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[00:00:05] <Gravis> they really need to go deep with their server chips
[00:00:29] <Gravis> the ARM ones
[00:00:36] <takyon> they aren't launching their own ARM server chips until 2017, one year after the Zen launch
[00:00:47] <takyon> originally the years were switched
[00:00:52] <takyon> ARM in 2016, Zen in 2017
[00:01:03] <takyon> so apparently they think there's some life left in consumer computing
[00:01:10] <nick> they're doomed
[00:02:00] <nick> i hate to say it, they're about the only company i've ever really supported and recommended consistently.
[00:02:26] <nick> do not see a reason to anymore
[00:02:40] <takyon> I'm thinking that they will live for at least 3-4 years, and the graphics segment will live on even if their CPUs die
[00:03:13] <takyon> I'd also buy a Zen laptop, but I'd probably have to wait a whole year because the launch is supposed to be towards the end of 2016
[00:03:50] <Gravis> i'd buy an ARMv8 laptop if they would just make the damn things in a sensible size
[00:03:56] <takyon> considering the IPC gains they are promising, buying an AMD CPU right now is a waste of money
[00:03:57] <Gravis> netbook is not a sensible size
[00:04:27] <takyon> I remember this discussion. You would buy 15.6" and up right
[00:04:35] <Gravis> yes
[00:05:01] <Gravis> i'm looking for 17" but 15.6" is the largest they make
[00:09:47] <takyon> I'm liking those XPS laptops where the bezel is really small. I hope more manufacturers can do that
[00:10:30] <Yog-Yogguth> now you've got me thinking about how fun it would be to make the largest laptop in the world, I have one of those huge thin drawing/painting cases that can take A3 sheets without folding the paper
[00:11:19] <Yog-Yogguth> the kind of "case" art students and ad people might have, not sur what they're called
[00:11:35] <Gravis> takyon: i actually was interested in microsoft's design
[00:11:42] <Gravis> takyon: minus the taking it apart
[00:12:00] <takyon> Gravis: the hinge in the back, or the 2-in-1 format in general?
[00:12:24] -!- SpallsHurgenson [SpallsHurgenson!~SpallsHur@Soylent/Users/656/SpallsHurgenson] has joined #Soylent
[00:13:18] <takyon> I was interested in this part: "The latching system is ridiculously strong. Microsoft is using a wire that can change its length if a voltage is applied to it."
[00:13:44] <Gravis> takyon: "Microsoft Surface Book" is the name
[00:14:07] <takyon> yeah, my question is what do you like about Microsoft Surface Book
[00:14:17] <Gravis> the hinge
[00:15:03] <takyon> Anandtech compares it to Yoga 3 Pro in their article
[00:15:12] <takyon> guess I'll look that up
[00:15:18] <SpallsHurgenson> http://consumerist.com
[00:15:19] <Barrabot> ^ 03Online Ad Industry Admits ?We Messed Up? With Too Many Invasive Ads – Consumerist
[00:15:48] <Gravis> takyon: i also like that the screen isn't paper thin. yes that's because it's a tablet but i think too many laptops aren't utilizing space properly
[00:16:49] <takyon> the Apple move of slimming it down to nothing and shaving away ports is not for me. I hardly move my laptop around anyway
[00:16:57] <takyon> I want 2-3 USB ports minimum
[00:17:10] <Yog-Yogguth> SpallsHurgenson: saying sorry won't help them :)
[00:17:44] <Gravis> takyon: then you are in the market for a "gaming" laptop
[00:18:19] <Gravis> which are effectively desktops crushed into a bulky folding form
[00:19:17] <takyon> no, there is a market for me that exists, that is below "gaming". I know because I check laptop deals all the time
[00:19:39] <takyon> the $250-$500 cheap laptop segment is where I live right now. They are bulky and not ultrabooks
[00:19:44] <SpallsHurgenson> well, not that I'm excusing them but it's more than just sorry; apparently they are trying to learn from their mistakes by creating less intrusive adverts
[00:20:19] <Gravis> takyon: being a cheap-ass doesn't make the computer less of a fit, it just means you aren't willing to invest.
[00:20:24] <takyon> above that in the $X-$900 range is a variety of better laptops. Some of them are ultrabooks or other overpriced nonsense, but some of them have about as much bulk, better build quality, better specs, discrete graphics
[00:20:47] <takyon> you didn't let me finish. I am largely happy with the first segment, but I'm willing to enter the second one
[00:20:48] <Gravis> takyon: MS was smart to make a strong hinge because it's going to be stressed the most
[00:21:06] <Gravis> takyon: imma let you finish. ;P
[00:21:32] <takyon> I can confirm that. My hinge on my $400 laptop is being destroyed as I speak, and I typically keep the laptop open and powered on at all times
[00:21:37] <Yog-Yogguth> SpallsHurgenson: yeah I thought it was something like that, I wonder how many people have evr removed/uninstalled an adblocking feature, I'm guessing zero :)
[00:21:57] <SpallsHurgenson> hey, I uninstalled adblock!
[00:22:05] <Yog-Yogguth> really? why?
[00:22:06] <SpallsHurgenson> I mean, I immediately installed ublock but... :)
[00:22:10] <Gravis> SpallsHurgenson: head injury?
[00:22:11] <Yog-Yogguth> oh okay :D
[00:22:17] <Gravis> oh i see
[00:22:28] <Gravis> ublock is better
[00:22:50] <Yog-Yogguth> I find NoScript blocks evreything that they don't host themselves, i.e. 99.9999%
[00:23:19] <Gravis> Yog-Yogguth: yes but it breaks too many sites for most people's tastes
[00:23:38] <Gravis> Yog-Yogguth: you might as well just use lynx and declare total virtory
[00:23:51] <takyon> I've got all the content blockers
[00:23:57] <Yog-Yogguth> the day it becomes a habit to also turn off CSS I will
[00:24:04] <takyon> adblock, ublock, privacy badger
[00:24:31] <takyon> if I need to load a certain site that doesn't work, I just take the URL and paste it into a browser that has only adblock
[00:24:37] <Yog-Yogguth> (or maybe not, I don't mind html functionality)
[00:24:57] <Gravis> takyon: ublock, privacy badger, stopsocial
[00:25:34] <SpallsHurgenson> I want an addon that blocks everything EXCEPT the adverts :)
[00:25:37] <takyon> what does stopsocial do
[00:26:01] <Yog-Yogguth> heh :)
[00:26:05] <Gravis> takyon: prevents stupid "like" buttons and such
[00:26:25] <takyon> Privacy Badger seems to already do that from what I can tell
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[00:26:43] <takyon> it puts a little Badger on Facebook like buttons and such
[00:26:44] <SpallsHurgenson> PB is a bit excessive... it breaks lots of pages
[00:26:47] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[00:26:56] <Gravis> takyon: yeah... i dont like to see the buttons.
[00:27:09] <takyon> it's better now than when it came out, and "breaking" those pages helps me avoid crap that I don't want to load
[00:27:20] <SpallsHurgenson> I went back to disconnect the other day out of frustration
[00:28:35] <Gravis> takyon: oh, i also have "shut up" which is useful for general browsing
[00:28:46] <Gravis> takyon: it prevents comments from showing
[00:28:54] <Gravis> super effective
[00:29:08] <Yog-Yogguth> do you use it on SN? :3
[00:29:09] <brainacid> hehe
[00:29:13] <takyon> like Disqus?
[00:29:26] <SpallsHurgenson> ooh, microsoft got zinged twice today, first with forced win10 updates and next with adverts in the start menu.
[00:29:28] <brainacid> Im not very good at posting comments
[00:29:31] <takyon> like blocking comment sections from loading, or specific comments
[00:29:40] <brainacid> thank Krsna I use Gentoo
[00:29:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> that was some good dinner. mini pizzas on half hamburger buns and chocolate cake for dessert.
[00:30:11] <Gravis> takyon: blocks comments completely but allows exceptions if you like.
[00:30:38] <takyon> for me ublock and PB already annihilate most comment sections.
[00:30:47] <takyon> Disqus in particular
[00:31:08] <Yog-Yogguth> sounds nice, by cincidence I had/made hamburger bun sandwiches today
[00:31:09] <Gravis> yeah... this is more for pages that have it built-in
[00:31:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, noscript takes care of most of them too.
[00:31:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh
[00:31:26] <BadCoderFinger> The web would be useless without noscript.
[00:31:45] <Gravis> it's useless with it a lot of the time
[00:31:47] <brainacid> my diet is string cheese, fruit, veggies, juice, some bread, rice, pasta and potatoes
[00:31:51] <SpallsHurgenson> the-web-as-it-is-today would be useless without noscript
[00:31:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> without ads, how would we know where to go to pay for pr0n?
[00:32:06] * brainacid like pr0n
[00:32:08] <SpallsHurgenson> rewritten it could be useful again :)
[00:32:17] <BadCoderFinger> Gravis: True enough, but for those few sites with anything, noscript is a necessity.
[00:32:31] <brainacid> Only site I visit is Soylent
[00:32:50] <BadCoderFinger> Spalls, your mission is to start rewriting!
[00:32:51] <brainacid> everything else is pretty much garbage...other than my powerlifting sites
[00:32:55] <chromas> Soylent has a web site?
[00:32:57] <Gravis> BadCoderFinger: there is a happy medium. it's why we use ublock and privacy badger
[00:33:14] <SpallsHurgenson> chromas: yeah, http://logs.sylnt.us
[00:33:15] <Barrabot> ^ 03#Soylent | Logs
[00:33:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> we'd better get on that naked people nexus then. can't have you going without seeing them.
[00:34:09] <takyon> breakingporn.soylentnews.org
[00:34:10] <Gravis> "other than my powerlifting sites" LOL
[00:34:11] <Yog-Yogguth> 99% of unique sites I vistit I don't need to turn anything off/on in Noscript
[00:34:13] <chromas> clothing is just security-through-obscurity
[00:34:42] * SpallsHurgenson is not in anyway obscure :)
[00:34:43] <Gravis> chromas: no, it's simply obscurity, not security.
[00:34:51] <chromas> same thing
[00:34:56] <brainacid> Im silly since this is all just bytes
[00:34:58] <Gravis> chromas: wrong
[00:35:04] <brainacid> nothing on the Internet is serious
[00:35:11] * chromas has never been wrong before; what do I do?
[00:35:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~api m=user op=get_uid nick=gravis
[00:35:22] <exec> 02{ "uid" : "4596" }
[00:35:44] <BadCoderFinger> chromas: Quick, panic!
[00:35:50] <chromas> ahhh!
[00:35:53] * chromas runs around in circles
[00:35:57] <brainacid> I like this web-based IRC app
[00:36:07] <brainacid> sleek and simple and nice dark theme
[00:36:12] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm always serious. nothing I ever say is in jest.
[00:36:21] <brainacid> Nice to know I guess
[00:36:33] <brainacid> 19 yrs on IRC makes me silly
[00:36:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~api m=story op=latest limit=1
[00:36:43] <exec> 02[ { "introtext" : "<p class=\"byline\"> <a href=\"//soylentnews.org/~Phoenix666/\">Phoenix666</a> writes:</p><blockquote><div><p>A cybercriminal network that caused at least $10 million in losses <a href=\"http://www.computerworld.com/article/2992580/security/us-uk-disrupt-dridex-botnet-which-targeted-online-banking.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+computerworld/news/feed+(Latest+from+Computerworld)#tk.rss_all\">has b
[00:37:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> 19 years on irc would make anyone silly
[00:37:16] <SpallsHurgenson> then again, I've never been on the internet
[00:37:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, you wouldn't like it. it's full of idiots and trolls.
[00:37:43] <takyon> IRC botnet
[00:38:00] <SpallsHurgenson> oooh, I'm at least 50% idiot and troll!
[00:38:39] <brainacid> and that word troll is so stupid...
[00:38:50] <Gravis> brainacid: no, it's apt
[00:38:51] <brainacid> never really liked what the internet has become
[00:39:00] <brainacid> trolls are nonexistent
[00:39:14] <SpallsHurgenson> why, I'm green, have a long nose and regenerate 1 hit point every three rounds
[00:39:15] <Gravis> brainacid: sure they are... they are on the internet.
[00:39:18] <brainacid> so another reason to be silly
[00:39:26] <brainacid> jajaaj
[00:39:45] <brainacid> the chances of meeting anyone on the internet face to face are so slim
[00:39:50] <brainacid> at least for me that is
[00:39:54] <SpallsHurgenson> afaik, the word originates from its fishing definition, not its mythological meaning
[00:39:55] <Yog-Yogguth> trolls are not nonexistent :D
[00:40:04] <brainacid> :D
[00:40:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US, UK Disrupt Dridex Botnet, Which Targeted Online Banking - http://sylnt.us - not-the-first-and-not-the-last
[00:40:16] <SpallsHurgenson> e.g., toss a line out there and wait for somebody to "bite" at the lure :)
[00:40:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> yet again, fishing proves its awesomeness
[00:40:18] <Gravis> brainacid: yeah... because you are in a spanish speaking place.
[00:40:28] <brainacid> nah Gravis
[00:40:30] <brainacid> I like in US
[00:40:38] <brainacid> 's/k/v
[00:40:52] <Gravis> brainacid: but you speak spanish
[00:40:54] <brainacid> maybe in my head and heart is Spanish ;)
[00:40:56] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah, nobody speaks spanish in the US!
[00:41:05] <brainacid> I speak perfect english sir
[00:41:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/awe/supreme awe/
[00:41:05] <sedctl> <TheMightyBuzzard> yet again, fishing proves its supreme awesomeness
[00:41:12] <Gravis> SpallsHurgenson: nobody on the internets does. :)
[00:41:41] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: be old elsewhere. -_-
[00:42:01] <brainacid> Anyhow, botnets and all malware is amazing how ppl so bent on becoming famous take the time to code that shit
[00:42:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> pffft, i live here. get off my lawn.
[00:42:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> brainacid, it's the challenge. just to see if you can do it.
[00:42:41] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you live... for now.
[00:42:46] <brainacid> sure
[00:43:01] <brainacid> Carry 2x your bodyweight for 100yd is a challenge
[00:43:07] <brainacid> jaja
[00:43:11] <chromas> not for your brain
[00:43:13] <brainacid> I see that
[00:43:21] <brainacid> Yeah well algorithms bore me
[00:43:32] <brainacid> They r everywhere
[00:43:49] <Gravis> brainacid: they are everything.
[00:43:56] <brainacid> Its very cool to rev engineer malware tho
[00:44:12] <chromas> see? nobody could reverse engineer it if nobody made it
[00:44:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> breaking security interests me, i just took up the sysadmin role instead of the annoying teenage prick role when i grew up.
[00:44:17] <brainacid> yup
[00:44:32] <brainacid> Sorry I dont mean to annoy anyone
[00:44:49] <brainacid> maybe I read that out of context
[00:44:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> annoy gravis all you like. he's our resident troll when poutine isn't handy.
[00:45:23] <SpallsHurgenson> awwww, I wanted that job...
[00:45:29] <SpallsHurgenson> what am I resident of?
[00:45:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, pants required.
[00:45:34] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: just because i dont worship your fox news gods, doesn't make me a troll.
[00:45:34] <brainacid> Im just admant about my position thats all, real backbone, the kind of dude you want to be with when the Zombies or Aliens attack ;)
[00:45:51] <SpallsHurgenson> pantsist!
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[00:46:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, i'm in too good a mood from that dinner to play battle of the trolls tonight. you'll have to fill my part in yourself.
[00:46:29] <brainacid> I never read news until I found soylent on deoxy.org
[00:47:07] * Yog-Yogguth oes not want a dude wif alien zombies attack, what would a dude do?
