#Soylent | Logs for 2015-11-27

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[00:53:48] <cmn32480|away> damn... I keep missing crutchy
[01:05:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[01:06:16] cmn32480|away is now known as cmn32480
[01:07:14] <cmn32480> if you see him buzzard, pleae tell him to email me the files he was trying to send via IRC
[01:07:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep yep
[01:08:03] <cmn32480> eventually I'll get up with him... but alas, and he sin't on a bouncer either
[01:09:29] <chromas> hehe, if you run your exec instance then you can use the ~tell command :D
[01:09:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~tell crutchy email cmn32480 them files you were trying to dcc
[01:10:57] <chromas> $tell crutchy Good sir, cmn32480 hereby requests a parley res exec files, dawg skillet
[01:10:57] <aqu4> I'll tell them in a PM next time I see 'em.
[01:11:41] <cmn32480> right, but that requires that I leave exec running, which I am not prepared to do at this time.
[01:11:56] <cmn32480> ]need to get the mysql and apparmor working first
[01:12:21] <chromas> aqu4 will tell him lest we forget
[01:12:34] <cmn32480> sorry for the delay in replying... I was paged by the universal "DADDY, I'M DONE POOPING!"
[01:12:36] * Bytram|away is restless before heading in to work at 11pm for black friday
[01:12:40] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[01:12:51] <Bytram> I should be sleeping, but am now listening to: https://www.youtube.com
[01:12:51] <timecube> ^ 03The Waitresses - Christmas Wrapping (Music Video) - YouTube
[01:12:59] * chromas makes mental note: front-to-back
[01:13:04] <Bytram> cmn32480: No shit?
[01:13:09] <Bytram> =)
[01:13:14] <cmn32480> no... it was a LOT of shit
[01:13:22] <Bytram> oh, that's goooood!
[01:13:25] <cmn32480> I was surprised a plunger wasn't needed
[01:13:35] <chromas> Bender: grab cmn32480
[01:13:35] <Bender> Added quote 607
[01:13:38] <Bytram> oh. oh MY!
[01:13:47] <cmn32480> !quote 601
[01:13:47] <Bender> Quote 601 - <bytram> well, his is certainly larger than mine.
[01:13:56] <cmn32480> hush bytram
[01:13:57] <Bytram> I just can't get over the bass line to "Christmas Wrapping"
[01:14:03] <Bytram> lol
[01:14:26] <cmn32480> lol
[01:15:11] <Bytram> this is probably THE one song, that when I hear it, triggers the thought: okay, NOW it is the holiday season upon us.
[01:16:07] <Bytram> ISTR that mrcoolbp plays guitar, wonder if he could cover the bass line on this song?
[01:16:20] <cmn32480> bass != guitar
[01:16:32] <Bytram> umm, bass guitar, no?
[01:16:37] <cmn32480> yes, but no
[01:17:11] <Bytram> like a biker rids a bike... but it has no pedals.
[01:17:16] <cmn32480> AFAIK there are different styles, string counts, and all kinds of other stuff
[01:17:38] <Bytram> yes, I am aware, but just pulling legs.
[01:17:39] <Bytram> nograb
[01:17:54] <cmn32480> back in a few... gotta kiss kids gnight
[01:18:08] <Bytram> like playing a bass cello is not quite the same as playing a violin
[01:18:38] <Bytram> first off, a bass cello would not fit on my shoulder.
[01:18:56] <chromas> But we'd like to see you try
[01:19:11] * chromas humbly requests video of attempt
[01:21:17] <Bytram> honey, I shrunk the bass
[01:21:37] <Bytram> that sounds... fishy.
[01:22:04] <Bytram> you think that's bad, try running a bow across their flippers!
[01:22:20] <Bytram> methinks he'll bow out now..
[01:22:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> because you know it's all about the bass, bout the bass
[01:22:57] <Bytram> largemouth or smallmouth bass?
[01:23:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm not picky.
[01:23:38] <Bytram> nod nod
[01:24:11] <Bytram> aww, that's sad.
[01:24:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> whazzat?
[01:25:21] <Bytram> Patty Donahue, the lead vocal for The Waitresses (see: Christmas Wrapping) died at the age of 40.
[01:25:34] <Bytram> I thought I read it was of lung cancer, but can't seem to find it now.
[01:26:21] <Bytram> here it is: "On December 9, 1996, Donahue died of lung cancer at the age of 40."
[01:26:25] <Bytram> https://en.wikipedia.org
[01:26:26] <timecube> ^ 03Wiki: Patty Donahue
[01:27:27] <Bytram> well, SHE may have passed, but her music carries on. Would that something I do have such lasting, positive effect.
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[01:32:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> hur hur hur. made myself a pet wolf summoning mod for minecraft.
[01:37:50] * Bytram pets the wolf; steps back when he sees what big teeth he has.
[01:39:46] <Bytram> http://arstechnica.com
[01:39:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> definitely need a necromancer mod so's ya can have pet skeletons n zombies
[01:39:47] <timecube> ^ 03Black Friday Dealmaster starts early with the post-turkey bargains | Ars Technica
[01:44:31] <Bytram> hmm, http://r.zdbb.net
[01:45:05] <Bytram> no timecube, eh?
[01:45:15] <Bytram> should go to: Samsung EVO 850 500GB solid state drive for $147.99 (list price $199.99)
[01:46:33] <chromas> just gives a noscript redirect
[01:46:46] <Bytram> ahh, that 'splains it.
[01:47:13] <chromas> http://www.amazon.com
[01:47:16] <timecube> ^ 03Amazon.com: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB 2.5-Inch SATA III Internal SSD (MZ-75E500B/AM): Computers Accessories
[01:47:37] <chromas> s/\?.*//
[01:47:37] <sedctl> <chromas> http://www.amazon.com
[01:47:53] <chromas> heh
[01:48:02] <chromas> /dp/B00OBRE5UE
[01:48:05] <Bytram> it's a tempting price, but I think I'll pass for now. Don't really need it, and if I'm going to go through the trouble of an upgrade, I'll get something larger than my current 500GB spinning rust drive.
[01:48:55] <chromas> yeah, 500GB isn't enough for anybody :)
[01:49:25] <Hazuki> i have maybe 20GB of data...would be plenty here
[01:50:14] <Bytram> how large is your OS?
[01:50:20] <chromas> SSDs need to come way down in price. Where's all those carbon nanotubes who're supposed be revolutionizing everything 10 years from each article?
[01:50:55] <Hazuki> tiny. 6.2GB in /, 19GB in /home as of now
[01:50:59] <Bytram> problem with nanotubes is that they lack a bandgap... makes it hard to do electroincs with 'em
[01:51:19] <chromas> ssh, you! They're magical; the intertubez say so
[01:51:29] <Hazuki> that new Micron/Intel stuff sounds intresting. XPoint, was it?
[01:51:35] <Bytram> nod nod
[01:51:53] <Bytram> I don't recall for sure, but ISTR it is due out within a year or so.
[01:52:46] <Bytram> From what I read, it is supposed to be less expensive and slower than RAM; more expensive but much faster than NAND.
[01:53:25] <Bytram> well, Windows 7 Pro is a bit of pig by comparison: 25+ GB
[01:53:59] <Bytram> break time, back in a few
[01:54:41] * chromas wonders what clean windows installs have that full linux installs don't
[01:55:04] <Hazuki> my windows partition says 18G and it's basically clean
[01:55:29] <chromas> is it 7?
[01:55:33] <Hazuki> yes
[01:55:49] <chromas> the last windows
[01:56:12] * chromas boots a vm to compare
[01:59:07] * TheMightyBuzzard sings "glove slap, baby glove slap, glove slap, I don't take crap, glove slap, shut your big yap"
[01:59:24] <chromas> I just had that stuck in my brain last night
[01:59:42] <chromas> #duel TheMightyBuzzard
[01:59:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> great episode, that
[02:02:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> kay, thought it over and i got little use for a 500GB ssd. i only put the os on my ssd and it barely takes up any space even if i let it go for a year without cleaning out old packages.
[02:03:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Who Owns Space? Us Asteroid-mining Act is Dangerous and Potentially Illegal - http://sylnt.us - space-mining
[02:03:24] <Bytram> oops... 'Us' should be 'US'... I'm on it.
[02:03:46] * chromas is reminded of Descent
[02:05:25] * Bytram changes 'unbriddled' to 'unbridled'
[02:05:48] <Bytram> saved
[02:06:21] <Hazuki> you know how they say "those who forget history are doomed to repeat it?"
[02:06:27] * chromas notes that the Us has copyrighted 100% of outer space
[02:06:49] <Hazuki> what they don't say is "those who remember it are doomed to be dragged kicking and screaming through it because those who forget it tend to be powerful"
[02:07:24] <Bytram> not according to an advert I heard recently, I could get a star named for someone and have it recorded in the library of congress for only $49.99 -- act now!
[02:08:06] * Bytram wonders if he could sneak in a nebula, instead -- that could be a few beellion stars!
