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[00:04:05] <Deucalion> Happy New Year from the UK :P
[00:06:24] <chromas> How's 2016 so far? Am I gonna regret stepping into it? :)
[00:08:04] <Deucalion> Lots of fireworks around and about... but otherwise seems the same as yesterday. Only 7 minutes in mind, for all I know there could be a martian invasion before the day is out.
[00:09:41] <crutchy> lol
[00:09:48] <crutchy> happy new year Deucalion o/
[00:09:52] <Deucalion> In fact that was not a solar flare that hit us the last day or so - it was the martian invasion using the sun to power their launch toward earth
[00:10:21] * crutchy is communicating from the martian spaceship
[00:10:37] <Deucalion> happy new year to you too crutchy o/ Probably a bit late for you though right?
[00:10:46] <crutchy> ~time
[00:10:48] <exec> Friday, 1 January 2016 @ 11:10 am GMT+11 - Traralgon VIC
[00:10:53] <Deucalion> ~time juggs
[00:10:54] <exec> Friday, 1 January 2016 @ 12:10 am GMT - London, UK
[00:10:59] <crutchy> we've already been abducted
[00:11:09] <Deucalion> happy probing!
[00:11:16] * crutchy lubes up
[00:11:20] <Deucalion> ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[00:11:33] <cmn32480|away> Happy New Year Deucalion!
[00:11:38] cmn32480|away is now known as cmn32480
[00:13:17] <crutchy> chromas, 2016 is fun. lube yourself in advance for easier probing
[00:13:54] * cmn32480 farts... and see dust come out
[00:14:05] * cmn32480 buys stock in lube
[00:14:09] <chromas> Oh, I think I want it to make it a challenge
[00:14:42] <crutchy> real men take their alien anal probing without lube!
[00:15:19] <crutchy> ~weather
[00:15:20] <exec> 07Traralgon VIC - currently 29°C, cloudy, wind W at 19 km/h, humidity 33% - Friday scattered showers (16°C:34°C), Saturday showers (14°C:22°C), Sunday showers (14°C:20°C), Monday showers (13°C:21°C)
[00:15:37] <cmn32480> ~time
[00:15:39] <exec> Thursday, 31 December 2015 @ 7:15 pm EST - Baltimore, MD, USA
[00:15:43] <crutchy> ooh forecast has dropped a couple of degrees :)
[00:15:44] <cmn32480> tick tock
[00:15:57] <cmn32480> only hot like fire instead of hot like hell?
[00:16:08] <cmn32480> ~weather
[00:16:09] <exec> 10Baltimore, MD, USA - currently 47°F / 8°C, cloudy, wind NW at 4 mph, humidity 64% - Thursday mostly cloudy (37°F:54°F / 3°C:12°C), Friday partly cloudy (32°F:46°F / 0°C:8°C), Saturday sunny (31°F:44°F / -1°C:7°C), Sunday sunny (31°F:48°F / -1°C:9°C)
[00:16:11] <crutchy> nah mid 30's aren't so bad
[00:16:26] <Deucalion> Happy New Year cmn32480 !
[00:16:32] <crutchy> might even crank up the desktop to do some development
[00:16:40] <cmn32480> WHOA
[00:16:58] <cmn32480> there is a New Years Resolution that'll last about 8 seconds
[00:17:07] <chromas> development?
[00:17:18] <crutchy> yesterday was mostly restricted to living room with the air con
[00:17:36] * chromas resolves to develop for 8 seconds
[00:17:50] <crutchy> 40+ is a bit high for stufffy dining room with heaps of pyewta shhit making it worse
[00:18:47] <chromas> Put the pyewta outside and tunnel in from another pyewta
[00:18:49] <crutchy> hmm. good point i don't really develop stuff. i mostly make up code and hope it works :p
[00:19:04] <Deucalion> yay for stupidly wealthy neighbours \o/ ... I think I just witnessed ~£10K of fireworks go up in under 5 minutes a few doors down.... some seriously impressive booms going on. Could have invited me :/
[00:19:15] <crutchy> erm. don't think pyewta would last long outside, even today
[00:19:59] <crutchy> Deucalion, i hate to think how much taxpayer monies got spent on sydney and melbourne fireworks last night
[00:20:04] <chromas> Rig it into an airtight case with exposed metal fins and toss it in the nearest water
[00:20:12] <crutchy> was a good show, but we'll be paying for it
[00:20:33] <Deucalion> crutchy, run a custom liquid cooling set up with the radiator in the freezer :D Sure to be able to run crysis!
[00:20:56] <Deucalion> same with London
[00:21:09] <crutchy> during summer i wish i had a case with more than one fan :/
[00:21:41] <Deucalion> still rather they spend it on something that makes people go "ooooh" and "aaaah" than spunk it away greasing corporate palms with failed projects :D
[00:21:52] <crutchy> hah so true
[00:22:07] <Deucalion> I have a spare fan... shall I post it to you?
[00:22:10] <Deucalion> :D
[00:22:35] <crutchy> if i wasn't such a stingy bastard i'd just buy a couple
[00:22:57] <crutchy> though i got my $130 keyboard for xmas so that's not really stingy :p
[00:23:12] <crutchy> maybe next year
[00:23:32] * crutchy relocates to dining room. biab
[00:24:16] <Deucalion> Case fans are cheap... I like those sharkoon golf ball dimpled ones... they really are much quieter and reasonably priced.
[00:25:17] <cmn32480> generic case fans still run what <$10?
[00:27:41] <Deucalion> Aha - I had to goggle a bit to recall the name... Sharkoon Silent Eagle... cheap as chips and they are indeed quieter than standard fans.
[00:29:12] <cmn32480> If I say $5 footlong... how many people sing the jingle?
[00:29:35] <Deucalion> Wow - must be a long time since I bought a fan - reviews all seem to be around 2006 :/
[00:29:58] <Deucalion> not me cmn32480 - sounds like a Subway thing but don't know the jingle
[00:30:25] * chromas puts a tv in Deucalion's house and sets it to murkin tv
[00:30:39] * Deucalion immediately commits suicide
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[00:37:22] <cmn32480> new poll: catchiest jingle
[00:37:26] <cmn32480> need ideas
[00:39:03] <crutchy> aeroplane jelly
[00:39:06] <crutchy> vegemite
[00:39:16] <crutchy> (the old vegemite jingle)
[00:39:28] <chromas> He went to Jared for a five-dollar footlong dong
[00:39:43] <chromas> Hot Cosby and the Puddin' Pops
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[00:40:14] <chromas> Maybe the kids stopped by the puter just as I wrote that
[00:40:58] <crutchy> moved to big pyewta
[00:41:29] <chromas> I figured it was an emergency ctrl-q/alt-f4
[00:41:35] <Deucalion> chromas has a Cray?
[00:41:36] <crutchy> lol
[00:42:03] <Deucalion> hmm crutchy has a Cray even!?
[00:42:12] <chromas> that sounds like a pretty catchy jingle
[00:42:46] <crutchy> it's been called a few things, but i never had it called a cray before
[00:43:10] <chromas> tama is cray cray in the vajayjay
[00:43:33] <crutchy> ♪
[00:43:41] <chromas> cmn32480: ooh, how about Head-On apply directly to the forehead?
[00:44:00] <chromas> it's not really a jingle though
[00:44:06] <chromas> #youtube head-on
[00:44:07] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[00:44:15] <chromas> nope
[00:45:04] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[00:45:05] <problematic> ^ 03HEADON! Apply directly to the forehead! - YouTube
[00:46:25] <cmn32480> Iwa sthink ing like $5 footlong
[00:46:39] <chromas> >:)
[00:49:58] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[00:49:58] <problematic> ^ 03The Top 10 Worst Infomercials - YouTube
[00:51:46] <Deucalion> Surely we just need EF up in here to talk about how best to powder the foot long for storage in a shoe box under the bed to "delight" your conquests with?! I mean what classy lady wouldn't be enamoured of a dusty foot long stored under the bed that has been who knows where? And they say romance is dead!
[00:54:57] <Runaway1956> Don't believe every list of "best science fiction movies" that you see. I downloaded "Silent Running" from 1972. There's a REASON that I never heard of it.
[00:56:55] <Deucalion> the name rings a bell. Was it truely crap or are you just seeing it through a 2015/16 lens and it is in fact good but "of its time".?
[00:57:43] <Runaway1956> Well - it's kinda post-apocalyptic - the earth is paved over, there's no room for forests, so they put all the forests into domes on space ships.
[00:58:02] <Runaway1956> Fianlly, they decide they can't afford the domes, so they jettison and nuke them.
[00:58:18] <Runaway1956> One guy rebels, and keeps a dome, and the ship it is on.
[00:58:36] <Runaway1956> corny, stupid, they physics suck, the acting is dumb
[00:58:52] <Runaway1956> And, I think I'd have seen it much the same back in high school
[01:00:45] <Deucalion> The whole land mass on earth is paved so we put trees in space domes....? You're right... that's a shit premise. Did you watch all of it?
[01:01:34] <Runaway1956> I'm ashamed to admit that I sat through it - I should have clicked the "close" button around the five minute mark, certainly by fifteen minutes.
[01:01:52] <Runaway1956> Sometimes, though, you just hope that things get better, so you keep on watching.
[01:02:13] <Deucalion> Optimism is a worthy trait :)
[01:02:21] <Runaway1956> LOL
[01:02:33] <Deucalion> If you like feeling let down.... :D
[01:02:56] <Deucalion> Pessimism is just fucking miserable all the time. Take your pick - no winners here :D
[01:03:31] <Runaway1956> I'm a pessimistic optimist - I expect the world to feed me shit, so I try to find the best bread with which to make a better shit sandwich.
[01:07:54] <crutchy> Runaway1956, hah me too :D
[01:08:18] <crutchy> then when something good happens on odd occasions, it comes as a pleasant surprise
[01:09:21] <Deucalion> Where does cynicism fall into this? Probably somewhere in with the pessimists right??
[01:14:11] <crutchy> Deucalion, dunno. i'm definitely a cynic though
[01:14:32] <crutchy> i wouldn't consider myself paranoid though
[01:15:02] <crutchy> i don't buy into a lot of them conspiracy theories. i'm as cynical of them as official stories
[01:15:34] <cmn32480> paranoia only makes good sense when everybody is out to get you
[01:15:50] <cmn32480> sorry.. got distracted palying video games with my 3 year old
[01:16:04] <cmn32480> She is Darth Vader, I'm Yoda... and we were fighting
[01:16:05] <crutchy> that damn family shit just keeps getting in the way eh?
[01:16:09] <crutchy> oh lol
[01:16:10] <cmn32480> pretty much
[01:16:25] <crutchy> you know she's gunna beat your ass eventually right?
[01:16:32] <cmn32480> uh huh
[01:16:41] <cmn32480> but if I stay one lesson ahead...
