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[01:30:59] <Bytram> well, still better than it had been...
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[01:31:34] <popefucker> wat dis?
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[01:31:59] <swiss> what
[01:32:04] <swiss> Bytram: wut r u doin
[01:32:14] <chromas> Need it in graph form
[01:32:19] <chromas> graphs++
[01:32:19] <Bender> karma - graphs: 1
[01:32:20] <Bytram> number of new nicks registered on the site each day so far this year
[01:33:54] <popefucker> o
[01:39:53] <SirFinkus> http://www.nytimes.com lol nice advertisement MS
[01:39:54] <shekel> ^ 03( http://www.nytimes.com )
[01:40:43] <SirFinkus> I think there's a "cloud computing" joke in there somewhere
[01:40:54] <chromas> Shouldn't Digital Ocean be the one doing that?
[01:40:59] <SirFinkus> there we go
[01:41:10] <Bytram> http://www.projectnatick.com
[01:41:10] <chromas> MS should be doing zeppelins
[01:41:10] <shekel> ^ 03Project Natick
[01:43:14] <SirFinkus> I was going to submit it, but it's just an advertisment for microsoft
[01:43:55] <SirFinkus> putting windows in an underwater capsule seems like a bad idea
[01:44:12] <chromas> the site loads really slow here. must be all that viscosity
[01:44:15] <SirFinkus> goddamn maps in swebsites
[01:44:24] <SirFinkus> they're scrolling landmines
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[01:45:06] <SirFinkus> they should require a click first on the map to enable the scroll to zoom shit
[01:45:29] <chromas> I see what you mean
[01:45:36] <chromas> I got to the map just now
[01:46:14] <SirFinkus> why do they need a map widget in the first place?
[01:46:43] <SirFinkus> just use a goddamn image
[01:46:46] <chromas> instead of containers, they should build a SeaLab (2021) so they can have techs walking around
[01:47:00] <Bytram> No kidding!I'm guessing the textual content is 1-2KB but it pulled down over 10 MB before I killed the page trying to load.
[01:47:26] <SirFinkus> it's one of those parallax scrolling sites that are all the rage these days
[01:47:34] <SirFinkus> with video backgrounds
[01:47:44] <chromas> fortunately I didn't have to load that part
[01:47:47] <SirFinkus> a poorly build one too, laggy on my machine
[01:47:52] <SirFinkus> *built
[01:48:00] <chromas> *butt
[01:48:03] <SirFinkus> most of the bootstrap ones work perfectly
[01:48:25] <SirFinkus> still annoying, but 60fps scrolling
[01:49:07] <julian> Firefox is becoming more and more unusable for me because of that crap. And without tab process separation it makes every other tab hang while it churns through all that needless js
[01:49:27] <SirFinkus> yeah, they've been working on ruining firefox for ages now
[01:49:31] <chromas> They should install data centers in small towns, and use the cooling system to generate hot water for the neighborhood
[01:49:51] <SirFinkus> idk, that seems like a pipe dream chromas
[01:50:19] <julian> Firefox is just painful to use without Noscript now because if you load a script heavy page--which is most of them now--you get locked up for a few seconds.
[01:50:27] <chromas> ooh, and put it in line with the sewage treatment plant. Shit in, facebook out
[01:50:40] <SirFinkus> it never got that bad for me, I stopped using firefox ages ago
[01:50:43] <chromas> (also guffaw at joke)
[01:50:57] <julian> I remember when it used to be *the* fast browser, and the sad thing is it wasn't FF that changed, websites did.
[01:51:11] <SirFinkus> firefox changed too
[01:51:30] <SirFinkus> that shit affected other browsers too
[01:51:32] <julian> They added a lot of crap but it can all be turned off, so it doesn't affect performance.
[01:51:33] <chromas> I don't remember it being fastest, but it had extensions before the other big'uns
[01:52:05] <SirFinkus> of course back in the dark days of firefox being the best browser, the other options were IE, netscape, and opera
[01:52:33] <chromas> opera++
[01:52:33] <Bender> karma - opera: 1
[01:52:57] <julian> Isn't Opera just Chrome now?
[01:53:03] <chromas> :'(
[01:53:16] <SirFinkus> not quite, does use the same layout engine
[01:53:43] <julian> You could try Brave :^)
[01:53:46] <SirFinkus> one thing that annoys me about FF is that it doesn't seem to fit in on any os I've used it on
[01:53:47] <chromas> it doesn't have any of the things that make it speshul
[01:54:00] <chromas> use FirefoxOS
[01:54:03] <SirFinkus> it *almost* matches the system theme
[01:54:06] <SirFinkus> but not quite
[01:54:08] <SirFinkus> lol good one chromas
[01:54:17] <julian> Chrome does the same thing on Linux
[01:54:19] <chromas> and then run Internet Explorer
[01:54:29] <SirFinkus> windows I go with chrome
[01:54:31] <julian> Chrome looks alright on OS X but I don't use it for privacy reasons.
[01:54:40] <SirFinkus> safari on osx
[01:54:56] <SirFinkus> firefox on linux because most of the other options suck
[01:55:00] <julian> I'll use Chromium if the OS has a package manager to handle updates, but won't use Chrome
[01:55:09] <julian> Midori is nice
[01:55:22] <julian> Lacks the add-ons though
[01:55:23] <SirFinkus> haven't used it, but I haven't used desktop linux in a while
[01:55:33] <SirFinkus> just use it for server stuff these days
[01:55:43] <chromas> quipzilla would be decent-ish if it had noscript
[01:56:37] <chromas> We just have to switch to using a proxy that converts web pages to email that we can look at in emacs
[01:56:43] <SirFinkus> might use links occasionally, but it's much easier to just copy past into ssh and use wget
[01:59:27] <Bytram> on Windows, I use Pale Moon; Firefox was making too many UI changes for my liking.
[01:59:36] <julian> Just like RMS :p
[02:00:01] <SirFinkus> rms? using a graphical web browser? on windows?
[02:00:18] <chromas> He uses and advocates windows 10
[02:00:37] <SirFinkus> everyone knows he gets his cronies to email him webpages
[02:00:55] <SirFinkus> which he reads in emacs
[02:00:57] <chromas> cronies? or toe-nies?
[02:01:17] <Bytram> cronies... he loads his pages using a cron job
[02:01:21] <Bytram> =)
[02:01:27] <cmn32480> ~g'evening
[02:01:31] <cmn32480> ~g'evening #soylent
[02:01:40] <chromas> 404 alias not found
[02:01:43] <cmn32480> damnit... what was that macro
[02:01:50] <chromas> ~g'afternoon sir
[02:01:52] * exec abrasively flings a tinfoil hat of glowballs at sir
[02:02:01] <cmn32480> ~gday chromas
[02:02:03] * exec spontaneously slides a socket of beer to chromas
[02:02:18] <Bytram> cmn32480: g'day
[02:02:24] <cmn32480> ~gday bytram
[02:02:26] * exec diabolically blows a toilet bowl of Debian at bytram
[02:02:37] * Bytram looks for a plungert
[02:03:17] * cmn32480 is starting to plug in numbers for his taxes
[02:03:22] * chromas flushes a wax ring down Bytram's bowl
[02:03:42] * Bytram wonders if that was a honey ring
[02:04:05] * cmn32480 wonders if thes guys will bee nice
[02:05:47] * Bytram observes that if you give honey a diamond ring you might end up with a honey-do list
[02:06:12] <cmn32480> and honey will likely be on that list
[02:07:03] <chromas> and wax
[02:10:34] * cmn32480 can't remember his login for the bank that holds the mortgage
[02:10:38] <cmn32480> damnit
[02:16:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Texting at Night Affects Teens' Sleep, Academic Performance - http://sylnt.us - paint-a-faraday-cage-around-their-bedroom
[02:17:56] <Deucalion> sup soylenteers?
[02:18:04] <SirFinkus> not much
[02:18:15] <cmn32480> was that only directed at the staff?
[02:18:26] <cmn32480> we would be Soylenteers, after all
[02:18:27] <Deucalion> newp - all n sundry
[02:18:38] * Bytram just supped on a large bowl of hot-and-sour soup
[02:18:55] * cmn32480 just put all the kids down
[02:18:56] <SirFinkus> eww, the sundry too?
[02:19:13] <Bytram> cmn32480: is that like putting a dog down?
[02:19:17] <Deucalion> cmn32480, I just called the police on yew....
[02:19:19] * Bytram hopes not
[02:19:20] <Deucalion> :P
[02:19:34] <cmn32480> nah... more like a gentle shove toward bed
[02:19:49] <Deucalion> Hey Billy... crawl out here behind the log pile.... **BLAM***
[02:20:55] * Bytram wonders what billy shot?
[02:23:12] <Deucalion> Reminds me of something that popped into my Steam sale list this weekend.. a 1 v 1 called "Who's your Daddy?"... you either play the dad or the baby... the Dad has to keep baby from suiciding by various means, while the bably gets to crawl around shoving cutlery into power outlets, crawling into ovens and drinking bleach. The description and comments were dark humour at its best. I didn't buy it btw.
[02:23:49] <SirFinkus> oh, that game looks hilarious
[02:24:23] <SirFinkus> bro team reviewed it
[02:24:24] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[02:24:24] <shekel> ^ 03dade - YouTube
[02:24:45] <Deucalion> It does indeed... but I think it is entirely reliant on online 1 v 1 rather than have the ability to have an AI play the other party..... so if it does not take off, it will be short lived.
[02:25:02] <SirFinkus> it's a novelty game
[02:25:03] <Bytram> I hope they named the baby Calvin
[02:26:01] <Bytram> 'Calvin and Hobbes' is one of my all-time favorite comics
[02:27:01] <Deucalion> I have no idea Bytram... the only description of the baby I saw was "a shiny spud like thing with arms and legs and a head that can move to impossible angles like something out of exorcist"... I was tempted to buy just for the fact it made me laugh that anyone would turn ~that~ into a game. :D
[02:27:54] <Bytram> that would certainly have gotten *my* attention, too
[02:29:22] <Deucalion> No doubt there is a posse riding out there decrying it as encouraging bad parenthood or something... pfft... it sounded like a good laugh.... apparently the baby can suicide in the toilet :D
[02:34:43] <Bytram> I recall an episode of 'The Little rascals' where they had one of the kids riding on an operating washing machine... kid was going up and down and round and round, with bubbles spouting up around him.
