#Soylent | Logs for 2015-08-30

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[00:08:25] <paulej72> !moo
[00:09:38] <paulej72> !uid
[00:09:38] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5836, owned by tzzz
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[01:13:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~moo
[01:13:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, no exec
[01:13:45] * SpallsHurgenson barks
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[01:19:48] <Bytram> http://www.wsj.com
[01:19:54] <Schwifty> ^ 03Why I’m Not Looking to Hire Computer-Science Majors - WSJ
[01:21:40] <SpallsHurgenson> fascinating story; I especially liked the bit where "To Read the Full Story, Subscribe or Sign In "
[01:35:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA vs Nature - Key NASA Facility survived Hurricane Katrina - http://sylnt.us - keepin-our-heads-above-water
[01:36:42] <Bytram> SpallsHurgenson: take a look here:http://www.realdailybuzz.com/rdb.nsf/DocView?Open&UNID=af90e70693dae02c85257eb0000f1e24
[01:36:56] <SpallsHurgenson> god, I hate these "remember what happened a few years ago?" news stories. Katrina today, and in two weeks we gotta worshipfully rememebr 9/11 again
[01:37:06] <Bytram> nod nod
[01:37:19] <Bytram> afk biab
[01:37:41] <SirFinkus> holy shit SpallsHurgenson are you FORGETTING WHAT HAPPENED ON 9/11
[01:37:47] <SirFinkus> NEVAR FERGUT
[01:37:59] <SirFinkus> I suspect you aren't a PATRIOT
[01:38:00] <SpallsHurgenson> maybe I just hate America :)
[01:38:43] <SpallsHurgenson> note to self: don't buy any products from Dittach.
[01:39:14] <SirFinkus> never heard of it
[01:40:00] <SpallsHurgenson> they're the guys who don't think its worth hiring people who studied computer science but prefers to just hire cheap hacks from the street
[01:42:21] <SpallsHurgenson> motivated hackers who self-educate is great and all but the majority of them are (present company excluded, I'm sure) hacks who don't really understand what they're doing. CompSci might not teach how to program for iphone but they - at least at the better schools - probably give their students a much better understanding of the fundamentals
[01:43:04] * SirFinkus is a cheap hack
[01:43:06] <SpallsHurgenson> and given the sorry state of modern software, its probably worth it to spend a few extra bucks
[01:43:09] * SirFinkus wonders if they are hiring
[01:43:36] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm sure you one of the 1% who takes to programming logic naturally :)
[01:43:56] <SirFinkus> maybe, I'm too lazy though
[01:45:59] <SpallsHurgenson> from a business standpoint - where there is absolutely no penalty these days for churning out the lowest-quality, most bug-ridden, security-vulnerable code there is - it probably makes sense to look for the cheapest programmers. But knowing that's Dittach's policy doesn't make me want to buy their software
[01:46:24] <SirFinkus> my trouble has always been kind of the "architecture" part
[01:46:35] <SpallsHurgenson> I like "GOTO" :)
[01:46:58] <SirFinkus> logic wise, I can toss together a script or a small program pretty quickly, but as things get bigger I don't know how to plan ahead well enough
[02:05:02] <SpallsHurgenson> my AC doesn't seem to be Cing the A
[02:07:27] <SirFinkus> god, david blaine is a cunt
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[02:33:28] <SpallsHurgenson> hey crutchy; how's the missus?
[02:36:19] <takyon> the 15th anniversary of 9/11 will be worse than the 14th
[02:36:49] <takyon> since it's a nice divisible-by-5 number and occurs before the 2016 election
[02:38:36] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, surely our politicians wouldn't take advantage of such a tragic day for their own professional benefit?
[02:39:05] <takyon> isn't professional, it's public duty!
[02:39:58] <SpallsHurgenson> God bless them then; the sacrifices they make for our benefit!
[02:40:49] <crutchy> missus is ok
[02:40:53] <crutchy> bit sore
[02:40:55] <crutchy> thanks
[02:41:05] <SpallsHurgenson> crutchy: good to hear
[02:57:57] <JamesNZ> crutchy: What happened?
[02:58:53] <crutchy> gall bladder removed
[02:59:14] <JamesNZ> Eek :|
[03:00:09] <SpallsHurgenson> not necessarily hers :)
[03:01:10] * crutchy is so fkin sleepy :/
[03:15:18] <SirFinkus> you're on kid duty crutchy?