[02:08:55] <Bytram> http://catless.ncl.ac.uk
[02:08:57] <timecube> ^ 03The Risks Digest Volume 29: Issue 12 ( http://catless.ncl.ac.uk )
[02:09:19] <Bytram> Craig Timberg, in *The Washington Post* (via DH via Dave Farber)
[02:09:20] <Bytram> This is a multi-part project on the Internet's inherent vulnerabilities and
[02:09:20] <Bytram> why they may never be fixed.
[02:10:22] <chromas> time to fork
[02:10:28] <chromas> when we get internet beta
[02:10:53] <Bytram> btw, over 400 MB of my windows install is taken up by fonts... well over 600 files.
[02:11:01] * chromas wolf whistles
[02:11:20] * Bytram wonders if it fetches TheMightyBuzzard's pet wolf
[02:11:23] <chromas> I've only 14 MB :'(
[02:12:24] <Bytram> 16 of my font files are 10 MB or larger; largest is 33MB
[02:12:52] <chromas> do they contain support for the whole of unicode?
[02:12:59] <Bytram> unifont alone is 12.3 MB and then there is unifont_csur which is another 12+MB
[02:13:09] <Bytram> the unifont ones pretty much do
[02:13:11] <chromas> even the 5+-byte characters?
[02:13:25] <Bytram> umm, afaik those are deprecarted.
[02:13:40] <chromas> isn't that where most of the emojis are?
[02:13:51] <Bytram> don't use emoji, don't know.
[02:14:01] <Bytram> I thnk those are 'alternate' planes
[02:14:22] <Bytram> it's been a while and it's too late in the day.
[02:14:48] <Bytram> here's one: arialuni.ttf is 23.2 MB
[02:15:13] <chromas> 🍕
[02:15:16] <Bytram> that would be an Arial Unifont file.
[02:15:29] <Bytram> I don't have hexchat set up to see those.
[02:15:50] <chromas> It's a pizza slice. I guess it's only 4 bytes
[02:16:13] <Hazuki> if your mouth is really huge maybe
[02:16:20] <Bytram> yep. \U0001F355
[02:16:36] <Bytram> &#x1F355;
[02:16:55] <chromas> kcharselect doesn't show most of those :'(
[02:17:01] <chromas> (the kde character map thinger)
[02:17:20] <Bytram> I use a windows program: BabelMap
[02:17:42] <chromas> ooh it's in the aur
[02:17:50] <chromas> I assume it requires wine though
[02:18:09] <Hazuki> chromas: yay, another arch user
[02:18:10] <Bytram> It seems that is in the "Supplementary Multilingual Plane: Miscellaneous Symbols and Pictographs"
[02:18:43] <Bytram> which covers the range: 1F300..1F5FF
[02:19:01] <chromas> Hazuki: tmb is also, though I think he may be leaving for slack or something
[02:19:07] <chromas> arch++
[02:19:07] <Bender> karma - arch: 2
[02:19:09] <Bytram> Happy thanksgiving: 🍗
[02:19:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> hmm?
[02:19:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> arch++
[02:19:15] <Bender> karma - arch: 3
[02:19:21] <chromas> archlinux++
[02:19:21] <Bender> karma - archlinux: 67
[02:19:24] <chromas> that's better
[02:19:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> that too
[02:20:06] <chromas> ++🐓
[02:20:06] <timecube> Karma - 🐓: 1
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[02:20:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> 🐓💩
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[02:20:56] <chromas> well 💩, you killed him
[02:20:56] <cmn32480> sorry... I go t waylaid
[02:21:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> busy being distracted by Elementary myself. only thing on tv tonight.
[02:21:30] * cmn32480 mumbles something about chocolate mousse pie
[02:21:51] <Bytram> Boston Creme Pie FTW
[02:21:53] <Bytram> yum!
[02:22:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> pie++
[02:22:02] <Bender> karma - pie: 3
[02:22:12] <cmn32480> with milk
[02:22:21] <Bytram> well, time for me to clean up and get ready to head out to work -- Black Friday comes but once per year!
[02:22:31] <cmn32480> Thank God!
[02:22:39] <chromas> shirely you mean Friday of Color
[02:22:44] <Bytram> close second place: Eclair (no matter how you say it!)
[02:22:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> enjoy. try not to throw elbows in anger, only in necessity.
[02:22:58] <Bytram> shire? is that you, master frodo?
[02:23:19] <chromas> throw exceptions, not elbows
[02:23:22] <cmn32480> isn't taht the same thing buzzard?
[02:23:46] <cmn32480> he doesn't work for Microsoft!
[02:23:50] <Bytram> chromas++ nice one!
[02:23:50] <Bender> karma - chromas: 131
[02:24:06] <cmn32480> be safe Bytram
[02:24:13] <cmn32480> there are lots of idiots out there tonight
[02:24:16] <Bytram> thanks. will do.
[02:24:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering, blah blah blah
[02:24:28] <cmn32480> suffering leads to pain
[02:24:35] <Bytram> I'm a bit under-slept, but once I get there, I'll be fine.
[02:24:35] <cmn32480> pain leads to meeting cute doctors
[02:24:43] <cmn32480> cute doctors leads to getting laid
[02:24:48] <cmn32480> get angry bytram!
[02:25:00] <Bytram> notgonnahappen
[02:25:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> pain also leads to big medical bills
[02:25:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> cheaper to just get a hooker
[02:25:16] <cmn32480> comped by the cute doctor
[02:25:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> hooker++
[02:25:19] <Bender> karma - hooker: 1
[02:25:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> blow++
[02:25:22] <Bender> karma - blow: 1
[02:25:26] <cmn32480> dressed like a doctor?
[02:25:34] <cmn32480> or perhaps a naughty naughty nurse?
[02:25:42] <Bytram> maybe, just maid up like one?
[02:25:45] <Bytram> pun intended
[02:25:49] <cmn32480> my cats have nothign to do with this conversation
[02:26:17] <Bytram> ok, really gtg and get ready. biab
[02:26:22] <Bytram> afk
[02:26:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> wabe
[02:26:53] <Bytram> gesundheit
[02:26:58] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[02:27:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> half an hour till bedtime. prolly too late for coffee
[02:27:10] <chromas> :/ I can't stuff emojis into my terminal. This is the worst thing that's ever happened
[02:27:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> #weather boston, ma
[02:27:13] <MrPlow> Today: Partly cloudy. Lows overnight in the mid 40s. Tomorrow: Sunshine and clouds mixed. High 61F. Winds SW at 10 to 20 mph.
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[02:27:37] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[02:27:39] <exec_> 10Boston, MA, USA - currently 48°F / 9°C, mostly cloudy, wind S at 8 mph, humidity 93% - Thursday partly cloudy (46°F:57°F / 8°C:14°C), Friday partly cloudy (47°F:60°F / 8°C:16°C), Saturday cloudy (33°F:47°F / 1°C:8°C), Sunday partly cloudy (31°F:47°F / -1°C:8°C)
[02:27:43] <Bytram> ~weather portland, me
[02:27:45] <exec_> 10Portland, ME, USA - currently 48°F / 9°C, partly cloudy, wind S at 11 mph, humidity 86% - Thursday partly cloudy (42°F:51°F / 6°C:11°C), Friday partly cloudy (39°F:59°F / 4°C:15°C), Saturday cloudy (27°F:43°F / -3°C:6°C), Sunday sunny (25°F:44°F / -4°C:7°C)
[02:27:50] <Bytram> ~weather presque isle
[02:27:53] <exec_> 10Presque Isle, ME, USA - currently 44°F / 7°C, cloudy, wind S at 13 mph, humidity 82% - Thursday mostly cloudy (41°F:42°F / 5°C:6°C), Friday rain (24°F:47°F / -4°C:8°C), Saturday partly cloudy (21°F:31°F / -6°C:-1°C), Sunday partly cloudy (14°F:31°F / -10°C:-1°C)
[02:27:53] <cmn32480> sorry... he's late...again
[02:28:09] <Bytram> positively *balmy* for this time of year and night!
[02:28:15] <Bytram> thanks, exec_
[02:28:19] <Bytram> np
[02:28:21] <Bytram> laters
[02:28:23] <Bytram> afk
[02:28:25] <cmn32480> cya bytram
[02:29:32] <cmn32480> notepad++
[02:29:32] <Bender> karma - notepad: 1
[02:29:40] <cmn32480> notepad++++
[02:29:44] <cmn32480> hmmmm
[02:29:56] * cmn32480 wonders how that shoudl work
[02:30:11] <chromas> (notepad++)++
[02:30:11] <Bender> karma - (notepad++): 1
[02:30:17] <chromas> [] too
[02:30:22] <cmn32480> fair 'nuff
[02:33:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Who Owns Space? USA's Asteroid-Mining Act is Dangerous and Potentially Illegal - http://sylnt.us - space-mining
[02:33:44] <Hazuki> ~weather madison, wi
[02:33:46] <exec_> 10Madison, WI, USA - currently 43°F / 6°C, light rain showers, wind NW at 12 mph, humidity 97% - Thursday rain (31°F:53°F / -1°C:12°C), Friday cloudy (24°F:35°F / -4°C:2°C), Saturday partly cloudy (23°F:37°F / -5°C:3°C), Sunday sunny (27°F:41°F / -3°C:5°C)
[02:33:55] <Hazuki> it's really warm here for late november
[02:34:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> globalwarming++
[02:34:33] <Bender> karma - globalwarming: 1
[02:34:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> cold--
[02:34:37] <Bender> karma - cold: -2
[02:35:12] <cmn32480> here too
[02:35:16] <cmn32480> ~weather baltimore
[02:35:17] <exec_> 10Baltimore, MD, USA - currently 51°F / 11°C, partly cloudy, wind N at 0 mph, humidity 80% - Thursday clear with periodic clouds (44°F:60°F / 7°C:16°C), Friday partly cloudy (49°F:64°F / 9°C:18°C), Saturday mostly cloudy (48°F:61°F / 9°C:16°C), Sunday scattered showers (40°F:53°F / 4°C:12°C)
[02:35:41] <Hazuki> warm winters are fine with me. it's extra-hot summers that worry me. the US needs to change its crop ratio and fast. we need to start growing teff, black fonio, and tepary beans
[02:36:32] <cmn32480> care to explain?
