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[00:27:39] <cmn32480|travelin> 40 wings and a few beers goes a long way to giving me a full belly
[00:28:46] <BadCoderFinger> Sounds like it will, heh.
[00:28:48] <cmn32480|travelin> BadcoderFinger - Death Match tomorrow? what version of Doom?
[00:29:15] <BadCoderFinger> Ehwot?
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[00:29:31] <BadCoderFinger> Best nick I've seen all year!
[00:29:38] <cmn32480|travelin> oh death MARCH... I read deathmatch... and had vision of old Doom multiplayer
[00:29:45] * BadCoderFinger runs and hides from the Cacodemon.
[00:29:50] cmn32480|travelin is now known as cmn32480
[00:30:03] <BadCoderFinger> Hey cmn32480, how are you?
[00:30:11] <cmn32480> on the road
[00:30:12] <Cacodemon> if you haven't tried the Brutal Doom mod... well... then you need to try the Brutal Doom mod!
[00:30:23] <cmn32480> but I just ate my fill of all you cna eat wings at Hooters
[00:30:25] <Cacodemon> http://www.moddb.com
[00:30:26] <Schwifty> ^ 03Brutal Doom mod - Mod DB
[00:31:13] <BadCoderFinger> I spent way too many hours playing Doom and Doom II.
[00:31:51] <cmn32480> How's life treating you BadCoderFinger?
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[00:32:35] <cmn32480> didn't we all spend too much time playing Doom?
[00:32:44] <BadCoderFinger> Pretty good. Got past one deadline, but still on the hook through the end of the year. I'd rather have too much to do than too little, I don't idle well.
[00:32:51] <Cacodemon> you can't spend too much time playing doom
[00:33:04] <BadCoderFinger> Cacodemon: I know!
[00:33:32] <cmn32480> badcoderfinger cacodemon: AGREED!
[00:34:31] <Cacodemon> if you stop playing doom, the demons win!
[00:34:48] <cmn32480> they must be terrorists!
[00:34:50] <Cacodemon> wait a second... I think I have the wrong nick to make statements like that :)
[00:34:54] Cacodemon is now known as DoomGuy
[00:35:02] <cmn32480> ok spalls
[00:36:00] <DoomGuy> honestly, I won't be comparing Doom4 to Doom3 or 2 or 1... I'm gonna be comparing it BrutalDoom. It is the most over-the-top game I've played in... maybe ever?
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[00:36:28] <BadCoderFinger> I wanted to like Doom3.
[00:36:43] <DoomGuy> Doom 3 was bearable... in extremely small doses
[00:36:50] <DoomGuy> s/bearable/fun/
[00:36:50] <sedctl> <DoomGuy> Doom 3 was fun... in extremely small doses
[00:37:29] <DoomGuy> play one level a week and its great. It's only if you try to play it fast, like Doom, that it really loses its luster
[00:37:30] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, I have to agree.
[00:38:01] <cmn32480> the original Doom is still a faovirite
[00:38:07] <DoomGuy> its levels are still great in how ALIVE they are; there's lots of motion everywhere
[00:38:37] <DoomGuy> but the monster-closet thing really got repetitive fast
[00:39:04] DoomGuy is now known as DoubleBarreldShotgun
[00:39:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hackers Restore Playstation TV Compatibility That Was Blocked by Sony - http://sylnt.us - happy-gamers
[00:40:00] <DoubleBarreldShotgun> all three happy gamers that actually bought a playstationtv :)
[00:40:34] <BadCoderFinger> Wow.
[00:41:11] <DoubleBarreldShotgun> I know, its awesome, innit?
[00:41:18] <DoubleBarreldShotgun> (what are we talking about?)
[00:41:35] <BadCoderFinger> Well, that is something for those three basement dwellers.
[00:41:49] <cmn32480> Sony just keeps screwing themselves....
[00:41:55] <BadCoderFinger> No kidding.
[00:42:00] <DoubleBarreldShotgun> doesn't look that way
[00:42:12] <DoubleBarreldShotgun> they keep screwing their USERS but they end up being more and more profitable :)
[00:42:44] <cmn32480> yes...that's what I meant
[00:43:34] * BadCoderFinger makes a note to self: Document Sony's customer hostile attitude is profitable.
[00:45:30] <cmn32480> so is Comcast, verizon, AT&T....
[00:45:40] <cmn32480> the US government
[00:46:01] <BadCoderFinger> Well dang. At least they can't patent their business model.
[00:46:18] <cmn32480> mocrosoft
[00:46:31] <cmn32480> apple
[00:50:25] <DoubleBarreldShotgun> Dice
[00:50:52] <DoubleBarreldShotgun> http://money.cnn.com
[00:50:53] <Schwifty> ^ 03Exclusive: Microsoft exec responds to Windows 10 privacy backlash - Sep. 28, 2015
[00:52:11] <BadCoderFinger> I think Dice may be the exception there.
[00:52:30] <DoubleBarreldShotgun> well, the profitable bit anyway
[00:52:41] <BadCoderFinger> Definitely.
[00:53:02] <BadCoderFinger> Didn't take them long to start trying to sell off the old site.
[00:53:16] <cmn32480> when did that happen?
[00:53:32] <cmn32480> I try to avoid any news related to SD
[00:53:40] <DoubleBarreldShotgun> as far as I can tell, about 20 minutes after they bought it :)
[00:53:41] <BadCoderFinger> They've been shopping it for a while.
[00:53:48] <cmn32480> interesting
[00:54:06] <cmn32480> not surprised... they figured out that the ad revenue is only barely covering the hosting costs
[00:54:14] <DoubleBarreldShotgun> but there was a news story around... February?... I think where they announced it more publically
[00:54:26] <BadCoderFinger> "We need moar web-two-oh!"
[00:54:27] <DoubleBarreldShotgun> ads? on the internet?
[00:54:49] <DoubleBarreldShotgun> (and on a site aimed at techies?)
[00:55:38] <DoubleBarreldShotgun> that's gotta be like trying to sell lottery tickets to billionaires
[00:57:20] <DoubleBarreldShotgun> (Ars also has a writeup about the Microsoft statement on win10/privacy... http://arstechnica.com )
[00:57:21] <Schwifty> ^ 03Microsoft reaffirms privacy commitment, but Windows will keep collecting data | Ars Technica
[01:07:30] <BadCoderFinger> Hey Bytram
[01:07:37] <Bytram> BadCoderFinger: g'day!
