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[00:24:08] <cmn32480|sleepin> is it wrong to hope a client's building burns to the ground a la Milton?
[00:25:29] <BadCoderFinger> Nope.
[00:25:42] <BadCoderFinger> I think I've had that hope once or twice.
[00:25:54] <cmn32480|sleepin> been hoping that it happens to this hospital in NOLA
[00:26:02] <cmn32480|sleepin> so far no luck
[00:27:20] <arti> in what order did you light the candles?
[00:27:35] <arti> has the goat been sacrificed
[00:29:53] <cmn32480|sleepin> left to right... and no. we used a printer.. kind like in office space
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[01:06:57] <SirFinkus> you have hope, that's your problem
[01:07:11] <arti> bitter about your 08 ballot cast?
[01:07:26] <SirFinkus> lolno, I didn't vote for him
[01:07:44] <arti> just like most 'muricans are canadians abroad ;0
[01:09:26] <SirFinkus> I saw through all that hope bullshit
[01:17:52] <cmn32480> the only hope and change we have is that ther si hope that we have some change left in our wallets when he gets out of office
[01:18:21] <cmn32480> and regardless of who wins next election, I odn't think it'll get any better
[01:23:33] <SirFinkus> hmm, these chips have something in them that causes "reproductive toxicity"
[01:23:41] <SirFinkus> maybe they mean I'll get fat if I eat too many
[01:24:05] <arti> what brand? Shootin' Blanks brand crisps?
[01:26:15] <Deucalion> a food stuff that makes you fire blanks? That sounds worrying. But then I suppose chips aren't a food stuff, so carry on :P
[01:26:25] <cmn32480> sounbds like that vasectomy alternative I been looking for!
[01:26:45] <cmn32480> Is there a guarantee on it?
[01:26:52] <Deucalion> as long as it is reversible once one stops eating said chips
[01:27:11] <SirFinkus> I got them at 7 Eleven
[01:27:21] <SirFinkus> maple bacon
[01:27:30] <arti> nah you just need Blamo brand, with extra sauce
[01:27:43] <Deucalion> some nastiness in the flavourings or colourings perchance?
[01:27:44] <SirFinkus> does it have electrolytes?
[01:29:03] <arti> yeah, Sour Onion flavor aka SO's Favorite
[01:29:23] <cmn32480> but what is the brand name?
[01:29:39] <cmn32480> that is the most important part of this conversation
[01:29:49] <Deucalion> "high in electrolytes - it's good for you!" - umm, yeah, that would a shit ton of salts then....
[01:31:24] <SirFinkus> 7 eleven
[01:32:33] <cmn32480> no, I understand where you bought them...
[01:33:22] <SirFinkus> that's the brand
[01:33:41] <SirFinkus> http://www.kettlebrand.com these are the best chips in the world though
[01:33:46] <exec> └─ 13Kettle / Potato Chips
[01:34:28] <cmn32480> Kettle? I dind't ask how they are cooked... what's the brand?
[01:34:39] <cmn32480> thoguh I do love kettle chips
[01:34:44] <SirFinkus> asshole
[01:34:46] <arti> what's your current favorite?
[01:34:50] <Deucalion> Kettle brand crisps (what we call chips here) in my experience are way over flavoured and salted for my tastes.
[01:34:53] * arti likes the maple bacon ones
[01:35:01] <SirFinkus> yeah, they're hit or miss
[01:35:07] <SirFinkus> the salt and vinegar ones are shit
[01:35:13] <arti> good shit or bad shit?
[01:35:16] <cmn32480> thank you SirFinkus! That didn't take nearly as long as I thoguht it woudl
[01:35:17] <SirFinkus> bad shit
[01:35:29] <SirFinkus> the kind the comes out of cmn32480
[01:35:42] <arti> those are called submissions
[01:35:56] <SirFinkus> so he's a bottom?
[01:36:10] * SirFinkus went there
[01:36:18] <cmn32480> rofl
[01:36:27] * Deucalion just rolls eyes
[01:36:34] <cmn32480> I needed that kind of a laugh
[01:36:35] * SirFinkus didn't notice that they had red curry and cheddar beer flavored ones
[01:36:37] <cmn32480> thanks
[01:36:51] <SirFinkus> any time
[01:37:16] <SirFinkus> anyway, the UK is pretty fucked up, they call cookies biscuits
[01:37:39] <arti> some background music for this convo https://www.youtube.com
[01:37:41] <exec> └─ 13Витас — 7 Элемент (2001) - YouTube [04Vitas - 7 Element (2001) - YouTube]
[01:37:43] <SirFinkus> and Fries chips
[01:38:11] <cmn32480> adn their leader is in drag
[01:38:12] <SirFinkus> and blood sausage "food"
[01:38:22] <cmn32480> she a Queen after all
[01:38:32] <SirFinkus> actually, blood sausage is probably good as fuck
[01:38:44] <cmn32480> it is excellent if you get some that is made good
[01:38:56] <SirFinkus> should have used jellied eels or something
[01:39:52] <cmn32480> ther is still time
[01:40:05] <SirFinkus> oh, and they eat baked beans on toast for breakfast
[01:40:14] <SirFinkus> and call it breakfast
[01:40:17] <cmn32480> Deucalion, what other nasty foods do you guys eat over there?