[00:47:24] <Gravis> brainacid: oh... you should try slashdot.com
[00:47:33] <brainacid> oh yeah too techie
[00:47:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> i read a few. there's several good sources out there if you don't mind weak comments and ads.
[00:47:48] <brainacid> its nice tho
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[00:48:41] <brainacid> my ontology keeps me from many things which makes space for other stuff
[00:48:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> techdirt is good for liberty-related stuff. their comments aren't even any worse than ours.
[00:48:47] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: the AC crowd there seem more his speed
[00:49:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> that cinches it, you gotta come on staff if only to annoy Gravis, brainacid.
[00:49:50] <brainacid> Well when you figure the bond number behing your SS card then everything else just turns to mish mash, such a depraved rich population using our exemption, not fair so I just chillax
[00:50:22] <Gravis> brainacid: you're with the SS?
[00:50:26] <Gravis> fucking nazi
[00:50:31] <brainacid> Social Security
[00:50:40] <Gravis> oh suuuure.
[00:50:43] <Gravis> ;P
[00:50:49] <brainacid> :P
[00:50:50] <SpallsHurgenson> you support social security? fucking commie. :)
[00:50:54] <brainacid> jaja
[00:50:56] <brainacid> awesome
[00:51:00] <brainacid> Im glad I connected
[00:51:06] <brainacid> was gonna watch DragonBall Z
[00:51:07] <Yog-Yogguth> #socialist SpallsHurgenson
[00:51:23] <Yog-Yogguth> err
[00:51:27] <Yog-Yogguth> .socialist SpallsHurgenson
[00:51:44] * TheMightyBuzzard goes SS3 and starts kicking nine kinds of hell out of exec
[00:51:47] <Yog-Yogguth> XP
[00:51:58] <Gravis> you support having a police force and fire fighters that don't takes estimates first? socialism!
[00:52:00] <brainacid> jaja
[00:52:31] <brainacid> not sure if police are really necessary since everyone should be armed anyways
[00:52:32] <SpallsHurgenson> anyway, SS stands for System Shock... I thought everyone knew that
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[00:52:44] <chromas> #socialis MrPlow
[00:52:46] <chromas> #socialist MrPlow
[00:52:48] <brainacid> hi bob hows the nsa today
[00:53:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> #load
[00:53:06] <PlowKing> loaded
[00:53:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> #socialist MrPlow
[00:53:14] <PlowKing> MrPlow, you're a socialist!
[00:53:19] <brainacid> Of course it is
[00:53:38] <brainacid> the source of all real malware
[00:53:55] <brainacid> manipulators of manipulators
[00:54:03] * chromas suspects crutchy's about to timeout
[00:54:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, they just wish they were
[00:54:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> they'd have to actually be able to crunch all the data they have to be scary.
[00:54:42] <brainacid> perhaps no one will ever know, at least not anyone at our level
[00:54:46] <Gravis> actually, capitalism is literally the cause of malware
[00:54:51] <brainacid> Indeed
[00:55:11] <brainacid> but oh well just another 430,000 yrs before Kalki appears
[00:55:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, socialists created it. capitalists just co-opted it recently.
[00:55:48] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: what are you talking about?
[00:55:51] <brainacid> social capitalism is simpy communist roman empire
[00:55:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> malware
[00:56:08] <brainacid> Pope is King
[00:56:09] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: really, because it seemed like you were talking about bullshit.
[00:56:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> it was invented by bored asshat code monkeys who are largely socialists.
[00:56:28] <brainacid> Its ok to make money just dont hog it all and make everyone your enemy
[00:56:58] <brainacid> but they cant see past their own
[00:57:26] <SpallsHurgenson> <sigh> there are no eggs in my fridge :(
[00:57:39] <brainacid> damn <sigh> poor chickens
[00:57:41] <SpallsHurgenson> I wanted to make brownies too :(
[00:57:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, no cake for you then.
[00:57:50] <brainacid> eggless brownies are just the same
[00:58:03] <BadCoderFinger> SpallsHurgenson: Either you've no hens, or you forgot to lay any this morning.
[00:58:07] <Gravis> brainacid: yeah, if you are a heroin addict
[00:58:08] <brainacid> oh and use Coconut oil
[00:58:21] <brainacid> I only snorted heroin in my dreams
[00:58:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh ya, you can use applesauce instead of eggs. doesn't taste quite right but it'll do in a pinch.
[00:58:33] <brainacid> too scary to try in real life
[00:58:46] <SpallsHurgenson> I dreamed I was game-mastering a Starsky and Hutch roleplaying game last night...
[00:58:51] <brainacid> oh applesauce mmmm have to try that
[00:58:56] <Gravis> brainacid: but steriods?
[00:59:04] <brainacid> yeah did a cycle 3 yrs ago
[00:59:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> roids are fun
[00:59:16] <brainacid> Test E/Tren A
[00:59:24] <BadCoderFinger> SpallsHurgenson: Your last statement implies you need mental aid.
[00:59:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> almost as fun as amphetamines
[00:59:41] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: is that how you fucked up your brain?
[00:59:42] <brainacid> smoked ice once in San Diego, didnt do shit for me
[00:59:58] <SpallsHurgenson> BadCoderFinger: or in desperate need of a new gaming group :)
[01:00:00] <brainacid> just quit smoking grass 2 wks ago
[01:00:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, seeing the endless stupidity of humanity did that for me.
[01:00:18] <Gravis> 2 weeks ago? lol. you didn't quit
[01:00:29] <brainacid> 14 yr burning
[01:00:52] <BadCoderFinger> SpallsHurgenson: This could be true. Move to Denver, we have cool games!
[01:00:52] <brainacid> time to stop for good indeed, already 31 so getting real serious about getting jacked
[01:01:06] <brainacid> hopefully by 40 im moving 6 plates
[01:01:28] <SpallsHurgenson> there were some awesome but simple rules for car chases in that dream... I wish I could remember 'em :)
[01:01:37] <Gravis> brainacid: so... what's it like to waste your life in the hope of accomplishing nothing?
[01:01:46] <brainacid> I drove a Skyline GT-R v34 in a dream once
[01:01:51] <BadCoderFinger> SpallsHurgenson: You just got "Car Wars" on ebay, didn't you?
[01:02:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, you waste more time on irc than he does. you tell us.
[01:02:23] <SpallsHurgenson> car wars was not simple (or really that awesome, if memory serves)
[01:02:33] <brainacid> well Gravis I acknowledge its nothing but I know its Krsna's energy Im moving so its more like bhakti yoga for me, since I am not in control of anything
[01:02:48] <Gravis> brainacid: wtf is a krsna?
[01:02:57] <brainacid> its the Tao
[01:03:00] <brainacid> Ala
[01:03:19] <Gravis> LOL
[01:03:34] <Gravis> brainacid: question nothing and you'll believe anything.
[01:03:35] <SpallsHurgenson> only krishnas I know are the hairy ones :)
[01:04:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break. SpallsHurgenson, abuse Gravis for me while i'm out.
[01:04:51] <SpallsHurgenson> might be difficult but I'll give it a whirl
[01:05:09] * SpallsHurgenson flails around blindly "Someone tell me if gravis screeches in pain"
[01:05:12] <brainacid> Like Yakuzas, live fast leave a pretty corpse, so for me live jacked leave a huge corpse
[01:05:48] <Gravis> brainacid: the only thing you will leave is the corpse of a fool.
[01:05:50] <brainacid> I question everythin daily
[01:06:15] <BadCoderFinger> brainacid: Read David Hume first.
[01:06:21] <Gravis> brainacid: really? then why can't this "energy" be detected?
[01:07:02] <Gravis> brainacid: the correct answer is because it's a figment of you imagination
[01:07:10] <brainacid> It can
[01:07:19] <brainacid> its called sound vibration
[01:07:36] <brainacid> I can wake u up by whispering in your ear
[01:07:56] <Gravis> so it's been proven by science? oh that sounds likely.
[01:07:59] <brainacid> even if you screwing some hot pr0n star in your dreams
[01:08:17] <brainacid> A simple sound can arose your consciousness
[01:08:31] <Gravis> brainacid: yeah, evolution made that possible
[01:08:35] <brainacid> Just the simple fact that denial is your reaction proves your soul exist
[01:08:51] <brainacid> Sure evolution of you consciousness not these material vehicles
[01:09:11] <brainacid> its all out there
[01:09:16] <brainacid> and all inside
[01:09:20] <brainacid> Tao
[01:09:30] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: so, you are down with the Tao, eh? ;)
[01:09:49] <brainacid> just a chinese version of Krsna
[01:09:56] * SpallsHurgenson curses mightily as he gets stuck in the geometry
[01:09:57] <brainacid> so is Christ and many other names
[01:10:06] <brainacid> just like you Gravis
[01:10:11] <brainacid> you got many names as well
[01:10:24] <Gravis> brainacid: oh do go on
[01:10:49] <Gravis> i would love to hear about all my names
[01:11:03] <Gravis> brainacid: are these names from past lives?
[01:11:06] <brainacid> the fact that it erks people that there might be a person as the center and circumference and hub of all things always is another fact that it might be true in theory so why not call Him/Her out
[01:11:43] <brainacid> Gravis: your real name, designations (friend, foe, farther, son, uncle), nicknames etc...
[01:11:51] <brainacid> all nouns
[01:11:54] <brainacid> names
[01:11:58] <brainacid> no?
[01:12:17] <brainacid> You may think something now, but you will remember this converstation of text at the time of death
[01:12:24] <takyon> are we complaining about grammar or god
[01:12:32] <brainacid> dunno no difference
[01:12:33] <brainacid> lol
[01:12:54] <takyon> "taking the brainacid"
[01:13:07] <brainacid> just talking in general of the idea of one simple energy that is in everything and is everyone but different simultaneously
[01:13:08] <SpallsHurgenson> my 2nd grade english teacher would agree with that... she loved her gerunds :)
[01:13:30] <brainacid> I did my first trip 4/20 last year
[01:13:40] <brainacid> when SilkRoad 2.0 was online
[01:13:43] <SpallsHurgenson> I mean literally... she got kicked out of school for what she did to those grammar books :)
[01:14:04] <brainacid> grammar is part of the Greek trivium
[01:14:10] <brainacid> the start to enlightenment
[01:14:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, I follow the tao of Ray Scott
[01:14:19] <Gravis> lol
[01:14:20] <brainacid> loved Plato and Plotinus works
[01:14:40] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: i'm glad you like this guy because he's hilarious.
[01:14:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://en.wikipedia.org
[01:14:54] <Barrabot> ^ 03Wiki: Ray Scott (angler)
[01:15:22] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: sadly, he was never acute.
[01:15:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> bah-dum-ching
[01:15:50] <brainacid> I miss George Carlin
[01:16:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> i couldn't stand the guy. gimme dennis leary any day.
[01:16:31] <brainacid> Never really hear Leary
[01:16:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> #youtube dennis leary asshole
[01:16:51] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[01:16:51] <Barrabot> ^ 03Denis Leary - Asshole (Uncensored Version) - YouTube
[01:17:18] * SpallsHurgenson likes the guy with all the funny props :) :) :) :)
[01:17:31] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: why because he pointed out the bullshit in the system you worship?
[01:17:44] <brainacid> He was sharp
[01:18:10] <brainacid> Wish I had the opportunity to rant in front of people
[01:18:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, i'm about as anti-system as you can get. i dislike carlin because he was big govt just from a non-republican direction.
[01:18:22] <brainacid> and I can see that most wont stand me either
[01:18:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> brainacid, right but this is the internet. no sense letting that stop you.
[01:18:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> i sure don't
[01:19:43] <brainacid> Well ive been kicked from some places many times before and I really dont like to make anyone mad, but that just proves that the information causes a real reaction, and they argue words cant hurt you
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[01:20:10] <brainacid> The crowd here so far is cool
[01:20:35] <brainacid> I just registered today after months of lurking AC
[01:20:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> threats are about the only thing that'll get you kicked from here.
[01:20:46] <Gravis> brainacid: great!
[01:20:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> well that and not wearing pants
[01:20:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> .kick SpallsHurgenson
[01:20:54] -!- SpallsHurgenson was kicked from #Soylent by Imogen!Imogen@imogen.dusty.attic [(TheMightyBuzzard) No reason given]
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[01:21:06] <SpallsHurgenson> please sir, can I have another!
[01:21:07] <Gravis> brainacid: be sure you post as yourself.
[01:21:19] <brainacid> Comments sure
[01:21:26] <Gravis> perfect!
[01:21:46] <brainacid> only have commented on my previous AC on todays news
[01:22:08] <brainacid> cant remember the other AC comments but they r very very few
[01:22:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> brainacid, plus now you can enjoy themes other than red.
[01:22:55] <brainacid> I dont eat meat so I wont threaten any humans
[01:23:04] <brainacid> oh really
[01:23:06] <brainacid> nice
[01:23:09] <brainacid> checking ....
[01:23:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i try and write one or two new ones every update or so.
[01:23:48] * SpallsHurgenson eats humans so he won't threaten other meat
[01:23:56] <brainacid> yay blue
[01:24:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> sound thinking, SpallsHurgenson
[01:24:27] <Gravis> SpallsHurgenson: i'm not completely against this idea.
[01:24:36] <brainacid> I do eat pu*** but thats a diff story lol
[01:24:51] <SpallsHurgenson> kitty?!?!?
[01:25:01] <brainacid> no human
[01:25:06] <brainacid> female gender
[01:25:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can say pussy in here. we're not tender young things.
[01:25:11] <brainacid> where we all come out of
[01:25:14] <SpallsHurgenson> I am!
[01:25:25] <brainacid> I respect females in the chan
[01:25:34] <SpallsHurgenson> this is IRC...
[01:25:37] <brainacid> indeed
[01:25:39] * TheMightyBuzzard tosses kitty a sack of catnip
[01:25:49] <SpallsHurgenson> where the men are men, the women are men, and the 8-year old girls are FBI agents
[01:25:55] <brainacid> jaja
[01:25:57] <brainacid> damn
[01:25:58] * TheMightyBuzzard nods
[01:26:03] <Gravis> SpallsHurgenson: that's the truth.
[01:26:08] <brainacid> watch it my kid is 9
[01:26:18] <SpallsHurgenson> ah, NSA!
[01:26:27] <brainacid> she wants a youtube channel! eww..<slap>
[01:26:28] <Gravis> ugh... you replicated... *sigh*
[01:26:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> right but(s)he's not on irc
[01:26:53] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[01:26:53] <Barrabot> ^ 03Microsoft mavens promise proper quantum computer in 10 years • The Register
[01:26:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> ye gads. the comments there are nearly as bad as channers
[01:27:34] <Yog-Yogguth> channers?
[01:27:46] <Yog-Yogguth> YouTube?
[01:27:48] <Gravis> takyon: microsoft can't even make a proper OS. how do they expect to make a quantum computer?
[01:28:39] <takyon> they make an OS that hundreds of millions of people use
[01:28:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, sure they can. they have their own in-house linux distro.
[01:29:05] * SpallsHurgenson waits for MS-AmigaOS
[01:29:14] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: they didn't make it, they assembled it.
[01:29:29] <brainacid> Only had one Gravis then a vasectomy
[01:29:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> fair nuff
[01:29:35] <brainacid> I know its a shame
[01:29:45] <takyon> "assembled it" then that's what they'll do with quantum
[01:29:47] <brainacid> this world is too crazy and I cant imagine her world
[01:30:01] <Gravis> yeah with people like you out there
[01:30:09] <brainacid> been 7 yrs with blanks
[01:30:14] <brainacid> jaja
[01:30:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> there are many things i would do to make the world a better place but none of them involve my balls.