[01:08:12] * DoubleBarreldShotgun feels a strange urge to crack open a Fosters and throw another shrimp on the barbie
[01:08:35] <Bytram> appreciate the thought, but no thanks!
[01:08:48] <takyon> i'm here
[01:11:17] <Bytram> not me!
[01:11:18] <Bytram> ;)
[01:12:26] <takyon> fosters?
[01:12:33] <takyon> I'd rather reach for a cold and refreshing
[01:12:35] <takyon> Steel Reserve
[01:13:24] * Bytram shudders
[01:13:44] <takyon> Bytram knows
[01:16:14] <Bytram> not from first hand experience, but from some acquaintances' telling of their experiences, it sounds rather unpalatable.
[01:16:30] <takyon> do you know the factoid
[01:18:56] <Bytram> I guess not, as I do not understand your query!
[01:19:02] <takyon> http://newsfeed.time.com
[01:19:03] <Schwifty> ^ 03Budweiser Drinkers Are Most Likely to End Up in Emergency Room | TIME.com
[01:19:12] <takyon> "Now, a new study has attempted to find which types of alcoholic beverage are most likely to land drinkers in the emergency room."
[01:19:22] <takyon> "According to the study, Steel Reserve Malt Liquor came in second to Budweiser, but proportionally, it blew the brand out of the water. Steel Reserve Malt Liquor makes up .8% of the beer market, but a whopping 14.7% of the ER market, only .3% less than Budweiser."
[01:20:51] <BadCoderFinger> Good grief.
[01:20:58] <BadCoderFinger> "Things to avoid..."
[01:21:23] <takyon> It's possible to use steel reserve responsibly
[01:21:25] <Bytram> from what I've heard, steel reserve has the highest alcoholic content at the lowest price... booze of choice for those who can't stop and cant afford anything else.
[01:21:28] <takyon> for example give it somebody else
[01:22:15] <BadCoderFinger> Or use it to start a fire...
[01:22:30] <takyon> just drink it and you'll become an arsonist
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[01:23:47] <Bytram> I'm waiting for some enterprising individual to realize they could put it in a freezer to get the water ice out of it and end up with an even stronger brew
[01:24:44] <takyon> if you're gonna go that route, you might as well buy some 180 proof grain alcohol
[01:24:54] <takyon> mix it with apple juice
[01:25:25] <Bytram> and spoil the apple juice?
[01:25:47] <takyon> apple cider mixed with grain alcohol tastes amazing
[01:25:54] <takyon> just get your ratio right
[01:30:04] <Bytram> aisle tech your whirred four hit.
[01:30:35] * Bytram waits for THAT one to sink in. =)
[01:34:05] <takyon> my endorsement is absolute
[01:34:13] <takyon> https://www.karouncheese.com
[01:41:24] <mrcoolbp> hehe
[01:45:38] <SirFinkus> I tried a sip of steel reserve, it's about a disgusting as you'd think
[01:46:19] <Gravis> i find it strange that humans drink poison on purpose
[01:46:37] <SirFinkus> if you're going that route, spring for some low end fortified wine
[01:47:11] <SirFinkus> http://www.bumwine.com a guide
[01:47:12] <Schwifty> ^ 03BumWine.com
[01:47:35] <Gravis> SirFinkus: the human body is incapable of processing alcohol. it's a poison.
[01:48:03] <Gravis> you can have the finest wine and it's still poison.
[01:48:59] <Bytram> well, at high enough doses, even water can kill.
[01:49:15] <SirFinkus> buckfast is too high end for bumwine.com
[01:49:27] <SirFinkus> alcohol is pretty neat
[01:49:37] <Gravis> Bytram: the human body can use water, it cannot use alcohol in any capacity.
[01:49:40] <Bytram> at lower doses, IIRC, the body *can* metabolize it, but the rate is only so fast and it is possible to consume alcohol faster that the body can metabolize it and then one can get alcohol poisoning.
[01:50:04] <Bytram> I could be mistaken on the metabolization poijnt, however.
[01:50:14] <Gravis> you are
[01:50:17] <Bytram> would appreciate a linky if so
[01:50:19] <takyon> I notice manischewitz isn't on the site, but is mentioned on the guestbook
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[01:50:32] * Bytram needs to prepare dinner; back in a few minutes
[01:51:29] <Silverly> coffee++
[01:51:29] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1681
[01:52:23] <Silverly> i desparely need an espresso machine in my house
[01:52:35] <Silverly> drinking instant for this week is terrible
[01:53:06] <Gravis> Bytram: http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov
[01:53:11] <takyon> I haven't had caffeine in days
[01:53:42] <BadCoderFinger> Instant coffee? That's against almost every religion!
[01:54:18] <Gravis> Bytram: very technical: http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov
[01:54:35] <cmn32480> coffee++
[01:54:35] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1682
[01:55:35] <cmn32480> instant coffee? you poor bastard. my sympathies
[01:55:58] <takyon> http://www.anandtech.com
[01:55:59] <Schwifty> ^ 03Apple’s A9 SoC Is Dual Sourced From Samsung TSMC
[01:57:57] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[01:57:57] <Schwifty> ^ 03Apple in eyebrow-raising threesome with TSMC, Samsung for iPhone 6S • The Register
[02:00:05] <Bytram> Gravis: /me is downloading them now... will prolly take awhile to read 'em =)
[02:00:33] <Gravis> takyon: you are better off not consuming caffeine
[02:00:49] <takyon> yeah I feel a little better
[02:01:33] <cmn32480> caffine, like all things, is ok in moderation
[02:01:39] <Gravis> takyon: ok... now that you are better, be sure to carry a nailgun with you so that you can quickly put nails into the hearts of those who may try to tempt you. ;P
[02:01:49] <Gravis> cmn32480: not really.
[02:01:56] <cmn32480> the problem is that people like me don't drink caffine in moderation... we drink it by the bucketload
[02:02:07] <takyon> I didn't drink coffee, but I drank a lot of iced tea
[02:02:25] <Gravis> i drink a lot of water. :)
[02:02:44] <cmn32480> drinking water is good for you
[02:02:48] <BadCoderFinger> My caffeine for the day is two cups of black tea. So not much caffeine.
[02:02:59] <Gravis> cmn32480: as long as it's not contaminated.
