#Soylent | Logs for 2016-03-27

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[23:58:13] <SirFinkus> I think it's defective
[23:58:06] <SirFinkus> always off time
[23:58:03] <SirFinkus> fucking metronome
[23:55:35] <Bytram> break time; biab
[23:54:10] <Bytram> miss him lots; is a good egg
[23:53:51] <Bytram> :(
[23:53:50] <crutchy> :p
[23:53:48] <Bytram> :9
[23:53:48] <crutchy> STILL WAITING!
[23:53:36] <exec> 03[2014-09-02 08:16:2] #Soylent <xlefay> I need to eat some and get some sleep. I'll tty'all later ;-) Take care!
[23:53:32] <crutchy> ~last nick=xlefay
[23:52:55] <crutchy> dammit. my coffee is cold :(
[23:50:34] <Bytram> now to update the template
[23:50:31] <Bytram> finally tracked down which template that icon was in: searchform;search;default
[23:47:59] <crutchy> theres a comment by uid 188 in this one, i was was around by then
[23:47:27] <DinduNuffin> ^ 03SN article:  The Internet's True Surveillance Potential 04(11 comments)
[23:47:26] <crutchy> https://soylentnews.org
[23:47:13] <Bytram> crutchy: interesting read; that was before the site had actually gone live!
[23:44:13] <crutchy> was before my time
[23:43:58] <crutchy> lol the highest uid for commenters in that story i linked was 52
[23:42:39] <crutchy> oh yeah
[23:42:24] <Bytram> and, if you were to click on it, it *lacks* the &op=stories&sort=2 part of the URL
[23:42:23] <crutchy> yeah i was wondering that before. that makes much clearer
[23:41:57] <Bytram> it appears to be the icon for whatever topic one had selected to search on
[23:41:55] <crutchy> yup
[23:41:17] <Bytram> on the right hand side (RHS) to the right of the place where one enters the search parameters is a red-20-sided-die
[23:40:36] <DinduNuffin> ^ 03Search Dev.SN
[23:40:34] <Bytram> https://dev.soylentnews.org
[23:40:15] * Bytram just found one place I missed
[23:40:13] <crutchy> ah the good ol days
[23:40:06] <DinduNuffin> ^ 03SN comment by [02CowboyTeal (15)] (02Score:3, Insightful)
[23:40:05] <crutchy> https://soylentnews.org
[23:39:56] <Bytram> lol
[23:39:51] <crutchy> and reading a story/comments from feb '14
[23:39:33] <crutchy> yummmm
[23:39:29] * crutchy is chowing down on ricebubble slice
[23:39:02] <Bytram> ;)
[23:39:00] <Bytram> want to go on an Easter Egg hunt and see if I missed any?
[23:38:38] <Bytram> and I want to make sure I found all theplaces.
[23:38:30] <Bytram> so, I've made changes on dev to support sorting by date (newest first) for the topics at the top of the screen on the main page, and when clicking on the icon next to a story
[23:37:39] <Bytram> so, sort by relevance, would be along the lines of which stories are the best match for the search parameters
[23:37:17] <crutchy> makes sense yeah lol
[23:36:58] <Bytram> bah, I messed that up, but I think you get the idea
[23:36:37] <Bytram> be more relevant ythan a story which only had one of them
[23:36:24] <Bytram> I would think
[23:36:22] <Bytram> but a story that has all of them would
[23:36:01] <Bytram> and there are no stories with all three key words
[23:35:47] <Bytram> imagine searching for: foo bar bazz
[23:35:28] <Bytram> danke!
[23:35:23] <exec> sed enabled for 10#Soylent
[23:35:21] <crutchy> ~sed on
[23:35:16] <crutchy> are stories associated with each other?
[23:35:10] * Bytram wonders where the sedbot is?
[23:35:04] <crutchy> tbh i'm not even sure what 'relevence' is
[23:35:01] <Bytram> s/posted/pasted/
[23:34:46] <Bytram> by default, in the code I just posted in, it appears that it is sorted by relevance by default
[23:34:33] <crutchy> maybe its cos i don't use topics, or i'm browsing as AC?
[23:34:10] <crutchy> looking through dates
[23:34:08] <Bytram> </select>
[23:34:08] <Bytram> <option value="3">Sort By Date (Oldest First)</option>
[23:34:08] <Bytram> <option value="2">Sort By Date (Most Recent First)</option>
[23:34:08] <Bytram> <option value="1" selected>Sort By Relevancy</option>
[23:34:08] <Bytram> <select id="sort" name="sort">
[23:34:04] <crutchy> but does appear to be chronological for me
[23:33:50] <crutchy> hmm actually default sorting is relevance yeah
[23:33:44] <Bytram> 'Sort By Relevance'
[23:33:25] <Bytram> and, the '&op=stories' says to look in stories (instead of comments, journals, etc.)
[23:33:17] <crutchy> (without a parameter)
[23:33:09] <crutchy> so default is sort=1 maybe?
[23:32:55] <Bytram> yes, that is what the '&sort=2' would activate
[23:32:31] <crutchy> might be more useful to have newst at the top
[23:32:17] <crutchy> oldest at the top
[23:32:03] <Bytram> huh?
[23:31:57] <crutchy> even without a sort parameter
[23:31:54] <Bytram> =)
[23:31:52] <Bytram> well, if I did things right, I've got it implemented on dev
[23:31:50] <DinduNuffin> ^ 03Search SoylentNews
[23:31:49] <crutchy> if i click on https://soylentnews.org i get chronological order it seems
[23:31:36] <Bytram> I would reckon that is a much more useful result than what one got before
[23:31:18] <Bytram> that was the intent
[23:31:10] <Bytram> bingo!
