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[00:00:09] <takyon> more like 20
[00:01:30] <Gravis> well the person that perfects manufacturing QCA tech should get a nobel prize
[00:04:33] <Gravis> takyon: considering how companies work, i don't think we'll be seeing QCA for a good long while.
[00:05:49] <takyon> there will be an alternative to CMOS if there is no 3D CMOS CPU
[00:06:27] <takyon> now that moore's law is about to be declared dead, there will be more attention paid to finding a successor for around the 7nm mark
[00:06:50] <Gravis> sure... but it's crap compared to QCA
[00:06:55] <takyon> ideally a transistor/cooling breakthrough would allow stacking, like with 3D NAND
[00:07:32] <takyon> there's a potential 1,000,000x performance gain to be realized with CMOS, if clock speeds go up and stacking is used
[00:10:44] <Gravis> sure, you can get nice speed but you also get power drain with it
[00:11:08] <Gravis> how about just something that runs at decent speed and never need charging?
[00:11:21] <Gravis> needs*
[00:11:32] <takyon> well, the Nobel prize is ready and waiting
[00:11:44] <Gravis> exactly
[00:12:08] <chromas> My phone is charged by shaking, like those flash lights. It never dies because I watch a lot of porn
[00:12:20] <takyon> I'm also keeping an eye on this, although I don't think it can scale down to flat bendy phone size
[00:12:22] <takyon> http://www.hpcwire.com
[00:12:26] <NotAnymore> ^ 03Is This the Exascale Breakthrough We've Been Waiting For?
[00:12:58] <Gravis> we have too much processing power already, we don't need more.
[00:13:12] <Gravis> it's just getting abused
[00:13:47] <chromas> What? I wanna run folding@home in my pocket on a folded up phone
[00:14:11] <Gravis> hmm... yes, science could put it to good use
[00:14:25] <chromas> Or render animation in my pocket to keep my pants hot in the winter
[00:15:07] <chromas> Sometimes…sometimes I just wanna run 300MB of javascript when I'm reading the news
[00:15:15] <Gravis> who knows, maybe capitalism will solve itself and save us from dystopia
[00:15:24] <takyon> no, we need more processing power
[00:15:50] <chromas> It would be nice to get away from lossy video compression
[00:16:00] <chromas> So we can edit and re-edit vidya without artifacts
[00:16:18] <takyon> there is no maximum amount of processing power needed. If you have it wasted on bad code or can't figure out to do with it, that's YOUR problem
[00:17:03] <chromas> At the very least, your computer can get a task done and go back to sleep faster, saving moar battery
[00:17:23] <takyon> supercomputing centers can always use more processsing power, including up to zettascale and beyond. every industry could use better machine learning.
[00:17:41] <chromas> Hm, we could probably save some power by turning off antialiasing, which is almost useless on high dpi screens
[00:18:08] <takyon> I've heard 4K without antialiasing is pretty good
[00:18:42] <takyon> on the machine learning/shit that Google is doing side of things, more processing power might be replaced with "different" processing power, like neuromorphic or quantum computing
[00:18:50] <Gravis> bbl #phoenix
[00:19:48] <chromas> Do we have 64-core arm chips for desktops yet?
[00:22:38] <takyon> http://www.v3.co.uk
[00:22:40] <NotAnymore> ^ 03ARM aims at network infrastructure with many-core SoCs and open software stack - IT News from V3.co.uk
[00:22:52] <takyon> "Cavium's ThunderX line boasts up to 48 64-bit ARM cores running at up to 2.5GHz, and is aimed at a wide variety of data centre applications. Different chips in the family have different accelerators for storage, networking, compute or security applications.
[00:22:52] <takyon> "
[00:23:46] <takyon> there was also Calxeda but they got destroyed and restructured
[00:23:54] <takyon> probably something coming though
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[02:16:01] <cmn32480> egad... what a long ass day
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[03:18:14] <Deucalion> ~weather juggs
[03:18:17] <exec> 10London, UK - currently 33°F / 1°C, clear, wind E at 1 mph, humidity 87% - Tuesday clear with periodic clouds (29°F:48°F / -2°C:9°C), Wednesday mostly sunny (29°F:47°F / -2°C:8°C), Thursday partly cloudy (30°F:44°F / -1°C:7°C), Friday cloudy (33°F:47°F / 1°C:8°C)
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[03:43:59] <cmn32480> tea++ #this one's for you zz_janrinok
[03:43:59] <Bender> karma - tea: 536
[03:46:52] <Bytram> !uid
[03:46:53] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6131, owned by LVDOVICVS
[03:47:46] <Bytram> nice, we got 5 new accts on the 19th
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[04:55:07] <cmn32480> ~time Louisville, KY
[04:55:09] <exec> Tuesday, 23 February 2016 @ 11:55 pm EST - Louisville, KY, USA
[04:55:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> ye gads, it's way past my bedtime then.
