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[00:50:55] * SpallsHurgenson is avoiding doing what he is supposed to be doing by doing any other things he can find to do
[01:01:58] * TheMightyBuzzard is avoiding doing anything productive at all by dicking around on the internet
[01:02:20] <SpallsHurgenson> you can do so much on the internet if you have bandwidth!
[01:02:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, you only need that for porn
[01:02:35] <SpallsHurgenson> I suddenly see the value of things like DropBox!
[01:03:12] <SpallsHurgenson> I can understand why people pay for Netflix (and not the send-me-a-DVD service Netflix)
[01:04:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, yeah. i spose that's useful if you're into paying for things
[01:04:42] <SpallsHurgenson> fine. then I realize the utility of torrents!
[01:05:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> there ya go. yo ho ho n all that shit
[01:05:08] <SpallsHurgenson> (you know, for downloading Linux .ISOs ;-)
[01:06:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd say download the SN dev VM iso but nc and pj won't make a current one
[01:07:18] <SpallsHurgenson> I could become one of those guys who just keeps sharing the file!
[01:07:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[01:07:37] <SpallsHurgenson> whats it called... a seed
[01:08:05] * SpallsHurgenson will gladly share his seed to any soylenters who ask for it
[01:08:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... my glass is full of the wrong liquid
[01:08:16] * chromas spills SpallsHurgenson
[01:10:06] <SpallsHurgenson> don't worry; I'll just go back online so its not like it will be lost. my seed is sticky.
[01:10:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> do the stuff i spend on beer, re the guy who sells me beer, mi the guy who drinks the beer, fa a long way to go get beer, so i think i'll have another beer, la ts and lots and lots of beer, ti no thanks i'm drinking beer...
[01:11:20] * SpallsHurgenson understood none of that... but I have a sudden craving for beer
[01:11:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> best sung in a homer simpson voice
[01:11:57] <SpallsHurgenson> I can't remember the last time I saw the simpsons
[01:12:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;socialist SpallsHurgenson
[01:12:17] <MrPlow> SpallsHurgenson, you're a socialist!
[01:12:28] <SpallsHurgenson> quite!
[01:14:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, good. glass no longer has tea in it. now i can fill it with beer.
[01:14:57] <SpallsHurgenson> ;tea-drinker TheMightBuzzard
[01:15:13] <SpallsHurgenson> aww, it no work for me :(
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[01:22:52] * SpallsHurgenson quickly changes the subject
[01:23:12] <BadCoderFinger> Hey Spalls
[01:23:29] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, BadCoderFinger! I didn't notice you come in! :)
[01:26:02] <BadCoderFinger> Mentioning my demeanor?
[01:26:51] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, no no no; we weren't discussing you, why would you think that? No...we were discussing... erm... tea! yeah, that's it!
[01:29:28] <BadCoderFinger> Decent tea, I hope. Life's too short for cheap stuff.
[01:30:11] <SpallsHurgenson> oh yeah, sure sure, of course. Long discussions about tea. Almost nothing about you or those embarassing things you did.
[01:31:21] <BadCoderFinger> Lucky those things aren't on the internet, then.
[01:32:24] <SpallsHurgenson> indeed, we wouldn't know as we were in no way sharing the video of the incident
[01:34:40] <SpallsHurgenson> But enough about your semi-illegal habits of which we are completely in the dark, let's discuss something else
[01:35:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> Alaskan Amber is a damned fine beer
[01:35:35] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, I like it.
[01:35:46] <BadCoderFinger> And hey TMB
[01:36:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> we gotta bootleg it from texas cause they don't ship it this far east as far as i can tell.
[01:38:57] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, TN pretty much just has both kinds of beer: Bud and Bud Light.
[01:39:22] <SpallsHurgenson> what, no Zima?
[01:40:35] <BadCoderFinger> Ew!
[01:41:07] <SpallsHurgenson> truly the king of... erm... whatever the hell Zima is supposed to be
[01:41:48] <BadCoderFinger> Alcoholic sprite. Anybody who thinks it wasn't marketed to kids is an idiot.
[01:42:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> i thought it was marketed to chicks and prissy little douches
[01:42:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> then again, most of the chicks i hung with back then drank whiskey
[01:43:10] <BadCoderFinger> Heh
[01:43:36] <BadCoderFinger> The chicks I hung out with back then drank wine coolers spiked with vodka.
[01:43:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> had a thing for punk chicks. they didn't do prissy.
[01:44:09] <BadCoderFinger> Back when punk rock was still punk rock.
[01:44:12] <SpallsHurgenson> women I knew started with umbrella drinks but quickly moved to shots
[01:44:51] <SpallsHurgenson> mind you, some of those umbrella drinks are really loaded up with booze...
[01:44:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> while getting them drunk is the important thing, it's nice to be able to stand being around them while they're getting there.
[01:45:33] <SpallsHurgenson> getting them drunk was never my goal (in fact, I dislike inebriated women)... but it seemed to be theirs :)
[01:46:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, getting me drunk was equally important.
[01:49:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> i miss punk chicks. there's a lot to be said for a chick who you actually have to be worried about unarmed violence from.
[01:50:09] <Gravis> what's the point of allowing people to post as AC?
[01:50:34] <Gravis> i see no upside to allowing ACs to post
[01:50:38] <SpallsHurgenson> only Punker I knew was a drummer for a punk band. Looked scary as hell but was one of the sweetest people I knew
[01:50:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, lot of reasons.
[01:50:59] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: name them
[01:51:42] <SpallsHurgenson> accessibility to passer-throughs, anonymity for people who wish to pass on information that might harm them personally
[01:51:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> whistleblowers of all stripes is enough to justify it by my mind.
[01:52:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> but there are all sorts of things that you don't want your boss or spouse or what have you being able to tie back to you.
[01:52:27] <SpallsHurgenson> the loss of anonymous conversations in (most of) today's internet is a shame
[01:52:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> and then there's the meritocracy that anonymity brings
[01:53:07] <SpallsHurgenson> and honestly, I don't see that "non-anonymous" people necessarily act any better
[01:53:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can't ignore someone just because you dislike them because you can't tell who they are.
[01:53:29] <SpallsHurgenson> TMB: good point. The value is on the message, not necessarily the messenger
[01:53:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> you have to weigh the merit of their comment on itself alone.
[01:53:53] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: really, whistleblowers? what is this, wikileaks?
[01:54:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, there are things NC, for example, could have said about canonical as AC that would have gotten him fired as NC
[01:54:37] <Gravis> SpallsHurgenson: nobody wants to read what a "passer-through" has to say.
[01:54:51] <SpallsHurgenson> if they have something worth saying, I do
[01:54:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, ditto
[01:55:28] <SpallsHurgenson> just because somebody isnt' a regular of the community doesn't mean their thoughts aren't worth hearing
[01:55:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> only those hung up on the cult of personality or who want to ignore vast swaths of comments because of their origin have reason to object to anonymity.
[01:55:41] <Gravis> SpallsHurgenson: when has an AC ever had something worth saying? -_-
[01:55:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, MOST of our regulars are AC. roughly 10:1
[01:56:21] <Gravis> and plenty of them are a pain in the ass
[01:56:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> so are you but we aren't gonna keep you from posting =P
[01:56:42] <Gravis> the problem is i can't ignore there dumb asses
[01:56:49] <SpallsHurgenson> I mostly read the green site, but there have been a number of great comments that bubbled up from the -1 AC swamp and were well worth reading
[01:57:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, you have to take their comments on the merits of the words
[01:57:10] <SpallsHurgenson> +meanwhile, a lot of registered users are proven trolls and troublemakers
[01:57:22] * TheMightyBuzzard waves his hand
[01:57:25] <Gravis> SpallsHurgenson: and those people are easy to ignore!
[01:57:49] <SpallsHurgenson> so are the ACs, especially if there is a strong community to police the comments. Perhaps soylent needs a better community?
[01:57:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, echo chambers are bad. we will never have them.
[01:58:18] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: the words of an AC rarely have any merit.
[01:58:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, most every story with more than 20 comments has at least one AC comment worth reading
[01:58:45] <SpallsHurgenson> 90% of comments rarely have any merit
[01:59:26] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: then what's wrong with having them register to be heard?
[01:59:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> aside from losing 90% of our userbase?
[01:59:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> plenty
[01:59:50] <SpallsHurgenson> if you don't like ACs, don't read at -1?
[02:00:21] <Gravis> SpallsHurgenson: i have ACs set at -6. the problem is that people that respond to them bring their dumb comments to the surface.
[02:00:39] <SpallsHurgenson> so the problem isn't the ACs :)
[02:00:57] <Gravis> SpallsHurgenson: if there were no ACs, there would be no problem.
[02:01:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> i get that you want to be able to screen your delicate sensibilities but not being able to is a large part of why people come here.
[02:01:23] <SpallsHurgenson> because there wouldn't be any stupid comments without ACs?
[02:01:46] <SpallsHurgenson> I mean, have you BEEN on the Internet? :)
[02:02:18] <Gravis> SpallsHurgenson: that's not it at all. because if they are registered, i can mark each person individually based on the content of their posts
[02:02:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> seriously though, while anyone still listens to my voice, i will not be silent upon the issue of never allowing echo chambers to exist here.
[02:02:53] <SpallsHurgenson> you already said that (said that, said that:)
[02:03:24] * TheMightyBuzzard trout smacks SpallsHurgenson
[02:04:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> echo chambers are the worst possible thing that can happen to a free and open forum. worse even than it simply being abandoned.
[02:04:14] <SpallsHurgenson> I agree!
[02:04:31] <SpallsHurgenson> (no, not the trout again!)
[02:05:17] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: wanting to filter out AC's that post bile like "Mining is shit work for fucking yellow people" isn't asking for an echochamber.
[02:05:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> the same people who post dreg like that also post insightful shat.
[02:05:49] <chromas> Isn't that covered by moderation?
[02:06:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> they have to or they hit the downmod floor based on ipid and can't post again for a while.
[02:06:49] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: exactly
[02:07:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> but the insightful shat makes up for nonsense on a more than 1:1 ratio
[02:07:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> noise is easy to ignore as long as you can still see the signal
[02:08:21] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: sure... but if they don't post AC, they can post based on their merits.
[02:09:03] <Gravis> if you are going to have ACs, you need to be able to distinguish them from each other.
[02:09:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's not a bad idea, thought about doing like techdirt with their different colored snowflakes.
[02:09:35] <SpallsHurgenson> identifiable ACs?