[01:16:53] <Deucalion> /me plays Motorhead - Ace Of Spades album... wishing Lemmy a happy new year wherever he now finds himself. Seems fitting to play this on my early 90's amp with a volume dial that goes upto 40 :D Piss off the neighbours.... heh it's new year and I can... Love You Like A Reptile!!!
[01:17:00] * Deucalion plays Motorhead - Ace Of Spades album... wishing Lemmy a happy new year wherever he now finds himself. Seems fitting to play this on my early 90's amp with a volume dial that goes upto 40 :D Piss off the neighbours.... heh it's new year and I can... Love You Like A Reptile!!!
[01:17:25] <cmn32480> i let her win occassionally to keep her interested
[01:17:26] <crutchy> my volume goes up to -12
[01:17:34] <crutchy> stupid upside down volume controls
[01:17:34] <Deucalion> dB?
[01:17:47] <crutchy> heh yeah i think so
[01:17:52] <cmn32480> mine goes to "SSSHHHHHHHHH!!! ARE YOU TRYING TO WAKE THE KIDS??????"
[01:17:58] <crutchy> lol
[01:18:08] <crutchy> mine doesn't even work when the missus/kids are home
[01:18:52] <cmn32480> apparently mine shoudln't either
[01:19:17] <crutchy> bah. fukkin merge conflicts
[01:19:31] <cmn32480> but now that we have the entertainment center in the family room... I wonder if the next time she isn't here I shoudl bring it up and get it all plugged in and working... then tell her I won't put it back in the basement
[01:19:54] <cmn32480> and be blacklisted form all bedroom activities until I cave...
[01:19:57] <cmn32480> not workth it
[01:20:27] <Deucalion> My amp makes me laugh looking at it now.... it is of its time for sure... massive Volume knob... but meh early 90s Japanese amps... they don't die. Odd how the caps on this thing are still healthy 25 years on yet caps on modern boards spew their insides within a couple of years :/
[01:20:46] <cmn32480> mine is same vintage
[01:21:02] <cmn32480> Harmon Kardon made good stuff.
[01:21:12] <cmn32480> compelte wiht the gigantic volume knob
[01:21:38] <crutchy> mine's a sony receiver. its still got a big knob
[01:21:41] <cmn32480> 5 disc CD changer
[01:21:50] <crutchy> even though the knob is purely digital
[01:22:02] <cmn32480> right
[01:22:06] <cmn32480> mine too
[01:22:12] <cmn32480> but it was the look of the early 90's
[01:22:23] <Deucalion> Only issue I get is oxidation on the pots causing crackling... sorted with some careful dismantling and hitting the back of the pots with cleaner / lube spray.
[01:22:29] <cmn32480> that receiverr got me through high school and college
[01:22:56] <cmn32480> and is one of the last vestiges of premarried life
[01:23:12] * cmn32480 giggles... you said lube
[01:24:20] <cmn32480> P666 stocked the sub queue
[01:24:29] <cmn32480> excelletn
[01:24:31] <Deucalion> I should post a picture of the board in this amp... it looks like it was assembled by hand by drunk elves... long legged caps bent all over the place.... blobby solder... but eh.. I can't be harsh, it still fuckin works after all this time :D
[01:24:56] <cmn32480> ANYTHING still working after 20 years is a good piece
[01:25:57] <cmn32480> i have very little that still runs after 20 years
[01:26:29] <cmn32480> just replaced a 25 year old HVAC system at my townhouse
[01:28:06] <Deucalion> My Wharfedale 505.2 speakers are still kicking out the tunes (attached to the amp above). I never was an audiophile and I am sure none of the stuff I have is "good" in any way. But heh, I'm in my 40s, my hearing is fucked from too many loud metal concerts in my stupid years. Sounds good to me right now.
[01:28:46] <Deucalion> Ha - my car hits 20 y/old this year. Still plodding on despite the bastards trying to kill it with road salt every winter!.
[01:29:39] <cmn32480> how many miles on it?
[01:29:48] <cmn32480> er... kilmeters
[01:30:01] <cmn32480> s/kilmeters/kilometers
[01:30:01] * sedctl tosses a / to cmn32480
[01:30:07] <cmn32480> s/kilmeters/kilometers/
[01:30:07] <sedctl> <cmn32480> er... kilometers
[01:30:12] <Deucalion> ~75K miles. It had a very low mileage first 10 years.
[01:30:20] <cmn32480> I'll say
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[01:30:28] <Deucalion> Mechanically it is entirely sound. The rust will kill it.
[01:30:54] <cmn32480> my car will be 10 years old this coming august... has 170K miles on it
[01:31:12] <chromas> sedctl: s/(e)(r)/\2\1/
[01:31:12] <sedctl> <chromas> <sedctl> <cmn32480> re... kilometers
[01:31:18] <paulej72> They are rally tough on rust during a mot
[01:31:22] <Deucalion> Simple Golf Mk 3... single point fuel injection etc.
[01:31:23] <chromas> :(
[01:31:53] <cmn32480> Chromas: FAIL!
[01:31:59] <cmn32480> what were you trying to make me say?
[01:32:10] <paulej72> 10.5 years 12800 miles
[01:32:10] <chromas> kilometres
[01:32:38] <cmn32480> you missing a zero paulej72?
[01:32:39] <Deucalion> paulej72, indeed, if it gets even near a structural part of the unibody it is a fail. I have been proactively cutting out floorpans and welding new to stop the underbody spread, but it is going to creep into the inner wings no matter what.
[01:32:53] <paulej72> Yes
[01:33:56] <cmn32480> oh good. I was think ing old lady going to church adn the grocery store
[01:34:00] <paulej72> The US mostly don't care about rust because if they did 75% would fail
[01:34:20] <cmn32480> you want no rust? Get a DeLorean
[01:35:31] <cmn32480> all stainless
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[01:36:09] <paulej72> And plastic
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[01:36:15] <cmn32480> yes
[01:36:21] <cmn32480> but that Mr. Fusion kicks ass
[01:36:23] <paulej72> Is the engine iron?
[01:36:37] <cmn32480> aluminum probbly
[01:37:43] <paulej72> Probably a steel water pump just so something will fail
[01:40:26] <Deucalion> Problem with rust on a unibody chassis is the effect it has come an impact... rusty unibody will just fold, those crumple zones will be worth nought. I made good friends with my MOT inspector and he flags everything at paranoid level for me so I can attend to it before it is too late. Some rusty wing (fender US) I can live with for a time, but rust eating up toward the chassis, that gets cut out and replaced with new metal. Very different game
[01:40:26] <Deucalion> to when cars were simply a rolling chassis with a superficial body bolted on.
[01:41:24] <cmn32480> my forst car had a real frame
[01:41:38] <cmn32480> made of good American steel...
[01:42:02] <paulej72> Thin and rusty
[01:42:16] <cmn32480> took the figherfighter trainees 30 minutes to pop the doors with the jaws of life
[01:42:49] <cmn32480> it was a 1983 Oldsmobile Cutlass Cruise Wagon
[01:43:03] <cmn32480> just before the went to unibody
[01:44:11] <Deucalion> Of course the result is I can never sell the car as every single MOT inspection has a fan fold 5 or 6 pages of "warnings"... things like "very slight play in offside front top suspension mount"... not a fail, just an advisory. I ask him to be pedantic on the inspection, he is, we go for a beer.... I fix up the worst things.
[01:44:59] <cmn32480> MOT is ?
[01:45:01] <Deucalion> Some people hyper-mile cars... I quite like the idea of hyper-yearing a car :D
[01:45:38] <Deucalion> cmn32480, Ministry of Transport... don't think it is actually called that now
[01:45:51] <Deucalion> It is an annual inspection of the car
[01:46:04] <cmn32480> gotcha
[01:46:07] <cmn32480> thanks
[01:46:10] <Deucalion> np
[01:46:24] <cmn32480> we have them, but it depends on the state how detailed the inspection is
[01:46:36] <cmn32480> many states have gone to only inspecting emissions
[01:46:49] <cmn32480> unless you are bringing in the car from out of state
[01:47:01] <paulej72> Think of the toughest us inspection and multiply by 100 to get a British mot inspection
[01:47:18] <cmn32480> then they check every nook and cranny, so they can bill you for the repairs
[01:47:27] <cmn32480> sounds like htat is the case
[01:47:44] <cmn32480> some states here have gotten rid of inspections al together
[01:47:50] <cmn32480> I think Mississippi is one
[01:48:02] <Deucalion> UK MOT is rigorous - everything mechanical is poured over. Not as rigorous as the German test of the same type though.
[01:48:33] <Deucalion> cmn32480, I use an MOT inspection place that only does MOT tests - they have no interest in drumming up repairs.
[01:48:36] <cmn32480> vell... zee Chermans are very a fery thorough people
[01:49:46] <cmn32480> in Maryland, the sate doesn't do thie inspection. they license priveate repair shops to do them.... not too big a conflict of interest
[01:49:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Five Key Findings From 15 Years of the International Space Station - http://sylnt.us - is-dark-matter-like-dark-energon
[01:50:32] <paulej72> NJ only has emissions
[01:50:41] <cmn32480> when did they do that?
[01:50:49] <paulej72> Every other year
[01:50:50] <cmn32480> musta been after I left
[01:51:03] <cmn32480> they used to have full on inspections
[01:51:14] <paulej72> About 5 or 6 years ago
[01:51:23] <cmn32480> LONG after I left
[01:51:51] <paulej72> No it was more like 11
[01:51:56] <cmn32480> we only do emissions here as well, unless you bring the car in from out of state
[01:52:08] <paulej72> Forgot it changed about when I got my car
[01:52:09] <cmn32480> still long after I left
[01:52:17] <cmn32480> I moved out in 1998
[01:52:42] <cmn32480> moved to Delaware for about 6 years (college), then Maaryland
[01:53:10] <cmn32480> and yes, I took 5 1/2 yeasr to get my bachelors
[01:53:16] <cmn32480> but I had a good time!
[01:54:01] <paulej72> New cars no inspection for 5 years
[01:56:11] <paulej72> I learned about British mot inspections from watching wheeler dealers
[01:56:17] <Deucalion> As much as I am averse to centralised regulation... lumps of 100mph+ metal we meat bags pilot I think should be subject to some kind of inspection regime. One of the few cases where I agree the greater good > muh freedoms to drive a rusty shell with no brakes.
[01:57:32] <Deucalion> HA - wheeler dealers... Ed China seems to know his stuff... but he appears to have his workshop out in some idyllic country estate with all new tools... very suspect.
