#Soylent | Logs for 2015-09-26

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[00:00:07] <crutchy> its kinda interesting how the tables have turned on iphone
[00:00:13] <crutchy> now its the underdog
[00:00:46] <crutchy> its not even the most expensive and elite
[00:00:49] <crutchy> any more
[00:00:58] <Gravis> takyon: yeah... LPDDR is a sure-fire way to lose to a rowhammer attack.
[00:01:24] <takyon> actually the CPU in it is usually faster than all of the others at launch, right
[00:02:08] <crutchy> in the iphone?
[00:02:12] <takyon> http://appleinsider.com
[00:02:13] <Schwifty> ^ 03Apple Inc A9 chip cores in iPhone 6s and 6s Plus deliver a processor punch to Samsung, Qualcomm
[00:02:14] <takyon> yeah
[00:02:35] <crutchy> prolly. the screens are neat too
[00:02:43] <crutchy> whatsitsname?
[00:02:53] <takyon> retina?
[00:02:56] <crutchy> yeah that
[00:03:06] <Gravis> i just wish someone would make a full features ARMv8 chip that can be slapped into a laptop
[00:03:13] <takyon> other phones have way higher resolution than apple now
[00:03:32] <takyon> I think there are chrome books with NVIDIA ARM chips
[00:03:41] <crutchy> though i think samsung is working on a bigger range of screen tech, including transparency and foldability
[00:03:52] <Gravis> bleh. nvidia's armv8 cores are weak
[00:03:58] <Gravis> which is retarded really
[00:04:19] <crutchy> is STM still a player in SoC?
[00:04:41] <Gravis> they still make them... yes.
[00:04:55] <Gravis> SoC hasn't exactly gone out of style :P
[00:05:21] <takyon> so why would you want an ARM chip in your laptop again?
[00:05:32] <crutchy> ARM has sorta taken the limelight from everyone
[00:05:45] <takyon> and would you want a higher-powered ARM chip (like 10 Watt TDP or something)
[00:05:47] <Gravis> takyon: so i can have a laptop that lasts longer than an hour
[00:05:57] <takyon> they already do...
[00:06:36] <Gravis> takyon: i don't want a netbook or tablet wannabe
[00:06:54] <Gravis> 17" screen
[00:06:56] <takyon> the latest x86 chips have way better idle power consumption, way better battery life
[00:07:03] <Gravis> lol
[00:07:14] <Gravis> no... they soooo dont
[00:07:16] <crutchy> if i buy a 17" laptop i'm prolly not gunna go ARM
[00:07:37] <crutchy> i'll just buy a second battery if need be :p
[00:07:37] <takyon> what are you running on now then
[00:07:46] <Gravis> takyon: not a laptop
[00:07:54] <takyon> what CPU
[00:08:04] <Gravis> takyon: why?
[00:08:06] <crutchy> i5 is good for laptops i reckon
[00:08:11] <crutchy> i7 is overkill
[00:08:18] <takyon> I want to compare it to what's been released since
[00:08:52] <Gravis> takyon: comparing a desktop chip to a laptop chip is apples and oranges
[00:09:37] <takyon> if you're using Sandy Bridge for instance, I just want to compare that to Broadwell/Skylake
[00:09:52] <crutchy> Gravis, maybe just start with intel or amd :p
[00:10:12] <Gravis> ugh... not going with intel. they are anti-competitive
[00:10:22] <Gravis> they also backdoor everything
[00:10:32] <takyon> yeah yeah show us the proof
[00:10:48] <crutchy> i prefer AMD for desktops (cheaper) but i prefer toshiba laptops, so its intel for that
[00:11:22] <crutchy> nobody makes better laptops than toshiba imho
[00:12:19] <Gravis> takyon: https://en.wikipedia.org
[00:12:20] <Schwifty> ^ 03Wiki: Intel Active Management Technology
[00:13:05] <Gravis> takyon: https://en.wikipedia.org
[00:13:06] <Schwifty> ^ 03Wiki: Intel AMT versions
[00:13:16] <takyon> "This article contains weasel words: vague phrasing that often accompanies biased or unverifiable information."
[00:13:26] <takyon> "PCs can be sold with AMT enabled or disabled. The OEM determines whether to ship AMT with the capabilities ready for setup (enabled) or disabled."
[00:13:38] <crutchy> takyon, most wikipedia "vs" articles are like that
[00:13:41] <crutchy> big wankfests
[00:13:47] <crutchy> lots of reverts
[00:13:51] <crutchy> full of shills
[00:14:30] <crutchy> or woops i read amt as amd :p
[00:14:38] <takyon> and you can disable it in the BIOS
[00:14:41] <crutchy> clicking links is hard
[00:14:53] <crutchy> ~g amt
[00:14:58] <exec> [google] www.amt.org.au/
[00:15:04] <crutchy> derp
[00:16:05] <cmn32480|sleepin> alternative minimum tax>
[00:16:17] <crutchy> ~g'day cmn32480|sleepin
[00:16:28] <Gravis> takyon: clearly you haven't seen the presentation about how they hacked it so that disabling it did nothing
[00:16:44] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[00:16:45] <Schwifty> ^ 03Friday - Rebecca Black - Official Music Video - YouTube
[00:16:51] <SirFinkus> aww yeah bitches, friday
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[00:16:53] <takyon> just get the newest intel chip then
[00:17:10] <crutchy> Gravis, i doubt there are any computers that are connected to the internet that can't be hacked
[00:17:18] <crutchy> unhackable is a myth
[00:17:54] cmn32480|sleepin is now known as cmn32480
[00:17:56] <crutchy> its merely a battle between security and utility
[00:17:58] <takyon> here are some ARM laptops: http://armdevices.net
[00:17:59] <Gravis> crutchy: sure... but this is a huge-ass backdoor.
[00:18:00] <Schwifty> ^ 03Laptops | ARMdevices.net
[00:18:01] <cmn32480> how goes it crutchy
[00:18:14] <cmn32480> ack... bath time.
[00:18:17] <takyon> a lot of them are chromebooks, some of them are more like 2-in-1s
[00:18:51] <crutchy> takyon, i haven't looked for a while but it seems like there is still a bit of a processing gap between intel/amd and arm
[00:18:59] <crutchy> though i'm sure the gap is closing fast
[00:19:19] <crutchy> it seems like moore's law may have collapsed
[00:19:23] <Gravis> takyon: yeah... those "laptops" are itty-bitty.
[00:19:29] <Gravis> they are netbooks
[00:19:44] <Gravis> 17" screen or gtfo
[00:19:55] <takyon> I'm sure I've seen some large chromebooks. Don't know about the CPU or cost though
[00:20:03] <crutchy> Gravis, there's also mini pcs
[00:20:12] <crutchy> you just plug whatever screen you want in
[00:20:40] <Gravis> crutchy: that sounds great... except it's not portable which is the point of a laptop
[00:20:51] <crutchy> they are though. just not the screen
[00:21:13] <crutchy> good for folks that work at home and office
[00:21:24] <crutchy> (screens available in both places)
[00:21:25] <Gravis> crutchy: sounds as useful as a watch that has to be plugged in.
[00:21:25] <takyon> I'm up to 13.3" with a Samsung Exynos ARM chip
[00:21:53] <crutchy> you can get small screens
[00:22:19] <Gravis> crutchy: the point is to have a portable system with long battery life
[00:22:20] <crutchy> and small (even foldable) keyboards
[00:22:44] <crutchy> portable doesn't necessarily imply a single unit though
[00:22:58] <crutchy> i'm just saying there are alternatives to laptops
[00:23:10] <Gravis> crutchy: and i'm saying those alternatives are shit
[00:23:17] <crutchy> fair enough
[00:23:25] <takyon> Newegg doesn't have any ARM laptops over 13.3"
[00:23:37] <crutchy> have you ever tried them? sounds like you haven't
[00:24:21] <Gravis> takyon: i think the largest screen that i've seen on an ARM laptop was 15"
[00:24:30] <Gravis> maybe a bit smaller
[00:25:03] <Gravis> crutchy: i also haven't tried rolling in pigshit but it's just one of those things that i understand i do not like.
[00:25:51] <crutchy> ooook
[00:26:14] <crutchy> so you have nfi in other words :p
[00:26:21] <Gravis> what i want simply doesn't exist yet
[00:27:15] <crutchy> i want to live in a space station orbiting jupiter, but it doesn't exist yet either so i can understand
[00:27:16] <Gravis> though i suspect apple may produce one in time.
[00:27:44] <takyon> that would be an interesting move from apple
[00:27:56] <crutchy> have you seen the thin samsung laptop?
[00:28:03] <Gravis> they have the ability to switch to ARM and they code it's ancient
[00:28:09] <Gravis> their code*
[00:28:36] <Gravis> their code isn't ancient*
[00:28:39] <Gravis> meh
[00:28:53] <crutchy> Gravis, http://www.samsung.com
[00:28:54] <Schwifty> ^ 03Laptops Notebooks for Gaming, Home Office, Everyday More | Samsung
[00:29:11] <crutchy> ok i would dump windows 10, but meh
[00:30:14] <crutchy> they a bit pricey too, but you get what you pay for
[00:30:20] <Gravis> crutchy: no intel. thanks.