[02:36:42] <cmn32480> pleae
[02:37:14] <Hazuki> drought. i'm worried the breadbasket is going to dry up
[02:37:22] <cmn32480> ahhhh
[02:37:23] <cmn32480> gotcha
[02:37:55] <Hazuki> fonio and teff are grown in semi-arid parts of Africa. teff bread ("injera") even stays nice and soft :) and tepary beans are native to the southwest US IIRC
[02:38:40] <Hazuki> hm, wikipedia says tepary beans can even grow in places with only about 400mm/a of rain
[02:39:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> southwest just got their drout broken in a big big way this year. wouldn't sweat it for a few more yet.
[02:40:28] <Hazuki> thank goodness. i'm agnostic as to how much of this is anthropogenic (and i have an earth science degree!) but at this point it hardly matters
[02:41:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. we're due an ice age shortly anyway so i'm not overly concerned.
[02:42:43] <chromas> ice 5: the letdown
[02:42:47] <chromas> ice age 5: the letdown
[02:43:06] <Hazuki> with the geopolitical problems we're having we may not live to see it. the thing that just KILLS me is that a lot of what the "alarmists" are saying to do is just good statecraft
[02:43:12] <Hazuki> like energy independence
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[02:43:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[02:44:03] <Hazuki> we ought to be all up on leading-edge fission research. travelling-wave, molten salt if we can figure out how to stop the corrosion, and huge-assed thermal storage solar
[02:44:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> i just dislike their "the sky is falling and it's all your fault" bs
[02:44:38] <JamesNZ> The sky is falling and it is all your fault TheMightyBuzzard.
[02:44:48] <Hazuki> they're right about that, just for the wrong reasons :v this Daesh crap is the karmic backlash of 100+ years of Anglo meddling in the ME
[02:45:03] <cmn32480> ~part
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[02:45:12] <Hazuki> we should have walled the region off and let them destroy themselves ages ago.
[02:45:21] <cmn32480> it isn't too late!
[02:45:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're more interested in destroying us. i mean it's a freaking commandment from their god.
[02:46:08] <Hazuki> funny, since it's the same God the Christians worship...weird how that works out
[02:46:16] <chromas> thou shalt not boil a baby goat in its mother's milk
[02:46:24] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[02:46:52] <Hazuki> i'm no atheist but i think it's very obvious that if Yahweh exists at all he's either an evil alien or a "demon," whatever that turns out to be
[02:46:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> with the addition of a pedophile, rapist, murderer as their primary prophet, yeah.
[02:47:50] <chromas> even jesus wanted the children to come unto him
[02:48:03] <Hazuki> not like that :v
[02:48:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh dude, that's just wrong. funny but wrong.
[02:48:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas+-
[02:49:42] <chromas> the cool thing about christianity is they get to ignore all the bad parts of their book; taking virgin girls for sex slaves, eating babies and whatnot
[02:50:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> most of the book's just history not "this is how we do it"
[02:50:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> #youtube this is how we do it
[02:50:49] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[02:50:53] <Hazuki> chromas: except Mt. 5:17-20 says to keep the entirety of the Mosaic law
[02:51:07] <chromas> "times were different back than. if it's right then it's fact; if it's wrong then it's metaphorical"
[02:51:16] <chromas> s/a/e/2
[02:51:16] <sedctl> <chromas> "times were different back then. if it's right then it's fact; if it's wrong then it's metaphorical"
[02:51:42] <Hazuki> lol, i love that. those very same people will say that and in the next step bitch at anyone who doesn't "read it right"
[02:51:43] <chromas> yeah but just ignore that part
[02:51:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> beats taking everything literally. snakes n apples n shit
[02:52:20] <chromas> or taking any of it literally
[02:52:40] <cmn32480> the sad reality tof thigns is that Western Civilization does not, currently, have the stomach for a kill or be killed conflict
[02:52:43] <chromas> the old testament is anti-semitic
[02:53:13] <cmn32480> George Carlin was right
[02:53:15] <cmn32480> https://www.youtube.com
[02:53:17] <timecube> ^ 03George Carlin - Pussification - YouTube
[02:53:17] <Hazuki> cmn32480: yeah, but there are a few nuts in charge who are calling for one
[02:53:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's two verses in the thing that sum the entirety of it up. the "love god above all" and "love your neighbor as yourself" ones. anything that can't be tied to one of those, you're reading wrong.
[02:53:41] <chromas> oh whoops; I forgot
[02:54:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> the shortened version: don't be a dick
[02:54:20] * chromas takes pleasure in dashing children's heads against stones
[02:55:21] <Hazuki> TheMightyBuzzard: that's not it. The shortened version is "don't be a dick, because Yahweh is the ultimate dick and will torture you forever if you piss him off"
[02:55:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> only if you're catholic
[02:55:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> cathaholic?
[02:55:55] <chromas> catheter
[02:56:00] <Hazuki> uh...ever since Justinian convened that synod in the mid-6th century, eternal torture has been dogma
[02:56:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> cathmandu
[02:56:36] <Hazuki> neeeeeever mind that everyone from Origen to Gregory Nazianzen to Theodore of Mopsuestia to Gregory of Nyssa to...well, anyone who could read Koine was a Universalist :v
[02:56:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> #youtube kathmandu bob seger
[02:56:48] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[02:56:57] <chromas> I'd kind of like to be bald so I could summon she bears to maul children
[02:57:56] <Hazuki> and the word IS children, little children. some shitstain apologist tried to argue that it means "youths," so it could have been biiiiiiig scary teenagers but nope
[02:58:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> dogma, yeah dogma's always fun
[02:59:10] <chromas> but I wonder what kept all the kids from running away while the bears were busy with the others
[02:59:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> dogma generally has nothing to do with what's written and everything to do with power/control
[02:59:37] <chromas> I think they just weren't that great at storytelling
[02:59:44] <chromas> much like sports
[03:00:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> should have hired some greek ringers.
[03:00:49] <chromas> hmm, the number of bad guys their armies killed were inversely proportional to the what the world population shoudl've been
[03:01:47] <Hazuki> Judges 1:19 pretty much says Yahweh couldn't stand up to a reasonably modern army :v
[03:02:02] <chromas> tens of thousands in the beginning, but then later on, as the stories got closer to when they were written and could be remembered, they were down into the thousands and hundreds
[03:02:25] * chromas hops into an iron chariot
[03:02:26] <Hazuki> "And the Lord is with Judah, and he driveth out the inhabitants of the mountains, but the inhabitants of the plains he driveth out now, for they have chariots of iron"
[03:02:34] <Hazuki> out not* even
[03:02:54] <chromas> obviously, since that wouldn't make sense, it's just an allegory
[03:03:04] <Hazuki> for what? =P
[03:03:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> delorians
[03:03:13] <Hazuki> (I got a Calvinist fuming mad at me for asking that)
[03:03:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> obviously
[03:03:23] <chromas> like, it means yhwh can't enter our hearts if we bar him out
[03:03:44] <chromas> or something. Saw it on youtube
[03:03:54] <Hazuki> ...the omniscient, omnipotent, eternal, time-transcendent, absolutely-soveriegn God can't do something?
[03:04:07] <chromas> youtube was big for atheism a few years ago. Tons of vidyas
[03:04:25] <chromas> well, he can't change his mind or regret things, except when he did
[03:04:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> atheism is as bloody silly as any religion. simple logic says if you're going to believe something on faith, it should be one of the ones that say believe in me or be fucked.
[03:05:16] <chromas> speaking of delorians, umm, did Biff ever get in trouble for assaulting and attempting to rape Marty's mom in 1955?
[03:05:42] <Hazuki> TheMightyBuzzard: Pascal's Wager, really?
[03:05:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly not. times was simpler back then, an ass kicking was sufficient.
[03:06:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> Hazuki, basically. atheism is a bloody stupid thing to take on faith. it requires proving.
[03:06:33] <chromas> well, while loudmouth atheists seem to be religious, atheism is lack of theism
[03:06:36] <Hazuki> how do you prove a universal negative?
[03:06:40] <chromas> you know, no true scottsman
[03:06:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> Hazuki, this = not my problem but theirs.