[01:40:22] <SirFinkus> that's pretty heinos
[01:40:27] <SirFinkus> heinous even
[01:40:28] <cmn32480> what's wrong with beans on toast?
[01:40:36] <cmn32480> beans are good at ANY TIME.
[01:40:41] <arti> beans on toast bruh
[01:40:42] <cmn32480> they are the musical fruit!
[01:40:48] <SirFinkus> nothing in particular, but for breakfast?
[01:40:49] <arti> the full monty is legit
[01:40:59] <SirFinkus> and it soaks into the bread
[01:41:03] <SirFinkus> makes it all soggy
[01:41:04] <arti> sirfinkus they think americans are strange for pb & j
[01:41:26] <SirFinkus> exactly, which means they can get fucked, pb & j is delicious
[01:41:41] <cmn32480> Deucalion, what nasty foods do we eat on this side of the pnd that you can't quite grasp?
[01:41:50] <cmn32480> pb&j is nasty
[01:41:53] <cmn32480> love pb
[01:41:55] <cmn32480> love j
[01:41:58] <cmn32480> not together
[01:42:03] <cmn32480> like an unholy marriage
[01:42:06] <arti> sorta like icecream and pizza. i like both but not together
[01:42:11] <SirFinkus> today I learned that cmn32480 is a terrible person
[01:42:21] <SirFinkus> as is arti
[01:42:32] <arti> secretly you'll fap to us
[01:42:38] <cmn32480> but ice cream and bacon is awesome
[01:42:47] <SirFinkus> secretly? you don't know me very well
[01:42:56] <cmn32480> my wife doesn't believe me
[01:43:02] <SirFinkus> when I fap to you guys, I'll let the entire channel know, trust me
[01:43:07] <SirFinkus> there will probably be a stream
[01:43:27] <SirFinkus> bacon maple bars are delicious
[01:44:18] <SirFinkus> oh, I missed a musical fruit thing
[01:44:22] <SirFinkus> this is a musical fruit https://www.youtube.com
[01:44:25] <exec> └─ 13Liberace Music Video & Entrance 1981 - YouTube
[01:46:06] <cmn32480> so is this: https://www.youtube.com
[01:46:09] <exec> └─ 13Boy George - Do You Really Want To Hurt Me - YouTube
[01:50:11] <Deucalion> cmn32480, the Queen doesn't run anything in the UK, it's a parliamentary democracy - what's left of royal "control" is merely vestigial BS to keep the tourists happy. Nice troll attempt though :P
[01:50:48] <arti> keep the tourists happy? it's a profit center!
[01:50:50] <cmn32480> meh... I've been wiht my kids all day. I'm lucky my brain hasn't dripped out my ear
[01:51:07] <SirFinkus> me shitting on beans on toast was probably a better troll
[01:52:37] <cmn32480> yo shitting on beans on toast is probably why they taste bad when you eat them.
[01:53:43] <BadCoderFinger> Probably completely ruins the flavor. Maybe if you fed it to a Civet cat first...
[01:53:58] <Deucalion> cmn32480, I think everywhere has it's "nasty" foods from the perspective of an outsider. The Belgians and French with their mayonnaise on fries. For me, the US dish that would have me retching is biscuit and gravy.... to me gravy is a meat based sauce not that white sauce concoction. But eh, whatever works.
[01:54:29] <arti> lol
[01:54:50] <arti> chinese food doesn't have any nasty foods.
[01:54:58] <cmn32480> biscuits and gravy makes many of us turn away too. primarily a southern thign that I for one woudl like to distance myself from
[01:55:09] <arti> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[01:55:20] <cmn32480> oooooo chinese!
[01:55:30] <cmn32480> the characters, not the food
[01:55:32] <arti> basically if it moves, it's eaten.
[01:56:23] <BadCoderFinger> That describes a Cajun.
[01:57:37] <Deucalion> arti, they are a profit centre - lots of tourists come to gawp at Buckingham Palace and Windsor Castle - mostly americans and japanese, but while they are here they drop a shit load of change into accommodation and eating and shopping at Harrods... just to say they went there. Befuddles me why there is the interest, but eh, if it makes them happy, why not?
[01:58:13] <arti> probably has to do with the whole empire that spanned the globe
[01:58:58] <arti> people flock to disneyland around these parts
[01:59:00] <SirFinkus> Deucalion the white grave is meat based, and delicious when home made
[01:59:01] <Deucalion> sadly our political leaders seem to be under the impression that that is still a thing...
[01:59:46] <SirFinkus> fuck the queen, I'd be outraged that any of my tax dollars went to that bullshit
[02:00:20] <SirFinkus> although I guess our political system is almost as incestuous as a monarchy
[02:00:21] <arti> outraged?