[00:30:40] <crutchy> decent laptop manufacturers only use intel
[00:30:47] <crutchy> everything else is shit
[00:31:03] <Gravis> crutchy: for now
[00:31:09] <takyon> AMD's APUs can challenge Intel's integrated graphics
[00:31:09] <crutchy> even apple prolly will only use intel
[00:31:34] <Gravis> like i said, what i want simply doesn't exist yet
[00:32:09] <takyon> I bet you could get someone to chuck an ARM in a clamshell for under $1500
[00:32:20] <crutchy> in this day and age you won't get chips without backdoors
[00:32:29] <crutchy> they all have them
[00:32:39] <Gravis> crutchy: nope
[00:33:03] <crutchy> even if they aren't yet widely known
[00:33:05] <Gravis> crutchy: avoid chips with closed source "microcode" and you will be ok
[00:33:23] <Gravis> oh... and x86
[00:33:24] <crutchy> the best backdoors are probably designeed into the hardware
[00:34:15] <crutchy> i'm sure 8086 doesn't have a backdoor either
[00:34:18] * SirFinkus slips crutch a note that reads "backdoor beauty?"
[00:34:19] <Gravis> yeah, i'm hoping RISC-V gets some funding to finish
[00:34:23] <SirFinkus> crutchy even
[00:34:24] <SirFinkus> damn
[00:34:38] * chromas wants the whole pie
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[00:34:47] <chromas> or was it a cake?
[00:34:55] <crutchy> SirFinkus, the backdoor beauties will all be chinese in future :p
[00:34:58] * Gravis wishes for chromas to drown in pie
[00:35:00] <poutine> <Gravis> crutchy: no intel. thanks.
[00:35:06] <poutine> really? we still have someone in 2015 who prefers AMD?
[00:35:13] <chromas> oooh
[00:35:21] <crutchy> poutine, amd is ok for homebuilt desktops. they are cheaper
[00:35:24] <chromas> Gravis vs poutine…pay per view only
[00:36:06] <Gravis> poutine: i prefer not intel.
[00:36:13] <crutchy> Gravis, what makes you think AMD chips don't have backdoors?
[00:36:44] <Gravis> crutchy: i think there is a lesser chance of it but i don't exclude the possibility
[00:36:53] <crutchy> i would say its a certainty
[00:36:56] <crutchy> that they do
[00:37:16] <Gravis> crutchy: all the more reason to leave x86 in the dust
[00:37:23] <poutine> Gravis, what are you basing all of this on
[00:37:26] <poutine> what evidence
[00:37:27] <crutchy> intel probably also has other backdoors that we don't know about
[00:37:54] <crutchy> the one you know about is probably just a honeypot or something
[00:38:01] <Gravis> poutine: it's logic.
[00:38:35] <Gravis> poutine: is an american company more likely to work with the NSA than a canadian company?
[00:38:38] <poutine> Gravis, no.. no it isn't, logic has foundations, this is just some crazy person rant on an IRC channel, don't act like it's only logical to come to this conclusion
[00:39:01] <crutchy> Gravis, also it is logical that they all have backdoors
[00:39:09] <crutchy> because they are all controlled by governments
[00:39:14] <SirFinkus> I don't think it's the far-fetched
[00:39:23] <poutine> AMD and Intel are both american companies, not sure what you're getting at with this tangent
[00:39:39] <SirFinkus> they've been trying to subvert encryption for ages
[00:39:42] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[00:39:42] <Schwifty> ^ 03Get on with it! Uncle Sam's right-hand man schools ICANN powwow • The Register
[00:39:54] <crutchy> eventually they will both be manufactured in china and then chinese gov will put its own backdoors in
[00:40:06] <crutchy> then everyone will be backdooring each other
[00:40:14] <crutchy> it will be a massive poo sex fest
[00:41:43] <takyon> forget backdoors
[00:41:47] <takyon> it's all about frontdoors now
[00:42:16] <crutchy> Microsoft Windows Spying Edition
[00:42:39] <Gravis> whoops. i conflated ATI's background with AMD's.
[00:42:44] <poutine> Gravis, So let's break it down logically, we have intel, an american company, and AMD, an american company, you state that logic dictates that the AMD is not backdoored and that Intel is, can you explain the logic up to that conclusion?
[00:43:07] <crutchy> poutine, Gravis' whole life has been a lie!
[00:43:17] <crutchy> maybe that's why he bacame a socialist
[00:43:26] <Gravis> poutine: i'm not saying that AMD isn't but i do know that intel is backdoored
[00:43:35] <poutine> Gravis, evidence?
[00:43:37] <crutchy> Gravis, better the devil you know :p
[00:43:42] <chromas> he read it on slashdot ;)
[00:43:56] <Gravis> poutine: https://en.wikipedia.org
[00:43:56] <Schwifty> ^* 03Wiki: Intel Active Management Technology
[00:44:00] <crutchy> oh shit it must be right
[00:44:04] <crutchy> if its on slashdot
[00:44:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - JLENS Balloons Still Not Warning US of Cruise Missiles - http://sylnt.us - ballooning-costs
[00:44:51] <crutchy> Gravis, so you're willing to forfeit quality for some ideological farce... hmm well i guess you are a socialist :/
[00:45:31] <poutine> Gravis, you do realize it's not a backdoor when it's a published feature right? Also you can turn off AMT
[00:45:53] <poutine> this is no different than saying SSH is a backdoor
[00:45:55] <Gravis> poutine: it's already been hacked.
[00:46:15] <Gravis> poutine: and no, turning it off wont save you
[00:46:33] <crutchy> Gravis, you mentioned rowhammer. doesn't that mean we're all fucked?
[00:46:48] <Gravis> crutchy: no... just the people with lpddr
[00:47:14] <Gravis> crutchy: and it's biggest effect is on smartphones
[00:47:15] <crutchy> i thought it affected everything except ec.. err somethingerother
[00:47:32] <crutchy> ~g rowhammer
[00:47:33] <exec> [google] https://en.wikipedia.org
[00:48:01] <crutchy> ECC
[00:49:06] <Gravis> crutchy: i dont think they makes smartphones with ecc memory
[00:49:29] <crutchy> anyway, if you're worried about hacking you're only surefire protection is to unplug the cord
[00:49:38] <crutchy> s/'re/r/
[00:49:38] <sedctl> <crutchy> anyway, if your worried about hacking you're only surefire protection is to unplug the cord
[00:49:42] <crutchy> derp
[00:50:06] <Gravis> crutchy: of course... but it's still worth mitigating all the risks you can
[00:51:10] <crutchy> true, but if you're worried about AMT then surely you must be worried about the AMD equivalent?
[00:51:24] <Gravis> crutchy: there isn't one.
[00:52:30] <crutchy> from the wiki article on AMT:
[00:52:32] <crutchy> "Hardware-based management has been available on Intel/AMD based computers in the past, but it has largely been limited to auto-configuration using DHCP or BOOTP for dynamic IP allocation and diskless workstations, as well as Wake-on-LAN (WOL) for remotely powering on systems."
[00:53:09] <Gravis> crutchy: umm... i dont use PXE, thanks.
[00:53:36] <crutchy> that's fine, but its still there
[00:54:05] <Gravis> and i'm not worried about because... it's a concept.
[00:54:20] <crutchy> ~g Open Platform Management Architecture
[00:54:21] <exec> [google] https://en.wikipedia.org
[00:54:49] <crutchy> "OPMA was created as a joint technology development effort between AMD and various platform management subsystem technology companies"
[00:55:46] <crutchy> looks like there's no mobos that support it according to that article, but who knows for real
[00:55:51] <Gravis> crutchy: interesting... but i dont have a OPMA enabled motherboard.
[00:56:00] <crutchy> point is that the CPU probably has it
[00:56:15] <Gravis> crutchy: there is at least one motherboard, there is a link to it
[00:57:00] <crutchy> also, i thought paranoia was supposed to be a "conservative" thing
[00:57:05] <crutchy> whatever that means
[00:57:46] <Gravis> crutchy: right now hacking motherboards is reserved for nation state's.
[00:58:22] <Gravis> crutchy: i'm not really concerned about them
[00:58:25] <crutchy> governments are notoriously inefficient at actually doing anything. you can be sure that any progress they are making has been outsourced
[00:59:23] <crutchy> but you make a good point that the CPU is only one piece of a larger puzzle
[00:59:55] <Gravis> crutchy: i agree with you for agreeing with me.
[01:00:04] <crutchy> what's the point in having a super secure CPU if there are other components that lay out the red carpet to hackers
[01:00:33] <crutchy> a lot of those components are made in taiwan or china, which you can basically assume means there are backdoors
[01:01:13] cmn32480 is now known as cmn32480|sleeping
[01:01:16] cmn32480|sleeping is now known as cmn32480|sleepin
[01:01:35] <crutchy> cmn32480|sleepin, outta curiosity what's a 3280 mean?
[01:01:35] <Gravis> crutchy: google forbid the use of leveno laptops because they kept finding so many backdoors in both hardware and firmware. :P
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[01:02:04] <crutchy> Gravis, i mean at the component level
[01:02:17] <crutchy> even iphones have hardware made in china
[01:02:25] <crutchy> well, i guess that whole thing is made in china
[01:02:37] <cmn32480|sleepin> crutchy - it means that you rotten bastards will forget my birthday even if it is in front of you.
[01:02:46] <Gravis> crutchy: yeah... and you dont think they inspect the chips?
[01:03:06] <crutchy> Gravis, i'm sure they don't
[01:03:15] <crutchy> even if they did they wouldn't find anything
[01:03:20] <Gravis> crutchy: actually, i think the complex chips are made in japan
[01:03:46] <crutchy> a lot of stuff is made in taiwan
[01:04:16] <crutchy> cmn32480|sleepin, i don't get it. were you born on the 32nd of april 1980?