[01:58:26] <paulej72> And all the bolts come loose with a little rust penetrant
[01:58:29] <Deucalion> New cars here - MOT is only necessary after 3 years
[01:59:50] <Gravis> huh... i'm surprised someone modded this troll: https://soylentnews.org
[01:59:51] <problematic> ^ 03SN comment by [02Gravis (4596)] (02Score:2, Funny)
[01:59:52] <Deucalion> HA - squirt, ooh look it comes right off. Yeh right.... in reality... let me break out the oxy-acetylene torch for 10 minutes and the 6ft breaker bar, this buggers been here for 20 years.
[02:00:37] <paulej72> He did show the torch method once on the show
[02:01:01] <cmn32480> we all know that every bolt is loosened before they attempt to film it
[02:01:22] <Deucalion> Gravis, don't sweat the Troll mod...
[02:01:31] <cmn32480> otherwise it'd be an hour of them taking out 2 bolts
[02:01:42] <Gravis> Deucalion: but my moto is to sweat all the small stuff!
[02:02:12] <paulej72> At my grandpa's truck garage we used torches to free bolts all the time. Skipped the penetrant as it never seemed to work
[02:02:13] <cmn32480> that comment is kinda trollish Gravis
[02:02:32] <Gravis> cmn32480: no way, it's totally a joke
[02:02:41] <cmn32480> depends how you read it
[02:02:58] <cmn32480> I understand your sense of humor...
[02:03:32] <Gravis> cmn32480: explain it to me like i'm 30. ;)
[02:03:33] <Deucalion> paulej72, must have missed that. Heat works best when trying to break cold alloy seized bolts. Say steel bolts into aluminium threads. Turn that bolt... the thread is toast... warm the aluminium to expand it and the bolt jut winds out.
[02:03:54] <cmn32480> and I think it might just be ignorant... somebody that doesn't know you... total troll mod, becasue there isn't a -1 Asshole mod
[02:05:10] <Gravis> cmn32480: nah, i think... i think i'm being hunted... for sport... on the internets. <_<;
[02:05:19] <cmn32480> I saw it in the thread, and read it as you intended
[02:05:21] <Gravis> cmn32480: game on!
[02:05:36] <cmn32480> hunted for sport on the internets....
[02:05:39] <cmn32480> hmmmm...
[02:05:55] <cmn32480> is that kinda like remote deer hunting?
[02:06:27] <Gravis> cmn32480: you thought you had me figured out. prepare yourself hunter because the hunter has just because the hunted! \o/
[02:06:28] <Gravis> :P
[02:06:42] <cmn32480> ok.
[02:06:56] <cmn32480> seeing as it wasn't me that modded the comment.
[02:07:19] <cmn32480> I'll go with "whatever lets you sleep at ngiht"
[02:07:19] <Gravis> you dont fool me! (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
[02:07:56] <Deucalion> paulej72, penetrant fluid works just fine if you have ~a lot of time~ as in you can soak a seized bolt for 5 days straight.... that is not going to work in a professional mechanic workplace - time is money.... torch it off and re-tap the tread or helicoil it if necessary. This is especially true if maintaining any kind of commercial vehicles - HGVs, courier's bikes... all they care about is getting back on the road... just get it done.. so some
[02:07:56] <Deucalion> times the most mechanically sympathetic approach is discarded as too time consuming. Different when doing TLC to your own stuff.
[02:09:36] <cmn32480> my kids just found a ray gun in Disney Infinity
[02:09:56] <cmn32480> I found myself thinking "Thank God it isn't a Tommy Gunn"
[02:10:34] <cmn32480> y'all have ruined me
[02:18:50] <paulej72> It needs a bfg
[02:19:26] <cmn32480> according to EF it IS a bfg
[02:19:54] <cmn32480> damn I wish the kids woudl go to bed... Dad wants to play Fallout
[02:20:44] <Gravis> paulej72: i'm a bit busy saving the universe with it. http://static.tvtropes.org
[02:22:04] <cmn32480> lol... nice Gravis
[02:22:04] <crutchy> big fukkin gay?
[02:22:20] <crutchy> cmn32480, lol
[02:23:30] * crutchy should play some civ5 since his desktop seems to be fried for the day :(
[02:24:01] <cmn32480> i mean I know Santa brought it for them... but if it was only for them, he wouldna brought games for me, would he?
[02:24:36] * Deucalion stumbles around... manages to pour absinthe for everyone and juggles sugar cubes on spoons... I seem to remember something about sugar cubes and absinthe... it all got a little hazy when my legs collapsed and I dreamt of fire demons....
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[02:26:58] <paulej72> Drip cold water onto the sugar cubes and int the absinthe
[02:28:02] <paulej72> It should could up and properly suspend the flavor compounds
[02:30:49] <Deucalion> Been a long time since I had absinthe, the striking memory is we were doing it in rounds in a a pub and everything was fine until you stood up...... people were going from perfectly lucid while sat to dysfunctional legs on trying to stand in an instant then wandering off and jumping into rivers. Odd stuff.
[02:31:21] <crutchy> might shut down this vm too since my lappy power supply is damn hot
[02:31:48] * Deucalion gifts crutchy an ice pack
[02:32:25] * cmn32480 hands crutchy a fan
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[02:36:45] * Deucalion goes to "Install" XCOM: Enemy Unknown via Steam... presented with a postage stamp sized window to agree with a bajillion pages of T&Cs.... fuck you "Agree" - good luck proving fair presentation of terms of contract in court should it come to it. :D
[02:54:47] * Deucalion rages off to bed.. :D 2016 RAWR!! Another calender, another year older. nothing changed.......
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[03:15:30] <crutchy> sleep well Deucalion. i'll try not to stink up new years day too much for ya :p
[03:17:09] <cmn32480> that'd be some doing from halfway 'round the world
[03:37:36] * SirFinkus is happy because he made $160 today suckering people into joining his credit union
[03:38:07] <SirFinkus> like 20 minutes of work, it was great
[03:38:35] <SirFinkus> that's like attorney level $ per hour
[03:38:45] <cmn32480> congratulations on finding your job so fulfilling
[03:39:09] <cmn32480> ~weather kennet square
[03:39:11] <exec> 10Kennett Square, PA, USA - currently 40°F / 4°C, partly cloudy, wind NW at 7 mph, humidity 69% - Thursday partly cloudy (33°F:48°F / 1°C:9°C), Friday mostly sunny (28°F:42°F / -2°C:6°C), Saturday sunny (27°F:40°F / -3°C:4°C), Sunday sunny (27°F:45°F / -3°C:7°C)
[03:40:19] <crutchy> ~weather
[03:40:20] <exec> 07Traralgon VIC - currently 33°C, cloudy, wind SW at 23 km/h, humidity 30% - Friday scattered thunderstorms (16°C:33°C), Saturday scattered thunderstorms (14°C:22°C), Sunday rain (14°C:20°C), Monday showers (13°C:21°C)
[03:40:28] <SirFinkus> ~weather
[03:40:30] <exec> 10Olympia, WA, USA - currently 27°F / -3°C, clear, wind N at 0 mph, humidity 87% - Thursday clear (24°F:38°F / -4°C:3°C), Friday sunny (24°F:40°F / -4°C:4°C), Saturday sunny (26°F:38°F / -3°C:3°C), Sunday mostly sunny (30°F:38°F / -1°C:3°C)
[03:40:48] <crutchy> bah. stupid temperature prolly wont go down till late tonight :/
[03:41:47] <cmn32480> that's usually how it happes
[03:51:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Microsoft Patents a Slider, Earning EFF's "Stupid Patent of the Month" Award - http://sylnt.us - does-the-slider-have-rounded-corners?
[04:05:33] <crutchy> the USPTO should get the 'stupid department of the century award' and microsoft should get the 'smartest business of the century' award :/
[04:06:27] <crutchy> microsoft is by no means the stupid party in this
[04:06:51] <cmn32480> no. that honor belongs solely to the USPTO
[04:07:38] <crutchy> fiik how they can get away with issuing patents like that :|
[04:08:26] <crutchy> esp when chinese companies won't give a fuck anyway
[04:08:33] <SirFinkus> I don't think they actually are involved in checking if a patent is stupid or prior art, that's a legal thing
[04:08:39] <SirFinkus> gets decided in court
[04:09:10] <fliptop> litigate stupid
[04:09:16] <crutchy> but they issue it. surely there is some kinda onus to check?
[04:09:26] <SirFinkus> not really
[04:09:38] <SirFinkus> it makes sense to me, the legal system is the thing that's broken
[04:09:39] <cmn32480> they do rudimentary research
[04:09:41] <crutchy> they're basically forcing restraint of trade
[04:09:47] <cmn32480> and issue bloody everything
[04:10:49] <crutchy> typical example of useless government dept meddling in markets for some 'honorable cause' with totally opposite consequences
[04:11:41] <crutchy> Gravis, there ya go mate. another example of a government dept. that we would be better off without
[04:12:29] <SirFinkus> the actually rationale for patents is the opposite of what you think it is, it's designed to make all these processes and inventions public domain after a certain amount of time so whoever invented the widget doesn't have an eternal monopoly
[04:12:48] <SirFinkus> which is why patents are public information
[04:13:09] <crutchy> the intent might be noble. but the reality is still fucked up
[04:13:13] <SirFinkus> tech shit moves so fast that the system is out of date
[04:13:46] <SirFinkus> I don't think it's entirely broken, it just needs to be modified
[04:14:26] <SirFinkus> like copyright
[04:14:53] <crutchy> maybe. no doubt what modifications they could come up with would be noble too. its just the execution will always suck
[04:14:56] <SirFinkus> I'd give life of creator to individuals, maybe 20 years for corporations
[04:15:34] <SirFinkus> for copyright I mean
[04:16:43] <crutchy> they'll still manage to fuck it up
[04:17:31] <SirFinkus> gotta have copyright imo, creation is much more expensive than replication, especially these days
[04:17:39] <crutchy> true
[04:17:49] <SirFinkus> it's the lengths that are absurd
[04:17:50] <crutchy> copyright is good in its intention
[04:17:56] <crutchy> so are patents
[04:18:11] <crutchy> but it will never be like anyone imagines that it should be
[04:18:46] <SirFinkus> your solution (if I'm interpreting it correctly) is just "fuck it, we'll never get it right"
[04:18:46] <crutchy> government agencies with any leverage over markets are corruption-magnets
[04:18:55] <crutchy> SirFinkus, sad but true
[04:19:15] <SirFinkus> government is a bad solution, but I haven't heard any better ones in this case
[04:19:28] <crutchy> but people still invented shit and wrote books long before the USPTO was around to "protect" them
[04:19:59] <crutchy> the USPTO is a huge waste of money, and inhibits innovation
[04:20:22] <SirFinkus> distribution was an entirely different game back then though
[04:20:30] <crutchy> people would be much more free to create if they didn't have such a huge legal dinosaur looming over their heads
[04:20:40] <SirFinkus> if you wrote a book back in the day, you literally wrote a book, and you'd have to get a bunch of monks to copy it
[04:21:03] <SirFinkus> if you wanted it distrubuted
[04:21:06] <crutchy> the process of writing a book isn't changed by having copyright protection
[04:21:14] <crutchy> you write it, and look for a publisher
[04:21:28] <SirFinkus> true, but the financial incentives are
[04:21:35] <crutchy> not really
[04:21:42] <SirFinkus> absolutely they are
[04:21:49] <crutchy> only the fatcats get the benefits of patent and copyright protection
[04:21:57] <crutchy> everyone else is fucked by them
[04:22:25] <crutchy> the little guy becomes the property of barnes and noble or whatever
[04:22:31] <SirFinkus> without copyright protections, if you wrote a popular book, every publisher could just ctrl-c ctrl-v your book and have a cheaper copy out in a week
[04:22:46] <crutchy> true, but they can do that anyway
[04:22:50] <SirFinkus> copyright gives the little guy the only leverage he has against the corporations
[04:23:01] <crutchy> unless you have ability to fight it in court, you're no better off
[04:23:23] <SirFinkus> they do? how many publishers are putting out knock-off harry potter books?
