#Soylent | Logs for 2015-11-08

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[00:02:38] <SirFinkus> http://venturebeat.com
[00:02:39] <SirFinkus> HA
[00:02:48] <pinche_pendejo> NICE!
[00:03:23] <crutchy> lmao https://www.youtube.com
[00:03:25] <pinche_pendejo> Hahaha @ the buttons
[00:03:35] <pinche_pendejo> "Schedule fight" or "Pussy out"
[00:03:40] <crutchy> aussie politics is fucking stupid
[00:03:43] <SirFinkus> probably a publicity stunt
[00:03:57] <pinche_pendejo> asking to be sued, too.
[00:04:12] <SirFinkus> I love how they censored "fuck"
[00:04:14] <pinche_pendejo> I like how the "m" in Rumblr is a fist.
[00:04:20] <SirFinkus> I might have been offended
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[00:06:10] <pinche_pendejo> Fighting is awesome.
[00:06:30] <pinche_pendejo> But I don't do it anymore after my friend's tooth got knocked out at a party.
[00:07:09] <pinche_pendejo> let me see if I can dig up the pic...
[00:07:26] <SirFinkus> I try to avoid them
[00:07:32] <SirFinkus> probably because I'm a skinny asshole
[00:08:23] <pinche_pendejo> skinny dudes can fight, but generally they need to keep distance.
[00:08:37] <SirFinkus> not me
[00:08:45] <pinche_pendejo> they can get wicked hits in from afar, but are at a leverage disadvantage up close.
[00:08:55] <SirFinkus> no muscle, fucked up back
[00:10:15] <pinche_pendejo> That sugs, bro. How'd you fuck it up (if you dont mind me asking)
[00:11:07] <SirFinkus> welding
[00:11:14] <pinche_pendejo> brutal.
[00:11:34] <SirFinkus> it's getting worse, haven't been able to play guitar for about a week
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[00:12:08] <pinche_pendejo> That sucks.
[00:12:24] <SirFinkus> an older man offered to give me a massage, said it would help, I might take him up on it
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[00:12:35] <SirFinkus> what could possibly go wrong?
[00:13:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Religion Doesn't Make Kids More Generous or Altruistic, Study Finds - http://sylnt.us - thank-$DEITY
[00:13:23] <pinche_pendejo> Cool! found it. Okay, hold on...
[00:14:44] <pinche_pendejo> http://imgur.com
[00:14:45] <penetrode> ^ 03imgur: the simple error page
[00:14:46] <pinche_pendejo> Hahahahaha
[00:15:22] <pinche_pendejo> Idiot walked into some dude's party after our buddy's wedding and told the guy throwing the party that he ain't gonna pay no 50 cents to get goddamn beer.
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[00:15:34] <pinche_pendejo> The picture in the link is the result...the day after.
[00:16:04] <SirFinkus> lol
[00:17:22] <SirFinkus> oh shit, this was one of my favorite comedians https://www.youtube.com
[00:17:22] <penetrode> ^ 03Patrice O'neal Sings w/ Warren Haynes Goin' Down Slow by Howlin' Wolf - @OpieRadio - YouTube
[00:17:29] <SirFinkus> he actually nails it pretty well
[00:17:57] <pinche_pendejo> Warren Haynes was in a band called "Gov't Mule"
[00:18:13] <pinche_pendejo> That's also some good blues listenin' if you're interested. They did a great cover of War Pigs
[00:18:21] <SirFinkus> and about a billion other band iirc
[00:19:00] * SirFinkus youtubes
[00:19:27] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: ha! pwn3d! https://soylentnews.org
[00:19:28] <penetrode> ^ 03SN comment by [02Gravis (4596)] (02Score:5, Insightful)
[00:20:13] <pinche_pendejo> Ruh-roh.
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[00:21:07] <pinche_pendejo> Actually I'm all for government regulation. But with one big "if," that the government is working for the best interests of its citizens.
[00:21:43] <pinche_pendejo> Somebody needs to keep the collusionists in check. Good job Gravis, have a Cupie doll.
[00:22:48] <SirFinkus> I think "natural" monopolies should be heavily regulated
[00:23:09] <SirFinkus> they can be private, as long as they're regulated
[00:23:56] <SirFinkus> pinche_pendejo I like the muted strums on Gov't Mule's version of war pigs, don't think that was in the original
[00:27:15] <pinche_pendejo> Fink, how would you rate your skill? What's the most complicated guitar thing you can nail without errors?
[00:27:34] <SirFinkus> I'm shit
[00:27:43] <crutchy> Gravis, you claim you pwned, but you just showing your own ignorance dude
[00:28:09] <pinche_pendejo> Same here. Used to be decent though. Could play all 3 solos from Metallica's "one"
[00:28:15] <crutchy> you don't even know what tmb means by government sanctioned duopolies do you
[00:28:24] <SirFinkus> I can almost play Paint it Black
[00:28:28] <pinche_pendejo> The last solo is actually not too bad if you can two-handed tap
[00:28:42] <SirFinkus> and little bits and pieces of other songs
[00:28:44] <crutchy> you prolly don't even know how government involvement impacts competition
[00:29:05] <crutchy> not that i expect you would with your socialist blinders on
[00:29:29] <crutchy> must be awesome having that level of ignorance
[00:30:17] <crutchy> lemme guess you prolly think the 2008 financial crisis was all the fault of capitalism?
[00:30:18] <SirFinkus> also can make Don't Look Back in Anger recognizable, and other simple shit like Mary Jane's Last Dance
[00:30:49] <SirFinkus> I'm mainly limited by my chord changes, I can usually play a medium speed solo
[00:31:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, I have a shiny new fishing boat. You couldn't annoy me today short of drilling holes in the bottom.
[00:31:34] <crutchy> .socialist TheMightyBuzzard
[00:31:35] <exec> TheMightyBuzzard, YOU'RE a SOCIALIST!
[00:31:41] <crutchy> saw the pic
[00:31:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> #socialist crutchy
[00:31:42] <MrPlow> crutchy, you're a socialist!
[00:31:47] <pinche_pendejo> Fink, can you do a C to a B7th?
[00:31:49] <crutchy> nice boat
[00:32:08] <crutchy> is that you facing away from the camera having a fap in the corner?
[00:32:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar. don't really dig a front mount trolling motor but shurg. price was really good.
[00:32:13] <pinche_pendejo> Buzzard, I saw your boat pic. Also laughed at the blue rope. Yep, as far as rednecks go, you're the real deal.
[00:32:17] <pinche_pendejo> rigging++
[00:32:17] <Bender> karma - rigging: 1
[00:32:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's just a hold it to the trailer thing.
[00:32:32] <pinche_pendejo> Nice boat though. I'm jealous.
[00:32:39] <pinche_pendejo> Buzzard, most people use straps for that.
[00:32:49] <SirFinkus> yeah, not super fast though
[00:32:52] <crutchy> only if you care about paintwork
[00:32:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'how it came. i'll get come-a-longs later
[00:33:14] <pinche_pendejo> Hey man, I'm not knockin' it. If it works, use it.
[00:33:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[00:33:21] <SirFinkus> haven't practiced that one too much yet
[00:33:47] <crutchy> motor is pretty small. you might have trouble outrunning gatorsaurus in that thing
[00:34:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> gotta get it registered monday, get an anchor, couple paddles, couple buckets to bail out when i find the inevitable leaks.
[00:34:14] <crutchy> brick+rope = anchor :P
[00:34:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, not a big worry unless i take it in the mississippi river though
[00:34:36] <pinche_pendejo> That thing would get eaten alive in the Mississip'
[00:34:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'what i was pondering. cinder block.
[00:34:42] <pinche_pendejo> and the colorado
[00:35:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly. it's gonna get eaten alive in high winds on a normal old lake even with a flat bottom.
[00:35:24] <crutchy> did it come with paddles, scoop net, catch box and whatnot?
[00:35:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> shit no. boat, motor, trailer.
[00:35:50] <crutchy> boats are an awesome excuse to spend a shitload more money :)
[00:35:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> got a net already though and a big cooler for fooshes.
[00:35:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[00:36:23] <crutchy> then you gotta get rod holders so you can drink
[00:36:32] <crutchy> and bait board
[00:36:36] <SirFinkus> I suspect all that other shit are minor expenses compared to what you go
[00:36:49] <crutchy> seats look nice on it
[00:36:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> 1" pvc and pipe strap to hold them to the side.
[00:37:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, ya, pretty much. they'll add up quick though.
[00:38:15] <crutchy> then when its pissing down rain, a canopy starts looking real good
[00:38:26] <crutchy> and then it all goes downhill from there :D
[00:38:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, that's when going home starts looking good.
[00:38:56] <crutchy> i wish i had my dad's old boat sometimes
[00:39:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> rod holders n fish finder must happen though.
[00:39:06] <crutchy> they're awesome when they're on the water
[00:39:10] <pinche_pendejo> crutchy, canopies can be a liability in wind.
[00:39:22] <pinche_pendejo> or if you forget to put it down when driving the boat home HAHAHAHA
[00:39:30] * pinche_pendejo saw that happen once
[00:39:34] <SirFinkus> sailboat
[00:39:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, back out watchin me some doctor who with the roomie n the kids. yall don't catch nothin on fire unless it belongs to Gravis.
