#Soylent | Logs for 2015-12-13

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[00:26:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Elon Musk and Friends Launch OpenAI - http://sylnt.us - looking-for-skynet
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[00:51:24] <SpallsHurgenson> dance, monkeys, dance!!!
[00:53:24] * chromas does the sit'n'spin
[00:56:41] * SpallsHurgenson claps his hands excitedly, "That's nice, yeah, yeah, yeah! Again! Again!"
[01:00:55] * chromas does the Scrappy
[01:01:40] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[01:01:41] <PointerCache> ^ 03BS2000 - The Scrappy - YouTube
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[01:05:07] <SpallsHurgenson> (and if you catch that reference, you win one small Internet)
[01:27:33] * chromas expends one internet to look up the reference
[01:28:11] <chromas> Ya gotta spend internets to make internets
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[02:05:46] <cmn32480> coffee++
[02:05:46] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1972
[02:06:14] <SpallsHurgenson> that's a six letter word!!!
[02:06:30] <cmn32480> yes... but it is the most important meal of the day!
[02:07:28] <SpallsHurgenson> so we remember not to drink a toxic and foul-tasting cup o' swill? I don't think I need any assistance remembering that!
[02:27:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Anonymous Goes After Donald Trump - http://sylnt.us
[02:30:51] <chromas> Trump responded by creating his own Anonymous, but featuring his name in giant letters across it
[02:32:13] <SpallsHurgenson> I don't think you CAN embarrass Trump; the man has no shame
[02:34:08] <chromas> "With a combover that epic, he could combover the deficit"
[02:35:07] <chromas> .calc 18150000 / 167000000
[02:35:29] <chromas> "Error: Missing expected value in expression."
[02:35:36] <SpallsHurgenson> 0.10868263473053892215568862275449
[02:35:51] <SpallsHurgenson> (give or take)
[02:36:10] <chromas> Looks like I misread Bytram's numbers though
[02:36:49] <SpallsHurgenson> hang your head in shame!
[02:36:50] <chromas> Needed six more zeros; 108682
[02:37:08] * chromas is already hung
[02:37:19] <cmn32480> like a newborn....
[02:37:30] <SpallsHurgenson> zing!
[02:37:45] * chromas looks down at his eyebatch
[02:37:52] <chromas> s/b/p/
[02:37:57] <SpallsHurgenson> cmn332480 sneaks in and comes in for the kill!
[02:38:06] <cmn32480> quick chromas, check your ball hitch!
[02:38:53] <chromas> I'm not married
[02:39:14] <chromas> You're thinking of crutchy
[02:39:14] <Bytram> hence my having stepped through getting the units (trillion vs million) to balance
[02:40:15] <cmn32480> no... that'd be a ball and chain
[02:40:57] <SpallsHurgenson> a British trillion or an American trillion?
[02:41:06] <cmn32480> metric
[02:41:52] <cmn32480> $burrito SpallsHurgenson
[02:41:52] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at SpallsHurgenson
[02:42:39] * cmn32480 wonders why he keeps getting disconnected
[02:42:57] <Bytram> 1 US trillion = 1000 billion = 1000 * 1000 million = 1000 * 1000 * 1000 thousand = 1000 * 1000 * 1000 * 1000
[02:42:57] <SpallsHurgenson> the internet hates you
[02:43:23] <SpallsHurgenson> long scale vs short scale
[02:43:55] <cmn32480> is that assuming that 1 = 1000 or that 1 = 1024?
[02:43:58] <Bytram> do re mi fa sol la ti do
[02:44:06] <SpallsHurgenson> in long scale, every unit larger than a million (billion, trillion, etc) is 1 million of the previous unit
[02:44:07] <Bytram> is that the right scale?
[02:44:31] <chromas> Aren't there some nutter countries that have billion = million million?
[02:44:36] <SpallsHurgenson> that is, 1 billion is 1 million million in the long scale; a trillion is 1 million billion (or a million, million million)
[02:44:37] <Bytram> cmn32480: thousand == kilo
[02:44:57] <Bytram> how does, say, milliard come into it?
[02:45:00] <cmn32480> it has to go on the left scale... the right scale holds the counterweight
[02:45:19] <SpallsHurgenson> well... pretty much all the french and spanish speaking countries use long-scale
[02:45:22] <Bytram> <groan>
[02:45:39] <cmn32480> they are wrong SpallsHurgenson
[02:45:46] <Bytram> splains why I haven't seen it that much
[02:45:53] <Bytram> .
[02:45:58] <Bytram> break time... biab
[02:46:04] <cmn32480> glad you liked it bytram
[02:47:17] <SpallsHurgenson> a milliard is what short-scalers call a billion (1000 million)
[02:47:28] <SpallsHurgenson> guess what a billiard and trilliard are :)
[02:47:45] <cmn32480> damn.... it be rainin' like a cow pissing on a flat rock out there
[02:48:23] <SpallsHurgenson> I don't think I've actually ever witnessed a cow pissing on a rock, flat or otherwise
[02:48:46] <SpallsHurgenson> but if that's your bag, cmn32480, who am I to deny you your kinky fantasies :)
[02:51:09] <cmn32480> https://www.youtube.com
[02:51:10] <PointerCache> ^ 03Cow Urinating - YouTube
[02:51:46] <SpallsHurgenson> you can't make me click that link
[02:52:14] <cmn32480> then I guess you'll never know will you
[02:52:22] <SpallsHurgenson> I can live with that
[02:54:31] <cmn32480> alright then
[02:58:39] <SpallsHurgenson> fine!
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[03:10:58] <cmn32480> ok
[03:11:05] <cmn32480> be that way!
[03:11:10] <SpallsHurgenson> o-kay!
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[03:25:53] <cmn32480|away> night kids
[03:26:49] <cmn32480|away> it's been a long day, I dreampt I was a car muffler last night, and woke up exhausted
[03:27:25] <SpallsHurgenson> <groan>
[03:27:56] <SpallsHurgenson> puns, puns, everywhere puns!
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[04:15:58] <Ethanol-fueled> Another evening in paradise.
[04:16:03] <Ethanol-fueled> Found a jerb though.
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[04:59:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hacked at Sea: Researchers Find Ships’ Data Recorders Vulnerable to Attack - http://sylnt.us
[05:54:23] <crutchy> coffee++
[05:54:23] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1973
[05:58:54] <Deucalion> rage++
[05:58:54] <Bender> karma - rage: 2
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[06:10:38] <crutchy> rage?
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[06:31:29] <Gravis> words are a funny thing. https://soylentnews.org
[06:31:30] <PointerCache> ^ 03SN comment by [02Gravis (4596)] (02Score:2)
[06:32:44] <crutchy> i don't imagine that at all
[06:33:00] <crutchy> don't even know wtf that is. some kinda grunge band i guess
[06:33:56] <crutchy> the closest thing to the devil that i can think of is the potus
[06:34:24] <crutchy> even if he is only representative
[06:36:13] <Gravis> it would be helpful if the summary actually explained what a VDR was. https://soylentnews.org
[06:36:14] <PointerCache> ^ 03SN article: Hacked at Sea: Researchers Find Ships’ Data Recorders Vulnerable to Attack 04(2 comments)
[06:36:37] <Gravis> from what i can tell, it's a https://en.wikipedia.org
[06:36:38] <PointerCache> ^ 03Wiki: Voyage data recorder
[06:36:54] <crutchy> who even bothers to RTFS?
[06:37:01] <Gravis> not a video disk recorder or anything like that
[06:37:14] <crutchy> the trolling... i mean comments... is what counts :p
[06:37:33] <crutchy> maybe its Versatile Data Recorder :D
[06:38:19] <Gravis> well it would be nice if a news monkey fixed it
[06:39:34] <crutchy> we're not the green site. if we wanna know more, we can google
[06:40:08] <crutchy> you can make the call if you wanna though
[06:40:17] <crutchy> use the ~eds command
[06:40:47] <crutchy> hmm. actually i'm not even sure who's in that list anymore. its prolly out of date
[06:41:58] <Gravis> abreviations should never have to be googled. the abbr exists for a damn good reason.
[06:42:04] <Gravis> abbr tag*
[06:42:46] <Gravis> "we're not on the green site" what a load of horseshit! it's not even related!
[06:43:44] <Gravis> you might as well discard all spelling and grammar because "we're not on the green site"
[06:45:06] <crutchy> i meant we're not retards
[06:45:13] <crutchy> of course its related
[06:45:19] <Gravis> "umm... the link wasn't closed in the summary" "well we're not on the green site!"