[02:03:10] <cmn32480> yes gravis
[02:03:35] <Gravis> stupid fracking. >:(((
[02:03:41] <cmn32480> yup
[02:04:24] <Gravis> it's ruining the land. :(((((
[02:04:42] <Gravis> and especially the waters
[02:05:25] <Silverly> australia is so good, since the coffee is amazing
[02:05:34] <BadCoderFinger> But hey, it's great for the economy. What do you mean, nobody is left to buy our energy products?
[02:05:42] <Silverly> but its so hard to travel now since most of the world's coffee is terrible :P
[02:06:03] <Gravis> Silverly: dont drink coffee
[02:06:17] <Silverly> thats what i ended up doing
[02:06:26] * DoubleBarreldShotgun shops for a new phone
[02:06:35] <Silverly> gotta go cold turkey :P
[02:06:48] <Gravis> DoubleBarreldShotgun: let me guess, you shot your phone again.
[02:06:48] <Silverly> DoubleBarreldShotgun, One Plus two?
[02:06:59] <BadCoderFinger> Now that's a lot of headaches. Qutting caffeine cold turkey, ouch.
[02:07:03] * DoubleBarreldShotgun shops for a new cheap phone
[02:07:37] <Gravis> DoubleBarreldShotgun: do you want a phone or do you want a mobile computer?
[02:08:11] <takyon> they're the same thing
[02:08:16] * DoubleBarreldShotgun shops for a new cheap phone that works with his cheap-ass pay-as-you-go service provider
[02:08:23] <Gravis> takyon: nope.
[02:08:26] <takyon> that limits the field
[02:08:59] <Gravis> DoubleBarreldShotgun: so.... you have a severe aversion to first person speaking...
[02:09:16] <Gravis> DoubleBarreldShotgun: are you Trump? ;)
[02:09:18] <BadCoderFinger> Gravis: Don't feed his ego!
[02:09:22] * DoubleBarreldShotgun nods, "Indeed it does. And unfortunately, the cheap restriction rules out Apple..."
[02:09:39] <BadCoderFinger> More Gollum that Trump, but still...
[02:09:56] <Gravis> oh, so he is a piece of shit.
[02:10:14] <takyon> speaking of Trump, how about his new tax plan
[02:10:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apple Has Trouble in Russia Now for Homosexual Promotion - http://sylnt.us - naughty-emoji!
[02:17:30] DoubleBarreldShotgun is now known as TheTrumpster
[02:21:28] <BadCoderFinger> TheTrumpster: Shouldn't that be TheTrumpet?
[02:22:23] <TheTrumpster> are you implying I'm a blowhard who likes to toot his own horn?
[02:23:33] <cmn32480> yes, basically that is what most of America is saying
[02:26:08] <TheTrumpster> surely not; America loves The Trumpster!
[02:26:37] <BadCoderFinger> America does love bad entertainment.
[02:29:16] <TheTrumpster> no, America is just tired of the same old bullshit our politicians keep spouting
[02:29:26] <TheTrumpster> they're ready for some BRAND NEW bullshit :)
[02:31:00] <BadCoderFinger> Well, I'm certain you've got that market cornered.
[02:31:14] <BadCoderFinger> "Bring in the BRAND NEW COWS!"
[02:32:15] <BadCoderFinger> Well, boy cows. Otherwise it's not 100% bullshit.
[02:33:56] <Bytram> Gravis: from the first doc you linked to, on the labeled page 7, under "LIVER DAMAGE THAT AFFECTS THE BRAIN" I see: "The liver breaks down alcohol--and the toxins it releases." Also, on the page labeled page 16, at the very top of the page, it states "These enzymes, as well as acetaldehyde--a substance produced from metabolizing, or breaking down the alcohol--are harmful to the pancreas." (I'm still reading)
[02:34:21] <Bytram> but from those two sentences it appears that your statement that the body cannot metabolize alcohol seems to be inerror.
[02:34:50] <Gravis> Bytram: it cannot be broken down entirely but it can be broken down partially
[02:35:01] <Bytram> agreed.
[02:35:13] <Bytram> but to say it cannot be broken down at all, that was what I took exception to.
[02:35:19] <Bytram> seems we are in agreement, then.
[02:35:45] <Gravis> i didn't say it couldn't be broken down at all
[02:36:17] <Gravis> even a chainsaw can take apart a car... dont completely but it can.
[02:36:24] <takyon> come on guys
[02:36:24] <Gravis> -dont+not
[02:36:29] <takyon> let's make america great again
[02:37:01] <Gravis> takyon: no! slavery is not an option!
[02:37:19] <takyon> mental slavery is fun and ez
[02:37:37] <crutchy> i'm pretty sure slavery was abolished long before america became an industrial powerhouse
[02:38:22] <crutchy> some people just confuse voluntary employment with slavery
[02:39:08] <Bytram> Gravis: http://logs.sylnt.us "<Gravis> Bytram: the human body can use water, it cannot use alcohol in any capacity."
[02:39:09] <Schwifty> ^ 03#Soylent | Logs for 2015-09-29 ( http://logs.sylnt.us )
[02:39:34] <Gravis> crutchy: "voluntary employment or die"
[02:40:04] <crutchy> Gravis, that's what people confuse
[02:40:22] <Gravis> crutchy: because farming is still an option!
[02:40:22] <crutchy> apparently growing your own food or starting your own business is illegal to some
[02:40:52] <Gravis> crutchy: how am i going to get a farm?
[02:40:56] <BadCoderFinger> I grew tomatos. That's probably grounds for execution.
[02:41:08] <Gravis> crutchy: i have no money
[02:41:12] <crutchy> apparently they also think you need a farm to grow food
[02:41:15] <crutchy> :/
[02:41:34] <Gravis> crutchy: then you are suggesting i live off of wild fruit?
[02:41:54] <BadCoderFinger> And hydroponics.
[02:41:55] <crutchy> no i suggest you do some research into growing your own food :p
[02:42:13] <crutchy> or mooch off uncle sam :p
[02:42:59] <BadCoderFinger> Uncle Sam has deep pockets, if you're a defense contractor. Can the vegetables be re-classified as weapons grade?
[02:43:08] <BadCoderFinger> Food fights can be harmful.