[03:25:03] <SpallsHurgenson> that's why he's here keeping an eye on us :)
[03:37:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Kettle Souring Makes Sour Beers on the Cheap - http://sylnt.us - drinking-on-the-job
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[04:18:12] * Deucalion peeks around the corner into #soylent - sees carnage, retreats
[05:08:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Many Published Psychology Results are Hogwash - http://sylnt.us - lies-damn-lies-and-statistics
[05:38:02] <SirFinkus> Deucalion doesn't like fun
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[07:09:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Fed-up Moms Create Their own Clothing for Girls - http://sylnt.us - diversity
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[09:41:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Raspberry Pi is Succeeding in Ways Its Makers Almost Imagined - http://sylnt.us - mmmmmm-pie
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[11:43:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - "Less-Than-Lethal" Weaponized Drones Coming to North Dakota - http://sylnt.us - skynet-here-we-come
[13:44:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Netflix Ultra HD Content Begins Leaking to Torrent Trackers - http://sylnt.us - how-many-pixels-is-enough
[15:46:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Julian Assange Advised Edward Snowden to Avoid Latin America, Despite "Negative PR" - http://sylnt.us - staying-safe
[17:47:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - This World of Ours - An Essay on Security - http://sylnt.us - security-is-overrated
[18:27:59] <Gravis> fix your links, news monkeys! https://soylentnews.org
[18:28:00] <Schwifty> ^ 03SN article: Fed-up Moms Create Their own Clothing for Girls 04(55 comments)
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[19:49:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - In Celebration of Macgyvering: 90 Hacks to Welcome in a New Word - http://sylnt.us - hacking-without-an-axe
[20:35:11] <Gravis> fix your links, news monkeys! https://soylentnews.org
[20:35:12] <Schwifty> ^* 03SN article: Fed-up Moms Create Their own Clothing for Girls 04(55 comments)
[20:35:13] <Gravis> fix your links, news monkeys! https://soylentnews.org
[20:35:13] <Schwifty> ^* 03SN article: Fed-up Moms Create Their own Clothing for Girls 04(55 comments)
[20:35:14] <Gravis> fix your links, news monkeys! https://soylentnews.org
[20:35:15] <Schwifty> ^* 03SN article: Fed-up Moms Create Their own Clothing for Girls 04(55 comments)
[21:36:32] <crutchy> o.O
[21:37:40] <crutchy> typical socialist; everyone else is merely a slave, but for the greater good of course :p
[21:50:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - "Tissue Velcro" Could Patch Damaged Organs - http://sylnt.us - these-scaffolds-aren't-aluminum
[22:16:43] <cmn32480|sleepin> Gravis - perhpas telling us what is incorerect woudl help
[22:17:21] <Gravis> this is the link text: https://soylentnews.org ("How to Get Girls Into Coding")
[22:17:22] <Schwifty> ^ 03SN article: How to Get Girls Into Coding 04(100 comments)
[22:17:36] <Gravis> this is the link target address: https://soylentnews.org
[22:17:51] <cmn32480|sleepin> now I understand what you are talking about
[22:17:59] <Gravis> notice that the target address is in the link text
[22:19:51] <cmn32480|sleepin> I have resolved your issue with a story 928 minutes in the past. :-)
[22:20:05] <Gravis> crutchy: if you dont like the socialist way of "everyone is a slave for the greater good" then go with the capitalist way, "everyone is a slave"
[22:20:40] <cmn32480|sleepin> I'm only a slave when my wife wants to pull out the restraints. :-)
[22:21:28] <Gravis> sure and i'm only a dog when i'm on the internet. -_-
[22:21:51] <cmn32480|sleepin> FETCH!
[22:22:14] <Gravis> cmn32480|sleepin: issue is not resolved: https://soylentnews.org
[22:22:14] <Schwifty> ^* 03SN article: Fed-up Moms Create Their own Clothing for Girls 04(55 comments)
[22:22:24] <Gravis> or there is a cache deally
[22:22:34] <cmn32480|sleepin> ctrl F5, please
[22:22:44] <cmn32480|sleepin> and yes, there is a cache delay
[22:23:31] <Gravis> cracked it open with lynx and it remains, so the cache issue would have to be with SN
[22:23:54] <cmn32480|sleepin> correct, sir
[22:24:11] <Gravis> kk
[22:24:37] <cmn32480|sleepin> I thought about putting in there [Links adjusted 'cuz Gravis was complainin'] but decided not to
[22:24:52] <Gravis> oh there it goes
[22:25:12] <cmn32480|sleepin> adn we prefer news primate over news monkey.... monkey is just so degrading!