[02:35:32] <chromas> the mom's favorite ride
[02:38:43] <Deucalion> Don't they usually sit on top during spin cycle? Oh wait... it's not the '50s anymore there be all manner of gadgets for that kind of thing.
[02:39:10] <chromas> it's still a classic though
[02:39:13] * SirFinkus is suspicious of how much media coverage kasich has suddenly gotten
[02:39:24] <chromas> ~define kasich
[02:39:25] <exec> kasich: unable to find definition
[02:39:25] <SirFinkus> like, in the last 24 hours
[02:39:29] <Deucalion> kasich?
[02:39:33] <SirFinkus> exactly
[02:39:38] <SirFinkus> he's one of the republicans
[02:39:49] <SirFinkus> you've never really heard of
[02:40:03] <SirFinkus> but suddenly, in the last 24 hours, he's getting write ups in major papers and shit
[02:40:19] <chromas> oh neat. I do a search and get a 'breakdown' graph of his position on issues
[02:40:55] <chromas> https://www.bing.com
[02:41:16] <SirFinkus> CNN just ran a puff piece about how he's running the most positive campaign
[02:41:30] <SirFinkus> and NYT just claimed that he should be the face of the republican party
[02:43:12] <Deucalion> Is he the anti-Trump?
[02:43:28] <SirFinkus> he's a nobody really
[02:44:07] <SirFinkus> nobody has been talking about him at all, he's just "that guy" that managed to qualify for the debates, where he might get 2 questions
[02:44:51] <SirFinkus> less famous than carly fiorona or however you spell her name
[02:44:58] <SirFinkus> the HP exec
[02:45:09] <Bytram> Fiorina, I believe
[02:45:39] <chromas> She's just there to see her name in print
[02:45:55] <Bytram> chromas++ very bad pun
[02:45:55] <Bender> karma - chromas: 151
[02:47:43] <Deucalion> Did a grand job with HP... :/
[02:48:27] <Bytram> if that was a grand job, I shudder to think what would be considered an exceptional job
[02:49:40] <SirFinkus> well, that would imply that HP printers actually print stuff occasionally
[02:50:33] <Bytram> as opposed to... not at all?
[02:50:50] * SirFinkus hates printers
[02:51:31] * Bytram prefers printers to having to write things out by hand. Yo, scribe! I need three copies of this and make it snappy!!
[02:51:31] <Deucalion> Nadella and Win10 perhaps? Heh... we know you declined this "upgrade" and went to the effort of quashing the relevant updates, edited your registry etc to stop it... but heh, we just reversed all those changes so have the update again! Ad nauseum.. that is exceptional.
[02:51:52] <SirFinkus> writing by hand always works though Bytram
[02:52:06] <SirFinkus> it takes longer, but it's much less frustrating
[02:52:07] <Deucalion> My Samsung always works for me :/
[02:52:33] <SirFinkus> on the rare occasion I need to print something, I always need to go through 20 minutes of bullshit to get the printer to work
[02:52:58] <SirFinkus> i'd go to kinkos or something, but that's still 20 minutes
[02:53:34] * Bytram has encountered dull pencils with no lead showing, pens that have completely run out of ink, and run out of paper on numerous occasions
[02:53:55] <SirFinkus> that's a 3 cent fix though bytram
[02:53:55] <Deucalion> Takes the usual RAW and the decades old LPR spooling thing on is it port 515... I think it does SMB stuff too... but mostly... it's just like a laser printer of days gone by... click print.. it prints.
[02:53:59] <SirFinkus> 0 effort
[02:54:03] <chromas> SirFinkus: at least you can stop by the Skool lab for now
[02:54:20] <SirFinkus> yeah, maybe I just need to get a laser printer
[02:54:24] <Bytram> PCL 5.0 and Postscript FTW
[02:54:25] <SirFinkus> a good one
[02:54:38] <Deucalion> Bytram, PCL ftw!!
[02:54:51] <Bytram> isn't that what I just said?
[02:54:59] <SirFinkus> although I remember the day that I learned that laser printers don't actually burn the letters into the paper with lasers
[02:55:05] <Deucalion> I was just cheering :D
[02:55:11] <SirFinkus> that was the day I lost my naïveté
[02:55:25] <SirFinkus> I realized that the world was a cold, cruel place
[02:55:33] <Bytram> Oh? Very well then. Carry on with your carrying on!
[02:55:35] <chromas> they burn themselves into your heart
[02:56:29] <Bytram> ~g Scylla and Charybdis
[02:56:31] <exec> [google] https://en.wikipedia.org
[02:56:32] <exec> [google] https://en.wikipedia.org
[02:56:46] <Bytram> hey! I *did* get the spelling right!
[02:57:22] <Deucalion> SirFinkus, if you don't print much, lasers seem really expensive on paper... but TCO is sooo much less than crappy inkjets that take forever to chunk and whirr into life then complain they have a blocked nipple. B&W simple laser will last a lifetime if you buy well :)
[02:58:04] <SirFinkus> yeah, but I print so rarely, it's barely worth having a printer in the first place
[02:58:05] <cmn32480> mmmmmm nipple
[02:58:27] <SirFinkus> I certainly don't need color
[02:58:31] <cmn32480> there are inexpensive lasers that cost you <$100 out of the box with a starter toner
[02:58:36] <Bytram> Deucalion: agreed. I got 8 or so years from an HP personal laser printer, am going on 10 years with my current Brother B&W laser
[02:58:43] <cmn32480> some even have network connectivity.
[02:58:51] <SirFinkus> I'll look into it next time I buy a printer
[02:58:54] <Deucalion> SirFinkus, if you print rarely an inkjet is certainly the worst choice. It will be fucked up one way or another when you want it.
[02:59:12] <cmn32480> my brother is 7-8 years old
[02:59:16] <cmn32480> only on the second toner
[02:59:39] <SirFinkus> must be a good wiper
[02:59:46] <cmn32480> my dad tossed a LaserJet II abotu 2 years ago
[02:59:52] <cmn32480> still worked
[02:59:58] <cmn32480> all 2 pages per minute
[03:00:17] <SirFinkus> laser printer paper comes out nice and warm too, which is nice
[03:00:33] <SirFinkus> instead of feeling damp
[03:01:00] <Bytram> I'd forgotten about that.
[03:01:02] <chromas> On some lasers, when they tell you the toner is out, you can put a piece of tape over the little window on the cartridge and keep going for awhile
[03:01:23] * chromas did that a couple years ago; still hasn't run out
[03:01:30] <cmn32480> http://www.staples.com
[03:01:31] <shekel> ^ 03Samsung M2830DW Xpress Monochrome Laser Printer | Staples®
[03:01:32] <SirFinkus> I want a laser printer that burns the letters into paper
[03:01:32] * chromas doesn't print much though
[03:01:33] <Bytram> Once had a large print job (couple hundred pages) and when I retrieved it, felt like I was holding a warm brick.
[03:01:41] <SirFinkus> I don't care how fast it is
[03:01:52] <SirFinkus> no ink, just burn
[03:02:04] <cmn32480> SirFinkus - that one i just posted is currently on sale for $79
[03:02:29] <chromas> well there's the thermal printers; probably the closest you'll get without h4x0ring
[03:02:33] <Deucalion> Samsung ML2525W here... must be 5 - 6 years old.. thing just works as a LPR printer, but it has a nice web interface, wireless if you like... and it was cheap as chips. I think Dell have the same model rebranded. Only downside... it is shite at printing envelopes... but the what printer isn't?
[03:02:43] <SirFinkus> chromas you need special paper for those
[03:03:00] <Bytram> when printer claims cartridge is empty, a gentle shaking left&right, front&back, up&down, will often reset things enough to get many more page out.
[03:03:09] <cmn32480> bytram - in July we print a job that runs about 120k pages, we get to make a preheated igloo!
[03:03:18] <chromas> SirFinkus: buy a plotter and install a high-powered laser on it
[03:03:19] <Bytram> LOL!
[03:03:33] <SirFinkus> actually sounds like a good idea chromas
[03:03:37] <chromas> or build one
[03:03:37] <cmn32480> or get a shark and put a frickin laser on it's head
[03:03:49] <Bytram> cmn32480: 120,000 pages? What in the world ARE you printing?
[03:03:56] <Deucalion> SirFinkus, I would like a bunch of monks to hand write my words and illustrate them too...
[03:04:04] <SirFinkus> the US tax code
[03:04:07] * Bytram recommends duplex printing and a 4pt font
[03:04:07] <chromas> nah, sharks need water so the paper will get stiff when it dries
[03:04:14] <cmn32480> envelope inserts for a VERY large mailing
[03:04:21] <SirFinkus> I want a dot matrix printr
[03:04:25] <SirFinkus> printer even
[03:04:32] <SirFinkus> those were the shit
[03:04:40] <chromas> make the pins shiv the paper
[03:04:40] <Bytram> noisy buggers, tho
[03:04:49] <SirFinkus> they work on carbon paper
[03:04:54] <SirFinkus> so people still use them
[03:04:56] <cmn32480> you need a good one, look at Printek and Printronix
[03:05:29] * cmn32480 's company still sells and services some of them occassionally
[03:05:53] <Deucalion> I remember risographs - those things were hellishly fast... but woe betide you if you chose the wrong paper.
[03:06:05] <Deucalion> Damn cheap per page
[03:06:26] <SirFinkus> I think I'll get a dot matrix
[03:06:28] <Bytram> had a coworker at IBM, taking an assembly language class, wrote a driver for a band printer, had a bright idea and sent out a print line such that the first character on the line matched a char on the print band, the next char matched the next char on the band, etc. basically print out 132 columns of characters that were all under the print hammers at the same time.
[03:06:43] <Bytram> he submitted it way late at night.
[03:06:50] <Bytram> sounded like a machine gun going off
[03:07:01] <SirFinkus> I've heard stories of people writing shit to make the printer rock itself off the table
[03:07:03] <Bytram> 132 print hammers firing off all at once
[03:07:14] <SirFinkus> and of course playing the star wars themes etc
[03:07:15] <cmn32480> lucky the thing didn't shatter
[03:07:36] <Bytram> operator came running out of the print room and gave him a talking to... could have broken the print band and that would have been REALLY noisy!