[23:30:58] <crutchy> seems to be chronological for me
[23:30:52] <DinduNuffin> ^ 03Search SoylentNews
[23:30:51] <Bytram> now, try this link, instead: https://soylentnews.org
[23:30:33] <Bytram> the order of the results appear to be random
[23:30:32] <crutchy> nod
[23:30:20] <Bytram> i more concerned with the "results* from clicking on one
[23:30:14] <crutchy> yeah that makes sense i guess
[23:29:57] <Bytram> yeah, I'm not so much concerned as to the *orientation* of the topic icons...
[23:29:50] <crutchy> and then when you go back to the home page it seems to change sometimes
[23:29:38] <crutchy> if i click on some topics the icon configuration doesn't change, but on some of them it does
[23:29:35] <Bytram> and, there's more topics than space to display them all, so I'd expect there's code to rotate through them over time
[23:29:02] <Bytram> that part i am not worried about; i can choose to [not] see different topics in my user preferences, so there's bound to be some variations
[23:28:49] <chromas> Total rewrite time
[23:28:47] <crutchy> (maybe just as AC)
[23:28:40] <crutchy> do they vary randomly or something?
[23:28:24] <crutchy> wtf. now if i go to the home page the news icon is on the left again
[23:28:22] <Bytram> ok, try clicking on it and note the order of the results
[23:27:56] <Bytram> nod nod
[23:27:52] <crutchy> is the news one
[23:27:49] <DinduNuffin> ^ 03Search SoylentNews
[23:27:48] <crutchy> https://soylentnews.org
[23:27:38] <Bytram> s/cht/ght/
[23:27:33] <Bytram> what URL does it offer? (richt click, copy URL)
[23:27:18] <Bytram> good good
[23:27:09] <Bytram> k
[23:27:01] <crutchy> on the home page though it shows digital liberty on the left
[23:26:50] <crutchy> if i click on technomics icon from the home page AC it shows the news icon on the left
[23:26:19] <Bytram> come to think of it, each user can, in their preferences [de]select topics of [non]interest
[23:26:10] <crutchy> oh wait it changed
[23:25:57] <Bytram> nod nod
[23:25:54] <crutchy> i'm AC atm
[23:25:54] <Bytram> and your URL?
[23:25:48] <Bytram> nod nod
[23:25:45] <Bytram> hmmm, so is different for each user; was wondering about that.
[23:25:44] <crutchy> with title attribute 'News'
[23:25:32] <Bytram> do you see something like that?
[23:25:30] <crutchy> first one for me is the newspaper one
[23:25:18] <DinduNuffin> ^ 03Search SoylentNews
[23:25:17] <Bytram> it's link is: https://soylentnews.org
[23:25:11] <Bytram> the first one, for me, is the 'Digital Liberty' one.
[23:24:50] <crutchy> yup
[23:24:46] <crutchy> i never use those
[23:24:40] <Bytram> crutchy: ^^^ do you see [any of] these?
[23:24:16] <Bytram> I see at the top, topic icons for 'Digital Liberty', 'Techonomics', '/dev/random', Software', and 'Science'
[23:23:09] <DinduNuffin> ^ 03SoylentNews: SoylentNews is people
[23:23:08] * Bytram hits Ctrl+F5 on https://soylentnews.org.
[23:22:49] <Bytram> on the main site,
[23:22:40] <Bytram> and it seems like it was missing a sort argument in the generated URL
[23:22:27] <Bytram> I took a quick look to reproduce
[23:22:17] <Bytram> the list that is displayed is not terribly useful
[23:22:11] <Bytram> but someone reported a problem that when they click on one...
[23:22:01] <Bytram> ordinarily, I have my settings so the site does NOT show me any topic icons...
[23:21:30] <Bytram> ;)
[23:21:26] <Bytram> merci, mein freund!
[23:21:10] <Bender> karma - bytram: 78
[23:21:10] <crutchy> Bytram++
[23:21:01] <crutchy> haha nice
[23:21:01] <Bytram> and I think I've got a site bug fixed.
[23:20:49] <Bytram> had a nice dinner with family and then a 90-minute nap...
[23:20:22] * Bytram is off today, too.
[23:20:17] <Bytram> days off is good!
[23:20:10] <Bytram> not bad at all
[23:20:08] <crutchy> not bad. got today off work
[23:20:05] <exec> 10Traralgon VIC - currently 57°F, mostly cloudy, wind E at 4 mph, humidity 68% - Monday cloudy (53°F:64°F), Tuesday cloudy (55°F:65°F), Wednesday cloudy (48°F:66°F), Thursday mostly sunny (51°F:73°F)
[23:20:03] <Bytram> ~weather crutchy
[23:19:57] <crutchy> noice
[23:19:49] <Bytram> crutchy: how's things?
[23:19:44] <Bytram> looks like we'll break into the 12xx's within about 6-7 hours or so
[23:19:20] <crutchy> Bytram, ahoy!
[23:18:17] <Bytram> crutchy: g'day, mate!
[23:17:30] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2397
[23:17:30] <crutchy> coffee++
[23:17:07] <Bytram> Sooo close!
[23:17:00] <exec> 071306
[23:16:58] <Bytram> ~folding-rank
[23:16:55] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6178, owned by Jorrit
[23:16:54] <Bytram> !uid
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[22:55:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Brussels Attacks Were Another Intelligence Community Failure, Not "Encryption Problem" - http://sylnt.us - The-Purloined-Letter
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[20:23:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Teacher who got Fired After Student Stole her Nude Pics Sues School District - http://sylnt.us - passwords-—-use-them
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[18:48:23] <DinduNuffin> ^ 03Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, LED LCD TV, Digital Cameras and more - Newegg.com ( http://www.newegg.com )
[18:48:22] <Runaway1956> Here there be monsters - although you probably don't need it - http://www.newegg.com
[18:46:50] <Runaway1956> NP
[18:45:53] <cmn32480> I'll catch up w/ you Runaway1956 thanks for the start of the advice
[18:45:03] <cmn32480> yer welcome
[18:45:01] <cmn32480> yep...
