#Soylent | Logs for 2015-11-28
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[00:02:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, that is way too long to be anyone's anthem.
[00:06:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> my theme song for the day: https://www.youtube.com
[00:07:00] <timecube> ^ 03Reel Big Fish - Fuck Off Song - YouTube
[00:41:07] <crutchy> cmn32480|away, #comments feed works :)
[00:41:43] <crutchy> ~join #test
[00:42:13] <crutchy> the #github feed won't work without some tweaking cos it uses my github account
[01:00:38] -!- K_benzoate has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]
[01:03:19] <crutchy> SN is taking on a disturbing flavor this weekend. first comparing engineers to terrorists, and now the first comment in the colorado springs shooting article is a pot shot at the tea party
[01:04:07] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you have shitty taste in music
[01:05:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, given your taste in everything else, I'll take that as a compliment.
[01:05:57] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: take it however you like, just don't play it around other humans.
[01:06:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, see the title of the song
[01:08:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, i blame the regressives. they're too full of their own shit to be properly full of turkey and all passive like us sane folk.
[01:09:59] <crutchy> ~define regressive
[01:10:01] <exec_> regressive: unable to find definition
[01:10:22] <crutchy> we don't celebrate turkey day here
[01:10:26] <crutchy> just another day
[01:10:32] <cmn32480|away> sure you do.
[01:10:41] <cmn32480|away> you call it "Thursday"
[01:11:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> regressive: person who calls themself a progressive but is in favor of segregation, sexism, racism, and all kinds of other anti-progressive ideals.
[01:11:15] <crutchy> i guess if drinking coffee before going to work could be considered celeration
[01:11:20] <chromas> thought we were calling them SJWs
[01:11:22] <AndyTheAbsurd> Gravis is right, this song is TERRIBLE. The music's too happy for its subject matter. Needs about 1000000x more attitude. Like these guys: https://www.youtube.com
[01:11:23] <timecube> ^ 03Overkill-Fuck You live at Wacken 2007 HQ - YouTube
[01:11:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, synonym
[01:12:10] <crutchy> Gravis, post a link to a song that you like
[01:12:14] <crutchy> please :)
[01:12:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> metal? that's so 80s of you, AndyTheAbsurd
[01:12:35] timecube is now known as F-ckB-t
[01:12:43] <crutchy> metal is for people that don't have enough self-esteem to admit they like AC/DC
[01:12:59] * AndyTheAbsurd likes AC/DC
[01:13:10] <crutchy> metal is just a social cover story
[01:13:20] <cmn32480|away> ditto AndyTheAbsurd!
[01:13:30] <AndyTheAbsurd> I'll even go so far as to admit that I like *some* Nickelback songs.
[01:13:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> metal was cool right up until metallica went apeshit over napster
[01:13:57] <chromas> metallica was metal?
[01:14:04] <cmn32480|away> you are late buzzard
[01:14:10] <crutchy> metallica is ok if you ignore lars
[01:14:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> back in the day, yeah
[01:14:12] <cmn32480|away> after the black album they killed it
[01:14:35] <AndyTheAbsurd> they were never the same after Cliff's death.
[01:14:36] <chromas> AC⚡DC
[01:14:42] <chromas> unicode++
[01:14:43] <Bender> karma - unicode: 5
[01:14:51] <crutchy> just like van halen is ok if you pretend dlr isn't a poof
[01:15:04] <cmn32480|away> DLR si a complete took
[01:15:09] -!- SpallsHurgenson [SpallsHurgenson!~SpallsHur@Soylent/Users/656/SpallsHurgenson] has joined #Soylent
[01:15:11] <cmn32480|away> s/took/tool/
[01:15:11] <sedctl> <cmn32480|away> DLR si a complete tool
[01:15:24] <cmn32480|away> ~weather SpallsHurgenson
[01:15:26] <exec_> 10Bangkok, Thailand - currently 79°F / 26°C, mostly cloudy, wind NE at 5 mph, humidity 72% - Saturday partly cloudy (78°F:95°F / 26°C:35°C), Sunday partly cloudy (80°F:96°F / 27°C:36°C), Monday partly cloudy (80°F:95°F / 27°C:35°C), Tuesday partly cloudy (80°F:94°F / 27°C:34°C)
[01:15:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, say you're not a van hagar fan
[01:15:35] cmn32480|away is now known as cmn32480
[01:15:45] <crutchy> i like some van halen songs
[01:16:02] <crutchy> i just like ac/dc as a band better :p
[01:16:09] <crutchy> and ac/dc music rocks!
[01:16:13] <chromas> s💩c💩ch💩
[01:16:13] <sedctl> <chromas> unichode++
[01:16:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> true
[01:16:29] <SpallsHurgenson> when it comes to music, Bette Midler is the only one for me :)
[01:16:29] <SpallsHurgenson> <nograb>
[01:16:35] <takyon> i napped more than mankind should nap
[01:16:37] <takyon> http://www.tomshardware.com
[01:16:38] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03SanDisk May Be Clearing Extreme Pro SSD Inventory Ahead Of New Release
[01:16:46] <cmn32480> sinatra
[01:17:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> lot to be said for sinatra as well
[01:17:11] <crutchy> ~last channel=#soylent message=Midler
[01:17:23] <cmn32480> Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Jr.
[01:17:31] <cmn32480> the original rat pack.
[01:17:40] <exec_> 03[2015-11-28 01:16:2] #Soylent <SpallsHurgenson> when it comes to music, Bette Midler is the only one for me :)
[01:17:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> !grab exec
[01:17:45] <Bender> Added quote 608
[01:17:45] <crutchy> !grab exec_
[01:17:45] <Bender> Added quote 609
[01:17:47] <crutchy> lol
[01:18:13] <cmn32480> they were a classy group of SERIOUS drunks, who all could sing
[01:18:35] <cmn32480> now I understadn what you mean by the highlights crutchy
[01:18:47] <crutchy> i have a version of sinatra's fly me to the moon that i can't seem to find anywhere on yt
[01:18:48] <crutchy> :(
[01:19:13] <crutchy> its not the album version
[01:19:15] * SpallsHurgenson sings "I've lived a life that's full - I've travelled each and every highway And more, much more than this... I did it my way!"
[01:19:20] <crutchy> sinatra++
[01:19:20] <Bender> karma - sinatra: 2
[01:20:00] <crutchy> SpallsHurgenson, whitney houston > bette midler
[01:20:03] * crutchy ducks
[01:20:38] <crutchy> oh yeah forgots about that
[01:20:58] <cmn32480> s/>/deader than/ crutchy
[01:20:59] <crutchy> cmn32480, by default exec_ will spew any errors and warnings to the #debug channel
[01:21:29] <crutchy> cos the terminal can get a bit... nuts
[01:21:32] * SpallsHurgenson sings, "I believe the children are our future... teach them well and let them lead the way. Show them all the beauty they possess inside! Give them a sense of pride to make it easier; let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be"
[01:22:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[01:22:17] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03Sid Vicious - My Way - YouTube
[01:22:27] <cmn32480> I have noticed that crutchy!
[01:22:35] <cmn32480> I need to get him to autojoin #debug
[01:22:44] <crutchy> there's also a windows program called execstat under /interface/delphi that can make it a bit easier to debug scripts
[01:23:17] <cmn32480> ah ha.... good to know
[01:23:26] <crutchy> just check that INIT_CHAN_LIST has #debug in it
[01:24:28] <cmn32480> it dind't until about 20 seconds ago
[01:24:38] <crutchy> or you can change DEBUG_CHAN if you want a different place
[01:24:41] <crutchy> :)
[01:25:13] <cmn32480> nah... here is fine. as long as I stay on that channel, znc will capture the debug for me and I can look at it when time allows
[01:25:48] <crutchy> the bot spews a *lot* less than it used to. there is a lot of output that has been commented out for a while
[01:25:48] -!- K_benzoate [K_benzoate!~textual@56-08-620-95.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #Soylent
[01:26:06] * cmn32480 giggles
[01:26:18] <cmn32480> the output to the terminal used to be MORE????
[01:26:22] <cmn32480> cripe.
[01:27:13] <cmn32480> !quote 608
[01:27:13] <Bender> Quote 608 - <exec> sex machine
[01:27:42] <cmn32480> guess we oughta fix that name thing too too.....
[01:27:43] <crutchy> there is output that has been commented out from the handle_process and handle_buckets functions that used to flood the terminal
[01:28:26] <cmn32480> got it
[01:28:59] <SpallsHurgenson> sex machine? is somebody talking about me again?
[01:29:30] <chromas> We're wondering if you're up for some jobs
[01:29:47] <cmn32480> no. that was quote 609 SpallsHurgenson
[01:29:53] <cmn32480> !quote 609
[01:29:53] <Bender> Quote 609 - <exec_> 03[2015-11-28 01:16:2] #Soylent <SpallsHurgenson> when it comes to music, Bette Midler is the only one for me :)
[01:30:20] <chromas> it's like 69 with a fat guy in the middle
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[01:30:30] <cmn32480> !quote 69
[01:30:30] <Bender> Quote 69 - <crutchy> i shall call him slashy and he will be mine... and he will be my slashy... here little slashy... DORY! THAT'S A PERL TURD! if you touch it you'll never get it off you!
[01:30:46] * SpallsHurgenson sings, "I'm just a gigolo and everywhere I go people know the part I'm playing; paid for each dance, selling each romance, oooh what they're saying!"
[01:30:48] <chromas> ~grab Bender
[01:30:50] <chromas> !grab Bender
[01:30:50] <Bender> I don't know what Bender said, so I can't quote them!
[01:31:40] * chromas gives SpallsHurgenson a few ♩♪♫♬
[01:34:56] <SpallsHurgenson> oooh, boxes!
[01:35:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know what you need for boxes, yeah? https://www.youtube.com
[01:35:19] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03Enormous Penis a cappella (Da Vinci's Notebook) - YouTube
[01:35:59] <SpallsHurgenson> after much consideration and discussion, we have decided not to click on that link
[01:37:24] * cmn32480 clicks the link
[01:37:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> you should. it's a great song to cheer you up first thing in the morning with your coffee.
[01:37:58] <SpallsHurgenson> oooh, is it sung by Bette Midler?
[01:38:02] <cmn32480> ye
[01:38:03] <cmn32480> s
[01:38:40] <SpallsHurgenson> I don't believe you
[01:39:13] <cmn32480> the barbershop harmony is fantastic buzzard
[01:39:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> i thought so. good group and funny on top of it.
[01:39:52] <SirFinkus> and it's true too
[01:40:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> that does help, yep
[01:40:47] * SpallsHurgenson sings, "I've heard there was a secret chord that David played and it pleased the lord, but you don't really care for music do ya? It goes like this - the 4th, the 5th, the minor fall, the major lift: the baffled king composing hallelujah. Hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah!"
[01:40:52] <cmn32480> even the commetns are good
[01:41:49] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[01:41:50] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03Mobe-maker OnePlus 'fesses up to flouting USB-C spec • The Register
[01:42:33] <crutchy> !quote 6
[01:42:33] <Bender> Quote 6 - <mattie_p> 1 is an ongoing effort, and will not cease
[01:42:43] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[01:42:44] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03Australian cops rush to stop 2AM murder of … a spider • The Register
[01:42:55] <crutchy> we love our spiders
[01:43:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> you just say that to get them into bed
[01:43:18] <crutchy> they are our national army that protects us from socialists and neocons
[01:43:35] <crutchy> well, they have been failing recently
[01:43:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> noticed that
[01:44:17] <chromas> ~define mobe
[01:44:18] <exec_> mobe: unable to find definition
[01:44:54] <crutchy> i hereby welcome my soon-to-be chinese overlords
[01:45:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> i wouldn't be so quick to. they filter pr0n with the great firewall as well don't they?
[01:45:37] <chromas> nah, we'll send you guys some guns
[01:45:45] <chromas> then later invade when we change our minds
[01:45:53] <crutchy> chinese make the best pr0nz
[01:46:06] <chromas> do they even have pr0nz?
[01:46:23] <crutchy> dunno. they're definitely *in* pr0nz
[01:46:37] * chromas goes looking
[01:46:43] <chromas> #redtube chinese
[01:46:58] <Gravis> takyon: to be fair, AU has some fucking huge spiders
[01:47:15] * SpallsHurgenson rubs his fingers over his face, "I feel fuzzy"
[01:47:17] <takyon> to be fair, AU is hell on Earth
[01:47:29] <takyon> might as well blanket yourself in venemous spiders
[01:47:34] <takyon> g'day m8
[01:47:46] <crutchy> spiders are ok as long as they aren't hairy
[01:47:50] <SpallsHurgenson> if AU is hell on earth, what does that make NZ? :)
[01:47:54] <crutchy> i don't like the hairy ones
[01:47:55] <Gravis> crutchy: the chinese wont become our overlords, they want our business.
[01:48:11] <crutchy> Gravis, they *are* our business. we are just their workers
[01:48:39] <Gravis> nope
[01:48:50] <Gravis> we still do half of our manufacturing
[01:48:51] <takyon> SpallsHurgenson: IDK, check your copy of Dante's Inferno
[01:49:12] <crutchy> Gravis, what do you mean "we"?
[01:49:18] <crutchy> we as in workers?
[01:49:19] <Gravis> SpallsHurgenson: purgatory?
[01:49:30] <chromas> Gravis is in au
[01:49:39] <Gravis> no, the US
[01:49:40] <chromas> don't be fooled guys, GRAVIS IS A SPIDER!!!
[01:49:52] <takyon> 8 legs bad
[01:49:55] <crutchy> so thats why the spiders are failing
[01:49:58] <SpallsHurgenson> I used to be able to name all 9 levels of dante's hell (and what they each represented)
[01:50:01] * chromas shrieks like a little girl
[01:50:07] <Gravis> /faceleg /faceleg /faceleg /faceleg /faceleg /faceleg /faceleg
[01:50:13] <Gravis> not a spider
[01:50:25] <takyon> spider amputee
[01:50:28] <chromas> balancing on one leg
[01:50:42] <crutchy> faceleg? Gravis, are you trying to give yourself a blowjob?
[01:50:52] <SpallsHurgenson> somehow that knowledge got replaced by lyrics of pop-songs from the '80s...
[01:51:05] <Gravis> crutchy: spiders don't have palms
[01:51:14] <crutchy> lyrics of 80's pop songs is knowledge
[01:51:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Bloggers and Journalists: Did EPO Intimidate and Threaten You Too? - http://sylnt.us - fingering-a-corrupt-governmental-agency
[01:51:30] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: oh, do remember. forgetting...that's one of the levels
[01:52:27] <crutchy> ooh that last bender article has a rather dirty dept.
[01:52:28] <Gravis> crutchy: you asked to post a link to a song i like? i like this one: https://www.youtube.com
[01:52:30] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03Hard 'n Phirm - Pi - YouTube
[01:52:32] * SpallsHurgenson sings, "Hand me down my walkin' cane, hand me down my hat; hurry now and don't be late 'cause we ain't got time to chat. You and me, we're going out to catch the latest sound: guaranteed to blow your mind, so high you won't come down. Hey y'all, prepare yourself for the Rubberband man..."
[01:52:43] * crutchy dares to click
[01:53:33] <crutchy> wtf?! that kinda explains a lot about you
[01:54:07] <crutchy> not bad bass
[01:54:15] <crutchy> would sound ok on the sub
[01:54:27] <crutchy> with... midrange turned all the way down :/
[01:55:04] <SpallsHurgenson> https://www.youtube.com
[01:55:05] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03The Spinners - Rubberband Man - YouTube
[01:55:08] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[01:55:09] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03IT manager jailed for 5 years for attempting dark web gun buy • The Register
[01:55:55] <crutchy> Gravis, sorry mate but that is a shit song :p
[01:56:29] <Gravis> crutchy: pff... you're just mad because you can't remember the lyrics!
[01:57:00] <crutchy> i rarely take any notice of lyrics of any song
[01:57:16] <crutchy> lyrics are just another instrumeent
[01:57:21] <crutchy> ~join #wiki
[01:58:15] <Gravis> the lyrics are Pi! obviously you can't comprehend an irrational number because you are a shitty android!
[01:58:43] <crutchy> anyone who knows pi to more than 4 decimal places is a shitty android
[01:58:46] <chromas> true, a good android would use gmp
[01:59:01] <Gravis> i know, right
[01:59:10] <chromas> unlimited_precision++
[01:59:10] <Bender> karma - unlimited_precision: 1
[01:59:14] <crutchy> knowing pi is like saying you're awesome at using log tables
[01:59:31] <SpallsHurgenson> https://www.youtube.com
[01:59:31] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03Deodato - Also Sprach Zarathustra HQ audio - YouTube
[02:00:12] <chromas> we don't need log tables' we've got journalctl
[02:00:18] <Gravis> crutchy: the jig is up, we already know you are a crappy phone!
[02:00:45] crutchy is now known as fandroid
[02:00:49] <Gravis> chromas: until the log gets corrupted. ;)
[02:00:50] <fandroid> damn :(
[02:00:58] <fandroid> busted
[02:01:09] fandroid is now known as iFandroid
[02:01:10] <chromas> don't corrupt the log. why would you do that?