[03:07:55] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[03:07:55] <shekel> ^ 03Rocky's Printer - Eye of the tiger on a dot matrix printer [HD] - YouTube
[03:08:00] <cmn32480> was that before or after the printer operator cleaned his shorts?
[03:08:02] <SirFinkus> objectively the best printer
[03:08:44] <Bytram> SirFinkus: had a classmate in college who wrote code to seek in one track at a time on a disk drive until it got to the center. then it rapidly seeked all the way back out, and repeated it in a loop.
[03:08:53] <Bytram> got the disk drive to walk across the floor
[03:09:07] <Bytram> this is when a disk pack weighed about 20 pounds and stored 300 MB
[03:09:17] <Bytram> the drive itself wasthe size of a washing machine
[03:09:34] <Deucalion> would it have been more detrimental is the disk pack was bolted down?
[03:10:27] <Bytram> pack was the stack of disks on a common spindle. the drive had the motor that spun the platters and had the actuators to move the read/write heads across the platters.
[03:10:39] <Bytram> so, to what would one 'bolt' the disk pack to?
[03:10:59] <SirFinkus> I've seen those
[03:11:59] <Bytram> the 'small' packs had like 7 or so platters. Did I mention that the platters were something like 13 inches across?
[03:12:06] <Bytram> had a capacity of 80MB
[03:13:03] <SirFinkus> I fixed my hamburger mac and cheese
[03:13:07] <SirFinkus> delicious now
[03:13:22] <Bytram> still, that was a HUGE improvement over the alternative of saving programs to paper tape.
[03:14:18] * Bytram was trying to picture a hamburger with a mac-n-cheese topping
[03:14:54] <Bytram> break time; biab
[03:19:13] <Deucalion> Bytram, I meant what would happen if the entire dishwasher sized outer unit where bolted to the floor (presumably with rubbers to defeat vibration) - and then your friend exercised the heads as they did.... the unit can no longer "walk" around....
[03:20:21] <Bytram> ahh, now I understand
[03:20:31] <Bytram> would prollyt cause the heads to go out of alignment
[03:22:14] <Bytram> one place I worked, they forgot to set the locks on the drive's wheels... on a production system... they found out about their mistake when the drive had walked several feet across the floor and tipped into the access ramp to the raised-floor area and was tilted at a 20 degree angle... it had reached the end of the cord and it was the only thing keeping it from completely tipping over.
[03:22:27] <Bytram> and ran without errors the whole time.
[03:22:33] <Bytram> they don't make 'em like they used to.
[03:23:12] <Deucalion> I seem to remember they was some "slop" in the width of tracks on hard drives back in those days.... :)
[03:23:17] <Deucalion> there*
[03:23:35] <Bytram> tolerances are just a wee bit finer these days.
[03:23:45] <Bytram> just look at the current areal density.
[03:23:57] <Deucalion> aye.. boggles me
[03:24:17] <Bytram> back then, 6250 bpi was high-density storage on a mag tape (compared to 1600 bpi) ... (bpi == Bits per inch)
[03:29:03] <Deucalion> I still remember the shock moving to DAT tape from good old DC6150 1/4" tapes... wut, how small are these... and how much do they hold... and wait... that's the backup done... that used to take all night, are you sure?... etc. And that was the rate of change in my 20s.... I figure you're probably a gen ahead of me but I don;t think anything has changed when it comes to rate of change.
[03:30:02] <cmn32480> ye gads... I took a goddamn BATH on my rental property this year
[03:30:24] * cmn32480 hates tax time...
[03:30:28] <Deucalion> HA - you can still buy DC6150, DC6250 etc. tape... someone out there is still using them... my bet is on the banks.
[03:30:45] <cmn32480> anybody who has ancient systems...
[03:30:59] <cmn32480> steel mill here had a System/360
[03:31:22] <cmn32480> 'till they went under
[03:32:21] * SirFinkus wonders how much capacity we could have with hard drives that large with today's tech
[03:32:42] * Deucalion wonders what the seek time would be
[03:32:53] <SirFinkus> probably the same as the old days
[03:33:02] <cmn32480> well... how many 4TB drives in a standard 19inch rack?
[03:33:02] <SirFinkus> but probably faster than tape
[03:33:17] <chromas> They could have multiple head armatures
[03:33:26] <cmn32480> 10 drives across?
[03:33:45] <cmn32480> each drive is 6" deep, including the back plane
[03:33:48] <Bytram> I think there is a reason why current drives are only 2.5" or 3.5" instead of the 5" or larger sizes that used to be the norm... I doubt they can maintain the stability and areal density across such large platters.
[03:33:52] <Bytram> anyone know for sure?
[03:34:04] <SirFinkus> it could just be a power thing
[03:34:16] <SirFinkus> and with multiple drives you can have RAID and shit
[03:34:23] <cmn32480> the seek time on spiining rust that big woudl be god awful
[03:34:40] <SirFinkus> not saying it's a good idea, but I'm curious
[03:34:43] <Deucalion> umm.... sorry to mention this... Flash et al. is eating spinning rust. It'll soon be at price parity.
[03:34:53] <cmn32480> true
[03:34:57] <SirFinkus> you're no fun Deucalion
[03:35:17] <cmn32480> never underestimate the bandwidth of a fedex truck going down the highway
[03:35:18] <Bytram> how soon do you realistically think price parity will arrive?
[03:35:19] <Deucalion> SirFinkus, you underestimate me sir
[03:35:26] <SirFinkus> hard drives, printers, and psus need to be dangerous again
[03:36:21] <cmn32480> Obigatory: https://what-if.xkcd.com
[03:36:22] <shekel> ^ 03FedEx Bandwidth
[03:37:11] <chromas> What could we do with wax cylinders using modern wax and needle technology?
[03:37:23] <cmn32480> create them from our ears?
[03:37:38] <Bytram> college ACM club sold tickets to demolish an ancient, no-longer-working Burroughs computer. size of 3 refrigerators. Was very popular. Got three swings with a big old sledgehammer for $1.00 (Freshman Fundamentals of Programming class was a famous source of displeasure).
[03:37:55] <Deucalion> Bytram, with the arrival of 3D flash architectures as already on the market.... a couple of years for near line stuff. Cold storage is another matter...
[03:38:23] <Bytram> I noticed the heavy-duty power supply, and after careful grounding, removed the capacitors; there were a bout a half-dozen 3-fahrad cans
[03:38:45] <Bytram> that quick, eh? I was thinking more like 5 years.
[03:38:58] <chromas> then you had a capacitor fight with your friends ;)
[03:39:01] <Bytram> then again XPoint and their ilk may speed things up.
[03:39:24] <cmn32480> bytram++
[03:39:24] <Bender> karma - bytram: 74
[03:39:41] * Deucalion hides from any capacitor bigger than his thumb... who knows... it could be charged and give a hella belt.... I made that mistake once...
[03:39:47] <Bytram> nope, took a 60-foot power cord, attached each lead to one leg of the cap, hung it out he window and plugged it in.
[03:39:53] <Bytram> sadly, no boom.
[03:40:14] <cmn32480> old Printronix line printers had caps in them that were enormous
[03:40:22] <Bytram> these caps were about 6 inches tall and about 3 inches in diameter
[03:40:29] <cmn32480> smaller than a soda can, but not much
[03:40:38] <Bytram> printronix++ AMAZING printers!
[03:40:38] <Bender> karma - printronix: 1
[03:40:39] <chromas> you needed something else on the circuit, otherwise it's just in series :D
[03:40:53] <cmn32480> the tech used to work without their wedding rings out of fear
[03:41:12] <Bytram> they were only rated for something like 20 volts; thought for sure the 120 volt AC would short it out and then go boom
[03:41:13] <Deucalion> Bytram, well I wouldn't go shorting such a cap even if I thought I knew it were discharged
[03:41:27] <Bytram> hence the long cord and out the window.
[03:41:36] <cmn32480> fellas, you have a good night
[03:41:42] <Bytram> I ws in college then; had more curiosity than wariness at the time.
[03:41:43] <cmn32480> ~gnight #soylent
[03:41:45] * exec prematurely tosses a tinfoil hat of bacon to #soylent
[03:41:50] <Deucalion> sleep well cmn32480
[03:41:52] <Bytram> cmn32480: and a very good night to you, too!
[03:42:00] <cmn32480> same to you, gents
[03:42:05] <cmn32480> and chromas too
[03:42:09] * Bytram knows better than to do something like that, now.
[03:42:13] <chromas> g'night sir
[03:42:20] <cmn32480> ~gnight SirFinkus!
[03:42:23] * exec covertly flings an anvil of Debian at SirFinkus!
[03:42:33] <SirFinkus> night cmn32480
[03:42:35] <Deucalion> we live and learn! huzzah!
[03:42:53] <Bytram> yeah, if I'd have died, it would make the learning part a bit more difficult.
[03:42:55] <Bytram> :/
[03:42:59] <chromas> so if you want to discharge a capacitor or psu or something, is it better to use a resistor?
[03:43:11] <cmn32480> craftsman wrench
[03:43:24] <SirFinkus> tongue works best chromas
[03:43:29] <Deucalion> chromas you troll
[03:43:36] <Bytram> cmn32480: but be sure to *toss* it across the leads... don't hold onto it.
[03:43:39] <chromas> That's what I do, but I wondered if that would discharge too fast or something
[03:43:48] <SirFinkus> or the tip of your penis
[03:43:50] <chromas> (the metal chunk, not tongue)
[03:43:55] <cmn32480> my tech used to use plastic handled screw drivers
[03:44:07] <Bytram> nah, would just weld the craftsman tool to the leads
[03:44:09] <cmn32480> and it was a helluva flash
[03:44:13] <Deucalion> a bath of salty water that is earthed... just chuck it in... then grab a leg
[03:44:24] <chromas> I've found that unplugging and shorting the contacts in a laptop psu helps when it decides to quit working
[03:45:17] <SirFinkus> no, that's for lithium batteries chromas
[03:45:21] <SirFinkus> everyone knows that
[03:45:43] <Deucalion> ahh.. but there is witchcraft in laptop charging bricks... no idea why but my last Dell laptop could tell me the serial number of the power brick attached...
