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[00:02:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably, yeah
[00:06:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> sigh, someone went and mod bombed Runaway
[00:06:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> now i gotta ban em from moderating
[00:15:31] <chromas> the mod script could detect that, and put up a banner that says "It looks like you're being a dick." with a picture of Clippit
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[00:16:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> or with a picture of a dick
[00:17:12] <Bytram> you mean Mr Nixon?
[00:17:16] <Bytram> :P
[00:17:18] <chromas> when a user is modbanned, the mod controls can be replaced with a unicode middle finger. or poo glyphs
[00:17:42] <chromas> features fun for the whole family!
[00:17:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> they should be. right now you just don't get given any points
[00:19:22] <chromas> oh, maybe they could be given -1 mod points, which still counts as 0, but puts a poo wherever it would normally show the number
[00:20:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh man, gamergate porn chick just had some mormon types come to her door, so she goes balls out trying to convert them to scientology.
[00:21:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> and no, she's not a scientologist.
[00:22:37] <chromas> the thetaning
[00:22:38] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: when I look at a single comment and see the moderation history, I don't see any rhyme or reason to the ordering... I would expect to see it in chronological order of moderation, newest first 9at the top). Any ideas of what it is doing, or is it just pulling stuff from the DB and you get what you get?
[00:22:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> by uid
[00:23:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> of the moderatee
[00:23:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh wait, nevermind
[00:23:32] <Bytram> yeah, cause that's not what I'm seeing.
[00:23:44] <Bytram> e.g.: https://soylentnews.org
[00:23:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> that was for the mod bomb page
[00:23:46] <exec_> └─ 13SoylentNews Comments | Paris Attacks Plot was Hatched in Plain Sight
[00:23:50] <Bytram> nod nod
[00:24:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> it orders em by first in first out i'm pretty sure
[00:24:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> date/time
[00:24:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> though not really.
[00:24:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> pretty sure it goes by the moderator_log.log_id
[00:25:00] <chromas> they happen to be in the same order as they are in the mod control list
[00:25:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is effectively the same as date/time
[00:25:41] <Bytram> look at the link I posted, what I see is most definitely NOT in any chrono order.
[00:27:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, it's ordering them by the type of moderation first then by chronological order
[00:27:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, no, those three up top being in chronological order was just an accident
[00:28:18] <Bytram> yep.
[00:28:35] * Bytram is trying to figure out which template it is in
[00:29:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> it may not be in a template but don't monkey with it regardless until ya found out if we actually want it changed from being grouped by type of mod.
[00:30:10] <Bytram> nod nod
[00:30:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> man how is it only 6:30?
[00:30:41] <Bytram> when I am trying to reconstruct what all happened with moderation, I sure find it helpful to see things presented in the order they occurred.
[00:30:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmm
[00:31:36] <Bytram> have you ever seen a tablesorter javascript function? I use it all the time in my personal webpages
[00:31:45] * Bytram goes to look for a link
[00:31:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> fair argument but not one i particularly care about just now. bug paulej72 about it see what he thinks.
[00:32:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, it's probably ordered by the sql query. don't you dare go putting javascript on the site.
[00:32:49] <Bytram> lol... I was pretty sure that would get a reaction! thanks for not disappointing me!
[00:33:07] <Bytram> but seriously, an order by clause would be nice.
[00:33:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake Bytram
[00:33:08] * MrPlow smakes Bytram upside the head
[00:33:24] <Bytram> ~say TheMightyBuzzard broke it
[00:33:25] <exec_> TheMightyBuzzard broke it
[00:33:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> it is ordered. by type of moderation.
[00:33:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> but i get what ya mean
[00:33:41] <Bytram> do YOU find that useful?
[00:34:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i find it sorted. i don't care how it's sorted as long as it's sorted.
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[00:34:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> and i only care that much because of my ocd tendencies
[00:34:43] <Bytram> I can see the possible use of it being sorted that way, but I would find temporal ordering to bemuch more useful.
[00:34:44] <chromas> it's a summary instead of a history
[00:36:19] <Bytram> I see that. yes, when a comment has had say, a dozen comments, it is very instructive to watch what happened... 4 up then 2 down, OR 2 up 1 down 2 up 1 down, OR ... you get the idea.
[00:36:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, no, it probably wouldn't be ordered by the sql query. hashes in perl get accessed in a random manner if you just run through the keys.
[00:36:38] <Bytram> excellent point!
[00:36:48] <Bytram> you win your first internet of the evening!
[00:37:11] * TheMightyBuzzard polishes it and puts it over by his cup o booze
[00:39:53] <Bytram> shiny internets are the best
[00:40:02] <Bytram> gonna take a short break... biab
[00:40:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> ditto
[00:49:24] <Bytram> hmmm, might be in template: printCommComments;misc;default
[00:54:24] <Bytram> nope; that does not look like it.
[00:54:53] <Bytram> maybe: printCommentsMain;misc;default
[00:55:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya know, i ain't checked who our top troll is in a while
[00:56:50] <Bytram> how wold you do that?
[00:57:59] <Bytram> modCommentLog;misc;default
[00:58:50] <Bytram> yep, THAT's the one
[00:58:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> write me a quick little perl script n run it on fluorine
[00:59:04] <Bytram> aha, it's not in the ADMIN panel, then?
[00:59:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope
[00:59:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> scuse me whilst I write it
[01:00:59] <Bytram> 'top troll' the person who has had the most 'troll' moderations applied to them?
[01:04:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Space Mission to Test Modified Gravity Model - http://sylnt.us - need-my-magnetic-boots
[01:04:21] <exec_> └─ 13Space Mission to Test Modified Gravity Model - SoylentNews
[01:05:02] <Bytram> modCommentLog;misc;default -- seems to start at line 89:
[01:05:12] <Bytram> [% FOREACH moderation = mods %]
[01:05:29] <Bytram> looks like there is no ordering to it. :/
[01:10:33] <Bytram> Unfortunately, I'm too tired to go any further than that atm.
[01:10:57] <Bytram> I have an early start ahead of me tomorrow and what promises to be a VERY busy day.
[01:11:10] <Bytram> think I'm going to head to bed soon.
[01:11:21] <Bytram> will check story queue, first.
[01:14:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> basically, yeah on the troll thing. i wanna do up a hall of fame for them every now and then.
[01:20:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
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[01:25:38] <SpallsHurgenson> bad news: I lost my laptop last night
[01:25:47] <SpallsHurgenson> good news: I found it on the hood of my car this morning
[01:25:55] <SpallsHurgenson> not sure news: it rained last night :-/
[01:27:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeep
[01:27:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> put it in a big bag of rice. let it set a week.
[01:27:58] <SpallsHurgenson> the bag-of-rice thing has been frequently disproven; it doesn't dry stuff any faster than not having rice
[01:28:44] <SpallsHurgenson> unfortunately, its one of those silly "why would you want to be able to remove the battery" laptops so I can't fully power it down... so its just a matter of waiting and praying
[01:29:14] <chromas> the trick to the rice thing is you have to heat it up
[01:29:44] <SpallsHurgenson> stick it in the oven, right? with the computer already in the bag? :)
[01:30:08] <chromas> put it in a casserole, sprinkle it with herbs and chicken, put in oven at 250° for five hours
[01:30:29] <SpallsHurgenson> I'll give it a few days and then daringly push the power button.
[01:30:53] <SpallsHurgenson> I don't think it actually got soaked; it was in a laptop case so it was more an issue of extreme moistness :)
[01:32:30] <chromas> this is where somebody pipes up with "that's what she said!"
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[01:35:55] <somebody> That's what she said
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[01:39:51] <SpallsHurgenson> hah! that guy sure was funny looking!
[01:40:36] cmn32480|away is now known as cmn32480
[01:40:42] <cmn32480> I was not!
[01:42:09] <cmn32480> chromas - your bots comeing back online?
[01:42:41] <chromas> sure, we're all here now
[01:42:50] <cmn32480> want me to turn titiles off?
[01:43:14] <cmn32480> hell... you could do that if you wanted to!
[01:43:20] <chromas> true
[01:43:27] <cmn32480> so we don't care?
[01:43:42] <SpallsHurgenson> don't turn off the tities!
[01:43:42] <chromas> actually, all both my bots' functionality is covered by exec_ :)
[01:43:45] <chromas> ~sed on
[01:43:48] <exec_> sed enabled for 10#Soylent
[01:44:16] <cmn32480> s/care?/give a crap?/
[01:44:16] <sedctl> <cmn32480> so we don't give a crap??
[01:44:17] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: s/(t)/\1\1/5
[01:44:17] <sedctl> <chromas> <SpallsHurgenson> don't turn off the titties!
[01:44:21] <exec_> <cmn32480> so we don't give a crap?
[01:44:30] <cmn32480> oh dear
[01:44:33] <chromas> nah, exec can be title master :D
[01:44:37] <chromas> ~sed off
[01:44:40] <exec_> sed disabled for 10#Soylent
[01:44:46] <chromas> although it has slightly less url filtering
[01:44:53] <cmn32480> ?
[01:44:54] <chromas> and doesn't ignore bender
[01:45:02] <cmn32480> he does ignore bender, I think
[01:45:06] <cmn32480> ~ignore
[01:45:07] <exec_> syntax: ~ignore <nick>
[01:45:15] <cmn32480> ~help
[01:45:16] <exec_> http://sylnt.us
[01:45:21] <cmn32480> <sigh>
[01:45:24] <cmn32480> ~list
[01:45:25] <exec_> ~list ~list-auth ~lock ~unlock
[01:45:26] <exec_> systemctl ~ ~! ~activity ~addr ~api ~aur ~bitbucket-feed ~cat ~cd ~cid ~civ ~comments ~confucius ~convert ~count ~cowsay ~deb ~define ~define-add ~define-count ~define-delete ~define-sources ~devs ~eds ~exec-issue ~execfs ~feed-list ~filter ~filth ~first ~fortune ~funding ~g ~g'day ~g'night ~gday ~get ~github-feed ~github-list ~gnight ~google ~header ~header-login ~help ~isup ~jisho ~join ~karma ~last ~link ~links ~location ~log ~ls ~md ~mkdir ~moo
[01:45:26] <exec_> ~nyse ~openthepodbaydoors ~part ~perl6 ~php ~queue ~quickpoll ~rainbow ~random ~rd ~rehash-issue ~remind ~rmdir ~scramble ~sed ~seen ~set ~shorten ~sizeof ~slashcode-find ~slashcode-issue ~sn-internal ~staff ~submit ~suggest ~suggest-api ~suggest-exec ~suggest-rss ~tell ~time ~time-add ~time-del ~title ~trans ~translate ~translate-sl ~uid ~unset ~up ~verifier-nick ~vote ~weather ~weather-add ~weather-del ~weather-old ~weather-prefs ~welcome ~wget ~wiki
[01:45:27] <exec_> ~wiki-privmsg ~youtube ~yt ~yukiku
[01:45:33] <chromas> the ignore list could be one of the things you didn't acquire from crutchy san
[01:45:35] <SpallsHurgenson> chromas is the tittie-master?