[04:23:38] <crutchy> fiik. i don't read harry potter
[04:24:13] <crutchy> if you don't think there are bootleg copies of harry potter in circulation, you're only fooling yourself
[04:24:19] <SirFinkus> well, the answer is none in countries with strong copyright laws
[04:24:25] <crutchy> hahaha right
[04:24:36] <crutchy> like there are no pirated music or games
[04:24:46] <SirFinkus> I said "publishers"
[04:24:54] <crutchy> what is a publisher?
[04:25:15] <SirFinkus> I'd define it as someone who distributes copies of literature for profit
[04:25:35] <crutchy> ever been to a market?
[04:25:45] <SirFinkus> sure
[04:25:45] <crutchy> there are plenty of stalls that sell pirated movies
[04:26:17] <SirFinkus> and those guys get raided all the time, it's still a disincentive
[04:26:35] <SirFinkus> you don't see bootlegs in electronics stores
[04:26:38] <crutchy> but in any case, profit is relative. people distribute movies and music online for free
[04:26:49] <crutchy> the incentive is the ability to download faster
[04:26:59] <crutchy> with torrents
[04:27:21] <crutchy> even youtube profits from piracy with ad revenue
[04:27:30] <SirFinkus> true, but lets say I write some music and sign with a small local record label
[04:27:57] <SirFinkus> they put a cd out, WB rips the cd, and uses their resources for worldwide distribution
[04:28:13] <crutchy> you think the local record label will win?
[04:28:16] <SirFinkus> the small record label takes on all the risk, with none of the reward
[04:28:27] <crutchy> exactly
[04:28:29] <SirFinkus> with our current laws? absolutley
[04:28:52] <crutchy> that's what i been saying. copyright protection only protects big corps like WB
[04:28:56] <crutchy> not the little guy
[04:28:58] <SirFinkus> they wouldn't exist otherwise
[04:29:17] <SirFinkus> that's not true though, because the smaller companies simply wouldn't exist if it didn't
[04:29:48] <crutchy> there might be some niche record companies, but how many little guys compete with the big corps?
[04:30:19] <SirFinkus> without copyright laws, they'd have no chance whatsoever
[04:30:28] <crutchy> they already don't
[04:30:35] <SirFinkus> but they do
[04:30:59] <crutchy> starting a reccord company in america today would be the dumbest business decission in the history of dumb business decisions, and you wouldn't get any finance for it
[04:31:43] <SirFinkus> if you look at the big corp strategy for aquiring new technology, if some small company develops something innovative, they try and buy them out instead of just ripping off the idea
[04:31:56] <crutchy> cos its cheaper
[04:32:04] <SirFinkus> sometimes they'll just rip it off, but often they'll try to aquire the company or the rights to the tech
[04:32:06] <crutchy> big corps have to pay to go to court too
[04:32:24] <crutchy> its often cheaper just to buy a competitor than kill them in court
[04:32:26] <SirFinkus> ahh, but without copyright laws, they wouldn't have to go to court
[04:32:45] <SirFinkus> they'd just rip it off and laugh at the guys they ripped it off from
[04:33:07] <crutchy> but the little guy basically faces hostile takeover or protracted legal problems
[04:33:13] <crutchy> that's not the intent of copyright laws
[04:33:37] <SirFinkus> as I said, the problem isn't fully with copyright laws, it's more with the legal system
[04:33:54] <crutchy> but copyright laws are the tool of the legal system
[04:33:59] <crutchy> well, one of
[04:34:27] <SirFinkus> I was referring to the fact that money buys you judgements in a lot of cases
[04:34:59] <SirFinkus> it probably should be more like small claims court for copyright disputes
[04:35:20] <crutchy> sometimes it prolly is
[04:35:35] <crutchy> but in any case, without copyright laws it levels the field
[04:35:44] <crutchy> little guys lose protection, but so do big guys
[04:35:51] <crutchy> so at least its fair
[04:35:51] <SirFinkus> the high profile ones are usually massive jury trials with teams of attorneys
[04:35:55] <SirFinkus> but it isn't
[04:36:05] <SirFinkus> since the little guys are risking much more than the big ones
[04:36:05] <crutchy> why not?
[04:36:17] <crutchy> how so?
[04:36:25] <SirFinkus> I've been trying to explain that
[04:36:32] <SirFinkus> go back to the record company
[04:36:46] <SirFinkus> I have a band, and I want to record an album
[04:36:52] <crutchy> so the big corp takes the little companies music and sells it
[04:37:08] <crutchy> the little company could then take all the big record companys music and sell it too
[04:37:17] <crutchy> the big record company has much more to lose
[04:37:17] <SirFinkus> a local record company puts in $15k for studio time and equipment for me to record my album
[04:37:50] <SirFinkus> big record company swoops in and takes the recordings and uses their distro network to obliterate the small record company's network
[04:37:58] <crutchy> nonsense
[04:38:18] <SirFinkus> how?
[04:38:23] <crutchy> the little record company can swoop in and sell all the previously protected music sold only by the big company
[04:38:40] <SirFinkus> no they can't, they don't have the same distribution network as they do
[04:38:50] <crutchy> the big company loses far more protection than the little company
[04:38:51] <SirFinkus> they can't get their shit in best buy
[04:39:09] <crutchy> the only reason why the big company can sell their shit like that is because they're protected
[04:39:15] <SirFinkus> they don't have the resources for super bowl ads
[04:39:21] <crutchy> if they lose that protection, their competition skyrockets
[04:39:33] <SirFinkus> and the artist doesn't get any money from the big guys selling their shit
[04:39:43] <crutchy> they don't anyway
[04:39:54] <crutchy> they get peanuts
[04:39:56] <SirFinkus> and you're looking at the opportunity cost for artist investing their time and effort
[04:40:10] <SirFinkus> peanuts > nothing
[04:40:12] <crutchy> artists don't do art to make shitloads of money
[04:40:33] <crutchy> they do it knowing that they may make nothing
[04:40:34] <fliptop> music should work more like standup does
[04:41:06] <fliptop> guys like bill burr play 200 dates a year
[04:41:14] <SirFinkus> so now you're making assumptions about the motivations artists have
[04:41:40] <crutchy> SirFinkus, i'm just saying that the USPTO is stifling competition
[04:41:47] <crutchy> which creates monopolies like WB etc
[04:42:24] <SirFinkus> yeah, as it currently operates, but throwing the entire thing out is foolish
[04:42:38] <crutchy> only because you only look at one side of the argument
[04:43:04] <crutchy> yes WB can make it hard for little guys even without the USPTO, but lots of little guys can make it very hard for WB as well
[04:43:08] <SirFinkus> if I invent something innovative, a patent is the only protection I have from a company ripping me off and selling their own version
[04:43:20] <SirFinkus> BECAUSE of patents and copyright
[04:43:30] <crutchy> SirFinkus, your mistake is assuming you have any protection from the USPTO
[04:43:39] <crutchy> patents are only playthings of big corps
[04:43:42] <SirFinkus> well, you do
[04:43:45] <crutchy> they don't do shit for the little guy
[04:44:14] <fliptop> https://en.wikipedia.org
[04:44:15] <problematic> ^ 03Wiki: Theodore Paraskevakos
[04:44:21] <fliptop> little guy who invented caller id
[04:44:29] <fliptop> ma bell screwed him over
[04:45:32] <fliptop> a guy i've known since kindergarten worked for him and told me he never saw a dime from his patent
[04:46:10] <SirFinkus> my uncle had several patents, and was able to extract revenue from large corporations that you've heard of
[04:46:21] * SirFinkus shurgs
[04:46:29] * SirFinkus shrugs
[04:46:35] <crutchy> the aussie CSIRO has a patent in wifi tech, but the only reason why they get anything is cos they have the support of the aussie government, and even then they have had to fight legal battles for years
[04:47:33] <crutchy> SirFinkus, i guess its possible to get lucky. sometimes big corps might play nice if it serves their interests
[04:47:39] <crutchy> i wouldn't call it a general rule though
[04:49:01] <SirFinkus> if he didn't have his patents, he wouldn't have gotten a dime
[04:49:43] <crutchy> he might never have gotten a dime anyway. i doubt that would have stopped him inventing
[04:50:33] <SirFinkus> no, he had a business, he would have just kept working for a company if he couldn't make money off his shit
[04:50:50] <crutchy> maybe
[04:51:04] <SirFinkus> maybe? I fucking knew the guy
[04:51:20] <SirFinkus> that's how he made money
[04:51:30] <crutchy> and you think the USPTO is what protected him?
[04:51:41] <SirFinkus> absolutely
[04:51:44] <crutchy> lol
[04:51:48] <crutchy> oky doky
[04:51:55] <cmn32480> crutchy - I think part of it is tht his uncle lived the American dream
[04:52:04] <SirFinkus> You can dismiss it all you like, but it's true
[04:52:10] <crutchy> some do get lucky for sure
[04:52:17] <cmn32480> a little guy, invented somethign useful
[04:52:24] <SirFinkus> lucky? he worked his ass off
[04:52:26] <cmn32480> and was able to parlay that into makeing a linving
[04:52:36] <SirFinkus> and aggressively protected his patents
[04:52:45] <SirFinkus> and made a living as a result
[04:52:55] <crutchy> SirFinkus, lots of people work their asses off and get screwed. work had nothing to do with it
[04:52:56] <SirFinkus> without patents, he would have had no legal recourse
[04:53:26] <cmn32480> fact of the matter is that patents adn copyright are good things
[04:53:30] <crutchy> all it would have taken was a judge rule against him and he would have gone bust
[04:53:47] <cmn32480> jsut not in their current forever and a day timline
[04:54:01] <SirFinkus> without patents, he wouldn't have even had a chance to go in front of a judge
[04:54:12] <crutchy> he wouldn't have needed to either
[04:54:33] <crutchy> there would have been nothing stopping him from selling his inventions
[04:54:35] <SirFinkus> and it rarely came to that, companies would buy rights or buy the parts themselves from him
[04:54:54] <cmn32480> gentlemen...
