#Soylent | Logs for 2016-03-01

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[00:00:43] <AndyTheAbsurd> ... Zero pending stories?
[00:01:53] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[00:02:35] <Bytram> !uid
[00:02:35] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6136, owned by skjgeek
[00:05:02] <julian_> Prime number coming up, 6143
[00:08:53] <julian_> I suppose technically there's always another one coming up
[00:10:53] <Bytram> here's the next few:
[00:10:54] <Bytram> 6143 6151 6163 6173 6197 6199 6203 6211 6217 6221
[00:10:54] <Bytram> 6229 6247 6257 6263 6269 6271 6277 6287 6299 6301
[00:10:54] <Bytram> 6311 6317 6323 6329 6337 6343 6353 6359 6361 6367
[00:10:54] <Bytram> 6373 6379 6389 6397 6421 6427 6449 6451 6469 6473
[00:14:37] <paulej72> what was the last one?
[00:15:40] <cmn32480> 3
[00:16:09] <Bytram> http://arstechnica.com
[00:16:10] <NotAnymore> ^ 03Apple prevails in forced iPhone unlock case in New York court | Ars Technica
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[00:18:21] <julian_> I'm going to grab that twin prime 6359/6361 and hold on to it for selling on Ebay in ten years
[00:18:49] <Bytram> note: this is a *different* case from the San Bernardino case in California
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[00:27:02] <takyon> are one of you subbing the apple story?
[00:30:09] <takyon> i'll take that as a no
[00:30:17] <Bytram> go for it!
[00:30:17] <takyon> i'll throw a sloppy sub sandwich in the line
[00:30:43] <Bytram> will it be a substantial sub sandwich?
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[00:35:05] <Bytram> ~folding-rank 28
[00:35:07] <exec> 072656
[00:35:20] <Bytram> !woohoo
[00:37:27] <takyon> subbed
[00:37:39] <paulej72> snubbed
[00:38:37] <Bytram> takyon++
[00:38:37] <Bender> karma - takyon: 22
[00:38:44] <takyon> :(
[00:39:20] <Bytram> takyon++
[00:39:20] <Bender> karma - takyon: 23
[00:39:32] <takyon> :>
[00:49:57] <Bytram> =)
[00:50:08] <Bytram> time to make dinner... biab
[01:08:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Report Advocates "Centaur" Warfare, Cites Dangers of Autonomous Weapons - http://sylnt.us - half-artificial-half-intelligent
[01:57:15] <Bytram> break time; biab
[02:04:30] <Bytram> bakd
[02:04:37] <Bytram> ugh. back
[02:10:40] <paulej72> baked not fried
[02:17:32] <Bytram> half-baked vs stir-fried
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[02:39:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google Self-Driving Car Causes (Slow) Crash - http://sylnt.us - things-that-go-bump-in-the-day
[02:51:47] <Tramtrist> slow crash
[02:51:51] <Tramtrist> like the economy
[02:52:00] <cmn32480> no.. that's a jobless recovery
[02:55:49] <Tramtrist> bada bing
[03:15:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, the economy crashed FAST. 2008-2009 was like economically taking repeated nut kicks every other day.
[03:27:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> and right up till 2010 looks like. http://data.bls.gov Lost sumpin like 17-18 million jobs in BHO's first two years. have gained back less than a quarter of that.
[03:27:16] <NotAnymore> ^ 03Bureau of Labor Statistics Data
[03:28:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, first year. stupid off by one brain error
[03:28:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like about a third of it was under lame duck bush.
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[03:33:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> 8008135++
[03:33:51] <Bender> karma - 8008135: 35
[03:40:32] <Bytram> ~folding-rank 29
[03:40:34] <exec> 072635
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[04:19:58] <cmn32480> ~gnight #soylent
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[04:41:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New York Judge Sides with Apple Rather than FBI in Dispute over a Locked iPhone - http://sylnt.us - waiting-for-All-Writs-Act,-Act-2
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[06:12:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Detroit Woman Injured, Humiliated after Security Guard Mistook Her for a Man - http://sylnt.us - X-Y-XX-XY-XYY-XXYY-XXX-XXXX-XXXXX-FOXL
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[06:29:48] * arti enhances the splines
[06:30:05] <SirFinkus> long time no see arti
[06:30:47] <arti> lurking in the shadows
[06:31:04] <arti> i've not jacked into the #soylent matrix in awhile
[06:31:11] <arti> so i've got that going for me
[06:31:41] <arti> how are you?
[06:31:49] <SirFinkus> pretty good
[06:31:51] * arti offers cheese
[06:32:10] <arti> you can manipulate the properties until it resembles your preference
[06:32:24] <arti> javascript cheese
[06:36:28] <SirFinkus> I'm already full of steak, beer, and potatos
[06:37:10] <Tramtrist> nice
[06:42:27] <arti> patatas
[06:42:35] <arti> pataytas
[06:47:56] <SirFinkus> "The form of political organization found in the area can thus best be termed the polycephalous associational state."
[06:48:04] <SirFinkus> god damn, that one's not even in my dictionary
[06:48:47] <arti> pretty good.
[06:48:50] * arti jazz claps
[06:50:57] <SirFinkus> "The two women were classificatory sisters." that's hot
[06:51:11] <arti> what are you reading?
[06:51:24] <SirFinkus> some homework crap
[06:51:24] <arti> i'll trade you a used napkin for the link
[06:51:45] <arti> it's pretty quality, it'll enhance your collection
[06:52:10] <arti> do you do people's schoolwork for profit?