[02:00:29] <SirFinkus> OUTRAGED
[02:00:32] <Deucalion> SirFinkus, it's not BS, it's our heritage as a nation and as above they generate income.
[02:00:43] <arti> http://www.outsidethebeltway.com
[02:00:47] <SirFinkus> "heritage" is a shitty reason to do something
[02:01:17] <arti> you sound progressive
[02:02:11] <SirFinkus> you can make an argument for tourism, but you could probably get rid of the royal family and keep all the trappings and have similar levels of tourism
[02:02:22] <SirFinkus> also takes care of the "heritage" thing
[02:02:27] <Deucalion> yep, let's not learn from or respect the past, that sounds like a sound way to... well, I don't know, fuck things up in exactly the same ways over and over again ad infinitum.
[02:03:24] <SirFinkus> so what value does having a royal family add to society?
[02:03:33] <SirFinkus> what lessons does it teach?
[02:04:37] <arti> why don't we ask the japanese?
[02:04:52] * Deucalion sighs
[02:05:11] <arti> you've got a an affinity for rigid japanese society
[02:05:12] <SirFinkus> I'm willing to be convinced, but I haven't heard a good argument in favor of it
[02:05:29] <arti> is it really so hard to understand that power isn't easily given up?
[02:05:45] <arti> how about all those bozos in the east who refer to themselves as presidents?
[02:06:43] <SirFinkus> presidents (at least US presidents) are different because there's at least the pretense of democracy there
[02:06:55] <arti> sure there is
[02:07:17] <Deucalion> SirFinkus, the monarchy in the UK is purely cosmetic, they do not rule, they have no way to influence politics or what goes on within the society. They are a tourist attraction, an artefact if the past, they make good ambassadors for relations with other countries that still respect their monarchy enough to entrust them with absolute power.
[02:07:30] <SirFinkus> royalty is purely a matter of bloodlines
[02:07:42] <arti> lichtenstein is another
[02:07:43] <SirFinkus> I understand they don't have any real power Deucalion
[02:07:43] <Deucalion> Yes it is, but that is irrelevant.
[02:07:46] <arti> spain another
[02:08:40] <SirFinkus> you don't see how the very concept of a person ruling (whether or not they're actually ruling) based on who their parents were might be offensive to some?
[02:09:11] <Deucalion> No I don't - you are conflating things to suit your narrative.
[02:09:24] <SirFinkus> well isn't that what's going on here?
[02:09:35] <Deucalion> No
[02:09:43] <SirFinkus> someone is born into a family, and therefore are "special" and deserve the trappings of royalty
[02:09:51] <SirFinkus> and national recognition
[02:09:59] <SirFinkus> regardless of their accomplishments
[02:10:55] <Deucalion> Trapped into a life of life of public exposure and being expected to fly hither and thither on ambassadorial visits. I don't think there is anything to be envied there.
[02:11:46] <SirFinkus> people seek that out voluntarily all the time
[02:12:07] <BadCoderFinger> Just the money, fame, and power part.
[02:12:09] <Deucalion> If that were me, I'd be screaming "LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE AND GET THOSE CAMERAS OFF ME EVERYTIME I STEP OUTSIDE MY FRONT DOOR!!!1"
[02:12:17] <SirFinkus> not having to worry about job security is a big plus
[02:12:23] <arti> have a very public meltdown :D
[02:12:55] <arti> #assassination
[02:13:12] <cmn32480> those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it
[02:13:13] <Deucalion> SirFinkus, yes, some people do seek that. As a royal, they basically have no choice, it is thrust upon them, like or want it or not.
[02:13:36] <SirFinkus> ok, so lets by that premise
[02:13:37] <BadCoderFinger> Some abdicate. There's still the fame bit, but that wears off.
[02:13:50] <SirFinkus> you're condemning them to this terrible life of publicity
[02:13:58] <SirFinkus> simply because of their bloodline
[02:14:02] <SirFinkus> what a terrible thing to do
[02:15:53] <Deucalion> They agreed to it when the plebs revolted... it's not me they should have an issue with it is their ancestors. Of course the choice at the time was "agree to this or be hanged"... but their you go, that's what you get if you are an asshole King :D
[02:16:20] <cmn32480> "absolutel power corrupts absolutely"
[02:16:49] <cmn32480> which brings me back to my previous statement about learnign from history or being doomed to repeat it
[02:17:00] <BadCoderFinger> "Royal power just makes you fat and hated."
[02:17:18] <arti> is that a new mcdonalds item?
[02:17:18] <cmn32480> nah... prince Charles is still a skinny ugly guy
[02:17:41] <cmn32480> kinda like a "Royale w/ Cheese"?
[02:17:47] <BadCoderFinger> Give it time. His hair's getting the royal recede.
[02:18:09] <cmn32480> what's his hairline got to do with his waistline?
[02:18:26] <cmn32480> I could not answer on the hated part either
[02:18:39] <BadCoderFinger> So shall the waist expand, so shall the hair recede. I think it's in an appendix in the bible or something.
