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[00:00:12] <Gravis> assuming you follow the scheme to give certain programs their usernames and make groups of them
[00:00:22] <Gravis> their own*
[00:01:05] <Gravis> (not an uncommon practice)
[00:06:16] <Gravis> of course this is only the effective user id and effective group id, so if someone is root, they can impersonate anything.
[00:07:28] <Gravis> but it's a good way to box your daemons so they can only do the one thing you want them to do
[00:11:23] <crutchy> hmm. i found some. apparently my xchat logs are a bit all over the place
[00:11:24] <crutchy> Sep 30 08:20:29 <crutchy> socialism turns people into slaves
[00:11:24] <crutchy> Sep 30 08:20:50 <Gravis> crutchy: it distributes burden
[00:11:37] <crutchy> Sep 30 08:32:27 <Gravis> wrong. you can eliminate the need for labor
[00:11:37] <crutchy> Sep 30 08:32:39 <crutchy> oh not this again. with robots right?
[00:11:56] <crutchy> the original robot blathering must have been before i started using this vm
[00:12:35] <crutchy> ergh. looking up gravis quotes is depressing
[00:12:48] <Gravis> crutchy: did you think that "eliminate the need for labor" was a euphemism for killing people?
[00:13:06] <crutchy> Oct 16 12:32:31 <Gravis> brainacid: i can only hope the world is clensed of your kind of stupidity.
[00:13:06] <crutchy> Oct 16 12:32:44 <Gravis> cleansed*
[00:13:21] <Runaway1956> Stupid VM's - they should be smart enough to cache something we might need someday
[00:13:26] <crutchy> lol
[00:13:41] <crutchy> it might be on my desktop or on the windows part of my laptopo
[00:13:43] <crutchy> who knows
[00:14:04] <crutchy> i frankly don't care enough
[00:14:11] <Runaway1956> Holy shit man, who keeps anything on the Windows partition?
[00:14:11] <Gravis> crutchy: yes, when people see it's possible, you form of stupidity could become a thing of the past
[00:14:14] <chromas> HI, Billy Mays here for Laptop-O!!
[00:14:30] <crutchy> argue with Gravis about governments n shit for a while and you'll get a handle of his whackology
[00:14:31] <Gravis> crutchy: you quitter
[00:15:35] <Gravis> crutchy: this coming from the person who wants to do away with the EPA
[00:15:56] <Runaway1956> Speaking of euphemisms - they're calling them "lantern sharks" now
[00:16:16] <crutchy> Gravis, if i could be bothered i'd drag out my script that scrapes logs.sylnt.us, which has everything in one place, but i don't hate you and can't be bothered doing that
[00:16:29] <crutchy> you know its there
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[00:17:02] <Gravis> crutchy: no, that's why i want the quote, because i know you are full of shit
[00:17:13] <crutchy> whatever dude
[00:17:16] <Gravis> crutchy: you can't find what isn't there
[00:18:18] <crutchy> i already dragged out a few quotes in the few minutes that i could be bothered
[00:18:28] <Runaway1956> The movie starts in 20 minutes - who wants to stare into the abyss?
[00:18:44] <crutchy> the abyss is on?
[00:18:46] <Gravis> crutchy: neither of which had anything to do with genocide
[00:18:47] <crutchy> good movie
[00:19:41] <crutchy> Gravis, why don't you share with us your views on politics, money, labor and environment?
[00:19:54] <crutchy> summarize them for us, if you would be so kind :p
[00:19:55] <Gravis> i already have
[00:20:10] <Runaway1956> Last time I watched it, the abyss got scared and stopped gazing back . . .
[00:20:22] * TheMightyBuzzard makes it his goal to ensure Gravis's robots are coded in perl and run Windows 10
[00:20:45] * Runaway1956 notes that TMB is evil
[00:21:14] <crutchy> Gravis, you have told us before, but since you're so adamant that what you have said in the past is wrong, we need some clarification
[00:21:20] <Gravis> crutchy: just because you can't remember what i said, doesn't mean i have to say it all again. that's why we have logs.
[00:21:30] <crutchy> oh i remember
[00:21:40] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: perl 6!
[00:21:52] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[00:21:57] <crutchy> but your saying that what you said in the past isn't what you believe, so i'm simply asking for a clarification
[00:22:05] <crutchy> or are you unwilling to clarify?
[00:22:13] <Gravis> crutchy: you may remember but you are remembering is a delusion
[00:22:22] <Gravis> but what you*
[00:22:23] <crutchy> so you're not willing to clarify?
[00:22:37] <Gravis> it's in the logs
[00:22:40] <Gravis> read the logs
[00:22:59] <crutchy> nice copout
[00:23:19] <crutchy> now who's quitting?
[00:23:31] <Gravis> crutchy: i'm not willing to clarify for someone too lazy to look up something so basic
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[00:24:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> battle of laziness: Gravis vs crutchy. Fight!
[00:24:50] <Gravis> crutchy: try looking for "post scarcity"
[00:25:45] <Runaway1956> I believe as the Abbot of Citeaux Arnaud Amalric
[00:26:20] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, you know i'd win in a laziness fight :D
[00:26:54] <crutchy> ~weather
[00:26:55] <exec> 07Traralgon VIC - currently 31°C, partly cloudy, wind NW at 8 km/h, humidity 32% - Thursday partly cloudy (17°C:39°C), Friday partly cloudy (16°C:35°C), Saturday showers (14°C:21°C), Sunday showers (14°C:20°C)
[00:27:07] <crutchy> especially on a 30+ day
[00:27:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> now now... don't forget gravis is all about eliminating the need for work. that's some quality lazy there.
[00:27:26] <crutchy> hmm good point
[00:27:31] * crutchy takes 50 damage
[00:27:52] <Runaway1956> ~weather
[00:27:52] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[00:27:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a toss-up really. or possibly a toss-off. i can't tell.
[00:28:11] <crutchy> prolly a little from column A and a little from column B
[00:28:15] <Runaway1956> ~weather Dallas
[00:28:16] <exec> 10Dallas, TX, USA - currently 48°F / 9°C, partly cloudy, wind NE at 4 mph, humidity 66% - Wednesday partly cloudy (34°F:52°F / 1°C:11°C), Thursday mostly cloudy (36°F:53°F / 2°C:12°C), Friday cloudy (32°F:48°F / 0°C:9°C), Saturday partly cloudy (38°F:51°F / 3°C:11°C)
[00:28:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> #blackuweather dallas, tx
[00:28:29] <MrPlow> T'day: How da fuck am I know dat shit? T'marra: Dey some clouds, nutt'n fancy though. It fuck'n cold! Dey a lil breeze.
[00:28:30] <Runaway1956> so, that's how that works
[00:28:33] <crutchy> Runaway1956, ~weather-add if you wanna be lazy too :)
[00:28:41] <crutchy> or #weatheradd
[00:29:14] <Runaway1956> ~weatheradd Dallas,Tx
[00:29:24] <Runaway1956> ~weather
[00:29:24] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[00:29:30] <crutchy> ~weather-add
[00:29:30] <Runaway1956> got it
[00:29:31] <exec> syntax: ~weather-add name location (name cannot contain spaces but location can contain spaces)
[00:29:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Discover the "Ninja Lanternshark", a Bioluminescent Species Near Central America - http://sylnt.us - waiting-for-sharks-with-coherent-bioluminescence
[00:29:48] <Runaway1956> ~weather~add Dallas, Tx
[00:29:54] <Runaway1956> ~weather
[00:29:55] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[00:29:56] * TheMightyBuzzard laughs
[00:30:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> now you're just being obstinate.
[00:30:12] <Runaway1956> lol, stop laughint at me, or I'll have the abyss come to YOUR house
[00:30:12] <crutchy> ~weather-add Runaway1956 Dallas, TX
[00:30:13] <exec> name "Runaway1956" set for location "Dallas, TX"
[00:30:24] <crutchy> now try :)
[00:30:40] <Runaway1956> ~weather
[00:30:43] <exec> 10Dallas, TX, USA - currently 48°F / 9°C, partly cloudy, wind NE at 4 mph, humidity 66% - Wednesday partly cloudy (34°F:52°F / 1°C:11°C), Thursday mostly cloudy (36°F:53°F / 2°C:12°C), Friday cloudy (32°F:48°F / 0°C:9°C), Saturday partly cloudy (38°F:51°F / 3°C:11°C)
[00:30:54] <Runaway1956> Exec is your tame secretary, LOL
[00:30:56] * TheMightyBuzzard goes to check on his dinner
[00:31:00] <Runaway1956> Thank you
[00:31:42] <Runaway1956> TheMightyBuzzard is goint to be pissed when he finds that I already ate supper
[00:32:07] * Runaway1956 shows himself the way out before TMB returns
[00:33:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> right, food time. back after while.
[00:34:40] <crutchy> exec is my former tame secretary
[00:34:48] <crutchy> now it belongs to cmn32480
[00:35:05] <crutchy> hmm. actually i dunno if i would call it tame
[00:35:17] <crutchy> it kinda does whatever the hell it wants sometimes :/
[00:43:15] <juggs> ~weather juggs
[00:43:16] <exec> 10London, UK - currently 50°F / 10°C, light rain showers, wind SW at 15 mph, humidity 88% - Wednesday showers (46°F:50°F / 8°C:10°C), Thursday scattered showers (34°F:51°F / 1°C:11°C), Friday showers (45°F:47°F / 7°C:8°C), Saturday showers (43°F:52°F / 6°C:11°C)
[00:43:41] <juggs> blech - coldiness incoming :(
[00:43:51] * juggs toddles off to bed
[00:43:59] juggs is now known as Deucalion
[00:45:54] <nick> Deucalion: !!
