#Soylent | Logs for 2015-12-08
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[00:24:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mozilla Admits Financial Benefits of Pocket Integration - http://sylnt.us - out-of-pocket-expenses
[01:13:30] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[01:18:11] <Bytram> !uid
[01:18:11] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5979, owned by brodrigues
[01:18:46] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[01:18:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> 21 to go
[01:19:11] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: whazup buzz?
[01:19:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> just done eatin some dinner and cinnamon rolls
[01:20:18] <Bytram> nice
[01:20:29] <Bytram> oh yeah, dinner. Mine should be ready by now... brb
[01:20:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah but now i wanna go lay down and it's too early
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[01:23:53] <Bytram> back
[01:23:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[01:24:03] <Bytram> what did you mean by '21 to go' ??
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[01:24:53] <Bytram> http://go.theregister.com
[01:24:54] <BobLoblawLawBot> ^ 03Nokia, ARM, Enea craft new TCP/IP stack for the cloud • The Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
[01:25:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> because the old one wasn't working?
[01:27:15] <Bytram> idunno. am reading now.
[01:28:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> think ima get myself an adult beverage and watch some kim possible. that's just how i roll.
[01:29:52] <Bytram> rock on!
[01:30:49] <BadCoderFinger> Hi guys
[01:30:58] <Bytram> rock on!
[01:31:13] <Bytram> BadCoderFinger: g'day!
[01:31:44] <BadCoderFinger> Hey Bytram, how are you?
[01:32:10] <Bytram> good, but more than a bit tired
[01:32:26] <BadCoderFinger> I know that feeling well!
[01:32:39] <Bytram> holiday hours mean, for me, much earlier in the AM to be at work.
[01:32:53] <BadCoderFinger> Ouch.
[01:33:24] <Bytram> could be worse, I *am* a morning person... I'd rather be a work at 8 / 7 / or 6am than have to work until midnight!
[01:33:58] <BadCoderFinger> Heh. My hours tend to be late. Bites, but I'm a contractor, so they're billable hours.
[01:35:10] <Bytram> I work retail. they extend store hours so as to get more people shopping who otherwise might not be able to get into the store what with kids and work and all.
[01:35:59] <Bytram> timr to do the dishes. brb
[01:43:22] <Bytram> back
[01:45:13] <BadCoderFinger> That was quick, heh!
[01:46:05] <Bytram> didn't want to waste time that I could be here, instead!
[01:46:06] <Bytram> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[01:46:07] <BobLoblawLawBot> ^ 03McAfee Security Manager lets anybody bypass managers' security • The Register
[01:46:13] <chromas> "user-space networking is designed to get TCP/IP out of the kernel space"
[01:46:31] <chromas> dbus is still trying to get into the kernel
[01:46:55] <Bytram> chromas++ insightful
[01:46:55] <Bender> karma - chromas: 136
[01:47:37] * chromas runs off to rewrite the internet to use dbus everahwhere
[01:48:10] <BadCoderFinger> Wait, MacAfee is still being sold?
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[01:48:35] <Bytram> sadly, yes. It's part of the boot-up-process on all my registers at work. :/
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[01:49:04] <Bytram> and given the responsiveness (or lack thereof) recently, it doesn't just sit there dormant, either.
[01:49:16] <Bytram> whether or not it does something useful is another question alltogether.
[01:49:37] <BadCoderFinger> I don't know what it does with all those CPU cycles, but it's not finding viruses or watching security holes.
[01:50:24] <Bytram> Designated CVE-2015-8024, the bug covers “McAfee Enterprise Security Manager (ESM), Enterprise Security Manager/Log Manager (ESMLM), and Enterprise Security Manager/Receiver (ESMREC) 9.3.x before 9.3.2MR19, 9.4.x before 9.4.2MR9, and 9.5.x before 9.5.0MR8, when configured to use Active Directory or LDAP authentication sources, allow remote attackers to bypass authentication by logging in with the username 'NGCP|NGCP|NGCP;' and an
[01:50:24] <Bytram> y password”, the advisory states.
[01:51:26] <Bytram> so, by installing a security manager, you get a wide open security hole. FAIL.
[01:51:28] <BadCoderFinger> Oh that is just magic. That's gotta be a deliberate backdoor.
[01:51:54] <Bytram> do not attribute to malice that which can be explained by ignoreance.
[01:52:16] <Bytram> i suspect it was put in for testing purposes and was not removed prior to it getting shipped.
[01:55:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - ICANN Suspends piratebay.org Over Lack of Domain Verification - http://sylnt.us - just-a-simple-arrrrgh-ument
[01:55:58] <cmn32480> bytram++
[01:55:58] <Bender> karma - bytram: 67
[01:56:55] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, there is that. But that is really sloppy.
[01:58:14] <Bytram> oh, no argument there!
[02:01:45] <BadCoderFinger> From a "security company" that's unacceptable. Of course, McAfee is a security company like Nancy Grace is a journalist.
[02:03:13] <Bytram> again, no argument there.
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[02:29:44] <SpallsHurgenson> I hearby declare the money I spent on my roku to be wasted; what a stupid device
[02:33:48] <BadCoderFinger> Hey Spalls
[02:33:50] <SirFinkus> my dad loves his
[02:33:58] <BadCoderFinger> I love my roku.
[02:34:06] <BadCoderFinger> But it's probably not for everybody.
[02:34:46] <SpallsHurgenson> all of the channels require seperate registrations (all in the most annoying ways possible) and almost all of them require seperate pay-for-subscriptions
[02:35:23] <SpallsHurgenson> they even managed to insert adverts into youtube videos (which you can't skip, despite the tantilizing "skip add" button)
[02:36:26] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, I don't use those channels. The youtube one works well enough, but mine doesn't have ads inserted.
[02:36:41] <BadCoderFinger> Just the usual google skippable ads.
[02:36:54] <SpallsHurgenson> I've never seen adverts on youtube, google or otherwise
[02:37:18] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, funny how youtube-dl gets the video without the ads.
[02:37:50] <SpallsHurgenson> I mean, presumably the netflix thing might be nice... but the whole thing wreaks of personal-data-harvesting and nickle-n-diming customers so much I'd rather just use the old XP box I've got hooked up to the tv
[02:38:01] <Bytram> http://go.theregister.com
[02:38:03] <BobLoblawLawBot> ^ 03Six years in the slammer for SilkRoad-skimming secret agent • The Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
[02:39:49] <SpallsHurgenson> (it desn't help that the Roku mobile app absolutely refuses to see the roku device too... using the remote sucks)
[02:44:50] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, I have Hulu for the Mrs., Netflix and youtube for me. There are well over 500 religious channels!
[02:45:21] <BadCoderFinger> Which I've no real use for.
[02:46:23] <BadCoderFinger> I see church as a once-a-week sort of thing at best.
[02:58:43] <chromas> church is free, but it has in-app-purchases
[02:58:48] <BadCoderFinger> Heh!
[02:59:06] <BadCoderFinger> Wait, indulgences are back? I knew it!
[03:00:27] <cmn32480> Back? they never left!
[03:00:42] <Bytram> who?
[03:01:08] <BadCoderFinger> Probably true.
[03:01:14] * chromas buys his way into heaven...
[03:01:27] <chromas> wait a minute, it's all bribing sinners in here!
[03:01:50] <BadCoderFinger> Indulgences? When the Catholic church was basically selling forgiveness for sins (some yet to be committed)?
[03:02:03] * chromas is disappoint; goes to hell
[03:02:05] <BadCoderFinger> There's an app for that!
[03:03:10] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[03:03:16] <exec_> 10Boston, MA, USA - currently 46°F, cloudy, wind N at 8 mph, humidity 51% - Monday cloudy (38°F:55°F), Tuesday cloudy (32°F:43°F), Wednesday partly cloudy (42°F:47°F), Thursday partly cloudy (44°F:54°F)
[03:03:25] <Bytram> ~submit http://www.theregister.co.uk
[03:03:52] <exec_> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[03:05:31] * Deucalion glances around
[03:08:49] * Bytram holds up a mirror for Deucalion to see himself
[03:09:24] <chromas> ooh, hold it an an angle
[03:09:30] * chromas now sees four juggs
[03:09:57] <Bytram> 'Mother, Jugs, and Speed'
[03:15:30] <Deucalion> My word, does my snake hair look bad in this?
[03:17:48] <Deucalion> (mirrored shield Medusa ref there for those that haven't been subject to Greek mythology)
[03:20:01] <chromas> we were looking at your juggs, not your snake ;)
[03:22:35] <Bytram> chromas++ Touche!
[03:22:35] <Bender> karma - chromas: 137
[03:22:38] <Bytram> nograb!
[03:23:02] <BobLoblawLawBot> !grab chromas
[03:23:02] <Bender> Added quote 622
[03:23:15] <chromas> cheating++
[03:23:15] <Bender> karma - cheating: 9
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[03:26:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Shops are Selling Devices with the Replicant Mobile OS Pre-Installed - http://sylnt.us - more-freedom-out-of-the-box
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[03:37:22] <Deucalion> chromas, if you are looking at my juggs in hope of finding juggs.... do not stare at the juggs for that is impossible to see, realise there are no juggs only yourself and your own perceptions.
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[03:39:06] <Deucalion> Wow, that was a terrible paraphrase :D
[03:39:16] <chromas> my own perceptions aren't as perky, though :(
[03:39:55] <Deucalion> Such is life :)
[03:40:50] <SpallsHurgenson> success, got hbogo, showtime and starz to work with the roku... still no go on the mobile app :(
[03:41:42] <SpallsHurgenson> less success trying to get the flatmate to understand the damn thing
[03:41:46] <Deucalion> Something. something, it is best not to devote your entire energy to chasing that which you most desire, instead let it fly away and come back to you.
[03:42:07] <Deucalion> Dark side....