[01:04:26] <crutchy> or 3/24/1980?
[01:04:32] <crutchy> ah now i get it
[01:04:37] <crutchy> you backward americans
[01:04:44] <crutchy> 24 march 1980
[01:05:26] <crutchy> lousy smarch weather
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[01:05:47] <Gravis> cmn32480|sleepin: oh i just thought that was your bank card's pin. :P
[01:06:01] <crutchy> one too many digits for that
[01:06:17] <Gravis> cmn32480|sleepin: 0 isn't a real number.
[01:06:27] <Gravis> thus only 4
[01:06:41] <crutchy> what's a real number?
[01:06:52] <Gravis> crutchy: the ones that count
[01:07:04] <crutchy> sooo... 10 doesn't count?
[01:07:18] <crutchy> or you mean just 0 on its own i guess
[01:07:40] <Gravis> crutchy: sure... whatever moves this conversation forward
[01:08:04] <crutchy> i'm not sure this conversation has been moving anywhere for the last hour
[01:08:33] <Gravis> sure it has
[01:08:40] <crutchy> if you think so
[01:08:46] <cmn32480|sleepin> crutchy - I was indeed born on the 32nd of April
[01:08:50] <Gravis> crutchy: you just dont realize the conversation being had
[01:09:01] <crutchy> Gravis, or i just don't care to
[01:09:13] <crutchy> cmn32480|sleepin, i knew it!
[01:09:36] <Gravis> crutchy: perhaps because you assumed the conversation was with you.
[01:09:47] <cmn32480|sleepin> ~night crutchy
[01:09:58] <cmn32480|sleepin> ~gnight crutchy
[01:09:58] <crutchy> g'night cmn32480|sleepin
[01:09:59] * exec allegedly poops a used franger of splodge for crutchy
[01:10:12] <crutchy> damn
[01:10:14] <Gravis> -_-
[01:10:30] <cmn32480|sleepin> zoinks!
[01:10:37] <crutchy> exec, that was just dirty
[01:10:38] <SpallsHurgenson> I say, we must move forward, not backward; upward, not forward; and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!
[01:10:41] <cmn32480|sleepin> ~gnight gravis
[01:10:43] * exec brazenly pours a cold can of coffee for gravis
[01:11:03] <Gravis> that's ok, i dont drink coffee
[01:11:21] <crutchy> Gravis, have you been conversing with yourself this whole time?
[01:11:26] <cmn32480|sleepin> I gots the weekend off. see y'all on Monday
[01:11:31] <crutchy> yay!
[01:11:46] <Gravis> crutchy: no that's preposterous. why would you think such a thing?
[01:11:55] <crutchy> Gravis, you kinda implied it
[01:12:06] <crutchy> either that or you're just talking shit, which is ok too :p
[01:12:42] <Gravis> crutchy: good... because... maybe. :P
[01:13:02] <crutchy> normally if you highlight someone in irc conversation it sorta implies you are talking to them, or else you're talking to yourself
[01:13:36] <crutchy> i'm just talking to an irc client, which happens to be talking back to me. its a total mystery how
[01:13:57] <crutchy> turing test passed!
[01:13:58] <Gravis> crutchy: or you have prewritten a script to use as an alibi for committing murder
[01:14:11] <crutchy> nah if i did that i would be a wealthy man
[01:14:33] <Gravis> crutchy: here's the thing... you have assume that you aren't a script.
[01:14:37] <Gravis> +d
[01:15:10] <Gravis> crutchy: i mean... this conversation may have already taken place and this is just a playback of it
[01:15:10] <crutchy> if i was a script i would look like hugo weaving
[01:15:44] <crutchy> you do realise that philosophy is retarded?
[01:16:38] <Gravis> crutchy: only on the internet
[01:17:22] <Gravis> crutchy: it's roko's basilisk.
[01:17:34] <crutchy> i prefer to call it navelgazing
[01:18:03] <Gravis> crutchy: do you really think man gave machine a navel?
[01:18:03] <crutchy> ~g roko's basilisk
[01:18:05] <exec> [google] rationalwiki.org/wiki/Roko&#39;s_basilisk
[01:18:16] <Gravis> i mean... why bother?
[01:18:29] <crutchy> i think man likes staring at his own navel
[01:18:40] <Gravis> "so you can fuck it" <-- that was the correct answer
[01:19:01] <crutchy> why would i make a robot with a navel for fucking?
[01:19:04] <SpallsHurgenson> rokos basilisk seems to be the latest meme... I've heard it a half dozen times in the last couple of weeks
[01:19:10] <crutchy> ~define roko's basilisk
[01:19:40] <crutchy> if its not in urbandictionary it can't be a meme.. yet :p
[01:20:35] <crutchy> god invented the ceiling fan for fucking
[01:21:28] <SirFinkus> !grab crutchy
[01:21:28] <Bender> Added quote 563
[01:21:34] <Gravis> actually... a meme is just a self perpetuating idea, so yes it can be
[01:21:42] <SpallsHurgenson> rokos basilisk is basically a theory that says if an AI ever gets invented its gonna kill everyone that didn't help it get invented
[01:22:25] <SpallsHurgenson> apparently because it wants to make the world a better place by getting rid of the things that don't want to make the world a better place or something
[01:22:35] <Gravis> by recreating the world in VR
[01:22:52] <Gravis> and those that don't try to bring it about are to suffer
[01:23:18] <Gravis> e.g. you are a script
[01:23:44] <SpallsHurgenson> I really gotta do something about my rattling GPU fan... its driving me nuts
[01:23:48] * SirFinkus doesn't buy into ai doomsday theories
[01:24:01] <SpallsHurgenson> except to get to the 'puter I'd have to move at least three pieces of furniture.
[01:24:05] <Gravis> SirFinkus: and that is why you will suffer!
[01:24:16] <SpallsHurgenson> aggravation versus laziness... which will win?
[01:24:19] <Gravis> SpallsHurgenson: my computer has no moving parts. :)
[01:24:25] <SirFinkus> intelligence is a gradient, it's not like we're just going to suddenly invent killer ai
[01:24:52] <SpallsHurgenson> we're not gonna suddenly invent any AI at the rate we're going :)
[01:25:04] <SirFinkus> they actually handled it pretty well in the terminator series with the whole time travel bit
[01:25:13] <Gravis> SirFinkus: you are assuming we haven't already and that your "reality" is actually reality
[01:25:26] * SirFinkus takes a bite out of his steak
[01:25:39] <SirFinkus> I want to be rich
[01:25:51] <Gravis> ;)
[01:26:36] <Gravis> SirFinkus: sorry but you get murdered
[01:27:00] <SirFinkus> I'm just glad someone got the reference
[01:28:07] <Gravis> SirFinkus: ok... but i call all your stuff! :D
[01:28:08] * SpallsHurgenson decides to drown out the rattle with very loud music
[01:28:50] <SirFinkus> the media was popular in this case, but the reference rather obscure
[01:28:53] <Gravis> SpallsHurgenson: have you considered just attaching a tamborine to the fan so that the rattling does something? :)
[01:29:18] <SirFinkus> post what kind of music so we can all laugh at your taste
[01:29:40] <SpallsHurgenson> soundtrack to the clockwork orange :)
[01:29:54] <SirFinkus> uuuhng, a soundtrack album?
[01:31:49] <crutchy> oh dear has Gravis gone on his mass murder tangent again?
[01:32:18] <Gravis> crutchy: rewatch the movie!
[01:32:27] <SpallsHurgenson> hey, Clockwork Orange had awesome music
[01:32:30] <crutchy> matrix?
[01:32:59] <crutchy> i did. if only all hackers were as fuckable as trinity
[01:34:31] <crutchy> and agent smith was an aussie... so look at world australia is gunna take over everything mwahahahahaha!
[01:35:29] * SirFinkus is listening to Аркона — Ой, Печаль-тоска, from the album От Сердца К Небу
[01:35:59] <Gravis> i like this artist: https://www.youtube.com
[01:36:04] <Schwifty> ^ 03Sidewalks and Skeletons - "Don't Kill The Birds" [OFFICIAL VIDEO] - YouTube
[01:36:18] <Gravis> the videos confuse
[01:36:56] <SirFinkus> intriguing
[01:37:01] <crutchy> .isr ai listens
[01:37:08] <crutchy> !isr ai listens
[01:37:08] <exec> 04In Soviet Russia, listens ais YOU!
[01:37:12] <Bytram> http://www.bbc.co.uk
[01:37:13] <crutchy> :/
[01:37:14] <Schwifty> ^ 03Bloodhound car aiming for land speed record unveiled - BBC News ( http://www.bbc.co.uk )
[01:37:30] <crutchy> !isr listen ai
[01:37:31] <exec> 04In Soviet Russia, ai listens YOU!
[01:37:42] * SpallsHurgenson sings "Whenever there's trouble we're there on the double, we're the bloodhound gang..."
[01:38:26] <Gravis> SpallsHurgenson: tell it to the bodybuilding elf.
[01:38:53] <SirFinkus> reminds me of this Gravis https://www.youtube.com
[01:38:53] <Schwifty> ^ 03Furry Cringe: Furry Re-Birthing - YouTube
[01:39:28] <Gravis> lolwut
[01:39:41] <SirFinkus> 2:55 in is when the music starts
[01:40:13] <Gravis> btw wtf is with the bbc still hanging on to fucking flash video playback?