[01:45:41] <cmn32480> i did actaully get it
[01:45:48] * chromas fondles
[01:45:59] * chromas chases SpallsHurgenson around the channel
[01:46:01] <cmn32480> ciri, tama, SpallsHurgenson, Bender, and
[01:46:07] <cmn32480> oh dear
[01:46:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> stoopid exec_, why for you ping me?
[01:46:33] <chromas> hm, well, it's been echoing Bender titles anywho
[01:46:35] <cmn32480> you get a pm from him?
[01:46:45] <cmn32480> ~ignore Bender
[01:46:46] <exec_> exec_ set to ignore Bender
[01:46:58] <cmn32480> we'll see next time bender talks
[01:47:15] <chromas> maybe he was pinged by "~filth" or something :)
[01:47:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, "devs"
[01:47:48] <cmn32480> I kinda wanna know what that does...
[01:47:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~devs
[01:47:59] <exec_> dev ping for TheMightyBuzzard: TheMightyBuzzard paulej72
[01:48:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> annoys us
[01:48:27] <cmn32480> ~filth
[01:48:33] <chromas> ~mkdir Recycle\ Bin
[01:48:35] <exec_> 13path "/Recycle\ Bin" created
[01:48:39] <cmn32480> and .... crickets
[01:49:09] <chromas> ~openthepodbaydoors
[01:49:21] <chromas> 404 fortune not found
[01:49:32] <cmn32480> ~openthepodbaydoors
[01:49:46] <cmn32480> and .... crickets
[01:49:53] <chromas> I think that runs fortune -o
[01:49:59] <chromas> ~deb fortune
[01:49:59] <cmn32480> ~funding
[01:50:01] <exec_> error: login failure
[01:50:27] <cmn32480> ~confucius
[01:50:29] <exec_> Confucius say… gay man, who go on far, far away trip, hate leave friends behind.
[01:51:01] <cmn32480> and that must be where the quotes at the bottom of the page ceom from
[01:51:21] <cmn32480> ~nyse yhoo
[01:51:23] <exec_> sh: 1: curl: not found
[01:51:45] <chromas> looks like you got some 'stallin' to do
[01:52:04] <SpallsHurgenson> Stalin!
[01:52:05] <cmn32480> I been stallin' for years... how you think I kept my current job?
[01:52:59] <SpallsHurgenson> ~socialist chromas
[01:53:11] <chromas> ~fortune
[01:53:17] <SpallsHurgenson> goddurnit
[01:53:37] <cmn32480> ~socialist TheMightyBuzzard
[01:53:48] <chromas> ~count message=smakes type=action
[01:53:50] <exec_> 03<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
[01:53:50] <exec_> 03<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"
[01:53:50] <exec_> 03"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
[01:53:50] <exec_> 03<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" lang="en" xml:lang="en">
[01:53:51] <exec_> 03<head>
[01:53:52] <exec_> 0338 records not shown - refer to http://chromas.0x.no
[01:53:59] <chromas> ./me derps
[01:54:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> #socialist cmn32480
[01:54:06] <MrPlow> cmn32480, you're a socialist!
[01:54:16] <cmn32480> yes, I KNOW yours works!
[01:54:19] <chromas> ~count message=smakes type=action
[01:54:23] <chromas> .socialist bewbs
[01:54:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> .socialist chromas
[01:54:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg
[01:54:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~socialist chromas
[01:54:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp
[01:54:44] <chromas> exec has a sad
[01:54:53] <cmn32480> a sad?
[01:54:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> he has a broke
[01:55:01] <cmn32480> ~rehash
[01:55:08] <exec_> successfully reloaded exec file (160 aliases)
[01:55:08] <exec_> 0339
[01:55:19] <chromas> you got a lot farther than I did when I tried to set up an exec :)
[01:55:32] <cmn32480> apparently not quite so far as I thouhgt
[01:55:43] <cmn32480> it's a good thing I'm humble!
[01:55:45] <chromas> .socialist was a macro
[01:56:05] <cmn32480> I think I have the macro file
[01:56:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh ya, did you ever get the macros file from crutchy?
[01:56:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> ninja'd
[01:56:15] <chromas> ~last nick=crutchy message=macro.*socialist
[01:56:22] <cmn32480> he pasted it in and told me it was one big string
[01:56:37] <exec_> 03[2015-05-06 08:11:3] #Soylent <crutchy> .macro .socialist * privmsg 04%%trailing%%, YOU'RE a SOCIALIST!
[01:56:38] <cmn32480> so I have the file... it may not be RIGHT
[01:56:58] <cmn32480> so, if it is broken, we blame bytram
[01:57:02] <chromas> .macro .socialist * privmsg %%trailing%%, YOU'RE a SOCIALIST!
[01:57:03] <exec_> 02 *** macro with trigger ".socialist" and PRIVMSG command template "%%trailing%%, YOU'RE a SOCIALIST!" saved
[01:57:07] <chromas> .socialist bewbs
[01:57:09] <exec_> bewbs, YOU'RE a SOCIALIST!
[01:57:15] <chromas> >:)
[01:57:32] <cmn32480> so . not ~ for macros?
[01:57:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, our top troll is AC
[01:57:45] <chromas> cmn32480: yessir
[01:57:46] <cmn32480> show of hands... who is surprised
[01:57:58] <chromas> s/cmn32480/Gravis/
[01:57:58] <sedctl> <chromas> Gravis: yessir
[01:58:02] <chromas> whoops
[01:58:14] <cmn32480> got a specific link Buzzard?
[01:58:24] <chromas> what I meant was <Gravis> kill the ACs!
[01:58:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> EF is #2
[01:58:50] <cmn32480> say his name three times in front of the mirror, in the dark and he will show up
[01:58:54] <chromas> Spalls could be number one but it requires pants
[01:58:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> runaway1956 is #3
[01:59:26] <cmn32480> where is this magical list?
[01:59:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> on fluorine right now
[01:59:59] <cmn32480> oh
[02:00:06] <cmn32480> so we have to take you at your word?
[02:00:18] <chromas> MrPlow could have a script to access that script
[02:01:01] <cmn32480> is this a site statistic by number of comments moderated or something?
[02:03:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> MrPlow is not getting access to a web frontend
[02:03:17] <cmn32480> oh
[02:03:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, yeah. hang on i'll show yas.
[02:03:33] <cmn32480> so it's a cheat by a dev playing wiht his bot. got it
[02:03:43] <cmn32480> that sounds kinda dirty dpeneding how you read it
[02:08:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://soylentnews.org
[02:08:05] <exec_> └─ 13404 File Not Found
[02:08:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> ?!
[02:08:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> says you, exec_
[02:08:24] <cmn32480> says me too...
[02:08:25] <chromas> same here
[02:08:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, right, it's only on fluorine
[02:08:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> sigh
[02:08:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> hang on then
[02:08:52] <chromas> maybe the api can access it :D
[02:08:52] <cmn32480> dev.soylentnews.org...
[02:09:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://staff.soylentnews.org
[02:09:56] * SpallsHurgenson quivers in fear, "this connection is untrusted!!!!!" :)
[02:10:10] <chromas> :(
[02:10:15] * chromas didn't make it on the list
[02:10:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's only for as far back as our moderatorlog goes though
[02:10:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> which ain't that far
[02:10:31] <cmn32480> buzzard failed to mention who number 4 is....
[02:10:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> did not
[02:13:27] <cmn32480> WTF?? Why is a file considered "Gigantic" in windows if it is bigger than 128MB? IS that a remnant from the days of dial-up?
[02:14:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> well it is gigantic if you're trying to open it with a text editor
[02:14:13] <SpallsHurgenson> notepad :)
[02:14:31] <cmn32480> notepadqq++
[02:14:32] <Bender> karma - notepadqq: 1
[02:15:19] <cmn32480> 500GB drive, 450 usable, and I have over 400GB of crap on it
[02:15:34] <Deucalion> tail would be your friend if that's a giganormous log file or something...
[02:15:38] <chromas> time for another disk
[02:15:56] <cmn32480> laptop
[02:16:02] <cmn32480> no room for another disk
[02:16:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> tail is always my friend. wink wink, nudge nudge
[02:16:05] * SpallsHurgenson whimpers, "Laptop!"
[02:16:08] <chromas> time for a laptop with two disk bays :D
[02:16:33] <cmn32480> I think I could.. I if I remove the DVD, I think Dell sells another disk bay
[02:17:16] <cmn32480> http://smile.amazon.com
[02:17:17] <exec_> └─ 13500 Service Unavailable Error
[02:17:28] <cmn32480> useless
[02:17:53] <chromas> =title http://smile.amazon.com
[02:17:54] <exec_> └─ 13500 Service Unavailable Error
[02:17:55] <Deucalion> There comes a time to appraise ~why~ there is so much crap around and call in the surgical strike
[02:18:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> =title http://www.amazon.com
[02:18:11] <exec_> └─ 13500 Service Unavailable Error
[02:18:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> stoopid bot
[02:18:23] <LiquidSmake> ^ 03ERROR: The requested URL could not be retrieved
[02:18:53] <LiquidSmake> ^ 03ERROR: The requested URL could not be retrieved
[02:18:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> m'kay, think i'll do up a journal entry for the troll kings
[02:19:13] <chromas> fpos
[02:19:57] <chromas> maybe the ua-string is too old: Mozilla/6.9 (Windows NT 9.10; rv: 10000) Gecko/20481024 systemd/220
[02:20:01] * Deucalion goes hunting another AA battery... been ignoring this flashy light on my mouse for too long, now it is missing clicks all over the place
[02:20:27] <cmn32480> that'd be bad when hunting woofs
[02:20:30] <chromas> just ignore it, like the Check Engine light
[02:21:53] <Deucalion> cmn32480, indeed that may have contributed to the aiming problem come to think... that and running the game on a woefully underspecced laptop so the gfx feel like treacle. :D Got the woof in the end though :D
[02:22:26] <cmn32480> how many times did it get you?
[02:22:41] <SpallsHurgenson> woof?
[02:22:42] * Deucalion finds a Duracell marked Mar2016... that should help :)
[02:23:11] <Deucalion> SpallsHurgenson, woof is my word for wolves in The Long Dark... makes them less scary in my mind.
[02:23:12] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: ugly chicks
[02:23:22] <SpallsHurgenson> woof!
[02:24:15] <Deucalion> cmn32480, only got me once - shot it with an arrow, it bolted up a hill then 180'd and came back and mauled me at full sprint. Other than that the shot just missed and the noise made it run away.
[02:24:36] <cmn32480> not bad Deucalion!
[02:26:43] <Deucalion> I'm still on my 1st playthrough on newb mode so the wildlife is not hostile unless I piss it off. I've kinda got to a self-sufficient point now though so it's getting boring.... limiting factor is only going to be either matches or scrap metal... don't really need scrap metal though as I can harvest bunnies for meat with bare hands. Think I need to restart on normal mode now I know what is what.