[06:52:18] <SirFinkus> no
[06:52:22] <arti> for charity
[06:52:25] <SirFinkus> well, I do my own for my own profit
[06:52:26] <arti> are you not a people
[06:52:53] * arti scans for equestrian particles
[06:54:18] <crutchy> SirFinkus, the folding team ranking is getting better gradually
[06:54:43] <crutchy> my work pyewta was running full all day cos i was out of the office chasing quotes
[06:55:45] <SirFinkus> yeah, I've noticed we've gotten a big bump
[06:55:48] <SirFinkus> thanks for your efforts
[06:56:23] <arti> chasing quotes eh
[06:56:39] <SirFinkus> I've been a bit remiss because I've been playing games too much
[06:56:42] <arti> you gotta sneak up on them and throw your shoe
[06:56:45] <crutchy> g'day arti
[06:56:49] <arti> g'day
[06:56:52] * arti wakes up early now
[06:56:54] <crutchy> yeah i dunno if that's the correct term for it
[06:57:00] <arti> "whip"
[06:57:08] <crutchy> maybe investigating jobs would be a better word for it
[06:57:35] <arti> it's good, your salesspeak and analysis module is performant
[06:57:42] <crutchy> sort of chasing work i guess
[06:57:59] <arti> chasing amy
[06:58:09] <arti> http://imgur.com
[06:58:10] <NotAnymore> ^ 03In honour of the upcoming ' Thanks Satan ' holiday... - Album on Imgur
[06:58:20] * SirFinkus is making a mistake right now
[06:58:21] * arti enjoys these greatly
[06:58:27] <crutchy> unfortunately the prospective clients aren't very good looking. their usually blokes in overalls
[06:58:29] <arti> something i'd imagine bart simpson doing
[06:58:42] <arti> crutchy gives better deals to attractive people
[06:58:54] <SirFinkus> " The mediator may fine anyone who speaks out of turn by requiring them to bring some rum for the group to drink." I wish our legal system was like this
[06:59:00] <SirFinkus> although it seems counterproductive
[06:59:03] <crutchy> haha. maybe they should add that to the quote proforma
[06:59:41] <arti> http://i.imgur.com
[06:59:50] * crutchy isn't a big fan of rum, bnut rum-based justice might just work
[06:59:58] <SirFinkus> "The losing party is also lightly 'fined'; he must present rum or beer to the mediator and the others who heard the case. This is consumed by all in attendance. "
[07:00:13] <arti> how about ejecting the bottle at them at a high velocity
[07:00:32] <crutchy> if you force people to forgoe their rum, they might be less inclined to reoffend
[07:00:35] * Subsentient farts
[07:00:45] <arti> the sailors would get a ration
[07:01:00] * Subsentient rations out the stench of his juicy wet fart
[07:01:13] <arti> you're secretly just a fart
[07:01:19] <arti> like bono but fart
[07:01:26] * crutchy gives his ration to aqu4
[07:01:31] <Subsentient> Nah, I'm secretly the rat hiding under your seat. Don't look.
[07:01:42] <arti> the force awakens: 4 rations
[07:02:01] <Subsentient> My mom's double knee replacement surgery was successful.
[07:02:01] <crutchy> that chick in force awakens. 6 rations
[07:02:15] <Subsentient> She gets to tell people that she got her knees done on February 29th.
[07:02:24] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[07:02:25] <NotAnymore> ^ 03How a Plumbus is Made (Rick and Morty) - YouTube
[07:02:43] <arti> did she get new plumbis joints?
[07:03:11] <arti> i'm pleased to hear your parental program is operating well
[07:04:12] <Subsentient> Yeah, glad she didn't have a segfault.
[07:05:09] <Subsentient> arti: We found the best surgeon her insurance would pay for, and she's got new metal-on-plastic knees.
[07:05:46] <crutchy> as long as she doesn't become sentient we'll be safe
[07:06:00] <crutchy> otherwise we might need john connor
[07:06:51] <arti> with living tissue over plastic and metal endoskeleton
[07:06:52] <arti> ?
[07:07:10] <Subsentient> arti: Yeah I think something like that ^^
[07:09:23] <arti> http://i.imgur.com
[07:12:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A(nother) Programming Language for Games - http://sylnt.us - have-fun
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[08:11:46] <Gravis> take it back, take it back now! https://soylentnews.org
[08:11:47] <NotAnymore> ^ 03SN article: Detroit Woman Injured, Humiliated after Security Guard Mistook Her for a Man 04(30 comments)
[08:11:59] <Gravis> nobody wants that shit
[08:17:36] <crutchy> meh
[08:17:53] <crutchy> can't please everyone all of the time
[08:18:57] <crutchy> it gets people talking and thinking
[08:19:22] <crutchy> i personally feel sorry for the woman, if it did in fact happen to her like that
[08:20:03] <crutchy> but i'm by no means a feminist. that sort of thing likely happens to guys all the time
[08:20:11] <crutchy> doesn't make it right though
[08:44:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Surge Pricing Arrives in Disney's Magic Kingdom - http://sylnt.us - it's-getting-harder-to-take-it-easy
[09:23:42] <Subsentient> $burrito crutchy
[09:23:42] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at crutchy
[09:23:49] * Subsentient is bored, so the burritos start flying
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[11:15:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:15:00] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2307
[11:16:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Kids Are Facing Criminal Charges for Using Emoji - http://sylnt.us - it's-just-your-emoji-nation
[11:16:27] <crutchy> doritos_n_softdrink++
[11:16:27] <Bender> karma - doritos_n_softdrink: 1
[11:17:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~g'mornin crutchy
[11:17:24] * exec clumsily throws my butt of CoC at crutchy
[11:17:31] <crutchy> ahoy!
[11:17:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> hows life upside down treatin yas?
[11:17:59] <crutchy> fkin warm today
[11:18:01] <crutchy> ~weather
[11:18:03] <exec> 04Traralgon VIC - currently 24°C, partly cloudy, wind SE at 8 km/h, humidity 55% - Tuesday partly cloudy (17°C:36°C), Wednesday mostly sunny (16°C:36°C), Thursday partly cloudy (16°C:30°C), Friday partly cloudy (18°C:34°C)
[11:18:19] <crutchy> hmm. apparently only got to 36
[11:18:26] <crutchy> out in the sun it was warm
[11:18:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> #weather Traralgon, australia
[11:18:33] <MrPlow> Today: Partly cloudy. Lows overnight in the low 60s. Tomorrow: Generally sunny. High 98F. Winds WNW at 10 to 15 mph.
[11:18:36] <crutchy> crawling around steam vessels
[11:18:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, bout 20F warmer than here
[11:19:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> been a damned nice week for February
[11:38:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> aright, botly is serving up weather. just not saving locations yet.
[11:39:23] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[11:39:24] <NotAnymore> ^ 03John Oliver Destroys Donald Trump (Full Segment) February 28th 2016 - YouTube
[11:40:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> too early for politics. need moar coffee n nicotine.
[11:52:01] <crutchy> haha donald drumpf
[11:58:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> mkay, gotta create myself a db for locations. can't help thinking db stuff would be a lot lighter weight written in C but i don't wanna hafta write XSUB stuff to call C functions from perl.
[11:59:12] <crutchy> exec just uses a flat delimited file
[11:59:24] <crutchy> not the best probably, but seems to work :p
[11:59:55] <crutchy> can also use buckets, but they are volatile
[12:00:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, prolly be lighter weight.
[12:00:22] <crutchy> i'm starting to really dig json
[12:00:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> well all of perl is volatile in this bot. can reload the whole interpreter.
[12:00:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, much easier to parse and even read than xml
[12:00:55] <crutchy> problem with a volatile db is if your bot bricks your db goes down too
[12:01:10] <crutchy> (well in exec's buckets anyway)
[12:01:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, db is just sqlite for me. i could almost certainly do it in C easily but then i'd hafta write XSUB code to be able to call C functions from within the perl interpreter.
[12:02:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> and man, XSUB code is a huge pain to write.
[12:03:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> the easy ones like #bnk and #socialist i'm prolly gonna move over to C though just to save a bit extra ram
[12:04:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> #bnk
[12:04:05] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[12:05:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> that never gets old
[12:06:01] <crutchy> i can't access it
[12:07:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> man that's just sad
[12:08:01] <crutchy> you using perlembed?