[03:42:19] <SpallsHurgenson> wait... wait... I'm missing something here
[03:42:21] <Deucalion> Had to tack that on there
[03:42:32] <SpallsHurgenson> somebody said something important in this channel, something vital
[03:42:52] <Deucalion> No - just the usual rambling
[03:43:24] <SpallsHurgenson> no... no... I'm pretty sure mention was made of something that I need to focus on
[03:44:19] <Deucalion> Ahh! Yes! You are correct.... your desire to donate to me an entire new PC :D
[03:44:36] <SpallsHurgenson> aha! it was juggs! great jiggly juggs! Booblies! Knockers! Na-nas! Funbags! Tatas! Mammaries! Gazungas! Headlites! Busts! Melons! TITS!
[03:45:59] * SpallsHurgenson demands we have a discussion about these bazungas, these bazooms, these hooters, these sweater-puppies, these cans, these chumbawumbas!
[03:47:50] <SpallsHurgenson> Such an important topic as airbags, bikini stuffers, dairy pillows, duds, sweater stretchers, zeppelins, chesticles should not be allowed to go by uncommented
[03:48:04] <Bytram> no comment
[03:48:36] <Bytram> now is that a comment, or not?
[03:49:29] <SpallsHurgenson> Truly, you have nothing to say aout cans, chesticles, racks, ballons, dirty pillows, jubblies, cha-chas, tee-tees, jubblies?
[03:49:48] <SpallsHurgenson> (erm, I think I used cans twice... replace one with canteloupes)
[03:51:26] <cmn32480> 80085
[03:52:32] <Deucalion> Too late to go all number rank and file
[03:52:38] * SpallsHurgenson gives cmn32480 a milk jug for participating
[03:53:21] * Deucalion gives SpallsHurgenson a kitten - I dare you to say no
[03:53:31] <Bytram> ~weather baltimore
[03:53:33] <exec_> 10Baltimore, MD, USA - currently 46°F, clear with periodic clouds, wind W at 2 mph, humidity 53% - Monday clear with periodic clouds (36°F:56°F), Tuesday mostly sunny (40°F:52°F), Wednesday mostly cloudy (45°F:54°F), Thursday partly cloudy (45°F:58°F)
[03:53:37] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[03:53:39] <exec_> 10Boston, MA, USA - currently 45°F, cloudy, wind N at 12 mph, humidity 56% - Monday cloudy (39°F:55°F), Tuesday cloudy (32°F:43°F), Wednesday partly cloudy (42°F:48°F), Thursday partly cloudy (44°F:55°F)
[03:53:43] <Bytram> ~weather portland, or
[03:53:45] <exec_> 10Portland, OR, USA - currently 57°F, cloudy, wind SW at 9 mph, humidity 82% - Monday rain (54°F:60°F), Tuesday rain (51°F:58°F), Wednesday showers (45°F:52°F), Thursday rain (43°F:48°F)
[03:53:48] <Bytram> ~weather portland, tn
[03:53:51] <exec_> 10Portland, TN, USA - currently 39°F, clear, wind NE at 2 mph, humidity 90% - Monday clear (34°F:57°F), Tuesday sunny (43°F:61°F), Wednesday scattered showers (42°F:58°F), Thursday partly cloudy (48°F:63°F)
[03:53:54] <Bytram> ~weather portland, me
[03:53:57] <exec_> 10Portland, ME, USA - currently 36°F, clear, wind N at 7 mph, humidity 69% - Monday clear with periodic clouds (28°F:53°F), Tuesday partly cloudy (25°F:40°F), Wednesday mostly sunny (36°F:43°F), Thursday scattered showers (38°F:50°F)
[03:54:18] <Bytram> ~weather presque isle
[03:54:19] <exec_> 10Presque Isle, ME, USA - currently 29°F, partly cloudy, wind W at 5 mph, humidity 70% - partly cloudy (19°F:40°F), mostly sunny (21°F:31°F), partly cloudy (27°F:32°F), showers (33°F:38°F)
[03:54:40] <SpallsHurgenson> oooh, kitty!
[03:55:13] <Deucalion> Careful... it'll be up in your roof space before you know it
[03:56:39] <SpallsHurgenson> like I'd stop them. They're in charge here; I know who wears the pants in THIS household :)
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[04:00:12] <Bytram|away> !uid
[04:00:12] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5979, owned by brodrigues
[04:02:59] <cmn32480> everybody except SpallsHurgenson
[04:06:04] * SpallsHurgenson gives cmn32480 an Oreo(tm) brand sandwich cookie for paying attention
[04:06:16] <cmn32480> mmmmm oreo
[04:06:27] <cmn32480> can I get that in lactose free ice cream, please?
[04:06:45] <SpallsHurgenson> that depends on what your reaction to lactose is
[04:07:11] <cmn32480> the horrendous explosive poops
[04:07:37] <SpallsHurgenson> oooh.... have some more milk!
[04:07:47] <cmn32480> lactose free milk
[04:07:58] <SpallsHurgenson> sssssuuuuurrrrreeee!
[04:08:25] * SpallsHurgenson fills up a nice big glass and shoves it in cmn32480s direction
[04:08:38] <cmn32480> 'Mmmmmmmm Lactaind milk!
[04:08:49] <chromas> milk-free lactose
[04:08:52] * SpallsHurgenson tries to stifle his giggles
[04:09:40] * Deucalion goes to jiggle elsewhere.... shit...
[04:09:49] <chromas> ♪Rocket man...♫
[04:10:09] <cmn32480> the poops are so explosive I could probably get liftoff if I am not carful
[04:10:16] <SpallsHurgenson> Jijjlies! Jellos! Bouncers! Balloons!
[04:11:13] * SpallsHurgenson glares at Deucalion, "stop distracting me! I'm trying to torment cmn32480 now!"
[04:11:32] <Deucalion> Oh my word.... there are times I do not want to be surrounded by my common man :/
[04:12:36] <SpallsHurgenson> common: adj. usual, eeveryday, ordinary
[04:12:48] * SpallsHurgenson denies he is in anyway "common"
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[04:14:20] <SpallsHurgenson> well, unless you mean "common: adj. uncouth, vulgar, rough, boorish" :)
[04:14:44] <cmn32480> and on that note... me go sleepytime!
[04:15:18] <SpallsHurgenson> but surely nobody would consider ME to be those things either :)
[04:15:28] * SpallsHurgenson goes back to fantasizing about massive breasts
[04:15:36] <cmn32480> ~gnight spalls
[04:15:38] * exec_ suspiciously offers a buzz saw of $insert_beverage_here to spalls
[04:15:39] <cmn32480> ~gnight SpallsHurgenson
[04:15:40] * exec_ fanatically pours a used franger of g'day juice for SpallsHurgenson
[04:15:54] <SpallsHurgenson> have milky dreams, cmn32480 :)
[04:15:54] <cmn32480> ~gnight everybody_else
[04:15:59] * exec_ cohesively poops a bathtub of NCommander for everybody_else
[04:16:02] <Deucalion> SpallsHurgenson, you can read into my blitherings whatever suits you..... that is your perception.
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[04:17:06] <SpallsHurgenson> oooh! that's just ripe for abuse! :)
[04:19:08] * SpallsHurgenson reperceptualizes Deucalion into a leather gimp-suit
[04:29:08] * SpallsHurgenson envisions a ballgag, pinkfrills, and one hand holding a bottle of Zima and the other a "Vote for Trump" sign
[04:34:01] <SirFinkus> ooooh shit http://www.nethack.org
[04:34:02] <BobLoblawLawBot> ^ 03NetHack 3.6.0: Release Notes
[04:37:28] <SpallsHurgenson> well, there goes productivity
[04:39:34] <chromas> is it 3d yet
[04:39:51] <SirFinkus> yeah, it's a huge patch
[04:39:57] <SirFinkus> looks like crysis now
[04:40:57] <SpallsHurgenson> lots of SSAO and other lighting effects to make that @ sign look super-realistic :)
[04:41:17] <SirFinkus> occulus rift support too
[04:42:34] <SpallsHurgenson> that would explain why the minimum requirements specify two nvidia 980s with 4GB each
[04:43:10] * chromas installs; is blown away by the ascii resolution
[04:43:23] <chromas> ooh; needs unicode
[04:44:08] <SpallsHurgenson> oh god... I just had an image of emoji invading nethack
[04:45:59] <SirFinkus> a roguelike with CJK characters would be neat
[04:46:04] <chromas> 👻
[04:46:11] <SirFinkus> lots more options for monsters
[04:46:26] <SpallsHurgenson> its a bunch of boxes running around through boxes attacking other boxes!
[04:50:24] * chromas chases SpallsHurgenson around with👖
[04:50:41] <SpallsHurgenson> eeep! a 👖+5!
[04:51:08] <chromas> even unicode has pants >:)
[05:02:03] * SpallsHurgenson whimpers in disbelief as he clutches a nearby stanchion for support, "No, that's not true! That's impossible!"
[05:05:02] <chromas> Sir, I'm gonna have to ask you to step away from the stanchion
[05:06:10] <SpallsHurgenson> "You're not my father, you can't tell me what to do!"
[05:11:23] <chromas> No, son, the stanchion killed your father!
[05:12:24] * chromas raises an Out-of_Rejoinders exception
[05:17:15] <SpallsHurgenson> is that one of those statements that's only true from a certain point of view?
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[05:20:29] <chromas> it's from the re-re-re-re-Lucassed dialog
[05:21:16] * SpallsHurgenson shoots first, but not before "re-perceptualizing" chromas in a golden bikini
[05:28:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Study: TV Advertising Falls Globally; Digital Poised to Overtake by End of 2017 - http://sylnt.us - this-story-brought-to-you-by...
[05:30:33] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, what will become of the poor advertising exec? Who shall mourn the fallen marketing director? Why is not more attention being paid to this terrible, oncoming tragedy?