[01:30:40] <brainacid> I dont steal, plunder and murder, only the descendants of the white man do that shit
[01:30:56] <Gravis> oh... so you're a racist
[01:31:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> brainacid, that's the funniest thing i heard all day man.
[01:31:04] <Gravis> a quality individual for sure
[01:31:07] <crutchy> capitalism++
[01:31:07] <Bender> karma - capitalism: 0
[01:31:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> i invite you to peruse islam.
[01:31:21] <crutchy> .socialist TheMightyBuzzard
[01:31:22] <exec> TheMightyBuzzard, YOU'RE a SOCIALIST!
[01:31:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> or any of the african cultures.
[01:31:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> #socialist crutchy
[01:31:39] <PlowKing> crutchy, you're a socialist!
[01:31:41] <brainacid> pointing out the color of skin aint racist
[01:31:47] <brainacid> just facts
[01:31:58] <crutchy> but... but.... obama! n stuff
[01:32:09] <SpallsHurgenson> <sigh> everybody gets to be a socialist but me :(
[01:32:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> obama `16, baby!
[01:32:16] <Gravis> brainacid: so i guess it's white guys are the ones decapitating people in mexico, eh?
[01:32:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> #socialist SpallsHurgenson
[01:32:18] <PlowKing> SpallsHurgenson, you're a socialist!
[01:32:19] <brainacid> prsidents are created since birth that dont count
[01:32:33] <crutchy> SpallsHurgenson, i haven't yet made a script for pants
[01:32:35] <brainacid> I just generalized to the area
[01:32:40] <crutchy> i guess that's pantsist
[01:32:43] <brainacid> Mexicans are fucking pigs
[01:33:16] <brainacid> I went to Tijuana back in '09 and the hookers are awesome but them dudes are just too demonic
[01:33:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> hell, even here in the US, black folks kill more black folks than anything else.
[01:33:25] <brainacid> Indeed
[01:33:38] <crutchy> .macro .pants * privmsg %%nick%%, ZOMGWTFBBQ YOU'RE wearing PANTS!
[01:33:39] <exec> 02 *** macro with trigger ".pants" and PRIVMSG command template "%%nick%%, ZOMGWTFBBQ YOU'RE wearing PANTS!" saved
[01:33:44] <crutchy> .pants SpallsHurgenson
[01:33:45] <exec> crutchy, ZOMGWTFBBQ YOU'RE wearing PANTS!
[01:33:45] <brainacid> Still a product of the white man since they bought them for labor in the fields
[01:33:46] <Gravis> brainacid: so you are a racist. i get it.
[01:34:00] <SpallsHurgenson> I've never been so insulted in my life
[01:34:05] <crutchy> oops
[01:34:09] <brainacid> Just facts, romans and jews are white too
[01:34:13] <crutchy> .macro .pants * privmsg %%trailing%%, ZOMGWTFBBQ YOU'RE wearing PANTS!
[01:34:14] <exec> 02 *** macro with trigger ".pants" and PRIVMSG command template "%%trailing%%, ZOMGWTFBBQ YOU'RE wearing PANTS!" saved
[01:34:16] <crutchy> .pants SpallsHurgenson
[01:34:17] <exec> SpallsHurgenson, ZOMGWTFBBQ YOU'RE wearing PANTS!
[01:34:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, you're right, you haven't. he insulted himself.
[01:34:20] <brainacid> so were the germans who tried to exterminate
[01:34:38] <crutchy> i'm at work, so brain is retarded
[01:34:54] <chromas> that's what they pay you for
[01:34:54] <crutchy> actually what am i talking about. my brain is retarded at home too
[01:34:58] <brainacid> Puertoricans aint no different, drug lords and killers
[01:35:03] <Gravis> crutchy: you're still a cut above brainacid. ;)
[01:35:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> mao. biggest murderer of all time.
[01:35:22] * crutchy pours acid on his brain
[01:35:42] <SpallsHurgenson> hey, stop stealing my oranges
[01:35:42] <crutchy> OMG! my dick hurts!
[01:35:45] * chromas suspects brainacid could be a faminist and/or sjw
[01:35:56] <brainacid> there is a lil bit of evil in all races, fact that this last 500 yrs white folk are the nut jobs
[01:35:59] * SpallsHurgenson suspects an intentional troll :)
[01:36:08] <brainacid> its hard to be racist
[01:36:17] <brainacid> Its just a temp material body
[01:36:21] <Gravis> brainacid: you do it so well though
[01:36:27] <crutchy> brainacid, true... you have to go really fast
[01:36:30] <brainacid> and I know folk hate being pointed the color of skin lol
[01:36:53] * crutchy offers brainacid moar wheatbix
[01:36:54] <brainacid> Nah man Im a real sweet tart
[01:36:56] <SpallsHurgenson> and since life is too short for that sort of thing... <plonk>
[01:37:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth's truth regardless of if it's politically correct. make sure you got your shat straight first though.
[01:37:09] <Gravis> brainacid: yeah because we understand what racism is.
[01:37:11] <brainacid> again just the facts
[01:37:11] <Yog-Yogguth> wetabrix...
[01:37:25] <brainacid> oh well
[01:37:28] <crutchy> Yog-Yogguth, no no no... that's brixist
[01:37:33] <Gravis> brainacid: tell me... where are these facts?
[01:37:34] <brainacid> I have seen it with my own eyes
[01:37:40] <brainacid> the facts
[01:37:47] <brainacid> umm good question
[01:37:50] <brainacid> where
[01:37:55] <Yog-Yogguth> crutchy: it's an odd cereal :3
[01:38:03] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you sure know how to pick 'em
[01:38:05] <brainacid> history books perhaps
[01:38:18] <brainacid> I just go with the flow
[01:38:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, he's fun.
[01:38:26] <Gravis> brainacid: but it's all the white man's fault, right?
[01:38:28] <SpallsHurgenson> now I only hear happy voices in my head :)
[01:38:30] <brainacid> Nah
[01:38:35] <brainacid> Never said that
[01:38:47] <brainacid> in this part of the country it is
[01:39:07] <brainacid> just look at the 1% of rich folks
[01:39:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, i put up with you, ethanol-fueled, and even poutine. anyone else is easy by comparison.
[01:39:18] <Gravis> <brainacid> I dont steal, plunder and murder, only the descendants of the white man do that shit
[01:39:32] <brainacid> a vague generalization
[01:39:41] <brainacid> someone found it funny
[01:39:44] <Gravis> brainacid: yeah... based on race... which is racism
[01:39:53] <brainacid> no such thing as race dude
[01:39:54] <Yog-Yogguth> crutchy: oops sorri I didn't remember the name right (Weetabix)
[01:40:03] <brainacid> its a melting pot
[01:40:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> right. think it's bedtime for me.
[01:40:11] <SpallsHurgenson> <sigh> I'm not even in the running as far as TMB is concerned...
[01:40:25] <Gravis> brainacid: so you don't understand genetics either. got it.
[01:40:31] <Yog-Yogguth> cya TheMightyBuzzard :)
[01:40:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, you just run around flopping in the wind and otherwise being silly.
[01:40:35] <brainacid> nite
[01:40:55] * SpallsHurgenson is a founding member of the Ministry of Silly Flops
[01:40:56] <brainacid> from now on I can just say humans
[01:41:09] <crutchy> that's humanist!
[01:41:21] <brainacid> since its 'racist' to point out 'color'
[01:41:22] <Gravis> brainacid: doesn't matter how you phrase it, you are still a racist.
[01:41:28] <brainacid> jaja
[01:41:45] <crutchy> brainacid, don't worry about Gravis... you know how socialists are :p
[01:41:50] <brainacid> haha
[01:42:19] <crutchy> money is ebil, obama is my wet dream, the moon is full of nazis...
[01:42:53] <crutchy> we love him all the same though :)
[01:43:04] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[01:43:05] <Barrabot> ^ 03Russian peeping Toms look at but won't touch popped web data troves • The Register
[01:43:05] * crutchy offers Gravis his half-chewed crayon
[01:43:53] <Gravis> brainacid: i can only hope the world is clensed of your kind of stupidity.
[01:44:06] <Gravis> cleansed*
[01:44:12] <brainacid> Gravis: you might be correct but I in my daily life accept all people as they are regardless of color, but most people are morons so I tend to not interact with anyone, since my daily visit to Walmart is not enlightening at all only when I see hot white girls
[01:44:44] <Yog-Yogguth> *possibly emanating from Russia* or possibly emanating from Mars :3
[01:45:01] <brainacid> I have spoken to some intelligent folk in Academia that see it just as I do, but that doesnt matter honestly, shit is only going to get worse
[01:45:33] <SpallsHurgenson> http://thehackernews.com
[01:45:34] <Barrabot> ^ 03How to Weaponize your Cat to Hack Neighbours? Wi-Fi Passwords - The Hacker News
[01:45:49] <brainacid> I honestly hope the end of days comes on and cleanse my ass, im tired of this body already, trust me im ready for the next life
[01:46:11] <SpallsHurgenson> whoa... 2014... old article. why was I never informed of this use of kitteh before?
[01:46:16] <crutchy> wow there is intelligent folk in academia!?
[01:47:00] <brainacid> and if you read the backlog Gravis at anytime I have ever said anything directly at you like 'you are a fucking idiot'
[01:47:19] <SpallsHurgenson> crutchy: well, they sure as hell aren't on IRC :)
[01:47:22] <brainacid> unlike yourself my friend have mounted attack after attack
[01:47:31] <brainacid> jaja
[01:47:41] <Yog-Yogguth> SpallsHurgenson: you underestimate yourself :)
[01:47:44] <brainacid> Ok I am done practicing my typing
[01:47:51] <brainacid> until next time gents
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[01:48:01] <Gravis> fantastic
[01:48:02] <Yog-Yogguth> cya brainchild
[01:48:22] <Gravis> that one is a real gem. -_-
[01:48:30] <crutchy> !grab Gravis
[01:48:31] <Bender> Added quote 573
[01:48:57] <crutchy> we're all gems in our own bent way
[01:49:09] <crutchy> !woop
[01:49:09] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[01:49:09] <Yog-Yogguth> !quote 573
[01:49:14] <Yog-Yogguth> lol
[01:49:31] <crutchy> !quote
[01:49:31] <Bender> quote <ID/search string>
[01:49:34] <crutchy> hmm
[01:49:35] <Yog-Yogguth> nice error message there :)
[01:49:41] <SpallsHurgenson> O
[01:49:45] <crutchy> !quote 573
[01:49:45] <Bender> Quote 573 - <Gravis> that one is a real gem. -_-
[01:49:48] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm cubic zirconium!
[01:49:59] <takyon> !quote 555
[01:49:59] <Bender> Quote 555 - <badcoderfinger> Spalls: That's just silly. ISIS doesn't have IRC, that's too sinful. They have FatwaBook instead.
[01:50:13] <Gravis> SpallsHurgenson: shouldn't you just say you are zirconium^3?
[01:50:24] <crutchy> maybe you gotta be identified with nickserv to use !quote?
[01:50:56] <takyon> http://www.npr.org
[01:50:56] <Barrabot> ^ 03Nevada Shuts Down Daily Fantasy Sports Sites : The Two-Way : NPR
[01:51:02] <crutchy> Gravis, wtf is zirconium carrot 3?
[01:51:24] <Gravis> crutchy: cubic zirconium
[01:51:27] <Yog-Yogguth> power not carrot
[01:51:37] <crutchy> or maybe its caret
[01:51:43] <crutchy> i don't eat carets though
[01:51:47] <Yog-Yogguth> :)
[01:51:59] <crutchy> they're a bit too pointy
[01:52:30] <Bytram|away> http://feedproxy.google.com
[01:52:30] <Yog-Yogguth> carrots are pointy too
[01:52:31] <Barrabot> ^ 03Dozens of Major Websites Crash All at Once | SecurityWeek.Com ( http://www.securityweek.com )
[01:52:35] <crutchy> so has russia nuked syria yet?
[01:53:16] <crutchy> Bytram|away, its ok it was only in the USA :p
[01:55:04] * Deucalion rises from the dank depths, eyes aflame and glares around before disappearing again. /me shall return once the blood manages to go off the boil.
[01:55:26] <SpallsHurgenson> I think we've just been jugged
[01:55:58] <crutchy> https://www.rt.com
[01:56:00] <Barrabot> ^ 03Russia to kill drones, missiles with 10km-range super-high frequency cannon — RT News
[01:56:04] <crutchy> ok yeah i know its RT
[01:56:15] <Yog-Yogguth> that one ahs been on SN crutchy
[01:56:15] <crutchy> but if it works... COOOOOOOL!
[01:56:21] <Yog-Yogguth> old news by now
[01:56:22] <crutchy> oh
[01:56:24] <SpallsHurgenson> related? http://thehackernews.com
[01:56:25] <Barrabot> ^ 03First Ever Anti-Drone Weapon that Shoots Down UAVs with Radio Waves - The Hacker News
[01:56:27] <Yog-Yogguth> and it's real
[01:56:35] <crutchy> COOOOOOOOL!
[01:56:44] <Yog-Yogguth> as is th US stuff
[01:56:58] <takyon> couldn't this be averted by making the UAVs semi-autonomous with a pre-programmed flight plan?
[01:57:19] <Yog-Yogguth> they pump out a lot of energy, it will be fried even if off
[01:57:21] <crutchy> yeah but for it to be cool you gotta put it on a truck, like this https://www.rt.com
[01:57:22] <SpallsHurgenson> "As soon as the trigger is pulled, DroneDefender emits radio pulses that interrupt the communications system of the drone (both drone and GPS signal it sends out) and makes it think that it gone out of range, thereby preventing the drone from accepting any additional commands from its operator."
[01:57:42] <crutchy> s/truck/tank/
[01:57:42] <sedctl> <crutchy> yeah but for it to be cool you gotta put it on a tank, like this https://www.rt.com
[01:57:54] <SpallsHurgenson> why would a drone stop accepting more commands 'cause it thinks its out of range? what if it gets back in range? I think the article is being silly
[01:58:12] <Gravis> that piece of shit won't do a damn thing to preprogrammed UAVs
[01:58:14] <Yog-Yogguth> they have some of them on trucks too, huuuuge antennas
[01:59:14] <Yog-Yogguth> EMP is EMP
[01:59:15] <crutchy> Gravis, i guess for those russia will have to revert to their usual tactic... shitloads of missiles and high power machine guns
[01:59:23] <takyon> people could use pre-programmed UAVs anyway. manual control is for lusers
[01:59:45] <Gravis> and that looks like a jammer specifically for 2.4GHz
[02:00:12] <takyon> https://theintercept.com
[02:00:13] <Barrabot> ^ 03FDA Nominee Helped Medical Industry Find and Pay Faculty for “Regulatory Consulting”
[02:00:22] <Yog-Yogguth> really... both the US and the Russians are doing select band EMP with those weapons, it would fry anything even as small as a raspberry pi
[02:00:25] <crutchy> they could make an awesome wifi hotspot... distracting the enemy by giving them access to facebook on the battlefield
[02:00:43] <Yog-Yogguth> lol :)
[02:01:02] <takyon> NotATrojanWiFiHotSpot
[02:01:15] <Gravis> Yog-Yogguth: that is not an EMP weapon
[02:01:25] <SpallsHurgenson> soldiers posting selfies on facebook is easier and cheaper than reconaissance drones too :)
[02:02:06] <crutchy> SpallsHurgenson, yeah... and not just for the enemy :p
[02:02:19] <Gravis> crutchy: "shitloads of missiles and high power machine guns" works... until you run out of both
[02:02:23] <SpallsHurgenson> plus, lots of cameras embed gps coords in the pix, so instant targeting data :)
[02:02:59] <takyon> https://theintercept.com
[02:03:00] <Barrabot> ^ 03The Drone Papers
[02:03:00] <Gravis> crutchy: how many rounds do you think they would have to expend to take out 50k small drones?