[22:26:03] <Gravis> cmn32480|sleepin: i'm just trying to help
[22:26:13] <cmn32480|sleepin> and I'm just messin' with you
[22:26:30] <Gravis> and i'm just detonating
[22:26:34] <cmn32480|sleepin> I appreciate any nicely mentioned adjustments that need made
[22:26:35] * Gravis clicks button
[22:26:39] <cmn32480|sleepin> BOOM!
[22:27:07] <Gravis> hmm... must be faulty wiring
[22:27:17] <cmn32480|sleepin> you were far from being a dick, particularly when asked for clarification
[22:27:56] <cmn32480|sleepin> some would have answered "You figure it out"
[22:28:03] <cmn32480|sleepin> and at that point I'd have ignored them
[22:29:53] <Gravis> hmm... is there some sort of automated spell check that could detect links as text?
[22:30:10] <crutchy> could be automated
[22:30:36] <crutchy> want me to do a github issue, or you wanna have a shot?
[22:30:47] <crutchy> ~issue-rehash
[22:30:59] <crutchy> derp
[22:30:59] <Gravis> crutchy: i'll let you take that risk
[22:31:04] <crutchy> lol
[22:31:12] <crutchy> bot isn't even here :p
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[22:31:26] <crutchy> ~issue-rehash
[22:31:43] <crutchy> fuck i can't remember how to do this
[22:31:57] <crutchy> ~rehash-issue
[22:31:58] <Gravis> see... now it's taken your memory
[22:31:59] <exec> syntax: ~slashcode/rehash/exec-issue <title>, <body>
[22:32:05] <crutchy> ah there we go
[22:33:30] <crutchy> oh crap
[22:33:51] <crutchy> was it that a url was appearing as text without an anchor?
[22:34:02] * crutchy never actually looked at the article :p
[22:35:05] <Gravis> crutchy: the anchor was in the text as well as actually being the anchor
[22:35:44] <Gravis> effective <a href="https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/06/07/0711244">https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/06/07/0711244 ("How to Get Girls Into Coding")</a>
[22:35:44] <Schwifty> ^* 03SN article: How to Get Girls Into Coding 04(100 comments)
[22:36:11] <Gravis> effectively*
[22:38:03] <crutchy> ~rehash-issue automated checker to detect links as text and highlight to editor, <Gravis> the anchor was in the text as well as actually being the anchor, effective <a href="https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/06/07/0711244">https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/06/07/0711244 ("How to Get Girls Into Coding")</a> - would be handy to have some way of highlighting automagically for editors
[22:38:06] <exec> https://github.com
[22:38:55] <crutchy> derp. sorry mate i should've thought to remove the <> from around your nick
[22:39:02] * crutchy facepalms
[22:40:13] * crutchy added a quick follow up to give attribution for idea
[22:40:37] <Gravis> i blame github for not recognizing what is and is not html
[22:41:07] <crutchy> heh
[22:41:34] * crutchy blames xml for the abomination of arbitrary tags
[22:41:39] <AndyTheAbsurd> it probably auto-inserted a "</gravis>" tag in there, too.
[22:41:51] <Gravis> :>
[22:42:00] <AndyTheAbsurd> XML: Something that *looks* like a good idea, until you see JSON.