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[07:53:40] <chromas> lol
[07:53:51] <chromas> "When Drug kingpin Joaquin 'El Chapo' excaped from a maximum-security Mexican prison"
[07:54:13] <chromas> He just used an excape code
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[08:41:53] <Gravis> chromas: like this? \p\r\i\s\o\n
[08:42:12] <chromas> there ya go!
[08:42:40] <chromas> You may be the first person to 'excape' prison from irc
[08:44:13] <crutchy> nah all the bars are still there
[08:44:19] <crutchy> its an optical illusion
[08:44:32] <crutchy> he's just tilted his head
[08:44:42] <Gravis> crutchy: nah, you are thinking of \\p\\r\\i\\s\\o\\n
[08:45:15] <crutchy> careful. you might make the irc server excplode
[08:45:34] <Gravis> i live dangerously
[08:46:39] * crutchy offers Gravis some vegemite
[08:48:49] <Gravis> dangerously, not suicidal
[08:49:47] <crutchy> vegemite will put balls on your hair
[08:50:08] <Gravis> eww
[08:51:14] <Gravis> so i managed to reduce the complexity of the signal/slot stuff in my toolkit. :) https://github.com
[08:51:15] <ShittyButthole> ^ 03pdtk/object.h at master · GravisZro/pdtk · GitHub
[08:51:56] <crutchy> lol
[08:52:02] <crutchy> @ ShittyButthole
[08:52:05] <Gravis> for about 10KB, you can have a full event loop
[08:52:26] <Gravis> it's public domain code, so it's good for everything :)
[08:52:39] <crutchy> is it kinda like windows messaging or summin?
[08:52:53] * crutchy clicks
[08:53:08] <chromas> Does it work in Java?
[08:53:09] <chromas> >:D
[08:53:19] <Gravis> crutchy: ehh? https://en.wikipedia.org
[08:53:20] <ShittyButthole> ^ 03Wiki: Windows Messaging
[08:53:38] <crutchy> erm. the other windows messaging
[08:53:48] <Gravis> crutchy: link?
[08:54:09] <crutchy> ~g windows api event messages
[08:54:11] <exec_> [google] https://msdn.microsoft.com(v=vs.85).asp...
[08:54:21] <crutchy> pfft
[08:54:24] * chromas recalls Windows Messaging
[08:54:27] <Gravis> 404 - File or directory not found.
[08:54:46] <Gravis> crutchy: it's like Qt's signals and slots
[08:54:47] <chromas> lol
[08:54:58] <chromas> what kind of uri has ellipses in it?
[08:55:02] <crutchy> https://msdn.microsoft.com
[08:55:04] <ShittyButthole> ^ 03Messages and Message Queues (Windows)
[08:55:19] <crutchy> chromas, one from a dodgy bot that truncates it
[08:55:28] <chromas> you sure it's the bot?
[08:55:31] <chromas> maybe it's google
[08:55:36] <crutchy> hmm yeah it might be google actually
[08:55:38] <Gravis> crutchy: no, it's nothing like that
[08:55:53] <Gravis> crutchy: that's more similar to unix sockets
[08:56:04] <chromas> ipc?
[08:56:12] <Gravis> yes
[08:56:16] <crutchy> its what windows applications (used to?) use to drive events
[08:56:31] <Gravis> oh wow... i didn't realize it was that bad
[08:57:00] <crutchy> its ok. most ide's manage it for you
[08:57:01] <Gravis> crutchy: it's like this: http://doc.qt.io
[08:57:02] <ShittyButthole> ^ 03Signals Slots | Qt 4.8
[08:57:06] <crutchy> also enables ipc
[08:57:16] <crutchy> and hooks
[08:57:40] <Gravis> crutchy: here is the example code and output: https://github.com
[08:57:41] <ShittyButthole> ^ 03pdtk/example.cpp at master · GravisZro/pdtk · GitHub
[08:58:08] <chromas> How does it compare to Boost lib's signal/slut mechanism?
[08:58:22] <chromas> Probably more lightweight I suppose
[08:58:26] <Gravis> chromas: same concept
[08:58:26] <crutchy> "std::cout << "num: " << num << std::endl;"
[08:58:34] * crutchy is reminded why he's not a fan of C
[08:58:35] <chromas> num num
[08:58:41] <chromas> it's cpp
[08:58:49] <crutchy> or that
[08:59:02] <chromas> with their weird stream shit that overloads the bitshift operator for some reason
[08:59:30] <Gravis> chromas: yeah, i wanted something that wasn't bound by some clown's license, so i had to make something from scratch
[09:00:06] <Gravis> chromas: no worries about that... that's just to demo the code.
[09:00:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Pentagon Anti-ISIS Propaganda Campaign Gets 7-Year Greenlight - http://sylnt.us - why-not-just-tell-the-truth?
[09:01:40] <chromas> oh I was bitching about cpp, not your code ;)
[09:05:03] <Gravis> well i'm just glad i worked out all that shit. before i was getting segfaults and at one point some thread safety code caused the binary to ballon from ~5KB to ~20KB D:
[09:05:13] -!- crutchy_ [crutchy_!~crutchy@709-27-2-01.cust.aussiebb.net] has joined #Soylent
[09:06:02] <Gravis> but now, it's all safe and the code/binary is (relatively) small
[09:06:36] <chromas> woohoo
[09:06:42] <chromas> now you gotta replace Qt :D
[09:07:22] <Gravis> not a chance
[09:07:46] <Gravis> Qt is exceptionally extensive in what it covers
[09:07:57] <Gravis> their graphics subsystem is a work of art
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[09:09:43] <Gravis> i just wanted this so i could make some event driven command line programs that wouldn't need another lib or have "YOU MUST USE MIT/GPL/APACHE/etc LICENSE NOW!" bullshit
[09:11:02] <crutchy_> i like unlicense personally
[09:11:11] <Gravis> that's what my code is
[09:12:12] * chromas copies and relicenses it to cc0, then wtfpl
[09:12:19] <crutchy_> cos really when you think about it, all code on the internet is unlicensed anyway. people who use the gpl just like to pretend they have some level of control over their code, when really they don't
[09:12:19] <Gravis> ;)
[09:13:07] <Gravis> crutchy_: the point isn't to control who can use it, the point is to control who can use then redistribute it without releasing the code
[09:13:09] <chromas> well that's true of all 'IP', irredisgardless of the internet
[09:13:34] <crutchy_> chromas, that too eh :p
[09:13:58] <Gravis> it's the "copy" part of copyright that is the issue
[09:14:02] <chromas> it's only illegal if the copyright holder has a pile of money
[09:14:03] <crutchy_> Gravis, yeah. i guess it works if you got lots of cash to splash on lawyers n stuff
[09:14:10] <Gravis> you can keep all the modded copies you want
[09:14:53] <Gravis> chromas: well it's worked enough to keep many router firmwares open
[09:15:56] <Gravis> but vmware is trying to fight it tooth and nail
[09:16:08] <Gravis> they got themselves into a bit of trouble
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[09:17:31] <chromas> I tried vmware once. I had to sign up for email spam. I don't recall if I ever got it working right. I could just be a dunce
[09:17:35] <Gravis> crutchy_: i'm not sure how you do things in AU but in the US we just give people money, not douse them in it. ;)
[09:17:55] <chromas> but it did take awhile to boot up before I could start a vm
[09:19:37] * chromas suspects his connection died
[09:19:44] <Gravis> nope
[09:19:49] <chromas> his -> crutchy_
[09:20:47] <Gravis> now, i need to look into making RPC via IPC easier so that i can dislodge dbus
[09:21:40] <Gravis> that's when the fun will really begin. :)
[09:22:29] <Gravis> that's when i can start replacing the components that comprise systemd with something sane
[09:23:54] <chromas> that's when the fun will really, really begin :D
[09:27:03] * chromas suspects a person could modify journal-file.h and journal-file.c to get text files logs
[09:29:46] <Gravis> chromas: too bad it's a bloat piece of shit
[09:29:59] <Gravis> bloated*
[09:30:06] <chromas> journald?
[09:30:15] <Gravis> among other things
[09:30:24] <crutchy_> i've always wondered why systemd haters didn't take their anger out on dbus
[09:30:49] <Gravis> i didn't like dbus before systemd :P
[09:31:28] <crutchy_> seems like all the systemd dependency has arisen moreso from the all the dependency on dbus
[09:31:58] <crutchy_> it went to shit when dbus introduced a systemd dependency?
[09:32:29] <crutchy_> then suddenly everything had a systemd dependency by virtue of the previous dbus dependency
[09:32:31] <chromas> we could go back to dcop ;)
[09:32:39] <Gravis> crutchy_: i've worked out a decent system using socket files for IPC. still trying to work out the RPC encoding/decoding scheme
[09:32:55] <crutchy_> you could do what exec does :p
[09:33:01] <crutchy_> stdin/stdout
[09:33:07] <crutchy_> pipes++
[09:33:07] <Bender> karma - pipes: 4
[09:33:23] <Gravis> -_-
[09:34:17] <crutchy_> pipes are awesomesauce in linux
[09:34:24] <crutchy_> never been down that road in windows
[09:35:03] <Gravis> but for all the crap people give systemd, it does provide some features that are nice
[09:35:05] <crutchy_> or rather, php's pipes implementation is awesomesauce
[09:35:17] <crutchy_> yeah i dunno what the big deal is
[09:35:25] <crutchy_> bandwagon stuff maybe
[09:35:30] <Gravis> no
[09:35:57] <Gravis> systemd is a fundamental shift in system program design
[09:36:09] <crutchy_> can't be any worse than xorg
[09:36:20] <Gravis> actually... it is
[09:36:39] <Gravis> anyway, i'm going back to the roots
[09:37:21] <Gravis> crutchy_: the shear number of lines in systemd is terrifying
[09:37:46] <crutchy_> pfft. number of lines doesn't mean a whole lot
[09:37:52] <Gravis> crutchy_: but perhaps the biggest issue... it's barely documented
[09:38:07] <chromas> don't look at the manpages
[09:38:10] <Gravis> crutchy_: it does matter when it's >250k lines of code
[09:38:21] <crutchy_> i typically stretch out even the simplest if statement to 3 loc as a convention
[09:38:29] <Gravis> chromas: the internals, not the man page
[09:38:38] <crutchy_> ooh
[09:38:47] <crutchy_> code commenting is dumb
[09:38:55] <chromas> read the source :D
[09:38:58] <chromas> rtfc
[09:39:09] <Gravis> that's what LP says
[09:39:27] <crutchy_> smart guy
[09:39:40] <crutchy_> comments don't tell you anything about what the code does
[09:39:51] <crutchy_> they just tell you what the programme *thinks* the code does
[09:39:54] <Gravis> well it's also why linus says fuck off to then trying to put kdbus in the kernel
[09:40:00] <chromas> whew
[09:40:21] <Gravis> them*
[09:40:22] <chromas> whether dbus sucks or not, no reason to stuff yet another thing into the kernel
[09:40:37] <crutchy_> i doubt torvalds beef is with lack of code commeenting
[09:40:47] <chromas> it's with their attitude
[09:40:50] <crutchy_> he's a pragmatist
[09:41:00] <Gravis> crutchy_: and the lack of documentation
[09:41:11] <Gravis> not code commenting, just documentation
[09:41:30] <crutchy_> why would torvalds give a rats about that?