[06:45:51] <Gravis> crutchy: fuck that retarded logic. it's basics journalism.
[06:45:53] <crutchy> if you care that much, why don't you put your money where your mouth is?
[06:46:23] <Gravis> crutchy: what are talking about? i already fund the site.
[06:46:25] <crutchy> you could end up running the joint
[06:46:40] <crutchy> dude, i mean be an editor :/
[06:46:47] <Gravis> that is literally what "money where you mouth is" means
[06:46:53] <crutchy> no its not
[06:47:01] <Gravis> yes, it's to invest.
[06:47:11] * crutchy sighs
[06:47:17] <crutchy> are all socialists this dumb?
[06:47:39] <Gravis> no, but capitalists fall for it all the time.
[06:48:00] <Gravis> ;)
[06:48:08] <crutchy> informal
[06:48:08] <crutchy> take action to support one's statements or opinions.
[06:48:30] <crutchy> ^ definition of putting ones money where ones mouth is
[06:48:46] <crutchy> its called a figure of speech
[06:49:10] <crutchy> ie not actually about money
[06:50:28] <Gravis> actually, in this case it would be since i would be getting none for my efforts
[06:52:58] <crutchy> ie not actually about money
[06:53:52] <Gravis> though if you enabled wikistyle corrections ability, people could fix stuff like this faster.
[06:54:12] <crutchy> ...or you could put your hand up to be an editor :)
[06:54:35] <crutchy> cos everyone could be trusted with wikistyle corrections lol
[06:55:14] <crutchy> .... frosty piss.... yo mama is so fat... blah blah blah
[06:55:17] <Gravis> crutchy: anonymous people are the problem. just let it be registered users
[06:55:37] <crutchy> that would be better i guess
[06:55:44] <Gravis> and you need a certain level or reputation
[06:55:54] <crutchy> does that mean you're putting your hand up for the dev team? :D
[06:56:10] <Gravis> for perl? nope!
[06:57:04] <crutchy> i'm too lazy to be staff, but i don't expect others to do what i'm too lazy to do myself
[06:57:45] <crutchy> i appreciate the effort they put in
[06:58:21] <Gravis> false dichotomy
[06:59:17] <crutchy> whatever
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[06:59:51] <Gravis> logic
[07:00:22] <crutchy> logic yourself :p
[07:01:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 195 Nations Approve Historic Climate Accord - http://sylnt.us - now-we-gotta-invent-stuff-to-make-it-happen
[07:01:34] <crutchy> from the pointless-politics dept.
[07:05:01] <Gravis> crutchy: you dont think climate change is caused by humans or you don't think it will result in any changes?
[07:05:37] <Gravis> -it+the agreement
[07:05:52] <crutchy> i think humans are causing shitloads of horrible pollution that will cause major problems, but on a global scale we're not as important as we like to think we are
[07:06:23] <crutchy> earth will survive humanity, one way or another
[07:07:09] <Gravis> earth will survive... the occupants of it may not
[07:07:28] <crutchy> maybe some idiot millionaires will lose their beach houses. i honestly don't give a fuck
[07:07:55] <Gravis> crutchy: you dont seem to grasp what it actually means
[07:08:17] <Gravis> it's a much bigger problem than losing the beach front properties
[07:08:20] <crutchy> i know what climate change is. i'm not a denialist. i just don't pretend we have the ability to do anything about it
[07:09:00] <Gravis> crutchy: you underestimate humanity
[07:09:01] <crutchy> even if we completely shut down every single source of industrial pollution, the earth will still do whatever its gunna do
[07:09:22] <crutchy> you're overestimating humanity. maybe its somewhere in the middle. who knows
[07:09:27] <Gravis> crutchy: we can filter CO2 from the air.
[07:09:44] <crutchy> but the climate change debate isn't about pollution. its about the environmental lobby
[07:09:56] <crutchy> you are the denialist
[07:10:10] <Gravis> crutchy: about what?
[07:10:13] <crutchy> its about selling 'green' shit
[07:10:38] <crutchy> or rather, using government to force people to buy 'green' shit
[07:11:37] <Gravis> crutchy: some people will get money from cleaner tech, yes. that doesn't change the fact that pollution is ruining the environment.
[07:12:14] <crutchy> it is, but if pollution were the problem wwe'd be talking about pollution. not climate change
[07:12:25] <crutchy> i do think pollution is a problem
[07:12:30] <Gravis> crutchy: climate change is the direct result of pollution
[07:12:50] <crutchy> no, bad health is
[07:12:53] <swiss> isn't anyone curious to see what new species we'll see after a climate change?
[07:13:41] <crutchy> there are millions of people suffering from pollution RIGHT NOW! and yet the climate morons are arguing about stuff that *might* happen some unspecified time in the future
[07:14:01] <Gravis> crutchy: actually, it's happening now.
[07:14:06] <crutchy> if you care about pollution, talk about pollution already
[07:14:44] <crutchy> you're actually more likely to scare politicians into action by pointing out health issues than some navelgazing
[07:14:45] <Gravis> crutchy: pollution in the air is the biggest problem. pollution in the water is the second biggest.
[07:15:21] <crutchy> health issues are the biggest risk to humanity as a result of pollution. climate change is... who cares
[07:15:33] <crutchy> some ways down the list i guess
[07:16:02] <crutchy> if you address polution and it reduces global warming, then that's a perk
[07:16:09] <Gravis> crutchy: well when you tank the ecosystem and you have nothing to eat, yeah, that's kind of a health issue.
[07:16:16] <crutchy> yes
[07:16:25] <Gravis> crutchy: that is in progress
[07:16:25] <crutchy> so... lets address that
[07:16:31] <crutchy> pfft
[07:16:33] <crutchy> bullshit
[07:17:02] <crutchy> climate change idiots are drowning out those that need the most help
[07:17:27] <crutchy> those same idiots live in the wealthiest countries and are part of the problem
[07:17:30] <crutchy> not the solution
[07:18:11] <Gravis> crutchy: a lot of poor countries can't be helped because their government do not want their people to be helped, only their armies.
[07:18:39] <Gravis> crutchy: corruption is a serious problem
[07:18:46] <crutchy> oh well then lets give more money to solindra and forget about poor countries that are being abused by big corporations
[07:19:34] <crutchy> corruption is *the* serious problem
[07:19:35] <Gravis> a single failure from years ago and that's all you can focus on?
[07:19:45] <crutchy> that problem is rampant today
[07:20:30] <crutchy> the climate change lobby is just that... a lobby
[07:20:53] <crutchy> like auto, energy, agriculture etc... they just want a piece of the taxpayer pie
[07:21:10] <crutchy> and they'll buy off politicians to do it
[07:21:19] <crutchy> there's nothing environmental about it
[07:22:22] <Gravis> it's addressing the issue as a whole. yes, abuse by corporations to another country is bad and should be stopped.
[07:23:08] <crutchy> its ignoring the issue
[07:23:08] <Gravis> crutchy: if the incentive to abuse coutries is taken away, it's still a solution, no?
[07:23:41] <Gravis> crutchy: do tell, what is the issue?
[07:24:20] <crutchy> you said so yourself... corruption, but i also said that health issues are more urgent than climate issues
[07:24:43] <crutchy> if a factory is poisoning a waterway, shut it down
[07:24:52] <crutchy> but nobody cares about those factories
[07:24:57] <crutchy> as long as they get their iphones
[07:25:36] <Gravis> crutchy: i'm all for stopping pollution in china but the problem is not the laws... it's the enforcement of the laws.
[07:26:27] <crutchy> there is no enforcement as long as corruption is rampant
[07:27:32] <crutchy> the authorities are toothless tigers
[07:27:44] <crutchy> because they are simply bought
[07:27:50] <Gravis> crutchy: so are we going to assasinate a shitload of people or just stop doing business with them?
[07:28:05] <crutchy> you won't like my solution
[07:28:28] <Gravis> well... if you solution is to pay them even more, you are probably right
[07:28:35] <crutchy> we should stop subsidizing the polluters
[07:28:56] <crutchy> and allow competition to eliminate them
[07:29:12] <Gravis> i'm not against that
[07:29:37] <crutchy> here's the punch line: it requires reducing the size of government
[07:29:50] <Gravis> how does that equate?
[07:30:09] <crutchy> because governments are corrupt
[07:30:33] <crutchy> they will always subsidize their buddies
[07:30:35] <Gravis> and what... businesses are clean as a whistle?