[00:46:11] <nick> aww
[00:46:20] * nick hat tip
[00:59:09] <crutchy> ~weather
[00:59:11] <exec> 07Traralgon VIC - currently 39°C, partly cloudy, wind NW at 14 km/h, humidity 18% - Thursday partly cloudy (17°C:39°C), Friday partly cloudy (16°C:35°C), Saturday showers (14°C:21°C), Sunday showers (14°C:20°C)
[01:00:05] <crutchy> :(
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[01:04:05] * SpallsHurgenson learns that his xbox can download tv-apps and basically do everything his roku does... so why did I buy a roku again?
[01:04:57] <crutchy> because of the cool name of course
[01:05:31] <SpallsHurgenson> ah, I knew there was some reason :)
[01:06:25] <SpallsHurgenson> then again, maybe it didn't do all that stuff last time I turned it on (two, three years ago maybe?). It took forever to update the system software...
[01:08:21] <SpallsHurgenson> also, the roku is quieter, doesn't overheat and I have more than one TV :) :)
[01:08:35] <SpallsHurgenson> and I like its bouncing start-up logo :)
[01:09:17] * crutchy likes bouncing things too
[01:09:34] <crutchy> (o Y o)
[01:09:58] * SpallsHurgenson flops around for crutchy
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[01:16:38] * SpallsHurgenson wonders why crutchy is screaming and clawing at his eyes like that
[01:42:42] <SpallsHurgenson> <sigh> I think I need a new monitor; four just isn't cutting it
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[01:56:03] <Gravis> oh sweet, they sent me a new keyboard. :)
[01:56:51] * SpallsHurgenson debates blowing $350 on a new gpu... just 'cause
[01:58:18] * chromas sets a redirect to catch the gpu in the mail
[01:58:44] <Gravis> well... seal shield is #1 in my book. :)
[01:59:44] <Gravis> i'm thinking they must deal with enough hospitals that they don't delay on anything that resembles a legit warranty claim
[02:00:31] <Gravis> oh well... now i can take apart the old one and see what went wrong. :D
[02:00:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Sidecar To Wind Down on December 31st; Invokes Silicon Valley Reality Distortion Field - http://sylnt.us - fail-early-and-often
[02:01:05] <cmn32480> and I hardly call exec tame
[02:01:38] <cmn32480> heya crutchy
[02:02:01] <Gravis> still hilarious: https://www.youtube.com
[02:02:01] <problematic> ^✓ 03javascript python ruby apps - YouTube
[02:02:06] <crutchy> cmn32480, g'day o/
[02:02:14] <cmn32480> ~gday sir!
[02:02:17] * exec insatiably offers a socket of vibrating rooster sammich to sir!
[02:03:15] <crutchy> did you get to the bottom of exec's output thingy?
[02:03:20] <cmn32480> http://pastebin.com
[02:03:21] <problematic> ^ 03cmd.php - Pastebin.com
[02:03:21] <cmn32480> no
[02:03:37] <cmn32480> that was as far as I got... then the day job had to actually get done
[02:03:54] <crutchy> damn day jerbs getting in the way :p
[02:04:00] <Gravis> mod this while you still can! ;D https://soylentnews.org
[02:04:00] <problematic> ^✓ 03SN comment by [02Gravis (4596)] (02Score:3, Informative)
[02:04:20] <chromas> mod down, you say?
[02:04:41] <Gravis> chromas: if you so desire
[02:05:04] <chromas> (Score: 1, Trolling for upmods)
[02:05:06] <cmn32480> always crutchy... always
[02:05:26] <cmn32480> do we have a -1 Troll mod?
[02:05:31] <cmn32480> HEY! WE DO!
[02:05:35] <crutchy> cmn32480, was that pastebin for me?
[02:05:39] <cmn32480> it is sir
[02:05:44] <cmn32480> the one you requested
[02:05:45] <crutchy> its full of html and js
[02:06:08] <cmn32480> ah WTF??
[02:06:48] <SpallsHurgenson> hey, did you hardcode your password in that?!?
[02:07:04] <crutchy> depends, are there any ****'s?
[02:07:16] <Gravis> chromas: not trolling for upmods, i just thought it was funny that it had been modded so many times.
[02:07:26] <chromas> sure, sure…
[02:08:08] <Gravis> chromas: you can mod the parent too because it's gotten a smidge more
[02:09:45] <Gravis> chromas: trolling for upmods looks more like, "come on, guys, you know it's funny and true! https://soylentnews.org "
[02:09:46] <problematic> ^ 03SN comment by [02Gravis (4596)] (02Score:3, Insightful)
[02:09:59] <Gravis> chromas: and that would be bullshit
[02:11:38] <SpallsHurgenson> hmmm... only six stories in queue. time to pollute the channel with links in hope that somebody will ~submit them :) :)
[02:11:46] <SpallsHurgenson> http://www.dslreports.com
[02:11:47] <problematic> ^ 03T-Mobile: We're Not Throttling YouTube, We're 'Optimizing' It! | DSLReports, ISP Information
[02:11:54] <SpallsHurgenson> http://www.reuters.com
[02:11:55] <problematic> ^ 03U.S. says its Internet speeds triple in three-and-a-half years| Reuters
[02:12:02] <SpallsHurgenson> https://torrentfreak.com
[02:12:03] <problematic> ^ 03Google Asked to Remove 558 Million "Pirate" Links in 2015 - TorrentFreak
[02:12:10] <SpallsHurgenson> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[02:12:11] <problematic> ^ 03Brian Krebs criticises PayPal’s security as authentication flaws exposed • The Register
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[02:12:18] <SpallsHurgenson> http://www.upi.com
[02:12:19] <problematic> ^ 03911 dispatcher reprimanded, demoted for playing video games - UPI.com
[02:12:34] <SpallsHurgenson> http://store.steampowered.com
[02:12:34] <problematic> ^ 03News - Update on Christmas Issues
[02:29:45] <Bytram> http://go.theregister.com
[02:29:47] <problematic> ^ 03Good news! US broadband speeds are up. Bad news – they're still rubbish • The Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
[02:32:19] <SpallsHurgenson> that one can be combined with the reuters link
[02:33:25] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm fairly certain I'm the reason the average speed has increased so dramatically... I upgraded this year, and my old provider's speed were /really/ slow :-)
[02:34:38] * SpallsHurgenson was single-handedly dragging down the national average :)
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[02:47:45] <crutchy> aww fuck no you don't! http://imgur.com
[02:47:45] <problematic> ^ 03Star Wars Themed PC Case - Album on Imgur
[02:48:10] <Gravis> ahh... it's nice to be able to type {} and <> again
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[03:12:02] <jdavidb> finally got some details on Ian Murdock's run in with the police, for anyone interested:
[03:12:05] <jdavidb> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[03:12:05] <problematic> ^ 03Debian Linux founder Ian Murdock dead at 42 • The Register
[03:12:30] <jdavidb> his account said "arrested for knocking on a door," they say he was trying to break in
[03:12:35] <jdavidb> alcohol was involved
[03:13:18] <chromas> Died at 42. He found the answer
[03:16:15] <jdavidb> wow
[03:16:19] <jdavidb> hadn't made that connection yet
[03:37:18] <crutchy> what the fack?
[03:37:20] <crutchy> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[03:37:20] <problematic> ^ 03Microsoft offers Linux certification. Do not adjust your set. This is not an error • The Register
[03:38:23] <crutchy> ~weather
[03:38:25] <exec> 07Traralgon VIC - currently 38°C, partly cloudy, wind W at 23 km/h, humidity 11% - Thursday partly cloudy (17°C:39°C), Friday partly cloudy (16°C:35°C), Saturday showers (14°C:21°C), Sunday showers (14°C:20°C)
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[03:53:02] <SpallsHurgenson> wjy would somebody make a Star Wars case based on a spaceship from the prequels?!?
[03:54:18] <crutchy> maybe the executor was out of their budget
[03:54:39] <crutchy> though i would make one out of a death star
[03:56:03] <SpallsHurgenson> you'll need some sort of, I dunno, thermal exhaust port to vent the excess heat
[04:01:52] cmn32480|biab is now known as cmn32480
[04:02:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Yandex Worker Tried to Sell Search Engine Source Code for Just $28K - http://sylnt.us - it's-a-steal
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[04:04:20] <Runaway1956> The left is sure working overtime to make sure we know that O'bummer is making his last 'state of the union' address in two weeks
[04:04:27] <Runaway1956> I say, "Good deal"
[04:05:34] <chromas> put the thermal port at the end of a super long canyon and fill it with guns because the bad guys will go in one end and travel the whole thing instead of just coming directly at the port
[04:06:06] <chromas> which side's the 'left' again?
[04:07:05] <chromas> is the left the obamur's takin' are guns side? or the delete articles when it turns out the arsonist was a Muslim side?
[04:07:43] <cmn32480> left is the one where your thumb and first finger make an "L"
[04:08:15] <Gravis> nice: https://theintercept.com
[04:08:16] <problematic> ^ 03Spying on Congress and Israel: NSA Cheerleaders Discover Value of Privacy Only When Their Own Is Violated
[04:08:19] <chromas> oh neat. I can form an angle bracket
[04:08:49] <Runaway1956> It's the latter, chromas
[04:09:44] * chromas rushes out to the store to buy up all the ammo, complains that all the ammo's dun been bought up
[04:09:58] * chromas ; blames obama
[04:10:07] <Runaway1956> I get emails from all sorts of groupw - all the related democrat supporters keep harping on that state of the union address
[04:10:09] <crutchy> the republocrats?
[04:10:18] <Runaway1956> It's supposed to be a big deal or something
[04:10:36] <crutchy> its where he tells everyone how awesome he is
[04:10:43] <Runaway1956> Yes, crutchy, the left leaning republocrats
[04:11:02] <Runaway1956> and, yes, that too - he masturbates on television for everyone's benefit
[04:11:17] <chromas> Maybe he'll fire off a bird and announce he trolled us good
[04:11:49] <Runaway1956> Nahhhhhh - he'll set the stage for the Anointed One I think.