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[01:41:49] <Gravis> hasn't flash proven itself to be unsafe enough for everyone yet?
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[01:42:22] <SirFinkus> bbc is clickbait these days, it's probably an asset for them
[01:43:27] <Gravis> :(
[01:43:57] <Gravis> hmm... the world needs an algo to detect click-bait
[01:44:17] <SirFinkus> actually, only one click bait above the fold today
[01:44:23] <SirFinkus> well, 2 maybe
[01:44:29] <SirFinkus> nevermind, 3
[01:44:43] <SirFinkus> of 8 stories, actually not bad
[01:45:38] <SirFinkus> but scroll down and you see "The Truth About Pigs: Discover how long they really have sex"
[01:45:57] <Gravis> :(
[01:45:57] <SirFinkus> I hope that's an intentional reference to the latest scandal with the PM
[01:46:18] <Gravis> probably :)
[01:47:22] <poutine> my wife is a QA tester and still reports problems to me saying, "X doesn't work", I wish everyone who ever said, "X doesn't work" would get put in the stocks and left to bake in the hot arizona summer sun
[01:48:25] <Gravis> poutine: putting people in stocks doesn't work. ;)
[01:48:41] <poutine> It's enjoyable for me, so there's that
[01:49:01] <Gravis> poutine: that is irrelevant.
[01:50:49] <Bytram> stocks are out at the moment; I'd go for bonds, instead. =)
[01:51:45] <Bytram> afk
[01:51:46] <Gravis> Bytram: sure... but it's a bear market... so watch out for bears. :P
[01:52:19] <Bytram> well, there is that, I suppose. Should I wait to see how well they can dance?
[01:52:21] * Bytram grins
[01:52:49] <Bytram> flight to safety... maybe gold will see a jump?
[01:53:00] <Bytram> anyway, I need a break for a few minutes. afk
[01:53:25] <crutchy> Bytram, bonds are a bubble
[01:53:35] <crutchy> you're supposed to buy low and sell high. not the other way
[01:53:45] <crutchy> if you wanna buy, go with commodities
[01:53:58] <crutchy> although tbh gold is still pretty high
[01:54:11] <crutchy> but it will go a lot higher eventually
[01:54:32] <crutchy> stocks and bonds will take the brunt in the next collapse
[01:55:03] <crutchy> unless the fed prints en masse, in which case everyone is fucked so it doesn't matter anyway
[01:58:54] <crutchy> don't go with paper commodities though. they're about as worthless as the paper used to buy them
[02:01:41] <crutchy> actually the US dollar is a bubble atm. there's better bargains in other countries
[02:01:45] <Bytram> it's been a long week and my eyes are struggling to stay open. would love to stay and chat but need some sleep.
[02:01:50] <Bytram> hope you all have a good night!
[02:02:00] <crutchy> g'night mate o?
[02:02:02] <crutchy> o/
[02:15:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Forcing Suspects to Reveal Phone Passwords is Unconstitutional, Court Says - http://sylnt.us - common-sense
[02:17:55] <crutchy> eh?
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[02:18:03] <crutchy> didn't that appear yesterday?
[02:18:24] <crutchy> or maybe it was just talked about
[02:18:45] <crutchy> cos i mentioned it was still subject to the hammer rule
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[02:44:59] <SirFinkus> mmm, steak
[02:45:31] <SpallsHurgenson> I want steak!
[02:46:24] <SirFinkus> you can have it when I'm done with it
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[03:03:31] * SpallsHurgenson finds another cache of crappy fantasy art http://www.drakan.ru
[03:03:38] <Schwifty> ^ 03Index of /FTProot/Pics02
[03:18:31] <SirFinkus> SpallsHurgenson: you seen lion wish?
[03:19:00] * SpallsHurgenson googles
[03:20:06] <SirFinkus> http://www.deviantart.com
[03:20:09] <SirFinkus> first in a series
[03:20:14] <Schwifty> ^ 03Lion Wish TF 1 by thieviusracoonus on DeviantArt ( http://thieviusracoonus.deviantart.com )
[03:20:56] <SirFinkus> http://thieviusracoonus.deviantart.com
[03:20:58] <Schwifty> ^ 03Sora and Kairi by thieviusracoonus on DeviantArt
[03:23:27] <SpallsHurgenson> between adblock, noscript, and all the rest, those pages ain't renderin'... and I ain't of a mind to turn the extensions off... so I guess I'll just miss out
[03:45:04] * Deucalion peeks in
[03:47:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Theory of Stealth Dark Matter May Explain Universe's Missing Mass - http://sylnt.us - my-head-hurts
[03:51:08] * SpallsHurgenson feels peeped upon
[03:53:06] <Deucalion> well you are the trouserless perp.... someone has to peep... /me moves on shotgun in hand, that is an image that will haunt me to my grave ~shudder~
[03:54:44] <SpallsHurgenson> peeped upon pantsless perp?
[03:55:01] <SpallsHurgenson> that's going on my business card!
[03:58:59] <takyon> http://www.bbc.com
[03:59:06] <Schwifty> ^ 03Osborne praised for 'not stressing human rights' in China - BBC News
[03:59:13] <takyon> This is hilarious
[03:59:50] <Deucalion> Business card? Is this the 80's again? What you need is an e-Card or i-Card or something so you can bonk phones with others to pass on your infections^W details. Near Field Communication - dead before it even started, the younger generation are more privacy tinfoiled than I am... and thank fuck for that.
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[04:02:00] <Deucalion> takyon, my opinion of Osborne would have me put away if I expressed it. He does smirk a lot....
[04:02:51] <takyon> is NFC really dead because young people don't want it? Or because new flagship phones like the new OnePlus Two don't bother to add support for it?
[04:02:56] <SpallsHurgenson> yo dawg its all about hte benjamins
[04:03:37] <takyon> ^ I recall this fact because I skimmed through The Register's review of it today
[04:05:06] <Deucalion> takyon, OnePlus have shot the bolt with the Two. The One was well engineered, the Two.... yeh now they went all generic and think they can pump it by putting some marketing shield by "invite only". pfft
[04:05:43] <takyon> the field is so crowded
[04:06:10] <takyon> if you pull up a comprehensive list of smartphone peddlers on Wikipedia it's insane
[04:06:23] <takyon> like that new one from ex-Google employees that's crowdfunded
[04:06:42] <takyon> the list gets bigger if you include region/country-specific phones
[04:07:45] <Deucalion> and the marketeers are desperate. How can I sell this generic phone in a field of other phones? Answer: wrong question. Build something new then try to sell that.
[04:09:33] <Deucalion> Oh wait... that would require something other than MBAs and marketeers.... as you were.... good luck with your repeated failure until you go bankrupt. Fuckwits.
[04:11:41] <takyon> wow u mad
[04:14:12] <takyon> i don't know how successful or unsuccessful these are doing
[04:14:35] <takyon> http://www.tomshardware.com
[04:14:41] <Schwifty> ^ 03Ubik Uno: A New Inexpensive 'Flagship Killer' Smartphone
[04:14:59] <takyon> Successfully raised $241,925 USD with 766 backers
[04:15:38] <takyon> and yet Ubuntu Edge couldn't make it with 1X million
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[04:15:53] <Deucalion> I'm mad?
[04:15:53] <takyon> welp
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[04:16:19] <Ethanol-fueled> Good evening, gentlemen. How goes it?
[04:16:25] <takyon> good
[04:16:39] <SpallsHurgenson> that's not mad; there's barely any froth on his mouth
[04:16:40] <Deucalion> indifferent
[04:17:02] <Ethanol-fueled> are you mad, Deucalion? Insult me, you might feel better.
[04:17:12] <Ethanol-fueled> Don't pull any punches, big-guy. I can take it.
[04:17:30] <Deucalion> Ethanol-fueled, I don't get mad.
[04:17:36] <Ethanol-fueled> like hell you don't.
[04:17:47] <Deucalion> ?
[04:18:00] <Ethanol-fueled> Even Spock shows emotion from time to time...like that time he thought he killed kirk, but found out he didn't.
[04:19:16] <takyon> can't wait for mad AI
[04:19:22] <takyon> illegal mad AI
[04:20:13] <Deucalion> You defeated yourself right there EF. If you are suggesting I show no emotion, then I have no ability to care or to get mad.
[04:20:34] <Ethanol-fueled> Well, shit, I can't argue with that one.
[04:21:09] * Deucalion hands EF a revolver with one round... you know what to do
[04:21:29] * Ethanol-fueled shoots his Puerto-Rican neighbor
[04:21:46] <Ethanol-fueled> Thanks Deucalion, that guy's been pissing me off for quite the time now.
[04:22:02] <Deucalion> well that's not nice
[04:22:18] <Ethanol-fueled> I do appreciate that it was a revolver. I love revolvers.
[04:22:22] <takyon> https://kat.cr
[04:22:56] * Deucalion mehs and fucks off to bed
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[04:29:06] * Ethanol-fueled bookmarks takyon's link
[04:31:18] <Ethanol-fueled> Looks like MDC is officially going full-retard.
[04:31:30] <Ethanol-fueled> I unfriended him a day or two ago
[04:31:36] <takyon> the journal thing?
[04:31:43] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, kinda annoying.
[04:31:52] <takyon> it's a little more than that
[04:32:14] <takyon> there are some legal issues related to posting lyrics
[04:32:21] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[04:32:27] <Schwifty> ^ 03'Steve Jobs filmmakers opportunistic? Apple, you've got a factory of children making phones' • The Register
[04:32:49] <Ethanol-fueled> That sucks...but I doubt people are going to fuck with Soylent news because some crackpot is journalspamming lyrics.