[02:03:04] <crutchy> Gravis, maybe that would be true for most countries, but i doubt russia is ever gunna run out of ammo. they would use people as ammo
[02:03:14] <Gravis> crutchy: LOL
[02:03:25] <takyon> "The Drone Papers" just came out today apparently. Didn't see it in my RSS feed. "On Thursday, The Intercept released an extensive, eight-part report called The Drone Papers, exposing the inner workings of the Obama Administration's capture/kill drone missions between 2011 and 2013."
[02:03:25] <Deucalion> Why is it you can never find a story that was published a couple weeks back? Must be lack of google-fu on my part.....
[02:03:26] <SpallsHurgenson> people make awful ammo; not at all aerodynamic
[02:03:30] <crutchy> they make ammo instead of food
[02:03:36] <Gravis> crutchy: they would run out of people
[02:03:41] <takyon> The report focuses on secret documents leaked by an anonymous whistleblower, who "decided to provide these documents to The Intercept because he believes the public has a right to understand the process by which people are placed on kill lists and ultimately assassinated on orders from the highest echelons of the US government," according to part one of The Drone Papers.
[02:03:55] <Yog-Yogguth> I linked it earlier tanyon, read about halfway through it so far
[02:04:01] <crutchy> Gravis, i think they clone people or something. i'm sure that's what zi germans thought during ww2
[02:04:31] <crutchy> i have nfi where everyone in the red army came from, but it was formidable
[02:04:31] <takyon> I'm going to skim through it and start a submission
[02:04:40] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[02:04:40] <Yog-Yogguth> it's very verbose
[02:04:46] <Bytram> Deucalion: what story are you looking for?
[02:04:57] <crutchy> anyway, back to work for me
[02:04:59] <crutchy> cyas
[02:05:06] <Yog-Yogguth> cya crutchy
[02:05:09] <Bytram> crutchy: ciao for now
[02:05:43] * SpallsHurgenson finds a story from a couple weeks back for Deucalion: http://thenextweb.com
[02:05:44] <Barrabot> ^ 03Patreon was hacked, personal data accessed
[02:08:48] <takyon> i'm considering summarizing each part of the drone papers in my submission
[02:08:52] <takyon> anyone want to help me
[02:09:11] <Gravis> takyon: and get on the kill list? no thanks. :P
[02:09:13] <SpallsHurgenson> sorry, I'm just here for the silly comments
[02:09:24] <takyon> talking to Yog mostly, he seems to be on the ball
[02:09:32] <Yog-Yogguth> not really XD (I shoudl ahve gone to bed hours ago)
[02:09:41] <takyon> sheeeeit oh well
[02:09:54] <Deucalion> Bytram, the air burst, field troop launchable grenade, but the range finder in is in the launcher rather than relying on aiming some trajectory with the dumb ones. Makes killing anything on the other side of a fusillade easy by detonating just over the other side. Already in the field on "trial" - I just can't remember the correct term to find what I need.
[02:09:58] <takyon> a summary with 8 parts is still going to be long
[02:10:27] <Bytram> Deucalion: hmm, don't recall reading that one
[02:10:35] <Yog-Yogguth> there's one frightening quote in there somewhere though (at least to me): something along the lines of them bemoaning that they do not have total visual surveillance all the time (I'm extrapolating) so we know what they want...
[02:10:37] <Gravis> takyon: well... it was nice knowin' ya. :P
[02:10:56] <Deucalion> Bytram, Will Smith got to you with his flash pen! :D
[02:11:01] <takyon> yeah no kidding, see you later
[02:11:09] <takyon> thanks I'll keep an eye out for that Yog
[02:11:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - VW Responds to Diesel Scandal, Says “the Future is Electric” - http://sylnt.us - oh-woe-is-das-auto
[02:12:01] <SpallsHurgenson> electricity to be generated in VW powerplants that burn babies for fuel :)
[02:12:09] <Gravis> LOL
[02:12:20] <Bytram> Deucalion: I saw him when I was on vacation many many years ago. Wished I had had the courage to go up and chat with him, then. :/
[02:12:33] <Gravis> SpallsHurgenson: and here i was thinking solar power would be a good solution!
[02:13:31] <Gravis> Bytram: why? what could you possibly say to him that would be good for either of you?
[02:14:06] <Yog-Yogguth> "Hey Frsh Prince, whazzup!"? :)
[02:14:08] <Bytram> why not? What could you possibly say to me that would be good for either of us?
[02:14:16] <Bytram> ;)
[02:15:06] <Gravis> Bytram: i'm sure he's hounded by people constantly going up to him and saying how they are huge fans and it just wastes his time.
[02:15:43] <SpallsHurgenson> "Okay, here's the situation: my parent's went away on a week's vacation aaaand they left the keys to the brand new porsche? Would they mind? Ummm, nah of course not"
[02:15:51] <Bytram> this was before he was *really* big; I'm talking over 25 years ago.
[02:16:08] <Bytram> maybe closer to 30 years.
[02:16:37] <Gravis> Bytram: so... when he was in high school?
[02:18:03] <Deucalion> Bytram, XM25 (googleable if you feel so inclined) was what I was thinking. Still in "test" - yet apparently been in use for a good few years in the field (but that could be the test). The clever is in the sighting mechanism that allows anyone proficient with a rifle to plop an airburst round just over a wall or structure or w/e.
[02:18:05] <Bytram> and, believe it or not, I am capable of talking about things besides saying what a big fan of his I am. Buy him a beer. ask him how his vacation was going. Ask him if he was planning to jump off the cliff, too. (This was at Rick's in Negril Jamaica)
[02:18:32] <Yog-Yogguth> 24 sounds about right
[02:18:40] <SpallsHurgenson> ACTION sings "Everywhere we go downtown or to a show we have two necessities Charlie Mack and our limo / He's feared by suckers yet he's loved by kids; pay attention and let me tell you who Charlie Mack / He is our homeboy from around the block, he's regarded through the city as the hip hop cop / Height about 6'6" weight about 290, everywhere I go Charlie Mack is right behind me / He never laughs, never smiles nor sweats, he
[02:19:07] <Bytram> Deucalion: Sounds impressive. Sigh. why are humans so creative when it comes to things that can be used to kill other people?
[02:19:43] <Gravis> Bytram: because we really hate people that aren't us.
[02:20:07] <SpallsHurgenson> not all inventions are used for murder
[02:20:26] <SpallsHurgenson> why, I'm sure that ever-useful invention the trebuchet has no violent applications whatsoever :)
[02:20:31] <Bytram> speaking for yourself, I assume? I hold no antipathy for my fellow[wo]man.
[02:21:00] <Gravis> SpallsHurgenson: then explain the tamagotchi! it's for murder and only murder!
[02:21:22] <Gravis> Bytram: humans in general.
[02:21:31] <Bytram> btw: http://rickscafejamaica.com
[02:21:32] <Barrabot> ^ 03Rick's Cafe
[02:21:35] <Gravis> it's called tribalism
[02:22:51] * Bytram jumped twice. Thankfully, I am nearsighted so it didn't seem quite so scary jumping off the 30-some-odd foot cliff into the bay.
[02:24:09] <SpallsHurgenson> odd, I thought rick's cafe was in casablanca
[02:25:00] <Gravis> Bytram: even if you dont hate someone, someone hates you.
[02:26:13] <Gravis> Bytram: and they would sooner cut you to pieces than talk to you
[02:26:45] <Bytram> between my work on this site and 'IRL' I've met people from all around the world. Sure, there's gonna be a few troublesome people wherever you go, but pretty much everyone I've met just wants to get on with their life, be reasonably happy, and to get along.
[02:26:46] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: you're right, of course; trbuchets were invented to facilitate the exodus of pants
[02:27:08] <SpallsHurgenson> a noble goal!
[02:27:32] <Gravis> Bytram: yes that's because you have only dealt with people in business.
[02:28:48] <Bytram> I have also traveled to 6 european nations and had the same kinds of experiences with the people I met there.
[02:29:19] <SpallsHurgenson> I wish I could travel but they never let me out of my cage anymore...
[02:29:20] <Bytram> I'm talking about my first-hand experiences -- what first-hand experiences have you had?
[02:29:44] <Gravis> Bytram: an entire six countries? oh wow... so many.
[02:29:56] <Gravis> Bytram: you do realize how many countries there are, right/
[02:30:00] <Deucalion> Bytram, Gravis touched on it (needs expansion). I'd like to think with our expanded ability to communicate the reasons to be so border / race / ethnicity defined would diminish.... all just a misunderstanding. And it did, for a time... then where the hell are we headed now? Nationalists in many EU nations forming strong forces and demanding separation from that. I agree, some nations should not be on the Euro.... it does them no good. But we ar
[02:30:00] <Deucalion> e seeing regional intolerance again within states. Like seeing inter-faction fighting begin again. Oh wait... here come the Ottoman - they'll sort us out. Welcome to Europe :D
[02:30:01] <Bytram> I don't recall claiming that it was a lot of countries.
[02:30:06] <Bytram> how many have you visited?
[02:30:42] <Gravis> Bytram: all of them and then i invented one!
[02:30:45] <SpallsHurgenson> personally, I blame Microsoft.
[02:31:03] <Bytram> Gravis: that surely puts your comments in perspective!
[02:31:14] <Gravis> SpallsHurgenson: well if they are all stuck with win95, i understand there anger. :P
[02:32:10] <Gravis> Bytram: what i'm trying to say is that six westernized countries is hardly a variety of cultures.
[02:32:42] <Gravis> Bytram: they probably share most of the same values as we do.
[02:32:59] <Bytram> Gravis: maybe I missed your reply -- how many countries have you visited?
[02:33:31] <Gravis> Bytram: only a couple but i've talked to people from all over the world.
[02:34:17] * Deucalion eyes something better to do
[02:34:47] <SpallsHurgenson> better than IRC? what could be better than that?
[02:34:47] <Bytram> besides those Ive visited in person, I have made friends with and have had in-person conversations with people from: Cambodia, Thailand, Laos, Vietnam, Bulgaria, China, and prolly some others that I've forgotten at the moment.
[02:34:56] <Yog-Yogguth> Deucalion Takyon wanted help trying to summarize the Drone papers from the Intercept (I bailed)
[02:35:14] <takyon> what I'm doing is summarizing part 1, which is in itself a summary
[02:35:24] <takyon> then linking the rest
[02:35:25] <Gravis> Bytram: try having a debate about islam in pakistan and tell me how it goes.
[02:35:53] <Gravis> Bytram: of course you wont be able to because you will have been murdered.
[02:36:02] <Yog-Yogguth> try having a debate about islam in Europe and see how that goes too :P (no I should stay out of this)
[02:36:04] <Bytram> and why would I do that? That's *asking* for a fight! I try to meet people with where they are at.
[02:36:50] <Bytram> I speak from my first-hand experience; I try to avoid telling other people what they should or should not do.
[02:37:43] <Gravis> trying to debate something should never be a pretext to being murdered.
[02:38:25] <Bytram> and where did I say that it should be?
[02:38:34] <Bytram> that sounds to me like putting words in my mouth.
[02:39:06] <Gravis> "That's *asking* for a fight!"
[02:39:46] <Gravis> they don't want a fight, they want to murder you. there is a difference.
[02:39:50] <Bytram> I was replying to your suggestion that I debate something (inappropriate) in a foreign country. I pointed out that was dangerous.
[02:39:54] <Bytram> and, that said, I'm growing weary of this. I feel like I am being baited and have no interest in continuing this discussion.
[02:40:01] <Bytram> chat with someone else if you'd like.
[02:40:53] <Deucalion> Yog-Yogguth, "debate Islam in Europe" is about as meaningful as "debate Islam in the US". Both encompass millions of people with hugely varying views, histories etc. etc etc.
[02:41:11] <takyon> ok I'm almost done
[02:41:18] <takyon> it's super long even before extended copy
[02:41:36] <chromas> Summarize your summary of the summary
[02:42:02] <Deucalion> Can I just get a powerpoint?
[02:42:03] <SpallsHurgenson> in one word or less
[02:42:13] <Bytram> SpallsHurgenson: no.
[02:42:16] <Gravis> takyon: murder someone you disagree with!
[02:42:16] <Bytram> =)
[02:42:26] <takyon> Yes!
[02:42:29] * Deucalion sighs
[02:42:47] <takyon> one word summary: Obamakills
[02:42:53] <Yog-Yogguth> they have powerpoints Deucalion :)
[02:43:36] <Yog-Yogguth> in fact when reading the bits I have so far I started thinking about it as war by powerpoint
[02:43:55] <Yog-Yogguth> it's warfare MBA-style
[02:44:28] <Yog-Yogguth> it's as if Nixon's (or was it someone else) McNamara has been made into the greatest military min ever
[02:44:36] <Yog-Yogguth> mind*
[02:45:02] <Yog-Yogguth> instead of the complete idiot he was
[02:45:35] <takyon> minions
[02:45:45] <takyon> help me find other sites that are covering this release
[02:45:50] <takyon> like a NYT article or w/e
[02:46:38] <Gravis> takyon: you have to call them news monkeys if you want their respect.
[02:46:40] <SpallsHurgenson> Robert McNamara (or Big Bobby McN as he was called by his homies) was Kennedy's boy :)
[02:46:56] <takyon> how about gophers
[02:47:12] <Yog-Yogguth> here's the RT one https://www.rt.com
[02:47:13] <Barrabot> ^* 03Leaked: 'New Snowden' releases Obama's drone program papers — RT USA
[02:47:16] <Gravis> takyon: you just dont get it!
[02:47:41] <Yog-Yogguth> thanks for the correction SpallsHurgenson :)
[02:47:58] <Gravis> takyon: maybe you could try calling them "fuckwads" ;)
[02:48:01] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[02:48:18] <Bytram|away> time to catch some shuteye -- good night everybody!
[02:48:26] <Yog-Yogguth> takyon: it's probably not right to call it a new Snowden like they did
[02:48:26] <takyon> night
[02:48:34] <Yog-Yogguth> cya Bytram|away :)
[02:48:38] <takyon> yeah I haven't done so in my text
[02:49:14] <takyon> i'll see what cryptome's up to
[02:49:47] <Yog-Yogguth> there's lots and lots of coverage: https://www.google.com
[02:50:00] <Deucalion> Yog-Yogguth, when was war over anything but financial wealth? Ergo power. How far back must we go?
[02:50:16] <takyon> thanks
[02:50:17] <Gravis> dog walking. see you later, fuckwads. ;P
[02:50:24] <Yog-Yogguth> I don't think we have to go back all that far
[02:50:33] <Yog-Yogguth> cya Gravis
[02:50:53] <SpallsHurgenson> the trojan war was all about the sexy :)
[02:50:59] <Yog-Yogguth> :D
[02:51:08] <Yog-Yogguth> the gay sexy :)
[02:51:08] <Deucalion> Yog-Yogguth, the Ottoman empire, the Roman, the Greek?
[02:51:26] <Yog-Yogguth> breakup of Yugoslavia wasn't really about money
[02:51:45] <Deucalion> post soviet collapse?