[02:18:55] <cmn32480> well... that explains me I suppose
[02:19:09] <cmn32480> I started going bald and my waistline started expanding...
[02:19:19] * arti sets mode +married
[02:19:20] <SirFinkus> so that new "royal baby" everyone was obsessed with, he agreed to it?
[02:19:24] <BadCoderFinger> When you're that famous, it's easy to annoy people. And people don't forgive famous people like they do normal people.
[02:19:28] * cmn32480 wonders if that is where all the hair went...
[02:19:43] <arti> usually it goes down south for the winter... eternal winter
[02:19:57] <cmn32480> that explains my back....
[02:20:12] <cmn32480> my daughter was learnign to french braid it yesterday
[02:20:39] <cmn32480> I kid! I kid!
[02:20:51] <BadCoderFinger> At least the back hair now has a hobby.
[02:20:57] <arti> "it was more of a normal braid"
[02:21:19] <cmn32480> it was either that or shave it for "Locks for Love"
[02:21:45] <BadCoderFinger> I should leave out the point of origin if I were you.
[02:22:16] <cmn32480> nah... it isn't like it came from my butt
[02:22:48] <BadCoderFinger> That's my donation spot! Oh wait, isn't IRC logged? Crap, there goes my donation exemption.
[02:23:03] <cmn32480> only if they check the logs
[02:24:54] <BadCoderFinger> Hrm, my taxable donations may be safe. In other news, never try to solicit money from me, you'll be rather surprised at the contents of the envelope.
[02:25:02] <SirFinkus> "they" have their own logs
[02:25:49] <cmn32480> do the TLA's share info?
[02:26:00] <BadCoderFinger> Not unless forced.
[02:26:17] <cmn32480> then you are likely fine. IRS probably isn't checking this channel
[02:26:22] <BadCoderFinger> Which was the entire reason the Department of Homeland Scrutiny was created.
[02:26:41] <cmn32480> and it still doesn't work... so that was additional wasted $$
[02:27:16] <Deucalion> cmn32480, "absolutel power corrupts absolutely" - really, your going with that? When we already covered that the British royals have absolutely no power over anything? They are still in existence because the British people wish them to be so. That is an unstated reality. They know it, we know it. It's a convenient arrangement. If this society as whole wished to dissolve the entity that is royalty it could be done relatively simply, we choose n
[02:27:16] <Deucalion> ot to as they are a net benefit to the countries that are still in our commonwealth. Is this so hard to grasp?
[02:27:26] <cmn32480> I believe that was the point of the Director of National Intelligence too...
[02:28:11] <BadCoderFinger> Oh, it works fine. You get a meeting once a week with representatives from the TLAs, who all say the equivalent of, "We've nothing to declare this week." Then the DHS gets to say they are "facilitating." Tax money well spent.
[02:28:58] <arti> i like using tax money to pay off the people
[02:29:25] <BadCoderFinger> Heh, "Democracy works until the public realizes they can vote themselves largesse."
[02:29:26] <cmn32480> Deucalion, the British Monarchy has no real power. Governmental figureheads without question. The people did the right thing in forcing them to become figureheads. It was the corruption caused by absolute power that lead to the plebes revolting and the signing of documents like the Magna Carta
[02:30:19] <cmn32480> Deucalion - by the way, my college degree is in Medieval History. :-)
[02:30:21] <SirFinkus> well, I wouldn't go so far as to say they have no power, they can clearly have influence by making statements and such
[02:30:34] <SirFinkus> not to mention money and free publicity
[02:31:49] <cmn32480> statements which can be summarily ignored and do not have the power of law beyond suggestions. the representatives of the people are not forced to go along with the royal family in any way, shape, or form. they are (at least on the surface of the democracy) answerable only to the voters.
[02:32:16] <Deucalion> cmn32480, you are correct. The royals do not incur my wrath these days, they are neutered. What gets my goat now is the effectively two party, first past the post system we have. That seems like a better place to make a change than worrying about the royals. This system is horrifically unrepresentative of the wishes of the democracy.
[02:32:26] <SirFinkus> not legally, but they don't have "no power"
[02:32:56] <cmn32480> I suppose, in theory, SirFinkus, you are correct in one aspect.
[02:32:57] <SirFinkus> yeah, I can't think of why you guys would change to our shitty system
[02:33:19] <SirFinkus> it does seem they limit their "political" statements to humanitarian type things
[02:33:21] <cmn32480> the Queen can refuse to call the session of Parliament open
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[02:33:41] <cmn32480> damn... I think that was the last one in the hopper
[02:34:03] <cmn32480> \for the next 8 hours
[02:34:09] <cmn32480> I'll get on it shortly
[02:34:15] <cmn32480> this is far more fun
[02:34:35] <SirFinkus> cmn32480 you can toss my hanford thing in if you think it's suitable, I don't know if it'd really be a story though
[02:35:03] <SirFinkus> it's pretty poorly written, but readable I think
[02:35:10] <cmn32480> there is some stuff in the sub queue and we have a few thigns in the hold queue that are not time sensitive
[02:36:47] <Deucalion> cmn32480, she could - very unlikely to happen though unless something fantastically ridiculous happens - I have no idea what extremes would have to happen for the monarch to step and refuse to authorise parliament to open session. I suspect there would be mass riots in the street protesting the incoming government before a monarch would step in and intervene.