[07:30:49] <crutchy> businesses have no power other than what they can buy from government
[07:31:34] <Gravis> crutchy: hold on... how is this going to stop the polluting iphone factory?
[07:31:47] <crutchy> because the polluters are being subsidized
[07:32:03] <crutchy> green replacements aren't competitive as long as that happens
[07:32:20] <Gravis> crutchy: what subsidies are they getting?
[07:32:30] <crutchy> lol are you serious?!
[07:32:38] <Gravis> crutchy: are we just sending money to china and japan?
[07:32:48] <crutchy> well, yes there's that
[07:33:03] <crutchy> acctually you are literally sending billions to china and japan
[07:33:16] <Gravis> crutchy: government or consumer?
[07:33:21] <crutchy> both
[07:33:41] <crutchy> but that's not actually the subsidies i was referring to
[07:33:59] <crutchy> the energy lobby is very strong also
[07:34:09] <crutchy> coal power stations get huge subsidies
[07:34:59] <crutchy> again, its because the energy companies buy favors from their buddies in government
[07:35:37] <crutchy> the consumer is the only power on earth that can stop man-made pollution
[07:35:55] <crutchy> but they are being oppressed by their government masters
[07:36:24] <Gravis> a) i do think we should cut fossil fuel subsidies
[07:36:46] <Gravis> b) how is the government funding that chinese iphone factory again?
[07:37:09] <crutchy> you should really look into (b). it was actually hinted in a recent SN article
[07:37:22] <crutchy> about rare-earths
[07:38:06] <Gravis> crutchy: yeah, iphones aren't composed of rare-earth metals
[07:38:17] <crutchy> oh how is the government funding that chinese iphone factory. i'm not sure exacctly
[07:38:31] <Gravis> crutchy: but they are for a certainty?
[07:38:35] <crutchy> haha you think there's no rare earths in phones?
[07:39:00] <crutchy> Gravis, i dunno about iphones. i mentioned iphones in a different context
[07:39:25] <Gravis> crutchy: which RE metals are in an phones?
[07:39:33] <Gravis> -an
[07:39:34] * crutchy sighs
[07:40:06] <crutchy> how about you do some homework on that if you really care about pollution and not just some religious climate movement
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[07:40:41] <Gravis> crutchy: seriously. the speakers are piezoelectric and the vibration is by an induction motor
[07:40:49] <Gravis> crutchy: so which part is RE?
[07:40:55] <crutchy> maybe start with the definition of a rare earth
[07:41:13] <Gravis> crutchy: just name the parts
[07:41:25] <crutchy> just google mate
[07:41:34] <crutchy> its what i would do if i could be fked
[07:41:45] <Gravis> ok... so you dont know
[07:41:50] <Gravis> and you are assuming
[07:41:52] <crutchy> correct
[07:41:59] <crutchy> no. i have read about it
[07:42:07] <swiss> i'm p sure they still use small amounts of gold in the circuitry
[07:42:22] <crutchy> there are all sorts of weird metals
[07:42:23] <swiss> http://www.cnet.com
[07:42:24] <PointerCache> ^ 03Digging for rare earths: The mines where iPhones are born - CNET
[07:42:46] <swiss> Europium, Cerium, neodymium
[07:45:38] <chromas> Alright, you guys. Quit reading and bringing in facts and get back to arguing :)
[07:46:23] <crutchy> chromas++
[07:46:23] <Bender> karma - chromas: 140
[07:46:30] <crutchy> i wasn't even trolling very well
[07:46:33] * crutchy is ashamed
[07:47:28] <Gravis> crutchy: well, i do think we should be recycling all REs but i don't see how we can stop the corruption in china. the best we can do i cut off business relations with them.
[07:47:50] <crutchy> that wont work any more than alcohol prohibition did
[07:48:28] <crutchy> and the corruption is as much in the USA and europe as it is in china
[07:48:39] <crutchy> humans will be human
[07:48:43] <Gravis> crutchy: so how does reducing the government solve the problem with china?
[07:48:44] <chromas> Alcohol prohibition worked. Just like the War on Drugs
[07:48:55] <crutchy> the problem isn't with china
[07:49:02] <crutchy> lol
[07:49:17] <crutchy> chromas, the war on drugs is working. just ask the kkk
[07:49:38] <Gravis> crutchy: so china doesn't have a corruption/pollution problem?
[07:49:39] <chromas> I, for one, can't find a single drug anywhere
[07:49:45] * chromas checks under the couch
[07:50:07] <crutchy> Gravis, china is corrupt, but so is america, so the problem isn't chinese or american. its government in general
[07:50:17] <crutchy> big government
[07:50:21] <chromas> crutchy: s/government/people/
[07:50:21] <sedctl> <chromas> <crutchy> big people
[07:50:24] <chromas> aw
[07:50:31] <crutchy> like yo mama :D
[07:50:44] <Gravis> crutchy: so let's say we fix the US government... how is this going to improve the situation in china?
[07:50:50] <chromas> My mama so fat she ate yo big fat mama
[07:51:05] <crutchy> big government has lots and lots of power/favors to sell to the highest bidder
[07:51:36] <crutchy> it won't fix the situation in china, but it might be leading by example
[07:51:48] <Gravis> OMFG
[07:51:51] <Gravis> /facepalm
[07:51:55] <crutchy> hard to expect china to improve when the pot is calling the kettle black
[07:52:36] <crutchy> i don't expect you to understand. you think mass murder is a solution :p
[07:52:43] <chromas> We'll withhold our fruits and grains until they stop polluting. And we'll hold our collective breath
[07:53:24] * chromas masturfully bates his breath
[07:53:40] <crutchy> nuke em from orbit. its the only way to be sure :p
[07:53:40] <Gravis> crutchy: no, i think stopping pollution on a global scale is more important than a political agenda.
[07:53:52] <crutchy> so drop the climate bullshit
[07:53:58] <crutchy> cos thats the political agenda
[07:54:08] <Gravis> no... it's a matter of survival
[07:54:22] <crutchy> no, its about taxpayer money
[07:54:36] <Gravis> crutchy: to _you_ it's about money
[07:55:34] <crutchy> if you say so dude
[07:56:09] <crutchy> shit. that wasn't very trollish :/
[07:56:10] <Gravis> crutchy: here's what i don't get... if we stop the subsudies to those who pollute, how is reducing the size of the government going to help?
[07:56:18] <crutchy> lmao
[07:56:34] <crutchy> government is the source of the subsidies
[07:56:48] <Gravis> crutchy: so... you want to disband congress?
[07:56:53] <crutchy> oh dear
[07:57:09] <Gravis> crutchy: because they pass the laws for subsidies
[07:57:10] * crutchy gives Gravis a crayon and a helmet :p
[07:57:22] <crutchy> congress doesn't even read the bills they pass
[07:57:39] <Gravis> which should be changed for sure
[07:57:49] <chromas> Shouldn't allow riders and stuff either
[07:57:57] <Gravis> crutchy: which parts of government did you want to do away with?
[07:58:03] <chromas> Someone should make that law by attaching it as a rider to something about to get passed
[07:58:22] <crutchy> Gravis, all the ineffective parts
[07:58:27] <Gravis> chromas: i considered that idea. ;)
[07:58:40] <Gravis> crutchy: could you be more specific?
[07:58:40] <chromas> Just think of the fed as systemd and go from there
[07:59:05] <crutchy> Gravis, well. if the EPA isn't doing anything to reduce pollution, it isn't being very effective is it?
[07:59:19] <Gravis> crutchy: you want to do away with the EPA?
[07:59:36] <crutchy> if it's ineffective, sure why not?
[07:59:41] <chromas> If it weren't for the EPA I'd be out burning tires in the river
[07:59:42] <Gravis> crutchy: you know... to save the environment
[08:00:02] <Gravis> crutchy: what else?
[08:00:03] <crutchy> its prolly not gunna make it any worse
[08:00:18] <Gravis> so disbanned them based on "prolly"
[08:00:21] <Gravis> got it
[08:00:31] <Gravis> crutchy: which other parts
[08:00:37] <crutchy> yeah cos i'd make the decision based on a few seconds of thought
[08:01:06] * chromas moves to get rid of the PETA
[08:01:26] <crutchy> even the threat of disbandment might give them cause to get off their fat asses and enforce the laws they've been mandated to enforce
[08:01:30] <Gravis> crutchy: no no, you have worked this all out. big government bad, so small government good. obviously you have thought about which departments of the government to remove.
