#Soylent | Logs for 2015-08-25

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[00:05:26] <BadCoderFinger> Hi guys
[00:17:31] <takyon> w
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[00:40:51] <BadCoderFinger> Hey Spalls
[00:41:16] <SpallsHurgenson> How did you recognize me in my cunning disguise?
[00:41:16] <ciri> very carefully and then some
[00:41:42] <BadCoderFinger> Lucky guess?
[00:42:12] <SpallsHurgenson> see, normally I come in with another nick... so I figured if I came in with MY nick you would't know it was me!
[00:42:42] <BadCoderFinger> Banking on my intelligence was probably a mistake.
[00:43:15] <SpallsHurgenson> I will keep that in mind for the future
[00:43:46] <BadCoderFinger> Heh!
[00:44:09] <SpallsHurgenson> what news in the land of the Finger family?
[00:44:52] <BadCoderFinger> My nine siblings are well.
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[00:45:18] <BadCoderFinger> Although two are shorter, and most times counter to the rest of us. We call them thumbs.
[00:45:44] <SpallsHurgenson> 7. Thumbs don't count as fingers. They're freaks and should be excluded from proper fingery society
[00:46:49] * SpallsHurgenson is a rabid anti-thumbite
[00:47:07] <BadCoderFinger> That's a lot of hate for thumbs.
[00:48:28] <BadCoderFinger> I like my opposable thumbs, since they help me open beer.
[00:50:11] <SpallsHurgenson> bah, just grasp it with your fingers, smash it downwards on something hard to break it open, and drink from the jagged edge. It was good enough for our forefathers did millions of years ago, it should be good enough for us!
[00:53:08] <BadCoderFinger> Sounds neither convenient nor appetizing.
[00:56:39] <SpallsHurgenson> I wish HBO didn't insist on using Flash so I could watch their shows on a big screen and not on my ipad
[01:04:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Infidelity Website Hack Leads to Suicides in Canada - http://sylnt.us - life-is-short
[01:04:42] <BadCoderFinger> Flash. Boy are they keeping up with the times.
[01:05:34] <SpallsHurgenson> well, seeing as it they can stream to a flashless iOS device, obviously they have the capability... they just hate desktop users, I think :)
[01:06:34] <BadCoderFinger> HBO hates everybody.
[01:06:53] <BadCoderFinger> "You still have money left? We hate you!"
[01:09:39] <SpallsHurgenson> so I shouldn't take the death threats or the dismembered relatives personally?
[01:10:40] <BadCoderFinger> They send those letters to everyone.
[01:10:48] <BadCoderFinger> Email is cheap, you know.
[01:11:06] <BadCoderFinger> I just forward the Nigerian ones on to HBO.
[01:12:30] <takyon> just forward Ashley Madison spam to HBO
[01:16:34] <BadCoderFinger> They'll love that!
[01:16:35] <SpallsHurgenson> that story always makes me smile since I used to work with a woman named Ashley Madison
[01:17:12] <BadCoderFinger> Did she have to answer the phone a lot with, "I'll have to call you back?"
[01:19:31] <SpallsHurgenson> not answer, but yes she used that phrase often :)
[01:28:18] <SpallsHurgenson> I need to hotkey my hashifier
[01:36:26] <BadCoderFinger> I'm not sure those words mean what you think.
[01:38:47] <SpallsHurgenson> I'll just deny that I ever used them, then
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[01:55:52] <SpallsHurgenson> cheese it, its the cops!
[02:02:17] <takyon> http://www.theverge.com
[02:02:18] <spankr> ^ 03Before he self destructed: chronicling the fall of 50 Cent | The Verge
[02:07:11] <SpallsHurgenson> I wish the 50 cent piece had caught on.... its the penny that has outlasted its usefulness
[02:13:01] <takyon> funny, I have a roll of 50 pennies right next to me
[02:13:03] <takyon> no lie
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[02:15:04] * SpallsHurgenson marvels at the coincidence. Truly the world is rocking to its very core by this serendipitous happenstance!
