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[00:00:23] <SpallsHurgenson> elections are fucking popularity contests, and almost nobody wants to appear unpopular by supporting the wrong guy even if it isn't in their best interest
[00:00:24] <drinkyon> too bad Lessig has no chance of winning in the primary. A Lessig-Sanders ticket would be ideal
[00:00:30] <n1> ICANN the least worst option, they'll stab us in the back, everyone else would shoot us in the face.
[00:01:03] <SpallsHurgenson> oh please, its gonna end up Hillary v Bush. Everything else is just circus until then
[00:01:08] <n1> controlled opposition is the best type of opposition, no one of any importance loses
[00:01:47] <drinkyon> nah, Bush is far from guaranteed, and Hillary is one misstep away from being put down
[00:01:58] <SpallsHurgenson> that strategy works until the opposing sides become essentially the same
[00:01:59] <n1> if the US ends up with clinton vs. bush it does take 'least worst option' to it's logical conclusion
[00:02:47] <n1> the choice between a shit burger and a feces baguette
[00:03:33] <SpallsHurgenson> don't disregard the power and importance of a familiar name. Continuity whispers to our subconscious
[00:03:48] <n1> got our own taste of controlled opposition in the UK, the 'left wing' corbyn.... i was wondering where it was going until
[00:04:03] <n1> "QE went to the wrong people, lets do more, right this time"
[00:04:36] <drinkyon> we have to make america great again
[00:04:41] <drinkyon> by putting clinton behind bars
[00:04:59] <n1> if that ever happened, i might believe there was hope for the current form of democracy
[00:05:22] <SpallsHurgenson> jails are for peons
[00:05:38] <drinkyon> Martha Stewart went to prison
[00:06:01] <n1> im not hoping for much, as i was told by someone in a position to know, people like me are marginal, we are not a factor for the government or politicians
[00:06:19] <n1> we dont win elections for them, so why the fuck would they care about people like me?
[00:06:39] <n1> strange what people who are supposed to work in PR for gov will say, when off the clock.
[00:08:19] <n1> watch the first few seconds of this: https://www.youtube.com
[00:08:20] <Schwifty> ^ 03Steve Baker MP at the historic debate in UK Parliament on Money Creation - YouTube
[00:08:28] <n1> see how quick the few people in there moved the fuck out of the room
[00:09:20] <SpallsHurgenson> its hardly a surprise though. Why do you thin the AARP and Christian evangalists have such a voice in american politics? they are a solid voting block. If you favor marginal groups against them, you don't win an election...
[00:09:52] <n1> in the UK we don't even really have that kind of division
[00:10:00] <SpallsHurgenson> so even if a a politician does personally support the goals of "marginals", he'd never get a chance to put those plans to power because he'd never GET to power
[00:10:04] <n1> it's just a competition to who can be seen to be more pro-business
[00:10:23] <n1> which, as a self employed person who runs a business
[00:10:28] <n1> i should all be in favour of
[00:12:05] <n1> money is the most powerful religion in the 21st century
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[00:12:56] <SpallsHurgenson2> and the 20th... and the 19th... and the 18th... and the 17th...
[00:13:04] <n1> oh indeed
[00:13:25] <n1> but it used to be much more by proxy, and had the assets were managed differently
[00:13:47] <SpallsHurgenson2> also, there were fewer assets. we're incredibly rich in the 21st century.
[00:13:58] <n1> i saw today, the solution to dairy farmers in the UK being fucked by the 'market'
[00:14:09] <n1> the governments idea.... create a dairy futures market
[00:14:37] <SpallsHurgenson2> is that a big thing in England, dairy fucking? :)
[00:14:45] <n1> so we can buy and sell milk that will exist in 10 years, as a way of helping the farmer.
[00:14:53] <SpallsHurgenson2> I would have thought that was more popular in scotland :)
[00:15:16] <n1> https://www.youtube.com
[00:15:17] <Schwifty> ^ 03frank turner Thatcher Fucked The Kids - YouTube
[00:15:35] <n1> song has a new meaning these days...
[00:16:35] <SpallsHurgenson2> completely - and less depressing - topic: http://arstechnica.com
[00:16:36] <Schwifty> ^ 03Help! There is a seething mass of snakes under my desk | Ars Technica
[00:16:53] <SpallsHurgenson2> (not really a very helpful or revelatory article, but definitely one that speaks to me :)
[00:17:00] <n1> psh
[00:17:11] <n1> amateurs
[00:17:13] <n1> thats not a mess
[00:19:02] <SpallsHurgenson2> I used to zip-tie most of my cables... except that sucks if you ever want to change your configuration
[00:19:53] <n1> exactly
[00:19:58] <SpallsHurgenson2> best thing I ever did with my cable management was to label both ends of the cable... didn't really make things NEATER but did make it a hell of a lot less frustrating :)
[00:20:59] <SpallsHurgenson2> it stops you from having to do those fruitless tugs on one end while trying to see what's moving on the other :)
[00:21:01] <n1> i dont do cable management at home, only at work
[00:21:47] <SpallsHurgenson2> work is usually easier... usually just power, keyboard, vga and network cable
[00:22:07] <n1> if it was that easy for me, it would be nice
[00:23:13] <n1> im usually dealing with lots of cat5e, coax or other types of twisted pair cables
[00:23:26] <n1> although somehow that reminded me i need to find a laptop
[00:24:15] <SpallsHurgenson2> behind my computer at home is rather sane... it's behind the big-screen TV (that services two computers and two consoles) where things get messy... especially since that's also where I stashed the network switch :)
[00:24:53] <SpallsHurgenson2> (oops, sorry, TV serves THREE computers... I forgot the VGA dongle for when I wanna output the laptop :)
[00:26:32] <n1> things are pretty sane here too, only one PC on my desk, but i have a 26 port switch for testing stuff
[00:26:39] <n1> so it can get a lot more messy at times
[00:26:41] <SpallsHurgenson2> damn wall warts are the worst... although I found a bunch of 3" extension cords that really helped with that (keeps the damn things from hogging the outlets)
[00:28:18] <n1> had to google that, couldn't remember what 'wall wart' was
[00:28:42] <SpallsHurgenson2> fine, AC adapter :)
[00:29:03] <n1> i'd say transformer but whatever works for you :)
[00:29:34] <SpallsHurgenson2> only if it changes into a robot :)
[00:29:48] <n1> i'm so used to thinking in american, i've started saying 'vitamins' in the american pronunciation
[00:29:55] <n1> which is probably weird with a london accent.