[04:55:53] <cmn32480> me too
[04:57:20] <cmn32480> ~gnight #soylent
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[06:58:02] <crutchy> pizza++
[06:58:02] <Bender> karma - pizza: 32
[07:01:18] <crutchy> ~weather
[07:01:20] <exec> 04Traralgon VIC - currently 29°C, partly cloudy, wind E at 19 km/h, humidity 46% - Wednesday mostly cloudy (18°C:32°C), Thursday partly cloudy (14°C:31°C), Friday partly cloudy (11°C:24°C), Saturday partly cloudy (13°C:26°C)
[07:07:24] <Gravis> ~weather hell
[07:07:26] <exec> 10Washington, DC, USA - currently 41°F / 5°C, cloudy, wind NE at 6 mph, humidity 94% - Tuesday rain (40°F:45°F / 4°C:7°C), Wednesday thunderstorm (47°F:63°F / 8°C:17°C), Thursday cloudy (30°F:50°F / -1°C:10°C), Friday cloudy (27°F:41°F / -3°C:5°C)
[07:11:19] <crutchy> its pretty warm in my dogbox of a house
[07:11:34] * crutchy is waiting for pizza to be delivered
[07:18:41] <Gravis> :P http://www.quickmeme.com
[07:19:12] <chromas> pizza++
[07:19:12] <Bender> karma - pizza: 33
[07:19:17] * chromas schedules pizza for thursday
[07:26:14] <crutchy> damn ~tell script is borked :/
[07:26:53] <crutchy> oh no its not
[07:26:59] * crutchy 's brain is borked
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[08:28:01] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Here?
[08:28:28] <Subsentient> $burrito TheMightyBuzzard
[08:28:29] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at TheMightyBuzzard
[08:29:10] * Subsentient pukes all over the carpet
[08:33:21] * Subsentient sprays vomit all over the ceiling, so it drips down as chunky brown rain
[08:35:12] <JamesNZ> Subsentient: Might I recommend seeing a doctor? :P
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[11:17:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:17:38] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2280
[11:18:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, almost never here between 9pm-5am Central
[11:22:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> #weather
[11:22:41] <MrPlow> Today: Windy with rain early...then remaining cloudy with showers for the afternoon. Thunder possible. High 44F. Winds WNW at 25 to 35 mph. Chance of rain 80%. Tomorrow: A few flurries possible early. Mostly cloudy skies. High 42F. Winds NW at 10 to 20 mph.
[11:23:50] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: greetings in the name of the maggot infested ballsack of the undead god Lord Gerbilius.
[11:24:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> And back at ya in the name of the great and powerful GOAT
[11:24:43] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Got any good links on Perl function prototypes
[11:24:44] <Subsentient> ?
[11:24:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm...
[11:25:12] <Subsentient> The camel book seems to make it hard to grasp.
[11:25:36] <Subsentient> I kinda like how everything is like C's va_args in Perl.
[11:26:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> you looking for capital P prototypes or just stuff people have written?
[11:26:31] <Subsentient> Capital P.
[11:26:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, nope. they're rarely used in perl.
[11:26:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> almost never in my experience.
[11:26:56] <Subsentient> Function prototypes are rarely used??
[11:27:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, perl guys don't tend to like their functions arguing with them because we sent the wrong number/type of arguments.
[11:28:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> so we don't prototype, we just write the function and trust ourselves to send it the right shat.
[11:29:04] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: .... I actually like that mentality. I really do.
[11:29:24] <Subsentient> I do, however, myself, adhere to "readable code or die".
[11:29:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> good cause i don't think i've EVER seen a prototype used in production perl code
[11:30:16] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: What are your complete thoughts on Perl 6?
[11:30:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod, in that case i'd do a comment above the function
[11:30:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> #perl6
[11:30:26] <MrPlow> Get off my lawn!
[11:31:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> i may pick it up in a year after people have written enough of a variety of modules to make it useful but so far it mildly annoys me.
[11:32:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> did write a bot it in and it does do function prototyping much more commonly
[11:32:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, of a sort
[11:33:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> it allows you to write separate functions with the same name to handle varying amounts/types of arguments. which i consider confusing insanity.
[11:36:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> blerg, brain's not kicking in yet. may not be coding today.
[11:43:22] <crutchy> ~perl6
[11:43:26] <crutchy> ~perl
[11:43:31] <crutchy> :|
[11:44:53] <crutchy> ~perl6 !
[11:44:55] <exec> 07prefix !
[11:44:55] <exec> 07Negated boolean context operator.
[11:44:55] <exec> 07multi sub prefix:<!>(Mu) returns Bool:D
[11:44:55] <exec> 07http://doc.perl6.org/routine/%21
[11:47:14] <crutchy> ~perl6 @
[11:47:16] <exec> 07error/not found
[11:47:16] <exec> 07http://doc.perl6.org/routine/%40
[11:49:57] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Ahh, so Perl 6 has function overloading. So does C++. Perl doesn't need it. That's.... tacky.
[11:51:23] <crutchy> is perl as piss weak as php with typing?
[11:51:50] <crutchy> overloading would be almost useless in a weak typed language
[11:52:17] <Subsentient> crutchy: Perl 5 is extremely weak in typing, but it actually plays out pretty well. Perl 6, dunno.
[11:52:30] <Subsentient> Perl 6 is a separate language, but bleach. I don't like what I've seen so far.
[11:54:01] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: What do you suppose will happen to Perl 5 in 10 years?
[11:54:03] * crutchy is having fun with an object pascal program lately
[11:54:07] <crutchy> strong_typing++
[11:54:07] <Bender> karma - strong_typing: 2
[11:54:40] <crutchy> Subsentient, it will be integrated into systemd :p
[11:54:46] <Subsentient> C has strong typing, despite what some want you to think. Void pointers are a trap door to bypass it, but it must be explicit and it's usually not safe/portable/condoned by the standard.