[04:12:08] <crutchy> she who shall not be named
[04:12:10] <Runaway1956> The Anointed One, or the Anti-Christ, whatever
[04:12:29] <crutchy> whoever is anointed will be the antichrist
[04:12:30] * chromas votes for Creationist Cat
[04:13:03] <Runaway1956> You've got the idea crutchy - and please don't use her name - names have power
[04:13:19] <Runaway1956> ocultists understood that before we had real religionss
[04:13:54] * crutchy tries to imagine what would happen if every american voter voted for an indpendent to be potus
[04:13:56] <Gravis> Runaway1956: crutchy: you two are just plain dumb. so dumb it's not even funny.
[04:14:29] <Runaway1956> Well, the fact that you don't see any humor in our exchanges only proves how serious the situation is
[04:14:51] * crutchy tries to imagine what would happen if Gravis got a clue... hmm i think the world would assplode
[04:14:58] <chromas> Runaway1956: s/s/th/*
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[04:15:12] <chromas> ~sed on
[04:15:13] <exec> sed enabled for 10#Soylent
[04:15:15] <chromas> Runaway1956: s/s/th/*
[04:15:22] <chromas> :'(
[04:15:37] <Runaway1956> We shan't name her here, but I believe her to be Cthulhu's younger sister
[04:15:40] <crutchy> you gotta do it like this chromas ;_;
[04:15:55] <Runaway1956> LMAO
[04:15:56] <chromas> crutchy: but I don't masturbate to anime
[04:16:03] <chromas> at least, not when it's not hentai
[04:16:08] <crutchy> lol
[04:16:16] <crutchy> but but but spongeboob!
[04:16:37] <chromas> oh, it's a "g" not an asterisk
[04:16:44] <chromas> I need Gravis to send me a /facepalm
[04:17:40] <crutchy> now now the poor man is brainded enough without you telling him to smake himself
[04:17:53] <chromas> Runaway1956: but doesn't hiding from the name give her more power?
[04:18:19] <crutchy> i think he's referring to godzilla
[04:18:21] <chromas> #internetptsd #triggered #privilegecheked
[04:18:21] <Gravis> all you fools do is spew vitriolic garbage. how about you come up with some detailed solutions to real problems.
[04:18:27] <cmn32480> anybody got poll suggestions?
[04:18:34] <Runaway1956> Oh no, no, no - saying the name summons her presence
[04:18:39] <crutchy> cmn32480, ooh
[04:18:47] <crutchy> Runaway1956, like APK
[04:18:49] <crutchy> oh shit!
[04:19:06] <Runaway1956> Gravis - all the best solutions are illegal
[04:19:15] <crutchy> i'm prolly better at coming up with poll answers
[04:19:23] <Runaway1956> torches and pitchforks have been outlawed by the administration
[04:19:44] * chromas steps into a freespeech zone and starts listing off solutions
[04:20:10] <Runaway1956> get outta that freespeech zone, you coward!
[04:20:31] <crutchy> chromas, they only apply if you're black
[04:20:40] <Runaway1956> Gravis - I can't even SPELL vitriolic
[04:21:26] <chromas> that's what they all say
[04:21:46] * chromas taps another keg of vitriol
[04:22:07] <chromas> we're not addicts; we can quit anytime we want
[04:22:13] <cmn32480> careful chromas... distill it right and you can make ether!
[04:22:13] <Runaway1956> When President Trump gives us back out torches and pitchforks, we'll take care of serious businsess
[04:22:22] <crutchy> ew trump
[04:22:33] <crutchy> he's in bed with she who shall not be named
[04:22:37] <Runaway1956> Esther? I knew her . . .
[04:22:41] * crutchy shudders at that thought
[04:22:54] <Runaway1956> yep, he's schlonging away at her
[04:23:15] <crutchy> if only he had a clue about economics
[04:23:27] <chromas> Esther was a prominent modern feminist
[04:23:28] <crutchy> and foreign affairs
[04:24:00] <Gravis> "<Runaway1956> Gravis - all the best solutions are illegal" <-- then you are the problem
[04:24:01] <Runaway1956> It must be getting late, this is getting silly, and Gravis is going to have an apopalectic fit
[04:24:20] <Runaway1956> No, Sir, government is the problem.
[04:24:22] <crutchy> Runaway1956, nah he's always like this
[04:24:30] <Gravis> Runaway1956: you are the problem.
[04:24:35] <crutchy> we worry when he starts talking sense
[04:24:44] <Gravis> Runaway1956: no die already.
[04:24:47] <Gravis> now*
[04:24:49] <Runaway1956> When they say, "We're from the government and we're here to help" it's time to either run like hell, or start shooting
[04:25:27] <crutchy> Runaway1956, see now look what you did. you added yourself to Gravis' "final solution"
[04:25:36] <Gravis> crutchy: time?
[04:26:00] <Gravis> time kills all people
[04:26:06] <Runaway1956> No problem crutchy I'm used to it - a lot of lefties are nazis in disguise
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[04:26:32] <crutchy> Gravis is our speshul person
[04:26:50] * crutchy offers Gravis a half-chewed crayon
[04:27:02] <Gravis> Runaway1956: fool. both sides are equally insane.
[04:27:13] <Runaway1956> I'm going to wander off and spread apoplexy around the web . . . .
[04:27:44] <Gravis> Runaway1956: you do that
[04:28:04] <Runaway1956> but first, who can tell me what the Abbot of Citeaux Arnaud Amalric is famous for?
[04:28:29] <Gravis> Runaway1956: yes, just follow the link: google.com
[04:29:01] <chromas> we need the theme song
[04:29:06] <Runaway1956> Ahhhhhh - I can finish my crossword puzzle now
[04:29:12] <Runaway1956> "Kill them all, God will know His own"
[04:29:39] <chromas> ♪lotta lefties: nazis in disguise!♫
[04:29:49] <Runaway1956> I couldn't have done it without you Gravis
[04:29:50] <crutchy> aw shit
[04:29:58] <crutchy> Gravis said something sensible!
[04:30:15] * crutchy grabs the epi-re-insanifier-pen
[04:30:39] <crutchy> <Gravis> Runaway1956: fool. both sides are equally insane.
[04:30:46] <crutchy> indeed they are
[04:31:02] <Runaway1956> uh-huh
[04:31:38] <Runaway1956> Oh yeah, the Abbot voted Democrat, LMAO
[04:31:58] <Runaway1956> His lieutenants voted Republican
[04:32:53] <crutchy> Runaway1956, are you a ron paul supporter?
[04:33:03] <crutchy> err. ex-
[04:33:41] <Runaway1956> Nahhhh - not really, but I'd probably vote for him ahead of anyone in the running in either of the other parties
[04:33:57] <Runaway1956> I am so very SICK of our wonderful "two party system"
[04:34:58] <crutchy> i honestly dunno why people vote for manjor parties
[04:35:07] <crutchy> even in australia
[04:35:13] <crutchy> they're both full of retards
[04:35:37] <crutchy> rand paul may be closest to a real person, but even him i dunno if i'd trust
[04:35:43] <crutchy> he's a religious guy
[04:35:43] <Runaway1956> "even in Australia"???? You serious? You share our insanity, don't you understand?
[04:36:02] <crutchy> our politicians are even more retarded than yours
[04:36:19] <cmn32480> HEY!
[04:36:23] <cmn32480> I really doubt that!
[04:36:24] <crutchy> i think people only vote at all here cos they get fined if they don't show up
[04:36:50] <cmn32480> our politicians are grade A retards, and so are most of the people that vote for them.
[04:37:16] <Runaway1956> LMAO, ours are Grade B?
[04:39:14] <cmn32480> dunno... they may be equal, but if they are more retarded, perhaps they ought to be on the first ship
[04:48:25] <chromas> charter-- # advertises internet security suite—limited to ten devices
[04:48:25] <Bender> karma - charter: -2
[04:48:31] <cmn32480> crutchy++
[04:48:31] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 182
[04:48:40] <cmn32480> chromas++
[04:48:40] <Bender> karma - chromas: 144
[04:48:53] <chromas> cmn32480++ ;)
[04:48:53] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 33
[04:49:03] <chromas> oh no, your power-of-two! :'(
[05:00:11] <cmn32480> ~gnight everybody!
[05:00:13] * exec suspiciously hurls a toilet bowl of milo at everybody!
[05:00:16] <cmn32480> ~gnight everybody!
[05:00:18] * exec fanatically tosses a buzz saw of toilet water to everybody!
[05:01:01] <chromas> ~g'night cmn32480 (ping)
[05:01:04] * exec abnormally slides a DD cup of spew to cmn32480
[05:01:14] <cmn32480> ew
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[05:12:15] <crutchy> ~weather
[05:12:16] <exec> 07Traralgon VIC - currently 39°C, partly cloudy, wind W at 14 km/h, humidity 12% - Thursday partly cloudy (17°C:41°C), Friday partly cloudy (16°C:35°C), Saturday showers (14°C:21°C), Sunday showers (14°C:20°C)
[05:33:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - R&R: Reflections and Resolutions - http://sylnt.us - a-little-R&amp;amp;R-is-good-for-the-soul
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[06:19:18] <crutchy> ~weather
[06:19:19] <exec> 07Traralgon VIC - currently 39°C, partly cloudy, wind W at 16 km/h, humidity 12% - Thursday partly cloudy (17°C:41°C), Friday partly cloudy (16°C:36°C), Saturday showers (14°C:21°C), Sunday showers (14°C:20°C)
[06:19:25] <crutchy> wtf?
[06:19:27] <crutchy> ~time
[06:19:28] <exec> Thursday, 31 December 2015 @ 5:19 pm GMT+11 - Traralgon VIC
[06:19:49] <crutchy> u supposed to be cooling down now!