[03:46:14] <Bytram> serial signal superimposed on the power feed?
[03:46:51] <Deucalion> something like that... thing refused to charge unless attached to a Dell power brick thing
[03:47:10] <chromas> at least someone's using PLC
[03:47:18] <Deucalion> Meh - it was a work lappy - glad to see the back of it
[03:50:43] * Bytram saw a 43", 120Hz 4K monitor on sale for $538 at WalMart this past weekend. Wish i had a system that could drive it. Expect the prices to continue to come down on those displays, too.
[03:50:48] <cmn32480> dell has been doing that for years Deucalion
[03:51:05] <cmn32480> there is a chip that can be unsoldered from the mobo to prevent it
[03:51:44] <chromas> Bytram: if you can afford the monitor, surely you can afford a $100 card to drive it
[03:51:53] <chromas> unless you have $0 after you buy it :D
[03:52:08] <Bytram> or have a lpatop that would not accept a card
[03:52:17] <Deucalion> cmn32480, or as a corporate buyer... just don't by Dell. Easier than the soldering stuff.
[03:52:23] <chromas> oh. laptops--
[03:55:00] <Deucalion> chromas, care to suggest a GFX card that can drive a 4K screen at 120Hz (120FPS) at Ultra settings in modern games? I'm not sure even dual nvidia titans could do that reliably.
[03:56:00] <chromas> whatever you've got; just run the game in a window in the corner :D
[03:56:16] <Deucalion> That's what I do :P
[03:56:23] <chromas> But no; I guess I forgot about games
[03:56:39] <chromas> but windows are nice 'cause you can still do irc and stuff. you know, the important things
[03:57:00] <Deucalion> No-one is broadcasting 4K... lucky to get 1080i or maybe 1080p....
[03:57:12] <chromas> run netflix or youtube or something in another corner
[03:57:34] <Deucalion> then use binoculars to find it :D
[03:57:42] <chromas> is there a use to 4k video? I thought it was already established most people can't tell the difference between 720 and 1080 for video at tv distances
[03:57:57] <chromas> now, as a monitor
[03:58:45] <Bytram> chromas: exactly.
[03:58:55] <chromas> Also, why isn't Full HD 1440? that way it's easy to scale up 720 video
[03:59:03] <Bytram> I'm currently running a 24" diagonal 1920x1200 display
[03:59:15] <Deucalion> I have no idea...
[03:59:31] <chromas> You're supposed to know these things
[03:59:33] <Bytram> chromas: at the time, it was all they could do to handle the bandwidth presented by 1080p
[04:00:03] <chromas> I still haven't seen anything in 1080p, except maybe netflix
[04:00:09] <chromas> and possibly youtube
[04:00:14] <Bytram> there were a bunch of intermediary resolutions, IIRC, but we ended up pretty much with 720[i/p] and 1080[i/p] when things settled down.
[04:00:47] <chromas> interlaced video was a retarded thing to do with hd
[04:00:58] <Deucalion> All I do know is that no-one is broadcasting anything at 4K @120Hz. The bandwidth hurt on that would be extreme. You may get some upscaled crud claiming to be 4K... but it won't be.
[04:01:01] <Bytram> with a 43" diagonal, and a 3840x2160 resolution, I could finally have a desktop large enough to keep all of my active windows visible at once without overlap.
[04:03:14] <chromas> but still use virtual desktops anyhow
[04:03:16] <Bytram> Especially with AMD/NVidea going from a 28nm to a 14nm process, graphics cards/controllers will drop in price and increase in capability to the point that it will be reasonably affordable to drive such a large display as a monitor, and the cost of the monitor will decrease as well.
[04:03:17] <chromas> with three monitors
[04:03:34] <Bytram> I figure it'll be 2-3 years and it'd me much more affordable a proposition for me.
[04:03:36] <Bytram> nograb
[04:03:53] <chromas> now if they could just up the dpi a bit
[04:04:17] <Bytram> and, of course, require an even higher bandwidth...
[04:04:19] * chromas stops to do the math on 43" 3840x2160
[04:04:54] <Bytram> while you are at it, take a look at the bandwidth required to drive that display at 60hz
[04:05:26] <chromas> not that much. just use rf over coax
[04:05:55] <Bytram> true-color 32 bpp
[04:05:59] <chromas> then I can get 140 channels, just like cable, with compression artifacts and ads
[04:07:35] <Bytram> (3840 * 2160 * 60 * 32) bits per second
[04:08:22] <chromas> really only need 24bits per pixel, unless your monitor can do transparent pixels
[04:08:37] <chromas> which would be awesome
[04:09:02] <Bytram> according to my calculations that is: 1,769,472,000 bytes/sec
[04:09:16] <Deucalion> Bytram, AMD and NVidia going to smaller processes this year (if you believe it) could change the entire market. If the fluff is to believed AMD are going to be first to market. Then I will be able to afford a last gen card.... if only I could work out their numbering :D
[04:09:17] <chromas> I got 1,990,656,000
[04:10:21] <Bytram> or 14,155,776,000 bits per second
[04:10:49] * Runaway1956 thought he had something with two 24" monitors
[04:10:53] <chromas> Should be able to compress the frames a bit too, losslessly
[04:10:54] <Bytram> and that is assuming no overhead for transmission, no control blocks of any kind.
[04:11:11] <chromas> don't forget the drm
[04:11:30] <Bytram> actually, I'd rather wish I *could* forget the drm.
[04:11:36] <chromas> don't want people stealin' screenies of my browser tabs
[04:11:41] <Bytram> it's not doing anything to help me, that i can see
[04:12:06] <Bytram> anyway... eyelids are getting droopy after a long day at work
[04:12:14] <chromas> g'night, sir
[04:12:15] <Bytram> think it's time to hit the sack
[04:12:23] <Deucalion> nighters Bytram
[04:12:26] <chromas> [joke]
[04:12:30] <Bytram> chromas: and a very good night to you, too!
[04:12:32] <Runaway1956> domestic abuse?
[04:12:37] <Bytram> Deucalion: nice chatting with ya, as always.
[04:12:56] <Deucalion> pfft....
[04:14:24] <chromas> Runaway1956: nah, it's self-abuse. hitting the bag would be domestic abuse
[04:14:38] <Runaway1956> LOL
[04:17:26] <Runaway1956> Ooooh, Clinton is getting nervous, and is emulating Sanders - suddenly she is "outraged" over the high price of pharmaceuticals, and corporate tax dodging.
[04:18:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Canada Stops Sharing Intelligence Over Privacy Breach - http://sylnt.us - sounds-like-a-smart-idea
[04:20:36] * Deucalion hides from the US electioneering
[04:24:39] * Deucalion departs to the under-duvet
[04:26:55] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[04:58:54] * SirFinkus is listening to Paco de Lucía — La Cañada (tangos), from the album Siroco
[04:59:06] <chromas> on Fink FM
[04:59:16] <SirFinkus> YOU KNOW IT
[05:49:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - DHS Official: Balance Rights to Anonymity with Rights to Public Safety - http://sylnt.us - can't-they-find-a-new-excuse-to-steal-my-rights
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[08:03:41] * SirFinkus can't stop listening to La Cañada
[08:07:19] <SirFinkus> here's a website UI FAIL
[08:07:51] <SirFinkus> if you scroll down a bit, a top bar appears with some useful links
[08:07:58] <SirFinkus> but if you scroll up, it disappears
[08:09:18] <Runaway1956> I saw that exact thing a few days ago - I thought it odd, but didn't really give it any thought.
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[11:18:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:18:14] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2154
[11:19:48] <cmn32480> amen buzzard
[11:19:50] <cmn32480> coffee++
[11:19:50] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2155
[11:19:56] <cmn32480> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[11:19:58] * exec insatiably passes a pair of used panties full of red cordial to TheMightyBuzzard
[11:20:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~g'mornin cmn32480
[11:20:12] * exec clumsily slides a caravan of bacon to cmn32480
[11:20:20] <qkontinuum> coffee++
[11:20:21] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2156
[11:20:22] <qkontinuum> http://explosm.net
[11:20:22] <shekel> ^ 03Cyanide Happiness (Explosm.net)
[11:20:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> indeed
[11:21:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[11:21:06] <shekel> ^ 03Enormous Penis a cappella (Da Vinci's Notebook) - YouTube
[11:33:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> so, a whole week of nothin to code
[11:39:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> guess i'll do some minecraft modding
[11:41:54] <Thouren> TheMightyBuzzard, DWARF FORTRESS
[11:42:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> too low rez for me. i needs pixels.
[11:44:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> Thouren, gonna make my lava golem sit and stay where ya put him. following you around all the time can get annoying.
[11:46:42] <Thouren> TheMightyBuzzard, check out the Lazy Newb Pack
[11:46:56] <Thouren> I'm telling you, it's an amazing game once you get past the learning curve
[11:47:41] <qkontinuum> TheMightyBuzzard, are you focusing on client-side mods or server-side (bukkit?)
[11:48:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> Thouren, not interested in learning for fun. i do enough of that already.
[11:48:11] <Thouren> So I just got done watching "The Man from Earth" for the first time in a few years, amazing film
[11:48:32] <Thouren> TheMightyBuzzard, To each their own, wasn't trying to hassle you about it. Just thought it might be a game you'd enjoy
[11:48:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> qkontinuum, both really. adding mobs requires server and client modding.
[11:49:03] <Thouren> TheMightyBuzzard, if you want a beta tester for some mods I am looking for an excuse to set up a minecraft server again
[11:49:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> Thouren, prolly would be if i were bored enough and didn't have a roomie who compulsively buys xbox one games.
[11:49:56] <Thouren> Ugh, xbone
[11:50:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> Thouren, be a while. bout to start working on a mod with the roomie's male child this weekend.