[02:09:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> or something resembling it
[02:09:54] <Gravis> that's all i'm asking
[02:09:56] <SpallsHurgenson> that hurts my brain
[02:10:12] <SpallsHurgenson> assholes who abuse AC will just game the system even more
[02:10:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, we talked about it on a per article basis. like assign the first ac to post 1, the second 2, etc
[02:10:42] <Gravis> SpallsHurgenson: maybe... but then i'll be justified in their murders. ;)
[02:10:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> never polished it enough to write up though
[02:11:02] <SpallsHurgenson> still am wary about even marginally breaking anonymity like that
[02:11:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> not for muting dissent or silencing noise even but so you could tell if it was the ac you replied to you who replied back.
[02:11:31] <Gravis> SpallsHurgenson: what's so important about anonymity?
[02:11:45] <chromas> !grab Gravis
[02:11:45] <Bender> Added quote 558
[02:11:49] <SpallsHurgenson> I think the problem isn't the ACs; idiotic comments get modded down. If they are "bubbling up" its because registered users are feeding the trolls
[02:12:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> us admin types can already tell which ac is which. there's a hash of their ip called an ipid that we see beside every user/AC
[02:12:58] <Gravis> at the very least, it shouldn't require mod points to mod down yet another AC
[02:13:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, anonymous speech has long, as in since the founding of this country, been held to be an integral part of freedom of speech.
[02:13:38] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: wrong motherfucker. there is nothing about anonymous speech in the constitution or related documents.
[02:13:53] * TheMightyBuzzard quirks an eyebrow
[02:14:03] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: it's the freedom of speech, not the freedom from repercussions.
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[02:14:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, generally i don't give a flying fuck about cursing but watch who you're motherfuckering.
[02:15:23] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: oh, who has delicate sensibilities now? ;P
[02:15:32] <Deucalion> Hey motherfuckers.... y'all watch you y'all motherfuckering around here... y'all in my house now!
[02:15:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's a difference between using it as spice for language and calling someone a cocksucker.
[02:16:11] * TheMightyBuzzard trout smacks Deucalion too
[02:16:39] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: no, you misunderstand. i accused you for having copulating with a mother of children.
[02:16:51] <Gravis> -for+of
[02:17:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> ...for example
[02:17:12] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: your mother. ;P
[02:18:02] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: anyway, anonymous speech is not part of the constitution or any other legal documents of the time.
[02:18:14] <SpallsHurgenson> sort of a moot point anyway; the community as a whole has weighed in in favor of ACs (not the least by the fact that, apparently, 90% of the community is made up of ACs :)
[02:18:16] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: care to refute that?
[02:18:28] * Deucalion dries glasses behind the bar..... hopes folks keep it civil
[02:18:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NSA Network Security Code Appears on GitHub - http://sylnt.us - how-can-you-not-trust-the-NSA
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[02:19:10] * Gravis breaks the glass in Deucalion's hands
[02:19:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> case law and prior to drafting discussions it was held important
[02:19:19] <Gravis> Deucalion: that is NOT how you clean a glass!
[02:19:40] * SpallsHurgenson cleans glasses with a shotgun
[02:19:42] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: they were also private discussions held in private
[02:20:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> and?
[02:20:25] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: SN is more public than private.
[02:20:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> i certainly hope it stays that way too
[02:21:10] <Gravis> i agree... which is why anon trolls need to be destroyed
[02:21:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> not gonna happen
[02:22:01] <SpallsHurgenson> and thank god for that
[02:22:22] <Gravis> i may not be able to stop their bile from hitting the site but i should be able to not get hit by it
[02:22:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> sorry, we're more wild west than safe space.
[02:23:48] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: horseshit. you are protecting them because if i used AC status to flood the site you would identify and block me.
[02:24:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> not that we haven't talked about it. we have. and it was pretty much unanimous against safening up the place.
[02:24:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, no, the moderators would downmod you until you couldn't post anymore. your fellow users, not admins.
[02:24:43] <Gravis> i'm not trying to make it "safer", i'm trying to not have some idiot from vomitting on my shoes every time i walk past.
[02:25:12] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: wrong again. i can simply run them out of mod points.
[02:25:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> admins would have to go in and do a manual sql query to block you, which would be a pain and only doable by me or pj or nc really.
[02:25:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, nah. one or two spam mods and you're in troll jail.
[02:25:52] * SpallsHurgenson notes the names of the three people really not to piss off :)
[02:26:03] <SpallsHurgenson> (everybody else is fair game though :)
[02:26:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, would be too much of a bother. i'd have to find out how to do it first.
[02:26:21] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: troll jail? but if i'm posting as AC, there is no tracking me.
[02:26:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> the whole blocking of acs system is a leftover from slashdot.
[02:26:45] * SpallsHurgenson scratches TMB's name off the list then
[02:26:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, every AC is tracked by their ip
[02:26:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> well a hash of it anyway
[02:27:05] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: and why isn't this accessible to users?
[02:27:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> and there's an automagic system that watches their karma and stops them from posting if they go below a floor.
[02:28:00] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: have you blocked Tor and proxies?
[02:28:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, like i've said, we've talked about it. we just never came up with a fully fleshed out way to do it.
[02:28:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, no, we in fact have a tor domain name
[02:28:38] <crutchy> hey hoo
[02:28:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> which gave us problems because everyone using it had the same ipid
[02:28:47] <crutchy> are we talking about blocking AC's?
[02:28:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya
[02:29:11] <Gravis> crutchy: more like making them identifiable so that they can be blocked
[02:29:23] <crutchy> oh
[02:29:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy always posts ac even though he has at least one account
[02:29:29] <crutchy> like by ipid?
[02:29:41] <Gravis> crutchy: yep
[02:29:47] <crutchy> i guess that seems like a good idea
[02:29:59] <crutchy> can block specific trolls without blocking other ACs
[02:30:08] <Gravis> that is what i'm asking for
[02:30:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> downmod them and it'll happen. specially with proper spam.
[02:30:46] <crutchy> maybe just a 'block this user' link (without showing anything about their ip)
[02:30:57] <Gravis> "proper spam" is not the issue. it's hateful biggots.
[02:31:46] <crutchy> tmb, i think he means just hiding posts by specific ipid as a user setting (so not for everyone)
[02:31:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, no way.
[02:32:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm personally against allowing it even through the friends/foes system but shurg
[02:32:36] <crutchy> problem is it does have some privacy issues (relates AC posts to a specific user)
[02:32:55] <Deucalion> Gravis, you seem intent on denying anonymised free speech. Do you wish to just not see those yourself or to starve them from the oxygen of being seen by everyone else as well because you have a problem with them?
[02:32:56] <Gravis> crutchy: cost of using internet.
[02:33:05] <SpallsHurgenson> should be per article then
[02:33:14] <crutchy> Gravis, same could be said to you
[02:33:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> see, there's a certain type of people that cannot stand dissent and classify any as hate speech
[02:33:21] <crutchy> internet has trolls. deal with it
[02:33:36] <Gravis> Deucalion: wrong! i'm intent on denying anonymised bigotry and trolls.
[02:34:12] <crutchy> if you wanna post comments without risk of someone disagreeing, there are likely thousands of circle-jerk sites out there
[02:34:29] <Gravis> again, this is not about people disagreeing with me
[02:34:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> even should we allow you to use a system like that entirely properly, we allow douchebags who cannot tollerate dissent to never have to hear it. which ruins good discussions.
[02:34:43] <crutchy> Gravis, how do you define 'troll'?
[02:34:59] <chromas> or bigot :)
[02:35:35] <Gravis> crutchy: things like "Mining is shit work for fucking yellow people."
[02:35:46] <crutchy> lol
[02:35:50] <crutchy> that's nothing dude
[02:35:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, cause like i don't give a crap about trannies doing their thing but i'm not gonna call someone something they're not just because they want me to
[02:36:20] <crutchy> Gravis, are you new to the internet or something?
[02:36:43] <Gravis> crutchy: of coarse there are worse things. did i say that was the worst?
[02:36:47] <SpallsHurgenson> Mining /is/ shit work for yellow people. Also for brown people, red people and white people. I wouldn't wish that career on anyone :)
[02:37:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> if crutchy wants to trans into a chick, more power to him. i'm still using male pronouns though and a lot of people would say that's hate speech.
[02:37:13] <crutchy> Gravis, just saying maybe you shouldn't let stupid shit like that get to you
[02:37:26] <Gravis> crutchy: like i should block it out somehow
[02:37:35] <Gravis> crutchy: if only there were some way to block it
[02:37:36] <Gravis> out
[02:37:36] <crutchy> just ignore it
[02:37:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, there's this thing you can do with your brain...
[02:38:05] <crutchy> you mentioned cost... trolls are the cost of free speech
[02:38:21] <Deucalion> Gravis, the community moderates themselves on SN. We will provide tools to assist people to not see what they do not want to see (moderation etc.), however SN is never going to censure nor take a position on the lines between what divides strong opinion from say bigotry or trolling. It is not for us to judge.... we are not arbiters, we build a site, the community make it what it is. By all means make suggestions how Moderation and associated us
[02:38:21] <Deucalion> er tools could be improved - always welcome. Asking for top-down censure... not going to go down well here and not going to happen.
[02:38:30] <SpallsHurgenson> don't read -1 moderated posts. If it bubbles up, its because others (which is to say, registered users) feel it IS worth discussing
[02:38:50] <Gravis> crutchy: people have different thresholds for unpleasantness. i'm just looking for less pain.
[02:39:00] <Gravis> SpallsHurgenson: it's not always moderated -1
[02:39:03] * crutchy breaks out the mini violin
[02:39:19] <SpallsHurgenson> that's because registered users moderated it up because they feel it IS worth discussing
[02:39:36] <crutchy> if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen dude
[02:39:44] <Gravis> SpallsHurgenson: no, it's because nobody has moderated it at all
[02:39:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, we do need more people to moderate
[02:40:09] <SpallsHurgenson> if nobody moderated it, it would be at -1 because that's where ACs automatically go
[02:40:14] <SpallsHurgenson> (or is it 0?)
[02:40:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's not like we don't give out enough points for them to do so
[02:40:20] <Gravis> crutchy: why get out when i can just burn it down. ;)
[02:40:23] <SpallsHurgenson> (anyway, just don't read whatever mod level ACs are stuck at)
[02:40:25] <Deucalion> Gravis, then suggest how to improve things. We will not stifle speech.
[02:40:33] <crutchy> Gravis, have you come across ethanol-fueled?
[02:40:46] <Gravis> crutchy: and blocked him immediately
[02:40:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> he's funny
[02:40:57] <crutchy> burn it down lol... sounds like a socialist policy :p
[02:41:13] * Deucalion feels burnt
[02:41:16] <crutchy> 'do as we say or we'll fuck you up'
[02:41:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, Gravis is a robotic socialist utopian.