[18:44:52] <Runaway1956> go, wash your nasty ass - I thought I smelled something
[18:44:50] <cmn32480> rats.. just when the conversation was getting good
[18:44:40] <cmn32480> gotta head to the MIL's place shortly
[18:44:30] <cmn32480> my turn in the shower
[18:44:25] <cmn32480> ah shit.. I"m being paged
[18:44:19] <cmn32480> geepers
[18:44:12] * Runaway1956 has a 750 AND a 650 running his machine in tandem
[18:44:00] <cmn32480> looking at the PSU
[18:43:57] <cmn32480> that is the point I am at now.
[18:43:40] <Runaway1956> And, don't skimp on the power supply - my preference is Seasonic - I researched them pretty deep before I bought my first Seasonic
[18:43:36] <cmn32480> so most of the fans are unlpugged
[18:43:26] <cmn32480> the P4 doesn't require all that cooling
[18:42:55] <cmn32480> if I hook up the rest of the fans... I think it has 8(?)x80mm fan slots in the case
[18:42:25] <Runaway1956> Cool then
[18:42:18] <cmn32480> it is an old server tower that I have had for many years
[18:42:17] <Runaway1956> sounds like you might be prepared to run a Vishera
[18:41:59] <Runaway1956> And, her video card runs hot
[18:41:56] <Bender> karma - water_cooling: 1
[18:41:56] <chromas> water_cooling++
[18:41:50] <Runaway1956> The wife has a nice looking machine, but she can't cool her FX off
[18:41:48] <cmn32480> I have the tower...
[18:41:36] <Runaway1956> Be warned - choose a good tower with LOTS OF GODDAMNED COOLING!
[18:41:23] <cmn32480> FAR cheaper than the equivalent intel
[18:40:55] <Runaway1956> Ahhhh - okay then - the FX is good for that, and you're looking at a damned fine example of FX chips
[18:40:51] <cmn32480> hush chromas
[18:40:44] <chromas> you need at least $4000
[18:40:35] <cmn32480> within reason
[18:40:29] <cmn32480> I'd like to get back to games
[18:40:16] <Runaway1956> Desktop usage?
[18:40:03] <Runaway1956> What is your primary intent for the machine?
[18:39:54] <cmn32480> this is still in the specing stage
[18:39:48] <cmn32480> not yet
[18:39:28] <Runaway1956> Do you already have the mainboard?
[18:38:37] <Runaway1956> ATM I am only using 6 gig, which is really really strange, because I never had enough memory on more restricted boards
[18:38:02] <cmn32480> even games don't require that kind of memory w/ a decent video card
[18:37:50] <cmn32480> that's where I was headed too after thinking abotu it
[18:37:23] <Runaway1956> TBH 2x8 would be enough for all of my needs - I have 24 gig, and I NEVER use it all
[18:36:53] <Runaway1956> but you'll never get the bandwidth that you would get from four populated slots
[18:36:50] <cmn32480> either that or 2x8
[18:36:44] <cmn32480> yeah
[18:36:31] <Runaway1956> 2x16 would be adequate
[18:36:13] <Runaway1956> Right - you can't use all four at the same time, unless they've changed something
[18:36:13] <cmn32480> so I was thinking 2x16
[18:36:03] <cmn32480> the board I'm lookinga t supposrts up to 32G
[18:35:58] <Runaway1956> 8 cores are nice though
[18:35:41] <cmn32480> 4 slots, 2 at full speed, or 4 at some percentage of full speed
[18:35:35] <Runaway1956> That kinda sucks - you can't load it with memory - 4 gig was all that would fit into the one I played with
[18:35:16] <cmn32480> and it don't make sense to me
[18:35:05] <cmn32480> that's what I'm reading
[18:34:46] <Runaway1956> Look carefully at AM3+ - the one that I played with had four memory banks, but it could only use two, or the other two
[18:34:26] <cmn32480> last PC I built was 10 years ago I think
[18:34:11] <cmn32480> I also figu8red I could suck some knowledge out of you
[18:33:55] <cmn32480> the one I am looking at is AM3+
[18:33:42] <Runaway1956> My chips are old - you don't want them if you're building a serious machine - Socket F is old news
[18:33:37] <DinduNuffin> ^ 03Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, LED LCD TV, Digital Cameras and more - Newegg.com ( http://www.newegg.com )
[18:33:36] <cmn32480> I am leaning toward a http://www.newegg.com
[18:33:08] <cmn32480> fair 'nuff
[18:32:49] <Runaway1956> you want power, you go with power - you want gaming, you go with a gaming chip
[18:32:28] <Runaway1956> That's how I roll
[18:32:19] <cmn32480> server sized huh?
[18:31:58] <Runaway1956> Get an Opteron - fuck all those FX's and A thingies - Opterons rule
[18:31:34] <Runaway1956> fuck me running - AMD's are super
[18:31:32] <cmn32480> and if he wants to sleep he ought to do it at night like the rest of us
[18:31:09] <cmn32480> NO
[18:31:04] <Runaway1956> Stop shouting cmn32480 - can't a guy get any sleep around here?