[02:01:17] <Gravis> LOL
[02:01:31] <Gravis> chromas: that does seem like some solid LP logic
[02:01:33] <iFandroid> my log gets corrupted when the toilet flushes
[02:02:20] <Gravis> iFandroid: so... you get dropped in the toilet a lot.
[02:02:40] <chromas> I wonder if anyone's tried replacing the i/o code from journald to just write out text
[02:02:56] <iFandroid> its ok cos i have a solid log that is hard to flush
[02:03:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> that'd clear up the worst beef with systemd
[02:03:33] <chromas> someone's bound to bend your log to their porcelain will
[02:03:37] <Gravis> chromas: someone actually did that... well, they are trying to do it, they can't seem to find it in all the garbage. ;P
[02:03:50] <chromas> they're not looking hard enough
[02:04:02] <chromas> or squeezing hard enough
[02:04:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> misanthropy: because misogyny is half-assing it
[02:04:27] <Gravis> chromas: well, the person looking appears to have passed out and died
[02:04:28] <chromas> or for that matter, just make a new logging thing. I'm sure the interface is just a socket
[02:04:52] <chromas> because lp masturbates to sockets
[02:05:09] <Gravis> sockets are excellent for IPC
[02:05:25] <Gravis> i mean, shmem is not what i would call ideal
[02:05:42] <takyon> http://www.bbc.com
[02:05:42] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03Colorado Springs: Gun suspect at Planned Parenthood clinic detained - BBC News
[02:05:59] <chromas> was the suspect a coat hangar?
[02:06:07] <iFandroid> who's in charge of the wiki nowadays?
[02:06:16] <Gravis> chromas: nope, just a regular douchebag. ;D
[02:06:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> iFandroid, nobody i don't think
[02:06:26] <chromas> I think the wiki's just kind of there
[02:06:29] <iFandroid> exec_ needs a wiki account with bot flag
[02:06:44] <iFandroid> like, the new exec
[02:06:44] * SpallsHurgenson pushes the make-cpu-cry button
[02:07:01] <iFandroid> or i guess i can just give cmn32480 the pwd for exec's current account
[02:07:06] <iFandroid> yeah might do that instead
[02:07:17] <Gravis> takyon: a bit late on the uptake, bro
[02:07:19] * chromas installs a turbo button in Spalls' computer, then presses it
[02:07:52] <takyon> Gravis: i'm not in colorado
[02:08:02] <Gravis> takyon: nor i
[02:08:02] * iFandroid runs con/con on SpallsHurgenson's pyewta
[02:08:35] <Gravis> the turbo button is so great that they permanently turned it on and removed it so that it couldn't be turned off
[02:08:50] <Gravis> iFandroid: wtf is "con/con"?
[02:08:56] <chromas> or turned it off
[02:09:03] <iFandroid> ~g con/con
[02:09:03] <Gravis> chromas: nope
[02:09:05] <exec_> [google] https://www.youtube.com
[02:09:07] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03ConCon - YouTube
[02:09:23] <chromas> the name was a misnomer. it slowed the cpu for older games
[02:09:30] <iFandroid> pft
[02:09:36] <iFandroid> ~g windows 95 con/con
[02:09:38] <exec_> [google] https://www.youtube.com
[02:09:39] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03windows 95 con/con crash - YouTube
[02:12:06] <SpallsHurgenson> hey, careful; some of us are still running win95!
[02:12:21] <iFandroid> that's how i knew it would work :D
[02:12:53] <iFandroid> no point on win7 or vishita
[02:13:03] <takyon> http://www.synchrotron.org.au
[02:13:06] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03Transport revolution on the horizon following discovery of ‘stainless magnesium’
[02:13:55] <iFandroid> wtf? does australia have a synchrotron?
[02:14:10] <iFandroid> lol or maybe just a synchrotron website :)
[02:14:48] <SpallsHurgenson> are you implying Australia /doesn't/ have a syncrotron? Everyone has one these days! I mean, I have three myself!
[02:15:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> easier to make a website about something than to actually have it. like here in the us, plenty of porn sites but not many naked people at all really.
[02:15:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can go entire days walking around outside and not see one
[02:15:49] <SpallsHurgenson> ahem, no naked people?
[02:16:45] * SpallsHurgenson feels unappreciated
[02:16:47] <SpallsHurgenson> (and cold)
[02:16:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, please. we know you're wearing a vest and a bowler, just to keep it classy.
[02:16:51] <iFandroid> i remember they were talking about building a synchrotron in victoria years ago, but i don't think it ever went ahead
[02:17:15] <iFandroid> fuck. yeah that website was definitely made by nerds. in the about page they don't even say where they are
[02:17:43] <chromas> they're from the internet
[02:17:47] * SpallsHurgenson makes fun of AU for having a state named after a dead british queen :)
[02:20:07] <Gravis> takyon: looks interesting... but the cost of magnesium is way too high right now.
[02:20:34] <SirFinkus> tis the season everybody
[02:20:34] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[02:20:35] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03Chef Keith In Milwaukee (full segment) - YouTube
[02:20:37] <takyon> some will pay more for lightness
[02:21:03] <Gravis> takyon: absolutely, and i'm sure it'll be great for space applications. ;)
[02:22:56] <Gravis> takyon: seriously though, unless we switch to mining it soon, it won't be used for transport
[02:23:09] <Gravis> takyon: there also is danger in making cars that are too light
[02:23:45] <Gravis> planes, not so much
[02:23:48] <chromas> nah, we can just all drive around with spoilers so we'll feel fast
[02:23:51] <takyon> you can add the weight in the bottom, like with Tesla
[02:24:41] <iFandroid> ~join #wiki
[02:24:53] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, its black friday; I forgot to participate in the national festival of destroying one's credit rating. Quick, I need to buy something!
[02:25:07] <Gravis> takyon: i hope you are right but i fear you may not be
[02:25:21] <takyon> SpallsHurgenson: http://slickdeals.net
[02:25:22] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03Black Friday Deals 2015 - Sales, Ads Coupons | Slickdeals
[02:25:26] <Gravis> takyon: either way, seems like it could be great in 20 years. :)
[02:26:02] <Gravis> takyon: because that's how long it will take to become prolific
[02:26:10] <iFandroid> batteries are generally heavy. just install them near the floor. cg problem solved :)
[02:26:23] <takyon> yes, that is what Tesla does
[02:26:43] <takyon> it's one of the main factors giving them very high safety ratings
[02:26:54] <Gravis> though i do wonder, how does it react to fire
[02:27:10] * SpallsHurgenson wonders if he can buy an F-16
[02:27:13] <iFandroid> no worse than current engines
[02:27:17] <iFandroid> that contain magnesium
[02:27:29] <iFandroid> magnesium has been used in engines for a while
[02:27:33] <Gravis> SpallsHurgenson: you can... just not one that functions.
[02:27:54] <iFandroid> you can buy one from Microsoft
[02:27:54] <Gravis> SpallsHurgenson: you also cant fly it even if you fix it
[02:28:00] <takyon> http://uncnews.unc.edu
[02:28:01] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03A huge chunk of a tardigrade's genome comes from foreign DNA - UNC News
[02:28:08] iFandroid is now known as crutchy
[02:28:13] <chromas> is boeing having a black friday sale?
[02:28:25] <Gravis> chromas: nope
[02:28:28] <crutchy> chromas, das racis' nig
[02:28:38] <takyon> "foreign DNA" is defined as DNA that was incorporated into the genome by horizontal gene transfer
[02:28:41] <chromas> maybe black market friday sales
[02:29:21] <crutchy> takyon, i used to engage in horizontal gene transfer with my wife. then i married her
[02:29:24] <SpallsHurgenson> general dynamics, not boeing (well, lockheed now)
[02:29:57] <takyon> pretty sure that's vertical gene transfer, crutchy
[02:29:57] <Gravis> takyon: we get it. a tardigrade is a perv that gets jizzed on a lot by a lot of different things.
[02:30:01] * chromas wants specific dynamics
[02:30:11] <crutchy> takyon, hmm. never tried it standing up
[02:30:25] <chromas> don't you think it's about time?
[02:30:38] <crutchy> i tell my wife that regularly
[02:31:02] <Gravis> crutchy: yeah but that's just because you are telling her you want to leave the house
[02:31:22] <Gravis> she sure is tardy to everything
[02:31:40] <Gravis> gotta find the perfect pair of shoes, right?
[02:31:41] <chromas> sudo apt-get install wine chocolate
[02:32:05] <crutchy> sudo apt-get install understand-gravis-jokes
[02:32:07] <Gravis> sudo shut the fuck up && anger management classes
[02:32:25] <crutchy> ~moo
[02:32:26] <exec_> (__)
[02:32:26] <exec_> (oo)
[02:32:27] <exec_> /------\/
[02:32:27] <exec_> / | ||
[02:32:27] <exec_> * /\---/\
[02:32:28] <exec_> ~~ ~~
[02:32:29] <exec_> ..."Have you mooed today?"...
[02:32:29] * SpallsHurgenson sings (as he madly swings his head up and down and air-guitars frantically), "Don't need reason, don't need rhyme; ain't nothing I would rather do. Going down, party time; my friends are gonna be there too. I'm on the Highway to Hell! I'm on the Highway to Hell! Highway to Hell I'm on the Highway to Hell!"
[02:32:31] <crutchy> aw yeah
[02:32:36] <Gravis> :D
[02:33:27] <Gravis> SpallsHurgenson: you do however need an automobile because it's a highway.
[02:33:37] <crutchy> SpallsHurgenson, have you seen ac/dc at the grammies? i really feel sorry for the poor chick that followed them
[02:33:53] <crutchy> ~g ac/dc grammies youtube
[02:33:55] <exec_> [google] https://www.youtube.com
[02:33:56] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03AC/DC at 2015 Grammys - Rock Or Bust / Highway To Hell - YouTube
[02:34:11] <SpallsHurgenson> crutchy: I don't watch musicians play. they look ridiculous. I just enjoy the music :)
[02:38:34] <crutchy> normally i agree, but only because most modern groups can't sing for shit live and depend on voice changers n shit
[02:38:51] <crutchy> ac/dc looks fkin awesome live
[02:40:09] <SpallsHurgenson> I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on that then (especially since you're wrong :) :) :)
[02:42:38] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: s/to.*since//
[02:42:38] <sedctl> <chromas> <SpallsHurgenson> I guess we'll just have you're wrong :) :) :)
[02:42:43] <chromas> derp
[02:43:22] * SpallsHurgenson sings, "This ain't a song for the broken-hearted, no silent prayer for the faith-departed. I ain't gonna be just a face in the crowd; you're gonna hear my voice when I shout it out loud. It's my life; it's now or never ; I ain't gonna live forever; I just wanna live while I'm alive!"
[02:46:45] <Gravis> i prefer to listen to music in it's finished form. never paid to see someone perform live.
[02:48:29] <Gravis> we invented editing because we suck at getting things right in one take
[02:49:35] <crutchy> oh my gosh ac/dc looks old now :(
[02:49:36] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[02:49:38] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03EXCLUSIVE: AC/DC Angus Young giving it to fans at George V hotel in Paris - YouTube
[02:49:46] <Gravis> crutchy: not just a look, bro.
[02:49:53] <crutchy> they're like geriatrics of rock n roll
[02:50:14] <SpallsHurgenson> <mutter> nothing wrong with being geriatric...
[02:50:21] <SpallsHurgenson> ...and get off my lawn!
[02:50:59] <Gravis> SpallsHurgenson: tell that to darwinism!
[02:52:18] <crutchy> fucked if i know how angus is still doing concerts. he looks like a fkin hobbit
[02:52:26] <crutchy> lol
[02:52:32] <crutchy> angus_young++
[02:52:32] <Bender> karma - angus_young: 1
[02:52:37] <SirFinkus> who is Lee M. Cardholder, and why do I keep getting his mail?
[02:52:54] <chromas> is he the one pushing everyone to use angus beef?
[02:53:08] <Gravis> SirFinkus: no, the question is why do you keep stealing his mail?! >:(
[02:53:10] * SpallsHurgenson sings, "Waaa-aaaa-aaaah-aaah-aaaah! THUNDER Waaa-aaaa-aaaah-aaah-aaaah! THUNDER! Waaa-aaaa-aaaah-aaah-aaaah! THUNDER! Waaa-aaaa-aaaah-aaah-aaaah! THUNDER!"
[02:53:33] cmn32480 is now known as cmn32480|sleepin
[02:53:37] <SpallsHurgenson> (aka, "the neighbors gonna call to complain about the noise" song :)
[02:53:38] <Gravis> that is not the sound that thunder makes
[02:59:28] <SpallsHurgenson> it occurs to me that I have a lot of files.
[03:03:28] * SpallsHurgenson checks the internet to see if there are any files he doesn't have yet
[03:05:02] <SpallsHurgenson> nope, got 'em all.
[03:09:37] * SpallsHurgenson sings, "The sun shines: people forget. The spray fllies as the speedboat glidse; people forget, forget they're hiding. The girls smile; people forget. The snow packs as the skier tracks; people forget, forget their hiding... behind an eminence front."
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[03:34:35] <SpallsHurgenson> yesterday I learned a) apparently I am the only one in the family - nuclear and extended - that doesn't have a Facebook account, and b) no one in the family has less than two facebook accounts (most have many more) because they all have fucked up their accounts or lost their log-in info or whatever
[03:36:30] <chromas> plus sockpuppet accounts
[03:37:29] <SpallsHurgenson> well, maybe the kids but I'm pretty sure none of the adults even would understand the concept... or have enough savvy to pull it off
[03:37:37] <SpallsHurgenson> (I mean, they can't even keep track of their OWN accounts)
[03:38:25] <chromas> condolences all around
[03:38:30] * chromas cops a sympathy feel
[03:38:54] <SpallsHurgenson> hey, hands off the moobs!
[03:52:45] <SpallsHurgenson> (or at least buy me dinner first)
[03:52:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Physicists Set Quantum Record by Using Photons to Carry Messages From Electrons 2 Kilometers Apart - http://sylnt.us - shouting-quietly
[04:00:23] <SpallsHurgenson> so do we have an ansible yet or are they still just teasing us?
[04:33:40] <SpallsHurgenson> I mean, science keeps making these grandiose claims but - except for the internet, and space travel, and robots, and extended lifespans, and comfortable homes, and clean food and water, what has it really done for us?
[04:39:31] <swiss> i have an ansible shirt
[04:39:43] <swiss> closest thing i've found to a true ansible yet :P
[04:46:35] <SpallsHurgenson> does it let you communicate with little green men from Andomeda?
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[06:44:42] <crutchy> ~define ansible
[06:44:43] <exec_> ansible: unable to find definition
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[07:25:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Why Too Much Data Is Stressing Us Out - http://sylnt.us - contexuallyirrelevantrelativeintepretationsofconceptualpsychologicaleconomicscientificpropaganda
[07:26:46] <chromas> intepretation? typotyotypo!
[07:27:09] * chromas summons Gravis to alert the media
[07:44:36] <crutchy> that dept. should be in binary!
[07:48:32] * chromas wonders why this isn't a story: https://soylentnews.org
[07:48:33] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03SN journal Lobbyists Using Refugee Policy Battle to Defeat Regulations 04(0 comments)
[07:52:59] <chromas> lol, google plus profiles support custom genders
[07:56:18] <crutchy> americans have become desensitized to domestic political corruption
[07:56:52] <crutchy> its only bad if it happens elsewhere and CNN/Fox says the people are evil terrorists and must be droned
[07:57:17] <chromas> doublethink is great huh
[07:57:45] <crutchy> but don't worry you're not alone, cos europe and australia are as well
[07:57:47] <chromas> desensitized to that but oversensitive to everything else
[07:58:22] * chromas runs off to shame some chubbos
[07:58:49] <crutchy> by dangling a cupcake just out of their reach?
[07:58:52] <chromas> ooh, it'll be like the people who tell illegals to go back to mexico
[07:58:59] <chromas> "go back to mcdonald's fatty!"
[07:59:24] <chromas> as an american, I wouldn't be able to hold the cupcake for long without eating it
[07:59:28] <crutchy> probably wont work though
[07:59:34] <crutchy> cos 'fat pride' and stuff
[07:59:57] <crutchy> if you're not fat, you're not normal
[08:00:02] <chromas> I'm not sufficiently enraged
[08:00:13] * chromas loads up youtube and watches tl;dr
[08:00:21] <crutchy> and pretty soon... skinny people are terrorists!
[08:00:57] <chromas> well we've already had plenty of "those bodies are unrealistic"
[08:01:37] <chromas> soon we'll be thinshaming
[08:01:37] <crutchy> and retail outlets should be forced to use fat mannequins
[08:01:57] <crutchy> cos retail outlets are too stupid to know what their customers want to see
[08:02:52] <chromas> "it's what's on the inside that counts"
[08:02:52] <chromas> you mean a full boar still on the rotisserie?
[08:03:16] * chromas misses Al Bundy
[08:03:26] <crutchy> it's healthy to want a fat sausage in both ends
[08:03:44] <chromas> that's sexist bra
[08:03:54] <chromas> women can easily take three sausages
[08:03:59] <crutchy> you said 'bra'... so sexist!
[08:04:19] <crutchy> oh my i said bra!
