#Soylent | Logs for 2015-10-03

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[00:00:08] <crutchy> the scripts at work just rsync to a file server
[00:00:14] <Bytram> cmn32480: library is closed at this time of night.
[00:00:23] <cmn32480> my stuff is all running on VMWare
[00:00:23] <crutchy> takes about 15 mins to backup 3 VMs
[00:00:37] <cmn32480> how big are the VM's?
[00:00:51] <crutchy> hmm. only about 7 gb maybe
[00:00:54] <crutchy> not sure tbh :p
[00:00:55] <cmn32480> ahhhhh
[00:01:03] <cmn32480> whew.. I thought I was missing out on some huge trick
[00:01:12] <crutchy> heh nah mine are small fry
[00:01:23] <crutchy> only a small company
[00:01:25] <Bytram> so how do you do your backups?
[00:01:32] <cmn32480> my backup window is about 8 hours, due to the shitty network card in the NAS
[00:01:42] <cmn32480> but it is nearly 2TB every night
[00:02:12] <crutchy> we have good nas drives at work. QNAP
[00:02:23] <cmn32480> I use a program called Veeam, designed for bare metal restores of VM's
[00:02:29] <crutchy> ah
[00:02:37] <crutchy> does it have to shut down the VMs?
[00:02:44] <cmn32480> but it also backs up without having to take anythign down.
[00:02:50] <crutchy> noice
[00:02:57] <cmn32480> it is prettyy sweet
[00:03:06] <crutchy> i'm a bit wary of live backups
[00:03:19] <cmn32480> handles my windows boxen quite nicely
[00:03:27] <crutchy> even if they backup without a hitch i never been confident about how they would restore
[00:03:36] <cmn32480> exchange and SQL Server
[00:04:02] <crutchy> ew. windows servers. you poor bastard
[00:04:24] <cmn32480> that's the really nice part. it is the entire disk image. I know they restore, because I do it regualarly to an old server, just to test them.
[00:04:36] <crutchy> ah good idea
[00:04:53] <cmn32480> I think so :-)
[00:05:08] <crutchy> i guess as long as you're doing the backups in a quiet time its probably less risky
[00:05:16] <cmn32480> my windows server environment has been surprisingly stable.
[00:05:40] <cmn32480> but the software doesn't really interact w/ Windows, it interacts w/ VMWare mostly
[00:05:50] <cmn32480> with the exception of the exchange adn SQL Server
[00:07:03] <cmn32480> I've been pretty happy with it.
[00:07:15] <crutchy> i just use vbox. cheap and cheerful :)
[00:07:41] <crutchy> my VMs are very small fry though
[00:08:03] <crutchy> if i worked for a much bigger company with a lot of VM load i'd prolly expect something like xen
[00:08:37] <crutchy> but in that case i wouldn't be dealing with them anyway :p
[00:09:03] <crutchy> where i work i'm part of the IT staff, at least for the linux side :p
[00:09:55] <cmn32480> wher I work, I am the entire IT staff...
[00:10:05] <cmn32480> some days it is good to be the king
[00:10:49] <Bytram> downloading language 26:17 remaining
[00:11:00] <Bytram> downloading language 64:40 remaining
[00:11:06] <Bytram> downloading language 17:54 remaining
[00:11:10] <Bytram> :/
[00:11:29] <cmn32480> ahhhh.. windows time counters... always good for a laugh
[00:11:41] <Bytram> nope; ubuntu mate
[00:11:56] <cmn32480> ahhhh.. ubuntu time counters... always good for a laugh
[00:12:20] <Bytram> lol
[00:12:21] <nick> cmn32480, i do wonder what math goes into them, it must be just a random number generator or something#
[00:12:44] <nick> excuse the #'s, getting used to this new laptop
[00:13:05] <Bytram> my throughput varies widely from x to 5x over any givenminute
[00:13:14] <cmn32480> could be... though I think it might be more like this is how long it would take at the bandwidth you started at... and every so often we are gonna add 20% just to mess with you
[00:13:32] <Bytram> downloading language 8:36 remaining
[00:13:38] <Bytram> downloading language 26:36 remaining
[00:13:45] <Bytram> downloading language 17:20 remaining
[00:13:57] <cmn32480> dear god.. he is counting down the seconds...
[00:14:00] * Bytram wishes it would also post what the current D/L speed is.
[00:14:15] * Bytram always does his best to entertain.
[00:14:22] <cmn32480> I don't think "snail" is an actual speed Bytram
[00:14:36] <Bytram> escargot is tasty, I've heard.
[00:14:49] <cmn32480> supposedly
[00:14:53] <crutchy> ~confucius
[00:14:57] <exec> He is so fat… when she ran away, they had to use all four sides of the milk carton.
[00:14:59] <cmn32480> alligator is tasty
[00:15:03] <crutchy> ~confucius
[00:15:06] <exec> Confucius say… since a lawyer joined the nudist colony, he hasn't had a suit.
[00:15:24] <cmn32480> <groan>
[00:15:28] <crutchy> ~confucius
[00:15:30] <crutchy> hehe
[00:15:39] <exec> Confucius say… sex on beach is like American beer… very near water.
[00:15:47] <crutchy> wat?
[00:15:58] <cmn32480> hahahaha
[00:16:12] <Bytram> bad translation...
[00:16:19] <cmn32480> no
[00:16:21] <crutchy> ~confucius
[00:16:24] <exec> Television enables you to be entertained in your home by people you wouldn't have in your home.
[00:16:26] * Bytram recalls the punchline being they're both F'ing close to water
[00:16:27] <cmn32480> it makes perfect sense
[00:16:42] * Bytram goes to make some dinner
[00:19:08] <nick> if anyone has a vps provider with windows options that is worth a shit, it would be like super awesome if you'd share it
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[00:23:11] <Bytram> nick: why not post it this on your journal, or, better still, submit it as a story? topic: answers
[00:23:20] <Bytram> be sure to ask for poeple *experiences*
[00:24:15] <nick> i was thinking about it, but that feels like cheating lol
[00:24:35] <Bytram> if I may offer another perspective?
[00:24:46] <nick> sure
[00:25:12] <Bytram> Others, when reading the replies, may find a better host than they are currently using -- you're likely not the only one who is unsatisfied with their provider. =)
[00:25:36] <Bytram> so, it helps not only you, but maby other members of the communty, too.
[00:25:43] <cmn32480> I 2nd what he said
[00:25:48] <Bytram> thansk!
[00:26:03] * Bytram is sure you would have speeled it better, though.
[00:26:13] <cmn32480> unlikely
[00:26:19] <Bytram> lol
[00:28:53] <nick> i guess an ask soylent on vps wouldn't be so bad, i did actually do a site search the other day, which naturally didnt offer anything useful
[00:28:56] <cmn32480> is it wrong that I get joy from kicking people off the terminal server?
[00:29:02] <cmn32480> at work
[00:29:24] <nick> yes, very wrong.
[00:29:40] <cmn32480> they were already disconnected
[00:29:56] <cmn32480> but the bastards deserved it
[00:30:02] <cmn32480> I hope they were in the middle of somethign
[00:30:23] <crutchy> terminal server?