[04:55:01] <cmn32480> I wish you both a Happy New Year.
[04:55:11] <crutchy> cmn32480, happy new year to you as well :D
[04:55:13] <cmn32480> I;m going to go kiss my wife and go to bed
[04:55:16] <SirFinkus> yeah, that
[04:55:19] <crutchy> ~time cmn32480
[04:55:21] <exec> Thursday, 31 December 2015 @ 11:55 pm EST - Baltimore, MD, USA
[04:55:29] <fliptop> cmn32480: 4:30!!
[04:55:33] <crutchy> ooh 5 mins to go!
[04:55:45] <cmn32480> gotta go find my old lady
[04:55:51] <cmn32480> ~gnight fellas!
[04:55:52] * exec unjustifiably tosses a coffee++ mug of milo to fellas!
[04:55:53] <fliptop> shit i'm outta shotgun shells
[04:55:56] <crutchy> do the kissy wissy thing :D
[04:56:00] * crutchy did that too
[04:56:11] <cmn32480> little luck.. I'll get more than a kiss
[04:56:12] <crutchy> ~g'night cmn32480
[04:56:13] * exec insatiably drops a DD cup of spew on cmn32480
[04:56:22] <crutchy> oh you bastard!
[04:56:41] cmn32480 is now known as cmn32480|HPYNWYR
[04:56:54] cmn32480|HPYNWYR is now known as cmn32480|HpyNwYr
[04:56:57] <cmn32480|HpyNwYr> better
[04:57:06] <cmn32480|HpyNwYr> Happy new year fliptop
[04:57:29] <fliptop> and to you sir!
[04:57:36] <fliptop> 2:25
[04:57:45] <crutchy> ~time SirFinkus
[04:57:46] <exec> Thursday, 31 December 2015 @ 8:57 pm PST - Olympia, WA, USA
[04:57:51] <crutchy> bugger
[04:57:53] <crutchy> almost there
[04:58:16] <crutchy> you guys on the west coast gotta wait nearly the longest :/
[04:58:54] <SirFinkus> I fail to get excited about new years
[04:59:00] <SirFinkus> just a date rolling over
[04:59:08] <fliptop> <1min
[04:59:16] <SirFinkus> then a month of weirdness when I have to write the year down
[04:59:16] <crutchy> me too. its a bit more of a wimmen and kiddy thing
[04:59:27] <crutchy> ~time fliptop
[04:59:28] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Friday, 1 January 2016, 4:59 am
[04:59:34] <crutchy> ~time cmn32480|HpyNwYr
[04:59:34] <SirFinkus> excuse to drink, which is the #1 cause of irc arguments
[04:59:36] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Friday, 1 January 2016, 4:59 am
[04:59:38] <fliptop> ~time wheeling wv
[04:59:40] <exec> Thursday, 31 December 2015 @ 11:59 pm EST - Wheeling, WV, USA
[04:59:40] <crutchy> ~time cmn32480
[04:59:43] <exec> Thursday, 31 December 2015 @ 11:59 pm EST - Baltimore, MD, USA
[04:59:55] <fliptop> 5sec
[05:00:00] <fliptop> hny!!
[05:00:06] <crutchy> happy new year east coast USA!!!!!
[05:00:09] <crutchy> ~time cmn32480
[05:00:11] <exec> Friday, 1 January 2016 @ 12:00 am EST - Baltimore, MD, USA
[05:01:08] <cmn32480|HpyNwYr> Happy new year!
[05:01:18] <cmn32480|HpyNwYr> now go thte f**K TO BED
[05:01:31] <crutchy> lol
[05:01:33] <SirFinkus> if you want to say fuck, say fuck
[05:01:35] <crutchy> ~time
[05:01:37] <exec> Friday, 1 January 2016 @ 4:01 pm GMT+11 - Traralgon VIC
[05:01:43] <crutchy> not even dinner time here yet :p
[05:01:47] <SirFinkus> we all know what f**K means
[05:01:59] <crutchy> it means fhunter2k
[05:02:00] <cmn32480|HpyNwYr> Happy New Year.
[05:02:12] <cmn32480|HpyNwYr> goodnight!
[05:02:16] <cmn32480|HpyNwYr> ~time cmn32480
[05:02:18] <exec> Friday, 1 January 2016 @ 12:02 am EST - Baltimore, MD, USA
[05:02:20] <SirFinkus> night cmn32480|HpyNwYr
[05:02:25] <crutchy> ~g'night cmn32480|HpyNwYr
[05:02:26] <SirFinkus> again
[05:02:30] <crutchy> :D
[05:02:31] * exec fanatically flings an assfull of bewb at cmn32480|HpyNwYr
[05:02:36] <SirFinkus> go to bed if you're going to go to bed you attention whore
[05:02:45] <crutchy> ooh that might be appropriate ;-D
[05:02:49] <SirFinkus> I swear you've said goodnight like 10x
[05:03:00] <crutchy> tell the missus you're owed an assful of bewb :p
[05:03:09] <cmn32480|HpyNwYr> I shall crutchy!
[05:03:13] <cmn32480|HpyNwYr> see you later
[05:03:20] <crutchy> night mate
[05:03:44] <fliptop> l8r all
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[05:03:58] <crutchy> hny fliptop!
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[05:08:18] <SoyGuest57239> shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[05:08:20] <SoyGuest57239> eeit
[05:08:52] <SirFinkus> ok
[05:09:20] <crutchy> fk me that host name is a bigger mouthful than my missus can take o.O
[05:09:37] <SirFinkus> but not a bigger mouthful than your mother can take
[05:09:48] <SoyGuest57239> tonight
[05:09:56] <SoyGuest57239> over 25 loads
[05:09:57] <JamesNZ> https://49.media.tumblr.com
[05:10:56] <crutchy> SoyGuest57239, mom!? what are you doing on the intertubes?
[05:13:08] <SirFinkus> bummed that the hardware store didn't have any lye
[05:13:16] <SirFinkus> I think they're on to me
[05:30:12] * SirFinkus goes back to Nekromantik
[05:30:24] <SoyGuest57239> screw 2016
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[05:33:22] <SirFinkus> have any central time folks here?
[05:46:18] <Gravis> 2016 is going to be great. just wait for the mass shootings! \o/
[05:48:04] <crutchy> i think tmb might be
[05:48:07] <crutchy> ~time TheMightyBuzzard
[05:48:09] <exec> Thursday, 31 December 2015 @ 11:48 pm CST - Humboldt, TN 38343, USA
[05:49:33] <Gravis> not to worry, like always, assholes with the same asshole arguments will prevent any chance of sane gun regulations
[05:51:40] <chromas> that would be racist
[05:53:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Microsoft to Begin Alerting Users about Suspected Government Snooping - http://sylnt.us - even-the-ones-through-the-backdoor?
[05:54:54] <Gravis> chromas: what, favoring the human race over... gun nuts?
[05:55:50] <crutchy> Gravis, i hate guns, but even i can see that in america people get shot at in places where guns are banned
[05:56:07] <crutchy> if you care about gun violence, look past the gun
[05:56:24] <chromas> Gravis: taking guns away from blac—people of color
[05:56:50] <SirFinkus> guns are awesome crutchy, I'll show you the light if you ever visit the PNW
[05:56:54] <Gravis> chromas: when has any law ever taken a gun away from anyone?
[05:57:10] <chromas> uhhh
[05:57:13] <crutchy> SirFinkus, guns scare the shit out of me, but only cos i haven't had much exposure to them
[05:57:20] <chromas> you said we should haz moar gun controlz
[05:57:39] <SirFinkus> that's naive Gravis, there have been several cases in the US where that has happened
[05:57:42] <chromas> crutchy: it's the same reason SJWs & feminists are scared of facts
[05:57:45] <Gravis> chromas: yes which is preventing people from guns, not taking them away
[05:57:49] <crutchy> lol
[05:57:56] <SirFinkus> Chicago's handgun ban for instance
[05:58:48] <crutchy> chromas, hah no doubt
[05:59:06] <Gravis> SirFinkus: so they collected guns from people?
[05:59:20] <SirFinkus> yes
[05:59:34] <crutchy> Gravis, preventing people from buying guns isn't going to stop people from being shot
[05:59:42] <crutchy> not in america anyway
[05:59:46] <crutchy> its a cultural thing
[05:59:50] <crutchy> not a gun thing
[05:59:50] <Gravis> crutchy: no but it will reduce the amount of things
[05:59:59] <Gravis> amount of shootings8
[06:00:04] <crutchy> bullshit
[06:00:11] <Gravis> crutchy: only one way to find out
[06:00:15] <SirFinkus> well, they outlawed possession of certain firearms and legally required people possessing them to turn them into the police
[06:00:23] <SirFinkus> they didn't literally go door to door
[06:00:24] <crutchy> Gravis, you've had plenty of chances to find out
[06:00:34] <crutchy> there are lots of places where guns are banned in america
[06:00:42] <crutchy> entire states
[06:00:59] <Gravis> crutchy: do tell me, which states?
[06:01:03] <SirFinkus> it was overturned eventually by the supreme court
[06:01:08] <crutchy> bad guys are bad because they don't obey laws dude
[06:01:26] <SirFinkus> no crutchy, "guns" aren't banned anywhere in the US
[06:01:28] <Gravis> crutchy: why not just give everyone grenades them?
[06:01:36] <Gravis> then*
[06:01:36] <crutchy> SirFinkus, certain guns
[06:01:54] <crutchy> automatic weapons are banned iirc
[06:02:05] <SirFinkus> kind of
[06:02:09] <SirFinkus> basically, yeah
[06:02:27] <Gravis> crutchy: so... how many automatic weapons are used in shootings?
[06:02:36] <SirFinkus> need a tax stamp, which is $200 and an extensive background check
[06:02:46] <crutchy> Gravis, dunno. but bad guys don't give a shit either way
[06:02:52] <SirFinkus> and they have to be registered before 1984 or 1982
[06:03:00] <Gravis> crutchy: really because they make them all on their own?
