#Soylent | Logs for 2015-08-02

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[00:00:07] <Landon> march: really getting into game dev
[00:00:09] <arti> i don't use github, i use the login more than anything
[00:00:31] <arti> what kinda gamedev?
[00:00:39] * cmn32480 goes back to beating his head against a brick wall
[00:00:42] <arti> was looking at sdl bindings for rust
[00:01:36] <arti> oh neat
[00:02:16] <arti> i r follow u
[00:03:33] <arti> man the prices are steep for the private repos
[00:03:47] <arti> https://github.com
[00:03:52] <exec> └─ 13GitHub · Build software better, together.
[00:04:20] <arti> as far as the limetext jigger, mainly for a go environment, i settled on liteide
[00:04:41] <Landon> arti: any kind really
[00:04:52] <Landon> specifically, the shirokuma game which is ncurses sudoku
[00:05:02] <arti> expose it over irc
[00:05:08] <Landon> :)
[00:05:08] <arti> D:
[00:05:15] <Landon> irc games r hard
[00:05:18] <Landon> https://lfowles.org
[00:05:24] <exec> └─ 13Landon A. Fowles | Hacking Scrappy: Bohnanza
[00:05:33] <Landon> I have a part 2 for that, but I suck at collecting my thoughts in a timely fashion
[00:05:47] <arti> man, i need to update my online footprint
[00:05:52] <Landon> arti: any other languages you've been poking around? or more ...esoteric? languages you use
[00:06:04] <Landon> I've been meaning to learn Rust, Erlang, and Haskell
[00:06:07] <arti> rust/haskell
[00:06:21] <arti> been poking around parsers/lexers
[00:06:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Paralyzed Men Move Legs With New Non-Invasive Spinal Cord Stimulation - http://sylnt.us - miracle-of-science
[00:06:31] <arti> parsec is fucking sweet but the rest of haskell makes me cry
[00:06:32] <Landon> I just want to know what I've been missing out on
[00:06:37] <Landon> pattern matching is really cool in erlang
[00:06:46] <arti> there's a port of parsec to go...
[00:06:50] <Landon> would be neat for an IRC client perhaps
[00:06:58] <Landon> haskell ecosystem is strange to me
[00:07:02] <Landon> same thing with mercurial
[00:07:07] <Landon> I'm uncomfortable with "enabling extensions"
[00:07:19] <Landon> seems like it'd be harder to find documentation
[00:07:22] <arti> i think it makes sense to maths folks
[00:07:38] <Landon> well, specifically the compiler and then everyone seems to have their own extensions they add to it
[00:07:44] <arti> most of my time is spend in php land
[00:07:56] <Landon> I want to grok how problems are solved in such a restrictive type system
[00:08:02] <Landon> you poor soul :)
[00:08:07] <Landon> thankfully there's a jetbrains for that
[00:08:13] <Landon> I'm in C++11 nowadays
[00:08:21] <Landon> the gamedev was a good excuse to learn more
[00:08:29] <arti> c++ is finally getting some love
[00:08:29] <Bender> karma - c: 35
[00:08:50] <Landon> yeah, it really feels a lot like a strict python now
[00:08:52] <arti> there was a lul after c99, c++11 has some neat stuff, 14 has some even cooler stuff
[00:09:13] <arti> jetbrains phpstorm is outstanding
[00:09:21] <Landon> anything from 14 you can point out specifically? most of the things I like from it are just bug fixes or closing gaps in 11
[00:09:21] <arti> webstorm is great for javascript stuff
[00:09:33] <arti> 14 is sugar!
[00:09:45] <Landon> I think pycharm includes webstorm...
[00:09:47] * Landon checks
[00:10:02] <Landon> I need a matrix of differences between versions :)
[00:10:17] <arti> i do that for html5 and js stuff :|
[00:10:29] <Landon> yeah, it does have the js plugin
[00:10:35] <arti> the auto feature
[00:10:51] <Landon> which auto feature?
[00:11:02] <Landon> er, what about auto in 14
[00:11:17] <arti> for return type deduction
[00:11:20] <Landon> OH
[00:11:23] <Landon> yessss
[00:11:26] <arti> yeah, that's sweet
[00:12:10] <arti> what's your daily driver for work language?
[00:12:12] <arti> s
[00:12:24] <Landon> oh, I was talking work before :) which happens to be same as personal
[00:12:25] <Landon> ;)
[00:12:26] <Landon> c++11
[00:12:41] <arti> aah, how many years have you been a C++ guy?
[00:12:42] <Landon> prior to the current project, I was doing python 2 though
[00:12:53] <Landon> just one! plus a class in college and minor exploration blah blah
[00:12:57] <Landon> I learned 99% in the past year tough
[00:12:59] <arti> wow
[00:13:12] <arti> fairly comfortable with it?
[00:13:35] <Landon> pretty much
[00:14:07] <arti> https://hacks.mozilla.org
[00:14:12] <exec> └─ 13Diving into Rust for the first time ✩
[00:14:24] <arti> the video from the stanford talk is pretty cool
[00:14:28] <arti> about an hour though :|
[00:14:29] <Landon> 3 books: C++ Programming Language , C++ Primer, and Effective Modern C++
[00:14:42] <arti> C++ primer by prata?