[02:43:14] <crutchy> cherry bombs :D
[02:43:23] <crutchy> made from real cherries
[02:43:58] <Bytram> Gravis: so, I took issue to your statement "the human body is incapable of processing alcohol. it's a poison." -- it IS capable of processing alcohol, it can even metabolize it, but there are some nasty byproducts, too. I stand by my assertion: "at lower doses, IIRC, the body *can* metabolize it, but the rate is only so fast and it is possible to consume alcohol faster that the body can metabolize it and then one can get alcohol
[02:43:58] <Bytram> poisoning."
[02:44:10] <Gravis> Bytram: it is a poison
[02:44:21] <crutchy> Bytram, maybe it means you just piss most of it out
[02:44:23] <Bytram> I did NOT say it wasn't!
[02:44:27] <crutchy> without "processing it"
[02:44:43] <Gravis> Bytram: fantastic, so we agree, it's dumb to drink poisons
[02:45:09] <Bytram> in fact, I stated it right in the part I quoted above! "it is possible to consume alcohol faster that the body can metabolize it and then one can get alcohol poisoning."
[02:45:30] <crutchy> Gravis, the water you drink or food you eat (esp if you like fish) could be killing you more than alcohol could
[02:45:54] <Gravis> crutchy: indeed they could... but they are not
[02:45:54] <Bytram> I did not say that and I disagree, as there have been showing that, for *some* people, a small amount of alcohol can be beneficial, and that was in the first pdf that you linked to.
[02:46:14] <Gravis> and no, i dont eat fish because the mercury content is beyond safe levels
[02:46:36] <crutchy> apparently a glass of red can help blood pressure
[02:46:38] <crutchy> or something
[02:46:53] * crutchy drinks a bit of red occasionally
[02:46:53] <cmn32480> 12oz of beer can keep me from killing people
[02:46:54] <JamesNZ> Red blood?
[02:47:13] <cmn32480> red whine
[02:47:30] <JamesNZ> Aw.
[02:47:33] <Gravis> cmn32480: this is what i'm talking about! it's screwing up our fine society! :P
[02:47:48] <Bytram> on the page labeled page "2": "On the flip side, some people actually may benefit from drinking alcohol in small quantities."
[02:47:59] <cmn32480> by preventing me from killing the idiots?
[02:47:59] <crutchy> cmn32480, in that case beer should be mandatory OH&S measure!
[02:48:13] <Gravis> cmn32480: btw, using alcohol as a coping mechanism is called alcoholism! :D
[02:48:18] <Bytram> note the use of the words "some people" and "small quantities"
[02:48:50] <takyon> https://en.wikipedia.org
[02:48:51] <Schwifty> ^ 03Wiki: Long-term effects of alcohol consumption ( https://en.wikipedia.org )
[02:48:52] <crutchy> using electricity should be called alectricitism
[02:48:57] <cmn32480> would having a cup of tea before bed be a coping mechanism as well?
[02:49:07] <Gravis> Bytram: "some people" can also see ultraviolet light but that doesn't mean i say people can
[02:49:21] <Bytram> Gravis: no, it is not. it is a possible *symptom* of alcoholism. Alcoholism is the inability, when drinking, to moderate one's consumption, and, when not drinking, being unable to remain stopped.
[02:49:52] <Gravis> admission is the first step to recovery!
[02:50:25] <BadCoderFinger> You know the difference between an alcoholic and a drunk? A drunk doesn't have to attend all those meetings.
[02:50:37] <Bytram> it's also the first step to being hospitalized -- they won't let you in without going through admissions! =)
[02:50:43] <Gravis> BadCoderFinger: lulz
[02:51:08] <crutchy> Gravis, if you admit you are a socialist then you can begin the long hard road to getting help with your condition :D
[02:51:47] <Bytram> 'tis late for me, all, and I've got a bunch of stuff to do before I sleep and I've got a full day tomorrow.
[02:51:49] <Gravis> crutchy: socialist? poppycock!
[02:51:57] <Gravis> Bytram: night
[02:51:59] <crutchy> denial is an ugly thing
[02:52:03] <Bytram> geotti_away: g'night!
[02:52:03] <cmn32480> ~gnight bytram
[02:52:05] * exec spontaneously hurls a pair of used panties full of red cordial at bytram
[02:52:14] <Bytram> crutchy: You don't say?
[02:52:15] <Gravis> crutchy: i think it's a fine looking river
[02:52:29] <crutchy> its literally full of shit
[02:52:33] <Bytram> cmn32480: and a fine g'night to you, too, fine sir!
[02:52:44] <Gravis> crutchy: lolwut
[02:52:45] <cmn32480> talk to you tomorrow from the next hotel Bytram
[02:52:50] <Bytram> crutchy: and a fine afternoon to you, too!
[02:52:53] <Bytram> cmn32480: k
[02:53:31] <crutchy> ~g'night Bytram|away o/
[02:53:32] * exec dexterously blows a spoon of NCommander at Bytram|away o/
[02:54:02] <Gravis> that sounds gross
[02:54:14] <cmn32480> yes, I woudl agree
[02:54:20] <crutchy> yeah i think i'm inclined to agree with that too
[02:54:25] <crutchy> execd--
[02:54:25] <Bender> karma - execd: -1
[02:54:27] <crutchy> derp
[02:54:29] <crutchy> exec--
[02:54:29] <Bender> karma - exec: 28
[02:54:43] <Bytram|away> Gravis: a fine g'night to you, too. /me noticed that g<tab> grabbed the wrong nick. :P
[02:54:45] <Bytram|away> !uid
[02:54:45] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5887, owned by dierdorf
[02:54:59] <Bytram|away> seems we've been stuck there for a while.
[02:55:05] <Gravis> Bytram|away: later bro :)
[02:55:05] <cmn32480> 2 days
[02:55:11] <Bytram|away> o'rly?
[02:55:14] <cmn32480> according to the stats
[02:55:19] <Bytram|away> k
[02:55:25] <cmn32480> I believe
[02:55:32] <Gravis> in magic
[02:55:37] <Gravis> cmn32480: magic isn't real
[02:55:47] <Gravis> cmn32480: stop believing in magic
[02:55:57] <Gravis> and spelling
[02:55:59] <Bytram|away> https://soylentnews.org
[02:56:34] <cmn32480> today woudl be the third day w/ no new users
[02:56:45] * cmn32480 goes to make a sockpuppet
[02:57:44] <BadCoderFinger> Spalls! Quick, make a dummy account for Donald Trump!