[00:30:20] <SpallsHurgenson2> viht-uh-mihns
[00:30:29] <n1> indeed
[00:30:45] <SpallsHurgenson2> you haven't started going to THE hospital yet though, right?
[00:31:14] <n1> not sure on that one
[00:31:37] <SpallsHurgenson2> every brit I've met just "goes to hospital", leaving out the definitive article. :)
[00:31:59] <n1> well, you can go to a hospital, then get moved to another one for treatment
[00:32:35] <n1> most brits could only guess what hospital they'd end up at, in an emergency
[00:32:44] <n1> so 'the' hospital only really works if there's only one to choose from
[00:33:24] <n1> even though the 'NHS' is free, i havn't been to the doctor, or to a hospital in probably 8 years
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[00:33:32] <Deucalion> Oh my gawd.... we have 2 x Spalls now?
[00:33:37] <SpallsHurgenson2> you ARE becoming an American :)
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[00:33:48] * n1 shudders
[00:34:00] <SpallsHurgenson> don't trust that other one; I'm pretty sure he's a commie spy
[00:34:03] <n1> more making the point that even when you have 'free' healthcare, people dont rush to it
[00:34:05] <n1> if they can avoid it
[00:34:38] <n1> only people i know who use the NHS frequently are people really in need of it, especially elderly. the rest of us don't have time.
[00:35:51] <SpallsHurgenson> especially since going to the doctor is always such a pleasure :)
[00:36:18] <Deucalion> Nice to know you can call an ambulance should you require one without worrying about your credit card limit :D Mind you, I've only called an ambulance once in my life - for a guy that got pole-armed in Leicester Sq. out of nowhere and went down, out cold, smacking his head on kerb in the process :( That was grim...
[00:36:18] <n1> does appear they're trying to americanize healthcare here
[00:36:50] <SpallsHurgenson> this is becoming depressing again :)
[00:36:55] <SpallsHurgenson> https://www.yahoo.com
[00:36:56] <Schwifty> ^ 0313 Windows 10 Bugs Microsoft Needs to Fix Right Now
[00:37:04] * SpallsHurgenson goes back to bashing microsoft :)
[00:37:15] <n1> because windows10 is so much more positive!
[00:37:34] <n1> hands up who cant wait to put windows10 on as many systems as possible!
[00:37:54] * n1 watches the tumbleweed
[00:38:32] <Deucalion> still waiting for the dust to settle on that one. There's so much noise about it, it is hard to tell the reality from the blatant FUD crap pieces.
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[00:38:36] <SpallsHurgenson> I have no pity for windows 10 users... "I warned them! But would they listen! Oh no, you knew. Oh, its just a harmless little OS, isn't it?"
[00:39:06] <n1> windows10 probably will be good for certain applications
[00:39:40] <n1> but i really cant see it being worth it for the likes of us
[00:39:55] <SpallsHurgenson> I can't see that it does anything better than win7... or even win8
[00:39:58] <n1> i'm pretty set on windows7 being the last windows i will use, outside of work
[00:40:33] <n1> but by the time Windows7 is EOL, for the work side, more and more will be web based or not OS dependent
[00:40:35] <SpallsHurgenson> I still have faith MS will see the error of their ways... especially since they traditionally haven't been able to hold the line for more than two or three years :)
[00:40:44] <n1> as thats the trajectory we're on
[00:40:52] <n1> and it's the logical conclusion to make the most out of SaaS
[00:41:28] <SpallsHurgenson> in 2018 they'll have made a stunning new revelation (probably two or three years after everyone else) that spying on your customers isn't the best course of action :)
[00:41:34] <SpallsHurgenson> (well, maybe 2020)
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[00:41:40] <Deucalion> I have one Win7 install that I use solely for a car diagnostics program. But yeh - the work place is going to take a long while to wean off the MS chalice. What are scores of managers going to bore each other with if PowerPoint goes away?? They might have to do something productive :D
[00:41:44] <SpallsHurgenson> shh, it's the bot!
[00:41:45] <n1> except the government mandated spying anyway
[00:42:02] <n1> so you'll only have 7 backdoors instead of 8
[00:42:06] <SpallsHurgenson> government spying is done at the hardware level :)
[00:42:07] <n1> progress!
[00:42:13] <n1> it's done at all levels
[00:42:41] <Deucalion> Be calm citizen, I can see you have nothing to hide. Carry On.
[00:42:55] <SpallsHurgenson> http://gizmodo.com
[00:42:56] <Schwifty> ^ 03A Peek Inside the NSA's Spy Gear Catalog
[00:42:57] <n1> Deucalion, for an OBDII?