[03:07:18] <Hazuki> as far as I know most of them are agnostic about it, in the sense that they don't claim 100% certainty
[03:07:26] <Hazuki> this is just honest epistemology if you ask me
[03:07:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm not a theist, i'm not an atheist. i'm a libertarian.
[03:07:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> so, assuming there is a god, he can get bent cause i'm not bowing.
[03:08:13] <chromas> if you're not a theist, you're automatically an atheist :D
[03:08:40] <chromas> like if you don't have sex, then you're asexual
[03:08:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i just don't think about it unless people say bloody silly things.
[03:08:50] <chromas> you don't have to think about it
[03:08:53] <chromas> atheism is default
[03:09:00] <Hazuki> theism/atheism and gnosticism/agnosticism are perpendicular axes
[03:09:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, somewhat but not really
[03:09:32] <Hazuki> (and really, anyone on either side of the theist/atheist debate who claims gnosticism about this, at least in the general sense, is fulla beans)
[03:09:38] <Bytram> http://www.itworld.com
[03:09:39] <timecube> ^ 03Microsoft zaps dodgy Dell digital certificates | ITworld ( http://www.itworld.com )
[03:10:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. you can't really know shit without proof. whatever you believe has to be a matter of faith.
[03:10:10] <chromas> babies don't know about jesus (suprisingly; at least I haven't heard about Mormons going vagina-to-vagina)
[03:10:40] <Hazuki> lolmormons
[03:11:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> only thing chapping me lately is the people ripping christianity on one hand and defending islam on the other.
[03:11:23] <chromas> sounds like SJWs
[03:11:39] <Hazuki> idiots
[03:11:42] <chromas> oh yeah, they had that atheism+ shit
[03:11:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> one actually is a religion of peace nowadays and the other has PLENTY of violent, radical fuckwads.
[03:11:50] <chromas> atheism + SJW
[03:12:07] <Hazuki> christianity isn't a religion of peace. not in the least. most of its adherents are just really really shitty christians
[03:12:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> Hazuki, it is nowadays. yes.
[03:12:35] <chromas> a small subset of christians want to dumb our kids down
[03:12:46] * chromas points at the creation museum
[03:12:49] <Hazuki> people like Rushdoony and Huckabee and the late Phelps Sr. are true christians. They sound exactly like Daesh. This is not a coincidence
[03:13:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> how often do you hear pulpit calls for slaughtering infidels from pastors?
[03:13:31] <Hazuki> rarely. Mars Hill and WBC get close though
[03:13:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> anything as close as ISIS does?
[03:14:16] <Hazuki> they don't have the physical force...yet
[03:14:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> because their leader has a bloody phd in islamic studies.
[03:14:20] <Hazuki> listen to Scott Lively sometime
[03:14:22] <chromas> SN should become a church. It's much easier to get tax-exempt status that way than an npo
[03:14:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, not a bad idea.
[03:14:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> could take donations then too.
[03:14:55] <chromas> you pretty much just have to file a paper saying we have occasional gatherings and stuff
[03:15:06] <Hazuki> i have heard enough threats along the lines of "i'll rape you straight" and "i'll kill you and you and your fucking dyke girlfriend can burn in hell" not to buy the "christians are nonviolent" thing
[03:15:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> one or two churches aside, the vast majority preach peace.
[03:15:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> this is not the case for islam.
[03:15:58] <Hazuki> the truth is that there are a LOT of people in the South and other poor parts of the US who would LOVE to go on a violent killing spree. We just don't have the equivalent of Daesh's leadership here. Yet.
[03:16:02] <chromas> Kidnapped for Christ
[03:16:08] <chromas> #find Kidnapped for Christ
[03:16:10] <MrPlow> http://www.kidnappedforchrist.com
[03:16:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> Hazuki, i'm one of them.
[03:16:28] <Hazuki> but you wouldn't do it for religious reasons, right?
[03:16:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, close enough. libertarian again. DC needs to burn.
[03:17:15] <Hazuki> specific people in DC need to burn
[03:17:18] <Hazuki> let's be rational here
[03:17:57] <chromas> anyone who could possibly make it into office
[03:18:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> fair nuff. average joe can go on about his business but every elected official and bureaucrat need to either abdicate or line up against the wall.
[03:18:40] <Hazuki> you really think Warren and Sanders are the same kind of amorphous, skin-suited evil as, say, Dick Cheney?
[03:18:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think they're far worse
[03:19:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> cheney doesn't want to oppress me, just rob me.
[03:19:10] <Hazuki> oh, right, "libertarian." I forgot
[03:19:34] <chromas> I think we need to get crutchy and Gravis in on this ;)
[03:19:45] <chromas> and poutine
[03:19:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> read libertarian as what liberal used to mean before it got infected by progressives and progressives became regressive
[03:20:08] <Hazuki> can I quote you on this, Buzzard? saying Liz Warren is more evil than Dick Cheney?
[03:20:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> sured
[03:20:41] <Hazuki> because...jesus pogo-sticking Christ, that is some spreading, bubbling, corrosive, negative-photon-reading evil there
[03:20:56] <Hazuki> are you actually a libertarian or are you a psychopath?
[03:21:14] <chromas> well, he's an arch user, so
[03:21:19] <Hazuki> so am I >>;
[03:21:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> how ya figure? cheney never once tried to take away my right to do anything cept have privacy.
[03:21:22] <chromas> :D
[03:21:31] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[03:21:47] <Bytram|away> I'm off to see to the maddening throngs. wish me luck!
[03:22:00] <chromas> see ya! wear some armor
[03:22:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> progressives want to get rid of several amendments
[03:22:02] <Bytram|away> prolly won't be back until late friday, if then.
[03:22:06] <Hazuki> Buzzard, jesus christ...Cheney is a war profiteer and he and his buddies are largely responsible for starting Vietnam II in the Middle East. His and his cronies' actions will cost millions of lives for decades to come
[03:22:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, adios Bytram|away
[03:22:17] <Bytram|away> merci!
[03:22:34] <Hazuki> what the hell is it with "libertarians" not being able to see beyond their own short-term interests?!
[03:23:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> what's with progressives reading any possible evil into every conservative ever?
[03:23:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's hysteria man, that ain't sanity.
[03:23:35] <Hazuki> I'm not a progressive, at least not as the term seems to be used today
[03:23:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by stupidity
[03:24:09] <Hazuki> Buzzard, past a certain point, stupidity IS malice, especially when it's willful. Hanlon's Razor loses its edge when it comes to things like starting a war on false pretenses
[03:24:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> what false pretenses?
[03:24:56] * TheMightyBuzzard waits for the we did it for oil nonsense
[03:25:07] <Hazuki> the 11 September bombings. iraq had zero to do with this. the hijackers were saudis
[03:25:18] <Hazuki> you know, our allies? our best buddies
[03:25:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> and? nobody ever said iraq was about sep 11
[03:25:41] <Hazuki> ...were you not paying attention to the mainstream news outlets or something?
[03:25:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, i absolutely was because i was still on inactive ready reserves.
[03:26:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> and nobody but a few talking heads even tried to tie it to sept 11
[03:26:32] <Hazuki> well somehow most of the country's low-information contingent seems to think so
[03:27:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, gotta remember that 49% of the population are of below average intelligence.
[03:27:10] <Hazuki> believe me, i am reminded of it every day
[03:27:37] <Hazuki> and i suspect the graph of intelligence has a very long right skew ><
[03:27:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp
[03:27:47] <chromas> http://www.peopleofwalmart.com
[03:27:48] <timecube> ^ 03#BlackFridayBritches - People Of Walmart : People Of Walmart
[03:28:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> last i checked reps beat dems by like 2 iq points and libertarians beat reps by like 7
[03:28:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> so not really any significant difference
[03:28:45] <Hazuki> ...do you know what right skew means?
[03:29:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, i know what skew means.
[03:29:23] <Hazuki> on a unimodal distribution it means the peak is toward the lower end, i.e., the mode and median are below the numerical average
[03:29:56] * TheMightyBuzzard sighs
[03:30:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> you haven't looked at an iq testing distribution curve in a while then.
[03:30:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a proper bell curve. put a clapper in it and you could ring it for dinner.
[03:30:56] <chromas> [the conversation slowly steers back toward statistics, then programming and regex]
[03:31:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> $self->kick($chromas);
[03:31:28] <Hazuki> all that says is that IQ specifically is set up to be this way. IQ does not measure general intelligence. Mine is pushing 150 but in terms of art, music, and kinesthetics i am stupid as hell
[03:32:03] <Hazuki> cannot draw, am horribly deaf, and while faster than i should be at this size am not especially graceful
[03:32:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> IQ measures the ability to learn, not knowledge. which works out since intelligence is about being able to learn not what you already know.
[03:32:32] <Hazuki> IQ measures the ability to take IQ tests =P
[03:32:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> but yeah, 160ish here and tone deaf/can't draw a straight line.
[03:33:05] <Hazuki> well, INT and WIS are separate dice
[03:33:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> zactly
[03:33:17] * chromas is over 9,000. I took an internet test :)
[03:33:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, that wasn't a test that was an episode of DBZ
[03:33:46] <Hazuki> thatsthejoke.svg
[03:33:58] <chromas> http://www.quickmeme.com
[03:34:04] <chromas> are beiber jokes still relevant?