[07:04:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Quiet Rest Can Help Amnesiac Patients Memorize Stuff - http://sylnt.us - I-gotta-remember-to-read-this-again
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[09:50:52] <crutchy> ~time nz
[09:50:53] <exec> Thursday, 31 December 2015 @ 10:50 pm GMT+13 - Wellington, New Zealand 11:35 PM Chatham Island (GMT+13:45)
[09:51:20] <crutchy> almost happy spew beer time JamesNZ
[09:51:48] <crutchy> we're still waiting for the kids 9pm fireworks
[09:52:31] <crutchy> ~time
[09:52:33] <exec> Thursday, 31 December 2015 @ 8:52 pm GMT+11 - Traralgon VIC
[09:52:44] <crutchy> 8 minutes to go
[09:52:52] <crutchy> thooooo exthiting :D
[09:54:23] <crutchy> wonder how many dickheads gunna be playing with fireworks tonight
[09:54:53] <crutchy> the official ones have been cancelled in my town cos of total fire ban
[09:55:45] <crutchy> ~weather
[09:55:46] <exec> 07Traralgon VIC - currently 33°C, clear with periodic clouds, wind E at 8 km/h, humidity 18% - Thursday clear with periodic clouds (17°C:41°C), Friday partly cloudy (16°C:36°C), Saturday showers (14°C:21°C), Sunday rain (13°C:19°C)
[09:56:00] <crutchy> at least its cooled down a bit
[10:03:39] <chromas> fireworks++
[10:03:39] <Bender> karma - fireworks: 1
[10:03:44] <chromas> nuisance++
[10:03:44] <Bender> karma - nuisance: 1
[10:06:16] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[10:06:17] <problematic> ^ 03Sydney Harbour Foreshore Authority Live Stream - YouTube
[10:06:55] <crutchy> damn. can't see the bridge in that shot :(
[10:08:34] <crutchy> fuck me. wonder how big the midnight one will be
[10:20:17] <crutchy> ~time nz
[10:20:18] <exec> Thursday, 31 December 2015 @ 11:20 pm GMT+13 - Wellington, New Zealand 12:05 AM+1 day Chatham Island (GMT+13:45)
[10:23:05] <chromas> ~time crutchins
[10:23:07] <exec> Wednesday, 1 December 1999 @ 12:00 am - Crutchfield, Kentucky - current local time, timezone, daylight savings time
[10:23:37] <chromas> time to party like it's 1999
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[10:37:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ancient Irish Genomes Shed Light on Mass Migrations - http://sylnt.us - is-'Celtic'-pronounced-'Keltic'-or-'Seltic'?
[10:47:25] <JamesNZ> crutchy: Indeed :)
[10:48:51] <crutchy> chromas, lol wtf?
[10:49:22] <chromas> wasn't I
[10:49:43] * chromas blames joojle
[11:02:00] <JamesNZ> crutchy: Happy spew beer!
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[11:07:31] <Bytram> coffee++
[11:07:31] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2024
[11:07:36] <Bytram> ~time x
[11:07:38] <exec> Thursday, 31 December 2015 @ 11:07 am UTC - Coordinated Universal Time
[11:07:51] <Bytram> about 13h until next year
[11:08:07] <JamesNZ> Not for me.
[11:09:46] <Bytram> http://go.theregister.com
[11:09:48] <problematic> ^ 03BBC News website takes New Year's Eve off • The Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
[11:09:53] <Bytram> http://www.bbc.co.uk
[11:09:54] <problematic> ^ 03'Technical issue' hits BBC websites - BBC News ( http://www.bbc.co.uk )
[11:16:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:16:30] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2025
[11:17:16] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: g'morning, buzz.
[11:17:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, yo
[11:17:32] <Bytram> crutchy: belated g'morning to ya!
[11:17:39] <Bytram> JamesNZ: good to 'see' ya!
[11:17:53] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: thanks for the db tips yesterday; was a BIG help!
[11:18:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[11:18:00] <JamesNZ> Bytram: Same to you :)
[11:18:06] <JamesNZ> Heyo TheMightyBuzzard \o
[11:18:14] <Bytram> 'cept i had trouble with date/time and posted the new year's story a day early!
[11:18:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, you remember to put phoenix666 on the staff list?
[11:18:28] <Bytram> ummm, how do I do that?
[11:18:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> in the story
[11:18:50] <Bytram> oh, changed my mind on that and omitted all nick references
[11:18:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[11:19:52] <Bytram> didn't want to give any impression of someone being more important than any other; every one of us fills a kew part of the team in some way; we needed everyone we had to keep things running through theyear.
[11:20:00] <Bytram> s/kew/key/
[11:20:00] <sedctl> <Bytram> didn't want to give any impression of someone being more important than any other; every one of us fills a key part of the team in some way; we needed everyone we had to keep things running through theyear.
[11:20:02] <exec> <Bytram> didn't want to give any impression of someone being more important than any other; every one of us fills a key part of the team in some way; we needed everyone we had to keep things running through theyear.
[11:20:05] <Bytram> lol
[11:20:17] <chromas> oh, I thought sedctl died
[11:20:22] <chromas> ~sed off
[11:20:23] <exec> sed disabled for 10#Soylent
[11:20:45] <Bytram> btw, there was a comment on the story noting that about 1 out of 6 submissions did not make it out as a story...
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[11:21:09] <Bytram> I'm struggling to find a mapping from stories to submissions to get a handle on things;
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[11:21:28] <Bytram> looks like stoid might be the thing to follow, but am still just getting my head around things
[11:21:43] <Bytram> ~time Southside_puto
[11:21:45] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Thursday, 31 December 2015, 11:21 am
[11:21:47] <Bytram> lol
[11:21:54] <Bytram> ~time california
[11:21:56] <exec> Thursday, 31 December 2015 @ 3:21 am PST - California, USA
[11:21:57] <Southside_puto> ~time El Centro, CA
[11:21:58] <exec> Thursday, 31 December 2015 @ 3:21 am PST - El Centro, CA, USA
[11:22:02] <Southside_puto> weather, el centro ca
[11:22:07] <Southside_puto> ~weather El centro, ca
[11:22:08] <exec> 10El Centro, CA, USA - currently 37°F / 3°C, clear with periodic clouds, wind W at 6 mph, humidity 57% - Wednesday clear (35°F:37°F / 2°C:3°C), Thursday mostly sunny (37°F:65°F / 3°C:18°C), Friday sunny (37°F:64°F / 3°C:18°C), Saturday sunny (40°F:67°F / 4°C:19°C)
[11:22:11] <Bytram> you're up a bit early... hope all is well.
[11:22:19] <Bytram> brr!
[11:22:25] <Bytram> um,, brr-ish.
[11:22:28] <Southside_puto> up a bit late you mean. How goes it?
[11:22:30] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[11:22:31] <exec> 10Boston, MA, USA - currently 34°F, light drizzle, wind NW at 7 mph, humidity 100% - Thursday freezing rain (32°F:45°F), Friday mostly sunny (29°F:40°F), Saturday mostly sunny (30°F:40°F), Sunday partly cloudy (24°F:40°F)
[11:22:38] <Bytram> ~weather portland, me
[11:22:40] <exec> 10Portland, ME, USA - currently 32°F, fog, wind W at 2 mph, humidity 95% - Thursday partly cloudy (26°F:41°F), Friday mostly sunny (23°F:38°F), Saturday mostly sunny (25°F:36°F), Sunday partly cloudy (11°F:35°F)
[11:22:45] <Bytram> ~weather presque isle
[11:22:48] <exec> 10Presque Isle, ME, USA - currently 25°F, cloudy, wind S at 4 mph, humidity 87% - Thursday snow showers (17°F:33°F), Friday partly cloudy (19°F:26°F), Saturday partly cloudy (13°F:26°F), Sunday cloudy (-6°F:14°F)
[11:22:53] <Southside_puto> Wikkid.
[11:23:05] <Southside_puto> That's some ball-shrivelin' weather, man.
[11:23:19] <Bytram> ima up a bit early, puzzling out an answer to a question posed to the R&R story.
[11:23:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> #blackuweather
[11:23:56] <MrPlow> T'day: Sheet, I ain even know. It fuck'n cold! Dey a lil breeze. T'marra: Sheet, I ain even know. It fuck'n cold! Dey a lil breeze.
[11:24:06] <Southside_puto> Haha Buzzard. Nice.
[11:24:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> thought you'd dig that
[11:24:52] <Southside_puto> Hahahahaha
[11:25:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> #weather
[11:25:04] <MrPlow> Today: Clouds and some sun this morning with more clouds for this afternoon. High 43F. Winds N at 5 to 10 mph. Tomorrow: Sunshine and clouds mixed. High 46F. Winds NNW at 5 to 10 mph.
[11:25:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> need to get it parsing the cloudiness better but that's for another day
[11:26:22] <Bytram> darn! major solar storm promising good viewing for Northern Lights and I won't be able to see it.
[11:27:13] <Southside_puto> ~weather Eugene, oregon
[11:27:14] <exec> 10Eugene, OR, USA - currently 31°F / -1°C, clear, wind NW at 6 mph, humidity 81% - Wednesday clear (27°F:31°F / -3°C:-1°C), Thursday sunny (26°F:39°F / -3°C:4°C), Friday sunny (23°F:40°F / -5°C:4°C), Saturday sunny (27°F:40°F / -3°C:4°C)
[11:27:49] <Southside_puto> ~weather Portland, oregon
[11:27:50] <exec> 10Portland, OR, USA - currently 34°F / 1°C, clear, wind E at 13 mph, humidity 66% - Wednesday clear (31°F:32°F / -1°C:0°C), Thursday sunny (29°F:38°F / -2°C:3°C), Friday sunny (27°F:38°F / -3°C:3°C), Saturday sunny (28°F:38°F / -2°C:3°C)
[11:28:08] <Southside_puto> The conditions are right for it, in oregon.
[11:28:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> #blackuweather portland, or
[11:28:21] <MrPlow> T'day: Shit bright, get yo shades. It fuck'n cold! Dey a lil breeze. T'marra: Shit bright, get yo shades. It fuck'n cold! Dey a lil breeze.