[12:08:59] <crutchy> hmm. looks like the one i found is perl5
[12:09:59] <crutchy> would be handy if you could just do inline C in your perl code
[12:10:09] <crutchy> kinda like an asm block in delphi
[12:10:52] <crutchy> anyway, bed time for me
[12:10:55] <crutchy> haf fun
[12:12:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> nite man
[12:16:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Human-Animal Chimeras are Gestating on U.S. Research Farms - http://sylnt.us - things-are-not-always-what-they-seem
[12:26:01] <cmn32480> ~gday #soylent
[12:26:03] * exec abnormally hurls a tinfoil hat of dag at #soylent
[12:29:21] <cmn32480> coffee++
[12:29:21] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2308
[12:36:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> i like dags. i like coffee++ more.
[12:44:55] <cmn32480> ~g dag
[12:44:57] <exec> [google] https://en.wikipedia.org(subculture)
[12:44:58] <exec> [google] https://en.wikipedia.org(subculture)
[12:45:03] <cmn32480> ~define dag
[12:45:05] <exec> [urbandictionary] 03Dag: An Australian slang term. A dag is technically the matted wool on a sheeps tail, but in typical useage throughout Australia, it refers to people who don't have a neat, tidy or cultured appearance....
[12:45:18] <cmn32480> ahhh
[12:49:18] <paulej72> morning all
[12:50:06] <cmn32480> ~gday paulej72
[12:50:08] * exec clumsily tosses a caravan of Gravis Ultrasound to paulej72
[12:52:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, paulej72
[12:53:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[12:53:23] <NotAnymore> ^ 03D'ya like dags? - YouTube
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[13:34:56] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:34:56] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2309
[13:34:59] <Bytram> !iod
[13:35:02] <Bytram> !uid
[13:35:02] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6137, owned by liberza
[13:35:07] <Bytram> http://feedproxy.google.com
[13:35:08] <NotAnymore> ^ 03Happy birthday, Ferruccio! 770-horsepower Lamborghini Centenario debuts - Roadshow ( http://www.cnet.com )
[13:35:16] <Bytram> ~folding-rank
[13:35:18] <exec> 072565
[13:35:23] <Bytram> nice!
[13:35:44] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[13:35:46] <exec> 10Boston, MA, USA - currently 35°F, mostly sunny, wind NW at 12 mph, humidity 26% - Tuesday mostly sunny (35°F:44°F), Wednesday rain (22°F:52°F), Thursday sunny (24°F:34°F), Friday snow showers (25°F:35°F)
[13:35:49] <Bytram> ~weather portland me
[13:35:51] <exec> 10Portland, ME, USA - currently 28°F, mostly sunny, wind N at 11 mph, humidity 27% - Tuesday mostly sunny (29°F:37°F), Wednesday rain (13°F:47°F), Thursday sunny (10°F:26°F), Friday partly cloudy (16°F:31°F)
[13:35:55] <Bytram> ~weather presque isle
[13:35:57] <exec> 10Presque Isle, ME, USA - currently 15°F, mostly sunny, wind W at 16 mph, humidity 53% - Tuesday partly cloudy (9°F:17°F), Wednesday snow with brief sleet (0°F:36°F), Thursday partly cloudy (-10°F:6°F), Friday mostly sunny (-5°F:18°F)
[13:37:32] <Bytram> https://drownattack.com
[13:37:33] <NotAnymore> ^ 03DROWN Attack
[13:42:42] <Bytram> ~time CST
[13:42:44] <exec> Tuesday, 1 March 2016 @ 7:42 am CT - Central Time
[13:42:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, Bytram
[13:42:56] <Bytram> morning!
[13:43:13] <Bytram> how's things?
[13:43:19] <Bytram> ~weather TheMightyBuzzard
[13:43:20] <exec> 10Humboldt, TN 38343, USA - currently 58°F, mostly cloudy, wind S at 11 mph, humidity 79% - Tuesday thunderstorm (31°F:63°F), Wednesday sunny (42°F:54°F), Thursday showers (38°F:58°F), Friday partly cloudy (38°F:56°F)
[13:43:30] <paulej72> ~weather
[13:43:32] <Bytram> not so good weather for fooshin
[13:43:33] <exec> 10Princeton, NJ, USA - currently 42°F / 6°C, mostly sunny, wind N at 7 mph, humidity 57% - Tuesday mostly sunny (43°F:51°F / 6°C:11°C), Wednesday cloudy (24°F:48°F / -4°C:9°C), Thursday partly cloudy (27°F:40°F / -3°C:4°C), Friday snow showers (25°F:37°F / -4°C:3°C)
[13:43:39] <Bytram> paulej72: g'morning!
[13:43:43] <paulej72> morning
[13:44:04] <Bytram> were you able to get all your systems straightened okay after the power 'hiccup'?
[13:44:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> fishing's out until i get a new license tomorrow.
[13:44:28] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:45:06] <paulej72> the ones I was worried about, i have
[13:45:07] <Bytram> was wondering... is there already code in rehash to retrieve a web page?
[13:45:12] <Bytram> nice
[13:45:37] <Bytram> I learned my lesson the hard way many years ago... if it computes, it sits on a UPS
[13:46:10] <Bytram> another lesson learned: make sure the UPS has a Mute button.
[13:46:13] <Bytram> :(
[13:47:03] <paulej72> i believe there is a sub that pulls in a web page
[13:47:16] <Bytram> nice!
[13:48:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Clear Channel Billboards Will Track Nearby Mobile Devices - http://sylnt.us - Hello-Mister-Anderton!
[13:48:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> if there's not it's easy to do. not that we should ever want to.
[13:48:42] <paulej72> ok off to a breakfast meeting
[13:48:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> enjoy
[13:48:59] <Bytram> coffee++ =)
[13:48:59] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2310
[13:49:09] <Bytram> hope the meeting goes well!
[13:49:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> pulling external pages can lead to hanging until the page is retrieved. plus copyright issues.
[13:49:52] <Bytram> was thinking about creating a slashbox for our FaH stats
[13:50:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmm, best to do that with a slashd job every so often.
[13:50:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> cache the result
[13:50:47] <Bytram> is there just one slashd job or can multiple ones be set up to run at different times?
[13:50:58] <Bytram> yep, planned on caching
[13:51:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's tons all running at different times.
[13:51:08] <Bytram> kewel!
[13:51:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> course now if they got an api, that'd be best. i really, really hate to write page scraping into production code.
[13:51:33] <Bytram> Can they run at the shell level? Or are they all within Perl?
[13:51:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> they all run as perl
[13:51:46] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:51:51] <Bytram> k
[13:52:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> seriously, if you gotta rely on page scraping, kill the idea. it's not worth having to fix every time their page changes.