[00:39:58] <crutchy> pinche_pendejo, depends. my old mans boat had a canopy that you could drive home with when up
[00:40:05] <crutchy> was proper though
[00:40:37] <pinche_pendejo> if you got one of those rich-man boats that has more of a roof rather than a canopy, sure.
[00:41:27] <crutchy> it was a bit like this one: http://i.ebayimg.com
[00:41:36] <crutchy> maybe a little more sturdy but not much
[00:41:52] <pinche_pendejo> Oh, that makes sense, it's a front canopy
[00:42:01] <crutchy> the canopy part wasn't as high, but the windows were a tad bigger too
[00:42:26] <pinche_pendejo> The canopies on all the boats I've driven are the kind that fold from the back,
[00:42:55] <crutchy> ah
[00:43:44] <pinche_pendejo> http://www.travelizmo.com
[00:44:09] <SirFinkus> fucking rats in the attic are back
[00:44:24] <pinche_pendejo> Like that, except with the canopy deployed. Drove back to the shop without retracting it and it actually broke one of the metal bars
[00:44:26] <pinche_pendejo> HAhahahaha
[00:45:06] <pinche_pendejo> Believe it ripped the canopy itself. Cost 300 bucks to redo the canopy and we had to rig the broken bar back together with brackets.
[00:45:17] <pinche_pendejo> Rat traps, fink
[00:45:28] <pinche_pendejo> Peanut butta. Rats love peanut butta
[00:46:27] <SirFinkus> holy shit, they're either fighting or fucking
[00:47:27] <SirFinkus> I want to Heydrich their ass
[00:47:31] <pinche_pendejo> Gotta BB gun, fink?
[00:47:47] <SirFinkus> I have a mosin nagant
[00:47:55] <SirFinkus> will that work?
[00:48:27] <pinche_pendejo> that's called an "AD" Fink. How far out from civilization are you?
[00:48:28] <pinche_pendejo> Hahahah
[00:48:53] <SirFinkus> it wouldn't be accidental
[00:49:11] <pinche_pendejo> Try telling that to the Bacon when the SWAT team busts your door down
[00:49:51] <SirFinkus> I will, thanks for the advice
[00:50:47] <SirFinkus> I'm going to be so ruthless in my extermination they're going to make disney movies about me
[00:51:04] <pinche_pendejo> !grab SirFinkus
[00:51:04] <Bender> Added quote 585
[00:51:08] <pinche_pendejo> hahahah
[00:53:11] <crutchy> ~g mosin nagant
[00:53:13] <exec> [google] https://en.wikipedia.org–Nagant
[00:53:49] <pinche_pendejo> It's a cheap rifle, crutchy.
[00:53:51] <crutchy> holy shit SirFinkus
[00:53:58] <crutchy> ruski
[00:54:16] <pinche_pendejo> The End in Metal Gear Solid 3 used one.
[00:54:25] <crutchy> ah yeah should have recognised mosin from playing close combat 3
[00:55:50] <crutchy> i can definitely understand why homeland security is scared shitless of america
[00:56:30] <crutchy> when the shit hits the fan, its gunna fucking destroy the fan, and the roof
[00:56:44] <pinche_pendejo> crutchy, the best part is, everytime the gun-grabbers here get loud (like after a school shooting), people go out and buy more guns and ammo.
[00:56:47] <pinche_pendejo> guns++
[00:56:47] <Bender> karma - guns: 1
[00:57:26] <crutchy> yeah i heard about that. specially anything that people think is gunna be banned like AR-15's
[00:57:52] <SirFinkus> damn, I missed a joke I could have made
[00:58:03] <SirFinkus> fuck it, I'll make it anyway
[00:58:19] <crutchy> you'd think that the left would realise how good intentions can have reverse consequences, but meh
[00:58:26] * SirFinkus nicknames the rats the Franks
[00:58:35] <crutchy> i dont get it
[00:58:49] <SirFinkus> think about it
[00:58:55] <crutchy> if you had a mouser maybe :p
[00:59:07] <crutchy> mauser
[00:59:11] <SirFinkus> think about it...
[00:59:33] <pinche_pendejo> http://imgur.com
[00:59:38] <crutchy> its sunday morning here... thinking is illegal
[00:59:39] <penetrode> ^ 03Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet
[01:00:00] <pinche_pendejo> http://imgur.com
[01:00:00] <penetrode> ^ 03Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet
[01:00:11] <SirFinkus> fine https://en.wikipedia.org
[01:00:12] <penetrode> ^ 03Wiki: Anne Frank
[01:00:13] <crutchy> haha i think i saw that first one before
[01:00:16] <crutchy> nice gun
[01:00:51] <alexbst> ah rifles
[01:00:54] <alexbst> I'd love a nice G3
[01:01:10] <crutchy> tbh having never fired a gun before they sorta scare me, but even chainsaws scare me a bit
[01:01:24] <pinche_pendejo> http://imgur.com
[01:01:25] <penetrode> ^ 03Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet
[01:01:25] <alexbst> I've shot a few, sadly not a G3.
[01:01:32] <pinche_pendejo> That's what FREEDOM looks like, Crutch-dawg
[01:01:35] <alexbst> M4 was amazingly lovely
[01:01:41] <crutchy> le old 12 gauge?
[01:01:55] <crutchy> s/old/olde/
[01:01:55] <sedctl> <crutchy> le olde 12 gauge?
[01:02:20] <crutchy> i think i'd rather be shot by a rifle than a shotgun
[01:02:29] <SirFinkus> I'd a take a picture of mine, but I've been drinking and I don't open my safe when I've been drinking
[01:02:40] <crutchy> at least i'd likely be put out of my misery with a rifle
[01:02:55] <crutchy> SirFinkus, good policy
[01:04:42] <SirFinkus> mine is actually a 91/59
[01:05:41] <SirFinkus> did a trigger job on it so it shoots nicely
[01:05:45] <pinche_pendejo> Nice.
[01:06:08] <SirFinkus> bolt locks off if you shoot it a bunch, but that's a common problem with the rifle
[01:06:22] <SirFinkus> *locks up
[01:06:29] <pinche_pendejo> That sucks.
[01:06:48] <pinche_pendejo> If your life depended on it, that is.
[01:06:51] <SirFinkus> I can probably fix it, but can't be assed
[01:07:19] <crutchy> get an AK :p
[01:07:26] <SirFinkus> yeah, it doesn't have a bayonet either, so I'm fucked
[01:07:36] <SirFinkus> meh
[01:07:38] <crutchy> ooh yeah even your cops have those
[01:08:08] <SirFinkus> I really want a k31, those are the shit
[01:08:14] <SirFinkus> fuck the ak
[01:08:30] <crutchy> ~g k31 machine gun
[01:08:31] <exec> [google] https://en.wikipedia.org
[01:08:58] <crutchy> hmm. or is it a rifle?
[01:09:07] <pinche_pendejo> 71-round drum. Fuuuuuu...
[01:09:27] <crutchy> AK's are agricultural, but they work
[01:09:50] <pinche_pendejo> I'd like an MP-5
[01:09:50] <crutchy> guess that's why just about everyone except the western bloc uses them
[01:10:08] <SirFinkus> it's a rifle crutchy
[01:10:18] <SirFinkus> super sexy swiss straight pull bolt action
[01:10:27] <crutchy> ah'
[01:10:43] <SirFinkus> accurate as fuck
[01:10:45] <pinche_pendejo> I love bolts. Fuck levers
[01:10:55] <pinche_pendejo> lever-action is hillbilly shit
[01:11:00] * pinche_pendejo looks around for Buzzard
[01:11:02] <crutchy> hmm. looks sturdy
[01:11:11] <SirFinkus> faster than an enfield
[01:11:28] <crutchy> yeah gotta admit bolt action kinda looks sexy
[01:11:43] <crutchy> sniper'ish
[01:12:20] <crutchy> don't think i ever seen a lever action sniper rifle in any movies
[01:13:34] <pinche_pendejo> revolvers are also pretty fun
[01:14:27] <pinche_pendejo> but bolts, levers, and revolvers are less likely to save your ass when the zombie^W ******* apocalypse hits. You need 'dat semi auto.
[01:14:35] <alexbst> http://wimminz.wordpress.com is quite funny btw
[01:14:36] <penetrode> ^ 03Wimminz - celebrating skank ho's everywhere | Wimminz ( https://wimminz.wordpress.com )
[01:14:56] <alexbst> rate insight into field ops for retail managed network
[01:15:01] <SirFinkus> simpler the better imo
[01:15:12] <alexbst> s/rate/rare/
[01:15:12] <sedctl> <alexbst> rare insight into field ops for retail managed network
[01:15:21] <pinche_pendejo> Yeah, and semi-autos foul hella quick.
[01:15:39] <SirFinkus> you aren't going to be able to carry 100s of rounds of ammo around anyway
[01:15:49] <pinche_pendejo> good point
[01:15:50] <SirFinkus> which makes the advantage less
[01:17:26] <SirFinkus> I'd take my mosin if shtf
[01:17:39] <SirFinkus> a k31 would be nicer, but you'd never find ammo for it
[01:18:32] <pinche_pendejo> Shit, only a few years ago .223/.556 was impossible to find for...reasons.
[01:19:09] <pinche_pendejo> Wal-Mart would put like 3 boxes of it on the shelf and it would be gone instantly.