[09:41:46] <chromas> wow, the man page system sucks donkey balls
[09:41:47] <crutchy_> he reads code
[09:42:04] <crutchy_> like everyone else reads documentation :p
[09:42:26] * crutchy_ hates man pages
[09:42:32] <crutchy_> fucking longwinded garbage
[09:42:48] <chromas> I'm thinking of the numbers
[09:42:52] <Gravis> nothing wrong with man pages, just bad man pages
[09:42:56] <chromas> like man 3 systemctl or whatever
[09:43:04] <Gravis> oid
[09:43:08] <crutchy_> oh yeah i never figured out the bracket number thing
[09:43:08] <chromas> ejaculating pages across different numbered directories
[09:43:09] <Gravis> oi!
[09:43:31] <Gravis> gross, bro
[09:43:47] <chromas> I didn't invent it, G
[09:44:01] <chromas> oh, that works too
[09:44:18] <chromas> I meant it in the "G", "man", "home skillet" sense
[09:44:32] <crutchy_> Gravis is the G
[09:44:38] <Gravis> chromas: didn't invent it? by that logic nothing is off limits
[09:44:52] <chromas> what
[09:44:52] <Gravis> chromas: including murder
[09:44:59] <crutchy_> oh here we go
[09:45:15] <Gravis> which is why i recomend we murder crutchy_
[09:45:15] <chromas> I mean I didn't invent the man page system and it's directory spew
[09:45:25] * crutchy_ snores loudly
[09:45:42] crutchy_ is now known as crutchy
[09:45:43] <Gravis> crutchy_: get up, it's time for you to get murdered
[09:45:53] <chromas> crutchy's protected by snakes and roos
[09:46:04] <crutchy> and guinea pig poo
[09:46:37] <crutchy> and big lightening rods that stick out of the toilet pipe
[09:46:38] <Gravis> i'm certain the snakes will eat those little pigs and maybe go after the roos
[09:46:38] * chromas activates 32-bit protected mode
[09:46:56] <crutchy> safespacectl --start
[09:47:41] <Gravis> crutchy: the joke's on you! you have a non-maskable interrupt line right there on your cpu!
[09:48:06] * crutchy uses crapintosh cpoos
[09:48:26] <Gravis> crutchy: yeah, that's intel x86 chips
[09:48:28] <chromas> Power-PC needs a cumback
[09:48:35] <chromas> and Alpha
[09:48:45] <chromas> dammit, x86 sucks86
[09:48:51] <Gravis> chromas: PPC never died, it just went to IBM
[09:48:52] <crutchy> what did crapintoshes originally run on?
[09:48:59] <crutchy> wasn't x86
[09:49:01] <chromas> Motorola
[09:49:04] <Gravis> chromas: they are now on POWER8 or POWER9
[09:49:26] <chromas> Wasn't power-pc a derivative of power?
[09:49:41] <chromas> or like one's a design and one was the actual implementation or something
[09:49:48] * crutchy remembers those one piece crapintoshes with the little black and white screen
[09:49:51] <crutchy> from school
[09:50:04] * chromas remembers ClarisWorks 3.0
[09:50:05] <Gravis> PowerPC (an acronym for Performance Optimization With Enhanced RISC – Performance Computing, sometimes abbreviated as PPC) is a RISC instruction set architecture created by the 1991 Apple–IBM–Motorola alliance, known as AIM. PowerPC, as an evolving instruction set, has since 2006 been named Power ISA, while the old name naturally lives on, as a legacy trademark for some implementations of Power Architecture based processors, and in
[09:50:05] <Gravis> software package identifiers.
[09:50:44] <crutchy> https://upload.wikimedia.org
[09:50:47] <crutchy> these were cool
[09:51:06] <crutchy> ISA?
[09:51:15] <chromas> even back then they still had one-button mice
[09:51:28] <crutchy> ooh i predict it will evolve into Power PCI
[09:52:09] <chromas> at least they quit doing that dumb shape where you have to hold your hand like a chevron: http://www.nightfallcrew.com
[09:52:12] <Gravis> crutchy: instruction set architecture
[09:52:47] <crutchy> oh yeah i remember those mices too
[09:53:18] * crutchy likes his mices like he likes his bewbs... bigger the better
[09:53:53] <chromas> anything more than a mouthful is a waste
[09:54:02] <chromas> at least for mice
[09:54:02] <crutchy> did claris have something to do with toolbox ii publisher?
[09:54:12] <chromas> dunno
[09:54:19] * chromas only used apples at Skool
[09:54:29] <crutchy> nah it was a windows 3.1 program
[09:54:52] * chromas was on MS DOS 3.3 on a 286 until ~1996
[09:55:04] <crutchy> in the same year i was introduced to turbo pascal i also did toolbook ii publisher
[09:55:16] <crutchy> (at school)
[09:55:52] <crutchy> everyone was getting 286's when i was still using a c64
[09:56:01] * crutchy was so jealous
[09:56:18] <Gravis> did you mean "toolbook ii publisher"?
[09:56:19] <crutchy> "wtf don't they make commander keen for commodore!?"
[09:56:35] <crutchy> err. yeah
[09:56:58] <crutchy> tb50.exe
[09:57:06] <crutchy> lol i still remember the program file
[09:57:10] * crutchy is diturbed
[09:57:14] <crutchy> *disturbed
[09:57:57] <Gravis> "Asymetrix ToolBook II Instructor" has recieved a rating of "fuck you, no stars" :)
[09:58:50] <crutchy> Gravis, http://www.filefacts.com
[09:58:51] <ShittyButthole> ^ 03Toolbook II Publisher - Filefacts.com
[09:59:02] <crutchy> not instructor, publisher
[09:59:31] <crutchy> it was a programming IDE
[09:59:36] <crutchy> pretty cool for its time
[10:00:54] <crutchy> at school we just did basic animation and buttons with event handlers and sstuff
[10:01:46] <Gravis> lol. fuck you, no stars! xD http://cfile240.uf.daum.net
[10:03:10] <crutchy> do you seriously gauge a software package by how many stars it gets on some bumfuck website?
[10:03:13] <crutchy> lol
[10:03:17] <Gravis> oh you guys read korean, right? xD
[10:03:51] <crutchy> its probably so old that nobody has even used it
[10:03:56] <crutchy> on your bumfuck website
[10:04:06] <Gravis> exactly. fuck you, no stars! \o/
[10:04:12] <crutchy> :D
[10:04:24] * chromas is intrigued by this rating system
[10:04:49] * crutchy looks for a subscription button
[10:05:13] <crutchy> damn page didn't even load
[10:05:29] <crutchy> was probably installing a virus into my toilet
[10:05:44] <chromas> better check the log
[10:06:08] <crutchy> damn i already flushed it
[10:06:16] <chromas> buffer->flush();
[10:06:54] <chromas> cpp. cpp p. p, pp, p!
[10:07:25] <crutchy> php is pp when you have a hardon
[10:07:57] <crutchy> ~say <#> tama, crutchy has a php hard on
[10:08:34] <crutchy> if only php was more like pascal, then it wouldn't be so crap
[10:12:01] <Gravis> self taught dog: 5 stars! https://i.imgur.com
[10:12:39] <crutchy> a dog licking box
[10:12:55] <crutchy> wtf is that thing?
[10:13:14] <crutchy> part of an ice dispenser or summin?
[10:13:27] <chromas> yeah, the water side
[10:14:41] <Gravis> oh my dog wishes he could figure out how to get in the car: http://cdn.themetapicture.com
[10:15:24] <crutchy> dog figures out how to reserve entire couch. 5 stars; http://crappypictures.com
[10:16:14] * chromas is disappointed in the lack of animation in that jif
[10:16:19] <crutchy> oh wow i just got a battery warning
[10:16:20] <Gravis> self taught dog that fails: still 5 stars! https://1.bp.blogspot.com
[10:16:27] * crutchy plugs power in
[10:17:07] <crutchy> that ipad probably tastes like vagina -> dog wins
[10:17:12] <chromas> dog needs nose cleaned
[10:21:15] <Gravis> so guys... and ideas on how to serialize a function call and the argument data into a byte array to pass over a socket?
[10:21:20] <Gravis> any*
[10:21:43] <Gravis> don't everyone answer at once. :)
[10:21:44] <chromas> pointers?
[10:22:09] <Gravis> chromas: how will pointers help with IPC?
[10:22:23] <SirFinkus> 30 seconds seems like a rather short time to wait
[10:22:55] <chromas> especially since all the hardcore brogrammers are off doing other thing
[10:22:56] <chromas> s
[10:23:02] <Gravis> SirFinkus: i disagree and you were in suspense for many seconds!