[04:33:19] <takyon> Google gets like millions of takedown notices per day
[04:33:27] <takyon> it's not humans ya gotta worry about
[04:34:04] <crutchy> yeah its democrats
[04:34:30] <crutchy> i'm sorry what were we talking about?
[04:34:31] <takyon> kek: https://torrentfreak.com
[04:34:33] <Schwifty> ^ 03Spammers Flood Google With Fake Takedown Notices - TorrentFreak
[04:34:50] <takyon> least effective spam ever
[04:35:07] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, the problem is not one of Republicans or Democrats but the batshit-insane fifth-column guiding America's policies.
[04:35:12] <crutchy> they are doing a community service, by making takedown notices appear even more stupid
[04:35:24] <takyon> good points
[04:35:31] <crutchy> republicans and democrats are the same anyway
[04:35:43] <crutchy> libertarians++
[04:35:43] <Bender> karma - libertarians: 1
[04:35:59] <crutchy> socially liberal and fiscally conservative ftw
[04:36:13] <takyon> yeah only some of them are socially liberal
[04:36:14] <Ethanol-fueled> pretty much. They'll fight all day about Planned Parenthood but they'll both fuck your civil liberties without a fight.
[04:36:25] <takyon> ..or call them LINOs
[04:36:41] <Ethanol-fueled> Nice journal, Takyon.
[04:36:46] <takyon> when I say "yeah" I actually mean "no you're wrong crutchy"
[04:37:21] <crutchy> there are a lot of fake libertarians unfortunately
[04:37:30] <Ethanol-fueled> what are those, crutchy?
[04:37:43] <takyon> anyway, Rand Paul's campaign is in the crosshairs, along with those mushier under-1% polling republicans
[04:37:47] <crutchy> republicans and democrats that want more attention
[04:38:20] <crutchy> i think rand paul is stuck between a rock and a hard place
[04:38:42] <crutchy> he's gotta convince a bunch of retards to vote for him, but to do that he's gotta act like a retard himself
[04:38:56] <Ethanol-fueled> Oh, right. Sucks about Rand, there was a big editorial in one of the most libfag local readers about Rand being somewhat viable if he stuck to his guns and didn't sell out his father's message to appeal to the older nutters of the Republican party.
[04:39:21] <crutchy> the republican party is as fucked as the democrats :/
[04:39:25] <Ethanol-fueled> Yup.
[04:39:46] <Ethanol-fueled> I hope this goddamn nation hurries up and balkanizes. I want to live in the Northwest Front.
[04:40:38] <crutchy> ~define balkanize
[04:40:40] <Ethanol-fueled> Not even Europe's most civilized nations are free from the 'Menace's grip now.
[04:40:40] <exec> [urbandictionary] 03balkanize: To fracture and waste something important, like a country, with something totally unimportant, like ethnic differences.
[04:40:47] <crutchy> lol
[04:40:49] <takyon> State governors are arguably more relevant to peoples' lives than the Prez
[04:40:54] <crutchy> urbandictionary++
[04:40:54] <Bender> karma - urbandictionary: 8
[04:41:41] <crutchy> unfortunately europe has to deal with a bunch of unelected bankers in the european commission
[04:42:14] <Ethanol-fueled> I feel bad for 'em. And it angers me that the media is totally ignoring why exactly it all is happening.
[04:42:37] <crutchy> european countries are only allowed to have elections if these crooks allow it :/
[04:42:53] <takyon> people think the U.S. have it bad. but Parliaments and Prime Ministers...
[04:43:02] <Ethanol-fueled> As much as pope Francis is humble and all that happy horseshit, he too is pandering to the 'Menace to replenish those increasingly-empty pews.
[04:43:24] <crutchy> australia changing prime minister's seems bad, but at least it highlights how unimportant our PM is
[04:43:40] <crutchy> he's just a spokesman for the party
[04:43:49] <takyon> the Catholic Church has some staying power
[04:44:31] <takyon> they aren't going to shrink below 1 billion followers anytime soon (even if some only go twice a year), and they have Scrooge McDuck levels of money
[04:44:33] <Ethanol-fueled> agreed, takyon. And they have historical value and a strong intellectual tradition if nothing else.
[04:44:42] <crutchy> religion is like terrorism... plays on people's fears from a young age
[04:44:58] <crutchy> but i do like the community aspects of religion
[04:45:10] <takyon> I like the community aspects of hackerspaces more
[04:45:17] <crutchy> that too :p
[04:45:34] <Ethanol-fueled> I've become pretty tolerant of christians the past few years. By chance the last 3 women I dated were from a Catholic background.
[04:45:54] <crutchy> most religious people are just normal people
[04:46:17] <crutchy> they just have beliefs that are common with others
[04:46:29] <Ethanol-fueled> takyon, in my limited experience working for a hackerspace, I've come to the conclusion that the people who spend a lot of time there are too aspie to have normal jobs, haha!
[04:46:52] <crutchy> like academia
[04:47:04] <takyon> go on a weekend or something
[04:47:41] <crutchy> i doubt there's any hackerspace meetings near me
[04:48:12] <Ethanol-fueled> takyon, I did that for an internship as part of my last class. I spend a lot of time there on weekdays and weekends, and it was there I learned that 3-D printing sucks ass.
[04:48:32] <takyon> some hackerspaces I've looked up seem to be community centers with a 3-d printer thrown in. More likely to do coding seminars than anything complex
[04:48:37] <crutchy> Ethanol-fueled, i've come to realise that too
[04:48:47] <crutchy> still in hobby phase
[04:48:54] <Ethanol-fueled> Yup, crutchy.
[04:49:01] <crutchy> it needs a killer app
[04:49:11] <takyon> the killer app is organ printing
[04:49:15] <crutchy> maybe
[04:49:21] <takyon> but most people won't get to do that at the library
[04:49:38] <crutchy> something that every business can't be without
[04:50:16] <Ethanol-fueled> The one thing I did like about it was that everything that could be open-source, was, and anything that wasn't was cracked
[04:50:42] <takyon> we just need printers to become more like replicators
[04:50:49] <crutchy> the open source aspects will help, but it will be slower, like linux
[04:50:55] <Ethanol-fueled> like a 3-D printer software that tried to "encrypt" their data with an ROT-style scheme, and could be bypassed with a Python script.
[04:51:08] <takyon> what the hell
[04:51:25] <crutchy> if someone could walk up to a 3d printer and say "coffee, black" it would be a killer app for sure :D
[04:51:36] <takyon> I haven't heard a lot about DRM on 3-D printing, but what I've seen so far is pretty dumb
[04:51:55] <takyon> more of a knee jerk reaction to gun printing than Nike/Adidas
[04:52:04] <takyon> muh man Cody Wilson
[04:52:31] <crutchy> yeah i think he scared the shit out of the gun manufacturers and the authorities at the same time
[04:52:38] <Ethanol-fueled> I think it had something to do with the fact that an STL file is pretty standard, but they wanted you to use their software and "encrypted" it so you couldn't use your own.
[04:53:05] <takyon> someone on here was complaining about all the 3d printer cloud integration earlier
[04:53:10] <Ethanol-fueled> ahh yes, the "liberator"
[04:53:27] <crutchy> i was more thinking of the AR-15 receiver
[04:53:32] <Ethanol-fueled> takyon, that was last night with a laser-cutter.
[04:53:35] <takyon> Ghost Gunner
[04:53:39] <Ethanol-fueled> Oh, my bad
[04:53:52] <takyon> no he is behind both
[04:54:12] <takyon> grade A 3d-2nd-amendment advocate
[04:54:30] <crutchy> when he came out with the AR-15 receiver they confiscated his printer
[04:55:07] <Ethanol-fueled> fucking thugs.
[04:55:09] <takyon> well I remember he was leasing a printer or some shit...
[04:55:43] <crutchy> i think so yeah
[04:55:45] <takyon> I'm mixing up a lot of details
[04:56:16] <takyon> he had the State Dept. get on his ass over some design posted online, but he had a 3d printer manufacturer go chickenshit about being involved with the liberator
[04:56:43] <Ethanol-fueled> that's just silly. Any 3-D printer can print a fucking liberator
[04:56:52] <takyon> right
[04:56:54] <Ethanol-fueled> (on the 14th try, that is...*ba-dum TISS*)
[04:57:02] <crutchy> the idea that plastic 3d printed guns with a single innocent looking metal pin was too much for the government
[04:57:12] <takyon> "On September 26, 2012, before the printer was assembled for use, Wilson received an email from Stratasys suggesting he was using the printer "for illegal purposes".[18] Stratasys immediately cancelled its lease with Wilson and sent a team to confiscate the printer the next day."
[04:58:01] <takyon> "n May 2013, Wilson successfully test-fired a pistol, called "the Liberator", reportedly made by a Stratasys Dimension series 3D printer bought on eBay.[22] After test firing, Wilson released the blueprints of the gun's design online through Defense Distributed.[23] The State Department Office of Defense Trade Controls Compliance then demanded that he remove it, threatening prosecution. They claimed he was violating regulations against the
[04:58:01] <takyon> international export of unapproved arms."