[08:01:43] <crutchy> i told you... the ineffective parts
[08:01:55] <crutchy> there are many
[08:02:07] <chromas> the NSA
[08:02:12] <Gravis> congress is the most ineffective right now. -_-
[08:02:17] <chromas> We already have the CIA; NSA is redundant
[08:02:35] <Gravis> crutchy: well just start listing the ineffective ones.
[08:02:47] <Gravis> crutchy: you have obviously thought about this.
[08:02:53] <crutchy> congress is ineffective, but i wouldn't start there. cull the other shit and congress will improve
[08:03:21] <crutchy> reduce the size of government and role of congress will also be reduced
[08:04:02] <chromas> Maybe start with programs instead of depts
[08:04:08] <chromas> Like common core
[08:04:12] <crutchy> yeah that too
[08:04:17] <crutchy> there is lots of waste
[08:04:19] <Gravis> crutchy: you should look into which parts of government are too ineffective and come up with a list of things to cut.
[08:04:28] <crutchy> i don't need to
[08:04:32] <crutchy> i'm not even american
[08:04:40] <crutchy> i have my own government to battle
[08:04:41] <chromas> TSA
[08:05:09] <Gravis> crutchy: ok... so which parts of your government should be cut?
[08:05:46] <Gravis> chromas: yeah, TSA is a failwhale.
[08:05:58] <crutchy> for example, i recently emailed a few of my reps to not send troops to syria. i'm not sure if it made any difference, but in the news today there was a story about how my government is likely to reject US requests for further deployments to syria
[08:06:10] <crutchy> if you sit on your ass and do nothin, nothing will change i guess
[08:06:52] <chromas> it's email, so, probably insta-binned
[08:06:53] <crutchy> but yeah there is a lot of waste here too
[08:06:58] <crutchy> chromas, probably
[08:07:09] * chromas stands up to send emails in order to get the point across more effectively
[08:07:09] <crutchy> but hopefully they had to instabin a lot of email
[08:07:22] <chromas> probably goes to google mail
[08:07:39] <chromas> or outlook.cum
[08:07:49] <crutchy> i like capitalism because consumers vote everyday. don't have to wait years for elections
[08:08:17] <Gravis> crutchy: you keep saying to cut the ineffective parts of government but you are unable to even list them. it causes me to draw the conclusion that your idea are simply dogmatic rather than practical.
[08:08:31] <crutchy> Gravis, there would be no point
[08:08:32] <Gravis> ideas*
[08:08:43] <crutchy> if you really cared you'd look for the answer yourself
[08:09:05] <Gravis> crutchy: you have made the assumption that your government is largely ineffective based on what exactly?
[08:09:26] <crutchy> i would eliminate the dept. of education for example. you are of course going to disagree
[08:09:29] <Gravis> crutchy: because if it's not an assumption then you know which parts are ineffective
[08:09:32] <crutchy> so what's the point
[08:10:05] <crutchy> the dept of education has caused the price of education in america to skyrocket due to guaranteeing of student loans
[08:10:08] <Gravis> crutchy: you ideas are dogmatic. they are not based on reality.
[08:10:29] <crutchy> do you deny that the price of education in america has skyrocketed?
[08:10:38] <crutchy> seems real to me
[08:10:46] <crutchy> maybe its different on planet gravis
[08:11:07] <Gravis> crutchy: the price has skyrocketed due to greed
[08:11:19] <crutchy> well duh
[08:11:45] <Gravis> crutchy: i dont see how the size of the government has caused that
[08:11:52] <crutchy> of course you wouldn't
[08:12:08] <Gravis> crutchy: because i haven't looked into it like you have, right?
[08:12:14] <crutchy> probably
[08:12:30] <chromas> We could eliminate the constitution; it just gets in the way. Resistance = waste
[08:12:50] <crutchy> i read a lot about keynesian and austrian economics
[08:12:59] <crutchy> i find it interesting i guess
[08:13:12] <Gravis> LOL
[08:13:16] <chromas> All the crime dramas tell me that LEOs can get their job done better if they illegally hack into my computer
[08:13:53] <crutchy> the problems in america have been documented in advance by many austrian economists
[08:14:02] <Gravis> chromas: resistance = waste? should we start practicing saying, "sieg heils" now? <_<;
[08:14:42] <chromas> Don't be silly. We speak american
[08:15:07] <chromas> not spanish
[08:15:13] <crutchy> in america its 'oh my gawd!'
[08:15:19] <Gravis> chromas: well i think if we translated it, the modern nazi would say, "sup bro"
[08:15:35] <crutchy> its 'brah'
[08:15:40] <Gravis> lol
[08:15:40] <crutchy> get it right :p
[08:15:50] <chromas> crutchy: that's totally sexist yo
[08:16:01] <chromas> it's a homophone for bra
[08:16:03] * crutchy humps the air
[08:16:16] <chromas> check your privilege mate
[08:16:27] * crutchy is airist
[08:16:28] <chromas> You're oppressing the air
[08:16:40] <chromas> You're microaggressing those poor molecules
[08:16:46] * crutchy goes to his safe space
[08:17:00] <Gravis> crutchy: your ideas about economics are laughable and you should be ashamed.
[08:17:18] <chromas> See there we go. Cut fed funding to any college kowtowing to social justice masturbators
[08:17:26] <crutchy> Gravis, your opinion on my ideas is irrelevant
[08:17:40] <crutchy> but you're welcome to it :p
[08:17:52] <Gravis> only because your ideas are irrelevant
[08:18:21] <crutchy> if my ideas meant anything to you i would be shocked
[08:19:04] <Gravis> if they meant anything to anyone i'd be shocked
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[08:19:16] <crutchy> it doesn't matter
[08:19:24] <Subsentient> Gravis: I'm just gonna say it. 4SHUT THE FUCK UP. We try to keep it civil here. You've attacked me, you've attacked others, and now you've attacked crutchy.
[08:19:24] <Gravis> that's what i'm trying to tell you
[08:19:59] <Gravis> Subsentient: aren't you the one that bitched about "censorship"?
[08:20:00] * Subsentient pulls a Clint Eastwood "Do you feel lucky, punk?"
[08:20:14] <Subsentient> No, that would be Mighty BUzzard
[08:20:24] <crutchy> Subsentient, i don't mind honestly mate. i know i'm right and he's wrong. i'm ok with that :D
[08:20:31] <Subsentient> There's a difference between censoring personal views and halting personal attacks.
[08:20:55] <chromas> Well we haven't gotten to throwing feces yet
[08:21:05] <chromas> $burrito Loggie
[08:21:05] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Loggie
[08:21:05] <Subsentient> crutchy: I'm tired of him being a little self-righteous egomaniacal bitch.
[08:21:12] * crutchy threatens to pull out monty python quotes
[08:21:50] <crutchy> Subsentient, it wouldn't be as fun to argue with him if he weren't
[08:22:16] <Subsentient> It pisses me off to see him acting like that. I mean, at least Ethanol is funny.
[08:22:23] <Gravis> Subsentient: oh yes... i'm going to take over the world because that's just the kind of person i am.
[08:22:26] <crutchy> ethanol is awesome lol
[08:22:39] <chromas> Well there's the solution. Gravis, just be more funny
[08:22:45] <Gravis> Subsentient: funny? he's a racist.
[08:22:49] <crutchy> gravis is ok too. he just has different views
[08:23:02] <Subsentient> Gravis: I remember you once calling me a sociopath, so perhaps it's time to remove the planck from thine own eye before bitching about the sliver in your brother's.
[08:23:02] <crutchy> it would suck if we all thought the same way
[08:23:03] <chromas> Gravis: he's part hispanic, so he can't be racis
[08:23:14] * crutchy commences circlejerking
[08:23:32] <Gravis> Subsentient: are you saying ethonol isn't a racist?
[08:23:42] <Subsentient> Oh he's racist. Also makes genocidal remarks.
[08:23:42] <crutchy> ethonal is human. humans are racist
[08:23:46] <chromas> crutchy: nah it'd be cool. diego makes statement. We all agree. End statement. Next topic
[08:24:02] <Subsentient> But, he tends to create interesting stuff here more than he pisses (most) people off.
[08:24:16] <Gravis> Subsentient: btw... you take please in harming others, so yeah, you are a sociopath.
[08:24:22] <crutchy> to be fair, ethanol was apparently the reason why konomi left
[08:24:24] <Gravis> pleasure*
[08:24:32] <Subsentient> Gravis: What have you done with your life that gives you the right to assume you are of greater virtue and wisdom than others in this room?
[08:24:41] <chromas> Plus if we don't like Gravis disagreeing with us we can just use /ignore
[08:24:46] <Subsentient> Gravis: I take laughter in making people go eww, I don't enjoy causing pain.