[11:50:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> lava golem mod is just a proof of concept
[11:50:34] <Thouren> No worries
[11:50:35] <qkontinuum> TheMightyBuzzard, didn't try until now. I have some ideas, but too many other things to work on in my free time... Woulld be the hero of my son if I started minecraft-modding, though :-)
[11:50:56] <Thouren> Have a home server, not like I'd be paying for the hosting to spin up a VM for a minecraft server
[11:51:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> Thouren, yar. we got a local server what can barely host a minecraft server, which really is good enough for testing.
[11:52:03] <Thouren> I have a secondhand dell r610
[11:52:04] <qkontinuum> I have a virtual root somewhere for different purposes. I don't want my calendar, address-book etc. from phone on Google or MS cloud...
[11:52:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you got the ram to spin one up for the community though, i've heard interest in it before.
[11:52:17] <Thouren> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com
[11:52:24] <Thouren> What are the ram requirements these days?
[11:53:12] <Thouren> Adding more ram and ssd storage (soon)
[11:53:17] <dyingtolive> i ran it with tekkit a few years ago and used about 4gb. i had about 6 people on it, very spread out.
[11:53:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, i think you could probably get by for a lan on two gigs if you didn't run anything else. i run other stuff though so it gets pretty choppy n laggy.
[11:54:04] <Thouren> I mean ram is $20/1x8gb, have been needing an excuse to upgrade
[11:54:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> dyingtolive, sounds bout right though craftbukkit nowadays runs better than forge or vanilla by a damn sight.
[11:54:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Helsinki University to Downsize by 1000 Staff - http://sylnt.us - cost-of-higher-education
[11:54:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> shame i'm doing client modding too or i'd switch us to craftbukkit
[11:55:31] <dyingtolive> not hard to believe. i haven't even touched MC since M$ got their talons into it.
[11:55:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> so really, for a forge server, eight gigs for maybe a dozen people tops.
[12:03:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> i really need an excuse to build a new server that can handle mc better than a AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 620 with two gigs of ram
[12:12:21] <Thouren> TheMightyBuzzard, I'm running an x4 760k in my gaming machine, still performs great
[12:12:37] <Thouren> TheMightyBuzzard, look on CL and the such for used server gear. Serious bang for your buck
[12:13:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod, may do that if i can figure an excuse to spend the money.
[12:13:43] <Thouren> Spend it because you want to :)
[12:14:38] <qkontinuum> Your contribution to boost economy?
[12:15:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, can't be altruistic because i don't do that.
[12:15:32] <Thouren> TheMightyBuzzard, plenty of good reasons to own a server for personal use
[12:15:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> right now the athlon2 is working fine as a file server and minecraft aside that's all we use it for.
[12:16:02] <qkontinuum> Not even to use it as an excuse? How about "Making used servers more expensive for others by buying the cheap ones"?
[12:16:51] <Thouren> I want to upgrade to an AMD Zen cpu once they're out. My x4 760k mobo/cpu is being repurposed for a NAS system
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[12:21:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> nas is too much of a pain in an all-wireless, heterogeneous OS house. sticking with non-auto-mounting nfs and samba.
[12:21:59] <Thouren> TheMightyBuzzard, don't have any trouble using FreeNAS with any of my devices
[12:23:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> Thouren, wireless goes down when the cable modem cycles. means you're unexpectedly disconnected from the NAS.
[12:24:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> been my experience that samba/nfs handles this more gracefully
[12:24:46] <Thouren> You can have a freenas volume exposed via freenas, have a couple like that myself
[12:25:11] <Thouren> I want to build a dedicated FreeNAS box for storing device backups and stuff I don't want to delete but probably won't need in the near future
[12:25:32] <Thouren> Friend of mine is doing the same too, we're planning on keeping a mirror of each others data
[12:25:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, sounds handy
[12:25:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> expensive on disks but handy.
[12:26:05] <Thouren> 3tb disks are $80 each
[12:26:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> porn collections can get large over the years though
[12:27:20] <Thouren> Not planning to use overpriced nas drives. I'd rather just build in enough redundancy and error correction to use cheap disks
[12:27:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> or in the case of my file server, tons n tons of tv and movies
[12:27:44] <Thouren> Media collection here is getting quite large
[12:27:51] <Thouren> Have you tried Plex Media Server?
[12:28:05] <Thouren> If you have lots of varied devices it's like magic
[12:30:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> tried it, prefer just exposing them via files
[12:31:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> my raspberry pi can mount most any kind of network filesystem, so streaming == worse than byte for byte reading
[12:32:05] <Thouren> TheMightyBuzzard, I like how PLEX automagically handles transcoding, and makes it very easy to lower quality based on connection speed
[12:32:39] <Thouren> Plus it's awesome to whip out my tablet at a friends place, select what we want to watch, and have their chromecast stream it
[12:32:44] <Thouren> No configuration needed
[12:32:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. got that covered here aside from the roomie deciding to download a high quality 1080p movie or something.
[12:33:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i got OSMC on my rpi though. makes for a very nice media center. pulls artwork and episode summaries and shat for you automagically.
[12:34:54] <Thouren> haha, we're running a pretty similar setup them
[12:35:09] <Thouren> Plex and OSMC are both forks of kodi/xbmc
[12:35:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[12:35:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> just server vs client
[12:35:55] <Thouren> Will OSMC run well on a pi-zero?
[12:36:01] <dyingtolive> while you guys are on the topic, which of the two would you recommend?
[12:36:11] <Thouren> Plex, for ease of use
[12:36:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure i spect. it runs fine on a rpi 1A
[12:36:16] <Thouren> It is closed source though
[12:36:30] <dyingtolive> can you still get to a console in it?
[12:36:32] <Thouren> But I think I'll make an afternoon project out of kodi on a pi0
[12:36:37] <dyingtolive> ssh or something?
[12:36:44] <Thouren> dyingtolive, on the server it runs on, sure
[12:36:56] <dyingtolive> i might be able to live with that then.
[12:37:00] <Thouren> I'm running Plex Media server on a Ubuntu Server 14.04 VM
[12:37:09] <Thouren> It's not a dedicated OS image or anything
[12:37:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> depends on your network. what kinda bandwidth you have?
[12:38:23] <dyingtolive> Bussard: you talking to me?
[12:38:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[12:38:38] <dyingtolive> ugh. Buzzard, even
[12:38:49] <Thouren> Plus plex has options to downgrade quality based on bandwidth easily, and if you pay for their "pro" subscription it'll sync transcoded files to your devices automagically
[12:38:50] <dyingtolive> i get about 70 down / 5 up.
[12:39:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> streaming's gonna be better if you're stuck on 802.11g or a bad 802.11n connection. gigabit wired you're better off using a media center like kodi or osmc and getting full quality.
[12:39:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> dyingtolive, lan, man, lan
[12:40:24] <dyingtolive> it'd probably be wireless, unfortunately. i can't get away with punching holes to run cable in my apartment.
[12:40:47] <dyingtolive> though the girlfriend is moving in in a few months, so i might just rearrange things to have a lan connection by then anyway.
[12:40:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> same here but we get good 802.11n signal round the house.
[12:40:59] <Thouren> dyingtolive, that's what makes the connection quality settings and idiot-proof sync options so amazing
[12:41:16] <Thouren> Probably should set up VM's with each running, see which you like more
[12:41:17] <dyingtolive> yeah, you're doing a pretty good job of selling me on it.
[12:41:27] <dyingtolive> that's not a bad idea.
[12:41:33] <AndyTheAbsurd> dyingtolive: usually you can get away with punching hole in apartment walls - just be sure to spackle and paint over the holes before you move out.
[12:41:42] <AndyTheAbsurd> Always worked for me, anyway.
[12:41:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> streaming's nice and easy to set up specially on plex or ums but remember it always degrades quality if you have to transcode.
[12:42:15] <Thouren> dyingtolive, create an account on Plex's website then PM me with the email you used for it. I'll add you to my plex share so you can check it out. you'll just need the plex for chrome app
[12:42:18] <dyingtolive> how do you guys handle control of the media center? like, remotes? wireless keyboards?
[12:42:21] <Thouren> or even the android app
[12:42:32] <dyingtolive> oh. that kind of answers that question then.
[12:42:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> dyingtolive, mine's a little bitty wireless keyboard/mouse thing.
[12:42:57] <Thouren> I mostly use it with a chromecast, using a android tablet as "remote"
[12:43:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> hang on, will show yas.
[12:43:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://www.mcmelectronics.com
[12:43:36] <Thouren> dyingtolive, you have a chromecast?
[12:44:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> roughly as long as your hand. controlls the rpi quite well even if you need to type things.
[12:44:32] <dyingtolive> no. i've been using a fire tv stick. what is does is great, but i'm sick of rubbing against the edges of the walled garden.
[12:44:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus it has a laser pointer which offers me endless house of screwing around all by itself.
[12:45:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/house/hours/
[12:45:20] <sedctl> <TheMightyBuzzard> plus it has a laser pointer which offers me endless hours of screwing around all by itself.
[12:45:20] <dyingtolive> wow that keyboard is small, if the usb is to scale.
[12:45:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod, it is.
[12:45:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> bout as long as your hand.
[12:45:37] <Thouren> dyingtolive, see if it has plex support. But seriously make an account on the plex website and you can use my server to check out the interface, streaming settings, etc
[12:45:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> well my hand.
[12:46:00] <Thouren> I don't have great upload, you usually have to limit to 720p
[12:46:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> it sucks if you have to do a LOT of typing on it but for setting up a distro or navigating media center menus it's da shiz.
[12:48:36] <dyingtolive> oh... looking more at the plex site, pi isn't supported?
[12:49:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://www.htpcbeginner.com
[12:49:45] <shekel> ^ 03Combine the best of Kodi and Plex with PleXBMC Addon
[12:51:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, smoke n coffee n bullshit with the roomie time. back later
[12:51:48] <cmn32480> http://www.newegg.com
[12:51:49] <shekel> ^ 03Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, LED LCD TV, Digital Cameras and more - Newegg.com ( http://www.newegg.com )
[12:52:04] <cmn32480> I use these in our conference rooms
[12:52:25] <cmn32480> they work pretty well, and the battery life has been far better than I ever anticipated
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[14:20:22] <dyingtolive> does anyone have any strong feelings on modern software raid vs hardware raid for a home environment?
[14:21:36] <qkontinuum> I'm not an admin, but my layman opinion would be to prefer SW raid for more flexibility and lower price.