[13:53:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> they had an xml results thing though, yeah?
[13:53:16] <Bytram> hrrrm, I think so...
[13:55:06] <Bytram> yep, found some candidates:
[13:55:11] <Bytram> http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com
[13:55:16] <Bytram> http://fah-web.stanford.edu
[13:55:17] <NotAnymore> ^✓ 03Team 10's contributions to Folding@home ( http://fah-web.stanford.edu )
[13:55:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> nix the second one
[13:56:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> first one we could do
[13:56:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> afk
[13:56:39] <Bytram> yep, first one looks perfect.
[13:56:40] <Bytram> k
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[16:18:58] <Bytram> ~weather uruguay
[16:19:00] <exec> 10Montevideo, Uruguay - currently 68°F, cloudy, wind SE at 7 mph, humidity 75% - Tuesday partly cloudy (62°F:76°F), Wednesday partly cloudy (63°F:77°F), Thursday partly cloudy (65°F:82°F), Friday partly cloudy (67°F:82°F)
[16:28:45] <nick> now time to deal with this whole milk in bags situation
[16:28:55] <nick> watch me get milk all over the floor...
[16:32:37] <Runaway1956> Nick - just poke a straw in the top of the bag.
[16:32:51] <Runaway1956> That's the TOP, not the bottom.
[16:34:01] <nick> i managed to do it using the technique as demonstrated by the canadians on youtube
[16:34:06] <nick> now i just hope this stuff is actually milk
[16:34:21] <nick> i went for the bag with cows on the label
[16:34:21] <Runaway1956> Creme de la Bull.
[16:34:29] <Bytram> what species did it come from?
[16:34:48] * Runaway1956 prefers human milk
[16:35:05] <nick> that how you keep your eternal youth, Runaway1956?
[16:35:13] <Runaway1956> unfortunately, I was weaned at a young age . . . .
[16:38:08] <Runaway1956> Hmmmm - dentistry may be the second oldest profession - - - https://soylentnews.org
[16:38:09] <NotAnymore> ^ 03SN Submission by Phoenix666: How Our Ancestors Drilled Rotten Teeth
[16:38:13] <cmn32480> Runaway1956 - that is only good direct from the tap
[16:38:38] <Runaway1956> But, of course! Why would you want to ruin it by refrigerating it?
[16:40:54] <nick> i doubt dentistry is that old as a profession
[16:41:23] <nick> more general medicine would surely come first
[16:41:29] <Runaway1956> You're saying that the cavemen dentists were amateurs? Careful, or they'll be suing you!
[16:41:59] <Runaway1956> Trump is related to the cavemen, after all.
[16:42:10] <nick> hunting, tribal leaders, general medicine, clothing and tool makers
[16:42:28] <nick> must have all came before dentistry as a speciality
[16:43:12] <Runaway1956> Yeah, but mostly those "professions" just traded. "Hey, Baby, you want a haunch of elk? Lemme caress your haunches, and we'll call it even!"
[16:43:40] <Bytram> !uid
[16:43:41] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6137, owned by liberza
[16:44:03] <Runaway1956> The whole concept of "professionalism" precludes taking it out in trade.
[16:44:51] <nick> what makes our ancestors dentistry different?
[16:46:36] <Runaway1956> I got no idea - I only read the submitted summary, without following any links. Don't want my head to assplode with to much information!
[16:47:16] <nick> indeed
[16:47:22] <nick> we didn't get where we are by reading TFA
[16:48:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> ♫ I am your dentist, and I enjoy the career that I picked, I'm your dentist, and I get off on the pain I inflict ♫
[16:48:52] <Runaway1956> Got that right. Alpha and Beta established a fine tradition of not RTFA, we don't want to break tradition.
[17:00:06] <Runaway1956> Hey, TheMightyBuzzard - what is your favorite PDF reader?
[17:00:27] * TheMightyBuzzard scratches his head
[17:00:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> /bin/false
[17:00:52] <Bytram> is that /bin/true ?
[17:00:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> i can't bloody stand pfds
[17:01:18] <Bytram> that's what chairs are for ;)
[17:01:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> or any compiled document you can't edit for that matter.
[17:01:25] <Runaway1956> I mostly hate them as well - that's why I'm experimenting with different readers
[17:02:00] <Bytram> depending on how the PDFs were created, there are tools that allow content extraction: pdftotext, etc.
[17:02:22] * Bytram is not a big fan, except when needing to send an exactly-formatted document to someone else for printing.
[17:02:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but they're ify at best
[17:02:30] <Bytram> yep
[17:02:48] <Bytram> need a very-simply-liad-out doc for it work right.
[17:03:07] <Bytram> multi-column can be problematic, for example.
[17:03:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> Runaway1956, on desktop i mostly use Atril
[17:03:31] <Runaway1956> Never used that one - I'll have to look at it.
[17:03:34] * Bytram is a fan of SumatraPDF on windows
[17:03:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> and you need proper, not scanned without ocr, text
[17:03:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> Runaway1956, it's chincy. comes with Mate.
[17:04:26] <Runaway1956> Worse or better than epdfreader?
[17:04:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> mostly does what i tell it though
[17:04:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg, dunno
[17:05:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> i got foxit and adobe on here as well for some reason. never use em though.
[17:06:06] <Runaway1956> LOL - I see - if you try to install atril, pacman wants to install all of Mate.
[17:06:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> doesn't surprise me
[17:08:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> try evince. it's what atril was forked from
[17:08:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> not much difference
[17:09:12] <Runaway1956> Installing - seems I remember that from somewhwere . . .
[17:09:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> was more or less the gnome viewer back in the day
[17:12:02] * Bytram ran out of space in his ubuntu vm on /boot to perform an upgrade. :( Notice I have what appear to be several back-level versions of files, but not certain... initrd.img-3.16.0-33-generic, initrd.img-3.16.0-51-generic, initrd.img-3.16.0-53-generic, initrd.img-3.16.0-55-generic, initrd.img-3.16.0-59-generic, initrd.img-3.16.0-62-generic
[17:12:11] <Bytram> each is about 19870KB
[17:12:30] <Bytram> can i safely delete the *33 one?
[17:12:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> uninstall the old kernels and initrds
[17:12:53] <Bytram> hmmm,
[17:13:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> if your current kernel is working, only keep it.
[17:13:15] <Bytram> so far, I've just been doing what ever the system update tool does... I let it d/l and install updates
[17:13:45] <Bytram> is there a command that lists the kernels I have installed?
[17:13:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> you'll have one for each initrd
[17:14:00] * Bytram guesses it's apt somthin somethin
[17:14:15] * Bytram scratches head
[17:14:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> copy pasta the version strings into search
[17:15:14] * TheMightyBuzzard is not in the mood to make submissions work on the new bot today
[17:16:27] <Runaway1956> bytram - $ dpkg --list | grep linux-image
[17:16:35] <Bytram> ahhhh! thanks!
