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[00:01:06] <paulej72> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[00:06:59] <cmn32480> fatphil - check out www.svtea.com I've gotten some really good stuff from them in the past as free samples (they are a customer of my company)
[00:09:41] <cmn32480> not sure how the prices stack up, but the tea is really good
[00:10:03] <paulej72> tea++
[00:10:03] <Bender> karma - tea: 531
[00:10:18] <cmn32480> or, if you prefer...
[00:10:21] <cmn32480> coffee--
[00:10:21] <Bender> karma - tea: 532
[00:13:17] <cmn32480> ~gday #soylent
[00:13:19] * exec fanatically postulates a coffee++ mug of pancakes towards #soylent
[00:13:50] <paulej72> kdsjklajkladskljasdlkjdsajkldskl;dsafkldsafjkldfsjkldsafjkldsflkjdsfjkldsfa
[00:14:04] <paulej72> hhhhhhh
[00:14:09] <paulej72> hhhrrrm
[00:14:15] <SirFinkus> windows?
[00:14:19] <paulej72> bllaaah
[00:14:27] <cmn32480> paulej72 - your cat is on the keyboard again
[00:14:32] <paulej72> nope thats how I feel tonight
[00:14:43] <cmn32480> you feel gibberish?
[00:14:51] <paulej72> yep
[00:15:22] <cmn32480> I'm oiuawryrhtgpuarghn;vzskldjgjbas;fdjkgbFSDbSDFg'aoizrdshg to hear that
[00:15:23] <SirFinkus> get wasted and post https://www.youtube.com over and over again
[00:15:23] <snowfire> ^✓ 03Panzer rollen in Afrika vor English Subtitle - YouTube
[00:25:59] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[00:25:59] <snowfire> ^ 03ARM Cortex-R8 aka 'Now your hard drive will have a quad-core CPU in it' • The Register
[00:27:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - TED 2016: The Man Making Genes Democratic - BBC News - http://sylnt.us - gene-discrimination
[00:29:18] <takyon> http://www.anandtech.com
[00:29:19] <snowfire> ^ 03ARM Announces New Cortex-R8 Real-Time Processor
[00:30:25] <paulej72> can I pay crysis on it?
[00:31:25] <cmn32480> i wasn't aware that Crysis required micro payments to your hardware
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[00:31:42] <takyon> yeah you sure can play crysis on it
[00:31:53] <takyon> since the Cortex-R8 will be in SSDs
[00:31:57] <takyon> http://www.anandtech.com
[00:31:58] <snowfire> ^ 03NVIDIA Announces Q4 FY 2016 Results: Record Quarter And Record Year
[00:34:13] <takyon> there's been so much reaction to the apple encryption story that I could post a follow up
[00:34:15] <takyon> https://theintercept.com
[00:34:16] <snowfire> ^ 03Apple Leads the Charge on Security, But Who Will Follow?
[00:36:57] <takyon> the story was updated between the two times I looked at it. criticism by Snowden of Google's non-response was in there, now Google's late response is discussed instead
[00:37:39] <takyon> http://www.npr.org
[00:37:40] <snowfire> ^ 03Court: State Department Wrongfully Revoked Passport Of American In Yemen : The Two-Way : NPR
[00:38:45] <cmn32480> you gonna post on the conspiracy theory about Scalia's death?
[00:43:06] <paulej72> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[00:43:07] <snowfire> ^ 03Google to snatch control of Android updates from mobe makers – analysts • The Register
[00:44:39] <takyon> http://www.marketwatch.com
[00:44:42] <snowfire> ^ 03Apple escalates war between Silicon Valley and D.C. - MarketWatch
[00:44:52] <takyon> nah
[00:45:04] <takyon> where the man is, he can sleep with all the pillows he wants on his face
[00:45:12] <takyon> and enjoy obama delivered stealth poison cocktails
[00:45:38] <takyon> more interested in the crypto war, which has gone into overdrive as you can see
[00:46:01] <cmn32480> the apple refusal is huge
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[01:19:03] * cmn32480 makes a pot of coffee++
[01:19:07] <cmn32480> coffee++
[01:19:07] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2240
[01:22:44] <Gravis> now this is interesting stuff: http://hackaday.com
[01:22:45] <snowfire> ^ 03Barcodes that Hack Devices | Hackaday
[01:25:56] <paulej72> Gravis: they are called qr codes
[01:26:04] <paulej72> evil shit
[01:26:13] <Gravis> paulej72: no, just barcodes
[01:26:24] <chromas> Gravis: s/bar/dot/
[01:26:24] <sedctl> <chromas> <Gravis> paulej72: no, just dotcodes
[01:26:34] <Gravis> paulej72: you don't realize that POS hardware is treated like keyboards.
[01:26:49] <cmn32480> they are linear programming codes from the manufacturer
[01:27:04] <Gravis> paulej72: so you can literally say ctrl+R in a barcode
[01:27:12] <cmn32480> yes
[01:27:16] <paulej72> bar encode bobby ;drop table users
[01:27:21] <cmn32480> they are set up in the PC as a USB HID
[01:28:01] <paulej72> can you say win l in a barcode
[01:28:15] <cmn32480> i believe you can
[01:28:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Kennedy School Suggests Removing Big Bills From Circulation to Cut Crime - http://sylnt.us - crumpled-notes
[01:28:29] <cmn32480> F keys
[01:28:44] <cmn32480> all kinds of stuff... but it depends on the barcode symbology
[01:29:04] <cmn32480> the symbology is the language that the code is written in
[01:29:38] * cmn32480 notes for the general fund of knowledge that he works in the barcoding/auto ID industry
[01:31:36] <paulej72> 20's are the most counterfeited so lets get rid of them
[01:32:10] <cmn32480> tell you what... bring all your 20's to my house and I'll turn them in for you
[01:33:29] <paulej72> well inflation is running rampent so before long, 100s will be small bills
[01:33:48] <cmn32480> if you are that concerned.. bring all them too.
[01:33:56] <cmn32480> I'll take one for the team and get rid of them all for you
[01:34:14] <paulej72> I get rid of enough on my own
[01:35:08] <cmn32480> well... the offer is open if you change your mind
[01:35:14] <cmn32480> i'll even barcode them for you
[01:37:44] <paulej72> tea++
[01:37:44] <Bender> karma - tea: 533
[01:37:59] <paulej72> having a decaf chia tea
[01:44:54] <paulej72> drank it all :(
[01:46:10] <Gravis> troll or insightful?! https://soylentnews.org
[01:46:10] <snowfire> ^ 03SN comment by [02Gravis (4596)] (02Score:2, Troll)
[01:51:12] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[01:51:30] <Bytram> !uid
[01:51:30] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6124, owned by gehale
[01:53:06] <Deucalion> Gravis,Neither. Population will plateau. Localised resource shortage may cause issues on that curve up to the plateau. I suspect your Troll moderation on that one is a halo effect from previous comments.
[01:54:23] <paulej72> population will not plateau if we keep feeding the poor children all over the world so they can grow up and have more kids they can't feed
[01:54:50] <Deucalion> Staff don't intervene on moderation other than blatant mod-bombing or inappropriate use of "Spam". You are in the hands of your peers when it comes to moderation.
[01:56:55] <Deucalion> paulej72, in more developed nations, birth rate is typically below replacement rate.... which kinda puts a pin in "eternal growth". The key is edumacation.
[01:57:44] <paulej72> they key is to mix contraceptives with the food we send them :P
[01:58:31] <Deucalion> A stable population level would cause havoc with our financial constructs. But I'd rather deal with that problem than an over-population problem.
[01:58:57] <Gravis> Deucalion: population plateau is only predicted and is dependant on multiple factors
[01:59:07] <paulej72> capitalizm does don't know what to do with stagnate growth
[01:59:25] <Deucalion> The models didn't think that far ahead :)
[01:59:36] <Gravis> paulej72: capitalism is poised to destroy itself. :P
[01:59:45] <Deucalion> Oh good grief
[02:00:00] <paulej72> as long as it does not take me with it I am ok with that
[02:00:28] <Gravis> paulej72: why? the result is much better.
[02:01:05] <Gravis> paulej72: either that or you get a nice like cell of your own. :P
[02:01:06] <paulej72> I mean as long as it does not destory me when it takes itself out I am ok with it
[02:01:32] <Deucalion> Gravis, so what do think would happen if "capitalism" imploded tomorrow?
[02:01:51] <paulej72> capitalism seld destrct would be a very big bang
[02:02:00] <chromas> Depends on the reason for stagnant growth. There's money in coffins and funerals :D
[02:02:05] <Deucalion> depends on the timescale
[02:02:40] <Gravis> Deucalion: if capitalism imploded tomorrow, it would be a lie.
[02:03:46] <Deucalion> Gravis, that makes no sense. you basically just said IF x=1 THEN x!=1 - talk sense man.
[02:03:47] <Gravis> unless someone was giving away free labor bots to everyone which would still take time to have any effect
[02:04:32] <Gravis> Deucalion: i'm saying it's not time for the implosion to begin
[02:06:20] <Gravis> Deucalion: though if a major manufacturing corp said they were laying off a ton of workers soon because they were using robots instead, that would be a sign
[02:06:28] <Deucalion> Says who? I'd say it has already begun... or at least it is creaking at the seams on the verge of. No reason that an implosion needs to be instant or catastrophic.
[02:07:16] <Gravis> Deucalion: one could argue that the implosion was inevitable so it had begun before capitalism even started.
[02:08:38] <Deucalion> In hindsight yes, with full knowledge of all technological advances when theorising the model in use. That assertion would of course be absolute bullshit as we're not walking around magical crystal balls.
[02:09:16] <Gravis> Deucalion: it's a logical deduction
[02:09:50] <Deucalion> In hindsight.... Sherlock. Smoke a pipe and look smug or something.
[02:09:59] <chromas> death is inevitable so it had begun before life even started
[02:10:02] <Gravis> capitalism is a self optimizing system that eventually optimizes out people.
[02:10:19] <Gravis> chromas: exactly.
[02:11:09] <Gravis> Deucalion: it's inevitable that people will be optimized out of capitalism
[02:11:27] <Gravis> Deucalion: that is the implosion
[02:12:00] <Gravis> it's really technology just doing it role
[02:12:09] <Gravis> it's*
[02:12:14] <Gravis> its*
[02:12:20] <Deucalion> If the system optimises out all people... who is left to maintain the currency velocity within the economy? how could there even be an economy is we're all starved to death and no more? No people, no system, no capitalism, nada. I hope you're trolling right now.
[02:12:53] <Gravis> "who is left to maintain the currency velocity within the economy?" <-- this is exactly the cause of it breaking down
[02:13:36] <Gravis> Deucalion: machines will make goods and people won't be able to buy them
[02:14:13] <Gravis> the question is how you will proceed.
[02:15:34] <Gravis> under the current system, only the people that are not optimized out will be buying goods while others die off and a small amount of people make a huge profit.
[02:15:59] <Gravis> but people don't go silently into the night so... riots?
[02:16:29] <chromas> #CarbonLivesMatter
[02:16:34] <Gravis> Deucalion: it's not a matter of if as much as when.
[02:17:08] <Gravis> Deucalion: so... what are your thoughts?
[02:19:47] <Deucalion> Gravis, so these people who own all the robots that make things, how exactly are they going to make "a huge profit" when every other human bar the $choose_percent_here is out of work, starving and has nothing? Do frequent zerohedge.com per chance?
[02:20:07] <Deucalion> Do you*
[02:21:11] <Gravis> Deucalion: because they will be selling to the remaining people with jobs without having to pay but a very few workers. and no, i don't visit zerohedge.
[02:23:03] <Deucalion> Gravis, you're backtracking now. You said that the system would optimise out all humans in the supply chain. Now apparently ~some~ people have jobs and can afford to presumably inflated rates for the robot produced goods given the reduced market size.
[02:23:45] <Gravis> Deucalion: not all jobs can be automated. manufacturing jobs can be automated.
[02:24:43] <Deucalion> Gravis, what do you think can not be automated?
[02:25:22] <Gravis> well... computer programming seems like a pretty safe bet for a while.
[02:25:43] <Gravis> you need really good AI to replace people for that
[02:25:43] <Deucalion> "for a while".... next....
[02:26:29] <Gravis> Deucalion: i'm just talking about why capitalism will implode, not the implosion of all of humanity
[02:27:58] <Gravis> when AI can write it's own code, it's game over bro.
[02:30:10] <Deucalion> Yeah and then Terminators will rule the earth... or something.
[02:31:08] <Gravis> no... that's when humans stop being the most interesting things on the planet
[02:31:23] <Deucalion> were they ever?
[02:31:40] <Gravis> yeah, we cause all the problems! :D
[02:33:09] <Gravis> Deucalion: so, do you think capitalism is going to survive the automation of manufacturing?
[02:33:10] <Deucalion> Earthquakes, floods, tsunamis.... those aren't problems? for e,g,? Or did humans cause all those too
[02:33:44] <chromas> We caused them by our sins :(
[02:33:50] <Deucalion> rofl
[02:33:52] <Gravis> Deucalion: those are human problems. humans cause ecoscale problems.
[02:34:36] <chromas> what, so humans cause human problems? so we're not the most interesting thing on the planet
[02:35:10] <Gravis> chromas: no just human problems, we cause all kinds of problems!
[02:35:28] <Gravis> chromas: we are also trying to leave our little planet
[02:35:34] <chromas> then you're saying earthquakes, floods and tsunamis are human problems?
