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[00:16:08] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v nick] by Imogen
[00:18:00] <SoyCow8405> Hello
[00:19:53] <Deucalion> hi SoyCow8405
[00:21:04] <SoyCow8405> I've been searching for an article I saw around here, but have had no luck
[00:21:12] <SoyCow8405> Hoping to probe the memories of an editor :)
[00:22:07] <Deucalion> what was the article about?
[00:22:31] <SoyCow8405> desalinization using quite a different method than I heard of before
[00:23:21] <SoyCow8405> It was repurposed industrial waste management technology that was applied to sea water and found to seperate out the water very efficiently
[00:24:07] <SoyCow8405> Dubai I think might be using the technology. It was in the millions of liters per day for capacity in their plant
[00:25:26] <Deucalion> I can see a couple about using solar power for desalination from 2014
[00:26:01] <SoyCow8405> I found several, but the method in use apparently required no other energy other than tidal forces
[00:26:25] <SoyCow8405> I should've bookmarked it
[00:26:44] <SoyCow8405> Somebody is researching desal methods and I really want to provide a source
[00:27:26] <Deucalion> Googlying for site:soylentnews.org desalination brings up a few, but I can't see one about industrial waste management being involved
[00:29:11] <SoyCow8405> Closest I came was Pig Sludge Separation to Drinking Water
[00:30:10] <SoyCow8405> Thanks for trying to help
[00:30:16] <SoyCow8405> I'll keep searching for it
[00:32:56] <paulej72> hello again, hello
[00:38:48] <cmn32480> all the cables are pulled back
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[00:39:41] <cmn32480> SoyCow8405 - everythgin I am seeing is from california
[00:39:48] <cmn32480> using solar concentrators
[00:53:32] <SirFinkus> lo folks
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[01:07:18] <paulej72> hi lo, hi lo, its off to work we go
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[01:09:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Buffer Overflow in getaddrinfo() - http://sylnt.us - patch-tuesday
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[01:17:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, that was a quality pot of beans if i do say so myself
[01:19:25] <paulej72> the more you eat the more you toot
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[01:27:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> indeed. my bedsheets are going to look like one of those wacky waving inflatable arm waving tube men tonight.
[01:32:18] <paulej72> lol
[01:34:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> going to give that story another day then count up the unique responses in favor vs the total number of responses. see if there's enough interest to bother.
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[01:40:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> there were good points about warrants though. i'd prefer we do it in such a way as to minimize anything they could actually access if we end up doing it.
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[01:56:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> sweet zombie jesus... when will we finally be done with bloody buffer overflows? that shit wasn't new when i first started coding back in the 80s.
[01:56:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[01:56:36] <snowfire> ^✓* 03Patch ASAP: Tons of Linux apps can be hijacked by evil DNS servers, man-in-the-middle miscreants • The Register
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[02:18:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> sigh, reading up on css so i can get us to where we can de-javascript our collapsible comments. got a lot to learn for i am not a web monkey but a perl monkey.
[02:19:28] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I am looking at this too
[02:20:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> smooth, whoever figures it out first can code it up but we should probably both keep reading until we understand it.
[02:24:29] <paulej72> I understand it, but we may not be able to use it for what we need. as in collapse a comment or a tree
[02:24:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> might have to rearrange some templates and divs but i betcha we can do it.
[02:27:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, i'm gonna go watch an episode of buffy before bed and mock something up in the morning until i grok what's necessary.
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[02:45:13] <Bytram> !uid
[02:45:13] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6123, owned by Spelli
[02:45:17] <paulej72> Bytram
[02:45:22] <Bytram> paulej72: hiya!
[02:45:34] <paulej72> what issue were you having with buttons
[02:45:35] <Bytram> how you be?
[02:45:51] <Bytram> oh. it was on dev.
[02:45:53] <Bytram> hold on a bit while I look again
[02:45:55] <paulej72> I am fine, and you
[02:46:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, https://dev.soylentnews.org
[02:46:21] <snowfire> ^ 03Dev.SN Submissions
[02:46:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> have a look
[02:46:25] <Bytram> very tired. long day at work and to short a night before it
[02:46:52] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: yep, that's the one
[02:47:05] <Bytram> I'm using the default color scheme on dev
[02:47:07] <paulej72> what is the issue??
[02:47:27] <Bytram> at the row of buttons at the bottom
[02:47:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> you not seeing all the notes buttons being the wrong color/shape?
[02:47:40] <Bytram> update / delete / merge / select all / select none
[02:48:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, also two of the buttons down there don't match
[02:48:12] <Bytram> font / outline / color for those buttons I just listed don't match
[02:48:22] <paulej72> OK, I'll need to style those separtly
[02:48:28] <Bytram> "Select All" and "Select None" are correct
[02:48:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks fine on prod
[02:48:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> may just need to bring dev up to speed on template changes if it's not
[02:48:59] <Bytram> paulej72: do you see the difference on dev?
[02:49:32] <paulej72> yes, but did not realize that it was an issue at first until I lood at prod
[02:50:47] <Bytram> I appreciate your looking into it!
[03:00:00] <SanityCheck> I doubt u can do accordian without JS
[03:02:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> pretty sure we can but the css may need to be dynamically generated
[03:03:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> annoying but doable
[03:03:51] <paulej72> Bytram: buttons are fixed
[03:04:09] <Bytram> huh? WOW! that was quick!
[03:04:13] * Bytram goes to take a look
[03:07:52] <Bytram> paulej72: Looks MUCH better!