[03:34:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, this is chromas. he legitimately thought vegeta was talking to him.
[03:34:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Samsung Mass Produces 128 GB DDR4 Server Memory - http://sylnt.us - waiting-for-the-128-GB-ewe
[03:34:54] <Hazuki> wow...
[03:34:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> you gotta correct him when reality and fantasy start getting mixed up. helps if you have some dried frog pills too.
[03:37:24] * TheMightyBuzzard flips his motherboard the bird for only handling 16GB
[03:37:26] <chromas> conversation -> destroyed
[03:37:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> well yeah. i think everyone just got geek wood at 128GB sticks of ram.
[03:38:17] <Hazuki> oh bugger i'm still stuck on a thinkpad t500. do not complain about "only" 16GiB of memory
[03:38:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> ouch, laptop
[03:38:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> laptops--
[03:38:44] <Bender> karma - laptops: -1
[03:39:00] <Hazuki> i love latops. but i really wish I had money for a new one
[03:39:03] <chromas> you need one with two hdd slots, so you can put in an ssd for swap
[03:39:09] <Hazuki> ...what
[03:39:23] <Hazuki> for the love of Cthulu's scaly green asshole, WHY would someone do that?
[03:39:34] <chromas> because it's faster than spinny disks
[03:39:56] <Hazuki> i actually have a samsung 830 in here
[03:39:56] <chromas> and you don't have enough ram
[03:39:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> i need six hdd slots, a real keyboard, a real monitor or two, and a mouse
[03:40:58] <chromas> Do you have a multi-disk volume in there?
[03:41:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> laptop's fine if you just wanna check email but if you gotta type you can't beat a real keyboard. with buckling springs or cherry green switches.
[03:41:21] <chromas> Mine won't get mounted by systemd. It just sits there, so I have to tell it to skip and manually mount it later
[03:41:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, nah, i just add another disk and mount it somewhere when i need more space.
[03:41:26] <Hazuki> lenovo used to make them. this t500 has an amazing keyboard
[03:41:36] <Hazuki> ever since the *30 series though...
[03:42:08] <Hazuki> ahhh, someone paypal me $2000 for a top of the line system76 machine~ *flails*
[03:42:10] <chromas> You just need a Surface Pro
[03:42:30] <Hazuki> i got two words for the Surface line and they ain't "happy birthday"
[03:42:52] <chromas> the pros are x86 with unlocked bootloaders
[03:43:09] <chromas> I think they have fans too
[03:43:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> could be worse. at least microsoft keeps updating surface devices which is more than can be said for android devices.
[03:43:33] * TheMightyBuzzard glares at his phone
[03:43:56] <Hazuki> everything's fucking monetized and backdoor'd now that's the awful part
[03:43:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> thing's riddled with security holes and HTC will not update it.
[03:44:16] <cmn32480> I think I got MySQL working
[03:44:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> yays
[03:44:30] <chromas> you could put a custom OS on it at the risk of the radio or something not working
[03:44:44] <cmn32480> cyanogenmod, might be an option
[03:45:00] <Hazuki> it is. i have it on my old photon q
[03:45:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, not worth bricking it for what i use it for.
[03:45:07] * chromas checks for a recent OS for his pocket box
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[03:45:33] <chromas> I don't think you can really brick them anymore just by changing the os
[03:45:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> texts n phone calls n emergency internet connection
[03:45:41] <cmn32480> anybody remember WHY I wanted to get the mysql working?
[03:45:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can this one
[03:45:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, no. does exec use it?
[03:45:54] <chromas> exec loves the mysql
[03:46:03] <cmn32480> me thinks he does
[03:46:15] <chromas> it's used for the comments feed at least
[03:46:17] <cmn32480> crutchy had some good scripts written
[03:46:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> crazy. that's too much database for a bot.
[03:46:29] <chromas> too much? or not enough?
[03:46:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> sqlite is the most a bot should need.
[03:46:35] <cmn32480> exec is, apparently, quite the mans bot
[03:46:40] * chromas rolled his own db for his bot
[03:47:11] <cmn32480> sorry, I read that as rolled his own doobie for his bot
[03:47:20] <chromas> it waimpli
[03:47:22] <chromas> wtf
[03:47:25] <chromas> it was implied
[03:48:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, past my bedtime
[03:48:07] <chromas> =stats
[03:48:07] <timecube> 29 hives, holding 224480628 bytes in 5069 cells (with 3690 bytes overhead)
[03:48:15] <Hazuki> who's making you go to bed?
[03:48:28] <Hazuki> you're a libertarian. tell them "fuck you i won't do what you tell me"
[03:48:35] -!- brainacid [brainacid!~3299307e@50.153.gx.rzs] has joined #Soylent
[03:48:43] <chromas> it's his dark passenger
[03:50:00] <brainacid> kk
[03:50:09] <brainacid> 8)
[03:53:06] <cmn32480> is it wrong that I want this for me and not the kids? http://www.toysrus.com
[03:53:07] <timecube> ^ 03LEGO Star Wars AT-AT (75054) - LEGO - Toys "R" Us ( StackLocation=slc2prd;path=/; )
[03:53:44] <chromas> legos are awesome. The kids can have them when you've worn them out
[03:53:55] <cmn32480> they have all the ones I had as a kid.
[03:54:17] <cmn32480> all 20-30 years old and still going strong
[03:56:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> Hazuki, just my routine. i code best around 5-10am
[03:57:06] <chromas> you could do the inverse uberman cycle
[03:57:20] <chromas> awake for an hour and back to sleep, several times a day
[03:57:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> but a parting though. to libertarians Sanders is a less preferable candidate than if the head of ISIS were running. not hyperbole. ISIS only wants to kill us, Sanders wants our liberty.
[03:58:08] <Hazuki> yeah, i know. i've talked to some of you before. you're all batshit insane.
[03:58:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> come by it honest. that patrick henery guy.
[03:58:53] <Hazuki> somehow you think in your libertarian paradise you'd be one of the elite. you have no idea what kind of horrible fate awaits you
[03:59:16] <chromas> that's what the stash of bullets is for
[03:59:17] <Hazuki> if the libertarians actually controlled this place we'd look like something out of Dickens' nightmares
[03:59:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> we don't want paradise, that's you lot. we want to be left alone to make our own way as best we can.
[04:00:06] <Hazuki> humans don't work that way you know...
[04:00:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> Sanders though, he wants our right to say hurtful things. he wants our right to do as we see fit with our cash. and he wants our right to protect our rights.
[04:01:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> he's a socialist and socialism cannot exist on a national scale unless you force it on people at gunpoint.
[04:01:33] <Hazuki> ...i don't think we're talking about the same man here. Sanders is a social democrat really
[04:01:52] <Hazuki> he walks a very Eisenhower-ish path really, a sort of economic Middle Way
[04:02:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> dude, he calls himself a socialist. i'm inclined to believe him.
[04:02:27] <Hazuki> In the sense that the Danes are, yes, he is
[04:02:40] <Hazuki> and look what a hellhole all the Nordic countriOH WAIT
[04:02:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> you mean how they're slowly collapsing? i have looked.
[04:03:08] <Hazuki> face it, Buzzard, unchecked capitalism and unchecked communism do not work. a stable system is one that incorporates the best of each
[04:03:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's socially unacceptable to even take pride in your accomplishments there.
[04:03:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> there is no best of communism.
[04:03:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> there is not one good point of it.
[04:03:54] <Hazuki> so you don't think that something akin to the Australia project in manna is somewhere you'd want to live?
[04:03:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> making everybody equally poor is not a good thing.
[04:04:05] <Hazuki> all of these "-isms" are responses to scarcity
[04:04:14] <Hazuki> ...in many cases artificial scarcity
[04:04:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> no. oz is far too totalitarian for me.
[04:04:26] <Hazuki> you never read Manna did you?
[04:04:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp
[04:04:49] <Hazuki> please do. it has implications for the kind of technology that's taking over
[04:05:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> you talking self-replicating maker bots and the like? cause i've already heard that line from Gravis.
[04:05:59] <Hazuki> so long as it was truly self-sustaining, yes. there is no reason for this fight to go on over scarcity when we are post-scarcity
[04:06:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> sounds nice for them that want it but if it's not voluntary it's still slavery.
[04:06:23] <Hazuki> well, if you want you can live outside the system. i'd certainly give people that option if i were in charge
[04:06:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is cool enough for me
[04:06:55] <Hazuki> don't come to us when you're dying of pellagra after "going Galt" though :v
[04:07:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> no worries. we'll have the better everything anyway. capitalism always does.
[04:07:36] <Hazuki> when properly regulated, yes. again, this is in the scarcity paradigm
[04:07:57] <Hazuki> we cannot tackle 21s century technology with 19th century thinking
[04:08:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh no disagreement there. i'm not a monopolistic, cronyistic, buy yourself a senator type.
[04:08:46] <Hazuki> but your party sure as shit gets played by them!
[04:08:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> competition needs not only be encouraged but demanded unless you want to be regulated up to your ears.
[04:09:23] * chromas regulates with fiber
[04:09:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> Hazuki, nah, we only vote R because we have no third choice.