[10:23:20] <SirFinkus> dogs doing dumb things is more my speed
[10:25:06] <crutchy> Gravis, base64
[10:25:36] <crutchy> or rather base64(json_encode( or such'n'such
[10:25:48] * chromas is a bit disappointed that the giant banners on wikipedia didn't last very long
[10:25:52] <Gravis> but first you have to capture the function name and the types
[10:25:52] <crutchy> though i use php'
[10:25:58] <crutchy> s serialize function
[10:26:07] <Gravis> SirFinkus: if it were a serious question, i wouldn't be asking here. :P
[10:26:32] <crutchy> hey we're smrt!
[10:26:38] <SirFinkus> what if it was a serious question about dogs doing dumb things?
[10:26:42] * crutchy lights self on fire
[10:26:50] <chromas> you could steal from libevent
[10:27:09] <crutchy> systemd probably has a serializectl
[10:27:23] <Gravis> chromas: A) libevent is for event loops. B) licensing issues
[10:27:33] <chromas> but it has rpc support
[10:28:12] <chromas> then 'get inspired' by it instead of directly kiping it
[10:28:37] <crutchy> Gravis, if you want your super awesome api thingy to be flexible and useful, it might not hurt to implement some sort of json-compatible lib
[10:29:00] <crutchy> everyone seems to be orgasmic about json lately
[10:29:07] <Gravis> crutchy: that is the worse fucking advice you have had yet. xD
[10:29:27] <chromas> json is far, far, faaarrrr superioror to than xml
[10:29:28] <crutchy> wow. my other advice must have been pretty good
[10:29:28] <SirFinkus> you shouldn't use json for fucking
[10:29:37] <chromas> Bender: grab SirFinkus
[10:29:37] <Bender> Added quote 623
[10:30:12] <crutchy> wait a minute. i don't give advice, so you can't sue me
[10:30:18] <Gravis> chromas: i would never stoop so low as to use xml
[10:30:42] <chromas> except in websites and stuff
[10:30:56] <crutchy> use php's serialization format; it retains type and reference info
[10:31:23] <Gravis> crutchy: yeah... this is more ABI type stuff.
[10:31:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Keurig, Maker of K-cup Coffee Pods, Sold for $13.9 Billion - http://sylnt.us - eco-unfriendly
[10:32:11] * crutchy has to google abi to figure out what gravis is talking about
[10:32:12] <chromas> You'd probably need to turn on whatever rtti/introspection stuff your compiler has
[10:33:29] <crutchy> i dunno how it works, but when i make dlls in delphi i can access entire records and forms between the main app and dll
[10:34:22] <crutchy> must be some kinda shared memory pointy shit goin on there
[10:34:57] <crutchy> oh i guess dlls use same memory anyway
[10:35:05] <Gravis> what i really need is to write a small util to generate code to both send and receive RPCs and a simple way of selecting which functions to export
[10:36:51] <crutchy> so you want one program to call on another program to tell it which functions are available?
[10:37:06] <Gravis> nope
[10:37:12] <Gravis> it either works or ignores it
[10:37:38] <Gravis> none of this introspection bullshit
[10:37:46] <crutchy> good luck. i don't get it :p
[10:38:03] <crutchy> dlls use exports. i dunno what kinda exports you're talking about
[10:38:22] <Gravis> crutchy: that's ok... i wasn't /really/ asking. :P
[10:38:30] <crutchy> :D
[10:38:51] <SirFinkus> gravis just wanted to make sure we all knew how much smarter he is than us
[10:39:13] <crutchy> seems interesting though. i like that you shared it
[10:39:39] <crutchy> everyone has their little niches
[10:40:05] * chromas gives Gravis a participation ribbon
[10:40:43] <crutchy> when exec_'s github feed gets back online maybe we could add gravis' repo
[10:40:52] <crutchy> so we can spy on his progress :)
[10:41:23] <Gravis> SirFinkus: i shared my other stuff that i'm working on, it would be rude to deprive people of what i was planning on next.
[10:41:51] <crutchy> cmn32480|away, exec_ needs a gitbutt account so we can spy again >;-D
[10:42:26] <crutchy> ~github-list
[10:42:27] <exec_> 03arachnist => dsd, repost
[10:42:27] <exec_> 03chromatos => pas
[10:42:27] <exec_> 03cosurgi => trunk
[10:42:27] <exec_> 03crutchy- => conquest, exec-irc-bot, iiterm, ircd, irciv
[10:42:27] <exec_> 03davidtseng => rehash
[10:42:28] <exec_> 03devuan => devuan-baseconf, devuan-keyring, website-debianfork
[10:42:29] <exec_> 03Dhs92 => kosaki-chan
[10:42:30] <exec_> 03dimkr => LoginKit
[10:42:30] <exec_> 03idies => pyJHTDB
[10:42:31] <exec_> 03iwantedue => rehash
[10:42:32] <exec_> 03Lagg => c3-code, dotfiles, steam-swissapiknife, steam-tracker, steamodd, tinyfeeds, userscripts, weechat-scripts
[10:42:33] <exec_> 03lfowles => drunken-bugfixes, jsonbot, shirokuma, tripping-robot
[10:42:34] <exec_> 03marty-b => rehash, slashcode
[10:42:34] <exec_> 03mrcoolbp => slashcode
[10:42:35] <exec_> 03NCommander => rehash, slashcode
[10:42:36] <exec_> 03NSAKEY => happy-dance, not-paranoid-prosody, paranoid-prosody
[10:42:37] <exec_> 03paulej72 => rehash, slashcode
[10:42:38] <exec_> 03pipedot => pipecode
[10:42:39] <exec_> 03SoylentNews => rehash, slashcode, slashcode_vm
[10:42:39] <exec_> 03Subsentient => aqu4bot, bricktick, epoch, nexus, substrings, wzblue
[10:42:40] <exec_> 03TheMightyBuzzard => api-testing, rehash, slashcode
[10:42:41] <exec_> 03trohrt => kosaki-chan
[10:42:42] <SirFinkus> neat
[10:43:15] <crutchy> aw. chromas' php shiz isn't in the list either :(
[10:43:59] <crutchy> that was my way of pinging everyone on the sly
[10:46:06] <crutchy> do you guys have rolled oats in america?
[10:46:16] <SirFinkus> yes
[10:46:23] <chromas> what is this "oats" of which you speak?
[10:47:08] <crutchy> oh now i remember. the milo guy made a joke about how americans had trouble understanding an aussie saying 'rolled oats'
[10:47:17] <crutchy> lol woops
[10:47:33] <chromas> probably the accent
[10:47:36] <Gravis> well that explains something
[10:48:35] <chromas> milo and oats
[10:48:44] <Gravis> crutchy: i think the word you want is "oatmeal"
[10:49:10] <chromas> rolled oats are just flattened oats
[10:49:28] <chromas> kinda looks like a subset of oatmeal
[10:50:17] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[10:50:18] <ShittyButthole> ^ 03Carl Barron at Just for Laughs 2006 - YouTube
[10:57:46] <Gravis> hmm... i think i have this RPC thing figured out
[10:58:30] <Gravis> very ordinary and nothing too fancy, just as it should be.
[10:58:51] * chromas gives Gravis a handy under the table
[11:02:48] <crutchy> Gravis, interfaces are the funnest part of programming
[11:03:13] <crutchy> making things talk to each other beats dodgy ui shat
[11:03:33] <crutchy> ~join #wiki
[11:04:32] <chromas> For each function you want to do rpc on, write a stub version that just serializes its parameters and sends it over the socket
[11:05:05] <Gravis> chromas: that's the plan
[11:05:50] <crutchy> oh you using sockets?
[11:05:58] <Gravis> yep
[11:05:58] <chromas> for ipc
[11:06:03] <Gravis> yep
[11:06:12] <chromas> he's making GravisBus
[11:06:14] <crutchy> could use similar encoding as post data
[11:06:14] <chromas> GBus
[11:06:30] <crutchy> praise JBus!
[11:06:38] <chromas> ew
[11:06:40] <chromas> sounds java-y
[11:06:47] <crutchy> oops
[11:06:57] <chromas> xml-based ipc
[11:07:06] * chromas washes his mouth out with SOAP
[11:07:17] <Gravis> crutchy: no, just normal data packing. no encoding, just length and data.
[11:07:20] * chromas goes blind because Lifebuoy
[11:08:17] <crutchy> might be more accessible if it used a http-compatible message
[11:08:20] <crutchy> but anyway
[11:08:23] <Gravis> chromas: dbus actually is exactly that... xml-based ipc
[11:09:39] <crutchy> actually if you wanna make it really accessible, json is probably the way to go
[11:09:45] <chromas> whut
[11:09:47] <Gravis> crutchy: it shouldn't be accessible to anyone but the program sending and the program receiveing it
[11:10:01] <Gravis> receiving*
[11:10:04] <crutchy> i mean to programmers using other langauges
[11:10:04] <chromas> xml this does not look like http://dbus.freedesktop.org
[11:10:05] <ShittyButthole> ^ 03D-Bus Specification
[11:11:06] <crutchy> if you can make it so that people using your abi don't have to write their own parser, they more likely to wanna use it without throwing darts at you
[11:12:06] <Gravis> crutchy: it will be easy for everyone to use out of the box. that's the whole point of good code.