[01:19:29] <SirFinkus> they were out of .45 for months
[01:19:50] <SirFinkus> every time they'd get more, it'd sell out instantly
[01:21:49] <pinche_pendejo> I don't believe in investing but perhaps I should deal in guns and ammo.
[01:22:18] <pinche_pendejo> It's a smart business strategy - people rush for guns and ammo everytime the gun-grabbers get loud.
[01:22:27] <SirFinkus> holy shit
[01:22:36] <SirFinkus> apparently WA is a mutal combat state
[01:22:48] <SirFinkus> so as long as both parties agree to fight, it's legal
[01:23:16] <pinche_pendejo> washington++
[01:23:16] <Bender> karma - washington: 3
[01:23:40] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[01:23:40] <penetrode> ^ 03Superhero "Phoenix Jones" KO Guy On The Street! (Cop Allows The Fight To Go Down As A Mutal Combat) - YouTube
[01:25:00] <pinche_pendejo> Washington is fucking awesome.
[01:27:08] <pinche_pendejo> If it weren't for all the tech here I'd move to WA
[01:29:05] <crutchy> pinche_pendejo, work for microsoft ;p
[01:29:21] <SirFinkus> lots of tech in WA
[01:29:47] <crutchy> then you can insert the w64/ethanol.fueled trojan into the next windows release :D
[01:30:10] <pinche_pendejo> I'm really starting to get sick of California's bullshit.
[01:30:42] <crutchy> nice place to visit maybe, but yeah fuck living there
[01:31:05] <crutchy> somewhere in the mid-west where nothing much happens might be nice
[01:31:19] <pinche_pendejo> Crutchy, Washington is kinda like that.
[01:31:40] <crutchy> dunno if i'd go a border state
[01:31:40] <pinche_pendejo> The weather sucks, but on the flip-side of that you have actual seasons.
[01:32:03] <SirFinkus> not really pinche_pendejo
[01:32:08] <SirFinkus> we have rainy and sunny
[01:32:17] <pinche_pendejo> crutchy, Canadian tourists are a lot more preferable to...well, let's just say than to what we have on our Southern border.
[01:32:24] <SirFinkus> and most of the state is rather arid
[01:32:30] <pinche_pendejo> Fink - at least you have more than one.
[01:32:33] <crutchy> apparently your TSA creeps make themselves welcome to inspect vehicles miles inland from borders
[01:33:11] <SirFinkus> crutchy, legally true, but in reality that only really happens in the southern states
[01:33:13] * crutchy opens google maps
[01:33:16] <crutchy> ah
[01:33:29] <crutchy> yeah thats where the yt videos seem to be mostly
[01:34:03] <pinche_pendejo> crutchy, I know this - When I visit my hometown and birthplace, I have to drive through a checkpoint.
[01:34:22] <SirFinkus> I'm so pissed at that shit
[01:34:25] <pinche_pendejo> When I was young that checkpoint only checked semi-trucks. Now, everybody gets the dogs.
[01:34:46] <crutchy> we can get pulled over anywhere anytime here and we have no rights to do shit, but at least we don't have checkpoints
[01:36:05] <crutchy> hmm. i don't think i'd like to live anywhere near bear territory, so north-west is out :p
[01:36:45] <crutchy> and i'd prolly go for a red state rather than blue
[01:37:24] <crutchy> kansas or nebraska maybe?
[01:37:30] <crutchy> dunno if they're red or blue
[01:37:58] <crutchy> or even south dakota. least populated state so nice and quiet :)
[01:39:36] <pinche_pendejo> I find Oregon and Washington to be the best compromise. You have the coast, plenty of nature and wide-open spaces, but with a lot less of midwestern idiocy.
[01:39:59] <pinche_pendejo> Of course, you substitute that with liberal idiocy.
[01:40:52] <crutchy> i can't get over your lack of property fencing
[01:40:58] <crutchy> that's fucking weird man
[01:41:16] <pinche_pendejo> What do you mean, crutch-dawg?
[01:41:34] <crutchy> houses in towns and stuff
[01:41:54] <crutchy> they don't seem to have any paling or sheet fencing
[01:42:02] <crutchy> no privacy at all
[01:42:22] <crutchy> unless i'm just looking in odd spots
[01:43:44] <pinche_pendejo> yeah, you are.
[01:44:09] <pinche_pendejo> fencing is alive and well, especially in this city where space is at a premium.
[01:44:34] * crutchy drops the streetview man in san diego burbs
[01:44:51] <pinche_pendejo> Hell, I built a piece of a fence for a woman I was fucking.
[01:45:08] <pinche_pendejo> so her neighbor's kids would stop getting through
[01:45:39] <crutchy> i can see some cyclone (wire mesh) fencing
[01:46:02] <crutchy> odd picket fence
[01:46:38] <crutchy> we just replaced a paling fence here. went from 5 and a half ft high to 6ft paling fence
[01:48:52] <crutchy> maybe straya just isn't veery neighborly
[01:49:35] <pinche_pendejo> fences are a luzury.
[01:49:39] <pinche_pendejo> luxury.
[01:50:42] <crutchy> they are a bit expensive. i had to fork out AU$1k for my half of one side fince :/
[01:50:51] <crutchy> *fence
[01:51:12] <pinche_pendejo> What kind of fence?
[01:52:05] <crutchy> just a plain old paling fence
[01:52:34] <pinche_pendejo> Hahahah, so you paid somebody to do it instead of doing it yourself?
[01:52:56] <pinche_pendejo> You could do wood yourself, dude. It's a lot of labor but dirt-cheap if you do it yourself.
[01:53:58] <crutchy> true
[01:54:37] <crutchy> i'm not a handyman though, and if you wanna do it yourself you gotta work it out with your neighbour
[01:54:59] <crutchy> if you're friendly its easier. we don't talk to most our neighbors much. only one
[01:55:04] <pinche_pendejo> Yeah, good point.
[01:55:19] <pinche_pendejo> I hate people too. That's why I wanna move to Washington.
[01:55:23] <crutchy> hah
[01:55:26] <pinche_pendejo> Nosey fucking neighbors.
[01:55:32] <crutchy> yeah people are c*nts
[01:55:52] <crutchy> actually i prolly should change that to 'society are c*nts'
[01:55:54] <SirFinkus> where in WA?
[01:55:57] <pinche_pendejo> The worst is when you live in an apartment or condo, and your neighbors ask you all kinds of prying personal questions.
[01:56:34] <pinche_pendejo> "I'm a Satanic Sheep-fucker, that's what I do for a living. Rich people pay me to film it so they can jack off. Any more questions, mocoso?"
[01:57:04] <crutchy> we get along really well with one of our neighbors. her cat pretty much thinks it owns the joint, which is ok cos the kids love it. she leaves her newspapers on the front porch for our guinea pig cage
[01:57:19] <Gravis> Mutal Kombat! \o/
[01:57:36] <pinche_pendejo> Fink, I don't know just yet.
[01:57:49] <crutchy> go live near chromas :D
[01:57:56] <pinche_pendejo> Probably within an hour's drive of a major tech center.
[01:58:04] <crutchy> oh. so not near chromas :(
[01:58:15] <SirFinkus> where does he live?
[01:59:01] <chromas> opposite corner of the state
[01:59:01] <crutchy> walla walla i think
[01:59:03] <SirFinkus> lemme know if you do relocate, I know all the places
[01:59:05] <SirFinkus> ah
[01:59:05] <crutchy> or summin
[01:59:17] <chromas> that's it. onions and wheat
[01:59:23] <crutchy> exec knows >;-D
[01:59:27] <crutchy> ~location chromas
[01:59:28] <exec> *** location "chromas" = "walla walla"
[02:00:24] <pinche_pendejo> I want to move to the NORTHWESTERN FRONT.
[02:00:31] <chromas> they're trying desperately to be yet another wine hole
[02:00:36] <crutchy> to fight the ruskies?
[02:00:42] <crutchy> when they annex alaska?
[02:00:45] <SirFinkus> cascadia?
[02:00:46] <crutchy> :)
[02:00:48] <pinche_pendejo> But before that, I must paint myself in whiteface...as my skin is dark.
[02:01:04] <chromas> whiteface is cool. not racis', mang
[02:01:16] <pinche_pendejo> Maybe have a little liposuction done on my biscuit-lips.
[02:01:36] <crutchy> biscuit lips are better for giving head though. makes you more employable
[02:01:38] <SirFinkus> reminds me (not sure why) I went shopping today and stood behind a bandido in line
[02:01:47] <pinche_pendejo> Goddammit, not the wine-holes. Fuck. There's nowhere to run!
[02:01:51] <SirFinkus> I think they're mobilizing or something
[02:02:03] <crutchy> they're no longer welcome in texas
[02:02:18] <SirFinkus> saw a shitton on the i5 riding in formation a few weeks back
[02:02:47] <pinche_pendejo> Finkus, who are you talking about? The wineholes, or the 'menace?
[02:02:51] <crutchy> maybe they're trying to take out south park for shitting on their seats
[02:02:55] <chromas> what else is no longer welcome in texas? maybe it's time to move. are the nuts gone yet?
[02:02:58] <SirFinkus> the MC
[02:03:09] <SirFinkus> http://www.bandidosmcunitedstates.com
[02:03:10] <penetrode> ^ 03BANDIDOS MC USA - Official Website
[02:03:16] <crutchy> chromas, nah i get the impression texas is still nutcase-central
[02:03:18] <pinche_pendejo> Oh, I know abotu them.