[08:04:24] <crutchy> oooh i said it again
[08:04:36] * crutchy commences stoning himself
[08:05:10] <chromas> hey man, you can't get stone on your own; you're taking away our fun—our jobs! you took our jerb
[08:06:26] <crutchy> ermagerd you're right!
[08:06:55] * crutchy gets busy doing nothing
[08:08:00] <crutchy> ~time chromas
[08:08:02] <exec_> Saturday, 28 November 2015 @ 12:08 am PST - Walla Walla, WA, USA
[08:08:13] <crutchy> saturday brah!
[08:08:23] <crutchy> woohoo!
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[08:57:00] <nagromlt> good for him.
[08:57:57] nagromlt is now known as swampass
[09:00:22] <swampass> https://emancipationforgoalposts1.files.wordpress.com
[09:00:32] <swampass> Serbija strong!
[09:03:21] <swampass> LLet
[09:03:33] <swampass> Let's hope the Russians waste the Turk scum.
[09:03:37] <crutchy> coffee++
[09:03:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1921
[09:03:47] <swampass> sup crutch-dawg
[09:03:56] <swampass> coffee++
[09:03:56] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1922
[09:04:02] <crutchy> nummuch
[09:04:17] <swampass> ditto.
[09:04:54] <swampass> found an amusing crap book written by a meth-addict.
[09:05:13] <swampass> It's a midget-sized book called "glass"
[09:05:45] <crutchy> prolly more insightful than books written for mass consumption
[09:05:47] <swampass> I thought I had written some pretty bad poetry while high on pot in high-school...but "Glass" takes the cake.
[09:06:46] <swampass> since it's slow in here, I'll post some example passages...
[09:07:23] <swampass> This chapter is called "Not a Wink"
[09:08:23] <swampass> "of sleep tonight, I know that without trying. Even if I wasn't totally wired out of my tree, thinking about Trey would keep my mental wheels turining...churning."
[09:08:39] <swampass> DEEP. :|
[09:09:20] <swampass> Here's another passage, from a chapter called, "Not Exactly Forgiven"
[09:11:26] <crutchy> i farted
[09:11:38] <swampass> "On my big bed, swathed in mauve, almost catatonic, some part of me does understand that I have deserted my motherhood post, gone AWOL, at the urging of the enemy -- the monster. But I think, if I can only sleep, I'll find a way back to the company of my family. They HAVE to forgive me, fold me in. Prodigal daughter, kill the fatted lamb. The image comforts me. But not as much as knowing I've still got a fat stash of ice i
[09:11:38] <swampass> n my car, safe inside its lockbox. And I've still got Trey, safe in memory."
[09:11:45] <crutchy> soylent_tweets++
[09:11:45] <Bender> karma - soylent_tweets: 1
[09:12:02] <swampass> tweeker_musings--
[09:12:02] <Bender> karma - tweeker_musings: -1
[09:14:14] <swampass> looking for another...
[09:14:44] <swampass> This chapter is called, "He Wants Me"
[09:15:15] <swampass> "All in one piece...but what does that mean? He wants me? I take the stairs slowly, head turning cartwheels...
[09:15:54] <swampass> It's been so long since anyone has wanted me. At the bottom of the stairs, I turn to look over my shoulder. I want to believe that he wants me. but it's impossible...
[09:16:34] <swampass> ....Trey's backlit silhouette ius still in the doorway. Maybe it isn't impossible. Only highly unlikely. "
[09:18:06] <swampass> It continues...
[09:19:28] <swampass> "cut it out, Kristina, You're just making things worse...I want him to tell me he needs me. Loves me. What am I thinking? I don't want that at all. Yes, I do want that. I want to be in love. Stop it! Don't you know talking to yourself is a sign of insanity?
[09:21:08] <swampass> [troll's note: it's about fucking time somebody published tweeker "literature" and validated all of those teenage Tumblr fools at their expense and our laughter. ]
[09:21:43] <swampass> [troll's note: I have to take a piss and shit now...but this tweeker book is pretty thick and so I will be posting the most hilarious passages]
[09:24:37] <swampass> This chapter is called, "But First"
[09:26:03] <swampass> "I have to convince my mom to lend me her car, and to babysit Hunter -- all on a Friday night. Party night. For almost every partier in America. Hell, it's the American way, as I think almost everyone will agree. Get out of school or off work, put on clean clothes, and look for a way to escape reality --..."
[09:28:06] <swampass> "...whether that's with alcohol, weed, or my all-time favorite: speed. Pot and beer mostly make me tired. I only used to use them when I was buzzed up real high, didn't mind slowing down a little. But I haven't done any of that in way too long. Being good all the time isn't just hard, it's damn boring. There's more to life than babies and books, and I'm overdue to go out and find a little fun..."
[09:28:46] <swampass> "...first things first. I have to find a way to Stockton. All it will take, I hope, is the perfect little (okay, big) lie. "
[09:29:28] <swampass> [troll's note: anybody who knows what "Stockton" is would immediately laugh upon reading that line.]
[09:34:28] <crutchy> ~say <#> tama, i was trying to be like miley and tweek all day
[09:35:03] <swampass> stay away from it, crutchy...it's crystalline satan incarnate.
[09:36:14] <crutchy> systemd++
[09:36:15] <Bender> karma - systemd: -25
[09:36:27] <swampass> To explain the "Stockton" joke...there are a few cities in California universally recognized as "trash heaps"
[09:36:58] <crutchy> for example, LA
[09:37:01] <swampass> Stockton. Bakersfield. The Imperial Valley.
[09:37:12] <swampass> Arcata.
[09:37:21] <crutchy> isn't bakersfield a military place?
[09:37:35] <swampass> crutchy, no. China Lake is north of Bako.
[09:37:53] <crutchy> oh
[09:37:57] <swampass> and for that matter, EVERY place in CA is a military place.
[09:38:01] <crutchy> lol
[09:38:15] <crutchy> cos nobody there wants a real jerb
[09:39:15] <swampass> The women there wear large-diameter hoop earrings, animal prints, trucker caps, spit, and cuss.
[09:39:35] <swampass> and of course have at least 3 tattoos.
[09:40:59] <crutchy> democrats. got it
[09:44:41] <swampass> crutchy, there are huge swaths of Right-leaning people in california, but the urban areas are all Democrat-voting illegals and illegal-enablers.
[09:45:00] <swampass> You know, gated-community upper-middle class White women.
[09:45:40] * chromas somewhat suspects nagromlt could be Ethanol-fueled
[09:45:52] <crutchy> or his cousin
[09:46:00] <swampass> The state of California, thanks to its urban areas, has 21% of the homeless population of the entire United States.
[09:46:08] <swampass> So Progressive.
[09:46:25] <K_benzoate> I live near Pismo Beach. We suffer the Valley Folk and Bako trash every weekend all summer long.
[09:46:45] swampass is now known as Ethanol-fooled
[09:47:07] <crutchy> its shameful. all them greedy working families should be kicked out of their homes so that homeless people can live there and smoke dope
[09:47:29] <Ethanol-fooled> K_benzoate - and what are you gonna do about it? Don't you like all those dollars they bring in?
[09:47:45] <crutchy> cheap drugs
[09:48:28] <K_benzoate> With all the damage they do, physical, cultural, spiritual; it's probably a wash.
[09:48:31] <crutchy> is pismo beach like the beach in gta vice city?
[09:49:05] * chromas wonders how many of california's money problems could be fixed by hollywood not abstaining from tax deposits
[09:49:16] <crutchy> ~define a wash
[09:49:17] <exec_> a wash: unable to find definition
[09:49:40] <Ethanol-fooled> crutchy, vice city was Miami. Los Santos was an allegory of Los Angeles.
[09:50:16] <K_benzoate> My roommate at university was from Stockton, and funnily enough he did speed.
[09:50:30] <K_benzoate> As he said, that's all there is to do there.
[09:50:47] <crutchy> chromas, what gave it away was when swampass said 'sup crutch-dawg' :p
[09:50:56] <Ethanol-fooled> indeed, crutchy.
[09:51:01] <crutchy> that's e-f's standard greeting :D
[09:51:16] <K_benzoate> a wash means break even, neither a gain nor a loss
[09:51:26] <Ethanol-fooled> I am at the Shit-Hit-The-Fan outpost.
[09:51:41] <Ethanol-fooled> Stockton, CA.
[09:51:44] <crutchy> hmm. i forgot to use my standard greeting though :/
[09:51:47] <crutchy> aye focker!
[09:51:50] <Ethanol-fooled> *snerk*
[09:51:59] <Ethanol-fooled> Aye, fockerz!
[09:52:33] <crutchy> we're intimately involved, me and Ethanol-fooled. we study fences together :p
[09:52:37] * chromas wonders what unduding is
[09:52:40] <chromas> ~define undude
[09:52:41] <exec_> undude: unable to find definition
[09:52:53] <crutchy> ~g urbandictionary undude
[09:52:55] <exec_> [google] www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=un-Dude
[09:53:18] <chromas> those poor dlls
[09:53:19] <crutchy> hmm
[09:53:26] <chromas> WINdll's
[09:53:55] <Ethanol-fooled> dynamic link libraries.
[09:54:57] <crutchy> ~wget www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=un-Dude <div class='meaning'> <> </div>
[09:54:58] <exec_> 07
[09:55:09] <crutchy> :L
[09:55:23] <crutchy> ~wget http://www.urbandictionary.com <div class='meaning'> <> </div>
[09:55:24] <exec_> 07
[09:56:58] <crutchy> <crutchy> ~wget http://www.urbandictionary.com <div class='meaning'> <> </div>
[09:56:59] <crutchy> <dogfart> being stressed or not calm. upset. super pissed off.
[09:56:59] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03Urban Dictionary: un-Dude
[09:57:24] <crutchy> hmm. apparently there's something iffy with the new exec_'s wget functionss
[09:57:45] <crutchy> ~title http://www.google.com
[09:57:47] <exec_> 13Google - 03https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl
[09:57:50] <chromas> I need to join more freenode channels so I can spot Ethanol-fueled in more places
[09:57:56] <crutchy> hmm. title works at least
[09:58:10] <crutchy> you need to join them all
[09:58:24] <crutchy> that way we can search the entirety of freenode from here :D
[09:59:24] <chromas> hm, my logs only take up 2.9GB
[09:59:42] <chromas> 254 to go until full. may as well join all :D
[09:59:49] <crutchy> ~wget
[09:59:50] <exec_> syntax: ~wget url delim 1 <> delim 2
[09:59:58] <crutchy> haha
[10:00:11] <crutchy> 2.9 gigamites!
[10:00:11] <chromas> ~curl http://soylentnews.org
[10:00:19] <Ethanol-fooled> Ya idiots, this is a special case.
[10:00:46] <Ethanol-fooled> I don't dwell freenode, efnet, undernet, nonnathatshit.
[10:00:47] * crutchy is farting like he needs to lay a 2.9GB log
[10:01:45] <crutchy> we're into tweeks here
[10:01:48] <chromas> maybe I can get an nsa tap
[10:01:54] <chromas> spai all teh l ogsz
[10:01:55] <crutchy> #my_shit_is_green
[10:02:22] <crutchy> tweeks_and_bears++
[10:02:22] <Bender> karma - tweeks_and_bears: 1
[10:02:47] <chromas> I was in #defocus once. so much chatter I don't see how anyone could keep up, but it'd be great bot input. maybe bot output is what it was
[10:02:51] <chromas> too full now to join
[10:02:56] <Ethanol-fooled> NSA are tards if they think anything in the IRC lines yields pertinent information.
[10:03:10] <crutchy> what's #defocus?
[10:03:34] <chromas> not sure what the point was. someone mentioned it so I joined then
[10:03:38] <Ethanol-fooled> and if they didn't already know the information being discussed, then they're tards anyway.
[10:05:20] <Ethanol-fooled> One of my personal favorite personal beliefs is that the NSA got fucked as a result of a turf war between the CIA and NSA.
[10:05:41] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[10:05:42] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03Eric Cartman Uncovers The Truth About NSA - YouTube
[10:05:58] <chromas> apparently it's just a chatter channel
[10:05:59] <Ethanol-fooled> Isn't it convenient how the revelations about Petraus magically broke before the Snowden revelations broke?
[10:06:14] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[10:06:14] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03South park TSA - YouTube
[10:06:16] <chromas> ooh chatter. fed speek for things we're spying on
[10:06:35] <Ethanol-fooled> > South Park
[10:06:41] <chromas> we all should've known nsa was evil
[10:06:48] <chromas> mercury rising was a historical documentary
[10:06:56] <Ethanol-fooled> South Park hasn't been funny for years.
[10:07:08] <chromas> this whole season is about SJWs
[10:07:30] <chromas> +hipsters and now internet ads I guess
[10:07:48] <Ethanol-fooled> Jews making money with views, as usual.
[10:08:12] <chromas> it's true though, I really liked the old episodes with the random banjo in the background and stuff
[10:08:18] <Ethanol-fooled> One can learn all these lessons watching George Carlin routines.
[10:08:57] <Ethanol-fooled> Didn't South Park have inline ads, with a golden PSP and whatnot?
[10:09:56] <chromas> dunno
[10:10:04] <Ethanol-fooled> they did.
[10:10:19] <chromas> since it's all 3d, I wouldn't be surprised if they had character action figures
[10:10:37] <chromas> just send the files over to china to make molds
[10:10:49] <Ethanol-fooled> chromas, that will come when the jump the shark.
[10:11:18] <Ethanol-fooled> I don't watch that show, because while it does offend, it's still run by 2 Jews.
[10:11:29] <chromas> isn't only one a jew?
[10:11:38] <chromas> I guess trey's a jew by heart
[10:11:46] <Ethanol-fooled> chromas, only in the cartoon. Both Trey and Matt are REAL jews.
[10:11:59] <chromas> speaking of trey, were they the ones in the book you were typing earlier?
[10:12:05] <Ethanol-fooled> No.
[10:12:26] <Ethanol-fooled> That was coincidental. Here, let me give you the book details so you can vet them yourselves...
[10:13:05] <Ethanol-fooled> http://www.amazon.com
[10:13:08] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03Amazon.com: Glass (Crank Trilogy) (9781442471825): Ellen Hopkins: Books
[10:14:04] <chromas> only now do I understand the title
[10:14:08] * chromas herps a derp
[10:14:51] <Ethanol-fooled> for those of you who don't know: "Glass" refers to a kind of purified cystal meth which resembles shards of glass due to its clarity.
[10:15:29] <Ethanol-fooled> Back in the old days of meth, you'd get "peanut butter" or "pink panther" due to its brown or pink color as a result of the impurities present...
[10:15:50] <chromas> There's a scene-for-scene remake of breaking bad done in spanish
[10:16:11] <Ethanol-fooled> ...but then more and more manufacturers refined their processes for a more purified product...hence, glass, a clear/white purified meth product.
[10:16:13] <chromas> actually, it's almost word-for-word, except they changed cultural references
[10:16:35] <chromas> drugs are good, m'kay
[10:17:11] <Ethanol-fooled> chromas, but in Breaking Bad it was some blue-something or some shit. That's ficticional.
[10:17:16] <chromas> Metastasis
[10:17:17] <chromas> yeah
[10:17:33] <Ethanol-fooled> good meth is crystal-clear.
[10:18:01] <Ethanol-fooled> and when broken down into smoking-sized bits it resembled shattered glass.
[10:18:10] <chromas> they did that as a buttmagical way to make it distinct because story
[10:18:24] <Ethanol-fooled> They had to distinguish the product.
[10:19:02] <Ethanol-fooled> Because the DEA thinks that a drug dealer is stupid enough to sell their product in designer colors or bags that trace the product back to the manufacturer.
[10:19:36] <Ethanol-fooled> Well, maybe DEA-sanctioned drug manufacturers do, for traceability, but real dope-dealers don't.
[10:20:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:20:14] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1923
[10:20:26] <chromas> Ethanol-fooled: mail me some weed man
[10:20:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, ya drunken bastich
[10:20:31] <Ethanol-fooled> You smoke the shit, if it's fucking good, then it's good. If it's not, then you buy from another dealer.
[10:20:32] * chromas needs to get the dog high
[10:20:59] <Ethanol-fooled> chromas, I quit weed a month ago. Job hunt and whatnot.
[10:21:12] <Ethanol-fooled> Morning, buzzbomb.
[10:21:34] <chromas> tmb, you're forty minutes early
[10:21:57] <Ethanol-fooled> It's a central irony that I cut back on drinking and eliminate weed entirely and I'm more out of control than ever.
[10:21:58] * chromas checks to make sure the screen clock didn't freeze up again
[10:22:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, woke up an hour early with boobs on the brain. nothin for it but to go ahead n stay up.
[10:22:23] <chromas> stroking is the antitode
[10:22:27] <chromas> stroking is the antidote
[10:22:33] <Ethanol-fooled> don't blame ya buzzbomb...every man wakes up with the morning wood.
[10:23:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> shit, enjoy it while ya can. nowadays mine mostly watches me tie my shoes instead of watching me shave.