[00:30:27] <cmn32480> yes
[00:30:31] <crutchy> is that like windows version of ssh?
[00:30:42] <cmn32480> like Citrixx, but built into Windows
[00:30:51] <cmn32480> Remote Desktop Services
[00:31:24] <cmn32480> kinda like a virtual desktop, if you will
[00:31:48] <crutchy> oh. like xrdp
[00:31:56] <cmn32480> correct
[00:33:02] <crutchy> sometimes i remote desktop to servers from my windows desktop, but most times i just ssh using git-bash
[00:34:30] <crutchy> actually i think the only server that even has x running lately is the host
[00:34:51] <crutchy> the vms are running headless without x
[00:35:43] <crutchy> there was one vm that was windows 7, for a license server, but its not running
[00:35:57] <crutchy> vms are fun
[00:36:34] <nick> that they are
[00:36:50] <Bytram> once they finish installing... :)
[00:37:18] * Bytram has D/L over 500 MB today.
[00:37:48] <cmn32480> that's 1/4th of your monthly usage, isn't it?
[00:38:00] <cmn32480> and all done via soda straw internet connection
[00:38:05] <nick> ouch
[00:38:43] <Bytram> actually, it used to be 2 or 3 GB; I thnk it is up to 5 GB, now.
[00:39:00] <Bytram> soda straw connection, yes, because it sucks?
[00:40:16] <cmn32480> soda straw connection because it is teeny tiny
[00:40:41] <cmn32480> 74 pages of release notes... f**k that.. run the updater
[00:41:57] <Bytram> brb dinner time
[00:42:09] -!- mechanicjay has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[00:45:07] <cmn32480> <crossed fingers>
[00:46:09] <Bytram> whacha updating?
[00:46:24] <cmn32480> our service ticketing system
[00:46:31] <Bytram> oy
[00:46:35] <Bytram> good luck!
[00:46:40] <cmn32480> not worried
[00:46:47] <Bytram> good
[00:47:12] <cmn32480> in the last 6 years, I've done upgrade to 6 major versions and about a half dozen or more minor ones
[00:47:23] <cmn32480> never had a problem as long as I follow the checklist
[00:47:46] * Bytram hope your lucky streak continues
[00:47:54] <cmn32480> me too!
[00:48:19] <cmn32480> like I said, not worried.
[00:48:25] <cmn32480> step 1) Kick everybody out.
[00:48:32] <cmn32480> step 2 backup the DB
[00:48:40] <cmn32480> step 3 backup all the custom reports
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[00:57:23] * SpallsHurgenson slops into the channel and drips
[00:57:45] * SpallsHurgenson would like everyone to know it is raining outside
[00:58:32] <SirFinkus> LIAR
[00:58:39] <SirFinkus> It's just overcast
[00:59:06] <SpallsHurgenson> rainy, windy and COLD
[00:59:23] <SirFinkus> LIAR again
[00:59:34] <SirFinkus> 17 degrees and no wind
[01:00:35] * SpallsHurgenson shivers and drips all over SirFinkus
[01:00:47] <SirFinkus> take me to dinner first
[01:02:06] * SpallsHurgenson offers SirFinkus the broken remains of his umbrella
[01:02:40] <crutchy> cmn32480, there's a checklist!?
[01:02:45] <cmn32480> if you are gonna drip all over the place, at least get a towel!
[01:02:51] <cmn32480> uh huh
[01:02:52] <crutchy> what happened to crossing fingers?
[01:02:58] <cmn32480> very detailed in the release notes
[01:03:06] <SpallsHurgenson> hey, I always have a towel with me, you hoopy frood!
[01:03:12] <crutchy> and pressing the any key
[01:03:19] <cmn32480> i don't really WANT to spend my weekend un-fucking this
[01:04:06] <SpallsHurgenson> assign it to bytram!
[01:04:30] <crutchy> it's an absolutely glorious day outside and i'm hiding inside :/
[01:04:40] <crutchy> ~weather
[01:04:41] <exec> 03Melbourne VIC - currently 23°C, mostly sunny, wind N at 35 km/h, humidity 38% - Saturday sunny (16°C:29°C), Sunday mostly sunny (12°C:28°C), Monday sunny (21°C:33°C), Tuesday cloudy (12°C:36°C)
[01:04:52] <crutchy> ~weather latrobe valley
[01:04:53] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[01:05:06] <crutchy> ~weather traralgon, victoria, australia
[01:05:08] <exec> 03Traralgon VIC - currently 25°C, mostly sunny, wind NW at 8 km/h, humidity 36% - Saturday sunny (16°C:29°C), Sunday sunny (11°C:28°C), Monday sunny (18°C:33°C), Tuesday partly cloudy (11°C:34°C)
[01:05:37] <crutchy> ooh 34 on tuesday
[01:05:42] <cmn32480> ~weather Baltimore
[01:05:43] <exec> 03Baltimore, MD, USA - currently 49°F / 9°C, light rain showers, wind N at 12 mph, humidity 93% - Friday heavy rain (49°F:52°F / 9°C:11°C), Saturday showers (54°F:56°F / 12°C:13°C), Sunday cloudy (53°F:64°F / 12°C:18°C), Monday partly cloudy (53°F:66°F / 12°C:19°C)
[01:06:04] <SirFinkus> SpallsHurgenson's place right now https://www.youtube.com
[01:06:09] <Bytram> cmn32480: any update on Joaquin's path?
[01:06:10] <Schwifty> ^ 03The Weather Girls - It's Raining Men - YouTube
[01:06:20] <crutchy> shit it wont be long and the xmas ads will start barraging us
[01:06:21] <cmn32480> out to sea!
[01:06:23] * Bytram hopes it misses you
[01:06:31] <Bytram> YAY!
[01:06:38] <cmn32480> I was pretty happy too
[01:06:41] <Bytram> well,not so good for the ships, but I'm happy for you.
[01:06:43] <crutchy> summer++
[01:06:43] <Bender> karma - summer: 4
[01:06:48] <crutchy> winter--
[01:06:48] <Bender> karma - winter: -4
[01:06:59] <crutchy> symmetrical_karma++
[01:07:00] <Bender> karma - symmetrical_karma: 1
[01:07:14] <Bytram> I seem to recall summers being warmer than that.