[00:43:24] <n1> https://www.schneier.com
[00:43:24] <Schwifty> ^ 03GCHQ Catalog of Exploit Tools
[00:43:53] <SpallsHurgenson> that's why I gave up on computers and went back to pen-n-paper
[00:44:00] <SpallsHurgenson> (especially with IRC :)
[00:44:29] <Deucalion> n1, yeh Ross Tech's VCDS (vag-com) for my now ~20 y/o Golf :D I have committed to run the thing until it basically rusts to nothing. Engine and mechanicals are still sound, it's going to be the bastard rust that kill it :(
[00:44:46] <n1> computers is mostly a job at worst, and best a learning tool
[00:44:52] <n1> i have completely lost the passion i had for technology
[00:45:25] <n1> not OBDII then, explains why you need a windows pc for it :D
[00:46:08] <n1> i have one of the generic chinese OBDII readers, works perfectly with various android apps
[00:46:27] <n1> mk3 golf?
[00:47:16] <SpallsHurgenson> mk1 golf... scottish guys rolling decapitated heads into a pit. mk2 golf what tiger woods play mk3 golf robots rolling decapitated heads into a hole
[00:48:42] <n1> if is mk3, they're probably about to start going up in value as they're hitting 'classic' age
[00:49:03] <n1> new generation of people with nostalgia for cars they had when teenagers
[00:51:21] * SpallsHurgenson hates cars and hates driving. I want my damn teleporter already
[00:51:52] <n1> cars are the same as computers, grew up loving them, now it's nothing but frustration.
[00:52:41] <n1> too many speed cameras, bus lane cameras, box junction cameras, red light cameras - insurance costs too much - tax costs too much - fuel costs too much - parts costs too much
[00:53:13] <n1> i wish i could have kept my previous car, but a subframe rusted through forced my hand
[00:53:20] <Deucalion> n1, yes, I think it is OBDII - it's a Golf Mk 3 ~1996. My motoring is utilitarian other than the project car in the garage that is slowly shaping into nutsoid insane.
[00:53:53] <n1> project car top secret?
[00:54:25] <Deucalion> I've talked about it on here before - mostly with swiss as he had similar interests.
[00:55:12] <n1> i dont recall that, may not have been around, is it a complete custom or a modified production car?
[00:57:20] <Deucalion> It's a '91 Nissan Pulsar GTiR. Their rally homologation small hatch (think Sunny). Jap import some years back.
[00:57:49] <SpallsHurgenson> I wish bicycles were a practical option here
[00:58:01] <n1> oh i know the pulsar GTiR well
[00:58:11] <n1> i am a fan of them
[00:59:14] <swiss> aww yeah sr20s
[00:59:33] <Deucalion> Gearboxes are the weak point when tuning them for silly power, no real cure for it either other than going for a dog-box Quaife setup or the like at £££££££'s.
[01:00:17] <n1> i cant think the last time i saw one though, there used to be one around where i grew up
[01:01:57] <n1> i guess they're all hidden away in garages :p
[01:04:03] <Bytram> http://colin.keigher.ca
[01:04:03] <Schwifty> ^ 03Colin Keigher: Geotrust/Symantec has revoked all SSL certificates for .PW TLD domains
[01:04:35] <Bytram> ==> .pw country-code Palau--Micronesia Investment and Development Corporation
[01:08:45] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm having a hard time trying to find a way to blame that on Microsoft
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[01:13:32] <SpallsHurgenson> why do you need to break stff, cmn32480?
[01:13:36] <SpallsHurgenson> I mean, you have kids
[01:14:06] <Deucalion> n1, they are getting long in the tooth, many have been scrapped / stolen over the years as they went through the "worth more in parts" phase. Now values are starting to climb significantly for well maintained / presented examples. They're not exactly eco-friendly mind... single figure MPG when you get on the loud pedal. Grin inducing factor is priceless though.
[01:16:27] <n1> yeah, those 3 things have been bad for many good cars.
[01:17:02] <n1> i'm sure there's a lot of demand for them too, wouldn't like to think of a price on a nice one at current prices
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[01:18:34] <cmn32480|drivin> teamwork++
[01:18:34] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 1
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[01:18:36] <cmn32480|drivin> teamwork++
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[01:18:37] <cmn32480|drivin> teamwork++
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[01:18:39] <cmn32480|drivin> teamwork++
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[01:18:50] <SpallsHurgenson> please stop
[01:18:51] <cmn32480|drivin> teamwork++
[01:18:51] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 11
[01:19:19] <SpallsHurgenson> http://betanews.com hard-coded passwords... when has that ever been a good idea?
[01:19:20] <Schwifty> ^ 03Time to patch your firmware! Backdoor discovered in Seagate NAS drives
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[01:21:45] <n1> never a good idea, but it's used more than not apparently
[01:33:00] <Bytram> makes testing easier when you don't have to go through some shnanigans to figure out what id and pwd you need to use to run each test. :/
[01:33:30] <Bytram> I'm sure they *meant* to change it before they shipped the code.
[02:23:00] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[02:23:02] <exec> 03Boston, MA, USA - currently 80°F, clear, wind SW at 13 mph, humidity 56% - Monday clear (70°F-91°F), Tuesday mostly sunny (71°F-94°F), Wednesday sunny (71°F-90°F), Thursday thunderstorm (67°F-83°F)
[02:23:04] <Deucalion> n1, a good rust free, well fettled Pulsar now changes hands for anything between £3k - £5K. I ran mine for several years at ~350hp/~350lb/ft - and I have had my share of grins out of it.... that's a lot of power in such a light box. Now it is a preservation project as the rust begins to set in. The mechanicals are sound - the SR20DET engine is nigh on indestructable in sane hands. It is not the best handling car - it is too short for that but
[02:23:04] <Deucalion> AWD goes some way to compensate, but it demands a particularly weird driving style, particularly in the wet. slow in fast out seems to be the way to make rapid progress. Meh - it's my stupid hobby project.