[02:28:03] <SpallsHurgenson> don't do it; it's a trick! (get an axe)
[02:29:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://soylentnews.org
[02:29:50] <exec_> └─ 13Journal of The Mighty Buzzard (18)
[02:30:15] <Deucalion> I forget if you can get their pelts and guts with bare hands, but certainly the bunny meat can be harvested without tools unless you leave them too log in the snares and they freeze solid.
[02:31:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> neat
[02:32:15] * SpallsHurgenson buys more games on humblebundle he has no intention of ever playing... but they're cheap :)
[02:32:33] <Deucalion> Fair forewarning though... it's a time sink game.... many many hours will be lost...
[02:32:56] <SpallsHurgenson> could be worse... could be Civilization
[02:33:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> could be irciv
[02:34:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://www.ghacks.net
[02:34:26] <chromas> zing
[02:34:27] <exec_> └─ 13Mozilla wants to drop Thunderbird - gHacks Tech News
[02:35:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh and openmw 0.37 is out as well. cc: SirFinkus
[02:35:21] <Deucalion> I got the point now with resources sorted, I spent hours arranging things in neat rows on shelves and counter tops just to pass time... must be time to restart on a harder difficulty.... but those "days survived" achievements are calling me :D
[02:35:24] <SpallsHurgenson> on the one hand, yay... because Mozilla has been fucking up Firefox and I don't want them to start doing the same to tbird... on the other hand, boo since without a sponsor what will be poor tbirds future? on the gripping hand, I'm thirsty
[02:35:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Purdue Experiments With Income Contingent Student Loans - http://sylnt.us - boilering-up
[02:36:13] <Deucalion> What work does Tbird need? Well Thunderbird and Lightning... pretty much feature complete no?
[02:36:49] <chromas> 'twas true of firefox too, but that didn't stop them from workign on it some more
[02:36:53] <SpallsHurgenson> well... it is a Mozilla product so a new interface is probably required at some point :)
[02:37:10] <Deucalion> Always brings Thin Lizzy to mind when I think about Thunderbird and Lightning :D
[02:37:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> pretty much, aside from security fixes that inevitably pop up if for no other reason than you linked in an insecure lib.
[02:37:37] <SpallsHurgenson> tbird... 'cause I refuse to use googles web interface :)
[02:39:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, it occurs to me that firefox turning to shit and its SJWization coincide fairly closely. anyone remember when precisely they started saying the word "diversity"?
[02:39:12] <Deucalion> I swear, what the hell is wrong with people... why can't they just say "OK, that's done, no point twatting about with it any more other than to keep it ticking over"... ya know move on to something new and sparkly rather than try to make something new and sparkly out of something that is running perfectly fine as it is in maintenance only mode
[02:39:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> Deucalion, preach it brother the artist formerly known as juggs
[02:42:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause i mean it's sure as shit been cliff diving since they chased the CEO out for opposing gay marriage and it correlated for a while before that... just not sure how closely.
[02:43:54] <SpallsHurgenson> I think the belief is that you can't "grow the product" if you aren't constantly offering something new. People won't flock to you if you just keep offering the same old thing
[02:44:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya. that gasoline shit's just a fad fer instance.
[02:48:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> twinkis? better change something up cause people just ain't interested in em if they ain't new.
[02:48:24] <Deucalion> Seriously, I look at my IRC client - and I see the same interface I had in the 90s.... on one side is the channels, on the other is a list of nicks, in the middle is channel content. Same with email... it's done, just leave it alone, it works fine. I guess there is no glory in just maintaining stuff capably in a disposable, celeb fascinated society so newcomers want to set themselves apart from the plebs by coming up with something "new". And t
[02:48:24] <Deucalion> hat "new" - yeh always turns out to be - we tried that a decade or so again, it failed then, you're just re-spinning it with some marketing BS to get the vulture venture types in on the deal in the hope you walk away rich... OK if you like long shot gambling I guess,
[02:49:58] <Deucalion> TheMightyBuzzard, "the artist formerly known as juggs" - careful now - I may have to rebrand myself into an archaic symbol :D
[02:50:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> 💩?
[02:51:11] <Deucalion> I love you too :P
[02:51:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> only unicode i know offhand =P
[02:51:52] <Deucalion> sure, sure... I will remember this day
[02:53:01] <cmn32480> man I wish I could see the poop emoji!
[02:53:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> fix yer shat
[02:53:26] <cmn32480> I tried. None of the unicode fonts I have work right
[02:53:28] <Deucalion> Just a font choice away!
[02:53:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> Unifont Upper CSUR Medium 12
[02:53:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's oogly but it works
[02:53:56] <Deucalion> Unifont Upper CSUR Medium 9
[02:54:16] <cmn32480> funny.. even the preview is boxes!
[02:54:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> you must got better eyes than i do, Deucalion
[02:54:28] <Deucalion> Or a different screen res
[02:54:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> or that, yep
[02:54:44] <cmn32480> now I see poop
[02:54:50] <cmn32480> but damn the font is ugly
[02:54:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> woohoo!
[02:54:56] <Deucalion> Do you smell it though?
[02:54:57] <SpallsHurgenson> http://www.fileformat.info
[02:55:00] <exec_> └─ 13Unicode Character 'PILE OF POO' (U+1F4A9)
[02:55:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, you get used to it
[02:55:08] <SpallsHurgenson> (apparently there's an emoji too?)
[02:55:18] <cmn32480> Deucalion - I have 3 kids 7 and under. I smell it if I want to or not!
[02:56:24] <Deucalion> lol... rug rats - adorable little bastards I am sure.... but the emissions probably amount to contained chemical warfare under some treaties
[02:56:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i completely missed out on all that fun "daddy, i'm done, come wipe my butt" by not having kids.
[02:57:25] * Deucalion invokes wah, wah, wah.... then you'll die a lonely old man tropes
[02:57:31] <cmn32480> i did that tonight
[02:57:34] <cmn32480> twice
[02:57:58] <cmn32480> THe universal howl of "I'm DDOOOOOOOONNNNNEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!"
[02:57:59] <SpallsHurgenson> either that or he dies at 120 years with his face in the boobs of a 19 year old college girl :)
[02:58:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya know, i think we're mostly doin it right here. taking a really old code base and mostly just bug fixing on it.
[02:58:13] <cmn32480> at least he'd die happy!
[02:58:49] <cmn32480> says TheMightyBuzzard, changing the subject
[02:58:59] <Deucalion> Sounds like a fine way to leave the coil.... as long as it happens on the vinegar strokes.... "ANDDDD...... that's me out... thanks love"
[02:59:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, i plan on going out like this: squashed by an elephant while having a foursome with identical triplet cheerleaders.
[02:59:20] <SpallsHurgenson> ah, Plan B
[02:59:23] <Deucalion> You will live a long time
[03:00:38] <SpallsHurgenson> here's one of the triplets :) https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com
[03:01:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> hahahaha! they hate getting called cultural marxists so bad over at wikipedia that they took down the entire page describing it.
[03:01:34] * Deucalion is sooo not clicking on anything TrollHurgenson emits :P
[03:02:06] <cmn32480> don't do it Deucalion
[03:02:13] <SpallsHurgenson> it's no worse than anything you'd see on peopleofwalmart
[03:02:20] * Deucalion doesn't
[03:02:32] <cmn32480> I think it might have been a self portrait of SpallsHurgenson
[03:02:42] <SpallsHurgenson> and I dispute troll
[03:02:56] <Deucalion> Can't be worse than EF's self-portraits
[03:03:14] <Deucalion> SpallsHurgenson, I stand corrected, you are no troll.
[03:03:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, you should. you didn't make the list.
[03:03:27] <SpallsHurgenson> cmn32480: look again, that cheerleader is wearing pants
[03:06:35] <cmn32480> i choose not to look again
[03:07:04] <SpallsHurgenson> hey, don't blame me. It's TMB's fantasy, after all :)
[03:08:12] <Deucalion> http://stats.sylnt.us TMB and Gravis must have a thing going on. And Runaway1956 was up in here? I missed that event :/
[03:08:14] <exec_> └─ 13SoylentNews - PieSpy Relationship Map - #soylent
[03:08:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> here's two of em, just need to get a third and a few cheerleader outfits https://twitter.com
[03:08:38] <exec_> └─ 13▲ Mercedes Carrera ▲ on Twitter: "On set with my twin sister @cutelunastar 😍👭👯 https://t.co"
[03:09:13] <Deucalion> Who the fuck names their child after a car manufacturer?
[03:09:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, he was here for a bit. i hadda school gravis on how capitalism's the shat n socialism's tyranny. again. cause he don't listen.
[03:10:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> well it's only fair, the car manufacturer was named after someone's child.
[03:10:09] <SpallsHurgenson> mercedes is a derivative of "mercy", IIRC and predates the name of the car by a long time
[03:11:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> i can't tell if i'm winning irc or if cmn32480 is
[03:11:58] <cmn32480> I'm playing HalfLife 2.... you can win IRC
[03:12:20] <SpallsHurgenson> the only way to win IRC is not to play; if you show up on that list, you're one of the losers :)
[03:12:30] <SpallsHurgenson> oh... wait... damn :(
[03:14:14] * TheMightyBuzzard turns on SpallsHurgenson's webcam remotely and pastes the link to it all over twitter
[03:15:41] * SpallsHurgenson strikes a pose for his audience
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[03:18:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> sup, ef
[03:18:17] * SpallsHurgenson thrusts suggestively and reminds everyone to "thank" to TMB for making sure these images are polluting the interenet :)
[03:18:18] <Deucalion> Oh god cmn32480 - HL2 - I got through the swamp boat section, thought I was back to some kind of story then it wanted me to get in a car and do the boat thing again but on land.... talk about using the same mechanics over again... great so now I have to grind out another section of mini-gun on platform to reach the next chapter of the story.... I guess I'm just not bored enough to take that on.
[03:18:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> you seen your victory yet?
[03:18:36] <Ethanol-fueled> what is it?
[03:18:52] <Ethanol-fueled> I've been on vacation and generally busy as shit.
[03:18:58] <cmn32480> Deucalion - I just finished the airboat.
[03:19:03] <cmn32480> interesting.
[03:19:05] <cmn32480> different
[03:19:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://soylentnews.org
[03:19:11] <cmn32480> but it happens again in a car?
[03:19:12] <exec_> └─ 13Journal of The Mighty Buzzard (18)
[03:19:47] <SpallsHurgenson> HL2 was one of the most overrated games of the last decade
[03:19:48] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahah, nice. I'm proud.
[03:20:23] <Ethanol-fueled> Damn shame I've been busy as hell or on vacation. Haven't even had time to buy a burner card for my sub
[03:20:30] <Ethanol-fueled> (I will reup my sub, promise!)
[03:20:57] <Ethanol-fueled> I will probably be re-employed soon too.