[02:35:35] <Gravis> that's what makes us interesting
[02:35:36] <Deucalion> Gravis, yes capitalism will survive the automation of manufacturing. That's been going on slowly since the beginning of the industrial revolution.... read back on steam powered looms etc.
[02:36:21] <Gravis> Deucalion: i think the difference is that they were tools to assist manufacturing while now they are tools to replace manufacturing
[02:37:18] <Deucalion> I see no difference. Machines replacing people for hundreds of years... that simple... reduce the workforce.
[02:38:00] <Gravis> Deucalion: so there will be a point where there is less work to do than there are people to do it
[02:38:09] <Bytram> #submit http://www.cnet.com "Google's goggles ogle models"
[02:38:10] <MrPlow> Submitting. Be patient, there's a mandatory delay
[02:38:26] <Deucalion> The technology may be more advanced but the motivation and the end result is exactly the same now as is was in the 19th C
[02:38:34] <chromas> Problematic Illustrated
[02:38:40] <MrPlow> Story submitted. https://soylentnews.org
[02:40:07] <Deucalion> Gravis, and thus we get back to the population plateau thing if people are starving out on the fringes and we continue to educate to reduce birth rates. Capitalism or not, it's going to happen.
[02:40:47] <chromas> borderlands-- # Revolver Barrel does not exist
[02:40:47] <Bender> karma - borderlands: -1
[02:41:21] <Gravis> Deucalion: and when automation makes it easy enough so that anyone can have all their basic needs met without needing to buy anything else?
[02:43:17] <Gravis> i'm not a farmer but if i have a farm run by machines that can raise all the food i need and process it into stuff i eat, i really don't need whatever some jackoff is selling
[02:44:32] <Deucalion> Sheesh, this is circular. Currency velocity stalls in that case. Which as I alluded to some time back would be a bad thing for our current financial setup.
[02:44:33] <chromas> if
[02:44:39] <chromas> what about people in apartments?
[02:44:47] <mythterj> Except the Machine maker, or the guy who owns the maciine maker machines
[02:46:16] <Gravis> chromas: well what if it were so easy that the robots could make lots of food and i just had them bring it to a store to give away for free?
[02:46:46] <Gravis> chromas: alternatively, i hate you apartment people and you all die. :P
[02:47:21] <chromas> I don't live in an apartment. If I did, I wouldn't have a pitchfork to lynch you with when you don't share your vast wealth of free food
[02:47:35] <Deucalion> Gravis, "make food"? like a fucking wizard? xkcd was a "what if" pontification section I believe.
[02:48:13] <Gravis> Deucalion: food is processed. we don't eat raw grains.
[02:48:33] <chromas> We can
[02:48:41] <Deucalion> Gravis, you are welcome to your processed food.
[02:49:13] <Gravis> Deucalion: so you never have bread?
[02:49:58] <Gravis> Deucalion: what about cheese? perhaps pasta?
[02:50:06] <Deucalion> Sure... but I crack every grain between my stony nuts to make the flour. And harvest the yeast from my armpit :P
[02:50:11] <chromas> Bread's for chumps. Real Men®™© eat fistfuls of seeds ripped fresh off the grass
[02:50:33] <Gravis> chromas: we get it, you are homeless, you don't have to rub it in!
[02:50:46] * chromas tests Deucalion's stony nuts for appropriate saltiness
[02:51:00] <chromas> Gravis: on the contrary, I have to rub it out. Stand still
[02:51:04] * Deucalion backs away rapidly..... wtf?
[02:51:34] <Gravis> chromas: your homelessness is not doing yourself any favors
[02:52:09] <chromas> Well I can't afford a house. Your free robots took muh jerb so I can't pay rent
[02:52:37] <Gravis> Deucalion: "Sure... but I crack every grain between my stony nuts to make the flour" <-- this implies you are processing your own food.
[02:53:26] <Gravis> chromas: i literally gave you a house building robot, building materials and a huge plot of land. what happened?!
[02:53:50] <chromas> where'd you get the land? robots don't fabricate land out of nowhere
[02:53:51] <Deucalion> chromas, your house took muh rent and now I can't afford the repayments on my stony nuts, so I have no flowers to makes bread. Now I starve.
[02:54:01] * SirFinkus is listening to Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band — Moonlight on Vermont, from the album Trout Mask Replica
[02:54:03] <SirFinkus> evening folks
[02:54:16] <chromas> beeffart?
[02:54:18] <chromas> or bee fart?
[02:54:31] <SirFinkus> beefheart
[02:54:32] * chromas lowers the classiness index of the channel by 1
[02:54:40] <SirFinkus> impossible
[02:54:41] <cmn32480> ~gnight 3soylent
[02:54:44] * exec spontaneously flings a pair of used panties full of pancakes at 3soylent
[02:54:49] <Gravis> chromas: he confirms, it's a bee fart.
[02:54:59] <Deucalion> Evening SirFinkus. Hope all is well.
[02:55:11] <SirFinkus> s'all right
[02:55:17] <SirFinkus> actually had fun in anthro today
[02:55:21] <SirFinkus> and I got tomorrow off
[02:55:22] <chromas> SirFinkus: it's okay; it's a signed int
[02:55:31] <Deucalion> anthro?
[02:55:35] <SirFinkus> anthropology
[02:56:20] <chromas> Aeministing Through Anthropology 99
[02:56:21] <SirFinkus> had to sell off my three daughters to classmates, 2 married their cousins, and one married the rich family
[02:56:26] <chromas> s/A/F/
[02:56:26] <sedctl> <chromas> Feministing Through Anthropology 99
[02:56:43] <chromas> were you doing bible class?
[02:56:46] <SirFinkus> so my group won
[02:56:58] <SirFinkus> bible? you intolerant shitlord
[02:56:59] <Deucalion> Oh yeah, I keep forgetting, you're in the learning stage rather than the cynical old bastard phase of life :D
[02:57:01] <Gravis> <chromas> Feministing Through Anthropology 99
[02:57:06] <SirFinkus> lolno
[02:57:19] <SirFinkus> I've been a cynical bastard for ages
[02:57:31] <Gravis> s/emin/
[02:57:31] * sedctl tosses a / to Grives
[02:57:31] <chromas> Gravis: I've seen that before
[02:57:38] <Gravis> s/emin//
[02:57:38] <sedctl> <Gravis> <chromas> Fisting Through Anthropology 99
[02:57:42] <Gravis> lol
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[02:57:51] <chromas> ah now I geddit
[02:57:55] <Deucalion> Best way to be... cynical combined with learning.... /me buys a DeLorean
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[02:58:44] <chromas> Deucalion: do you happen to have a high school boy hanging out at your house before school?
[02:59:19] <SirFinkus> it was based on Bedouin marriage practices
[02:59:20] <Deucalion> chromas, not that I've noticed. Should I get up early specifically to look for one?
[02:59:22] <Gravis> chromas: didn't you get arrested for something like that
[02:59:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Ways to Construct Contactless Magnetic Gears - http://sylnt.us - attractive-possibilities
[02:59:36] <SirFinkus> not if you aren't fucking him Gravis
[03:00:07] <Gravis> SirFinkus: duh, why do you think he got arrested.
[03:00:22] <SirFinkus> oh, I misparsed that
[03:00:27] * Deucalion detects a Southward trajectory... heads for the door.... don't forget to tip your waitress.
[03:00:35] <SirFinkus> I thought it was the pictures though...
[03:00:47] <SirFinkus> sorry Deucalion, but it wasn't my fault this time
[03:00:50] <SirFinkus> honest
[03:01:13] * SirFinkus is listening to Budgie — Breadfan, from the album Never Turn Your Back On A Friend
[03:01:16] <SirFinkus> awesome guitar riff
[03:01:17] * Gravis reverses the polarity... of Earth
[03:01:23] <SirFinkus> this band should have been bigger
[03:01:28] <Gravis> good luck to that jerk. :P
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[03:02:09] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[03:02:09] <snowfire> ^ 03BUDGIE - BREADFAN - YouTube
[03:02:15] <SirFinkus> I love the pick noise
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[03:26:57] <Bytram|away> g'night everyone!
[03:29:29] * chromas switches from folding@home to indexing all the porn on the internet
[03:29:51] <SirFinkus> an even more daunting task
[03:32:20] <chromas> fapping@home
[03:44:43] <SirFinkus> better than fapping in public
[03:44:47] <SirFinkus> trust me
[04:30:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A Living, Breathing Textile Aims to Enhance Athletic Performance - http://sylnt.us - space-age-materials
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[05:38:23] * FatPhil freaking loves Budgie Breadfan
[05:38:51] <FatPhil> I won't play it, as g/f's still asleep-ish
[05:39:08] <SirFinkus> yeah, it's a good riff
[05:39:53] <FatPhil> Ahhh, the songs that Metallica would cover without paying the royalties that were due...
[05:40:16] <SirFinkus> metallica can't even play their own songs
[05:40:31] <SirFinkus> should concentrate on that rather than covering other people's songs
[05:41:06] <SirFinkus> Japanese band covered it too, did a pretty good job https://www.youtube.com
[05:41:06] <snowfire> ^ 03人間椅子「針の山」（「疾風怒濤～人間椅子ライブ!ライブ!!」より）[フル] - YouTube
[05:42:34] * SirFinkus likes the wah in the solos in the Japanese version
[05:44:45] <FatPhil> ewww, it's good, but they've changed the scansion in quite a few places
[05:45:22] <FatPhil> I certainly do like the 60s-influenced guitar sound
[05:45:22] <SirFinkus> probably kind of had to
[05:45:36] <SirFinkus> different languages and all
[05:46:33] <FatPhil> One of our company's contracts was to transate a pun-laden company's company song from Finnish to English, and maintain rhythm and rhyme structure.
[05:46:46] <FatPhil> And preserve the puns too, of course.
[05:46:58] <SirFinkus> sounds like a nightmare
[05:47:09] <FatPhil> That was quite a well-paying job, and they were very impressed with the results.
[05:47:36] <SirFinkus> they completely changed the lyrical content, basically just used the riff
[05:47:43] <FatPhil> however, it's right up my g/f's street, she's extremely literate
[05:48:05] <FatPhil> Hahhaah - now this guy has a sense of humour: www.jebbush.com
[05:48:19] <fffd> didnt know company songs where a thing in my country :)
[05:49:15] <SirFinkus> I wish I was an oscar meyer weiner
[05:50:08] <FatPhil> well, they aren't really, but it's a company with a reasonable presence overseas, and maybe they felt that they needed one to be properly international.
[05:50:25] <SirFinkus> that's a depressing song when I think of it https://www.youtube.com
[05:50:26] <snowfire> ^ 03Oscar Mayer Wiener 1965 Commercial (one of America's Best Ads) - YouTube
[05:50:34] <fffd> hehe
[05:50:39] <SirFinkus> "good meat flavor"
[05:50:47] <FatPhil> Having said that, it was to the tune of a humppa (bloody humppa)
[05:50:57] <SirFinkus> "all meat"
[05:51:06] <SirFinkus> "rich and complete all meat protein"
[05:51:17] <fffd> bet the english people like that kind of music
[05:52:02] * SirFinkus prefers korpiklaani
[05:52:21] <SirFinkus> which is basically that with distorted guitars, but w/e
[05:52:27] <fffd> is that those guys that do metal music on violins etc
[05:52:32] <SirFinkus> yes
[05:52:41] <fffd> :)
[05:53:20] <FatPhil> I first saw Korpiklaani when they were Shamen
[05:53:37] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[05:53:38] <snowfire> ^ 03Korpiklaani - Ievan Polkka [Lyrics] - YouTube
[05:53:43] <FatPhil> Lots of beer references in the songs - and very funny videos.
[05:53:59] <fffd> well, its finland, no alcohol references would be suspicious
[05:54:03] <SirFinkus> they have at least one song about booze on each of their albums
[05:55:14] <SirFinkus> Vodka, Bring Us Pints of Beer, Wooden Pints, Happy Little Boozer, Let's Drink, Tequila, Beer Beer
[05:55:23] <SirFinkus> and those are just the english ones
[05:55:32] <fffd> :p
[05:55:50] <SirFinkus> Also, of course, Cottages and Saunas, but drinking is just implied there
[05:56:03] <FatPhil> whenever we go to folk metal gigs, we always bring our wooden pints
[05:56:04] <fffd> well, what else would you do in a cottage
[05:57:14] <FatPhil> shit in an outdoor toilet?
[05:57:40] <FatPhil> get stung my mosquitos?
[05:58:01] <FatPhil> on your arse, or worse, whilst taking a shit in an outdoor toilet
[05:58:25] <FatPhil> I think this is my fave vid: youtube.com/watch?v=OIc4VHxU7iM
[05:58:30] <SirFinkus> a classic
[05:58:31] <fffd> yes, if you manage to make it to the outdoor toilet in time of course
[05:58:38] * SirFinkus recognized the url
[05:58:57] <SirFinkus> wooden pints?
