#Soylent | Logs for 2015-10-30

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[00:00:44] <chromas> prickled pickle
[00:01:50] <Yog-Yogguth> lol chromas
[00:01:57] <SpallsHurgenson> http://arstechnica.com Microsoft doubles down: "they hated us when we did this by accident, so let's do it on purpose now!"
[00:01:58] <GW> ^ 03Windows 10 will be made an automatic “recommended” update early next year | Ars Technica
[00:02:28] <SpallsHurgenson> I swear, I think Microsoft is getting jealous of all the bad publicity google and apple are getting and is trying anything to get in the news again
[00:02:58] <SpallsHurgenson> I know they say any publicitiy is good publicity, but that doesn't mean you AIM for bad publicity, Microsoft!
[00:06:16] <Yog-Yogguth> I don't think they care really, they'e learned they can do anything at all
[00:07:07] <Yog-Yogguth> do/get away with
[00:07:26] <takyon> ok let me parse this headline
[00:07:45] <takyon> wasn't this beign done to some Win machines in the previous weeks?
[00:07:56] <takyon> Windows 10 accidentally being installed
[00:08:00] <SpallsHurgenson> yes, but supposedly by accident
[00:08:06] <SpallsHurgenson> they miscoded some update or something
[00:08:11] <SpallsHurgenson> now they intend to do it on purpose
[00:08:19] <takyon> they liked the outcry so much
[00:08:43] * Deucalion checks out, must sleep. Be well, stay feisty!
[00:08:58] <SpallsHurgenson> takyon: I think they did
[00:09:01] <Yog-Yogguth> cya :)
[00:10:25] <SpallsHurgenson> their "solution" for people who don't want windows10 is to turn off automatic updates
[00:11:06] <SpallsHurgenson> in other words, they are pretty much admitting they've given up on using WU as a method to help users secure their machines are are just going to use it to push their own wares
[00:12:03] <takyon> when is the Windows 7 end of life
[00:12:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> ack, i have just stunk myself out of my own room. smoke break while the air clears.
[00:12:34] <SpallsHurgenson> Jan 2020
[00:12:38] <takyon> I have no doubt they will extend the 1 year free upgrade from Windows 7 to 10 to "forever"
[00:12:41] <Yog-Yogguth> maybe MS has discovered a flaw so big that they can only force people to Win10 :P
[00:13:13] <SpallsHurgenson> the flaw is "we aren't making enough money from win7 users" :)
[00:13:16] <takyon> Jan 2020 sounds a little soon since XP wasn't that long ago, but I guess that had been extended multiple times
[00:13:21] <Yog-Yogguth> likely :)
[00:14:36] <SpallsHurgenson> winxp was a fluke that MS does not want to repeat
[00:15:04] <Bytram> *chirp* *chirp*
[00:15:29] <SpallsHurgenson> give customers such a good product that they become satisfied customers does not necessarily mean they become repeat customers... they just stay with the original, good product
[00:15:58] <SpallsHurgenson> (I know, I know... saying "XP" and "good product" causes me pain too :)
[00:16:44] <Yog-Yogguth> XP made me quit windows
[00:16:53] <Bytram> well, to be fair, I remember when XP first came out... 'good product' was NOT a phrase I saw used!
[00:17:25] <Yog-Yogguth> "chewing gum" was used a lot
[00:17:32] <SpallsHurgenson> was the phrase you used "What the hell is this fisher price toy OS?" :)
[00:17:42] <Yog-Yogguth> "looks like candy"
[00:20:23] <SpallsHurgenson> mind you, for all its (many, many) flaws XP was a capable OS and its longevity was well deserved
[00:22:29] * Yog-Yogguth burns it with napalm :)
[00:23:47] <Bytram> lol
[00:27:41] <Yog-Yogguth> this sounds a bit Terminator until one gets to the part about stabilizers on both sides :3 https://www.rt.com
[00:27:43] <GW> ^ 03‘Created to surpass you’: Humanoid bike-riding robot unveiled (VIDEO) — RT News
[00:29:01] <Bytram> 'stabilizers' ?? You mean... training wheels?!!!?!
[00:29:08] <Yog-Yogguth> yeah...
[00:29:29] <Bytram> does not sound so amazing when you put it THAT way!
[00:30:04] <Yog-Yogguth> on the other hand it's going to be hard to tip it over :(
[00:32:28] <takyon> robots on bikes. bet they can go uphill better than I can
[00:34:21] <Yog-Yogguth> stairs & ladders are the future :3
[00:35:07] * SpallsHurgenson chants mechanically, "Elevate! Elevate! ELEVATE!"
[00:35:13] <Yog-Yogguth> :D
[00:35:26] <Bytram> and super ultra Acme® magnets
[00:35:42] <Yog-Yogguth> and maybe vats of glue
[00:35:54] <Bytram> Beep! Beep!
[00:36:05] <Yog-Yogguth> hehe
[00:36:18] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm surprised by how many US companies legitimatly call themselves Acme
[00:36:31] <SpallsHurgenson> you'd think 50 years of roadrunner cartoons would have taught them better :)
[00:36:39] <Yog-Yogguth> true :)
[00:36:42] <Bytram> nod nod -- you do realize it *is* an actual word, right?
[00:36:50] <takyon> no, no I don't
[00:37:02] <SpallsHurgenson> yes I do
[00:37:10] <Yog-Yogguth> what does it mean?
[00:37:11] <Bytram> acme == pinacle, top, apex, numero uno, etc.
[00:37:27] <Yog-Yogguth> huh
[00:37:35] <Bytram> =)
[00:37:43] <SpallsHurgenson> but I also realize that millions of Americans first learn that Acme means "that company where the coyote buys all his crappy equipment from" :)
[00:38:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[00:38:18] <GW> ^ 03The Great Divide - Wile E. Coyote - YouTube
[00:39:09] <Bytram> the stuff wasn't *that* crappy,it was the operator that had, umm, problems with the design/implementation
[00:39:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> man even physics had it in for poor ole Wile E.
[00:41:38] <Bytram> as implausible as some of the concocted situations were, they were especially hilarious after I'd completed my first semester of college physics wht with conservation of momentum, cons of angular rotation, speed of sound/light, etc.
[00:42:10] <Yog-Yogguth> nice song TheMightyBuzzard
[00:42:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup, i digs it. it's put me firmly in the Coyote camp.
[00:55:44] <SirFinkus> just my luck
[00:55:55] <SirFinkus> I just won something on steam in a raffle, but it's something I already own
[00:56:42] <takyon> wooho
[00:57:08] <SpallsHurgenson> awww, I wanna win something that I already own on steam!
[00:58:27] <Bytram> can you trade it with someone else who has something that they won in a raffle that they already own that you do not alrady own?
[00:58:36] * TheMightyBuzzard pulls a completely random nick out of irc and awards SpallsHurgenson a free pair of pants.
[01:00:52] <SirFinkus> naw, gave it to a friend
[01:01:20] <Bytram> very noice of you!