[03:21:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. if ya wanna wait till round the first of the year you can do it without using paypal.
[03:22:33] <cmn32480> re-eployed is good!
[03:22:45] <Deucalion> Sorry - then I just spoilered you cmn32480 - yah... in your near future is "jump in this car and go hell for leather while using a car mounted minigun" - it feels like the boat but you're in a car. I can't bring myself to continue.... maybe one day I will... but it was kinda depressing after the threat that HL brought to be thrown into a run and gun repeato-sphere :( YMMV
[03:22:59] <Ethanol-fueled> Yup. Got a few decent bites, all positions making more monies than at my previous job.
[03:23:10] <cmn32480> nice!
[03:23:25] <cmn32480> Deucalion - no sweat. It's all new to me.
[03:23:50] <Ethanol-fueled> Thanks. I'll try to get around to participating more. Next 3 weeks are gonna be a bitch.
[03:24:46] <Deucalion> Me too cmn32480 I just felt let down after HL. Maybe I was having a bad day. On that note.... think I will grind it out right now :)
[03:25:05] <Ethanol-fueled> That new Star Wars game coming out looks pretty good.
[03:25:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> battlefront?
[03:26:07] <Ethanol-fueled> Yar.
[03:26:35] <Ethanol-fueled> I don't got no hardware to runnit on, hopefully a friend or two will buy it and let me mooch some playing time.
[03:26:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. folks is apparently digging it. saw a link to a 40 person battle earlier today somewhere.
[03:27:29] <chromas> https://www.amazon.com
[03:27:37] <Ethanol-fueled> chromas, das raciss.
[03:27:48] <SirFinkus> yeah, been running it for a while TheMightyBuzzard
[03:27:50] * chromas spanks the bot
[03:27:53] <SirFinkus> re openmw
[03:28:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> you gettin your git on, eh?
[03:30:47] <Deucalion> dayum was HL2 designed for controller rather than keyboard and mouse?
[03:31:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> most games are nowadays
[03:31:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> ff 13 port is fookin awful
[03:32:22] <Ethanol-fueled> Allright, gonna bail. Fight the good fight!
[03:32:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> word to yer mother. and anyone else's mother you stumble across.
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[03:39:26] <Deucalion> Yeah, that went about as well as expected.... got beached on a log on the beach twice... guess that is the game's subtle way of saying "you went the wrong way".... hmmph
[03:40:48] <SpallsHurgenson> either that or a subtle hint to look at the (for the time) amazing water effects :)
[03:43:41] <SpallsHurgenson> Look at them! Look at them and be amazed!
[03:45:19] <SpallsHurgenson> if you are not amazed, then it means you are looking at them wrong. Learn to look at things correctly then try again.
[03:46:59] <SpallsHurgenson> okay, ash vs evil dead time
[03:47:23] <Deucalion> I'm in a beach buggy - not sure water borne hints can help right now :/
[03:47:58] <SpallsHurgenson> drive into the waves. the water is your friend.
[03:50:05] <SirFinkus> Half Life 2 was amazing when it came out, but now it's just kind of average
[03:50:09] <Deucalion> hmmmm... flanking move? These land crabs sure are troublesome....
[03:50:26] <SirFinkus> a lot of the shit it did was brand new
[03:51:10] <SirFinkus> there's a term for it, revolutionary things seeming generic later because they were so influential
[03:52:53] <SpallsHurgenson> I didn't find HL2 that revolutionary at the time (no, not even the gravity gun); evolutionary, perhaps.
[03:54:12] <Deucalion> I miss a lot of cues it seems, 2 or 3 decades away from gaming does that.... save-scumming back - I have an OAP pass, I'm allowed to do that :P
[03:54:43] <cmn32480> OAP Pass?
[03:54:48] <cmn32480> Old Ass Person?
[03:55:02] <SpallsHurgenson> open access plan?
[03:55:16] <cmn32480> Only Anal Penetration?
[03:55:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> Only Anal Porn?
[03:55:28] * TheMightyBuzzard high fives cmn32480
[03:55:32] <Deucalion> When it comes to games... clueless bastard. That will suffice.
[03:55:39] * cmn32480 hi fives back
[03:56:00] <Deucalion> I will happily admit I have not a clue
[03:56:03] <SpallsHurgenson> me too; I /never/ play video games :)
[03:56:27] <SpallsHurgenson> I don't even own any games
[03:56:28] * Deucalion sniffs SpallsHurgenson's lie meter....
[03:56:33] <SpallsHurgenson> in fact, what's a video game?
[03:56:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> one more 264GB directory of shat to copy over to the server and I can jockey disks around and move /home off the failing drive.
[03:57:52] <SpallsHurgenson> it's not a lie! it's redefining reality to better meet my expectations! :)
[03:58:58] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: use btrfs ;D
[03:59:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, ext4 is faster for my needs
[04:00:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> we ain't talkin a monster server box here. if we was i'd have a buncha ssds in raid.
[04:02:20] <cmn32480> 264GB directory...
[04:02:27] <cmn32480> that can only be one thing
[04:02:35] <SpallsHurgenson> Linux ISOs!
[04:02:51] <cmn32480> The Porn 'Stache!
[04:03:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp, DBZ
[04:03:30] <SpallsHurgenson> Dirty Bald 'Zealanders?
[04:03:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep
[04:03:57] <cmn32480> really? you keep JamesNZ on a 264GB leash?
[04:04:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, someone has to
[04:04:29] <cmn32480> and according to the buzzard it is a 264GB directory of "shat" porn
[04:04:41] <cmn32480> I don't know if that is poorly done, or fetish
[04:04:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't have kiwis running around loose. no sheep would be safe!
[04:05:40] <Deucalion> Yeh,,,, running through the surf didn't end well.... hmmphh.
[04:06:33] <Deucalion> running the buggy*
[04:09:11] <Deucalion> IME kiwi women are formidable but loyal and genuine.. just throwing that out there for those that like to stereotype :D
[04:09:20] * Deucalion is defeated
[04:10:57] * SpallsHurgenson offers some more "helpful hints": most of the monsters in HL2 are in fact neutral and only attack if threatened. Approach them slowly without a weapon and they will become your friend (don't be startled if they make a few threatening moves at first; they are just testing your resolve :) :)
[04:12:09] <SpallsHurgenson> oh sure you might lose a bit of health when they attack, but in the end they will be your allies. just be patient and let them work out their aggression :) :) :) :)
[04:41:44] <cmn32480> ~g'night kids!
[04:41:46] * exec_ allegedly throws a tinfoil hat of bacon at kids!
[04:48:26] * JamesNZ slips some bedbugs cmn32480's way
[04:53:44] <SpallsHurgenson> must be a kiwi thing
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[05:02:22] <cmn32480> after I told you what SpallsHurgenson said about you yesterday... you dirty rotten scoundrel JamesNZ
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[05:04:36] <JamesNZ> cmn32480|away: Forgive me, I shall split them equally between you and SpallsHurgenson in the future :D
[05:04:52] <SpallsHurgenson> yay, friends!
[05:05:28] <JamesNZ> <3
[05:07:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Enlightenment E20 Arrives - http://sylnt.us - desktop-nirvana
[05:11:09] <Gravis> how is this not a brilliant comment?! https://soylentnews.org
[05:11:10] <Gravis> :P
[05:11:11] <exec_> └─ 13SoylentNews Comments | Automotive Disruption from the Bay Area to Atlanta
[05:13:33] <Gravis> Deucalion: cool chart but you clearly havent processed all the logs
[05:13:54] <chromas> Gravis: it's all in the bad grammers :)
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[06:00:53] <Gravis> chromas: the bad grammers? what?
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[06:46:07] <exec_> 02{ "badge_id" : "0", "karma_abs" : "3", "tweak_orig" : "0", "pointsorig" : "1", "points" : "4", "reason" : "5", "uid" : "2", "subject_orig" : "yes", "subscriber_bonus" : "no", "tweak" : "0", "karma" : "3", "sid" : "5", "len" : "92", "pid" : "0", "date" : "2014-02-12 06:38:54", "subject" : "Retro-like poll FTW", "last_update" : "2014-03-14 07:02:01", "cid" : "2", "lastmod" : "6", "karma_bonus" : "no", "pointsmax" : "4", "comment" : "Also, first post and
[06:46:17] <crutchy> ooh i think that might be first
[06:46:31] <crutchy> ~api m=comment op=single cid=2 /comment
[06:46:33] <exec_> 02Also, first post and first vote<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)<br> <br>Yeah yeah, I know, -1 Offtopic
[06:47:01] <crutchy> slash ate cid 1 for breakfast
[06:50:07] <crutchy> ~api m=story op=single sid=1
[06:50:08] <exec_> no data returned
[06:50:17] <crutchy> ~api m=story op=single sid=2
[06:50:19] <exec_> no data returned
[06:51:19] <crutchy> [[ApiDocs]]
[06:51:20] <exec_> 03ApiDocs => 13Development - parent
[06:51:21] <exec_> └─ 02http://wiki.soylentnews.org/wiki/ApiDocs
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[08:30:55] <crutchy> aw
[08:30:59] <crutchy> bye bot
[08:37:39] <nick> g'day crutchy
[08:40:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Nearly Half of US Homes Use Cellphones Only, Shun Landlines - http://sylnt.us - call-forwarding-to-the-abyss
[08:52:05] <crutchy> ahoy!
[08:52:14] <crutchy> nick
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[08:52:39] <crutchy> ^until exec_ comes back
[08:53:09] <crutchy> ~api m=comment op=latest
[08:53:13] <tugger> 02[ { "points" : "2", "reason" : "6", "pointsorig" : "1", "tweak_orig" : "0", "badge_id" : "0", "karma_abs" : "1", "tweak" : "0", "karma" : "1", "len" : "259", "sid" : "10906", "subscriber_bonus" : "no", "subject_orig" : "yes", "uid" : "80", "lastmod" : "309", "karma_bonus" : "yes", "last_update" : "2015-12-02 07:03:22", "cid" : "270485", "subject" : "Good", "date" : "2015-12-02 04:05:45", "pid" : "0", "comment" : "<p>As someone who opened u
[08:53:22] <crutchy> ~api m=comment op=latest /0
[08:53:28] <tugger> 02{"points":"2","reason":"6","pointsorig":"1","tweak_orig":"0","badge_id":"0","karma_abs":"1","tweak":"0","karma":"1","len":"259","sid":"10906","subscriber_bonus":"no","subject_orig":"yes","uid":"80","lastmod":"309","karma_bonus":"yes","last_update":"2015-12-02 07:03:22","cid":"270485","subject":"Good","date":"2015-12-02 04:05:45","pid":"0","comment":"<p>As someone who opened up all the patents for his electric vehicles, perhaps he's just do
[08:53:37] <crutchy> ~api m=comment op=latest /0/points
[08:53:42] <tugger> 02"2"
[08:54:07] <crutchy> hmm. wonder why the ""
[08:54:36] <crutchy> ah cos i encoded it
[08:55:48] <crutchy> ~api m=comment op=latest /0/points
[08:55:52] <tugger> 022
[09:02:43] <crutchy> .soylentbutt
[09:03:35] <crutchy> .pants chromas
[09:03:36] <tugger> chromas, ZOMGWTFBBQ YOU'RE wearing PANTS!