[04:58:15] <takyon> I don't think he ever got shit on for AR-15 80% lowers
[04:58:20] <crutchy> nowadays people can probably just use makerbots
[04:58:47] <takyon> "On US Election Day, 4 November 2014, Wilson announced in an interview that he would stand for election to a seat on the Board of Directors of the Bitcoin Foundation, with "the sole purpose of destroying the Foundation." And Wilson stated: "I will run on a platform of the complete dissolution of the Bitcoin Foundation and will begin and end every single one of my public statements with that message.""
[04:58:47] <crutchy> the AR-15 receivers were an issue because they are the licensed part of the gun
[04:59:07] <takyon> define "issue". people have been doing it just fine
[04:59:28] <crutchy> i think it was was caused his original printer to be confiscated
[04:59:31] <crutchy> or some shit
[05:00:01] <crutchy> and he had to start his own cad sharing website
[05:00:08] <crutchy> cos the files got taken down
[05:00:32] <Ethanol-fueled> It was that he did it publicly and was probably the first major example of it.
[05:00:41] <takyon> https://en.wikipedia.org
[05:00:47] <Schwifty> ^ 03Wiki: Cody Wilson ( https://en.wikipedia.org )
[05:00:54] <takyon> it wans't related to AR-15s, just Liberator stuff
[05:01:15] <takyon> he hawked the Ghost Gunner CNC mill as a way to raise money for Defense Distributed
[05:01:19] <Ethanol-fueled> We had a local arms dealer raided by the ATF because their ads had a thinly-veiled anti-government slant, and their gimmick was selling 80% lower receivers.
[05:01:29] <takyon> the main purpose of which was to craft 80% lowers
[05:01:41] <Ethanol-fueled> They still have commercials on the radio saying shit like, "are you tired of the NSA spying on you?"
[05:01:58] <crutchy> its weird that the cody wilson page doesn't mention AR-15 anywhere :/
[05:02:09] <crutchy> suspicious even
[05:02:37] <Ethanol-fueled> disappeared down the memory-hole, crutchy. Like the confederate flag. And, soon, Volkswagen. You heard it here first.
[05:03:20] <takyon> you wouldn't 3-d print a polluting Volkswagen with a confederate flag design... WOULD YOU MOTHAFUCKA?!
[05:03:53] <Ethanol-fueled> takyon, that would be pretty awesome...a new-style VW beetle decked out with a confederate flag design
[05:04:13] <takyon> it would make a good conversation starter
[05:04:16] <Ethanol-fueled> with a dixie horn like the General Lee
[05:04:58] <takyon> make it run on peanut oil
[05:05:03] <takyon> stick a deep fryer in it
[05:05:15] <crutchy> DEFCAD was the website he started
[05:05:46] <takyon> it just redirects to DD
[05:05:51] <crutchy> yeah
[05:06:00] <crutchy> it used to be a cad sharing site
[05:06:16] <crutchy> that cody set up after he got shafted by the feds the first time
[05:06:27] <takyon> so I've heard
[05:06:50] <takyon> wasn't there some issue with thingaverse banning gun files
[05:07:21] <crutchy> not sure. i'm going by vague memory mostly. i can't seem to find much about the whole thing on google atm
[05:07:56] <Ethanol-fueled> > trusting Jewgle
[05:09:10] <Ethanol-fueled> People want to sell shit and generate buzz to make money. And when you host things that alarmist suburban housewives don't like, it threatens the revenue stream.
[05:09:48] <Ethanol-fueled> "Oh my god, my little Johnny's going to print a GUN?!"
[05:10:20] <takyon> the hype has died down, along with a lot of the 3D printing hype really
[05:10:25] <takyon> it's all DRONES NOW
[05:10:39] <crutchy> i would be asking why the hell she is letting him print a gun (assuming he's too young to understand how to safely use one)
[05:11:03] <takyon> can't let drones near the pope
[05:11:13] <crutchy> takyon, was there a story about anti-drone devices
[05:11:16] <takyon> can't let drones near the lawn of the white house (flown by federal employee)
[05:11:24] <crutchy> that interfere with their control signals or something?
[05:11:37] <crutchy> i read it somewhere. brits i think
[05:11:46] <takyon> just implement security features in your drone... like a pre-programmed flight plan
[05:12:05] <Ethanol-fueled> takyon, that's dangerous thinking. Better go wash your brain out.
[05:12:06] <crutchy> that will be the countermeasure
[05:12:30] <crutchy> but then someone will come up with the next thing. its like combatting computer viruses
[05:12:45] <takyon> John Public can't fly his quadcopter for shit, he needs an app on the ipad to create a point path.
[05:12:46] <crutchy> or IEDs
[05:12:49] <Ethanol-fueled> especially if your drone is equipped with a camera and has some kind of decent pattern recognition of the "target"...uh, I mean, landing pad.
[05:13:36] <crutchy> governments and corporations will spend millions of dollars on drones, and they will be brought down with a homebuilt contraptions that cos a tiny fraction of the price
[05:14:11] <takyon> homebuilt guns?
[05:14:18] <crutchy> lol maybe
[05:14:25] <crutchy> or lasers
[05:14:46] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, in our media there have been instances of drones getting close to airplanes landing and taking off. Something will happen and then average citizens will be no longer allowed to use drones.
[05:14:50] <swiss> holy shit, the vibration on the new iphone is far above average
[05:14:54] <swiss> in quality
[05:15:06] <takyon> that's damn right ethanol-fueled
[05:15:15] <crutchy> Ethanol-fueled, that is basically given
[05:15:29] <crutchy> but even predators etc will be disabled by simple tech
[05:15:33] <takyon> pretty soon only hollywood and cops will be flying drones. oh and the USAF
[05:16:09] <Ethanol-fueled> takyon, and an airliner need not be taken down for that to happen...one will just fail and fall on a babby, and all the suburban housewives will get hysterical and there you go.
[05:16:18] <takyon> yeah well if lasers are your solution for downing drones, planes, and driverless cars, just remember they work well against pilots and drivers too
[05:16:43] <Ethanol-fueled> takyon, now driverless cars is an idea that really scares the hell out of me.
[05:17:03] <crutchy> Ethanol-fueled, driverless airliners scare the hell out of me
[05:17:15] <takyon> best case scenario it just means you have a cheaper taxi without a driver
[05:17:24] <Ethanol-fueled> point taken, crutch-dawg.
[05:17:28] <crutchy> i won't fly without a human at the helm
[05:17:39] <takyon> I won't fly WITH A HUMAN AT THE HELM
[05:17:42] <crutchy> actually i don't think many others would either, even if it were cheap
[05:17:45] <takyon> HUMANS ARE DIRTY SCUM THAT CAN'T DO SHIT RIGHT
[05:17:48] <crutchy> lol
[05:17:57] <takyon> so swiss
[05:18:00] <crutchy> pilots are mostly the exception though
[05:18:01] * Ethanol-fueled had a rough landing on his last flight.
[05:18:03] <takyon> you bought an iPhone 7
[05:18:08] <crutchy> computers are terrible at flying
[05:18:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - "Super Blood Moon" to Give Stargazers a Rare Show - http://sylnt.us - portent-of-impending-doom
[05:18:25] <takyon> yeah because nobody is trying crutchy
[05:18:31] <Ethanol-fueled> San Diego airport sucks, to land there you have to drop at the last minute because it's right behind a hill on the approach.
[05:18:32] <takyon> it's not like there's a lot to dodge in the air
[05:18:40] <crutchy> takyon, if you lose power, plane goes down
[05:19:02] <crutchy> humans have often come up with ingenious ways to land without power
[05:19:18] <crutchy> (like using engine thrust)
[05:19:26] <takyon> I've got it
[05:19:31] <takyon> make the airplane driverless
[05:19:41] <takyon> BUT PUT A HUMANOID ROBOT IN THE PILOT'S SEAT
[05:19:45] <takyon> just in case
[05:20:01] <crutchy> also the fear of death is a good motivator for a human pilot to not fuck up
[05:20:27] <Ethanol-fueled> takyon, if you invented a humanoid robot that could do that, nobody would fly because they'd be busy getting robo-handjobs.
[05:20:35] <crutchy> lol true that
[05:20:47] <takyon> robot sex ban!
[05:21:18] <crutchy> imagine if police were robots... aand hackers managed to wirelessly turn them into sex workers :D
[05:21:29] <Ethanol-fueled> I flew fairly often for much of my life, but I hadn't flown in 14 years on my last flight and I was a total fucking pussy.
[05:21:31] <takyon> fuck the police
[05:21:56] <takyon> did your ears feel funny
[05:22:13] <crutchy> Ethanol-fueled, i qualified as an aerospace engineer and worked in aviation certification for 5 and a half years, and airliners still scare me
[05:22:20] <Ethanol-fueled> That's what happens after watching plane crashes on youtube. And to be stuck in a fucking tin can falling with screaming hysterical people would be a shitty way to die.
[05:23:04] <takyon> that's why we need transhumanism
[05:23:12] <takyon> so we can all be like Bruce Willis in Unbreakable
[05:23:13] <crutchy> if you want to survive a plane crash, sit over the main wing spar. if you want to avoid a lifetime of emotional trauma from surviving a plane crash, avoid sitting over the wing
[05:24:11] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, as a kid I loved seeing the wing and the funny stuff the engine does upon landing. Now, I drink beers and clutch a book with kung-fu grip.
[05:25:00] <takyon> >buying beer on the plane
[05:25:01] <Ethanol-fueled> takyon, it was like in Fight club where the plane just rips apart, we hit some mad turbulence and all the drops in altitude kinda sucked as well.