[02:37:24] <Deucalion> They were put in their place hundreds of years ago
[02:38:08] <cmn32480> on that, you would have a better idea than I, Deucalion. But I believe that is the only true governing function of the current monarchy
[02:40:03] <cmn32480> crap... don't rub one's eye with the same fingers used to eat wasabi peas
[02:40:25] <cmn32480> it burns rather painfully
[02:40:28] <Deucalion> I have no doubt they would step up in extremis. That power was left with them on trust that it would not be abused, and it has not to date.
[02:40:52] <Deucalion> But cities would be burning before they would do so.
[02:41:24] <Deucalion> Cutting chillies and going for a pee has similar consequences.
[02:41:42] <cmn32480> I should hope that they would step up prior to the cities actually burning (like my eye)
[02:41:52] <cmn32480> that must be a really ball burner...
[02:42:25] <Deucalion> More a bell burner.... but yeh.... where's the yoghurt?
[02:43:08] <cmn32480> either way... ZOINKS!
[02:48:05] <Deucalion> I should hope they would not step in until it obvious that society is in absolute collapse, we've had significant rioting and protests in major cities, acres of burning buildings, over the years - the royals stayed out of it, left it to the politicos and the policy enforcers (police). As it should be in a democracy. In my evil mind I want to see what they would do in an extremis situation, would they dare exert their ultimate power? In their po
[02:48:06] <Deucalion> sition, I am not sure I would have the balls to do it.
[02:49:35] <BadCoderFinger> It seems they've enough sense to stay out of it. But like you, I'm curious what exactly would cause them to try, and if things were that far gone, would it do anything?
[02:49:55] * arti waters the conversation
[02:51:23] <BadCoderFinger> Well, the words have somehow gotten all wet.
[02:55:13] <cmn32480> shame he didn't use beer... that usually makes them wet but tasty
[02:57:09] <BadCoderFinger> I'd probably ingest beer soaked words. The ink tastes a bit funny, though, so if at all possible, I'd prefer not to dilute the beer.
[02:58:42] <Deucalion> BadCoderFinger, that would depend on the situation of course. The monarchy can deny any new statutes (they just get rubber stamped now), but in extremis, how would that work... if shit hit the fan, who would listen? If enough people in the society are together in a movement to overthrow the existing power structure why would they respect such niceties - they wouldn't. So the parliamentary assent thing is irrelevant in that scenario. I never wan
[02:58:42] <Deucalion> t to see such a day in this overcrowded island state, there would be no escape and horrific faction on faction warfare. Maybe geographic concentration of peoples causes them to design ever more regulations, just to keep the peace between communities that rub shoulder to shoulder. Well that and we're an island that's been invaded over and over again, it's easier just to welcome and absorb different people and cultures than repel them.
[03:00:21] <BadCoderFinger> I'll agree that once the fecal matter has impacted the rotating blades, a royal decree is about as useful as a football bat.
[03:01:06] <cmn32480> Deucalion, your island has only been invaded (successfully) once in the last thousand years
[03:01:18] <cmn32480> 1066AD, if I recall correctly
[03:02:02] <cmn32480> adn given that I wrote a 25 page paper on 1066, I'm pretty sure I remember absolutely nothign at this point
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[03:16:39] <Deucalion> cmn32480, we may not have been "successfully" invaded but once - 1066 being the Normans IIRC, we have been influenced and settled on by many - either by trade or back room deals. Historically we were a mish mash even before the British Empire was even a thing. Celts, Picts, Normans, Vikings etc. etc. There has always been tensions here. The tension at the moment seems to be too many people wanting to migrate here and not enough places to put th
[03:16:39] <Deucalion> em... we can't build housing fast enough it seems. Maybe our history is what makes this a secular island, we got past those petty differences a long while back and would never persecute on that premise.
[03:17:53] <cmn32480> send them to the colonies!
[03:20:06] <Deucalion> Worked out fine for today's Aus residents in the end :D Not sure the indigenous population at the time would agree though....
[03:22:20] <cmn32480> it did, both there and here, but I would agree, the native populations got the short end of it
[03:30:01] <cmn32480> gentlemen, until tomorrow! I gotta hit the sack.
[03:30:05] <cmn32480> night all!
[03:30:10] <Deucalion> The Brits were not alone in that though, the Brit Empire seems to get a lot of coverage - but at that time the Spanish, Portuguese, Germans, French and others you will remind me of were doing the same thing, expanding their own sphere of influence by exploring (exploiting) foreign lands. Nation finds an advantage, nation exploits it, for the time that is not surprising is it? Perhaps as an island nation our predisposition to go offensive on exp
[03:30:10] <Deucalion> ansionism could be defended.