[05:59:03] <SirFinkus> yup
[05:59:35] <SirFinkus> the guy beating the drum always makes me laugh my ass off because he's so much more enthusiastic about it than the rest of the band
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[06:01:26] <FatPhil> Jonne (singer) is pretty enthusiastic too
[06:01:35] <SirFinkus> awesome live
[06:01:48] <SirFinkus> but can't hold a finger to Masha from Arkona
[06:01:58] <FatPhil> he kicked my beer over in Turku once as he was running around the place
[06:02:30] <SirFinkus> they drank "not vodka" out of water bottles when I saw them once because drinking on stage is illegal or some shit
[06:02:58] <SirFinkus> Tyr is really good live too, they toured with Korpiklaani a few years ago
[06:04:25] <FatPhil> we don't get much here, alas. Of course there's Metsat6ll locally, but from overseas we basically get Troll Bends Fir once a year or so and little else.
[06:04:41] <SirFinkus> location, if you don't mind me asking?
[06:04:45] <FatPhil> Estonia
[06:04:49] <SirFinkus> ahh
[06:05:36] <FatPhil> There are some decent troll metal bands in the neighbouring countries, but we don't travel for music very often any more.
[06:05:43] <SirFinkus> the US is pretty rough for folk metal too
[06:06:06] <SirFinkus> shitty venues and shows are fairly rare, at least in my area
[06:07:01] <FatPhil> which state are you in?
[06:07:05] <SirFinkus> WA
[06:07:18] <fffd> from turku orignally?
[06:07:31] <fffd> or just visited
[06:07:47] <FatPhil> I was working in Turku for a year or so.
[06:07:57] <FatPhil> visited there many times before and after though
[06:08:00] <fffd> cool
[06:08:05] <fffd> i just moved from there :(
[06:08:11] <fffd> miss it
[06:08:49] <FatPhil> great town, certainly.
[06:08:57] <FatPhil> So, you've moved to HEL?
[06:09:10] <SirFinkus> ~weather helsinki
[06:09:12] <exec> 10Helsinki, Finland - currently 31°F / -1°C, mostly cloudy, wind SE at 16 mph, humidity 85% - Thursday snow (31°F:32°F / -1°C:0°C), Friday snow (32°F:34°F / 0°C:1°C), Saturday snow showers (31°F:33°F / -1°C:1°C), Sunday snow (32°F:34°F / 0°C:1°C)
[06:09:29] <fffd> nah, i moved to Asia, hehe
[06:09:37] <FatPhil> woh, that's quite a move
[06:09:50] <fffd> yeah
[06:10:13] <fffd> hopefully wont be forever
[06:10:37] <SirFinkus> Asia is a little vague
[06:10:43] <SirFinkus> we talking cambodia or korea?
[06:11:01] <fffd> hehe true, it is quite a big part of the globe
[06:11:06] <SirFinkus> if korea, north or south?
[06:11:09] <FatPhil> I have friends who spend almost a month of every year somewhere in Asia, and they keep trying to persuade me to go with them.
[06:11:10] <fffd> but neither, im in singapore
[06:11:20] <SirFinkus> ahh
[06:11:31] <FatPhil> Ah, so you like the refreshing moderate climate with low humidity then
[06:11:45] <fffd> not sure if you are joking :D
[06:11:52] <fffd> singapore is one of the most humid countries on earth
[06:12:06] <fffd> but i like it
[06:12:11] <fffd> body however, does not
[06:12:16] <SirFinkus> hate that
[06:12:26] <SirFinkus> nothing worse, I could do most climates
[06:12:32] <SirFinkus> but I hate feeling wet all the time
[06:12:33] <fffd> constant ear infection etc
[06:12:43] <FatPhil> it would be hell for me. my body shuts down at temperatures below the singapore yearly average.
[06:12:43] <fffd> hehe yea cant really walk around that much
[06:13:07] <fffd> the temp isnt too bad though
[06:13:09] <SirFinkus> I'd rather live in Saudi Arabia, weather-wise
[06:13:33] <FatPhil> The only hot and moist I like is loylya in the sauna.
[06:13:39] <fffd> :D
[06:13:42] <SirFinkus> ~weather Riyadh
[06:13:45] <exec> 10Riyadh Saudi Arabia - currently 63°F / 17°C, mostly sunny, wind N at 5 mph, humidity 27% - Thursday sunny (50°F:74°F / 10°C:23°C), Friday sunny (54°F:78°F / 12°C:26°C), Saturday sunny (56°F:83°F / 13°C:28°C), Sunday sunny (57°F:86°F / 14°C:30°C)
[06:14:05] <SirFinkus> wow, pretty mild now
[06:14:06] <fffd> ~weather singapore
[06:14:09] <exec> 10Singapore - currently 90°F / 32°C, mostly cloudy, wind NE at 14 mph, humidity 62% - Thursday rain (78°F:85°F / 26°C:29°C), Friday thunderstorm (78°F:87°F / 26°C:31°C), Saturday thunderstorm (78°F:89°F / 26°C:32°C), Sunday scattered thunderstorms (78°F:89°F / 26°C:32°C)
[06:14:13] <FatPhil> argh!
[06:14:42] <fffd> but yea that seems quite cold for a place like SA
[06:14:43] <SirFinkus> "right. From May to September, the country (basically everything except the southwestern mountains) bakes in temperatures that average 42°C and regularly exceed 50°C in the shade. "
[06:14:45] <SirFinkus> good god
[06:15:02] <FatPhil> My only experience with asia was Korea, and that was just at the start of summer, so it was only too hot, not murderous.
[06:15:20] <FatPhil> AKA sous vide
[06:15:30] <SirFinkus> I ate some Thai food once that was too hot
[06:15:30] <fffd> hehe
[06:16:18] <FatPhil> I'm out of practice with hot food, as you can't get any here.
[06:16:20] <fffd> korea weather is pretty cold average though i think?
[06:16:32] <fffd> but never been there
[06:16:53] <FatPhil> well, even may was too hot for me, but I'm biased
[06:17:07] <FatPhil> good air conditioning everywhere though.
[06:17:12] <fffd> hehe
[06:17:20] <fffd> asians are crazy for AC
[06:17:24] <FatPhil> and the most hi-tech toilets you've ever seen!
[06:17:38] <fffd> did they sprinkle your ass?
[06:17:46] <FatPhil> laser-guided, so it seemed!
[06:17:47] <fffd> and play songs
[06:17:50] <fffd> lol
[06:17:51] <SirFinkus> pfft, that's overrated
[06:18:03] <SirFinkus> my toilet sprinkles my ass with splashback every time a take a good dump
[06:18:07] <fffd> toilets in SG are primitive :(
[06:18:09] <SirFinkus> *I
[06:18:14] <FatPhil> I think it had the option to play music, but I only had time to work out what 20 of the buttons did whilst I was there.
[06:18:23] <fffd> :D
[06:19:02] <FatPhil> I did enjoy it. I would like to go back. The korean people are a lovely people.
[06:19:18] <SirFinkus> yeah, they're delicious
[06:20:02] <FatPhil> Their attitude to work (in particular management) is horrifically awful, I quit my job with Samsung, that I'd taken *9* months to get, in about 9 weeks.
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[06:20:49] <FatPhil> which brought shame upon my Finnish boss, who was demoted for bringing shame on the company.
[06:21:07] <SirFinkus> guess you shouldn't have been so lazy FatPhil
[06:21:09] <SirFinkus> god
[06:22:06] <FatPhil> I was up for a good challenge, but the only challenge they gave me was working with their in-house Windows/IE-6-based internal IT system
[06:22:14] <SirFinkus> oh boy
[06:22:20] <FatPhil> you had to get approval from 10 layers of management just to fart.
[06:22:35] <FatPhil> Oh - my job was linux kernel programmer.
[06:22:41] <SirFinkus> lol
[06:22:45] <FatPhil> You can imagine how keen I was to be using windows
[06:23:04] <SirFinkus> wait, did they make you develop on windows, or did you just have to deal with windows?
[06:23:21] <fffd> how long are work days in korea?
[06:23:35] <fffd> or did you work in the finnish subsidiary
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[06:24:24] <FatPhil> they had the money for 2 machines per person, one windows, one linux, but obliged all LKML patches to be sent via their in-house windows-based mail system.
[06:24:43] <FatPhil> I worked in the brand new (hence the wait, setting it up) Espoo office
[06:24:50] <fffd> oh
[06:24:54] <FatPhil> it's closed now
[06:25:06] <FatPhil> Finns don't take to that kind of nonsense
[06:25:31] <FatPhil> (HAving said that, employees 1, 2, and 3 were Russian, Slovakian, and English)
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[06:25:53] <fffd> asians are bit odd when it comes to work
[06:26:01] <FatPhil> (However, all had spent about a decade in Finland, 2 of them I think had obtained Finnish nationality)
[06:26:16] <FatPhil> (the ones that weren't me)
[06:26:51] <FatPhil> very. They work twice the hours, but honestly are only working at about 30% efficiency.
[06:27:00] <fffd> yes
[06:27:15] <fffd> ive worked 10h per day for 2 years
[06:27:29] <fffd> just cos
[06:27:34] <fffd> so useless
[06:29:06] <FatPhil> I bill by the hour, I only bill for when I'm actually doing something useful, and if I know I'm in a rut I'll just take the rest of the day off. Company prefers that to rushing me.
[06:29:28] <fffd> makes more sense
[06:29:34] <SirFinkus> " I only bill for when I'm actually doing something useful" well there's your problem
[06:29:45] <SirFinkus> you have ethics
[06:29:48] <SirFinkus> sucker
[06:30:17] <FatPhil> Having said that, our biggest ever (potential) client is demanding the feature I'm working on ASAP.
[06:30:25] <fffd> its better tho than spending all life in office just to look good to boss :D
[06:31:14] <SirFinkus> god, why do people use msoffice?
[06:31:18] <SirFinkus> it's fucking glacial
[06:31:48] <SirFinkus> 40kb spreadsheet with a graph took like 10 seconds to open
[06:31:55] <FatPhil> I'd rather work on the feature, complete it, walk away happy, and then 6 months later get a phone call saying "fancy 6 more months of work, we've got a new feature that's suited to your skills"
[06:32:08] <SirFinkus> as excel loads its bloated carcass into ram
[06:32:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 500 Million-year-old Fossils Show How Now-Extinct Organisms Attacked Their Prey - http://sylnt.us - look-before-you-leap
[06:32:56] <FatPhil> I'm shit at working on things that don't interest me. I'd rather be known as the go-to guy for just a couple of things.
[06:33:43] <FatPhil> g/f's side of our company deals with word documents all the time, and both she and her clients insist on using *ancient* versions of word, as the modern ones are so awful.
[06:34:06] <fffd> they are awful, aren't they
[06:34:07] <FatPhil> I think she's on Office 2003, definitely nothing more modern
[06:34:46] <FatPhil> happily gave money to crossover office so that she could run that on her linux machine.
[06:35:18] <fffd> whats the state of libreoffice/oo.o
[06:35:27] <FatPhil> bug-compatible
[06:35:38] <fffd> hehe
[06:35:43] <FatPhil> A stupid idea implemented badly?
[06:35:48] <FatPhil> I could go on
[06:35:58] <fffd> last time i used it, it was slow as shit
[06:36:03] <julian> We exclusively use LibreOffice at my work, medical practice
[06:36:18] <julian> Works fine for everything we need, and saved a lot of money
[06:37:02] <FatPhil> We got an urgent job last friday, whilst we were in the car down to Latvia, and my g/f did the job in Abiword on her phone!
[06:37:18] <fffd> that thing is still around?
[06:37:38] <julian> It was shipping with Xubuntu until last version I think
[06:37:40] <fffd> remember it was more pleasant to use than ooo though
[06:37:44] <FatPhil> same could be asked about her phone, it's from 2009
[06:38:18] <SirFinkus> I like the new pretty colors in office
[06:40:51] <julian> But for OS X I use Pages
[06:41:11] <SirFinkus> yeah, pages/numbers are great
[06:41:15] <SirFinkus> leagues faster than office
[06:41:28] <SirFinkus> fewer features, but nothing I've ever needed
[06:41:47] <julian> Well Numbers is anemic compared to Excel, which is IMO the only superb software product MS ever made.
[06:41:48] <SirFinkus> I have to use office for school though
[06:41:52] * SirFinkus sighs
[06:42:03] <SirFinkus> I don't really use spreadsheets that often
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[06:42:14] <SirFinkus> just the occasional graph
[06:42:18] <qkontinuum> coffee++
[06:42:18] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2241
[06:42:19] <julian> Numbers is probably fine for almost everyone
[06:42:27] <SirFinkus> mostly for nerdy stuff
[06:43:08] <SirFinkus> using excel now because it seems dumb to have both excel and numbers installed at the same time
[06:45:52] <julian> If I can't do it in Numbers it's probably not appropriate for Excel either and I have to use Mathematica or something else
[06:46:09] <SirFinkus> people use excel for pretty shocking things
[06:46:29] <FatPhil> they use it as a database
[06:47:02] <SirFinkus> a testament to its power I guess
[06:47:32] <SirFinkus> only really used it for "work" once, basically a 20 year old spreadsheet that would monitor the depreciation of assets
[06:47:37] <SirFinkus> it was extremely complicated
[06:47:41] <FatPhil> unix uses /etc/passwd as a database
[06:47:58] <SirFinkus> every year we'd increment the year by one and use the new values on the tax forms
[06:48:13] <SirFinkus> very satisfying to see the entire page update
[06:49:10] <SirFinkus> this was back around 2011 on a windows 98 se machine
[06:49:23] <SirFinkus> so keep bitching about your xp
[06:49:48] <SirFinkus> I bet you even had an internet connection!