[11:28:33] <Southside_puto> Hahahahaha
[11:28:49] <Southside_puto> #blackuweather chicago, il
[11:28:49] <MrPlow> T'day: Dey some clouds, nutt'n fancy though. It fuck'n cold! Dey a lil breeze. T'marra: Dey some clouds, nutt'n fancy though. It fuck'n cold! Dey a lil breeze.
[11:28:52] <Bytram> ~weather Riyadh
[11:28:53] <exec> 10Riyadh Saudi Arabia - currently 68°F, widespread dust, wind SE at 10 mph, humidity 64% - Thursday partly cloudy (57°F:65°F), Friday partly cloudy (56°F:75°F), Saturday partly cloudy (43°F:63°F), Sunday sunny (36°F:55°F)
[11:29:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> it gets some of the cloudiness right
[11:29:15] <Bytram> #blackuweather Riyadh
[11:29:15] <MrPlow> Yo ass ain get no wetha, bitch.
[11:29:21] <Bytram> lol
[11:29:25] <Southside_puto> hehehehe
[11:29:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> #weather riyadh, saudi arabia
[11:29:50] <MrPlow> Today: Partly cloudy. High around 65F. Winds ESE at 5 to 10 mph. Tomorrow: Sunny skies. High 76F. Winds SSW at 10 to 15 mph.
[11:30:14] <Bytram> #blackuweather Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
[11:30:14] <MrPlow> T'day: Sheet, I ain even know. Shit be aight. Dey a lil breeze. T'marra: Shit bright, get yo shades. Shit be aight. Dey a lil breeze.
[11:30:34] <Bytram> better!
[11:31:13] * TheMightyBuzzard tips his hat to the blackuweather dude on family guy
[11:31:29] <Southside_puto> Is' Gon' RAIN!
[11:32:51] <Southside_puto> https://en.wikipedia.org
[11:32:52] <problematic> ^ 03Wiki: Al Roker ( https://en.wikipedia.org )
[11:39:07] <Southside_puto> oglaf rocks.
[11:39:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, my hair is gettin on my nerves. it's gettin long enough i might have to buy a comb or brush or something.
[11:40:01] <Southside_puto> get a mullet bro - business in the front, party in the back.
[11:41:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> gotta go with the bruce willis look. keeps me from havin to buy shampoo and a comb.
[11:41:23] <Southside_puto> Nice.
[11:42:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus i can do my hair and my face at the same time with the same tool
[11:42:29] * TheMightyBuzzard waits for the inevitable rubbing a tool on his face joke
[11:48:23] <Southside_puto> Fuck it utility trumps all.
[11:51:38] <Southside_puto> ~weather istanbul, turkey
[11:51:39] <exec> 10Istanbul, İstanbul, Turkey - currently 34°F / 1°C, mostly cloudy, wind N at 21 mph, humidity 75% - Thursday snow (30°F:34°F / -1°C:1°C), Friday snow showers (29°F:36°F / -2°C:2°C), Saturday partly cloudy (34°F:36°F / 1°C:2°C), Sunday mostly cloudy (39°F:41°F / 4°C:5°C)
[11:57:32] * Southside_puto prays to Jesus Christ that LA gets hit in a terrorist attack
[11:57:54] <Southside_puto> O' Warriors of Allah, smite the sodomites!
[11:59:16] <Southside_puto> Visited my old female friend here, who started going on and on about Bernie Sanders.
[11:59:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> screw that
[11:59:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> sodomy++
[11:59:20] <Bender> karma - sodomy: 1
[12:00:06] <Southside_puto> sodomy rocks, but Los Angeles must be wiped from the face of the map.
[12:00:10] <chromas> jihadists vs la rioters
[12:00:28] <chromas> pay per view only
[12:00:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> now that's a pay-per-view i'd fork out for.
[12:00:39] <Southside_puto> There's a lot of jihad there too. Junior College I attended (Pierce College) had Fridays off in observance of that.
[12:01:38] <Southside_puto> It'd be the Korean shopkeepers trying to maintain order.
[12:01:38] * JamesNZ notes that down in his little black book
[12:02:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> right. time for a smoke and some throne time.
[12:05:19] <chromas> fire and ice
[12:05:23] <chromas> revenge of the burrito
[12:08:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Advanced Passenger Train - http://sylnt.us - only-advanced-passengers-can-ride-it
[12:13:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> any week that goes by without my o-ring being visited by the fiery wrath of last night's dinner is a wasted week.
[12:14:31] <Southside_puto> That sounds rather unpleasant.
[12:15:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> as it should be. i can't be havin with no weak bunghole.
[12:16:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> survival of the fittest
[12:16:35] <Southside_puto> Chili_plus_tobasco++
[12:16:35] <Bender> karma - chili_plus_tobasco: 1
[12:17:00] <AndyTheAbsurd> Heh. A couple of weeks ago, two of my coworkers made the mistake of going to a Thai and order their food "Thai hot". Sounds like something that TheMightyBuzzard would enjoy.
[12:17:10] <Southside_puto> Yeah, there are hotter sauces....but only tobasco keeps its heat no matter how much you contort it.
[12:17:46] <Southside_puto> Andy, that will do it. When they ask you how much out of ten you want the heat, you're asking for it when you ask for ten.
[12:17:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyone who puts ranch on their hotwings to cool the burn/afterburn is just a pussy.
[12:18:21] * Southside_puto is partial to the bleu cheese with wings
[12:18:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> ditto ice cream after spicy food
[12:19:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> but yeah, i dig thai food in all its blazing glory
[12:19:02] <AndyTheAbsurd> There's also a place around here that has "nuclear" wings, which you have to sign a waiver before they'll serve to you.
[12:19:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. i been going with the mango habanero wings lately. plenty hot and really good taste as well.
[12:20:18] <Southside_puto> This: http://www.amazon.com
[12:20:20] <problematic> ^ 03Amazon.com : Double Bastard Double Burn Habanero Hot Sauce 5 Fl Oz : Arrogant Bastard Hot Sauce : Grocery Gourmet Food
[12:20:25] <Southside_puto> Goes well with V8 juice.
[12:20:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> ideally i should have to stop eating because of the burn rather than stomach fullness
[12:20:45] <crutchy> #blackweather melbourne, australia
[12:20:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> forgot the u
[12:21:04] <crutchy> #blackuweather melbourne, australia
[12:21:04] <MrPlow> T'day: How da fuck am I know dat shit? T'marra: Dey some clouds, nutt'n fancy though. Shit be aight. Dey a lil breeze.
[12:21:17] <crutchy> shit be fkin hot dawg
[12:21:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> #weather melbourne, australia
[12:21:39] <MrPlow> Today: Partly cloudy. Lows overnight in the mid 60s. Tomorrow: Partly cloudy skies in the morning will give way to cloudy skies during the afternoon. High around 85F. Winds SSW at 10 to 20 mph.
[12:21:51] <crutchy> ~weather
[12:21:52] <exec> 07Traralgon VIC - currently 26°C, clear, wind E at 10 km/h, humidity 31% - Thursday clear with periodic clouds (17°C:41°C), Friday partly cloudy (16°C:36°C), Saturday showers (14°C:22°C), Sunday showers (13°C:19°C)
[12:21:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> 85 ain't hot, thas just cozy.
[12:22:10] <crutchy> 36 isn't as bad as today at least
[12:22:28] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~weather 33713
[12:22:30] <exec> 10St Petersburg, FL 33713, USA - currently 73°F / 23°C, partly cloudy, wind S at 6 mph, humidity 94% - Thursday partly cloudy (68°F:82°F / 20°C:28°C), Friday mostly cloudy (61°F:79°F / 16°C:26°C), Saturday mostly cloudy (57°F:68°F / 14°C:20°C), Sunday rain (54°F:60°F / 12°C:16°C)
[12:22:32] <crutchy> ~time
[12:22:33] <exec> Thursday, 31 December 2015 @ 11:22 pm GMT+11 - Traralgon VIC
[12:22:43] <crutchy> ooh half hour left of 2015
[12:23:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> danged livin in the future hippies
[12:23:50] <crutchy> ~time nz
[12:23:51] <exec> Friday, 1 January 2016 @ 1:23 am GMT+13 - Wellington, New Zealand 2:08 AM Chatham Island (GMT+13:45)
[12:24:00] <crutchy> heh. already 2016 for JamesNZ
[12:24:00] <Southside_puto> damn, crutch dawg, be sure to tell us which terror attacks will happen in the future.
[12:24:30] <crutchy> there's gunna be a terrorist attack in my shitter soon
[12:24:37] <crutchy> that bowl will be destroyed
[12:24:48] <Southside_puto> crutchy, have you been eating Buzzard's hot-wings?
[12:24:50] <crutchy> sprayed with chemical warfare
[12:24:52] <crutchy> lol
[12:25:05] <crutchy> i'm a stupid curry eating fuckwit
[12:25:17] <Southside_puto> Nothing wrong wit curries. They're fucking delicious.
[12:25:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> one thing i will say for this rent house, they didn't skimp on the toilets. I have yet to be able to stop one up.
[12:25:30] <Bytram> I can't be the first who would like to do this.. is there a way, in SQL, to do something like; select * except notes from stories where date = '2015-12-31';
[12:25:36] <chromas> Keep trying
[12:25:42] <crutchy> luckily i've only had to use bucket assistance a couple of times
[12:26:00] <crutchy> chromas is the sql expert around ere
[12:26:11] <Bytram> crutchy: thanx
[12:26:13] <chromas> Pfff
[12:26:23] <Bytram> lol
[12:26:38] <crutchy> how do you query by dates n shit in the ~last commands?
[12:26:50] <crutchy> gotta surround with #'s or summin?
[12:26:58] <crutchy> hmm that might be ms access sql
[12:27:04] <chromas> until= and since=
[12:27:05] <Bytram> IOW, there is one (or more) 'wide' columns and I'd like to view the data in all of the columns EXCEPT for the 'wide' ones.
[12:27:15] <Southside_puto> SELECT * FROM dicks WHERE id <>
[12:27:15] <chromas> Oh my the actual sql?