[01:07:19] <Bytram> =)
[01:07:23] * SpallsHurgenson has nicer carpeting but otherwise pretty accurate depiction :)
[01:07:25] <crutchy> getting there
[01:07:42] <crutchy> by december it will hopefully be in the mid-30's a bit more often
[01:07:57] <crutchy> then by february it will probably hit mid 40's :/
[01:08:03] <Bytram> yikes
[01:08:09] <crutchy> air_conditioning++
[01:08:09] <Bender> karma - air_conditioning: 2
[01:08:24] <Bytram> 45 C == 113 F
[01:08:24] <crutchy> dunno how we coped as kids. never had A/C
[01:08:26] <cmn32480> it'll be like that here too... just in F instead of C
[01:08:49] <crutchy> usually only tops about 42'ish here
[01:08:49] <SpallsHurgenson> its 45F here now :-/
[01:08:49] <Bytram> don't I wish! last winter we hit -25 F
[01:09:06] <crutchy> in north-west victoria it gets hotter though
[01:09:21] <SpallsHurgenson> I think the F stands for "fuck you summer's over"
[01:09:24] <crutchy> in the outback it probably gets to 48 or something
[01:09:44] <Bytram> that's 118 F
[01:09:50] <Bytram> ~weather riyad
[01:09:52] <exec> 03Riyadh Saudi Arabia - currently 75°F, clear with periodic clouds, wind W at 0 mph, humidity 18% - Saturday sunny (74°F:101°F), Sunday sunny (73°F:104°F), Monday sunny (75°F:104°F), Tuesday sunny (75°F:103°F)
[01:09:54] <cmn32480> that is f**king HOT
[01:09:56] <crutchy> i think last year the bureau introduced a new temperature color to the charts cos it didn't go high enough
[01:10:01] <Bytram> ~weather baghdad
[01:10:02] <exec> 03Baghdad, Iraq - currently 88°F, widespread dust, wind NE at 22 mph, humidity 33% - Saturday sunny (76°F:109°F), Sunday sunny (75°F:106°F), Monday sunny (75°F:104°F), Tuesday partly cloudy (75°F:105°F)
[01:10:09] <Bytram> ~weather death valley
[01:10:10] <exec> 03Death Valley - currently 94°F, sunny, wind SW at 7 mph, humidity 18% - Friday clear (62°F:93°F), Saturday sunny (64°F:98°F), Sunday partly cloudy (59°F:87°F), Monday scattered thunderstorms (59°F:83°F)
[01:10:20] <SirFinkus> I won't lie, I fucking love this song
[01:10:27] <cmn32480> i dind't know htere was a color called "you're hosed"
[01:11:06] <Bytram> ubuntu install seems to be stuck on: Running post-installation trigger update-notifier-common
[01:11:22] <crutchy> looks like death valley has highest recorded temp
[01:11:48] <Bytram> aha! and now it's leaped back into action.
[01:12:15] <Bytram> Installation complete! You need to restart the computer in order to use the new installation.
[01:12:16] <Bytram> =)
[01:12:30] <crutchy> apparently it got to 56.7 deg C there in 1913
[01:12:32] <cmn32480> just the VM... not the host Bytram
[01:12:34] <crutchy> wow fuck that
[01:12:36] <crutchy> very hot
[01:12:41] * Bytram clicks [Restart Now] and waits again.
[01:13:01] <Bytram> crutchy: yep, that's 133.7 F
[01:13:20] <Bytram> cmn32480: thanks for the warning... I can see that mistake being made if I am not careful.
[01:14:23] <crutchy> ~convert 56.7 C F
[01:14:24] <exec> 0356.7°C = 134.06°F
[01:14:46] <crutchy> ~convert 1 USD AUD
[01:14:47] <exec> 031 USD = 1.4178 AUD
[01:17:21] <SpallsHurgenson> convert 1 protestant catholic
[01:18:20] <SpallsHurgenson> damn, I forgot the tilde
[01:18:33] <takyon> http://www.anandtech.com
[01:18:39] <Schwifty> ^ 03AMD Releases New PRO Mobile APUs: Carrizo up to A12-8800B
[01:21:24] <SpallsHurgenson> AMD? They're still around?
[01:23:10] <nick> i like amd
[01:23:52] <takyon> they're hanging in there
[01:24:14] <Bytram> same here, my just-replaced lappy gave me 10 years of good solid service -- AMD Athlon 64.
[01:24:22] <takyon> I wonder if they will put High Bandwidth Memory on PRO APUs next year
[01:24:37] <SirFinkus> fucking pouring a nitro stout and watching the bubbles
[01:24:41] <SirFinkus> best thing ever
[01:24:45] <takyon> ah hell yeah
[01:24:49] <takyon> nitro stouts are the bomb
[01:25:49] <SirFinkus> I'm drinking the left hand milk stout, almost as good as on tap
[01:26:06] <Bytram> http://go.theregister.com
[01:26:12] <Schwifty> ^ 03Mold whine: Soylent superfood shipments stopped by spore scare • The Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
[01:26:42] <Bytram> so the when the Soylent actually became green, they couldn't seel it any more?
[01:26:46] <Bytram> s/seel/sell/
[01:26:47] <sedctl> <Bytram> so the when the Soylent actually became green, they couldn't sell it any more?
[01:26:50] <takyon> if fungi find it nutritious, it must be good for you
[01:27:11] <Silverly> tea++
[01:27:11] <Bender> karma - tea: 501
[01:27:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> dangit, you broke the nice round number
[01:27:47] <Bytram> tea--
[01:27:47] <Bender> karma - tea: 500
[01:27:52] <Bytram> fixed that for you
[01:27:58] <Bytram> :P
[01:27:59] <takyon> tea--
[01:28:00] <Bender> karma - tea: 499
[01:28:04] <Bytram> tea++
[01:28:04] <Bender> karma - tea: 500
[01:28:07] <Bytram> =)
[01:28:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> my CDO thanks you
[01:28:15] <SirFinkus> voting is rigged, it's a scam
[01:28:17] <takyon> I stopped drinking my daily half gallon of tea last week
[01:28:34] <Bytram> ubuntu is finally up and running, and I darn near forgot what I got it running for!
[01:28:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> half gallon? you great southern pansy!
[01:28:46] <SirFinkus> tea would win over coffee if the voting wasn't rigged
[01:28:57] * Bytram needs a break; biab
[01:28:58] <takyon> not sweet tea
[01:28:58] <Bytram> afk
[01:28:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> riggedvoting++
[01:28:59] <Bender> karma - riggedvoting: 1
[01:29:21] <SirFinkus> I'd downvote it, but I'm boycotting the karma system
[01:29:34] <cmn32480> by rigged you mean too many americans votign for coffee?
[01:29:35] * TheMightyBuzzard snickers
[01:29:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, too many people trolling it
[01:29:54] <SirFinkus> no, if you -- coffee, it ++s tea
[01:29:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> so i cheated and made coffee-- = tea++
[01:30:27] * TheMightyBuzzard hax0red Bender
[01:30:54] <Silverly> ~convert 1 aud usd
[01:30:54] <exec> 031 AUD = 0.7053 USD
[01:32:28] <crutchy> looks like our fed is doing its job apparently
[01:32:40] <SpallsHurgenson> ~convert Mac_user Windows_user
[01:32:41] <exec> 03syntax: ~convert %amount% %from_unit% %to_unit%
[01:33:03] <crutchy> ~convert 1 mm in
[01:33:03] <exec> 031 " = 0.039 kg
[01:33:08] <SpallsHurgenson> gosh darn it, I'll never get the hang of this thing!