[06:52:46] * SirFinkus is listening to Баканджи — Змей II + Звездица (Remix), from the album Змей
[06:57:35] <fffd> at least it was second edition
[07:08:28] <julian> 95 was my first OS. I don't think I ever used 98
[07:08:51] <julian> I figured out how to install Linux after that
[07:09:37] <julian> I totally missed the 98-2000 era of Windows
[07:11:04] <qkontinuum> julian, I can top that. I abandoned Windows before Linux was ready for most use cases and switched to OS/2 :-)
[07:11:49] <qkontinuum> I even ditched MS-Dos first and switched to DR-Dos... Really learned to hate MS early...
[07:12:06] <julian> I get a pass because I probably wasn't alive :p
[07:12:39] <qkontinuum> This is a micro-aggression targeting my age! Help, I'm harassed!
[07:14:50] <julian> But an Atari 2600 was the first console I played, which predated me by more than a decade
[07:15:28] <FatPhil> I first used Linux in 1993, but didn't go 100% linux until 2000
[07:15:42] <FatPhil> Did do a brief OS/2 spell in the mid 90s
[07:16:30] <FatPhil> Alas my PC couldn't keep up with its things like protection levels that protect the kernel from user code.
[07:16:31] <qkontinuum> Atari 2600: My parents bought one when I was a kid...
[07:16:51] <FatPhil> 520STFM was my 3rd home computer
[07:17:08] <FatPhil> Sinclair ZX81 and Spectrum came 1st and 2nd
[07:17:16] <qkontinuum> My first home computer was a Schneider/Amstrad CPC 464
[07:17:32] <julian> Packard Bell was mine
[07:18:04] <qkontinuum> 2nd was already an XT, where I replace the 8086 CPU by a pin compatible V30.
[07:18:19] <FatPhil> ah, yes, amstrad. the company that tried to cheapen everythng for business use, unlike sinclair that cheapened everything for home use.
[07:18:26] <julian> The game Red Alert was the program I used the most
[07:18:32] <qkontinuum> I had a 20MB Hard drive! Definitely enough for everybody!
[07:20:21] <fffd> excessive luxury when you can just run everything from floppy
[07:20:41] <FatPhil> whilst my ST could interface with PC hard drives, my first HD was on a real PC, and was a massive 80MB
[07:20:53] <julian> Sometimes I wish I hadn't missed the age of pre-90s computing, but then I'm happy my knees still work
[07:21:17] <julian> Now that's a microaggression
[07:24:29] <qkontinuum> julian, I notice we need a CoC... http://pastebin.com
[07:24:29] <snowfire> ^✓ 03Code of Conduct + Kindness Outline: This is a proposal for behaviour in onli - Pastebin.com
[07:31:13] <qkontinuum> TheMightyBuzzard, Sorry to bother with yet another proposal, but could we have a field "IRC nick" added to our user preferences?
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[07:40:49] <crutchy> ~rehash-suggest
[07:40:57] <crutchy> ~suggest-rehash
[07:41:03] <crutchy> :|
[07:42:34] <crutchy> ~suggest
[07:42:36] <exec> syntax: ~suggest <suggestion>
[07:42:36] <exec> http://sylnt.us
[07:42:54] <crutchy> oh
[07:42:57] <crutchy> maybe its issue
[07:43:03] <crutchy> ~rehash-issue
[07:43:04] <exec> syntax: ~rehash|exec-issue <title>, <body>
[07:43:11] <crutchy> thar we go
[07:43:57] <crutchy> ~suggest goes to wiki, ~rehash-issue goes to github
[07:46:09] <qkontinuum> ~sugges could we have a field "IRC nick" added to our user preferences?
[07:46:18] <qkontinuum> crutchy, thx
[07:46:19] <fffd> ordered a battery from lenovo, everyday they keep pushing estimated ship date to next day. 6th day in a row now
[07:46:25] <qkontinuum> ~suggest could we have a field "IRC nick" added to our user preferences?
[07:46:27] <exec> error: not authorized (login)
[07:46:28] <exec> *** error adding suggestion to wiki
[07:46:53] <chromas> ya dun broke it
[07:47:34] <qkontinuum> Hmph. exec not authorized or exec considers me not authorized?
[07:53:53] <crutchy> dunno
[07:54:00] <crutchy> ask the developer
[07:56:06] <qkontinuum> Just checked http://wiki.soylentnews.org ... Long list with issues suggested 1.5 years ago. Are the proposals actively discussed / cleaned up when implemented/rejected?
[07:56:07] <snowfire> ^ 03Wiki: Suggestions ( http://wiki.soylentnews.org )
[08:03:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Number of Extremist Groups Operating in the United States Grew in 2015 - http://sylnt.us - a-good-opportunity-for-outsourcing
[08:16:55] <crutchy> qkontinuum, not sure
[08:19:16] * chromas waits impatiently for the next bundle of free shat on steam
[08:19:33] <chromas> 9:40:25
[08:48:20] <crutchy> coffee++
[08:48:20] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2242
[09:11:08] <qkontinuum> coffee++
[09:11:08] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2243
[09:14:06] <Thouren> coffee++
[09:14:06] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2244
[09:14:59] <Thouren> qkontinuum, that 'CoC' is hilarious
[09:17:11] <qkontinuum> Thanks :-) I would guess any progressive, upstanding society-supporting youngster should want one...
[09:22:39] <Thouren> qkontinuum, we gotta make this a Safe Space for all to feel welcome!
[09:24:01] <qkontinuum> Yesno. there is another channel for that, #toddlers.
[09:24:32] <Thouren> lmao
[09:26:02] <Thouren> I'd much rather have someone be an asshole to be than have the opinions I can express restricted
[09:26:40] <Thouren> The types pushing these CoC's can't seem to understand that the verbal equivalent of a punch to the shoulder is just how men talk to each other sometimes
[09:27:09] <qkontinuum> Fully agree. I really hope the cock on pastebin is ironic enough for anyone to understand.
[09:28:58] <Thouren> Did you read ESR's blog post about it?
[09:29:46] <Thouren> http://esr.ibiblio.org
[09:29:52] <snowfire> ^ 03Why Hackers Must Eject the SJWs | Armed and Dangerous
[09:31:15] <Thouren> It's especially sad that Universities are their refuge. University is SUPPOSED to be the place you get exposed to lots of new ideas, especially ones that challenge your worldview and quite possibly offend you.
[09:33:00] <crutchy> engineering departments are immune to SJWs
[09:33:46] <crutchy> we offend them so much they avoid us like the plague that we are :p
[09:34:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Extra Testosterone May Benefit Older Men - http://sylnt.us - no-bones-about-it
[09:34:44] <Thouren> crutchy, that's exactly what we should be doing!
[09:37:39] <chromas> crutchy: you fuckdog
[09:37:49] <chromas> fuck you and your patriarchy! math is haaard!
[09:38:41] <crutchy> math is for calculators
[09:38:56] <chromas> more like manculators
[09:38:58] <crutchy> i can't even add in my head
[09:52:44] <qkontinuum> Thouren, was afk,,, Universities: So, actually the SJWs are fulfilling their purpose. They expose the students to a very dangerous and stupid idea of what social justice should be :-)
[09:53:37] <Thouren> qkontinuum, :(
[09:53:49] <Thouren> I know that's mostly sarcasm, but it's downright depressing
[09:54:31] <qkontinuum> 5 years from now, if things go the right way, graduates will talk about how they were fighting for freedom of speech against the establishment and SJW lunatics. I just don't believe that level of suppression will really last.
[09:55:01] <qkontinuum> Ok, maybe I'm occasionally crossing the border from sarcasm to cynism...
[09:55:49] <crutchy> "i say nuke the entire site from orbit. it's the only way to be sure"
[10:01:20] <crutchy> found out today that one of my clients that i'm doing a job for at the moment will become my colleague in a fortnight :)
[10:01:35] <crutchy> submitted his resignation today apparently
[10:02:28] <crutchy> he's a good client so should be good to work with him more
[10:02:32] <FatPhil> SJW/SJT is just the PC from the 80s rehashed.
[10:04:32] <crutchy> and hippies from the 60's
[10:05:25] <FatPhil> I like the hippies from the 60s!
[10:05:33] * crutchy is listening to dido
[10:05:44] * chromas slips an "l" in there
[10:05:45] * crutchy passes the bong to FatPhil
[10:06:08] <chromas> we knew what hippies were smoking. no idea what SJWs are smoking
[10:06:15] <crutchy> cock
[10:06:44] <crutchy> they're offending chickens everywhere
[10:10:03] <FatPhil> nw. youtube.com/watch?v=99s19HBs-6A
[10:11:59] <qkontinuum> New SN hymn: "les coc est mort"?
[10:20:35] <qkontinuum> coffee++
[10:20:35] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2245
[10:42:10] <crutchy> http://pricedingold.com
[10:42:13] <snowfire> ^ 03Is the Debt Bomb a Dud?
[10:42:16] <crutchy> interesting read
[10:43:19] <crutchy> "for more than a decade, the dollars in which the debt is denominated have been losing value much faster than the debt itself is growing"
[10:43:55] <crutchy> yay for inflation
[10:45:59] <crutchy> "good news is that there is a realistic hope of putting government finances back onto a solid footing in the not too distant future"
[10:46:16] <crutchy> "bad news is what the world will look like for those who keep their books in dollars: in 20 years, dollar prices will be roughly 32 times what they are today"
[10:47:09] <FatPhil> any article which claims the cold war started in the 70s is one worth taking with a siberian saltmine
[10:47:58] <crutchy> it only says the cold war was being funded in the 70's
[10:48:04] <crutchy> not that it started then
[10:48:39] <chromas> the philosopher's legacy
[10:49:08] <crutchy> the 70's was a cornerstone because of cutting of ties between $ and gold
[10:49:22] <FatPhil> so the cold war was free before the 70s?
[10:49:44] <chromas> yes and then capitalism saved the day
[10:50:17] <crutchy> the cold war was funded by gold paid by other countries before the 70's
[10:50:28] <crutchy> for ww2 produce
[10:51:06] <crutchy> that's how the US ended up with most of the world's gold
[10:51:19] <crutchy> you can thank hitler
[10:51:43] <crutchy> believe it or not you guys got wealthy by staying out of the war for as long as you did
[10:51:48] <chromas> thanks, hitler!
[10:52:32] <crutchy> by the 70's the gold was fast running out, so nixon made the move
[10:53:23] <crutchy> vietnam and korea were partly to blame for that
[10:53:46] <FatPhil> so at its root, we can blame the french?
[10:53:53] <crutchy> lol
[10:54:05] <crutchy> nah they paid you their gold
[10:54:15] <crutchy> same with britain
[10:54:36] <crutchy> but yeah the french should be blamed anyway
[10:54:42] <crutchy> france--
[10:54:42] <Bender> karma - france: -1
[10:54:49] <FatPhil> you = britain, if you = me
[10:54:56] <FatPhil> france--
[10:54:56] <Bender> karma - france: -2
[10:55:11] <crutchy> oh, you're a brit?
[10:55:21] <FatPhil> In my less politically correct moments, I sometimes refer to the "French Indochina War" ;-)
[10:55:48] <chromas> you just assumed he's american from his nick. you continentist
[10:55:56] <FatPhil> left there 16 years ago as it's mostly a shithole populated by idiots, but brit by birth.
[10:56:06] <crutchy> lol. i thought everyone was american here except for me and juggs
[10:56:35] <crutchy> s/brit/pom/ :p
[10:57:07] <FatPhil> soft pommie baaaastard
[10:57:11] <chromas> diego is spanish
[10:57:14] <chromas> or mexican
[10:57:24] <chromas> been awhile since I saw Zorro
[10:57:25] <crutchy> so diego is a turrist!
[10:57:39] <crutchy> he must be if he's mexican cos trump says so
[10:58:00] <FatPhil> and a rapist
[10:58:15] <chromas> I didn't know trump was a feminist
[10:58:17] <crutchy> he'll be made to build a wall... and pay for it
[10:58:27] <FatPhil> Watched a whole Trump Rally speach yesterday, just out of interest.
[10:58:47] <crutchy> i can't stand listening to trump for more than a few seconds. he reeks of stupid
[10:59:29] <crutchy> he's a product of the dilbert principle
[10:59:30] <FatPhil> Not sure it's stupid. It's very interesting. He has the honesty of someone too stupid to hide his lies.
[10:59:34] <crutchy> or something
[10:59:56] <crutchy> he's a bullshit artist
[11:00:07] <FatPhil> HE's a good bullshit artist.
[11:00:12] <crutchy> true
[11:00:23] <FatPhil> I have a nasty feeling he might even make a good president.
[11:00:37] <chromas> TRUMP House
[11:00:47] <FatPhil> He has no respect for the establishment and its inefficiencies.
[11:00:54] <crutchy> he can't be much worse than the previous presidents lately
[11:01:18] <crutchy> i think he'll still be bought and sold though
[11:01:20] <FatPhil> However, his "best president ever for jobs" claim might fall down if he purges 100000 government jobs.
[11:01:28] <crutchy> he speaks fluent dollars as well as any other politician
[11:01:54] <crutchy> most government jobs are a waste anyway
[11:02:02] <crutchy> good riddance
[11:02:09] <FatPhil> True, but he is talking his own dollers currently.
[11:02:15] <chromas> s/government //
[11:02:19] <crutchy> yeah that's a plus
[11:02:40] <FatPhil> During the rally, he so reminded me of that "winning!!!" guy
[11:02:59] <FatPhil> as he said "winning!!!" about a hundred times.