[11:55:25] <crutchy> pascal has generic pointers. the compiler throws up warnings but doesn't prevent their use
[11:55:32] <crutchy> hell the compiler whinges about pchars
[11:55:46] <Subsentient> crutchy: got some source I can look at?
[11:56:00] <crutchy> you can also typecast as a generic pointer :p
[11:56:46] <crutchy> delphi sources?
[11:56:57] <Subsentient> crutchy: pascal
[11:56:59] <crutchy> not a lot online. https://github.com maybe
[11:57:00] <NotAnymore> ^ 03exec-irc-bot/interface/delphi at master · crutchy-/exec-irc-bot · GitHub
[11:57:12] <cmn32480> ~gday #soylent
[11:57:14] * exec insatiably offers a wine flute of glowballs to #soylent
[11:57:16] <crutchy> delphi is object pascal IDE
[11:57:47] <crutchy> this one is a typical front end source: https://github.com
[11:57:48] <NotAnymore> ^ 03exec-irc-bot/Main.pas at master · crutchy-/exec-irc-bot · GitHub
[11:58:18] <Subsentient> crutchy: what compilers you use for Pascal?
[11:58:48] <crutchy> delphi is proprietary. there's also freepascal/lazarus, which is free
[11:59:06] <crutchy> lazarus is comparable to older versions of delphi (that i still use)
[12:00:00] <Subsentient> crutchy: ahh, I see. I got an old book on Pascal, actually. Wonder how much is still relevant.
[12:00:12] <crutchy> probably most of it :)
[12:00:28] <crutchy> you can still do inline assembly in delphi :p
[12:01:16] <Subsentient> crutchy: you should learn plain old C.
[12:01:17] <crutchy> can still usually compile old pascal programs in newer compilers with minimal tweaking
[12:01:30] <crutchy> i know a little
[12:02:03] <crutchy> i got a high distinction for a unit on C in my uni course years ago
[12:02:14] <crutchy> it was just basic shit though
[12:02:15] <Subsentient> ahh nice
[12:02:31] <Subsentient> I know the C standard very well. It's the language I know the best.
[12:03:09] <Subsentient> I know the following languages in order from best to worst: C, C++, Python, JavaScript, Perl, POSIX shell script.
[12:03:25] <Subsentient> C is still the only language I am "confident" in.
[12:03:38] <crutchy> i do mostly delphi and php
[12:03:56] <crutchy> each has their own uses
[12:04:29] <crutchy> some projects i use both, such as a php rest server for a delphi gui app
[12:05:05] <crutchy> (that source i liked is like that)
[12:05:13] <crutchy> s/liked/linked/
[12:05:13] <sedctl> <crutchy> (that source i linked is like that)
[12:05:31] <Subsentient> crutchy: Doesn't PHP fundamentally change all the time?
[12:05:41] <crutchy> dunno
[12:05:56] <crutchy> there were some minor changes recently
[12:06:03] <Subsentient> Don't, like, PHP 5 to 6, break tons of code?
[12:06:08] <crutchy> nah not really
[12:06:36] <Subsentient> ahh.
[12:06:40] <crutchy> they do deprecate stuff sometimes
[12:06:50] <crutchy> like the old mysql_* library
[12:06:53] <Subsentient> From what I've seen of Perl so far, I imagine I will be embedding a Perl interpreter in C++ applications.
[12:06:58] <crutchy> now you gotta use mysqli or PDO
[12:07:21] <Subsentient> afk 3 mins, gotta drop a fudge bomb.
[12:07:29] <crutchy> lol noice
[12:07:40] <crutchy> i better go get some shuteye anyway
[12:07:45] <crutchy> work tomorrow
[12:07:51] <crutchy> ~g'night Subsentient
[12:07:53] * exec allegedly flings a used franger of broiled hog anus at Subsentient
[12:08:14] <cmn32480> ~gnight crutchy
[12:08:16] * exec spontaneously drops a bucket of Soylent Green on crutchy
[12:08:26] <crutchy> ~g'night cmn32480 o/
[12:08:28] * exec insatiably flings a caravan of toilet water at cmn32480
[12:10:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, re: way back there... it very well may still be being developed and contributed to
[12:11:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean it's been what 15 years or so it's been around right now?
[12:11:23] <cmn32480> coffee++
[12:11:23] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2281
[12:11:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, cmn32480
[12:11:36] <cmn32480> morning TheMightyBuzzard
[12:12:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> afk fer nicotine
[12:19:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:19:08] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2282
[12:21:08] <cmn32480> good idear buzzard
[12:21:17] * cmn32480 fires up the hotel K-Cup machine
[12:21:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> ye gads that's sick n wrong. they think you're going to drink less than a full pot?!
[12:22:17] <cmn32480> I'm in the room
[12:22:25] <cmn32480> still haven't gone downstairs for breakfast
[12:23:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> right but coffee IS breakfast
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[12:24:14] <cmn32480> yes... but it's a hotel
[12:24:24] <cmn32480> downstairs they ahve the big pots.
[12:24:29] <cmn32480> in riim, it is KCups
[12:26:32] <cmn32480> I'll survive buzzard.. I promise
[12:28:09] <cmn32480> gotta go. c you all later
[12:28:18] <cmn32480> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[12:28:20] * exec abnormally offers an anvil of bacon to TheMightyBuzzard
[12:29:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> that is abnormal. normally i get the shit end of the stick from exec.
[12:30:00] <cmn32480> lemme try again
[12:30:03] <cmn32480> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[12:30:05] * exec cohesively cracks open a spoon of red cordial for TheMightyBuzzard
[12:30:09] <cmn32480> feel b etter?