[06:03:14] <SirFinkus> gravis: very few, only one I can think of off the top of my head is the north hollywood shootout
[06:03:24] <chromas> A .45 is the only thing standing between your mom and a gang of violent rapists hiding in every bush
[06:03:33] <Gravis> crutchy: or because so you are so full of shit it's unbelievable
[06:03:35] <crutchy> Gravis, bad guys will use whatever they can get their hands on
[06:03:43] <crutchy> if not guns, they'll use knives
[06:03:48] <crutchy> or rocks
[06:03:56] <Gravis> crutchy: exactly
[06:04:06] <Gravis> crutchy: far less deadly
[06:04:10] <crutchy> lmao
[06:04:11] <SirFinkus> conversion from semi-auto to full auto is usually a trivial exercise
[06:05:05] <crutchy> if you ban semi-auto rifles, bad guys are just gunna use some other gun
[06:05:23] <crutchy> the problem isn't the choice of weapon, its the decision to use it in the first place
[06:05:41] <Gravis> crutchy: the point isn't to eliminate gun violence, it's reduce it
[06:05:49] * chromas notes that Australia has had zero gun-related incidents since 7998
[06:05:49] <Gravis> to reduce*
[06:06:08] <crutchy> Gravis, you might reduce mass shootings
[06:06:09] <chromas> We could also reduce them by fixing up the ghettos
[06:06:14] <crutchy> how will that solve gun violence?
[06:06:30] <crutchy> most gunshot victims don't die in mass shootings
[06:06:36] <SirFinkus> gun violence is a loaded term
[06:06:37] <Gravis> crutchy: who said anything about solving it? i'm just trying to make it so that less people die.
[06:06:45] <chromas> fewer
[06:06:47] <crutchy> Gravis, you won't solve anything
[06:06:48] <SirFinkus> the real goal is to diminish violence in general
[06:06:51] <chromas> [nazi grammar]
[06:06:59] <Gravis> chromas: fair point
[06:07:38] <crutchy> the real problem is that your nazi government policies are ruining any chance that young black men can have a fair go in life
[06:07:42] <Gravis> crutchy: then why regulate weapons at all? let anyone buy nukes, right?
[06:07:46] <crutchy> so they turn to gangs
[06:08:03] <chromas> crutchy: on the other hand, many of them also wallow in perpetual victimhood
[06:08:22] <crutchy> they do, because that's all they know
[06:08:26] <crutchy> in some cases
[06:08:31] <chromas> and turn on their friends/brothers trying to get out of it
[06:08:39] <chromas> kinda like SJWs turning on each other :D
[06:08:47] <Gravis> crutchy: a gunshot wound prevents many young black men from having any go at life, fair or not
[06:09:07] <crutchy> Gravis, you're avoiding the real issue
[06:09:14] <Gravis> crutchy: dead people
[06:09:25] <chromas> We need better educations that don't fellate the childrens with participation ribbons
[06:09:31] <crutchy> gun violence is a consequence of a larger problem
[06:09:32] <Gravis> crutchy: you can't solve everything at once. a step at a time.
[06:10:07] <crutchy> you don't solve a problem bby looking only at its consequence
[06:10:12] <Gravis> crutchy: or hey, we'll just say there is no point in having any laws at all since bad guys can ignore them!
[06:10:14] <chromas> Make a martial art be part of gradeschool PE
[06:10:20] <SirFinkus> I think the violence problem in the US has more to do with our retarded drug laws and the lack of rehabilitation of criminals
[06:10:27] <crutchy> Gravis, duh. bad guys do ignore them :/
[06:10:52] <crutchy> there are waaaaaay too many laws
[06:10:54] <SirFinkus> our justice system is awful
[06:11:00] <chromas> if you outlaw guns then the murderer will have broken two laws instead of one
[06:11:21] <Gravis> i never said anything about outlawing guns
[06:11:24] <crutchy> there are so many laws that the laws that are really important get lost
[06:11:41] <SirFinkus> if we tackled our recidivism rate, we'd make much more progress than gun control
[06:12:27] <SirFinkus> the situtation now is that ex-cons are locked out of most of the labor market and don't have the opportunity to make a legitimate living
[06:12:31] <chromas> SirFinkus: you wanna take away the jerbs of all those nice officers? why do you hate america?
[06:12:42] <crutchy> :D
[06:12:56] <crutchy> erterkajerrr
[06:13:05] <SirFinkus> it isn't really the cops either most of the time
[06:13:26] <chromas> I'm including the 'corrections' officers and such too
[06:13:26] <SirFinkus> in most cases, they're just enforcing our fucked up laws
[06:13:41] <SirFinkus> with little oversight
[06:13:51] <chromas> Soon we can all be inside a prison, either as an inmate or a guard
[06:14:00] <SirFinkus> 99% of people would abuse that power if given the chance
[06:15:02] <SirFinkus> (not an actual statistic, but enough people would abuse power to make the "moral" ones extreme outliers)
[06:15:44] * chromas passes out prison food samples. Mmm, brake pads
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[06:16:01] <Ethanol-fueled> hoes it going fellas.
[06:16:02] <Gravis> SirFinkus: so, instead of sensible laws to prevent dangerous people from getting guns, you think the more sane solution is demand to overhaul our entire society.
[06:16:06] <SirFinkus> oh shit, the voice of reason
[06:16:17] <chromas> Ethanol-fueled: INTERNET FIIIIIIIIIGHT!!
[06:16:23] <Ethanol-fueled> T-minus one hour forty-five minutes.
[06:16:31] <Ethanol-fueled> Im not here to fight.
[06:16:46] <chromas> well you came to the wrong channel, sir
[06:16:53] <SirFinkus> Gravis: of course dangerous people shouldn't get guns, but how does one determine that? I think the justice system is a better target
[06:16:57] <chromas> unless you're drinkin'
[06:17:14] <Ethanol-fueled> Fags.
[06:17:43] <chromas> Affirmative consent for gun use
[06:18:01] <Gravis> SirFinkus: alright, make your master plan and see it get ripped to shreds by corruption.
[06:18:02] <SirFinkus> since you're here EF, RIP Lemmy ;_;
[06:18:30] <Gravis> SirFinkus: an overhaul will not pass, we have to improve in small increments
[06:18:32] <SirFinkus> it works in other countries Gravis, at least better than it does here
[06:19:09] <Gravis> SirFinkus: gun bans work in other countries too but we're not doing that either.
[06:19:14] <SirFinkus> I suspect there's more political will to reform the prison system in this country than the gun laws
[06:19:39] <SirFinkus> and I believe liberal gun laws are a good thing
[06:20:05] <Gravis> SirFinkus: they are a good thing... when you aren't having mass shootings on a daily basis
[06:20:23] <Ethanol-fueled> GTFO to REDDIt.
[06:20:46] <Ethanol-fueled> ordo some dirtyhomosexual flirting like
[06:20:46] <chromas> The mass shooting is just as silly as bing drinking
[06:20:50] <chromas> binge
[06:20:59] <chromas> definition
[06:21:04] <chromas> Chromas--
[06:21:04] <Bender> karma - chromas: 143
[06:21:10] <SirFinkus> woah, bing drinking is serious business
[06:21:13] <Gravis> chromas: engrish, prease?
[06:21:16] <SirFinkus> binge even
[06:21:20] <Ethanol-fueled> it sure is.
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[06:21:28] <chromas> The mass shooting definition is just as the one for silly as binge drinking
[06:21:51] <SirFinkus> binge drinking is more fun though
[06:21:54] <chromas> Cross a threshold of 6 beers or whatever and suddenly it's a binge! oh god help!!
[06:22:23] <SirFinkus> drinking is pretty bad for you though
[06:22:27] <SirFinkus> especially that much
[06:22:31] <Gravis> chromas: mass shooting just means you are going for a body count
[06:22:42] <SirFinkus> probably causes more deaths than mass shootings
[06:23:13] <chromas> "The Congressional Research Service acknowledges that there is not a broadly accepted definition, and uses a definition of a "public mass shooting" if 4 or more people are actually killed, not including the perpetrator, echoing the FBI definition of the term "mass murder"."
[06:23:29] <Gravis> SirFinkus: it does. however, try get these fools to give up drinking or enabling drinking and you will have less luck than with guns
[06:24:16] <Gravis> chromas: yep, going for a body count.
[06:24:28] <SirFinkus> I don't think you understand how engrained firearm ownership is embedded in many parts of America
[06:24:59] <chromas> Gravis: but then it's not a mass shooting if nobody (or fewer than 4) ends up dying
[06:25:18] <chromas> #gunlivesmatter
[06:25:37] <Gravis> chromas: well you gotta have standards. ;)
[06:25:44] <chromas> No I don't
[06:25:51] <chromas> That's why I'm here
[06:25:55] <chromas> <:D
[06:25:58] <Gravis> chromas: you don't have standards?
[06:26:10] <SirFinkus> I hear he fucked crutchy's mother, clearly he doesn't have standards
[06:26:22] * SirFinkus is just stirring the pot
[06:26:44] <chromas> I used a gun, too, which makes me twice as criminal because Australia
[06:26:52] <Gravis> SirFinkus: i'm pretty sure that crutchy has his mother's body in his basement
[06:27:13] <SirFinkus> I didn't say she was still alive
[06:27:17] <chromas> Gravis: jokes on you! crutchy doesn't even have a basement!
[06:27:40] <SirFinkus> he wouldn't want to store a body in the same place where he chats in irc
[06:27:41] <Gravis> chromas: so... in the closet by the sex doll?
[06:27:59] <chromas> Yes, Tom Cruise is a sex doll
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[06:28:26] <Gravis> chromas: nah, tom cruise is out of the closet
[06:28:55] <chromas> You sure? Then who am I groping in here?
[06:29:20] <SirFinkus> they'll never ban *these* guns
[06:29:32] * SirFinkus kisses biceps
[06:29:40] <chromas> They could just ban all the ones mentioned by rappists
[06:29:42] <SirFinkus> COME AND TAKE EM'
[06:29:52] <chromas> SirFinkus: dem's da best guns
[06:30:24] <chromas> Punching > shooting
[06:30:34] <SirFinkus> my love gun is even better
[06:30:52] <chromas> Does it have a thirty-round magazine?
[06:30:58] <SirFinkus> used in mass shootings all the time
[06:31:03] <chromas> Or just the standard two?
[06:31:41] <SirFinkus> mass shooting chromas
[06:32:15] <chromas> I don't think it counts when the ammo dies in a sock
[06:32:42] <SirFinkus> http://www.newgrounds.com look at this footage
[06:32:43] <problematic> ^ 03The Ultimate Orgy
[06:32:51] <crutchy> chromas, i'm in your grope closet... and i don't have any pants on ;[D
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[06:33:13] <chromas> ^ scared 'im away :|
[06:33:21] <crutchy> fuckin still warm out
[06:33:24] <crutchy> ~weather
[06:33:25] <exec> 07Traralgon VIC - currently 33°C, mostly cloudy, wind SW at 26 km/h, humidity 22% - Friday scattered showers (16°C:34°C), Saturday showers (14°C:22°C), Sunday showers (14°C:18°C), Monday showers (13°C:22°C)
[06:34:03] <Gravis> ~weather
[06:34:04] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[06:34:06] <crutchy> my patio is back to normal
[06:34:10] <crutchy> yay
[06:34:11] <Gravis> ~weather <location>
[06:34:13] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[06:34:15] <Gravis> ~weather <location>
[06:34:16] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[06:34:17] <Gravis> ~weather <location>
[06:34:19] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[06:34:22] <Gravis> fu8cker!