[05:25:50] <crutchy> planes are the most carefully manufactured devices on earth, but unfortunately they aren't always the most carefully maintained
[05:25:52] <Ethanol-fueled> I kept imagining what it would be like if the generator failed and all the power just went off. Crutchy, there IS a backup if the generator fails, right? Right?
[05:26:16] <takyon> i'm pretty sure what NASA makes is better engineered than consumer airliners
[05:26:23] <crutchy> nope
[05:26:28] <crutchy> they are experimental
[05:26:34] <crutchy> fly at own risk
[05:26:59] * crutchy flew many times on an experimental aircraft used for flight test certification
[05:27:05] <crutchy> they have big placards on them
[05:27:41] <crutchy> spacecraft don't have safety regulations
[05:27:42] <crutchy> yet
[05:28:02] <takyon> NASA's got safety procedures
[05:28:21] <crutchy> they do, but that's like a policeman policing himself
[05:29:09] <takyon> everybody going to space has their incentives
[05:29:12] <crutchy> if there were independent safety regs, challenger probably wouldn't have launched
[05:29:30] <crutchy> actually the shuttle would have been grounded cos it was a piece of crap
[05:29:49] <crutchy> it was more of a military vehicle than anything
[05:30:37] <takyon> when's SpaceX sending humans up to the ISS
[05:30:44] <takyon> 2017?
[05:31:20] <crutchy> not sure. if they send any civilians, you can be sure they will have to sign all sorts of disclaimers and stuff
[05:31:46] <crutchy> cos dragon would be classified by the FAA as experimental
[05:33:12] * crutchy wonders whether they would even launch from US
[05:33:30] <takyon> https://en.wikipedia.org
[05:33:32] <takyon> looking
[05:33:32] <crutchy> a lot of commercial space ventures have been strangled by red tape in the USA
[05:33:35] <Schwifty> ^ 03Wiki: Dragon V2
[05:33:57] <crutchy> threat of litigation is huge
[05:34:01] <takyon> they are testing in Florida
[05:34:26] <takyon> and they have "SpaceX's California leased launch pad: Vandenberg AFB Space Launch Complex 4E"
[05:34:27] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahah, Dragon V2 was formerly known as DragonRider, which was a tech skill (and the name of Karsh's theme song) in Chrono Cross.
[05:40:55] <crutchy> g'day Subsentient o/
[05:41:16] <crutchy> you have been sniffed :p
[05:44:03] <takyon> dark matter skepticism
[05:45:43] <Ethanol-fueled> WUT
[05:47:10] <Ethanol-fueled> time to hit the pot soon and retardate the brain.
[05:47:23] <takyon> seeya
[05:47:24] <takyon> http://www.kurzweilai.net
[05:47:30] <Schwifty> ^ 03Pushing the resolution and exposure-time limits of lensless imaging | KurzweilAI
[05:47:36] <Ethanol-fueled> not leaving.
[05:48:37] <takyon> (profound comment)
[05:48:46] <Ethanol-fueled> takyon, those crazies at the University of Arizona actually have a college of Optical Sciences
[05:49:02] <Ethanol-fueled> https://en.wikipedia.org
[05:49:02] <Schwifty> ^ 03Wiki: University of Arizona College of Optical Sciences
[05:49:30] <Ethanol-fueled> The best part is that it's physically located in the basement under the stadium.
[05:49:35] <takyon> what's so crazy about it
[05:50:04] <Ethanol-fueled> takyon, that it's in Arizona makes it crazy.
[05:50:17] <crutchy> they have the power to explode the jocks playing football above them :p
[05:50:24] <takyon> there's talent everywhere
[05:50:28] <takyon> or fresh bodies
[05:50:58] <takyon> http://www.kurzweilai.net
[05:50:59] <Schwifty> ^ 03These self-propelled microscopic carbon-capturing motors may reduce carbon-dioxide levels in oceans | KurzweilAI
[05:51:04] <Ethanol-fueled> talent is everywhere, but degrees in optics are not.
[05:51:41] <crutchy> Ethanol-fueled, you just have to take out a mortgage that will never be repaid :p
[05:53:16] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, the joke's on you -- I'm not stupid enough to fuck myself with that kind of contract.
[05:53:35] <crutchy> heh. if only it were a joke :/
[05:54:12] <Ethanol-fueled> I live in a studio apartment the size of a prison cell. No lease. I could up and leave overnight with not a goddamn thing to worry about.
[05:55:19] <Ethanol-fueled> You pay more money short-term renting, but with the freedom to bail if conditions change unfavorably.
[05:56:47] <Ethanol-fueled> As a rather agressive tenant I've often thought how much it must suck for somebody to field complaints and get shit fixed. As a friend I've seen friends buy houses and then get fucked when they're blindsided by some life-changing event.
[05:57:16] <crutchy> if i put my tinfoil hat on something tells me america is going to become a much less hospitable place to live in the next decade, much as has happened over the last decade
[05:57:37] <crutchy> all the civil unrest that is on tv might hit a little closer to home
[05:57:51] <crutchy> well, moreso than just a couple of cities
[05:57:56] <takyon> well if that happens, we can be migrant buddies together and storm canada
[05:58:11] <crutchy> i think that will happen
[05:58:34] <Ethanol-fueled> I'll get on a boat and migrate to Vietnam or Argentina.
[05:58:42] <takyon> canada's got a shit ton of sandy oil, a large amount of the world's fresh water, and much lower population density
[05:59:08] <crutchy> and you don't need to buy refrigerators :p
[05:59:09] <Ethanol-fueled> takyon, and an incestuous relationship at the government level with the US and its insane policies.
[05:59:54] <Ethanol-fueled> U.S. reinstates the draft and fights unpopular wars? Well, Canada is no longer a safe haven.
[05:59:55] <takyon> if your civil unrest predictions come true, ethanol-fueled, the least you can do is live in a log cabin in the wilderness
[06:00:03] <Ethanol-fueled> Canada might as well BE the U.S.
[06:02:01] <crutchy> i'm kinda glad there's thousands of miles of ocean separating us in that respect
[06:02:54] <crutchy> though i'm sure our navy would appreciate an increase in boat people to take potshots at :p
[06:03:04] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, you guys have your own set of problems -- especially because unlike us you didn't revolt against your British masters.
[06:03:46] <crutchy> we're probably more likely to be lapdogs to china or USA than britain
[06:03:51] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, I would emigrate to Australia and join your military just to take potshots at boats. Then I'll be thrown in jail when its time to pay the piper.
[06:04:03] <crutchy> lol
[06:04:21] <crutchy> nah border protection is fairly popular here
[06:04:33] <crutchy> if you can stop the boats you might be elected PM
[06:04:51] <takyon> neat
[06:04:59] <takyon> brb
[06:10:42] <crutchy> every time i do ps -A i get a little shock
[06:10:53] <crutchy> PID TTY TIME CMD
[06:10:53] <crutchy> 1 ? 00:00:00 systemd
[06:11:01] <Ethanol-fueled> SYSTEMD
[06:11:27] <crutchy> this is the first vbox that i've had with systemd
[06:11:40] <Ethanol-fueled> are you poking and prodding it?
[06:12:03] <crutchy> nah the only box i like prodding is my wife's
[06:12:28] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahah, nice
[06:12:53] <crutchy> i'm working on a little php script
[06:13:14] <Ethanol-fueled> what will it do, crutchy?
[06:13:18] <crutchy> so i can have each irc channel in a separate terminal
[06:13:27] <crutchy> using ii
[06:13:58] <crutchy> it does a ps command to find out if ii is already running. if not it starts ii
[06:14:06] <Ethanol-fueled> doing it in PHP -- masochism, or super-autism?
[06:14:35] <crutchy> php is like bash but without the pain of being bashed
[06:14:59] <takyon> i don't get it, are you running a LAMP stack
[06:15:30] <crutchy> yup. in a virtual machine
[06:15:35] <Ethanol-fueled> PHP is like a blind man with a knife trying to stop a horde of gay Black rapists from taking his ass-cherry.
[06:15:42] <crutchy> lol
[06:15:59] <crutchy> i find it pretty simple language-wise
[06:16:10] <Ethanol-fueled> if you play fast and loose, sure.
[06:16:11] <crutchy> but i been using it since about 2007 or so
[06:16:14] <takyon> I like PHP
[06:17:24] <crutchy> being pedantically consistent helps, as for any language
[06:18:09] <crutchy> if you see my code you'll prolly notice very strict code etiquette
[06:18:24] <Ethanol-fueled> your code is pretty, crutchy.
[06:19:22] <crutchy> its wackery hackery in places, but even the wackery hackery has etiquette :p
[06:19:47] <takyon> so how is your LAMP stack interacting with IRC exactly
[06:20:10] <crutchy> using a php socket
[06:20:59] <crutchy> ~php fsockopen
[06:21:00] <exec> resource fsockopen( string $hostname [, int $port = -1 [, int &$errno [, string &$errstr [, float $timeout = ini_get("default_socket_timeout")]]]] )
[06:21:01] <exec> http://php.net
[06:21:12] <crutchy> to be precise :p
[06:22:34] <crutchy> though i've also started using socket_create
[06:32:03] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeccch.
[06:32:13] <Ethanol-fueled> PHP as a language is hideous.
[06:32:57] <Ethanol-fueled> Not as ugly as Perl, but approaching that level.
[06:38:03] <Ethanol-fueled> Aw, shit, missed the blood moon doing fucking homework.