[11:12:28] <crutchy> heh. that's probably what poettering said :p
[11:13:20] <Gravis> no, LP probably declared everything that existed was total shit and /only/ he could fix it
[11:13:47] <Gravis> except he said it in german
[11:14:03] <crutchy> you're writing a socket-based ipc and you think json is shit
[11:14:08] <chromas> it's weird, because systemd and guhnome should be enemies
[11:14:23] <crutchy> most of gnome has systemd dependencies
[11:14:30] <crutchy> or dbus
[11:14:37] <chromas> guhnome's all about taking away features, while systemd keeps adding them
[11:14:39] <Gravis> chromas: some company is paying for their development
[11:14:46] <Gravis> same*
[11:15:10] * chromas remembers gnome 1. it's been downhill ever since
[11:15:33] * crutchy remembers rh6.0
[11:15:43] <crutchy> that was probably pre-poettering
[11:16:33] <chromas> ooh, Sievers works for Red Hat too now
[11:16:45] <chromas> I bet suse got at least 3× better when he left
[11:16:45] <Gravis> yeah but i'm not happy with GNU either. it's totally non-portable and it's so far beyond POSIX it's sad
[11:17:00] <chromas> is anything posix?
[11:17:12] <crutchy> the directory structure :p
[11:17:13] <Gravis> bash is a tradgedy
[11:17:29] <Gravis> chromas: yes, anything that is a certified unix is a posix
[11:17:39] <chromas> let's all switch to reactos
[11:17:46] <crutchy> Gravis, s/ix//2
[11:17:46] <sedctl> <crutchy> <Gravis> chromas: yes, anything that is a certified unix is a pos
[11:17:52] <crutchy> :p
[11:17:53] <Gravis> :P
[11:18:11] <Gravis> still better than HURD
[11:18:30] * chromas awaits for the s/H/T/
[11:19:41] <Gravis> i like linux and i like the options that GNU gives but i dislike GNU and glibc
[11:20:08] <crutchy> ~weather
[11:20:12] <exec_> 12Traralgon VIC - currently 17°C, partly cloudy, wind W at 24 km/h, humidity 72% - partly cloudy (13°C:27°C), sunny (11°C:26°C), partly cloudy (11°C:26°C), scattered showers (8°C:17°C)
[11:20:16] <chromas> install 9front
[11:20:27] <chromas> or dash
[11:20:33] <crutchy> still feels warm, and its 10.20pm :/
[11:20:50] <crutchy> 'night folks
[11:21:01] <chromas> ~g'night sir
[11:21:03] * exec_ abrasively tosses a toilet bowl of boogers to sir
[11:21:07] <Gravis> later
[11:21:30] <Gravis> but i want is to find/make a replacement for GNU and ditch the remaining bullshit that needs perl
[11:21:43] <Gravis> you know... so i can dump perl for good
[11:21:46] <chromas> which distro?
[11:21:53] <Gravis> debian
[11:21:54] <chromas> for example, debian uses dash by default instead of perl
[11:21:57] <chromas> derp
[11:21:58] <chromas> instead of bash
[11:22:20] <Gravis> yeah... dpkg needs a rewrite
[11:22:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:22:25] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1958
[11:22:40] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: crutchy was totally talkin' shit about you while you were gone
[11:22:48] <chromas> now that he's gone, you have anything to say?
[11:23:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> #socialist crutchy
[11:23:05] <MrPlow> crutchy, you're a socialist!
[11:23:57] <Gravis> saved an entire 10 keystrokes. :)
[11:24:29] <chromas> "Just one thing though. I don't think you know the definition of "misogyny". While it is true that "misogyny" used to mean the hatred of women, it now has a new, more "progressive" definition:
[11:24:29] <chromas> Misogyny: noun /mɪˈsɒdʒ(ə)ni/ The act of disagreeing with a woman at any time while in possession of a penis.
[11:24:29] <chromas> Misogynist: noun /mɪˈsɒdʒ(ə)nɪst/ Any adult human with a penis. *
[11:24:29] <chromas> I hope this clears things up."
[11:24:55] <chromas> *Definitions taken from the Oxford Feminist Dictionary-Third Wave Edition.
[11:25:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya know, you're right. should write tab completion in of all my bot commands
[11:26:25] <Gravis> or just stop being lazy
[11:26:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, established character trait. i'd take an exp penalty for playing against it.
[11:28:07] <Gravis> but if it were anyone else, it should decrease their chance of being able to feed themselves. i get it now.
[11:28:19] <SirFinkus> anyone know lots about copyright?
[11:28:45] <Gravis> SirFinkus: i know plenty. do you have a question?
[11:29:30] <SirFinkus> yeah, my uncle had a lot of musical compositions he wanted made public, I've been digitizing them and I was going to throw up a website with all of them on it
[11:30:02] <SirFinkus> (late uncle btw) I have preliminary permission from my family, and my grandma, who I assume has the rights now
[11:30:25] <SirFinkus> I just want to put it all under creative commons, but make it all legal and all that
[11:30:39] <Gravis> SirFinkus: well probably the best way to protect yourself is to actually register them with the copyright office
[11:30:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, laziness, when properly harnessed, is an incredible creative force and has lead to many, many human advancements. like the automobile and pizza delivery.
[11:31:12] <Gravis> SirFinkus: this would mearly give you the ability to manipulate the copyright in the way you see fit.
[11:31:21] <SirFinkus> well, I don't technically own the rights, I was thinking a notarized letter or something from the person with the rights would be necessary
[11:31:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> sumpin like that would do, yeah.
[11:32:03] * SirFinkus has lots of work ahead of him
[11:32:11] <SirFinkus> like, 5 bankers boxes full of stuff
[11:32:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> registered or not though the copyright will outlive both grandma and you.
[11:32:22] <Gravis> SirFinkus: have the compositions been previously distributed?
[11:32:36] <SirFinkus> I don't believe so
[11:33:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> composer's life plus 70 years, isn't it, Gravis?
[11:33:17] <SirFinkus> https://www.eskimo.com this is all that's online
[11:33:48] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: yes but he is the legal owner of them
[11:34:08] <SirFinkus> it looks like he had a few copies that he distributed to bandmates, but not a lot of people
[11:35:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod, just clarifying the length. hadn't heard if they'd bumped it to life+90 or something
[11:35:35] <SirFinkus> main thing I want is a strong chain of custody of the rights to defend against DMCA bullshit or something
[11:35:40] <Gravis> SirFinkus: any idea if were they ever registered with the copyright office?
[11:35:44] <SirFinkus> it's all gonna be creative commons
[11:35:54] <SirFinkus> no, is there a way to check?
[11:36:26] <Gravis> yes but nothing easy
[11:36:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> easiest way would be to register them and let the copyright office sort for dupes i suppose.
[11:37:28] * SirFinkus is going to need a better scanner
[11:37:33] <Gravis> i agree though the copyright office may let a dupe slide by, i dunno.
[11:38:00] <Gravis> SirFinkus: either way, registering them with the copyright office is the best way to legally defend yourself.
[11:38:07] <SirFinkus> ok, I'll look into it
[11:38:38] <Gravis> SirFinkus: high velocity projectiles are the best way to illegally defend yourself.
[11:38:52] <SirFinkus> works legally too, depending on the situation
[11:39:09] <Gravis> SirFinkus: well, i was thinking more of against a lawsuit
[11:39:28] <SirFinkus> high velocity scary letters are probably better in that case
[11:39:55] <SirFinkus> http://copyright.gov
[11:39:56] <ShittyButthole> ^ 03U.S. Copyright Office - Copyright Searching Tutorial
[11:39:59] * SirFinkus grumbles
[11:40:25] <SirFinkus> LOL
[11:40:28] <Gravis> nuclear weaponry is best if you aren't sure about the exact location of your target
[11:40:38] <SirFinkus> the "webpage"
[11:40:40] <SirFinkus> "This document is a Single File Web Page, also known as a Web Archive file. If you are seeing this message, your browser or editor doesn't support Web Archive files. Please download a browser that supports Web Archive, such as Microsoft Internet Explorer."
[11:41:08] <Gravis> motherfuckers
[11:41:32] <SirFinkus> this looks super outdated
[11:41:34] <Gravis> SirFinkus: PDF seems the better choice
[11:41:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> mind you registering them would cost you money and they don't technically need to be registered if you're putting them out with a permissive license
[11:42:04] <SirFinkus> the tutorial looks like it was for the 2002 version of the site
[11:42:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> registering gets you a few more rights and makes it easier to sue mostly
[11:43:34] <Gravis> SirFinkus: wow... that tutorial is megadated
[11:44:23] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: the issue seems to be erroneous DMCAs
[11:44:29] <SirFinkus> the name being "John Swift" isn't helping things
[11:44:41] <SirFinkus> it probably won't be an issue, but I want this shit ironclad
[11:44:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh
[11:44:53] <SirFinkus> gotta do it correctly
[11:45:10] <SirFinkus> not looking to make money or anything, just going under creative commons
[11:45:23] <Gravis> SirFinkus: if you really want it "correctly" then you should speak to a lawyer about it, just to be sure.
[11:45:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, free legal advice is worth what you pay for it
[11:45:53] <SirFinkus> yeah, I'll have to scrounge up some cash then
[11:45:56] <Gravis> SirFinkus: then after he has helped you, murder him so he can't betray you
[11:46:06] <SirFinkus> can probably pass the hat around next family get together
[11:46:17] <Gravis> #sociopathy
[11:46:33] <chromas> don't forget the "I, ANAL"
[11:46:47] * TheMightyBuzzard nods to chromas
[11:47:05] <SirFinkus> well, thanks for the help, I have a starting point at least
[11:47:13] * Gravis stabs chromas so that chromas cannot betray him
[11:47:31] * chromas just gained a free shiv
[11:47:46] <SirFinkus> it's too late, I already put thallium in the soylent news water supply
[11:47:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> just for the sake of conversation, i still have yet to top Snatch in ease of body disposal. feed em to the pigs.
[11:47:50] <SirFinkus> you're all fucked
[11:47:59] <Gravis> chromas: i said i stabbed you, not shanked you. pfff
[11:48:13] <Gravis> amateur
[11:48:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, water? never touch the stuff.