[10:25:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> did manage some wisdom of the ages in my pre-coffee moments though
[10:25:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> this is the only proper way to deal with an sjw: https://www.youtube.com
[10:25:43] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03Al Bundy - Classic Fat Chic Insults 5 - YouTube
[10:25:58] <chromas> amen, brudda
[10:26:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> bundy, he knew his shit
[10:26:55] <chromas> they had him in an episode of in living color, where he was brought in on a throne or something
[10:27:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha!
[10:27:06] <chromas> for a yo-mama contest, or whatever the ebonics term is
[10:27:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> ooooh, must google
[10:27:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[10:27:39] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03Montell Jordan - This Is How We Do It - YouTube
[10:27:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> bleh
[10:27:48] <Ethanol-fooled> chromas, that traditional name for that contest is "the dirty dozens"
[10:27:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[10:27:54] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03In Living Color - Dirty Dozen - Al Bundy - YouTube
[10:27:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A Redditor Shares His Disappointing Experience Installing Linux Mint - http://sylnt.us - tongue-firmly-in-cheek
[10:28:06] <Ethanol-fooled> > Reddit in title
[10:28:09] <Ethanol-fooled> > didn;t read
[10:28:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll read in a bit just to mock
[10:29:39] <Ethanol-fooled> I gave up on mint because its GRUB fucking choked.
[10:30:11] <Ethanol-fooled> call me a noob, call me what you will, but I never had that kind of show-stopper with other distros years old. Fuck mint.
[10:30:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> noob
[10:30:57] <Ethanol-fooled> too lazy to fiddle.
[10:30:57] <chromas> they do some stuff to firefox to get them ¢ from web searches
[10:32:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> not really a mint fan but i'm sure i can find something to mock regardless
[10:32:33] <Ethanol-fooled> Thinkin' stock Debian soon.
[10:32:52] <Ethanol-fooled> Ubuntu went to shit, Mint sucks with unacceptable hard-fails
[10:32:55] <chromas> [distro argument ensues]
[10:33:11] <chromas> you don't like the ubuntu?
[10:33:16] <chromas> you don't have to use the unity thing
[10:33:41] <Ethanol-fooled> I know that, but it was because they did it in the first place that pissed me off.
[10:34:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://youtu.be if you just wanna see the bundy part
[10:34:07] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03In Living Color - Dirty Dozen - Al Bundy - YouTube ( https://www.youtube.com )
[10:34:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... well you could try arch. it's a bit more command liney but not like slackware. still have good package management.
[10:35:34] <Ethanol-fooled> when I have the time.
[10:35:45] <Ethanol-fooled> I'm not using my own box right now.
[10:35:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's what she said
[10:36:07] <Ethanol-fooled> I'm visiting a friend in rehab...in Stockton.
[10:36:23] <Ethanol-fooled> Heeheehaahaahooo!
[10:36:24] <chromas> censor--
[10:36:24] <Bender> karma - censor: -2
[10:36:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> what, trying to learn more good drug secrets?
[10:37:19] <Ethanol-fooled> Cabin Fever. Even San Diego gets boring and monotonous.
[10:37:32] <Ethanol-fooled> Lotta decent underground punk here.
[10:38:20] <Ethanol-fooled> The cruel irony is that I'm more drug-free than ever, and it SUCKS!
[10:38:26] <Ethanol-fooled> I wanna smoke WEED!
[10:38:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh?
[10:40:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> only thing i know about san deigo is that's apparently where you go to whack it
[10:40:36] <K_benzoate> That roommate I had wouldn't smoke weed because he was afraid of getting tested, he played baseball for the school's team. But he did meth because he said it was out of your system quickly enough that it wouldn't show up after a couple days
[10:41:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, amphetamines of most any variety is like that
[10:41:55] <Ethanol-fooled> K_benzoate, that's not a good attutude to have. My brother was a meth addict and had that same attitude. He ended up pissing hot for crank and going from a local halfway house to federal prison in Ironwood AZ.
[10:42:16] <K_benzoate> The guy was a moron
[10:42:16] <Ethanol-fooled> "It'll be out of my system quick"
[10:42:34] <chromas> you can't play baseball without drugs
[10:42:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> why the fuck would you do drugs when you know you're gonna get piss tested? just get drunk.
[10:43:04] <Ethanol-fooled> chromas, the only drugs you need to play baseball are chewing tobacco and steroids.
[10:43:07] <K_benzoate> He drank a lot too
[10:43:20] <Ethanol-fooled> agreed, Buzzard.
[10:43:24] <chromas> and something to keep your mind occupied
[10:43:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, like a nap, yup.
[10:43:42] <chromas> maybe that's just the viewers
[10:44:16] <chromas> far as I can tell, baseball is like nascar without the wreck potential
[10:44:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> baseball ain't half bad if you go for the dogs n the beer then leave when you're done.
[10:44:29] <chromas> excuse to drink all day
[10:45:12] <chromas> (not that there's anything wrong with that)
[10:45:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> speakin of, was a good one last week apparently. listened to it cause that was what was on the radio in TN. they just come out of restart from a wreck and piled up another six cars or so.
[10:46:46] * chromas tries to install directx into wine
[10:46:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, winetricks does that for ya
[10:47:07] <chromas> I should probably install that
[10:47:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> definitely. saves massive headaches
[10:47:29] <chromas> I've got space engineers and it tries to install directx then disappears
[10:47:45] <chromas> according to winehq I need dotnet but the game hasn't mentioned it
[10:47:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh
[10:48:09] <chromas> first game I've had an issue with
[10:48:13] <chromas> not that I play a lot
[10:48:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[10:48:38] <Ethanol-fooled> the guy here you'e probably like more than me. He's playing Elder Scrolls, Baldur's Gate
[10:49:28] <chromas> oh, maybe I need a 32-bit wineprefix
[10:49:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> could be, dunno
[10:49:59] <chromas> I guess that's why people still windows
[10:50:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fooled, baldur's gate or baldur's gate enhanced edition?
[10:50:16] <Ethanol-fooled> sounds like a lot of hassle and mental gymnastics to admit you're...still stuck on the WINDOWS DICK
[10:50:24] <chromas> enhanced with extensions
[10:50:30] <Ethanol-fooled> Buzzbomb, probably standard.
[10:51:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> EE is lots more gooder. big resolutions and all that jazz
[10:51:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> just wish it had Minsc from IWD
[10:51:48] <Ethanol-fooled> Sounds nice. Hell, the original had resolutions that were back when desktops had laptop-tier resolution
[10:52:18] <Ethanol-fooled> Buzzard, as a kid who had hamsters, Minsc and boo are both awesome.
[10:52:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh my bad, he WAS a BG character
[10:52:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> trooth
[10:52:42] <Ethanol-fooled> One of his slots has a hamster in it.
[10:52:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[10:52:59] <Ethanol-fooled> "my hamster does not like you, you are EVIL!"
[10:53:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> evil, meet my sword. sword, meet evil!
[10:53:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> go for the eyes, boo, go for the eyes!
[10:53:50] <Ethanol-fooled> hamster bites will draw blood.
[10:54:01] <Ethanol-fooled> they hack wicked incisors.
[10:54:20] <Ethanol-fooled> and they have those awesome food pouches
[10:54:34] * Ethanol-fooled wishes he had food storage pouches
[10:55:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> voice actor for him is da shit
[10:55:52] <Ethanol-fooled> yeah, I did my research and found that the voice actors is one of my favorite guys.
[10:56:08] <Ethanol-fooled> Did a lot of work in shows I watched a lot as a kid.
[10:56:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh, he did work on fallout 4 too
[10:56:39] <Ethanol-fooled> no shit. Good to see that he's still busy.
[10:57:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> and voiced some adventure time characters
[10:58:04] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[10:58:04] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03South Park - Hunting Crocodiles - Cartman's Croc Call - YouTube
[10:58:23] <crutchy> ~say <#> tama, that's not a croc call you fat ass penis
[10:58:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> it work?
[10:59:47] <crutchy> ~say <#> why don't you mind yer own business ya scrotum!
[10:59:51] <crutchy> oops
[10:59:57] <crutchy> ~say <#> tama, why don't you mind yer own business ya scrotum!
[11:00:58] <chromas> shit. I wonder if I can just copy shit from my default prefix into the 32-bit one
[11:01:10] <chromas> 32-bit should be default. almost nothing on windows is 64-bit
[11:01:30] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[11:01:31] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03Fightin' Around the World - South Park - Russell Crowe - YouTube
[11:01:38] <crutchy> lmao can't get enough of this
[11:02:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> sweet jesus mary and fucksticks, i need to stop with facebook. my friends are idiots.
[11:03:04] <Ethanol-fooled> > still on Facebook
[11:03:19] <Ethanol-fooled> Hyup, hyup. hyuk.
[11:03:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i'll just unfollow everyone but my roomie.
[11:04:07] <chromas> it's a lot like 4chan
[11:04:17] <chromas> all the image macros and shit
[11:04:26] <Ethanol-fooled> chromas, if it were a lot like 4chan, it'd be an improvement.
[11:04:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, there's SANDERS fans on my timeline. like more than one.
[11:05:01] <chromas> well, there's still accountability so they must restrain themselves
[11:05:17] <Ethanol-fooled> Where's the fun in that?
[11:05:28] <crutchy> ~say <#> ciri: OI! don't interrupt me ya vagina!
[11:05:31] <chromas> facebook isn't for fun. it's for prophet
[11:05:45] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: use that against them. bust out some butthurt
[11:06:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, these are people whose company i enjoy. they just ain't had me around lately to unfuck their logic.
[11:06:18] <Ethanol-fooled> Back in the Slashdot days before SN existed my good buddy was on neither and used to talk shit about me trolling people on slashdot.
[11:07:03] <Ethanol-fooled> Now he's on facebook, and the only reason why he's on is because he's trolling...
[11:07:52] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[11:07:52] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03Funniest Scene From South Park Ever! 201st episode! - YouTube
[11:07:53] <chromas> there's plenty of troll pages on facebook, like Justice4Jamar
[11:08:00] <Ethanol-fooled> Used to talk shit to me about it, but you discovered how fun it was, didn't ya? Uh...yeah, trolling is cool!
[11:08:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> trolling is da bomb
[11:08:23] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, have you just realized that facebook is shit?
[11:08:32] <chromas> he brings it up from time to time
[11:08:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, no, just reaching my limit
[11:09:38] <chromas> time to switch to google plus, uh?
[11:09:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> the really suck part about being wicked smart is that you occasionally forget that most everyone you know are fucking morons.
[11:10:25] <Ethanol-fooled> Buzzbomb, one must never become elitist or complacent about that...for example, Anthony Bourdain.
[11:10:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> ted bundy
[11:11:15] <Ethanol-fooled> You may be more intelligent, but the population may be not only more perverse, but smarter than you are.
[11:11:39] <Ethanol-fooled> ted bundy movie was awesome.
[11:12:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. only cause they also include some smart fuckers as well though.
[11:12:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'a sad day when you got more in common with a cannibal than your mom though.
[11:13:01] <chromas> well
[11:13:03] <Ethanol-fooled> Yecch.
[11:13:09] <chromas> what'd you think was in those special meat pies?
[11:13:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, she said it was long pork
[11:13:37] <Ethanol-fooled> Hannibal was a univerasally-relatable character.
[11:14:00] <Ethanol-fooled> Dahmer, on the other hand, was universally reviled.
[11:14:15] <Ethanol-fooled> both practiced cannibalism.
[11:14:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'why i'm happy for SN. got both smart fuckers to converse with and stupid shits to mock.
[11:15:40] <Ethanol-fooled> can I be both smart and stupid? *Winks seductively with penis dangling*
[11:15:42] * chromas gets shifty-eyed
[11:16:10] <chromas> you made a bot in c#; that's pretty smart
[11:16:52] <Ethanol-fooled> chromas, a retarded one-armed deformate wormboy could make something in C#
[11:17:07] <chromas> right, and you have two arms
[11:17:20] <chromas> that makes you better
[11:17:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> bah-dum-ching
[11:17:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas++
[11:17:29] <Bender> karma - chromas: 132
[11:18:03] <Ethanol-fooled> wormboy, that's a good song...
[11:19:03] <Ethanol-fooled> https://www.youtube.com
[11:19:04] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03Wormboy - Marilyn Manson w/lyrics - YouTube
[11:19:40] * chromas remembers when ugly people were allowed to make music
[11:20:09] <Ethanol-fooled> There were times when ugly people weren't allowed in public...by law.
[11:20:50] <chromas> oh is that what the Nazis were up to?
[11:21:30] <chromas> Don't you give me that face, Goldbergeneubensteinensteen
[11:21:36] <Ethanol-fooled> Those weren't nazi laws.
[11:21:51] <Ethanol-fooled> without googling, I believe those were American laws.
[11:22:24] <Ethanol-fooled> https://en.wikipedia.org
[11:22:25] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03Wiki: Ugly law
[11:22:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> dahell, ugly people make you feel better about yourself
[11:22:37] <chromas> that's why I'm here
[11:23:04] <chromas> You all owe me five bucks
[11:23:14] <Ethanol-fooled> I lived outside one of the most diabled-friendly universities
[11:23:16] * TheMightyBuzzard starts chucking deer at chromas
[11:23:42] <chromas> [the deer become stone as they gaze into my face]
[11:23:49] <Ethanol-fooled> You'd see people who were pieces of meat being kept alive by mechanical ventilators in wheelchairs
[11:24:13] <Ethanol-fooled> some with hoods over their faces.
[11:24:28] <K_benzoate> Stephen Hawking?
[11:24:39] <Ethanol-fooled> WORSE than stephen hawking.
[11:24:40] <chromas> white hoods
[11:24:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> i know, right? they should totally donate those hoodies to the SJW bitches. they're far harder to look at.
[11:25:12] <Ethanol-fooled> think stephen hawking with trachiotomies.
[11:25:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> every damn one of them is either fat n blue-haired or a tranny
[11:25:25] <chromas> the Laci Green principle
[11:25:31] <Ethanol-fooled> Or Christopher Reeves.
[11:25:43] <chromas> become feminist -> get fat
[11:25:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[11:25:49] <K_benzoate> Laci Green doesn't look too bad
[11:25:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'what happened to wil wheaton
[11:25:57] <chromas> she gained like 40 pounds
[11:26:05] <Ethanol-fooled> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[11:26:46] <chromas> mtv's gonna have to fire her for being unhip
[11:27:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> why, she got more hip than any two other people on the channel
[11:27:18] <chromas> then she can sue for discrimination and misogyny
[11:27:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> misanthropy: because misogyny is half-assing it
[11:29:23] <chromas> hmm, I just saw something on a feminist blog the other day, something like "I'm a feminist, misandrist, blah blah..if you believe misandry exists then you'll be banned"
[11:29:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> ooooh, scary
[11:30:05] <K_benzoate> misandry don't real
[11:30:08] <chromas> waiting for her to ban herself
[11:31:20] <K_benzoate> They're of course using the sociological definition. Men have "power" and "privilege" so they can't be systematically discriminated against, hence misandry doesn't real you shitlord
[11:32:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> misogynists and misandrists are just morons for discriminating in favor of people because of their gender. if you're gonna hate, do like me and hate everybody.
[11:32:20] * chromas recently watched all the tl;dr videos
[11:32:22] <chromas> ranting++
[11:32:22] <Bender> karma - ranting: 1
[11:32:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> men only have power and privilege because we're better.
[11:33:16] <Ethanol-fooled> political_correctness--
[11:33:16] <Bender> karma - political_correctness: -1
[11:33:27] <Ethanol-fooled> political_correctness--
[11:33:27] <Bender> karma - political_correctness: -2
[11:33:40] <Ethanol-fooled> hmm, there's a bot who should do that.
[11:33:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> just because i ain't listened to it lately... https://www.youtube.com
[11:33:57] <F-ckB-t> ^✓ 03Social Justice Warrior Anthem (South Park) [Ultimate Remix] - YouTube
[11:34:04] <K_benzoate> Civilization is male dominated, but female oriented. If we actually hated women they'd be put on the lifeboats last.
[11:34:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> K_benzoate, get on a boat with me sometime. if we sink you'll get to see me elbow checking a bitch or three.
[11:34:50] <crutchy> holy shit
[11:34:53] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[11:34:53] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03Trike Drifting - YouTube
[11:34:55] <Ethanol-fooled> Don't hate the women, hate the JEWS.
[11:35:04] <crutchy> there's one guy doing this with bare feet
[11:35:10] <crutchy> fucking nutcases
[11:35:18] <Ethanol-fooled> And other people who manipulate unnaturally the order of things.
[11:35:18] <chromas> Ethanol-fooled: we know you want the jewesses
[11:35:18] <crutchy> still awesome :D
[11:35:27] <Ethanol-fooled> chromas, no.
[11:35:32] <K_benzoate> There is literally nothing wrong with being jewish.
[11:35:48] <chromas> like the fat-girl/moped relation
[11:35:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> admit it, you got a streisand chubby right now.
[11:36:15] <Ethanol-fooled> Nope.
[11:36:28] <Ethanol-fooled> LIFE is not politicaly correct.
[11:37:12] <Ethanol-fooled> I'm sleepy.
[11:37:30] <Ethanol-fooled> Have a good night, everybody.