[11:03:03] <crutchy> though i'm pretty sure he's been gutsing himself at the public trough for years
[11:03:09] <chromas> TRUMP/Sheen 2016
[11:03:11] <crutchy> like any good lobbyist
[11:04:06] <crutchy> i kinda wonder sometimes if someone like bill gates might make a good potus
[11:04:14] <crutchy> he's pretty smart and cunning
[11:04:28] <crutchy> not sure about his political views though
[11:04:33] <FatPhil> even more money would go to Monsanto then
[11:04:39] <crutchy> lol probably
[11:04:52] <chromas> microsoft never made a crooked dollar
[11:05:12] <crutchy> microsoft is probably a more honest company than most
[11:05:35] <FatPhil> MS is a provem monopolist
[11:05:43] <crutchy> their crooked deals are mostly their own, not the government's
[11:06:01] <crutchy> like walmart's
[11:06:04] <chromas> windows 8 wasn't honest
[11:06:09] <chromas> it's not real windows
[11:06:20] <FatPhil> well, apart from getting their OS into every govenment computer
[11:06:58] <crutchy> that's true, but even if you disregarded government computers there are still a shitload of windows installs out there
[11:07:03] <FatPhil> Although apple's pretty good at getting them into schools
[11:07:33] <crutchy> microsoft's crooked deals were with the oem's
[11:10:27] <crutchy> microsoft also had a lot of luck... they were in the game early, gate's got his foot in the door via his mom at ibm, he was shrewd with the oems, developers flocked to windows, etc
[11:10:35] <crutchy> its like apple... people wanted it
[11:10:44] <crutchy> even if it was expensive shit
[11:11:53] <FatPhil> What kinds of retards would want to buy this: youtube.com/watch?v=EDq90oITehA
[11:12:36] <crutchy> lol
[11:12:42] <crutchy> that guy really is a whackjob
[11:13:13] <FatPhil> which I know is kind of a parody of his earlier one (3.1?), but still, if you're parodying your own priot idiocy, you're still stupid
[11:14:04] <crutchy> i never actually seen an ad for windows on tv before
[11:14:10] <crutchy> only on youtube
[11:18:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:18:35] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2246
[11:28:26] <FatPhil> flu--
[11:28:26] <Bender> karma - flu: -2
[11:29:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> tru
[11:30:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> qkontinuum, not a terrible idea but tying it into nickserv is out of the question at the moment.
[11:32:03] <qkontinuum> I didn't expect any tie in with NickServ at the moment... Just adding the field might be nice.
[11:36:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - "5D" Laser-Based Polarization Vortex Storage Could Hold Hundreds of Terabytes for Billions of Years - http://sylnt.us - what-if-the-readers-are-only-good-for-ONE-billion-years?
[11:36:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. easy nuff to do.
[11:36:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> you github it up?
[11:37:59] <qkontinuum> I guess I can.
[11:40:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> gracias. i'm eyeballs deep in monkeying with css-only collapsible comments right now.
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[11:42:31] <qkontinuum> Sounds fun :-) Read the discussion on SN. Great if this works without JS.
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[11:47:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> already working, just need collapse a single comment button and both buttons themed to +/-
[11:57:31] <cmn32480> ~gday knuckleheads
[11:57:33] * exec covertly pours an anvil of spew for knuckleheads
[11:57:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, cmn32480
[11:58:20] <cmn32480> morning TheMightyBuzzard
[11:58:27] <cmn32480> anythign good happening?
[11:58:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> css headaches
[11:58:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> and coffee
[11:58:57] <cmn32480> you can keep 'em
[11:59:17] * cmn32480 helps himself to TheMightyBuzzard 's coffee++ pot
[12:01:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooooh, i got it....
[12:02:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> stupid css
[12:02:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> need moar nicotine before i figure out how to fix that.
[12:02:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[12:02:31] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 26
[12:02:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:02:32] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2247
[12:03:23] <dx3bydt3> Greetings all, I came across a spam moderated comment this morning that probably deserves flamebait or troll, but not spam: https://soylentnews.org
[12:03:24] <snowfire> ^ 03SN comment by [02aristarchus (2645)] (02Score:0, Spam)
[12:09:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> dx3bydt3, yeah, saw that but haven't had time to review it yet. brain's not quite up to reading english yet.
[12:10:19] <dx3bydt3> coffee++
[12:10:19] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2248
[12:11:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> lemme give it a look
[12:13:00] <dx3bydt3> I figured I'd mention it here, it in no way deserves to be moderated up, but isn't quite spam.
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[12:13:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, not spam. not handing out a ban this time cause it was prolly an honest misunderstanding of what qualifies.
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[12:13:52] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v Subsentient] by Imogen
[12:14:14] <Subsentient> Wow
[12:14:20] <Subsentient> I started reading the 4th edition Camel book (perl)
[12:14:26] <Subsentient> My copy arrived a few days ago
[12:14:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya?
[12:14:32] <Subsentient> this is the best language I've ever seen.
[12:14:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth
[12:14:42] <Subsentient> It's even cleaner than C.
[12:14:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> can be. can also be very similar to line noise.
[12:15:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> depends on the coder
[12:15:37] <Subsentient> It has block scoping, file test operators, built in regex (already knew about regex), for AND foreach loops
[12:15:44] <Subsentient> This is really beautiful.
[12:16:11] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: It rapes Python's asshole until it's raw and prolapsed, then sticks a hot curling iron up Python's ass and throws it into a lake
[12:16:58] <Subsentient> I think what I like best is that Perl seems to give you what you actually choose an interpreted language for. Easy stuff.
[12:17:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[12:17:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> it wrangles text better than anything else, hands down.
[12:18:02] <cmn32480> most of tmb's code looks like the above mentioned line noise
[12:18:03] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: I really like the file test operators.
[12:18:40] <Subsentient> I also love how unlike python, they aren't whitespace nazis. I can use braces and semicolons and block scope like I always liked.
[12:18:52] <Subsentient> And for a dynamic language, perl sure has a lot of declarations.
[12:18:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, pffft, my code's elegant code for a more civilized age
[12:19:11] <Subsentient> and I *like* those declarations.
[12:19:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, and you can do it all on one line if you like.
[12:19:16] <cmn32480> <------ is not a coder. ALL code looks like line noise
[12:20:04] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: One thing I hated about python was the "all variables are references" bullshit.
[12:20:15] <Subsentient> And I hated how there was only global and function scope even more.
[12:21:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, in perl all variables are variables, even references.
[12:21:26] <Subsentient> Reminds me of pointers. I like that.
[12:21:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> no pointer math though.
[12:21:45] <Subsentient> yeah I know.
[12:21:58] <Subsentient> but hey, pointer math doesn't seem like a good idea for an interpreted language.
[12:22:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth
[12:22:20] <Subsentient> Part of the reason people choose interpreted languages is for safety.
[12:22:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[12:22:45] <Subsentient> So in reality, it's more like C++ references.
[12:22:49] <Subsentient> But that's just fine.
[12:22:51] <Gravis> news monkeys! it looks like a couple links ran a bit long here. https://soylentnews.org
[12:22:52] <snowfire> ^ 03SN article: Extra Testosterone May Benefit Older Men 04(5 comments) ( https://soylentnews.org )
[12:22:52] * cmn32480 does the happy dance.
[12:23:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> no worries about overflowing a data structure unless a module was written in C.
[12:23:17] <cmn32480> found the release notes that shows my customer needs to updtate their firmware adn the problem goes away!
[12:23:27] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: I can see myself writing modules in C, lol
[12:23:36] * TheMightyBuzzard points at cmn32480
[12:23:53] * cmn32480 points back at TheMightyBuzzard
[12:24:03] * Subsentient pukes on both TheMightyBuzzard and cmn32480
[12:24:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, ya, don't do it if it can be pure perl instead. performance may take a hit but you have no safety issues with pure perl modules.
[12:24:49] <Gravis> /facepalm
[12:24:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> aside from those you create yourself anyway.
[12:24:55] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: I hear you. I might write a "WZLobby" module for Warzone 2100 once I know Perl well enough.
[12:25:23] <Subsentient> I still think C is the best choice for working with binary data.
[12:25:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly, yup
[12:25:56] <cmn32480> gravis - all the links work fine. I'm not sure I understand the issue. Please explain
[12:26:15] <Gravis> cmn32480: why is an entire paragraph a link?
[12:26:35] <Gravis> cmn32480: links should be a handful of words at most
[12:26:58] <cmn32480> In what world are you seeing this?
[12:27:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, your browser is shit.
[12:27:01] <Gravis> cmn32480: have you not learned anything from the 90s?!
[12:27:06] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Is pack/unpack builtin functions??
[12:27:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, yeah
[12:27:17] <Subsentient> Niiiice.
[12:27:30] <Subsentient> In python, you need a module for that. Another thing I hated about python.
[12:27:35] <cmn32480> wiht the exception of the Bonus Article, the links are 5 or 6 words, max
[12:27:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> map is right nice as well once you grok it
[12:27:40] <Gravis> oh my... i see
[12:28:02] <qkontinuum> TheMightyBuzzard, Sorry, couldn't resist :-) https://soylentnews.org
[12:28:03] <snowfire> ^ 03SN comment by [02q.kontinuum (532)] (02Score:2)
[12:28:08] <cmn32480> me thinks I'm not seeing what you are seeing
[12:28:16] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: wild guess, is 'map' a way to put together binary structs in perl?
[12:28:42] <Gravis> takyon: your little user script causes bad stuff to happen!
[12:28:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> lol
[12:29:09] <Gravis> cmn32480: turns out it was takyon's user script causing the issue
[12:29:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, nah. it does fun things like map the keys of a hash to an array
[12:29:27] <Subsentient> ahh
[12:29:27] <cmn32480> ahhhh
[12:29:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> sweet, i didn't break it.
[12:29:45] <cmn32480> then I suggest you yell at Takyon.. .not us poor hardworking underappreciated editors
[12:29:46] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: And how would I make such structs in perl?
[12:29:52] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: no, just the things that matter. ;)
[12:30:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, zactly. i ain't got time enough to break EVERYTHING, that's why we have eds.
[12:30:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, sec, lost my train of thought.
[12:30:51] <Subsentient> The train has left the station.
[12:31:00] <cmn32480> gravis - I havne't updated to version 11 yet. that' might be the cause of the issue
[12:31:12] <Gravis> cmn32480: funny thing is... he submitted the story that breaks. ;)
[12:31:31] <cmn32480> gravis - Irony is excellent.
[12:31:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, you're generally not going to want to but if you must you store them in a scalar for simple ones or an object for complex ones.
[12:32:46] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Alright. Looks like I can just do concatenation of (binary) strings for that anyways.
[12:33:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod .= is our friend.
[12:33:11] <Subsentient> That's a hell of a lot easier than python's way.
[12:33:42] <Subsentient> python really is balls at dealing with binary data, especially python 3.
[12:34:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> perl's mainly built for dealing with characters, though it does well enough with base 10 math as well. binary it starts falling down.
[12:34:38] <Subsentient> I dunno, it's doing a better job of it than Python ever did.
[12:34:52] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[12:34:57] <Subsentient> My problem is that I need an interpreted language that's good with binary. Perl seems the best I've found so far.
[12:35:04] <Gravis> -*- TheMightyBuzzard points at cmn32480
[12:35:04] <Gravis> -*- cmn32480 points back at TheMightyBuzzard
[12:35:04] <Gravis> i imagined that as this: http://www.wskel.com
[12:35:42] <Subsentient> Gravis: how'd you picture this? * Subsentient pukes on both TheMightyBuzzard and cmn32480
[12:36:02] <Subsentient> .
[12:36:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... time to find out about operator precedence in css i guess
[12:36:48] <Gravis> Subsentient: something like this: http://s5.photobucket.com
[12:37:22] <Subsentient> lol
[12:37:57] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: I do imagine Perl is going to have one hell of a complicated precedence/associativity table
[12:39:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, eh, not especially but it will trip you up once in a while. if all else fails, put ()s around what you want evaluated first.
[12:40:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> generally works.
[12:40:03] <Subsentient> yeah. C has a small table so I can just look at that.
[12:40:26] <Subsentient> I get sick pleasure from doing ambiguous looking expressions that are well defined by the standard.
[12:40:32] <Subsentient> I love abusing the comma operator.
[12:40:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn, close but not quite
[12:41:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, it may not be possible to do what i'm wanting to do.
[12:42:11] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: it's possible but there are laws against beastiality.
[12:42:43] * TheMightyBuzzard is agnostic not muslim
[12:43:35] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: lol
[12:43:37] <cmn32480> see ya kids
[12:43:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar, laters
[12:43:49] <Subsentient> I fluctuate between agnostic and deist.
[12:43:50] <cmn32480> I'll be back from the airport tongiht most likely'
[12:44:11] <cmn32480> ~gday #soylent
[12:44:13] * exec insatiably offers a pair of used panties full of NCommander to #soylent
[12:44:20] <Subsentient> lol
[12:45:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, well if i can't do it the way i want i can do it a different way entirely.
[12:46:36] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: also possible but there are a lot of laws against having sex with children.
[12:46:55] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: i recommend going back to animals, you sick fuck.
[12:46:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> not if you're a child yourself
[12:48:10] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: not true. it's dependant on your date of birth relative to theirs. being a man-child does not exempt you.