[01:03:24] <Bytram> time for a break; biab
[01:09:33] <Bytram> back
[01:12:27] <Yog-Yogguth> same here, cya :)
[01:15:23] <Bytram> any pink floyd fans here?
[01:15:33] <Bytram> 'collect call for ???'
[01:15:49] <SpallsHurgenson> I listen to them but never could figure out: which one was pink? :)
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[01:17:23] <cmn32480> good eevening
[01:17:37] <Bytram> cmn32480: yo! how's things?
[01:17:51] <cmn32480> rollin... downhill
[01:17:54] <cmn32480> you?
[01:18:25] <Bytram> good. had the day off and took a nice nap
[01:18:32] <Bytram> amazingly awake, now.
[01:18:34] * cmn32480 sighs wistfully
[01:22:59] <SpallsHurgenson> why so full of wist today?
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[01:28:12] <Bytram> lol
[01:28:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Loose JLENS Balloon Causes Blackout - http://sylnt.us - can't-stop-giggling
[01:28:57] <SpallsHurgenson> the best response I saw to that story was just two words: Fled Zepplin
[01:31:24] <takyon> hhaahah
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[01:33:29] <SpallsHurgenson> I don't know, there was something endearing about a military balloon breaking free and leaving havoc in its path as it tried to escape to a more peaceful life. Very "Johny-5"
[01:34:15] <Bytram> LOL!
[01:34:24] <Bytram> it went AWOL?
[01:35:31] <SpallsHurgenson> a bit less endearing when I learned the balloon cost ~1.5 billion and it cost ~$20K / hour for each of the 2 fighter jets sent out to follow it...
[01:35:45] <Bytram> yoinks!
[01:35:54] <Bytram> billion with a 'b'?
[01:36:06] <SpallsHurgenson> (to be fair, the $2.8 billion pricetag was probably for the whole program, including development, training, maintenance, etc)
[01:36:42] <SpallsHurgenson> (but still, pretty pricey considering neither radar, uplinks nor balloons are particularly progressive technologies :)
[01:36:52] <takyon> airwol
[01:37:53] <takyon> anyone know about a good bluetooth mouse or headset?
[01:39:38] <Bytram> not here
[01:40:02] <Bytram> SpallsHurgenson: nod nod on the costs, but ISTR reading a story here that it was, in fact, not that effective?
[01:42:41] <SpallsHurgenson> mostly I see comments regarding how it didn't detect the postman's gyrocopter, but I don't think that's really that pertinent since a) the program is still in development (and thus wasn't tied into the defense net yet) and b) it had been taken down due to warnings of hurricane winds the day prior anyway
[01:43:18] <SpallsHurgenson> I mean, the basic concept is sound: loft a radar platform high up in the air and it can't help but see further than ground based installations
[01:43:59] <SpallsHurgenson> whether it would be more effective than a chain of ground based installations is outside my expertise :)
[01:45:34] <SpallsHurgenson> my understanding it was intended more for tactical deployment than as a strategic deterrent anyway
[01:48:56] <Bytram> otoh, up in the air and looking down, one has to deal with ground 'noise' that is not present when on the ground and looking up
[01:49:46] <SpallsHurgenson> poor little lost balloon... ended up deflated on the ground surrounded by local law enforcement "Don't move, we got ya surrounded!"
[01:51:24] <SpallsHurgenson> apparently Raytheon's "system" for handling the "extremely unlikely event" of the tether breaking was to send two Mach-capable jets after a slow-drifting aerostat :)
[02:00:37] <takyon> I wonder if they got billed for that
[02:00:39] <takyon> probably not
[02:01:28] <SpallsHurgenson> it was the military running the test; THEY lost the balloon :)
[02:01:51] <SpallsHurgenson> Raytheon gets a request to develop a stronger tether to replace the original
[02:02:12] <Bytram> roping them in, eh?
[02:02:58] <SpallsHurgenson> the balloon incident resulted in a lot of Skynet jokes but I have to wonder if Zerg Overlord jokes might not be more appropriate, given the 6800' tether it was dragging behind it...
[02:03:59] <Bytram> 1.2+ *miles* -- I can imagine that crossing some power lines
[02:04:14] <SpallsHurgenson> hence the huge power outages in Pennsylvania :)
[02:08:04] <SpallsHurgenson> must've made chasing after it in a jet a bit chancy too: balloon-on-F16 tentacle rape, anyone?
[02:10:21] <takyon> we require additional puns
[02:11:11] <SpallsHurgenson> don't get carried away; we don't want this topic to balloon out of all proportions. let's keep to the facts and avoid all the usual hot air.
[02:11:28] <Bytram> we can prolly string this along for a while
[02:11:39] <takyon> but it will hopefully deflate
[02:11:51] <Bytram> Pffft!
[02:11:59] <takyon> oh the humanity
[02:12:50] <cmn32480> I thoguht i"d just pop in on this discussion
[02:13:07] <Bytram> jumpin' jack flash it's a gas gas gas
[02:13:14] <SpallsHurgenson> I think we are drfting away from the main issue
[02:13:55] <Bytram> POP! goes the weasel/
[02:14:46] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, lighten up!
[02:15:35] <takyon> Project Loon picked a bad week to do PR
[02:15:36] <Bytram> Maw! It's a drone! Whar's my shotgun?
[02:17:11] <SpallsHurgenson> gonna need a mighty big shotgun; are flak cannons legal in PA?
[02:17:59] <Bytram> Estes rockets, G-engines, special payload?
[02:18:22] <SpallsHurgenson> can they reach 18,000 feet?
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[02:31:04] <Bytram> prolly not *that* high
[02:31:29] <Bytram> but 18k feet is well within the range of some 'amateur' rocket builders
[02:31:34] <Bytram> I think
[02:31:49] <Bytram> or, just use a 5kw laser
[02:31:53] <Bytram> zap!
[02:32:25] <SpallsHurgenson> mine are all attached to sharks; great against subs but awful against floating balloons :)
[02:32:48] <Bytram> lol
[02:33:23] <SpallsHurgenson> maybe I can get some of those amateurs to help me create rocket-powered sharks?
[02:36:50] <Bytram> open torpedo bay one; launch!
[02:37:05] * Bytram watches a shark sooming along at 100 moh
[02:37:28] <Bytram> but then what good is the laser?
[02:37:58] <SpallsHurgenson> the launching is easy; it's squeezing 2 tons of fish into the tube in the first place that's hard :)
[02:38:38] <SpallsHurgenson> Bytram: I have no idea why sharks have lasers; you'll have to ask evolution about that
[02:38:56] <Bytram> you got an email addy for that?