[02:58:02] <Bytram|away> trying that link with uid=5888 gave me "500 Internal Server Error"s
[02:58:04] <Bytram|away> :/
[02:58:10] <Bytram|away> ok, this time for sure!
[02:58:15] <Bytram|away> l8rs
[02:58:42] <cmn32480> DumbaldTrump
[03:00:46] <BadCoderFinger> From the truth-in-names-department
[03:01:15] <crutchy> BadCoderFinger, s/truth-in-names/wtf-am-i-smoking/
[03:01:15] <sedctl> <crutchy> <BadCoderFinger> From the wtf-am-i-smoking-department
[03:01:33] <BadCoderFinger> Aw.
[03:02:36] <crutchy> :p
[03:08:53] <BadCoderFinger> Alright guys, I'm off. Catch you tomorrow!
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[03:18:53] <cmn32480> bedtime. night everybody!
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[04:41:48] * Deucalion wanders around clearing up, putting the furniture straight, restocking the bar and cleaning the bogs. How the hell does someone vomit into a light fitting 20 ft above the floor? Bring on the exorcist.....
[04:46:57] * mrcoolbp cleaned up the whole house today. Felt great!
[04:51:47] <Deucalion> I think I'd need a skip to clean my place properly.... I think I may need an autumn clear out, I may suffocate if I wait for the spring clean.
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[07:17:43] <JamesNZ> latex++
[07:17:43] <Bender> karma - latex: 40
[07:17:44] <JamesNZ> latex++
[07:17:44] <Bender> karma - latex: 41
[07:17:45] <JamesNZ> latex++
[07:17:45] <Bender> karma - latex: 42
[07:18:03] <Silverly> latex++
[07:18:03] <Bender> karma - latex: 43
[07:18:13] <Silverly> got your back
[07:18:33] <JamesNZ> \o/
[07:18:51] <Silverly> whats with the latex love
[07:19:02] <Silverly> not like its not unwarranted
[07:19:57] <JamesNZ> I got extra marks on an assignment just for using it :D
[07:20:49] <Silverly> haha
[07:20:50] <Silverly> sick
[07:21:05] <Silverly> have you heard of literate programming?
[07:21:27] <Silverly> you write code + latex like a story
[07:21:30] <JamesNZ> Yep, never tried it though.
[07:21:45] <Silverly> and then at the end its comes out of as a binary and a paper
[07:21:52] <Silverly> oh man, its fanatasic
[07:22:24] <JamesNZ> Is CWEB the language for that?
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[07:22:32] <Silverly> yep
[07:22:51] <JamesNZ> Hmm, I should give it a go.
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[08:05:57] <Ethanol-fueled> 'Sup.
[08:06:57] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[08:06:57] <Schwifty> ^✓ 03NES Guerrilla War Ending - YouTube
[08:07:04] <Ethanol-fueled> COMMUNISM.
[08:07:24] <Ethanol-fueled> And Americans were sold and played this game.
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[08:12:49] <Ethanol-fueled> POOF
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[13:09:20] <crutchy> regarding http://wiki.soylentnews.org i don't think its worth mentioning 1.1.1
[13:09:21] <Schwifty> ^ 03Wiki: DMCACompliance ( http://wiki.soylentnews.org )
[13:09:40] <crutchy> in case of comments and submissions, users can't delete them anyway
[13:09:54] <crutchy> just go straight to 1.1.2
[13:10:34] <crutchy> maybe email the user notifying them of this action, and to alert them of their potential infringement so they can be more careful next time
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[13:47:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> argh! wireless went out on my laptop. now all i got to internet with is a WINDOWS tablet or my phone!
[13:48:58] <crutchy> wtf!? why do you even *have* a windows tablet lol
[13:49:05] <janrinok> that means just the phone then :)
[13:49:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> got given to me. gonna see if it'll run linux when i get home.
[13:49:53] <crutchy> tmb, just buy a 50m reel of cat6 :D
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[13:50:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> shit, i forgot all about wired! yer my hero, crutchy.
[13:50:49] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard: I note that you didn't receive much sympathy - just ridicule for having a windows tablet :-)
[13:51:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, as is proper.
[13:51:16] <janrinok> lol
[13:53:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> right, i'm off in search of cat5
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[17:21:58] <SirFinkus> snowden is on twitter, and he's making me groan
[17:22:01] <SirFinkus> ".@neiltyson Hero, traitor -- I'm just a citizen with a voice. [1/2]"
[17:24:13] <AndyTheAbsurd> You're not going to include the [2/2]?
[17:24:18] <AndyTheAbsurd> ".@neiltyson, @DanielEllsberg told me #labels never stopped progress. Neither in 1776 nor today. [2/2]"
[17:24:52] <SirFinkus> that wasn't posted yet :)
[17:24:57] <SirFinkus> but I groaned
[17:25:32] <SirFinkus> seems like the opening monologue in a shitty action movie
[17:26:35] <AndyTheAbsurd> well, it's like his (counts...) fifth tweet.
[17:26:53] <SirFinkus> it's like whenever Greenwald gets interviewed and he always inflects his voice like he's asking a question
[18:22:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scotland and Ireland Consider a Linked Renewable Energy Future - http://sylnt.us - loch-ness-monster-power-is-next
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[18:37:05] <janrinok> cmn32480: !!
[18:37:12] <cmn32480> janrinok !!
[18:37:15] <cmn32480> lunch break
[18:37:30] <cmn32480> and a mountain dew
[18:38:15] <cmn32480> customer had a mtg today. box lunches for all
[18:38:50] <cmn32480> means i don't hnave to drive 10 miles to get a decent(?) lunch
[18:39:00] <janrinok> I was chatting to you on #ed
[18:39:08] <janrinok> then I realised you were here
[18:39:17] <cmn32480> want me to stay here or go there?
[18:39:28] <janrinok> don't mind either way
[18:39:32] <cmn32480> I have my sound turned off s as not to disturb the cubicle farm
[18:39:38] <janrinok> good morning so far?
[18:39:48] <cmn32480> and no, there was no scrapple with lunch or breakfast
[18:39:54] <cmn32480> so far so good
[18:39:55] <janrinok> I could never work in such a place
[18:40:04] <cmn32480> now I get to fix the 5gHz spectrum.
[18:40:16] <janrinok> what - all of it?