[03:30:11] <arti> nite
[03:30:59] <cmn32480> Deucalion, it was the style at the time.
[03:30:59] <Deucalion> nite cmn32480
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[08:07:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Digital Murder - http://sylnt.us - dead-man-walking
[09:06:12] <SirFinkus> my room is beginning to smell like garlic, a not altogether unwelcome development
[09:25:56] <Gravis> oh brilliant: http://news.yahoo.com
[09:26:01] <exec> └─ 13Two shot in Ferguson amid standoff between police, protesters - Yahoo News
[09:47:58] <crutchy> ~nyse appl
[09:48:01] <exec> 0.0000
[09:48:03] <exec> http://www.google.com
[09:48:44] <crutchy> ~nyse msft
[09:48:46] <exec> 46.74
[09:48:48] <exec> http://www.google.com
[09:49:19] <crutchy> ah
[09:49:23] <crutchy> ~nyse aapl
[09:49:25] <exec> 115.52
[09:49:27] <exec> http://www.google.com
[09:49:42] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~nyse vntv
[09:49:45] <exec> 43.86
[09:49:46] <exec> cat: write error: Broken pipe
[09:49:47] <exec> http://www.google.com
[09:50:02] <AndyTheAbsurd> I borked it for you!
[09:50:05] <crutchy> nuthin worse than a busted pipe
[09:50:37] <AndyTheAbsurd> yeah, tends to get the cat wet, and cats that get wet tend to be annoyed cats. And annoyed cats are no fun at all.
[09:50:47] <crutchy> lol
[09:50:56] <crutchy> anyone see any issues?
[09:50:56] <crutchy> https://github.com
[09:51:04] <exec> └─ 13exec-irc-bot/exec.txt at master · crutchy-/exec-irc-bot · GitHub
[09:51:07] <AndyTheAbsurd> Anyway I hope those bastards at VNTV go out of business.
[09:51:12] <crutchy> i suck at shell
[09:52:42] <crutchy> <tama> your mama's so fat she keeps her pants up with an assteroid belt
[10:09:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Looking for Some More Editors (and Submissions) - http://sylnt.us - who-you-gonna-call-now
[10:18:10] <crutchy> ~submit http://www.smh.com.au
[10:18:15] <exec> └─ 13Major Firefox vulnerability lets hackers steal your files using dodgy web ads
[10:18:48] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[10:20:41] <crutchy> ~submit http://www.huffingtonpost.com
[10:20:44] <exec> error: description meta content not found or empty
[10:29:57] <crutchy> huffpost--
[10:29:57] <Bender> karma - huffpost: -1
[10:31:31] <crutchy> ~submit http://www.zdnet.com
[10:31:38] <exec> └─ 13Windows 10 cumulative update causes 'reboot loop' havoc for some users | ZDNet
[10:32:06] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[10:48:37] <Gravis> ~submit http://news.yahoo.com
[10:48:45] <Gravis> lame
[10:48:46] <exec> └─ 13Peaceful rallies in Ferguson give way to violence, gunfire - Yahoo News
[10:49:26] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
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[11:44:38] <crutchy> that will be smothered all over every news channel in the western world. i doubt people are really gunna wanna comment on it, other that its being newsd to death :/
[11:45:04] <crutchy> but heh i can't talk. most my submits are way worse :p
[11:46:32] <crutchy> Gravis, delay is due to reskey system in slashcode. can't really make it any snappier unless i can somehow talk TheMightyBuzzard into giving me a back door
[11:47:17] <Gravis> crutchy: ok. it just looked like it didnt work, that's all.
[11:47:51] <crutchy> actually its php, so i prolly could make it snappier by making it not php :D
[11:49:20] <crutchy> also some sites require a few redirects and cookies and whatnot before the bot can get to the actual article
[12:10:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ask Soylent: Gaming - http://sylnt.us - stuff-we-can-add-...
[12:14:04] <Gravis> crutchy: perl people argue that php is crap.
[12:14:19] <Gravis> crutchy: i argue that they are right... and that perl is crap. ;)
[12:15:31] <Gravis> if it's not native and it's not shell code, then why are you wasting everyone's time? :))))
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[12:40:00] <AndyTheAbsurd> Gravis: I agree that both Perl and PHP are crap.
[12:40:15] <AndyTheAbsurd> For entirely different reasons, mind you, but definitely both crap.
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[14:01:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, AndyTheAbsurd, heresy!
[14:01:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, the ten second delay is there to keep anyone from getting wacky and filling us up with a gerzillion junk submissions that we then have to deal with manually.
[14:05:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> a few thousand we can deal with but without a rate control it's a very easily exploitable DoS avenue
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[16:05:54] <exec> 05*** SN funding has changed from $262 to $382
[16:07:00] <n0mnonymous> here we go again: http://news.yahoo.com
[16:07:05] <exec> └─ 13Japan to restart reactor in test of Abe's nuclear policy - Yahoo News
[16:07:28] <n0mnonymous> hot-sunshiny-summer needs nuclear powered air-conditioners
[16:07:40] * n0mnonymous rolls eyes
[16:11:55] <AndyTheAbsurd> fission plants aren't the best, but they're a hell of a lot better than all the other non-renewable-powered options.