[02:39:31] <SpallsHurgenson> just a telephone number... you know, for a call of nature
[02:40:35] <SpallsHurgenson> not news, but still neat! http://videosift.com
[02:40:36] <GW> ^ 03Animated Movie Posters
[02:43:28] <Bytram> here's a BIG picture view/model of the universe: http://www.sciencedaily.com
[02:43:29] <GW> ^ 03Birth of universe modelled in one of largest cosmological simulations ever run -- ScienceDaily
[02:43:45] <Bytram> used 90% of the Titan supercomputer
[02:43:55] <Bytram> ok, break time
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[02:47:34] * SpallsHurgenson watches the motobot video and fails to be impressed; why make a humanoid robot to ride a motorcycle? why not just make an autonomous motorcycle?
[02:48:09] <Bytram|away> bewitching hour approaches -- time for me to hit the hay/
[02:48:29] * Bytram|away agrees with SpallsHurgenson -- instead of skynet, we cold call it ground-net?
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[02:57:14] <Ethanol-foolred> Looks you guys made it big -- Hillary Clinton HERSELF submitted a plea for help.
[03:05:43] <takyon> har har
[03:05:57] <takyon> shit what was I gonna tell you yesterday
[03:06:26] <takyon> oh, that I replied to your beerpost
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[03:18:08] <takyon> later
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[05:03:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Physicists Uncover Novel Phase of Matter - https://soylentnews.org - why-does-it-matter-it-is-writing-a-book
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[05:54:08] <Ethanol-fooled> run the Hillary story!
[05:54:46] <Ethanol-fooled> Meh, maybe not.
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[06:34:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How Hipsters May be Bringing Back Vintage Language - https://soylentnews.org - thou-art-a-wanker
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[06:42:17] <exec> 03logs.sylnt.us: error connecting
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[06:42:36] <exec> 03soylentnews.org:443: HTTP/1.1 200 OK
[06:58:12] <crutchy> ~isup logs.sylnt.us
[06:58:47] <crutchy> http://www.phonearena.com
[06:58:48] <GW> ^ 0318.4-inch Samsung Galaxy View tablet now official
[07:09:51] <crutchy> oh wow i'm apparently a couple of days behind
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[07:48:07] <ground> Just a heads up that sylnt.us seems to be having issues. Not sure if it's known but hangs at "HTTP request sent; waiting for response."
[08:05:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Telstra Claims 18-Month-Long First Dibs on Ideas Created in Hackathon - https://soylentnews.org - we-won't-steal-your-ideas-honest
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[10:13:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:13:51] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1806
[10:14:54] <alexbst> https://vimeo.com
[10:14:55] <GW> ^ 03The Forecloser on Vimeo
[10:31:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> ye gads they made the freaking bitpay api complex
[10:31:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> not any extra secure, mind you, just massively more complex
[10:37:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> sweet zombie jebus
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[11:07:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A Few Apple Stories to Argue About - https://soylentnews.org - half-eaten-fruit-strikes-again
[11:34:12] * TheMightyBuzzard smakes Bender just for good measure
[11:44:49] <SirFinkus> smacks, or snakes?
[11:44:57] <SirFinkus> the latter sounds disturbing
[11:49:26] <alexbst> http://www.socialmatter.net
[11:49:29] <GW> ^ 03Why the Left Despises Skilled Labor - Social Matter
[11:49:33] <alexbst> couple of other great articles on that site.
[11:49:46] <alexbst> http://www.socialmatter.net
[11:49:48] <GW> ^ 03How to Replace the Schooling Pattern - Social Matter
[11:49:49] <alexbst> etc
[11:50:45] <crutchy> ~isup sylnt.us
[11:51:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, smacks with a snake
[11:51:49] <crutchy> anyone know how to smake the sylnt.us apache/nginx?
[11:52:32] <SirFinkus> oh of course
[11:52:33] <SirFinkus> http://sourceforge.net
[11:52:34] <GW> ^ 03smake download | SourceForge.net
[11:52:42] <SirFinkus> apologies for the sourceforge link
[11:52:51] * crutchy smakes SirFinkus
[11:53:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, sorry, wouldn't even know what server it runs on
[11:53:31] <crutchy> poor Bender's stuck spitting out his rss urls
[11:54:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> also, got my head stuck in the new version of the overly complex bitpay api
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[11:54:58] <cmn32480> coffee++
[11:54:58] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1807
[11:55:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> see, nowadays you gotta have a public/private keypair because you can hide a private key so much easier than you can a simple api key.
[11:56:07] <alexbst> and http://www.socialmatter.net :-)
[11:56:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> and then you have to sign every bloody message with said private key as well as supplying your public key.
[11:56:09] <GW> ^ 03Understanding the Educated Young Woman's Perspective - Social Matter
[11:57:30] * TheMightyBuzzard really wishes he had five minutes alone in a room with the bitpay devs
[12:01:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> stupid goddamned shiny-and-new-loving fucktards! it doesn't matter the type of credentials if it takes the exact same effort (access to one file) to compromise either!
[12:08:30] <cmn32480> nobody said they were smart did they?
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[12:39:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Internet Freedom Falls for Fifth Year in Row: Survey - https://soylentnews.org - raise-your-hands-if-you-are-surprised
[12:44:17] <crutchy> we should start a bitpay rival
[12:44:21] <crutchy> called buttpay
[12:44:42] <crutchy> its the only way to be sure
[12:44:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> then you could say you really paid out the butt
[12:45:31] <SirFinkus> I think the devs of buttpay are full of shit
[12:46:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> time for more nicotine then i gotta finish up getting all our bitpay invoices off their server
[12:49:52] <cmn32480> that is a crappy way to look at thigns, SirFinkus
[12:50:33] <SirFinkus> the slogan could be "Bend over"
[12:50:54] <cmn32480> BOHICA!
[12:51:01] <cmn32480> Bend Over
[12:51:14] <cmn32480> Here It Comes Again
[12:51:18] <crutchy> 'no holes unplugged'
[12:51:45] <cmn32480> "we're anal about security"
[12:53:07] <SirFinkus> "won't cost you an arm and a fist"
[12:53:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think i need a beer.
[12:53:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> unfortunately it's not quite 8am, so a cigarette it is.
[12:54:06] <SirFinkus> wait until noon at least
[12:54:21] <cmn32480> how long you been awake buzzard?
[12:54:58] <SirFinkus> although with my sleep cycles, a beer at 4am before bed isn't that outrageous for me
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[12:57:24] <crutchy> every clock says beer-o-clock
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[13:02:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, since 5
[13:02:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> forget something, SoyGuest82095?
[13:03:33] <SirFinkus> anyone know if Trails in the Sky is any good?
[13:03:37] <SirFinkus> looks interesting
[13:04:15] <cmn32480> beer is allowed. you been up 4 hours
[13:04:27] <SirFinkus> I concur
[13:04:51] <SirFinkus> socially acceptable at lunch
[13:05:06] <SirFinkus> having a "breakfast stout" isn't a great idea
[13:06:57] <SirFinkus> unless you're on/about to be on an airplane
[13:06:59] <SirFinkus> then anything goes
[13:09:06] <SirFinkus> fuck it
[13:09:09] * SirFinkus downloads
[13:10:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, never heard of it
[13:10:34] <SirFinkus> people abbreviate it tits
[13:10:37] <SirFinkus> so it must be good
[13:11:56] <SirFinkus> oh, TheMightyBuzzard, grandia 2 is on sale on steam if you're still interested
[13:12:26] <SirFinkus> I actually won a free code yesterday in a raffle, but I gave it to my friend
[13:13:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> boo-fuckin-yah. just pulled the invoices we missed getting.