[17:51:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google: First Amendment Doesn't Protect MPAA's Secrets - http://sylnt.us - can't-have-it-both-ways
[17:29:56] <exec> rank for crutchy: 4 - http://ix.io
[17:29:55] <crutchy> ~rps p
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[15:55:10] <Gravis_> so... i'm here for the knife party. ;)
[15:30:53] <chromas> time for an even more p2per news net
[15:19:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Police Raid Usenet Service, Arrest Operator, Seize Data - http://sylnt.us - all-your-data-are-belong-to-us
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[14:44:07] <cmn32480> Hoppy Easter everybody
[14:42:08] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2396
[14:42:08] <cmn32480> coffee++
[14:41:42] <cmn32480> Runaway1956 - you still 'round?
[14:30:57] * exec allegedly launches a plate of jingly keys toward fuckers
[14:30:55] <cmn32480> ~gday fuckers
[14:26:59] <Bytram|away> have a great day everyone!
[14:26:54] <Bytram|away> time for me to get going on my day
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[13:41:47] <Runaway1956> Hookers, hotel rooms and hooch sink U.S. Navy captain
[13:41:17] <DinduNuffin> ^ 03Capt. Daniel Dusek sentenced for trading secrets for booze, sex - CNN.com
[13:41:16] <Runaway1956> I've read a couple versions of this story - this title is kinda cute - http://edition.cnn.com
[13:35:31] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[13:35:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> almost done with ##weather for testbot but that's for another day.
[13:35:02] <Runaway1956> ~submit https://www.techdirt.com
[13:14:17] * exec ceremoniously cracks open a hugbox of young-earth creationism for Runaway1956
[13:14:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday Runaway1956
[13:14:05] <Runaway1956> 'mornin TMB
[13:13:54] <MrPlow> Reloaded
[13:13:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> #reload
[13:13:52] <Runaway1956> least
[13:13:49] <Runaway1956> leats
[13:13:47] <Runaway1956> Kurenai Tsubasa hasn't been doing much for a couple days at elast
[13:13:44] <Bytram> work unit 2016-03-23 20:04:48
[13:13:44] <Bytram> Date of last
[13:13:03] <Bytram> seems like Beldin65 is taking a break. :(
[13:12:47] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:12:30] <Runaway1956> It's take me a little longer, but I'm chasing him
[13:12:16] <Bytram> nice!
[13:12:02] <Runaway1956> cmn32480 will join the ranks of people with a million points in the next 24 - 48 hours
[13:11:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> excellent, testbot clocking in at 11MB. much, much better than MrPlow who's currently sucking up 63MB.
[13:10:26] <Runaway1956> Lookin' good
[13:09:07] <DinduNuffin> ^ 03Team Overtakes - EXTREME Overclocking Folding @ Home Stats
[13:09:06] <Bytram> http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com
[13:08:58] <Bytram> Runaway1956: yep, from the looks of things, by this time tomorrow we should be in the 12xx's !!
[13:07:31] <exec> 071307
[13:07:29] <Runaway1956> ~folding-rank
[13:05:14] <Bytram> yeah... me doesn't use twitter... not sure which link on cnet article brings up a photo with just Bernie+Birdie
[13:04:29] * chromas will vote for the Soylent Party
[13:03:50] <chromas> looks like trump in the bottom photo though
[12:58:16] <Bytram> https://pbs.twimg.com
[12:55:14] <DinduNuffin> ^ 03Bernie Sanders' bizarre bird encounter inspires new 'Birdie Sanders' memes - CNET ( http://www.cnet.com )
[12:55:13] <Bytram> http://feedproxy.google.com
[12:54:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine time
[12:54:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha! four lines of perl down to two
[12:52:51] <Bytram> lol
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[12:52:06] <chromas> transmit your data plus insult your enemies
[12:51:57] <chromas> it's slower, but the packets work for you
[12:51:22] <Bender> karma - pigeondroppings: -1
[12:51:22] <Bytram> pigeondroppings--
[12:51:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> bytram uses cpdp (carrier pigeon datagram protocol). it's like udp except it's the pigeons that might drop rather than the packets.
[12:50:09] <Bytram> recursion FTW
[12:49:46] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[12:49:42] <Bytram> much bettah
[12:49:33] <chromas> or the other way. just think, all your udp packets would get there if you ran them all over tcp!
[12:49:08] <chromas> let's invent tcp-over-udp
[12:48:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> SN? ya we could run the website entirely without udp
[12:48:33] <Bytram> sea: g'mornin
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[12:48:01] <Bytram> hmmm, NTP?
[12:47:48] <chromas> besides dns or something
[12:47:45] <chromas> does the site use udp for anything?
[12:47:39] * Bytram clicks linky
[12:47:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Once Again on TCP vs UDP - http://sylnt.us - could-this-site-run-without-both-of-them?
[12:47:10] <DinduNuffin> ^ 03hub · the command-line wrapper for git
[12:47:10] <chromas> https://hub.github.com
[12:47:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> four lines of perl to get two json values. would have taken 10x that of C and still wouldn't have been as exactly correct.
[12:46:12] * TheMightyBuzzard sighs in perl-y relief
[12:46:02] <chromas> i dunno; just did an aur search. /me looks for urls
[12:45:51] * Bytram just noticed his VM is not running.
[12:45:36] <Bytram> chromas: where are those located?
[12:45:12] * Bytram will be vewwy vewwy quiet
[12:44:55] <chromas> just don't tell your boss
[12:44:26] <Bytram> never fails; when I finally stop and think about something that is bugging me, I need only stop and think if maybe someone else has felt the same way and already done something about it!