[17:16:59] <Bytram> that's for ubuntu, right? (I've got 14.04, I think; trusty tahr)
[17:17:24] <Runaway1956> Should be the same for any Debian derivative - try it, see if it works
[17:18:14] <Bytram> worked...
[17:18:27] <Runaway1956> cool
[17:18:57] <Runaway1956> my google-fu rises infinitesmally
[17:19:33] <Bytram> found 7 "linux-image-3.16.0-nn*-generic" and 7 "linux-image-extra-3.16.0-nn-generic"
[17:19:54] <Bytram> where 'nn' is one of: 33, 51, 53, 55, 59, 60, and 62
[17:19:55] <Runaway1956> So, what kernel are you booted to?
[17:20:29] <Runaway1956> You probably want to uninstall all but the latest and greatest, which you should be using
[17:20:38] <Runaway1956> $ uname -a
[17:20:43] <Bytram> 3.16.0-60-generic according to uname -a
[17:20:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Obsolete Crypto is Dangerous: "DROWN" SSLv2 Vulnerability Used to Attack TLS - http://sylnt.us - water-is-up-to-my-neck
[17:20:58] <Bytram> =)
[17:21:36] <Bytram> 3.16.0-60-generic according to uname -a
[17:21:39] <Runaway1956> I'm sure you have a reason for using such an old kernel
[17:21:45] <Runaway1956> Kernel: 4.3.3-4-lqx
[17:21:57] <Bytram> LTS -- when testing, I like to have some stability
[17:22:09] <Runaway1956> Yeah - reason enough.
[17:22:12] <Bytram> this is in a VM, btw
[17:22:19] <Runaway1956> ahhhhhhh
[17:22:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> also it matches most of our boxes at linode
[17:22:40] <Bytram> that was the intent.
[17:22:47] <Runaway1956> Probably make your VM happier if you do uninstall all the extras, although, you can't test against them if you ininstall them
[17:23:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, this is why we do not make a separate /boot partition on vms
[17:23:28] <Bytram> well, I'm getting install errors when I tried to let ubuntu do an update... out of disk space on /boot
[17:24:05] <Runaway1956> Yep, common occurrence with VM's - if you use VBox, you can grow your virtual disk, but it's a pain in the ass.
[17:24:09] <Bytram> and this is how I learm, I guess. I just did what was suggested when I was setting up the VM. live and learn.
[17:24:23] <Bytram> yep, using Orale's virtuabox
[17:24:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup, that's life for yas
[17:24:47] <Runaway1956> I won't make another Win7 with less than 50 gig of space - THAT is a pain
[17:24:48] <Bytram> Life is a rough teacher; gives the test first and the lesson later.
[17:25:00] <Bytram> ouch!
[17:25:19] <Runaway1956> Life sucks, but it's better than the alternative I guess. - Ronald Reagan?
[17:25:32] <Bytram> so, I don't want to get ubuntu confused with it's GUI update stuff, but I also want to clean out stuff so I can upgrade...
[17:25:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya know, it's gettin on towards noon and i feel a nap sneaking up on me.
[17:26:03] <Runaway1956> Dammit Buzz, I was trying to ignore my own drooping eyelids
[17:26:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> give in to the peer pressure!
[17:26:56] <Runaway1956> No, fuggit - for best results at work, I need to stay awake for another 90 to 120 minutes
[17:27:04] <Bytram> so, if I wanted to remove the 3.16.0-33 kernel... what command would I use?
[17:27:17] * Bytram feels like such a newie
[17:27:23] <Bytram> *newbie
[17:27:27] <Runaway1956> I was afraid you'd ask that next - - - - lemme look
[17:27:32] <Bytram> LOL!
[17:27:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> use the gui package manager if you can. it's easier
[17:27:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> just put the version strings in the search box and remove everything that has them in it.
[17:28:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> but it'd be apt-get remove packagename
[17:28:59] <Bytram> I've been using: System > Administration > Software Updater
[17:29:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> try synaptic
[17:29:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's pretty nice
[17:29:48] * Runaway1956 prefers apt-get when maintaining debian, but to each his own
[17:30:30] <Runaway1956> Oh - found this - wait one
[17:30:36] * Bytram doesn't see synaptic in the menus... is it something I run from the CLI?
[17:30:47] <Runaway1956> dpkg --list | grep linux-image | awk '{ print $2 }' | sort -V | sed -n '/'`uname -r`'/q;p' | xargs sudo apt-get -y purge
[17:30:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> i can't stand it. package management split into several different executables is sick n wrong.
[17:30:54] <nick> synaptic is pretty great
[17:31:21] <Bytram> that looks intutively casual to the most obvious observer!
[17:31:26] <Bytram> :/
[17:31:37] <Runaway1956> I don't see the date on this - you might check it out - https://askubuntu.com
[17:31:38] <NotAnymore> ^ 03grub2 - How do I remove old kernel versions to clean up the boot menu? - Ask Ubuntu
[17:32:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> boot menu cleans itself as you remove the kernels
[17:32:18] <Bytram> I don't see anything in the boot menu... but then again, I can't remember the last time I shutdown the VM and did a hard restart
[17:32:36] <Runaway1956> Yes, but he gets more involved than the title suggests further down the page
[17:32:39] <Bytram> hmm, uptime 7d22h
[17:32:55] <Bytram> how do I launch synaptic?
[17:33:06] <Runaway1956> type synaptic in a terminal
[17:33:52] <Runaway1956> lsterminal for the win
[17:33:52] * Bytram opens a new terminal window
[17:34:19] <Runaway1956> is that an "s" or an "x"? lxterminal
[17:34:45] <Bytram> that splains it... The program 'synaptic' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt-get install synaptic
[17:34:55] * Bytram hopes he does not run out of space while installing it!
[17:35:12] <Runaway1956> try the command from that page I quoted
[17:35:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> geez, you trying to fit that vm on a floppy?
[17:35:20] <Runaway1956> let dpkg do it
[17:35:56] <Runaway1956> No Buzz, that would be Yellow Dog I think.
[17:36:19] <Runaway1956> Any 'Buntu needs at least the space of a CD
[17:36:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... yeah, definitely nap time now. later taters.
[17:37:21] <Runaway1956> he's killin me here with talk about naps
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[17:39:33] <Runaway1956> And, yes, evince looks VERY familiar, I've used it before
[17:40:44] * Bytram is still reading the article that Runaway1956 posted -- good stuff!
[17:41:35] * Bytram is currently running, according to uname -r: 3.16.0-10-generic
[17:48:32] <Bytram> okay... IIUC, synaptic is a wrapper around the apt commands, right?
[17:48:49] <Runaway1956> That is correct
[17:48:58] <Runaway1956> Just a wrapper
[17:49:08] <Bytram> given space is tight atm, I think I'll try: sudo apt-get purge linux-image-x.x.x.x-generic on the first (oldest) image
[17:49:22] <Bytram> then I'll think about installing synaptic
[17:49:22] <Runaway1956> Sounds right
[17:49:32] <Bytram> thanks for the confirmation!