[08:24:54] <Subsentient> Tubgirl, goatse, etc
[08:25:10] <crutchy> goatse is tame nowadays
[08:25:18] <chromas> Subsentient: what about mental anguish? /me dials up Bob Loblaw
[08:25:19] <crutchy> now we have motherless
[08:25:32] <Subsentient> crutchy: Yeah well I don't do the terrorist stuff. I just wanna make people go ick, not scar them for life.
[08:25:37] <crutchy> lol
[08:25:47] <crutchy> fair enough :p
[08:25:52] <Gravis> Subsentient: you have a twisted view of reality if you think you aren't harming people.
[08:26:12] * crutchy accuses of posessing rare earths!
[08:26:24] <chromas> Subsentient: dude, tubgirl is a microaggression!
[08:26:38] <Subsentient> Perhaps I am irritating a handful of people. My work with the Omen Project and charitable causes absolves me of my small mischevious streak.
[08:26:47] <Gravis> lol
[08:26:48] <crutchy> yeah. that ass is pointed at the camera. the camera was being microagressed!
[08:26:54] <crutchy> #cameralivesmatter
[08:27:12] * chromas obnoxiously deletes Subsentient's errant "i"
[08:27:14] <Subsentient> That said, I don't show that stuff to groups I imagine will be disturbed by it.
[08:27:29] <Gravis> Subsentient: if you have to prove your "worth" then you have bigger issues to worry about.
[08:27:38] <Subsentient> Gravis: You have yet to prove yours.
[08:27:47] <chromas> Subsentient: :'( my mom died in an accident involving a cup and another woman
[08:27:52] <crutchy> we're all worth a buck o five
[08:27:56] <Gravis> chromas: LOL
[08:28:12] * chromas is traumatized for internet life
[08:28:16] <chromas> life + 70 years
[08:28:25] * crutchy pats chromas' internet
[08:28:47] * chromas 's internet grew three sizes that day
[08:28:59] <crutchy> ew. i didn't mean to pat it *that* way
[08:29:06] <Subsentient> lol
[08:29:11] <Subsentient> Nice one chromas
[08:29:13] <chromas> Say, any of you have about tree fiddy?
[08:29:19] <Gravis> Subsentient: you dont seem to understand, if you feel the need to prove yourself then _you_ have a problem.
[08:29:32] * crutchy looks out the window. there is a big tree out in my back yard
[08:29:46] <Gravis> Subsentient: that applies to everyone
[08:29:50] <crutchy> i think its an oak, not a fiddy
[08:30:09] <Subsentient> Gravis: I feel the need to pay an inherent debt that I feel I was saddled with upon my birth, to pay back, with interest, all the damage caused by the food I ate, the people I hurt, the work I gave my parents.
[08:30:23] <Subsentient> There's a reason I'm an adament vegetarian.
[08:30:36] <chromas> but not vegan right?
[08:30:38] <crutchy> Subsentient, careful you're sounding like a dangerous libertarian
[08:30:45] <chromas> I guess if you were, I'd know for sure :D
[08:30:45] <crutchy> they are terrorists you know
[08:30:49] * Subsentient is a socialist
[08:30:56] <chromas> cheese++
[08:30:56] <Bender> karma - cheese: 11
[08:31:00] <chromas> ++cheese
[08:31:00] <PointerCache> Karma - cheese: 1
[08:31:37] <crutchy> libertarians are almost as dangerous as engineers, cos engineers are always trying to kill people
[08:31:46] <crutchy> with their calculators!
[08:32:00] <chromas> crutchy: you just have to slow down at traffic crossings and watch out for wild animals
[08:32:18] <chromas> Do trains honk a Q in morse code in Oz?
[08:32:20] <crutchy> s/$/ of mass destruction!/
[08:32:20] <sedctl> <crutchy> with their calculators! of mass destruction!
[08:32:24] <chromas> (at crossings)
[08:33:54] <Gravis> Subsentient: so you feel you can balance the scales of your guilt which gives you the "right" the harm others with disturbing imagry.
[08:34:28] <chromas> it's not like he linked to slashdot or something
[08:35:00] <Gravis> chromas: i'm pretty sure he did.
[08:35:48] <chromas> You know, if you stare at SN for a minute then close your eyes, you'll see slashdot
[08:35:48] <Subsentient> Gravis: Harming them would be showing them ISIS related stuff, decapitations, that kind of thing.
[08:36:38] <Gravis> Subsentient: so you assume. that may be your level of tolerance but how can you be sure it's the same for your victims?
[08:36:54] <Subsentient> Gravis: Because 3 year olds don't browse imgur.
[08:37:02] <chromas> May not be appropriate here, but I'd find it amusing if exec had a ~murder script that works like ~g'day, with randomized methods of life removal
[08:37:32] <chromas> they do browser tumblr and twitter though
[08:37:32] <Gravis> chromas: i tried invoking ~murder but it didn't work
[08:37:40] <Subsentient> I got one better.
[08:37:43] <Subsentient> $burrito Gravis
[08:37:43] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Gravis
[08:38:01] <chromas> It'd be cool if the burritos were typed
[08:38:17] <Gravis> Subsentient: you create games with disturbing images as the tileset though.
[08:38:19] <Subsentient> chromas: they are! const char*
[08:38:23] * chromas typecasts $burrito as dead_squirrel
[08:38:34] <Gravis> Subsentient: you want to pretend you aren't hurting people but you are
[08:38:36] <chromas> +_meat
[08:38:37] <Subsentient> Gravis: No, I create games with disgusting images as the tileset.
[08:39:16] <crutchy> Subsentient, i think what gravis is trying to say is that if you link to tubgirl you are responsible for 9/11
[08:39:26] <Subsentient> crutchy: yeah that's what I was getting
[08:39:42] <chromas> that's too vulgar man
[08:39:44] <Subsentient> And I mean, come on, the map was named Goatse
[08:40:00] <Subsentient> it's not like anyone was really surprised
[08:40:09] <chromas> 0.818181818182
[08:40:24] <crutchy> recurring floats are microagressing me!
[08:40:41] <Gravis> Subsentient: if you have to explain yourself, you're already guilty.
[08:40:44] <Subsentient> I'm sad that this South Park season is over.
[08:41:12] <Subsentient> Gravis: By that logic, explain me why you think you are more virtuous and wiser than the others in this chat room.
[08:41:30] <Subsentient> Your ego is so massive that the tides are pulled by it.
[08:42:16] <Gravis> well i do store it in orbit... so makes sense.
[08:42:19] <chromas> Because he issues trigger warnings
[08:42:25] <Subsentient> Gravis: Explain to me what you've done with your life to give you the right to condemn me, a man personally responsible, out of his own volition, motivated by compassion, for saving thousands of animals.
[08:42:48] <Gravis> LOL
[08:42:56] <Subsentient> I'm also preparing to relaunch Omen soon.
[08:43:02] <Subsentient> Writing a new backend server in Python
[08:43:15] <Subsentient> then I'm going to write the GTK+ admin GUI in C++
[08:43:35] <chromas> $gasp
[08:43:48] <chromas> c++ instead of c?
[08:43:48] <Bender> karma - c: 42
[08:43:52] <Gravis> <Gravis> Subsentient: you dont seem to understand, if you feel the need to prove yourself then _you_ have a problem.
[08:43:57] <crutchy> while you're at it, the linux kernel should be rewritten in java
[08:43:57] <chromas> quick, lock that karma
[08:44:18] <Subsentient> Gravis: Those dots don't connect.
[08:44:29] <Subsentient> chromas: C++ because I need to learn it better.
[08:44:32] <Gravis> crutchy: oh i wish someone would do that. i mean, it would prove plenty.
[08:44:41] <Subsentient> And because I might use the vector templates etc
[08:44:44] <chromas> Sure they do; you just have to use cubic splines instead of edges
[08:44:56] <crutchy> Gravis, its cos ellison needs a bigger boat
[08:45:07] <crutchy> he's protecting the world from C# sharks
[08:45:28] <Gravis> Subsentient: i'm saying i have nothing to prove and neither does anyone else.
[08:45:40] <crutchy> but we all like to throw mud :)
[08:45:45] <Subsentient> Gravis: I'm a utilitarian. I take it very seriously. I am the guy who says that if you save your own mother instead of two other women who you never met, you're a murderer.
[08:45:46] <chromas> crutchy: have you investigated Oxygene?