[14:21:56] <cmn32480> hardware has a lot sless overhead
[14:22:07] <cmn32480> and is not OS dependant
[14:22:32] <cmn32480> it really depends what you are tryign to accomplish
[14:24:00] <dyingtolive> yeah, the overhead was something i was wondering about. i was thinking about doing media server/ownCloud type stuff, so it would probably see quite a bit of usage.
[14:24:03] <Thouren> I like hardware for local "scratch space" raid, big fan of ZFS on a dedicated box for backups and stuff you don't need available wicked fast or change often
[14:25:11] <cmn32480> depending on how you want to do it, Synology makes some nice home NAS boxen
[14:26:31] <cmn32480> this is somethign that I am considering implementing at my house
[14:26:31] <cmn32480> https://www.synology.com
[14:26:33] <shekel> ^ 03Service Support - Synology - Network Attached Storage (NAS)
[14:27:39] <dyingtolive> that looks pretty slick.
[14:28:21] <dyingtolive> they're a little pricy though. my initial plan involved cramming them into an existing box laying around the apartment.
[14:28:58] <cmn32480> I have a 2 disk unit on a mirror... a 212j (I think)
[14:29:21] <cmn32480> they ahve a lot of addons that you can put in, including the cloud storage
[14:29:45] <cmn32480> to sync a folder to a folder
[14:31:05] <cmn32480> everything depends on how much storage you need for that pron collection
[14:31:41] <dyingtolive> the software might make it worth it then. i was hoping for a 3 drive raid5, and the jump from the 2 bay nas to the 4 pay is pretty steep.
[14:31:54] <Thouren> dyingtolive, https://www.reddit.com
[14:31:54] <shekel> ^ 03Too Many Requests
[14:32:34] <dyingtolive> welp, i'm not getting anything done today. thanks Thouren.
[14:33:08] <Thouren> dyingtolive, you're welcome bro
[14:33:14] <cmn32480> Raid 5 is bad
[14:33:26] <cmn32480> EVIL
[14:33:33] <cmn32480> and deadly to large hard disks
[14:34:01] <dyingtolive> serious question: why? double read speed and you can lose a disk and still keep your data?
[14:34:06] <dyingtolive> seems like a good compromise.
[14:35:00] <Thouren> Chances of a second disk dying increase during a rebuild, not enough redundancy in raid5 to handle that with large disks
[14:35:04] <Thouren> Trust us, no raid5
[14:35:05] <cmn32480> the roblem is when you lose the disk
[14:35:35] <cmn32480> they thrash the living shit out of the others to recreate the missing disk and you can easily lose a second disk in the process.
[14:36:22] <dyingtolive> but wouldn't the same thing happen repairing a raid 1?
[14:36:45] <Thouren> I use raid5 on a 4x 240gb ssd array, but all the data is backed up
[14:37:08] <Thouren> Simply because going to a better redundancy makes available space plummet
[14:37:52] <dyingtolive> well, that was also the nice thing about the raid5, but if i did that, i probably wouldn't have a backup, so it now sounds dangerous.
[14:38:10] <Thouren> Raid is for redundancy, not backup
[14:38:50] <Thouren> Raid is good for making a machine able to handle a drive failure without shitting itself
[14:39:04] <dyingtolive> right. still doesn't change the fact that i wouldn't have a backup. :)
[14:39:23] <Thouren> It's your data, do what you want with it
[14:39:32] <Thouren> multi-terabyte drives are cheap
[14:40:16] <Thouren> Throw some in a spare box, run headless linux, use rsync to backup
[14:40:24] <Thouren> and TEST recovering from a backup
[14:42:04] <cmn32480> RAID 6 at a minimum... 10 if you can afford the disks
[14:42:23] <Thouren> ZFS is also a great choice for a dedicated box
[14:42:36] <dyingtolive> Thouren: well, i mean, i've thought about it. it's not just about the hard drive cost though. power consumption and the amount of space stuff takes up in my tiny ass apartment is another concern.
[14:42:40] <Thouren> FreeNAS isn't terrible difficult to set up
[14:43:03] <Thouren> dyingtolive, you can always turn it on for backups then shut it down the rest of the time
[14:43:13] <dyingtolive> true.
[14:44:02] <cmn32480> so I'm guessing you don't have a 19" rack then?
[14:44:38] <dyingtolive> tragically not. thought about getting one when i lived in my old apartment. we had a spare room we joked about turning into a server room.
[14:44:55] <dyingtolive> s/one/several/
[14:44:55] <sedctl> <dyingtolive> tragically not. thought about getting several when i lived in my old apartment. we had a spare room we joked about turning into a server room.
[14:46:56] * cmn32480 's wife won't let him ahve one either
[14:47:22] <cmn32480> hence why I went to the 2 disk Synology
[14:47:51] <cmn32480> sits in a little corner of my desk, w/ a USB connected drive attached to it for backups, just in case
[14:47:57] <Thouren> cmn32480, tell her no makeup or starbucks till you get a sweet ass server rack full of kit
[14:48:31] <cmn32480> thouren s/starbucks/dunkin donuts/
[14:48:38] <Thouren> Adjust as needed
[14:48:44] <dyingtolive> well, at least she has good taste in coffee
[14:48:53] <cmn32480> hehe
[14:49:01] <Thouren> If you earn your money you can spend it however you want bro
[14:49:07] * dyingtolive hates starbucks
[14:49:26] <cmn32480> I did find that the 2 disk NAS w/ a mirrored 4tb drive adn a USB 4TB Drive backing it up was a reasonable middle ground
[14:49:31] <dyingtolive> tastes burnt or something
[14:49:40] <cmn32480> broiled hog anus
[14:49:50] <Thouren> cmn32480, I like the idea of a drive attached via usb for backup. Never thought of that
[14:50:22] <cmn32480> if the whole unit shits the bed, and takes both ddrives with it, I still got my data.
[14:50:48] <Thouren> yeah that's why i don't worry about my ssd raid5, shits backed up anyway
[14:51:15] <cmn32480> that solved my 3 vs 4 drives argument at a reasonable cost
[14:51:20] <cmn32480> RAID 5 is EVIL
[14:51:35] <cmn32480> aned should be deprecated out of existance
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[14:51:45] <dyingtolive> i guess the other nice thing of raid 1 over raid 5 is that you can just slap one of those drives into whatever and still read it if your controller goes tits up.
[14:51:49] <cmn32480> I don't think most of the major server vendors even allow it anymore
[14:52:05] <cmn32480> dyingtolive++
[14:52:05] <Bender> karma - dyingtolive: 1
[14:52:16] <cmn32480> you a very schmart man
[14:52:19] <Thouren> cmn32480, it's a 480gb vs 720gb pool decision. All the data is backed up, if I lose a second drive during a rebuild it's just $60 down the drain and an hour of my time
[14:52:22] <dyingtolive> yeah, okay, you convinced me.
[14:53:06] <cmn32480> plus USB cases are like $15
[14:53:13] <cmn32480> even ones with a fan
[14:54:56] <Thouren> I use 6x 3tb in raidz2 for fault tolerant storage and backups
[14:55:14] <Thouren> With a spare drive sitting on a shelf ready in case one fails
[14:55:43] <cmn32480> I keep that spare for all my servers at the office.
[14:56:16] <Thouren> Always a good idea to keep a spare handy, running with a dead drive for long is just inviting a second failure during rebuild
[14:56:25] * Runaway1956 keeps his spare drive inside the computer enclosure to prevent some dumbass taking it for some pointless use
[14:56:36] <cmn32480> I'm comfortable with the mirror and USB setup I am ok
[14:56:37] <Runaway1956> Morning, everyone
[14:56:46] * Thouren practices good physical security so I don't need to worry about people taking my stuff
[14:56:48] <paulej72> morning Runaway1956
[14:56:48] <cmn32480> ~gday Runaway1956
[14:56:50] * exec abrasively postulates a socket of Debian towards Runaway1956
[14:56:52] <Thouren> Morning
[14:57:36] <cmn32480> with amazon prime, I have the drive in a day or two. it isn't a worth while expense for me to have a drive sitting around doing nothing
[14:57:43] <cmn32480> at home
[14:57:46] <Runaway1956> Just found an awesome little machine - I've sent an email to find out how much it costs - http://www.drs.com
[14:57:48] <shekel> ^ 03BMDT-3 | DRS Technologies, Inc.
[14:57:50] <cmn32480> for work, they can afford it!
[14:58:48] <Runaway1956> www.drs.com/media/1729/drs_bmdt-3_uk_data_sheet_2015.pdf
[14:59:28] <dyingtolive> odd that there's no actual specs listed on that product page.
[15:00:05] <Runaway1956> the data sheet has specs - can't remember which closed tab supplied the link to the PDF
[15:00:22] <dyingtolive> found it.
[15:00:28] <dyingtolive> http://www.drs.com
[15:01:30] <dyingtolive> that's pretty decent actually.
[15:02:11] <dyingtolive> resolution kind of sucks, but you don't exactly get something like that for photoshop. it's also a proper aspect ratio.
[15:02:13] <Runaway1956> I had an old, old, OLD 286 milspec laptop. Still do, as a matter of fact. Milspec is really tough - almost drive over it with a tank.
[15:03:37] * Runaway1956 is ashamed he can't even remember what the laptop is so he heads off to drag it out . . .
[15:03:37] <dyingtolive> well, even non-milspec 286s were built pretty tough. i think my dad's probably still works.
[15:04:24] <Thouren> https://www.youtube.com
[15:04:25] <shekel> ^ 0399 Fr - YouTube
[15:05:59] <Runaway1956> Ehhh - stupid Toshiba was sitting where I thought the 286 was - will maybe look later . . .
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[16:26:36] <MrPlow> Submitting. Be patient, there's a mandatory delay
[16:27:06] <MrPlow> Story submitted. https://soylentnews.org
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[17:20:32] <mrcoolbp> wow I missed all the fun this weekend!
[17:20:42] * mrcoolbp has family over and worked this weekend too
[17:21:10] <cmn32480> what fun?
[17:21:27] <cmn32480> we stuffed the story queue Friday night adn ignored the world the rest of the weekend!!