[02:18:45] <CoolHand> RIP Justin Wilson - great guy... really sux.. :( http://news.google.com
[02:18:55] <CoolHand> stupid google
[02:19:04] <CoolHand> http://sports.usatoday.com
[02:19:04] <spankr> 💩 03IndyCar driver Justin Wilson dies | USA TODAY Sports
[02:21:27] <SpallsHurgenson> may he finally turn right in heaven
[02:30:39] <SpallsHurgenson> got too many damn windows open. I think I need a fourth monitor
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[09:27:49] <Bytram> !uid
[09:27:49] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5829, owned by inzkeeper
[09:27:55] <Bytram> ~weather
[09:27:56] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[09:28:00] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[09:28:01] <exec> 03Boston, MA, USA - currently 67°F, clear with periodic clouds, wind SE at 5 mph, humidity 95% - Tuesday scattered thunderstorms (68°F-81°F), Wednesday partly cloudy (63°F-82°F), Thursday mostly sunny (61°F-80°F), Friday mostly sunny (61°F-80°F)
[09:28:06] <Bytram> ~weather portland, me
[09:28:07] <exec> 03Portland, ME, USA - currently 68°F, cloudy, wind E at 4 mph, humidity 100% - Tuesday scattered thunderstorms (64°F-73°F), Wednesday showers (60°F-77°F), Thursday mostly sunny (58°F-78°F), Friday mostly sunny (58°F-77°F)
[09:28:18] <Bytram> ~weather presque isle
[09:28:20] <exec> 03Presque Isle, ME, USA - currently 64°F, cloudy, wind SE at 9 mph, humidity 88% - Tuesday isolated thunderstorms (62°F-79°F), Wednesday scattered thunderstorms (58°F-70°F), Thursday scattered thunderstorms (52°F-75°F), Friday partly cloudy (55°F-74°F)
[09:28:36] <Bytram> ~weather mcmurdo
[09:28:37] <exec> 03McMurdo, Antarctica - currently -27°F, cloudy, wind E at 17 mph, humidity 46% - Tuesday cloudy (-30°F--22°F), Wednesday cloudy (-19°F--17°F), Thursday cloudy (-2°F-5°F), Friday snow showers (-1°F-3°F)
[09:28:44] <Bytram> ~weather baghdad
[09:28:45] <exec> 03Baghdad, Iraq - currently 106°F, mostly sunny, wind W at 3 mph, humidity 20% - Tuesday sunny (81°F-111°F), Wednesday sunny (81°F-109°F), Thursday sunny (83°F-111°F), Friday sunny (82°F-113°F)
[09:29:02] <Bytram> coffee++
[09:29:02] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1599
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[09:34:25] <crutchy> Bytram, planning a trip?
[09:34:56] <Bytram> nope, just like to get some comparatives on weather somewhat locally and at the extremes
[09:35:05] <crutchy> ah
[09:35:09] <crutchy> ~g'day Bytram
[09:35:11] * exec unjustifiably cracks open a cold can of vibrating rooster sammich for Bytram
[09:35:17] <crutchy> o.O
[09:35:47] <Bytram> yeah, had trouble sleeping so I'm trying to chill for a bit and hope to get back to sleep before a long day... nice to have exec back!
[09:37:10] <Bytram> ~weather crutchy
[09:37:12] <exec> 03Melbourne VIC - currently 54°F, mostly cloudy, wind SE at 13 mph, humidity 62% - Tuesday partly cloudy (43°F-56°F), Wednesday cloudy (42°F-60°F), Thursday partly cloudy (47°F-61°F), Friday scattered showers (40°F-54°F)
[09:38:46] <crutchy> shattered scours :(
[09:38:49] <crutchy> shitty weather
[09:38:58] * crutchy is looking forward to summer again
[09:39:30] * Bytram is seeing autumn fast approaching and is not much pleased -- kind of missed summer I was so busy
[09:40:04] <crutchy> i can handle 40+ deg C better than 2 deg
[09:40:09] <crutchy> hate cold weather
[09:41:26] <Bytram> when it's cold, I can always put on another layer... there's limits to how much clothing I can remove
[09:49:42] <Bytram> afk
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[10:00:59] <crutchy> spallshurgenson knows no such limits :p
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[10:34:02] <Bytram> back to bed... have a good day everyone!
[10:34:16] <crutchy> gnight mate
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[17:54:13] <mechanicjay> woot, figured out my damn database issue!
[17:54:20] * mechanicjay celebrates alone
[17:54:43] <AndyTheAbsurd> yay!
[17:55:02] <AndyTheAbsurd> what kind of database issue were you having, and how did you fix it?
[17:55:27] <mechanicjay> running a GitLab upgrade and a db schema update script failed.
[17:55:28] * AndyTheAbsurd is having a "org.json.simple.JSONObject is not org.json.JSONObject" problem
[17:55:37] <AndyTheAbsurd> and apparently you can't cast between them.
[17:56:39] <mechanicjay> Turns out, some upgrade far in the past, added a particular schema update to the "schema_migrations" table, with out actually executing the update. Essentially setting a time bomb.