[11:48:30] <SirFinkus> I prefer the mob tactic of tossing the weighted bodies in the ocean
[11:48:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> fish fuck and shit in that nastiness
[11:48:49] <chromas> Gravis: well, you can't know for sure. You outsourced it via rpc. you only assume the implementation used a knife
[11:48:55] <SirFinkus> fish eat their own shit, and you eat fish TheMightyBuzzard
[11:49:07] <Gravis> chromas: fuck... upgrade your damn client. >:(
[11:49:13] <chromas> he doesn't eat the water though
[11:49:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> right. water gets all cooked off in the hot peanut oil
[11:49:52] <SirFinkus> but anyway, the pigs will leave things like teeth behind
[11:50:02] <SirFinkus> not a problem 10 miles offshore
[11:50:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but you'd need a boat like dexter or me then.
[11:50:51] <SirFinkus> that boat you have doesn't look like a good choice for going 10 miles offshore
[11:51:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> true that. works fine for a couple hundred foot deep lake though.
[11:51:43] * TheMightyBuzzard bought way too much anchor rope
[11:52:03] <SirFinkus> you can never have too much rope
[11:52:33] <chromas> freeze corpse, cube, make chili for church potluck
[11:52:46] <SirFinkus> too messy
[11:52:47] <chromas> give bones to dogs
[11:52:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh, the cartman method
[11:53:02] <SirFinkus> giving the bones to dogs is a terrible idea
[11:53:20] <chromas> I guess people bones are too big
[11:53:24] <SirFinkus> so many murder investigations begin with a dog digging something up and bringing a bone home
[11:53:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> "nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah, made you eat your parrents"
[11:53:26] <chromas> they eat chicken bones though
[11:54:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> chicken bones are bad for dogs. splintery. can get caught in their throat.
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[11:55:05] <chromas> never been a problem, though they're also cooked as part of making stock
[11:55:52] <SirFinkus> shouldn't do that, they can get fucked up pretty easily with a chicken bone
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[11:58:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> right, time for a smoke then get some actual work done on sn coding
[11:58:45] <chromas> "The general rule, however, is that Dogs can eat Raw Chicken Bones but not cooked Chicken Bones."
[11:58:51] <chromas> this is opposite of what Ive read before
[11:59:35] <SirFinkus> I just wouldn't risk it
[12:00:19] * chromas goes back in time ~10 or so years to redo her feeding
[12:00:36] * chromas whips up a batch of dark chocolate, onions and bones for the dog
[12:03:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Finland: Universal Basic Income Planned for Later in 2016 - http://sylnt.us - handouts-instead-of-gov't-jobs-or-worker-owned-cooperatives
[12:09:57] * TheMightyBuzzard snickers
[12:10:13] <chromas> it's alright, you can say "sniggers" here
[12:10:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, i'm hungry
[12:10:38] <chromas> Hungry? Why wait? Grab a Sniggers
[12:26:09] <SirFinkus> snigger lovers
[12:41:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... good ole slashd... introducing forking into what would otherwise be a simple bit of code
[12:42:00] <chromas> should it be rehashd?
[12:44:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> should be but i'm not renaming it
[13:01:20] <cmn32480|away> site down buzzard
[13:01:26] <cmn32480|away> 503 varnish
[13:01:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> woohoo!
[13:02:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> wonder which frontend
[13:03:10] <cmn32480|away> dunno
[13:03:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like hydrogen
[13:03:46] <chromas> SirFinkus: have you seen this? (requires java) https://audiveris.kenai.com
[13:03:47] <ShittyButthole> ^ 03Audiveris - Handbook
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[13:03:59] <cmn32480> fix it yet???
[13:04:12] <cmn32480> YAY!!!!!!!
[13:04:17] <chromas> Is it fixed yet? Is it fixed yet?
[13:04:18] <cmn32480> TheMightyBuzzard++
[13:04:18] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 204
[13:04:20] <chromas> are we there yet?
[13:04:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> fek, mysql is down on it too
[13:04:36] <cmn32480> BOOOM!!!!!!
[13:04:50] <SirFinkus> no, I haven't chromas
[13:04:54] <SirFinkus> I'll investigate
[13:05:02] <SirFinkus> but DA JAVA
[13:05:51] <SirFinkus> my main problem is scanning at the moment, I need to get a scanner that does larger than letter
[13:06:00] <SirFinkus> and doesn't shit the bed every 5 pages
[13:06:04] <cmn32480> how much largert?
[13:06:41] * TheMightyBuzzard scratches his head
[13:06:48] <chromas> Is there a college nearby? Just go snerk into the computer lab (if they still have those)
[13:06:48] <SirFinkus> couple inches, but I just have one of those goofy all in one printers that can only do letter
[13:08:00] <cmn32480> got a friend with a copy machine at work?
[13:08:29] <SirFinkus> yeah, but 5 banker boxes of stuff
[13:08:37] <SirFinkus> that reeks of cigarettes
[13:09:06] <cmn32480> oh
[13:09:07] <SirFinkus> so I'm probably better off just getting a cheapo scanner
[13:09:42] <cmn32480> get one w/ a document feeder
[13:09:43] <SirFinkus> it'd be an imposition to haul all that crap somewhere and take over the copy machine for several days
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[13:09:59] <SirFinkus> it'd probably save me a lot of work, but I wouldn't trust it
[13:10:08] <SirFinkus> these are handwritten originals
[13:11:03] <LoRdTAW> Morning soylentals. Whats up with the 503's? You're forcing me to do actual work here.
[13:11:17] <cmn32480> LoRdTAW - blame the buzzard
[13:11:27] <cmn32480> he swears he's gonna work on it agfter his nap
[13:12:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> blame ncommander actually for not writing an init script for mysqld
[13:12:24] <chromas> it's actually the NSA's MitM script that died
[13:14:11] <LoRdTAW> Ha! I was enjoying my morning browse through the articles, sipping my coffee, thinking out my day and BAM! 503. Dont know what to do now. Suppose I'll shuffle off to the shop floor and fix broken things.
[13:18:06] <chromas> I should probably look at the Arch news. An -Syu just disabled a pile of keys
[13:19:50] <cmn32480> I';;m still getting 503 errors buzzard
[13:20:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, you will be until i get mysql up and working again so i can start the webserver
[13:21:07] <Gravis> mysql? time to move on
[13:23:33] <cmn32480> Gravis, you realize the site is based on an ancient codebase where mysql was the bees knees when it was written and that changing your DB is not a trivial exercise?
[13:23:53] <chromas> poutine could do it
[13:23:55] <chromas> overnight
[13:23:57] <cmn32480> but if you woudld like to contribute by working on the code base, I'm sure that we can find a way for yo to help
[13:24:11] <cmn32480> I don't think it would take him that long
[13:25:02] <chromas> true. one night to talk about it. 272 seconds to timeout from irc
[13:26:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> better?
[13:29:23] <LoRdTAW> better
[13:30:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> enjoy, sorry bout the unexpected downtime.
[13:32:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> well that completely made me lose my place on dev...
[13:34:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Global CO2 Emissions Decline in 2015 - http://sylnt.us - take-a-deep-breath
[13:35:35] <chromas> I knew it! Global warming is a total hoax!
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[14:17:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, done for the day. that lil bit of fun and an argument with a friend who wanted to spout feminist garbage has my brain totally out of the zone
[14:19:33] <chromas> vidya time eh
[14:19:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> in a minute, yeah
[14:20:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com time first though
[14:20:07] <ShittyButthole> ^✓ 03PINK GUY - KILL YOURSELF - YouTube
[14:20:28] <chromas> just had a girl swipe a car just outside my house. she left with a friend. couldn't get her car going because her wheel's stuck rubbing against the wheel well
[14:20:39] <chromas> also broke her mirror. the parked car just got some scratches
[14:20:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeesh
[14:21:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> leave insurance info or just drive off?
[14:21:17] <chromas> they left in another car
[14:21:25] <chromas> so that car's still sitting here, stuck for the moment
[14:21:42] <cmn32480> time to call PD before the tow truck gets there!
[14:21:57] <chromas> I hate calling people
[14:22:37] <chromas> oh look, someone else in the house it up./
[14:22:41] * chromas tags them in
[14:27:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> she's gonna get in a mess of trouble for leaving the scene of an accident
[14:28:33] <cmn32480> and well deserved
[14:28:38] <cmn32480> possibly drunk?
[14:28:57] <cmn32480> was she still in a knee length black dress?
[14:29:02] <cmn32480> drive of shame perhaps?
[14:29:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> thankfully this is not my problem and i shall now play some final fantasy 13
[14:29:22] <chromas> didn't see
[14:30:08] <cmn32480> obviously TMB is having another rough day....
[14:55:48] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[14:55:48] <ShittyButthole> ^ 03Russian "Pawn Storm" expands, rains hell on NATO, air-gapped PCs • The Register
[15:05:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Five Signs that the USA Just Isn't the Country it Used to Be - http://sylnt.us - new-normal
[15:08:11] * AndyTheAbsurd suspects that the USA hasn't ever been the country that we like to think that it was
[15:08:52] <SirFinkus> I guess why they call you andy the absurd
[15:11:23] <AndyTheAbsurd> we're overevolved monkeys on a dirt spaceship circling an enormous ball of hydrogen fusing into helium
[15:11:39] <AndyTheAbsurd> the truth is, I'm the only one that ISN'T absurd.
[15:11:48] <AndyTheAbsurd> But none of you are going to believe me...
[15:12:04] <cmn32480> that assertion is... well... ABSURD!
[15:12:25] <SirFinkus> there you go again, with that crazy helio-centrism again
[15:14:12] <SirFinkus> I'm glad congress is spending my tax dollars well keeping wikipedia up to date
[15:14:12] <SirFinkus> https://en.wikipedia.org
[15:14:14] <ShittyButthole> ^ 03Wiki: The Mountain Goats: Difference between revisions
[15:15:58] <SirFinkus> I've always like No Children https://www.youtube.com
[15:15:59] <ShittyButthole> ^ 03the mountain goats-No Children w/lyrics - YouTube
[15:17:07] <SirFinkus> probably just because I loved moral orel
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[15:17:53] <chromas> good show, old chap!