[12:48:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, that works well enough.
[12:49:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> well the plan was to time machine back and swap brains with my younger self. i could have gotten soooo much ass as a teenager if i'd just known how laid self-confidence would get you.
[12:51:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> that and being a dick instead of a generally nice guy
[12:52:14] <Gravis> that's against the laws of physics but nobody is going to stop you
[12:52:15] <qkontinuum> coffee++
[12:52:15] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2249
[12:53:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> physics, schmysics. if captain kirk can do it, so can i!
[12:55:26] <Gravis> and to think... they didn't even bother to learn the language of the whales
[12:56:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, except for the hippy-ass save the whales thing, i dug that one. klingon ships is just cooler.
[12:57:15] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: but if we are going by star trek logic, altering the timeline is illegal... but easy to get away with
[12:57:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar, just claim predestination paradox and the time cops go all spastic and start foaming at the mouth.
[12:58:44] <Gravis> actually, paradoxes have to have a begining, just not an end.
[12:59:03] <Gravis> +n
[12:59:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> true but you don't have to know what the beginning is if you're stuck in one.
[13:00:34] <Gravis> yeah but try explaining that to some time clown from the 29th century
[13:01:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> me, i'm joining the klingon empire soon as we discover it, where they don't have such silliness
[13:01:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> also, they don't become space hippies
[13:02:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> i still can't hardly bring myself to watch next gen cause of all the preachy crap they rolled in as morals of the story.
[13:02:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> the rest are mostly okay.
[13:03:20] <Gravis> yeah because the "preachy crap" offends your selfish tendencies.
[13:03:50] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: go live the with ferengi
[13:03:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> indeed. rational self-interest ftw. altruism is suicide by degrees.
[13:04:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> pro: nekkid womens. con: they look like ferengi
[13:05:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> could join the orions. they're big on the capitalism and got really hot womens.
[13:05:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmmmm.... green chicks....
[13:05:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, i need a cigarette now.
[13:05:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[13:05:55] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 27
[13:05:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:05:56] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2250
[13:06:21] <Gravis> stupidity++
[13:06:21] <Bender> karma - stupidity: 1
[13:07:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Sweden to Go 'Carbon Neutral' by 2045, With 85% Cuts at Home - http://sylnt.us - could-fossil-fuels-go-up-in-smoke?
[13:13:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> stupidity++
[13:13:22] <Bender> karma - stupidity: 2
[13:13:45] <Gravis> must shave...
[13:17:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, a hairy ass is nobody's friend
[13:23:05] <takyon> ok who pinged me
[13:25:16] <takyon> if anything went wrong it was probably to DOI checker getting too "greedy" when linking the DOI, Gravis. Thought I had solved it - darn
[13:26:30] <Gravis> takyon: PING!
[13:26:46] <takyon> yeah I feel the full force of your displeasure
[13:27:29] <Gravis> takyon: really? because i was just enjoying the pinging. :)
[13:27:49] <takyon> well I fixed it. I'll update it in the journal and tell you what it was
[13:28:55] <Gravis> takyon: you want me to ping you again? (◍•ᴗ•◍)
[13:29:10] <takyon> wow that displayed right
[13:30:07] <Gravis> takyon: it should if you are using a proper unicode client
[13:30:13] <takyon> the problem was /($|\[)DOI: (10[^$]*?)(\)|\])/ not having the ?
[13:30:52] <takyon> my Hexchat is hit or miss on unicode. it's probably the newer emoji that it chokes on
[13:31:06] <Gravis> (*´∀｀*)
[13:31:28] <takyon> k so if you recopy the long ass extension from my journal it will include that fix
[13:32:02] <Gravis> link?
[13:32:26] <Gravis> takyon: btw, consider pastebin. :P
[13:33:00] <takyon> I will consider it
[13:33:19] <takyon> before I made a ton of updates in a month, now not so much
[13:40:00] <Gravis> takyon: btw... wtf is this guy? ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ
[13:40:13] <takyon> I bet this DOI checker is going to fail on DOI with parentheses in it, so it's going to need a rewrite anyway
[13:40:34] <takyon> it doesn't display right in hexchat but it looks like the "raise your dongers" emote
[13:42:38] <Gravis> umm... so people don't really know what it means but use it anyway? <_<;
[13:44:27] <Gravis> yeah... this pretty much sums it up: http://i2.kym-cdn.com
[13:49:45] <takyon> I just put a bunch of emotes in the extension. I haven't seen many users exploit the full range of unicode abilities soylentnews has
[13:51:37] <takyon> I think the top symbol is use is the degree symbol. Or maybe trademark
[14:04:19] zz_janrinok is now known as janrinok
[14:04:46] <janrinok> hi guys
[14:05:03] <paulej72> hey janrinok
[14:05:11] <janrinok> paulej72, hi how's things?
[14:05:24] <paulej72> not bad, how about you?
[14:05:38] <janrinok> been better
[14:06:18] <takyon> hi janrinok
[14:06:33] <janrinok> takyon, hi - thanks for the software update
[14:07:16] <takyon> it's not over until I break several articles
[14:07:38] <takyon> I think any remaining DOI error will just fail to capture the whole DOI, which I can live with
[14:07:47] <janrinok> lol - I've had no problems so far, but I haven't been using it an anger, so to speak
[14:09:49] * takyon looks for TMB's troll mod list
[14:12:05] <paulej72> can we have an -1 You Love Moose Wang
[14:12:34] <takyon> https://staff.soylentnews.org
[14:12:57] <janrinok> a couple of months away and it seems as though nothing has changed :)
[14:13:14] <takyon> http://www.newser.com
[14:13:15] <snowfire> ^ 03Canadian Island to Americans: Flee Trump, Come Here!
[14:14:42] <janrinok> That is an interesting link Takyon. I've never intentionally trolled anyone but it seems that I have earned the 'award' 4 times anyway.
[14:15:09] <takyon> yeah you really don't notice every mod you're racking up when people can mod your comments from... 2 weeks ago?
[14:15:32] * TheMightyBuzzard heads out to get his house cleaned up
[14:17:43] <janrinok> TMB, hi and gb!
[14:29:55] <Gravis> i'm not even on the top 10 list of trolls?
[14:31:39] <Gravis> at least i made the top 25
[14:32:57] <Gravis> you aren't saying anything interesting unless some people hate you for it.
[14:38:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Velometro Will Roll Out Electric Velomobile Rentals in Vancouver Next Year - http://sylnt.us - like-a-smart-car...only-smaller
[14:38:27] <qkontinuum> first third :-/ Lot of room for improvement.
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[14:41:25] <SoylentBob> Why are transhumans always ignored by you cishumans?
[14:42:37] <AndyTheAbsurd> SoylentBob: they're not; you just haven't been paying attention.
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[14:44:53] <qkontinuum> AndyTheAbsurd, He does not appear in the troll-list, does he? (Didn't find him)
[14:45:10] <AndyTheAbsurd> there's a troll list?
[14:45:32] <qkontinuum> Mentioned by takyon some minutes ago: https://staff.soylentnews.org
[14:46:30] <qkontinuum> You are in 311 (of 493)
[14:51:48] <takyon> define transhuman
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[14:52:27] <takyon> does a guy with a prosthetic arm count as a transhuman?
[14:52:29] <AndyTheAbsurd> don't we have a bot for that?
[14:52:31] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~define transhuman
[14:52:33] <exec> [urbandictionary] 03transhuman: Something which transcends the limitation of the human mind or body. Recently, it has come to describe a growing movement of people who believe we are in the verge of growing beyond our limited human...
[14:52:44] <takyon> I don't need that definition, I need SoylentBob's definition
[14:55:45] <AndyTheAbsurd> well from the fact SoylentBob used "cishumans" I'm gonna assume that SoylentBob meant "transgendered humans" and "cisgendered humans"
[14:57:08] <AndyTheAbsurd> I'm also going to assume that SoylentBob would be annoyed if I assumed that I knew what pronouns SoylentBob preferred...and then I'm going to say "fuck that shit, everyone on the internet gets 'he/him/his' until either requested otherwise or proven female".
[14:59:19] <takyon> I think "we" is the preferred pronoun for a "transhuman"
[14:59:23] <takyon> we are the borg
[15:03:57] <Runaway1956> LOL - I'm in third place, leading TMB, in the troll awards. You're gonna have to try harder, Buzz!
[15:04:52] <Runaway1956> fokkin' overly senstive panty waists
[15:08:15] <takyon> http://www.vice.com
[15:08:16] <snowfire> ^ 03Three People Gathered in the Rain to Protest Beyoncé | VICE | United States
[15:08:27] <Gravis> Runaway1956: you moved far past saying something interesting and straight into saying hateful things.
[15:09:45] <exec> 05*** SN funding is currently $697
[15:13:24] <takyon> what's the consensus on tracking devices/strips built into U.S. paper money?
[15:13:31] <richardboegliAFK> got to love Visio
[15:13:42] <richardboegliAFK> just tried to start it and it crashed...
[15:13:44] <richardboegliAFK> wtf
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[15:13:51] <Runaway1956> tracking strips are a good idea for fascist governments
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[15:14:00] <takyon> yeah but are they in the bills right now
[15:14:41] <takyon> snopes indicates NO
[15:14:45] <Runaway1956> I'm glad of that - if I should ever get lost, and wander over a cliff or something, the government can find my body
[15:14:46] <qkontinuum> Just caught up in logs on cishuman debate. Since I know SoylentBob personally very well, I will answer in his place :-)
[15:15:09] <takyon> I am a transhumanist, but far from transhuman
[15:15:38] <Runaway1956> What is a transhuman? A monkey with the right to vote?
[15:17:20] <takyon> it's a broad term
[15:17:21] <qkontinuum> transhuman is an entity which is a human in a non-human "body"
[15:17:58] <qkontinuum> A cishuman is of course one of the privileged humans who were lucky enough to be born with a human body.
[15:18:04] <takyon> it's anything you want it to be. a human that has evolved it to something "beyond" human using anti-aging therapy, prosthetics, mind uploading, whatever
[15:18:30] <qkontinuum> Or a robot who identifies itself as human
[15:18:31] <Runaway1956> https://lifeboat.com
[15:18:31] <snowfire> ^ 03Top Ten Transhumanist Technologies
[15:19:03] <qkontinuum> (Yes, I'm slightly trolling.)
[15:19:19] <takyon> 8, 6, and 2 on that list are the ones that make you a transhuman
[15:20:01] <takyon> #10, cryonics, is a transhumanist supported technology, but hardly helps you to become immortal or anything. You need defrosting and upgrading to make that happen.
[15:21:14] <qkontinuum> http://dictionary.reference.com
[15:21:14] <snowfire> ^ 03Trans- | Define Trans- at Dictionary.com
[15:21:37] <qkontinuum> http://dictionary.reference.com
[15:21:37] <snowfire> ^ 03Cis- | Define Cis- at Dictionary.com
[15:31:08] <Runaway1956> http://www.latimes.com
[15:31:08] <snowfire> ^ 03Tim Cooks stance on privacy could define his Apple legacy - LA Times
[15:32:33] <Runaway1956> I still think that Apple should have agreed to help the FBI, for a fee, then sat around masturbating instead of doing anything.
[15:33:24] <Runaway1956> "Oh, yes, Special Agent Spooky, Alfred is one of our best. If anyone can crack the encryption, he'll do it!"
[15:34:08] <Runaway1956> But, Alfred spends his day mine crafting his soul out, with never a serious thought of cracking anything at all.
[15:42:54] <takyon> we can dream
[15:43:28] <takyon> but Tim Cook declaring a side against the FBI in the war on encryption is good enough, and it baited Trump and others to show their true colors as authoritarian scum
[15:44:25] <loppy> but he already did that anyway
[15:46:38] <takyon> well he stuck to his guns, even though the useless phone belonged to a "dead terrorist!!!11!!" and that bait was very effective as I mentioned
[15:47:31] <takyon> escalating the crypto war, battling over actual terrorists using actual encryption is necessary in order to win the war in the courts
[15:47:42] <Runaway1956> I doubt the dead terrorist's phone really has much info on it. He and/os she was savvy enough to destroy their hard drive from their computer, after all.
[15:47:58] <takyon> that's why I said useless phone
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[15:48:01] <Runaway1956> if they were that savvy, they probably left nothing worthwhile on the phone
[15:48:38] <takyon> this is nothing but the FBI Director Scummy trying to score in the war of public opinion
[15:49:13] <Runaway1956> exactly - if the FBI were as good as they wished us to believe, they would have stopped the terrorists before we ever heard about them.
[15:49:32] <takyon> well let's give the FBI some credit
[15:49:47] <Runaway1956> if you insist
[15:50:02] <takyon> they are very good and finding the mentally ill, and getting their informants and agents to bait the person into buying weapons from them, and then claiming to have stopped a terrorist attack because of that
[15:50:15] <takyon> *at
[15:50:29] <Runaway1956> Bingo - entrapment.
[15:51:07] <Runaway1956> They generally leave the shooting of mentally ill people to local cops though.
[15:51:07] <takyon> I mean really, you have to be a miserable failure not to pull off your successful Bernardino style attack
[15:51:21] <takyon> guns are not hard to get, targets are not hard to find
[15:51:26] * Runaway1956 is a miserable failure
[15:51:50] * Runaway1956 has never pulled off a terrorist attack, successful or otherwise
[15:51:52] <takyon> you haven't attacked anybody yet, otherwise you wouldn't be alive or out of prison
[15:52:29] <Runaway1956> when I shoot up Congress, I'll have a flight arranged to take me to Moscow.