[11:37:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep. have a nice fuck off
[11:37:52] <Ethanol-fooled> SOD OFF FOLTHY SOD PHSCHSEDHFHSDHFHSDFHDS
[11:38:19] <Ethanol-fooled> just kidding. Have a good night, full of reflection,
[11:38:50] <Ethanol-fooled> may we all strengthen our resolve and fight for the greater good.
[11:39:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> screw the greater good
[11:39:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> if i'm gonna fight for a word, my word's poontang
[11:39:36] <Ethanol-fooled> my word's hitler.
[11:40:39] <Ethanol-fooled> https://www.youtube.com
[11:40:40] <F-ckB-t> ^✓ 03Panzer rollen in Afrika vor English Subtitle - YouTube
[11:40:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://youtu.be
[11:40:55] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03Animal mother -Poontang- - YouTube ( https://www.youtube.com )
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[11:51:17] <chromas> dotnet not supported on 64-bit, what
[11:52:37] <chromas> that guy's holding a gun with two grenades dangling
[11:52:48] * chromas looks everywhere for innuendo
[11:53:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> that guy is animal mother. god of heterosexual males everywhere.
[11:55:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... think i'll get on coding some minecraft moddage today
[11:59:38] <chromas> "Cards Against Humanity: Creators of Card Game Charge $5 for Nothing on Black Friday"
[11:59:53] <chromas> isn't that what they sell anyhow?
[12:00:05] <chromas> strings from the internet printed on cards
[12:27:16] <crutchy> ~say <#> ciri: TheMightyBuzzard wants to fight as good as russel crowe
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[12:35:44] <crutchy> sorry cmn32480|sleepin
[12:35:50] <crutchy> might change my quit command :p
[12:36:26] <crutchy> was only in one shared channel and stupid me had to pick that channel to do a ~q command :/
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[14:41:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> think ima go see Creed in the theater today.
[14:42:44] <takyon> i didn't register this movie's existence until now
[14:43:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> not a Rocky fan?
[14:43:44] <takyon> well it's a new movie
[14:43:51] <takyon> and it doesn't have Rocky in the title
[14:44:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> right
[14:44:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> heard about it somewheres. might have seen a commercial at someone else's house. we don't do commercials here.
[14:45:29] <takyon> i check a trailer channel on youtube once and a while
[14:45:52] <takyon> check out the best 2 minutes of the movie, very little to lose
[14:46:33] <takyon> Gods of Egypt (2016)... hmm another Moses thing probably
[14:46:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> aren't really very many movies i'd go see in the theater anymore but stalone's done good by the franchise, specially the last one.
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[16:25:05] <cmn32480|sleepin> i can't belive my kids let me sleep this late
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[16:30:07] * cmn32480 wanders off to make coffee++
[17:01:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh that's gotta honk off the libtards... the guy who shot up PP yesterday identifies as a woman and votes socialist
[17:02:58] <cmn32480> I seen his picture.
[17:03:03] <cmn32480> he was one ugly woman
[17:03:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, yes he was
[17:05:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, nap time
[17:05:30] <cmn32480> but i jsut woke up!
[17:05:36] <nick> got to be quite tricky to vote socialist in most places in the US
[17:05:49] <cmn32480> nope, there is always a candidate.
[17:06:03] <cmn32480> usually get 10-20 votes, but he's there
[17:06:07] <cmn32480> or she
[17:07:02] <nick> seems odd as you cant vote socialist here most of the time, in socialist europe, where it's not even a swear word
[17:07:49] <cmn32480> here it is a swear word, many equate socialists with communists, nazi's, fascists, etc
[17:08:16] <nick> indeed, thats why i thought it would be quite tricky to vote socialist
[17:08:53] <nick> when any conversation i've had with americans, the word socialist (or communist) generally means "those who i disagree with politically"
[17:10:03] <nick> even very liberal people who would probably agree with some of the ideology, use the terms quite freely to voice their disagreement with anything political
[17:10:37] <nick> as ive mentioned before, here it can be the reverse, my dad for example has self-identified as a socialist
[17:10:57] <nick> he's not one, he's just not a right wing conservative
[17:11:20] <nick> but if you're not one of them, you must be socialist, so that's what he has thought of himself in political contexts
[17:11:37] <cmn32480> coffee++
[17:11:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1924
[17:11:46] <cmn32480> oooo the roaring twenties!
[17:11:56] <cmn32480> here they are fringe candidatesd
[17:12:03] <cmn32480> regardless of what they stand for
[17:12:32] <cmn32480> Bernie Sanders si the first "main stream" candidate that I can remember making a good run of it as a "socialist"
[17:12:50] <nick> the major parties here just seem to try and fight to be the most centrist, working out how they can please everyone in speeches and pledges
[17:12:58] <cmn32480> though, in my opinion, our "Demoratic" part leans very heavily socialist
[17:13:15] <cmn32480> and then doing what they want after being elected
[17:13:34] <nick> but in the end are nearly all technocrats with very little respect for the public
[17:13:49] <cmn32480> they all bow to whom has paid for them
[17:14:03] <cmn32480> damn.. 80% humidity
[17:14:06] <nick> to me, it appears more like rather than being voted in to enact the will of the people
[17:14:09] <cmn32480> no getting the shed painted today
[17:14:14] <nick> they're voted in because we need someone to tell us what to think/do
[17:14:33] <cmn32480> that sounds reasonable.
[17:14:40] <nick> which is why they can go back from any and all election pledges, because they had to say that or you wouldn't have voted for them
[17:14:54] <nick> now they can be serious and take into consideration 'political and economic realities'
[17:15:08] <cmn32480> soon as you say somethign incorrect, I'll jump in
[17:15:31] <nick> heh, i should probably stop
[17:15:35] <cmn32480> short version:: they are all crooks and liars
[17:15:58] <nick> if it wasn't for work, i'd have written an epic comment on the "too much data" story
[17:16:28] <cmn32480> and, to paraphrase Douglas Adams, "Anyone who can manage to get themselves elected to the office, should NEVER be allowed to fill it"
[17:16:54] <nick> reminds me of a story from a few months ago maybe?
[17:17:09] <nick> some US politician saying that it's fine to be a hypocrite and a liar essentially
[17:17:14] <nick> because thats how you get shit done in politics
[17:17:44] <nick> 'dont hate the player, hate the game'
[17:17:50] <cmn32480> with the exception of some local politicians, they are all, especially at the national level, hypocrites and liars
[17:18:00] <cmn32480> then it is time to change the game.
[17:18:50] <nick> i'd agree, but i also understand that people like me are not statistically relevant to politicians or government, so my opinion is not valid
[17:19:37] <nick> i could vote and complain, but that would be my own ignorance for not realising no one is actually campaigning for my interests, or indeed my perception of the national interests
[17:19:37] <cmn32480> correct
[17:19:47] <cmn32480> also correct
[17:20:52] <nick> i still find it quite amusing someone who does PR for government told me the first thing about me not being relevant
[17:21:40] <nick> in an off-the-clock conversation about my opinion that there's no one for me to vote for
[17:21:49] <cmn32480> I'm not surprised
[17:21:59] <cmn32480> they represent the most popular opinions only
[17:22:55] <nick> http://uk.reuters.com
[17:22:56] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03Top Kurdish lawyer shot dead in southeast Turkey| Reuters
[17:23:01] <cmn32480> and anyone who dares suggest things like term limits, or changes to how they are compensated, or that Congress/Parliament be subject to all the same laws as the rest of us, is removed from any sort of relevancy
[17:23:12] <nick> " A prominent Kurdish lawyer and rights activist was shot in the head and killed in a street shootout in Turkey's troubled southeast on Saturday, much of the event captured on camera and broadcast around the world."
[17:24:20] <cmn32480> ok
[17:24:32] <cmn32480> can't say I am surprised
[17:26:01] <nick> There's some ill feeling in the UK establishment over 'freedom of information' requests
[17:26:13] <nick> "A council chief has criticised the use of the Freedom of Information (FOI) Act, claiming requests come from those seeking to 'create trouble' for councils and 'lazy' students."
[17:26:53] <cmn32480> see here, they jsut ignore the ones they don't want to fill and claim "backlog"
[17:27:02] <nick> tony blair regrets implementing 'freedom of information' more than the lies about Iraq apparently
[17:27:40] <nick> they do that too, but they just dont like the processing of it all, it takes time and money from more important things
[17:27:57] <cmn32480> hookers and blow?
[17:29:04] <nick> as the latest issue of private eye explained. "£9million cost of freedom of information act 2014/15 which is an expensive burden - £290million spent on central government advertising 2014/15"
[17:29:19] <nick> above is not accurate quote, but pretty close
[17:30:30] <cmn32480> gotta feed my kids.
[17:30:33] <cmn32480> bback later
[17:30:38] * nick hat tip
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[18:28:19] <takyon> so why has the Li-Fi story appeared in so many major news outlets
[18:28:41] <takyon> since there's been a trickle of Li-Fi stories for years
[18:31:33] <nick> the new li-fi is big news, the other ones have not been?
[18:32:21] <takyon> http://www.bbc.com
[18:32:22] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03'Li-fi 100 times faster than wi-fi' - BBC News
[18:32:43] <takyon> It was tested in an office, to allow workers to access the internet and in an industrial space, where it provided a smart lighting solution.
[18:32:43] <takyon> Speaking to the International Business Times, chief executive Deepak Solanki said that the technology could reach consumers "within three to four years".
[18:33:03] <nick> i saw the story obviously, i was trying to understand what you were getting at
[18:33:24] <nick> you think previous lifi has not got much coverage but this has?
[18:36:22] <takyon> I was surprised to see it in both NPR and BBC
[18:36:38] <takyon> for another small milestone years away from commercialization
[18:37:23] <nick> well there's a 'start-up' behind it now, rather than it just being research
[18:39:54] <nick> interesting it's an 'estonian' startup
[18:40:00] <nick> although the ceo is indian
[18:40:17] <nick> and the linkedin profile for him suggests the company is also indian
[18:40:54] <nick> and i'm guessing the research mentioned in tfa has something to do with it, and that's from a UK university
[18:43:10] <nick> the money has come in from somewhere
[18:43:46] <nick> they do their fact checking at the bbc, go to the official website for the company: CA-42C, DDA Flats, Hari Nagar, New Delhi-110064
[18:43:47] <takyon> how do devices even read the light signal. they need line of sight from a camera
[18:44:14] <takyon> http://www.marketwatch.com
[18:44:14] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03‘Bankrupt’ 50 Cent stashes wads of $100 bills in his refrigerator - MarketWatch
[18:44:41] <takyon> https://en.wikipedia.org
[18:44:42] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03Wiki: Li-Fi ( https://en.wikipedia.org )
[18:44:50] <takyon> here we see an external cam
[18:46:24] <takyon> they should work with a VR/Leap motion type of company to make a laptop webcam with a room-wide field of view
[18:47:07] <takyon> front, rear facing, and top facing for example, all in one rectangular strip
[18:49:32] <takyon> that way you kill 2 birds with one cam. use it to pick up Li-Fi transmission and do VR/3D webcamming
[18:56:41] <nick> http://www.buildit.ee
[18:56:42] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03Buildit - accelerator of things ( http://www.buildit.ee )
[19:03:09] <takyon> http://nextbigfuture.com
[19:03:10] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03Next Big Future: Hyperloop one mile test track targets mid-2016 and hyperloop pod competition
[19:04:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hacking Hearing Aids - http://sylnt.us - do-you-hear-what-I-hear?
[19:30:20] <takyon> https://torrentfreak.com
[19:30:21] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03Pirates Can Now Rip 4K Content From Netflix and Amazon - TorrentFreak
[20:19:20] <Gravis> takyon: honestly, if they want to foil pirates, they are going to have to do something innovative like an execution time dependant decoding so that it's locked to an implementation but that wont stop a smart RE, just playback hacks.
[20:21:48] <Gravis> the more they DRM, the harder they make it to support
[20:23:13] <Gravis> capitalism seems to be fundamentally incompatible with freedom
[20:27:37] <nick> you have the freedom to obtain enough capital to lobby for a change in consumer law
[20:27:42] <nick> or something like that
[20:32:15] <nick> drm makes it essentially illegal to make a functioning archive of information regardless of the legality in obtaining it initially
[20:33:20] <nick> not sure what the implication is in the UK for example, those few months where it was legal to make backups of CDs.
[20:49:55] <Gravis> <nick> you have the freedom to obtain enough capital to lobby for a change in consumer law <-- no, i don't because money isn't free.
[20:50:42] <Gravis> nick: "you're free to do what we say" is not freedom, it's slavery.
[20:50:52] <chromas> "you have the freedom to try..."
[20:51:10] <nick> Gravis: i was thinking about that at work today :)
[20:51:38] <Gravis> nick: well the truth is a means of enslavement.
[20:51:45] <Gravis> err
[20:51:50] <Gravis> nick: well the truth is money is a means of enslavement.
[20:52:01] <Gravis> the truth is liberating :)
[20:52:04] <nick> you are completely correct
[20:52:51] <nick> the joys of essentially being born into debt :D
[20:53:01] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: warning, i created another socialist!
[20:53:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're also an idiot. capitalism is the one and the only free economic system. all others force behavior contrary to their natures on men through the force ov violence.
[20:53:41] <nick> capitalism is just a word
[20:53:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> so is slavery
[20:54:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> but wait, no
[20:54:16] <nick> we can talk about slavery in different contexts and levels
[20:54:35] <nick> it is a word, but by itself does not actually mean an awful lot
[20:54:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> forcing you to work for the benefit of others will do for me
[20:55:26] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: so... how does a post-scarcity economy force people to behave contrary to their natures?
[20:55:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll let you know when i see one
[20:55:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> we do not currently have one though
[20:56:06] <Gravis> so, no flaws so far
[20:56:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> plenty of flaws, but manageable ones
[20:56:51] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: but none that force people to behave countrary to their natures.
[20:57:17] <Gravis> flawless victory. :)
[20:57:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> if their nature is dickholish enough that they take joy in harming others, sure
[20:58:38] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: we aren't talking about assholes like you, we are talking about real people. ;)
[20:58:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> real people are much worse than me
[20:58:50] <nick> doesnt have to be joy in harming others, or allowing others to be harmed
[20:59:02] <nick> just avoiding a personal loss as a necessary
[20:59:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> nothing wrong with avoiding loss unless you're directly and intentionally interfering with the right of others to compete
[21:00:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> exclusive contracts, bought laws, fun things like that.
[21:00:05] <Gravis> compete for what?
[21:00:08] <nick> how do you define that, someone acquired resources, someone else did not
[21:00:09] <Gravis> money?
[21:00:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> capital
[21:00:30] <Gravis> why would you need capital in an economy that doesn't use it?
[21:00:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> because all economies on earth currently do
[21:00:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> we're not playing your what-if game today
[21:01:09] <Gravis> and look how nice the world has turned out!
[21:01:15] <Gravis> maybe we should try something new.
[21:01:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> unless i get to counter by what if gold bars started shooting out my butt
[21:01:41] * chromas set out some hand drums
[21:01:56] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: if they did, i think you would need to go to the ER
[21:02:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> nick, i thought the "exclusive contracts, bought laws" bit defined it pretty good.
[21:02:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably. and invest in preparation h
[21:02:30] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: interference with law is just part of capitalism
[21:02:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp
[21:02:45] <Gravis> sure it is. survival of the fitest
[21:02:50] <Gravis> that's capitalism
[21:03:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp, getting help from the referees is cheating
[21:03:21] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: there is no such thing as "cheating" in capitalism
[21:03:37] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you are under the false notion that capitalism has limits
[21:03:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> capitalism is simply rational men freely exchanging value for value. when you involve the government to stifle it, it is no longer capitalism
[21:04:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> it is in direct opposition to capitalism in fact
[21:04:35] <Gravis> so we need to do away with governments and let the companies run the show, eh?
[21:05:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuck no. private and public concerns should have a wall between them a million miles high.
[21:05:16] <nick> governments are a product of supply and demand, people trade their freedom for an empty promise of security
[21:05:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes. people are very silly.
[21:05:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is why there are poor people.
[21:05:56] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: ok... so monopoly and anti-trust laws are bad news.
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[21:06:06] <nick> whilst that might involve a degree of slavery, for the people who perceive that, it's apparently little more than a rounding error statistically
[21:06:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, those enforce competition and thus capitalism. you need precisely enough government hand on the market to keep it from eating itself and not an ounce more.
[21:06:57] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: but they are regulation aka government getting in the way!
[21:07:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> and?
[21:07:16] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you just said government shouldn't interfere
[21:07:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> interfere no, stave off self destruction, yes
[21:07:40] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you are just punishing people for being too successful!
[21:07:47] <nick> which is the balance we've apparently tried to strike, and to make sure we do well, we listen to those who have been most successful so far, and then like the excessive protectionism
[21:08:22] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: ok, so regulation is good but only if you think it's good!
[21:08:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, be as successful as you like. you don't get to do fun things like buy laws or hold exclusive rights to trade in a service though.
[21:08:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, regulation is never good, only necessary
[21:09:49] <Gravis> because capitalism breaks down
[21:10:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> all systems break down due to corruption. capitalism is not special in this.
[21:10:25] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: capitalists thrives on corruption
[21:10:30] <Gravis> -s
[21:10:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> so does your mom
[21:10:52] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: so... how do systems become corrupted?