[17:57:15] <Gravis> mechanicjay: it should have been obvious after entering mr bobby tables into the db ;)
[17:57:43] <mechanicjay> It's a simple operation to nuke those entires and re-run the migrator script -- but like you know, discovery sometimes takes a day.
[17:58:01] <mechanicjay> Gravis: Damn, I should have thought of that first!
[17:59:05] <mechanicjay> GitLab is also a RoR app, using chef to configure itself -- so it's about 12 steps of indirection before you can actually kind of figure out what the hell is actually going on under the covers.
[17:59:22] <Gravis> mechanicjay: your scripts should check the tables/schemas to ensure they are what is expected BEFORE moving data.
[18:00:20] <Gravis> lulz. ruby.
[18:01:06] <Gravis> mechanicjay: ruby is what happens when html and basic have a baby.
[18:01:10] <mechanicjay> Soft of agree, but tell it to the dev team, I'm just run the software for my department. Using a database field to indicate the expected schema version is pretty standard practice though
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[18:01:52] <Gravis> mechanicjay: well at least notify the dev team of the issue
[18:02:16] <Gravis> mechanicjay: maybe add a frowny face to the end of the email too
[18:02:24] <mechanicjay> Gravis: I'd say RoR is the failed aborted fetus of html/basic
[18:02:33] <Gravis> LOL
[18:02:34] <ciri> now that is funny
[18:03:00] <mechanicjay> Gravis: I have an issue open and have been working with them, but figured it out before they could be of much help.
[18:03:19] <Gravis> mechanicjay: i remember when ruby was all the rage.
[18:03:39] <Gravis> language du jour, if you will
[18:04:04] <mechanicjay> I did mention they should put something in the Release Notes about it, since if you've been running this for a while, you're going to get bit.
[18:04:22] <mechanicjay> I saw this in my test environment first, figured out the fix, then saw the same thing waiting for me in prod.
[18:04:41] <mechanicjay> Gravis: Ruby makes me rage.
[18:05:06] <Gravis> mechanicjay: so... about to take down production and fix it quick to look like a hero? :D
[18:05:57] <Gravis> mechanicjay: or rather, send someone else to do the update and destroy everything
[18:06:04] <Gravis> then you swoop in with the fix!
[18:06:26] <mechanicjay> Sometimes I hate to claim that I write fluent PHP -- but at least it comprehensible to mere mortals who haven't shoved the abstracted framework cock down their throat.
[18:06:48] <mechanicjay> Gravis: Sounds good -- if I had any minions...
[18:08:23] <Gravis> php is dangerous :(
[18:09:02] <mechanicjay> Better than the perl stuff I'm forced to maintain.
[18:09:11] <Gravis> php is probably responsible for most site hacked in all of history
[18:09:30] <Gravis> perl :(((
[18:09:37] <mechanicjay> bad php code, sure
[18:10:00] <mechanicjay> people who don't sanitize their inputs or go through a db abstraction layer.
[18:10:33] <mechanicjay> You could say that C is dangerous too because things that are exploited are written in C, but I wouldn't really buy that argurment either.
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[18:11:19] <Gravis> mechanicjay: C is dangerous because it's way too easy to do a buffer overflow.
[18:12:05] <Gravis> mechanicjay: that and when idiots decide to do pointer math
[18:12:32] <mechanicjay> Gravis: Yes, I understand that. I band saw is dangerous because it's far too easy to chop off a finger. Regardless, I'd blame the craftsman for not using his tool properly when it happens.
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[18:13:14] <Gravis> mechanicjay: the difference is accessibility
[18:13:41] <Gravis> mechanicjay: if band saws were free, a lot more people would cut off their fingers
[18:14:05] <mechanicjay> Gravis: I still wouldn't be blaming the band saw.
[18:14:32] <Gravis> mechanicjay: nope, blame the guy giving away band saws to idiots!
[18:15:08] <mechanicjay> Maybe you're approaching it from the wrong side -- I think you're getting at impact. If I cut off my finger, I suffer, maybe my immediate family. If I do something stupid in code...Heartbleed!
[18:15:17] <Gravis> mechanicjay: however, php itself has had a huge amount of vunerabilties that got exploited
[18:15:18] <mechanicjay> So now that I've shot down my own argument....
[18:15:47] <AndyTheAbsurd> I haven't worked with it much but PHP seems kind of terrible on all fronts.