[04:09:41] <Hazuki> this is the essential disagreement between the BSD and GPL camps, really. The BSDers seem to think that the number of rules is directly proportional to freedom, while the GNU types understand that what the rules say is more important
[04:09:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> and they're less objectionable
[04:10:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> personally, i'm glad it's up to the creator.
[04:10:45] <Hazuki> me too, but again...different tools for different cases. the zealots want theirs to be the ONLY one
[04:10:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> i generally release stuff as beerware if i'm going foss.
[04:11:03] <Hazuki> i remember laughing my ass off as de Raadt's buttpained whining over corporate use of OpenSSH
[04:12:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> then again i also keep the source to myself on stuff i code for contract. or license it to them under a no-distribution license.
[04:13:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway. nite.
[04:13:12] <Hazuki> the point here is, without things explicitly stopping this from happening, power and privilege and wealth will concentrate to the point that the "minimal rules" system acquires an impossible barrier to entry
[04:13:29] <Hazuki> this is what "libertarians" don't get
[04:14:00] <Hazuki> it's such a shortsighted, selfish, stunted philosophy
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[04:18:11] <brainacid> the system will collapse within the next 20 years, the new gen of ppl will create software the will connect each of us in a system with vast more capbility and value than the current old system
[04:18:29] <brainacid> just of matter of time
[04:19:49] <Hazuki> i don't understand the libertarian horror of helping others. this is like talking to an alien. what does he think the purpose of economic activity is anyway?
[04:20:34] <Hazuki> there is an implicit assumption here that this is a zero sum game or worse it seems
[04:21:09] <Hazuki> and, okay, according to entropy it is. but we're not so close to the edge of thermodynamics that that's a concern for us, at least not with what we can do with our technology now
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[06:26:27] <crutchy> <ciri> crutchy: Check yo spreadsheet biatch cos ima castle you with my wagons full of money, i'd suggest that you don't have to take a shit on port 80.
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[11:17:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:17:39] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1918
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[14:20:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm...
[14:21:24] <cmn32480> always buzzard
[14:21:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> not really a good coding day but i'm trying to push through anyhows.
[14:23:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, cmn32480
[14:23:33] * cmn32480 gives TheMightyBuzzard a gentle shove
[14:32:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, giving up. not able to pull proper logic outa my brain.
[14:35:17] * cmn32480 gets a q-Tip to clear the path
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[14:45:36] <cmn32480> coffee++
[14:45:36] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1919
[14:46:57] <cmn32480> $tell crutchy cmn32480@soylentnews.org
[14:46:57] <aqu4> I'll tell them in a PM next time I see 'em.
[14:50:06] <cmn32480> $tell crutchy I'm making really good progress. this bot has given me a project to learn a lot of things and get more familiar with linux as a whole. I'm pretty much a total noob. Thank you for letting me play. I really appreciate it.
[14:50:06] <aqu4> I'll tell them in a PM next time I see 'em.
[15:26:51] <Gravis> news monkeys, a correction is needed here: https://soylentnews.org - "the new Raspberry Pi Zero an over clocked, updated, smaller version of the original Raspberry Pi." <-- it's not overclocked, it's just faster. overclocked means that it is going beyond it's rated processor speed, which it is NOT.
[15:26:52] <timecube> ^ 03SN article:  Raspberry Pi's Latest Computer Costs Just $5 04(4 comments)
[15:29:22] <Gravis> "Also beware of the P&P from various retailers, a £4 Pi Zero with triple the carriage." <-- wtf is P&P and is tripple the carriage a reference to memory capacity?
[15:30:04] <AndyTheAbsurd> I'm gonna assuming it's the British equivalent to "Shipping & Handling" here in the US
[15:30:17] <AndyTheAbsurd> maybe "packaging & post"?
[15:30:55] <Gravis> and why the hell is there a link to wikipedia for "baker's dozen"?
[15:31:14] <Gravis> someone, please deturd the summary.
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[15:53:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> summary deturded
[15:53:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> you gotta live with the wikipedia links though
[15:58:21] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: it still reads that it's "over clocked" which it is not.
[15:58:30] <Gravis> it's just faster
[15:58:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> caching because of varnish. that'll change soon.
[15:59:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> the british idiom shipping and handling i'm also leaving in too. we're not a us-only site so whoever writes the article gets to use their idiom.
[16:03:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, looks like me and azrael were editing it at the same time. had to do it a second time.
[16:03:27] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[16:05:38] <Azrael> TheMightyBuzzard: sorry!!
[16:05:59] <cmn32480> welcome back azrael!
[16:05:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, my bad. i didn't see you was editing it too.
[16:06:13] * Azrael runs and hides
[16:06:20] <cmn32480> NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
[16:06:42] * cmn32480 drags Azrael back to the conversation
[16:09:37] * Gravis detonates to send the infidel news monkeys to hell
[16:09:39] <Gravis> :P
[16:11:10] <Popeidol> This is probably the right crowd to ask
[16:11:16] <Gravis> what kills me is that the link to baker's dozen isn't even proper
[16:11:31] * cmn32480 hands gravis a tissue
[16:11:46] <Popeidol> Just swapped to a new 20mb/20mb fibre link at work, but because of terrible australian internet it's been tricky to fully test out the uplink
[16:11:59] <Gravis> cmn32480: finally someone who cares about my first world problems!
[16:12:25] <cmn32480> hush... Popeidol has the talking stick
[16:12:44] <Gravis> lulz. you watch z nation?
[16:13:06] <Popeidol> what can I throw on there to test it out properly?
[16:13:20] <cmn32480> no... but that has been a joke on MANY sitcoms and cartoon
[16:13:21] <Popeidol> Anything legal is fine, which counts out almost everything that would push the casual-use-20mb limit
[16:13:32] <cmn32480> DVD ISO
[16:13:42] <Gravis> cmn32480: touche
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[16:14:24] <Gravis> Popeidol: put a cat on it. if it holds, it's good.
[16:14:48] <Popeidol> I tried, but it's mounted too closely to the switch above ot
[16:14:56] <Popeidol> oh wait you meant hosting
[16:15:04] <cmn32480> or are you looking for a place to upload TO?
[16:16:33] <Popeidol> uploading to a specific place is tricky because the fewer places you're uploading to, the more unknown throttling rules come into play
[16:17:14] <cmn32480> agreed
[16:17:42] <Popeidol> my ISP seems fine for local traffic but I very little is hosted locally, it almost always involves piping it to singapore or sydney at a minimum
[16:18:01] <Popeidol> torrenting would be a great test but I cant find anything legal in such high demand I could push it
[16:18:54] <cmn32480> you trying to stress the link, or just make sure you are getting the 20mb you are paying for?
[16:19:09] <Popeidol> primarily making sure it can actually do 20mb.
[16:19:21] <cmn32480> a standard speedtest shodl work
[16:19:35] <cmn32480> I'm US based, but use speedtest.net
[16:19:45] <Popeidol> that gets me to 10mb
[16:20:06] <cmn32480> so you need to see if you can push beyond the 10mb.
[16:20:21] <Popeidol> that's the idea, yeah
[16:20:33] <cmn32480> ftp an iso file. that ought to give you big numbers
[16:20:36] <Popeidol> but again, local servers are pretty limited here
[16:20:51] <cmn32480> how far are you looing to push theis file?
[16:21:14] <Popeidol> I'll push it to the office next door if it demonstrates we get 20mb uplink if we need it
[16:21:57] <cmn32480> checking my speed to melbourne
[16:22:27] <cmn32480> almost 20
[16:22:34] <Popeidol> up or down?
[16:22:39] <cmn32480> down
[16:22:48] <cmn32480> 4up
[16:23:01] <Popeidol> is that what you'd expect?
[16:23:13] <cmn32480> across the world? yeah
[16:23:24] <cmn32480> inside the US, I get 25x25 most of the time
[16:24:35] <Popeidol> 25x25?
[16:24:51] <cmn32480> 25down 25 up
[16:25:06] <cmn32480> but I'm at home
[16:25:10] <cmn32480> work is weird
[16:25:11] <Popeidol> haha, just wondering if it was a typo
[16:25:22] <cmn32480> work is 50x10
[16:25:26] <Popeidol> 25x5 would match the speeds attained pretty well
[16:25:52] <cmn32480> my fiber at the house is 'supposed to be' 25x25
[16:25:56] <Popeidol> The trouble is I can't rely 100% on the speedtest servers here, and all the other sites it's connecting to are substantially slower
[16:26:50] <cmn32480> pm?
[16:27:11] <Popeidol> sure
[16:27:27] <Gravis> Popeidol: kernel.org
[16:29:02] <cmn32480> how precisely does that test the upload Gravis?
[16:29:39] <Gravis> cmn32480: oh, you just put your computer in reverse after you finish downloading. ;)
[16:30:06] <cmn32480> mine beeps loud when I do that... no thanks!
[16:30:54] <Gravis> cmn32480: disconnect the PC speaker!
[16:31:04] <Gravis> cmn32480: there should be a bios option to disable it
[16:33:35] <Gravis> but which idiot thought that a "lock" on a computer was a smart idea. i mean, it's literally a key activated switch that plugs into a jumper!