[03:08:19] <Bytram> I'm still seeing 'different-looking' buttons for 'Update', 'Delete', and 'Merge' as well as 'Search'...
[03:08:31] <Bytram> a quick glance at the code suggests those are implemented
[03:08:42] <Bytram> as '<input...' instead of '<button'
[03:09:01] <paulej72> and they are that way on prod
[03:09:10] <Bytram> that said, it still looks so much better! thanks!
[03:09:44] <Bytram> bear in mind I am absolutely exhausted, so do take everything I say tonight with the proverbial ppound of sand.
[03:10:07] <takyon> #submit http://www.bbc.com
[03:10:10] <MrPlow> Submitting. Be patient, there's a mandatory delay
[03:10:40] <MrPlow> Story submitted. https://soylentnews.org
[03:10:45] <takyon> #submit http://www.bbc.com
[03:10:53] <MrPlow> Submitting. Be patient, there's a mandatory delay
[03:11:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> SanityCheck, figured out how to collapse what needs to be collapsed via css. now just need to learn my way around targets so i can make them be collapsed or expanded on demand.
[03:11:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - "SKYNET" Might Have Killed Thousands of Innocent People - in Real Life - http://sylnt.us - make-bad-scifi-real
[03:11:23] <MrPlow> Story submitted. https://soylentnews.org
[03:12:02] <takyon> is that a pure CSS no-JS method you're working on TMB?
[03:12:04] <Bytram> biab afk
[03:12:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> takyon, yar
[03:12:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> well not yet it's not but it bloody well will be.
[03:12:57] <takyon> http://www.w3schools.com
[03:12:57] <snowfire> ^ 03CSS3 :target Selector
[03:15:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> takyon, ya, i'm readin n readin.
[03:15:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> guess i really shoulda updated my html skillz since they started adding version numbers to it.
[03:15:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, hows this for collapsed? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com
[03:16:31] <takyon> looks good but what's happening here
[03:16:55] <takyon> Is it a new way to have collapsed comments that shows you more information about the comment?
[03:16:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> forced em to be collapsed via user style
[03:17:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> well it's gonna have to be a new way. can't see how to collapse them to what we have right now.
[03:17:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> not via css
[03:18:14] <takyon> oh
[03:18:27] <takyon> is this a fallback where no fallback was previously for non-JS users?
[03:18:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> but, and this is important, i collapsed the tree and its subcomments all with one style.
[03:18:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> takyon, replacement more like.
[03:19:26] <takyon> this looks like it will take up more vertical space on the page
[03:19:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> i spose we could keep the js since i can collapse trees without adding or subtracting anything but it'd get a bit funky.
[03:19:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> will
[03:20:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> i was thinking i might could nuke the "details" classed div too and get rid of the info, just leave the title.
[03:21:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> but leave the styling for later. i got a lot of reading yet to do.
[03:21:21] <takyon> email me your current css scheme and I'll see what I can do
[03:22:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah not yet. it's like two lines of css just to see what it looked like.
[03:22:17] <takyon> paste 'em
[03:23:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> #tree_305464 .commentBody {display:none;}
[03:23:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> #tree_305464 .commentBody {display:none;}
[03:23:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, wrong copy on the 2nd
[03:23:26] <takyon> i can tell
[03:23:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> #tree_305464 div[id*="comment_sub_"] {display:none;}
[03:23:51] <takyon> now that's what I call a selector
[03:24:01] * Bytram nods in agreement
[03:24:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> we can get as funky as we gotta with selectors but i got a feeling we're gonna have to generate the css to collapse/expand them every bloody page load.
[03:25:08] <Bytram> I wonder how backwards compatible that is? IOW, how recent a browser must one use for that to work?
[03:25:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> anything that supports css3 should handle it fine.
[03:25:44] <Bytram> that puts an additional load on the server, for each generated page, right?
[03:25:51] * Bytram is not complaining, just trying to understand
[03:26:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> a minimal one. just yet another tedious template to write.
[03:26:15] <Bytram> k
[03:26:18] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: you are doing it wrong
[03:26:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> true but it worked
[03:26:39] <Bytram> that makes it right, write?
[03:26:40] <paulej72> should not need to have specific css
[03:26:42] <Bytram> ;)
[03:26:53] <takyon> it can be generalized later probably
[03:26:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya think?
[03:26:59] <takyon> guess I'll inspect a comment and see how tree/sub works
[03:27:33] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: did you look at the source code for the demo
[03:28:09] <Bytram> don't have much to contribute to this discussion... I just run with threshold/breakthrough at -1 (so I see *everything*), and I do nested, oldest first.
[03:28:30] <takyon> -1/3 here
[03:28:37] <paulej72> the key is do adjacent sibling styling
[03:28:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i'm not keeping that css like i said though. just learning some selector-fu while i looked at what they'd look like collapsed.
[03:31:05] <takyon> maybe a general sibling selector collapsing every portion after the title
[03:31:14] <takyon> ~
[03:33:06] <takyon> #tree_305464 .commentTop ~ div {display:none;}
[03:34:23] <dyingtolive> just spent all this time trying to figure out why my macbook couldn't ssh to my bsd box. turns out it was fucking mtu issue. ugh.
[03:34:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> dyingtolive, nice! haven't seen one of them in... wow, a longass time.
[03:35:23] <dyingtolive> i still don't really understand why 1500 on both sides was failing. works for literally every other device i've put on my network. oh well.