[09:04:41] <crutchy> .soyl gewg_
[09:05:43] <crutchy> doh. bogged down in comments feed :/
[09:07:08] <crutchy> ~join #github
[09:08:09] <crutchy> ~part
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[10:00:21] <Gravis> yo
[10:02:14] <AndyTheAbsurd> yo
[10:07:56] <crutchy> yo
[10:11:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mozilla Corporation: Thunderbird “a tax” on Firefox Development - http://sylnt.us - focused-user-experience
[10:22:40] <Gravis> crutchy: you had previously asked me to post a link to mustic i like. this is a serious response: https://www.youtube.com
[10:22:41] <LiquidSmake> ^ 03CHAOTICA "Unstable" Music Video - YouTube
[10:22:57] <Gravis> crutchy: i like lost of different music but i like that song
[10:23:50] <Gravis> lots*
[10:29:27] <Gravis> crutchy: on the more processed end of music, here's a song i like: https://www.youtube.com
[10:29:29] <LiquidSmake> ^ 03Sidewalks And Skeletons - SLOW MOTION (VIDEO) - YouTube
[10:31:50] <JamesNZ> linq++
[10:31:50] <Bender> karma - linq: 1
[10:32:45] <Gravis> dotnet--
[10:32:45] <Bender> karma - dotnet: -3
[10:32:54] <Gravis> microsoft--
[10:32:54] <Bender> karma - microsoft: -22
[10:35:25] <Gravis> hilarious: https://soylentnews.org
[10:35:26] <LiquidSmake> ^ 03SN comment by [02wonkey_monkey (279)] (02Score:3, Funny)
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[10:52:03] <chromas> http://nutscapes.com
[10:52:04] <LiquidSmake> ^ 03nutscapes
[10:59:26] <crutchy> http://bewbscapes.com
[10:59:41] <crutchy> aw :(
[11:00:58] <chromas> maybe camelscapes
[11:01:09] <crutchy> ahuh
[11:04:02] <AndyTheAbsurd> cameltoescapes?
[11:11:42] <chromas> Hey, now, we're keepin' it classy in here
[11:11:58] <crutchy> cuppoteascapes
[11:12:00] * chromas sucks a cigar and goes back to looking at nutshots
[11:12:59] <crutchy> ~weather nutshots
[11:13:12] <crutchy> 'overcast with a chance of pubes'
[11:14:06] <crutchy> ~yt fart
[11:14:10] <crutchy> derp
[11:35:15] <alexbst> https://orat.
[11:35:15] <alexbst> io/blog/as-of-today-whatsapp-is-blocking-telegram-links/
[11:35:19] <alexbst> gah ^^
[11:35:21] <alexbst> but yes, evils.
[11:39:19] <chromas> whatsapp is a faceboob thing now right?
[11:40:12] <alexbst> sadly
[11:40:15] <chromas> https://orat.io
[11:40:16] <LiquidSmake> ^ 03As of today, WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links — orat.io Blog
[11:40:27] <chromas> well that title was helpful
[11:42:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ask Soylent: Drones and the Right to Bear Arms - http://sylnt.us - weaponized-droning-civilians
[11:47:44] <chromas> Bender: s/(D\w)(.*)(R\w)(.*)(B\w) (A\w)/\3\2\5\4 \1/
[11:47:50] <chromas> SedBot--
[11:47:50] <Bender> karma - sedbot: 5
[11:48:51] <crutchy> i was looking for asdf videos sped up 200% and somehow ended up at this https://www.youtube.com
[11:48:53] <LiquidSmake> ^ 03Akdong Musician(AKMU) - 200% M/V - YouTube
[11:48:59] <crutchy> youtube is weird
[11:49:57] <crutchy> https://youtu.be
[11:49:58] <LiquidSmake> ^ 03asdfmovie7 sped up!!! (Multiple speeds) (150%-200%-300%-500%-1000%-10000%) - YouTube ( https://www.youtube.com )
[11:51:35] <crutchy> ~link asdf/color https://www.youtube.com
[11:51:44] <crutchy> erps
[12:20:07] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[12:20:08] <LiquidSmake> ^ 03Honest Trailers - Star Wars - YouTube
[12:20:15] <crutchy> #droidlivesmatter
[12:30:11] <AndyTheAbsurd> #alldroidsmatter
[12:30:30] <AndyTheAbsurd> even those little toaster droids that run around on the Death Star.
[12:32:29] <chromas> thunar-- #no ssh support?
[12:32:29] <Bender> karma - thunar: -1
[12:34:38] <AndyTheAbsurd> sshfs++ #use it and thunar doesn't need to know about ssh
[12:34:38] <Bender> karma - sshfs: 2
[12:37:41] <chromas> I guess so
[12:38:04] <chromas> but I'm not installing gvfs
[12:43:31] <chromas> AndyTheAbsurd++ thanks # sshfs master
[12:43:31] <Bender> karma - andytheabsurd: 12
[12:44:28] <cmn32480|away> hmmm... apparently internet outage kills exec...
[12:44:48] <chromas> #smake pidgin
[12:44:48] * MrPlow smakes pidgin upside the head
[12:45:52] * chromas installs batt'ries in exec_
[12:46:12] <cmn32480|away> ~q
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[12:46:36] <chromas> ~last type=quit nick=exec_
[12:46:42] <exec_> 03[2015-12-02 08:26:0] #Soylent <exec_> Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[12:46:51] <cmn32480|away> interesting.. he was there chattering away in the console.... but didn't rejoin
[12:47:52] <cmn32480|away> ~time chromas
[12:47:52] <chromas> it's the Konomi of bots
[12:47:54] <exec_> Wednesday, 2 December 2015 @ 4:47 am PST - Walla Walla, WA, USA
[12:48:08] <chromas> ~wx
[12:48:11] <chromas> ~weather
[12:48:12] <exec_> 10Walla Walla, WA, USA - currently 25°F / -4°C, light snow, wind W at 3 mph, humidity 89% - Wednesday snow with brief sleet (30°F:33°F / -1°C:1°C), Thursday scattered showers (39°F:46°F / 4°C:8°C), Friday partly cloudy (35°F:46°F / 2°C:8°C), Saturday scattered showers (40°F:43°F / 4°C:6°C)
[12:48:28] <cmn32480|away> ~weather
[12:48:29] <exec_> syntax: ~weather <location>
[12:48:32] <chromas> yay snow
[12:48:34] cmn32480|away is now known as cmn32480
[12:48:37] <cmn32480> ~weather
[12:48:39] <exec_> 10Baltimore, MD, USA - currently 49°F / 9°C, fog, wind SE at 3 mph, humidity 100% - Wednesday rain (44°F:59°F / 7°C:15°C), Thursday sunny (37°F:49°F / 3°C:9°C), Friday sunny (36°F:51°F / 2°C:11°C), Saturday sunny (35°F:53°F / 2°C:12°C)
[12:50:25] <chromas> ~define mexican butterfly
[12:50:27] <exec_> mexican butterfly: unable to find definition
[12:51:58] <chromas> we barely had snow last year and it was warmer too. hopefully this year it will be made up for with fifty feet of snow and ice and people swerving and sliding to their injuries
[12:52:37] <chromas> and -40° temps
[12:53:03] * chromas wants to pee icicles
[12:56:04] <cmn32480> careful
[12:56:25] <cmn32480> you get diarrhea at that temperature you can get a sphincter-cicle
[12:57:23] <AndyTheAbsurd> LOL
[12:58:16] <AndyTheAbsurd> I want to get back to somewhere cold but at -40 I think I'd want heated underwear.
[12:58:32] <cmn32480> -40C or -40F?
[12:58:37] * AndyTheAbsurd runs off to file a patent for a jockstrap with a chemical-heater pocket
[12:58:43] <chromas> first one, then the other
[12:59:00] <cmn32480> that's a real ball burner AndyTheAbsurd
[12:59:32] <chromas> Nuts! Get yer heated nuts!
[13:00:02] <chromas> 2 for a dollar!
[13:01:10] * cmn32480 has a picture of chromas wearing one of AndyTheAbsurd's jocks over each ear
[13:02:01] <chromas> Do I look dog-eared?
[13:02:17] * chromas turns the page
[13:02:31] <crutchy> 'get your nutscapes!'
[13:02:53] <chromas> nutscrape navigator
[13:04:06] <crutchy> coffee++
[13:04:06] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1936
[13:14:04] cmn32480 is now known as cmn32480|away
[13:17:21] <crutchy> ~time
[13:17:23] <exec_> Thursday, 3 December 2015 @ 12:17 am GMT+11 - Melbourne VIC
[13:17:29] <crutchy> off to bed i go
[13:44:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Doctors Don't Know What to Do With Data from Fitness Trackers - http://sylnt.us - data-addiction
[14:23:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[14:23:09] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1937
[14:24:13] <cmn32480|away> coffee++
[14:24:13] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1938
[14:28:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> man that was some quality oversleeping
[14:54:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> #weather
[14:54:28] <MrPlow> Today: Partly cloudy skies. High around 50F. Winds WNW at 10 to 15 mph. Tomorrow: Sunny skies. High around 50F. Winds light and variable.
[14:55:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> bleh, i should be fishing but the roomie's out of state with his truck and i haven't gotten a ball hitch stuck on my car yet.
[14:57:23] <AndyTheAbsurd> so go get a ball hitch stuck on your car, *then* go fishing?
[15:00:24] <cmn32480|away> I have no desire to hear about TheMightyBuzzard's ball hitch
[15:00:38] cmn32480|away is now known as cmn32480
[15:01:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'terrible having to manually hitch your own balls
[15:05:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[15:05:58] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 11
[15:05:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[15:15:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Pilot Crashes Quadcopter into Tree, Baby — Serious Injuries Result - http://sylnt.us - the-Ents-will-be-mad
[15:31:04] <cmn32480> i need a minion
[15:31:13] <cmn32480> or at very least an intern
[15:31:35] <cmn32480> I'm supposed to be off.... and what am I doing?
[15:31:38] <cmn32480> WORKING!
[15:37:17] <AndyTheAbsurd> we all need minions
[15:41:20] <chromas> Bender: grab cmn32480|away
[15:41:20] <Bender> Added quote 613
[15:42:16] <chromas> from the fashionably-late dept
[15:51:00] * mrcoolbp hires chromas as SN's sole-dept.-writer
[15:54:41] <cmn32480> WOO HOO!!!!!