[02:52:30] <Yog-Yogguth> I doubt the fighting in Yemen right now is about money
[02:53:29] <Yog-Yogguth> the stuff between Ethiopia and Eritrea likewise (but tht seems to have died down)
[02:55:11] <Yog-Yogguth> Or the Kurdish struggle
[02:55:31] <Yog-Yogguth> but who knows for sure
[02:57:58] <Deucalion> The Kurds have been no-one's problem for a very long time.... what is your point?
[02:58:10] <takyon> https://soylentnews.org
[02:58:11] <Barrabot> ^ 03SN Submission by takyon: The Intercept Publishes "The Drone Papers", Obtained From Whistleblower
[02:59:11] <SpallsHurgenson> it's been 14+ hours since I downloaded anything substantial... I'm starting to get withdrawl symptoms
[02:59:30] <Yog-Yogguth> hah the Kurds have been everybody's (Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Syria) problem for a long time :D
[03:00:10] <takyon> here's a nice companion to this story: http://bigstory.ap.org
[03:00:10] <Barrabot> ^ 03APNewsBreak: US analysts knew Afghan site was hospital
[03:00:12] <Yog-Yogguth> because they ought to hae their own country but don't
[03:00:46] <Yog-Yogguth> takyon: no drones involved there though, C-130 flying gunship
[03:00:59] <SpallsHurgenson> we all deserve our own country... and if I had mine, I'd make you all pay, pay, pay!!!!
[03:01:12] <Yog-Yogguth> in pants I bet :D
[03:01:13] <takyon> just good timing
[03:02:51] * Yog-Yogguth notices submission, damn you're fast takyon
[03:03:31] <takyon> I took some major shortcuts
[03:03:48] <takyon> but I did try to write a bunch of it in my own words
[03:03:56] <takyon> i'm real unclear about that 60 days thing
[03:05:02] <Deucalion> Yog-Yogguth, a matter of where you look from I suppose. No-one took responsibility. But then we could say the same for Yasidis. This is the problem when lines are drawn on maps, heads of state are imposed against the populace will.
[03:05:27] <Yog-Yogguth> takyon: I think there are two 60 day periods but yeah
[03:05:42] <Yog-Yogguth> Deucalion: yes
[03:05:57] <takyon> there were references to it taking 8.3 months to kill targets on average
[03:06:05] <takyon> which is way more than 120 days
[03:06:30] <Yog-Yogguth> yeah, let's just assume they don't actually follow their own secret rules, I mean why would they?
[03:06:45] <Yog-Yogguth> that sounded snarky but I didn't mean it as snark
[03:07:20] <Yog-Yogguth> I think it's all just an attempt at private ..abolution?
[03:07:52] <Yog-Yogguth> absolution is the word I was thinking of
[03:08:17] <Deucalion> Yog-Yogguth, do you have a solution in a box? I'm not sure anyone does...
[03:08:31] <Yog-Yogguth> I have no solution to anything at all :(
[03:09:05] <Yog-Yogguth> or at least none that are acceptable to me
[03:09:13] <takyon> it ccould be some confusion over the 2 separate drone strike programs
[03:09:23] <takyon> JSOC and CIA
[03:09:36] <Yog-Yogguth> I guess that's possible, and nothing much is known about the CIA one
[03:09:44] <Yog-Yogguth> or at least as far as details go
[03:09:52] <takyon> or maybe it was a sum total of all the time related to hitting the target. from getting on the list to getting dead
[03:10:10] <Yog-Yogguth> yeah, and maybe the target was approved multiple times
[03:10:16] <takyon> right
[03:10:28] <takyon> I wonder if Obama got a stick of gum with his baseball cards
[03:10:43] <takyon> that should be the dept right there
[03:10:45] <Yog-Yogguth> hah :)
[03:10:56] <Yog-Yogguth> free bubblegum
[03:14:06] <Yog-Yogguth> I'm sure there's tons and tons of people involved in this as well as over at all the tLAs that have the very best intentions, problem is it doesn't matter at all
[03:14:10] <Deucalion> Yog-Yogguth, I think the answer to the question "How do I get from here to B" is "I wouldn't start from here"..... but "here" is where we are, no-one likes it but "here" we are.
[03:14:46] <Yog-Yogguth> I can't even see what B is supposed to be because all the B's offred led us here
[03:16:13] <Deucalion> Maybe time for C then :D
[03:16:17] <Yog-Yogguth> :)
[03:18:21] <takyon> "best intentions"
[03:18:29] <Deucalion> OK... I'll just skip off to bed.., now
[03:18:30] <takyon> some mass shooters have the "best intentions"
[03:18:45] * chromas blames geometry
[03:18:51] <Yog-Yogguth> cya Deucalion and exactly takyon
[03:19:09] <Yog-Yogguth> you do't like geometry chromas? :)
[03:19:38] <chromas> if it weren't for geometry, we wouldn't have a-to-b :)
[03:19:43] <Yog-Yogguth> :D
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[10:11:03] <SirFinkus> I just got icy hot on my asshole
[10:11:06] <SirFinkus> it was worse than 9/11
[10:11:14] <SirFinkus> thought everyone oughta know
[10:12:35] <SirFinkus> night
[10:12:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> nice
[10:21:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:21:59] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1748
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[11:18:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Fake App Ratings Net Bell Canada $1.25M Fine - http://sylnt.us - caught-out
[11:21:13] <crutchy> .trans poutine
[11:21:29] <crutchy> ~trans poutine
[11:23:14] <crutchy> ~rehash
[11:23:26] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file (156 aliases)
[11:23:30] <crutchy> ~trans poutine
[11:23:36] <exec> <poutine> майка ти ще дойда тук утре да прави нещо с й устата и тоалетната къде има изпражнения. тя ще яде всичко: Your mother will come here tomorrow to do something with her mouth and restroom where there is feces. it will eat everything
[11:23:54] <crutchy> oook
[11:29:15] <crutchy> coffee++
[11:29:15] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1749
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[11:38:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> #socialist crutchy
[11:38:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> #load
[11:38:52] <PlowKing> loaded
[11:38:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> #socialist crutchy
[11:38:54] <PlowKing> crutchy, you're a socialist!
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[12:34:17] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:34:17] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1750
[12:34:20] <Bytram> !uid
[12:34:20] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5917, owned by Axllent
[12:34:25] <Bytram> g'morning everyone
[12:37:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, Bytram
[12:38:01] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: g'morning! How'd the minecraft serving go?
[12:38:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> went fine. got everyone back on it and The Boy is already asking if he can tear other people's shat up.
[12:38:58] * Bytram looks at where NASA's Deep Space Network is communicating to: http://eyes.nasa.gov
[12:39:10] <Bytram> lol
[12:39:14] <Bytram> glad it worked out
[12:39:43] * Bytram notes that the New Horizons (pluto probe) is now over 5 billion km away.
[12:40:02] <Bytram> and voyager2 is now 16.36 billion km
[12:40:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. thinking on going fishing again this morning but what i really need to do is clean the damn house up.
[12:40:44] <Bytram> it takes light over 15 hours to make it from the earth to voyager2.
[12:40:57] <Bytram> tough choice, i know.
[12:41:00] <Bytram> =)
[12:41:28] <Bytram> I've finally got a linux vm set up (well, mostly)
[12:41:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> actually, need to get the roomie to get his fscking laundry off the couch mostly. the rest i can handle any time.
[12:41:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> nice. buntu?
[12:41:45] <Bytram> yeah, mate.
[12:41:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> works
[12:42:07] <Bytram> somehow I'm stuck with an 80x25 sized desktop
[12:42:19] <Bytram> so, a little cramped, but funcitonal
[12:42:25] <Bytram> *functional
[12:42:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> funkay
[12:42:49] <Bytram> was wondering how much of a project is it to set up git to work in it?
[12:43:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> sudo apt-get install git
[12:43:31] <Bytram> that sounds pretty straightforward... and then configuring it?
[12:43:45] <Bytram> e.g.: on github, I have my e-mail address set as private
[12:43:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> git clone https://github
[12:44:14] <Bytram> Dingus? really????
[12:44:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i dunno yer username =P
[12:45:06] <Bytram> I'm a literalist -- don't *DO* that!
[12:45:14] <Bytram> LOL!!!
[12:45:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> best to also do a git remote add upstream https://github.com
[12:46:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> from inside the new rehash directory
[12:46:16] <Bytram> okay, so it looks like I need to have some kind of 'repo'(?) already set up on github?
[12:46:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, you already do though. the one you were working from.
[12:47:04] <Bytram> ermmm, that makes sense...
[12:47:27] <Bytram> now I'm a gonna try and make sense of github's gui to find out what it is.
[12:47:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> basic flow goes like this: do work on branch on local system. push to github. from github gui do a pull request.
[12:48:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> should be a link to it on your rehash fork main page
[12:48:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> on the right hand side
[12:48:32] <Bytram> so, first, I gotta make a clone on my local repo, and then I need to make a branch in which to do my work, and then.... what you said. right?
[12:48:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> roger
[12:48:52] <Bytram> k
[12:48:57] <Bytram> looks like I have: https://github.com
[12:49:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> to create a new local branch you git checkout -b new_branch_name
[12:49:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - China Has Had a Telescope On the Moon for the Past Two Years - http://sylnt.us - stands-outside-waving
[12:49:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> will be https://github.com then
[12:50:00] <Bytram> ahhh! I think those were the majic translations I needed!
[12:50:05] * Bytram waits for the VM to launch
[12:51:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> when you need to sync your shat to SoylentNews repo, git checkout master && git pull upstream master && git push origin master
[12:52:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> basically you wanna do that any time pull requests are merged into the main repo's master branch
[12:53:59] <Bytram> that serves to bring any master changes down to my repo and gets me back in sync
[12:54:18] <Bytram> okay, looks like I have git installed
[12:54:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> basically pulls them to your local repo then pushes them out to your github repo
[12:54:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> so both will be in sync
[12:55:56] * Bytram does: git clone https://github.com
[12:56:07] <Bytram> ahhh, got it!
[12:56:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> next cd rehash and do the upstream line. it's important.
[12:56:34] <Bytram> IIRC, rehash isn't the whole thing, though... don't I *also* need the original slashcode, too?
[12:56:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> no
[12:56:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> rehash is the entire thing
[12:56:55] <Bytram> ooooh, ok.
[12:57:56] <Bytram> well, this is gonna take a bit of time... "Receiving objects: 7% (7691/102737), 1.75 MiB | 7.00 KiB/s
[12:58:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, right, you're using your tethered phone as a modem
[12:58:24] <Bytram> nod nod
[12:59:14] <Bytram> once in a great while I get a 'hot' connection and can pull 100 KiB/s but I generally get about 30-60
[12:59:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> yurk
[13:00:33] <Bytram> I'm up to 15% now -- think I'm gonna take a CRC (Coffee Return/Recycling Center) break
[13:00:42] <Bytram> biab
[13:00:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> sounds good. nicotine for me then.
[13:00:56] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:01:04] <Bytram> thanks for hte help!
[13:07:06] <Bytram> urg. I forgot I'm supposed to get a phone call shortly and will have to break off
[13:07:20] <Bytram> I'm at 84%, though, so cross your fingers!
[13:07:44] <Bytram> 95% woo!
[13:08:19] <Bytram> done!
[13:09:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> yays
[13:11:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> get the upstream added?
[13:11:40] <Bytram> back and front and center
[13:13:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, no wonder i was draggin ass and being grumpy this morning. forgot my drugs.
[13:14:04] <Bytram> oooops
[13:16:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> get the upstream added to your local repo?
[13:16:13] <Bytram> done! git clone https://github.com
[13:16:23] <Bytram> I thnk that's next...
[13:17:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> cd rehash; git remote add upstream https://github.com
[13:18:08] <Bytram> done.
[13:18:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> git pull upstream master && git push origin master
[13:18:29] <Bytram> that was awful quick, though. Almost instantaneous.
[13:18:35] <Bytram> on it
[13:18:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> should be, no files to transfer that time
[13:19:10] <Bytram> could not resolve host: github.com
[13:19:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> dahell
[13:19:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas a dns issue
[13:19:52] <Bytram> unable to access 'https://github.com/SoylentNews/rehash.git/'
[13:20:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> no slash at the end
[13:20:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> but resolving the hose is dns and has nothing to do with git
[13:20:23] <Bytram> I did not put one in, that is the error message I got.
[13:20:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/hose/host
[13:20:28] * sedctl offers ThiMeghteBizzird a /
[13:20:29] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:20:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/hose/host/
[13:20:32] <sedctl> <TheMyghtoByzzord> but resolving the host is dns and has nothing to do with git
[13:21:28] <Bytram> ping github.com gives me: ping: unknow host github.com
[13:21:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, you're having dns issues
[13:21:52] <Bytram> my internet conneciton dropped; could be the vm is now no longer on-line
[13:22:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg
[13:22:17] <Bytram> yeah.
[13:22:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> might disconnect and reconnect the network connection in the vm, see if that works.
[13:22:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> otherwise reboot it
[13:23:12] <Bytram> yeah, I'm looking
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[13:24:16] <janrinok> hi guys
[13:24:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin
[13:24:25] <Bytram> ugh. don't have the interest atm to debug; I'm gonna shutdown the VM and restart it.
[13:24:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> well prolly afternoon
[13:24:29] <Bytram> janrinok: !!
[13:24:40] <janrinok> Bytram: !! afternoon Buzz
[13:25:20] <Bytram> shutdown --help
[13:25:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> you not install an X environment?
[13:26:16] <janrinok> 'sudo reboot'
[13:26:24] * TheMightyBuzzard smakes Bytram
[13:26:44] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Ima just running what janrinok helped me setup! ;)
[13:26:57] <Bytram> is down; restarting
[13:26:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> next time startx
[13:27:14] <janrinok> then you should have an X env
[13:27:27] <Bytram> wouldn't that only affect the *display* of stuff; I'd still have the underlying network connectivity issue
[13:27:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> no sense playing from the console when you don't have to. s'why god created terminal emulators.
[13:27:35] <Bytram> oh, k
[13:28:21] <janrinok> 'sudo /etc/initd/networking restart' if you insist on doing it from CLI
[13:28:31] <Bytram> k; I'm now in ~/rehash
[13:29:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> git pull upstream master && git push origin master
[13:29:50] <Bytram> gitgit pull upstream master && git push origin master
[13:29:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas one too many gits
[13:30:04] <Bytram> ... buncha progress stuff
[13:30:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> good good
[13:30:15] <Bytram> sry typo here; did right in vm
[13:30:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> should make you log in for the push part
[13:30:24] <Bytram> cut-n-paste not seem to work
[13:30:37] <Bytram> Username for 'https://github.com':
[13:30:43] <Bytram> s/b marty-b
[13:31:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/b?
[13:31:06] <Bytram> and now it wants my pwd
[13:31:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[13:31:10] <Bytram> Should Be
[13:31:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> push go through okay?
[13:31:58] <Bytram> just finished. is good!
[13:32:05] <Bytram> =)
[13:32:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> sweet. now git checkout -b whatever and you'll create and be on branch whatever n ready to work
[13:32:54] <Bytram> k
[13:32:58] * Bytram ponders a name
[13:33:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> save it till you got something you wanna fix
[13:33:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can omit the -b if the branch already exists
[13:33:47] <Bytram> I already has that -- the rest of the disclaimer that is currently in a template on prod but needs to be in the code base so it is still there upon restart
[13:33:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> like git checkout foo would be correct if foo already existed
[13:33:58] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:34:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh
[13:34:15] <Bytram> you merged that 'fix' something like a week or two ago.