[08:46:02] <chromas> ~g oxygene lang
[08:46:02] <crutchy> is that a supercomputer?
[08:46:03] <exec> [google] www.elementscompiler.com/elements/oxygene/
[08:46:30] <crutchy> lol "this is not your daddy's pascal"
[08:46:34] <Gravis> Subsentient: great, so you have proved yourself a fool. congradulations.
[08:46:35] <crutchy> love it already :D
[08:46:45] <chromas> it's a pascal derivative made especially for dotnet
[08:46:50] <chromas> >:)
[08:46:57] <Subsentient> Gravis: s/grad/grat
[08:47:00] <crutchy> oh
[08:47:03] <Gravis> spell check, ilse five <-- lulz
[08:47:06] * crutchy has a pascalgasm
[08:47:11] <crutchy> chromas++
[08:47:11] <Bender> karma - chromas: 141
[08:47:39] <Gravis> c++ for the win
[08:47:39] <Bender> karma - c: 43
[08:47:48] <Gravis> i love that it keeps track. :)
[08:47:58] <Subsentient> C++ isn't a bad language. It's just uglier than C. That said, I *really* like C.
[08:47:58] <Bender> karma - c: 44
[08:48:23] <crutchy> c++ takes all the god bits of c and shits all over them :)
[08:48:23] <Bender> karma - c: 45
[08:48:35] * chromas feels stare-raped by the Oxygene pricing
[08:48:35] <Gravis> Subsentient: you also like hurting people, so i don't put much stock in what you like.
[08:48:35] <crutchy> actually i have nfi cos i have avoided c++ like the plague
[08:49:09] <chromas> Gravis: when was the last time you saw him advocating xml?
[08:49:13] <Gravis> crutchy: because you dont understand it
[08:49:13] <Subsentient> Gravis: If I've said it once I've said it a vigincentillion times. I don't enjoy hurting people. I'd laugh if someone did that to me too.
[08:49:16] <chromas> Now that would be hurtful
[08:49:33] <crutchy> chromas, its still cheaper than delphi. but then delphi has alwayss been a ripoff
[08:49:45] <chromas> I thought Delphi was free
[08:49:50] <chromas> that's how I got it
[08:49:52] <crutchy> lol
[08:49:55] <Gravis> Subsentient: ok ok... so you take pleasure in other's pain. i get it.
[08:50:03] * chromas demands the right to be not offended
[08:50:04] <Subsentient> Alright, fuck this/you
[08:50:09] <Subsentient> $chanctl ban Gravis
[08:50:09] <aqu4> Ok.
[08:50:11] <Subsentient> $chanctl kick Gravis
[08:50:11] <aqu4> Ok.
[08:50:17] <Gravis> rude
[08:50:21] <crutchy> Subsentient, now now lets not get nasty
[08:50:24] <chromas> well instead of that, we could just change the topic
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[08:50:30] <crutchy> true that
[08:50:41] <crutchy> Subsentient, please don't ban. that's bad form
[08:50:47] <crutchy> xlefay would turn in his grave
[08:50:51] * chromas concurs
[08:50:51] <crutchy> oh that's too soon
[08:50:53] <Subsentient> crutchy: For you. For you only.
[08:51:03] <Subsentient> and chromas
[08:51:08] <Gravis> Subsentient: here's my question, why do you even care?
[08:51:26] <chromas> How about we discuss the gloriousnessosity of using cramfs for software packages
[08:51:35] <crutchy> of systemd as a condiment?
[08:51:37] <crutchy> *or
[08:51:39] * chromas awaits the correction
[08:51:39] <Subsentient> Gravis: Because I try very hard to be a good person, and I even have severe OCD, usually on that topic, and you are causing me *actual* mental pain.
[08:51:49] <Subsentient> I'd be dead without OCD meds.
[08:52:10] <Gravis> Subsentient: it's easy, stop hurting others and i wont be a bother.
[08:52:18] <crutchy> "systemd on a sandwich... because it doesn't taste as bad as vegemite!"
[08:52:28] <chromas> The nice thing about the proportional font I'm using is "OCD" is already sorted by character width :)
[08:52:32] <crutchy> even though vegemite tastes awesome
[08:52:47] <crutchy> vegemite++
[08:52:47] <Bender> karma - vegemite: 7
[08:52:56] <Gravis> crutchy: you say that... but do you have the stomach to back it up?
[08:52:58] <chromas> I think systemd sandwiches are a Japanese thing because it involves tentacles
[08:53:09] <crutchy> Gravis, i eat vegemite regularly. i grew up on it :)
[08:53:19] * chromas uses meatemite
[08:53:24] <Gravis> crutchy: are you sure you didnt' grow /from/ it?
[08:53:41] <Subsentient> What ever did happen to xlefay?
[08:53:48] <Subsentient> I liked him.
[08:54:05] <crutchy> xlefay was cool. i think the NSA snatched him
[08:54:13] <crutchy> or the aliems
[08:54:42] <crutchy> either that or he's still here but simply forgot how to typoe
[08:54:54] <chromas> he's laughing at us
[08:55:06] <chromas> shit, what if Gravis is xlefay in disguise?
[08:55:23] <crutchy> he's training to be a code jedi
[08:55:24] <swiss> xlefay is running the irc server iirc
[08:55:33] <chromas> was
[08:55:33] <crutchy> swiss, s/is/was/
[08:55:33] <sedctl> <crutchy> <swiss> xlefay was running the irc server iirc
[08:55:34] <Subsentient> Gravis: If you think I do that kind of gross-out thing even *frequently*, you're mistaken. It's meant as good fun, ONLY, and I rarely do that.
[08:55:37] <swiss> ah
[08:55:50] <swiss> i remember cause back in the early days i was bitching at him to enable certfp and such :P
[08:55:53] <chromas> from the frown dept
[08:56:07] <crutchy> swiss, its xlefay's server setup. just copied to a SN machine
[08:56:18] <Subsentient> Gravis: Wanna know what I *really* post? http://imgur.com
[08:56:19] <PointerCache> ^ 03TheWhiteRat on Imgur
[08:56:22] <swiss> yeah
[08:56:27] <swiss> he's a cool duder
[08:57:02] <Gravis> Subsentient: honestly, i dont want to know.
[08:57:14] <crutchy> Gravis, there's peanut butter and fur
[08:57:17] <Subsentient> Gravis: Then you'll continue to make incorrect judgements about me.
[08:57:35] <Subsentient> Seeing is believing. You have my word, it's not going to scar you.
[08:58:04] <chromas> Gravis: they're not all bad; for example, here's a profile pic of Subsentient: http://imgur.com
[08:58:05] <PointerCache> ^ 03Please let this be a thing. - Meme on Imgur
[08:58:12] <chromas> shuddup bot
[08:58:16] <Gravis> Subsentient: nope. don't trust you.
[08:58:18] <crutchy> lol
[08:58:22] <crutchy> guiness... maaaaaate!
[08:58:55] * crutchy prefers hatlifter to guiness
[08:59:52] <Gravis> it's "guinness"
[08:59:59] <crutchy> yeah that
[09:00:00] <Gravis> guiness is GUIness
[09:00:08] <chromas> ooh, GUIs
[09:00:23] * crutchy sprays his gui all over the place
[09:00:23] <Gravis> i was like, wtf kind of UI is hatlifter?
[09:00:30] <Subsentient> Gravis: If you refuse to look, then I kindly ask that you shut the living hell up about me until you do.
[09:00:47] <crutchy> hatlifter is a boutique stout
[09:00:56] <crutchy> quite nice
[09:00:58] <Gravis> Subsentient: not until you stop your reign of terror.
[09:01:10] <crutchy> more expensive than guinness though
[09:01:18] <Subsentient> Gravis: I don't have a reign of terror, and you'll realize that once you click that link.
[09:01:45] <crutchy> i think he's referring to the opped bot
[09:01:58] <Subsentient> $chanctl deop aqu4
[09:01:58] <aqu4> Ok.
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[09:02:04] <crutchy> well, my guess
[09:02:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Company Sells Endohedral Fullerenes (Buckyballs) for $167 Million per Gram - http://sylnt.us - 108-kg-would-pay-off-US-national-debt
[09:07:41] <crutchy> chromas, i think the delpage thing is ok. i might just add a function for deleting a page from the file in case someone changes their mind or something
[09:08:17] <crutchy> then hand the reigns over to cmn32480 when he gets back
[09:08:30] <chromas> Then you can start anew with a Delphi bot :D
[09:09:15] <crutchy> haha yeah. already started that. but must admit there are some parts of exec that i dunno how to replicate in delphi (yet anyway)
[09:09:37] <crutchy> php is dirty, but it sure is quick
[09:09:49] <crutchy> well, quick to develop with. not to run :p
[09:09:58] <chromas> it's what makes script languages great
[09:10:04] <crutchy> nod
[09:10:18] <chromas> Are there any script languages with strong typing?