[16:34:38] <cmn32480> for 99% of the world, it is enough to keep them out
[16:36:09] <Gravis> so you are saying the world is full of retards?
[16:36:41] <cmn32480> yup
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[16:37:30] <Gravis> do... what would happen if the smartest 1% of people left the planet?
[16:37:34] <Gravis> so*
[16:38:21] <alexbst> this is like that telephone sanitizer problem
[16:38:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> business as usual, just less new things.
[16:38:43] <Gravis> alexbst: telephone sanitizer?
[16:38:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> hhgttg
[16:38:58] <Popeidol> Gravis, it's okay. we put them on a starship.
[16:39:22] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: what is "hhgttg"?
[16:39:31] <alexbst> hitch hikers guide to the galaxy
[16:39:39] <alexbst> books by douglas adams..
[16:39:48] <Gravis> /facepalm
[16:40:03] <alexbst> deservedly
[16:40:09] <alexbst> here let me help you
[16:40:12] <alexbst> you're out of hands
[16:40:18] * cmn32480 offers to repeat the manuever for Gravis... repeatedly
[16:44:27] <Gravis> cmn32480: only if i can get a coupon to redeem later.
[16:45:26] <Gravis> because i would sell it. oh internets, you have all sorts of weirdos
[16:53:05] <takyon> is this a hypothetical or a proposal
[16:53:50] <cmn32480> if they were to pay travel expenses... I'd think about it
[17:01:26] <alexbst> so today I attended the orchestration, at abbey road, of some computer game music
[17:01:33] <alexbst> 40 piece orchestra ;)
[17:01:51] <alexbst> was fricking awesome
[17:09:43] <takyon> nice
[17:09:45] <takyon> where
[17:10:43] <takyon> http://www.tomshardware.com
[17:10:44] <timecube> ^ 03About The Siam 7x, A Dark Horse Dual-Screen Smartphone From Out Of Nowhere
[17:12:58] <takyon> what is texas instruments main competitor in graphing calcs
[17:17:23] <takyon> Casio Prizm?
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[18:00:37] <AndyTheAbsurd> TI has no competitor in graphing calculators. The schools all use the TI-8x series, so that's the de facto standard. For anything outside of schoolwork, you might as well use a real computer.
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[18:20:02] <takyon> right
[18:20:31] <takyon> there's some Casio and HP graphing calculators too
[18:20:41] <takyon> but the market share must be pretty low
[18:21:12] <AndyTheAbsurd> the people that I used to know who were into that sort of thing liked the HP 48G+
[18:21:20] <AndyTheAbsurd> but that was 17-ish years ago
[18:22:24] <takyon> good thing TI has put out the TI-84+ color edition, for color gaming on the calculator
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[19:28:06] <cmn32480|away> AndyTheAbsurd - I still ahve one of those HP48G calculators
[19:28:11] <cmn32480|away> Reverse Polish Notation
[19:35:56] <chromas> are there (forward) Polish Notation calculators?
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[20:50:40] <chromas> why are HBO and Sony Music involved in a software issue?
[20:51:23] <cmn32480|away> 'cuz the pirating was video and or music?
[20:51:34] <cmn32480|away> ~weather baltimore
[20:51:37] <exec_> 10Baltimore, MD, USA - currently 61°F / 16°C, partly cloudy, wind SE at 7 mph, humidity 65% - Friday partly cloudy (49°F:60°F / 9°C:16°C), Saturday cloudy (48°F:66°F / 9°C:19°C), Sunday scattered showers (38°F:50°F / 3°C:10°C), Monday partly cloudy (43°F:49°F / 6°C:9°C)
[20:51:45] <chromas> it says software pirate
[20:51:50] <chromas> and I'm not allowed to rtfa
[20:52:11] <AndyTheAbsurd> you're not allowed to read the bbc website?
[20:52:55] <chromas> summaries only; slashdot community rules
[20:53:24] * chromas reads the comments on the youtube video
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[20:53:34] <chromas> aw
[20:54:32] <AndyTheAbsurd> oh
[20:54:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> well
[20:54:50] <chromas> when I read the headline, I expected the video to be torrented
[20:54:51] <AndyTheAbsurd> fuck slashdot community rules, this is not slashdot and we do as we please.
[20:54:55] <cmn32480|away> I somehow managed to ahve 6 logins via xrdp to the linux box and coudlnt' sort whcih was which
[20:55:45] <cmn32480|away> kill 'em all and let God sort it out
[20:55:58] <chromas> You could use one with tmux/screen, though they ruin mouse-based basckscrolling
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[20:56:54] <chromas> alternatively, if you disown the process it should keep running when you logout
[20:57:18] <cmn32480|away> exec actually runs in a command window, is that possible to do?
[20:57:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[20:58:00] <cmn32480|away> thankfully this isn't slashdot, WE are msart enough to RTFA.
[20:58:15] <cmn32480|away> can'
[20:58:24] <cmn32480|away> can't type for shit, but we RTFA
[20:58:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> ./startexec & && disown %1
[20:58:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> or whatever exec's start command is
[20:58:47] <cmn32480|away> bless you
[20:59:08] * chromas checks TheMightyBuzzard for priesthood
[20:59:33] <cmn32480|away> why would he be wearing a priest's hood?
[20:59:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> the lonely & puts it running in the background. the && says do this stuff after if the previous succeeded
[20:59:45] <cmn32480|away> di the priest give the buzzard the shirt off his back?
[21:00:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, he give me his trousers. priests is weird.
[21:00:18] <cmn32480|away> i thoguht you were an old man, not a young boy.
[21:00:19] <cmn32480|away> nograb'
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[21:00:58] <cmn32480> ~q
[21:01:00] <exec_> successfully saved buckets file (11.5 kb)
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[21:01:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you want it to log to something try: nohup ./startexec & && disown %1
[21:01:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> it'll log to nohup.out in the current directory
[21:02:13] <cmn32480> syntax error
[21:02:18] <Gravis> seems legit: https://soylentnews.org
[21:02:19] <timecube> ^ 03SN comment by [02Gravis (4596)] (02Score:2)
[21:02:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> feh
[21:02:54] <cmn32480> yeesh
[21:03:20] <chromas> actually, that article could explain where crutchy went
[21:03:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> fine, do it in two pieces
[21:03:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> ./startexec &
[21:03:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> then disown %1
[21:04:01] <chromas> is there a way to re-own it?
[21:04:08] <cmn32480> problem is, until I shut exec down, I don't get another command line
[21:04:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> not that i know of
[21:04:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> never cared enough to find out
[21:04:20] <chromas> that's what the & is for
[21:04:22] <Gravis> chromas: "pwn2own"?
[21:04:24] <chromas> puts it in the background
[21:04:48] <AndyTheAbsurd> the & (single &, different from &&) *should* start exec in the background...
[21:05:03] <AndyTheAbsurd> you have to get the "& &&" part exactly right
[21:05:04] <cmn32480> if the commadn to run the bot is "php irc.php"
[21:05:21] <AndyTheAbsurd> the && part is to execute the next command
[21:05:27] <chromas> if it has the shebang you can just to ./irc.php
[21:05:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> php irc.php & && disown %1
[21:05:38] <cmn32480> I get ./php: No such file or directory found
[21:05:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> no ./php
[21:06:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> ./something means run something found in the current directory
[21:06:08] <cmn32480> right
[21:06:11] <cmn32480> oh
[21:06:14] <cmn32480> got it
[21:06:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas for when your current directory is not in your path but you want to run something that lives in it
[21:07:02] <AndyTheAbsurd> ah, && means "only run the following command if the preceding one completed with exit code 0"
[21:07:11] <AndyTheAbsurd> so you probably need to do it with ; instead
[21:07:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly more correct to, yes, but i think it'd work with any command sent to the background.
[21:07:57] * TheMightyBuzzard checks
[21:08:03] <cmn32480> problem is that the previous command doesn't exit
[21:08:18] <cmn32480> it is running in an interactive window
[21:08:29] <chromas> sudo apt-get install tmux
[21:08:30] <chromas> :D
[21:09:06] <cmn32480> adn tmux does what, exactly?
[21:09:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> hum, okay. can't put squat after the & that backgrounds it apparently
[21:09:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, don't fall for it. you'll spend all your time trying to remember arcane crap instead of doing work.
[21:09:55] <AndyTheAbsurd> cmn32480: tmux lets you disconnect and leave programs running, then reconnect and be able to control the programs again
[21:10:10] <cmn32480> so does xrdp
[21:10:15] <cmn32480> which I already have working
[21:10:20] <AndyTheAbsurd> it also lets you have one ACTUAL terminal window and run several shells
[21:10:39] <Gravis> xrdp? isn't that Windows RDP on linux?