[02:24:02] * Bytram once owned a Pulsar watch.
[02:24:19] <Bytram> it was rated at 60 seconds per minute
[02:29:10] <SirFinkus> I once owned a pulsar, it pulsed ever 1.3 seconds
[02:29:14] * SpallsHurgenson read about pulsars while wearing a watch
[02:31:18] * Deucalion whacks Bytram
[02:31:57] * Bytram grins
[02:32:08] <Bytram> unicode++
[02:32:08] <Bender> karma - unicode: 4
[02:39:05] <Deucalion> https://www.youtube.com Pulsar GTiRs are stupidly fast shopping trolley looking hatchbacks. No doubt horrifically unsafe and baby eating or something. They make absolutely no sense in any way. Certainly not a "chick magnet" or a way to make friends with the neighbours given the noise they make. But they are fun little things to tinker with and fettle. Actually thinking on it I think my fettle to drive time ratio must be 100:
[02:39:06] <Deucalion> 1 - it's a hobby more than a car I suppose. :)
[02:39:06] <Schwifty> ^ 03Nissan Pulsar GTI-R vs. Subaru Impreza WRX - YouTube
[02:40:13] <Deucalion> You will pry my garage and tools from my cold dead hands. It is where I am happy. :P
[02:40:18] * Bytram dreams of a souped up, turbocharged cooper mini
[02:41:09] * Bytram has never driven one, mind you, but "The Bourne Identity" sure whetted my interest
[02:41:30] * n1 wants his legacy b4 rsk
[02:41:37] <n1> probably not going to happen though
[02:41:42] <Bytram> rsk?
[02:42:09] <n1> twin turbo awd subaru
[02:42:10] <Bytram> http://au.idigitaltimes.com
[02:42:11] <Schwifty> ^ 03Malware Found Pre-Installed on Xiaomi, Huawei, Lenovo Phones
[02:42:53] <Bytram> AWD can make a huge difference when one has too much horsepower to push through just two wheels.
[02:44:11] <n1> and you can keep your mini, hate those things.
[02:44:34] <Bytram> may I ask why?
[02:44:46] <n1> i think they're too small for a human
[02:45:05] <crutchy> coffee++
[02:45:05] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1632
[02:45:16] <n1> i like small, and short wheelbase cars but the mini takes it too damn far.
[02:45:47] <n1> i get why people like them, and they can be much fun, but personally i dont really like anything about them
[02:45:55] <Bytram> maybe it helps that I'm a not-so-large human?
[02:46:07] <Bytram> then again, like I said, I've never driven one.
[02:46:23] <crutchy> Bytram, isn't that unamerican?
[02:46:25] * SirFinkus pats himself on the back
[02:46:31] <crutchy> 'go large or go home'
[02:46:33] <n1> lol
[02:46:38] <n1> crutchy++
[02:46:38] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 170
[02:46:45] <Bytram> that, and I've prolly put several thousand miles on a bicycle prior to getting a car, so my perspective may be a little bit different
[02:46:56] <Bytram> oh, and I once owned a Geo Tracker
[02:47:04] <crutchy> Bytram, that's terrible
[02:47:18] * crutchy offers Bytram an american-sized hamburger
[02:47:18] <Bytram> crutchy: as far as I know, a Cooper Mini *IS* unamerican!
[02:47:35] <SirFinkus> http://spectrum.ieee.org
[02:47:35] <Schwifty> ^ 03Poison-Injecting Robot Submarine Assassinates Sea Stars to Save Coral Reefs - IEEE Spectrum
[02:47:38] <SirFinkus> but look at this shit
[02:47:39] <SirFinkus> terrifying
[02:48:14] * SirFinkus wants a fiat 500
[02:48:17] <crutchy> fuck
[02:48:31] <crutchy> i can't even hide underwater when ww3 breaks out
[02:48:52] <n1> underwater drones
[02:49:03] <Bytram> the tracker was wicked fun to drive in winter. Was rear-wheel drive. Would put 200lbs of weight over the rear axles to boost traction... but, when making a turn in snow, would start the turn, hit the gas, get the wheels spinning, the rear end would whip right around, let up on the gas, and it would immediately shoot along in the new direction!
[02:49:13] <SirFinkus> I used el reg style headlines for that one
[02:50:02] <crutchy> http://spectrum.ieee.org
[02:50:03] <Schwifty> ^ 03Chinese ‘Unmanned Factory’ Replaces 600 Humans With 60 Robots - IEEE Spectrum
[02:50:35] <crutchy> what's chinese for "ey tek err jeerbs!"
[02:50:53] <SirFinkus> bai king um boa
[02:51:07] <Deucalion> AWD is weird in small cars... too little gas into a wet corner and the thing tries to go straight on into the hedge, too much gas mid corner and well.... backwards into the hedge is the eventuality, slow in - hit max boost mid corner and power out.... juuust right as the horizon comes racing towards you. GRIN. Not easy to drive for sure, but then when was there any fun in easy?
[02:51:28] <n1> where's that comment from the other day about if workers in the US didnt want such high wages, they wouldn't be replaced/outsourced....