[09:10:42] <chromas> Or compiled with loose typing
[09:11:01] <chromas> maybe that's the difference between 'scripting' and 'programming'
[09:11:17] <Gravis> still hilarious: https://imgur.com
[09:11:18] <PointerCache> ^ 03KEEP ON MOOSIN'! - Imgur
[09:11:52] * chromas clicks; is traumatized
[09:13:13] <chromas> https://imgur.com
[09:13:14] <PointerCache> ^ 03Everytime me and my friends play league - GIF on Imgur
[09:14:43] <Gravis> chromas: https://en.wikipedia.org
[09:14:44] <PointerCache> ^ 03Wiki: Comparison of programming languages ( https://en.wikipedia.org )
[09:14:47] <chromas> don't click this, Gravis: http://imgur.com (trigger warning)
[09:14:47] <PointerCache> ^ 03I'd still fuck it. - GIF on Imgur
[09:14:49] <crutchy> chromas, hack is php with strong(er) typing. its a bit young for me still though. i'm no langophile
[09:15:50] <chromas> I still wonder what buttmagic my desktop firefox has that keeps the wikipedia beg banners from appearing
[09:16:20] <chromas> oh, Gravis, how's the RPC coming along?
[09:16:51] <Gravis> chromas: i got the [de]serialization working
[09:17:01] <crutchy> ooh. Take Shelter (2011) looks like an interesting movie
[09:17:08] <chromas> json or xml? :D
[09:17:15] <crutchy> ^
[09:17:17] <Gravis> chromas: no.
[09:17:20] <crutchy> lol :p
[09:17:52] <crutchy> everyone knows that php serialized strings are The Best (TM)
[09:18:15] <chromas> they are pretty good; they're typed and length-indicated
[09:18:37] <Gravis> chromas: i also found an curious problem with the current C++. you can't do template specialization fro string literals!
[09:18:57] <Subsentient> Gravis: http://imgur.com
[09:18:57] <PointerCache> ^ 03Ribbeted for his pleasure. - GIF on Imgur
[09:19:07] <Gravis> chromas: it will probably be fixed in c++17
[09:20:32] <chromas> just as long as they don't go full retard (trigger warning) like perl 6
[09:20:47] <Gravis> lol
[09:20:56] <Gravis> chromas: here's hoping
[09:21:00] * chromas imagines C++ code running on a jvm
[09:21:08] <Subsentient> oh god
[09:21:16] * Subsentient gets out a crucifix
[09:21:33] <chromas> see, Gravis, and you say Subsentient's one with the disturbing images :)
[09:22:15] <chromas> I know, let's fork perl!
[09:22:27] <Gravis> chromas: i know there is a C++ script interpretter but i don't think it's a full VM... certainly not java though
[09:22:46] <Gravis> -full VM+JIT
[09:23:11] <Gravis> chromas: if you are interested, here's how i did it: https://github.com
[09:23:12] <PointerCache> ^ 03pdtk/serializers.h at master · GravisZro/pdtk · GitHub
[09:23:57] <chromas> I theriouthly need to change the monospace font in firefox; everything's blurry
[09:24:19] <crutchy> ~say <#> tama, chromas is a perl forker!
[09:24:26] <Gravis> chromas: theriothly!
[09:24:38] <Gravis> theriouthly!*
[09:24:58] <crutchy> his fork is called Perl Necklace
[09:25:11] <crutchy> its like rails is to ruby
[09:25:19] <crutchy> trying to get girls into programming :D
[09:25:28] <Subsentient> lol
[09:25:39] <chromas> it has a feature called Mexican Butterfly. I put it there for the SJWs to bitch about
[09:25:41] <Subsentient> https://www.youtube.com
[09:25:43] <PointerCache> ^ 03Splooj - Nickelodeon 90's Commercial Spoof - YouTube
[09:26:41] * chromas remembers when they used to dump splooge on kids on nick
[09:27:01] <crutchy> its good for the skin maybe
[09:27:17] <chromas> Vitamin S
[09:27:21] * crutchy uses shampoo everyday
[09:27:43] <crutchy> feels like i'm washing my hair with splodge
[09:28:46] <Subsentient> https://www.youtube.com
[09:28:48] <PointerCache> ^ 03KoRn - Twisted Transistor Lyrics (UNCENSORED) - YouTube
[09:30:18] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[09:30:20] <PointerCache> ^ 03Shawn Wasabi - Marble Soda - YouTube
[09:30:29] <chromas> Musics to code to
[09:30:44] <crutchy> dunno why i been liking that mashup lately. very happy boppy
[09:30:45] <chromas> Poor YouTube
[09:31:11] <crutchy> sounds better through the enahancer winamp dsp
[09:31:22] <chromas> Poor WinAMP
[09:31:36] <chromas> At least the original devs are still cool
[09:32:27] <Subsentient> Good music for feeling the glory of your new code. https://www.youtube.com
[09:32:27] <PointerCache> ^ 03Carry the Sun - YouTube
[09:42:03] <crutchy> this one still near the top of my playlist: https://www.youtube.com
[09:42:04] <PointerCache> ^ 03Euphoric Trance 11 - YouTube
[09:44:09] <crutchy> actually that whole damn album is pretty good
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[09:52:02] <crutchy> this sounds good with ambience: https://www.youtube.com
[09:52:02] <PointerCache> ^ 03Euphoric Trance 15 - YouTube
[09:52:13] <crutchy> very similar i guess
[10:13:12] <Gravis> stuff by "Carbon Based Lifeforms" is good for coding
[10:21:02] <crutchy> lol. shitbags! http://imgur.com
[10:21:02] <PointerCache> ^ 03Tokyo police using drone to hunt down the illegally flying drones - GIF on Imgur
[10:21:22] <crutchy> machines hunting machines :D
[10:22:25] <crutchy> lmao http://i.imgur.com
[10:23:04] * chromas looses a (drone-hunting)-drone-hunting drone
[10:27:39] <crutchy> i get plenty of free drones from my missus
[10:27:46] <crutchy> she drones on and on
[11:34:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Rare 'Flasher' Squid Caught on Video With 'High Beams' On - http://sylnt.us - he-forgot-the-trenchcoat
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[13:17:21] <cmn32480|away> coffee++
[13:17:21] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1974
[13:18:29] <nick> pineapple_juice++
[13:18:29] <Bender> karma - pineapple_juice: 1
[13:18:57] <cmn32480|away> whatever gets you rolling in the morning
[13:19:16] <SirFinkus> just don't drink an entire pot of coffee
[13:19:16] <nick> water++
[13:19:16] <Bender> karma - water: 27
[13:19:20] <cmn32480|away> as a heads up - I'm gonna be MIA for the next 12-16 hours.
[13:19:36] <cmn32480|away> the wedding may turn into going back to my uncle's house after and God knows where it ends from there
[13:25:34] <SirFinkus> I'd say have fun, but wedding suck
[13:26:42] <nick> i disagree with the obligation
[13:27:48] <nick> if people want to get married and all that business, make a big deal out of it, that's cool.
[13:36:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Gigster Wants to be the Uber of Software Developers - http://sylnt.us - and-when-they-increase-the-lease-rates...
[13:40:56] <Gravis> you know... if the zombie apocalypse went down today, i think i'd be ok.
[13:41:46] <nick> would probably get out of going to work tomorrow if it did
[13:42:35] <SirFinkus> in a "resigned to my fate" sense, or an "I've got an armored zombie killmobile" sense?
[13:43:21] <Gravis> SirFinkus: killmobile
[13:43:48] <SirFinkus> aim for the head, you have to sever the spine
[13:46:51] <Gravis> SirFinkus: well... i've gotten in pretty decent shape recently, so if i needed to run a few miles, i could without feeling like i was going to have a heart attack.
[13:46:52] <nick> too many people in this damn city, at least half are already zombies, just not the aggressive type
[13:47:12] <SirFinkus> congrats, I'm in winter mode so I'd probably be fucked
[13:47:29] <SirFinkus> bike's all packed up for the winter
[13:48:50] <nick> what sort of bike?
[13:48:54] <Gravis> SirFinkus: yeah... but being in decent shape, creative and capable of building weapontry... it's trifecta.