[13:14:54] <SirFinkus> fucking steam is probably one of the worst pieces of software I've ever used
[13:15:21] <SirFinkus> it never really gets any better, they just seem to cycle through bugs
[13:15:33] <SirFinkus> I bet it's worse than bitpay
[13:16:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> do they delete games without notifying you?
[13:17:23] <SirFinkus> worse, they accidentally delete / without telling you
[13:18:11] <SirFinkus> http://www.pcworld.com
[13:18:16] <GW> ^ 03Scary Steam for Linux bug erases all the personal files on your PC | PCWorld
[13:18:33] <paulej72> rm -rf ~
[13:18:43] <cmn32480> egad...
[13:18:49] <cmn32480> makes me glad I run Windows!
[13:18:52] * cmn32480 ducks
[13:19:49] <SirFinkus> but it seems like every time I try and do something with steam, it doesn't quite do what I want it to
[13:20:09] <SirFinkus> for instance, just clicked the store page in the client
[13:20:22] <SirFinkus> "log in for personal recommendations"
[13:20:25] <SirFinkus> so that was broken
[13:20:35] <SirFinkus> I get to browsing sale items
[13:20:38] <SirFinkus> watch a trailer
[13:20:43] <SirFinkus> and the page refreshes logging me in
[13:20:48] <SirFinkus> in the middle of the damn trailer
[13:20:56] <SirFinkus> dumping me back to the store homepage
[13:21:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, got the WRONG invoices but at least i got invoices
[13:22:10] <SirFinkus> another fun thing is when you fullscreen a video and it turns all your displays black, with no ability to exit the fullscreen other than killing steam
[13:22:48] <SirFinkus> I thought with webkit and shit this was a solved problem
[13:23:46] <cmn32480> TheMightyBuzzard++
[13:23:46] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 196
[13:24:03] <cmn32480> Progress!! great job Buzzard!
[13:40:20] * TheMightyBuzzard grumbles
[13:40:41] * paulej72 grumbles consent
[13:42:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, got the proper invoices as well as some useless ones
[13:44:39] <SirFinkus> sounds like more progress
[13:44:48] * SirFinkus is curious what the useless ones could be
[13:45:16] <crutchy> add the --nsa_mode arg and you can get ALL invoices :p
[13:45:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, where people started to pay and then hit cancel or similar
[13:46:07] <SirFinkus> ahh
[13:46:41] <SirFinkus> although I can see why people might want that shit, since every website is obsessed with slurping up every bit of data on me they can
[13:46:56] <SirFinkus> people being the people running the sites
[13:52:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, meh, we already know everything about you. it's pretty boring really. and stop wiping boogers under your your desk.
[13:52:40] <SirFinkus> Hey, everyone knows I eat my boogers
[14:10:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Intel x86 Considered Harmful - https://soylentnews.org - users-are-up-in-ARMs
[14:11:26] <alexbst> great article :)
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[14:21:22] <SirFinkus> oh good, Bytram is back
[14:21:31] <Bytram> =)
[14:21:36] <Bytram> !uid
[14:21:36] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5930, owned by MrNerdHair
[14:21:51] * Bytram wonders if that is like a neck beard?
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[14:28:19] <alexbst> heh
[14:29:43] <Bytram> alexbst: bst? British Standard Time?
[14:29:54] <SirFinkus> https://www.twitchinstalls.com
[14:29:55] <GW> ^ 03Twitch Installs Arch Linux
[14:29:59] <SirFinkus> good lord
[14:30:43] <alexbst> Bytram - as it happens, that too.
[14:30:54] <Bytram> =)
[14:31:36] <alexbst> but it is my anglicized initials also.
[14:31:53] <Bytram> convenient that -- better not move, eh?
[14:32:01] <alexbst> reminds me of a kid who was e.t.c. berry.
[14:32:10] <Bytram> hmmm, Bangkok Std Time ;)
[14:32:39] <alexbst> I'm in picadilly circus today. fun times.
[14:33:04] <Bytram> I've heard the term 'picadilly' but not at all familiar with it -- what's it about?
[14:33:50] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[14:33:51] <GW> ^ 03Tesla Autopilot saves the day - YouTube
[14:34:31] <alexbst> https://en.wikipedia.org
[14:34:32] <GW> ^ 03Wiki: Piccadilly
[14:35:18] <alexbst> it's a road going from picadilly circus, past st.james and mayfair , towards hyde park corner.. ;)
[14:36:02] <Bytram> is the circus actually a 'circus' with performers and elephants and the like?
[14:36:29] <alexbst> circus just means a circular junction.
[14:36:50] <alexbst> circus being from the same word as circle
[14:38:01] * Bytram is disappointed
[14:39:37] <Bytram> I would *never* have guessed that -- I am informed, but still a bit disappointed. I figured it was so famous to have heard of it on this side of the pond that it must be one heck of a circus!
[14:40:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://arstechnica.com
[14:40:18] <GW> ^ 0313 million plaintext passwords belonging to webhost users leaked online | Ars Technica
[14:40:59] <Bytram> so, IIUC, that means there are 13 million web sites up for grabs?
[14:41:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup, have at it
[14:45:08] <Bytram> ouch! prepare for the bots and the spam
[15:00:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, that was plenty of work for my brain for the day. time to give sword coast legends some of my time
[15:00:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> back later
[15:00:33] <Bytram> thanks for all you did!
[15:00:51] <Bytram> may want to pick your brain later today to finish up submitting code changes
[15:02:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, after lunch sometime
[15:03:10] <Bytram> k; I still haven't planned out my day, but that sounds good. much appreciated!
[15:05:50] <Bytram> might check out a movie, but have not yet checked to see what is playing and when
[15:07:52] <Bytram> anyone have a suggestion for a current movie that is out that might be worth seeing?
[15:10:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SoylentNews Bitpay on the Fritz - https://soylentnews.org - you-eventually-get-what-you-pay-for
[15:14:14] <SirFinkus> martian is good if you haven't seen it yet
[15:14:24] <SirFinkus> but HYDRAZINE
[15:16:06] <Bytram> saw it. Enjoyed it, mostly, but left a feeling that I was watching a documentary instead of a film. That said, still glad I saw it.
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[15:23:59] <SirFinkus> gonna give trails in the sky a shot, I'm out too
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[15:41:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Bob Lutz Thinks Tesla is Doomed - https://soylentnews.org - taking-stock
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[16:25:37] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[16:25:38] <GW> ^ 03gg allin drink fight and fuck - YouTube
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[16:38:36] <cmn32480> So anybody out there do Wordpress, and possibly Magento? The employer is looking for some [ossible consulting and support.