[12:44:26] <chromas> some libs for python and stuff too
[12:43:59] <chromas> hub, legit, git-hub
[12:43:40] <chromas> looks like there's a few
[12:43:21] <Bytram> chromas: no, for the stuff that I need to do ON gihub to complete the stuff I do/did locally
[12:42:58] * Bytram hates mystery meat GUI navigation
[12:42:57] <chromas> like git?
[12:42:47] <Bytram> hmmm, I wonder if someone has come up with a CLI for github?
[12:42:27] <Bytram> neat
[12:42:19] <exec> 0250
[12:42:18] <exec> soylentnews.org/api.pl?m=user&op=get_user&uid=76
[12:42:16] <Bytram> ~api m=user op=get_user uid=76 /karma
[12:37:44] <exec> 0249
[12:37:44] <exec> soylentnews.org/api.pl?m=user&op=get_user&uid=18
[12:37:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~api m=user op=get_user uid=18 /karma
[12:37:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> bleh
[12:37:08] <exec> 02{"RTFM":"http://wiki.soylentnews.org/wiki/ApiDocs"}
[12:37:07] <exec> soylentnews.org/api.pl?m=user&op=get_info&uid=18
[12:37:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~api m=user op=get_info uid=18 /karma
[12:36:15] <exec> 071307
[12:36:13] <Bytram> ~folding-rank
[12:36:10] <Bytram> oh
[12:36:01] <Bytram> afk brb
[12:35:55] <Bytram> is too early for me to create an example of the problem that strict typing has helped me with, but suffice it to say that there are times I have found it useful; apparently your experience is different
[12:35:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> state vars are actually pretty interesting and useful. just not in things like rehash.
[12:35:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> my/our/state/local
[12:35:07] <Bytram> true
[12:34:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> though you generally wanna do my $foo = somefunction(); for first use or you're going to get into scoping issues. strict takes care of that for you.
[12:33:42] <Bender> karma - firstuseofvar: 1
[12:33:42] <Bytram> FirstUseOfVar++
[12:33:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> $foo = somefunction(); also legal
[12:33:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, thas legal
[12:33:16] <Bytram> FirstUseOfAVar = 0;
[12:33:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't think you can even do a my $foo = undef; $foo++;
[12:33:01] <Bytram> so, how do you initialize somehting the first time?
[12:32:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> checking that something exists before you do something with it, jes.
[12:32:19] <Bytram> so, there is checking going on, right?
[12:31:52] <Bytram> aha. and, what ahappens when you don't?
[12:31:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> might or might not otherwise.
[12:31:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg. i always use strict and use warnings.
[12:31:37] <Bytram> well, THAT is good to know
[12:31:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope. it would in fact bork mightily on a $typovar++
[12:31:02] <Bytram> or is that only when you do things like: use::strict or somesuch
[12:30:44] <Bytram> huh? perl does not assume a type/value on a first use of a var?
[12:30:16] <Bytram> when it is available, I do prefer to have strong typing, but I have made extensive use of languages without it; witness the many KLOCs of AWK I've written
[12:29:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> yet it would also be picked up by perl which does not have strong typing.
[12:29:14] <Bytram> fooo, having not been declared, would fail any type checking
[12:29:00] * TheMightyBuzzard weighs Bytram against a duck
[12:28:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> heretic!
[12:28:27] <Bytram> =)
[12:28:24] <Bytram> emacs
[12:28:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> and what are these IDEs you speak of?
[12:28:15] <chromas> One thing we can all agree on: case-sensitive languages do suck ;)
[12:27:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh bleh, that's not typing. that's initialization.
[12:27:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you say foo++ on something, you should know what you're ++-ing or not do it. you must grok the code before you write the code.
[12:27:28] <Bytram> if I intended to do: foo++ the above typo would be caught by, e.g., the compiler (or IDE) as a mistake before it ever got to the point of getting executed
[12:26:37] <Bytram> if I do, say, fooo++ and it has not already been defined/initialized, then a weakly-typed language (e.g. AWK) will assume it's 0, and just go on from there.
[12:26:14] * MrPlow smakes allofthebots upside the head with seats and a steering wheel
[12:26:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake allofthebots
[12:25:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/you/ME/
[12:25:21] <Bytram> disagree
[12:24:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> strong typing don't help you find bugs except the ones it introduces.
[12:24:28] <Bytram> I prefer to find mistakes as early in the process as possible
[12:23:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> all of em.
[12:23:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> and like 90% of my coding bugs are typos.
[12:23:44] <Bytram> yeah, but how many things do you discover at runtime that could have been found earlier?
[12:23:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't be, i get by fine with it.
[12:23:00] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: weak typing is for those who never make typos
[12:22:32] * Bytram tested a cobol compiler and a couple of case tools for cobol
[12:22:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> strong typing is for people who can't remember what they're doing
[12:22:20] <Bytram> well, COBOL may be verbose, but it is really good at what it was designed for... i.e. is pretty much a verbose assembler in some respects
[12:21:42] <chromas> I hope it's unsigned, for maximum impact
[12:21:23] * MrPlow smakes Bytram upside the head with a long int
[12:21:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake Bytram a long int
[12:21:03] <chromas> well cobol's still around. surely some pascal's still out there, running aol or whatever
[12:20:52] <Bender> karma - strongtyping: 1
[12:20:52] <Bytram> strongtyping++
[12:20:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> it was fairly big back in the bbs days though
[12:20:37] * Bytram once worked on a database abstraction project (mid 80's) that was written in pascal.
[12:20:07] <chromas> or just maintain it. whatever
[12:20:07] <Bytram> ROFL!
[12:20:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> i haven't seen pascal used seriously in twenty years
[12:20:02] <chromas> delphi :D
[12:19:54] <Bytram> what would you modernize it to?