[03:35:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> beats me. 1500 shouldn't bitch about getting or sending 1500s
[03:36:35] <dyingtolive> maybe it's set strange on the router? i'll have to check that next.
[03:36:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean it's fucking default for ethernet cards the world over on every os worth mentioning.
[03:37:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, dsl router maybe?
[03:37:07] <dyingtolive> i'm not a networking guy, honestly. i know just enough to be dangerous.
[03:37:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause a dsl router would likely be set to 1492 i think it was
[03:37:43] <dyingtolive> it's a crappy netgear one. i have a seperate cable modem.
[03:37:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmm
[03:38:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> cable should be 1500 as well i'm pretty sure.
[03:39:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, enough monkeying for me today. bed.
[03:39:23] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: checkbox to close comment is dead simple as it is going to use child selector.
[03:39:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, nod nod
[03:40:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i say nod nod but i'd hafta go learn what that looks like first. my css is epic shit.
[03:41:03] <paulej72> checkbox for tree collapse is a bit tricker as we need to use the sibling slector
[03:41:09] <dyingtolive> stupid broke dick router doesn't even expose that setting to me. last time i get a router without checking the dd-wrt compatbility list.
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[03:46:31] <takyon> omg did MrPlow only submit one story earlier
[03:46:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> takyon, probably. there's a limit to how fast you can submit stories.
[03:47:03] <takyon> it gave me a confirm on both though
[03:47:09] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: the bug that is in that demo was fixed in 2014
[03:47:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> good to know
[03:47:51] <takyon> #submit http://www.bbc.com
[03:47:53] <MrPlow> Submitting. Be patient, there's a mandatory delay
[03:47:57] <paulej72> therefore we need not need to use direct adjacent selector and we should be able to get this to work
[03:48:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, whadda ya think about moving the details data out to the right of the score so we can collapse without losing that info?
[03:48:23] <MrPlow> Story submitted. https://soylentnews.org
[03:49:55] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: collpase just the body of the comment leave the details there
[03:50:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> alternatively we could have it be set to display:none unless it is collapsed and leave the details data where it is as well.
[03:50:01] <takyon> did you look at the selector I posted, or are you looking for something different?
[03:50:04] <Deucalion> dyingtolive, are both the macbook and bsd box on your LAN?
[03:50:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> save us a line of vertical space
[03:51:02] <takyon> let's see
[03:51:21] <paulej72> we have long titles
[03:51:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> can, yeah.
[03:52:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> can also have narrow screens
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[03:52:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, you convinced me.
[03:53:01] <takyon> trying to make the details float:right
[03:53:05] <takyon> or something
[03:53:08] <paulej72> we can work that out later once we get something working
[03:54:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup yup. ima let you poke at it since you done got way better css chops than me. still gonna use the next day or two to get my ass up to speed though.
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[03:54:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> dyingtolive, you changed your mtu again, didn't you?
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[03:55:40] <paulej72> input (collapse tree checkbox) div (with comment) ul (comment tree) would be our order
[03:56:42] <paulej72> we collapse both the comment body and tree with that checkbox that we push into the comment title div with margins and what not
[03:58:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, i can see merit in not leaving even the titles of the collapsed tree comments, just the parent.
[03:59:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> that would save a LOT of vertical room.
[03:59:54] <paulej72> that is what I menat keep the parent tile kill its boday and hide the ul with the children
[04:01:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dunno. we should try it that way and leaving the title bars of collapsed comments. see which we like better.
[04:01:21] <paulej72> close all and open all would not work very well in this case
[04:01:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> personally i like closing it good and proper when i say close, like a file manager.
[04:01:50] <paulej72> When I collapse a tree I want it to go away
[04:02:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't think we should bother with individual comment collapses either.
[04:02:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> tree only
[04:02:58] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: the indvidual collapes are what the threashold sets.
[04:03:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> ed zackery
[04:03:32] <paulej72> if below the threshold set the checked for the comment so that it is displayed collapsed
[04:03:55] <paulej72> the check then lets you open it
[04:03:58] <chromas> Do people collapse comments?
[04:04:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> i do on long pages
[04:04:22] <chromas> Once I've read the comment, I scroll and it's offscreen
[04:04:37] <chromas> scrolling back up to collapse a parent or something seems like extra work
[04:05:13] <Bytram> chromas: I do not collapse comments; I run with everything expanded all the way down to -1, right from the start
[04:05:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> not scrolling back up to collapse it. scrolling back up after you've hit F5 to see new stuff and hiding the thread full of morons.
[04:05:21] <chromas> me too
[04:05:24] <paulej72> well on the other site sometimes I need to git rid of a whole tree because it is troll resprtin to troll
[04:05:46] <chromas> I only use the + when I'm not logged in somewhere
[04:06:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> i run all comments, all expanded, all the time.
[04:06:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> no fucking reparenting either cause thas sick n wrong.
[04:06:55] <paulej72> I leave -1s collapsed
[04:07:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, you miss a lot of mine then =P
[04:07:19] <paulej72> well I can open them
[04:07:58] <paulej72> I can give my fiends a +1 too, but I don't
[04:08:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya. i don't monkey with scores either. raw meritocracy.
[04:09:08] <chromas> -1, Problematic
[04:09:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> -1, STFU
[04:11:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> ugh, you bastards done kept me up an hour past my bedtime. must sleep now.