[18:40:17] <cmn32480> really nice people
[18:40:43] <cmn32480> not all of it... just the part that is coming from their access points
[18:41:03] <janrinok> ah, cos we've got lots of 5Ghz here too
[18:41:14] <janrinok> and all the other Ghz as well
[18:41:19] <cmn32480> I don't think they wnat me to fix it outside their walls
[18:41:34] <janrinok> fair enough - it keeps the bill down
[18:41:44] <cmn32480> exactly
[18:42:19] <cmn32480> the cinsultant who put this in has been a bit less than responsize on making the necessary changes. it has been rather hilarious
[18:42:59] <cmn32480> I think he sees that I turned off more than 25% of the inffrastructure he put in.... and knows that he has completely shown his ass on this job
[18:43:24] <janrinok> any lots of brownie points for yourself?
[18:43:41] <cmn32480> i don't really need brownie points at this particular customer
[18:43:55] <janrinok> can never have too many in the bank though
[18:44:06] <cmn32480> this was the only distribution center in Mexico and the US that we didn't handle the wireless for.
[18:44:06] <janrinok> good words might get back to your boss
[18:44:29] <janrinok> that speaks volumes
[18:44:39] <cmn32480> uh huh
[18:45:17] <cmn32480> they told me to get my passport all shiny too... 'cuz they are gonna send me to Canadia
[18:45:31] <janrinok> which bit - it is a big place
[18:45:32] <cmn32480> I always wanted to visit the 51st state!
[18:45:45] <cmn32480> dunno. bet they have 2 or 3 DCs
[18:45:47] <janrinok> you'll be an instant success ...
[18:46:08] <cmn32480> I'll bring my hockey stick for protection
[18:46:26] <janrinok> and watch out for the moose
[18:46:37] <cmn32480> my luck, they are gonna want to do it in February or somethign
[18:46:58] <janrinok> go somewhere with hills and try to get some ski-ing in
[18:47:22] <cmn32480> that woudl require me to be in a shape other than round, woudln't it?
[18:47:39] <janrinok> are you ever given the chance for J to join you and stay in a place a day or two longer?
[18:48:02] <cmn32480> yes.. . that is one of the things that we are talking about doing when I get to go to good places
[18:48:15] * janrinok wonders if rolling downhill in snow will ever catch on
[18:48:17] <cmn32480> the place I am in now, is NOT a particularly fun spot
[18:48:25] <janrinok> ah, OK
[18:48:34] * cmn32480 wonders if his toboggan will fit in a suitcase
[18:49:09] <janrinok> and you don't get sent to Hawaii very often ...
[18:49:23] <cmn32480> nope... I almost did last year
[18:49:45] <janrinok> I almost went to the moon, and almost won the lottery
[18:49:59] <janrinok> just not close enough
[18:50:31] <cmn32480> almost to the moon? you were on apollo 13?
[18:50:38] <janrinok> almost
[18:50:52] <janrinok> I was late and they said they would wait, but didn't
[18:51:02] <cmn32480> those bastards
[18:51:04] <janrinok> damned car wouldn't start
[18:51:20] <cmn32480> you try putting the steering wheel on the correct side?
[18:51:49] <janrinok> as for the lottery, I had a ticket - my number almost came up but they picked 6 different ones instead
[18:52:09] <cmn32480> or you couldn't turn the crank fast enough?
[18:52:09] <janrinok> I live in Fr - steering wheel is the same side as yours
[18:52:45] <janrinok> mind you - the way the Fr drive, it doesn't matter which side the wheel is on,
[18:53:05] <cmn32480> lol
[18:53:11] <cmn32480> Americans too
[18:53:31] <janrinok> a bit like wacky races but without the laughs
[18:53:40] <cmn32480> but it would confuse the shit out of people to give the option
[18:54:52] <janrinok> surprisingly, I've always used cars in the UK and Europe with about equal frequency - so I'm not thrown by changing sides. I'm just a crap driver
[18:55:22] <cmn32480> hehe
[18:55:28] <cmn32480> 2nded all your stories
[18:55:46] <janrinok> thx - that was quick
[18:56:21] <janrinok> I hope another ed turns up in the next few days - I'm not sure how long we can keep this up :-)
[18:57:43] <janrinok> what's in your lunch box?
[18:58:28] <cmn32480> nothing
[18:58:31] <cmn32480> empty
[18:58:39] <janrinok> what was in it?
[18:58:46] <cmn32480> ahhhh
[18:58:48] <cmn32480> different question
[18:59:00] <cmn32480> chicken ceasar wrap
[18:59:02] <cmn32480> pickle
[18:59:04] <janrinok> hopefully it will elicit a different answer
[18:59:06] <cmn32480> fruit cup
[18:59:29] <cmn32480> bbq potato chips
[18:59:44] <cmn32480> and 2 oatmeal raisin cookies
[18:59:51] <cmn32480> fork
[18:59:53] <cmn32480> knife
[18:59:54] <cmn32480> spoon
[18:59:56] <cmn32480> napkin
[18:59:59] <cmn32480> wet wipes
[19:00:00] <cmn32480> salt
[19:00:02] <cmn32480> pepper
[19:00:05] <cmn32480> mustard
[19:00:07] <cmn32480> maoy
[19:00:12] <janrinok> have you eaten the kfs and napkin, or are you on a diet?
[19:00:14] <cmn32480> *mayo
[19:00:22] <cmn32480> <burp>
[19:00:42] <cmn32480> they prickled a littel going down... but good other swise
[19:00:54] <cmn32480> not so sure how they will come out, however
[19:01:24] <janrinok> at least the napkin will make a clean job of it
[19:02:27] <cmn32480> that was the tastiest part
[19:02:36] <cmn32480> had the bits that I had wiped off my beard
[19:02:48] <cmn32480> it was like a smorgasboard of what I'd had for lunch
[19:02:57] <janrinok> hehehe
[19:03:23] <janrinok> did you find anything left over from the Celtic Festival?
[19:03:33] <cmn32480> no.
[19:03:40] <cmn32480> that all washed out in the shower...
[19:03:56] <cmn32480> dear god.... we jsut got a reume from a guy with an aol.com email address
[19:04:01] <cmn32480> *resume
[19:04:16] <janrinok> well it suggests that he might have some experience then
[19:04:28] <janrinok> but not necessarily good experience
[19:04:28] <cmn32480> you familiar with aol?