[17:49:41] <Bytram> measure twise, cut once!
[17:49:48] <Bytram> *twice, even!
[17:49:51] <Runaway1956> Just be damn sure you don't use the currently running kernel for x.x.x.x.
[17:50:00] <Bytram> oh, no problem there!
[17:50:13] <AndyTheAbsurd> what I generally do is to purge all but the current and most recent kernel versions
[17:50:17] * Bytram has deleted whole file trees a few too many times
[17:50:21] <Bytram> nod nod
[17:50:41] <Bytram> since I've got 7 of 'em at the moment, I think deleteing the first 4 should be sufficient atm
[17:51:06] <Bytram> I'm just gonna start witht he first one... I'm assuming the order I delete them does not matter?
[17:51:14] <Runaway1956> Then you might consider purging unused applications
[17:51:19] <Bytram> iow, they are comepletely independent?
[17:51:24] <Bytram> k
[17:51:28] <Runaway1956> Doesn't matter at all - they are all independent
[17:51:31] <Bytram> nod nod
[17:53:15] <Bytram> okay, found my window with the list of kernels
[17:53:58] * Bytram opens a new terminal
[17:54:52] * Bytram is about to issue the command: sudo apt-get purge linux-image-3.16.0.51-generic
[17:55:11] <cmn32480> #qa is a different channel....
[17:55:18] <cmn32480> IRC spammers... sheesh....
[17:57:27] <Bytram> Pppphhhhbbbt
[17:57:40] <Bytram> changd mind; going with *33 instead of *51
[17:58:44] * Bytram notes to self: apt-get autoremove to remove them
[18:01:39] <Bytram> sweet! worked like a charm, once I did *sudo* apt-get autoremove
[18:01:44] <Runaway1956> heh - that will work too
[18:02:08] * Runaway1956 likes su better than sudo
[18:02:34] <Runaway1956> although it *can* lead you into trouble if you forget that you're root
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[18:03:02] <Bytram> btw, 3.16.0.62 had barfed when I tried to install it earlier (out of disk space; hence this discussion) -- completion of the prior remove resulted in *62 completing its install! !woop
[18:03:09] * Bytram removes *51
[18:03:34] <Runaway1956> don't pay the ferryman though
[18:04:16] <Bytram> done. freed up 200MB
[18:04:20] <Bytram> now to *53
[18:04:35] <Bytram> Runaway1956: TheMightyBuzzard: thanks bunches for hte help!
[18:04:52] <Runaway1956> No problemo -
[18:05:01] <Runaway1956> how big IS your virtual drive?
[18:05:59] <Bytram> I'm doing a 'sudo apt-get autoremove' after each one of these, only found something with *33
[18:06:55] <Runaway1956> don't forget apt-get clean or apt-get autoclean -
[18:06:59] <Bytram> Runaway1956: df reports: /dev/sda1 240972
[18:07:18] <Bytram> do I do that now, or at th end?
[18:07:49] <Runaway1956> after everything else is done - purge should get rid of all the packages and stuff lying around, but autoclean will ensure that it did
[18:08:03] <Bytram> k
[18:08:13] <Bytram> now removing *55 and that will be enough for this run
[18:09:24] * Runaway1956 notes that although Linux file systems don't fragment like Windows, Linux still runs better with some free space
[18:09:28] <Bytram> should I do BOTH clean AND autoclean?
[18:09:33] <Bytram> nod nod
[18:09:56] <Runaway1956> I think just the autoclean should do it - type apt-get --help for some hints
[18:10:22] * Runaway1956 has no debians installed at the moment to look
[18:11:39] <Bytram> at one point, /boot was down to 2624 free; and now seeing: 126264 free =)
[18:12:03] <Runaway1956> Cool - amazing what a little housekeeping does, huh?
[18:13:08] <Runaway1956> Do you have DKMS installed? If so - you may have some loose modules lying around, compiled for various kernels that you've just deleted
[18:13:21] <Runaway1956> I don't remember how to ask DKMS to clean things up though
[18:13:40] <Runaway1956> but autoclean really ought to get most if not all of that nonsense
[18:13:46] * Bytram just ran "sudo apt-get autoclean -" but saw no diffrence in free disk space
[18:14:31] <Bytram> "which DKMS" did not find anything
[18:14:49] <Runaway1956> Cool - you probably got it all then
[18:15:09] <Bytram> nice!
[18:15:14] <Bytram> thanks SO MUCH!
[18:15:28] <Runaway1956> np
[18:15:40] <Bytram> teamwork++
[18:15:40] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 23
[18:15:59] <AndyTheAbsurd> 'which DKMS' is not the same as 'which dkms'
[18:16:13] <Bytram> both came up empty
[18:16:15] <AndyTheAbsurd> the 2nd on returns /usr/snbin/dkms on my system, the 1st returns nothing.
[18:16:16] <Bytram> =)
[18:16:30] * Runaway1956 is going to lose himself in some mindless pulp fiction
[18:16:56] <AndyTheAbsurd> Yup, just one of those gotchas you've got to be aware of when switching from a case-insensitive OS to a case-sensitive one.
[18:17:35] * Bytram has made the transition a few times... kinda prefer the case-sensitive one better.
[18:18:29] * Bytram shudders when he recalls coding in FORTRAN and COBOL -- upper-case-only :P
[18:19:12] * AndyTheAbsurd has written exactly two programs in COBOL
[18:19:15] <AndyTheAbsurd> that was plenty.
[18:25:39] * Bytram tested a COBOL compiler which resulting in my writing programs to generate COBOL programs covering all syntactic variations on all procedure division statements
[18:25:53] <Bytram> whew!
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[18:42:08] <nick> chivito_and_cerveza++
[18:42:08] <Bender> karma - chivito_and_cerveza: 1
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[18:46:34] <CoolHand> Bytram:
[18:46:44] <Bytram> CoolHand:
[18:46:47] <CoolHand> hey!
[18:46:47] <Bytram> =)
[18:46:58] <Bytram> howz thingz?
[18:47:22] <CoolHand> I was seconding that ice crystals story.. in title, is "Bilogical" a word? It has it that way in the article title, but I"ve never heard of it, and don't google it
[18:47:30] <CoolHand> I think we need a [sic]
[18:47:44] <Bytram> yep
[18:47:53] <Bytram> BiOlogical
[18:48:05] <Bytram> beware Muphry's Law!
[18:48:41] <CoolHand> ok, just wanted to make sure I wasn't going crazy..
[18:48:47] <CoolHand> (I may be but just not in this case)
[18:49:01] <Bytram> lol
[18:49:05] <Bytram> join the klub!