[04:12:06] <paulej72> ok, I should do the same
[04:14:36] <Bytram> ok, can't keep my eyes open
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[04:15:15] <Buytam> wuitg'night everyone!
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[04:42:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Khronos Group Releases Vulkan 1.0 Graphics Specification - http://sylnt.us - live-long-and-phosphor || Lost Mozart-Salieri Composition Performed - http://sylnt.us
[04:44:45] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[04:44:46] <snowfire> ^ 03Project Loon ready for Sri Lanka test • The Register
[04:45:03] <takyon> oh no
[04:45:08] <takyon> lets move the mozart story
[04:46:03] <cmn32480> move it how?
[04:46:05] <cmn32480> later?
[04:46:07] <cmn32480> earlier?
[04:46:13] <takyon> i did it
[04:46:14] <cmn32480> to the rubbish poile?
[04:46:20] <takyon> look at Bender
[04:46:28] <takyon> it was released a few minutes after Khronos story
[04:46:37] <cmn32480> DOH
[04:47:14] <cmn32480> ok
[04:47:18] <cmn32480> we are good to 11:30
[04:47:21] <cmn32480> I'm going home
[04:47:30] <cmn32480> to pack
[04:47:38] <cmn32480> then get up early and get my fat ass on a plane
[04:48:08] <cmn32480> I'll probably be on from the airport or the plane
[04:48:19] <cmn32480> ~gnight #soylent
[04:48:21] * exec brazenly passes a blagoblag of skittles to #soylent
[04:49:26] <takyon> night
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[06:44:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Iron Meteorites May be Hidden Under the Antarctic Ice - http://sylnt.us - rocky-beginning
[07:06:27] <SirFinkus> http://store.steampowered.com
[07:06:28] <snowfire> ^ 03Make War Not Love 3 - Prize 1 (no cost) on Steam
[07:06:32] <SirFinkus> free steam games
[07:06:39] <SirFinkus> click on and then install it
[07:10:15] <crutchy> trump is a nutbag
[07:10:24] <SirFinkus> no shit?
[07:10:47] <crutchy> it's mindboggling that so many people like him
[07:11:36] <crutchy> i'm gunna have a go at making a plague inc-like game in delphi
[07:11:55] <JamesNZ> crutchy: It's all in the hairstyle.
[07:11:55] <crutchy> not sure if it will turn into anything. i've started a few games that have gone nowhere
[07:12:37] <crutchy> it will get scary if he's put in charge of america's nukes
[07:13:02] <crutchy> russia is gunna start building up their defenses even more
[07:13:10] <crutchy> same with china
[07:13:14] <crutchy> will be a new cold war
[07:13:33] <SirFinkus> http://www.pcgamer.com
[07:13:34] <snowfire> ^ 03Jet Set Radio and Golden Axe are free on Steam - PC Gamer
[07:13:39] <JamesNZ> "YOU get nuked! And YOU get nuked! And YOOUU get nuked!"
[07:16:06] <crutchy> "i'm gunna nuke you and then make you pay for it!"
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[07:38:30] <chromas> I wish they'd do a jet set radio future hd remake
[07:38:35] <chromas> or a sequel or something
[07:39:04] <chromas> SirFinkus++ # free shat
[07:39:04] <Bender> karma - sirfinkus: 26
[07:40:12] <SirFinkus> yeah
[07:42:07] <chromas> I don't understand the contest or whatever but woohoo++
[07:44:26] <SirFinkus> I don't either, friend sent me the link
[07:45:22] * chromas passes it on
[08:15:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - China Places Surface-to-Air Missile Launchers on Disputed Island - http://sylnt.us - won't-stop-a-submarine
[08:19:27] <crutchy> https://youtu.be
[08:19:28] <snowfire> ^ 03Firewatch Gameplay Walkthrough Part 1 - INTRO - YouTube ( https://www.youtube.com )
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[09:01:11] <SirFinkus> http://www.apple.com
[09:01:12] <snowfire> ^ 03Customer Letter - Apple
[09:01:20] <SirFinkus> holy shit, how did I miss this?
[09:05:51] <SirFinkus> conspiracy time:
[09:06:19] <SirFinkus> the fbi is just pretending to need apple's help, and this whole thing is a stunt so people think iphones are secure from the FBI
[09:15:43] <qkontinuum> I think I found a solution for those who desperately want to communicate privately. It just requires some commitment from both sides. https://soylentnews.org
[09:15:44] <snowfire> ^ 03SN journal My GPG public key 04(0 comments)
[09:16:12] <SirFinkus> hah, that's a thought
[09:18:12] * SirFinkus can't stop watching these videos
[09:18:13] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[09:18:14] <snowfire> ^ 03How to make Elemental Bromine (from household items) - YouTube
[09:26:23] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[09:26:24] <snowfire> ^ 03Extracting Lidocaine from Anal Lubricant - YouTube
[09:26:25] <SirFinkus> HAHAHAHA
[09:27:24] <SirFinkus> "maximum strength anal lube"
[09:30:36] <qkontinuum> Hm. Being in office atm, I guess I'll have to go through the irc-log later :-)
[09:30:51] <SirFinkus> actually sfw
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[09:46:26] <FatPhil> "brand new, never-before used bottle"
[09:50:46] <chromas> Used once. Like new. Minimal scratching
[10:04:53] <qkontinuum> SirFinkus sfw maybe, but I'm quite loaded with work... So, later... But what would you need Bromine for? Wikipedia doesn't provide any exciting ideas imo
[10:16:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tidal Wave: New Kanye West Album Torrented Half a Million Times - http://sylnt.us - but-is-it-any-good?