[01:33:09] <crutchy> lmao
[01:33:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~convert 1 shitload shitton
[01:33:56] <exec> 03syntax: ~convert %amount% %from_unit% %to_unit%
[01:35:23] <crutchy> ~convert 1 mm in
[01:35:23] <exec> 031 " = 0.039 mm
[01:35:43] <crutchy> looks like the number was right. just the caption fekked
[01:36:36] <crutchy> ~convert 1 mm in
[01:36:36] <Bytram> 2ez4u2c
[01:36:37] <exec> 031 in = 0.039 mm
[01:36:53] <SpallsHurgenson> ~convert 1 jpg png
[01:36:54] <exec> 03syntax: ~convert <amount> <from_unit> <to_unit>
[01:36:55] <crutchy> Bytram, hunter2 is moar secure
[01:36:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~convert 1 in mm
[01:37:00] <exec> 031 mm = 25.4 in
[01:37:01] <crutchy> or ****
[01:37:03] <Bytram> i dunno about that.
[01:37:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, your shat = fux0red
[01:37:25] <crutchy> bugger did i put them arse about :/
[01:37:54] <crutchy> ~convert 1 mm in
[01:37:54] <exec> 031 mm = 0.039 in
[01:38:01] <crutchy> ~convert 1 in mm
[01:38:02] <exec> 031 in = 25.4 mm
[01:38:49] <crutchy> i should just let google work all that shit out
[01:38:57] <crutchy> meh
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[01:39:40] <Deucalion> TMB, thanks for sorting suggestion / issue #215 / #218 - I'd already forgotten that I sub'd that :D
[01:40:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> it was on top so it got first dibs
[01:40:39] <crutchy> .dec2hex 128
[01:40:39] <exec> 80
[01:41:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hawaii Recovers $53.1M in General Excise Taxes From Online Travel Companies - http://sylnt.us - land-of-fun-and-sun
[01:41:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> .hex2dec deadbeef
[01:41:18] <exec> 3735928559
[01:42:21] <crutchy> ~convert 1 shitton kg
[01:42:22] <exec> 031 kg = 0 shitton
[01:42:36] <crutchy> ~convert 1000 shitton kg
[01:42:37] <exec> 031000 kg = 0 shitton
[01:42:38] <SpallsHurgenson> .dec2hex 8008135
[01:42:39] <exec> 7a31c7
[01:43:09] <SpallsHurgenson> taelct?
[01:43:18] <crutchy> ~convert 1000 shitton kg
[01:43:19] <exec> 031000 kg = 23.81 shitton
[01:44:00] <crutchy> ~convert 1 shitton kg
[01:44:01] <exec> 031 kg = 0.024 shitton
[01:44:09] <crutchy> ~convert 1 shittoderpn kg
[01:44:10] <exec> 03syntax: ~convert <amount> <from_unit> <to_unit>
[01:44:34] <Deucalion> Bytram, you may find Linux Mint more palatable compared to Ubuntu if coming from an older Windows setup. Mint MATE / Cinnamon ~ WinXP feel, mainline Ubuntu w. Unity desktop ~ Win8 feel with its scopes, lenses and search based thingamy. As always... can always chuck it in a VirtualBox for trial :)
[01:44:38] <crutchy> ~convert 1 shitton kg
[01:44:39] <exec> 031 kg = 0.024 shitton
[01:44:42] <takyon> surprised nobody commented on the NASA story
[01:44:49] <crutchy> ~convert 1 kg shitton
[01:44:50] <exec> 031 shitton = 42 kg
[01:44:58] <crutchy> arse about
[01:45:07] <crutchy> ~convert 1 in mm
[01:45:08] <exec> 031 in = 25.4 mm
[01:45:12] <Bytram> Deucalion: thanks for the info
[01:45:43] <crutchy> ~convert 1 kg shitton
[01:45:44] <exec> 031 kg = 0.024 shitton
[01:45:49] <crutchy> ~convert 1 shitton kg
[01:45:50] <exec> 031 shitton = 42 kg
[01:45:59] <SpallsHurgenson> http://www.theatlantic.com
[01:46:04] <Schwifty> ^ 03Why It Was Easier to Be Skinny in the 1980s - The Atlantic
[01:46:25] <crutchy> mcd's wasn't on every corner?
[01:46:34] <SpallsHurgenson> hint: it's all about our precious essences!
[01:46:38] <Deucalion> Bytram, also worth googlying how to disable the always online Amazon search scopes if using Ubuntu w. Unity. If you care about that kind of thing :)
[01:46:48] <crutchy> actually its because fresh food wasn't a ripoff
[01:47:04] <Bytram> yeah, that I would definitely want to do.
[01:47:13] <SpallsHurgenson> no, the study says that even if you ate the same food and did the same exercise, you'd still be meatier today
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[01:47:31] <crutchy> i tried ubuntu once. i gave up cos i was just removing stuff to get back to something that looked more like debian
[01:47:48] <SpallsHurgenson> they suspect it may have to do with the drugs in our diet messing with our chemistry, or hormones fucking around with our gastric biota :)
[01:47:51] <crutchy> debian++
[01:47:51] <Bender> karma - debian: 48
[01:48:14] * SpallsHurgenson is still cold...
[01:48:35] * crutchy offers SpallsHurgenson's biota some warmth
[01:48:41] <crutchy> ~weather
[01:48:42] <exec> 03Melbourne VIC - currently 27°C, mostly sunny, wind N at 27 km/h, humidity 30% - Saturday partly cloudy (16°C:30°C), Sunday mostly sunny (12°C:28°C), Monday sunny (21°C:33°C), Tuesday cloudy (12°C:36°C)
[01:48:56] <crutchy> feels a bit warmer than 27 outside
[01:49:04] <crutchy> but its nice nonetheless :)
[01:49:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, or that we were out doing shit and not fucking around on computers back in the 80s
[01:49:18] <crutchy> yeah that too
[01:49:53] <crutchy> when i was a kid i played outside. though to be fair i lived in a town of maybe 1200 people. life was simpler back then
[01:50:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm...
[01:50:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> i skateboarded and lifted weights back in the 80s so it was eeeeasy
[01:51:32] <crutchy> tmb, are you a 70's kid?
[01:51:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar. 75.
[01:51:45] <crutchy> ah
[01:51:49] <crutchy> bit older than me
[01:51:57] <crutchy> i'm '82
[01:52:01] * TheMightyBuzzard hits crutchy with his cane
[01:52:01] <Deucalion> crutchy, I found Ubuntu great back around v10.04 to ~12.04 - then the wheels kinda fell off it from my point of view. It is still slick in the "everything works outta the box" kinda way but the compromises required... nah. S'all personal preference of course.
[01:52:59] <crutchy> debian works out of the box, but yeah personal pref. ubuntu is just debian with extra layers of flugg
[01:53:04] <crutchy> *fluff
[01:53:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/fluff/utter shit/
[01:53:37] <crutchy> that too heh. but i guess some people don't mind it
[01:53:52] <SirFinkus> hey guys, I found an awesome guitarist
[01:53:57] <SirFinkus> you might not have heard of him
[01:54:01] <crutchy> tommy emmanuel?
[01:54:05] <Deucalion> Joe Satriani?
[01:54:06] <SirFinkus> but god, is he good
[01:54:15] * SirFinkus is listening to The Jimi Hendrix Experience — Voodoo Chile, from the album Electric Ladyland
[01:54:27] <crutchy> jimmy hendrix?