[13:48:57] <Gravis> +a
[13:49:13] <SirFinkus> idk, just a normal bike I guess
[13:49:18] <SirFinkus> nothing fancy
[13:49:23] <SirFinkus> some trek thing
[13:49:31] <SirFinkus> forgot the model name
[13:50:16] <SirFinkus> best way to get around in the summer, also the best shtf vehicle imo
[13:50:55] <SirFinkus> mechanically simple, man portable, increased cargo capacity and range over just walking
[13:51:11] <SirFinkus> no fuel required either, aside from food
[14:00:38] <nick> sounds good, fuel is important
[14:00:42] <nick> food or otherwise
[14:01:06] <SirFinkus> food is easier to get than refined petrochemicals
[14:01:24] <nick> i have enough transport and cargo capacity, limited fuel storage though
[14:01:26] <nick> quite right
[14:01:32] <Gravis> SirFinkus: fixed gear?
[14:01:39] <SirFinkus> nope
[14:01:47] <Gravis> SirFinkus: then not that simple
[14:02:02] <SirFinkus> simple enough that I can understand how it works and fix it
[14:02:28] <Gravis> sure... until the chain breaks
[14:02:49] <SirFinkus> chains break on fixed gears too, not sure I understand your point
[14:03:24] <Gravis> SirFinkus: yeah... but what about completely geared fixed gear? :)
[14:03:33] <Gravis> no chain non-sense
[14:03:50] <SirFinkus> I wasn't aware those existed
[14:04:26] <SirFinkus> I've never had a chain break on me, and I've racked up the miles
[14:04:46] <SirFinkus> I think the biggest issue would be the tires
[14:05:00] <SirFinkus> that's what would fail first most likely, or the brakes
[14:07:40] <SirFinkus> a good alternative transportation option would be a canoe or something, but that's more of a one-time relocation thing
[14:09:11] <AndyTheAbsurd> bikes are great
[14:09:12] <Gravis> SirFinkus: it would be good if you had to live on fish
[14:09:48] <AndyTheAbsurd> I've got an Electra Townie that I've put 350+ miles on since mid-October
[14:10:01] <SirFinkus> can't beat the cargo capacity either really, and the speed if you have a decent river
[14:10:44] <SirFinkus> disadvantages are that you're exposed and you can't really bring it with you if you don't have a body of water
[14:10:57] <SirFinkus> and if you capsize, you lose a lot
[14:11:11] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: yeah... you'd get shot just for looking dumb on one of those. :P
[14:11:45] <SirFinkus> another disadvantage of the bike is impotence, after all, you have to repopulate
[14:12:11] <AndyTheAbsurd> Gravis: yeah but I'm upright so I can actually look around me. Unlike those people on so-called "road bikes" that have their face toward the asphalt and the butt way up in the air...
[14:12:46] <Gravis> oh you people and your wacky rolling machines
[14:13:13] <AndyTheAbsurd> also you can so take your canoe/kayak with you on a bike: http://www.dumb-stick.com
[14:13:14] <PointerCache> ^ 03www.dumb-stick.com bicycle tow bar for towing your kayak,canoe,grocery cart or golf clubs behind your bicycle.
[14:16:02] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: not common even in the zombie apocalypse.
[14:16:46] <SirFinkus> https://en.wikipedia.org this is a good zombie bike
[14:16:51] <PointerCache> ^ 03Wiki: Swiss army bicycle
[14:18:51] <Gravis> forget rolling, i'll be flying. :P https://youtu.be
[14:18:52] <PointerCache> ^ 03Flying like a bird | part 14/14 - YouTube ( https://www.youtube.com )
[14:19:38] <SirFinkus> oh, I remember this fake shit
[14:25:36] <Gravis> SirFinkus: the idea is interesting enough that it'll get worked out eventually.
[14:25:53] <SirFinkus> the energy requirements don't pan out
[14:25:59] <SirFinkus> our muscles aren't strong enough
[14:26:21] <Gravis> i'm saying it would be human powered
[14:26:33] <Gravis> at least not fully
[14:26:48] <SirFinkus> there have been a few human powered aircraft, but they don't have a very good range
[14:27:35] <Gravis> SirFinkus: you just need a better human. :)
[14:29:57] <Gravis> SirFinkus: but come on... if they can make jetpacks work in a mere 75 years, i don't see reason they can't make something similar for winged flight
[14:31:32] <SirFinkus> well, if we're allowed as yet nonexistent transportation methods for the zombie apocalypse, I'll take a death star
[14:32:48] <Gravis> SirFinkus: but... that's where the outbreak starts... <_<;
[14:33:48] <Gravis> SirFinkus: what do you think they do on the death star? make new ways to kill people. it's there that the zombie virus is invented
[14:34:35] <SirFinkus> engineering humans to be strong enough for wings sounds closer to causing zombies to me
[14:35:07] <Gravis> SirFinkus: or just engineer artificial muscles. -_-
[14:36:55] <Gravis> SirFinkus: we're humans, we will do it.
[14:37:23] <Gravis> SirFinkus: your lack of faith is disturbing.
[14:39:17] <SirFinkus> I'll have you know I'm immune to force choking
[14:40:08] <takyon> ~submit http://www.theguardian.com
[14:40:37] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[14:41:26] <SirFinkus> exec being a slowpoke again
[14:41:52] <takyon> as long as it works
[14:41:54] <takyon> see you later
[14:42:22] <chromas> Submissions are slow because of sn anti-flood
[14:42:49] <chromas> /anti-spam
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[15:16:41] <AndyTheAbsurd> I checked the odometer on my cyclocomputer; I'm actually at 415 miles on that bike.
[15:19:07] <SirFinkus> I got up to 3k before I ran out of batteries and lost my readings, haven't bothered replacing
[15:19:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> I've only had this bike since October 9th
[15:19:46] <SirFinkus> not bad
[15:20:18] <AndyTheAbsurd> But I've been using it to commute to work daily (5.6 miles in, 6-something back due to usually taking a different route)
[15:20:32] <SirFinkus> yeah, that adds up fast
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[16:08:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Server Reboots Again for Xen Updates - http://sylnt.us - if-at-first-you-don't-sucseede
[17:25:30] * SirFinkus is bored and waiting for torrents to finish
[17:32:38] <SirFinkus> I think the site could use a better way of notifying users of server disruptions, the news story was already bumped below "the fold" and the sidebar message is easy to miss
[17:39:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Developers Working to Get FM Radio Function Enabled in BQ Ubuntu Phones - http://sylnt.us - no-static-at-all
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[18:56:12] <Soyboi> https://soylentnews.org
[18:56:13] <PointerCache> ^ 03SN Submission by HughPickens.com: Luke Skywalker, Terrorist: A Jedi's Path to Jihad
[18:56:21] <Soyboi> dept line?
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[20:02:59] <chromas> SirFinkus: like a giant banner with Deucalion's face? :D
[20:03:27] <SirFinkus> we're not lastmeasure
[20:03:28] <chromas> "If we all bought one subscriptions, the server would be back up in 3 minutes"
[20:03:56] <SirFinkus> we want people to come back, I'd assume
[20:11:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Governator's Republican-Proof Argument to Climate Change Deniers - http://sylnt.us - a-Republican-speaking-sense-to-other-Republicans-and-others
[20:26:26] <chromas> I guess Skynet figured out (is going to find out) all it has to do is send back a talkinator to preserve its life
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[21:52:59] <chromas> "Walt Disney was a 33rd degree Freemason. Joseph Stalin of Russia and other Tyrants throughout history had that same prestige of freemasonry. The way it works is that the higher the degree the closer of a relationship you have with Satan. His influence on children has been drastic."
[21:53:15] <swiss> hue
[22:12:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Lie Detecting Software Uses Video from Trials, Claims 75% Accuracy - http://sylnt.us - just-check-if-they-are-horizontal
[22:16:11] <chromas> That's 75% more than we had before
[22:16:24] <swiss> ha ha ha
[22:17:16] <SirFinkus> 25% more
[22:17:21] <SirFinkus> computers can flip coins
[22:17:40] <chromas> Oh yeah
[22:17:52] <chromas> 50% chance you'r lying
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[23:26:42] <Gravis> arg... why did they have to go with APK? http://www.alpinelinux.org
[23:26:43] <PointerCache> ^ 03about | Alpine Linux
[23:41:19] <Gravis> this is an example of why i'm not a fan of GNU: http://blog.hostilefork.com
[23:41:20] <PointerCache> ^ 03c : Where the printf() Rubber Meets the Road