[02:51:45] <Bytram> Deucalion: agreed.
[02:53:25] <n1> Deucalion, a deadly mix of understeer and oversteer?
[02:53:48] <Deucalion> n1, property prices signed the death knell for realistic wages. The obsession with property is fatal in both the UK and US.
[02:54:13] <n1> you dont need to tell me lol
[02:54:31] <n1> every house around here is apparently worth half a million £
[02:54:53] <n1> except the ones that are worth from £2-20
[02:54:55] <n1> million that is
[02:55:20] <crutchy> that poison robot is a bit scary :/
[02:55:43] * crutchy returns his crown of thorns sea star camo swimsuit for a refund
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[02:56:03] <n1> you cant hide
[02:56:46] <n1> http://www.underconsideration.com
[02:56:48] <SirFinkus> australians don't just have to worry about venomous sea creatures anymore
[02:57:02] <crutchy> property outside the major cities is pretty good in australia
[02:57:03] <SirFinkus> now the robots are coming
[02:57:07] <n1> https://en.wikipedia.org
[02:57:08] <Schwifty> ^ 03Wiki: USA-247
[02:58:14] <crutchy> SirFinkus, i'm pretty sure australia has venomous sea creatures that have robot killing poisons
[02:58:33] <crutchy> drop-jellyfish
[02:58:52] <SirFinkus> good point
[02:59:29] <SirFinkus> I bet we push starfish evolution to the point where they're robot killing experts
[02:59:42] <SirFinkus> and eventually we need to turn to the starfish to aid in our fight against the terminators
[03:00:04] <crutchy> we've forced them to evolve the jason bourne gene
[03:00:42] <n1> jason bourne terminator starfish?
[03:01:10] <crutchy> (tm)
[03:01:28] <crutchy> bugger. that was a short lunch break
[03:01:35] <crutchy> back to the grindstone :/
[03:01:46] <n1> laters
[03:02:48] <Deucalion> n1, sure, it is a machine that will kill you as soon as look at you. That's the point - tame the beast, LIVE! What is life if one is eternally cosseted in cotton wool? Living a life without risk is akin to being dead and buried already, just waiting for someone to confirm your pulse stopped. Fuck that, always push the comfort envelope and be amazed that actually pretty much anything is achievable when the motivated mind is set to the task. Peop
[03:02:48] <Deucalion> le are too fearful of failure nowadays.... fearing what their friends or neighbours may think if some venture they embark on tanks... shit happens, get up, dust off and go again. I am tired of this defeatist, negative rhetoric. We used to say JFDI. No idea if that is still something that makes any sense.
[03:04:10] <n1> well said
[03:07:36] <n1> as you may already be aware, i can be fairly negative and i'm quite the cynic, but the rhetoric everywhere is apparently all negative. trying to find a positive focus and direction in this mess is not intuitive.
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[03:09:25] <Deucalion> If you haven't failed, you haven't been trying etc. I for one am not prepared to shamble like a zombie to my grave. This is my life, it will not be pre-determined. RAWR.
[03:09:39] <Deucalion> Wow - I sound like and angsty teeny :D :D
[03:09:55] <n1> thats way too positive for an angsty teen
[03:10:00] * Bytram channels Helen Reddy: "I am woman hear me RAWR"!
[03:11:55] <Gravis> Bytram: but are you really woman or did you just want to "RAWR"?
[03:12:32] <Bytram> just a bad pun to make use of the RAWR
[03:12:58] <Bytram> I personally prefer medium-rawr steaks.
[03:13:11] <Bytram> and, with that, I'll let myself out!
[03:13:21] <Bytram> IOW, time for me to hit the hay and call it a night.
[03:13:21] <Gravis> aww...
[03:13:25] <Bytram> =)
[03:13:28] * Gravis disable misogyny mode
[03:13:37] <Gravis> i was all ready and everything!
[03:15:08] <Bytram> g'night everyone!
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[03:19:48] * Deucalion looks around.... straightens a few chairs.... cracks a last beer and lights a cigarette.... yeh, yeh, this shit will kill me.... that's the way we all go eventually.
[03:21:39] <n1> if we're on the titanic
[03:22:50] * SirFinkus rearranges deck chairs
[03:23:34] <Gravis> Deucalion: considering the advancements in technology, it's not completely absurd to think it's possible to become quasi-immortal
[03:26:37] <n1> like futurama or like fallout?
[03:33:08] <Deucalion> Gravis, as much as I sometimes like to let my flights of fancy to venture to immortality to see just what becomes of humanity, the prospect fears me with dread - what if I end up endlessly looking over a barren wasteland caused by the humanity I was observing. That sounds horrifically lonely.... the only sentient being observing a wasteland. OK - that was nihilistic - I should get to bed before I spout more garbage.
[03:33:55] <SirFinkus> I think maybe in a generation or two
[03:34:02] <SirFinkus> but we missed that boat
[03:34:30] <n1> g'night Deucalion
[03:34:43] <n1> it's about that time for me too
[03:35:12] * n1 hat tip to all
[03:35:13] <SirFinkus> I want matrix immortality
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[03:35:21] <SirFinkus> upload me to the server when my body is done
[03:36:08] <Deucalion> SirFinkus, you don't have kids do you? Just a guess.
[03:36:15] <SirFinkus> nope
[03:36:24] <SirFinkus> well, they aren't MY kids
[03:36:30] <SirFinkus> the ones in the basement I mean
[03:36:39] <Deucalion> :P
[03:48:42] <Deucalion> Current teens and early 20-somethings have a very different view of technology IME to what I did growing up. I was an early internet adopter with all that involved. These guys grew up with it all around them and they have a really very different perspective as to how it can be useful. I have always been a staunch "tech is just a tool" guy, then consumerism intervened, now I talk with the new generation/s and all I hear is.... it's just a tool.