[21:10:47] <cmn32480> yes Gravis
[21:11:05] <Gravis> /facepalm
[21:11:11] <cmn32480> allows me to connect to the box on a gui through my RDS Gateway at the office
[21:11:25] <cmn32480> I've told you gravis, I will gladly do that for you repeatedly
[21:11:29] <AndyTheAbsurd> /facepalm
[21:11:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> i gotta go with the consensus here. /facepalm
[21:12:01] <AndyTheAbsurd> you don't need (and generally don't really *want*) to connect to a Linux GUI remotely
[21:12:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> be much better just setting up an openssh server
[21:12:14] <Gravis> cmn32480: i'm just not that in to you. ;P
[21:12:15] <AndyTheAbsurd> you just log in over ssh and type shit at your Linux box and then it does things
[21:12:15] <cmn32480> that is also done
[21:12:38] <AndyTheAbsurd> oh look, it's time for me to go home.
[21:12:42] * cmn32480 is a noob, needs the crutch of a gui.
[21:12:48] * TheMightyBuzzard wabes
[21:12:51] <cmn32480> I'm a windows admin.
[21:12:59] <cmn32480> I don't (generally) speak command line
[21:13:07] <cmn32480> at least not much
[21:13:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> practice makes perfect
[21:13:20] <Gravis> cmn32480: age?
[21:13:46] <Gravis> cmn32480: because it's either time to learn or just time to die.
[21:13:46] <cmn32480> old enough to have worked on a VAX, but young enough to not remember any of it
[21:14:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> almost bought myself a VAX back in the late 90s just for nostalgia
[21:15:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> then remembered shipping and handling would eat my entire ass
[21:15:09] <cmn32480> thoguht about replaceing the house furnace with it did 'ja?
[21:15:34] <Gravis> emulators are cheaper
[21:15:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but you can't get small moons to orbit around them as easily
[21:16:58] <Gravis> really you could just build one using modern parts
[21:17:47] <Gravis> seriously, with digital electronics now, it's easy
[21:18:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, prolly could at that.
[21:19:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> and have it be about as big as a shoebox to boot.
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[21:19:34] * TheMightyBuzzard smakes crutchy
[21:19:39] <cmn32480> shoot, your android phone probably has more horsepower than the old vaxes did
[21:19:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> undoubtedly
[21:20:06] <chromas> yeah, could a vax run java?
[21:20:19] <cmn32480> only the time I spilled coffee in it
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[21:21:11] <cmn32480> ok... I've unfucked what you guys told me to do
[21:21:24] * chromas whistles nonchalantly
[21:21:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... vaxes should be oughta patent protection by now. i could prolly look up the patents and use those as schematics.
[21:21:42] <chromas> do it
[21:21:51] <cmn32480> was ti the vax you want, or jsut the OS?
[21:21:51] <chromas> then you can host soylent on it
[21:22:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, not sure. i don't have an itanium or i'd just run openvms
[21:22:46] <cmn32480> https://www.raspberrypi.org
[21:22:47] <timecube> ^ 03Raspberry Pi View topic - VAX/VMS on RaspberryPi
[21:23:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> great googly moogly
[21:23:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, emulated.
[21:24:15] <cmn32480> right... but from the comments:
[21:24:16] <cmn32480> You can find the OpenVMS Hobbyist program here: http://www.openvms.org They require you to be a member of a user group, so you'll have to search around a bit. You can now download the required images, which is a real help as you used to have to buy the CD for $30. When you register, they'll send you a couple emails with license pak numbers for VMS and the associated layered products. You'll have to use these to
[21:24:16] <cmn32480> get everything running. It's a pretty fiddly process--but there's an excellent follow-along tutorial by Phillip Wherry, available here: http://kuhl-us.com It's from 2004, but everything's still the same. (VAX/VMS hasn't changed in that time as far as I know--the last available version is 7.3.)
[21:24:17] <timecube> ^ 03Page not found | www.openvmsnews.com
[21:24:18] <timecube> ^ 03404 Not Found
[21:24:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> good lord but i'd have to brush off some ancient knowledge to use one of them beasties.
[21:25:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> haven't touched one since i found one while war dialing
[21:27:01] <crutchy> ahoy!
[21:27:02] <SirFinkus> the living computer museum has shell accounts on a vax box if you're interested
[21:27:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> sup, crutchmeister
[21:27:33] <SirFinkus> http://www.livingcomputermuseum.org
[21:27:35] <timecube> ^ 03Request a Login - Living Computer Museum
[21:28:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, probably something i'm going to put off until i get done learning both minecraft mod coding and doing SN coding.
[21:43:06] <crutchy> coffee++
[21:43:07] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1920
[21:43:10] <crutchy> saturday++
[21:43:10] <Bender> karma - saturday: 3
[21:44:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, can i borrow your delorean to skip over all the christmas shopping nonsense this year?
[21:45:10] <crutchy> if i had a delorian i wouldn't be here :D
[21:45:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> you gotta have one. you're speaking from the future
[21:45:27] <crutchy> i would be in 1955 banging marty mcfly's mom
[21:45:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, that's fair
[21:45:54] <crutchy> she was hot. hmm wonder what she looks like now
[21:46:01] * crutchy dares not find out
[21:46:21] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, you just need a missus to avoid the christmas bullshit :D
[21:46:29] <crutchy> she does it all for ya
[21:47:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh i wasn't gonna go christmas shopping. just regular shopping's a pain with all the christmas nutters out there.
[21:48:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google May Test Balloon Internet Service Over the United States - http://sylnt.us - phileas-fogg
[21:53:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> yerg, chicken bacon alfredo pizzas make for a fragrant next day.
[21:55:41] <crutchy> Bender, s/phileas-fogg/ay-marge-go-gets-me-mah-shotgun/
[21:55:41] <sedctl> <crutchy> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google May Test Balloon Internet Service Over the United States - http://sylnt.us - ay-marge-go-gets-me-mah-shotgun
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[22:10:30] * TheMightyBuzzard scratches his head
[22:11:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> for the life of me it looks like minecraft implemented their ai strictly on the client side.
[22:22:26] <AndyTheAbsurd> Interesting approach
[22:22:35] <AndyTheAbsurd> Why waste server horsepower on that when you've got a bunch of clients to do it for you?
[22:23:25] <AndyTheAbsurd> is SN going to run a story on the Colorado Springs shootings? http://www.baynews9.com
[22:23:26] <timecube> ^ 03Police: Civilians, 4 officers injured in Colorado attack
[22:29:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> beats me. dunno that we got an ed around to do it
[22:30:16] <chromas> you know who's really behind the planned parenthood attacks? the hangar industry
[22:30:25] <AndyTheAbsurd> well, I submitted a story for it
[22:30:40] <AndyTheAbsurd> so somebody go poke an editor for me
[22:30:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> just asked in #editorial and pinged everyone
[22:30:47] <AndyTheAbsurd> I gotta feed cats and catch up on dishes
[22:30:50] <crutchy> prolly either a far left whacko or a far right whacko
[22:31:09] <crutchy> at least libertarians in smack bang in the middle
[22:31:13] <crutchy> *are
[22:31:23] <crutchy> .socialist TheMightyBuzzard
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[22:31:30] <crutchy> derp
[22:32:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> #socialist crutchy
[22:32:05] <MrPlow> crutchy, you're a socialist!
[22:33:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> .socialist Bender
[22:33:35] * TheMightyBuzzard pokes exec_
[22:33:43] <crutchy> is it here?
[22:33:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~socialist Bender
[22:33:51] <crutchy> oh. prolly doesn't have macros file
[22:33:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh
[22:35:58] <chromas> crutchy: you still got your pastebin up?
[22:36:04] <chromas> or is that on the exec vm?
[22:37:57] <crutchy> nah its on the server, which is shut down atm
[22:38:05] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, https://www.youtube.com
[22:38:06] <timecube> ^ 03Van Halen - Respect The Wind - YouTube
[22:38:18] <crutchy> puff puff yeah
[22:39:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> never too much van halen
[22:41:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha, found it
[22:42:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> bleh, it's compiled code
[22:42:57] <crutchy> looking for a mc ai?
[22:43:01] <crutchy> lol McAI
[22:43:07] <crutchy> the McAI Burger
[22:43:38] <crutchy> what's up with colorado anyway?
[22:43:49] <crutchy> is colorado a gun-banning state?
[22:44:00] <crutchy> or is it full of religious whackjobs?
[22:44:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> potheads and hippies mostly
[22:44:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is fairly redundant
[22:48:33] <crutchy> ha exec_ is still pm'ing me with highlights :p
[22:48:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> nice
[22:49:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> kay, got me a handy dandy java decompiler so i can rip off already used ai and just mod it a bit.
[22:50:49] <crutchy> ~tell cmn32480|away you can change the pm highlights in scripts/privmsg.php (atm its pm'ing me with highlights which i don't mind, but you can add/delete to suit yourself)
[22:50:50] <exec_> message saved
[22:51:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i'll go fix dinner
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[23:16:27] <cmn32480|away> crutchy - fixed, I think
[23:17:38] <cmn32480|away> ~rehash
[23:17:45] <exec_> successfully reloaded exec file (160 aliases)
[23:17:55] <cmn32480|away> guess we'll find out!
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[23:29:47] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[23:29:49] <timecube> ^ 03AC/DC - Jailbreak (Live - Donington, August 1991) - YouTube
[23:30:00] <crutchy> this should be the libertarian anthem :p
[23:31:15] <crutchy> .socialist TheMightyBuzzard
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[23:46:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> ugh. i think i just ate all of the chinese food
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