[12:19:20] * chromas wonders if he can find an old pascal project to modernizes for cash
[12:19:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> good good
[12:18:51] <Bytram> howaboutthat -- looks like I can use named character entities in the dept line
[12:18:39] <chromas> Yeah, I used Pascal. It was hip once
[12:18:18] <chromas> "shit" has also diversified its part-of-speech portfolio
[12:18:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, you can dig him if you like. ain't gonna lower my opinion of you on account of you didn't write your bot in perl or C.
[12:17:35] <Bytram> I recall the first time I heard his monologue on how many different parts of speech could be covered by the word 'fuck'... and it was on the radio!
[12:16:57] * chromas changes his opinion to fit in
[12:15:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> never liked his hippy ass but the man gave good curse word
[12:15:53] <chromas> seven dirty words you must exclaim when you get hammered
[12:15:06] <chromas> he was the best george
[12:14:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> me, i always sounded like george carlin
[12:14:00] * chromas imagines an effeminate "oh, zeus!"
[12:13:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> you gotta break out at least four invectives for a good thumb smash.
[12:13:35] <chromas> probably the name of another deity they didn't believe in at the time
[12:13:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'not emphatic enough. take it from a guy who's done it many times.
[12:12:42] <Bytram> lol
[12:12:32] <chromas> shalom
[12:12:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> which always made me wonder, what'd he say when he hit his thumb with a hammer?
[12:11:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, he was a carpenter up until his 30s when he went on his escapades.
[12:11:24] <chromas> a hippy jew. kinda redundant when you think about it
[12:11:04] <chromas> hey now, it's carpenter's son. I don't think he ever had a job
[12:10:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i don't worship the carpenter. i worship groundskeeper willy.
[12:10:11] <Bytram> those are fun; sure beats the old mechanical hand trimmers
[12:09:58] <chromas> you're supposed to eat chocolate and hunt for ova
[12:09:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, it's a holiday. it's shiny-new-weedeater day.
[12:08:52] <Bytram> chromas: I suspected as much, but there's so many here I sometimes forgets whose is what.
[12:08:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, yeah that'd be my situation on testbot for the moment as well.
[12:08:30] <chromas> there is, but I'm too lazy to work on it
[12:08:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i just figured there's gotta be SOMETHING wrong with it. s'usually the case.
[12:07:45] * chromas suspects TheMightyBuzzard was off by one ;)
[12:07:37] <chromas> mine
[12:07:25] <Bytram> which bot
[12:07:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'pretty bad when yer allergic to your deity
[12:07:14] * chromas wonders what's wrong wit da bot
[12:06:59] * Bytram seems to recall some (ecclesiastical) discussion with some attempts to replace wheat wafer with rice
[12:06:17] <Bytram> is enough trouble for some who suffer from ciliac disease and just the small amount of wheat ina single communion wafer can be debilitatingly painful
[12:05:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> jelly then
[12:05:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> doesn't need to be mystical. just needs to taste better'n unleavened bread.
[12:05:33] <Bytram> allergies
[12:05:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> they really should add some peanut butter to the bread or something.
[12:04:47] <Bytram> *transubstantiated ?? trans-somethin-somethin
[12:03:28] <Bytram> hrmmm, spose it is, now that ou mention it. I was thinking it meant his blood, but then again, the bread & whine are thought by some to be transubstitued into body/blood, so you got that, too.
[12:02:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm down with da booze.
[12:02:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'all good. jesus juice is wine ain't it?
[12:02:16] <Bytram> urg. sry 'bout that
[12:02:04] * exec romantically embiggens a dogbox of jesus juice with TheMightyBuzzard
[12:02:02] <Bytram> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[12:01:56] <Bytram> wow, a WHOLE thingy? yowza!
[12:01:39] * exec faithfully blows a thingy of hot wings at Bytram
[12:01:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday Bytram
[12:01:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, you ain't wrong
[12:00:00] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: yeah, your ISP's site does not deal too well with noscript, either; I love this bit of text: "Your Custom Text Here"
[11:59:26] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6178, owned by Jorrit
[11:59:26] <Bytram> !uid
[11:59:23] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2395
[11:59:23] <Bytram> coffee++
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[11:39:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine time
[11:37:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause i could use some cash.
[11:37:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> they need to pay someone with more of a clue about looking professional than whoever built that shit. thinking that someone needs to be me.
[11:36:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas my isp. looks like an eighth grader made it back in the 90s. it's damned near geocities-ized
[11:35:40] <DinduNuffin> ^ 03Click1.net
[11:35:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, lookit this shat http://click1.net
[11:35:13] <fliptop> heh
[11:35:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, we may be showoffs but we're generally not into posing.
[11:34:25] <fliptop> enjoy. i see a lot of buzzards but posing like that is a 1st
[11:33:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> gracias. no complaints here.
[11:33:25] <fliptop> do w/ it what you want, he was facing the breeze, might've been better had he turned around
[11:32:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> sweet. gonna hafta make an avatar pic out of it.
[11:32:29] <fliptop> he was perched up there preening for about 10 minutes, then he spread his wings for like 10 minutes
[11:31:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> outstandin
[11:31:33] <fliptop> http://www.peacecomputers.com
[11:31:22] <Bender> karma - driving: -5
[11:31:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> driving--
[11:31:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, was on the road all day.
[11:30:20] <fliptop> TheMightyBuzzard: good morning, did you happen to see the pic i posted for you yesterday?
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[11:21:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> my new favorite song for the day
[11:20:31] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[11:20:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> #youtube kid rock foad
[11:16:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> not sure how it's broken, mind you, it's just a safe assumption that it's doing something wonky =P
[11:16:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, fix your bot.