[16:14:02] <n0mnonymous> AndyTheAbsurd: no. just no.
[16:14:22] <n0mnonymous> oil sucks. gas sucks. coal sucks. but nuclear is by far the most horrible
[16:15:07] <n0mnonymous> all the above can give you cancer and then you die. but if nuclea kills you you can still kill people from the grave!
[16:16:10] <n0mnonymous> pushing up radioactive daisy, so to speak!
[16:17:02] <AndyTheAbsurd> n0mnonymous: no. just no. Nuclear just concentrates the people it does kill into a small area so that they're a lot more noticeable. But it also concentrates the waste products so you know where to avoid if there is a problem.
[16:17:15] <n0mnonymous> the gift that keeps on killing!
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[16:19:15] <n0mnonymous> AndyTheAbsurd: maybe. at least if you label the coal,gas,oil waste as, say "mercury, or lead or arsenic it will be true if soemone finds it in a thousand years .. who knows how to label radioactive waste since you don't know when it might again be discovered! iodin today, xenon tomorrow etc ...
[16:20:10] <n0mnonymous> you would have to install a clock also and atabel that says "if you find this, please look at the clock and compare to included table to know what you have found today!"
[16:20:37] <n0mnonymous> is it solid? a gas maybe liquid in 2000 years?
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[16:21:11] <AndyTheAbsurd> n0mnonymous: or we could do the *logical* thing and start building thorium-cycle reactors to replace our outdated fission reactors
[16:21:41] <AndyTheAbsurd> and then when we finally figure out fusion, we can start building fusion plants to replace our by-then-outdated thorium reactors!
[16:22:22] <crutchy> thorium++
[16:22:22] <Bender> karma - thorium: 1
[16:23:57] <n0mnonymous> i dont know much about thorium .. but i think it also works by making regular matter radioactive and thus submitting it to a decay chain?
[16:24:44] <n0mnonymous> the the obvious reason: thorium no give you plutonium and thus no fun for military
[16:25:00] <n0mnonymous> nevermind.
[16:26:21] <AndyTheAbsurd> n0mnonymous: yeah, that's why it didn't get developed during the Cold War when it would have been logical to do so.
[16:26:59] <AndyTheAbsurd> and of course no one wants to fund "basic research" these days (except the government, a little bit - but they don't give out grants big enough to build an actual reactor).
[16:29:46] <n0mnonymous> i think if either uranium or thorium only gave "electricity" and had no bomb making potentiel then neither of them would exist today. nuclear reactors are/where just a smoke screen for military usage. no sane general would submit his own home soil to radioactive contamination. only because the "benefit" (more death destruction and radioactivity on the "enemy" then on myself) was it used?
[16:31:05] <n0mnonymous> imagine a bullet that kills the enemy with near 100% certainty but you lose a limp yourself everytime you use it? that's what the generals had to calaculate
[16:32:17] <n0mnonymous> after WWII there was "peace" and thus a growing economy and thus "losing" some limps (of the population) was okay since they "grew back" fast enough for continues growth?
[16:32:35] <n0mnonymous> *continued
[16:32:59] <n0mnonymous> thus radiaoctivity releases by nuclear electricity reactors was "ok"
[16:35:53] <n0mnonymous> *is ok
[16:38:07] <n0mnonymous> also let's not forget: coal, gas, oil are acctually renewable! it takes a long time but sooner or later (if radioactivity doesn't wipe them out first) bio-engines like plants and algea and dinos.. errr...huamns will return the gas into the ground.
[16:38:59] <n0mnonymous> for uranium to be renewed, our sun has to go red giant, swallow all the radioactive waste .. lead .. supernova, reform into a new sun w/ new solar-system with new uranium
[16:39:19] <n0mnonymous> that's a looong time!
[16:39:33] <crutchy> half life of thorium is very short apparently
[16:39:38] <crutchy> or some shit
[16:40:07] <n0mnonymous> fusion cannot exist. it would destroy the earth.
[16:40:31] <crutchy> tell that to the russians re tsar bomba
[16:40:45] <n0mnonymous> or let's say the "knowledge of fusion" cannot exist
[16:41:01] <crutchy> ~time
[16:41:03] <exec> Tuesday, 11 August 2015 @ 2:41 am GMT+10 - Melbourne VIC
[16:41:05] <crutchy> ergh
[16:41:28] <crutchy> should be counting sheep :/
[16:42:12] <n0mnonymous> question: what would happen if there was a youtube video of how to make fusion at home that gives electricity to power pretty darn every gadget you own and if needs some propane, tubing, permanent magnets etc ... nothing fancy?
[16:42:59] <n0mnonymous> people would turn it into a bomb : )
[16:43:29] <n0mnonymous> or some device that powers microwave lasers or such. sure.