[15:53:15] <Gravis> Runaway1956: pff... you really think they would protect you?
[15:53:53] <Runaway1956> Well, I might have to spend a couple months in the airport bars before Mr. Putin intervenes, and grants me political asylum.
[15:54:48] <takyon> a little harder to get away with an attack than a leak
[15:54:57] <takyon> just a little
[15:55:09] <Gravis> Runaway1956: don't even compare yourself to someone like that. you don't even measure up to his shadow.
[15:55:26] <Runaway1956> Well, of course - that's why I'll schedule my flight to Moscow on an ICBM. ;^)
[15:55:51] <Runaway1956> Awwww, Gravis - you have no idea where my shadow has been.
[15:56:36] <Gravis> Runaway1956: sure i do. it's been in mediocrity a long time.
[15:57:07] <Gravis> you're selfish and boring.
[15:57:10] <Runaway1956> Hmmmmm - mediocrity, leaning toward exceptionalism at least.
[15:57:50] <Gravis> more like leaning toward delusion
[15:58:05] <Runaway1956> I'll give you boring, if you want to insist on it - but selfish? Pffffttt. You don't have any idea what you're talking about on that score.
[15:59:07] <takyon> https://soylentnews.org
[15:59:07] <snowfire> ^✓* 03SN article: Extra Testosterone May Benefit Older Men 04(5 comments) ( https://soylentnews.org )
[15:59:12] <Gravis> oh please, it's practically your signature
[15:59:36] <takyon> who runs the snowfire bot, its comment count is old
[16:00:05] <Runaway1956> https://www.rt.com
[16:00:07] <snowfire> ^ 03‘Russia a major military’: President Obama backtracks on Moscow’s defense capabilities — RT News ( https://www.rt.com )
[16:00:23] <Runaway1956> Always funny when a non-military fool attempts to assess a military force
[16:00:30] <takyon> obama denying reality? sounds like a non-story
[16:02:16] <Runaway1956> The Russkies haven't forgotten the pounding they took from the Nazis - every Russian alive today lost an aunt, and uncle, a grandparent, to German forces.
[16:02:48] <Runaway1956> They might change governments, but they are always ready to kick ass.
[16:03:53] <takyon> https://www.washingtonpost.com
[16:03:54] <snowfire> ^ 03France may pass a law allowing people to ignore work emails at home - The Washington Post
[16:03:56] <takyon> this I will submit
[16:07:51] <Runaway1956> Holy shite - british ambassador calling it like it is - https://www.rt.com
[16:07:52] <snowfire> ^ 03‘Dog returning to its own vomit’: UK’s ISIS policy ‘prolonging Syrian agony,’ says ex-ambassador — RT UK ( https://www.rt.com )
[16:09:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Laser Beam Incident Causes Redirection of Transatlantic Flight - http://sylnt.us - promoting-laser-beams-on-sharks
[16:10:52] <takyon> http://www.marketwatch.com
[16:10:53] <snowfire> ^ 03The unicorn era for tech startups is over - MarketWatch
[16:11:10] <Gravis> no! i just found a unicorn!
[16:11:16] <Gravis> fuckers!
[16:11:34] <Runaway1956> Where is he? I'm ready with my 12 gauge!
[16:12:30] * takyon gets stabbed in the chest
[16:12:32] <takyon> http://www.marketwatch.com
[16:12:33] <snowfire> ^ 03Indian company’s $4 smartphone may be too good to be true - MarketWatch
[16:12:49] <Gravis> Runaway1956: you're better off turning the 12 gauge on yourself.
[16:13:17] <Runaway1956> other people have failed, so there's not much point in me trying
[16:13:46] <Runaway1956> I'm going to die at age 104, the victim of a jealous husband
[16:13:47] <takyon> http://www.ucl.ac.uk
[16:13:48] <snowfire> ^ 03New hardware to expand fast fibre-to-the-home
[16:14:17] <Gravis> Runaway1956: then don't cheat on your husband
[16:14:37] <Runaway1956> Don't worry sweety, you're woman enough for me!
[16:16:03] <Gravis> hey, like i told TheMightyBuzzard, there are laws against beastiality. now put that dog down.
[16:17:01] <Runaway1956> Wow, I just checked my accounts - I'm RICH RICH FILTHY RICH!! Alright, not "filthy" rich, but 17,000 richer than I was yesterday. http://www.foxnews.com
[16:17:02] <snowfire> ^ 03Hospital pays nearly $17G in bitcoins to hackers who disabled computer network | Fox News
[16:18:34] <Gravis> fox news, really? and you're sticking to that claim about not being selfish?
[16:18:54] <Runaway1956> That wasn't selfish, I was performing a public service.
[16:19:43] <takyon> that news story was already on soylentnews, gravis
[16:19:47] <takyon> try to keep up
[16:19:48] <Gravis> no, fox news is where all the selfish people go for their reaffirment
[16:20:07] <Gravis> takyon: i'm no the one who posted the link
[16:20:17] * Runaway1956 watches Gravis shoot the messanger
[16:20:21] <takyon> you're the one complaining about a factually correct story
[16:20:36] <takyon> as if the label even matters when it's the same wire reporting
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[16:21:39] <Gravis> takyon: just because there is some overlap, doesn't mean they are equal
[16:22:20] <takyon> zippity zoop
[16:22:22] <takyon> umad
[16:22:37] <Runaway1956> bro?
[16:22:41] <takyon> breh
[16:23:11] <Gravis> (✿´ ꒳ ` )
[16:23:22] <Gravis> not a bit
[16:23:23] <Gravis> ≧◠◡◠≦
[16:24:41] <Gravis> mr doggy -> (U・ᴥ・U)
[16:25:23] <takyon> so where do you get all yours, copy and paste from some site?
[16:25:50] <Gravis> takyon: w-wha-what? me? nooooooooo.
[16:26:27] <Gravis> i mean... why would you think that? ∑(ﾟ∇ﾟ|||)
[16:26:34] <takyon> yeah you just press the less-than-equivalent-to key on your keyboard, of course
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[16:28:35] <Gravis> i'm just a normal typing person. （＾³＾）～♪
[16:29:16] <Runaway1956> You can get someone to do your typing for you, Gravis. Cheap, cheap, cheap. http://edition.cnn.com
[16:29:17] <snowfire> ^ 03Children for sale sadly easy to find in Nigeria - CNN.com
[16:29:37] <takyon> everyone has a price. especially when someone else sets the price
[16:30:09] <Bytram> http://feedproxy.google.com
[16:30:10] <snowfire> ^ 03Defense Agencies to Upgrade 4 Million Devices to Windows 10 | SecurityWeek.Com ( http://www.securityweek.com )
[16:30:25] <takyon> they held out on that huh
[16:32:48] <Runaway1956> sad
[16:32:56] <Gravis> secure windows 10 boxes? impossible! (:.;ﾟ;Д;ﾟ;.:)
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[16:36:44] <Gravis> so tired... must get back to my fallout shelter. _(´ω`_)⌒)_　））
[16:37:42] <takyon> Fallout 5
[16:43:01] <Runaway1956> The Bronx - almost as bad as Chicago. http://www.nytimes.com
[16:43:01] <snowfire> ^ 03( http://www.nytimes.com )
[17:08:55] <takyon> https://torrentfreak.com
[17:08:56] <snowfire> ^ 03Kanye West Delares War on The Pirate Bay - TorrentFreak
[17:17:12] <takyon> I never knew Michael Jackson tried to sue TPB
[18:05:07] <Bytram> http://arstechnica.com
[18:05:08] <snowfire> ^ 03A tale of two telescopes: Contrasting approaches in Hawaii and China | Ars Technica
[18:06:32] <Bytram> http://krebsonsecurity.com
[18:06:34] <snowfire> ^ 03This is Why People Fear the ?Internet of Things? — Krebs on Security
[18:06:58] <takyon> http://nextbigfuture.com
[18:06:59] <snowfire> ^ 03Next Big Future: Iran and Russia to Co-Produce Su-30 Fighter Jet
[18:07:37] <Bytram> that could make for some interesting developments
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[18:11:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - IBM Watson AI XPRIZE Offers $5 million for an AI to Save the World - http://sylnt.us - nature'll-anguish;-wreck-ignition
[18:14:12] <takyon> http://www.vice.com
[18:14:12] <snowfire> ^ 03How Ketamine Made Its Way Back into the UK | VICE | United States
[18:14:57] <takyon> http://www.npr.org
[18:14:58] <snowfire> ^ 03Is Organic More Nutritious? New Study Adds To The Evidence : The Salt : NPR
[18:20:48] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[18:20:48] <snowfire> ^ 03GCHQ intel used to develop Stuxnet, claims new documentary • The Register
[18:21:01] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[18:21:02] <snowfire> ^ 03Five Eyes nations must purge terrorists from the web, says Theresa May • The Register
[18:21:17] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[18:21:17] <snowfire> ^ 03China 'evacuates' 9,000 around monster radio 'scope • The Register
[18:32:36] <SirFinkus> more free shit on steam http://www.makewarnotlove.com
[18:32:37] <snowfire> ^ 03Make War Not Love 3
[18:32:43] <SirFinkus> have to give your email now
[18:33:11] <Bytram> afk break time
[18:41:32] <takyon> http://www.npr.org
[18:41:33] <snowfire> ^ 03Pope Suggests Contraception Use May Be 'Lesser Evil' For Those Fearing Zika : The Two-Way : NPR
[18:44:20] <takyon> http://www.npr.org
[18:44:20] <snowfire> ^ 03President Obama's Latin America Trip Will Include A Stop In Cuba : NPR
[18:47:14] <AndyTheAbsurd> NPR's URLs are highly decrapifiable. http://www.npr.org
[18:47:15] <snowfire> ^ 03President Obama's Latin America Trip Will Include A Stop In Cuba : NPR ( http://www.npr.org )
[18:51:16] <takyon> it's not that bad
[18:51:25] <takyon> ?utmsource and other stuff is what i consider crap
[18:51:59] <takyon> notice the bot even adds the crap right back anyway, so it takes up even more screen space
[18:52:14] <AndyTheAbsurd> that's because they're using a redirect and the bot reports that.
[18:52:20] <takyon> yeah I could tell
[18:52:51] <takyon> i'll be shoving my crap directly in your channel
[18:52:59] <AndyTheAbsurd> but yeah, I agree that ?utm= stuff is total crap
[18:53:17] <AndyTheAbsurd> I have a bookmarklet to delete it from the location bar before sharing links
[18:55:18] <AndyTheAbsurd> I was working on a "URL decrapifier" site that would produce the shortest possible link using the same domain as originally submitted for a while, because if you're actually *telling* someone about the link, presumable the SEO bullshit in the URL is not going to be of any importance, and I don't like generic URL shorteners like t.co and bit.ly because someone *could* be hiding a link to tubgirl or similar behind that.
[18:55:22] <takyon> https://theintercept.com
[18:55:22] <snowfire> ^ 03Hillary Clinton, With Little Notice, Vows to Embrace an Extremist Agenda on Israel
[19:02:21] <SirFinkus> AndyTheAbsurd in the case of NPR, that's actually more useful than the shorter url
[19:05:22] <takyon> https://theintercept.com
[19:05:23] <snowfire> ^ 03Trump Is Right, Bush Lied: A Little-Known Part of the Bogus Case for War
[19:07:12] <SirFinkus> now here's a shit url http://www.nytimes.com
[19:07:12] <snowfire> ^ 03( http://www.nytimes.com )
[19:07:30] <SirFinkus> lol snowfire got even more
[19:08:46] <takyon> holy
[19:08:57] <chromas> http://www.nytimes.com
[19:08:58] <snowfire> ^ 03( http://www.nytimes.com )
[19:09:21] <chromas> nytimes--
[19:09:21] <Bender> karma - nytimes: -1
[19:09:30] <takyon> that GIF though
[19:09:31] <SirFinkus> trash website too
[19:09:50] <SirFinkus> the design and content aren't bad, but it takes forever to load
[19:09:55] <SirFinkus> and it's buggy too
[19:15:54] <SirFinkus> oooh oooh free weekend on steam
[19:16:01] <SirFinkus> cities: skylines
[19:16:04] <SirFinkus> I'd recommend everyone play it
[19:16:18] <SirFinkus> it's a spiritual successor to sim city and very well done
[19:16:33] <takyon> hnn
[19:20:26] <takyon> http://www.marketwatch.com
[19:20:27] <snowfire> ^ 03Apple’s iPhone sales fall for the first time, says Gartner - MarketWatch
[19:20:44] <SirFinkus> it's because they're ENABLING TERRISTS
[19:22:33] <takyon> hahaha
[19:22:38] <takyon> but that was in Q4
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[19:30:38] <Bytram> SAD solution? https://www.sciencedaily.com
[19:30:38] <snowfire> ^✓ 03( https://www.sciencedaily.com )
[19:42:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Robotic Drones to 'Print' Emergency Shelters for Those in Need - http://sylnt.us - gimme-shelter
[19:50:08] <takyon> #submit http://www.bath.ac.uk
[19:50:10] <MrPlow> Unable to get a title from that page
[19:50:41] <takyon> http://www.npr.org
[19:50:41] <snowfire> ^ 03Survey: Clinton Maintains Massive Superdelegate Lead : NPR
[19:53:15] <Bytram> https://theconversation.com
[19:53:18] <snowfire> ^ 03Could laser-powered superconductors spark a technological revolution?