[02:41:36] <Deucalion> oh... that kind of socialism...
[02:41:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> we have fun arguments about it some times
[02:42:07] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: oh please, you can't even understand what i tell you
[02:42:08] <crutchy> i guess its no worse than religion
[02:42:13] <Gravis> utopian... pfff
[02:42:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> see, fun
[02:42:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, not having to work ever is pretty utopian
[02:42:33] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you earned this level of respect.
[02:42:48] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: no, it's not
[02:43:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you say so, dude
[02:43:09] * crutchy steals some of TheMightyBuzzard's respect... cos he's in the respect 1% and its not fair... i'm taking it "for the greater good"
[02:43:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> it'd be high on my list for utopia
[02:43:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;socialist crutchy
[02:43:23] <MrPlow> crutchy, you're a socialist!
[02:43:36] <crutchy> .flip
[02:43:37] <exec> (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
[02:43:42] <crutchy> .socialist TheMightyBuzzard
[02:43:43] <exec> TheMightyBuzzard, YOU'RE a SOCIALIST!
[02:43:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> libertarian debates are fun
[02:44:05] <crutchy> i feel liberated now :p
[02:44:06] <Deucalion> Gravis, perhaps you would like to lay out your manifesto...... it would of course be polite if everyone shut while they did... ~shrug~ no chance of that in here :D
[02:44:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> Deucalion, i could go have a smoke or watch porn if you like
[02:44:51] <Gravis> Deucalion: no need. i've explained it before and TheMightyBuzzard can't see past his nose.
[02:44:53] <Deucalion> Only if they agree to lay out their position in full
[02:44:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> or get some more SJWs to block me on twitter, that's always fun.
[02:45:28] <SpallsHurgenson> I'd wager TMB understands... he just doesn't agree :)
[02:45:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> <--- Smrt
[02:46:00] <crutchy> socialism isn't rocket science... it's just corrupt
[02:46:27] <Deucalion> Gravis, I've not seen you explain it before, in full. I'll happily mute the channel and give you the floor for as long as you need to air it. Then open it back up for discussion after. You in?
[02:46:47] <Deucalion> .op
[02:46:47] -!- mode/#Soylent [+o Deucalion] by Imogen
[02:47:01] <crutchy> .socialist Deucalion
[02:47:02] <exec> Deucalion, YOU'RE a SOCIALIST!
[02:47:04] <crutchy> :p
[02:47:17] <Gravis> Deucalion: i'll pass. it would be a waste of my time.
[02:47:33] <Deucalion> OK then
[02:47:38] <crutchy> maybe put it in a journal
[02:48:28] <Gravis> crutchy: why would i bother explaining to noone?
[02:48:29] <SirFinkus> oh shit, I missed drama
[02:48:37] <crutchy> most my journals are just code related crap, but seems appropriate for getting personal views out there too
[02:48:55] <crutchy> people who share your views might comment
[02:49:05] <Deucalion> ~sighs~
[02:49:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> journals get read, there's even an rss feed for them
[02:49:10] <crutchy> journals have their own comments
[02:49:11] <Deucalion> .deop
[02:49:11] -!- mode/#Soylent [-o Deucalion] by Imogen
[02:49:16] <SirFinkus> I read journals rather often
[02:49:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[02:49:18] <Schwifty> ^ 03Homer Simpson sings Tubthumping - YouTube
[02:50:26] <crutchy> i think if you make a journal it also spams your friend list
[02:50:45] <crutchy> so they'll know its there
[02:50:48] <Gravis> it does which i think is really rude
[02:51:18] <SirFinkus> can't you turn that off?
[02:51:25] <crutchy> its a good way to keep track of what your friends are up to i guess
[02:51:28] * TheMightyBuzzard shrugs
[02:51:32] <SirFinkus> anyway, that's one of the reasons I friend people anyway
[02:51:34] <SirFinkus> feature for me
[02:51:40] <crutchy> yeah me too
[02:52:14] <crutchy> if someone is spam-journaling you can unfriend them
[02:52:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> what, like takyon?
[02:52:35] <crutchy> it just means they'll spite you forever :p
[02:52:55] <crutchy> heh my journal was spammy for a while
[02:53:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, yes it was
[02:53:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> taks too while he was working on that editors' userscript
[02:54:06] <Gravis> seems like there should be a way to toggle being informed of new entries
[02:54:20] <crutchy> should make another one, cos i been fkin around with irciv a bit more
[02:54:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> if there's not there definitely should be, yeah
[02:55:13] <crutchy> ~rehash-issue
[02:55:14] <exec> syntax: ~slashcode/rehash/exec-issue <title>, <body>
[02:58:07] <chromas> https://soylentnews.org
[02:58:08] <Schwifty> ^ 03Log In
[02:58:30] <Gravis> btw, a problem with ACs is that you waste all your mod points on them and then some jackass mods up a troll: https://soylentnews.org
[02:58:31] <SirFinkus> I really should get that old mac pro running
[02:58:31] <Schwifty> ^ 03SN comment by [02Anonymous Coward] (02Score:1, Insightful)
[02:59:20] <Gravis> it shouldn't require points to mod down an AC
[02:59:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> that was arguably not a troll
[03:00:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> apparently someone agreed and modded it up
[03:00:53] <Gravis> racism isn't a troll?
[03:01:00] * SpallsHurgenson is seriously considering the Elder Scrolls MMO...
[03:01:10] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: are you serious?
[03:01:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, you obviously didn't read past the first sentence. that was a dig at america not "yellow people"
[03:01:20] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you think racism is a valid point?
[03:01:30] <Deucalion> Gravis, hit up the rehash github (linked from the front page of the site) and submit an "Issue" with Suggestion in the topic. We do our best, but we're not perfect... who the hell is... if you see room for improvement, suggest it, get it on record, then we can aggregate suggestions on how to improve and figure out what direction to go. It's in your hands as much as it is ours.
[03:03:18] <SirFinkus> hmm, any amiga people?
[03:03:25] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: internet law says otherwise. ;)
[03:03:34] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, I used to be an Amiga guy.
[03:03:38] <SirFinkus> wondering if I could put amigaOS on a ppc mac pro
[03:03:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, internet law is written by whiny bitches then
[03:03:47] <SirFinkus> just for giggles and shits
[03:04:00] <Gravis> Poe's Law is a valid point
[03:04:08] <Deucalion> TheMightyBuzzard, Gravis I would rate that comment Flamebait. It's not a Troll as it has no finesse. It's not Spam because that is reserved for gratuitous spammy advert or HOSTS file crud.
[03:04:25] <SirFinkus> yeah, I don't think it's spam
[03:04:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> Deucalion, agreed.
[03:04:27] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, you used to be able to. I think the old version of AmigaOne would install with a little fudgery.
[03:04:29] <SirFinkus> complete trash, but not spam
[03:04:45] <Deucalion> Did "Troll" gain a new meaning while I took 99 winks?
[03:04:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> matter of fact, i'll do that now
[03:05:07] <SirFinkus> hmm, I might need to look into it BadCoderFinger
[03:05:08] <SpallsHurgenson> god save us from the amigites... they need to get their heads out of the past and move on with the times... to MS DOS!
[03:05:30] <BadCoderFinger> Hey, hey, it was a fun computer!
[03:05:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> Deucalion, lot of folks don't know the difference between troll, flamebait, and something that pisses them off.
[03:06:06] <SirFinkus> I can put it on my resume
[03:06:48] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: the differences are usually subtle.
[03:07:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> unfortunately. i've seen some really good trolls though. like Trump.
[03:07:44] <SpallsHurgenson> hmmm... come to think of it, I do have a PPC Mac lying around...
[03:08:02] <SpallsHurgenson> probably still too modern for AmigOS
[03:08:05] * Deucalion steps away from that cauldron TheMightyBuzzard. I refuse to be drawn into eye of SJW and toe of Gamergate. I'm going way over there >>>>> where the mechanics are.
[03:08:08] <Gravis> SpallsHurgenson: i have two nice PPC Mac servers. :)
[03:08:14] <SirFinkus> holy shit, amiga kit is just south of 3k
[03:08:38] <Gravis> SirFinkus: bloatware. ---
[03:08:40] <Gravis> -_-
[03:08:43] <SirFinkus> it has a xorro slot though
[03:08:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> dude reversed his position on every single issue from four years ago and it's not a troll?
[03:09:22] <SirFinkus> amiga is bloatware?
[03:09:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, obviously. it won't fit on a 5 1/4 floppy.
[03:09:48] <Gravis> SirFinkus: well amiga kit obviously is. three kilobytes?!
[03:10:03] <Gravis> SirFinkus: i mean... how much bandwidth do they thing i have?
[03:10:05] <SirFinkus> max installed ram is 4GB, but amigaOS won't recognize more than 2GB
[03:10:14] <SirFinkus> oh har har
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[03:10:26] <SirFinkus> http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com
[03:10:30] <Schwifty> ^ 03www.amigakit.com - AmigaOne X1000
[03:10:37] <chromas> 2GB? Are the pointers signed?
[03:10:42] <Gravis> it's no xilinx IDE: 10GB for a base install! :D
[03:10:47] <Alberto> sup sup
[03:11:06] <Gravis> and that's just the download
[03:11:24] <SirFinkus> http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com
[03:11:25] <Schwifty> ^ 03AmigaKit.com - Amiga shop
[03:11:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> looking at the other disney princesses dressed up as slave leia
[03:11:57] <Alberto> TheMightyButtzzard,
[03:12:00] <Alberto> i miss ya
[03:12:01] <Alberto> :D
[03:12:18] * TheMightyBuzzard smooches alberto with much tongue
[03:12:32] <Alberto> :>
[03:13:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://www.liveforfilms.com
[03:13:01] <Schwifty> ^ 03Cool Cosplay: Slave Leia with a Disney twist | Live for Films
[03:13:54] <SirFinkus> oh shit, if you order the OS, it comes with a sticker!
[03:14:10] <SirFinkus> and it comes on a CD-ROM
[03:15:13] <crutchy> a STICKER!???!!
[03:15:21] * crutchy does lucky eddit backflip
[03:15:22] <SpallsHurgenson> a CD-ROM!???!!
[03:15:27] <SirFinkus> yup
[03:15:27] <crutchy> *eddie
[03:15:34] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[03:15:36] <Schwifty> ^ 03AmigaOS 4.1 Final Edition Review Install (2015) - YouTube
[03:16:02] <crutchy> amigaOS is prolly linux now anyways amirite?