[19:04:40] <janrinok> ninja'd ?
[19:04:59] <cmn32480> no
[19:05:12] <cmn32480> AOL = America On-Line
[19:05:13] <janrinok> yep, got a huge set of aol place mats :)
[19:05:23] <janrinok> it was all over Europe too
[19:05:27] <cmn32480> coasters... good!
[19:05:37] <cmn32480> really? I dind't know htat
[19:05:46] <cmn32480> musta been seriously long distance
[19:05:52] <janrinok> handy for hanging up around fruit trees to keep the birds away
[19:06:04] <cmn32480> hehehe
[19:06:15] <janrinok> ... and not much else
[19:07:07] <cmn32480> geesh
[19:07:14] <cmn32480> these guys had 47 AP's.
[19:07:23] <cmn32480> I'm leaving 30 up and running
[19:07:46] <janrinok> had the place covered then
[19:08:00] <cmn32480> too much
[19:08:16] <janrinok> lots of same channel interference?
[19:08:50] <cmn32480> https://community.spiceworks.com
[19:08:51] <Schwifty> ^ 03Application Error
[19:08:54] <cmn32480> light reading
[19:09:21] <cmn32480> you might recognize the guy who wrote it
[19:09:45] <janrinok> never heard of him!
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[19:10:05] <jimbojones> me neither
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[19:10:42] <janrinok> we need to get out more
[19:10:48] <cmn32480> I am out
[19:11:00] <cmn32480> just at a custoemr site.... where I am supposed to be working
[19:11:10] <janrinok> well, in your case, perhaps you ought to try staying in a bit
[19:11:46] <cmn32480> that'd likely reesult in more children
[19:11:52] <cmn32480> we dont' want that!
[19:11:59] <janrinok> Arthur has just found 558 stories just from today!
[19:12:10] * cmn32480 writes a note to call the doctor
[19:12:18] <cmn32480> hmmmmm.... nagger si still there
[19:13:04] <janrinok> I think the limit is 15 now, not 20, but I'm not sure. I was looking at some code the other night, but what do I know...
[19:13:50] <cmn32480> still 20
[19:14:00] <janrinok> we are good in the queues for at least 15 hours, so we should get some more subs in soon
[19:14:43] <janrinok> it will do the usual trick of slowing down on Thursday and almost drying up on Friday
[19:14:58] <cmn32480> I know 'cuz every time a I drain the queue from above 20 it tuens from a "flock of undead meal worms" to "ther are only 19 subs in the queue, get on it slackers!"
[19:15:05] <cmn32480> at 19
[19:15:16] <cmn32480> yup
[19:15:42] <janrinok> we used to panic when it went below 30, and didn't feel comfortable until it went a bit higher than that
[19:17:05] <cmn32480> now we fire up Arthur if it gets below 10... and heed the words of emblazoned upon the cover of the "Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy" - "DON'T PANIC"
[19:18:26] <janrinok> Arthur is getting quite good at finding stuff, the problem now is managing the stories easily. I'll have to build in a browser interface similar to the existing subs/story views
[19:21:01] <cmn32480> are we thinking of folding Arthur inot the actual site code?
[19:21:27] <janrinok> maybe eventually, at the moment it is still very much WIP
[19:22:21] <janrinok> it still needs human intervention - it can't tell good stories from bad, so we can't automate it too much
[19:23:04] <janrinok> but there is no reason why each ed can't eventually have a copy and sub stories was and when they want to
[19:23:29] <janrinok> in fact, anyone in the community would be able to have a copy once it is in a decent enough form
[19:23:31] <cmn32480> that's a touch scary
[19:23:48] <cmn32480> we'd need to turn off the autosub feature
[19:24:10] <cmn32480> s/we'd/you'ld/
[19:24:10] <sedctl> <cmn32480> you'ld need to turn off the autosub feature
[19:24:31] <janrinok> yes, that's why I'm looking at the browser interface. Pick the best stories, tidy them up, and then submit them all from a browser window
[19:25:31] <cmn32480> understood
[19:27:12] <janrinok> going to have to go - it's the witching hour for me
[19:27:29] <janrinok> have a good afternoon and evening. See you perhaps tomorrow?
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[19:29:26] <cmn32480> with some luck, yes
[19:29:32] <janrinok> hi JamesNZ - sorry, but I'm just about to leave
[19:29:45] <cmn32480> was planning on going to the office after my plane lands, but turns out I have to go to a funeral instead
[19:29:57] <cmn32480> I'd frankly rather go to the office
[19:30:07] <JamesNZ> janrinok: Have a nice day :)
[19:30:16] <janrinok> sorry to hear that - I'll see you when I see you cmn
[19:30:25] <cmn32480> night janrinok
[19:30:27] <janrinok> JamesNZ: my day is over, but I hope to have a good sleep
[19:30:30] <cmn32480> my best to S
[19:30:39] <janrinok> thx - I will pass it on
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[21:49:05] <Gravis> what the? why the hell is this modded flamebait?! https://soylentnews.org
[21:49:07] <Schwifty> ^ 03SN comment by [02Gravis (4596)] (02Score:2, Insightful)
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[22:10:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, same reason I get modded troll when i'm completely serious.
[22:10:34] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: but you are a troll
[22:10:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> only part time
[22:11:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> most of my libertarian type views are sincerely held
[22:12:10] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: yes but you conflat your trolling and sincerity so that it's always a troll
[22:12:21] <Gravis> conflate*
[22:12:22] <SirFinkus> welcome to user moderation! sometimes people mod you down for bullshit reasons
[22:13:00] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you are a troll even when you are sincere
[22:13:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, nah, you just believe anyone holding views like mine is a troll so you don't have to think
[22:13:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus++ #Truth speaker
[22:13:57] <Bender> karma - sirfinkus: 18
[22:13:58] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: i mean, i could sincerely say the site is better off without you but that would still be a troll
[22:14:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp, troll absolutely requires the motivation to wind people up
[22:14:50] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: your rigid standards are not other people's standards
[22:15:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, just the definition of trolling
[22:15:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you don't adhere, you are wrong and moderating badly
[22:16:33] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: well... then i guess i should tell you that you're views are the cause of so many ailments in society.
[22:16:52] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: i mean... it's a hard truth and it's absolutely true
[22:17:05] <cmn32480|travelin> Gravis: so are yours
[22:17:12] * SirFinkus grabs the popcorn
[22:17:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, that's peachy keen. that's where disagreement belongs, comments.