[11:14:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:14:01] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2230
[11:14:52] <Buytam> coffee++
[11:14:52] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2231
[11:15:01] <Buytam> ~uid
[11:15:02] <exec> The current maximum UID is 6124, owned by gehale
[11:15:16] * Buytam should register gehardy
[11:18:40] <Buytam> ~weather boston
[11:18:42] <exec> 10Boston, MA, USA - currently 34°F / 1°C, clear, wind W at 9 mph, humidity 72% - Wednesday mostly sunny (27°F:44°F / -3°C:7°C), Thursday partly cloudy (20°F:34°F / -7°C:1°C), Friday mostly sunny (32°F:40°F / 0°C:4°C), Saturday mostly cloudy (36°F:51°F / 2°C:11°C)
[11:18:45] <Buytam> ~weather portland, me
[11:18:47] <exec> 10Portland, ME, USA - currently 32°F / 0°C, clear, wind NW at 6 mph, humidity 84% - Wednesday mostly sunny (24°F:41°F / -4°C:5°C), Thursday partly cloudy (13°F:34°F / -11°C:1°C), Friday mostly sunny (29°F:35°F / -2°C:2°C), Saturday scattered showers (31°F:45°F / -1°C:7°C)
[11:18:50] <Buytam> ~weather presque isle
[11:18:52] <exec> 10Presque Isle, ME, USA - currently 31°F / -1°C, mostly cloudy, wind W at 6 mph, humidity 82% - Wednesday mostly cloudy (10°F:36°F / -12°C:2°C), Thursday partly cloudy (2°F:21°F / -17°C:-6°C), Friday mostly sunny (21°F:32°F / -6°C:0°C), Saturday rain and snow (31°F:40°F / -1°C:4°C)
[11:19:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> #weather
[11:19:30] <MrPlow> Today: Cloudy skies early, followed by partial clearing. High 47F. Winds light and variable. Tomorrow: A mainly sunny sky. High 63F. Winds SSE at 10 to 15 mph.
[11:20:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> yays! gonna be a nice thu for painting/soldering. get to finish up my boat.
[11:20:06] <Buytam> looks a bit warmer in your area
[11:20:22] <Buytam> hope it works out for ya
[11:20:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> may even get to go FISHING saturday
[11:20:41] <Buytam> good luck
[11:21:47] * Buytam just realized last night that SN went live earlier than he thought it did. So, story on the 2nd anniv is a bit late.
[11:22:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> woopsie
[11:22:16] <Buytam> and, I need to go back to bed and get some sleep before a busy day today.
[11:22:50] <Buytam> was already running on not-enough-sleep.
[11:22:52] <Buytam> yep
[11:24:44] <Buytam> TheMightyBuzzard: was wondering if you could confirm something for me? On Prod, check recent subs, scroll down, click on the 'Prev Subs Payments >>' button. See new page display. Scroll down, click on button again. I saw the *same* page displayed. :/
[11:25:13] <Buytam> afk biab
[11:26:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> Buytam, yeah, looks like
[11:30:27] <crutchy> can't believe i sat through a bunch of firewatch walkthrough videos
[11:30:49] <crutchy> interesting game. now that i seen the walkthrough i don't have to buy it anymore :)
[11:31:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> saves time i guess
[11:31:43] <crutchy> crap has it been 2 years already?
[11:31:57] <crutchy> ~first nick=crutchy channel=
[11:32:09] <exec> 03[2014-02-07 06:59:00] ##altslashdot <crutchy> i still use gnome2
[11:32:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya man. and i been here shit posting the whole time.
[11:32:22] <crutchy> wow yeah it has
[11:33:48] <crutchy> xlefay++ # wherever you are you bastard, for the best irc setup evar
[11:33:48] <Bender> karma - xlefay: 63
[11:35:25] <crutchy> it was that damn defective switch that killed him
[11:35:49] <crutchy> i remember he had some sort of bleeding thingy
[11:36:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> did he?
[11:36:18] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[11:36:25] <crutchy> i had a photo of him somewhere
[11:36:30] <crutchy> young bloke
[11:36:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, you could tell
[11:37:10] <crutchy> he used to send me screen shots and all sorts of shit. good times
[11:37:20] <crutchy> obsessed with bots n stuff
[11:37:57] <crutchy> anyway, time for bed for me
[11:38:00] <crutchy> ~time
[11:38:01] <exec> Wednesday, 17 February 2016 @ 10:38 pm GMT+11 - Traralgon VIC
[11:38:08] <crutchy> ~g'night #soylent
[11:38:10] * exec cohesively throws a spoon of dag at #soylent
[11:38:19] <crutchy> i like dags
[11:38:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~g'night dingus
[11:38:24] * exec diabolically poops a caravan of skittles for dingus
[11:47:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apple Ordered by Judge to Help Decrypt San Bernadino Shooters phone - http://sylnt.us - well-this-is-a-bit-scary
[11:50:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, looks like arch is up to date with the glibc fixes.
[11:56:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> spose i should really reboot. have a kernel update in with the mix as well.
[12:15:40] Buytam is now known as Bytram|away
[12:16:20] <Bytram|away> going back to bed. Snnnnzzzzzzz
[12:16:24] <Bytram|away> laters
[12:16:29] <Bytram|away> !uid
[12:16:29] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6124, owned by gehale
[12:42:05] <AndyTheAbsurd> hey, I know that guy!...assuming it's the same guy.