[15:54:51] <cmn32480> make sure he gets paid the same as the editors
[15:55:18] * chromas creates the department of dept-of-department-dept dept
[15:55:37] <cmn32480> ~moo
[15:55:38] <exec_> (__)
[15:55:38] <exec_> (oo)
[15:55:38] <exec_> /------\/
[15:55:39] <exec_> / | ||
[15:55:39] <exec_> * /\---/\
[15:55:40] <exec_> ~~ ~~
[15:55:41] <exec_> ..."Have you mooed today?"...
[15:56:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> _____
[15:56:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> < moo >
[15:56:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> -----
[15:56:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> \ ^__^
[15:56:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> \ (oo)\_______
[15:56:36] <AndyTheAbsurd> (__)\ )\/\
[15:56:39] <AndyTheAbsurd> ||----w |
[15:56:41] <AndyTheAbsurd> || ||
[15:56:44] <AndyTheAbsurd> Yes I have.
[15:57:15] <cmn32480> i din't know Hippopotomusses said moo!
[15:57:54] <chromas> ~cowsay dogs say rough
[15:57:56] <AndyTheAbsurd> Hippopatamuses (or however the fuck you spell it) say whatever they want
[15:58:20] <cmn32480> being that big... I guess you could
[15:59:12] <AndyTheAbsurd> I hear they're also extremely aggressive about protecting their territory
[15:59:34] <chromas> Hippopotamussosceles
[15:59:58] <AndyTheAbsurd> And look on the teeth on this guy: http://gifrific.com
[16:00:08] <AndyTheAbsurd> You really wanna mess with that?
[16:15:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Synapse Discovery Could Lead to New Treatments for Alzheimer's Disease - http://sylnt.us - more-research-more-hope
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[17:28:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, down for a while. gotta copy a couple hundred gigs worth of /home over to a different drive
[17:47:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Age of ‘Pre-Crime’ has Arrived - http://sylnt.us - you're-kidding,-right?
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[19:09:59] <cmn32480> that must be your OPA cache from last night
[19:10:28] <cmn32480> interesting... Chrome seems to be failing on more and more sites and network devices that I use.
[19:10:36] <cmn32480> Firefox keeps rolling right along.
[19:10:44] <cmn32480> maybe it is time to go back to Firefox....
[19:12:00] <cmn32480> but dear god I hate the VSphere web client....
[19:12:16] <nick> palemoon is what all the kids are talking about
[19:14:57] * nick thinks wikipedia should buy cheaper coffee
[19:16:16] * cmn32480 might try it
[19:16:34] <cmn32480> I have 4? 5? browsers already installed. What's one more!
[19:17:57] <nick> i plan on trying it out soon, hoping to switch as a main browser
[19:18:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tracking Someone Using LifeLock - http://sylnt.us - how-to-be-a-stalker-101
[19:20:56] <nick> after opera went to webkit/blink i switched back to firefox, still use ie and chrome sometimes because work
[19:21:25] <cmn32480> I've been ahving more and more trouble with chrome
[19:21:44] <cmn32480> certain interfaces just completely die in it lately
[19:21:56] <cmn32480> VShpere 6 Web client is one of them
[19:23:09] <nick> never liked chrome, always advise against using it
[19:23:21] <cmn32480> right
[19:23:26] <cmn32480> all the Google hooks
[19:23:44] <nick> too much google
[19:24:39] <nick> did use chromium for a while, it was bundled with l/xubuntu if i recall
[19:24:40] <cmn32480> I wish Facebook woudl put out a browser.
[19:24:48] <cmn32480> that'd be the bestest
[19:24:50] * cmn32480 ducks
[19:25:12] <nick> well, there's good and bad to that
[19:25:28] <nick> a facebook walled garden of internet
[19:25:59] <cmn32480> AOL from 20 years ago....
[19:26:10] <cmn32480> I suppose things come full circle
[19:26:25] <nick> i believe it is going back that way
[19:26:53] <cmn32480> and only the nerds will want the "full" internet again
[19:27:03] <nick> facebook has the drones right?
[19:27:13] <cmn32480> I don't have much argument against ir
[19:27:55] <nick> tried to delete my profile on facebook before anyone really cared about it, it's still apparently there.
[19:28:09] <nick> never actually used it
[19:28:28] <cmn32480> it is becoming very much the same thing that AOL and CompuServe were years ago... this little corner of things is the internet to al ot of people
[19:28:54] * cmn32480 madly looks up nick on facebook...
[19:29:05] <cmn32480> hmmm... 432,842 choices...
[19:29:15] <cmn32480> it's gonna be a long night... <sigh>
[19:29:18] <nick> lol
[19:30:56] <nick> you are right though, about facebook essentially being the internet
[19:31:16] <nick> facebook, amazon, major retailers
[19:32:37] <cmn32480> not quite as restrictive as AOL, but they have email, chatrooms, news, access to retailers for online shopping...
[19:32:45] <cmn32480> it is like emacs... it jsut keeps expanding
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[20:13:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, might wanna keep an eye on the subs list for a 20 person shooting in cali
[20:14:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> or nick, i'm not picky
[20:14:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://risenews.net
[20:14:24] <LiquidSmake> ^ 03ERROR: The requested URL could not be retrieved
[20:14:46] <cmn32480> apparently not... talking about your ball hitch in public like that
[20:15:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> zactly
[20:15:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> and now, since everyone i disagree with seems to wanna call me a sociopath anyway, ima not care and have a nap
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[20:30:41] <chromas> =title http://risenews.net
[20:30:41] <LiquidSmake> ^* 03ERROR: The requested URL could not be retrieved
[20:30:54] <chromas> =del .titles.cache/http://risenews.net/2015/12/at-least-20-victims-in-mass-shooting-incident-in-california/
[20:30:55] <LiquidSmake> k
[20:30:56] <chromas> =title http://risenews.net
[20:30:57] <exec_> └─ 13At Least 20 Victims In Mass Shooting Incident In California
[20:30:57] <LiquidSmake> ^ 03At Least 20 Victims In Mass Shooting Incident In California
[20:30:59] <exec_> └─ 13At Least 20 Victims In Mass Shooting Incident In California
[20:31:16] <chromas> seems my squid keeps dying
[20:31:59] * chromas considers taking it out of the loop since it doesn't cache anything
[20:32:31] <cmn32480> <giggle>
[20:32:53] <cmn32480> braking bots again chromas?
[20:33:29] <chromas> Always
[20:33:31] <chromas> with wings
[20:34:47] <chromas> hm, why'd exec suddenly do titles? I didn't see it get switched on
[20:35:10] <cmn32480> when you were offline yesterday
[20:35:21] <cmn32480> somebody squealed... so I turned them on
[20:35:29] <cmn32480> feel free to turn them off
[20:35:34] <chromas> I turned it off last night though
[20:35:45] <chromas> https://yahoo.com
[20:35:46] <LiquidSmake> ^ 03Error ( https://www.yahoo.com )
[20:35:47] <exec_> └─ 13Yahoo
[20:35:48] <exec_> └─ 13Yahoo
[20:35:52] <chromas> hm
[20:36:02] <chromas> didn't even reply to tmb a bit ago
[20:36:03] <cmn32480> ~title off
[20:36:04] <exec_> titles disabled for 10#Soylent
[20:36:22] <cmn32480> http://www.bbc.co.uk
[20:36:24] <LiquidSmake> ^ 03'Multiple deaths' in California shooting - BBC News
[20:36:34] <cmn32480> problem solved, maybe?
[20:36:42] <cmn32480> exec doesn't seem to like TMB
[20:36:45] <chromas> but now we'll never know why :(
[20:36:55] <cmn32480> ~title on
[20:36:57] <exec_> titles enabled for 10#Soylent
[20:36:59] <chromas> exec_: why do you torment me so?
[20:36:59] <cmn32480> ok
[20:37:07] <cmn32480> keep playing
[20:37:46] <cmn32480> ~say chromas: Because I like you more than TheMightyBuzzard
[20:37:47] <exec_> chromas: Because I like you more than TheMightyBuzzard
[20:38:24] <chromas> ~last message=\~title until=2015-11-02 17:30:0
[20:38:27] <exec_> 03[2015-11-01 02:03:3] #Soylent <crutchy> ~title http://sylnt.us
[20:38:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> why for you make my computer go beep beep beep when i'm trying to have a nap?
[20:39:02] <cmn32480> ~say TMB: Because I like you more than chromas
[20:39:04] <exec_> TMB: Because I like you more than chromas
[20:39:07] <chromas> Didn't think you'd hear it over your spinning devil noises
[20:40:17] <cmn32480> or the sawing of logs
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[20:54:51] <Gravis> i am, red, white, black and yellow. what am i?
[20:55:35] <cmn32480> half a box of crayons?
[20:55:55] <Gravis> nope
[20:56:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> "the little children of the world"?
[20:56:23] <K_benzoate> Multiple active shooters in San Bernardino.
[20:56:24] <Gravis> nope
[20:56:37] <cmn32480> working on in K_benzoate
[20:57:28] <cmn32480> it hit the front page 9 minutes ago
[20:58:59] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: i think the biggest problem with your economic theory is that what is of value is defined arbitrarily by businesses based on profitability.
[20:59:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's not arbitrary, that's reasoned.
[21:00:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's also defined by what yer proletariat are willing to buy though
[21:00:43] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: or what businesses are willing to sell
[21:01:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh come on now, you're the same guy who'd tell me a business would sell its ceo's mother for a nickle.
[21:01:23] <Gravis> they would
[21:01:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> there ya go then. if they'll sell anything, it's not defined by them at all.
[21:01:45] <Gravis> but they wouldn't do that if they could get more for selling their aunt
[21:02:30] <Gravis> and if there is a product that decreases a persons dependency on them, they won't sell that
[21:02:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's not about businesses anyway. that's just a fancy, abstracted way of saying one person sees a need that he can fill and profit from doing so.
[21:03:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> it always boils down to one person.
[21:03:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> bleh. i moved my data to the wrong drive
[21:03:49] <Gravis> corporations are willing to sue people into the ground to defend their business model
[21:04:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> put data on the one getting SMART errors from the one that wasn't.
[21:04:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i'm not a fan of that but people do the same to companies for just as fucked up reasons. needs to be tort reform all the way around.
[21:06:09] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: also, if people shouldn't eat if they don't work, does this mean you think nobody should get an inheritance?
[21:06:40] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: because billionaires have enough money to provide for their family for generations
[21:06:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, that money's done been worked for. it's up to the person who made it to dispose of it any way they see fit.
[21:07:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, bout three of them, yeah. most family wealth is gone in three generations.
[21:07:32] <Gravis> so you have to work... unless you are born into the right family?
[21:08:07] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: is that right?
[21:08:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> luck of the draw. tends to make for utterly worthless people but i'm not gonna steal from them.
[21:08:26] <Gravis> steal from them? doesn't that imply they earned it?
[21:08:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> someone earned it or it wouldn't be there.
[21:09:27] <Gravis> well if you just need "someone" to earn money to have it, wouldn't theft be a valid occupation?
[21:09:46] <Gravis> someone earned it but you got it.
[21:09:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> it would if world+dog hadn't decided it was bad.