[02:03:43] <SirFinkus> they hang out in a bar in my town sometimes
[02:03:44] <crutchy> trump is winding them up even more with his wall talk
[02:03:47] <pinche_pendejo> met a cop here who was asked to go undercover and infiltrate the growing numbers of veteran biker-gangs here.
[02:03:55] <chromas> they're not cool unless they run and host their website from their motorcycles
[02:04:34] <SirFinkus> http://www.frankiessportsbarandgrill.com
[02:04:41] <pinche_pendejo> I just lost a lot of respect for the bandidos for having a website at all.
[02:04:42] <penetrode> ^ 03Frankie's Sports Bar and Grill
[02:04:51] <SirFinkus> you used to be able to smoke pot there, but the state shut that down
[02:05:07] <pinche_pendejo> Especially a Flash website.
[02:05:18] <chromas> pinche_pendejo: at least it's a shitty website with images for text
[02:05:31] <SirFinkus> oh wait, it wasn't the bandidos I saw riding, but one of their allies
[02:05:35] <SirFinkus> fuck, forgot the name
[02:05:48] <pinche_pendejo> it makes scary sounds and flames when you mouse over shit! Good lord, they need to shut that abomination down, and fast.
[02:05:55] <pinche_pendejo> That's gotta be a honeypot.
[02:06:21] <SirFinkus> same colors, but inverted
[02:07:36] * pinche_pendejo clicks the "join us" link
[02:08:01] <pinche_pendejo> Hey guys I got a Kawasaki and criminal intent I want to help you brew meth and rob people
[02:08:08] <Gravis> <crutchy> lemme guess you prolly think the 2008 financial crisis was all the fault of capitalism? <-- it was one part "the fed" and one part greed.
[02:10:33] <SirFinkus> don't think they'd like the kawasaki
[02:11:10] <pinche_pendejo> Fink, down here are have "rich kid" biker gangs that are sporting leather and colors riding Japanese bikes.
[02:11:17] <pinche_pendejo> No shit.
[02:11:27] <chromas> it's not a real kawasaki. he just branded it that was ironically. like putting an apple sticker on your dell
[02:11:28] <Gravis> crutchy: capitalism and greed are strongly linked, so yeah, it was a driving force in the matter
[02:11:38] <pinche_pendejo> hahah chromas
[02:11:47] <SirFinkus> bandidos are pretty hardcore
[02:11:58] * chromas actually has an apple sticker on his dell
[02:12:23] <Gravis> chromas: the bigger issue is that you have a dell
[02:12:28] <pinche_pendejo> yup fink.
[02:13:33] <pinche_pendejo> gravis, dells rock. You can hate them for being big, but their shit is reliable.
[02:13:57] <pinche_pendejo> Probably have NSA backdoors though. Snowden worked for Dell.
[02:14:00] <crutchy> Gravis, capitalism isn't greedy. humanity is greedy. if you think socialism isn't greedy you're in la la land
[02:14:03] <Gravis> crutchy: the bigger issue is that capitalism broke down when we bailed out the banks.
[02:14:12] <crutchy> ahh yeah
[02:14:27] <crutchy> governments fuck up capitalism regularly
[02:14:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Oil Confirmed Under Africa's Oldest Wildlife Park Virunga: DRC Govt - http://sylnt.us - wildlife-one-percenters
[02:14:48] <pinche_pendejo> because external money is allowed to influence politics.
[02:14:57] <crutchy> or the other way around
[02:15:03] <Gravis> crutchy: socialism? why do you think i would promote that?
[02:15:12] <crutchy> fiik dude
[02:15:21] <crutchy> its more corrupt than capitalism could ever be
[02:15:31] <crutchy> socialism is basically slavery
[02:15:40] <Gravis> money is slavery
[02:15:48] <crutchy> money is just a thing
[02:16:02] <Gravis> the need for it is the driving force
[02:16:14] <pinche_pendejo> you guys are right. Fuck money, I think I'll just go live in the streets for awhile begging for others' money.
[02:16:15] <crutchy> and there is money in socialism anyway so i dunno why its a distinction
[02:16:43] <crutchy> the only difference is that in capitalism the money is in the hands of workers, whereas in socialism its in the hands of the oligarchs in power
[02:16:49] <Gravis> why do you keep bringing up socialism? i have no connection with it.
[02:16:58] <crutchy> sure dude
[02:17:23] <crutchy> you believe in government force, no?
[02:17:32] <Gravis> a post-scarcity economy is what i advocate.
[02:17:47] <crutchy> controlled by government?
[02:18:19] <Gravis> there would be minimal need for government at all
[02:18:22] <crutchy> cos if its not controlled by government, then its probably capitalist
[02:18:27] <pinche_pendejo> Like in Star Trek: The Next Generation?
[02:18:41] <crutchy> star trek is socialism to the extreme
[02:18:46] <pinche_pendejo> That would be rad. A holodeck for lurid sexual fantasies, and a replicator to fatten myself.
[02:19:05] <crutchy> lol with seven of nine :-p~~~~~~~
[02:19:22] <Gravis> why do you keep bringing up socialism? i have no connection with it.
[02:19:24] <pinche_pendejo> I prefer Beverly Crusher.
[02:19:56] <chromas> You wouldn't get fat because you could just remove excess with the transporter
[02:20:03] <pinche_pendejo> hell yeah
[02:20:15] <chromas> live forever; never get sick
[02:20:16] <crutchy> Gravis, careful you might be confused for a libertarian with your small government talk :D
[02:20:34] <chromas> republicans used to claim a love for small government
[02:20:49] <Gravis> chromas: you wouldn't get fat because there wouldn't have food poison with sugar pushed on you.
[02:20:54] <pinche_pendejo> The system is fucked. REVOLT! REVOLT!
[02:20:55] <crutchy> neocons want big government. republicans aren't really republicans anymore
[02:21:31] <chromas> I could still eat all the sugar I wanted but then I could just digitally remove it after I swallow it
[02:21:51] <crutchy> i would be happy with a coffee replicator
[02:22:06] <pinche_pendejo> sugar is gross.
[02:22:07] <crutchy> "computer! coffee... black"
[02:22:23] <Gravis> chromas: why would you want to? i mean, it's a drug.
[02:22:24] <crutchy> oh wait dat racist
[02:22:28] <pinche_pendejo> "computer! Tea, Earl Grey, hot"
[02:22:29] <crutchy> "computer! coffee... rainbow"
[02:23:01] <chromas> Gravis: because it makes things taste delicious and I wouldn't need to suffer consequences
[02:23:13] <pinche_pendejo> computer! a hit of PCP and a shot of heroin
[02:23:30] <Gravis> chromas: then you dont understand the consequences of narcotics
[02:23:39] <crutchy> american sugar is sweeter than sugar everywhere else
[02:23:53] <chromas> I think you don't understand the concept of the star trek replicators/transporters
[02:24:12] <chromas> crutchy: that's because they add sugar to it like everything else :)
[02:24:15] <crutchy> i'm ad-dick-ted to bewbs
[02:24:17] <Gravis> chromas: actually, i probably understand it better than you. :P
[02:24:26] <pinche_pendejo> they don't add sugar, they add HFCS.
[02:24:34] <crutchy> they add extra sugar to sugar
[02:24:35] <chromas> fructose is sugar
[02:24:53] <pinche_pendejo> A nasty, refine product that was called "corn syrup" in a gambit to fool people reading labels that it was not sugar.
[02:25:07] <Gravis> sugar has multiple forms
[02:25:18] <Gravis> fructose is one of the worst of them
[02:25:23] <chromas> Gravis: then you understand that after you enjoy the high of a drug or whatever then you can just restore the affected parts of your body from a snapshot and go on like nothing bad happened
[02:26:02] <chromas> emos could cut their arms over and over again
[02:26:21] <pinche_pendejo> chromas, cutting leaves scars. Those don't go away.
[02:26:27] <Gravis> chromas: actually, a) that's not how the transporters in star trek work, b) it's your brain that is the issue.
[02:26:52] <crutchy> we could use systemd instead
[02:26:52] <chromas> pinche_pendejo: not with the buttmagical power of startrek replicators/transporters
[02:27:21] <pinche_pendejo> chromas, you would even need that. Beverly would grab some pen-like thing and make it magically go away.
[02:27:34] <chromas> Gravis: sure it is. You just need the computer to adjust the "pattern" when it arranges the mass
[02:27:43] <crutchy> she could grab my pen-like thing
[02:27:50] <pinche_pendejo> !grab crutchy
[02:27:50] <Bender> Added quote 586
[02:27:59] <chromas> mix and match patterns, using snapshots you've made in the past
[02:28:11] <Gravis> chromas: the transporters in star trek are matter-stream converters. this way you don't end up with people being copied.
[02:28:41] <chromas> but they use a "pattern" to arrange things on the other end. all you need is the pattern and a pile of energy
[02:28:59] <pinche_pendejo> Gravis, but it happened, when fake Riker got copied and joined the Maquis.
[02:29:18] <crutchy> cos if you copy people in star trek it would cause a hollywood paradox
[02:29:41] <Gravis> chromas: that's the reality of it... but you said star trek transporters.