[11:11:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> blerg, package file cache is eating up too many gigs on / again but i got some packages i want saved
[11:08:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> mind you i'm living in TN, where there's more churches per-capita than convenience stores.
[11:06:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> also going to use said weedeater today on account of the yard looks like it could hide a pygmy tribe after that week long vacation.
[11:05:40] <crutchy> praise jebus!
[11:05:16] <crutchy> i'm not christian either. its just an excuse for a couple of days off :p
[11:05:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> am celebrating by going to home depot and buying the biggest damned weedeater i can afford.
[11:03:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> different holiday for me since i'm not a christian. it's new-weedeater-day instead.
[11:02:47] * crutchy wants what that bot is smoking
[11:02:22] * exec dexterously piles an amulet of kryptonite watermelon on crutchy
[11:02:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday crutchy
[11:01:53] <crutchy> happy easter focker!
[11:01:42] <exec> Sunday, 27 March 2016 @ 6:01 am CDT - Humboldt, TN 38343, USA
[11:01:40] <crutchy> ~time TheMightyBuzzard
[11:01:17] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2394
[11:01:17] <crutchy> coffee++
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[10:26:11] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2393
[10:26:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
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[06:45:47] <chromas> Dindu Nuffin
[06:44:47] <chromas> urban youths
[06:44:45] <chromas> integrating into urban society
[06:41:31] <NetCraft> ^ 03Vehicles set ablaze for 2nd night amid riots in Stockholm suburb (VIDEO) — RT News ( https://www.rt.com )
[06:41:30] <Runaway1956> Muslims integrating into Western society - https://www.rt.com
[05:11:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - You Can Thank Diverse Yeasts for That Coffee and Chocolate - http://sylnt.us - the-brown-liquid-of-life
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[02:50:57] <NetCraft> ^ 03VNC Roulette
[02:50:56] <SirFinkus> http://vncroulette.com
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[02:44:23] <sea> yup yup! you as well cmn32480
[02:44:06] * exec democratically embiggens an exabyte of iron filings with #soylent
[02:44:05] <cmn32480> ~gnight #soylent
[02:43:52] <cmn32480> good tlaking wiht you sea
[02:43:28] <cmn32480> allright kids... my turn to head for bed
[02:42:34] <cmn32480> very cool
[02:41:47] <sea> I've been trying to build a 'tree-like' version of this, with checkpointing and so on, but all connected up (so, with lots of loops), so that I can then hook it up to a microphone and have it react to the music in realtime, simply by branching along the recorded paths and re-joining later.
[02:40:20] <sea> Right, there we go. Re-uploaded the longer version
[02:39:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hyperloop Could Debut in Europe Instead of California - http://sylnt.us - faster-than-a-speeding-bullet-train
[02:39:31] <sea> Oh, this one is the 28 second one. The latest full one is somewhere around here
[02:39:03] <sea> Yeah, a bit like that. This particular one still has a few bugs in it. I've been trying to figure something out related to it
[02:38:53] <cmn32480> nifty
[02:38:43] <SirFinkus> reminds me of electric sheep
[02:38:26] <sea> This is what I put the cluster up to usually. It generates videos like this. What do I do with these? I set them as the desktop background with mplayer -rootwin. It looks really cool and scify-ish. (Try it! You can keep that video!)
[02:37:54] <sea> Check this out, I have this video.. https://oceanic.space
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[02:37:37] <cmn32480> the head of our IT dept (me) said it was ok
[02:37:29] <cmn32480> pair of quad core Xeon
[02:36:52] <cmn32480> I have a test server that I've been folding on
[02:36:36] <sea> lol, I have been using the little cluster for nonsense for a while now anyway.
[02:35:43] <cmn32480> basically that makes me the head nerd for all the support techs, field techs, wireless survey adn installers, and master of our internal IT
[02:35:27] <SirFinkus> re: folding
[02:35:24] <SirFinkus> so it sea, we could use the points
[02:34:33] <cmn32480> (for a MUCH smaller company than where you work)
[02:34:22] <cmn32480> I'm Director of Professional Services
[02:34:07] <cmn32480> Nicee
[02:33:23] <sea> I'm "Director of Software Development". If I see something that bugs me for any reason, I get rid of it. I tripped over a wire last week and spilled my coffee. The whole office was offline that day, because I had them rewire the whole room to get that wire away from my feet.
[02:31:15] <cmn32480> god... I can't even get them to throw out the cheap stuff
[02:31:12] <sea> We had a huge 20+ inch screen Mac on the desk. It had linux on it, but it had some kind of odd bugs with the keyboard input, USB interface, and NIC. They were 'flaky'. I hated it. Anyway, one day I told it to reboot. It went down and didn't come back up, it got stuck on some boot script that was waiting on the hardware. I sent it to the store room.
[02:29:35] <sea> I actually have a very nice reputation in the office for throwing out the expensive stuff.
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[02:27:54] <Bytram> makes sense to me
[02:27:40] <sea> So I threw it out one day, set up a script to ffmpeg grab the videos and write hourly videos to an external drive, and when it was almost full, it writes them to the secondary drive. You swap the primary/secondary when it prompts you to.
[02:27:27] <Bytram> networked?
[02:27:24] <cmn32480> NOtverygood
[02:27:12] <Bytram> what does the 'N' in 'NVR' stand for?
[02:27:02] <Bytram> interesting
[02:26:44] <sea> A freaking ridiculously overexpensive piece of shit. All it does, seriously, is record live video to a RAID array. We already HAVE a RAID drive. The only thing that NVR ever did was piss us off with being incompatible with everything else
[02:26:31] <cmn32480> generally used for security cams
[02:26:22] <Bytram> not very recent computer
[02:26:14] <Bytram> non volatile recorder?