[17:03:53] <alexbst> upwork
[17:04:06] <alexbst> if you can't find anyone decent in your net.
[17:10:19] <cmn32480> thanks Alexbst. I'll look into them.
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[17:16:44] <alexbst> I've had some great candidates on upwork btw.
[17:42:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Harvard Law Library Readies Trove of Decisions for Digital Age - https://soylentnews.org - seek-and-ye-shall-fined?
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[18:17:31] <SirFinkus> It's shit so far
[18:27:22] <cmn32480> ok.. I'll bite. What's shit so far?
[18:33:28] <SirFinkus> trails in the sky, shitty jrpg
[18:33:40] <SirFinkus> friend kept going on and on about how great it was
[18:33:56] <chromas> (he's no longer a friend)
[18:34:15] <cmn32480> well.. I shoudl hope that you and chromas can kiss and make up sirfinkus
[18:35:02] <chromas> guys don't kiss; they dock
[18:36:07] <cmn32480> oh. you guys aren't THAT kind of friend
[18:36:29] <SirFinkus> oh, it's dock o'clock already?
[18:41:51] <cmn32480> apparently
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[19:14:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Decision Making -- Use Your Intuition or Reason? - https://soylentnews.org
[19:26:16] <Bytram> time for me take my leave; may be back later
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[20:45:50] <paulej72> !moo
[20:46:01] <paulej72> !bier
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[20:46:22] <exec> (oo)
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[20:54:24] <AnonTechie> My submission "The Scientific Method is a Myth" (AnonTechie) may be a dupe. When submitting, I did not see this submission "The Myth of Basic Science - Papas Fritas". Please check ... Thanks guys !!!
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[21:34:53] <crutchy> ~isup sylnt.us
[21:34:55] <exec> 03sylnt.us: HTTP/1.1 200 OK
[21:35:03] <crutchy> welcome back sylnt!
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[21:55:25] <paulej72> between 3 and 5 UTC this morning sylnt.us dided becasue httpd fell down on beryllium
[22:01:11] <mrcoolbp> = (
[22:09:06] <alexbst> oh great
[22:09:19] <alexbst> von doom becomes a sort of passive-aggressive emo kid
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[22:14:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> alexbst, tell me you're not watching the new FF
[22:14:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Samsung Sees Profits Jump on Demand for Chips and Displays - http://sylnt.us
[22:23:24] <crutchy> FF?
[22:23:40] <alexbst> TheMightyBuzzard - if I Did, I'd be lieing ?
[22:23:55] <alexbst> I'm suffering it atm
[22:24:13] <crutchy> paulej72++
[22:24:13] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 184
[22:24:41] <alexbst> paulej72 - you need some cfg mgmt ? :D
[22:25:15] <paulej72> no more memory on our linodes
[22:25:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> I gave up as soon as I saw they decided to make Sue's brother an actual brother.
[22:26:02] <paulej72> it makes the incenst more interesting
[22:26:05] <alexbst> at least he has an interesting car.
[22:26:12] <alexbst> I actually like those cars.
[22:26:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> Couldn't do it. They want diversity, add a new character instead of fucking with the ones I grew up with.
[22:27:01] <alexbst> I think they've made all these people younger to... sell it to the tween market ?
[22:27:08] <alexbst> ignoring the race changes
[22:27:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly
[22:27:28] <paulej72> but Stan Lee must be a racist as all his main characters were white
[22:28:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> well he is like a thousand years old. it's quite possible he at least used to be.
[22:28:03] <paulej72> We can't have that so we must retcon
[22:29:00] <alexbst> oh, now they've called it a quantum gate
[22:29:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> but you don't go calling folks racist just because they might be. proof or gtfo.
[22:29:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> stupid hollywood.
[22:29:21] <paulej72> I am channeling my inner SJW
[22:29:28] * TheMightyBuzzard nods to paulej72
[22:29:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> so, anyone watched kung fury yet?
[22:29:57] <alexbst> the saddest thing about this film is that the only adult is the woman.
[22:30:27] <alexbst> and she's the snitch, too.
[22:30:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> alexbst, to be expected. men are all juvenile, misogynist pigs with the intellect of actual pigs.
[22:31:39] <paulej72> hey I resemble that remark
[22:33:49] <alexbst> they've reduced this to some awful school trip.
[22:34:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, you lucked out tonight. i was going to pile some more work on you but i completely forgot what it was.
[22:34:21] <paulej72> yay
[22:35:56] <alexbst> they're now running from random green earth jizzbombs
[22:36:22] <paulej72> pandering to the 14yo boys
[22:36:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> man are the SJW types pissed tonight. both the SJW and GG panels got reinstated by SXSW. theirs has shrieking harpies with blue hair and ours has a porn star with a masters in engineering.
[22:36:40] <alexbst> MST3K time.
[22:37:16] <alexbst> who's the porn star ?
[22:37:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> mercedes carreras
[22:37:27] <crutchy> tmb, wtf are you talking about!? lol
[22:37:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/as/a/
[22:37:45] <sedctl> <TheMightyBuzzard> mercedes carrera
[22:38:18] <alexbst> different people entirely
[22:38:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, big con. trolls called in bomb threats about both panels and both got the boot then reinstated after everyone ripped the con a new one for canceling them.
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[22:41:42] <crutchy> con? as in conference?
[22:41:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[22:42:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://www.sxsw.com
[22:42:18] <crutchy> seems to be an american thing. we have conferences here, but they usually have a purpose
[22:43:01] <alexbst> sxsw is like burning man
[22:43:05] <alexbst> a wankathon, imo.
[22:43:27] <crutchy> yeah i never got the concept of having conferences about comics even
[22:43:30] <crutchy> or linux
[22:43:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> weirdo. it's an excuse to party and maybe get your boobs signed by shatner.
[22:44:10] <crutchy> meh. parties are shit
[22:44:43] <alexbst> I do super-specific tech conferences, maybe once or twice a year.
[22:44:59] <alexbst> they're actually productive.
[22:45:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> productivity--
[22:45:09] <Bender> karma - productivity: -1
[22:45:37] <alexbst> although there is a class of person in the industry who basically spends their entire life travelling from conference to conference.
[22:45:49] <paulej72> fuck, i need to walk home, but i don't want to.
[22:46:09] <crutchy> i went to a couple of space conferences when i was at uni. mildly interesting, but huge waste of money. full of people talking about what they want to do but never will
[22:46:40] <paulej72> I want to bang your mom, but never will :P
[22:47:46] <alexbst> bit old, even for you.
[22:48:40] * TheMightyBuzzard sings "crutchy's mom has got it going on"
[22:49:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[22:49:27] * TheMightyBuzzard smakes the url bot
[22:49:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, fix it!