[12:27:16] <crutchy> maybe convert to unix timestamps
[12:27:21] <Bytram> chromas: nod nod
[12:28:05] <chromas> pretty sure you can do != date or <> date or something
[12:28:15] <Bytram> my concern is NOT with the date, it's with the columns that are displayed. I'd like to see the values in ALL of the fields except for one field.
[12:29:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> there may be a way but i always just specify the ones i DO want.
[12:29:51] <Bytram> say, I have a table, foo, with fields: this, that, these, and those. Instead of doing 'SELECT this, that, these FROM foo;' I'd like to be able to do: 'SELECT * EXCEPT those FROM foo;'
[12:31:48] <Bytram> in particular, the 'stories' table has 21 columns and I want to look at 20 of them, and I'd prefer to not have to explicitly list all 20 that I do want, but instead say show me everything except for the one (or more) that I do not want.
[12:32:30] <cmn32480|sleepin> ~time crutchy
[12:32:31] <exec> Thursday, 31 December 2015 @ 11:32 pm GMT+11 - Traralgon VIC
[12:32:34] <chromas> you could create a view that specifies 20, then query the view :D
[12:32:43] cmn32480|sleepin is now known as cmn32480
[12:32:49] <Bytram> gee, THAT helps a lot! :/
[12:32:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~time uranus
[12:32:52] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Thursday, 31 December 2015, 12:32 pm
[12:33:02] <Bytram> cmn32480: g'morning.
[12:33:16] <Southside_puto> You could create a temporary table with an alias or some shit
[12:33:22] <cmn32480> ~gady gents
[12:33:27] <cmn32480> ~gday gents
[12:33:28] * exec abrasively passes a bathtub of milo to gents
[12:33:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, cmn32480
[12:33:46] <cmn32480> coffee not brewed yet
[12:33:50] <cmn32480> me no smrt
[12:34:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, i withdraw the mornin then. you can have it back post-coffee.
[12:35:08] <cmn32480> bytram - we was both wrong.. but I was closer without going over
[12:35:25] <cmn32480> hrumph
[12:35:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, come on down. you're the next contestant on the price is right.
[12:35:37] <Bytram> we have 25 more minutes before 0800 UTC
[12:35:59] <cmn32480> then we all get to wish crutch a happy new year
[12:36:16] <cmn32480> Happy New Year JamesNZ!
[12:36:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> should have the contestants bid on barker's beauties instead of products.
[12:36:30] <cmn32480> I hope the bedbugs chap yer ass!
[12:36:41] <JamesNZ> cmn32480: Happy new year to you too :D
[12:36:44] <Bytram> last night, after cmn32480 and I completely emptied the submissions queue, guessed how many stories would be submitted before 0800 UTC; cmn32480 said '5' and I predicted '8'
[12:36:46] <cmn32480> I dunno... I'm not really inot old chicks
[12:37:07] * JamesNZ gives cmn32480 a box of wrapped bedbugs <3
[12:37:09] <cmn32480> bytram is gonna get the horn
[12:37:18] <Bytram> horn of plenty?
[12:37:39] <Bytram> ~time france
[12:37:41] <exec> Thursday, 31 December 2015 @ 1:37 pm GMT+1 - France
[12:37:45] * cmn32480 lights the wrapped present on fire with a flamthrower
[12:37:55] <cmn32480> ~time kiwiland
[12:37:56] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Thursday, 31 December 2015, 12:37 pm
[12:38:04] <cmn32480> ~time New Zealand
[12:38:06] <exec> Friday, 1 January 2016 @ 1:38 am GMT+13 - Wellington, New Zealand 2:23 AM Chatham Island (GMT+13:45)
[12:38:25] <cmn32480> coffeepot beeped....
[12:38:30] <cmn32480> time to start my IV
[12:38:36] <JamesNZ> I couldn't think of anything else, you're hard to buy for ;)
[12:39:24] <cmn32480> cash is always nice... or a gift card to the local home improvement store
[12:39:42] <Bytram> JamesNZ: hmmm, do you have clear skies? there was a large coronal mass ejection a day (or two) ago and there are predictions for northern lights to be visible in southern latitudes; i spose that means the aurora australis should be visible, to you.
[12:40:18] <JamesNZ> Bytram: Ah, interesting. Today's been cloudless.
[12:40:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> woot, just lined me up a booty call for the weekend.
[12:40:47] <cmn32480> going to the proctologist again?
[12:40:47] <Southside_puto> Lucky cloudless bastids.
[12:41:00] <Bytram> if you've never seen one, you deserve to go out and take a look. I've only seen an aurora once and it is something I will NEVER forget.
[12:41:03] <crutchy> lol @ cmn32480
[12:41:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, only if she's feelin kinky.
[12:41:35] <Southside_puto> She knows when you get hard, buzzard.
[12:41:42] <cmn32480> Southside_puto - TheMightyBuzzard may need to borrow an extender
[12:41:56] * Bytram read: https://dev.mysql.com and it looks like there is no simple way to look at all columns EXCEPT one. :(
[12:41:58] <problematic> ^ 03MySQL :: MySQL 5.7 Reference Manual :: 13.2.9 SELECT Syntax
[12:42:20] <crutchy> Bytram, why not just query all of them?
[12:42:22] <JamesNZ> Bytram: I'll definitely try and see it if I can :)
[12:43:07] <Bytram> cause I am not interested, in this particular case, to see the entire story text (which is on the order of 1KB), I want to see all the other columns.
[12:43:32] <cmn32480> coffee++
[12:43:32] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2026
[12:43:43] <crutchy> can't script it away after the sql?
[12:43:51] <crutchy> using js or summin?
[12:43:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, if she thinks it's too small, poke it in her butt and she'll change her tune.
[12:44:06] <Southside_puto> cmn, sure, 'tis the greatest revenge on your procto to strap on your own glove and make them bend over.
[12:44:22] <Gravis> Bytram: "looks like there is no simple way to look at all columns EXCEPT one" <-- sure there is... just type out all there names except the one you dont want. ;)
[12:44:24] <Bytram> crutchy: I'm talking direct to the DB and was trying to use native SQL commands;
[12:44:35] * cmn32480 goes to get a papertowel to clean to coffee off his screen
[12:44:35] <Southside_puto> After a taste of the Tommy Gunn they will no longer fart, but whistle.
[12:44:51] <Bytram> Gravis: s/simple/non-time-consuming/
[12:44:51] <sedctl> <Bytram> <Gravis> Bytram: "looks like there is no non-time-consuming way to look at all columns EXCEPT one" <-- sure there is... just type out all there names except the one you dont want. ;)
[12:45:19] <Southside_puto> that sql problem is really bugging the fuck out of me.
[12:45:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> bleh, was gonna grab that whistle line but it would be under the wrong name
[12:45:38] <Gravis> Bytram: eh... then your DB probably isn't well designed. :/
[12:45:51] <crutchy> Bytram, http://stackoverflow.com
[12:45:52] <problematic> ^ 03Select all columns except one in MySQL? - Stack Overflow
[12:45:55] <crutchy> might be of interest
[12:46:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, it's not so much designed as grown, like a fungus.
[12:46:12] <Bytram> only thing I can think of is to extract the column names with a describe and then exclude the one I don't want and then select on the ones that are left. ugly.
[12:46:15] <crutchy> SET @sql = CONCAT('SELECT ', (SELECT REPLACE(GROUP_CONCAT(COLUMN_NAME), '<columns_to_omit>,', '') FROM INFORMATION_SCHEMA.COLUMNS WHERE TABLE_NAME = '<table>' AND TABLE_SCHEMA = '<database>'), ' FROM <table>');
[12:46:15] <crutchy> PREPARE stmt1 FROM @sql;
[12:46:15] <crutchy> EXECUTE stmt1;
[12:46:59] <Southside_puto> That's still awfully verbose to omit just one column from a table.
[12:47:05] <cmn32480> http://stackoverflow.com
[12:47:06] <problematic> ^ 03sql server - SQL exclude a column using SELECT * [except columnA] FROM tableA? - Stack Overflow
[12:47:27] <cmn32480> I know it is for SQL server, but the concepts shoudl be same
[12:47:33] <crutchy> Southside_puto, its a pretty basic statement though
[12:47:40] <cmn32480> one suggestion is to copy them to another table adn dropw hat you donr' want
[12:47:42] <Southside_puto> cmn, if you're reading the same article I did, that's like writing two fat and almost redundant SQL statements for a simple operation.
[12:47:57] <cmn32480> yup
[12:48:03] <crutchy> there's plenty of sql that's more verbose than that one ^^^
[12:48:05] <Gravis> how many columns does this table have?
[12:48:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> 21
[12:48:27] <Gravis> oi! fix it
[12:48:36] <Bytram> in THIS particular case, that is.
[12:48:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> it'd likely break the site if we did. it's the stories table;
[12:48:59] <chromas> You can put the column names you want into a table and put a select in your select >:)
[12:49:10] <crutchy> Bytram, you should be able to pretty easily adapt that sql that i pasted, or not?
[12:49:14] <Bytram> it's a recurring situation that I'd like a general solution for.
[12:49:57] <cmn32480> http://stackoverflow.com
[12:50:03] <cmn32480> first answer does it bytram
[12:50:06] <Gravis> the solution is to split your table into reasonable parts or combine some columns
[12:50:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, write a perl script.
[12:50:50] <Bytram> crutchy: yes, but I was hoping for something a little less verbose. I think buzz has the right idea... there's no terse way to do it with native SQL.
[12:50:52] * Southside_puto actually thought this was a troll question
[12:51:14] <crutchy> or a php script, or even js could do it
[12:51:27] <Southside_puto> Well, fuck, if even the mighty oracle makes you do a sequence because it doesn't allow auto-increments, then this doesn't surprise me.
[12:51:30] <crutchy> exec has a little sql lib
[12:51:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, stories table isn't really an issue. we don't have any slowdown from the db. only real speed bump we have currently is the perl logic for displaying 100+ comment comment sections.