[03:48:42] <Deucalion> To be used for good or bad, nothing but a tool. Fascinating that we have gone so quickly from "new thing" to "it just is and always has been".
[03:50:48] <Deucalion> I should probably stop thinking on this :D
[03:57:18] * Deucalion bails out
[03:58:21] <SirFinkus> I think I'm old enough to see that too
[03:58:30] * SirFinkus feels old
[03:58:39] <SirFinkus> damn kids and their ipods
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[07:19:57] <crutchy> http://www.wxyz.com
[07:19:57] <Schwifty> ^ 03Study uncovers the dirtiest spots in planes airports - WXYZ.com
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[09:23:16] <crutchy> 3 comments on SN in the last 2 hours :/
[09:23:40] <SirFinkus> 2:23 am right now
[09:23:47] <SirFinkus> PST
[09:24:48] <crutchy> maybe we need a soylentnews.org.cn :p
[09:25:35] <crutchy> with propaganda mode enabled in slashcode
[09:26:50] <crutchy> its almost like there are different internets separated by language barriers
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[10:15:12] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[10:15:13] <Schwifty> ^ 03The Island Soundtrack My Name Is Lincoln - YouTube
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[11:36:14] <Gravis> crutchy: that's now the same goes with everything else.
[11:36:27] <Gravis> crutchy: and frankly, that's how the people in power want it
[11:39:11] <Gravis> crutchy: they are deathly afraid of losing their precious power... which just seems bizarre.
[12:10:35] <crutchy> Gravis, wtf are you talking about?
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[12:46:49] <Gravis> <crutchy> maybe we need a soylentnews.org.cn :p
[12:46:49] <Gravis> <crutchy> with propaganda mode enabled in slashcode
[12:46:49] <Gravis> <crutchy> its almost like there are different internets separated by language barriers
[12:46:56] <Gravis> crutchy: i'm talking about that ^
[12:48:58] <Gravis> crutchy: if people outside china could write easily speak chinese, china would cut off access to internet outside of china
[12:49:20] <Gravis> crutchy: right now it's easy for them to isolate people because translation programs are really just shit
[12:50:53] <crutchy> oh yeah i guess so
[12:51:35] <crutchy> i don't think poor translation is the fault of the chinese government though
[12:51:59] <crutchy> they might be taking advantage of it nonetheless
[12:53:20] <Gravis> no, it's not there fault. it's simply convenient... but i think their linguistic "preservation" is really their government terrified of external language
[12:53:57] <crutchy> that's sort of part of their culture though
[12:54:10] <crutchy> maybe you could call it xenophobia
[12:54:30] <crutchy> china is a very old civilization
[12:54:52] <Gravis> "China’s state press and publishing body said such words were sullying the purity of the Chinese language. \n It said standardised Chinese should be the norm: the press should avoid foreign abbreviations and acronyms, as well as “Chinglish” – which is a mix of English and Chinese."
[12:55:36] <crutchy> meh. western governments would do the same if chinese started creeping into english
[12:55:39] <Gravis> crutchy: i think it has more to do with people using search terms from the news and getting results that aren't from china
[12:55:55] <crutchy> probably yeah
[12:56:05] <Gravis> crutchy: pff! english steals all the words!
[12:56:57] <crutchy> everyone would be all "WTF!" if chinese started appearing in western newspapers
[12:57:13] <crutchy> which ironically may eventually happen
[12:57:17] <Gravis> crutchy: no they wouldn't because it would be romanized
[12:57:43] <Gravis> nobody freaks out when someone mentions origami
[12:57:48] <Gravis> or haiku
[12:57:59] <crutchy> probably what would happen is there would be english and chinese editions
[12:58:06] <crutchy> separate
[12:58:20] <crutchy> even if they basically said the same thing
[12:58:40] <crutchy> eventually media companies will probably sell more chinese language news
[12:58:50] <Gravis> ha!
[12:59:11] <Gravis> crutchy: i'm going to have to say no, they wont
[12:59:22] <crutchy> you might be right
[13:00:06] <crutchy> anyway, back to my code :)
[13:00:17] <Gravis> well we aren't writing sanskrit, so i'm sure we'll fair fine with chinese
[13:05:03] <McD> Anyone else noticed the RSS/ATOM feeds aren't updating for about 24H now?
[13:06:09] <crutchy> McD, that would explain why the feed in #comments has been so light on for the past few hours
[13:07:03] <crutchy> ~ping devs
[13:07:08] <McD> I'm never sure how popular RSS is any more. Google killed their reader a few years back, and now I'm afraid the huddled masses have all moved to ... I dunno, facebook I guess. :-)
[13:07:10] <crutchy> derp
[13:07:28] <crutchy> paulej72, tmb
[13:07:42] <crutchy> i forget all the damn bot commands :/
[13:08:06] <McD> Aren't they voice-activated? Don't you just holler at the screen?
[13:08:20] <crutchy> lol
[13:09:01] <McD> I should totally script that up for work. "REBOOT, DAMNIT!" && shutdown -r now
[13:09:12] <crutchy> i wish my missus was voice activated
[13:09:27] <McD> Careful, it's a family show.
[13:09:37] <crutchy> heh
[13:13:10] <paulej72> is the rss feed updated now?