[22:52:37] <paulej72> http://www.businessinsider.com
[22:52:41] <crutchy> mrplow needs a title script. i think title output is like an irc bot right of passage or summin
[22:53:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> feh
[22:53:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~wget https://www.youtube.com <title> <> </title>
[22:53:36] <exec> 07Fountains of Wayne - Stacy's Mom - YouTube
[22:54:17] <crutchy> ~title on
[22:54:18] <exec> titles enabled for 10#Soylent
[22:54:25] <crutchy> (until GW wakes up)
[22:54:59] <crutchy> monopoly++
[22:54:59] <Bender> karma - monopoly: 17
[22:55:13] <crutchy> ~g BIGBANG - LOSER M/V site:youtube
[22:55:36] <crutchy> or not
[22:55:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> #youtube BIGBANG - LOSER M/V
[22:55:48] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[22:55:50] <exec> └─ 13BIGBANG - LOSER M/V - YouTube
[22:56:52] <crutchy> hmm. for some reason it didn't like the site: thing
[22:56:57] <crutchy> ~g BIGBANG - LOSER M/V
[22:56:58] <exec> [google] www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CTced9CMMk
[22:57:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> kpop?
[22:57:36] <crutchy> i think so yeah
[22:58:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> not jpop. wrong alphabet.
[22:58:24] <crutchy> nfitbh
[22:58:40] <paulej72> Bytram|away: is here
[22:58:47] <crutchy> ~g Headbone ft. Jabu - Rollin' in The Rearview
[22:58:49] <exec> [google] www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft87PsgcpRg
[22:58:54] <paulej72> quick put the porn away
[22:59:10] <crutchy> .bytram-is-her
[22:59:13] <crutchy> e
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[22:59:21] <Bytram|busted> =)
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[22:59:46] <crutchy> paulej72 has a camera in Bytram's house
[22:59:54] * Bytram puts on pants
[23:00:10] <paulej72> znc status messages
[23:00:38] * Bytram offers paulej72 a verb
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[23:01:08] <paulej72> I'd like to buy and "E"
[23:01:11] <Ethanol-fooled> Good afternoon, gentlemen.
[23:01:14] <Ethanol-fooled> Pauley!
[23:01:22] <paulej72> it is evening here
[23:01:27] * Ethanol-fooled gets on knees, fellates Pauley
[23:01:58] * paulej72 finds noone under his desk
[23:02:32] <Ethanol-fooled> pauley, top quality prosties are 150 bucks per half-hour or more.
[23:02:48] <Ethanol-fooled> Females. Males will do it for free
[23:04:01] <Ethanol-fooled> I will leave now.
[23:04:36] * Ethanol-fooled GOTSTA GOTSTA GOTSTA GOTSTS GOTSTA SHIIIIT MAN!
[23:04:40] <Bytram> paulej72: I don't know if you are aware, but Ijust noticed that, in addition to Xen, Linode now offers KVM -- claims it is much faster: https://blog.linode.com
[23:04:44] <exec> └─ 13Linode Blog » Linode turns 12! Here’s some KVM!
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[23:05:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, never tell this to NC. we'll have to switch and everything will break and we'll have to spend all weekend getting it working again.
[23:05:58] <Bytram> NCommander: ^^^
[23:06:00] <Bytram> ;)
[23:06:04] <paulej72> yes, and we can migrate all our servers over with just a short downtime, but only if our servers are setup correctly. I was planning on trying it with magnesium first
[23:06:18] <Bytram> not much on that one, right?
[23:06:29] <paulej72> backup load balancer
[23:06:31] <Bytram> backup load balancer, IIRC
[23:06:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'actually a good idea. it's a do-nothing server right now.
[23:06:35] <Bytram> ninja'd
[23:07:01] <Bytram> hmmm, immediate question then becomes if things go south, how hard is it to return to Xen?
[23:07:40] <paulej72> very
[23:07:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, the question is after things go south, how much work is involved to re-north them.
[23:08:05] <paulej72> I think Linode wants to deprecate Xen
[23:08:10] <Bytram> well, one thing in our favor, is that we just recently rebooted all the systems, so, in theory, we should be current with whatever the hiccups are, and hopefully, should be able to just reboot and go, right?
[23:08:35] <paulej72> Upgrade to KVM
[23:08:35] <paulej72> A pending free upgrade is available. Click here for more information!
[23:08:43] * Bytram clicks
[23:08:45] <Bytram> nothing happens
[23:08:46] <paulej72> from the Linode console
[23:09:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> we should do helium first. everything worked so well while it was down for reboot.
[23:09:07] <paulej72> Information
[23:09:07] <paulej72> What is this?
[23:09:07] <paulej72> KVM is a virtualization technology that is an alternative to Xen. Its benefits include much greater performance (less overhead), and the ability to run weird OSs. It is the future here at Linode.
[23:09:07] <paulej72> How much faster?
[23:09:08] <paulej72> 300% improvement in UnixBench score, with a KVM Linode vs a Xen Linode
[23:09:08] * Bytram notices a sign: it is dark, you may be eaten by a grue
[23:09:10] <paulej72> 28% faster at compiling a Linux kernel with a KVM Linode vs a Xen Linode
[23:09:12] <paulej72> Boot and shutdown times are greatly improved
[23:09:14] <paulej72> Will this break stuff?
[23:09:16] <paulej72> Probably not. Upgrading an existing deployment to KVM requires that the "Distro Helper" is enabled in your configuration profile. This will happen automatically.
[23:09:19] <paulej72> Specific changes from Xen to KVM will be detailed in our KVM Reference guide.
[23:09:40] * Bytram noties a key phrase 'will be detailed'
[23:09:48] <Bytram> wonders when they will get to doing that?
[23:09:51] <paulej72> https://www.linode.com
[23:09:55] <exec> └─ 13KVM Reference - Linode Guides & Tutorials
[23:10:08] * Bytram clicks
[23:10:53] <paulej72> need to double check if we are running anything exotic in our kernels
[23:11:02] <Bytram> might we want to take this to another channel? to facilitate scrollback for others who might be affected/intersted? Say #dev
[23:11:14] * Bytram gets some popcorn
[23:11:23] <Bytram> wrong kind of kernels :(
[23:11:24] <paulej72> naah
[23:11:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> we run vanilla *buntu kernels, don't we?
[23:11:45] <paulej72> think so, just need to double check that.
[23:12:17] <paulej72> CentOS 6
[23:12:17] <paulej72> There are some reported cases of Linodes running CentOS 6.X that lose network connectivity after upgrading. To resolve this issue, open the LISH Console and run:
[23:12:17] <paulej72> 1
[23:12:17] <paulej72>
[23:12:17] <paulej72> rm -f /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[23:12:18] <paulej72> Then reboot the Linode.
[23:12:43] <Bytram> from paulej72
[23:12:55] <Bytram> from paulej72's link -- we have to wathc for block device name reassignements
[23:13:18] <paulej72> That should happen automagically
[23:13:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> not if we use UUIDs like sane people
[23:13:44] <Bytram> k
[23:14:10] <Bytram> what devices do we talk to anyway? disk, network, console, anything else?
[23:14:25] <paulej72> yo mama
[23:14:31] <crutchy> UUIDs are systemd!