[12:52:17] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: with that many columns, it's an issue
[12:52:24] <Gravis> of poor design
[12:52:44] <Southside_puto> Dammit, Buzzard, that's like #1 on the wish list I never actually asked for...the option to "show all comments" rather than have to see them in sections of fifty
[12:52:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> true but one we inherited and that doesn't give us runtime problems, only aesthetic ones.
[12:52:53] <crutchy> Gravis, lots of columns != bad design
[12:53:14] <crutchy> normalization has nothing to do with no of columns
[12:53:21] <cmn32480> gravis - feel free to go yell at CmdrTaco and CowboyNeal
[12:53:45] <Southside_puto> that is true, crutchy. Only shit like redundancy and how PKs/FKs are handled.
[12:53:53] <chromas> if anything, there should be more columns
[12:53:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> Southside_puto, me too. if i can fix the logic to display them faster i'll get make a setting of 0 mean "fuckin all of them"
[12:54:02] <Bytram> crutchy++ normalization
[12:54:02] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 183
[12:54:09] <crutchy> chromas, s/more/moar/
[12:54:09] <sedctl> <crutchy> <chromas> if anything, there should be moar columns
[12:55:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, i gotta get the trash out before it runs and i get stuck with a full garbage can for a week.
[12:55:11] <crutchy> ~time
[12:55:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> back shortly
[12:55:13] <exec> Thursday, 31 December 2015 @ 11:55 pm GMT+11 - Traralgon VIC
[12:55:24] <crutchy> gunna go make me a cuppa before the fireworks start
[12:55:28] <Bytram> I can see why what I want to do could be considered an 'anti-pattern' because: if the DB gets updated and other columns added (or the excepted column removed', things could get a bit, umm, 'exciting'.
[12:55:29] <cmn32480> countdown w/ crutchy!
[12:56:44] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com'
[12:56:45] <problematic> ^ 032015 Sydney NYE Fireworks Stream - YouTube
[12:56:47] <Southside_puto> Bytram, you do temporary tables or views or whatever the magical solution is that hopefully doesn't involve you being too intoxicated and leading to data loss.
[12:56:47] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[12:56:53] <crutchy> if anyone's interestd ^
[12:57:06] <Bytram> okay, is there a way to invoke mysql, have it execute one command, exit, and redirect the output to a file? e.g.: mysql --command 'describe submissions;' > submissions.describe.txt
[12:58:13] <Southside_puto> Bytram, your best bet is probably through PHP or another language as Crutchy stated
[12:58:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn, she wants to come over this morning. i gotta get the place looking like me and the roomie know the difference between the trash can and the floor.
[12:58:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> cleaning--
[12:58:33] <Bender> karma - cleaning: -1
[12:58:45] <Southside_puto> just iterate through all the columns you want and ignore the one you dont, then display it all. Crude but easier than dicking with SQl
[12:59:14] <Southside_puto> Buzzard, there's a time-honored solution for quickly becoming a cleaning master: Cocaine.
[12:59:39] <Southside_puto> ("let's organize the socks again, something doesnt look right!")
[12:59:44] <cmn32480> that'll be streaming on youtube next to crutchy's fireworks, right buzzard?
[12:59:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> too expensive. i'll just double up on the morning amphetamines since they're free.
[13:00:02] <Bytram> break time; biab
[13:00:10] <Southside_puto> cmn, if they play "Yakety Sax" while showing it, I'll pay-per-view for dat sheeit.
[13:00:34] <cmn32480> ~time crutchy
[13:00:35] <exec> Friday, 1 January 2016 @ 12:00 am GMT+11 - Traralgon VIC
[13:00:45] * cmn32480 blows noisemaker
[13:00:52] <Bytram> many thanks for the feedback on the SQL puzzle I posed! glad to know I'm not missing something obvious!
[13:00:53] * Southside_puto farts
[13:00:55] <Bytram> afk
[13:01:03] <Bytram> !woop
[13:01:03] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[13:01:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> EF++ # for knowing the name of that tune
[13:01:15] <Bender> karma - ef: 1
[13:05:32] <Southside_puto> Sheeeit, we have a full 19 hours before new year's
[13:05:40] <cmn32480> yup
[13:05:46] <cmn32480> and I'm at work
[13:06:13] <Southside_puto> That leaves approximately 7-10 hours whether or not we hear of terror attacks in Europa, and more in the US.
[13:06:17] <Southside_puto> That sucks CMN.
[13:07:01] <Southside_puto> I got lucky. I tried to get a nice job at a nice company but made the mistake of telling them I'm in college. "Oh, so we take all this time to train you and you just bail when you graduate?"
[13:07:43] <Southside_puto> But they saw a need for my mule-labor and referred me to the bowels of a temp assignment with 3-month rolling contracts.
[13:08:30] <Southside_puto> Anyway, the point of the ramble is, the company is having their first 2-week holiday shutdown in its 20 year history and I'm out wit'it
[13:09:16] <Southside_puto> not paid, but still.
[13:10:56] <Southside_puto> Pros, more net pay than my last job and Google-like atmosphere with creepily-friendly staff and cafeteria.
[13:11:35] <Southside_puto> Cons - doing manual labor and worked like a fucking dog, no breaks, in a clean-room on my feet torquing bolts a solid 8 hours a day
[13:12:54] <crutchy> HAPPY SPEW BEER FOCKERS!!!
[13:13:32] <Southside_puto> crutchy, post youtube link of you spewing during new year drink
[13:13:38] <crutchy> lol
[13:13:43] <crutchy> i'm having coffee
[13:13:47] <Southside_puto> WUT
[13:14:01] <Southside_puto> coffee's cool....but it's not an IRISH coffee?
[13:14:15] <crutchy> i'm a boring parent :p
[13:18:34] <Southside_puto> Any fireworks?
[13:22:05] <crutchy> not here
[13:22:09] <cmn32480> be3ing at work today isn't hard.
[13:22:11] <crutchy> i think a few did
[13:22:11] <Southside_puto> Weak.
[13:22:17] <cmn32480> we'll be out by noon
[13:22:17] <crutchy> total fire ban
[13:22:40] <crutchy> i think theres already bushfire nearby
[13:22:44] <cmn32480> that happens when it is 50 degrees w/ 0% humidity
[13:22:59] <crutchy> nah was only 40 today
[13:23:09] <crutchy> but that hot enough for me :p
[13:23:26] <cmn32480> says the guy who hid in his living room in the air conditioning all day
[13:23:31] <crutchy> hehe
[13:23:37] <crutchy> i went outside a bkit
[13:23:51] <cmn32480> and came back in when your shes started to melt?
[13:24:32] <crutchy> heh. was ok under the patio
[13:24:57] <crutchy> nfi how hot it was in the sun
[13:25:00] -!- JamesNZ has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[13:25:28] <Southside_puto> Is it summer down there?
[13:25:30] <cmn32480> I'm going to guess "very"
[13:25:43] <cmn32480> nah... global warming
[13:25:47] <Southside_puto> Hahahaha
[13:26:27] <crutchy> we have a white-hot christmas :p
[13:26:36] <Southside_puto> whites++
[13:26:36] <Bender> karma - whites: 1
[13:39:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - R&R: Reflections and Resolutions [Updated] - http://sylnt.us - a-little-R&amp;amp;R-is-good-for-the-soul
[13:47:00] <Southside_puto> err, I am drunk and must sleep.
[13:47:05] <Southside_puto> Goodnight all.
[13:47:13] <cmn32480> ~gnight Southside_puto
[13:47:15] * exec accidentally slides a wad of $insert_beverage_here to Southside_puto
[13:47:36] <Southside_puto> 15 minutes until I can buy more booze.
[13:47:59] <Southside_puto> Be careful. Hah. Hahahaha. HahahahaHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAW!
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[13:52:02] <crutchy> i'm gunna check out too
[13:52:07] <crutchy> ~g'night folks
[13:52:08] * exec dexterously postulates a blagoblag of Soylent Green towards folks
[13:52:12] <crutchy> party on
[14:04:13] <cmn32480> ~gnight crutchy
[14:04:15] * exec insatiably blows a pair of used panties full of ciri poo at crutchy
[14:04:19] <cmn32480> ew
[14:05:03] * cmn32480 wonders how clean the buzzard has made his domicile... and if dynamite would be a better option
[14:10:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Massachusetts Town Builds Itself Gigabit Fiber for $75/Month - http://sylnt.us - fiber-is-good-for-you
[14:14:13] <cmn32480> damnit... if I post sotires past midnight UTC, I have to change ALL the digits of the date...
[14:17:14] <chromas> Is that only if you do it now? Or even if you wait 'til after midnight?
[14:17:33] <chromas> rehash--
[14:17:33] <Bender> karma - rehash: -1
[14:17:36] <chromas> slash--
[14:17:36] <Bender> karma - slash: -4
[14:18:28] <cmn32480> after midnight it will change
[14:19:10] <cmn32480> by default the editorial interface schedules the story to go out 20 minutes from now. so to preload the queue, we cahnge the timing
[14:19:22] <chromas> hehe, just schedule 5 stories to all pop out at midnight
[14:20:36] <cmn32480> nah.. that'd be a 4/1 thing
[14:34:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, bout 1/3 done already.
[14:34:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> amphetamines++
[14:34:41] <Bender> karma - amphetamines: 5
[14:35:46] * TheMightyBuzzard heads out for a smoke/coffee break before breaking out the chainsaws and front-end loaders
[14:48:26] * cmn32480 rattles the submission tin
[14:48:58] <cmn32480> the things guys will do for a piece of tail...
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[17:05:08] <cmn32480> Happy New Year everybody!@
[17:05:16] <cmn32480> I'm outta here.