[18:49:32] <CoolHand> :)
[18:49:56] <Ticho> maybe it just means twice as logical as merely "logical" :)
[18:50:06] <Bytram> ROFL!!!!!!!!
[18:50:13] <CoolHand> logical AND illogical at once
[18:50:15] <Ticho> double plus good! :)
[18:51:39] <Bytram> lol. from "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress": "Not good?" "Very not good."
[18:51:41] <Bytram> =)
[18:51:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - UK Uses 33% Less Stuff Than in 2001 - http://sylnt.us - less-stuff-means-smaller-houses
[18:58:00] <nick> peak stuff indeed
[18:58:13] * nick has no stuff except work stuff
[19:00:58] <AndyTheAbsurd> I need to have less stuff. But having a wife that forms attachments to things easily and is difficult to convince that she *really* *really* doesn't need that tends to lead to accumulation.
[19:01:39] <AndyTheAbsurd> I think I'd be happier if I could fit everything I owned into my truck...and I have a small truck.
[19:01:55] <nick> i can fit everything i own into my estate car
[19:02:04] <nick> has roof racks, but i dont think thats cheating
[19:03:01] <nick> AndyTheAbsurd: the future mrs nick is quite keen on stuff, so i do have that to contend with too
[19:03:05] <nick> but she's learning :p
[19:04:17] <nick> although i doubt i'll ever stop her wanting all her books to be in matching sets
[19:04:39] <nick> the words on the pages are apparently not good enough, they have to match if they're a series!
[19:14:02] <Ticho> heh, a post to the debian-security mailing list: "Unsubscribe me or I will spam your list"
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[20:18:37] <Bytram> ~folding-rank
[20:18:39] <exec> 072534
[20:23:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Western Digital Fills its Hard Drive Lineups with Helium - http://sylnt.us - less-boom-for-your-buck-than-hydrogen
[20:42:01] <crutchy> wouldn't helium gradually leak out?
[20:42:54] <nick> i recall reading about helium drives a while ago
[20:50:36] <crutchy> apparently it has nobility. if only we could all be so lucky :p
[20:52:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> stolenteatime++
[20:52:57] <Bender> karma - stolenteatime: 1
[20:54:12] <nick> you stole someones tea?
[20:54:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, i stole tea time from you lot yesterday cause i was hungry between lunch and dinner.
[20:55:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> did it up american style though. tea with pop tarts.
[20:55:32] <nick> nice
[20:55:36] <nick> pop tarts ftw
[20:55:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> indeed.
[20:56:15] * TheMightyBuzzard scratches his head
[20:57:03] <Gravis> pop tarts will make you fat
[20:57:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> only if you eat tons of them
[20:57:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> eat two instead of a whole box and you're probably safe.
[20:57:46] <Gravis> one packet daily is enough for weight gain
[20:58:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> depends entirely on what else you eat
[20:59:17] <crutchy> i dunno if i ever had pop tarts
[20:59:28] <crutchy> though i think i remember hearing about them as a kid
[21:00:38] <Gravis> no, having enough other food to not be hungry would exceed almost anyone's Calorie DV andto denying yourself the food needed to not be hungry would put your body in starvation mode.
[21:00:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> while i am an occasional fan, i do gotta side with strudels in the eternal battle.
[21:01:29] <crutchy> Gravis, wtf are you talking about now dude?
[21:01:51] <Gravis> you would have to have a high metabolic rate to avoid weight gain
[21:01:57] <crutchy> i've been eating unhealthy shit for over a decade and i'm a skinny runt
[21:02:03] <Ticho> me too, actually
[21:02:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, you're unaware that sucrose suppresses the appetite far in excess of the calories it contains then?
[21:02:12] <Ticho> gorging myself on chocolate as we speak :)
[21:02:13] <crutchy> it depends entirely on the individual
[21:02:30] <crutchy> and diet is only one half; exercise is another
[21:02:33] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: actually, i know that's a myth.
[21:02:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> HCFC does not, which is why you can guzzle down sodas and such without ever getting full.
[21:03:06] <crutchy> i get full from sodas very quickly
[21:03:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> HFCS rather
[21:03:10] <crutchy> they give me a gut ache
[21:03:14] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: what do you think is in pop tarts, the expensive stuff?
[21:03:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> sugar, you can see the crystals. HFCS does not do that, even dehydrated.
[21:04:25] <crutchy> i'm going to need new pants soon though cos my old ones are tight. i weighed myself last week and i was 73 kg
[21:04:37] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you are easily fooled by chemists
[21:04:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> either way, given the amount of refined sugar i don't eat, it's not an issue.
[21:05:01] <crutchy> those damn chemists. fooling everyone about... chemistry :p
[21:05:20] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: same here... I'm about 25 lbs underweight -- I only eat 6-8 pop tarts at one sitting.
[21:06:24] <crutchy> better go to workipoos
[21:06:42] <crutchy> hope my fuckin headache goes away or ima not going to be very productive :\
[21:06:44] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: http://foodidentitytheft.com
[21:06:50] <NotAnymore> ^ 03Don’t be fooled by those ‘No HFCS’ claims on ‘new’ Pop Tarts | Food Identity Theft
[21:07:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, productivity is pointless. in the end the universe is still going to die to entropy.
[21:07:56] <crutchy> in the meantime i still gotta pay bills and feed kids
[21:08:02] <crutchy> haf fun o/
[21:09:07] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: by that logic you can excuse any cruel action.
[21:09:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, i primarily use it for laziness.
[21:10:21] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: that's fine but it's still faulty logic
[21:11:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, the logic is sound. the ethicalness of using it is however questionable.
[21:12:07] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: so you agree that any and all actions may be excused?
[21:13:05] <Bytram> crutchy: hope the headache passes soon... have a great day!
[21:13:10] <Bytram> ~folding-rank
[21:13:12] <exec> 072526
[21:13:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> see above re: questionable
[21:13:52] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: but only ethically. logically there is nothing wrong with just murdering people for fun.
[21:14:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> correct. logic and morality do not interact. one is based on emotions, the other is not.
[21:15:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can use reason with emotions and it may look logical but if your foundation is ephemeral what you are doing is not logic.
[21:16:12] <Bytram> gigo
[21:16:22] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: i'll be sure to remind you of that when someone does something that bothers you.
[21:17:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> go for it. won't hurt my feelings. i'm quite happy to argue morality without saying my morality holds some great underlying truth.
[21:18:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> as far as i'm aware, nobody can claim that with factual knowledge.
[21:18:50] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: i can
[21:18:53] <cmn32480> ~gday crutchy
[21:18:55] * exec brazenly slides a buzz saw of bewb to crutchy
[21:19:00] <cmn32480> ~gday crutchy
[21:19:02] * exec accidentally hurls a wine flute of beer at crutchy
[21:19:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> all systems of morality are either manufactured or based on faith rather than evidence.
[21:19:09] <cmn32480> stupid scroolll
[21:19:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> without exception
[21:19:23] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: and?