[01:54:31] <crutchy> who hasn't heard of him?
[01:54:36] <Deucalion> Is he new on the scene???? :D
[01:54:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> who?
[01:54:40] <SirFinkus> yeah
[01:54:42] <crutchy> lol
[01:54:46] <SirFinkus> no, Jimi
[01:55:03] <SirFinkus> you must be thinking of someone different crutchy
[01:55:11] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, he was probably still stuck in a purple haze when you were a kid
[01:55:16] <Deucalion> A cover artiste?
[01:55:23] <SirFinkus> nope
[01:55:31] <SirFinkus> original awesome blues shit
[01:55:39] <SirFinkus> I hear he's left handed too
[01:55:39] <crutchy> 'scuse me while i kiss the sky
[01:55:58] <SirFinkus> they lyric is "excuse me while I kiss this guy"
[01:56:09] <crutchy> lmao
[01:56:14] <crutchy> it does kinda sound like that
[01:56:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i saw cheech do that song on some movie. that guy musta covered it.
[01:58:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[01:58:32] <Schwifty> ^ 03Cheech Marin plays the song Purple Haze - YouTube
[01:59:14] <SirFinkus> this jimi guy does an amazing cover of that one
[01:59:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> does that bob dylan song too don't he?
[01:59:51] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[01:59:52] <Schwifty> ^ 03Jimi Hendrix Purple Haze Live at Woodstock - YouTube
[01:59:54] <SirFinkus> look at this
[02:00:01] <SirFinkus> sorry the audio is kind of bad
[02:00:23] <SirFinkus> it was played at some shitty festival in the mud
[02:00:46] <SirFinkus> some weird hippy shit
[02:01:13] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[02:01:14] <Schwifty> ^ 03Purple Haze | Reddit Request #3 | Tommy Emmanuel - YouTube
[02:01:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, i'm allergic to hippies
[02:03:32] <SirFinkus> naw, it's cool
[02:03:38] <SirFinkus> he played the national anthem too
[02:03:44] <SirFinkus> so not a real hippy
[02:03:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, thas fine then
[02:04:04] <SirFinkus> all american
[02:04:11] <SirFinkus> he's a veteran too
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[02:05:41] <takyon> PAPA
[02:11:39] <Bytram> MAMA
[02:11:46] <Bytram> GAGA
[02:11:49] <Bytram> WAWA
[02:12:00] <Bytram> =)
[02:12:07] <Bytram> g'night everyone!
[02:12:48] <crutchy> ~g'night Bytram|away
[02:12:50] * exec abnormally passes a wine flute of Debian to Bytram|away
[02:13:06] <Bytram|away> crutchy: and a fine g'night to you, as well.
[02:13:12] * SpallsHurgenson bought kitty super-extra-special kitty food today... 96% meat, no grain, cellulose or gluten... has half the calories of a regular can of catfood (so I need to feed her two) and costs $2.89 a can.
[02:13:14] <crutchy> exec++ # debian is much more refined than ubuntu :p
[02:13:14] <Bender> karma - exec: 29
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[02:13:59] <crutchy> my parents' cat can barely find the food dish
[02:14:00] <SpallsHurgenson> and now I'm trying to figure out if her incessant mewling means, "holy shit this is great food" or "yuck, where's my regular stuff?"
[02:14:12] <crutchy> like kids and toys maybe
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[02:14:41] <SpallsHurgenson> like kids and mcdonalds, more like it
[02:15:03] <crutchy> but if the cat is making noises kinda like growling almost, whiles she eats, i think that's a foodgasm
[02:15:05] <SpallsHurgenson> give 'em filet mignon and they moan about how it does come with a toy...
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[02:15:43] <SpallsHurgenson> no, this is a "walks up to me and mewls" after eating.
[02:15:58] <crutchy> ah. is it drooling?
[02:16:13] <crutchy> that's also a foodgasm :p
[02:16:27] <SpallsHurgenson> please, we are talking cats, not dogs. The former have CLASS and DIGNITY
[02:16:35] <SpallsHurgenson> (and an excess of capital LETTERS)
[02:16:41] <crutchy> lol not when they're foodgasming
[02:18:57] <SpallsHurgenson> even then. Oh sure, it might LOOK to the untrained and uncultured eye as if they are literally rolling around in their food, but this is just a classier way of taking in the aroma and flavor than we walking-can openers can comprehend :)
[02:20:05] <crutchy> i had a beagle when i was a kid. it used to have foodgasms with rotten fishing bat
[02:20:08] <crutchy> bait
[02:20:10] <takyon> http://www.tomshardware.com
[02:20:16] <Schwifty> ^ 03AMD's Head Of VR Marketing, Sasa Marinkovic, On The Present And Future Of VR
[02:20:18] <crutchy> he used to literally roll in the stuff
[02:20:28] <SpallsHurgenson> that's just a disgusting lack of self-control when a dog does it :)
[02:20:30] <crutchy> AMD has a future?
[02:20:58] <SpallsHurgenson> not if they are tying their fortunes to
[02:20:59] <SpallsHurgenson> VR
[02:21:08] <SpallsHurgenson> (who put the ENTER key there?)
[02:24:24] <crutchy> lemme guess you meant to press the any key?
[02:26:20] <Deucalion> SirFinkus-Shitty-FestivalInTheMud-WithCrazyPricing++ About sums up the festival scene these days.
[02:27:30] <SirFinkus> forgot the drugs Deucalion
[02:29:02] <Deucalion> Hmm - UK festivals these days - cameras and police presence everywhere..... not the place to be dropping a tab or two of acid. I swear they were more fun 20 years ago, but that could be my failing memory and rose tinted specs :D
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[02:30:29] <SirFinkus> wouldn't know, living in the US
[02:31:13] <SpallsHurgenson> our cops don't use cameras. they just shoot you :)
[02:31:33] <SirFinkus> and being a D.A.R.E graduate
[02:31:44] <crutchy> never been into live music
[02:31:56] <takyon> it's probably better with the acid
[02:32:03] <crutchy> too loud, full of sweaty bogans, booze, fights, booze, more fights
[02:32:09] <SpallsHurgenson> hmmm... my new phone hasn't shipped yet. :(
[02:32:39] <SpallsHurgenson> I hate concerts. I love the music but then I see what the musicians look like and I'm, like, oh god no
[02:32:49] <takyon> also live music/concert experience is drastically different based on the bands and the venue
[02:33:59] <SirFinkus> band being the most important thing
[02:34:16] <SirFinkus> a band that's great at performing will kick ass anywhere
[02:37:27] <Deucalion> crutchy, IME bands are better in a smaller venue - cosy theatre sized space is about as big as I'd want to see a band in. A ginormous field with 50K people all trying to "capture the moment" on their phones held over their head... kinda spoils the thing for me. I guess I must take my curmudgeon branding right now :D
[02:37:58] <crutchy> nah i agree
[02:38:41] <crutchy> small venues ok. big venues with people just trying to prove to their fake online "friends" how cool they are is lame
[02:43:42] <Deucalion> The smaller venues, like theatres were built with acoustics in mind from the design stage on. A bunch of speakers in a muddy field.... not so much. The festival now, is more about the social congregation rather than the content. Which is all well and good if one is attending for the social side of things rather than the music. Well... some of us are not so social. I came for the music not the people is my mindset :)
[02:46:23] <takyon> http://nextbigfuture.com
[02:46:28] <Schwifty> ^ 03Next Big Future: War and Peacetime Profiteering Update - Gerald Ford Aircraft Carriers over budget, years behind schedule and technologically doomed on arrival
[02:47:31] <crutchy> takyon, eventually the pentagon might learn
[02:47:39] <crutchy> well probably not
[02:47:40] <takyon> what do you mean
[02:47:43] <takyon> the system works
[02:48:13] <crutchy> "the system" being rorting the taxpayer for big defense contractors?