[16:43:40] <n0mnonymous> *shrug*
[16:43:47] <n0mnonymous> but not a warp-drive : )
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[16:44:45] <AndyTheAbsurd> I'd build a microwave laser...
[16:44:50] <AndyTheAbsurd> ...powered rocket.
[16:44:58] <n0mnonymous> darwin says that more violent people are outcome of wars .. thus leading to more wars and thus more violent people .. assuming violent people survive wars more better then pacifists?
[16:45:22] <AndyTheAbsurd> darwin doesn't say that
[16:45:35] <AndyTheAbsurd> only that the fittest survive to pass on thier traits
[16:45:54] <AndyTheAbsurd> whether being more violent makes one more fit is another story entirely.
[16:45:54] <n0mnonymous> so good at surviving wars
[16:46:26] <AndyTheAbsurd> yup
[16:46:35] <AndyTheAbsurd> you know what the best to survive a war is?
[16:46:36] <n0mnonymous> if one assumes that violent people are worse at surviving wars then soon we will have no more wars!
[16:46:44] <AndyTheAbsurd> be somewhere that the war ain't.
[16:46:53] <crutchy> fit people are usually among the first to die in war
[16:47:16] <crutchy> infantry
[16:47:18] <AndyTheAbsurd> crutchy: it depends on what definition of "fit" you're using
[16:47:33] <n0mnonymous> fit to absorbe a bullet?
[16:48:07] <n0mnonymous> or fit to dispense bullets?
[16:48:08] <crutchy> naturally fit in the sense of 'survival of the fittest'
[16:48:24] <AndyTheAbsurd> and it sounds like you're using the definition of "physically fit for doing a mix of strength and endurance tasks, but mentally not particulary fit for complicated tasks", which is how you end up with a MOS of 11B.
[16:48:45] <n0mnonymous> yeah but since humans change the environment "to fit" or "be fittest" is a moving target?
[16:49:29] <n0mnonymous> thus a future environment and a paste environment don't have the same requirments "to be fittest"?
[16:49:46] <crutchy> humanity is a virus. we're not fit for anything except destruction
[16:50:15] <n0mnonymous> good at multiplying!
[16:50:26] <n0mnonymous> not in amathematical sense i mean
[16:50:39] <AndyTheAbsurd> some of us are good at that, too, though.
[16:50:46] <crutchy> i use a calculator to add :p
[16:51:15] <n0mnonymous> i use a calculator to talk non-sense to strangers over electrical wires : )
[16:51:26] <crutchy> 8008135++
[16:51:26] <Bender> karma - 8008135: 24
[16:54:38] <crutchy> ~submit http://www.electronicsweekly.com
[16:54:42] <exec> └─ 13Imagination demos Vulkan open API on Android | Electronics Weekly
[16:55:10] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[16:55:52] <crutchy> ooh shyz
[16:55:55] <crutchy> ~queue
[16:55:58] <exec> *** SN submission queue: plenty - http://sylnt.us
[16:56:02] <crutchy> pfft
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[16:56:10] <crutchy> stupid script needs fixing still
[16:56:58] <AndyTheAbsurd> 5 is plenty?
[16:57:41] <crutchy> heh. 'plenty' means 'i cant find the string im looking for' :p
[16:58:19] <crutchy> need to fix it
[16:58:32] <crutchy> later :p
[17:05:13] <n0mnonymous> vulkan sayZ to android:"live long an prosper!" android says: "i can't get an update!"
[17:12:33] <AndyTheAbsurd> crutchy: I think your $delim1 and $delim2 variables in the queue code might need delimiters...but I know very little about PHP, so I'm probably wrong about that.
[17:13:44] * Subsentient farts
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[17:14:42] <crutchy> you probably right. if i could be bothered going to my desk i might fix it now, but i might try to pass out instead
[17:15:13] <crutchy> ~time
[17:15:15] <exec> Tuesday, 11 August 2015 @ 3:15 am GMT+10 - Melbourne VIC
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[17:20:34] <crutchy> hmm. might need to change port to 443 cos i think 80 returns a 302 now
[17:20:54] <crutchy> meh. i'll take a look tomorrow. err. i mean later today :p
[17:21:32] <crutchy> prolly should drop the 'www.' from $host while i'm at it
[17:22:09] <crutchy> ~isup soylentnews.org:80
[17:22:11] <exec> 03soylentnews.org:80: HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
[17:22:43] <crutchy> one off :p
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[21:25:52] <crutchy> ~submit http://www.thedailybeast.com
[21:25:58] <exec> └─ 13Obama to Putin: Stop Hacking Me - The Daily Beast
[21:26:26] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[22:10:19] <crutchy> ~queue
[22:10:23] <exec> *** SN submission queue: 13 - http://sylnt.us
[22:10:48] <crutchy> looks like ~queue is working again. changed port to 443 and dropped the www. from host
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[22:55:27] <AndyTheAbsurd> wow...I thought that headline was a joke but apparently not.
[22:57:00] <SirFinkus> oh no, one of my items from amazon was broken
[22:57:54] <SirFinkus> fairly bummed
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