[21:19:43] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: i have factual knowledge that you are wrong.
[21:19:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> if they're not based on facts, then logic cannot be applied.
[21:19:46] <Gravis> see, easy
[21:19:54] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: yes it can.
[21:20:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> see, now you're just being childish.
[21:20:14] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: and?
[21:20:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> which i can appreciate.
[21:20:36] * TheMightyBuzzard sticks his tongue out at Gravis and blows him a raspberry
[21:21:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> the fart noise not the itty bitty computer
[21:21:12] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: what, so you can't argue the logic? you are giving up?
[21:21:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> you've provided no facts to base your logic on
[21:21:44] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: yes i did. you must have missed it.
[21:21:51] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: scroll up
[21:22:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> m'kay. done. now which one of those sentences contained a fact?
[21:22:28] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: it's right there. how can you not see it?
[21:23:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> dude, you need to get off the peyote. i think you're hallucinating.
[21:23:34] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: hey, i'm just arguing logic. you are the one dismissing everythign.
[21:24:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're not arguing logic, you're just arguing. the two are not the same.
[21:24:30] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: i get it. i have you cornered and you don't want to admit defeat.
[21:24:33] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: it's fine
[21:25:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> enjoy yourself a victory lap then. i'll get back to figuring out how to implement a timed event in C for my bot.
[21:25:41] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: no need to be a sore loser.
[21:26:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, no, go right ahead. i give you leave to win.
[21:26:36] <Ticho> the fun thing about internet arguments is that both sides always lose, yet each thinks it won :)
[21:26:57] <cmn32480> the onyl real winners are those of us watching with popcorn
[21:27:14] <Ticho> actually, walnuts over here :)
[21:27:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ticho, nah, we're to the point that we argue just to be arguing sometimes.
[21:27:22] <Gravis> cmn32480: it's for your benefit :)
[21:27:29] <cmn32480> I got trail mix.. but the point is the same
[21:27:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> it kills the boredom a bit.
[21:27:55] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: arguing just to argue? nice cop out.
[21:27:57] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: we never argue, what you talking about
[21:28:02] <cmn32480> certainly does for Ticho and myself
[21:28:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, i'm gonna go ahead and do away with the templating system and go back to _hard_disp_comment exclusively.
[21:28:30] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: i argued the facts and you pussied out.
[21:29:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, can't be helped. you are what you eat.
[21:29:33] <paulej72> If you think that will work out better. Will we be able to catch everything that way TheMightyBuzzard ?
[21:30:08] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you eat chicken shit?
[21:30:10] <Gravis> ;)
[21:30:18] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: movng from templates will break intrnaltionization
[21:30:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, are you arguing?
[21:31:09] <paulej72> yes, not which ever is more augumentitive
[21:32:10] <paulej72> s/not/no/
[21:32:10] <sedctl> <paulej72> yes, no which ever is more augumentitive
[21:32:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> i was just fuckin with ya anyway. it'd render faster and yes it could be cached both what was formerly in templates and calls to the db but it'd make for some oogly freakin source.
[21:34:17] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders the five mile long regexs and shudders
[21:35:23] <paulej72> why would there be five mile long regexes
[21:36:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause of all the html you'd have to put directly in them. though i spose you could slurp it from a variable if you wanted to.
[21:36:05] <paulej72> all of the template code could be doen in perl, you would just have a lot of sring concats
[21:36:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> or that'd work as well.
[21:36:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> be more efficient too.
[21:37:23] <paulej72> output = output."<div class='".$sid
[21:37:36] <paulej72> but more elegant
[21:41:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> and with more $s
[21:41:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> and everyone wants more $s
[21:41:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is why they should use perl
[21:44:51] <Bytram> could even use sub's to generate different parts of it; then string the subs together to generate the entire page.
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[21:45:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, it looks like the easiest way to build a timer would be spin off another thread.
[21:46:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> this is getting mildly complicated for a silly little irc bot.
[21:47:56] <Ticho> I'd just use eggdrop back when I needed bots :)
[21:48:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> bit of a right of passage around here to build your own bot.
[21:49:13] <Bytram> maybe use a cron job to periodically run the timer-dependent code which would send the info to a file. Your mainline code would just read the file as needed; latest stuff comes in automagically. =)
[21:49:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> MrPlow is mine but he hogs up too much memory cause everything is done in perl
[21:50:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, be easier to use a fifo for that but i wanna keep it self-contained.
[21:50:48] <Bytram> understood. just thinking outside the [processing] box.
[21:51:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> so i'm rewriting most of him in C and leaving the parts that perl is better suited to an embedded perl interpreter.
[21:51:58] <Ticho> eh, I do enough coding already to care about such rites of passage :)
[21:52:20] <Ticho> s/enough/too much/
[21:52:20] <sedctl> <Ticho> eh, I do too much coding already to care about such rites of passage :)
[21:53:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ticho, also, it's a handy way to avoid working on the site when that strikes me as something i wanna do.
[21:54:11] <Ticho> I hope you give the bot nickname like ProcrastiBot then :)
[21:54:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Meet the Man on the Other End of "Houston, We Have a Problem" - http://sylnt.us - rocketman
[21:54:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas not a bad idea
[21:56:11] <paulej72> well I am off to the dentist. Need to get my root canal finalized with a filling
[21:56:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> laziness should always be encouraged. it's lead to some truly spectacular labor-saving invention.
[21:56:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> yerk. luck to ya.
[21:56:53] <paulej72> probably will not need novicain
[21:57:04] <Bytram> paulej72: best of luck!
[21:57:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> already all drilled?
[21:57:35] <paulej72> mostly. they just need to clean out the temp packing, it is real quick
[21:57:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. yeah, shouldn't be too traumatic then.
[21:58:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup, time to make the ole bot multi-threaded.
[21:59:05] <paulej72> fork bomb ftw
[21:59:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> spoon bomb. it's dull. it will hurt more.
[22:00:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> RIP Alan Rickman
[22:00:30] <swiss> he died a while ago
[22:00:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes but i stole his line so i figured it was worth saying
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[22:43:30] <Bytram|away> nap time and then off to run some errands
[22:43:35] <Bytram|away> have a good day everyone!
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[23:21:14] <takyon> http://www.marketwatch.com
[23:21:15] <NotAnymore> ^ 03Pirates on the high seas are hacking ship computers first - MarketWatch
[23:25:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How Antifreeze Proteins Hinder the Growth of Ice Crystals - http://sylnt.us - do-these-come-freeze-dried?
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[23:49:20] <Balactus> I am Balactus, destroyer of worlds
[23:49:23] <Balactus> Behold, my likeness
[23:49:37] <Balactus> http://i.imgur.com
[23:50:06] <Balactus> Ancient powers render me upstoppable. Now, where are there worlds for me to destroy?
[23:50:16] * Balactus flies off into the galaxy
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