[02:48:28] <cmn32480> rorting?
[02:51:26] <crutchy> https://imgur.com
[02:51:26] <Schwifty> ^ 03Dad - Imgur
[02:51:29] <crutchy> this is so true
[02:51:42] <Deucalion> "rorting" is aussie term I think.... for "shafting"... bend over and pay for it
[02:51:44] <crutchy> i can confirm all steps up to age 30 anyways :p
[02:51:56] <crutchy> ~define rort
[02:51:57] <exec> [urbandictionary] 03rort: To cheat, rip-off, beat, defraud, hack or scam something.
[02:52:51] <Deucalion> Separated by a common language again :D
[02:53:26] <SpallsHurgenson> australians don't have a language. drunken grunts and moans aren't a language :)
[02:54:33] <Deucalion> SpallsHurgenson, ever visited Aus?
[02:55:16] <SpallsHurgenson> I got a genuine aussie boomerang from there!
[02:55:24] <Deucalion> SpallsHurgenson, ever visited Aus?
[02:55:35] <SirFinkus> fuck off, we're full
[02:55:58] <Silverly> we arent THAT full
[02:55:59] <SpallsHurgenson> kiwis speak two languages: english and sheep :)
[02:56:02] <Silverly> :P
[02:56:33] <Deucalion> Aus is full SirFinkus? Perhaps the coasts are... that bit in the middle... that could do with some people....
[02:57:20] <cmn32480> no way.
[02:57:29] <cmn32480> you see the termperature discussion earlier?
[02:58:17] <Deucalion> You think I read back a few thousand lines of scroll each time I pop on?
[02:58:27] <SpallsHurgenson> yes
[02:58:31] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[02:58:34] <Silverly> ~convert 50 usd to aud
[02:58:34] <exec> 03syntax: ~convert <amount> <from_unit> <to_unit>
[02:58:37] <Schwifty> ^ 03Steve Irwin The Deadliest Snake On Earth - YouTube
[02:58:43] <Silverly> ~convert 50 usd aud
[02:58:44] <exec> 0350 USD = 70.8900 AUD
[02:58:45] <SpallsHurgenson> our conversations are fascinating and not to be missed!
[02:58:57] <Silverly> fucking aussie dollar
[02:58:57] <cmn32480> yes. I do
[02:59:06] <Silverly> get your shit together
[03:00:13] <Deucalion> wut? me?
[03:00:44] <Silverly> nah, im just annoyed the aud dollar is such rubbish to the american dollar
[03:00:54] * Deucalion puts my shit in a pile. I'd rather have flushed it.... but here we are...... looking at a pile of shit.
[03:00:58] <Silverly> it means i cant refill my steam wallet
[03:01:44] <crutchy> Silverly, a high currency isn't a good thing
[03:01:52] <crutchy> unless your country depends on imports
[03:02:03] <crutchy> i guess for the USA a high dollar is good
[03:02:11] <SirFinkus> I love how irwin would sneak up on these snakes
[03:02:19] <SirFinkus> then suddenly grab them
[03:02:20] <Silverly> true, but i like buying stuff online :P
[03:02:30] <crutchy> low aussie dollar is better for aussie economy
[03:02:31] <Deucalion> Yeh - you guys do get a raw deal on the USD - AUD conversion thing. It used to be explained away as shipping costs.. but for digital goods? Hmm...
[03:03:17] <crutchy> Deucalion, low aussie dollar means more aussies likely to buy locally, which is good for jobs and overall local economy
[03:03:29] <crutchy> reduces trade deficit
[03:03:37] <crutchy> helps miners and exporters
[03:03:42] <SpallsHurgenson> hey, getting digital data down to Australia requires a lot of effort
[03:03:50] <SpallsHurgenson> they have to turn all the 1s and 0s upside down!
[03:03:55] <crutchy> also makes cheaper for overseas companies to invest in australia
[03:04:22] <crutchy> high aussie dollar was a worry. ideally it would go down a bit more
[03:05:04] <Silverly> but i just per it for hover around 90 cents, not 70
[03:05:15] <Silverly> s/per/perfer
[03:05:15] * sedctl tosses a / to Selvarly
[03:05:19] <crutchy> lmao
[03:05:21] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[03:05:23] <Deucalion> Also means every nation becomes more insular and nationalistic again crutchy, which is not so good for global peace and harmony. In a time of near instant global communication, the concept of the nation goes out the window.
[03:05:26] <Schwifty> ^ 03The crocodile hunter - Steve and the dragon - YouTube
[03:05:36] <crutchy> "holy smokes that was too close! ... let's follow 'em!" :D
[03:05:41] <crutchy> gotta love steve irwin
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[03:06:20] <crutchy> Deucalion, i think the world might be a bit more peaceful if people minded their own business a bit more
[03:07:28] <crutchy> international trade is a good thing, but today there are more tensions due to "national security" insterests in foreign lands
[03:07:57] <crutchy> the USA is one of the most nationalistic country on earth
[03:08:14] * SirFinkus is listening to The Jimi Hendrix Experience — Foxey Lady, from the album Are You Experienced
[03:08:25] <crutchy> it doesn't fight for global peace or harmony. it fights for its national interests
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[03:11:50] <Deucalion> crutchy, might be a little late for that thought. How many centuries have the Portuguese, Spanish, French, Brits, Dutch etc. been colonising? Has to be half a millennia. The middle east right now.... result of the Versailles Treaty to dissect the Ottoman empire... take a ruler and draw some lines on a map regardless of local tribal power structures. Then try to enforce those artificial lines in the sand so to speak. I agree... completely fucke
[03:11:50] <Deucalion> d up. But this is now not then. How do you suggest we move forward?
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[03:12:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - What You'll Actually Pay At 1,550 Colleges - http://sylnt.us - just-empty-your-wallet
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[03:22:21] <Deucalion> Looking backing and in hindsight saying "this is how I would have done it" is very different from "this is how things are now... so how do we move on from what we have right now". The former is learning from past experience and mistakes the latter is trying to predict the future. I'll leave the reader to guess which is harder to do.
[03:29:50] * Deucalion kills all conversation dead yet again.... I need to work on that :(
[03:32:51] <cmn32480> gentlemen, it is time for me to head for bed
[03:33:04] <cmn32480> sweet dreams to all, and to all a good night!
[03:33:05] <Deucalion> sleep well cmn32480
[03:36:01] <JamesNZ> Don't let the bed bugs bite!