[15:20:43] <cmn32480> not yet chromas
[15:20:45] <cmn32480> registering him now
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[15:23:33] SoyGuest42854 is now known as cmn32480
[15:26:02] <cmn32480> ~~reload
[15:26:14] <cmn32480> ~reload
[15:26:33] <cmn32480> ~restart
[15:26:35] <exec_> successfully saved buckets file (27.3 kb)
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[15:26:49] <cmn32480> I'll figure out these commands eventually....
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[15:27:27] <cmn32480> ~restart
[15:27:28] <exec_> successfully saved buckets file (18.5 kb)
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[15:27:55] <cmn32480> perhaps if I change the nick in the config file, that'd help.
[15:28:00] <cmn32480> and save it this time too.
[15:28:11] <cmn32480> IT worked!
[15:28:17] <cmn32480> Woo hoooo!
[15:28:34] <cmn32480> now he is really back chromas
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[15:29:00] <cmn32480> damnit\
[15:29:31] <cmn32480> ~restart
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[15:32:39] <cmn32480> ~weather
[15:32:41] <exec> 10Baltimore, MD, USA - currently 44°F / 7°C, sunny, wind NW at 6 mph, humidity 65% - mostly sunny (40°F:53°F / 4°C:12°C), mostly cloudy (44°F:54°F / 7°C:12°C), mostly sunny (44°F:57°F / 7°C:14°C), mostly sunny (47°F:59°F / 8°C:15°C)
[15:35:13] <chromas> woohoo++
[15:35:13] <Bender> karma - woohoo: 9
[15:35:20] <chromas> cmn32480++ ping ;)
[15:35:20] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 28
[15:35:20] <cmn32480> I'm trying
[15:35:56] <cmn32480> crutchy mentioned getting him a github account also. I shall accomplish this as well, maybe today if I can remember that long
[15:36:33] <chromas> Yeah, exec has a script to watch github activity
[15:36:38] <cmn32480> yes he does
[15:37:00] <chromas> I s'pose you've already figured that out :D
[15:37:13] <cmn32480> if only my day job didn't get in the way.. I could have all this fixed already
[15:37:30] <cmn32480> he has _lots_ of scripts....
[15:37:37] <chromas> make an exec script to do your day job :)
[15:37:56] <cmn32480> the customer interaction part would be tough
[15:38:01] <chromas> ew
[15:38:04] <chromas> customers--
[15:38:04] <Bender> karma - customers: -1
[15:38:07] <cmn32480> as woudl the pulling orders part
[15:38:54] <cmn32480> ther is a reason they call them cus tomers
[15:39:41] <chromas> it's because they carry large books :D
[15:41:33] <SirFinkus> how I picture cmn32480 https://www.youtube.com
[15:41:35] <ShittyButthole> ^ 03What would you say...you do here? - YouTube
[15:41:50] <SirFinkus> I'M A PEOPLE PERSON
[15:41:59] <cmn32480> the guy on the left or the guy on the right?
[15:42:09] <SirFinkus> the guy across the table
[15:42:15] <cmn32480> awwww
[15:42:18] <cmn32480> that ain't right
[15:42:33] <cmn32480> I'm not nearly that rotund\
[15:42:55] <SirFinkus> I meant the bitching about customers part
[15:43:02] <SirFinkus> and office space clips are always good
[15:43:46] <SirFinkus> do you have a jump to conclusions mat?
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[15:45:47] <Lumberg> I'm gonna need you to go ahead and come in on Sunday, too.
[15:46:37] <SirFinkus> the pleasure's all on this side of the table
[15:58:14] <cmn32480> I hope your firings go really well
[15:59:20] <AndyTheAbsurd> Not now, Lumberg, I've got a meeting with the Bobs in a few minutes. [Goes back to playing Tetris and eating Cheetos]
[16:06:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Silk Road "Mentor" Arrested in Thailand - http://sylnt.us - looking-for-silkworms?
[16:20:44] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com holy shit, that's one hell of a chase
[16:20:45] <Lumberg> ^ 03Officer involved shooting 12/06/15 - YouTube
[16:22:03] <SirFinkus> WASTED
[16:52:24] <cmn32480> ~rehash
[16:52:31] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file (160 aliases)
[16:52:44] <cmn32480> ~funding
[17:07:59] <everdred> coffee++
[17:07:59] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1959
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[18:07:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Unholy Matrimony: Android on Win10 - http://sylnt.us - emulate-this!
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[18:57:47] <Gravis> ~murder
[18:58:03] <Gravis> cmn32480: you really need to fix the bot. :(
[18:58:17] <cmn32480> the bot?
[18:58:24] <cmn32480> please... be more precise
[18:58:30] <chromas> murder takes time, Gravis
[18:59:08] <chromas> it has to find and stake out your house
[19:00:05] <cmn32480> and please, gravis, define "fix"
[19:00:25] <Gravis> cmn32480: when it... goes. ;P
[19:00:49] <Gravis> best bug report was "it doesn't go"
[19:00:53] <chromas> is the bot peeing in your boots again?
[19:01:36] <Gravis> i mean, i couldn't think of an actual bug report that would be less helpful or informative
[19:01:53] <cmn32480> obviously
[19:01:55] <Gravis> totally non-descript too
[19:02:36] <AndyTheAbsurd> I've seen "bug reports" consisting of "It showed an error message then didn't install". When asked, the user admitted to not having the read the error message.
[19:02:46] <AndyTheAbsurd> This was a QA guy at that company, too.
[19:02:50] * AndyTheAbsurd facepalm
[19:02:54] <cmn32480> as a completely useless bug report, it has been deleted.
[19:03:18] * cmn32480 goes back to his day job.
[19:03:36] <AndyTheAbsurd> I should do that too.
[19:03:37] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: should have closed the report with YOUREFIRED. ;P
[19:04:06] <AndyTheAbsurd> I was a QA guy at that company at the time, to I didn't get to do that.
[19:04:58] <AndyTheAbsurd> But if I had been on the receiving end of that report, I would have it report to his boss with a recommendation that he be fired.
[19:05:31] <chromas> Can you submit a bug report on employees?
[19:05:54] <chromas> Bug: too dumb; didn't read
[19:06:10] <Gravis> really you should because there seems to be a QA issue with the workforce
[19:08:52] <Gravis> hmm... everyone and their moms seems to be on this thread: https://soylentnews.org
[19:08:54] <Lumberg> ^ 03SN article: Five Signs that the USA Just Isn't the Country it Used to Be 04(94 comments)
[19:09:50] <Gravis> or maybe couples of people just bitching at each other
[19:11:16] <takyon> yup
[19:11:23] <takyon> all of the above
[19:12:08] <Gravis> awful lot of politics lately
[19:13:06] <takyon> there's an awful lot happening
[19:13:11] <takyon> the second crypto war
[19:13:14] <cmn32480> you say that as if the political landscape has been a barren wasteland of stories
[19:13:15] <takyon> the 2016 elections
[19:13:55] <takyon> and the rapidfire terrorist attacks
[19:15:01] <takyon> and #blacklivesmatter and the clock kid
[19:15:33] <takyon> and all the "sjw" stuff that escalated after gamergate a year+ ago
[19:16:08] <takyon> syrian war, more aggressive russia, shenanigans in the south china sea
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[19:38:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - GnuPG 2.1.10 Released - http://sylnt.us - getting-better-all-the-time
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[20:18:39] <takyon> http://www.npr.org
[20:18:40] <Lumberg> ^ 03Icelanders Opposed To Government Support For Religion Form A Religion Of Their Own : The Two-Way : NPR
[20:36:17] <takyon> http://www.npr.org
[20:36:18] <Lumberg> ^ 03Solar Technology Is Great — But Right Now It Costs Too Much And Isn't Good Enough : Goats and Soda : NPR
[20:36:27] <takyon> https://www.eff.org
[20:36:28] <Lumberg> ^ 03How the TPP Will Affect You and Your Digital Rights | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[20:37:24] <takyon> http://www.nextplatform.com
[20:37:25] <Lumberg> ^ 03Emergent Chip Vastly Accelerates Deep Neural Networks
[21:06:32] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[21:06:32] <Lumberg> ^ 03IT salary not enough? Want to make £10,000 a DAY? • The Register
[21:10:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - "Nemesis" Bootkit Pwns Payment Processing Firms Running Windows - http://sylnt.us - bootkits-are-the-worst
[21:14:45] <takyon> http://www.futurity.org
[21:14:46] <Lumberg> ^ 03Drug for pets fights ear tumors in rare foxes - Futurity
[21:14:55] <takyon> http://www.futurity.org
[21:35:48] <crutchy> coffee++
[21:35:48] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1960
[21:35:59] <crutchy> workipoos-- # :(
[21:35:59] <Bender> karma - workipoos: -12
[21:36:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> tea++ # need the sugar
[21:36:11] <Bender> karma - tea: 514
[21:36:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> hi, crutchy. bye, crutchy.
[21:36:33] <crutchy> ciao o/
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[21:53:01] <takyon> https://photographyisnotacrime.com
[21:53:02] <Lumberg> ^ 03New York Times Publishes ACLU's Factual Errors, Will They Publish Our Correction? - PINAC
[22:03:14] <takyon> http://www.hpcwire.com
[22:03:15] <Lumberg> ^ 03Titan Helps Researchers Explore Explosive Star Scenarios
[22:07:53] <takyon> http://www.tomshardware.com
[22:07:54] <Lumberg> ^ 03AMD Joins The Immersive Technology Alliance, Alliance VR Council Chair Appointed
[22:08:21] <takyon> http://www.anandtech.com
[22:08:22] <Lumberg> ^ 03The Google Pixel C Goes On Sale
[22:10:00] <cmn32480> freaking comcrap
[22:18:47] <cmn32480> off to home. Back later
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[22:41:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Call to Earth - A Message from the World's Astronauts to COP21 - http://sylnt.us - there-is-only-one-earth