[00:14:42] <Bender> karma - c: 36
[00:14:53] <arti> i want an updated version of that for 14
[00:14:55] <Landon> looking
[00:15:00] <arti> blue book
[00:15:01] <Landon> lippman
[00:15:23] <arti> effective modern C++ is a good one, too.
[00:15:34] <Landon> I've heard bette rthings about C++ Primer by Lippman than the one by Prata
[00:15:34] <arti> lol i even have an effective js book :|
[00:15:43] <Landon> not sure what the actual complaints were
[00:15:52] <arti> evidently prata was great back in the day
[00:16:13] <arti> i like it since he rewrites stuff per standard, and it's like a giant reference book
[00:16:29] <Landon> oh, and Tour of C++ heh
[00:16:56] <arti> i guess what's kept me from really jumping into it is all the memory crap, dangling pointers
[00:17:00] <Landon> C++ Programming Language is an incredible reference book, I enjoy reading the tangents
[00:17:00] <Bender> karma - c: 37
[00:17:33] <arti> at least the c++ churn is far slower than js
[00:17:38] <Landon> or Rust ;)
[00:17:41] <arti> ridiculous how fast stuff is progressing
[00:17:47] <arti> "progressing"
[00:19:13] <Landon> is there a De Facto Great web language? is Dart still a thing?
[00:19:21] <Landon> I just... fuck javascript
[00:19:39] <Landon> quick and dirty, but when I try to do something more than autoclicking things, it all falls down around me
[00:20:13] <arti> client side? it's js
[00:20:27] <Landon> none of the various things that compile to JS though?
[00:20:31] <arti> there's going to be another jump between es5 and es6
[00:20:34] <Landon> frustrates me, because browsers seem to be the best damn UI :)
[00:20:39] <arti> oh uh typescript, coffeescript
[00:20:45] <arti> browser ui is indeed awesome
[00:21:00] <arti> being able to do transformations through css is so sweet
[00:21:15] <arti> makes the traditional stuff seem uber clunky
[00:21:21] <Landon> yep
[00:21:22] <arti> "whelp i guess i'll spin up some opengl"
[00:21:34] <Landon> "I'll just sell my code's soul to QT"
[00:21:53] <arti> qt is pretty cool, i need to tinker with it some more
[00:21:58] <arti> especially for cross platform
[00:22:14] <Landon> oh yeah
[00:22:27] <Landon> just has you subscribe to its ecosystem of QStrings and QVectors and...
[00:23:31] <arti> correct
[00:23:44] <arti> everything has a price :)
[00:26:11] <Gravis> qstrings are compatible with every language and qvectors are cached. they aren't a price, they are an advantage
[00:31:40] <Landon> they are a tradeoff :P
[00:31:44] <Landon> one more string implementation to learn
[00:33:10] <crutchy_> Landon, i use github only for personal projects (irc bot, etc)
[00:33:30] <crutchy_> i have gitlab on a headless vbox at work
[00:33:45] <Landon> crutchy_: specs of the box? :)
[00:33:54] <Landon> is it comparable to a 2cpu, 2gb ram linode instance maaaybe?
[00:34:14] <Landon> arti: let me know if you want to brainstorm some IRC some itme
[00:34:21] <crutchy_> its running on a dual xeon dell with 12 gb ram host
[00:34:28] <Landon> :( ah
[00:34:33] <crutchy_> shared with a couple of other vboxes
[00:34:49] <Landon> is it the office repo then?