[03:36:37] <crutchy> Deucalion, i think militaries need to back off
[03:36:45] <crutchy> re going forward
[03:37:20] <crutchy> all those countries that think they are doing the world a favor by beating up on some smaller country... not good
[03:38:14] <crutchy> china is probably the only model superpower atm
[03:38:21] <crutchy> USA and russia are terrible
[03:38:55] <crutchy> china has its problems too i guess
[03:39:57] <crutchy> i think there is a lot of western propaganda about china lately. i don't reckon their economy is doing as bad as the media portrays
[03:40:38] <Deucalion> crutchy, what is your end goal? you seem to be going for equality at some level.
[03:40:50] <crutchy> nah i don't care about equality
[03:40:58] <crutchy> just peace
[03:41:12] <Deucalion> no equality no peace
[03:41:23] <SirFinkus> LOOK AT THE SIZE OF IT, I CAN SEE IT FROM HERE, IT'S A STEAMER!
[03:41:27] <crutchy> for sure, but intervention means even less peace
[03:41:57] <Deucalion> different discussion.
[03:42:09] <crutchy> its the lesser of two evils for superpowers to exercise military restraint
[03:42:36] <crutchy> they may not like regional scuffles, but really its none of anyone else's business
[03:42:52] <crutchy> if a country *asks* for help, that's different
[03:43:23] <crutchy> but even then there must be restraint and discussion
[03:43:38] <crutchy> because intervening to assist a dictator probably wont help either
[03:44:02] <Deucalion> Are you talking about the mid-east now?
[03:44:28] <crutchy> the mid-east should serve as a prime example of why foreign intervention doesn't work
[03:45:06] <Deucalion> Depends on your definition of "work"
[03:45:28] <crutchy> s/work/promote peace/
[03:45:28] <sedctl> <crutchy> the mid-east should serve as a prime example of why foreign intervention doesn't promote peace
[03:47:50] <Deucalion> Keep the despot in power friendly just until they gather enough power to become independent then topple them by force or insurgence to put in place another will be despot. I agree, bad form, but that is what the western world is doing in the mid-east.
[03:51:06] <Deucalion> The "foreign intervention" is working fine if you consider the aim is to keep the region unstable. And now we are supposed to be surprised that ISIS formed as an extreme reactionary force? Who knew there would be a kick back? Well pretty much everyone.... yet here we are mopping up the mess.
[03:51:33] <crutchy> ron paul predicted it decades ago. the CIA calls it 'blow back'
[03:52:39] <crutchy> for a long time, US intervention in iran in 1953 was predicted to result in today's quagmire
[03:52:58] <Deucalion> I refuse to comment on the USA TLA's lest I need to visit there again.... my cavities shall remain my own.
[03:53:06] <crutchy> ron paul even warned congress about 9/11, but it fell on deaf ears
[03:53:24] <crutchy> its scary how stupid US foreign policy is lately :/
[03:53:48] <crutchy> peace is definitely *not* its objective
[03:54:18] <crutchy> heh i don't wanna visit there either. my brother did recently. he said it wasn't too bad
[03:54:43] <crutchy> he did comment that black people were much friendlier than white people
[03:54:54] <crutchy> (out of those that he came across that is)
[03:54:56] <Deucalion> I think you got it.. "lately" does not come into it.... this has been going on for centuries.
[03:55:41] <crutchy> there will always be local wars around the world occasionally. particularly when it comes to religions clashing
[03:57:20] <Deucalion> Then you have to look at your own lifestyle and consider your own consumption.... how much of that would be possible without the previous generations' exploitation of others. This shit is cloudy and gray as hell.
[03:58:22] <Deucalion> Human nature in a nutshell.... tread on others before being trodden on.
[03:58:33] <crutchy> no doubt my lifestyle comes at a cost to others, but that also supports a case for stepping back and exercising restraint
[03:59:00] <crutchy> there would be a little more balance without superpower militaries bashing the little guy
[03:59:47] <Deucalion> And again we come back to.... by all means - design something that could possibly work for the mid-east. Feel free to redraw thew lines
[04:00:25] <crutchy> the middle east has survived for thousands of years. the western world should not even try to redraw lines there
[04:00:36] <crutchy> it is simply not qualified
[04:01:25] <crutchy> i'm sure google maps will be able to manage if there are uncertain borders
[04:01:52] <crutchy> in fact uncertain borders kinda lends itself to what you were saying earlier about nationalism
[04:02:17] <crutchy> western policy tries too hard to pigeonhole people into fixed borders
[04:03:00] <crutchy> in that sense its really not surprising that ISIS is thriving
[04:03:22] <crutchy> its the anti-thesis of western policy
[04:03:27] <Deucalion> Yes, I know, But we did. But even now most wars are inter-tribal or religious sect and pay no heed to national borders. Who gives a fuck about a line on a map if someone is lobbing munitions at them.
[04:05:55] <crutchy> though ISIS could do a lot worse if the yanks would stop sending them fkin weapons :/
[04:06:29] <crutchy> "moderate rebels" my arse
[04:07:26] <Deucalion> Wouldn't hurt to send some arms to the Kurds either. Poor bastards.... they never got their own little patch.
[04:08:27] <crutchy> they seem to have been fighting well despite ISIS being armed by the US
[04:08:35] <Deucalion> Anyway, I am off to my bed..... safe in the knowledge I will not be shelled tonight.
[04:08:42] <crutchy> lol
[04:08:50] <crutchy> ~g'night Deucalion
[04:08:51] * exec accidentally flings a wad of g'day juice at Deucalion
[04:08:56] <crutchy> :p
[04:09:27] <Deucalion> You have refs for IS being armed by the US? Pop them in here, will read when I re-animate.
[04:15:53] <crutchy> there are lots. i find the congressional sessions to be the most enlightening
[04:16:17] <crutchy> rand paul is well known for highlighting the flaws in US policy in Syria
[04:16:32] <crutchy> youtube has many good clips
[04:17:38] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com for example
[04:17:44] <Schwifty> ^ 03Sen. Rand Paul Argues Against U.S. Arming Syrian Rebels on Senate Floor - September 18, 2014 - YouTube
[04:18:13] <crutchy> the title alone should give it away
[04:18:42] <crutchy> that arming of syrian rebels had to be argued against was bad enough
[04:20:14] <crutchy> don't trust media 'interpretations' or editorials or opinions
[04:20:43] <crutchy> i prefer to watch and listen to videos with the politicians speaking for themselves
[04:21:11] <crutchy> people like john mccain, lindsay graham, john kerry, etc. are disgusting
[04:21:22] <crutchy> from both sides of the aisle
[04:21:42] <JamesNZ> They'll all get Trumped, mark my words.
[04:22:46] <crutchy> its still a long way to the 2016 election. trump is only the current flavor of the day, like hillary was a few months ago
[04:24:56] <crutchy> his campaign so far has probably been a good marketing campaign for his business interests
[04:28:16] <JamesNZ> Holy smokes, did Rand Paul filibuster for 11 hours? O_o
[04:30:39] <JamesNZ> Jeepers, he did: http://www.slate.com
[04:30:45] <Schwifty> ^ 03Rand Paul Is Waging an Epic Mr. Smith-Style Filibuster Right Now
[04:32:31] <JamesNZ> How do you even do that...