[12:30:20] <cmn32480> ok gotta run
[12:30:23] <cmn32480> bye!
[12:38:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, watch embedding an interpreter. specially if you're using modules other people wrote in your perl. they can get pretty damned hefty if you do stuff in perl you should be doing in C. like MrPlow is running 50-60MB resident on account of him being pure perl and he doesn't have all that much functionality.
[12:53:04] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Yeah, unfortunately I'm aware of the memory problems with interpreted languages. Perl must be a doozey for its own interpreter to parse...
[12:53:25] <Subsentient> Memory issues is partly why I wrote aqu4bot in C.
[12:53:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> depends on how much you plan on doing with it.
[12:54:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> just including like the perlre library is usually enough to get plenty of awesome in a lower level language.
[12:54:12] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: The first thing I'm going to do is completely rewrite my NEXUS BNC in Perl and give it a new name. The codebase for NEXUS is a lost cause.
[12:54:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah?
[12:54:32] <Subsentient> Yeah, it's hideous beyond description.
[12:54:52] <Subsentient> I transferred it to C++, thinking that some of the namespace stuff etc might help me to save it, but fuck it, it's unholy.
[12:55:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> bummer
[12:57:21] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Know all those times I disconnect? I don't ever close NEXUS. It *crashes*.
[12:57:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh fun
[12:57:41] <Subsentient> So yeah, usually with a segfault or a broken pipe
[12:57:49] <Subsentient> So it's gonna get en-Perl-inated.
[12:57:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> considered just using our znc server? it does the same thing mostly.
[12:58:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean you can be connected with multiple clients and they all get stuff sent to them.
[12:58:33] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: I'm also in Freenode and occasionally other networks. And, despite the terrible code, NEXUS is good at merging multiple simultanious clients seamlessly.
[12:58:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh
[12:59:00] <Subsentient> it also has scrollback, NEXUS_CONTROL command nickname, etc
[12:59:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> fair warning, the IRC module dependencies are the majority of what hogs up ram on MrPlow
[13:00:14] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: I don't do that pansy ass shit. I'll just write it using socket calls. I notice Perl doesn't need a module for raw socket access, unlike python.
[13:00:40] <Subsentient> aqu4bot's IRC core was written from scratch, and NEXUS shares some code from aqu4bot for that reason.
[13:01:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> roger
[13:02:04] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: In Python, everyone says "ohh, just use Twisted for networking, not the socket module!". It's an EXTERNAL DEPENDENCY. There are few things I hate more than dependencies.
[13:02:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> me, i don't like reinventing the wheel if i don't have a pressing reason to so i used the modules.
[13:02:51] <Subsentient> I have a good understanding of the IRC protocol, so it's not hard for me to do it myself, and usually a lot more efficient.
[13:03:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. i haven't bothered with low level IRC stuff since i was a wee little hacker douche back in the 90s
[13:03:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> bit out of my wheelhouse nowadays
[13:07:13] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: :^)
[13:07:44] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: I like IRC's protocol. It's a nice little text protocol. Compared to the living hell of Warzone 2100's binary lobby protocol, eeeeuuuuggghhh, it's heaven.
[13:09:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> personally, i'm not a low level protocol enjoying person anymore. hate having to figure out stuff that someone's already shared a solid way to deal with.
[13:10:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean it's a good way to sink your teeth into a new language but it's not something i do for fun.
[13:10:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> or ever on a production system.
[13:14:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> blerg, i got a lot of removing of code to do today.
[14:09:01] <paulej72> coffee++
[14:09:01] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2283
[14:09:15] <paulej72> enough coffee on board to think
[14:28:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Ponder the Prospect of Contagious Cancer - http://sylnt.us - undivided-attention
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[15:09:46] <exec> 05*** SN funding is currently $697
[15:15:27] <Runaway1956> http://www.techrepublic.com
[15:15:27] <NotAnymore> ^ 03Why Linux creator Linus Torvalds doesn't really care about open source - TechRepublic
[15:15:57] <Runaway1956> I'm reading that article, trying to figure exactly what the propaganda slant is on it - something ain't right with it.
[15:17:07] <SoyCow01010110> Well. Linus doesn't appear to care much for politics of any kind. Open source does tend to carry those around whereever it goes.
[15:17:13] <Runaway1956> Sometimes, you can repeat what another person has said, but make it mean something different.
[15:18:03] <Runaway1956> Yeah, but, one line in the article bugs me - "Software doesn't want to be free, necessarily."
[15:18:14] <Runaway1956> There's something of a spin in that.
[15:18:15] <SoyCow01010110> I've read that he open sourced the kernel to gather feedback and to have it available for peer review[to find bugs]
[15:18:32] <Runaway1956> Yep.
[15:19:10] <Runaway1956> He also states quite clearly, he doesn't give a damn what anyone else does with the software - that is, no one needs to pay him, or ask permission to use it, or anything like that
[15:19:17] <SoyCow01010110> Software being an inanimate object. I doubt it 'wants' anything.
[15:19:46] <SoyCow01010110> The people who write it sure do want different things.
[15:19:47] <Runaway1956> So, politics or not, he's bought into more than 80% of the open source philosophy.
[15:20:42] <Runaway1956> Good article, despite my suspicion of a spin.
[15:23:46] <SoyCow01010110> Skepticism is an appropriate lens for most news sources. Soylent included.