[18:16:24] <mechanicjay> This guy goes off why PHP is the worst: http://eev.ee
[18:16:25] <spankr> 💩 03PHP: a fractal of bad design / fuzzy notepad
[18:17:02] <Gravis> java is great in concept but it's total shit.
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[18:17:33] <mechanicjay> It's pretty extensive, and he's mostly right.
[18:18:17] <mechanicjay> Yes, here's my 100KB of boilerplate code to write hello world, which then take 45 seconds to run while I spin up a JVM and tear it down again.
[18:18:33] <Gravis> c++ isn't perfect but it's got a lot of good things going for it.
[18:18:33] <Bender> karma - c: 38
[18:19:11] <Gravis> mechanicjay: i call that, "write once, slow everywhere!" design
[18:19:14] <mechanicjay> Still though for big enterprisy server-side apps, Java is not the worst and is quite mature at this point. Keep it the hell out of my browser though.
[18:19:51] * AndyTheAbsurd is working in Java currently and isn't finding it bad
[18:20:07] <AndyTheAbsurd> extensive ecosystem makes things easy, usually.
[18:20:37] <Gravis> mechanicjay: probably the biggest problem with java is garbage collection because you end up with idiots just eatting all the memory on a server and having their app come to a grinding halt
[18:21:26] <Gravis> so... really, java developers are a big problem.
[18:21:38] <mechanicjay> I was using Python fairly extensively a year or so ago, and after I got into it, was quite happy to use it.
[18:21:49] <mechanicjay> Gravis: it's always the developers ;)
[18:21:49] <Gravis> meh
[18:22:21] <AndyTheAbsurd> Java developers may be A problem, but JavaScript developers are THE problem of the internet.
[18:22:22] <Gravis> mechanicjay: yeah... but it's like all developers that only know java that are problem
[18:22:36] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: agreed
[18:23:36] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: i think a great deal of javascript could be removed if CSS added native support of animations and click based events
[18:23:44] <mechanicjay> AndyTheAbsurd: Yes, I do as much as I possible can before adding in any javascript. That which is Javascript, is very limited in scope.
[18:24:01] <AndyTheAbsurd> mechanicjay: that's the way it should be.
[18:24:39] <mechanicjay> Gravis: I did a really crazy thing a while go with CSS regions and showing/hiding based on button clicks. Give it total Ajaxy feel, without the BS.
[18:24:52] <AndyTheAbsurd> Gravis: external analytics sites and CDNs that only let you load things by inserting JS into your page are equally problematic.
[18:25:04] <AndyTheAbsurd> ever try to go to target.com with NoScript enabled?
[18:25:23] <AndyTheAbsurd> You have to enable two or three layers of things before the site functions properly.
[18:25:23] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: you are right about some sites
[18:25:46] <AndyTheAbsurd> I've seen sites that are far worse than that, too.
[18:26:05] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: but i think the majority of "opps... you need javascript" is related to animations
[18:26:58] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: however, i think javascript could be killed if done properly
[18:27:02] <AndyTheAbsurd> I usually quit after about six rounds of "Okay, what scripts get loaded when I allow scripts from THAT site to load are needed to get this site functioning?" If I have to go that far down the rabbit hole, the best way out is to just teleport back out by closing the browser tab.
[18:27:50] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: indeed, there needs to be a collaborative effort for making sites work without js bullshit
[18:30:57] <AndyTheAbsurd> I'm actually trying to get the front-end guys at my job to take as much JS out of our pages as possible.
[18:31:15] <AndyTheAbsurd> We're supposed to be changing to a new CMS soon, so it's the right time to do it.
[18:31:36] <AndyTheAbsurd> of course, "soon" in this context may mean "sometime in the next couple of years, maybe"
[18:32:09] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: should be easy, just send them screen shots of lynx with the page non-functional and demand they make it work. :P
[18:34:09] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: if they dont go for that, demand support for _all_ versions of IE, going back to 2.0. :DDD
[18:36:24] <AndyTheAbsurd> heh
[18:36:35] <AndyTheAbsurd> *everyone* here hates IE.
[18:38:02] <AndyTheAbsurd> well, now my shit's working. And it's insanely faster than it used to be.
[18:39:15] <AndyTheAbsurd> Converted it from a call to an external WAR file that used Ibatis to access MySQL to a call to our Solr indexer (and some stupid conversion logic because I find that easier than digging out everywhere this data gets used).
[18:39:37] <AndyTheAbsurd> and Solr is stupid fast at what it does - even though this geolocation stuff.
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[19:03:43] <Gravis> arg... stupid computer became unresponsive. :(
[19:03:56] <Gravis> probably the graphics card driver.
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