[02:29:46] <chromas> I don't think there's any difference between replicators and transporters. they'd work the same way
[02:30:02] <Gravis> chromas: they "work" differently
[02:30:03] <crutchy> replicators and transporters are spelled slightly differently
[02:30:05] <chromas> it's like the difference between a printer and a copier
[02:30:28] <penetrode> NERD FIGHT!!!
[02:30:37] <crutchy> star wars ftw!
[02:30:54] <pinche_pendejo> Real hardcore thug nigga star trek politics are examined in the epidodes "Measure of a man" and "The drumhead"
[02:31:16] <crutchy> actually janeway fucks them all up
[02:31:18] <Gravis> exactly. if you want to talk about star trek technology, that's fine. however, you seem to be refering to the concepts.
[02:31:56] <crutchy> "i pwned the delta quadrant bitches!"
[02:32:05] <Gravis> ;)
[02:32:37] <pinche_pendejo> pfffft....if I were to offer advice to anybody who had not yet seen Voyager but wanted to, my only advice would be to watch only the first and last episodes.
[02:32:47] <pinche_pendejo> Everything in between is filler.
[02:32:52] <SirFinkus> night everybody
[02:32:57] <pinche_pendejo> later fink
[02:33:07] <crutchy> ~g'night SirFinkus
[02:33:09] * exec diabolically poops a used franger of vibrating rooster sammich for SirFinkus
[02:33:10] <pinche_pendejo> Chakotay...ingest...PEYOTAY
[02:33:33] <Gravis> chromas: the star trek transporters are more like a pnuematic system than a fax machine.
[02:33:58] <crutchy> gotta see the "now get off my ship" episode too. can't remember which one that is
[02:34:12] <chromas> transporter: mass -> energy -> mass; replicator -> energy -> mass
[02:34:40] <Gravis> chromas: that's the reality of it, not the fiction
[02:34:50] <crutchy> holy shit chromas when you say it like that it makes it seem possible
[02:34:57] <chromas> I haven't seen much of the original series, but in tng they have had issues with people getting stuck as energy and being duplicated
[02:35:03] * crutchy smakes chromas for being all technical
[02:35:56] <crutchy> "welcome sir... please step into this nuclear reactor for your transporter ride"
[02:36:12] <Gravis> chromas: yes, under extraordinary circumstances.
[02:36:39] <crutchy> they combined two people with a transporter in voyager
[02:36:52] <Gravis> chromas: the reality is more like the episode of the outer limits where a copy is sent and then you get murdered.
[02:37:05] <pinche_pendejo> crutchy, that was one of the shittiest episodes ever. They should have thrown Tuvix out the airlock.
[02:37:07] <chromas> yeah that would suck
[02:37:27] <crutchy> pinche_pendejo, true it was pretty painful to watch
[02:37:52] <crutchy> it was like star trek was taken over by sjws
[02:38:00] <pinche_pendejo> YUp.
[02:38:14] <chromas> sjws--
[02:38:14] <Bender> karma - sjws: -1
[02:38:23] <chromas> poutine--
[02:38:23] <Bender> karma - poutine: -405
[02:38:35] <chromas> oh, oops
[02:38:35] <chromas> poutine++
[02:38:35] <Bender> karma - poutine: -404
[02:38:44] <crutchy> lol poutine not found
[02:38:48] <pinche_pendejo> poutine is a dick.
[02:39:08] <pinche_pendejo> Even I can be civil from time to time.
[02:39:19] <chromas> we need the return of Khyber and combatserver
[02:39:27] <pinche_pendejo> and KONOMI
[02:39:38] <crutchy> and the infamous LED-powered 400TB DDOS!
[02:39:41] <chromas> I think hever hairyfeet stopped by once
[02:39:51] <chromas> ~random channel= nick=Hairyfeet
[02:40:02] <exec> 03[2014-02-15 23:53:59] ##slashtest <Hairyfeet__> Ok, so far it looks real nice in Comodo dragon and Pale Moon, loads quick
[02:40:21] <chromas> ~first channel= message=400.*tb
[02:40:22] <crutchy> aw what i missed hairyballs?!
[02:40:30] <chromas> in the beginning
[02:40:35] <pinche_pendejo> how do you see the grabbed quotes again?
[02:40:46] <chromas> !quote Ethanol-fueled
[02:40:46] <Bender> Quote 22 - <BadCoderFinger> Ethanol-fueled: I'm not certain that's the answer to the "Prisoner's Dilemma"
[02:40:47] * pinche_pendejo thinks there may be a bot for that
[02:40:50] <Bender> Also in quotes: 104, 139, 223, 243, 256, 271, 328, 329, 333, 334, 335, 336, 337, 338, 398, 409, 457, 479, 480, 505, 520, 549, 583
[02:40:52] <crutchy> ah. i was probably still trying to figure out what irc was back then :p
[02:41:01] <exec> 03[2014-03-08 00:09:46] #Soylent <Khyber> Or 400 TB/s cloud nailing comes upon you
[02:41:05] pinche_pendejo is now known as Ethanol-fueled
[02:41:12] <chromas> !quote balls
[02:41:13] <Bender> Quote 70 - <crutchy> lol ye of little faith in glowballs
[02:41:17] <Bender> Also in quotes: 265, 278, 347, 421, 550
[02:41:27] <crutchy> i like balls
[02:42:10] <chromas> ~first channel= nick=ethanol
[02:42:21] <exec> 03[2014-02-24 02:52:47] #Soylent <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah. What's up?
[02:42:21] <Ethanol-fueled> so if I were to write a bot to see (outside here) a list of quotes in chronological order, what is the command to see a quote by the order in which it was pushed?
[02:42:28] <Gravis> crutchy: so... you must be fairly young if you are new to the concept of IRC
[02:42:38] <crutchy> i'm just sheltered
[02:42:46] <crutchy> i'm 33'ish
[02:42:50] <crutchy> or something like that
[02:42:58] <Ethanol-fueled> Gravis - I am, but I'm just an idiot.
[02:43:00] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[02:43:05] <crutchy> ~first channel= nick=crutchy
[02:43:09] <Gravis> still running windows?
[02:43:15] <chromas> !quote 0
[02:43:15] <Bender> Quote 0 - <MrBluze> dumb question i know
[02:43:18] <chromas> !quote 1
[02:43:18] <Bender> Quote 1 - <NCommander> DarkMorph, because whenever I have to touch hashref's I want to stab my eyes out
[02:43:18] <exec> 03[2014-02-07 06:59:00] ##altslashdot <crutchy> i still use gnome2
[02:43:22] <Bytram> crutchy: 33ish...but in what number system / radix ??
[02:43:22] <chromas> like that, Ethanol-fueled?
[02:43:28] <crutchy> oct
[02:43:28] <Ethanol-fueled> that's easy enough.
[02:43:30] <crutchy> of course :D
[02:43:45] <Ethanol-fueled> !quote 500
[02:43:45] <Bender> Quote 500 - <Bytram> !grab Bytram
[02:43:48] <Bytram> you're a little late, this is Nov =)
[02:43:52] <chromas> also may be able to get an admin to dump the json file for it
[02:43:55] <crutchy> Gravis, i'm using a debian virtual machine on a windows 7 laptop
[02:44:26] <Ethanol-fueled> !quote 250
[02:44:26] <Bender> Quote 250 - <idetuxs> that feels good
[02:44:31] <crutchy> windows is ok, but it sucks for php
[02:44:35] <Ethanol-fueled> !quote 1000
[02:44:35] <Bender> Can't find quote 1000
[02:44:44] <chromas> !quote -1
[02:44:45] <Bender> Quote -1 - <crutchy> she could grab my pen-like thing
[02:44:51] <Gravis> php sucks for everyone else. :P
[02:44:54] <Ethanol-fueled> !quote 91
[02:44:54] <Bender> Quote 91 - <michealpwalls> I was all ".. whatevs, I'll try it. I'm platform agnostic!"
[02:45:22] <Bytram> !quote -5
[02:45:22] <Bender> Quote -5 - <BadCoderFinger> The bot only picks on you because it secretly likes you.
[02:45:33] <crutchy> Gravis, php is like a condom... nobody likes it but everyone uses it
[02:45:48] <chromas> inb4 "that's not true…"
[02:45:58] * chromas has never inb4'd
[02:46:13] <chromas> that makes be an 'inb4' virgin
[02:46:23] * crutchy touches chromas
[02:46:38] * Ethanol-fueled shits himself in dusgust at the mere mention of PHP
[02:47:22] <chromas> they make you learn java but not php?
[02:47:23] <crutchy> meh it works
[02:47:38] <crutchy> its closer to c than a lot of other languages
[02:47:47] * chromas forces oop into crutchy's pocket
[02:48:07] * crutchy fires his delphi cannon at chromas :D
[02:48:27] <Gravis> java is a misfortune that was cast upon everyone
[02:49:06] <crutchy> java programmers are donating to ellis's next yacht
[02:49:19] <crutchy> cos the one he has isn't big enough
[02:49:41] <Bytram> !grab crutchy
[02:49:41] <Bender> Added quote 587
[02:49:43] <Gravis> well duh. you can never have a yacht that's large enough
[02:49:53] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, PHP embodies the worst of C-like aspects - namely shoting yourself in the foot and not knowing what the fucks going on .
[02:50:11] <crutchy> you can shoot yourself in the foot with any language
[02:50:23] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, I know...but PHP makes it much easier.