[02:26:12] <cmn32480> video recorder
[02:26:06] <Bytram> nvr?
[02:26:04] <cmn32480> that must have been a big NVR
[02:25:52] <sea> An NVR.
[02:25:45] <Bytram> ummm, if I may ask, what kind of hardware goes for $30k and can get thrown away like that?
[02:25:41] <cmn32480> if you do or do not obtain that permission, is up to you. :-)
[02:25:23] <cmn32480> officially, the folding riles are that to run it on a work computer, you need permission.
[02:25:04] <cmn32480> I'm going to repeat what I said "Don't get yourself in trouble."
[02:24:32] <sea> They let me get away with that so I'm pretty sure I'm invincible
[02:24:20] <sea> Ha! Trouble? Me? I threw out a $30,000 piece of hardware the other day because I was pissed off at it. I replaced it with a ~10 line lisp program.
[02:23:01] <cmn32480> don't get yourself in trouble
[02:22:28] <sea> I think it has..uhh.. 2 computers in it.
[02:21:44] <cmn32480> depends on the size fo the cluster....
[02:21:15] <sea> Hmm.. we have a cluster at work that's sitting idle this weekend. What would happen to the FOLDING stats if I just loaded up folding@home on it for the soylent team?
[01:56:47] <Bytram> k; thanks for hte info
[01:55:07] <cmn32480> that UID submitted a Soylvertisement that I sent to the bin
[01:53:54] <exec> 071316
[01:53:53] <Bytram> ~folding-rank
[01:53:09] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6177, owned by SpotCam
[01:53:08] <Bytram> !uid
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[00:50:07] <takyon> seems I always catch Ethanol-fueled at the tail end of his sobriety
[00:49:29] <takyon> m8
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[00:48:35] <takyon> I am already beginning to write my 2nd annual 4/20 longpost
[00:39:09] <Ethanol-fueled> true.
[00:38:25] <SirFinkus> I think metalworking is easier, because you can undo mistakes
[00:38:11] <Bender> karma - woodworking: 2
[00:38:11] <Ethanol-fueled> woodworking++
[00:37:01] <SirFinkus> the woodworking is what would fuck me
[00:36:25] <Ethanol-fueled> Hey, you admitted to coil-tapping.
[00:36:24] <SirFinkus> maybe if I could just cnc everything
[00:35:53] <SirFinkus> I could never build my own guitar, I was always shitty at woodshop
[00:35:08] <Ethanol-fueled> Brian May made coil-tapping a core tenet of his axe description.
[00:34:25] <SirFinkus> lolno
[00:34:18] <Ethanol-fueled> You gotta be a pretty smart guy to coil-tap.
[00:33:42] <SirFinkus> I do because I have one guitar with one humbucker, and wanted a single coil sound
[00:33:04] <Ethanol-fueled> Who in the history of guitar playing plays coil-tapped?
[00:32:36] <Ethanol-fueled> fuckin' hipster.
[00:32:29] <Ethanol-fueled> > coil tapped
[00:32:17] <SirFinkus> most of the time I play my guitar coil tapped anyway
[00:32:00] <NetCraft> ^ 03Albert Collins And The Icebreakers 1983 In Concert - YouTube
[00:31:59] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[00:31:23] <Ethanol-fueled> dual humbuckers or die.
[00:30:53] <SirFinkus> I want twang and hum
[00:30:38] <Ethanol-fueled> have fun with your twangy hummy hipster-axe.
[00:30:21] <Ethanol-fueled> HAHHAHAHAHAHA
[00:30:11] <SirFinkus> oh, forgot to tell you, seriously considering getting a telecaster
[00:29:57] <SirFinkus> no shit
[00:27:21] <Ethanol-fueled> MEDIA is DUMB, DUMB, dumb.
[00:21:47] <NetCraft> ^ 03Wiki: Leviathan (book) ( https://en.wikipedia.org )
[00:21:47] <Ethanol-fueled> https://en.wikipedia.org
[00:19:42] <NetCraft> ^ 03FSX Multiplayer Trolling: Clueless 747 Pilot Crashes MULTIPLE Times (Steam Edition) - YouTube
[00:19:40] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[00:15:51] <takyon> hbhkkbhbjk
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[00:07:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - CGI Released of a Man Who Lived in Roman Britain - http://sylnt.us - roman-the-town-with-the-old-ones
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[00:06:16] <Ethanol-fueled> !chimpout
[00:06:16] <LaDarius> Ey! Can a brotha getta light fo' 'dis blizzie?
[00:06:02] <chromas> hmm, that's also why the cops haven't shown up
[00:05:51] <chromas> the channel doesn't have any windows to break or televisions to steal
[00:05:38] <Ethanol-fueled> !CHIMPOUT
[00:05:29] <Ethanol-fueled> ! chimpout
[00:05:22] <Ethanol-fueled> !chimpout
[00:05:18] <chromas> "This…is a nigga moment"
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[00:04:38] <Ethanol-fueled> There are some awesome brawls and chimpouts
[00:03:58] <Ethanol-fueled> worldstarhiphop.com rocks. I don't give a fuck about what you detractors have to say, it fucking rocks.
[00:03:24] <exec> [urbandictionary] 03Worldstar: First thing out someone's mouth when shit is about to go down. Usually shouted when a fight breaks out. Guaranteed to see at least one titty and a KO. Originates from worldstarhiphop.com (a popula...
[00:03:24] <chromas> ~define worldstar
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[00:01:08] <Ethanol-fueled> *BOOM*
[00:01:00] <Ethanol-fueled> You, motherfucker. *click click*
[00:00:46] <LaDarius> The fucc you starin' at, White boy?