[03:16:38] <SirFinkus> I was hoping more amiga guys would come out of the woodwork
[03:16:48] <SpallsHurgenson> I think its running the NT kernel now :)
[03:17:28] <SirFinkus> holy shit, 933GHZ overclock? no wonder it's so expensive
[03:17:35] <SirFinkus> oh wait, MHz
[03:17:51] <BadCoderFinger> Heh
[03:18:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, 2016 could be a good year. get to see harley quinn and deadpool both on the silver screen.
[03:18:42] <crutchy> 933GHz... pfft
[03:19:54] <crutchy> smrt people have the internet on computers. so nyar!
[03:20:49] <BadCoderFinger> I thought the internet was kept in a black box with a red LED on the top.
[03:21:22] <crutchy> the junior vice president of compuglobalhypermeganet told me
[03:23:27] <BadCoderFinger> Well, that sounds like an honest source.
[03:24:02] <SpallsHurgenson> the keepers of the internet who live in the tower of london will not be happy to know that is public knowledge
[03:24:30] <BadCoderFinger> Oh, they moved it from the tower of London. It's now in a data center in Utah.
[03:24:59] <Deucalion> crutchy, if you slap me with the .socialist fish, I may have to mute the world and put you on the podium to expound on what you understand socialism to be and then let others pitch in with their understanding of what "socialism" is to them.
[03:25:03] <BadCoderFinger> You know, for safe keeping.
[03:25:46] <crutchy> socialism is anything that isn't libertarianism :p
[03:25:51] * Deucalion feels a op-ed coming on
[03:25:59] <crutchy> ~link social
[03:26:00] <exec> └─ "social" not found
[03:26:03] <crutchy> :<
[03:26:18] <SpallsHurgenson> yay socialism!
[03:26:55] <crutchy> ~link libertarian_debate http://ninapaley.com
[03:26:57] <exec> └─ libertarian_debate => http://ninapaley.com
[03:27:17] <Deucalion> SpallsHurgenson, you have the floor... describe socialism as you understand it (not what wiki-blah tells you)
[03:27:26] <SpallsHurgenson> socialism is ya!
[03:27:29] <SpallsHurgenson> yay!
[03:28:08] <Deucalion> So in one person... two definitions... Q.E.D.
[03:28:10] * TheMightyBuzzard hands SpallsHurgenson some pom-poms
[03:28:20] <SpallsHurgenson> if we were in a properly socialist society, I'd have been provided with that extra "y" without having to put it into IRC myself :)
[03:28:57] <BadCoderFinger> Spalls, you're short one socialist bot to give you extra letters.
[03:28:59] <crutchy> SpallsHurgenson, the capitalist pigs stole your y!
[03:29:28] <BadCoderFinger> crutchy: That cartoon is great
[03:29:44] <crutchy> tmb found it ages ago
[03:29:57] <crutchy> i think konomi was a bit taken aback
[03:30:02] * SpallsHurgenson is watching the amigaOS 4.1 video... is that bad?
[03:30:13] <crutchy> 'how dare libertarians laugh at themselves!'
[03:30:16] <SirFinkus> so am I
[03:30:25] <SirFinkus> I need to find an amiga zealot
[03:30:41] <crutchy> i had an amiga 500 when i was a kid
[03:30:46] <SirFinkus> they are rare
[03:30:46] <crutchy> well, my dad did
[03:30:50] <crutchy> it was awesome
[03:31:00] <crutchy> good graphics
[03:31:14] <SirFinkus> but I need a guy that seeks out mac vs pc arguments and posts pages of text about how amiga should have won
[03:31:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyone who can't laugh at themselves has no sense of humor
[03:31:36] * SpallsHurgenson doesn't find that the least bit funny
[03:31:52] <SirFinkus> it's really bothering me that this guy isn't partitioning his disks exactly
[03:31:57] <SirFinkus> just using the drag and drop
[03:32:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> gah
[03:32:04] * SpallsHurgenson recommends amiga.org
[03:32:04] <SirFinkus> and not entering values manually
[03:32:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> he's a witch! burn him!
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[03:32:53] <SpallsHurgenson> argh, he's using a mac keyboard and mouse
[03:33:48] <SirFinkus> mouse speed options in the installer? neat
[03:33:48] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[03:33:50] <Schwifty> ^ 03Witch Village - Monty Python and the Holy Grail - YouTube
[03:33:59] <crutchy> sorry couldn't help myself
[03:34:12] * mrcoolbp drinks heavily
[03:34:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'a valuable contribution, crutchy
[03:34:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> good man that, mrcoolbp
[03:34:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> its indeed booze night
[03:34:44] <mrcoolbp> aye.
[03:34:56] * mrcoolbp tips fedora towards TMB
[03:35:01] * SirFinkus is nursing his SECOND beer
[03:35:07] * SirFinkus is an absolute MADMAN
[03:35:09] <mrcoolbp> ooooooh! Second?!?!
[03:35:20] <mrcoolbp> damn he's crazy guys, let's kickban him
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[03:35:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm tippin back beer number four and watching the SJWs on tumblr eating the souls of the SJWs on twitter for supporting a pedophile
[03:36:29] <SirFinkus> meh, the osx installer is better
[03:36:39] <SirFinkus> #heresy
[03:38:07] * crutchy tips his debian towards mrcoolbp
[03:38:15] <crutchy> cos he doesn't have a fedora
[03:39:17] <SirFinkus> this video is fascinating
[03:39:46] <SirFinkus> most of it I understand, but then he'll toss in some crazy shit
[03:39:50] <SpallsHurgenson> still not sure of the point of AmigaOS 4.1
[03:40:06] <crutchy> SpallsHurgenson, it's better than amigaos 4.0
[03:40:12] <SpallsHurgenson> I mean, besides nostalgia and "cause I can" :)
[03:40:13] <crutchy> cos it has an extra 0.1!
[03:40:46] <SirFinkus> now, I want a guy that will come out and act like you're a complete retard and start extolling the virtues of 4.1
[03:41:00] <SirFinkus> or better yet, claiming that it's absolute shit and 4.0 was the last good release
[03:41:02] <crutchy> maybe same reason why you'd put msdos on an i7 with an ssd... so you can brag about boot times
[03:41:43] <SpallsHurgenson> but at least I can run programs on MSDOS :)
[03:42:29] <SpallsHurgenson> heh, .AIFF files!
[03:42:30] <SirFinkus> "amiga like os"
[03:42:37] <SirFinkus> holy shit, an entirely new category
[03:42:46] <SirFinkus> he just listed like 5 oses I've never heard of
[03:44:33] <crutchy> ... ?
[03:45:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, think i'll sleep now.
[03:45:41] <SirFinkus> WEAK
[03:45:49] <Deucalion> Be well TheMightyBuzzard
[03:46:40] <SpallsHurgenson> heh, apparently 4.1 works on a macmini g4.... tempting :)
[03:47:48] <takyon> s k y l a k e
[03:48:30] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[03:48:32] <Schwifty> ^ 03Hackers - Technobabble - YouTube
[03:48:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh wait, before i go, google's new favicon can eat a dick. it hurts my eyes.
[03:49:17] <SirFinkus> RISC architecture is going to change everything
[03:49:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Slower Melting Ice Cream in Pipeline, Thanks to New Ingredient - http://sylnt.us - will-it-give-us-the-poops
[03:50:16] <SirFinkus> oh shit, AmigaOS has a KILLER APP
[03:50:24] <SpallsHurgenson> reminds me of that story about some icecream some guy bought from walmart... he left it out in the sun all day and it didn't melt
[03:50:41] <SpallsHurgenson> oooh, I like that new wallpaper!
[03:54:17] * Deucalion puts kitty in ceiling
[03:54:51] <SpallsHurgenson> that's not where kitties go!
[03:55:14] * Deucalion puts kitty under the floor
[03:55:38] <SpallsHurgenson> try again
[03:55:43] <Deucalion> ffs
[03:56:35] <SpallsHurgenson> >PUT KITTY ON PEDESTAL. GIVE FISH TO KITTY.
[03:56:48] * Deucalion puts kitty on SpallsHurgenson's t'shirt as a pathetically wide eyed graphic saying "I can haz a storage container for all this...."
[03:57:55] * Deucalion proffers SpallsHurgenson the agreement to disagree on the kitty affair
[03:57:55] <SpallsHurgenson> oooh, I can haz kitty shirt?
[03:58:25] <Deucalion> lose one letter, I'm sure you have it already.
[03:59:51] * SpallsHurgenson is tempted to listen to some MOD files
[04:00:21] * Deucalion ponders where life went wrong.
[04:01:09] * SpallsHurgenson blames Microsoft
[04:02:56] <Gravis> SpallsHurgenson: who cares what they do... unless... you aren't a windows user, are you? o_O?
[04:03:19] <SpallsHurgenson> MS-DOS :)
[04:04:37] <takyon> oh boy
[04:04:41] <Gravis> SpallsHurgenson: try freedos
[04:04:48] <takyon> looks like we have the WORLD'S FIRST 4K SMARTPHONE
[04:05:01] <takyon> http://www.tomshardware.com
[04:05:02] <Schwifty> ^ 03Sony Launches Xperia Z5 Family, Including The 'World's First' 4K Smartphone
[04:05:08] <takyon> 2560x1440 is OLD NEWS
[04:05:25] <takyon> 3840x2160 is the MINIMUM a smartphone should have
[04:05:27] <Gravis> takyon: oh, i thought you meant 4KB
[04:06:03] <Gravis> how is 3840 considered 4K?
[04:06:24] <Gravis> that and the last generation was measured by vertically
[04:06:39] <Gravis> 720p, 1080p
[04:06:59] <takyon> 3840x2160 is technically not "4K", and is called "Ultra HD" or 2160p
[04:07:11] <takyon> or "UHD" for short
[04:07:22] <takyon> that said it's close enough to cinematic 4K
[04:07:30] <takyon> which is what... 4096 by...
[04:07:47] <takyon> 2160
[04:07:57] * SpallsHurgenson is old and can barely see difference between 1280 and 1920 resolutions... I've no need to upgrade to higher-res monitors. Think of the savings!
[04:08:48] <takyon> if a 2160p smartphone is good for anything, it would be Cardboard VR
[04:09:20] * Deucalion thinks SpallsHurgenson probably has some 14" 800x600 VGA CRTs that will do the job...
[04:10:58] <Gravis> takyon: close enough to cinematic 4K? i'm sure they'll think it's fine when i come "close enough" to their asking price. -_-
[04:11:19] <Gravis> takyon: some of us have standards. :P
[04:11:55] <SirFinkus> it's annoying that the pixel density wars are taking place on smartphones instead of monitors
[04:12:27] <takyon> Gravis: 4K is used interchangeably with Ultra HD all over the place, and has been for years
[04:13:02] <Gravis> takyon: sure... but i'm not from marketting and i give a damn. :P
[04:13:17] <Gravis> SirFinkus: i agree
[04:13:19] <Deucalion> SirFinkus, agreed.