[13:34:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> git checkout -b disclaimer then
[13:34:36] * Bytram cannot remember what the name of the branch was that I had at that time...
[13:34:55] <Bytram> when you pulled/merged/whatever my fix, it seemed to go away?
[13:35:00] <Bytram> is there a way to get a list of the branches that I have?
[13:35:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't sweat creating new branches. you can always delete em when you're done with em.
[13:35:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, git branch
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[13:35:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> or look on github
[13:35:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, stdhell
[13:35:26] <Bytram> I just has * master
[13:35:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. won't show branches from github until you check them out
[13:36:01] <Bytram> ah, k. makes sense
[13:36:06] <stdhell> Hey.
[13:36:11] <Bytram> looks like it was called: journal-disclaimer
[13:36:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> you don't gotta use the same branch. better to start a new one even
[13:36:49] <Bytram> even though it is logically part of the same fix?
[13:36:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> once your pull request gets merged from a branch, just delete it.
[13:37:13] <Bytram> methinks github may have done that for me.
[13:37:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, otherwise you gotta go through extra hoops to bring that branch up to date
[13:37:47] <Bytram> hmmm, oh. k. things have happened since then so it may be based on old code that has changed under me.
[13:38:00] <Bytram> well, since that branch was pulled
[13:38:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> well only your changes but yeah.
[13:38:06] <Bytram> k
[13:39:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait till we all get active and you gotta learn to rebase. that's just flat a pain in the ass.
[13:39:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> i do my best to never be working on the same files as anyone else for that very reason.
[13:39:38] <Bytram> disgit checkout -b disclaimer-journal-comments
[13:39:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> close enough
[13:39:53] <Bytram> git checkout -b disclaimer-journal-comments
[13:40:15] <Bytram> no chance of focus on mouse move; i'm a typing in the wrong place halfd the time.
[13:40:20] <Bytram> *change*
[13:40:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> you have X running then?
[13:40:56] <Bytram> i'm in a mate terminal session
[13:41:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> good good
[13:41:06] <Bytram> so, prolly yes.
[13:41:46] <Bytram> hmmm, should I see something created in the file tree for this new branch?
[13:41:56] <Bytram> or is it only created upon my changing something?
[13:41:58] <Bytram> or something else?
[13:42:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> sec
[13:42:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> nothing should have changed. just go editing files now.
[13:43:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> when you're done, do a git status n it'll tell you which ones you need to git add
[13:43:25] <Bytram> k.
[13:43:29] <Bytram> pwd
[13:43:41] <Bytram> I'm at: /home/bytram/rehash
[13:43:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, i should prolly give you my .gitignore as well
[13:43:54] <Bytram> urg? whats that?
[13:44:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> tells git to ignore files for adding
[13:45:06] <Bytram> ahhh, like emacs backup files? foo~
[13:46:12] <AndyTheAbsurd> that's among the things that you can included in there
[13:46:35] <AndyTheAbsurd> but also you would want to put in configuration files that contain secret information
[13:46:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i have it ignoring .swp files for vim
[13:46:46] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:46:57] <Bytram> yeah, uploading pwds might not be such a good idea. :/
[13:47:05] <AndyTheAbsurd> (like, if you've got a file that contains API keys, you put that in .gitignore to make sure it never gets into your repo)
[13:47:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's also a LOT of files in there that should be ignored
[13:47:16] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:49:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> check email for .gitignore
[13:49:31] <Bytram> will do
[13:49:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you're an emacs user, you'll need to add those yourself
[13:49:57] <Bytram> btw, I noticed that I now have a .git dir in my home dir; I'm guessing that is where git keeps track of the differences and such?
[13:50:15] <Bytram> i see the e-mail
[13:50:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> you shouldn't have one in your home directory
[13:50:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> should be under rehash
[13:50:43] <Bytram> hmm? maybe I was not where I thought I was.
[13:51:18] <Bytram> my bad.
[13:51:33] <Bytram> it was in ~/rehash/.git
[13:51:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[13:52:03] <Bytram> hmmm, now the question becomes How do I get the .ignore you e-mailed me into my vm?
[13:52:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://thelibertarianrepublic.com
[13:52:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> copy n paste?
[13:52:53] <Bytram> don't seem to have that enabled atm
[13:52:59] <janrinok> you can always rsync from the
[13:53:01] <Bytram> i can wget it from somewhere, easily enough
[13:53:05] <janrinok> from one IP to the other
[13:53:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> sigh, aight. hang on.
[13:53:33] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:54:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://tmbvm.ddns.net:6000 should do
[13:54:48] <Bytram> k. gimme a moment or two
[13:56:03] <Bytram> got it; wc .gitignore says: 171 171 4864 .gitignore
[13:56:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> double check it
[13:57:04] <Bytram> I'm comparing it to what you e-mailed me; looking good so far...
[13:57:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> good nuff. saved in ~/rehash/ ?
[13:57:20] <Bytram> starts with:
[13:57:22] <Bytram> .gitignore
[13:57:25] <Bytram> .*.swp
[13:57:29] <Bytram> and ends with
[13:57:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> good nuff
[13:57:41] <Bytram> Slash/p[m_to_blib
[13:57:47] <Bytram> Slash/pm_to_blib
[13:58:06] <Bytram> agreed. thansk!
[13:58:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> a good .gitignore makes for much easier git experiences.
[13:58:42] <Bytram> ignore at your peril
[13:59:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> when you have all your changes done, git status to see what's changed then git add <all the file names> then git commit then git push origin branchname
[14:00:11] <Bytram> looks like every time there is a .json there is also a .yml
[14:00:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg
[14:01:20] <Bytram> all the rest are either .*blib or .*Makefile
[14:01:36] <Bytram> now I needs to find out which file I had chanced before
[14:01:39] <Bytram> *changed
[14:02:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> anything you already pull requested and got merged is already changed in there.
[14:02:44] <Bytram> it's part of the mainline code, now, so it came back down when I grabbed the master
[14:03:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'what i said
[14:04:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> grep -rIHni 'disclaimer' .
[14:04:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> or some other word you're pretty sure is unique to your change
[14:05:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> the . there isn't the end of my sentence, it's necessary to the command.
[14:05:08] <Bytram> well, that would get me the code that I already submitted and that you pulled.... I'm trying to locate the other template that I updated on line and find out which file Ineed to updated
[14:05:16] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:05:21] <Bytram> seem to have found it:
[14:05:22] <Bytram> printCommentsMain;misc;default
[14:05:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh okay
[14:05:39] * Bytram really needs to tell virtualbox how to do cut-n-paste
[14:05:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> grep -rIHn 'something' . is BAD ASS
[14:06:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> that and find . -name 'printCommentsMain*'
[14:06:40] <Bytram> hmmm, VB says I have a Bidirectional shared clipboard and Dran'n'drop
[14:06:48] <Bytram> yuppers.
[14:06:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> find is my friend
[14:06:55] <janrinok> Bytram: I might be able to help you solve your cut-and-paste problem, give me a shout once you have sorted yourself out.
[14:07:07] <Bytram> janrinok: !!
[14:07:11] <Bytram> how bout now?
[14:07:59] <janrinok> ok, for c&p do you highlight and then middle click, or actually select 'Copy' and then 'Paste'?
[14:08:37] <Bytram> hmmm, on windows, I tend to use kbd equivs: ^a ^c and then ^v
[14:08:49] <Bytram> select all, copy, and paste; repsectively
[14:09:06] <Bytram> I'm commfortable with right-click / paste, too
[14:09:20] * TheMightyBuzzard heads afk to get stuffs done so he can ditch and go fishing tomorrow
[14:09:41] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: much obliged! thansk so much for the help!
[14:09:45] <janrinok> I find on linux/linux I have to use Copy and Paste from the menu, because the other is relying on a mouse context which is different in each of the 2 systems
[14:10:00] <Bytram> yeah, that's fine, too.
[14:10:18] <Bytram> on 2nd though, in cmd windows, I tend to do a drag-select and then paste
[14:10:20] <janrinok> I suppose the Win/Lin might be different. Try the different combinations
[14:10:27] * AndyTheAbsurd thinks right-click-to-paste is the 2nd dumbest thing in *nix environments.
[14:10:44] * AndyTheAbsurd thinks "copy on highlight" is *the* dumbest thing in *nix environments.
[14:11:15] <Bytram> LOL!
[14:11:16] <janrinok> AndyTheAbsurd: and I use it all the time - horses for courses I suppose
[14:11:30] <Bytram> I;m just sharing what I've been doing in the windows world; is all
[14:12:10] <janrinok> well, you are in for a whole lot of hurt if you try to use linux as you would Windows. It is best to learn each system separately
[14:12:18] <Bytram> okay, I have something in the windows clipboard: printCommentsMain;misc;default
[14:12:37] <Bytram> I've started a command in a terminal window and want to paste the above into it.
[14:12:46] <Bytram> I'm fine with that.
[14:12:57] <janrinok> still on the Window's system or in linux?
[14:13:07] <Bytram> linux (Mate)
[14:13:19] <janrinok> how can the linux system know about the Win clipboard?
[14:13:46] <janrinok> or vice versa?
[14:14:08] <Bytram> it's running in a vm and I have enabled bi-directional cut-n-paste
[14:14:10] <janrinok> have you set up file sharing or shared directories between the VM and the host system?
[14:14:15] <Bytram> vm == VirtualBox
[14:14:25] <Bytram> Linux == Ubuntu Mate
[14:14:26] <janrinok> virtual machine
[14:14:42] <Bytram> not that I am aware of.
[14:15:26] <janrinok> well, as I don't use Windows at all, I cannot say how successfully or otherwise bi-directional cut-n-paste works, but it sounds like it should
[14:15:58] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:16:10] <Bytram> no biggee atm; I can type well enough to get by
[14:17:26] <janrinok> If you go through the VB options for your Linux MATE vm, you should find one regarding directory sharing. That gives you an directory which is visible to both machines simultaneously.
[14:17:40] <janrinok> I find that the most reliable way of transferring data from 1 to the other
[14:18:35] <Bytram> makes sense. have you had any problems with converting (or not) between CRLF and /n ??
[14:18:55] <AndyTheAbsurd> Bytram: BTW, usually Ctrl-Shift-V to paste in Linux terminal. If not, try Shift-Insert.
[14:18:58] <janrinok> no, because I don't use Windows
[14:19:04] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:19:31] <janrinok> most linux editors have options to automatically correct win terminated lines
[14:19:45] <Bytram> I think I found the file that I wanted to change; give me a few minutes to focus...
[14:19:45] <janrinok> going the other way is a MS problem
[14:19:51] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:20:04] <Bytram> there's a prog called flip that converts back/forth between.
[14:20:12] <Bytram> *between them
[14:20:18] <janrinok> no doubt - and probably many more besides
[14:20:25] <Bytram> yep;
[14:20:32] <Bytram> okay; give me a few minutes
[14:20:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Identify Potential Inhibitors of Cancer Metastasis and MS - http://sylnt.us - another-small-potential-victory
[14:29:18] <Bytram> okay, I've made the change to the file. =)
[14:29:35] <janrinok> have you now got a shared directory?
[14:29:48] <Bytram> nope... Ima gonna do that later.
[14:30:02] <Bytram> I changed the rehash template that I was trying to update
[14:30:09] <janrinok> ah, with you now
[14:30:20] <Bytram> now I need to issue the git command to make it available for tmb to pull
[14:30:27] * Bytram scrolls back
[14:33:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, you already push it to github?
[14:34:15] <Bytram> i'm about to...
[14:34:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[14:34:38] <Bytram> git status shows one changed file.
[14:34:46] <Bytram> s/changed/modified/
[14:34:46] <sedctl> <Bytram> git status shows one modified file.
[14:34:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> git add thatfile
[14:34:54] <Bytram> k
[14:34:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> then git commit
[14:35:43] <Bytram> git add printCommentsMain\;misc\;default
[14:36:00] <Bytram> git commit
[14:36:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> git push origin master
[14:36:13] <Bytram> *** pleasew tell me who you are.
[14:36:15] <Bytram> run:
[14:36:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, right
[14:36:27] <Bytram> git config --gocal user.email "you@example.com"
[14:36:42] <Bytram> *--global
[14:36:44] <Bytram> etc.
[14:36:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> git config --local user.email "whatever"
[14:36:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> NOT GLOBAL
[14:37:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander always does that on dev and it makes any commits from there look like they're from him.
[14:37:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> and global overrides local
[14:37:40] <Bytram> shouldn't git know who I am already from my "config" on github?
[14:37:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> no
[14:37:50] <Bytram> ok
[14:38:02] <Bytram> what do you recommend, then
[14:38:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> um...
[14:38:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> git config --local user.email "whatever email address you used"
[14:38:33] <Bytram> prolly just leave out the '--global'
[14:38:38] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:38:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> ditto with the other one, just swap --local for --global
[14:38:45] <Bytram> k
[14:39:52] <Bytram> email set; now on to user.name
[14:39:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> honestly, being your vm, you could do global. it's just a bad habit to get into.
[14:40:14] <Bytram> email set; now on to user.name
[14:40:35] <Bytram> user.name is set
[14:40:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, now push
[14:40:58] <Bytram> git commit right?
[14:41:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, you already commited
[14:41:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> git push origin branchname
[14:41:38] <Bytram> are you sure? I got those errors with it not knowing my email and name
[14:41:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg, try again then
[14:41:53] <Bytram> fata: unable to auto-detect email address
[14:42:09] <Bytram> trying
[14:42:19] <Bytram> please enter the commit message fdor your changes. etc.
[14:42:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> short description. like 60 characters or less
[14:43:37] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:43:55] <Bytram> fun way to learn a new editor -- just got tossed into nano
[14:44:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> yerk
[14:44:05] <Bytram> ^O WriteOut
[14:44:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can change that but i'll leave it to you n google to figure out how
[14:44:35] <Bytram> Filew Name to Write: /home/bytram/rehash/.git/COMMIT_EDITMSG
[14:44:48] <Bytram> is that ookay>
[14:44:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, never change that
[14:45:02] <Bytram> k
[14:45:13] <Bytram> wrote 8 lines
[14:45:19] <Bytram> ? shurg
[14:45:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> now git push origin branchname
[14:45:24] <Bytram> ^X Exit
[14:45:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, after you exit i mean
[14:45:43] <Bytram> 1 file changed, 3 insertions(+)
[14:45:52] <Bytram> looks like it is done.
[14:46:15] <janrinok> its less fun now that he knows how to do it
[14:46:27] <Bytram> oh, now I do the git push ..
[14:46:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep
[14:46:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, true
[14:46:43] * janrinok grabs more popcorn
[14:47:44] <Bytram> username for https://gihub.com':
[14:48:00] <Bytram> "Marty B"
[14:48:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, marty-b
[14:48:22] <Bytram> yeah. I just figured that out. :/
[14:49:15] <Bytram> looks like it should be there.
[14:49:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> cool, now to the web gui and create a pull request
[14:49:41] <Bytram> huh? oh.
[14:49:55] <Bytram> now I's got to tell you to take it from what I uploaded to the repo
[14:50:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[14:50:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> you could work directly with the SN repo but it's bad practice
[14:50:54] <Bytram> yikes; i wouldn't try that for a while.
[14:50:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> like merging your own pull requests is.