[21:10:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> it in fact used to be quite acceptable in the US before europeans got here for instance.
[21:11:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> generally i'm not for letting every little whim of society influence fiscal policy but that one i gotta agree with.
[21:11:34] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: few people would disagree that stealing is wrong if you are only doing it to survive.
[21:11:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, still wrong just necessary.
[21:12:22] <Gravis> oh... so now we are going with what's necessary?
[21:12:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp, note the "still wrong" bit.
[21:13:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> people tend to drop their morals when it comes to being able to eat regularly.
[21:13:41] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: so i guess taxes (which you call theft) are fine then if it keeps people without food from dying
[21:13:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope.
[21:14:00] <cmn32480> story cache... <sigh>
[21:14:05] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: how is it different?
[21:14:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> it isn't. nowhere did i say theft wasn't wrong. i in fact said just the opposite.
[21:15:02] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: ok... then taxes are necessary
[21:15:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp
[21:15:38] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: but the people without food need to steal to stay alive and taxes are stealing.
[21:15:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> personal necessity vs collective.
[21:16:10] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: so even theives have to "earn it"?
[21:16:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's understandable but it's not moral and for me it is not necessary.
[21:16:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup.
[21:17:01] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: well if theft is work, why do you considered it wrong?
[21:17:15] <nick> taxes are stealing in the same way stealing from an employer allows you to 'eat' as you do not feel fairly compensated, you're not actually stealing the loaf of bread
[21:17:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> arbitrary code of morals. all moral codes are arbitrary.
[21:17:59] <Gravis> so... in other words, "because!"
[21:18:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> basically. it's what we overwhelmingly believe as a species lately.
[21:19:15] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: really? because people without money generally dont believe that the few people with all the money deserve it.
[21:19:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, that's what we call greed.
[21:19:32] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: majority rule.
[21:19:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mark Zuckerberg to Donate $45 Billion Facebook Fortune to Charity - http://sylnt.us - it-sounds-good-on-its-face || 20 Victims in California Shooting - http://sylnt.us
[21:20:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> majority rule don't make anything right. morals only come in units of the individual.
[21:21:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> so yeah, if you wanna look at it like we're oppressing thieves, go for it.
[21:21:55] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: i gotta say, of all the people i've met on the net, you are the person that is the most full of shit. your beliefs on economics are contradictory and contrived.
[21:22:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's nice
[21:22:31] <Gravis> you are a sad soul and i pity you.
[21:23:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> come back when you have a better solution. all you've offered is "what if robots could do everything for us".
[21:23:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> that and a buck might get you a cup of coffee.
[21:23:43] <Gravis> do everything? no. build everything, yes.
[21:24:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> point is, it does us no good whatsoever right now.
[21:24:28] <Gravis> and you only value the here and now?
[21:24:37] <Gravis> spoken like a true capitalist!
[21:24:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> i live in the here and now, i plan for the future.
[21:25:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> but you my friend ignore the here and now and try to sell dreams as a viable economic policy.
[21:25:29] <chromas> What if those future robots are feminists or run systemd?
[21:25:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> you simply put have no argument.
[21:26:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> hell, you haven't even tried to put forth an argument. you've only asked about my positions.
[21:26:38] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: we have the technology but the stupidity is shortsighted greed is stifling it.
[21:26:57] <Gravis> -is+of
[21:27:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, we most certainly do not. AI is quite a long way away from anything even approaching what is necessary.
[21:27:27] <chromas> Zuckerberg shoudl've dumped his $45b into robots instead of charities
[21:27:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can tell by how it hasn't been made yet. computer guys make things compulsively.
[21:27:55] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: clearly you dont know much about manufacturing or computer vision
[21:28:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> you think?
[21:28:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i'm certain you know my skill set better than i do.
[21:28:31] <Gravis> yes, you have made your ignorance abundantly clear
[21:29:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> go then my fine friend and flip the switch on the AI that will save us all.
[21:30:06] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: remember this part? "we have the technology but the stupidity is shortsighted greed is stifling it."
[21:30:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> phone
[21:33:35] <crutchy> coffee++
[21:33:35] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1939
[21:37:34] <crutchy> i thought the colorado springs shooting wasn't going to be enough for obama to push his gun control agenda... suddenly less than a week later...
[21:38:13] <crutchy> they could have made it a little bit less obvious if they had used something other than a black suv
[21:39:12] <crutchy> if they painted it camo and put a big set of bull horns on the front and committed it in texas somewhere they could have blamed the republicans
[21:40:05] <nick> the coverage of this incident has been total shit so far
[21:41:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, he couldn't gun control passed if jesus introduced him for the state of the union speech.
[21:42:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, we do not have the technology. we do not have the ai, self-replicating machines are in their infancy, and you have yet to come up with a way to make that which is actually scarce non-scarce.
[21:43:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> or do you have a way to rearrange protons, neutrons, and electrons efficiently that you haven't told anyone about?
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[21:48:17] <K_benzoate> Are you seriously suggesting Obama is behind this?
[21:48:51] <nick> they got to him already
[21:52:50] <K_benzoate> Don't get me wrong, I'm sure these tragedies will be used to push a political agenda; but thinking the government stages them is delusional.
[21:53:57] <_NSAKEY> 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB. WAKE UP, SHEEPLE.
[21:54:28] <_NSAKEY> Back to seriousness, it's a bit dead right now but you can listen to the San Bernadino cops here: https://twitter.com
[21:54:29] <LiquidSmake> ^ 03_NSAKEY on Twitter: "For anyone wanting to get real time #SanBernadino shooting info: https://t.co"
[21:54:30] <exec_> └─ 13_NSAKEY on Twitter: "For anyone wanting to get real time #SanBernadino shooting info: https://t.co"
[21:54:31] <exec_> └─ 13Twitter / ?
[21:54:37] <_NSAKEY> Oops, sorry about that.
[21:54:45] <_NSAKEY> http://www.broadcastify.com
[21:54:45] <LiquidSmake> ^ 03San Bernardino Police System 10 - Live Audio Feed Web Player
[21:54:47] <_NSAKEY> There's the link.
[21:54:47] <exec_> └─ 13San Bernardino Police System 10 - Live Audio Feed Web Player
[21:55:06] <_NSAKEY> This is a list of 10 codes that should help, as well: http://www.mendosa.com
[21:55:07] <LiquidSmake> ^ 03Radio and Identification Codes
[21:55:10] <exec_> └─ 13Radio and Identification Codes
[21:55:50] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: we have plenty of all the elements we need. there is no scarcity there.
[21:56:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> so rare earths are called that for no reason? huh. learn something new every day.
[21:56:38] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: actually, they are quite abundant, so yeah, it is a misnomer.
[21:56:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> last i checked we were also running exceedingly low on helium on a global scale as well.
[21:57:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, true as an overall category. untrue if you need a specific element.
[21:57:30] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: perhaps the biggest issue is recycling. we dont do it because it's "costly" but that's just money
[21:57:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> and money is just human effort. so get to efforting.
[21:57:54] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: we can harvest it from the atmostphere.
[21:58:07] <Gravis> helium doesn't disappear
[21:58:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> not at the moment we can't. get to figuring that out as well.
[21:58:21] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: money is NOT human effort.
[21:58:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> betcha a dollar it is.
[21:58:47] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: i bet you the future of humanity that it's not
[21:59:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> money is absolutely nothing but an abstraction of work that is more easily traded than say a roofer having to wait until wal-mart needs a new roof to get something from them.
[22:00:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's all it ever has been.
[22:00:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> mind you, it has to be work that someone somewhere finds useful.
[22:01:06] <Gravis> incorrect, money is a way to assign value to something but it doesn't mean it has value
[22:01:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> that is not contradictory to what i just said.
[22:01:56] <Gravis> yes it is because not all effort translates to money
[22:02:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> of course not, you have to trade said work for money deliberately.
[22:02:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> and the person you're doing the work for has to value it.
[22:02:58] <K_benzoate> Helium does disappear. Solar radiation strips away some of the atmosphere and sends it into space. You can even see it, at the poles, as aurora.
[22:03:08] <Gravis> the problem is that value is arbitrary
[22:03:10] <everdred> coffee++
[22:03:10] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1940
[22:03:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's not a problem, that's an opportunity.
[22:03:57] <Gravis> K_benzoate: actually, no, that happened to mars but the magnetic field of earth is protecting our atmosphere
[22:04:18] <K_benzoate> Happens on Earth, too. http://science.nasa.gov
[22:04:19] <LiquidSmake> ^ 03Solar Wind blows some of Earth's atmosphere into space - NASA Science
[22:04:20] <exec_> └─ 13Solar Wind blows some of Earth's atmosphere into space - NASA Science
[22:05:35] <K_benzoate> Our magnetosphere protects us but not completely.
[22:06:19] <Gravis> K_benzoate: interesting. well, we still have fusion. :)
[22:07:31] <K_benzoate> Weird, that Nasa.gov site is hosted in Italy.
[22:07:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> not in an efficient manner yet.
[22:07:46] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: opportunity? to what, take what isn't earned?
[22:07:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> soon maybe but soon is not now.
[22:07:55] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: i think that's the definition of theft
[22:08:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, to find a need and fill it instead of digging holes nobody wants dug.
[22:09:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> buggy whip makers get no sympathy from me for continuing to make buggy whips when we've had cars for a hundred years give or take.
[22:09:48] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: i don't know what happened to you, bro but i wouldn't wish this state upon anyone.
[22:10:19] <Gravis> you can't see the truth in front of you
[22:10:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> what, because i demand a person be useful if they want me to give them something? that's everyone since the dawn of time man.
[22:11:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> liberal tardasses like you only come along when a society is so successful that people have the free time to whine about having it so good.
[22:11:53] <K_benzoate> I think you're both partially right. Before we have anything close to "post-scarcity" we'll have 50%, or 25% or 10% (which translates to unemployment) which is enough to invalidate TMB's preferred economic system but not enough to birth something new.
[22:12:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> K_benzoate, very likely.
[22:13:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> go to any communist/socialist country. pick a random person. offer them fiddy grand for their beat up PoS car. see if they take it or if they say no, they have to sell it cheaper because society demands it.
[22:13:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's if they have a car in the first place
[22:13:20] <Gravis> "liberalism - a. A political theory founded on the natural goodness of humans and the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political liberties, government by law with the consent of the governed, and protection from arbitrary authority."
[22:13:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, that's a good definition. it's not however what liberals are today.
[22:13:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> that definition fits libertarians far better than democrats.
[22:15:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> liberals today? largely totalitarians who want the government to take a heavy hand in matters. liberty be damned.
[22:16:34] <Gravis> you are so blind. *sigh*
[22:16:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> show me a liberal that believes like that definition and we'll get along just fine. you? you're not even close man.
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[22:18:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> you lot are currently wanting a minority party (a third, tops) to be given control over the fiscal and social liberties of every person in the nation.
[22:19:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> "liberals" currently want to effectively get rid of the first, second, and fourth amendments.