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[13:16:05] <crutchy> heh. yeah i think so :p
[13:16:08] <janrinok> hi guys
[13:16:17] <crutchy> #comments is being flooded right now :p
[13:19:13] <crutchy> hmm. not as floody as i though
[13:19:16] <crutchy> *thought
[13:20:22] <crutchy> seems to be working though
[13:20:33] <crutchy> there's lots of new comments
[13:27:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Engineers Refine Protection System for Large Hadron Collider Magnets - http://sylnt.us - don't-misspell-hadron || Eric Raymond Has a Patreon Page - http://sylnt.us - apparently-he-should-have-sold-high || Fiat Chrysler Recalls 8,000 Extra Jeeps Over Remote Control Hacking Worries - http://sylnt.us - its-not-a-problem-but-we-will-change-it - 4 more
[13:28:39] <crutchy> !more
[13:28:39] <Bender> || Asia's Smartphone Addiction - http://sylnt.us - darwin-awards-in-action || Our Musical Instruments May Become Obsolete - http://sylnt.us - or-not || Lawrence Lessig Crowdfunds $1 Million, Launches Presidential Campaign - http://sylnt.us - man-of-the-people || Quebec Doctors Can Now Prescribe Exercise - http://sylnt.us - huff'en'puff || - 3 more
[13:28:42] <crutchy> !more
[13:28:43] <Bender> Moozvine: Crowd Funding for Sci-Fi - http://sylnt.us - innovation-for-sci-fi-nation || Federal Appeals Court Set to Hear Microsoft 'Cloud' Case - http://sylnt.us - it-ain't-over-till-the-fat-lady-sings || The V.C.s of B.C. - http://sylnt.us - prehistoric-finance || Layering Technique Allows for Creating Graphene Fiber That Maintains Conductivity and - 2 more
[13:28:49] <crutchy> !more
[13:28:49] <Bender> Strength - http://sylnt.us - isn't-graphene-what-in-pencils? || It's Official: Darpa Will Build a Flying Aircraft Carrier - http://sylnt.us - flights-of-fantasy || Stonehenge Researchers 'May Have Found Largest Neolithic Site' - http://sylnt.us - stoned || Biking Injuries And Deaths Are Spiking in the US - http://sylnt.us - er,-got-to-keep-fit - 1 more
[13:28:51] <crutchy> !more
[13:28:53] <Bender> || Space Whisky Review: "Hints of Antiseptic Smoke, Rubber and Smoked Fish" - http://sylnt.us - I'll-drink-to-that || Amazon and GoDaddy Sued for Hosting Leaked Ashley Madison Data - http://sylnt.us - its-always-someone-else's-fault
[13:28:55] <crutchy> yay!
[13:29:27] <crutchy> paulej72++
[13:29:27] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 179
[13:40:35] <paulej72> moved slashd to different server and rsync script was not running because it was wating for ssh key to be approved
[13:40:54] <janrinok> hi paulej72 - thx
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[14:19:17] <McD> W00t! paulej72 FTW! Thanks.
[14:20:09] <crutchy> (rsync+ssh)++
[14:20:09] <Bender> karma - (rsync+ssh): 1
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[15:19:36] <SirFinkus> aww, an editor removed my el reg scare caps
[15:22:14] <n1> bastard editors
[15:22:21] <SirFinkus> I bet it was you
[15:22:33] * SirFinkus wonders if the digital liberty tag is still intact
[15:23:01] <n1> what story?
[15:23:35] <SirFinkus> the starfish one
[15:23:42] <SirFinkus> oh shit, shouldn't have told you
[15:24:03] <SirFinkus> killer robots are involved, so it's a digital liberty issue
[15:24:29] <SirFinkus> it's ok, I can just bitch about editorial policy in the comments
[15:25:44] <n1> digital liberty did not survive...
[15:25:58] <SirFinkus> aww, it was worth a shot
[15:26:03] <n1> your story lost it as a tag also
[15:26:06] * n1 rimshot
[15:26:17] <SirFinkus> dohoho
[15:26:56] <SirFinkus> oh, that reminds me, did we have a warrant canary?
[15:27:14] <n1> not that im aware of
[15:27:41] <SirFinkus> oh shit, the site has already been compromised
[15:28:26] <n1> it's a lose-lose
[15:28:49] <n1> we could have one, but if we got served with something, it would probably mandate no material changes are made to the current status of the canary
[15:29:29] <SirFinkus> yeah, but they're fun
[15:29:49] <SirFinkus> I think the loophole there is you sign a copy of a current headline or something
[15:29:59] <n1> i'd suggest you bring that up with Deucalion or mrcoolbp
[15:29:59] <SirFinkus> theoretically they can't force you to update the site
[15:30:13] <SirFinkus> just idle curiosity really
[15:30:18] <mrcoolbp> Who hath summoned me?
[15:30:23] <n1> the point is they'd force you to not update the site
[15:30:26] <n1> sorry for the ping
[15:30:30] <mrcoolbp> lol no prob
[15:30:34] <SirFinkus> don't super care if the NSA knows how much karma I have
[15:30:44] <mrcoolbp> SirFinkus I think we do have a canary, hang on
[15:30:48] <SirFinkus> yeah n1, so you stop posting current headlines
[15:31:06] <SirFinkus> it's the "super literal asshole" interpretation of the order
[15:31:09] <n1> that could just mean editorial went out on the town for the night
[15:31:13] <n1> hangovers all around
[15:32:13] <n1> we can follow accepted practice, but really, until it actually becomes relevant, only then will we know what we can and should be doing about it
[15:33:28] <mrcoolbp> where the hell did he put it, NCommander put up a canary I thought but I'm not finding it
[15:33:37] <SirFinkus> uh oh
[15:33:41] <mrcoolbp> lol
[15:33:43] <n1> for all we know, when we did get something, it could be a new version NSL or something, which has a whole different legal standing to the ones that came before
[15:33:44] * SirFinkus plays scare chord
[15:33:57] <n1> or that what we'd be told anyway, because how would we know, as the previous ones are not available?