[22:42:46] <crutchy> AndyTheAbsurd, true that
[22:43:10] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: yeah... JSON is great until you need to explain it to someone who doesn't know code
[22:43:49] <crutchy> actually yeah xml is a little simpler to type. can just be a bitch to parse
[22:43:58] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: feel free to explain why they can't use quotes and apostrophes in a sentance or what escape characters are
[22:44:09] <crutchy> prolly wouldn't be so bad if it was just tags with no attributes
[22:44:53] * crutchy admits he has recently used xml for storing a tree data structure *hides*
[22:46:14] <crutchy> the most reliable machine-readable plain text structured data format is php serialized strings; typed and includes lengths
[22:46:17] <Gravis> crutchy: one pitfall of xml is you can't have cross domain inclusion. e.g. XML doesn't result in bold 'X', oblique 'M' and italics 'L'
[22:46:35] <crutchy> ah yeah there's that
[22:46:59] <crutchy> though that would be pretty weird for a data structure'
[22:47:39] <Gravis> crutchy: i've come across it being a serious problem
[22:48:02] <crutchy> is there any other format that wouldn't fuck that up though? json wouldn't handle it
[22:48:21] <crutchy> its like one foot tripping over the other
[22:48:37] <Gravis> crutchy: i think of them more as flags
[22:50:14] <Gravis> crutchy: it's specifically a problem in data organization where you are marking subsections of text as having different properties
[22:50:42] <crutchy> ah yeah i think i see now
[22:51:24] <crutchy> hmm. that would be a tricky one
[22:51:48] <crutchy> i would probably reference by char index for each property
[22:52:49] <Gravis> it would be less of a problem if you were able to tell the parser the exact length of the property and not have a closing tag
[22:53:21] <crutchy> <text>XML</text><pos>0</pos><len>2</len><pos>1</pos><len>2</len>
[22:53:26] <crutchy> something like that maybe ^
[22:53:47] <Gravis> more like this: XML
[22:54:07] <crutchy> or that :)
[22:55:21] <crutchy> xml parsers should be able to read both. i guess its up to the reader software to extract it
[22:56:25] <Gravis> yeah... but it's not very good when you have a length of 37 and you have to start counting characters to grok it
[22:56:40] <Gravis> the point of xml is to be human readable
[22:56:44] <crutchy> must admit i don't deal with xml like html much. usually only use xml for machine-read complex data
[22:56:59] <crutchy> lol yeah that would be a pain
[22:58:04] <Gravis> xml is great when it's just for machines... the problem there is that it's intended to be for humans too
[22:59:17] <Gravis> the worst is when you have a config file in xml and the program is retarded so that it the xml isn't perfect it just overwrites the whole thing with a default config file
[22:59:32] <Gravis> i had that problem with gnome 2 and it pissed me off
[22:59:51] <crutchy> ah yeah i tried to avoid gnome config files
[22:59:58] <Gravis> the problem was that it destroyed ALL of my configuration settings
[23:00:04] <crutchy> gconfedit was pretty goot
[23:00:09] <crutchy> *good
[23:00:19] <crutchy> or was it just gconf
[23:00:24] <crutchy> fek i can't remember
[23:00:26] <Gravis> gconf
[23:00:31] * crutchy uses xfce now
[23:01:01] <Gravis> yeah... the gnome people lost their minds and then lost their userbase
[23:01:40] <Gravis> the remaining devs are rabid "gnome 3 is the best" people
[23:02:46] <crutchy> dammit i gotta drive to melbourne soon
[23:02:54] <crutchy> better go get dressed :/
[23:03:11] <crutchy> good chatting with you Gravis
[23:03:24] <Gravis> crutchy: stay out of jail. :)
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[23:48:31] <Gnome3IsTheBest> the inevitable backtracking begins: http://www.zdnet.com
[23:48:32] <Schwifty> ^ 03Microsoft's Windows 10: Business users may get patch details after all | ZDNet
[23:50:18] <SirFinkus> "We don't do full change lists, it is too tough to manage and doesn't really add any value," Windows Insider chief Gabe Aul said on Twitter recently, in response to users asking about patch and update change lists.
[23:50:21] <SirFinkus> GSAKJSKLDJRKLEJRKLSJDRIODSUFJKSDNXMNFIUDSYRIJSHKLDSFJKLFJD
[23:50:36] <Gnome3IsTheBest> I think you misspelled that
[23:51:07] <SirFinkus> I was trying to spell inarticulate rage, so it looks correct to m
[23:51:08] <SirFinkus> me
[23:52:00] * SirFinkus wonders if they have the same attitude towards source control
[23:52:10] <Gnome3IsTheBest> no, there's definitely supposed to be three N's in there
[23:52:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Theory: Electromagnetic Energy Without Radiation - http://sylnt.us - fun-with-magnets
[23:52:25] <SirFinkus> "naw you don't need commit messages, they don't add any value and are too tough to manage"
[23:53:37] <Gnome3IsTheBest> source control needs to implement commit massages
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