[17:22:05] <mrcoolbp> I mean the slashdot stuff
[17:22:11] <cmn32480> oh
[17:22:13] <mrcoolbp> still reading backlog/comments
[17:22:13] <cmn32480> THAT fun
[17:22:15] <mrcoolbp> yeah
[17:22:20] <cmn32480> yes.. taht was interesting
[17:22:27] * mrcoolbp updates the funding goal
[17:22:30] <cmn32480> we added 14(?) new accounts that day
[17:23:09] <Bytram> yes, 14.
[17:23:46] * cmn32480 adds "Statmaster" to Bytram's growing list of titles
[17:24:15] * Bytram smiles
[17:24:18] <mrcoolbp> = )
[17:24:26] <mrcoolbp> how ya doin' Bytram?
[17:24:36] <Bytram> here's the last weeks' signup counts:
[17:24:36] <Bytram> 2016-01-24 4
[17:24:36] <Bytram> 2016-01-26 5
[17:24:36] <Bytram> 2016-01-27 1
[17:24:36] <Bytram> 2016-01-28 1
[17:24:37] <Bytram> 2016-01-29 14
[17:24:39] <Bytram> 2016-01-30 4
[17:24:40] <Bytram> 2016-01-31 4
[17:24:43] <Bytram> 2016-02-01 6
[17:24:45] <Bytram> trying to get ready for work; need to be there in 1/2 hr
[17:24:54] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: so good to see ya!
[17:24:57] <mrcoolbp> oh okay, don't let us keep ya man
[17:25:02] <mrcoolbp> good to "see" ya too
[17:25:17] <cmn32480> have a good day Bytram!
[17:25:33] * cmn32480 notes that some of us have been at work since 6am
[17:26:14] * Bytram notes some of us have to work until 9:30pm and suspects mrcoolbp can top that handily
[17:26:28] <mrcoolbp> oh yeah
[17:26:33] <mrcoolbp> been there past 2am
[17:26:45] <mrcoolbp> not on the regular though, midnight is the latest I'm usually there
[17:27:11] <mrcoolbp> oh and we regularly have to start at 7am, sooo the swing is the worse part
[17:27:19] <Bytram> nice bump in funding!
[17:27:44] <cmn32480> I remember the days of working open to close in a restaurant as a barback
[17:28:02] <cmn32480> 10am to wheneverthehell we closed
[17:28:23] <cmn32480> liquor stopped at 1am... cleanup was usually done by 3-330am...
[17:28:40] <Bytram> long day indeed!
[17:29:00] <Bytram> my best (worst?) was 4 all-nighter's in one week; total of 94.5 hrs worked
[17:29:11] <Bytram> yep 54.5 hours of *overtime*
[17:29:42] * Bytram really liked THAT paycheck
[17:29:58] * Bytram notes that the boss was not as pleased.
[17:32:10] * Bytram wonders if the Fun-and-games arcade will set up VR games to play?
[17:32:16] <Bytram> and, with that, I really GTG
[17:32:23] <Bytram> catch ya all again later
[17:32:37] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[17:32:39] <cmn32480> ~gday bytram
[17:32:40] * exec abnormally slides an anvil of coffee++ to bytram
[17:33:52] <mrcoolbp> damn Soylent is slow today, is it just me?
[17:34:07] <mrcoolbp> It's not snappy = /
[17:35:49] <cmn32480> only the stories with a metric shitton of comments
[17:36:04] <cmn32480> this one took a 15 count to load: https://soylentnews.org
[17:36:07] <shekel> ^ 03SN article: Slashdot and SourceForge Sold by Dice to BIZX, LLC 04(170 comments)
[17:36:17] <cmn32480> I blame TheMightyBuzzard
[17:36:42] <mrcoolbp> oh right, we were talking about high-comment stories, we should look into that at some point
[17:37:26] <mrcoolbp> I mean, 150 comments isn't really a lot by internet standards (read: reddit threads with 10K + comments)
[17:37:42] <mrcoolbp> then again reddit's servers are down constantly, but when it works it works
[17:37:48] <chromas> tmb's going to look into it after the update
[17:37:53] <mrcoolbp> oh cool
[17:38:01] <chromas> he wants to rewrite that part
[17:38:12] <mrcoolbp> of course chromas knows more about the site than the guy with the @ in front of his name
[17:38:25] * mrcoolbp looks embarrased
[17:38:35] <chromas> that just shows how much free time I have :D
[17:38:46] <mrcoolbp> how have you been good sir?
[17:41:17] <chromas> pretty good. you?
[18:00:49] <cmn32480> ~gday chromas
[18:00:51] * exec spontaneously flings a coffee++ mug of glowballs at chromas
[18:01:34] <chromas> ~g'day cmn32480
[18:01:36] * exec suspiciously passes a tinfoil hat of spew to cmn32480
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[19:13:21] <SirFinkus-phone> Oh god, just saw a graph that made me cringe in anthropology
[19:13:44] <cmn32480> was it a chart of how many minutes you've wasted in that class all semester?
[19:13:46] <SirFinkus-phone> Crutchy might enjoy this
[19:13:54] <SirFinkus-phone> So Ted talk
[19:14:29] <SirFinkus-phone> Thesis is people with "non futured" languages save more
[19:14:33] <cmn32480> that bear is fucking annoying
[19:15:02] <SirFinkus-phone> So he brings up a graph that shows savings as a percent of gdp
[19:16:15] <SirFinkus-phone> Highlight the different languages and proudly states that in places that non futured languages are spoken, people save 5%m more
[19:16:56] <cmn32480> ~g non-futured language
[19:16:57] <exec> [google] www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/...language.../279484/
[19:16:58] <exec> [google] www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/...language.../279484/
[19:17:24] <SirFinkus-phone> Trouble is, fucking Luxembourg is sitting at the extreme left of the graph, and what a shock! They speak a non futured language
[19:17:42] <SirFinkus-phone> No matter that it's a fucking tax haven
[19:18:00] <SirFinkus-phone> And was a significant outlier on the graph
[19:18:37] <SirFinkus-phone> Switzerland was also prominent
[19:19:25] <SirFinkus-phone> Basically it means words don't have past present future tenses
[19:19:40] <SirFinkus-phone> cmn32480
[19:19:52] <cmn32480> ahhhh thanks
[19:21:26] <SirFinkus-phone> That might be a bullshit term because he put languages that do have past present and future tenses on words in that category
[19:23:36] <cmn32480> did you call her on this questionable tactic of classification?
[19:23:49] <SirFinkus-phone> Languages affecting perception in a major way is one of those theories that sounds common sense, and most people believe, but there's no evidence to support it
[19:24:19] <SirFinkus-phone> Yeah, she said she didn't know enough about the study
[19:25:12] <SirFinkus-phone> That begs the question "why are we watching this?"
[19:25:39] <cmn32480> so non-futured languages and tax laws need to be taken into account.
[19:26:16] <SirFinkus-phone> I mean, Ted talks might be popular among the "I fucking love science" crowd
[19:26:28] <SirFinkus-phone> Among a million other things
[19:27:29] <SirFinkus-phone> But anyway, Ted talks aren't known for their scientific rigor
[19:27:45] <cmn32480> key word: science
[19:27:52] <cmn32480> anthropology ain't hard science
[19:28:07] <SirFinkus-phone> They play pretty fast and loose with the whole "evidence" thing
[19:28:44] <SirFinkus-phone> Hard vs soft science is a useless distinction
[19:29:02] <SirFinkus-phone> It's either science, or it's not
[19:29:18] <cmn32480> s/hard//
[19:29:18] <sedctl> <cmn32480> anthropology ain't science
[19:29:55] <cmn32480> this is a clear case of having a hypothesis and taking data to make it olook true
[19:30:01] <SirFinkus-phone> At least not what's taught in my class
[19:30:12] <cmn32480> regardless of all other variables
[19:30:13] <SirFinkus-phone> It could be science
[19:31:09] <SirFinkus-phone> Holy shit, just realized another thing
[19:31:27] <cmn32480> you paid to be taught this crap?
[19:31:31] <SirFinkus-phone> Did this motherfucker take population into account?
[19:31:47] <cmn32480> population size?
[19:31:55] <cmn32480> or just % of GDP
[19:32:01] <takyon> hi
[19:32:07] <SirFinkus-phone> Of the countries involved
[19:32:32] <SirFinkus-phone> Or did he just average the gdps?
[19:34:37] <SirFinkus-phone> That might affect the data slightly
[19:35:09] <SirFinkus-phone> And renders the graph almost completely irrelevant
[19:35:38] <SirFinkus-phone> Whatever, next class, I'll bitch more later
[19:35:58] <SirFinkus-phone> Which I'm sure everyone is looking forward to
[19:35:59] <cmn32480> c-ya SirFinkus-phone
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[19:50:03] <Gravis> YOU THERE(○｀д´)ﾉｼSTOP! Σ(っﾟДﾟ)っEeeek!
[19:52:22] <takyon> http://www.futurity.org
[19:52:23] <shekel> ^ 03These stem cells might repair tiny skulls - Futurity
[19:53:02] <takyon> looks like firefox 46 adds a "Save to Pocket" option to the context menu, and I don't like it
[19:53:12] <takyon> I'm going to be accidentally selecting that rather than "Copy"
[19:53:46] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[19:53:47] <shekel> ^ 03Samsung trolls Google, adds adblockers to phones • The Register
[19:54:26] <Gravis> takyon: then dont use that stupid shit.
[19:54:37] <Gravis> takyon: firefox is dead
[19:54:49] <takyon> I need it
[19:54:58] <Gravis> for?
[19:54:59] <AndyTheAbsurd> Mozilla has stopped listening to their user base (as of years ago), IMO it is long past time to abandon them the way they abandoned their users.
[19:55:03] <takyon> stuff
[19:55:13] <Gravis> takyon: there are other browsers
[19:55:25] <takyon> I use 2-4 browsers
[19:55:28] <takyon> at once
[19:55:34] <Gravis> takyon: why?
[19:55:48] <takyon> stuff
[19:56:02] <AndyTheAbsurd> takyon: I've been pretty okay with just Pale Moon and Chrome. You'd be surprised how much stuff Just Works in Pale Moon.