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[20:11:46] <chromas> They sure made the new set of free shat on steam a lot of work to receive
[20:16:39] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[20:16:39] <snowfire> ^ 03Brits unveil 'revolutionary' hydrogen-powered car • The Register
[20:17:36] <chromas> :|
[20:17:50] <chromas> those scarequotes led me to believe there was rotation involved
[20:18:04] <chromas> like they were making a pun
[20:18:36] * chromas notes that hybrid and probably electric cars have regenerative braking
[20:20:23] <takyon> so I guess the revolution is that they added a supercapacitor
[20:20:59] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[20:21:00] <snowfire> ^ 03FBI iPhone brouhaha sparks Apple Store protest in San Francisco • The Register
[20:21:10] <takyon> they should hold this protest in front of the FBI building
[20:21:52] <takyon> http://www.tomshardware.com
[20:21:53] <snowfire> ^ 03Mixed Reactions From Major Tech Companies On Apple’s Backdoor Fight With FBI
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[20:22:52] <Bytram> bit of a problem for bitcoin miner company: http://www.itworld.com
[20:22:53] <snowfire> ^ 03Butterfly Labs can't afford the $39M fine to settle charges it duped bitcoin hopefuls | ITworld ( http://www.itworld.com )
[20:24:21] <takyon> ouch
[20:25:10] <Bytram> yeah, they were happy to take people's money who ordered the machines, but (apparently) failed to ship what was promised, on time.
[20:29:31] <takyon> the Bitcoin shovel/pick sellers can't deliver
[20:29:34] <takyon> some gold rush
[20:29:44] <Bytram> zactly
[20:29:44] <takyon> and ASICs are old hat
[20:32:33] <Bytram> https://en.wikipedia.org
[20:32:34] <snowfire> ^ 03Wiki: The Cat in the Hat
[20:35:39] <Bytram> http://phys.org
[20:35:40] <snowfire> ^ 03WFIRST: NASA introduces new, wider set of eyes on the universe
[20:35:41] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[20:35:42] <snowfire> ^ 03LISA Pathfinder drops its gravity-wave-finding golden boxes • The Register
[20:39:02] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[20:39:03] <snowfire> ^ 03Pilot posts detailed MS Flight Sim video of how to land Boeing 737 • The Register
[20:39:40] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[20:39:41] <snowfire> ^ 03China wants to bring home moon rocks in moon vacuum • The Register
[20:41:52] <crutchy> coffee++
[20:41:52] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2251
[20:41:53] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[20:41:58] <crutchy> tgif++
[20:41:58] <Bender> karma - tgif: 5
[20:42:02] <Bytram|away> nap time
[20:42:12] <crutchy> ahoy! Bytram|away
[20:42:17] <crutchy> g'night buddy o/
[20:42:28] <Bytram|away> yeah, sorry about the timing!
[20:42:44] <Bytram|away> has been a long week and it's caught up with me.
[20:42:53] <crutchy> hear hear
[20:43:02] <Bytram|away> be sure to check out dev and see the progress they've made with using css to expand/collapse comments
[20:43:07] <Bytram|away> ~uid
[20:43:09] <exec> The current maximum UID is 6125, owned by dlong
[20:43:14] <Bytram|away> oh, a new one!
[20:44:20] <crutchy> i guess css3 is still better than js
[20:44:26] <crutchy> hmm
[20:44:31] <crutchy> anything is better than js
[20:45:12] <AndyTheAbsurd> even a page produced via a Perl CGI script?
[20:45:15] <crutchy> actually weren't they using something like greasemonkey before?
[20:45:43] <crutchy> oh that's just a firefox addin
[20:46:10] <Bytram|away> doesn't ammter so much *how* they make it, to me it is the quality of the product: does it do what is needed and reasonably efficiently?
[20:46:15] <Bytram|away> s/ammter/matter/
[20:46:15] <sedctl> <Bytram|away> doesn't matter so much *how* they make it, to me it is the quality of the product: does it do what is needed and reasonably efficiently?
[20:46:26] * Bytram|away is too tired to type right.
[20:46:30] <Bytram|away> naptime
[20:46:35] <Bytram|away> have fun!
[20:46:38] <crutchy> sleep well mate
[20:46:45] <Bytram|away> nod nod noddddding off!
[20:48:26] <crutchy> http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au
[20:48:26] <snowfire> ^ 03Selfie-Crazed Beachgoers Kill Rare Dolphin
[20:48:36] <crutchy> that's pretty sad
[20:50:40] <crutchy> looks like isis has moved into turkey?
[20:50:50] <crutchy> maybe
[20:51:00] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[20:51:01] <snowfire> ^ 03Big Content picks first download-block target: THE SUN! • The Register
[20:51:08] <takyon> Pirate-site SolarMovie first test for Australia's not-a-filter Internet filter
[20:52:02] <crutchy> heh. i'm thinking the aussie government just enacted the toothless internet law to put the mpaa back in its cage
[20:53:26] <crutchy> mpaa: "piracy! copyright!..." aussie politician: "aww if i vote for this dumn law will you just shut the fuck up and leave me drink my beer in peace?"
[21:01:02] <takyon> https://theintercept.com
[21:01:03] <snowfire> ^ 03The Horror Story of Publishing Children’s Books in Russia
[21:13:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - UCL Researchers Could Enable Lower Cost 10 Gbps Fiber-to-the-Home With New Hardware - http://sylnt.us - feel-the-need-for-speed
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[21:20:11] <takyon> http://www.vice.com
[21:20:13] <snowfire> ^ 03Oslo Has 'Racism Inspectors' Who Police Discrimination at the City's Nightclubs | VICE | United States
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[21:27:29] <takyon> http://newscenter.lbl.gov
[21:27:29] <snowfire> ^ 03A Step Toward Custom-made Nanoscale Chemical Plants
[21:29:05] <takyon> http://nextbigfuture.com
[21:29:05] <snowfire> ^ 03Next Big Future: Microwave quantum tuning fork could lead to Quantum Information Processing and enhanced magnetic resonance devices
[21:29:35] <takyon> http://www.tomshardware.com
[21:29:37] <snowfire> ^ 03Leap Motion Announces Orion Hand Tracking For VR And AR
[21:35:54] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[21:35:54] <snowfire> ^ 03'Hobbit' heads aren't human says bone boffin • The Register
[21:37:09] <takyon> http://www.bbc.com
[21:37:11] <snowfire> ^ 03Pope's plane reports laser flash during Mexico landing - BBC News
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[21:48:53] <takyon> how do I use "crime beat' in a sentence
[21:49:16] <takyon> inb4 "How do I use crime beat in a sentence?" is the suggested sentence
[21:51:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> takyon, start with "crime beat" and put other words around it. maybe some punctuation too.
[21:51:28] <takyon> I think I have it
[21:51:50] <takyon> In another story from the UK laser crime beat, Englishman Philip Houghton has been sentenced to 20 weeks in prison for admitting to shining a laser pen at a Humberside Police helicopter that was investigating a shooting.
[21:53:31] <module000> takyon: "Officers patrol their crime beat."
[21:53:53] <takyon> I think you get what I'm going for from the above text
[21:53:58] <takyon> I mean the journalistic beat
[21:54:45] <module000> makes sense
[21:56:28] <takyon> I wouldn't want to use bad grammar, I might get murdered straight up laser gangland style.
[21:58:01] <paulej72> !moo
[21:58:10] <paulej72> ~moo
[21:58:10] <exec> (__)
[21:58:10] <exec> (oo)
[21:58:11] <exec> /------\/
[21:58:11] <exec> / | ||
[21:58:11] <exec> * /\---/\
[21:58:12] <exec> ~~ ~~
[21:58:13] <exec> ..."It's a Bird ... It's a Plane ... It's Super Cow!"...
[21:58:22] <paulej72> !bier
[21:58:22] * Bender geeft een flesje grolsch aan paulej72
[21:59:16] <takyon> I've done the impossible by managing to get lasers, the Pope, Zika virus, contraception, and Donald Trump all into one short summary
[21:59:26] <takyon> it's coming full circle
[21:59:55] <takyon> !biere
[22:00:12] <takyon> was hoping to get a Belgian out of that
[22:00:23] * TheMightyBuzzard grumbles to himself
[22:01:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, grocery shopping time.
[22:01:39] <paulej72> buy me some too
[22:03:11] <takyon> http://www.bbc.com
[22:03:13] <snowfire> ^ 03Academy sues over unofficial Oscars goody bag - BBC News
[22:14:31] <takyon> http://www.bbc.com
[22:14:32] <snowfire> ^ 03Joint enterprise ruling: A moment of genuine legal history - BBC News
[22:17:57] <takyon> http://www.bbc.com
[22:17:59] <snowfire> ^ 03Australia town consumed by 'hairy panic' - BBC News
[22:21:57] <chromas> most photos I can find look photoshopped
[22:22:03] <chromas> must be because of the fuzziness
[22:22:18] <qkontinuum> TheMightyBuzzard, How do you add test accounts to a dev-instance? Is there an easier way than sending email? A helper-script or something?
[22:22:27] <chromas> this one looks okay: http://cdn.inquisitr.com
[22:22:51] <chromas> Maybe you can edit the database ;)
[22:24:37] <qkontinuum> chromas, probably. but I don't know which fields I need to set. I could search for it, but I guess once one knows it it could easily be scripted instead
[22:24:46] <qkontinuum> So I hoped someone did already
[22:27:56] <takyon> http://www.bbc.com
[22:27:56] <snowfire> ^ 03Barack Obama features in Russian anti-smoking ad - BBC News
[22:28:24] <takyon> why do you neeed photos of the tumbleweeds?
[22:28:34] <takyon> when you can just use a photo of Obama smoking
[22:32:58] <takyon> http://www.marketwatch.com
[22:32:59] <snowfire> ^ 03Really, is 78.8 years long enough to live? - MarketWatch
[22:34:59] <chromas> Sure, make everyone else die early. I wanna live forever
[22:35:31] <chromas> Sitting in the background, making snide remarks and terrible, groan-inducing jokes forever
[22:44:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Original 1977 Star Wars 35mm Print Restored and Released Online - http://sylnt.us - Han-shot.-Period.
[22:50:38] <takyon> http://www.bbc.com
[22:50:39] <snowfire> ^ 03TED 2016: The Void offers new taste of virtual reality - BBC News
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[23:18:32] <paulej72> tea++
[23:18:32] <Bender> karma - tea: 534
[23:19:44] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[23:20:01] <paulej72> !uid
[23:20:01] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6125, owned by dlong
[23:31:23] <paulej72> where oh where has my little dog gone, oh where oh where can he be
[23:34:10] <Bytram> !uid
[23:34:10] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6125, owned by dlong
[23:34:18] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[23:34:20] <exec> 10Boston, MA, USA - currently 31°F, clear with periodic clouds, wind NW at 14 mph, humidity 32% - Thursday clear (18°F:32°F), Friday mostly sunny (31°F:39°F), Saturday partly cloudy (38°F:49°F), Sunday mostly sunny (33°F:52°F)
[23:34:23] <Bytram> ~weather portland. me
[23:34:25] <exec> 10Portland, ME, USA - currently 28°F, clear, wind NW at 13 mph, humidity 45% - Thursday clear (13°F:32°F), Friday mostly sunny (29°F:36°F), Saturday showers (33°F:44°F), Sunday partly cloudy (27°F:47°F)
[23:34:31] <Bytram> ~weather presque isle
[23:34:33] <exec> 10Presque Isle, ME, USA - currently 16°F, clear, wind NW at 8 mph, humidity 52% - Thursday clear (7°F:25°F), Friday mostly sunny (20°F:33°F), Saturday rain and snow (30°F:38°F), Sunday snow showers (12°F:41°F)
[23:34:40] <Bytram> ~weather cincinatti
[23:34:42] <exec> 10Cincinnati, OH, USA - currently 40°F, mostly cloudy, wind SE at 10 mph, humidity 56% - Thursday partly cloudy (34°F:43°F), Friday cloudy (47°F:60°F), Saturday partly cloudy (49°F:64°F), Sunday showers (36°F:55°F)
[23:36:07] <JamesNZ> ligo++
[23:36:07] <Bender> karma - ligo: 1
[23:37:23] <Bytram> qkontinuum: re: adding test accounts to a dev-instance... I do not know, offhand. It would be tremendously useful to know, though. Given that your DB is [relatively] small... I'd suggest dumping the DB, adding a user, dumping again, and doing a diff.
[23:37:58] <Bytram> long ago, I did something similar wrt table and column defs and have been meaning to write an automated tool to extract and format it.
[23:38:25] <Bytram> It's prolly out of date atm, but I'd happily e-mail you a copy of what I have.
[23:40:19] <Gravis> if you got mod points to blow, mark informative! https://soylentnews.org
[23:40:19] <snowfire> ^ 03SN comment by [02Gravis (4596)] (02Score:2)
[23:58:49] <qkontinuum> Bytram, thanks, but that request is already obsolete. It wasn't documented that a user 'slash' was already added to the DB (or at least I didn't see it). However, paulej72 told me in #dev that there are still other issues with the VM. Thanks for offering. I joined #dev to keep the topic there for future questions.