[21:11:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm sorry, i meant to say so does socialism, communism, any other ism you care to name.
[21:11:21] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: so... how do systems become corrupted? <--
[21:11:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> greed. read as the desire for that which you have not earned.
[21:11:50] <Gravis> greed for what?
[21:11:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> anything
[21:12:02] <Gravis> love?
[21:12:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure
[21:12:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> witness rapists
[21:12:33] <chromas> and pimps
[21:12:36] <Gravis> that's not love
[21:12:38] <Gravis> that's sex
[21:12:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, pimps earn it
[21:12:51] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: the correct answer is greed for capital
[21:13:09] <Gravis> ergo, capitalism
[21:13:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp, all desire for that which you are not entitled to is greed and thus bad.
[21:13:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> money, power, salt, the spice, doesn't matter
[21:13:40] <nick> greed is subjective
[21:13:41] <Gravis> it's capital
[21:13:49] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: it's all fucking capital
[21:14:05] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: capitalism is intrinsically corrupt
[21:14:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's really not, nick. if you've put the sweat in to create something, it belongs to you and nobody else.
[21:14:25] * chromas releases the sand worms
[21:14:28] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: why, do you think that?
[21:14:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're intentionally trying to redefine a definition i gave you, sweety.
[21:14:53] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: do you think you created the materials you made it out of?
[21:15:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, it does not matter if i traded value for value for them.
[21:15:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> if i did, then effectively yes.
[21:15:27] <nick> other people put in sweat and didn't get anything, is it greedy for me to keep a months supply of water when some people in town do not have any for the day?
[21:16:30] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: so who determines value?
[21:16:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> nick, no. but it would be a good thing if you traded some of it away if you had surplus.
[21:16:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, the involved parties. nobody else.
[21:16:53] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: what did you do to earn the oxygen you are breathing?
[21:16:59] <nick> that's a literal situation i was in, and my solution was to go and acquire more water and sweat some more to help a neighbour.
[21:17:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, that's a very silly question.
[21:17:32] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: really? because it's not free
[21:17:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> there is no scarcity of oxygen, thus no value in this situation.
[21:17:45] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: trees are doing the work
[21:18:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> on the moon, that would be another matter and i would expect to have to earn my daily breath.
[21:18:28] <Gravis> so, yo have to earn the right to live
[21:18:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes.
[21:18:38] <Gravis> you*
[21:18:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> absolutely
[21:18:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> without question
[21:19:32] <nick> i have no solutions, and in general I do agree with TheMightyBuzzard, but when entering a deal with involved parties, i can't see how a majority of transactions in a free market supply-and-demand system still dont have an unfair amount of leverage
[21:19:40] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: so you would perfer to kill those who don't
[21:19:49] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: or rather, allow them to die
[21:20:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> nick, depends on how the leverage comes about.
[21:20:05] <nick> but my thinking on that broadly, is more a question of the consequences of urbanisation
[21:20:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, yes. a man who does not work should not eat.
[21:21:03] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: why? because you don't value him? what if he decides to not value you... and then eats you instead.
[21:21:15] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: survival of the fitest
[21:21:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> because he is a net negative to the species. he does no good only harm.
[21:21:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> in short, he is a thief.
[21:22:04] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: what is "good" for a species? running in a wheel, going nowhere?
[21:22:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> much like socialists. unless you know another way to define taking what someone has rightfully earned by force of arms for yourself?
[21:22:39] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: perhaps you just don't value what he has to offer
[21:22:50] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: that doesn't means he has nothing to offer
[21:22:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, if he offers anything
[21:23:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> if he is incapable of offering anything, this is where charity comes in.
[21:23:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> if he is not, let him starve
[21:24:03] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: why shouldn't i let him eat you? isn't that earning?
[21:24:19] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: he would kill you. he's earned the right to life while you died.
[21:24:26] <chromas> you can let him; that doesn't mean TheMightyBuzzard has to let him
[21:24:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, you can eat me but only you.
[21:24:46] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: so, the right to life is subjective to your game?
[21:25:08] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: so people should die if they aren't good at your game of trading.
[21:25:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> not at all. you do not have one.
[21:25:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> you earn your bread or you do not.
[21:25:36] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: define "earn"
[21:25:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> even those who truly suck at it can earn their way though.
[21:26:00] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: because if you are doing anything at all, you are doing something someone needs
[21:26:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> not necessarily
[21:26:26] * chromas breathes for someone
[21:26:26] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: sure. trees need CO2, so breathing is earning
[21:26:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> sitting on your ass, smoking pot, playing video games? not many people need someone to do that for them.
[21:26:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> then the trees can pay them
[21:27:27] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: so... how do you think we should make children earn their keep?
[21:27:32] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: what about pets?
[21:27:42] <nick> it took some developing of a market, but youtube and twitch i think? seems to have created a job for pot smoking video gamers
[21:28:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think their keep is paid by their parrents until they become adults. the parents made the choice to accept that responsibility implicitly when they bumped uglies.
[21:28:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> pets, pets do give value or you do not keep them.
[21:28:37] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: really? what work do they do?
[21:28:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> nick, man if they can monetize it, more power to them.
[21:29:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> value doesn't only come from work. there are many medical as well as psychological benefits to owning pets.
[21:29:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus the always hard to quantify value of your love for them.
[21:29:36] <nick> there's a small number of people really, who are making a living from it. but that leads to more kids aspiring to it i'd imagine
[21:29:39] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: so, just existing is a form of value... just not for people.
[21:29:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope.
[21:29:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> you don't just get pets. you choose to have them.
[21:30:10] <chromas> Provide your patreon account immediately so I can throw all of my money at you.
[21:30:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> otherwise they are what you call strays.
[21:30:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> and they DO fend for themselves or starve, as it should be.
[21:30:31] <nick> you first, chromas
[21:30:34] <nick> my credit card is ready
[21:30:46] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: so, we are back to survival of the fittest
[21:30:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> not at all
[21:31:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> simply earning your way in life
[21:31:03] <Gravis> <TheMightyBuzzard> and they DO fend for themselves or starve, as it should be. <-- what do you wall that?
[21:31:07] <Gravis> call*
[21:31:15] <Gravis> it's survival of the fittest
[21:31:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> not remotely. no competition is implied or even present.
[21:31:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> survival of the fittest is another way of saying competition.
[21:31:51] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: sure there is. humans
[21:31:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> some times there is none.
[21:32:11] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: so, they have food just waiting for them?
[21:32:15] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: no, they have to find it
[21:32:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's not competition. that's earning your bread.
[21:32:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're intentionally confusing the two.
[21:32:58] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: so how is killing people and taking their stuff not earning it then?
[21:33:08] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you went out of your way to murder them after all
[21:33:20] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: they dont have the right to life
[21:33:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> it is. we've simply decided as a whole that we'd rather not have that going on thank you very much.
[21:33:56] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: really, because there are quite a few people who rather murder the very wealthy than starve to death.
[21:34:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> many moons ago that was quite an acceptable practice. today it is not.
[21:34:28] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: capitalism is survival of the fittest. you are in denial.
[21:34:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, there are no able in the US that starve to death
[21:34:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> none
[21:35:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> we are in fact, fatasses by in large.
[21:35:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> even our poor are packing much back
[21:35:45] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: oh really? http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com
[21:35:46] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03MALNUTRITION DEATH RATE BY COUNTRY
[21:35:51] <Gravis> UNITED STATES 0.58
[21:36:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> able, Gravis, able. this excludes the broken and children unable to fend for themselves.
[21:37:01] <chromas> reverse able-ism
[21:37:18] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: wow... you are deluded beyond help
[21:37:43] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: maybe i should declare that you have no value and kill you... for the sake of the herd
[21:37:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, you are clinging to any justification to take money at gunpoint for yourself
[21:38:13] <Gravis> money? i don't want money, i want to do away with money completely.
[21:38:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> and until that happens you're just going to sit around bitching?
[21:39:16] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: oh yes, that's the value i bring!... that and software.
[21:39:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> the most free and fattest societies on the planet have always been capitalistic in nature. i am happy to stand by that record. show me a socialist society that isn't in the process of or hasn't already destroyed itself
[21:40:23] <Gravis> the US isn't fat because we want to be... it's because they are addicted.
[21:40:29] <Gravis> it's a form of slavery
[21:40:39] <nick> i don't think there's really been any socialist societies, outside the branding
[21:40:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, slavery to the biological urge to eat food
[21:41:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> nick, gravis will point to europe's wang here shortly.
[21:41:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> then i'll tell him to have a look at their gdp charts and note how they're pointing down.
[21:41:42] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: sure, i'll inject you with heroin and then you tell me you don't need it when you brain is demanding it.
[21:42:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, if i don't want to do something, i won't. period.
[21:42:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> i smoke, drink coffee, and drink alcohol because i do enjoy it. when i stop, i WILL quit.
[21:42:39] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: ok. don't have sugar for a week. i fucking dare you because i _know_ you cannot.
[21:43:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd so love to make a bet out of this. nobody handy to verify it though.
[21:43:10] <Gravis> and by sugar i mean the sugar they have added to foods, not naturally occuring in the foods
[21:43:50] * chromas de-sugarizes tmb's ketchup and bread
[21:43:51] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: it's not because i think you are weak willed, it's because you literally cannot purchase food that doesn't have it added.
[21:43:57] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: with rare exception
[21:44:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> depends on what you call food
[21:44:24] <chromas> sugar-free apples
[21:44:31] <chromas> now with aspartame
[21:44:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> i can and do regularly make entire dinners without any human addes sugar
[21:44:34] <Gravis> lulz
[21:45:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> now i do add sugar to my tea and my oatmeal but i can live without that
[21:45:24] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: only if it comes from a plant or animal
[21:45:37] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: anything else, has sugar added
[21:45:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'fine. i mostly make dinner from scratch.
[21:46:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> unless i'm just feeling too lazy to, which does happen.
[21:46:21] <nick> Gravis all the sugar and other food additives are much more of a problem for people in urban environments.
[21:46:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, people who eat out a lot.
[21:46:57] <Gravis> if you eat anything from a restraunt it will have sugar added
[21:47:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> depends on what you order but quite likely
[21:47:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> salads are pretty safe.
[21:47:30] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: welp, tell me when you get some ketchup/catsup that doesn't have sugar added.
[21:47:41] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: because you can't get it
[21:47:43] <chromas> except for dressings
[21:47:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> reminds me, i should pick some up. been out for about a year.
[21:48:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, nine months tops
[21:49:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait, does it count if the sugar is no longer sugar but has blessedly transcended into alcohol?
[21:49:41] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: doesn't sound FDA approved.
[21:49:59] <chromas> alcoholic ketchup?
[21:50:04] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: but the FDA is just in the way, so sure!
[21:50:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i mean sugar is added to pretty much all wines/beers/spirits to bump up the proof on them.
[21:50:16] <chromas> or alcoholic dressing?
[21:50:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> but it doesn't stay sugar
[21:51:08] <chromas> are american yeasts fatter?
[21:51:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> beer/wine without sugar added to increase the food for the yeast is seriously lacking in the kick department. spirits it just takes more mash for distillation.
[21:52:30] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: when you find this magical ketchup, be sure to take a picture of the Nutrition Facts label and upload it.
[21:52:38] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: because that will be the proof
[21:52:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm not worried about ketchup man, i'm concerned about my booze!
[21:53:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> priorities
[21:53:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> sides, i don't eat ketchup.
[21:53:31] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: americans are being poisoned and don't know it.
[21:53:48] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: they try to eat healthy but health food is full of sugar
[21:53:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> they dunno how to eat healthy
[21:54:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'not hard really. just time consuming.
[21:54:20] <chromas> use salsa instead of ketchup
[21:54:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, use tobasco instead of salsa
[21:55:04] <chromas> is it sugar-free?
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[21:55:20] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: it might have to do with the fact that capitalism doesn't play by your rules and had the DV of sugar removed from the Nutrition Facts label
[21:55:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly. if not the recipe is cayenne pepper and vinegar.
[21:55:34] <chromas> holy shit!
[21:55:39] <chromas> [trademark suit ensues]
[21:55:51] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you will notice a coke doesn't say it has 10000% the DV of sugar
[21:56:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, you keep conflating things i specifically tell you are corruptions in with capitalism. stop that.
[21:56:19] <chromas> they specify the type of sugar
[21:56:38] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: why do you think that capitalism implies restrictions?
[21:56:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, why do you think it doesn't?
[21:56:56] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: because it doesn't have that in any definition of capitalism anywhere
[21:57:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> are we going to go reducto ad absurdum on every system ever? they'd each and every one fail. even your hypothetical ones.
[21:58:11] * TheMightyBuzzard glares at the typo but leaves it
[21:58:14] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: show me any site that says capitalism excludes government interference.
[21:58:29] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: seriously, it's nowhere at all.
[21:58:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> show me any pure system that has ever or will ever work anywhere on earth.
[21:58:47] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: when it's nowhere, it means you pulled it out of your ass
[21:58:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> ditto
[21:59:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> so i must not be talking about utterly pure capitalism, must i?
[22:00:05] <Gravis> everything is expected to be pure without the use of adjectives
[22:00:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> then nothing works
[22:00:40] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: no, it just means you aren't saying what you mean
[22:00:57] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: as such you are saying a misnomer
[22:01:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> i generally assume people know better than to think any utterly pure monetary system can work. obviously i should stop this.
[22:02:19] <Bytram|away> !uid
[22:02:19] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5965, owned by OtherOtherWhiteMeat
[22:02:22] <Bytram|away> http://feeds.wired.com
[22:02:23] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03How Humans Ended Up With Freakishly Huge Brains | WIRED ( http://www.wired.com )
[22:02:27] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[22:02:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> afternoon, Bytram
[22:02:36] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: and the same to you!
[22:02:41] <Bytram> how's things?
[22:02:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, think i'll go have a smoke. think up a good argument while i'm gone. this one's winding down and getting boring.
[22:02:56] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you are right... because monetary systems don't work as people end up dying because of them
[22:03:20] <Bytram> ~time x
[22:03:22] <exec_> Saturday, 28 November 2015 @ 10:03 pm UTC - Coordinated Universal Time
[22:03:32] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[22:03:34] <exec_> 10Boston, MA, USA - currently 43°F, cloudy, wind N at 9 mph, humidity 87% - Saturday partly cloudy (32°F:44°F), Sunday sunny (31°F:46°F), Monday partly cloudy (32°F:40°F), Tuesday mostly cloudy (43°F:47°F)
[22:03:36] <Bytram> ~weather presque isle
[22:03:38] <exec_> 10Presque Isle, ME, USA - currently 24°F, cloudy, wind W at 7 mph, humidity 82% - Saturday partly cloudy (20°F:27°F), Sunday partly cloudy (7°F:28°F), Monday partly cloudy (18°F:25°F), Tuesday mostly sunny (26°F:34°F)
[22:03:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> pretty fair but my nicotine levels are low and i quite like watching cars go by outside, so...
[22:03:39] <Gravis> ~stab Bytram
[22:03:49] <Bytram> ~weather Portland, me
[22:03:51] <Gravis> Bytram: i think that bot is broken. ;)
[22:03:52] <exec_> 10Portland, ME, USA - currently 39°F, cloudy, wind N at 5 mph, humidity 81% - Saturday partly cloudy (27°F:40°F), Sunday sunny (21°F:42°F), Monday mostly sunny (27°F:37°F), Tuesday mostly sunny (38°F:45°F)
[22:04:09] <Gravis> ~weather hell
[22:04:11] <exec_> 10Washington, DC, USA - currently 61°F / 16°C, cloudy, wind SW at 4 mph, humidity 73% - Saturday rain (47°F:64°F / 8°C:18°C), Sunday showers (38°F:50°F / 3°C:10°C), Monday cloudy (44°F:50°F / 7°C:10°C), Tuesday showers (49°F:55°F / 9°C:13°C)
[22:04:14] <Bytram> Gravis: is working find for me.
[22:04:24] <Bytram> ~weather rihad
[22:04:26] <exec_> 10Riyadh Saudi Arabia - currently 68°F, clear with periodic clouds, wind NW at 0 mph, humidity 83% - Saturday partly cloudy (63°F:65°F), Sunday partly cloudy (59°F:75°F), Monday partly cloudy (61°F:72°F), Tuesday partly cloudy (59°F:75°F)
[22:04:36] <Bytram> ~weather delhi
[22:04:38] <Gravis> Bytram: hmm... all that finding must be keeping it busy instead of stabbing you
[22:04:38] <exec_> 10New Delhi, Delhi, India - currently 61°F, fog, wind E at 0 mph, humidity 88% - Sunday sunny (59°F:80°F), Monday sunny (59°F:82°F), Tuesday sunny (60°F:81°F), Wednesday sunny (56°F:79°F)
[22:05:01] <Bytram> ~weather mcmurdo
[22:05:03] <exec_> 10McMurdo, Antarctica - currently 28°F, mostly cloudy, wind W at 6 mph, humidity 43% - Sunday sunny (24°F:34°F), Monday mostly sunny (20°F:31°F), Tuesday sunny (22°F:30°F), Wednesday partly cloudy (25°F:31°F)
[22:05:20] <Gravis> Bytram: really? why?