[12:42:39] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders
[12:42:59] <qkontinuum> coffee++
[12:42:59] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2232
[12:44:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> damned skippy
[12:44:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:44:23] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2233
[12:51:34] * TheMightyBuzzard tries to puzzle out css collapsible comment trees
[12:52:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> THINK i have it squared away in my head but i'd need to monkey with dev to find out for sure
[12:54:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> and i don't wanna do that since paulej72 is better with teh css and is likely has it mostly done
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[13:19:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apple Ordered by Judge to Help Decrypt San Bernadino Shooter's phone - http://sylnt.us - well-this-is-a-bit-scary
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[14:20:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> woot, css-only collapsible comment trees on dev
[14:21:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm. i should prolly hide the checkboxes if the user's viewing in flat mode
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[14:21:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> later maybe
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[14:33:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... wonder if i should style them checkboxes to a +/- thing
[14:34:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, pj can do that later if he feels the need. or someone can submit a pull request.
[14:41:13] * TheMightyBuzzard does the happy dance
[14:48:27] <dyingtolive> what do the checkboxes do?
[14:50:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> dyingtolive, sec
[14:51:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://dev.soylentnews.org
[14:51:22] <snowfire> ^ 03SN (dev) article: Fill er up
[14:51:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> have a look. turn javascript off and poke the checkboxes.
[14:52:37] <cmn32480> coffee++
[14:52:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2234
[14:53:10] <cmn32480> greetings from 35,000feet
[14:53:21] <Runaway1956> soylentnews.org team has made the charts - position 5963 http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com
[14:53:22] <snowfire> ^ 03Folding @ Home Teams Overall Rank - EXTREME Overclocking Folding @ Home Stats
[14:53:51] <Runaway1956> 35,000 feet up, or down? Are you submarining around the Mariannas Trench?
[14:53:57] <dyingtolive> TheMightyBuzzard, does it only work if JS is disabled? i'm seeing weird behavior right now.
[14:54:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> dyingtolive, yeah, right now the js for collapsible comments would likely interfere.
[14:54:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> i know it pushes the checkbox out of position at the very least
[14:54:51] <dyingtolive> okay. i'll have to do that then.
[14:54:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, mornin.
[14:55:24] <dyingtolive> oh! i get it. as low as the checkboxes are, i thought they corresponded to the story below the story they actually corresponded to.
[14:55:39] <dyingtolive> it makes sense to me now.
[14:56:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> story? they should correspond to comments.
[14:57:56] <dyingtolive> err, right. comments. sorry. staring at news stories for work. that's what i get for doing two things at once.
[14:58:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, nod nod
[14:58:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> they in a wonky position for you? should be just left of the message subject but still in the colored title bar.
[14:58:54] <dyingtolive> i like the idea. i also agree with the comment about reskinning them.
[14:59:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> in favor of or meh to?
[14:59:42] <dyingtolive> in favor of, that is.
[14:59:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha, i forgot what i did to the main page on dev
[15:00:05] <dyingtolive> let me figure out how to take a screenshot in osx and i'll show you what i'm seeing.
[15:00:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> they look normal in both chrome and ff to me
[15:02:09] <dyingtolive> http://imgur.com
[15:02:09] <snowfire> ^ 03Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet
[15:02:29] <dyingtolive> they're getting pushed down, but it looks like they actually are attached to the comment beneath the one they are.
[15:02:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, yeah, you got javascript turned on. it pushes them out of place.
[15:03:11] <dyingtolive> also, and i still have JS enabled, but i see weird things where they stop being nested if i mix the two functionalities.
[15:03:42] <dyingtolive> yeah, i know. i'm worried that if it goes out like this, it'll cause a lot of confusion for people that DO have it enabled.
[15:03:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, if this works well for most all browsers without the script, we're gonna lose the script.
[15:03:58] <dyingtolive> oh. didn't realize that part. probably fine then.
[15:04:07] <dyingtolive> i'll disable JS and confirm.
[15:09:45] <exec> 05*** SN funding is currently $697
[15:16:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, vidya time.
[15:23:17] <cmn32480> I hate people who go for the hardest solution every time in stead of looking at the obvious
[15:23:42] <cmn32480> Customer: This ethernet cable you installed isn't working. You need to pay someone to come fix it."
[15:24:17] <cmn32480> Me: "It was your responsibility to patch that cable from the panel to the switch, has that been done."
[15:24:23] <cmn32480> Customer: "No"
[15:24:43] <cmn32480> Me: " I think I know why your cable doesn't work."
[15:28:57] <dyingtolive> "Absolutely sir, we would be more than happy to get someone out there to handle that. I'll just get your request over to the dispatch team, who will facilitate this for you at the standard rate of $400/hour, two hours minimum, and..."
[15:29:42] <cmn32480> plus travel expenses
[15:29:49] <cmn32480> this guy is 1500 miles away
[15:30:01] <dyingtolive> ugh. yeah.
[15:30:21] <cmn32480> and for me to get a flight today is gonna be about $800
[15:30:53] <FatPhil> You: Is there anyone there in the office who isn't a retard and can plug the cable in?
[15:30:58] <cmn32480> since I have to travel to get there, that puts us into the daily rate category...