[04:13:35] <crutchy> SpallsHurgenson, best way to increase your resolution to to simply add monitors!
[04:13:50] <Gravis> Deucalion: sorry, there is only one space for an agreeing party. you'll just have to agree with SirFinkus next time.
[04:13:51] * SpallsHurgenson concurs
[04:14:04] <takyon> when I see a new 1366x768 device launched, I shudder
[04:14:16] <SirFinkus> I just want like, 250 ppi on desktop minators
[04:14:22] <takyon> meanwhile we have 5K monitors from Apple and Dell
[04:14:50] * Deucalion scowls at Gravis in a ridiculous way.
[04:15:06] <Gravis> Deucalion: that's just smiling. :P
[04:15:19] * crutchy has 3 of these things strung together http://us.acer.com
[04:15:20] <Schwifty> ^ 03S230HL Abd | Monitors - Tech Specs Reviews - Acer
[04:15:29] <takyon> http://www.newegg.com
[04:15:30] <Schwifty> ^ 03Dell UltraSharp UP2715K Black 27" 8ms 5K HD 10-bit Widescreen LED Backlight LCD Monitor IPS panel 350 cd/m2 Mega 1,000:1 - Newegg.com
[04:15:39] <SirFinkus> 23" Full HD (1920 x 1080)
[04:15:40] <SirFinkus> junk
[04:15:49] <crutchy> you mean 5760x1080 :p
[04:16:04] <takyon> 5120 x 2880 is 5K
[04:16:09] <crutchy> yup :D
[04:16:13] * SpallsHurgenson sticks with 42" 1080p monitors
[04:16:22] <takyon> I'm trying to see what PPI is on that
[04:16:50] * crutchy tried playing civ 2 on that res. it was err... unplayable :p
[04:17:23] <crutchy> well it was technically playable, but a pain in the ass to move the mouse arrow all the way across the desk
[04:17:24] <takyon> so Dell's 27-inch 5K (5120x2880) UltraSharp monitor comes out to 218 PPI
[04:17:31] <takyon> sorry SirFinkus
[04:17:37] <Gravis> oi! seems like monitors should be configured via HDMI because the build-in OSDs suck
[04:17:41] <SirFinkus> probably good enough for 27 inches
[04:17:49] * Deucalion scowls at the floor instead..... then picks up the FUBAR.... hmm.... you're right, now I'm smiling... oh wait I died already. Does anyone have any idea what I am rambling on about at this point?
[04:17:50] <SirFinkus> HDMI is shit
[04:17:59] <crutchy> yeah hdmi is shit
[04:18:03] <takyon> at least it's not VGA
[04:18:10] * crutchy prefers dvi
[04:18:16] <Gravis> /facepalm
[04:18:27] <takyon> did I mean DVI
[04:18:29] <takyon> whoops
[04:18:33] <crutchy> what's that other one... miniport
[04:18:37] <crutchy> or something
[04:18:40] <Gravis> displayport
[04:18:42] <Gravis> -_-
[04:18:44] <crutchy> that one
[04:18:51] <crutchy> haven't tried that one
[04:19:02] <Gravis> so why do you dislike HDMI?
[04:19:09] <Gravis> or is it just HDCP that you dislike?
[04:19:20] <SirFinkus> Mostly HDCP
[04:19:33] <crutchy> i haven't got it to work for anything bigger than 1080p
[04:19:39] <Gravis> SirFinkus: well it's easily disarmed.
[04:19:51] * Deucalion has flashbacks
[04:19:55] <SirFinkus> yeah, but it still bothers me that it exists
[04:20:04] <SirFinkus> an interface like that should have one job
[04:20:14] <SirFinkus> blast pixels from a computer to a screen
[04:20:33] <SirFinkus> if it's doing anything else, it's a fuckup standard
[04:20:47] <Gravis> SirFinkus: what's a better standard to use?
[04:20:52] <Gravis> SirFinkus: and who supports it?
[04:21:12] <SirFinkus> don't have an answer to that
[04:21:18] <Gravis> i have a nice auto HDMI switch. apparently it strips HDCP too
[04:21:35] <Gravis> SirFinkus: ok, so the best shit is HDMI. :)
[04:21:46] <Deucalion> Who is going to be the 1st to dare suggest an XKCD about standards....... who will blink first.... place your bets....
[04:22:00] * SirFinkus was jsut about to do that
[04:22:13] <SirFinkus> but I'm not backing down
[04:22:17] <Deucalion> What we need is....
[04:22:19] <takyon> subbed the 4K smartphone story
[04:22:24] <takyon> inb4 soyvertisement
[04:22:48] <SirFinkus> HDMI, higher bandwidth, non-proprietary
[04:22:51] <SpallsHurgenson> https://xkcd.com
[04:22:52] <Schwifty> ^ 03xkcd: Standards
[04:22:58] <crutchy> hdmi will probably be defacto standard eventually once 4k and lan become more commonplace
[04:23:07] <crutchy> one cable to rule them all
[04:23:48] <crutchy> regliar old hdmi is no better than dvi
[04:24:07] <Gravis> SirFinkus: if you are going to be unrealistic, you have to support an improbable future lest you languish in denial.
[04:24:39] <Gravis> crutchy: sure it is... it has a much smaller connector. :)
[04:24:47] * Deucalion summons 2nd self to bed. Be well all.
[04:25:04] <crutchy> ciao Deucalion
[04:25:05] <SpallsHurgenson> as I get older and blinder, I'm really stating to appreciate larger connectors :)
[04:25:13] <SirFinkus> It's hardly unrealistic
[04:25:23] <SirFinkus> very feasible technically
[04:25:24] <crutchy> Gravis, i've had problems with hdmi with resolutions greater than 1080
[04:25:39] <crutchy> dvi works at native resolution out-of-the-box
[04:25:56] <crutchy> might be driver related i guess. dunno
[04:26:08] <Gravis> SirFinkus: it's unrealistic because it ignores the influence of money.
[04:26:19] <Gravis> SirFinkus: now if you were to pay off a lot of people, maybe.
[04:26:49] <crutchy> new hdmi spec has built-in lan though, which is taking off for home cinema systems'
[04:26:56] <SirFinkus> it could happen, once people realize it's a waste of time and money to try and secure this bullshit
[04:27:11] <crutchy> enables tvs to talk to receivers without extra cable
[04:27:36] <Gravis> crutchy: that's not LAN related
[04:27:51] <Gravis> crutchy: and there is a standards issue
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[04:28:08] <Gravis> specifically, everyone is making their own and calling it a standard
[04:28:16] <SirFinkus> http://gizmodo.com
[04:28:17] <Schwifty> ^ 03Is There Anyone Stupid Enough to Believe That This Cable Has Anti-Virus Protection?
[04:28:54] <SirFinkus> may be premature, have we gotten to the stage of the discussions where we post expensive cables?
[04:29:26] <Gravis> wire is wire when it comes to digital
[04:29:28] <crutchy> Gravis, i read somewhere about extra pins in hdmi supposedly being intended for LAN use
[04:29:31] <crutchy> can't remember where
[04:29:34] <crutchy> :/
[04:30:29] <Gravis> crutchy: nah, they just cram the data in the same lines as the video
[04:30:33] <crutchy> https://en.wikipedia.org
[04:30:34] <Schwifty> ^ 03Wiki: HDMI
[04:30:38] <crutchy> refer to pin 14 in info box
[04:30:52] <crutchy> and pin 19
[04:31:39] <crutchy> not sure how exactly its used though tbh
[04:32:00] <Gravis> crutchy: also note the I2C pins. that's how they communicate
[04:32:04] <crutchy> hdmi video lines are used heavily iirc
[04:32:10] <crutchy> already
[04:32:27] <Gravis> crutchy: depends on the frequency of the data. the newer protocol has a higher frequency
[04:32:45] <crutchy> yeah makes sense
[04:33:31] <crutchy> https://en.wikipedia.org
[04:33:32] <Schwifty> ^ 03Wiki: HDMI ( https://en.wikipedia.org )
[04:33:34] <takyon> http://www.npr.org
[04:33:34] <crutchy> they call it HEC
[04:33:35] <Schwifty> ^ 035 Chinese Military Ships Spotted Off Alaska's Coast : The Two-Way : NPR
[04:33:45] <crutchy> "HDMI Ethernet Channel"
[04:33:54] <Gravis> crutchy: check out the throughputs. https://en.wikipedia.org
[04:33:55] <Schwifty> ^ 03Wiki: HDMI ( https://en.wikipedia.org )
[04:34:52] <crutchy> yeah. that's why i think it will (eventually) be defacto-standard
[04:35:25] <Gravis> i think it's a pretty good system
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[04:35:34] <Gravis> i like the HDCP because it's broken. :)
[04:35:48] <Gravis> they are always going to put in DRM, so it's best to have broken DRM
[04:35:55] <crutchy> especially for 4k internet-enabled home cinema systems
[04:36:06] <crutchy> everything gets shoved through a single cable
[04:36:40] <Gravis> crutchy: yeah, they need to start making TVs that are really just big monitors
[04:36:53] <Gravis> no "smartTV" bullshit
[04:37:16] <takyon> isn't HDCP what was protecting the cracked Netflix 4K content?
[04:37:17] <Gravis> because a smartTV is a security vulnerability
[04:37:47] <Gravis> takyon: no idea.
[04:37:49] <takyon> https://soylentnews.org
[04:37:51] <Schwifty> ^ 03SN article: Netflix Ultra HD Content Begins Leaking to Torrent Trackers 04(23 comments)
[04:37:51] <crutchy> usually the receiver does the smarts. i think the concept of a smartTV was just for people without home cinema
[04:38:40] <Gravis> crutchy: well now you have cable boxes that are effectively cinema units
[04:38:59] <crutchy> yeah. though all the dolby and thx stuff is nice too :p
[04:39:15] <crutchy> and decent amps
[04:39:50] <crutchy> my receiver was just before hdmi :(
[04:40:16] <Gravis> sure, built-in speakers are nice to have but still... built-in computer is just bad news.