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[15:59:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Seems Like Everyone has an Opinion About Apple vs. the FBI - http://sylnt.us - unlock-iphones-with-this-one-weird-hack
[16:19:10] <Runaway1956> Ehhhhh - minor surgery on the wife's computer. It's been overheating and shutting down. Open it up, frigging mainboard is hot, right in the vicinity of the CPU.
[16:19:28] <Runaway1956> I look at stuff, she has a cheap imitation of a good heat sink.
[16:19:46] <Runaway1956> Grab an old but reliable Thermaltake, tell her I want to install it.
[16:20:13] <Runaway1956> Pull her old heat sink loose, and she only has about 60% coverage of Arctic Silver.
[16:20:16] <Runaway1956> DUHHH!
[16:20:58] <Runaway1956> I put "excessive" Arctic Silver on both the CPU and the heat sink, put it in place, lift it up, and I can SEE that I have adequate coverage.
[16:21:22] <Runaway1956> Ten minutes uptime now, and the computer is running as cool as can be expected - maybe 120 F
[16:21:45] <Runaway1956> Moral of the story: Don't buy cheap components, and double check every stage of assembly.
[16:23:19] <Runaway1956> Oh - one more point. She takes pride in the fact that she builds her own computers from components. I guess the cheap heat sink might have been adequate, if only she had proper paste coverage.
[17:30:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Use Metric Already: A Story of Lumber Liquidators and Cancer - http://sylnt.us - give-them-an-inch-and-they'll-take-a-kilometer
[17:32:03] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[17:56:22] <Bytram> If it just had better processing power... http://www.theregister.co.uk
[17:56:23] <NotAnymore> ^ 03Intel shows budget Android phone powering big-screen Linux • The Register
[18:02:18] <takyon> it's the same thing as Ubuntu Edge
[18:02:38] <takyon> Ubuntu could have made this concept POPULAR if it had set a lower funding goal
[18:03:22] <takyon> now those same specs that were high-end in 2013 when Ubuntu Edge went on the crowdbeg circuit are mainstream! 4 GB of RAM can be found on the high-end smartphones
[18:10:35] <AndyTheAbsurd> I have a definitely-not-high-end smartphone and it's got 3GB of RAM.
[18:11:07] <takyon> I think there is a dividing line between 3 and 4 GB of RAM
[18:11:29] <takyon> http://www.anandtech.com
[18:11:30] <NotAnymore> ^ 03Hands On With the Samsung Galaxy S7 and S7 edge
[18:11:35] <AndyTheAbsurd> I saw that some of the phones that came out at MWC had 4GB and they'll only be "high-end" for about a year at best.
[18:12:11] <AndyTheAbsurd> Next year and the year after we might get 6GB and 8GB of RAM in phones.
[18:12:12] <takyon> probably, but it's still pretty high end. Galaxy S7 is no slouch if you are buying it without a contract
[18:12:39] <takyon> well I've written a story about how recent LPDDR density increases could get us to 6 and 8
[18:13:02] <takyon> https://soylentnews.org
[18:13:03] <NotAnymore> ^ 03SN article:  Samsung Announces 12Gb LPDDR4 DRAM, Could Enable Smartphones With 6 GB of RAM 04(24 comments)
[18:13:47] * Bytram remembers looking at the memory on the first computer he worked on; it had magnetic cores and one could easily see each individual bit and the three wires going through each of them.
[18:13:50] <Bytram> progress++
[18:13:50] <Bender> karma - progress: 3
[18:14:25] <takyon> now you need microscopic eye implants
[18:14:33] <takyon> that implant a microscope in your eye
[18:14:35] <Bytram> and to think that original system had about 32KB of storage and it was multi-user.
[18:14:58] <AndyTheAbsurd> I'd love a phone that had dual full-sized SD slots for additional internal storage and sold standard with a dock that allowed it connect to a DVI or HDMI monitor and USB peripherals/additional storage so that it could function as a desktop at home and a tablet/phone everywhere else.
[18:15:10] <AndyTheAbsurd> Additional docks being reasonably priced would be a nice bonus.
[18:15:18] <Bytram> then again, access was through an accoustically coupled telephone at about 100 baud using a teletype with the spoolof yellow paper!
[18:16:11] <Bytram> AndyTheAbsurd: NOW you're talking, except google, apple, microsoft, and their ilk would prefer for you to store everything in their cloud where they can scrape and mine it
[18:17:24] <Bytram> and, on an entirely different scale, here is a story about detecting a Fast Radio Burst (FRB) in a galaxy 6 Billion Light Years away.
[18:17:26] <Bytram> http://phys.org
[18:17:27] <NotAnymore> ^ 03New fast radio burst discovery finds 'missing matter' in the universe
[18:17:35] <AndyTheAbsurd> Bytram: I don't believe in "the cloud" for most things. (E-mail is the prominent exception.)
[18:17:55] <Bytram> yep, I prefer to keep my hands on my data.
[18:19:21] <Bytram> time to look at submissions and stories for the site.
[18:36:41] <Bytram> https://translate.google.com
[18:36:42] <NotAnymore> ^ 03Google Translate
[18:41:19] <AndyTheAbsurd> apparently "aufpassen" is irregular conjugation in German.
[18:51:04] <Bytram> has been WAAY too long since I studied German. :/
[18:51:28] <AndyTheAbsurd> closing in on twenty years for me
[18:51:58] <Bytram> btw, am working on a story... for the ransomware program, is it "CTB-Crypt" or "CTB-Locker" or something else?