[02:50:40] <crutchy> knowing how to avoid shooting yourself in the foot is what separates the men from the boys :p
[02:50:48] <Gravis> yeah... but java is like an automatic weapon with a broken safety
[02:51:12] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, or being too lazy to debug all goddamn day.
[02:51:20] <crutchy> oop in most scripting languages is a surefire way to shoot yourself in the foot
[02:52:03] <Gravis> scripting languages are a surefire way to open security holes
[02:52:28] <crutchy> most security holes are still caused by xss and sql injection
[02:52:42] <Ethanol-fueled> is PHP a scripting language? From the Half-assery of how it works in practice, it ought to be considered one.
[02:52:46] <Gravis> both are scripting issues
[02:53:17] <crutchy> at least PHP promotes the use of prepared sql statements
[02:53:28] <Ethanol-fueled> I said it before and I'll say it again - web programming like watching 4 blind guys try to rape each other in an alley.
[02:53:29] * Bytram wonders what gravis thinks makes a language a 'scripting language'
[02:54:13] <Gravis> Bytram: if a person can read it and executes, it's a script
[02:54:37] <crutchy> damn. my delphi programs are all scripts!
[02:54:40] <Bytram> so, in light of that definition, what is COBOL?
[02:54:41] <Ethanol-fueled> Gravis, so C is a "scripting language," then?
[02:54:43] <crutchy> damn compiler tricked me!
[02:55:04] <Gravis> Bytram: still unsavory!
[02:55:42] <crutchy> to be fair the boundary between compiled programs and scripts is getting more blurred with jit and other performance enhancements
[02:55:52] <Bytram> I didn't say anything about savory, but according to your definition, is COBOL a scripting language or not?
[02:56:25] <crutchy> even pascal programs can be run as scripts with freepascal interpreter
[02:57:02] <crutchy> so prolly depends less on the language and more on the infrastructure used to process it
[02:57:14] <crutchy> is it compiled or interpreted?
[02:57:21] <Gravis> Bytram: i'm under the impression it's compiled and executes on it's own
[02:57:22] <Bytram> note that 'scripting language' does not necessarily imply interpreted or compiled
[02:57:41] <crutchy> what's your take on the distinction Bytram?
[02:57:56] <Gravis> Bytram: i disagree with
[02:57:59] <Gravis> that
[02:58:12] <Bytram> and what does compiling have to do with it? that's just an *implementation* of the *language*; e.g. BASIC can be interpretted or compiled.
[02:58:19] <crutchy> true
[02:58:35] <crutchy> so what does make a scripting language then?
[02:58:49] <Bytram> and crutchy raises a fair point about JIT
[02:59:01] <Bytram> crutchy: ask Gravis who broughtit up
[02:59:07] <crutchy> oh
[02:59:13] <Gravis> Bytram: while that is a fair point, you can argue that a red light means go because in some places it does
[02:59:29] <crutchy> red light means go faster :p
[02:59:48] <Bytram> last I knew we were not talking about traffic lights -- back to your definition of scripting language... what IS it?
[02:59:48] <crutchy> only straight after orange though
[02:59:49] <Gravis> no, JIT is dynamic recompilation
[03:00:36] <Gravis> meaning you are emulating a machine that would run the code natively
[03:00:42] <Bytram> and an interpreter does not dynamically interpret / translate source code into action?
[03:01:23] <crutchy> i think he's implying that JIT is still scripting. maybe its only not scripting if you execute a natively compiled program from the get-go?
[03:01:41] <Bytram> you man from the JIT-go? =)
[03:01:43] <crutchy> that would sorta make sense to me
[03:02:05] <Bytram> d/man/mean/
[03:02:07] <Bytram> s/man/mean/
[03:02:07] <sedctl> <Bytram> d/mean/mean/
[03:02:13] <Gravis> crutchy: no, JIT is dynamic recompilation. it's native... just not on your machine.
[03:02:15] <Bytram> you mean from the JIT-go? =)
[03:02:18] <crutchy> i tend to think of scripting as using an interpreter to execute code, rather than executing a program directly
[03:02:28] <crutchy> so like 'php myscript.php'
[03:02:41] <crutchy> rather than ./myprogram.exe
[03:02:55] <crutchy> hehe mixed operating systems there :p
[03:03:27] <crutchy> delphi programs aren't scripts cos i don't need delphi to execute them
[03:03:31] <juggs> script is run via an interpreter when called upon, JIT compilation is not far off from that, it is called upon, complied and run as binary on demand. Semantic difference but JIT means you can offload the interpretation / compilation to a client side environment. Or something like that.
[03:03:48] <Ethanol-fueled> Well, with any modern interpreted language, you could run it in the line or wrap it all up and run it as a .exe or .jar
[03:04:10] <crutchy> Ethanol-fueled, yeah that's why it gets a bit gray
[03:04:35] <crutchy> as in the pascal thing, where you could compile it or interpret it
[03:05:26] <crutchy> pascal is normally not considered a scripting language. /me points at freepascal devs for muddying pascal's reputation with their scripting mud!!
[03:05:27] <juggs> the question is - where is the compilation and execution happening? client or server?
[03:06:04] <crutchy> dunno if that matters juggs
[03:06:10] <crutchy> i'm running exec locally
[03:06:26] <Ethanol-fueled> it matters if the environment is compromised.
[03:06:52] <Ethanol-fueled> and after Snowden broke the leaks, we discovered that JAVA is compromised.
[03:06:59] <crutchy> client-server is normally more secure
[03:07:23] <crutchy> harder to fuck up a server than a client
[03:07:34] <crutchy> well, normally
[03:07:42] <crutchy> unless the server admin is a moron
[03:10:16] <juggs> lol... really? TalkTalk (UK ISP) appear to have shed a load of customer info via an SQL injection lately. Seriously - 2015... SQL injection. Stored procs anyone? User input sanitisation anyone? There's libraries for this kind of crud yet it keeps happening.
[03:10:42] <Ethanol-fueled> Don't tip 'em off, juggs.
[03:11:01] <crutchy> as much as everyone focuses on things like shellshock etc... servers are still much more likely to be pwned by simple xss or sql injection
[03:11:34] <crutchy> which isn't really overly langauge specific
[03:11:37] <Ethanol-fueled> would you say that was because of legacy code?
[03:11:50] <crutchy> just a lot of scripters seem to refuse to use prepared statements :/
[03:12:00] <crutchy> or they use shitty frameworks
[03:12:43] <crutchy> even SN prolly doesn't use prepared sql statements
[03:13:36] <crutchy> Ethanol-fueled, yeah prolly a lot of legacy code too
[03:14:12] <Ethanol-fueled> Yup.
[03:14:16] <chromas> legacy-minded devs
[03:15:04] * chromas runs off to copy/paste bits of code from the internet
[03:15:11] <Ethanol-fueled> chromas, that is incorrect. Don't blame the devs. Blame the people who insist on using legacy code for cost-cutting reasons.
[03:15:12] <juggs> Ethanol-fueled, I tried tipping them off when I worked for them, then they made me redundant.... the two may or may not be correlated. I have no involvement in the TT dump but can't say I am surprised given the number of very skilled people they shed a few years back.
[03:16:08] <chromas> Ethanol-fueled: we've known for decades than in-band signaling == security holes waiting to happen
[03:16:35] <crutchy> what's in-band signaling?
[03:16:58] <crutchy> is that where a jock strap is penetrated?
[03:17:01] <Bytram> <p>this is a paragraph.</p>
[03:17:07] <Bytram> the <p> and the </p> are in-band
[03:17:12] <crutchy> oh
[03:17:15] <chromas> i guess sql would be kind of the opposite of that. it's where you have your signals mixed in with the data
[03:17:15] <Bytram> =)
[03:17:43] <crutchy> still a lot of terminology for me to learn
[03:18:11] <Ethanol-fueled> FTBP is an example of out of band signaling, because the data and control lines are separate.
[03:18:12] <chromas> You only need to learn a little and then you can use it to trash talk other people's projects and look like you know your shit :D
[03:18:16] <crutchy> prepared statements separate the data from the signals
[03:18:17] <Bytram> but,m the fact that you know that you don't know bodes well for you
[03:18:57] <chromas> crutchy: right. prepared statements good. naps—I mean uh, traditional sql bad!
[03:19:11] <crutchy> naps are good
[03:19:14] <crutchy> naps++
[03:19:14] <Bender> karma - naps: 31
[03:19:25] <chromas> #yt napster bad
[03:19:52] * crutchy smakes MrPlow
[03:19:55] <chromas> #youtube napster bad
[03:19:56] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[03:20:29] <juggs> I do chuckle about the hand wringing over "was it encrypted or not" - what relevance would that have if the presentation server with the key to unlock and display the data was compromised? None. Just another circus as the IPB appears in the UK.
[03:20:48] <crutchy> there's a lot of security theatre
[03:21:00] <Ethanol-fueled> Good Evening, Gentlemen. Brain == fried.