[06:38:29] <Ethanol-fueled> The moon is bright as fuck now and unusually hanging right over my apartment.
[06:39:06] <K_benzoate> Where are you?
[06:39:26] <Ethanol-fueled> San Diego, California, United States of America.
[06:40:53] <crutchy> Earth, Solar System
[06:40:59] <crutchy> Milky Way Galaxy
[06:41:06] <crutchy> :p
[06:41:22] <takyon> i thought the bloodmoon was on sunday
[06:41:42] <K_benzoate> I'm about 3 degrees north of you then.
[06:42:16] <K_benzoate> and 3 West. I should go look at the moon
[06:43:30] <Ethanol-fueled> It says 0211GMT but not the weekday, hahah.
[06:44:02] <Ethanol-fueled> Oh, you have to read the article.
[06:44:40] <Ethanol-fueled> well, the moon is still at an unusual place and bright as fuck.
[06:46:09] <Ethanol-fueled> Here the moon is usually closer to the horizon, but now it's more close to just above me.
[06:49:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How One US State Went From Two Quakes a Year to 585 - http://sylnt.us - not-proof,-but-quite-a-coincidence
[06:52:24] <takyon> see you later
[07:35:01] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm still alive and kickin
[07:35:28] <Ethanol-fueled> and next week there's an EL CENTRO trip comin' up.
[07:52:20] <Ethanol-fueled> Okay, now I will leave.
[07:52:26] <Ethanol-fueled> Good night, fellas.
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[08:50:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Ultimate Internet Troll - http://sylnt.us
[09:30:17] <JamesNZ> latex++
[09:30:17] <Bender> karma - latex: 37
[09:30:19] <JamesNZ> latex++
[09:30:19] <Bender> karma - latex: 38
[09:30:21] <JamesNZ> latex++
[09:30:21] <Bender> karma - latex: 39
[09:36:56] <crutchy> are you a condom salesman?
[09:39:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[09:39:39] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1677
[09:40:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;socialist crutchy
[09:40:01] <MrPlow> crutchy, you're a socialist!
[09:41:37] <crutchy> !isr you socialist
[09:41:38] <exec> 04In Soviet Russia, socialist yous YOU!
[09:41:43] <crutchy> oh dear
[09:51:09] <chromas> exec: s/R/Я/g
[09:51:09] <sedctl> <chromas> <exec> 04In Soviet Яussia, socialist yous YOU!
[09:52:05] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[09:52:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> woke up too early today
[10:03:28] <JamesNZ> crutchy: Nah, just love me some good typesetting.
[10:11:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> typesetting is fascism! words want to be free!
[10:30:38] <JamesNZ> ;socialist TheMightyBuzzard
[10:30:38] <MrPlow> TheMightyBuzzard, you're a socialist!
[10:52:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - China Surpasses Russia with Number of Satellites in Orbit - http://sylnt.us - round-and-round-and-round
[11:24:14] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[11:24:15] <Schwifty> ^ 03Evidence The Titanic Was Sunk on Purpose - YouTube
[11:28:23] * JamesNZ passes round the tin foil hats
[11:28:45] <chromas> they could be bugged, guys
[11:28:46] <JamesNZ> They'll be trying to sink us next.
[11:28:58] * chromas puts a tin foil hat on his tin foil hat
[11:29:12] <JamesNZ> chromas++
[11:29:12] <Bender> karma - chromas: 112
[11:37:27] <crutchy> this doco actually sorta makes a bit of sense </tinfoil>
[11:37:58] <crutchy> a lot of what is mentioned i already knew but didn't think about
[11:38:08] <crutchy> like the bunker fire
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[12:27:57] <Bytram|away> ~time x
[12:27:58] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Saturday, 26 September 2015, 12:27 pm
[12:28:16] <Bytram|away> ~time EDT
[12:28:18] <exec> Saturday, 26 September 2015 @ 8:28 am ET - Eastern Time
[12:28:49] <Bytram|away> ~time x
[12:28:51] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Saturday, 26 September 2015, 12:28 pm
[12:41:32] <crutchy> sorry Bytram|away. not sure why x was lost :/
[12:41:57] <Bytram|away> crutchy: not a problem at all!
[12:42:16] <crutchy> maybe it was stored on desktop data file. i might have missed a couple of things when i was building this new vbox
[12:42:37] <Bytram|away> There's a low-cost watch brand called Timex; I just use that as a mental mnemonic to remember how to find out what the current UTC time is. =)
[12:42:56] <crutchy> ~time-add x utc
[12:42:57] <exec> name "x" set for location "utc"
[12:43:08] <crutchy> ~time x
[12:43:09] <exec> Saturday, 26 September 2015 @ 12:43 pm UTC - Coordinated Universal Time
[12:43:55] <Bytram|away> looks pretty much the same as what I got before, but now the time is different!!! OMG! ;)
[12:44:14] <crutchy> at least it doesn't say "location not found"
[12:44:14] <Bytram|away> but seriously, thanks for that... much obliged.
[12:44:24] <crutchy> ~time hell
[12:44:26] <exec> Saturday, 26 September 2015 @ 8:44 am EDT - Washington, DC, USA
[12:44:26] <Bytram|away> nod nod
[12:44:41] <Bytram|away> ~time crutchy
[12:44:42] <exec> Saturday, 26 September 2015 @ 10:44 pm GMT+10 - Melbourne VIC
[12:44:50] <Bytram|away> ~time heaven
[12:44:52] <exec> Saturday, 26 September 2015 @ 9:14 pm GMT+8:30 - Pyongyang, North Korea
[12:44:57] <crutchy> lol
[12:44:58] <Bytram|away> orly?
[12:45:08] <crutchy> haven't seen that one
[12:45:18] <Bytram|away> I'm editing a story atm; biab
[12:46:44] <Bytram|away> crutchy: could you please do me a favor and tell me if you see a table in this updated story's summary: https://soylentnews.org
[12:46:45] <Schwifty> ^* 03Error
[12:47:05] <Bytram|away> https://soylentnews.org
[12:47:05] <Schwifty> ^* 03Error
[12:47:11] <crutchy> yup
[12:47:14] <Bytram|away> tnx
[12:47:42] <Bytram|away> laundry calls, back in a few miniutes
[12:48:34] <crutchy> http://i.imgur.com
[12:53:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - "Super Blood Moon" to Give Stargazers a Rare Show [Updated] - http://sylnt.us - portent-of-impending-doom || Netflix Internal Analysis Reveals When Viewers Get Hooked on Series - http://sylnt.us - vampire-serial-killer-cooks-meths?
[12:57:49] <Bytram> crutchy: looks good! thanks for that!
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[14:25:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Songwriter Says He Made $5,679 from 178 Million Pandora Streams - http://sylnt.us - does-he-look-poor-to-you
[15:25:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - GCHQ Tried to Track Web Visits of "Every Visible User on Internet" - http://sylnt.us - what-about-shared-IP-addresses?
[15:56:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Star Trek Continues Premiers Episode 5: "Divided We Stand" - http://sylnt.us - fan-tastic
[15:59:22] <SirFinkus> http://consumerist.com oh good
[16:00:28] <Bytram> !uid
[16:00:29] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5887, owned by dierdorf
[16:28:05] <Bytram> http://feedproxy.google.com
[16:30:49] <Bytram> http://www.securityweek.com
[16:57:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - IoT Security Foundation is Launched - http://sylnt.us - my-fridge-can-talk-to-your-toaster
[17:41:18] <swiss> takyon: yeah, i got the 6S
[18:10:37] <SirFinkus> how is it swiss? Worth it over the 6?
[18:10:43] <SirFinkus> it looked like a bit of a meh upgrade
[18:13:17] <swiss> i didn't have the 6
[18:13:23] <swiss> but the taptic engine is glorioius
[18:13:26] <SirFinkus> ahh
[18:13:26] <swiss> glorious
[18:13:37] <swiss> and touchid is ridiculously fast
[18:14:47] <SirFinkus> touchid is pretty neat
[18:15:09] <SirFinkus> taptic I'd have to try for myself I guess
[18:15:51] <swiss> it feels like someone flicked your hand lightly
[18:16:31] <SirFinkus> interesting
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[18:58:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tesla Powerwall Home Installations Are Starting for Pilot Customers - http://sylnt.us - how-many-double-a's-is-that
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[20:21:05] <SirFinkus> I'm eating a philly cheesteak pizza
[20:29:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Open Source and Crowdfunding Creating New Business Niche - http://sylnt.us - kinda-like-a-unicorn
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[22:06:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;weather
[22:06:45] <MrPlow> Today: Considerable cloudiness. Lows overnight in the mid 60s. Tomorrow: Overcast. High 84F. Winds light and variable.
[22:45:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> good ole bbc iplayer. good ole vpn gateway in the uk.
[22:50:52] * SirFinkus prefers torrents
[22:55:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> they have their merits but one of them is not that you can watch them quicker
[22:57:00] <SirFinkus> meh, I binge watch shows mostly
[22:57:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> gotta wait for the encode then the torrent to complete. iplayer = no waiting.
[22:57:19] <SirFinkus> encode is like 10 mintues
[22:57:22] <SirFinkus> *10 minutes
[22:57:29] <SirFinkus> at least for the direct rip
[22:57:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> after it finishes airing
[22:58:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> some things i'm unwilling to wait on
[22:59:09] <SirFinkus> fair nuff, never really got that though
[22:59:16] <SirFinkus> unless they're sports or something
[23:09:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's doctor who, man. i need my fix.
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