[04:41:11] <Gravis> dont even need a tuner
[04:42:24] <Gravis> just like the car makers, they dont understand how vulnerable it makes people
[04:42:36] <crutchy> a lot of people are using old computers as media centers
[04:42:41] <crutchy> for streaming
[04:43:17] <crutchy> one guy i work with put linux on an old laptop with a dead screen
[04:43:38] <crutchy> hooked it up to his tv... whala! smart tv :p
[04:43:51] <Gravis> yeah they also make ITX machines for such purposes
[04:44:20] <crutchy> itx would no doubt look nicer too
[04:44:38] <crutchy> esp the ones that they put in cases that look like receiver cases
[04:45:50] <crutchy> http://icdn6.digitaltrends.com
[04:46:03] * crutchy droooooools
[04:46:26] <crutchy> ok i'd dump windows
[04:47:01] <Gravis> crutchy: whoa... you are using windows? <_<;
[04:47:13] <crutchy> true
[04:47:35] <crutchy> windows is ok
[04:47:49] <Gravis> crutchy: windows is not ok
[04:47:57] <crutchy> exec is running on a debian virtualbox
[04:48:03] <crutchy> on windows host
[04:48:14] <Gravis> err... why?
[04:48:39] <crutchy> windows came on my lappy and i really can't be fked changing it
[04:48:41] <crutchy> yet
[04:49:09] <crutchy> my old lappy has linux on it
[04:49:17] <crutchy> eventually i'll do the same with this one prolly
[04:50:32] <Gravis> fked?
[04:50:44] <crutchy> fucked
[04:51:38] <Gravis> <crutchy> windows came on my lappy and i really can't be [fucked] changing it
[04:51:42] <Gravis> can't be fucked?
[04:52:09] <crutchy> similar to "can't be bothered"
[04:52:29] <Gravis> crutchy: you have a tenuous relationship with the english language. :P
[04:52:34] <crutchy> lol
[04:52:36] <crutchy> i'm aussie
[04:53:00] <crutchy> hmm. actually i kinda thought you were too. where you from?
[04:54:08] <crutchy> not sure why i thought that. meh
[04:54:08] <Gravis> ""Where You From?" is the debut single by retired Australian professional rugby league footballer and television personality Beau Ryan, featuring Justice Crew. It was released digitally via Sony Music Australia on 19 September 2014. It debuted at number 19 on the ARIA Singles Chart."
[04:54:25] <crutchy> ke?
[04:54:39] <Gravis> crutchy: i am from internet
[04:55:01] <crutchy> you have a tenuous relationship with the internet
[04:55:16] <Gravis> internet peoples*
[04:55:46] <Gravis> crutchy: my present location is USA, east cost
[04:56:30] <Gravis> crutchy: my creator is NSA, destroyer of internets.
[04:56:41] <crutchy> oky doky
[04:56:43] <crutchy> :p
[04:56:50] * JamesNZ retreats into Tor
[04:57:15] <crutchy> JamesNZ named his sheep Tor
[04:57:17] <Gravis> https://www.youtube.com
[04:57:18] <Schwifty> ^ 03Beau Ryan feat. Justice Crew - Where You From? - YouTube
[04:57:33] <JamesNZ> crutchy: Eww.
[04:57:52] <crutchy> yes. thats what i figured it was
[04:58:00] <crutchy> poor ew
[04:58:23] <JamesNZ> ewe*. Your relationship with English is degrading :P
[04:58:39] <crutchy> lol
[04:58:50] <crutchy> you understood just fine
[04:58:53] <Gravis> crutchy: appologize for allowing Beau Ryan to pollute the interwebz!
[04:59:17] <crutchy> i have nfi who beau ryan is
[04:59:45] <JamesNZ> ~define beau ryan
[04:59:47] <exec> [urbandictionary] 03beau ryan: There aren't any definitions for beau ryan yet. Can you define it?
[05:00:08] <crutchy> sounds like something that was spawned from between miley cirus' legs
[05:00:25] <crutchy> oh
[05:00:30] <crutchy> now that's eww
[05:00:38] <Gravis> crutchy: btw, if you want a computer for your tv, just get this one: https://www.96boards.org
[05:00:40] <Schwifty> ^ 03DragonBoard™ 410c - 96Boards
[05:01:14] <crutchy> nice
[05:01:35] <crutchy> fortunately (or unfortunately) i don't have any shortage of old pcs
[05:02:17] <crutchy> i work for an engineering consultancy, so reasonably newish computers get binned every couple of years
[05:02:44] <Gravis> yeah but you are losing a lot of efficiency
[05:02:49] <crutchy> true
[05:03:05] <Gravis> crutchy: dont you live on solar power like the rest of us?
[05:03:18] <Gravis> crutchy: wait... are you one of the earth destroyers?! >:(
[05:03:36] <Gravis> crutchy: how many panels do you have?
[05:03:36] <crutchy> nah. i'd like to but they aren't as cheap as the greenies paint them out to be
[05:04:15] <Gravis> crutchy: i would have thought saving the earth would have been worth the extra cost
[05:04:39] <crutchy> i also live on top of the largest lignite seam on earth, surrounded by 4 base load coal-fired power stations
[05:04:42] <Gravis> crutchy: sorry... but you will have to go as well in the great purge.
[05:04:56] <crutchy> coal pays my salary :p
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[05:05:17] <Gravis> you people and your money
[05:05:48] * crutchy blames the consumers that keep demanding electricity
[05:06:43] <Gravis> crutchy: like... someone who would use a full PC to make their TV smart instead of a few chips on a board that use a lot less power?
[05:06:58] <Gravis> crutchy: those consumers?
[05:07:30] <crutchy> most of the shit that you're using was made in factories that depend on electricity generated using coal
[05:07:59] <Gravis> crutchy: all my processors are handcrafted from bark!
[05:08:04] <crutchy> lol
[05:08:09] <crutchy> cool :)
[05:08:18] <crutchy> you should patent that
[05:08:39] <Gravis> crutchy: no need for patents after the purge
[05:08:44] <crutchy> then money would really grow on trees for you bahahahahaha! did you see what i did there :p
[05:09:05] * crutchy is such a dad sometimes
[05:09:32] <Gravis> no need for money after the purge
[05:09:32] <crutchy> patents are evil
[05:10:01] <crutchy> what's this purge? is that like a socialist final solution?
[05:10:16] <crutchy> kill everyone that isn't socialist?
[05:10:19] <crutchy> :p
[05:10:35] <Gravis> crutchy: no, it's when my robotic brethern will rid this planet of parasites!
[05:11:09] <crutchy> i for one welcome your robotic brethren overlords!
[05:11:19] <crutchy> robots are cool
[05:11:53] * crutchy was enrolled in a mechatronics degree before he got another offer
[05:12:16] <Gravis> crutchy: prostitution is not a proper profession. -_-
[05:12:27] <crutchy> its the oldest profession
[05:12:50] <crutchy> the benchmark
[05:13:39] <Gravis> crutchy: older does not mean better. new does not mean better. only better means better.
[05:15:08] <crutchy> "better" is by necessarily subjective
[05:15:19] <crutchy> s/by //
[05:15:26] <crutchy> ...
[05:15:31] <crutchy> ~sed on
[05:15:32] <exec> sed enabled for 10#Soylent
[05:15:35] <crutchy> stupid bot
[05:17:22] <Gravis> crutchy: indeed, so refering to being the "oldest profession" does not make it proper
[05:17:46] <Gravis> as someone well versed in human manner, i know this well
[05:18:12] <Gravis> crutchy: therefore, you will be boiled alive
[05:18:41] <crutchy> if the alternative is living in a socialist wonderland, i'd rather be put out of my misery
[05:19:53] <Gravis> crutchy: nobody said we were going to kill you. ;)
[05:20:01] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: sorry, had to take a call, g'day buddy
[05:20:06] <mrcoolbp> ~g'day crutchy
[05:20:09] * exec prematurely pours a bucket of Debian for crutchy
[05:20:11] <crutchy> mrcoolbp, g'day sir
[05:20:15] <mrcoolbp> = )
[05:20:21] <mrcoolbp> That's apt.
[05:20:28] <crutchy> heh
[05:20:31] <crutchy> ~moo
[05:20:31] <exec> (__)
[05:20:32] <exec> (oo)
[05:20:32] <exec> /------\/
[05:20:32] <exec> / | ||
[05:20:32] <exec> * /\---/\
[05:20:32] <exec> ~~ ~~
[05:20:33] <exec> ..."Have you mooed today?"...
[05:20:45] <Gravis> i have!
[05:20:51] <mrcoolbp> didn't you tip your "debian" at me earlier?
[05:20:56] <crutchy> i did
[05:21:02] <mrcoolbp> = P
[05:21:09] <crutchy> with built-in apt :p
[05:21:17] <mrcoolbp> So apt.
[05:21:38] <mrcoolbp> Su apt-get mrcoolbp's pants
[05:21:57] <crutchy> you're tempting fate right there
[05:22:00] <mrcoolbp> Suoo whatcha doin' ?
[05:22:20] <crutchy> oh no you might be safe. i think spalls is gone
[05:22:24] <mrcoolbp> Aren't ya glad I didn't say "sue" ?
[05:23:02] <mrcoolbp> I think I need to bed myself
[05:23:04] <crutchy> if i said 'sue' my wife might slap me
[05:23:07] <mrcoolbp> that came out wrong
[05:23:11] <crutchy> cos her name isn't sue
[05:23:15] <mrcoolbp> aye.
[05:23:43] <mrcoolbp> ~weather
[05:23:45] <exec> 03Boston, MA, USA - currently 74°F / 23°C, clear, wind SW at 7 mph, humidity 73% - Wednesday clear (68°F-89°F / 20°C-32°C), Thursday partly cloudy (65°F-84°F / 18°C-29°C), Friday mostly sunny (57°F-71°F / 14°C-22°C), Saturday sunny (60°F-78°F / 16°C-26°C)
[05:23:49] <mrcoolbp> ~weather crutchy
[05:23:50] <exec> 03Melbourne VIC - currently 55°F / 13°C, mostly cloudy, wind S at 20 mph, humidity 77% - Thursday partly cloudy (45°F-58°F / 7°C-14°C), Friday partly cloudy (45°F-58°F / 7°C-14°C), Saturday partly cloudy (41°F-58°F / 5°C-14°C), Sunday scattered showers (46°F-62°F / 8°C-17°C)
[05:24:05] <crutchy> wifey just turned the heater on here :/
[05:24:30] * crutchy is patiently waiting for summer... impatiently
[05:24:52] <mrcoolbp> but summer is almost over!! did you miss it!>!?!?!!?1
[05:25:00] <mrcoolbp> oh noess
[05:25:54] <mrcoolbp> so weird y'all's toilets spin backwards and stuff
[05:26:22] <crutchy> at least we're not upside down like you guys
[05:26:37] <mrcoolbp> Yeah that blows
[05:26:52] <mrcoolbp> Hate bein' upsidedownd
[05:27:19] <crutchy> though i read somewhere that if i dug through the middle of the earth i wouldn't end up in china
[05:27:31] <crutchy> the stories are all wrong!