[18:52:12] <AndyTheAbsurd> took it through high school, forgot most of it shortly afterwards, can muddle my way through the few words/sentences I can remember.
[18:53:40] <dyingtolive> sup all
[18:53:45] <Bytram> same here, and that was along time ago, otoh, had a couple week-long business trips there nearly 20 years later and could carry on a conversation reasonably well enough. and that was a while ago, too.
[18:54:04] <Bytram> up is the direction that I have never managed to fall.
[18:54:56] <Bytram> =)
[18:56:01] <Bytram> afk biab
[19:01:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Judge Didn't Get the Memo: Rules No Right to Photograph Police - http://sylnt.us - picture-is-worth-a-thousand-words
[19:15:20] <takyon> http://www.anandtech.com
[19:15:21] <NotAnymore> ^ 03Mushkin Impact 256GB and Atom 128GB USB Flash Drives Capsule Review
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[19:34:14] <Bytram> http://arstechnica.com
[19:34:14] <NotAnymore> ^ 03Judge confirms what many suspected: Feds hired CMU to break Tor | Ars Technica
[19:40:41] <Bytram> http://www.pnas.org
[19:41:00] <Bytram> http://phys.org
[19:41:14] * Bytram nudges NotAnymore
[19:41:33] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[19:41:56] * Bytram deduces that NotAnymore is not working any more. :/
[19:43:50] <takyon> submit that ars article
[19:43:59] <Bytram> k
[19:45:47] * Bytram just clicked submit on a story about microsfot to buy xamarin
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[20:40:00] * Bytram waves a friendly hello to crutchy
[20:40:11] <crutchy> g'day
[20:48:51] <crutchy> hmm. interesting article in an otherwise shitty news website: http://www.heraldsun.com.au
[20:49:20] <crutchy> ~title http://www.heraldsun.com.au
[20:49:32] * chromas blames that penis link
[20:49:36] <chromas> pnas
[20:49:37] <exec> 13Subscribe to the Herald Sun - 03http://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/index.html?sourceCode=HSWEB_WRE170_a&mode=premium&dest=http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/why-you-dont-donate-clothes-after-a-natural-disaster/news-story/9b5caf3627b462126d8fe0252962f750?nk=b1f21c51a1876d5c5816bbb36923ff9f-1456346963&memtype=anonymous
[20:49:58] <crutchy> yeah herald sun is definitely on the shitty list for redirects, cookies and whatnot
[20:51:08] <crutchy> anyway, off to workipoos. cyas
[20:51:19] <Bytram> crutchy: have a great day!
[20:51:23] <Bytram> ~weather crutchy
[20:51:25] <exec> 10Traralgon VIC - currently 65°F, partly cloudy, wind W at 2 mph, humidity 87% - Thursday partly cloudy (59°F:86°F), Friday partly cloudy (53°F:76°F), Saturday mostly sunny (55°F:81°F), Sunday mostly sunny (56°F:82°F)
[20:51:39] <Bytram> positively balmy!
[20:51:43] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[20:51:44] <exec> 10Boston, MA, USA - currently 41°F, light rain showers, wind N at 8 mph, humidity 100% - Wednesday rain (49°F:50°F), Thursday showers (34°F:56°F), Friday cloudy (21°F:38°F), Saturday sunny (32°F:41°F)
[20:51:47] <Bytram> ~weather portland me
[20:51:49] <exec> 10Portland, ME, USA - currently 34°F, light rain showers, wind NE at 10 mph, humidity 97% - Wednesday rain (37°F:36°F), Thursday scattered showers (29°F:50°F), Friday cloudy (13°F:35°F), Saturday sunny (29°F:36°F)
[20:51:52] <Bytram> ~weather presque isle
[20:51:54] <exec> 10Presque Isle, ME, USA - currently 29°F, snow, wind N at 7 mph, humidity 88% - Wednesday snow with brief sleet (31°F:30°F), Thursday showers (30°F:49°F), Friday cloudy (4°F:31°F), Saturday mostly sunny (21°F:30°F)
[20:54:49] <Bytram> #submit http://phys.org "A team of University of Texas at Arlington chemists and engineers have proven that concentrated light, heat and high pressures can drive the one-step conversion of carbon dioxide and water directly into useable liquid hydrocarbon fuels.
[20:54:50] <Bytram> This simple and inexpensive new sustainable fuels technology could potentially help limit global warming by removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere to make fuel. The process also reverts oxygen back into the system as a byproduct of the reaction, with a clear positive environmental impact, researchers said."
[20:54:51] <MrPlow> Submitting. Be patient, there's a mandatory delay
[20:55:13] <Bytram> hmmm, newline got lost in submittal -- gotta remember that for next time.
[20:55:21] <MrPlow> Story submitted. https://soylentnews.org
[20:55:56] <takyon> if it was too long it would be split anyway
[20:56:18] <Bytram> nod nod; next time tho, I'll replace the CRLF with a <p>
[20:57:58] <takyon> https://photographyisnotacrime.com
[20:57:59] <NotAnymore> ^ 03Ohio Cop Convicted Of Raping 16-Year-Old Girl Hours After Taking Course on How Not to Rape - PINAC News
[20:58:18] <chromas> what?
[20:58:23] <AndyTheAbsurd> Obviously he wasn't paying attention in class.
[20:58:29] <chromas> even teaching men not to rape doesn't work?