[06:34:31] <crutchy> try c++ commands
[06:35:00] <chromas> song kinda sounds like Bloodhound Gang
[06:35:07] <Gravis> crutchy: right... because that's what they're called.
[06:35:38] <crutchy> try polymorphic constructors
[06:36:14] <Gravis> i hardly think templated constructors would do a think without a proper class definition
[06:36:26] <Gravis> thing*
[06:36:36] <crutchy> all it takes is virtualization of the constructor
[06:36:46] <crutchy> doesn't matter what else is in the class definition
[06:37:27] <Gravis> crutchy: virtual constructor? pff... crack baby.
[06:37:47] <crutchy> anything else isn't real oop
[06:38:24] <Gravis> anything else would be real
[06:38:50] <crutchy> virtual != abstract
[06:39:14] * chromas constructs cookies on the virtual method table
[06:39:38] <Gravis> crutchy: yeah... too bad that you are still dumb a shit because you cannot make virtual constructors
[06:39:59] <crutchy> Gravis, maybe not in c++
[06:40:04] <Gravis> crutchy: go eat some sand or something
[06:40:04] <crutchy> try using a real programming language
[06:40:17] <Gravis> crutchy: that's more your style
[06:40:29] <Gravis> crutchy: or perhaps some glue paste?
[06:40:43] * crutchy offers Gravis another half chewed crayon
[06:41:32] <Gravis> crutchy: that's about right. you are a fool with every fiber of your being. embrace your stupidity.
[06:42:01] <chromas> Crayons don't have fiber
[06:42:09] <Gravis> crutchy: perhaps you wanna talk more about how the big bad government is ruining everything.
[06:42:10] <crutchy> at least i didn't confuse virtual with abstract :p
[06:43:00] <Gravis> crutchy: or how perfect capitalism is despite the bold faced messages all around you that it's not.
[06:43:15] <crutchy> at least i know what capitalism actually is :D
[06:43:26] <Gravis> crutchy: or maybe how nobel those rich sociopaths are.
[06:43:42] <Gravis> noble*
[06:43:49] <crutchy> yeah cos you don't buy shit from them
[06:43:55] * chromas takes bake Gravis' prize
[06:44:52] <Gravis> crutchy: oh, it's fine because i don't have to thanks to all my options as a result of capitalism
[06:45:22] <crutchy> cos you're using you trusty ol' USSR/Loonix
[06:45:25] <Gravis> crutchy: your ideas a childish. you live in denial of the facts.
[06:45:38] <Gravis> are*
[06:45:50] <Gravis> crutchy: you are nothing and will become nothing.
[06:46:05] <Gravis> crutchy: when you die, the world will be a little less burdened.
[06:46:11] * crutchy hugs Gravis
[06:46:13] <crutchy> its ok dude
[06:47:50] <Gravis> crutchy: no, it's really not.
[06:48:38] <crutchy> just don't shoot me with the gun you want banned
[06:50:40] <Gravis> crutchy: oh, that would probably be the only way to prove a point to you.
[06:51:38] <Gravis> crutchy: and if not, at least you would die.
[06:52:23] <SirFinkus> we're all going to die though, so what point would that prove?
[06:52:28] <chromas> You'd have to get past the snakes and roos first
[06:53:12] <chromas> I guess it'd prove the point that Gravis would still find access to a banned gun
[06:53:33] <Gravis> chromas: oh but they aren't banned
[06:53:37] <SirFinkus> don't forget the dropbears and the stingrays
[06:53:48] <crutchy> guns are banned here, so you'd be a bad man!
[06:54:10] <crutchy> our government would have to give you... the boot!
[06:54:25] <Gravis> but who needs a gun to kill an idiot?
[06:54:42] <crutchy> idiots are surprisingly hard to kill
[06:54:55] <crutchy> they don't tend to act rationally
[06:55:18] <crutchy> so they're response to violence can be unpredictable
[06:55:22] <crutchy> *their
[06:55:37] <Gravis> not really, quite the opposite actually.
[06:56:08] * crutchy pats Gravis on the head
[06:56:19] <crutchy> there's a good idiot
[06:56:28] <SirFinkus> so you have experience committing violence against the mentally disabled?
[06:56:56] <crutchy> nah i'm speaking from personal experience, being an idiot and all that
[06:57:12] <SirFinkus> talking to Gravis
[06:57:48] <crutchy> he'll prolly chewing his keyboard
[06:58:53] <crutchy> um.. is it just me or is Gravis portraying some disturbingly psychopathic tendencies?
[06:59:25] * SirFinkus shrugs
[06:59:37] <crutchy> at least i'm half a world away
[06:59:46] <SirFinkus> internet communication encourages hyperbole
[06:59:51] <crutchy> unless he uses my vacuum cleaner to strangle me
[07:00:05] <crutchy> by having the fridge install a modem in it
[07:02:29] <Gravis> crutchy: you should know by now that you dont need to be anywhere near someone in order to tear their life apart.
[07:02:51] <crutchy> true. i'm doing a pretty good job right now :p
[07:03:25] <crutchy> are you going to sick your government stooges onto me?
[07:04:14] * crutchy should probably be nicer to poor Gravis. i think i might have hurt his feelings
[07:04:40] <crutchy> anyway, off to get some dinner
[07:04:59] <Gravis> capitalism is a funny thing because you can pay someone to do anything
[07:05:47] <crutchy> you can't use capitalism! its against your principles!
[07:05:50] <SirFinkus> you can do that generally, in any society that has currency
[07:06:00] <crutchy> go with government stooges instead. at least it would be consistent
[07:06:51] <Gravis> can't? but i have.
[07:07:25] <crutchy> oh i know you have used capitalism. many many times
[07:07:38] <crutchy> just like other socialist whackos use capitalism
[07:09:15] <Gravis> and don't tell me what's against my principles when you dont know a damn thing about me.
[07:11:03] <SirFinkus> don't say that, we all know you love C++
[07:34:35] <chromas> and .NET
[07:35:20] <chromas> mono should've been named .ORG
[07:35:50] <crutchy> cos they already had COM
[07:37:18] <chromas> oh yeah
[07:37:38] * chromas distributes festive COM objects
[08:04:47] <SirFinkus> ok, clock rolled over in PST
[08:04:52] <SirFinkus> officially new year
[08:04:58] <SirFinkus> happy etc
[08:05:19] <SirFinkus> it'll probably be worse but whatever
[08:18:25] <Gravis> 2016 is going to be great. just wait for the mass shootings! \o/
[08:18:47] <SirFinkus> well, that's pessimistic
[08:24:42] <crutchy> its also the second time he's brought that up :/
[08:24:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Why Donald Trump is the Perfect Candidate for Our Viral Age - http://sylnt.us - any-publicity-is-good-publicity
[08:25:18] <SirFinkus> fuck trump
[08:26:34] <crutchy> ~time chromas
[08:26:35] <exec> Friday, 1 January 2016 @ 12:26 am PST - Walla Walla, WA, USA
[08:26:39] <SirFinkus> really, fuck all the candidates likely to win
[08:26:54] <crutchy> happy new year west coast USA!!
[08:26:56] <SirFinkus> aww shit, chromas lives in walla walla?
[08:27:26] <crutchy> look out chromas. he's after you man!
[08:27:54] * crutchy offers chromas his footlong dong to use as a weapon
[08:28:01] <crutchy> because guns are ebil
[08:29:02] <SirFinkus> he needs to take the hanford tour, he's closer than I am
[08:29:05] <SirFinkus> shit is awesome
[08:30:18] <crutchy> ~g hanford tour
[08:30:20] <exec> [google] www.hanford.gov/publicTours
[08:36:19] <crutchy> "the site was used to produce plutonium for the bomb that brought an end to World War II"
[08:36:20] <crutchy> lol
[08:36:48] <SirFinkus> they're knocking all the plutonium plants down
[08:37:12] <SirFinkus> they'll be down for within the next year or so
[08:38:01] <crutchy> some of that history is really interesting
[08:38:53] <SirFinkus> I think the B reactor tour is open to non-citizens if you ever are in the area
[08:38:57] <SirFinkus> very interesting
[08:39:25] <SirFinkus> you can bring cameras to that one too
[08:39:53] * chromas sends SirFinkus a basket of wheat and wine
[08:40:02] <chromas> +onions
[08:40:14] <crutchy> nah i wont be able to afford to travel overseas for a few more years
[08:41:56] <SirFinkus> onions are delicious
[08:42:26] <SirFinkus> take the hanford tour if you can, they're tearing down the plutonium finishing plants soon
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[09:10:07] <Gravis> oh man. if you haven't install this extension: https://chrome.google.com
[09:10:08] <problematic> ^ 03Donald to Darth - Chrome Web Store
[09:10:27] <Gravis> then read the this page: https://soylentnews.org
[09:10:28] <problematic> ^ 03SN article: Why Donald Trump is the Perfect Candidate for Our Viral Age 04(10 comments)
[09:13:02] <crutchy> i don't use chrome much
[09:13:16] <crutchy> is that like the cloud-to-butt extension?
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[10:26:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Giant from the Deep is Spotted in Japan - http://sylnt.us - GODZILLA!!!!!!!
[10:27:23] <crutchy> it's gojeera you moron!
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[11:41:10] <Southside_puto> Que pendejos?
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[11:51:37] <Runaway1956> North Texas: houses fall down due to shoddy construction
[11:51:43] <Runaway1956> http://www.dallasnews.com
[11:51:43] <problematic> ^ 03Engineer finds examples of 'horrific' construction in tornado wreckage | Dallas Morning News
[11:52:16] <nick> i am shocked, shocked i say.
[11:52:38] <crutchy> i doubt that shoddy construction is limited to texas
[11:52:58] <Runaway1956> I submitted an article on it - this is the same kind of thing they found after the Moore Ok tornadoes
[11:52:59] <crutchy> even in australia anyone can build a house
[11:53:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:53:05] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2027
[11:53:24] <Runaway1956> how do you get Bender to do karma?
[11:53:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> !karma something
[11:53:36] <Bender> karma of something is 1
[11:53:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> something++
[11:53:44] <Bender> karma - something: 2
[11:53:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> something--
[11:53:49] <Bender> karma - something: 1
[11:54:02] <Runaway1956> !karma someone
[11:54:12] * TheMightyBuzzard eyes bender
[11:54:17] <crutchy> most houses aren't built to any standards other than a rudimentary awareness of the building code (and that's just to satisfy the local council inspector)
[11:54:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> !karma someone
[11:54:19] <Bender> karma of someone is 4
[11:54:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dunno man, maybe he just don't like you
[11:54:47] <crutchy> does need to be identified?