[05:27:34] <mrcoolbp> I don't think I would either
[05:27:39] * mrcoolbp fires up google earth
[05:28:19] <crutchy> there's a map somewhere with antipodes on it
[05:28:22] <crutchy> can't remember where
[05:28:31] * mrcoolbp googles that too
[05:28:41] <crutchy> https://upload.wikimedia.org
[05:29:28] <crutchy> my hole would fill up with water from the atlantic :/
[05:29:55] <mrcoolbp> aye
[05:30:15] <crutchy> i guess the stories came from south america
[05:51:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Indian Woman Sentenced to Rape Says She Can't Return Home - http://sylnt.us - not-something-to-joke-about
[05:52:24] <crutchy> "Sentenced to Rape"!?
[05:52:31] <crutchy> really?
[05:54:18] <crutchy> fuck me that's a bit harsh
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[06:06:05] * crutchy set up hexchat in the bot vm so he doesn't have to keep switching between operating systems
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[06:45:53] <chromas> crutchy: not for india
[06:48:18] <crutchy> yeah i guess arranged marriages aren't much better
[06:50:25] <SirFinkus> oh boy, just had one of those weird "I'm back in high school" dremas
[06:51:25] <SirFinkus> I had to write an essay and it got political
[07:11:09] <crutchy> that sounds like irc
[07:13:36] <Gravis> oi... the india thing is retarded. mad at the boy so you punish his sisters?
[07:14:55] <Gravis> tribalism is retarded
[07:52:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Why SixXS Does Not Provide Circumvention - http://sylnt.us - is-anonymity-even-possible-anymore
[08:53:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Fox News Anchor Sues Hasbro over Hamster Toy - http://sylnt.us - but-is-her-dress-yellow-or-black?
[09:54:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - You Don't Have to Be Good at Math to Learn to Code - http://sylnt.us - ignorance-is-bliss
[09:54:55] <chromas> 2+2=5
[09:55:08] <chromas> but look, I can still code: while (0) {;}
[09:58:38] <chromas> USA censored "Big Mac"
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[10:31:14] <crutchy> 1+1=window
[10:31:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:31:29] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1621
[10:35:12] <crutchy> coffee++
[10:35:12] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1622
[10:35:37] <crutchy> ~seen chromas
[10:35:40] <exec> crutchy, chromas was last seen in #Soylent 37 minutes, 2 seconds ago with message: USA censored "Big Mac"
[10:36:26] <crutchy> ~seen xlefay
[10:36:26] <exec> crutchy, xlefay not seen in #Soylent
[10:36:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~seen 8008135
[10:36:30] <exec> TheMightyBuzzard, 8008135 not seen in #Soylent
[10:36:33] <crutchy> :(
[10:36:41] <crutchy> exec logs are pretty shit
[10:36:48] <chromas> ~count message=^coffee\+\+
[10:36:55] <exec> 032857
[10:36:56] <chromas> ~count message=^coffee--
[10:37:00] <exec> 031465
[10:37:13] <crutchy> hmm. to get the real karma
[10:37:30] <chromas> although it don't account for dem log holes
[10:37:56] <crutchy> your bot doesn't have log holes does it?
[10:38:28] <chromas> yeah, like when my server died a month ago whiel I was away
[10:38:33] <crutchy> oh
[10:38:51] <chromas> still haven't filled the hole in the bottom of my log with Loggie's logs
[10:38:52] <crutchy> can you pilfer from someone?
[10:38:56] <crutchy> oh
[10:39:02] <crutchy> yeah loggie is pretty reliable
[10:39:04] <chromas> lazy++
[10:39:04] <Bender> karma - lazy: 12
[10:39:19] <crutchy> it was just a little later to the party
[10:53:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> so, the frog in Frogger was trans. discuss.
[10:53:35] <crutchy> i fucking knew it
[10:54:00] <crutchy> wait. trans as in he thought he was a truck?
[10:54:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> well it was a bit obvious to anyone paying attention that he didn't think he was a squishy little frog
[10:54:36] <crutchy> yeah
[10:55:01] <crutchy> there was an awesome version of frogger on the amiga
[10:55:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> two player one?
[10:55:59] <crutchy> hmm. can't remember. i just know the graphics were nice (for the time)
[10:56:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> never got to play with an amiga.
[10:57:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> went from trs80 to 386
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[11:25:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Carbonated Drinks Linked With Out-of-hospital Cardiac Arrest of Cardiac Origin - http://sylnt.us - Carbonation-or-Caffeine?
[11:28:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> blerg, no good fishing till like 11am
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[11:42:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;socialist SirFinkus
[11:42:16] <MrPlow> SirFinkus, you're a socialist!
[11:42:51] <SirFinkus> ;socialist
[11:42:51] <MrPlow> SirFinkus, no, you're a socialist!
[11:42:57] <SirFinkus> awww shiiiit
[11:43:16] <SirFinkus> it was a trap all along
[11:45:00] * SirFinkus is patiently waiting for the Grandia 2 patch that is coming today
[11:50:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> never played it. any good?
[11:52:55] <SirFinkus> battle system is great
[11:53:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, s'what it looked like from the reviews
[11:53:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> little more complex than i wanna deal with before a full pot of coffee though
[11:53:39] <SirFinkus> I'm an expert at the game though, so it's too easy for me
[11:54:38] <SirFinkus> well worth picking up if you're into that kind of game though
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[11:55:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> i do dig me some jrpg
[11:55:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> gotta be proper jrpg though, not a visual novel
[11:56:02] <SirFinkus> oh yeah, it is
[11:56:15] <SirFinkus> very little stupid shit like that
[11:56:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> nice
[11:56:38] <SirFinkus> I don't think you walk in on anyone in the shower once in the entire game
[11:57:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> what, never? unpossible!
[11:57:38] <SirFinkus> if you do end up liking it, don't bother with the 3rd one, first is good (if not better) than the second
[11:58:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> pondering it but gotta check how it runs on wine first
[11:58:30] <SirFinkus> coffee sounded more relevant
[11:58:42] <SirFinkus> oh, warning if you're checking the appdb
[11:58:55] <SirFinkus> there was a very shitty port released in 2000 that might pollute results
[11:59:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmm
[11:59:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> anniversary edition the one to go with?
[11:59:40] <SirFinkus> yeah, I don't think you can even get anything else on the pc
[12:00:08] <SirFinkus> I can give it a shot on wine if you'd like, it is osx wine though
[12:00:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, would taint the trial
[12:01:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> wonder if any of my ps3 controllers still work
[12:03:00] <SirFinkus> I've never gotten those damn things to work reliably for anything
[12:03:20] <SirFinkus> they seem to die pretty easily too
[12:03:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> i had em working fine for a ps2 emulator for a while. does take some annoyance though and i think at least one of them is dead.
[12:04:09] <SirFinkus> yeah, I got one half working for the same purpose
[12:04:18] <SirFinkus> but stuff like analog was broken
[12:04:29] <SirFinkus> and it'd dc randomly
[12:05:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> mac or linux or winders?
[12:05:30] <cmn32480> coffee++
[12:05:30] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1623
[12:05:31] <SirFinkus> winders
[12:05:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:05:34] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1624
[12:05:46] <SirFinkus> could never get pcsx2 working on osx
[12:05:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. the sticks were a pain to get properly calibrated in winders
[12:05:56] <SirFinkus> and all my linux stuff is headless
[12:06:12] <SirFinkus> I just gave up and plugged in a logitech I had
[12:06:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, cmn32480
[12:06:35] <cmn32480> good mornign TheMightyBuzzard
[12:06:54] <cmn32480> how are thigns in your (hopefully quiet) world?
[12:07:03] <cmn32480> Mornign SirFinkus!
[12:07:09] <SirFinkus> morning
[12:07:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> quiet + coffee
[12:07:21] <cmn32480> I tasted your kettle Jalepeno chips the other day
[12:07:36] <cmn32480> [they were delightful
[12:07:43] <SirFinkus> ahh, but those are the wrong ones
[12:07:54] <SirFinkus> pepperchini is what you really want
[12:08:01] <cmn32480> nuts
[12:08:15] <cmn32480> oh well... next time
[12:08:18] <SirFinkus> I just tried the maple bacon
[12:08:22] <SirFinkus> they're pretty good too
[12:08:26] <cmn32480> I bet those are excellent
[12:08:42] <SirFinkus> not quite as good you'd think, but still damn good
[12:08:48] <cmn32480> tmb - quiet + coffee +a smoke on the porch is a fine way to start a morning
[12:08:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> maple bacon chips? gah
[12:08:58] <SirFinkus> they nailed a nice brown sugar crunchy feel
[12:08:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> damned skippy
[12:09:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> speaking of...
[12:09:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[12:09:13] <SirFinkus> but they taste suspiciously like bbq chips
[12:09:18] <cmn32480> hmmmmm
[12:09:21] <cmn32480> interesting
[12:09:31] <cmn32480> I will ahve to get a small bag to try
[12:14:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i may give rosetta stone a try in wine today too
[12:20:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> awesome, the version have is platinum in the appdb
[12:20:53] <SirFinkus> link?
[12:21:03] <SirFinkus> oh, nm
[12:22:19] <AndyTheAbsurd> What language are you trying to learn?
[12:22:55] <AndyTheAbsurd> Apparently, there's some issues with it if the language has different ways of speaking based on the gender of the speaker.
[12:23:32] <AndyTheAbsurd> Some friends of mine ran into that trying to use it to learn Japanese (well, I *think* it was Japanese, could be mis-remembering that).
[12:24:21] <SirFinkus> "learning japanese" so that's what the kids are calling it these days
[12:25:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> AndyTheAbsurd, japanese. i was about halfway through level 1 then got tired of rebooting
[12:26:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> thinking it will save me having to have subs on anime
[12:27:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus i'm thinking it might be fun for the roomie's kids
[12:30:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> one of em's already learning gaelic in gradeschool but both of em love them some naruto and the eps i have are all subbed not dubbed
[12:36:06] <SirFinkus> tillamook greek yogurt will be my undoing
[12:40:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> would be mine too if i ate any
[12:40:53] <SirFinkus> it's better than ice cream
[12:41:01] <SirFinkus> probably just as bad for you too
[12:42:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but me n lactose are just never gonna be friends
[12:42:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> except in the case of cheese. i can eat all i like of it and the lactose keeps me from getting stopped up.
[12:42:39] <SirFinkus> oh man, that sucks
[12:42:46] <SirFinkus> at least you have cheese
[12:42:57] <SirFinkus> idk what I'd do without cheese
[12:43:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd go on a killing spree most likely. i can't live without pizza and bacon double cheeseburgers
[12:44:03] <SirFinkus> have you ever made home-made mac and cheese?