[22:05:26] <Bytram> that looks like a heat wave for those folks!
[22:06:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - World's Biggest Animal Cloning Factory to be Built in China - http://sylnt.us - krieger's-clones
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[22:08:54] <crutchy> #socialist TheMightyBuzzard
[22:08:54] <MrPlow> TheMightyBuzzard, you're a socialist!
[22:09:09] <crutchy> coffee++
[22:09:09] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1925
[22:09:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> #socialist crutchy
[22:09:51] <MrPlow> crutchy, you're a socialist!
[22:12:51] <crutchy> i can think of an argument againsst capitalism i reckon
[22:13:06] <crutchy> not that i think socialism is any better, but
[22:13:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> there is no argument against capitalism all other forms are based on force rather than free exchange.
[22:14:20] <crutchy> true, but capitalism does feed the greedy side of humanity
[22:14:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> so? wealth isn't finite.
[22:14:42] <crutchy> true. just saying
[22:14:56] <crutchy> some people have different capacities to earn it
[22:15:08] <crutchy> (ie some people are dumber than others)
[22:15:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> well sure. and they provide more value for what they receive so they SHOULD receive more.
[22:15:30] <crutchy> so it results in inequality through nature
[22:15:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> nature's a bitch like that
[22:15:44] <crutchy> no doubt
[22:15:47] <nick> i don't see how capitalism excludes force by definition
[22:16:13] <crutchy> nick, capitalism is rare nowadays. you mostly see it at small local levels
[22:16:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> nick, capitalism allows socialism or any other ism to work within itself on a strictly voluntary basis.
[22:16:32] <crutchy> government has its greedy mitts in everything
[22:16:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[22:16:52] <nick> as i've ranted and rambled enough times.. small business owner blah blah blah :p
[22:17:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> right, and capitalism lets you pay whatever you like, even if you think it's more than the work's worth. it's chill like that.
[22:17:38] <crutchy> but as a small business owner, you exchange goods/services for money without coercion. you are an example of capitalism at its most basic level :)
[22:18:38] <crutchy> your larger competitors might be getting subsidies and whatnot (i have no idea), and if they are, that is *not* capitalism
[22:18:39] <nick> completely, and it's not very fair but it is extremely free, i do not have the resources and desire to manipulate that many other business owners do
[22:19:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> nick, you probably could have more if that were really your goal. my guess is you enjoy your job and just want to do it and get paid well enough.
[22:19:34] <nick> some get subsidies, others get to hold the market by creating the industry associations and regulators, others have resources to offshore and run the risks
[22:20:02] <nick> some have no problem lying to or misleading clients
[22:20:07] <Bytram> http://www.forbes.com
[22:20:07] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03Forbes Welcome ( http://www.forbes.com )
[22:20:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> nick, them ain't capitalists. them's fuckers.
[22:20:28] <nick> them's the competition
[22:20:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. thas where laws is handy.
[22:20:55] <crutchy> its true that big established companies have a head start and can easily stave off small startups, but it just means the startups have to be smarter. there's no point entering a market competing against an established competitor selling something at an equal or greater price. you only enter if you can win customers from the other guy
[22:21:26] <nick> i offer generally specific services, it works for the most part, but a lot of clients don't like to hear the truth
[22:21:30] <crutchy> google won by making a better search engine (for example)
[22:21:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> then it lost by making a suck social networking platform
[22:21:53] <crutchy> well, yeah that too :p
[22:22:01] <nick> so i lose out on work, and sometimes margin, for lack of the sugar coating and the nice suit
[22:22:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya wins some ya loses some.
[22:22:18] <crutchy> capitalism has ups and downs. there's no such thing as a system with only ups
[22:22:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> well you could have a nice suit. nothing stopping you really.
[22:22:54] <crutchy> first impressions and appearance do mean a lot in business. consumers are shallow fucks
[22:22:55] <nick> it would be easier if i wasn't in London i'd imagine, but family obligations are preventing changing that
[22:23:19] <nick> prefer not to wear a suit, it pains me to play the game
[22:23:36] <crutchy> you can't win by not playing
[22:23:46] <Bytram> "Women go crazy over a sharp-dressed man."
[22:23:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> me too, i don't even own a suit.
[22:23:59] <nick> i just see it so much, changing of perceptions depending on the role i happen to be playing at any time
[22:24:39] <crutchy> humans are shallow and greedy and whatnot. the winners are the ones that play to that the best
[22:24:45] <nick> i dont like to then be playing mind games on top of that, it's a misrepresentation to dress for 'business' i'm trying to get work done
[22:25:05] <crutchy> tis why i hate being anywhere near consumers
[22:25:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> so hire someone to get the work done and wear the suit. or vice versa.
[22:25:35] <crutchy> i prefer to be a lowly worker in a cubicle. i'll never be a winner as that, but at least i had a choice
[22:26:05] <crutchy> some people just aren't meant to be millionaires
[22:26:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> speaking of, i should start looking for a job i can tolerate.
[22:26:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm very picky after working for myself for so long
[22:26:40] <nick> i don't want to be a millionaire, but living in London and trying to be sustainable makes that difficult....
[22:26:53] <crutchy> i deal witth clients, but they are also mostly lowly workers like me that work for big industry
[22:26:56] <nick> should probably be making that the goal
[22:27:18] <crutchy> capitalism at least gives you that choice nick :)
[22:27:50] <crutchy> it rewards those that want it the most
[22:27:51] <nick> yeah, but the means of doing it is not something i appreciate, feeding the beast
[22:28:08] <crutchy> humanity is definitely a beast
[22:28:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> socialism, you'd be schlubbing along for the same wage as a garbage guy. much worse alternative. you couldn't even afford the tools you need.
[22:28:59] <crutchy> i think we got to the top of the food chain by being the nasty shits that we are. there must be something to the ol' saying that 'nice guys finish last'
[22:29:06] <crutchy> however unfortunate
[22:29:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> absosmurfly
[22:29:28] <nick> it would appear that way
[22:30:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, forgot i was gonna go to the movies
[22:30:19] <chromas> not a concert?
[22:30:39] <crutchy> i like to think i'm a nice guy, which means i'll never be well off, but i'm comfortable enough. i was extremely lucky to be born/raised in a well off country. i appreciate that i could have it much much worse than i do
[22:30:41] <chromas> I thought creed was a band or something
[22:32:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'also the name of the first guy Rocky fought for a title. he's training his son in this movie.
[22:33:28] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, i just thought of another thing re capitalism; its fine to keep what you earn, the price of being rich is putting up with the jealousy of the lazy/unlucky
[22:33:38] <nick> crutchy: completely reasonable. i appreciate how lucky i have been, or try to. it makes me sad knowing many nice people who are not able to reach their potential, some are exploited along the way.
[22:33:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth
[22:34:06] <crutchy> fuck. well this is a shit argument
[22:34:12] <crutchy> #socialist TheMightyBuzzard
[22:34:12] <MrPlow> TheMightyBuzzard, you're a socialist!
[22:34:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> #socialist crutchy
[22:34:17] <MrPlow> crutchy, you're a socialist!
[22:34:23] <crutchy> i suck at trolling thismorning
[22:35:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> try on the site. there's some systemd and linux as a desktop trolling to be had.
[22:35:10] crutchy is now known as tugger
[22:35:16] <tugger> tooooooot
[22:36:22] <tugger> hmm. prolly. or freenode
[22:36:56] <tugger> dammit. someone registered the nick 'tugger' on freenode
[22:37:06] <tugger> i should find them and call them a vagina
[22:37:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://www.crm114.com
[22:37:28] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03Al Gore or the Unabomber?
[22:38:09] <tugger> so was the colorado springs shooter a beernie sanders supporter or summin?
[22:38:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> registered UAF, some smalltime socialist party
[22:39:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> also registered as a woman
[22:39:35] <Bytram> Hi... I gotta go soon, but this discussion got me thinking...
[22:39:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno why, it didn't get anyone else thinking
[22:40:07] <Bytram> would I rather be around a woman who is in a nice dress, heels, and looking nice, or one who looks, say, frumpy?
[22:40:17] <tugger> it just ended up reminding me of russell crowe on south park
[22:40:37] <tugger> Bytram, pick the frumpy one. she's probably a better wife
[22:40:40] <Bytram> also, people in general, prefer to hang around with people they perceive to be winners rather than losers.
[22:40:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> frumpy
[22:41:04] <Bytram> the appearance is a start, but there needs to be substance behind it, of course.
[22:41:09] <tugger> Bytram, depends. there are plenty of sore winners out there
[22:41:10] <Bytram> still, first impressions are lasting ones.
[22:41:17] <Bytram> Tachyon: touche!
[22:41:19] <nick> depends what you define as winning
[22:41:31] <tugger> nobody likes being around a sore [winner|loser]
[22:41:44] <tugger> people like being around other happy people
[22:41:48] <Bytram> many years ago, I saw a massage therapist who had an office at a chiropractor.
[22:41:52] <Tachyon> Bytram: touche!
[22:41:52] <Bytram> got to talking with the doc
[22:41:54] <tugger> its attitude that counts
[22:42:02] <Bytram> true, that
[22:42:16] <Bytram> he grew his business for quite a while and then it plateaued
[22:42:25] <Bytram> he was talking with his golfing buddies
[22:42:34] <Bytram> asked them how they grew their business
[22:42:41] <Bytram> they said: "Buy a mercedes"
[22:42:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, i'll go watch Creed tomorrow instead. round noon when there's less yahoos
[22:42:44] <Bytram> what?
[22:42:53] <Bytram> how will buying a mercedes make a difference?
[22:42:58] <Bytram> he tried more marketing and other things
[22:43:01] <Bytram> no difference
[22:43:06] <Bytram> bought a mercedes
[22:43:10] <Bytram> his business went right up
[22:43:10] <tugger> Bytram, buying a mercedes might make a difference
[22:43:16] <tugger> seems dumb, but its true
[22:43:24] <nick> so Bytram, you're saying i should buy a mercedes?
[22:43:28] <Bytram> there is no *rational* reason why it should make a difference
[22:43:30] <tugger> same as you'll often see rich people are very picky about watches
[22:43:32] <Bytram> but, it did.
[22:43:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> in london? not on your life
[22:43:50] <Bytram> Apple is one of the most successful companies
[22:43:54] <nick> damn.
[22:43:56] <tugger> if you don't have a certain brand watch in a certain situation, you're not *in*
[22:44:01] <Bytram> they are making mnoney hand over fist
[22:44:13] <swiss> tugger: not always correct anymore
[22:44:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> correct me if i'm wrong but you couldn't find parking for an RC car in london.
[22:44:20] <tugger> apple is taking advantage of another of human weaknesses; vanity
[22:44:28] <Bytram> people are willing to buy that product, knowing full well they must be paying 'too much' otherwise apple would
[22:44:30] <swiss> tugger: in quite a few higher tech circles, wearing a non-smartwatch is seen as "old"
[22:44:32] <Bytram> not be making so much money
[22:44:49] <tugger> swiss, that only proves my point
[22:44:57] <nick> TheMightyBuzzard: for the last month i've been back working in central london for the first time in a few years
[22:44:59] <Bytram> istm they want to 'associate' with a perceived winner
[22:45:01] <swiss> right, but no-watch is acceptable
[22:45:15] <nick> parking is available, around $30 a day
[22:45:17] <swiss> as long as you go with the "I don't like the battery life on the current watch"
[22:45:24] <Bytram> swiss: or, if it is a watch, it should be a swiss watch, right? =)
[22:45:29] <tugger> swiss, its still shallow and irrational, but goes to show human nature
[22:45:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, that's not too terrible then.
[22:45:37] <swiss> Bytram: heh. I have a few.
[22:45:40] <Bytram> I work retail, now.
[22:45:43] <nick> it's been worse
[22:45:47] <swiss> having a relative who was a watchmaker helps
[22:45:48] <tugger> Bytram, swiss watch prolly still valid in certain business circles
[22:45:49] <Bytram> when I worked at IBM, back in the early 80's
[22:45:56] <Bytram> I wore sneakers, jeans, and a polo shirt to work
[22:45:57] <tugger> maybe banking or something
[22:45:58] <nick> the couple of hours it can take to travel 10 miles is not so much
[22:46:07] <swiss> tugger: more in marketing than in leadership for tech areas
[22:46:10] <Bytram> they are paying me to get things done... why do I have to look 'pretty'?
[22:46:19] <swiss> tugger: and i work in tech banking ;)
[22:46:31] <Bytram> now, I wear dress shoes, slacks, dress shirt, suit jacket, and a tie to work
[22:46:31] <tugger> swiss, but you're not an exec
[22:46:37] <Bytram> I ditch the jacket soon after I arrive.
[22:46:53] <Bytram> felt stuffy, at first, but I now feel comfortable enough in it, now.
[22:46:54] <swiss> tugger: no, but I interface with the execs frequently. Including events with other company execs
[22:47:05] <Bytram> the difference in how others treat me is noticable
[22:47:05] * nick has never been able to conform to uniform or dress codes
[22:47:13] <nick> for a day, but never regularly
[22:47:14] <tugger> Bytram, i dress in a suit for work, even though i'm not required to. i do it to help the company look smarter
[22:47:20] <Bytram> ncie
[22:47:22] <Bytram> nice
[22:47:24] <swiss> and I'm young enough that I can play the "teach me your ways" card effectively
[22:47:33] <nick> heh
[22:47:37] <Bytram> "Women go crazy over a sharp-dressed man."
[22:47:41] <Bytram> I've seen this to be true.
[22:47:46] <nick> yeah
[22:47:54] <swiss> i haven't worn a suit since i started working at my current job, but it's been intentional
[22:48:03] <nick> that's all quite true, and if people like being dressed in a suit and tie, then that's cool
[22:48:10] <swiss> wearing a suit where I'm at would be seen as "compensating for a lack of competency"
[22:48:12] <nick> i get that it feels good to look good
[22:48:20] <Bytram> there is an 'aura' given off by appearing successful, that others apparently find attractive.
[22:48:39] <Bytram> when I was in tech, I would struggle to be able to carry on a casual conversation
[22:48:54] <nick> i've seen it, met different people in different contexts, not realising i'm the same person.
[22:48:58] <swiss> I wore a tie my first day to work and the highest ranking man in the SOC walked by my desk and said "I'll have my report on your desk by noon, bossman"
[22:48:58] <Bytram> now, I can approach a complete stranger, and strike up a conversation
[22:49:00] <tugger> i work with guys that wear tshirt and tracksuit pants, and when they bend over the sight is horrible. those are the guys that don't do the business any favors as far as client impression goes, and when the business falls on hard times they will likely lose points for it
[22:49:06] <Bytram> and be complete;ly at ease about it.
[22:49:06] <swiss> then told me directly to never wear a tie again to work
[22:49:36] <Bytram> it's amazing what a dozen or so years of practice can do.
[22:49:39] <tugger> swiss, ties aren't really a tech thing
[22:49:48] <tugger> engineers dont very often wear ties
[22:49:52] <swiss> tugger: right, neither are suits. You actually lose points with them.
[22:50:05] <tugger> only suit pants and shirt usually
[22:50:11] <Bytram> nod nod
[22:50:13] <tugger> or suit pants and company logo polo shirt
[22:50:15] <Bytram> know your audience
[22:50:20] <swiss> Unless you're meeting with a tier 1 C level (our CISO is tier 2) you shouldn't be wearing a tie
[22:50:24] <nick> correct, Bytram
[22:50:28] <swiss> tugger: buttonup + jeans for california
[22:50:30] <Bytram> thansk
[22:50:33] <swiss> for M-W
[22:50:43] <tugger> swiss, prolly depends on location as well yeah :p
[22:50:46] <swiss> jeans + company/industry related t-shirt for Th-F
[22:51:09] <Bytram> when giving a presentation, I need to know my audience, what they do and don't know, and try to use that information as a foundation on which I can try and communicate with them
[22:51:20] <swiss> we're also in-office, we don't have clients
[22:51:26] <swiss> for the tech side
[22:51:35] <tugger> engineers usually don't wanna dress smarter than the execs that they're trying to win over
[22:51:40] <Bytram> what is language, except a body of shared knowledge that is used to try and convey what is in my heart and mind to someone else's heart and mind.
[22:51:44] <tugger> but not too lower either
[22:51:54] <Bytram> and language is not restricted to just words, there's body language, too.
[22:51:55] <tugger> sometimes very delicate balance
[22:51:58] <Bytram> a smile goes a LONG ways!
[22:52:17] <Bytram> delivcate balance, indeed. good point
[22:52:35] <Bytram> there is the old saw to dress for the position that you aspire to be in.
[22:52:43] <swiss> I also won points at my last conference presentation by refusing to use the powerpoint slideshow I submitted
[22:52:44] <nick> that's why i avoid meetings in the morning, can set a bad impression
[22:52:49] <Bytram> that makes it easier for others to picture you IN that position.