[14:51:13] <Bytram> that';s a no no unless system critical problem and nobody's around
[14:51:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> hence two of mine having sat there for over a month now =P
[14:51:29] <Bytram> ok, I'm at:https://github.com/SoylentNews/rehash
[14:51:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> wrong spot
[14:51:41] <Bytram> I see there is a recently pushed branch
[14:51:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> you want to be at marty-b/rehash
[14:51:50] <Bytram> k
[14:51:55] <Bytram> I thought htat looked wrong
[14:52:16] <Bytram> https://github.com
[14:52:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> should be a green pull request button up above all the files
[14:52:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, just https://github.com
[14:52:37] <Bytram> k
[14:52:46] <Bytram> https://github.com
[14:52:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> no need making it any more complex than necessary
[14:53:00] <Bytram> k.
[14:53:10] <Bytram> I see the [Compare & pull request] button
[14:53:12] * Bytram clicks
[14:53:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas it
[14:53:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> there is where you can get verbose about the pull request if necessary
[14:53:36] <Bytram> [create pull request] button
[14:53:57] <Bytram> I see my changes in there and they look iright
[14:54:01] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:54:07] <Bytram> clicky the button?
[14:54:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[14:54:23] <Bytram> [Create pull request] clicked
[14:54:31] <Bytram> is #221
[14:54:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> now you wait impatiently for someone to come along and review it
[14:54:49] <Bytram> ROFLMAO!
[14:55:37] <janrinok> congrats Bytram - it is not an intuitive system, but it gets easier
[14:55:50] <Bytram> you don't know me that well; patience is my middle name -- just ask janrinok who guided/watched me do a sysrestorecd of a 500 GB hard disk
[14:55:56] <Bytram> janrinok: thanks
[14:56:21] <Bytram> once I've done something 3-4 times, I'm usually pretty good; just need to go through the motions a few times to build the mental muscle memory
[14:56:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. now back on your local system... git checkout master && git pull upstream master && git push origin master
[14:56:49] <Bytram> oh, yeah. oh, wait. have you processed the pull request already?
[14:56:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> which i gotta do as well
[14:56:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[14:56:58] <Bytram> ah.
[14:57:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> wasn't exactly a complex one to review
[14:57:18] <Bytram> if you had NOT, then there'd be nothing to grab, right?
[14:57:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> right
[14:58:01] <Bytram> whew! had me going there for a moment while I waited patiently. =)
[14:59:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> just wait for the fun when you accidentally make changes on master. it's a pain cause you basically gotta wait till it gets merged to do anything else.
[14:59:30] * Bytram ponders
[14:59:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> thus the reason for always using a branch
[15:00:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> which you can now delete by the way
[15:00:12] <Bytram> I think I'll leave comprehending that for later -- I want to get this firmly into my head before I start adding on other variants as this is the main thing I'll be doing with it for a while.
[15:01:07] <Bytram> hmmm, ISTR there was one more file that I noticed mayneed a disclaimer, but I cannot remember it atm; should Ikeep this branch open for it, or should I start yet another one for THAT file?
[15:01:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> start another one
[15:01:34] <Bytram> k
[15:01:40] <Bytram> so how do I delete this branch?
[15:01:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> no reason to bother with a branch after it's merged. just delete it.
[15:01:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://makandracards.com
[15:02:14] * Bytram clicks on link
[15:03:15] <Bytram> so: git branch -d disclaimer-journal-comments
[15:03:43] <Bytram> deleted branch
[15:04:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> and the one on github you can delete either from the web gui or by following the delete remote branch instructions
[15:04:38] <Bytram> nod nod; am trying to find out if the name on github is same or different
[15:04:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> will be the same
[15:04:59] <Bytram> thought so, wasn't sure. thanks!
[15:05:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> you get an error if you try to push to the wrong branch generally
[15:05:41] <Bytram> git push origin :disclaimer-journal-comments
[15:06:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[15:06:22] <Bytram> gave it my username and pwd
[15:06:30] <Bytram> [deleted]
[15:06:31] <Bytram> yay!
[15:06:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> fun fun
[15:07:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm pretty bad about deleting old branches in a timely manner and sometimes it swarms on me cause i can't remember which of the 20 branches i was working on.
[15:07:08] <Bytram> so, IIUC, I'm back in sync and everything is up-to-date with my changes, right?
[15:07:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[15:07:22] <Bytram> I can see that would be a problem
[15:07:44] <Bytram> would be nice if listing branches gave you a timestamp as to whenit was created and/or last modified
[15:07:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's not remotely an insurmountable problem but it's just tidier to delete them when done.
[15:08:09] <Bytram> good practice to get into; yar
[15:08:22] * Bytram is willing to learn from the voice of experience
[15:08:37] <Bytram> there's not enough time for me to make all the mistakes by myself!
[15:08:55] <Bytram> and the timing is great; I needs to get cleaned up and out the door.
[15:09:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, you get to make all new mistakes that i don't know the answer to.
[15:09:05] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++ thanks for all the help
[15:09:06] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 186
[15:09:14] <Bytram> ROFL!!!!!!!!!!
[15:10:01] <Bytram> hopefully it will take me a few months before I get to that point!
[15:10:08] <Bytram> ok; gtg, biab
[15:10:20] <Bytram> janrinok: thanks for the pointed on how to restart the network daemon
[15:10:30] <Bytram> hope you didn't run out of popcorn!
[15:10:34] <Bytram> afk
[15:12:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> sigh, i guess i should start on working up Stripe API integration next week. seems to be more important to everybody than the few remaining unicode bugs
[15:37:22] <Bytram> back for a moment
[15:37:41] <Bytram> anyone know a command I can issue to save a copyy of my command history on Mate?
[15:38:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> history | grep git
[15:38:19] <Bytram> cd
[15:38:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> history | grep git >some.file.txt
[15:38:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> won't read it out in order but hopefully you'll remember once you see them.
[15:39:00] <Bytram> history was the command I wanted; thansk!@
[15:39:10] <Bytram> oh. bah. oh well!
[15:42:06] <Bytram> looks at first glance to be in the correct order! =)
[15:42:31] <Bytram> I have hopes to make u a doc with this stuff at some point.
[15:42:36] <Bytram> but, atm I gtg
[15:42:44] <Bytram> have a great day everyone!
[15:42:50] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[15:51:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Britain Refuses Humanitarian Request for Assange MRI Outside Embassy - http://sylnt.us - coincidence?
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[16:56:49] <nick> ...
[17:17:09] <mrcoolbp> nick...
[17:21:01] <nick> mrcoolbp :)
[17:21:30] <mrcoolbp> hey buddy
[17:21:45] <nick> long time no speak, how goes?
[17:23:47] <mrcoolbp> not bad, busy busy, how is you?
[17:24:43] <nick> about the same, too much to do
[17:26:54] <mrcoolbp> we are 115% funded less than half-way through this funding cycle
[17:27:00] <mrcoolbp> so that's cool
[17:28:14] <nick> that is gr
[17:28:16] <nick> great
[17:28:21] <mrcoolbp> grrrrrrreat!
[17:28:33] <nick> !!
[17:28:49] <nick> soylentnews++
[17:28:49] <Bender> karma - soylentnews: 8
[17:30:04] <mrcoolbp> coffee++
[17:30:04] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1751
[17:30:19] <mrcoolbp> coffee > soylentnews
[17:38:45] <nick> water++
[17:38:45] <Bender> karma - water: 24
[17:39:26] <nick> i'll have a beer later, but for now it's cool, refreshing, life saving, awesome water
[17:43:39] <mrcoolbp> insert "Waterboy" quote here
[17:44:12] <mrcoolbp> anyone have any cool Oculus rift demos/games/apps? I just got my hands on the DK1 to play with
[18:23:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Windows 10 Now has "Suggested Apps" in Start Menu - http://sylnt.us - whatever-happened-to-calling-them-programs?
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[18:53:03] <janrinok> hi fliptop
[18:54:01] <fliptop> howdy
[18:54:14] <janrinok> how's things?
[18:54:23] <fliptop> i was going to ask if there's a special way to include a "more after the break" on a long submission
[18:54:32] <fliptop> but i just put it in italics
[18:54:35] <janrinok> no, we do that at this end
[18:54:46] <fliptop> well i put in a suggestion where it would fit
[18:54:52] <janrinok> but that will be a useful hint for us
[18:54:58] <janrinok> thanks
[18:55:20] <fliptop> the queue has been bursting lately. nice
[18:56:01] <janrinok> yes, but we are never happy - the problem is that the majority are coming from 1 submitter, the variety would be nice.
[18:56:20] <janrinok> But we are very pleased with the state recently, much better than it had been
[18:56:27] <fliptop> before i would just submit one when the queue was low, below 10 or so
[18:56:57] <fliptop> well, that and when i had the time...
[18:57:02] <janrinok> we try to vary the topics and submitters, so a one-off submission stands a good chance of being picked up
[18:57:22] <janrinok> assuming all other things being equal, of course
[18:57:27] <fliptop> i have no complaints
[18:57:43] <fliptop> the editors are very fair imho
[18:58:07] <janrinok> the site has picked up in the last month or so - stories, comments, very few trolls
[18:58:35] <fliptop> agreed. but according to tmb, it's not a "success" until you guys start getting paid...
[18:58:37] <janrinok> not sure if that fits in with the education timing for colleges and uni
[18:59:19] <janrinok> well, that would be nice, and we all get tired from time-to-time. I know that I will be busy on the site over this weekend
[19:00:03] <fliptop> well i'm still enthusiastic about the site which is why i keep coming back
[19:00:56] <janrinok> good to hear it! It certainly isn't a way of becoming rich, but we get quite a buzz out of the reaction we get from the community
[19:03:07] <fliptop> by accident i figured out a way to promote the site, albeit in a small way
[19:03:29] <fliptop> i emailed a guy i poach ideas for stories from and thanked him
[19:03:42] <fliptop> he had not heard about it and said he would check it out, don't know if he registered
[19:03:55] <fliptop> he did know about /. though
[19:03:56] <janrinok> any idea of what nick he might use?
[19:04:36] <fliptop> his name is franz dill and he calls himself "the eponymous pickle"
[19:05:03] <fliptop> it was a couple-few weeks ago
[19:06:04] <janrinok> can't see anything in the db like that
[19:06:19] <fliptop> oh well
[19:07:35] <janrinok> I might just be crap at searching the db tho'
[19:08:02] <fliptop> every time i use one of his blog entries for a submission i email him now if it's published. perhaps persistence is the key
[19:08:08] <janrinok> there's a reason I'm an editor and not a code jockey
[19:08:43] <janrinok> good idea - he might start looking in just to see how 'his' subs are doing
[19:09:06] <fliptop> select * from users where nick ilike '%pickle%' or nick ilike '%dill%'?
[19:09:59] <janrinok> yeah, but I don't have direct access to the db, only through our own interface. As I say, they don't let editors have enough access to break anything :)
[19:10:54] <fliptop> maybe add "and create_date > '2015-09-15';"
[19:11:06] <fliptop> or thereabouts
[19:11:43] <fliptop> well root on everything can be both a blessing and a curse
[19:11:54] <janrinok> yep
[19:11:57] <fliptop> having root, that is
[19:12:59] <janrinok> just reading your submission
[19:13:29] <fliptop> sorry it's so long, i usually try to keep them much shorter
[19:13:45] <fliptop> but there was a lot of info in this story
[19:13:47] <janrinok> no problem, and it's not too long
[19:13:58] <fliptop> cool
[19:14:42] <fliptop> is Gravis awake, i wonder?
[19:15:14] <janrinok> not seen him today
[19:15:32] <janrinok> although isn't it a bit early for him?
[19:15:44] <fliptop> i'm not sure
[19:16:05] <janrinok> what tz are you?
[19:16:12] <fliptop> -0500
[19:17:35] <janrinok> your story will be out tomorrow at around 19:14 UTC or 14:14 in your tz
[19:18:09] <fliptop> thanks!!
[19:18:19] <janrinok> no, thank you
[19:18:49] <janrinok> I'm going to have to go. Its time for me to do a few things before going to bed
[19:19:00] <fliptop> ciao
[19:19:10] <janrinok> tomorrow maybe?
[19:19:33] <fliptop> saturdays are bad for me, i work all day and it's not the kind of work where i'm in front of a computer
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[19:20:00] <fliptop> but next week perhaps
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[20:36:36] <Bytram|away> http://www.bbc.co.uk
[20:36:37] <Barrabot> ^ 03Target stores attacked by pornographic pranksters - BBC News ( http://www.bbc.co.uk )
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[20:58:57] <Bytram|away> http://feedproxy.google.com
[20:58:58] <Barrabot> ^ 03Surprises revealed in new 4K Jupiter close-up by Hubble - CNET ( http://www.cnet.com )
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[21:06:29] <Bytram|away> http://go.theregister.com
[21:06:30] <Barrabot> ^ 03Hillary's sysadmin left VNC, RDP exposed to the internet - report • The Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
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[21:26:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Playboy to Stop Publishing Nude Photos - http://sylnt.us - now-you-really-CAN-read-it-for-the-articles
[21:38:07] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[21:41:41] <Bytram> zz_janrinok: FWIW I took a look at nicks registered this year and among *franz* OR *pic* OR *dil* I only found one: #5908 "pabloapicco" registered on 2015-10-14
[21:45:04] <Bytram> http://go.theregister.com
[21:45:05] <Barrabot> ^ 03Jackpot: New hacking group steals 150,000 credit cards from casino • The Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
[21:57:59] <Gravis> why does this "fliptop" ask about me.
[21:59:22] * SirFinkus shrugs
[22:07:10] <SirFinkus> http://www.wired.com
[22:07:10] <Barrabot> ^ 03Your Relative's DNA Could Turn You Into a Suspect | WIRED
[22:07:12] <SirFinkus> I fucking knew it
[22:08:58] <SirFinkus> and of course they trot out the "think of the women and children" line to defend it
[22:09:05] * SirFinkus hates being right
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[22:51:05] <Yog-Yogguth> Bytram: I copied the conversarion about Git/Github in case I ever get that far, if you need it to retrace your steps I could copypaste it into some pastebin (your IRC/chat program likely has it in a log too)
[22:52:07] <Bytram> Yog-Yogguth: thanks for that! Yes, it's in my hexchat log, but that only covers half of the 'story'. there's also the stuff that happened on the Linux side.
[22:52:19] <Yog-Yogguth> ah okay
[22:53:02] <Bytram> I've got a copy of my command history to refer to, and I still have the terminal window up, but so far have been unable to get a full copy of what appeared on the screen.
[22:53:18] <Bytram> what I'm thinking of is having a two-column table
[22:53:42] <Bytram> LHS (Left-Hand Side) is what I did... wait a minute.
[22:53:47] <Bytram> brain fart, I think.
[22:54:00] <Bytram> scratch that.
[22:54:15] <Bytram> oh, now I remember
[22:54:31] <Bytram> LHS is for what is happening *locally* and the RHS is for what is happening in the master repo
[22:54:39] <Bytram> at least thaty is the idea.
[22:55:06] <Yog-Yogguth> I see
[22:55:23] <Bytram> at least that is the thought!
[22:55:48] <Bytram> hmmm, I just had an idea... back in a bit
[22:57:53] <Bytram> yee hah!
[22:58:01] <Bytram> It is a start.
[22:58:08] <crutchy> ~g'day Bytram
[22:58:18] <Bytram> I was able to drag select all of what was in my terminal window and do a copy of it
[22:58:26] <Bytram> then loaded emacs and did a paste into THAT.
[22:58:32] <crutchy> you getting into githubberies?
[22:58:33] <Bytram> saved it as a file and voila
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[22:59:10] <Bytram> now getting that file from my vm to my main windows box is yet another step, but at least i have it saved away for posterity and need not worry about a reboot taking it all away.
[22:59:13] <Bytram> cyeah, a bit.
[22:59:20] <Yog-Yogguth> nie Bytram :)
[22:59:21] <Bytram> crutchy: yes, a bit.