[20:58:38] * chromas assumes rape is the default
[20:59:34] <takyon> wherever you go
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[21:00:30] <chromas> no means yes
[21:01:10] <chromas> women's most common fantasy is just an artifact of the patriarchy
[21:03:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ford Quits Climate-Denying Lobby Group - http://sylnt.us - and-the-climates-rejoiced
[21:04:48] <takyon> http://www.tomshardware.com
[21:04:49] <NotAnymore> ^ 03More Gameplay Footage Revealed For 'Dark Souls III'
[21:27:04] <Subsentient> wow. cut that cop's cock off and stuff it down his throat.
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[21:41:21] <chromas> "more than twice the .08 legal limit."
[21:41:32] <chromas> there's a limit to bac?
[21:41:39] <chromas> like closeting while intoxicated?
[21:42:53] <chromas> s/loset/url/
[21:42:53] <sedctl> <chromas> like curling while intoxicated?
[21:43:34] <Gravis> chromas: no no, that's definately closeting
[21:44:18] <chromas> also, "forcing her petite body onto his muscular frame, an allegation she denied in court"
[21:44:28] <chromas> obviously, the part she denied was his muscularity
[21:44:53] <chromas> as a cop, he's probably got a gut big as pregnancy
[21:48:57] <Bytram> https://www.technologyreview.com
[21:48:59] <NotAnymore> ^ 03Google Unveils Neural Network with “Superhuman” Ability to Determine the Location of Almost Any Image
[21:49:36] * Bytram submits a picture of a red stapler
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[22:22:28] * Subsentient farts
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[22:23:10] * Subsentient pokes nick
[22:27:33] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: your "never gonna happen" just got a little shorter: https://www.youtube.com
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[22:27:33] <NotAnymore> ^ 03Atlas, The Next Generation - YouTube
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[22:34:33] <Bytram|away> nap time; laters, everyone.
[22:34:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Prosecutors Say Corrupt Silk Road Agent has Co-Conspirators at Large - http://sylnt.us - who-investigates-the-investigators
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[22:35:21] <Gravis> the sky is angry!
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[22:35:25] <Gravis> ~weather hell
[22:35:27] <exec> 10Washington, DC, USA - currently 63°F / 17°C, cloudy, wind SE at 17 mph, humidity 89% - Wednesday isolated thunderstorms (46°F:64°F / 8°C:18°C), Thursday cloudy (31°F:50°F / -1°C:10°C), Friday cloudy (26°F:41°F / -3°C:5°C), Saturday partly cloudy (32°F:46°F / 0°C:8°C)
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[22:36:30] <Gravis> who angered the sky god?!
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[22:47:08] <Gravis> "isolated" my ass, that was a serious thunderstorm
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[22:47:54] <Gravis> nick: would you like to be +v a few more times by Imogen ;)
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[22:52:37] <cmn32480> ~gday #soylent
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[22:52:56] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~gday cmn32480
[22:52:58] * exec diabolically offers a bucket of NCommander to cmn32480
[22:53:08] <cmn32480> How goes AndyTheAbsurd?
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[22:55:05] <AndyTheAbsurd> not bad I guess
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[22:55:25] <AndyTheAbsurd> this popcorn has too much....flavor carrier?....on it.
[22:55:30] <cmn32480> that certainly neats "shitty beyond belief"
[22:55:38] <AndyTheAbsurd> But it's cinnamon roll flavor which is kinda neat.
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[23:06:05] <takyon> yikes @soyguest
[23:06:24] <cmn32480> ever wanna raeach out and punch someone?
[23:06:29] <takyon> Gravis: I submitted a story about that Atlas robot
[23:06:32] <cmn32480> other than mne, I mean
[23:06:44] <takyon> cmn32480: Look at the photographing the police story and you tell me
[23:06:55] <cmn32480> fair enough
[23:07:01] <takyon> I mean the comments
[23:07:07] <cmn32480> I read that already... and was considering giving you a -1 Overrated mod...
[23:07:27] <takyon> fuck you too
[23:07:33] <takyon> want to test my extension?
[23:08:32] <takyon> it adds submission draft capability. I want it tested by at least one other person trying to break it before I push it out
[23:08:41] <takyon> I don't want to deliver more broken stuff into Gravis's hands
[23:08:55] <paulej72> yem
[23:09:07] <Gravis> takyon: i am the king of breaking things. :)
[23:09:29] <AndyTheAbsurd> Shortest submission ever? https://twitter.com
[23:09:30] <NotAnymore> ^ 03Coraline Ada Ehmke on Twitter: "I'm thrilled to announce that I will be joining the team at @github next month to work on community management and anti-harassment tools."
[23:09:38] <takyon> was that a yes, you want it, paulej72?
[23:09:42] <AndyTheAbsurd> Sure to get TheMightyBuzzard riled up!
[23:10:00] <paulej72> yum
[23:10:08] <paulej72> not yes
[23:10:09] <takyon> is that the submission? that's how it should be posted
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[23:10:22] * paulej72 is eating dinner
[23:10:43] <cmn32480> AndyTheAbsurd, definetly sub that
[23:10:46] <Gravis> "CoralineAda has 104 repositories written in Ruby, JavaScript, and CSS" <-- eww
[23:10:47] <takyon> you should get the webcam and charge us to watch you eat dinneer
[23:10:48] <cmn32480> beat TMB to it
[23:11:08] <takyon> I hope CSS4 will be Turing-complete
[23:12:00] <Gravis> takyon: i just want it to be able to handle just enough so that javascript is only needed for nefarious scripting
[23:12:29] * cmn32480 is gonna shower before dinner
[23:12:35] <takyon> on that note Gravis, the site crew are trying to make comment expansion/minimization using pure CSS
[23:12:49] <cmn32480> where can I get a copy takyon? v11 in your journal or you wanna email it to me?