[03:21:32] <crutchy> cheers Ethanol-fueled. veg out mate :D
[03:22:08] <crutchy> hmm. do americans know about vegging out? i assume its universally understood
[03:22:13] * Ethanol-fueled dematerialises into a backflip cloud of brown mist
[03:22:23] <crutchy> can't be too careful with slang nowadays
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[03:22:50] <chromas> crutchy: sure, it's what we do when our jerbs are offshored
[03:22:56] <crutchy> lol
[03:22:56] <chromas> instead of going and doing something about it
[03:23:17] <crutchy> vegging out is what i do when i get home from work
[03:23:27] <crutchy> after vegging out at work :p
[03:23:30] <chromas> irc is a subset of vegging out
[03:23:43] <crutchy> true that
[03:23:44] <chromas> also circlejerking
[03:23:53] <crutchy> circlejerking is very veg
[03:24:03] <crutchy> circlejerking++
[03:24:03] <Bender> karma - circlejerking: 1
[03:24:13] <Bytram> vitameatavegemix ??
[03:24:21] <Bytram> or someting like that
[03:24:21] <juggs> lol the crutchy & chromas circus rolled in to town :D
[03:24:38] <juggs> Prefer Bovril myself... good on toast :)
[03:24:49] <crutchy> vegemite-on-vita-what
[03:24:57] <crutchy> vegemite-on-vita-wheat
[03:25:01] <Bytram> vitameatavegemin
[03:25:29] <crutchy> we need to invite tama into this channel for some culture :p
[03:27:06] * crutchy gives chromas a vitameatavegemin
[03:28:06] <chromas> =nick Deucalion
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[03:28:07] Deucalion is now known as SoyGuest39825
[03:28:08] <chromas> :D
[03:28:10] <chromas> aw
[03:28:13] <crutchy> * chromas is now carrying a vitameatavegemin
[03:28:21] <crutchy> wow that was quick
[03:28:42] <crutchy> i thought 15 sec was quick, but that was virtually instantaneous
[03:28:55] <crutchy> juggs must be able to type very fast
[03:29:33] <chromas> he is all powerful
[03:29:35] * chromas bows
[03:29:43] <chromas> heil jiggler!
[03:29:45] * crutchy drops the soap
[03:30:12] <chromas> (the almost-rhyme was unintentional)
[03:30:46] * chromas steals crutchy's soap. haha!
[03:30:51] * crutchy busts chromas' rhyme
[03:30:57] <chromas> now you know why you shouldn't drop the soap!
[03:31:25] <crutchy> because soap is a shit framework?
[03:31:33] <chromas> someone will steal it
[03:32:14] * crutchy uses dove soap, which apparently isn;t a soap but they still market it as soap which isn't confusing at all
[03:32:18] <chromas> Saw a documentary about napster on netflix. it wasn't as terrible as the modem-noise-based opening was leading me to believe
[03:32:30] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[03:32:37] * Bytram|away is exhausted and heading to bed
[03:32:42] <chromas> nightram
[03:32:45] <crutchy> ~gnight Bytram|away
[03:32:46] * exec suspiciously drops a cheap plastic cup of coffee++ on Bytram|away
[03:32:46] <Bytram|away> g'night everbody!
[03:32:51] <Bytram|away> :P
[03:33:06] SoyGuest39825 is now known as P
[03:33:15] * crutchy plays van halen air guitar for Bytram|away
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[03:44:37] <crutchy> RIP aqu4... we hope and pray that aqu5 will make you proud
[03:47:12] * crutchy has to bail out soon to go visit the folks
[03:47:26] <crutchy> mums_cooking++
[03:47:26] <Bender> karma - mums_cooking: 1
[03:48:51] <crutchy> apparently there is a walla walla in australia too
[03:48:59] <crutchy> https://en.wikipedia.org
[03:49:00] <leeroooooyy> ^ 03Wiki: Walla Walla, New South Wales
[03:49:30] <chromas> it's tiny
[03:49:53] <chromas> looks like they copied our sky too
[03:53:28] <crutchy> your walla walla is bigger than the so called 'city' where i live
[03:54:13] <crutchy> traralgon has about 24,000'ish apparently. i guess they're prolly similar size
[03:54:42] <crutchy> though traralgon and morwell are kinda almost like one town, which would prolly make it bigger
[03:58:15] <crutchy> walla walla looks pretty big on google maps though
[03:59:17] <chromas> plus we're next to a river shaped like a giant boob
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[03:59:54] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahahah.
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[04:10:09] * chromas zooms in on crutchy's house
[04:16:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Vampire Bat Robot Uses its Wings for Walking - http://sylnt.us - no-bloodsucking
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[04:39:06] <crutchy_> 🎵 on the road again 🎶
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[04:40:29] <crutchy_> noooooo!
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[04:48:33] <chromas> hm, cherrymusic hogging all the cpu doing nothing :(
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[05:39:40] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[05:39:41] <leeroooooyy> ^ 03Green Jello - House Me Teenage Rave - YouTube
[05:40:22] <Ethanol-fueled> Haaaaaaa, you bloody bastids. \
[05:44:22] <Ethanol-fueled> Always did wonna cornhole me a blind bitch.
[05:51:44] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[05:51:45] <leeroooooyy> ^ 03The Toxic Avenger Kills Bozo and Slug - YouTube
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[08:19:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Europe Sets Out Three Month Timetable to Seal New Data-Transfer Deal With U.S. - http://sylnt.us - let's-get-it-right-this-time
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[11:20:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:20:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1845
[11:20:50] <crutchy> coffee++
[11:20:50] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1846
[11:25:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin
[11:25:19] <crutchy> evenin'
[11:25:31] * crutchy is getting retro with some boyz II men
[11:25:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, man, i forgot how much fun learning programming was as a kid.
[11:26:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> roomie's kids spent half an hour insulting each other changing the words to hello world last evening.
[11:26:27] <crutchy> haha
[11:26:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> "my sister's gas tank is always full"
[11:27:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> to be fair, he ain't far wrong. that is the fartingest girl child i ever did see.
[11:27:21] <crutchy> my young bloke is 7 and he can make himself laugh by exchanging one word in any sentence to butt or fart
[11:27:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, i think that might still work with me at 40
[11:28:37] * crutchy gets a lot of laughs out of the stupidity of the mostly automated interactions between exec, ciri and tama in #
[11:29:35] <crutchy> <ciri> That deer butt gave me relief
[11:29:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> now i gotta learn me some more java so's i can keep his lil brain busy
[11:29:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> nice
[11:29:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> afk a sec
[11:30:44] <chromas> [fart-related java insult]
[11:31:40] <crutchy> ~say <#> tama, java is what came out of larry ellison's butt after a coffee
[11:37:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> good ole coffee
[11:38:19] * chromas hunts around for nostalgia on netflix. all the old nick toons are gone
[11:38:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> bah, commie bastards
[11:39:21] <chromas> seems like it's turning into hulu
[11:39:31] <chromas> bunch of stuff nobody's heard of or wants to watch.
[11:40:35] <chromas> has 7 different star trek series though
[11:43:31] * crutchy saw some new star wars cartoon on free-to-air tv this evening
[11:43:47] <crutchy> dunno if it was new, but i never seen it before
[11:43:57] <crutchy> it wasn't clone wars but similar animation
[11:44:27] <chromas> there was a Clones Wars and also a The Clone Wars
[11:44:32] <chromas> one was 2d
[11:44:48] <chromas> probably many more.
[11:44:55] <crutchy> i saw the name of it but i cant remember. wasn't anything related to clone wars
[11:45:03] <chromas> that's a shock
[11:45:09] <crutchy> lol
[11:45:15] <crutchy> young bloke knew it though
[11:45:27] <chromas> actually I think disney recently came out with a new toon
[11:47:27] <crutchy> it was star wars rebels
[11:47:29] <crutchy> https://au.tv.yahoo.com
[11:47:31] <leeroooooyy> ^ 037mate TV Guide - Australian TV Guide - Yahoo7 TV
[11:47:46] <crutchy> they played a string of episodes
[11:50:09] <chromas> arrested_development++
[11:50:09] <Bender> karma - arrested_development: 3
[11:50:19] <chromas> watch out for hop-ons. your's gonna get hop-ons
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[12:15:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> ye gads, i forgot how much i dislike strongly or even semi-strongly typed languages
[12:15:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> perl hath spoiled me
[12:19:43] <chromas> don't care for typecasting eh
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[12:24:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, i can not conceive of any instance where i would ever care about the difference between an array of characters and a string.
[12:25:13] <chromas> yeah
[12:25:17] <chromas> is that javar?
[12:25:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[12:25:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly some simple method to convert em but dafuck do i care?
[12:26:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> well guess i gotta care since i gotta learn enough to get a kid started.
[12:26:57] <chromas> teach 'im perl 6 :D
[12:28:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> fux dat. even java got better docs
[12:28:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> sides, he wants to program minecraft mods
[12:28:44] <chromas> [raspberry]
[12:28:58] <chromas> he could make his own minecraft in perl with just one regex
[12:30:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly true
[12:31:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'all good. at least java got docs. anything with docs i can become an expert in quick enough.
[12:32:59] <chromas> you could make a minecraft mod that accesses sn through your api
[12:33:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, that'd be fairly easy.