[11:54:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> not that i know of
[11:54:58] <Runaway1956> very rudimentary, in many cases crutchy
[11:55:10] <crutchy> Runaway1956 has an account of 'unknown' ?
[11:55:16] <crutchy> never seen that before
[11:55:31] <Runaway1956> ??
[11:55:42] <Runaway1956> I am the enigma
[11:55:52] <Runaway1956> the shadow that moves through the night
[11:55:54] <crutchy> oh. from whois you're not identified
[11:55:56] <crutchy> lol
[11:56:11] <crutchy> must have just been hexchat being a doof
[11:56:18] <Runaway1956> LOL
[11:56:34] <Runaway1956> she is like a cat in the dark, and then she is the darkness
[11:56:41] <Runaway1956> I'm Rhiannon's big brother
[11:57:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> right, well you guys is entertaining but ima go wake up the booty call chick with some more sex.
[11:57:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> right after i finish this cup of coffee
[11:57:33] <Runaway1956> You lecher!
[11:57:34] <crutchy> just don't get yer dick dirty
[11:58:25] <crutchy> and don't put them in your mouth. you dunno where they been
[11:58:43] <Runaway1956> Ewwwwwww . . . . .
[11:58:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> yer leaving out all the fun bits there, crutchy
[12:00:09] <Runaway1956> Well, none of my news feeds have any terror attack stories - just a plot in Germany
[12:09:40] <Runaway1956> ~list
[12:09:41] <exec> ~list ~list-auth ~lock ~unlock
[12:09:41] <exec> systemctl ~! ~activity ~addr ~api ~aur ~cat ~cd ~cid ~civ ~comments ~confucius ~convert ~count ~cowsay ~deb ~define ~define-add ~define-count ~define-delete ~define-sources ~devs ~eds ~exec-issue ~filter ~filth ~first ~fortune ~g ~g'day ~g'night ~gday ~get ~github-add ~github-del ~github-feed ~github-list ~gnight ~google ~header ~header-login ~help ~isup ~jisho ~last ~link ~links ~location ~log ~ls ~md ~mkdir ~moo ~nyse ~openthepodbaydoors ~part ~perl6
[12:09:41] <exec> ~php ~queue ~quickpoll ~rainbow ~random ~rd ~rehash-issue ~remind ~rmdir ~scramble ~sed ~seen ~set ~shorten ~sizeof ~staff ~submit ~suggest ~suggest-api ~suggest-exec ~suggest-rss ~tell ~time ~time-add ~time-del ~title ~trans ~translate ~translate-sl ~uid ~unset ~up ~vote ~weather ~weather-add ~weather-del ~weather-old ~weather-prefs ~welcome ~wget ~wiki ~wiki-privmsg ~youtube ~yt
[12:10:19] <Runaway1956> ~!
[12:10:21] <exec> syntax to search: ~! %search%, set: ~! %id% %content%, delete: ~! %id% -
[12:10:21] <exec> can't use pipe (|) char, %id% can't contain spaces, but %content% can, %search% is a regexp pattern
[12:10:21] <exec> will return a list of one or more %id% => %content% if %search% matches either %id% or %content%
[12:11:11] <crutchy> Runaway1956, welcome to the complexity bot :p
[12:11:24] <crutchy> its like a choose your own adventure :D
[12:11:26] <Runaway1956> LOL - bots can be fun
[12:12:07] <crutchy> if your a bit code-inclined, you can make a script for it too. doesn't really matter what language
[12:12:24] <crutchy> runs as a shell command so nothing complex
[12:13:44] <Runaway1956> ~vote list|l
[12:13:54] <crutchy> ~vote
[12:14:16] <crutchy> that one's prolly one of the more complex ones
[12:14:29] <Runaway1956> mmmm-hmmmm
[12:14:38] <crutchy> http://sylnt.us
[12:14:39] <problematic> ^ 03Wiki: IRC:exec ( http://wiki.soylentnews.org )
[12:14:52] <crutchy> typing vote will get you a pm
[12:15:04] <crutchy> typing ~vote i mean
[12:15:23] <Runaway1956> I'm on the quick start wiki page, reading along
[12:15:31] <Runaway1956> ~vote
[12:15:41] <crutchy> the rabbit hole is deep
[12:15:57] <Runaway1956> the red pilll helps
[12:16:28] <crutchy> unfortunately the docs aren't very complete, so its kinda a rtfsc thing
[12:20:28] <Runaway1956> Phoenix has another interesting article in the queue: Capsules Made from Seaweed Could Replace Insulin Injections
[12:28:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Renewable Energy Trading Launched in Germany - http://sylnt.us - take-THAT-utility-monopoly
[12:31:40] * nick sigh
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[13:10:17] <Gravis> hmm... people are still pissed about systemd. good. ;)
[13:30:57] <crutchy> they are?
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[13:58:20] <SoyCow9955> hey all...not able to connect to irc.soylentnews.org (with a non-web client)...is that server active?
[14:03:15] <Runaway1956> try this SoyCow9955 irc.sylnt.us
[14:04:00] * Runaway1956 pours some coffee
[14:11:25] <Runaway1956> !uid
[14:11:25] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6012, owned by fergwill
[14:11:43] <Runaway1956> !todo stuff
[14:11:43] <Bender> todo item 1 added
[14:11:53] <Runaway1956> !karma
[14:11:53] <Bender> karma <item>
[14:12:05] <Runaway1956> !karma Runaway1956
[14:12:05] <Bender> runaway1956 doesn't have karma yet.
[14:12:21] <Runaway1956> !karma Bender
[14:12:21] <Bender> karma of bender is 4
[14:12:53] <Runaway1956> !karma Runaway1956
[14:12:53] <Bender> runaway1956 doesn't have karma yet.
[14:13:02] <Runaway1956> Bender doesn't like me
[14:13:30] <Runaway1956> !bend bender
[14:14:28] <nick> Bender plays favourites
[14:15:25] <Runaway1956> Browsing the source code, I did see a favorites list
[14:16:24] <Runaway1956> HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 4.2.5-1-ARCH x86_64 ** Distro: ArchLinux ** CPU: 12 x Six-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 2425 HE (AuthenticAMD) @ 800MHz ** RAM: Physical: 17.7GiB, 84.2% free ** Disk: Total: 1.6TiB, 70.8% free ** VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Radeon ES1000 ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia1: USB-Audio - USB Device 0x47f:0xc001 ** Ethernet: None found ** Uptime: 22h 11m 20s **
[14:16:42] <nick> drink enough coffee around it, and it will learn to accept you
[14:16:57] <Runaway1956> !coffee
[14:16:59] <crutchy> coffee++
[14:16:59] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2028
[14:17:22] <Runaway1956> !coffee++
[14:17:28] <nick> now into future coffee
[14:17:43] <Runaway1956> !Runaway1956
[14:18:22] * Runaway1956 hands bender a cup of coffee
[14:18:47] <Runaway1956> !disc
[14:19:36] <Runaway1956> !icecream
[14:29:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - When Plants Go to War - http://sylnt.us - convene-an-Entmoot
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[16:31:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NSA Cheerleaders Discover Value of Privacy when Their's is Violated - http://sylnt.us - shoe-is-on-the-other-foot
[17:07:22] <cmn32480|HpyNwYr> coffee++
[17:07:22] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2029
[17:08:13] <cmn32480|HpyNwYr> well... if the rest of the year goes this well, I should be good. I slept nearly 12 hours
[17:09:51] <cmn32480|HpyNwYr> Runaway1956 - the way to add karme to an item is <item>++
[17:09:57] <cmn32480|HpyNwYr> see two lines up
[17:10:09] <cmn32480|HpyNwYr> !karma coffee
[17:10:09] <Bender> karma of coffee is 2029
[17:10:31] <cmn32480|HpyNwYr> the !karma <item> gives youteh current karma of the item
[17:10:40] <cmn32480|HpyNwYr> runaway1956++
[17:10:40] <Bender> karma - runaway1956: 1
[17:11:17] <cmn32480|HpyNwYr> and Bender doesn't really like anybody
[17:11:32] <cmn32480|HpyNwYr> ~weather
[17:11:33] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[17:11:39] <cmn32480|HpyNwYr> ~weather cmn32480
[17:11:41] <exec> 10Baltimore, MD, USA - currently 43°F / 6°C, mostly cloudy, wind W at 12 mph, humidity 55% - Friday partly cloudy (32°F:45°F / 0°C:7°C), Saturday sunny (34°F:45°F / 1°C:7°C), Sunday sunny (30°F:46°F / -1°C:8°C), Monday partly cloudy (24°F:37°F / -4°C:3°C)
[17:11:56] <cmn32480|HpyNwYr> ~weather Kennet square, PA
[17:11:58] <exec> 10Kennett Square, PA, USA - currently 41°F / 5°C, mostly cloudy, wind W at 15 mph, humidity 57% - Friday partly cloudy (28°F:42°F / -2°C:6°C), Saturday sunny (30°F:41°F / -1°C:5°C), Sunday sunny (27°F:41°F / -3°C:5°C), Monday mostly sunny (17°F:32°F / -8°C:0°C)
[17:14:22] * cmn32480 wonders what new fun things await us this year
[17:14:28] <cmn32480> raises?
[17:15:15] <nick> hopefully, then i can start putting into the pension scheme...
[17:15:37] <nick> or maybe some non-voting, non-transferable stock options
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[18:32:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Dubai's New Year's Eve Fireworks Proceed as Nearby Skyscraper Burns - http://sylnt.us - lighting-up-the-night-sky
[20:34:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Capsules Made from Seaweed Could Replace Insulin Injections - http://sylnt.us - no-more-needles
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[22:05:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Luck of the English - http://sylnt.us - god-save-the-queen
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[23:18:10] <Runaway1956> cmn32480|HpyNwYr You aren't going to have weather this year, because you didn't pay the weather bill last year.
[23:18:22] <Runaway1956> ~weather
[23:18:23] <exec> 10Dallas, TX, USA - currently 45°F / 7°C, partly cloudy, wind N at 7 mph, humidity 50% - Friday partly cloudy (33°F:46°F / 1°C:8°C), Saturday mostly cloudy (37°F:54°F / 3°C:12°C), Sunday sunny (30°F:57°F / -1°C:14°C), Monday sunny (30°F:52°F / -1°C:11°C)
[23:45:26] <nick> http://foreignpolicy.com
[23:45:27] <problematic> ^ 03This Map Shows China’s Hilarious Stereotypes of Europe | Foreign Policy
[23:45:30] <nick> some of that did make me laugh