[22:59:22] <Yog-Yogguth> nice*
[22:59:25] <Bytram> thansk!@
[22:59:30] <Yog-Yogguth> :D
[22:59:42] <crutchy> Bytram, if you want git for dummies, maybe try atlassian's sourcetree
[22:59:51] <crutchy> ~g sourcetree
[22:59:53] <exec> [google] https://www.sourcetreeapp.com
[23:00:03] <crutchy> i use it at home and at work :)
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[23:01:13] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v nick] by Imogen
[23:02:10] <Bytram> thanks for the suggestion. For now, I'll stick with the CLI. I've used Version Control Software before (CVS, PVCS, and even did some testing of Clearcase) but it's been a while.
[23:02:30] <Bytram> the main problem, as I see it, is just learning the vocabulary of how things are done in git.
[23:02:45] <exec> 05*** SN funding has changed from $1,381 to $2,309
[23:02:50] <Bytram> for perspective, I'm a staunch fundamental-mode user of emacs.
[23:03:22] <Bytram> no matter where I go, if I can find an emacs (and it's just about everywhere) then I am good to go.
[23:03:34] <Bytram> want the same kind of flexibility with git.
[23:04:13] <crutchy> ew emacs
[23:04:35] <Yog-Yogguth> when he knows it that well it's probably ot eww at all :)
[23:04:55] <crutchy> though tbh i've been converted away from my old favorite gedit :p
[23:05:14] <Bytram> different courses for different horses, I've been using it for over 25 years
[23:05:19] <crutchy> didn't help that new version of gedit went full tard
[23:05:32] <crutchy> wow
[23:05:35] <Bytram> and I've still barely scratched the surface of what it can do.
[23:05:46] <crutchy> emacs... the systemd of editors
[23:06:23] <crutchy> actually i've never really even tried emacs so i have nfi what i'm talking about :D
[23:06:39] <crutchy> i know it has some weird command thingys
[23:06:51] <Bytram> so you say; my muscle memory is built up and there is a strangely consistent set of orthogonal concepts and keystrokes for manipulating characters, words, and lines.
[23:07:01] <Yog-Yogguth> my problem with emacs is remembering all the commands, beyond that nothing wrong afaik
[23:07:05] <Bytram> and then it starts to get *really* amazing
[23:07:32] <Bytram> just being able to record kbd macros on the fly and then play them back however many times you want.
[23:07:55] <Yog-Yogguth> btw I hadn't tried nano until recently and kind of hated that, not sure why it was/is popular
[23:08:01] <Bytram> nod nod
[23:08:11] <Bytram> Yog-Yogguth: did you ever give the emacs tutorial a try?
[23:08:18] * nick assumes having a favourite text editor must be a programmer/coder thing
[23:08:36] <Yog-Yogguth> long long ago but then I didn't need anything but the simplest text and it felt like overkill
[23:08:39] <Bytram> I found it to be exceptionally well done, clearly presented concepts and tied them back in with what was previously taught
[23:08:55] <crutchy> nick, totally
[23:09:06] <Bytram> gave not only the syntax of the command at hand, but also led into the grammar/language of how it was organized
[23:09:10] <crutchy> its religious even :p
[23:09:15] <Yog-Yogguth> to me pluma (Mint/MATE edition of Gedit) is mroe than enough
[23:09:15] <Bytram> I was up and running in a day.
[23:09:27] <crutchy> Yog-Yogguth, i'm using geany now
[23:09:50] <nick> i gather that from following the vi/emacs debates/bullshit over the years at the old site
[23:09:52] <crutchy> i still love the old version of gedit, but geany is very similar
[23:09:59] <nick> good source of amusement for me
[23:10:02] <crutchy> heh
[23:10:17] <Yog-Yogguth> :)
[23:10:38] <Bytram> nick: you got that right. In the hands of an experienced user, a good text editor enables almost effortless development and dramatically improves productivity.
[23:10:48] * crutchy blames Subsentient (and i think chromas) for the geany brainwashing :p
[23:10:54] <nick> havnt seen any of that here though, too busy on the systemd debate i guess
[23:11:13] <nick> which is more interesting but a whole lot less amusing
[23:11:47] * nick googles geany
[23:11:55] <crutchy> yeah there doesn't seem to be as much of the "but real men use..."
[23:11:59] <crutchy> either
[23:12:13] <Bytram> yeah, I think I saw a couple threads where emacs / vim were 'discussed' but it is sort of a gentleman's agreement that it is mostly a 'religious war' that has been fought forever and not worth taking up the battle again; there's nothing to say that hasn't already been said before.
[23:12:15] <crutchy> ~g geany editor
[23:12:17] <exec> [google] www.geany.org/
[23:12:33] <Bytram> ~g NYSE
[23:12:35] <exec> [google] https://www.nyse.com
[23:12:36] <Yog-Yogguth> >/me also does as nick does and looks at www.geany.org
[23:12:48] <crutchy> ~nyse aapl
[23:12:51] <exec> 111.04
[23:12:53] <exec> http://www.google.com
[23:12:57] * Bytram sticks with his trusted friend -- no trysts for me!
[23:12:59] <Bytram> nograb
[23:13:00] <nick> geany does look nice actually
[23:14:03] <crutchy> i'm not a fan of code folding, so i disable some of that kinda stuff
[23:14:10] <crutchy> also some of the autotext
[23:14:32] <crutchy> i don't like editors pretending they know what i wanna type :p
[23:14:54] <nick> it seems like a good fit for someone like me, who has to dig around in code to edit every so often by far from every day
[23:15:55] <Bytram> break time; biab
[23:16:15] <takyon> http://www.bbc.com
[23:16:17] <Barrabot> ^ 03Target stores attacked by pornographic pranksters - BBC News
[23:16:22] <crutchy> i think its got some compiler-related stuff too, cos you can set breakpoints and stuff. i don't use it for that though
[23:16:39] <takyon> http://www.bbc.com
[23:16:41] <Barrabot> ^ 03Ancestors 'had less sleep' than we do - BBC News
[23:16:55] <nick> better to have extra features you dont need that not quite enough
[23:17:19] <takyon> http://www.bbc.com
[23:17:20] <Barrabot> ^ 03Digital India: Did Modi get it wrong in Silicon Valley? - BBC News
[23:20:24] <nick> interesting article there, or parts of it
[23:20:44] <crutchy> tl;dr :p
[23:21:05] <crutchy> ~time
[23:21:07] <exec> Saturday, 17 October 2015 @ 10:21 am GMT+11 - Melbourne VIC
[23:21:30] <crutchy> gotta go down the shopping centre soon. i fuckin hate shopping centres :<
[23:21:35] <Bytram> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[23:21:36] <Barrabot> ^ 03Dow Jones the latest big-name breach • The Register
[23:22:25] <Bytram> "The Murdoch-owned company says it has notified 3,500 individuals that their personal data might have been accessed in a breach that dates back to August 2012."
[23:22:42] <Bytram> yes, three years' long breach at Dow Jones.
[23:23:14] <Yog-Yogguth> wonder when th journalists are going to understand that everything has been breached and that they're only reporting on people discoving evidence of it
[23:23:40] <nick> when their corporate owners decide thats a good idea
[23:23:44] <nick> so probably a while
[23:24:05] <Yog-Yogguth> guess so
[23:24:21] <Bytram> sadly, I fear you are right.
[23:25:28] <nick> if it undermines confidence in the market, it can't be talked about. Saying everything has been breached and the standards are not fit for purpose would certainly undermine confidence
[23:25:36] <crutchy> the chinese and russians are probably having fun with them
[23:26:00] <Bytram> paranoia is now SOP
[23:26:26] <nick> well the UK isn't worried at all
[23:26:29] <crutchy> if only that paranoia translated into useful action
[23:26:33] <Bytram> pr, as a relatively recent story we published noted; we are now living in a 'code yellow' world
[23:26:53] <nick> as Chinese nuclear reactors are the only hope for the impending UK energy crisis.
[23:27:05] <crutchy> unfortunately i think most of the world simply doesn't give a crap about privacy or security. everyone jusst bitches about it when its cool to do so
[23:27:33] <nick> i made a rambling comment a while ago making that point, crutchy
[23:27:38] <Bytram> and for those of us who *DO* care... we're pretty much screwed. :/
[23:27:38] <crutchy> oh
[23:27:45] <crutchy> sry :p
[23:27:59] <nick> you're free to make it again, but just sayin'
[23:28:03] <nick> i think it was a good one :p
[23:28:06] <Yog-Yogguth> yes that's the problem, caringh costs and also doesn't guarantee anything
[23:28:28] <Bytram> but not caring costs even more.
[23:28:35] <Yog-Yogguth> true :)
[23:28:35] <nick> https://soylentnews.org
[23:28:37] <Barrabot> ^ 03SN comment by [02n1 (993)] (02Score:5, Informative)
[23:28:42] <crutchy> security theatre is more soothing to the masses
[23:28:46] <Bytram> sadly, the costs add up long before one is aware of them.
[23:28:57] <Bytram> and then, when the bill comes due, ouch.
[23:29:16] <crutchy> nick, oh i haven't been following SN very much lately
[23:29:23] <crutchy> been lost in la la land
[23:29:39] <Yog-Yogguth> crutchy you must be my neighbour! :D
[23:29:47] <Yog-Yogguth> I*m an inhabitant of la la land too lol
[23:29:59] <nick> crutchy: can't judge, i'm only here sporadically myself
[23:30:09] <crutchy> la la land is so much safer and happier than the real world
[23:30:11] <nick> just like to make somewhat of an impact when i do reappear ;)
[23:30:22] <Yog-Yogguth> crutchy :)
[23:30:55] <nick> la la land sounds good, i should catch a flight over
[23:30:58] <Yog-Yogguth> hah nick too :)
[23:31:03] <Bytram> nick: it's pretty easy, if you just start at about 10Km altitude... that should make quite the impression
[23:31:26] <crutchy> bugger. wifey has given the command to get ready to go endure the joys of mixing with people at the shopping centre :(
[23:31:33] * Bytram channels Wyle E Coyoe
[23:32:13] <nick> good luck, crutchy
[23:32:24] <Bytram> ^^^
[23:32:28] <Bytram> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[23:32:29] <Barrabot> ^ 03SanDisk 'explores' sale, WD and Micron prick up ears - report • The Register
[23:33:14] <nick> i want to know what bank sandisk has hired to 'explore'
[23:33:17] <Bytram> SanDisk has been synonymous with flash for, like, forever
[23:33:38] <Bytram> know eyed ear
[23:33:46] <Bytram> ;^)
[23:34:19] <Bytram> afk; biab
[23:34:24] * nick hat tip
[23:35:13] <nick> " Last month Western Digital got a $3.8 billion investment from China’s Tsinghua University, adding to its funds available to make deals. "
[23:38:08] <takyon> SanDisk also teamed up with HP according to the Storage Class Memory announcement (post-NAND Intel/Micron XPoint competitor)
[23:38:33] <Yog-Yogguth> Tsinghua, isn't that the nice Chinese beer? :3 Sounds like a very good universtity (no sarasm) :D
[23:39:44] <Bytram> I think you are thinking of: Tsing Dao?
[23:40:19] <nick> tsingtao is decent
[23:40:49] <Bytram> I especially used to enjoy it with extra spicy szechaun food
[23:41:06] <Yog-Yogguth> ooh you're right, my bad https://en.wikipedia.org
[23:41:07] <Barrabot> ^ 03Wiki: Tsingtao Brewery
[23:41:55] <nick> i consumed a lot of it in hong kong one time
[23:42:00] <Yog-Yogguth> :D
[23:43:39] <nick> it appears you're thinking of the same thing, Bytram
[23:43:52] <Bytram> nod nod
[23:44:32] <nick> today i had a couple: http://www.beeradvocate.com
[23:44:33] <Barrabot> ^ 03Abbot Ale | Greene King / Morland Brewery | BeerAdvocate
[23:46:28] <nick> one of the better beers available in a can
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[23:47:30] <BadCoderFinger> Hi guys
[23:48:28] <SirFinkus> beer in cans can be great, doesn't affect the taste
[23:48:56] <BadCoderFinger> Gah! Bite your tongue!
[23:49:18] <SirFinkus> I refuse
[23:49:19] <BadCoderFinger> I cry every month because Drydock sells beer in cans.
[23:49:32] <SirFinkus> I've done blind taste tests
[23:49:50] <BadCoderFinger> If I could get Hop Abomination in glass, I'd buy a year's supply at a time.
[23:50:07] <SirFinkus> makes literally no difference if you pour it into a glass
[23:50:20] <BadCoderFinger> There's still growlers, because I live near the brewery, but it's more expensive that way.
[23:50:30] <SirFinkus> directly out of a can, it'll taste different because it mixes with the air differently
[23:51:02] <SirFinkus> but drinking a beer directly out of a can is for heathens
[23:51:02] <takyon> pour it into a glass
[23:51:08] <SirFinkus> exactly
[23:51:09] <takyon> just pour it into a glass
[23:51:14] <SirFinkus> it will taste exactly the same
[23:51:19] <takyon> HOW MANY fucking times do we have to say it
[23:51:24] <BadCoderFinger> It seems different, even poured into a glass. It might be subjective, but why not offer us consumers the choice?
[23:51:30] <SirFinkus> EXACTLY the same
[23:51:47] <SirFinkus> bottles are inferior in most other ways
[23:51:58] <takyon> you'll taste more of it in a glass vs bottle/can because your nose is more involved
[23:51:58] <SirFinkus> better for drinking out of, but more expensive
[23:52:46] <SirFinkus> also breakable
[23:53:00] <nick> most of the better beer is generally sold in bottles
[23:53:04] <SirFinkus> requires an opener or a countertop or teeth
[23:53:20] <SirFinkus> because bottles are percieved as more high end
[23:53:25] <nick> BadCoderFinger: buy a keg?
[23:53:35] <SirFinkus> and people think cans change the taste
[23:53:57] <BadCoderFinger> nick: Tempting, but not practical... yet. I need a keg fridge thingie.
[23:53:59] <nick> except the beer from the bar thats even better came from a bigger can...
[23:54:17] <nick> i've personally never really thought about it too much, except that good beers usually dont come in cans
[23:54:20] <Bytram> nick: in that case, all you need is a bigger glass!
[23:55:13] <nick> i always have a proper pint glass to hand, usually with water in it though.
[23:56:11] <takyon> you should not use bottle vs can to guess how good a beer is. You should either taste it yourself or look up a beer rating like beeradvocate.
[23:56:12] <nick> whoever came up with the imperial pint was spot on.
[23:56:28] <SirFinkus> also, bottles look like they have more in them
[23:56:52] <nick> i agree, takyon, it's not a deciding factor for me, just an observation over years of beer drinkin' :D
[23:56:55] <takyon> Theoretically can is superior to bottle because it is more portable, easier to ship, cheaper after initial costs for the brewery, and lets less light in, so theoretically beer lasts longer before spoiling
[23:56:55] <SirFinkus> I've blind tested bottle vs can, I have (limited) data
[23:57:09] <Bytram> nick: GIQ - Grand Imperial Quart
[23:58:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - AMD Posts Q3 Results, Spins Off Back-End Testing and Assembly Operations - http://sylnt.us - hanging-in-there
[23:58:18] <nick> would need a big glass for that one
[23:58:20] <takyon> if I was going to test can vs bottle I'd try Sierra Nevada since they sell 12 packs of both. And they have a lot of IPAs which would seem to offer the best contrast.
[23:58:56] <takyon> I think it would be difficult to find the same brew date on can and bottle though