[17:05:21] <cmn32480> ~gday everybody
[17:05:23] * exec diabolically drops an assfull of dag on everybody
[17:05:25] <jdavidb> adios cmn
[17:05:28] cmn32480 is now known as cmn32480|away
[17:05:42] <cmn32480|away> Happy new Year jdavidb
[17:05:56] <cmn32480|away> ~gday everybody
[17:05:58] * exec clumsily offers a pair of used panties full of ciri poo to everybody
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[17:21:24] <fliptop> https://cdn3.vox-cdn.com
[17:21:54] <fliptop> exciting, sad, or makes your brain hurt?
[17:22:24] <fliptop> i mean vacuum, really?
[17:24:14] <nick> sad
[17:24:16] <nick> very sad
[17:25:11] * fliptop thinks IoT is getting LoT (long in the tooth)
[17:25:25] <nick> as someone who has spent pretty much my entire working life so far primarily working in security and home automation
[17:25:33] <nick> the IoT is nothing good for anyone
[17:25:47] <fliptop> but, der jobs!
[17:26:13] <nick> dytrkmrjrbb
[17:26:17] <fliptop> heh
[17:26:58] <fliptop> i think it makes my brain hurt, i'm thinking of future phone calls from confused 75-year old grandmas who can't seem to get the toaster to work right
[17:27:47] <nick> as an option, i don't mind it
[17:28:37] <nick> but trying to find a decent TV now that is just a display, having no idea of future support/compatibility/security for any iot/smart home bullshit
[17:29:35] <nick> have been doing this for years, for corporates, and security sucked then before it was mass produced with no QC for $99 on amazon.
[17:30:01] <fliptop> i've been working w/ ip cameras for the past year and am amazed at the crap coming out of china
[17:30:21] <nick> taiwan is not a bad place to look
[17:30:42] <nick> prc is a gamble if you want the margin or not
[17:31:16] <fliptop> i've got a level1, it's the best but the most expensive too. in some cases 5x what i'd pay for trendnet garbage
[17:31:33] <nick> i don't mind prc made stuff, for old analog cctv on a budget, for what it's worth (not much)
[17:31:45] <fliptop> the problem is similar to building and selling boxen, dell and the like operate on razor thin margins
[17:32:05] <fliptop> all people really look at is the pricetag
[17:32:35] <nick> yeah
[17:32:49] <fliptop> and making something work w/ cheap ip cameras that can't seem to serve rtsp consistently is near impossible
[17:33:19] <nick> if you're shopping around, acti is a reasonable manufacturer
[17:34:05] * fliptop checks ingram micro
[17:35:18] <fliptop> im doesn't carry them
[17:35:35] * alexbst punst some usd to freebsdfoundation
[17:35:38] <alexbst> punts*
[17:35:54] <alexbst> I should probably punt some to soylent too
[17:35:54] <fliptop> the pisser of it all is the damn level1 dvr requires ie and a buggy activex plugin that crashes all the time
[17:36:02] <alexbst> really loved some of the articles posted recently
[17:36:10] <nick> nothing much lost, just worth considering if you're in the market for a new supplier, they all suck
[17:36:10] <alexbst> quite a few british-focused ones ?
[17:37:01] <nick> pretty much every dvr i've ever used requires activex on clients
[17:37:06] <nick> it's just the rules
[17:37:08] <fliptop> well i'm working on that...
[17:37:17] <nick> oh?
[17:38:00] <fliptop> writing a dvr that pulls rtsp and reencodes (another thing none of the off-the-shelf dvrs seem to do well)
[17:38:21] <alexbst> activex... :D
[17:38:25] <alexbst> korea.
[17:39:34] <nick> that would be pretty nice
[17:39:49] <nick> for work, or a project?
[17:41:40] <fliptop> both, i'm working on 2 different prototypes, one w/ a low-end 2-core cpu and 4gb ram, 1tb hd
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[17:42:03] <fliptop> the other 4-core i5, 16gb ram, 2tb hd
[17:42:09] <fliptop> both fit inside a shuttle box
[17:42:24] <alexbst> btw did you see the comparison if raspberry pi vs 1990s sun workstation ?
[17:42:28] <alexbst> s/if/of/
[17:42:28] <sedctl> <alexbst> btw did you see the comparison of raspberry pi vs 1990s sun workstation ?
[17:42:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Pennsylvania Court Rules that Barring Former Convicts from Nursing Home Work is Unconstitutional - http://sylnt.us - punishment-and-rehabilitation
[17:42:57] <alexbst> eschatologist.net/blog/?p=266
[17:43:02] <nick> fliptop: let me know if i can help with testing or anything
[17:43:12] <fliptop> through much experimentation i've found you need about 1 core per camera
[17:44:00] <fliptop> that's at 10fps, 1024Kb/s, 1280x800 (or so)
[17:44:26] <fliptop> any higher than that the low-end has trouble reencoding a minutes worth of footage in less than a minute
[17:44:41] <fliptop> which is critical
[17:45:10] <fliptop> nick: thanks, i'm still working on it and hope to do another round of journal tutorials
[17:46:08] <nick> that seems like a lot of power, but i can see it on a low end cpu making it unreliable when you have more than one stream
[17:46:50] <fliptop> model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU G2030 @ 3.00GHz
[17:47:05] <fliptop> there's 2 cores on the low-end model
[17:47:44] <nick> recently for me it's been a battle of storage, between a standalone nvr and free software nvr, it's so much data at the highest resolutions
[17:47:47] <fliptop> it doesn't really make it unreliable, it runs consistently around 2.00 load w/ 2 cams
[17:48:11] <fliptop> but no matter the load, if it can't reencode 60 s of footage in less than 60 s it'll never keep up.
[17:48:36] <fliptop> and that's the key, in order to be able to store many months worth of footage on 1tb
[17:49:33] <fliptop> and nothing out there seems to do this well, the expensive level1 dvr stores only about 2 weeks of footage for 12 cams on a 3tb hd
[17:49:55] <fliptop> because its lossless
[17:51:44] <nick> 4TB 2 weeks for '1080p/30fps' over 16
[17:52:14] <nick> at the office i have a 10Megapixel camera, it just eats storage.
[17:52:20] <fliptop> if your dvr reencoded that you could store years worth, albeit lossy
[17:52:39] <alexbst> do you really need 24/7 footage ?
[17:52:46] <alexbst> or can it activate based on motion ?
[17:52:53] <fliptop> not really, but still, some clients want that
[17:53:17] <nick> i do 24/7 with motion on times
[17:53:30] <nick> i have done it so it records are lower res until motion
[17:54:10] <fliptop> that's a good option too, but still the raw footage can be up to 10x bigger than a reencoded ogg file
[17:54:21] <nick> but generally, record 24/7 because you dont want to miss something in a chain of events
[17:54:44] <nick> fliptop: agreed. needing all the TB in the world for a few days storage is not useful at all
[17:55:42] <fliptop> and most of my clients don't trust the cloud w/ their footage
[17:56:08] <nick> i don't know who has the bandwidth to deal with it
[17:57:00] <nick> i had a client that was interested in it, but naturally had the poorest standard of internet.
[17:57:02] <fliptop> speaking of which, have you used the mobile apps for accessing a dvr through a firewall?
[17:57:10] <nick> i have not
[17:57:15] <fliptop> well they suck too
[17:57:30] <fliptop> even the level1 app
[17:58:14] <fliptop> and you know everyone what's that, "i wanna see it while i'm not there..."
[17:58:22] <nick> mobile apps are improving, have not seen ones that say they'll get through the firewall though
[17:58:42] <nick> or do you just mean generally remote access?
[17:58:55] <fliptop> well you have to open a port up in your router, and use ddns if you don't have a static ip
[17:59:09] <nick> with ip cameras you can't really avoid it, people want the technology you're selling.
[17:59:37] <fliptop> true that. but they don't want to pay more than $99 for it
[18:00:04] <nick> ddns solves a lot of issues in my work, have cameras in some sites running over cell networks
[18:00:22] <fliptop> nice
[18:00:55] <nick> local storage, snapshots, 10GB data limit
[18:01:13] <fliptop> i'm gonna get outta here to cut firewood, glad to hear we have something in common
[18:01:27] * nick hat tip
[18:01:37] <nick> have a good evening
[18:02:03] <alexbst> fedoras at dawn eh
[18:02:06] <fliptop> oh, and congratulations to everyone on what i consider a successful year on SN. happy new year!!
[18:02:29] <fliptop> and thanks to the editors for their efforts
[18:02:38] <alexbst> aye fliptop, thanks to the editors too :)
[18:02:55] <alexbst> I've enjoyed the articles... seems more variety and less mainstream, as hoped.
[18:03:35] <fliptop> everyone should be proud of what we've all created. i'll be happy the day i see SN linked in bruce schneier's blog like he currently does /.
[18:04:21] <nick> soylentnews++
[18:04:21] <Bender> karma - soylentnews: 9
[18:04:22] <fliptop> i'm thinking either that day, or the day the staff gets paid, will be when it's "a success"
[18:05:37] <alexbst> to try and avoid needing appease advertisers is the main thing.
[18:05:57] <nick> they can fuck right off
[18:06:41] <nick> news and advertisements should not be in the same space
[18:07:07] <alexbst> I showed my mom what a site without adblock looks like
[18:07:12] <alexbst> she freaked out
[18:07:50] <nick> it freaks me out too, when i use a pc that isn't mine
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[22:42:20] <crutchy> ~time
[22:42:21] <exec> Friday, 1 January 2016 @ 9:42 am GMT+11 - Traralgon VIC
[22:42:43] <crutchy> 2016 kinda feels a lot like 2015
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[22:48:04] <Southside_puto> Que putos Nortenos?
[22:48:14] <Southside_puto> Sur Trece
[22:48:16] <Southside_puto> https://www.youtube.com
[22:48:17] <problematic> ^ 03SURENO SOUTH SIDE 13 TRECE DE POR VIDA FUCK REDFAG PUTO - YouTube
[22:48:54] <crutchy> redfag puto?
[22:49:07] <crutchy> aye focker!
[22:49:23] <crutchy> ~translate puto
[22:49:24] <exec> [google] puto (auto -> en): fucking
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