[15:34:02] <mrcoolbp> I'm pretty sure I would know if we got one guys = )
[15:34:13] <n1> but would you be allowed to tell us?
[15:34:14] <SirFinkus> but you couldn't tell us if you had
[15:34:25] <mrcoolbp> n1: I could probably tell you
[15:34:26] * SirFinkus reads into the emoticon
[15:35:03] <n1> it would be an interesting situation, which is what i meant before
[15:35:11] <n1> until it happens, if it does, how we deal with it is really completely unknown
[15:35:23] <n1> the warrant canary is a nice touch, but little more than PR if shit gets serious
[15:35:27] <SirFinkus> https://cms-images.idgesg.net
[15:35:41] <SirFinkus> see, they used a smiley here too
[15:36:12] <SirFinkus> but a different smiley, what does it all mean?
[15:36:20] <SirFinkus> they're changing... innovating
[15:37:23] * SirFinkus adds more photographs, yarn, and pushpins to his wall
[15:38:35] <n1> i dont have a big enough wall anymore
[15:38:38] * mrcoolbp found it
[15:38:38] <mrcoolbp> https://soylentnews.org
[15:38:40] <Schwifty> ^ 03SN article: Expanding SN: Adding Community Nexuses 04(77 comments)
[15:39:12] <mrcoolbp> at the bottom of the page
[15:39:15] <mrcoolbp> HAH, told ya
[15:41:51] <n1> probably should be somewhere more visible
[15:42:54] <mrcoolbp> like a static page somewhere?
[15:44:02] <n1> mhm
[15:59:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> doesn't really matter. we don't do much in the way of user logging for a warrant to get at.
[16:00:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> unless they want info on one of the admins/editors
[16:02:24] <cmn32480> I'm back on the road. Will try to check back in tonight!
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[16:08:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh to computers. i'm going fishing.
[16:12:22] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard: hi to you - have a good fish!
[16:35:48] <n1> TheMightyBuzzard++
[16:35:48] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 181
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[18:58:23] <McD> Hey - popped back in to point out that the RSS/ATOM feed seems to have halted again...
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[19:08:23] <FrogBlast> Weeeeeeeeee
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[22:17:34] <crutchy> ~api
[22:17:36] <exec> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[22:19:09] <crutchy> ~api m=user op=get_uid nick=sirfinkus
[22:19:12] <exec> 02{ "uid" : null }
[22:19:20] <crutchy> ~api m=user op=get_uid nick=sir finkus
[22:19:23] <exec> 02{ "uid" : "192" }
[22:19:46] <crutchy> ~api m=user op=get_user uid=192 karma
[22:19:49] <exec> 02{ "people" : { "1" : { "2792" : 1, "881" : 1, "2" : 1, "179" : 1, "1862" : 1, "993" : 1, "18" : 1, "443" : 1 }, "5" : { "4468" : { "179" : 1 }, "1716" : { "2792" : 1 }, "186" : { "2792" : 1, "1862" : 1 }, "2357" : { "1862" : 1 }, "58" : { "2" : 1, "2792" : 1, "179" : 1, "18" : 1 }, "3902" : { "1862" : 1 }, "18" : { "881" : 1, "1862" : 1, "179" : 1 }, "7" : { "179" : 1 }, "3711" : { "2792" : 1 }, "552" : { "1862" : 1, "881" : 1 }, "1601" : { "2792
[22:19:54] <crutchy> derp
[22:20:04] <McD> Hey crutchy, how did you ping devs earlier? RSS/ATOM is down again.
[22:20:25] <crutchy> paulej72, TheMightyBuzzard
[22:20:29] <crutchy> ^^^^
[22:20:49] <crutchy> i think there is a bot command but i can't remember it
[22:20:50] <McD> Roger that, I'll try to message him.
[22:21:00] <crutchy> can also use ~tell
[22:21:04] <crutchy> or $tell
[22:21:06] <crutchy> or whatever
[22:21:09] <crutchy> ~tel
[22:21:11] <crutchy> derp
[22:21:13] <crutchy> ~tell
[22:21:15] <exec> message saved
[22:21:18] <crutchy> :/
[22:22:37] <crutchy> ~tell
[22:22:38] <exec> syntax: ~tell <nick> <message>
[22:23:18] <crutchy> ~api m=user op=get_user uid=192 /karma
[22:23:21] <exec> 0250
[22:23:45] <crutchy> ^^^ NSA
[22:23:50] <crutchy> :p
[22:24:55] * crutchy wonders if there are any SN users with karma below 50
[22:25:21] <crutchy> coffee++
[22:25:21] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1633
[22:25:26] <crutchy> ++coffee
[22:25:26] <Schwifty> Karma - coffee: 293
[22:25:48] * crutchy sighs
[22:25:54] <crutchy> off to woripoos i go :(
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[23:42:19] <SpallsHurgenson> I feel like I should be on strong drugs while watching this https://vimeo.com
[23:42:20] <Schwifty> ^ 03Haneda Airport Tilt Shift and Time Lapse on Vimeo
[23:58:20] * SpallsHurgenson hungers
[23:58:30] <Deucalion> for what?