[22:52:50] <Bytram> nograb
[22:52:55] <Bytram> ;)
[22:52:58] <swiss> well, they required me to submit the powerpoint, so i made 4 no-information slides
[22:53:00] <Bytram> and, with that, I really gtg
[22:53:14] <Bytram> swiss++
[22:53:14] <Bender> karma - swiss: 10
[22:53:27] * nick hat tip
[22:53:28] <tugger> last week i was talking to a client and he eventually hung up on me cos i think we were getting a bit too casual. that was probably a case where i should have kept things a bit less casual (it wasn't a nasty hangup, he said as he was laughing "i'm going to hang up now")
[22:53:48] <Bytram> chat with ya all, later.
[22:53:55] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[22:53:55] <tugger> cya Bytram
[22:54:00] tugger is now known as crutchy
[22:54:36] <crutchy> powerpoint--
[22:54:36] <Bender> karma - powerpoint: -4
[22:54:58] <crutchy> we have a job meeting every monday. we just use a whiteboard :)
[22:55:08] <crutchy> whiteboards++
[22:55:08] <Bender> karma - whiteboards: 1
[22:55:11] <chromas> everybody loves slideshows and their invasion into website territory
[22:55:13] <nick> tugger: client interaction can be weird, with work i am generally straight to the point across the board but in a fairly casual manner
[22:55:21] <Bytram|away> btw, this story in Forbes (gotta enable forbes.com and forbesimg.com) is rather intersting from a freedom to travel in the US perspective. http://www.forbes.com
[22:55:22] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03Forbes Welcome ( http://www.forbes.com )
[22:55:46] <Bytram|away> If your state does not have an ID conforming to RealID, you may need a *passport* to take a flight
[22:56:02] <crutchy> is there still freedom to travel in the US? i thought you guys had nazi checkpoints everywhere now?
[22:56:02] <chromas> does a RealDoll count?
[22:56:34] <Bytram|away> and now there is a proposal to modify the tax code so that passports can be 'blocked' for owing $50k or more to the IRS
[22:56:52] <crutchy> in australia we can be pulled over by the police and asked for id at any time, but at least we don't have checkpoints
[22:57:05] <chromas> here too
[22:57:13] <chromas> plus they can sue your car
[22:57:35] <nick> you can almost taste the freedom
[22:57:46] <Bytram|away> in the USA, a driver's license is sufficient for ID, except for flights for Four states whose IDs are not realiID compliant
[22:58:17] <crutchy> if i get pulled over by a cop, there's no "am i free to leave" bullshit. i do as i'm told or i end up in a cell
[22:58:29] <Bytram|away> they currently have waivers for some months into 2016, but that may chance and then what happens after the waiver peiod ends?
[22:58:29] <swiss> crutchy: i think that's better
[22:58:34] <Bytram|away> need some other acceptable ID
[22:58:36] <Bytram|away> a passport.
[22:58:47] <Bytram|away> "Yet the IRS may have something to say about whether your passport is any good. H.R.22 has passed both the House and the Senate. It is expected to pass and be signed into law, adding new section 7345 to the tax code. The title of the section is “Revocation or Denial of Passport in Case of Certain Tax Delinquencies.” "
[22:59:04] <Bytram|away> read the article, would be good to submit, but I lack the time atm.
[22:59:07] <crutchy> swiss, i kinda think so too. even though its not as 'freedum'
[22:59:12] <Bytram|away> ok.rreally REALLzY gtg.
[22:59:14] <Bytram|away> taters!
[22:59:18] <Bytram|away> lol
[22:59:19] <Bytram|away> laters!
[22:59:34] <crutchy> i'm actually sorta comfortable with australia's lack of a bill of rights. might seem weird
[22:59:38] <swiss> crutchy: right. There should still be accountability for cops... but increase their powers in that case so that we don't deal with as much shit
[22:59:58] <swiss> if they're abusing it, have a working method to call them out on it
[23:00:01] <crutchy> our cops basically are the law
[23:00:31] <crutchy> if you end up dealing with a shitty cop, there's not much you can do except ride it out and take action later
[23:01:21] <nick> cops are just people, some are assholes and people who like the position of authority are inclined to go for it as a career
[23:01:55] <crutchy> i don't mind our gun laws either (that are actually enforced)
[23:02:24] <crutchy> maybe i'm not as libertarian as i thought
[23:02:24] <nick> but i do know of occasions where there are problems with institutional secrecy and a lack of accountability
[23:02:34] <crutchy> or a moderate libertarian or something
[23:02:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> #socialist crutchy
[23:02:55] <MrPlow> crutchy, you're a socialist!
[23:03:48] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, i actually think that stricter guns laws would be OK in the US *IF* the size/scope of your government was cut by maybe 75%
[23:04:16] <chromas> or just cut them by 75%
[23:04:22] <crutchy> i feel much safer walking down the street here than i would if there were people carrying guns
[23:04:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, the guns are what keep the government honest. at any time we can kill them.
[23:04:29] <nick> I don't think the UK would be more free or safer with more guns, but also I doubt the US would be more better for more regulation.
[23:04:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> at least that's the theory.
[23:04:48] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, i agree. but its only because of the size of your government that it is such a threat
[23:04:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> in practice you gotta be willing to bust a cap in a few of em to keep the others in line now n then.
[23:05:05] * chromas activates dick mode and mentions France
[23:05:22] <crutchy> france is the pussy. germany is the dick :p
[23:05:30] * crutchy doesn't mention the war
[23:05:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> nick, yalls violent crimes rate was much lower back when ya had guns but that is what i like to call "not my problem"
[23:06:14] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[23:06:15] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Civil Forfeiture (HBO) - YouTube
[23:06:23] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, i would never wanna visit america today because your political system is so polarized
[23:06:33] <crutchy> there are political extremists on both sides
[23:06:43] <crutchy> add guns to that
[23:06:50] <crutchy> = not good
[23:06:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, that's shitposting mostly. on the streets we're just folks.
[23:07:15] <crutchy> tell that to the people of colorado springs
[23:07:26] <crutchy> the shooter was a political whackjob
[23:07:29] <nick> TheMightyBuzzard: in a longer term, idealist world, then it could be. The culture of the country as it stands, the people most inclined to want guns are those least responsible. It would be a very painful process in current British society to become a gun friendly culture.
[23:07:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> crazy people gonna do what crazy people gonna do.
[23:07:31] <chromas> crutchy: you have to remember, we're trying to make IP our biggest export; that includes much bitching and boasting
[23:07:39] <crutchy> lol
[23:07:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> nick, you're very likely right.
[23:07:54] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, true, but there are too many crazy people with guns in america
[23:08:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> well yeah, there are so many people here period
[23:08:17] <crutchy> the left avoids the crazy people, the right avoids the guns
[23:08:50] <chromas> what I thought the right was the gun-lovers
[23:08:57] <chromas> dammit stop moving the left and right around!
[23:08:58] <crutchy> i mean in debates
[23:09:01] <crutchy> lol
[23:09:35] <crutchy> maybe i should have said "the left doesn't want crazy people laws, and the right doesn't want gun laws"
[23:09:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> i should be in every presidential debate. there just ain't enough "yo momma"s thrown in them nowadays.
[23:10:01] <crutchy> hell yeah
[23:10:12] <crutchy> though trump is close
[23:10:20] <crutchy> has he fallen off the wagon yet?
[23:10:29] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: also "suck it"
[23:10:32] <crutchy> the media seems to have moved on
[23:10:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> or "bitch, i will come over this podium and slap yo ass"
[23:10:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> !grab chromas
[23:10:51] <Bender> Added quote 610
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[23:11:04] <chromas> that's a reality show we should be watching
[23:11:19] <crutchy> or "my mom gives me shit sometimes, and i tell her to shut her hole before i kick her in the nuts"
[23:11:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> hahaha
[23:11:44] <crutchy> cartman++
[23:11:44] <Bender> karma - cartman: 1
[23:11:44] <chromas> what we need is to slip some booze to all the candidates before they go on tv
[23:11:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> cartman++
[23:11:51] <Bender> karma - cartman: 2
[23:11:58] <crutchy> Eric Cartman for President!
[23:12:09] <crutchy> Fat Lives Matter!
[23:12:56] <nick> he has good policies...
[23:13:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, i gots to do something sides sit at the computer. maybe sit on the couch and watch tv instead.
[23:13:13] <chromas> it's why you need a laptop
[23:13:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> fookin rain
[23:13:21] <chromas> just for irc-ing from couch
[23:13:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> i got two of em, i just hate the bloody things.
[23:13:34] <crutchy> laptops++
[23:13:34] <Bender> karma - laptops: 0
[23:13:44] <chromas> get one with a numberpad
[23:13:47] <chromas> numberpads++
[23:13:47] <Bender> karma - numberpads: 1
[23:13:49] <crutchy> my desktop machines have been switched off for a couple of months
[23:14:08] <crutchy> even the one with 3 screens!
[23:14:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> traitor!
[23:14:19] <crutchy> ermagerd i miss having massive screen real estate
[23:14:51] <crutchy> problem with not using my desktop for a while is that it starts to attract clutter
[23:14:52] <chromas> crutchy: you just need to mount them around the couch from the ceiling
[23:14:58] <crutchy> now a can't even get to it :(
[23:15:05] <crutchy> lol
[23:15:07] <chromas> or a giant armature so you can move them out of the way
[23:16:42] <crutchy> http://cdn.overclock.net
[23:17:25] <crutchy> what the!? http://theproductfarm.com
[23:17:46] <chromas> neat
[23:18:10] <crutchy> this is more my style: http://i.imgur.com
[23:18:15] <chromas> needs more vidya cards though
[23:18:26] <chromas> lol
[23:18:31] <chromas> the wife would smake you for that one
[23:20:22] <alexbst> nice
[23:20:30] <alexbst> I more or less live with just a macbook air these days
[23:22:17] <crutchy> this one looks ok http://images.bit-tech.net
[23:22:30] <crutchy> love te big green button at the bottom
[23:24:01] <nick> i like it
[23:24:12] <crutchy> ok this is going a bit far: https://www.youtube.com
[23:24:14] <F-ckB-t> ^ 03Wall Mounted Silicone Oil Aquarium PC - YouTube
[23:24:49] <chromas> I'd say windows 8 is a bit far
[23:24:54] <crutchy> upgrading that would be annoying
[23:29:57] <crutchy> chromas, what does that make windows 10?
[23:30:30] <chromas> full retard
[23:30:37] <nick> human rights abuse
[23:31:18] <chromas> even if it is slightly better, what with the star menu and uh, I guess that's it
[23:31:30] <chromas> still got those faggotronic tiles though
[23:31:48] <crutchy> i use a program that puts the old start menu back into windows 8
[23:31:57] <crutchy> my windows 8 looks like windows 98 again :)
[23:32:04] <crutchy> well, sorta
[23:32:14] <chromas> which I think is really just a continuation of those little active desktop things from win96 + explorer 4
[23:32:32] <nick> i have decided for desktops, windows 7 is good until it's out of extended support, by then it's unlikely to matter what OS
[23:32:33] <chromas> s/6/5/
[23:32:33] <sedctl> <chromas> which I think is really just a continuation of those little active desktop things from win95 + explorer 4
[23:32:40] <crutchy> nooo! its innervashun!!!
[23:32:55] <chromas> 7 doesn't have proper support for recent amd cpus though
[23:32:59] <crutchy> s/sh/d/
[23:33:00] <sedctl> <crutchy> nooo! its innervadun!!!
[23:33:17] <nick> can't say im rushing to buy any new consumer hardware
[23:33:31] <chromas> anything since bulldozer
[23:33:32] <crutchy> chromas, maybe should should just put a modern linux kernel in your windows
[23:34:36] <nick> my current cpu on primary desktop is a phenom ii, had it for some time now, i cant see any need to upgrade it really
[23:34:47] * crutchy wonders if it would be possible to hack a windows install to put a linux kernel in it
[23:35:07] <crutchy> i've god an amd dual core in my desktop
[23:35:14] <crutchy> s/d/t/
[23:35:14] <sedctl> <crutchy> i've got an amd dual core in my desktop
[23:35:45] <crutchy> 32bit ftw!
[23:35:51] <nick> have another one with an FX-8150 i think, dont really use it as it's at the office which i never am.
[23:36:22] <crutchy> my work pc is a rediculously overpriced alienware thing
[23:36:24] <nick> otherwise it's just whatever old dells come up cheap, so thats intel cores of earlier generations
[23:36:51] <crutchy> i think the IT guy at work has a hard on for alienware
[23:36:52] <nick> alienware still doing what it always did?
[23:37:06] <crutchy> stupid blinkenlights?
[23:37:30] <chromas> crutchy: sure just install linux, wine, then all the authentic windows dlls into wine
[23:37:38] <nick> fancy cases, lights, little substance in the actual hardware for the price
[23:37:54] <crutchy> nick, that's exactly what they're still doing
[23:38:14] <chromas> dude, you're gettin' adelle!
[23:38:23] <crutchy> dell--
[23:38:23] <Bender> karma - dell: -4
[23:38:37] <nick> is anyone actually making decent hardware anymore, pc components or complete systems
[23:38:46] <chromas> no
[23:38:51] <crutchy> i still like toshiba for laptops
[23:38:52] <nick> anything i've seen from the last 5 years seems to be on a real downward trend
[23:39:12] <swiss> crutchy: imo the reason you're okay with your laws is that your culture isn't shitty about your laws
[23:39:29] <nick> got a toshiba laptop for my dad, it's been ok so far, was good value
[23:39:47] * cmn32480 is off to target for the last of the Black Friday deals.
[23:39:50] <chromas> who needs guns when you have dropbears and roos?
[23:39:56] <cmn32480> me
[23:39:59] <cmn32480> guns
[23:40:00] <cmn32480> need
[23:40:03] <cmn32480> have daughter
[23:40:27] <crutchy> i can appreciate the need for a gun in a country that is full of crazies with guns
[23:40:37] <crutchy> i'm just glad i'm not in one
[23:40:40] <cmn32480> I have several.
[23:40:42] <cmn32480> need more
[23:40:45] <nick> crutchy: agreed
[23:41:03] <chromas> martial arts is also a good option
[23:41:58] <crutchy> my kung fu isn't as good at 2am during a home invasion
[23:42:13] <crutchy> though to be fair my aim prolly isn't either :p
[23:42:17] <nick> i'd consider guns in other environments for hunting and protection of the home
[23:42:37] <crutchy> shotgun++
[23:42:37] <Bender> karma - shotgun: 1
[23:42:51] <crutchy> don't need to worry about aim :)
[23:42:51] <chromas> scattergun++
[23:42:51] <Bender> karma - scattergun: 1
[23:42:55] <chromas> redneck_rampage++
[23:42:55] <Bender> karma - redneck_rampage: 1
[23:43:03] <nick> but round these parts, bullet could go through a wall into the next property, especially in newer builds
[23:43:12] <cmn32480> off to target! back later
[23:43:16] <chromas> cya
[23:43:19] * nick hat tip
[23:43:19] cmn32480 is now known as cmn32480|shoppin
[23:43:19] <crutchy> to buy a gun?
[23:43:26] <cmn32480|shoppin> I wish....
[23:43:31] <cmn32480|shoppin> XBox one
[23:43:32] <chromas> targets don't sell guns
[23:43:37] <chromas> people do
[23:43:44] <crutchy> do guns come with happy meals in america?
[23:43:52] <chromas> only in the south
[23:44:08] <chromas> no, steaks come with guns
[23:44:37] <crutchy> i was thinking dogs, but i think that's in britain
[23:44:45] <crutchy> they're always throwing dogs in with deals
[23:44:54] <chromas> You get the cow and the gun used to kill it
[23:45:04] <crutchy> cows with guns
[23:45:17] * chromas 's house is made of concrete
[23:45:32] <chromas> it's in the shape of a garage because it started as one
[23:45:34] <crutchy> but but... railguns!
[23:45:44] <crutchy> need thicker armor
[23:45:57] <chromas> crutchy, man, there is no cow level
[23:46:13] <crutchy> railguns = poweroverwhelming
[23:47:07] <chromas> there is a happy rainbow land in diablo 3 though
[23:47:17] <chromas> with smiling clouds and purple unicorns
[23:48:04] <chromas> no railguns though. torchlight 3 might have railguns
[23:48:50] <crutchy> ~say <#> tama, i'd rather be sailing
[23:49:25] <chromas> kde's giving me aids. cumpositor keeps taking a dump
[23:49:38] <crutchy> better go have a shave and shower. gotta visit the in-laws today :/
[23:49:44] <chromas> unfortunately, it's the only desktop environment in linux
[23:49:47] <crutchy> bugger
[23:49:50] <crutchy> kde--
[23:49:50] <Bender> karma - kde: 3
[23:49:56] <crutchy> xfce++
[23:49:56] <Bender> karma - xfce: 10
[23:50:04] <chromas> doesn't exist
[23:50:22] <crutchy> i see your problem.. you're using arch
[23:50:34] <crutchy> archlinux--
[23:50:34] <Bender> karma - archlinux: 66
[23:50:45] <chromas> if I were a real arch user I'd be using twm, but that doesn't exist either
[23:50:59] <crutchy> maybe you're holding it wrong?
[23:51:14] <chromas> crutchy going off to invoke sss
[23:54:31] <crutchy> debian++
[23:54:31] <Bender> karma - debian: 49
[23:54:43] <crutchy> systemd++
[23:54:43] <Bender> karma - systemd: -24