[23:14:42] <crutchy> we'll have none of that nonsense here
[23:14:56] <Bytram> that doesn't strikeme as being especially sane, even though it does come with ubuntu
[23:14:58] <paulej72> UUIDs were here before systemd
[23:15:08] <crutchy> yeah but poettering likes them
[23:15:16] <crutchy> so they're systemd :p
[23:15:22] * TheMightyBuzzard smakes crutchy
[23:15:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Decision Making — Use Your Intuition or Reason? - http://sylnt.us - why-not-use-both? || The Myth of Basic Science - http://sylnt.us - chicken-and-egg
[23:15:25] <Bytram> isn't that special
[23:15:34] <exec> ├─ 13Decision Making — Use Your Intuition or Reason? - SoylentNews
[23:15:34] <exec> └─ 13The Myth of Basic Science - SoylentNews
[23:15:37] <crutchy> systemd is like the sjw of linux
[23:15:41] <Bytram> lol
[23:15:51] <crutchy> ~ignore Bender
[23:15:52] <exec> exec set to ignore Bender
[23:15:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth. telling you how to do things and what to think
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[23:16:45] <Bytram> so, what are the potential downsides of an upgrade? For example: I see no mention of amount of available memory that we would have.
[23:16:50] <crutchy> i prefer the pragmatic authoritarianism offered by torvalds
[23:17:03] <crutchy> who doesn't see the point of uuids
[23:17:22] <Bytram> or, is that invisible to us and we see a full 4GB (or whatever)
[23:17:35] <paulej72> potentially the whole node is faster so all of the vms breath a litte easier but the specs of each will stay the same
[23:17:42] <crutchy> torvalds is like a sith lord that has a blue lightsaber
[23:17:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, one good point is usb drives. plug six of them in and you can be assured which is going to land at which dev
[23:18:18] <crutchy> usb drives are for gumps
[23:18:18] <Bytram> so on the tradeoff on space-vs-performance, we gain some performance which we could (potentially) leverage to reduce the amount of memory required
[23:18:35] <crutchy> nas ftw
[23:18:57] <Bytram> methinks it might be kind of hard to plug a USB drive into our linode
[23:18:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, not really. we're not gonna gain or lose memory in the trip, just cpu cycles.
[23:18:59] <paulej72> I think most of the benefits will not be seen on our side
[23:19:17] <Bytram> understood.
[23:19:36] <Bytram> was jsut trying to think of any potential benefits besides a bit snappier response times
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[23:19:54] <crutchy> we need moar complexity!
[23:20:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, it's also handy if you want to wag a drive over to a new machine. the uuid WILL be the same for that partition even if you don't plug it in the same sata port.
[23:20:07] * Bytram waves at stderr
[23:20:52] <Bytram> so, IIUC, I take a SUB drive on system A, plug it in, and I can give it a fixed name?
[23:20:57] <crutchy> sudo apt-get install windows10-systemd-edition
[23:21:03] <Bytram> then go to system B, pug it in and it has the same name
[23:21:22] <Bytram> ugh. s/SUB/USB/
[23:21:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, usbs would have to be configured in udev for that.
[23:22:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> but you could use the same config files between multiple machines
[23:22:24] <Bytram> oh, doh. on re-reading I see you said UUID
[23:22:45] <Bytram> so, chance of collisions is, well, hopefully nill
[23:23:02] <Bytram> or a whole lot of other things would be badly broken, too
[23:23:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> i've had plenty of issues with drives getting out of order and going to the wrong sd* and having to boot from a rescue image
[23:24:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> change hardware often enough and it'll happen to you too.
[23:25:08] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[23:25:11] <exec> └─ 13Euphoric Trance 11 - YouTube
[23:25:36] <paulej72> https://blog.linode.com
[23:25:40] <exec> └─ 13Linode Blog » Linode turns 12! Here’s some KVM!
[23:25:43] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, you're holding it wrong
[23:25:49] <crutchy> or using a shit distro :p
[23:25:52] * crutchy hides
[23:26:07] * Bytram points at crutchy's hiding place
[23:26:51] * TheMightyBuzzard pees on crutchy's hiding place
[23:27:06] * crutchy has class 4 armor on... that err... special armor! that's impenetrable to american bullets
[23:27:28] <takyon> hi, takyon here
[23:27:34] <takyon> just checking in to say "get drunk"
[23:27:35] * Bytram offers a muzzleloader to TheMightyBuzzard
[23:27:38] <takyon> get drunk
[23:27:55] * Bytram looks around but does not see a drunk to get
[23:28:01] <Bytram> takyon: where's he hiding?
[23:28:05] <Bytram> ;)
[23:28:06] <takyon> right here
[23:28:07] <takyon> in my pants
[23:28:14] * Bytram takes a step back
[23:28:36] <takyon> since I'm leaving I'll just say
[23:28:50] <takyon> if any of you want to check out some good halloween movies
[23:28:58] <takyon> email me at my soylent address
[23:29:12] <takyon> takyon@soylentnews.org
[23:29:24] <takyon> you won't be disappointed
[23:29:30] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: btw, I ran into the UTF-8 bug where a message (moderation) which refers to a comment title that has a UTF-8 char in it gets borked when I look at my messages.
[23:29:39] <takyon> I'll get back to you within the next 12 hours or so
[23:29:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, known issue
[23:29:47] <Bytram> Tachyon: have a happy Hallowe'en
[23:29:56] <takyon> you got da wrong guy
[23:30:13] <Bytram> urk. ta<tab>
[23:30:18] <Tachyon> i feared it is another mass highlight
[23:30:22] <takyon> again, dat email is takyon@soylentnews.org
[23:30:27] <Tachyon> i would leave permanently :)
[23:30:32] <takyon> you won't be disappointed
[23:30:35] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[23:30:37] <exec> └─ 13Fat Abbot - YouTube
[23:30:40] <Tachyon> but happy halloween :)
[23:30:46] <takyon> same, tach
[23:30:56] <Bytram> Tachyon: no problem; please accept my apologies.
[23:31:13] <takyon> the message I'm trying to get across is, email me at takyon@soylentnews.org
[23:31:22] <takyon> especially if you have a torrent client
[23:31:26] <Bytram> just be aware that, since you are ahead of ta*K*yon alphabetically, ifd you are both here, I'll tend to forget and accidentally send you stuff.
[23:32:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> damnit, my glass is empty. must be whiskey time.
[23:32:49] <Bytram> paulej72: so, any further thoughts on possibly upgrading from Xen to KVM?
[23:33:18] <Bytram> or, are you doing it already and that's why you've been quiet for a stretch? =)
[23:33:19] <paulej72> going to happen at some point, but we have to schedule downtimes again.
[23:33:35] <paulej72> I have been reading the blog posts
[23:33:36] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[23:33:39] <exec> └─ 13Cartmans Mom and the internet. - YouTube
[23:33:41] <takyon> later yall
[23:33:46] <crutchy> ok i need to close youtube
[23:33:57] <Bytram> is that really necessary? we have redundancy on [pretty much] everything, right?