[04:33:34] <SirFinkus> mccain has a little bit of respect from me, as he's been consistently against torture
[04:33:57] <SirFinkus> sad as it may be that that's a controversial position these days
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[04:50:25] <crutchy> SirFinkus, he might talk about it, but he loves gitmo, so like it matters
[04:51:06] <crutchy> being against torture but for gitmo is kinda stupid
[04:52:12] <crutchy> wow. apparently now he wants to close gitmo :/
[04:52:52] <crutchy> i guess fighting turrists isn't as palatable as it used to be
[04:56:16] <crutchy> hmm actually it looks like some of his gitmo stances have been related to other things
[04:56:40] <crutchy> anyway, from the videos i've seen of him speaking in congress, he's a douche
[04:57:43] <SirFinkus> he is, but I like his position on that, especially since it's against the party line
[04:57:50] <SirFinkus> he has at least a little backbone
[04:58:44] <SirFinkus> and he's probably one of the few people qualified to really speak on it in an informed manner
[05:01:20] <crutchy> i would have thought after his experiences he would be a little less of a war hawk
[05:01:57] <SirFinkus> I don't like that aspect of his politics, but I don't think he should be lumped in with the other people you mentioned
[05:02:29] <crutchy> he was in that group when they were pushing for action in syria
[05:02:33] <SirFinkus> the whole gitmo thing is a clusterfuck, I don't know how you solve that
[05:02:50] <crutchy> they should just close it
[05:03:13] <crutchy> pardon the detainees, send them home, then never talk about it again
[05:03:46] <SirFinkus> apparently they're having trouble sending the detainees home, they're home countries don't want them
[05:03:54] <SirFinkus> their even
[05:04:21] <crutchy> maybe offer them US citizenship
[05:04:28] <crutchy> its not like they don't deserve it
[05:05:02] <SirFinkus> true, but some of them actually are scumbags, so shit is hard
[05:05:25] <crutchy> they can live in chicago with the other scumbags then
[05:05:48] <SirFinkus> can't give them a criminal trial because they've been tortured and denied lawyers
[05:06:15] <crutchy> yeah if they keep trying to villify them they always gunna hit brick walls
[05:06:15] <SirFinkus> screwed the pooch on those ones
[05:06:30] <crutchy> better to just assume they are innocent. until proven guilty
[05:06:40] <crutchy> works for everyone else
[05:06:57] <SirFinkus> fair nuff, but try getting support for that, even among the more liberal parts of our country
[05:07:46] <crutchy> yeah that part is tricky
[05:08:00] <SirFinkus> without the whole "human rights violation" part, I'd say give them trials, and if guilty, send them to civilian jails
[05:08:32] <SirFinkus> the "legal" thing to do would be to let them all loose, but that simply isn't going to happen
[05:09:26] <crutchy> i guess they could maybe set them free in cuba. simply send the military folks home, unlock everything and tell the cubans they can have their land back
[05:09:37] <crutchy> problems solvered :p
[05:09:48] <SirFinkus> you think cuba wants them?
[05:10:07] <crutchy> they might not, but at least the US could wipe its hands of them
[05:10:20] <SirFinkus> well, if cuba let us do that
[05:10:25] <crutchy> by mere fact that they happen to end up on cuban soil :p
[05:11:17] <crutchy> maybe do an exchange
[05:11:30] <crutchy> cuba takes prisoners in exchange for getting their land back
[05:11:36] <SirFinkus> that's pretty unlikely too, since Cuba is regarded by many as latin North Korea
[05:11:41] <SirFinkus> in our country
[05:11:50] <SirFinkus> meanwhile, still best buds with saudi arabia
[05:12:08] <crutchy> yeah thats kinda fucked
[05:12:10] <SirFinkus> which is at least as bad as Isis
[05:13:07] <SirFinkus> I won't take a politician's stand on Isis seriously if they also don't say the same things about Saudi Arabia
[05:14:02] <crutchy> i'm pretty sure rand paul is against the thing with saudi arabia, but being christian he's kinda pro israel which isn't much better
[05:14:42] <SirFinkus> wouldn't vote for paul, even if he wasn't a gimmick canidate
[05:15:01] <crutchy> i dunno if i would either. his old man was a legend, but those a big shoes to fill
[05:15:32] <crutchy> he might be the least of all the evils
[05:16:05] <SirFinkus> no chance in hell of getting the republican nomination, which is all that really matters
[05:16:11] <crutchy> true
[05:16:53] <crutchy> though i think once the trump madness dies down a bit he might have a chance at climbing back a bit
[05:17:03] <crutchy> i still doubt he would get the nomination though
[05:17:04] <SirFinkus> whoever wins, we lose, and by extension, the wold loses
[05:17:11] <SirFinkus> not a chance
[05:17:34] <SirFinkus> even if trump gets caught with his dick in a truck stop glory hole
[05:18:19] <crutchy> i wouldn't be surprised if china has a big say in US policy in the future. especially since it has more US dollars than anyone except maybe the Fed
[05:18:35] <crutchy> it could just buy off every candidate
[05:19:36] <crutchy> its probably why saudi arabia has a lot of influence
[05:19:49] <crutchy> cos it still has a shitton of US dollars too
[05:20:07] <crutchy> though i think with the oil slump its starting to burn through them
[05:31:12] <chromas> send them to detroit
[05:31:28] <chromas> (gitmo detainees)
[05:31:52] <chromas> sending them there would automatically make detroit a better place
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[11:09:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++ # bitches
[11:09:07] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1698
[11:09:31] <crutchy> coffee++ # on my last one for this fine saturday
[11:09:31] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1699
[11:11:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> tis a pretty fine saturday at that
[11:11:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;weather 74872
[11:11:31] <MrPlow> Today: Plenty of sunshine. High 74F. Winds NE at 5 to 10 mph. Tomorrow: Intervals of clouds and sunshine. High 74F. Winds NNE at 5 to 10 mph.
[11:18:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Discover How to Get Kids to Eat Their Vegetables - http://sylnt.us - parents-take-note
[11:19:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> deep fry them?
[11:23:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> the vegetables i mean not the kids
[11:23:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> though that'd do it too if you started with like just a finger.
[11:24:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> they'd eat raw onions to keep that from happening again.
[11:28:06] * TheMightyBuzzard goes to make up some catfish bait
[11:56:15] <chromas> Didn't one of you guys have a link to an appropriate cookbook for that?
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[22:08:40] <crutchy> http://www.smh.com.au
[22:08:43] <Schwifty> ^ 03Rugby World Cup 2015: England crash out as Wallabies send message
[22:08:49] <crutchy> yay! i guess
[22:09:01] <crutchy> not that i give a fuck about rugby
[22:09:24] * crutchy pokes Deucalion with a cheap plastic wallaby :p
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[23:29:15] <SirFinkus> damn fooshes
[23:34:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> 5lb, 4lb, and 3lb catfish today. also gave away 5-6 crappie to a guy and his kids who weren't catching shit
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