[22:17:18] <cmn32480|travelin> there is a happy middle ground that neds be found between the two
[22:17:25] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: i disagree
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[22:17:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> feel free but you are wrong.
[22:17:46] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: i'm happy to tell it to you whenever and wherever
[22:18:11] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: because the truth doesn't change regardless of how much you deny it
[22:18:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, you and the truth aren't on speaking terms where it invalidates your views
[22:18:52] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, the libertarian principles that america was founded on and that made it great requires too many people to get off their asses and work for a living rather than whining and mooching off welfare
[22:19:13] <crutchy> implying that people should earn a living is now extremist
[22:19:17] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: feel free to point out where i'm wrong
[22:19:31] <crutchy> Gravis, you're wrong about a lot of stuff
[22:19:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> i have, multiple times.
[22:19:35] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: because yout type of selfish behavior has been the downfall of many dead societies
[22:19:43] <Gravis> crutchy: such as?
[22:19:55] <crutchy> you're love of socialism
[22:20:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, greed causes societal downfall.
[22:20:22] <Gravis> crutchy: what do you mean?
[22:20:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> greed is the desire for wealth you have not earned. goes for welfare pukes as much as robber barons.
[22:20:31] <crutchy> socialism turns people into slaves
[22:20:52] <Gravis> crutchy: it distributes burden
[22:21:05] <crutchy> you're wrong. it doesn't
[22:21:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> it puts a gun to your head if you do not give it the product of your labor
[22:21:14] <crutchy> it creates the biggest wealth gap the world has ever seen
[22:21:54] <crutchy> and instead of encouraging people to excel, it drags everyone down to the bottom except the oligarchy that controls the military
[22:22:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> equality of poverty is all socialism can ever promise
[22:22:17] <Gravis> crutchy: so... you are pro-oligarchy?
[22:22:22] <crutchy> there is no middle class. most people become slaves of the state
[22:22:50] <crutchy> Gravis, that you asked that tells me you have absolutely nfi what i'm talking about
[22:23:05] <Gravis> what is "nfi"?
[22:23:13] <crutchy> ~define nfi
[22:23:16] <exec> [urbandictionary] 03nfi: No Fucking Idea
[22:23:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, libertarians are as much against oligarchy as they are socialism
[22:24:10] <crutchy> oligarchy is only possible through government corruption
[22:24:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> i need cake. or possibly pie.
[22:24:22] <crutchy> because only government has the ability to force people to do anything
[22:24:33] <crutchy> corporations can't force people to do anything
[22:24:41] <crutchy> all they can do is lobby corrupt politicians
[22:24:44] <crutchy> to do it for them
[22:25:13] <Gravis> corporations can do plenty.
[22:25:30] <Gravis> and they can force people to do just about anything
[22:25:31] <crutchy> they can sell stuff
[22:25:40] <crutchy> that's where you're so wrong dude
[22:25:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> and buy stuff
[22:25:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> other than that, they can do fuck all.
[22:26:01] <crutchy> corporations can't force people to do anything without government coercion
[22:26:25] <Gravis> so buying laws and having people put in prison isn't enough?
[22:26:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> that would be WITH government corruption
[22:26:42] <crutchy> they only buy what corrupt politicians sell them
[22:26:55] <Gravis> is there any government without corruption?
[22:26:58] <crutchy> see, you're also an idiot missing the part about "corrupt politicians"
[22:27:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> not at the moment but i can design you one if you like
[22:27:10] <crutchy> yes
[22:27:18] <Gravis> LOL
[22:27:22] <crutchy> small governments are much less corrupt than big governments
[22:27:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> well true
[22:27:34] <Gravis> oh man... you guys are a riot.
[22:27:39] <crutchy> if a government has less power to sell, then corporations have less power to buy
[22:27:43] <crutchy> its as simple as that
[22:27:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> corruption is even fine in small, manageable amounts.
[22:27:59] <crutchy> humans are corrupt
[22:28:03] <crutchy> its natural
[22:28:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> when it becomes systemic is when you're fucked
[22:28:51] <Gravis> crutchy: they are corrupt if you allow there to be a system which allows people to be "more equal" than others.
[22:29:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, you should know this. it's what kept socialism from ever being implemented in a working form.
[22:29:16] <crutchy> so you think equality is corruption? lol you're the riot
[22:29:37] <Gravis> no, i think inequality is the cause for corruption
[22:29:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, exactly. everyone should be equally free to trade the product of their labor instead of having it stolen from them to make up for the shortcomings of others.,
[22:30:47] <Gravis> no, it's why we should eliminate inequality
[22:30:51] <crutchy> Gravis, capitalism allows people to get off their ass and improve their standard of living themselves. if there is an unequal amount of effort, that's not corruption
[22:30:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> giving people freedom gives them equality. forcing them into a mold harms them unequally.
[22:31:30] <crutchy> if i work and someone else doesn't, do you really think its fair that i give him half my income?
[22:32:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, I'm currently unemployed. pls to send me half your paycheck.
[22:32:04] <crutchy> the only way to force equality is to create slaves that work the same
[22:32:28] <Gravis> wrong. you can eliminate the need for labor
[22:32:41] <crutchy> oh not this again. with robots right?
[22:32:58] <crutchy> time for me to bug out lol have fun tmb :p
[22:33:00] <Gravis> the truth hasn't changed
[22:33:10] <Gravis> what is tmb?
[22:33:20] <Gravis> two my butt?
[22:33:40] <Gravis> that's my business?
[22:33:42] <crutchy> i need to go be a slave to by capitalist boss so that i can pay my slave mortgage and eat slave food and stuff
[22:34:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i do have a running thing where i text "my butt" to a friend of mine but i think it probably stands for TheMightyBuzzard
[22:34:29] <Gravis> the mighty butt
[22:34:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> witty
[22:35:30] <Gravis> or perhaps the massive butt
[22:35:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> think ima go take some of all my slave savings and go exchange them for delicious baked goods at the store
[22:36:02] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: enjoy the poison. :)
[22:36:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm old and will damned well enjoy cake/pie for dinner if i feel the desire
[22:36:25] * TheMightyBuzzard nods to self
[22:36:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> laters
[22:36:41] <Gravis> by fatman
[22:36:44] <Gravis> bye*
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