[23:34:07] <Bytram> takyon: g'night!
[23:34:36] <Bytram> except IRC and mail?
[23:34:46] <paulej72> nope, ndb-mgm is not mirrored
[23:34:58] <Bytram> oops, forgot about that one.
[23:35:12] <paulej72> and it seems I need to reboot mdb-mgm to create a second server
[23:35:15] <Bytram> neon?
[23:35:35] <paulej72> its on helium now and I will mirror it on neon
[23:36:20] * Bytram was referring to the list on our reboot schedule story
[23:36:38] <paulej72> but I am not sure what happens when I restart ndb-mgm on helium. will ndb blow up immeiatley or will it survive
[23:36:54] <Bytram> speaking of which, I see someone cleaned it out of the 'Site News' slashbox -- thanks!
[23:37:14] <paulej72> not sure how long ndb was alive on neon when helium went down
[23:37:30] <Bytram> are there logs that you can refer to?
[23:38:35] <Tachyon> Bytram: no problem at all. I'm pissed about mass highlights, not by mistaking me for ta kyon :)
[23:39:16] <paulej72> maybe that seems like work
[23:39:32] <Bytram> glad to hear you're not pissed for that, but, umm, what are 'mass highlights' -- someone going nuts with a yellow marker?
[23:40:12] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[23:40:14] <exec> └─ 13Eric Cartman Toilet Safety Administration South Park - YouTube
[23:40:34] <alexbst> this.. is going to be good
[23:40:53] <Bytram> paulej72: where would I find the logs? I'd be happy to take a look for ya?
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[23:41:22] Ethanol-fueled is now known as Ethanol-foored
[23:41:23] <paulej72> http://wpress.io
[23:41:25] <Ethanol-foored> HAHAHHAHAHA\
[23:41:26] <exec> └─ 13UnixBench benchmark results for DigitalOcean, Linode KVM & Linode XEN | wpress.io
[23:41:43] <paulej72> \var\log\
[23:41:45] <crutchy> aye focker!
[23:41:46] <Ethanol-foored> https://www.youtube.com
[23:41:50] <exec> └─ 13The Toxic Avenger 1984 mexican restaurant fight scene - YouTube
[23:42:01] <Ethanol-foored> intoxicated....since.....11 am.
[23:42:01] <Bytram> on helium
[23:42:03] <Bytram> ?
[23:42:12] <Ethanol-foored> Crutch-dawg!
[23:42:14] <crutchy> yes, Ethanol-foored is intoxicated on helium :)
[23:42:17] <Ethanol-foored> Marty!
[23:42:20] <Ethanol-foored> Pauley
[23:42:27] <Ethanol-foored> !
[23:42:54] <Ethanol-foored> I am too drunk. I must remove myself from this conversation.
[23:43:07] * crutchy was watching tom cruise pack fudge
[23:43:33] * Ethanol-foored does a backflip before shitting himself into oblivion
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[23:43:46] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[23:43:49] <exec> └─ 13South Park- Tom Cruise is a fudge packer - YouTube
[23:43:54] <paulej72> need to find the time ndb-mgm shutdown on helium and see when ndb on neon crashed.
[23:44:04] <paulej72> find the difference
[23:44:13] <crutchy> ~define ndb
[23:44:16] <exec> [urbandictionary] 03NDB: Non-Directional-Beacon a radio transmitter in the 225 to 500 kHz range see ADF
[23:44:36] <crutchy> omg! i knew it!
[23:44:47] <crutchy> soylent is the NSA!
[23:46:27] <paulej72> ndb is mysql's name for thier cluster db system
[23:47:28] <crutchy> oh
[23:47:49] <crutchy> i remember looking into that a few years ago. i wasn't sure if it was foss or not
[23:47:56] <crutchy> mysql cluster
[23:47:57] <Bytram> paulej72: any clues on what the log file name might be? haven't seen anything obvious on neon or helium.
[23:48:26] <Bytram> obvious == something with ndb in the name of the file
[23:48:30] <paulej72> /opt/mysql/data
[23:48:38] <Bytram> nod nod
[23:48:49] <paulej72> helium.err
[23:48:56] * Bytram thought you said /var/logs ;)
[23:49:34] <paulej72> lied
[23:49:56] <Bytram> np
[23:50:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, glad you got uber powers tonight. means i get to drink whiskey and eat cookies.
[23:50:57] <paulej72> 05:00:08
[23:51:08] * crutchy gives TheMightyBuzzard third party cookies
[23:51:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn, my cookies went stale overnight
[23:52:17] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I can do some looking; not so sure I can *do* things, though.
[23:52:27] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: nuke'em for a few seconds
[23:52:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, just gonna eat em anyway
[23:53:09] <paulej72> neon failed 05:00:08.
[23:53:19] <Bytram> yep, I see it.
[23:53:41] <paulej72> fuck when ndb-mgm went down both ndb nodes dided
[23:53:41] <alexbst> http://www.bbc.com
[23:53:41] <Bytram> Received signal 15. Performing stop.
[23:53:42] <alexbst> epic.
[23:53:44] <exec> └─ 13Trick-or-treat children given cocaine in Oldham - BBC News
[23:53:57] <Bytram> that's not good.
[23:54:02] <crutchy> lmao
[23:54:08] <crutchy> halloween is fucking stupid
[23:54:43] <crutchy> kids are usually taught not to accept candy from strangers
[23:54:46] <paulej72> going to have to schedule downtime to fix the db issues
[23:55:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> fu, crutchy, halloween is awesome. chicks dress up as slutty-* and i get candy.
[23:55:22] <paulej72> once that is fixed then we can work on getting kvm migrations
[23:55:29] <Bytram> nod nod
[23:55:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, just do it tomorrow if you don't have big halloween plans. we'll have low participation happening.
[23:56:09] <paulej72> possibly
[23:56:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> weekend + holiday
[23:56:58] <crutchy> i have a 4 day weekend this weekend, but its cos straya has this weird sport fetish
[23:57:06] <Bytram> I'm working sat night, but can pop in for a bit in the AM if that's of any help
[23:57:13] <crutchy> there is a public holiday for a damn horserace
[23:57:59] <crutchy> oddly enough its also an excuse to dress slutty and eat candy :/
[23:58:11] <paulej72> I need to read up again on adding a ndb-mgm server
[23:58:15] <crutchy> s/candy/booze and sex/
[23:58:15] <sedctl> <crutchy> oddly enough its also an excuse to dress slutty and eat booze and sex :/
[23:58:26] <crutchy> derp
[23:58:30] <paulej72> but for now I need to get home and get some dinner
[23:58:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> enjoy
[23:58:38] <Bytram> yeah, understood
[23:58:45] <Bytram> dinner sounds like an excellent idea right about now
[23:58:53] <Bytram> afk; food
[23:59:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> ^^
[23:59:29] <Bytram> paulej72: thanks for all the info and straightening out the server, earlier today!
[23:59:54] <paulej72> suree