[23:13:00] <takyon> i'll email it to you
[23:13:09] <cmn32480> 10-4. I'll lok at it after dinner
[23:13:44] <Gravis> takyon: for some reason, the expand/contract buttons disappear if i login to SN
[23:14:06] <takyon> that's whack. do you allow scripts on SoylentNews?
[23:14:55] <Gravis> takyon: it even happens in incognito mode
[23:15:21] <Gravis> takyon: everything normal, just logon and poof they are gone
[23:15:47] <takyon> so you've been going without comment expansion features for weeks? or just browse at -1?
[23:16:04] <Gravis> takyon: weeks? it's been like this since i joined
[23:16:17] <takyon> ehehh. many weeks
[23:16:23] <Gravis> months
[23:16:28] <paulej72> Gravis: is you mode set to Improved threaded?
[23:17:34] <paulej72> Gravis your mode is set to nested which does not have collapsed comments
[23:18:21] <AndyTheAbsurd> cmn32480: subbed...mostly by pasting in the relevant parts of my IRC log.
[23:18:22] <Gravis> paulej72: how do i change it?
[23:18:52] <Gravis> found it
[23:19:20] <Gravis> paulej72: so why is it that nested doesn't let you collapse comments?
[23:19:28] <paulej72> go in to any atricle and and just above comment selcext Improved treaded and check save and cahnge
[23:20:12] <paulej72> becasue we only added the js to improved threaded. The new version works for all modes, but we only have three. flat threaded and no comments
[23:20:39] <paulej72> we really can't tell the difference between threaded and nested
[23:20:41] <Gravis> well... wtf does nested mode do?
[23:20:49] <paulej72> exactly
[23:20:56] <Gravis> ok... wtf
[23:21:17] <Gravis> i think nested was just the default at the time. you need some damn descriptions for the modes
[23:21:43] <takyon> that makes sense. I've used these settings: http://puu.sh
[23:22:12] <takyon> how does your brand new SoylentNews experience feel Gravis?
[23:22:42] <paulej72> Gravis: when we added improved threaded we switched eveyone that was on the old default of threaded to the new version
[23:26:30] <takyon> Gravis is completely floored. It's like the whole universe has opened up to him
[23:27:06] <paulej72> mmmmmsmmsmsmms
[23:27:48] <paulej72> tea++
[23:27:48] <Bender> karma - tea: 537
[23:28:31] <takyon> beer++
[23:28:31] <Bender> karma - beer: 52
[23:29:09] <takyon> caffeine, drug of choice for #soylent
[23:29:21] <takyon> (coffee has even more karma)
[23:29:35] <paulej72> decaf++
[23:29:35] <Bender> karma - decaf: 4
[23:29:52] <paulej72> I can't do caffeine
[23:30:06] <paulej72> my ticker doesn't care for it
[23:30:44] <Gravis> takyon: just busy
[23:31:50] <AndyTheAbsurd> #submit http://thehackernews.com
[23:31:50] <MrPlow> Unable to get a description from that page
[23:32:02] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~submit http://thehackernews.com
[23:32:13] <exec> error: description meta content not found or empty
[23:32:39] <AndyTheAbsurd> sonofabitch
[23:32:59] * AndyTheAbsurd is too lazy right now to write up a decent sub himself for that
[23:33:29] <takyon> I posted in the comments of the previous apple article
[23:33:38] <takyon> the number is actually 13 apparently
[23:46:38] <Gravis> takyon: it's nice but i wish clicking or double clicking the red subject bar would expand/collapse messages
[23:47:09] <Gravis> takyon: the same was it does with some window managers
[23:47:50] <takyon> I'm seeing if I can make a script just for you, Gravis, to make that happen
[23:47:54] <takyon> give me a couple minutes
[23:48:26] <Gravis> takyon: pandering will get you... everywhere.
[23:49:16] <takyon> it's not too obvious in chrome's HTML inspector, might load it up in firefox instead
[23:49:34] * chromas wonders what pandering to Gravis could possibly get anyone ;)
[23:49:58] <takyon> actually I'm betting it's an eventlistener, which is why i'm not seeing an attribute
[23:50:04] <Gravis> odd... i thought the ole buzzards of SN would have downmodded me. https://soylentnews.org
[23:50:05] <NotAnymore> ^ 03SN comment by [02Gravis (4596)] (02Score:4, Insightful)
[23:50:13] <takyon> I just want to copy the eventlistener from +/- to the title bar
[23:50:20] <takyon> nah that was a good comment
[23:51:23] <Gravis> takyon: you know... when you say things like that... i just hurts me.
[23:51:45] <Gravis> ;)
[23:51:45] <takyon> you wanted the downmod but we weren't willing
[23:51:52] <takyon> you wanted the d
[23:53:09] <Gravis> takyon: nah... i just don't react well to positive feedback.
[23:54:22] <Gravis> "thanks for helping me! the world needs more people like you." "fuck off, you loon!"
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[23:57:31] <takyon> well i found out where the little image is added in "collapsible_comments.js"