[15:31:16] <cmn32480> I've been there
[15:31:21] <cmn32480> and no, there isn't
[15:31:31] <dyingtolive> we actually did have a client so desperate for onsite help that they flew one of our upper-level support guys to their office in NY, and put him up in an hotel for a week to get shit done there for them.
[15:31:32] <cmn32480> unless somebody has their teenager in for the day
[15:31:54] <cmn32480> yup
[15:31:57] <cmn32480> it happens
[15:32:09] <cmn32480> we try to avoid it, but it does happen
[15:32:22] <cmn32480> that is why I'm typoing to you from 35,000 feet
[15:32:37] <cmn32480> am on my way to that exact type of problem
[15:34:00] <FatPhil> it's all part of the eternal dichotomy - which is more incompetent, suppliers or customers?
[15:34:59] <cmn32480> both?
[15:37:33] <FatPhil> I'm lucky in the current job, we basically have no suppliers. Previous one, mobile phones, ugh, chipset vendors were unbelievable.
[15:37:35] <AndyTheAbsurd> It's a toss up, really. *Usually* it's customers - if they weren't incompetent, what would they need to hire you for? - but when the suppliers prove themselves incompetent, it's usually in quite specatular fashion.
[15:45:24] <cmn32480> final decent. back tonight
[15:49:20] <dyingtolive> i've always believed in the circle of trust with regards to who's going to be reliable and who isn't. the circle is the the loop you make with your arms when you show up and strangle the guy who isn't helping but supposed to. ergo, anyone outside of range of being able to threaten them with violence is outside of the circle. :)
[15:51:46] * Runaway1956 has dreamed of being the least competent person around
[15:52:11] <Runaway1956> Wouldn't it be wonderful, if there were no idiots needing you to plug a machine in for them? Or close a door? Or, open a door.
[15:52:38] <Runaway1956> "I can't find my thingamabob"
[15:52:52] <Runaway1956> "I think you're standing on it - please lift your foot."
[15:53:17] <Runaway1956> "Why should I lift MY foot, you're the one getting paid to find the thingamabob!"
[15:53:38] <Runaway1956> "Uhhhh, not any more, dumbass, I'm outta here."
[15:53:55] <dyingtolive> the problem with being that guy is, while he's been with the company 15 years, the next merger is going to be the one to take him out.
[15:54:37] <dyingtolive> or he's so paranoid about getting axed and people realizing that he has no viable skillset that he gets paranoid and leaves on his own, like my last team lead.
[15:54:42] <Runaway1956> The most recent merger has almost taken me out. Suddenly, I can't have a coffee pot in my work space.
[15:55:17] <dyingtolive> yeah, they did that to us when they moved us from an office of cubes and indirect dim lighting to an "open office"
[15:56:16] <Runaway1956> I'm going to clear out the side box on my biggest toolbox, put the damned coffee pot in there, and run an extension cord. I'm going to have my goddamned COFFEEE!!
[15:56:23] <Runaway1956> coffee++
[15:56:23] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2235
[15:56:42] <dyingtolive> suddenly no coffee pots, no room for personal objects, and they got rid of the coffee machine and put one of those single serving things in, and now the coffee has a plastic taste to it.
[15:57:39] <Runaway1956> We have a coffee machine in the break room, I think it's $.80 per cup. I could scoop up the shit in a pigpen, and get better "coffee".
[15:58:29] <dyingtolive> wow. at least they don't have the audacity to tell us we can't have coffee pots and then CHARGE us for coffee.
[16:01:23] <FatPhil> things are generally much easier if you're a tea fan rather than a coffee fan
[16:01:26] <FatPhil> tea++
[16:01:26] <Bender> karma - tea: 530
[16:01:58] <FatPhil> nd Orangeflower Oolong with a spoon of honey (I'm sorry, miss, I have a cold)
[16:02:23] <dyingtolive> i drink tea to relax. work is no place for relaxation.
[16:02:43] <paulej72> maybe it should be
[16:03:01] <paulej72> afternoon_nap++
[16:03:01] <Bender> karma - afternoon_nap: 1
[16:03:06] <dyingtolive> we can get really hot water from the water filter thingy they have, so a couple of us have taken to straining coffee through paper towels into cups to make good coffee.
[16:03:19] <Runaway1956> Tea is good stuff, if you're drinking real tea. Around here, all you ever sea is black pekoe.
[16:03:38] <qkontinuum> coffee++
[16:03:38] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2236
[16:03:44] <Runaway1956> I'm a genuine fan of Russian Caravan, jasmine, and a few others.
[16:03:44] <paulej72> dyingtolive: they make little french presses
[16:03:48] <dyingtolive> i prefer earl grey, but camomile (or however you spell it) is pretty good too sometimes.
[16:04:10] <dyingtolive> yeah, i know. i've thought about getting a french press, but never when i need it.
[16:04:26] * Runaway1956 knows nothing about french presses
[16:04:51] <paulej72> http://www.amazon.com
[16:04:53] <snowfire> ^ 03Amazon.com: Bodum New Kenya 12-Ounce Coffee Press, Black: French Presses: Kitchen Dining
[16:05:06] <Runaway1956> I have this little seive thingy, put the leaves in it, drop it in the hot water for a couple minutes, and like magic, you got tea.
[16:07:17] <Runaway1956> My interweb thingy is acting up again - still waiting for Amazon to load the french press . . . .
[16:07:33] <dyingtolive> yeah, i have a couple of those. don't drink much loose tea anymore though.