[22:19:53] <K_benzoate> regressive leftists want that
[22:19:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> look really closely at the group you've chosen to side with. if you can't see that much at least, i'm not the one here who needs glasses.
[22:20:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> K_benzoate, yup.
[22:20:15] <K_benzoate> It's the SJW crowd that people hate when they rag on liberals
[22:20:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> and they currently control the democratic party.
[22:20:25] <K_benzoate> I'm a liberal and I hate them too
[22:20:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're all right by me then man.
[22:21:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> really wish yall could wrangle control of the party back from the nutjobbies. might be worth a damn again.
[22:21:42] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: i don't want to take anything from anyone, i just want to make it so that people dont have to depend on corporations that would exploit them.
[22:22:41] <K_benzoate> Republicans have the same problem with the signs reversed. The nutters are controlling both asylums.
[22:22:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, you want to make it so that you wave a magic wand and get whatever you want. it's a nice fantasy but that's all it is.
[22:22:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> K_benzoate, truth.
[22:23:15] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: no, it's automation and it's the future.
[22:23:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you say so man. i'm pretty sure you and i will not be alive to see it though.
[22:24:53] <K_benzoate> Probably true, but it's not too early to start thinking about how to handle the transition.
[22:25:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> absolutely. just don't go throwing out what works until there's reason to.
[22:29:27] <Gravis> K_benzoate: the transition? it won't happen in country with people so twisted and hardened that they think people should die for not working.
[22:29:50] <K_benzoate> You're right, that attitude is a problem.
[22:29:58] <Gravis> K_benzoate: it will happen elsewhere and despite efforts to stop it, it will rip apart the other coutries.
[22:31:04] <Gravis> the reason they can't stop it is because it's information
[22:32:03] <K_benzoate> We don't know what the future will look like or what the solutions will be, so the necessary attribute to navigate those problems will be open-mindedness for novel public policy. That's a hard sell in this country. But we'll probably be one of the ones doing the ripping apart of other weaker nations.
[22:32:26] <K_benzoate> We've done so well under the current paradigms and that wealth/power will carry over for a long time even if we refuse to change.
[22:33:53] <Gravis> that's the thing, power depends on people willing to give it to you
[22:34:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> ?!
[22:34:05] <Gravis> when money has no power, that will change a lot
[22:34:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> fool
[22:35:54] <K_benzoate> On some levels of analysis, perhaps. But there are situations, past and present, where society gets trapped in a local optimum condition that sucks. Everyone knows it sucks. But no one can change it because it's stable.
[22:36:22] <K_benzoate> Look at North Korea, or Papua New Guinea before WWII.
[22:36:57] <K_benzoate> Game theory does a good job describing these problems formally
[22:37:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. our situation however does not currently remotely suck. we have one of the highest standards of living on the planet.
[22:38:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> mean or median, take your pick, we're still up in the top of the list.
[22:38:15] <K_benzoate> Relative inequality within a society does matter.
[22:38:28] <K_benzoate> And we have a lot of that.
[22:38:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> only insofar as it breeds greed.
[22:38:43] <K_benzoate> And resentment and crime and disharmony
[22:40:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> people are shits. they'd rather bitch about not having as much money as Gates than be thankful they have three TVs, an internet connection, five cell phones, a car or two, and enough food to eat every month.
[22:42:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> and yes, the average poverty level person in the us has two televisions, a car, a cell phone, and enough to buy food for the month.
[22:43:00] <K_benzoate> People who have all those things aren't typically the ones who are resentful, that's a caricature.
[22:43:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's cause of how we calculate poverty.
[22:44:23] <K_benzoate> It's perfectly reasonable, in our society, to count some of those people as poor.
[22:44:38] <takyon> http://boingboing.net
[22:44:39] <LiquidSmake> ^ 03Corrupt Alabama police planted drugs and guns on young black men and the DA covered it up: report / Boing Boing
[22:44:40] <exec_> └─ 13Corrupt Alabama police planted drugs and guns on young black men and the DA covered it up: report / Boing Boing
[22:44:41] <K_benzoate> It's relative, and humans care about relative differences a lot
[22:44:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, see above re: people being shits.
[22:45:25] <takyon> doublelinkbot for maXposure
[22:45:35] <K_benzoate> Well you can't change human nature as easily as you can change the tax code and provide social services.
[22:45:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~title off
[22:45:43] <exec_> titles disabled for 10#Soylent
[22:46:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> K_benzoate, s'true. i wouldn't even try. that's where everyone proposing a non-capitalistic society goes wrong. humans default to capitalism left to their own devices. it's part of human nature.
[22:47:22] <K_benzoate> You can have capitalism and provide basic services to everyone
[22:47:26] <K_benzoate> That's what I'm for
[22:47:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, that's what exec and LiquidSmake are for
[22:47:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, you mean that's what you're going for. roger.
[22:49:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> me, i want everyone to have the opportunity to fail or succeed in a system that isn't rigged. wealthy or poor alike.
[22:51:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> but like with healthcare. we simply do not have the money to both be a prosperous nation and provide the world's best healthcare to every citizen. either standards of care must fall or we must get a massive infusion of capital.
[22:51:43] <K_benzoate> I can agree with that, with some reservations. I think "failing" doesn't have to be as brutal as we currently make it.
[22:52:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> right now we do provide the world's best healthcare but only to those who can afford it. to keep the same costs on average, the standard of care must also be averaged.
[22:53:03] <K_benzoate> Other countries do it, and they deliver better health outcomes than we do, for less money.
[22:53:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> clarification: on average outcomes not peak outcomes.
[22:53:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> and they do so largely with technology created by our system, which will not continue to happen with radical change.
[22:54:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean it's basic math. if there's not a gerzillion bucks to be made in it, you're not going to invest a quarter of a gerzillion in R&D.
[22:55:30] <chromas> http://threatpost.com
[22:55:32] <LiquidSmake> ^ 03Angler Exploit Kit Spreading Cryptowall 4.0 | Threatpost | The first stop for security news ( https://threatpost.com )
[22:55:36] <chromas> Angler. TMB must be behind it
[22:55:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> fooshin?
[22:55:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, hackin. nah i quit that a long time ago.
[22:56:08] <chromas> angling
[22:56:26] <chromas> maybe they called it that because it was meant for phishing
[22:56:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> just wish the roomie would get back so we could take the boat out. it's fine fine fishin weather this week.
[22:58:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, it's late enough to start gettin dinner ready!
[22:58:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> later taters
[23:21:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Japanese Exoskeleton Could Help Users Walk and Run, No Batteries Required - http://sylnt.us - get-a-spine
[23:35:26] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: i'm going to earn money by helping people prepare for data emergencies. it's called ransomware, you may have heard of it.
[23:36:40] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: it's free service where i simulate a data disaster and if you are prepared, no problem. if not, you can pay and i'll help you get your data back from the simulation.
[23:36:43] <K_benzoate> It's a growth industry
[23:38:34] <chromas> like cancer treatment
[23:38:37] <Gravis> K_benzoate: it's as legit as selling an insecure OS and then selling security software.
[23:39:15] <chromas> who does that?
[23:39:16] <Gravis> chromas: nah, closer to a supernova. ;)
[23:39:31] <Gravis> chromas: what do you think microsoft does?
[23:39:36] <chromas> cancer treatment involves growths
[23:39:44] <chromas> they give away their security software
[23:39:50] <chromas> at least for home users
[23:40:39] <Gravis> chromas: windows defender is not security software, it's a farce
[23:40:51] <chromas> so really it's the opposite of your idea, which is free insecurity, expensive security :)
[23:41:12] <chromas> does that have mse built in now?
[23:41:45] <Gravis> chromas: well what do you think norton/macrappie/panda/etc have been selling?
[23:42:07] <chromas> not an insecure OS
[23:42:27] <Gravis> chromas: exactly, that's microsoft's part in the scheme
[23:42:44] <Gravis> microsoft sells the disease and other people sell the cure
[23:42:54] <chromas> that's a little difference from doing both
[23:42:59] <chromas> s/ce/t/
[23:42:59] <sedctl> <chromas> that's a little different from doing both
[23:43:40] <Gravis> chromas: only slightly. they are closer to evolved organisms than people care to admit.
[23:44:10] <chromas> Microsoft? Or "norton/macrappie/panda/etc"?
[23:44:30] <Gravis> the whole lot of them
[23:45:09] <Gravis> microsoft is like a whale that gets tons of barnacles and then waits around as fish eat them.
[23:45:22] <Gravis> it's symbiotic
[23:45:36] <chromas> Sure. They evolve, they kind of have a will. Groups are artificial intelligence! Kill it, quick!
[23:46:24] <chromas> We just need more malware for loonix and the bsds
[23:47:01] <Gravis> chromas: i actually think we do in order to become more secure
[23:47:29] <chromas> Well spank me and call me a monkey. I expected the ol' "unix is moar securez" line
[23:47:41] <chromas> Gravis++
[23:47:41] <Bender> karma - gravis: 3
[23:48:11] <Gravis> in general the code has proven to be more secure, yes but that doesn't mean we've gotten all the bugs
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[23:50:00] <Gravis> microsoft has a tendency to frenestrate it's code when it's comes to the end of an OS' lifetime. linux has code that just evolves as needed and occassionally throwing it out with hopes of a better replacement.
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[23:51:06] <Gravis> defenestrate*
[23:51:47] <Gravis> nah, not out the window... maybe more like shoving it under the bed.
[23:52:03] <Gravis> i'm not sure there is a word for that
[23:52:06] * chromas tosses on some abstractions
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[23:54:44] <takyon> hi
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[23:55:05] <Gravis> chromas: unixes have no special powers, it's just designed better with security built-in. open source code is less likely to have gapping security holes but that doesn't mean there are no holes at all.
[23:55:38] <chromas> Well, they've got some of the same web browsers
[23:55:42] <chromas> as windows
[23:55:49] <takyon> I got an 11.6 inch chromebook today
[23:56:00] <chromas> flashplayer and such; some of the recently popular infection vectors
[23:56:12] <chromas> takyon: but does it run linux? :D
[23:56:22] <takyon> I hope so
[23:56:53] <Gravis> chromas: flashplayer vulns are cross platform. :(
[23:56:57] <Gravis> aren't*
[23:57:14] <Gravis> oi, just slight mistake there. <_<;
[23:57:30] <takyon> one thing I noticed early on is that one of the first screens on first booting linked to "Security settings" and all that it had was a Trusted Platform Module key
[23:57:40] <chromas> if adobe can't get its shit together for windows builds, why would I expect it to for linux builds?
[23:58:31] <Gravis> chromas: you shouldn't. there are plenty of vulns on the linux version, too, they just have to be exploited differently
[23:58:47] <Gravis> chromas: honestly, i disabled flash a long time ago
[23:59:30] <chromas> Then, once you've got an in to someone's linux computer, they've got all the same types of auto-start hooks as windows, especially if they're running a big de (which regular users would do if oyu could get them to switch)