[12:55:34] <chromas> http://www.wired.com
[12:55:35] <leeroooooyy> ^ 03CIA Email Hackers Return With Major Law Enforcement Breach | WIRED
[13:29:21] <cmn32480|away> coffee++
[13:29:21] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1847
[13:29:30] <cmn32480|away> back to the shed roof
[14:24:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Why Johnny Still Can't Encrypt: Evaluating the Usability of a Modern PGP Client - http://sylnt.us - Wbuaal-qbrf-abg-rira-haqrefgnaq-EBG13
[14:39:09] <SirFinkus> http://consumerist.com
[14:39:10] <leeroooooyy> ^ 03Homeowner Goes Away For 8 Months, Returns To Find Town Has Demolished His House – Consumerist
[14:39:20] <SirFinkus> a little arthur dent maybe
[14:40:12] <SirFinkus> "Besides, officials said, they made every attempt to contact the homeowner about its impending doom, following “all proper procedures” and notifying him with repeated registered letters dating back to last October. The house was torn down in May."
[14:40:29] <SirFinkus> plans on public display in the basement
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[14:51:19] <ohcamacj> lol @ dept for pgp article
[14:51:34] <ohcamacj> Wbuaal-qbrf-abg-rira-haqrefgnaq-EBG13 =>
[14:51:41] <ohcamacj> Wbuaal-qbrf-abg-rira-haqrefgnaq-EBG13
[14:51:56] <ohcamacj> Johnny-does-not-even-understand-ROT13
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[17:56:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - LA'S New Streetlamps Will Keep Cell Service Running After an Earthquake - http://sylnt.us - maybe
[18:57:14] <nick> ahoy
[18:57:38] <SirFinkus> lo nick
[18:58:43] <nick> how goes SirFinkus
[18:58:50] <SirFinkus> pretty good
[19:00:39] <nick> was going to start work on a journal, but the queue is low and it's been a couple weeks since i did anything useful around here
[19:04:04] <SirFinkus> it's been like 2 years since I did anything useful around here
[19:08:43] <nick> but the value of your contributions to the community through your vibrant character and unparalleled charisma cannot be measured.
[19:09:04] <swiss> SirFinkus: i have a beautiful k31 as well
[19:09:11] <swiss> its all the beautiful
[19:09:23] <SirFinkus> my friend has one, great fun to shoot
[19:09:30] <swiss> hurt like hell to shoot
[19:09:58] <SirFinkus> seemed about the same as other similar rifles to me
[19:10:28] <swiss> i haven't shot many other rifles 7.5 and larger
[19:10:46] <swiss> i get the ammo for cheap from the swiss govt, so i shoot the k31
[19:11:09] <SirFinkus> that's damn nice ammo too
[19:13:12] <chromas> https://www.change.org
[19:13:13] <leeroooooyy> ^ 03Petition · United Nations: Phil Collins must be stopped · Change.org
[19:15:26] * nick assumes the UN will spend more time coming up with a clever response to that, as a pr move to show how cool they are, rather than working on anything actually important
[19:27:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Get a Whiff of This: Man Hasn't Showered in 12 Years - http://sylnt.us - p-u
[19:34:14] <nick> im not going to RTFA but the summary makes it seem quite idiotic
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[20:46:34] <Gravis> it's also old news
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[20:47:31] <Gravis> i looked at the product and you have to spray your body twice a day with an aerosol can
[20:47:50] <Gravis> the spray also costs $50 per can
[20:48:02] <Ethanol-fueled> Gravis, are you talking about that anti-stink spray?
[20:48:56] <Gravis> as far as i can tell, the "good bacteria" can't reproduce at all
[20:49:40] <Ethanol-fueled> I don't believe that at all.
[20:49:46] <nick> i did rtfa in the end, and made a comment. it seems to have no practical application. unless you really hate water for some reason.
[20:50:19] <Ethanol-fueled> stinking is the natural state of man.
[20:50:32] <Ethanol-fueled> to claim that not stinking is the natural state is hogwash.
[20:50:49] <Ethanol-fueled> and, finally, another stereotypically stinky engineer.
[20:51:04] <nick> people can do and will smell, but the guy appears to be trying to prove washing isnt necessary
[20:51:19] <nick> in order to sell some manufactured spray, because reasons.
[20:51:30] <Ethanol-fueled> heheh
[20:53:14] <nick> getting a bunch of those kfc moist towelettes would be more practical.
[20:55:45] <Ethanol-fueled> It's a riduckulous effort just to avoid showering.
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[20:59:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mass Mobilization To Stop The TPP Announced - http://sylnt.us - just-say-no
[21:01:20] <Gravis> nick: actually what he's trying to do is change how people deal with bacteria because using soap will eventually lead to soap resistant bacteria
[21:02:32] <Gravis> nick: i think he would be better off it he made a soap replacement that was actually filled with "good bacteria"
[21:03:30] <nick> that could be better. hand sanitizer has been around for a while, and the best thing to do is just not use soap and deodorant.
[21:03:55] <Gravis> when we manage to figure out proper genetic engineering, we'll be able to make a bacteria that will only reproduce X times and if a mutation happens, it will self destruct
[21:05:56] <nick> people smelling better probably not high on the list of genetic engineering priorities though
[21:06:08] <chromas> what about non-antibacterial soap?
[21:06:38] <Gravis> chromas: umm... you mean water?
[21:06:50] <chromas> I mean plain soap
[21:07:05] <Gravis> /facepalm
[21:07:07] <chromas> bonds with oil and removes it in water
[21:07:10] <nick> water++
[21:07:10] <Bender> karma - water: 25
[21:07:55] <chromas> water++
[21:07:55] <Bender> karma - water: 26
[21:08:05] * chromas showers in bleach
[21:08:19] <Gravis> chromas: well... eventually with you will wind up with bacteria that reproduce like crazy because the mutate to digest the stuff
[21:08:31] <Gravis> chromas: it will be like rocket fuel for them
[21:09:21] <chromas> 3,000 years of soap use seems to indicate otherwise
[21:09:40] <chromas> oh, or did you mean the bleach?
[21:09:54] <Gravis> nick: the "smelling bad" thing isn't the issue. the issue is fighting bacteria
[21:09:54] <chromas> use bleach for awhile, then switch to an acid
[21:10:28] * chromas pops the caps off a car battery
[21:10:44] <Gravis> chromas: 3000 years? come back in 3 million years. -_-
[21:10:56] <alexbst> bacteria love most soap now
[21:11:17] <Gravis> alexbst: that figures
[21:11:17] <chromas> if we haven't killed ourselves off by then, I'm sure we'll've come up with something different
[21:11:17] <alexbst> but soap is more for grease/dead skin, I'd guess ?
[21:11:47] <Gravis> chromas: yeah... our own bacteria.
[21:11:54] <alexbst> we need our bacteria to live
[21:11:56] <alexbst> lol
[21:12:11] <Gravis> chromas: but we'll have a fancy name like... nanobots!
[21:12:22] <chromas> nanomachines, son
[21:12:28] <Gravis> whatever
[21:12:34] <chromas> mgr reference
[21:12:50] <Gravis> whatever
[21:13:20] <chromas> Gravis++ # too cool for rejoinders
[21:13:20] <Bender> karma - gravis: 2
[21:13:47] <Gravis> chromas: the point is that this is the solution, we just need to perfect it
[21:14:05] <chromas> nanobots or genetic engineering?
[21:14:06] <chromas> or both
[21:14:13] <chromas> genetic engineering nanobots
[21:15:06] <Gravis> microbes are nanobots
[21:15:57] <chromas> yeah but can they run linux?
[21:16:20] <chromas> or spy on behalf of whatever replaces the nsa?
[21:16:28] <Gravis> chromas: with proper reengineering they could
[21:18:56] <Gravis> unfortunately, our current idea of genetic engineering is adding a couple instructions to the program/DNA and seeing what changes
[21:20:31] <chromas> can't go too fast or we'd have moral outrage like with psychology experiments
[21:21:40] <Gravis> chromas: oh please. psychology exeriments are so macro science.
[21:22:16] <Gravis> chromas: this is like going from math to programming
[21:22:27] <Gravis> chemistry to genetic engineering
[21:23:23] <chromas> well, we can't just line up hundreds of kids and see how they grow up after making half of them watch a murder or something
[21:24:39] <Gravis> chromas: it fails the scientific method because of so many uncontrolled variables
[21:25:07] <chromas> yeah. and we can't do anything about that because people would frown
[21:25:48] <Gravis> chromas: the issue is that you are experimenting on humans. few are outraged by experimenting on bacteria.
[21:26:13] <Gravis> literally, there is probably 3 people that are angry about the ethics of it.
[21:26:26] <Gravis> you know... because humans.
[21:26:58] <chromas> I guess, as long as you stay with the bacteria and don't switch to humans after awhile
[21:28:14] <Gravis> chromas: we understand how DNA works completely and understand what our own genome does, it will no longer be an issue
[21:28:26] <Gravis> when we*
[22:03:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> teaching a kid variables and while loops: accomplished
[22:30:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Thyssenkrupp Unveils Model of the MULTI, a Vertical Mass Transit System - http://sylnt.us - multipass
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[22:44:22] <alexbst> awesome TheMightyBuzzard
[22:44:34] <alexbst> if I have kids, I will force them to work in the terminal for a while :-)
[22:45:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. got a book on minecraft mod building for him but it didn't go through enough basics before jumping into modding, so i learned myself some java to teach him.
[22:46:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> i figure if he can use variables, methods, and a loop or two, he can do most anything though.
[22:52:48] <alexbst> yup
[22:53:19] <alexbst> my dad never even used a computer, so I had to teach myself
[22:53:44] <alexbst> by some miracle my mom has been on ubuntu for about a decade ;)
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