[16:07:36] * Runaway1956 wishes a fiery death on my ISP
[16:08:15] <paulej72> ok off to lunch, cyl
[16:15:01] <dyingtolive> installing steam on pc-bsd right now. it's supposed to have surprisingly amazing compatibility/performance with the tweaks they've done on this particular distro, but the other things i'm seeing on it are terrifying. pkg is basically unusable.
[16:17:11] <dyingtolive> they seem to want you to do everything through their shitty package management gui, but they claim pkg should still work. the dependency hell i got when i tried to use it claims otherwise.
[16:18:51] <Subsentient> Know what's annoying about being me? I can only code when I'm so tired, I can't feel how tired I am.
[16:27:21] <FatPhil> I compared some bodum french presses with some cheap ones a couple of weeks ago, and came to the conclusion that as long as you're not 100% aesthetics driven, the cheap ones are just as good, and a 5th of the price.
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[16:37:15] <dyingtolive> how cheap is cheap?
[16:51:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Excitement at New Cancer Treatment - http://sylnt.us - great-googly-moogly
[16:57:39] <FatPhil> bodums in a big store were 40+ euro, and the cheap one we got was 9e
[16:59:09] <FatPhil> I only had 2 requirements - plunger/filter must be completely dismantleable so that it can be cleaned properly, and the lid mustn't wobble around as you plunge.
[17:00:20] <FatPhil> I don't mind having cheap, I just don't want it to feel cheap.
[17:05:28] <dyingtolive> okay, yeah, that's a pretty significant difference in price.
[17:07:55] <FatPhil> the bodum brand was clearly premium, there were 15-30e ones too
[17:09:36] <FatPhil> which introduced me, through absense, of the features I considered must-haves.
[17:13:19] * mrcoolbp tips hat to dyingtolive and FatPhil
[17:17:03] <FatPhil> I guess it's food time
[17:19:29] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: I like this comment on the u2u msging:
[17:19:31] <mrcoolbp> "A simple method would be a setting hooking into the friends/foes system, with the settings "receive no messages", "receive messages only from friends", "receive messages from non-foes" and "receive messages from all registered users"."
[17:19:53] <mrcoolbp> default to "non-foes" maybe?
[17:19:59] <mrcoolbp> either that or all users
[17:20:29] <mrcoolbp> oh actually he said the default should be "no messages" = (
[17:27:26] <dyingtolive> i'm not a huge fan of messages myself, but i think non-foes is the right way to do it.
[17:27:43] <dyingtolive> last thing we need is a system that lets people spam troll crap to each other.
[17:28:23] <dyingtolive> i'm still worried it will detract from comments as well.
[17:28:56] <dyingtolive> what if it cost you a point of karma to send a message? somewhat discouraging, but not completely?
[17:32:42] <FatPhil> The easiest way to disincentivise sending of private messages is to not implement the feature in the first place!
[17:33:41] <FatPhil> I'm yet to be persuaded that I need such a feature. Just encourage people to join IRC!
[17:34:10] <chromas> embed a js irc client in the corner :)
[17:37:09] <mrcoolbp> we've actually talked about having IRC embedded in the page, but it will likely obliterate comments
[17:40:18] <AndyTheAbsurd> embedded IRC on the page but connect it to #rss-bot. :)
[17:52:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Atmosphere of a "Super-Earth" Exoplanet Analyzed - http://sylnt.us - does-something-smell-funny
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[18:21:26] <FatPhil> Gee, thanks Thexalon, I'm now playing https://www.youtube.com just to see if it's as bad as I expect it to be (see Kanye story)
[18:21:27] <snowfire> ^ 03Arnold Schönberg, Pierrot lunaire (Full) - YouTube
[18:25:31] <FatPhil> lasted 400s, which is longer than meatspin
[18:37:38] <dyingtolive> well, parts of it sound like music.
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[19:09:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, i dig all the comments on it. they've stayed pretty civil and useful thus far.
[19:09:47] <mrcoolbp> aye
[19:23:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Release of ReactOS 0.4 Brings Open Source Windows Closer to Reality - http://sylnt.us - making-progress
[20:00:02] <module000> sourceforge is hosting react...enjoy 70-80kbps downloads if you wanna get it :(
[20:26:23] <chromas> Maybe soylent can run a software hosting service
[20:26:38] <chromas> all the bandwidth is handled by mirrors; maybe they'll come mirror for us
[20:28:16] <chromas> haha, tricked the dog into eating her food by making a bread loaf out of it
[20:28:38] <chromas> from the wrong-channel dept
[20:32:19] <crutchy> coffee++
[20:32:19] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2237
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[21:25:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hollywood Hospital Hit with Ransomware: Hackers Demand $3.6 million as Ransom - http://sylnt.us - what-would-YOU-do?
[21:34:06] <Gravis> hmm... autonomous vechicals can't get here soon enough
[21:35:35] <Gravis> on the upside, there are so many accidents that the insurance claim system runs like a well oiled machine.
[21:35:48] <Gravis> fools and their cars *sigh*
[21:45:33] <Thouren> coffee++
[21:45:33] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2238
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[22:07:31] <SirFinkus> another node in the botnet
[22:56:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ecology: A World Without Mosquitoes - http://sylnt.us - anti-bloodsucker
[23:20:39] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: please implement the karma burn based comment editing.
[23:21:18] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: 10 points to edit a comment seems like a fair exchange
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[23:36:28] <paulej72> mmmdlld]
[23:36:56] <paulej72> coffee++
[23:36:56] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2239