[19:56:15] <Gravis> takyon: welp... you can't argue with that logic!
[19:56:21] <takyon> exactly
[19:56:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> I do keep Firefox around. And one site I need for work still requires IE, so I run that occasionally.
[19:56:36] <Gravis> takyon: you're still dumb for using it. :P
[19:58:10] <Gravis> takyon: this kind of dumb: http://adammclane.com
[19:58:28] <takyon> old meme is old
[19:58:36] <takyon> #feelthebern grandpa
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[20:01:48] <takyon> adblocking or ad-blocking
[20:03:42] <AndyTheAbsurd> add-on-blocking because you won't be able to install any add-ons to Firefox.
[20:03:53] <AndyTheAbsurd> still better than hard-on-blocking, though.
[20:05:03] <takyon> https://soylentnews.org
[20:05:04] <shekel> ^ 03SN Submission by takyon: Samsung Enables Ad-Blocking Capabilities on its Android Browser
[20:07:55] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[20:07:56] <shekel> ^ 03Rooting your Android phone? Google’s rumbled you again • The Register
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[20:11:41] <takyon> http://www.npr.org
[20:11:41] <shekel> ^ 03One Of The World's Greatest Chefs Is Found Dead In His Swiss Home : The Two-Way : NPR
[20:19:58] <Gravis> takyon: you said it best, "old meme is old" which is purely factual information. if you think that old is a negative trait, you have only the icy grip of the death that is spacetime to blame. ;)
[20:22:25] <Gravis> takyon: and that also means you're an ageist, the most proposterous of bigotries
[20:52:30] <Gravis> truthbomb: https://soylentnews.org
[20:52:31] <shekel> ^ 03SN comment by [02Gravis (4596)] (02Score:2)
[20:54:22] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you really need to implement a 5 minute edit window for comments. i use preview but mistakes still happen.
[20:54:50] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: obviously, if a reply or modding occurs, the window is closed.
[20:56:01] <AndyTheAbsurd> ennhhhh....I think the ability to *add* to a post - with an automatic "Edited at $TIME to add:" prepended - would be better than allowing random edits. I feel like it's better transparency that way.
[20:57:17] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: why would you want to read the earlier version of a post?
[20:57:39] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: do you think people are going to write something terrible and make a radical edit before anyone can mod it?
[20:57:40] <chromas> Why would you check your comment for errors after pressing Post instead of before?
[20:58:01] <Gravis> chromas: accidents happen.
[20:58:22] <Gravis> "why would you run into another car?!"
[20:58:27] <AndyTheAbsurd> So I know what came before. And people writing something terrible then making radical edits (or deleting their comment) is shit that happens frequently on reddit and is something that should be avoided.
[20:58:50] <chromas> and youtube, imgur, et cetera
[20:59:21] <AndyTheAbsurd> Yeah, pretty much anywhere that allows you to take those actions sees it get abused.
[20:59:32] <chromas> [Deleted]
[20:59:39] <chromas> [Deleted]
[20:59:47] <AndyTheAbsurd> In fact, I feel that "any power that can be abused will be" is one of the Laws of the Universe.
[21:00:10] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: how about a threshold for edits?
[21:00:16] <AndyTheAbsurd> But oh look, it's 16:00 which means it's time for me to go home.
[21:00:41] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: that way you can't make a radical edit but you can correct a mistake
[21:01:11] <chromas> allow full edits with wiki-style history
[21:01:38] <Gravis> chromas: too much overhead
[21:02:18] <chromas> nah, you just load the latest of each comment and have links to previous versions
[21:02:23] <Gravis> you could limit it to users with high amounts of karma
[21:02:50] <chromas> and of course, all ACs have access to edit all other AC comments :)
[21:03:07] <Gravis> ACs can burn upon posting for all i care
[21:05:27] <Gravis> it's easy enough to maintain +50 karma by just posting regularly and not being a douche on most of your posts
[21:06:42] <chromas> need a +1, douché mod
[21:07:00] <Gravis> lol
[21:07:20] <Gravis> chromas: i'm pretty sure most people would prefer it be -1
[21:07:42] <chromas> nah, the accent means it's a classy douche
[21:08:10] <Gravis> chromas: no, it just means unicode is supported. :P
[21:08:20] <chromas> ascii has accented letters
[21:09:33] <Gravis> chromas: actually, it doesn't
[21:10:46] <chromas> extended ascii counts
[21:10:53] <Gravis> no it doesn't
[21:11:04] <chromas> it does; this isn't the 1980s
[21:11:36] <Gravis> though i kinda wish it was
[21:11:42] <Gravis> though the music sucked
[21:12:13] <chromas> there's never been a time of 100% non-sucky music
[21:12:34] <Gravis> ASCII
[21:12:34] <Gravis> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[21:12:34] <Gravis> Not to be confused with MS Windows-1252 or other types of Extended ASCII.
[21:12:41] <Gravis> chromas: see, they even warned you!
[21:13:09] <chromas> there aren't any systems made in the last 30 years that don't support extended ascii
[21:14:15] <Gravis> there is ASCII https://en.wikipedia.org and then there this a lot of confusion masquerading as ASCII https://en.wikipedia.org
[21:14:16] <shekel> ^ 03Wiki: ASCII
[21:14:16] <shekel> ^ 03Wiki: Extended ASCII
[21:17:12] <Gravis> chromas: though the part that matters is how W3C defines ASCII: http://www.w3schools.com
[21:17:12] <shekel> ^ 03HTML ASCII Reference
[21:17:53] <Gravis> chromas: what you are describing is ANSI: http://www.w3schools.com
[21:17:54] <shekel> ^ 03HTML Windows-1252 Reference
[21:20:13] <Gravis> so here is my correction:
[21:20:13] <Gravis> <chromas> nah, the accent means it's a classy douche
[21:20:13] <Gravis> <Gravis> chromas: no, it just means you aren't using ASCII. :P
[21:22:33] <Gravis> chromas: all that's left for you to do is open your twitter feed and post "TIL: ASCII is the best and not to be confused with that Extended ASCII rubbish." :D
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[21:26:27] <chromas> You're just butthurt because people figured out what to do with those wasted bits
[21:26:48] * chromas imagines signed chars
[21:33:45] <Gravis> chromas: bits? it's just one bit and i'm quite glad they used it to make UTF-8. without it, i couldn't do this: ((ヾ(≧皿≦；)ノ＿))Fuuuuuu—-！
[21:34:04] <chromas> one bit per byte though
[21:34:09] <chromas> so it adds up
[21:34:58] <Gravis> chromas: no, just one bit at a time. they are artisanal bytes. ;)
[21:36:16] <Gravis> !!!!|┛*｀Д´|┛・・~~┻━┻ ┳━┳
[21:36:32] <chromas> probably organic and vegan too. yuck
[21:36:45] <chromas> hipster bits
[21:39:23] <Gravis> WHATщ(ﾟДﾟщ)
[22:01:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Circuit City Coming Back From the Dead - http://sylnt.us - he's-a-dead-parrot-vs-he's-not-dead-yet
[22:05:16] <AndyTheAbsurd> Gravis: my concern is, if something happened, someone shouldn't be able to alter the comment then deny that they said something.
[22:05:58] <AndyTheAbsurd> I guess a wiki-style post history would be good enough but apparently you think its too much overhead.
[22:06:33] <mechanicjay> Latest article could have been a better Monty Python reference. "From the pining for the fjords dept"
[22:15:00] <takyon> of course I'm an ageist
[22:15:32] <takyon> what's this about wiki-style post history
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[22:15:41] <AndyTheAbsurd> well we wouldn't want any of those terrible geists in here, would we?
[22:15:52] <AndyTheAbsurd> With their awful geism and all.
[22:16:23] <chromas> zeit
[22:16:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> takyon: scroll back about an hour and 20 minutes worth
[22:18:34] <takyon> that shit is not likely to happen
[22:19:04] <takyon> I would support a comment embargo... where you can save a draft of a comment and come back to it later
[22:19:06] <chromas> Just use your mouse wheel :D
[22:19:12] <takyon> have it expire after 7 days or something
[22:20:25] <takyon> of course, drafts aren't going to help you much because if you are a day late to a soylent article not a lot of people are going to notice your amazing researched comment
[22:21:01] <chromas> Fortunately you can research and compose your comment ahead of time because the news was five days ago
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[22:26:50] <cmn32480> No Mas!
[22:26:54] * cmn32480 goes home
[22:27:01] <cmn32480> ~gday #soylent
[22:27:02] * exec dexterously flings a cold can of red cordial at #soylent
[22:27:07] <CantStumpTheTrump> make Soylent great again
[22:28:19] * chromas puts up a wall, just like facebook used to have
[22:28:22] <AndyTheAbsurd> CantStumpTheTrump: Again? That would imply that it was ever great.
[22:34:34] <mechanicjay> AndyTheAbsurd: Greatness is relative
[23:06:41] <CantStumpTheTrump> great balls
[23:30:14] <SirFinkus> you rang?
[23:30:55] <Gravis> <AndyTheAbsurd> Gravis: my concern is, if something happened, someone shouldn't be able to alter the comment then deny that they said something.
[23:30:55] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: if you reply or mod them, the window for editing would close, so no big deal.
[23:33:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Study Casts Doubt on Seasonal Affective Disorder - http://sylnt.us - minor-depression-is-no-picnic-either
[23:33:11] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: also, there should be threshold on how much you can edit. so you can change no more than 20 consecutive chars but you could rearrange them.
[23:33:48] <CantStumpTheTrump> someone could hit the reply button, compose their reply, and when they submit the reply the comment is edited
[23:33:50] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: something like that would be terribly hard to abuse and not even worth the effort
[23:34:15] <CantStumpTheTrump> you can probably reply by API or something too
[23:34:39] <Gravis> CantStumpTheTrump: right because TheMightyBuzzard has time to implement that
[23:36:07] <Gravis> CantStumpTheTrump: in the case of a reply to an altered comment, it should give you the choice to reply to the updated version or force the old comment to display above the original
[23:36:46] <Gravis> it's not rocket surgery
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[23:38:54] <Gravis> but that option should be available for ~60 mins to avoid overhead
[23:42:52] <Gravis> it doesn't take much to foil trolls