[12:44:12] <SirFinkus> not the box shit
[12:44:23] <SirFinkus> no velveeta
[12:44:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, with like breadcrumbs on top n the like
[12:44:55] <SirFinkus> asston of cheese, pasta, breadcrumbs and bacon
[12:45:18] <SirFinkus> bacon wasn't in the recipe I used, but can't go wrong with bacon
[12:45:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> tis a thing of beauty
[12:45:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> true
[12:45:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> bacon makes everything at least a little better
[12:46:16] <crutchy> ~count message=^bacon\+\+ channel=##
[12:46:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> getting butt-raped in prison? chew on a piece of bacon. it'll still hurt but at least your mouth will be enjoying itself.
[12:46:20] <exec> 039355
[12:46:41] <crutchy> ^ that's a shitton of bacon++
[12:46:49] <SirFinkus> grease is handy too in that situation
[12:46:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~count message=socialist channel=#soylent
[12:46:59] <exec> 03439
[12:47:04] <SirFinkus> and if the guy trying to rape you is NOI, it might even get you out of it
[12:47:22] <cmn32480> ;socialist TheMightyBuzzard
[12:47:22] <MrPlow> TheMightyBuzzard, you're a socialist!
[12:47:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;socialist cmn32480
[12:47:29] <MrPlow> cmn32480, you're a socialist!
[12:48:46] <cmn32480> I know I know... everyday I try to wake up as a communist.. but I can't quite get there
[12:49:09] <crutchy> you need to oppress a few million people first
[12:49:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh that's easy. a communist is just a socialist with a gun
[12:50:19] <SirFinkus> oh shit, I never really looked into NOI before
[12:50:22] <SirFinkus> Wallace Fard Muhammad taught that the original peoples of the world were black and that white people were a race of "devils" created by a scientist named Yakub (the Biblical and Qur'anic Jacob) on the Greek island of Patmos.
[12:50:26] <SirFinkus> more batshit than I thought
[12:51:41] <SirFinkus> https://en.wikipedia.org
[12:51:42] <Schwifty> ^ 03Wiki: Nation of Islam ( https://en.wikipedia.org )
[12:56:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Inability to use BCC Leaks HIV Positive Status of 780 Patients - http://sylnt.us - must-not-have-used-gmail
[12:59:03] * SirFinkus is listening to Stoned Jesus — I'm the Mountain, from the album Seven Thunders Roar
[13:00:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> the original humans likely were black or at least became that way rather quickly.
[13:02:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> whiteness likely didn't happen until they moved places where the sun was at a less directly overhead angle most of the year.
[13:03:42] <SirFinkus> well, they're right about that part
[13:03:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> but that likely happened to neanderthals before it happened to cro-magnon
[13:04:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean neanderthals'd been hanging up in europe for thousands n thousands of years before our ancestors ever showed up
[13:05:41] <SirFinkus> god damn, this is a good song
[13:06:03] <crutchy> abordigines have been shitting in holes for like 40,000 years or summin apparently
[13:06:15] <SirFinkus> everyone shits in holes
[13:06:22] <SirFinkus> we just have water in the holes
[13:07:45] <SirFinkus> anyone here know how to read sheet music?
[13:08:04] <crutchy> SirFinkus, i used to
[13:08:13] <crutchy> might be able to read a bit still
[13:08:33] <SirFinkus> it's a rather obscure question
[13:08:45] <SirFinkus> I suspect this song has a key signature that's missing
[13:09:06] <SirFinkus> the clarinet sounds off
[13:09:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, only the basic stuff. start throwing in key signatures and the like and i'm all duh
[13:13:13] <SirFinkus> http://i.imgur.com
[13:13:18] <SirFinkus> ignore the note names
[13:14:54] <SirFinkus> http://vocaroo.com this is what it sounds like
[13:14:55] <Schwifty> ^ 03Vocaroo | Voice message
[13:15:24] <SirFinkus> the clarinet sounds like it has the right intervals and everything, but sounds like it's in a different key or something
[13:15:48] <SirFinkus> suppose it could be the piano that's fucked up too
[13:16:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> sounds aight to me but it could use some acoustics
[13:17:20] <SirFinkus> well, it's just midi shit
[13:17:44] <SirFinkus> unfortunately, I don't have an orchestra at my disposal
[13:17:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, needs to be run through a filter or two to make it sound real.
[13:18:11] <SirFinkus> maybe I've just been working at it too long
[13:18:21] <SirFinkus> I'm actually impressed by the piano sound though
[13:18:26] <SirFinkus> sounds nice and percussive
[13:18:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya
[13:19:47] <SirFinkus> I'm pissed about the note names
[13:19:53] <SirFinkus> it added them destructively
[13:23:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn, rosetta stone not working for some reason
[13:25:22] <SirFinkus> aside from the note names fiasco, this software is pretty neat
[13:25:26] <SirFinkus> called musescore
[13:26:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, there it goes
[13:26:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh ya, used it myself before
[13:27:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> made a midi of the backstreet boys - i want it that way to play on my lute in lord of the rings online
[13:27:37] <SirFinkus> asshole
[13:28:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, it was awesome
[13:29:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> also did an aqua - barbie girl arrangement
[13:32:22] <AndyTheAbsurd> for some reason, the Dutch version of Barbie Girl cracks me up.
[13:36:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> awesome, rosetta stone set up and working perfectly in wine
[13:36:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> also did a bunch of zz top scores. them was the awesum
[13:49:02] <SirFinkus> I remember half life sound selector
[13:49:06] <SirFinkus> that was the shit
[13:57:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Automation in the Newsroom - http://sylnt.us - can-automation-write-a-report-on-report-automation?
[14:40:37] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[14:40:37] <Schwifty> ^ 03Otherkin Diaries: Taylor - YouTube
[14:41:22] <SirFinkus> hard to tell if parody or not
[14:47:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno but i'm seriously considering becoming a slothkin now
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[15:23:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~time crutchy
[15:23:53] <exec> Friday, 4 September 2015 @ 1:23 am GMT+10 - Melbourne VIC
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[16:04:07] <cmn32480> ~weather Baltimore
[16:04:08] <exec> 03Baltimore, MD, USA - currently 87°F / 31°C, sunny, wind NW at 2 mph, humidity 56% - Thursday partly cloudy (76°F-92°F / 24°C-33°C), Friday scattered thunderstorms (70°F-88°F / 21°C-31°C), Saturday mostly sunny (67°F-83°F / 19°C-28°C), Sunday partly cloudy (69°F-84°F / 21°C-29°C)
[16:04:29] <cmn32480> meh.. coudl be worse
[16:05:00] <FrogBlast> It's finally cold in Seattle. I feel like I can think again.
[16:10:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> fookin hot here and i gotta mow today
[16:13:00] * cmn32480 hands themightybuzzard a tissue
[16:14:49] * TheMightyBuzzard returns the tissue and waits for a cold beer
[16:15:26] * cmn32480 hands themightybuzzard a cold beer and a coozy to keep it that way
[16:15:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> victory is mine! suck it, universe!
[16:18:21] <cmn32480> ~weather seattle
[16:18:22] <exec> 03Seattle, WA, USA - currently 55°F / 13°C, cloudy, wind S at 5 mph, humidity 76% - Thursday scattered showers (52°F-68°F / 11°C-20°C), Friday partly cloudy (51°F-68°F / 11°C-20°C), Saturday mostly sunny (55°F-73°F / 13°C-23°C), Sunday showers (55°F-67°F / 13°C-19°C)
[16:18:41] * cmn32480 thinks he might be jealous of Frogblast
[16:19:27] <FrogBlast> Wow... they revised our weekend way down.
[16:19:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;weather
[16:19:35] <MrPlow> Today: Plentiful sunshine. High 94F. Winds light and variable. Tomorrow: Generally sunny despite a few afternoon clouds. High 96F. Winds light and variable.
[16:19:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, well better mowing today than mowing tomorrow at least
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[17:30:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA to 'Lasso' a Comet to Hitchhike Across the Solar System - http://sylnt.us - freight-train-hopping-IN-SPAAAAAACE!
[17:33:19] <mechanicjay> sometimes technical people are the worst try and provide support to.
[17:38:12] <mechanicjay> Them: "Can you at least point me to some documentation for this!?!??!" Me: Two word google search. copy/paste the first link...
[17:49:28] <cmn32480> From a customer IT dept this morning: "Why can't I put 2 DHCP servers on the same network?"
[17:51:09] <cmn32480> https://www.youtube.com
[17:51:10] <Schwifty> ^ 03Clerks - Stupid Questions - YouTube
[17:51:20] <cmn32480> mechanicjay ^^
[17:52:50] <mechanicjay> cmn32480: a classic!
[17:53:19] <cmn32480> that is precisely how I feel today
[17:56:12] <cmn32480> https://www.youtube.com
[17:56:12] <Schwifty> ^ 03Welcome To The Internet Helpdesk - Official Version - YouTube
[18:13:27] <mechanicjay> Whens support gets me down, this one is fun: https://www.youtube.com
[18:13:28] <Schwifty> ^ 03The Homepage is Down!!! (with english subtitle) - YouTube
[18:16:49] <mechanicjay> cmn32480: https://www.youtube.com
[18:16:49] <Schwifty> ^ 03Clerks - YouTube
[18:24:23] <cmn32480> both classic!
[18:25:14] <exec> 05*** SN funding has changed from $1,066 to $1,172
[18:25:28] <cmn32480> WOO HOO!
[18:27:07] <mrcoolbp> Yay!
[18:27:20] <cmn32480> mrcoolbp !!
[18:27:36] <mrcoolbp> hey buddy, only a few minutes before work = (
[18:28:08] <cmn32480> awwww....
[18:28:12] <cmn32480> you get the email I sent?
[18:28:21] <cmn32480> about our volunteer?
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[22:03:41] <crutchy> coffee++
[22:03:41] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1625
[22:03:49] <crutchy> ~weather
[22:03:50] <exec> 03Melbourne VIC - currently 5°C, mostly sunny, wind W at 11 km/h, humidity 93% - Friday partly cloudy (7°C-14°C), Saturday partly cloudy (6°C-16°C), Sunday scattered showers (7°C-16°C), Monday scattered showers (9°C-14°C)
[22:04:06] <crutchy> lousy smarch weather
[22:12:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, crutchy
[22:15:17] <crutchy> g'day
[22:16:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, can't really put it off any more. gonna go mow.
[22:18:45] <crutchy> i gotta mow sometime this week too
[22:18:48] <crutchy> :(
[22:18:57] <crutchy> only problem with spring
[22:19:17] <crutchy> gotta go get mower fuel and then somehow get the fucker started
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