[00:34:53] <crutchy_> yeah
[00:34:55] <Landon> neat
[00:34:58] <crutchy_> well, one of them :p
[00:34:59] <Landon> :P
[00:35:24] <Landon> I think things would have gone differently if it was around (or github enterprise) 5-6 years ago
[00:35:59] <Landon> instead, we are on IBM's nasty bizness
[00:36:24] <crutchy_> i'm a bit weary of github for company projects. i think my boss is happy having them internally hosted
[00:36:35] <crutchy_> maintenance is pretty simple
[00:36:45] <Landon> yeah, enterprise is self hosted
[00:36:51] <crutchy_> ah
[00:37:21] <crutchy_> gitlab is basically github anyway i guess
[00:37:25] <crutchy_> maybe not quite
[00:40:33] <arti> sure
[00:40:37] <arti> just had a phone call
[00:40:39] <arti> still on it brb
[00:42:48] <Landon> you know what would be an awesome ncurses extension... treeview :) so many good ideas I've had that could use treeview in a tui
[00:47:24] <crutchy_> i just rolled my own, using js and tables
[00:48:44] <Landon> for ncurses? damn son
[00:49:42] <arti> i'm reading up on the ircv3 spec
[00:49:58] <crutchy_> oh shit no. ncurses is shell isn't it
[00:50:04] * crutchy_ puts dunce hat back on
[00:50:15] <arti> unce unce unce
[00:50:17] <Landon> hehe yeah
[00:50:36] <Landon> arti: one of the cool things that's not in the spec yet is ability to switch to json mode
[00:50:42] <arti> oh cool
[00:54:20] <crutchy_> http://www.cbsnews.com
[00:54:22] <exec> └─ 13Super PACs raise whopping $258 million for presidential campaigns - CBS News
[00:54:44] <crutchy_> even potus campaign funding is suffering from inflation
[00:55:16] <arti> buddamus
[00:55:39] * crutchy_ can hear tv network execs scratching an extra zero onto their quotes
[00:56:00] <arti> for their effectiveness see cecil the lion
[00:56:20] <crutchy_> ~define cecil the lion
[00:56:23] <exec> cecil the lion: unable to find definition
[00:56:36] <crutchy_> !g cecil the lion
[00:56:42] <crutchy_> derp
[00:56:48] <arti> yeah, ciri isn't here :P
[00:57:04] <arti> working on a new bot just for this channel
[00:57:38] <crutchy_> make it emulate e-f
[00:57:57] <arti> pfft
[00:58:05] <arti> sans chatterbot features
[00:58:56] <crutchy_> how 'bout emulating konomi :D
[00:59:16] <crutchy_> ~last konomi
[00:59:29] <crutchy_> derp
[01:00:35] <crutchy_> wow! apparently this is sunset from orbit: https://pbs.twimg.com
[01:00:50] <Landon> heh
[01:00:52] <crutchy_> or so i've been told by the internet
[01:01:11] <Landon> I had a clone channel once with markov bots traine don specific user logs
[01:01:28] <Landon> crutchy_: doesn't look quite like orbit, perhaps on the way up
[01:01:40] <arti> space_clouds++
[01:01:40] <Bender> karma - space_clouds: 1
[01:01:50] <crutchy_> wat!? you mean the internet lies!!!?
[01:01:53] <Landon> !!
[01:02:09] <Landon> one of the smartest people I know posted a THIS ONLY HAPPENS ONCE EVERY 823 YEARS image
[01:02:11] <Landon> :(
[01:02:14] <Landon> dang ol internet got him
[01:02:27] <Landon> the kicker was, the calendar it showed wasn't even for this year, but the text said 2015 :)
[01:02:27] <crutchy_> http://www.telegraph.co.uk
[01:02:40] <exec> └─ 13CEO who set firm's minimum wage at $70,000 hits hard times - Telegraph
[01:02:40] <crutchy_> lol. silly progressive
[01:02:46] <arti> lol
[01:03:00] <Landon> oof
[01:03:18] <Landon> although
[01:03:26] <Landon> probably contracted for janitorial services, etc
[01:03:41] <Landon> so I wonder what % of the company was bumped up significantly to ge t70k
[01:03:45] <arti> "Mr Price lost two of his "most valued" employees when they became angry that lower-skilled workers were being paid a similar salary. Some customers left the company because they thought that raising the minimum wage was a political move that could also end up costing them more."
[01:04:04] <Landon> idiots
[01:04:07] <Landon> the employees
[01:04:30] <Landon> be angry that you are paid below standard, not that someone else is paid above :\
[01:04:41] <crutchy_> ironic that increasing the pay of low skilled workers makes the more highly skilled workers feel less worthy
[01:04:52] <crutchy_> i'm sure nobody could have seen that coming :p
[01:05:00] <cmn32480> no less worthy
[01:05:07] <cmn32480> less appreciated for thier skill set
[01:05:12] <crutchy_> yeah
[01:05:15] <cmn32480> or time served
[01:05:20] <Landon> too bad people just aren't rational :)
[01:05:42] <crutchy_> people are greedy by nature. trying to change that will always result in failure
[01:06:11] <Landon> I dunno, greedy to me would just be aspiring for more $$$, spiteful seems more appropriate :)
[01:06:32] <cmn32480> if my skilset as a Network/Systems guy is worth $70,000
[01:06:39] <cmn32480> I spent years in school
[01:06:52] <cmn32480> and more in the job market learning my trade
[01:07:21] <cmn32480> and this guy makes the minimum wage for the company $70,000 for everybody
[01:07:28] <crutchy_> prolly. but most people work hard for their pay, so some shmoe getting the same cut for some low skill menial work prolly seems like a slap in the face
[01:07:38] <Landon> right
[01:07:48] <cmn32480> the people with no college degree, not specialized skillset, no training
[01:08:01] <crutchy_> obama voters :p
[01:08:14] <cmn32480> I'm gonna be pissed
[01:08:20] <Landon> still... you quit and now what? go work at some other place for the same salary and feel better because others with less don't make as much ?:P
[01:08:23] <crutchy_> not that republicans are any better
[01:08:32] <Landon> _if_ that was their only motivation for quitting, seems stupid to me
[01:08:39] <cmn32480> what he jas jsut told me is that my skill set that I have been training on for years, wiht worh the same as the guy pushing the mail cart
[01:08:44] <Landon> if they had already been shopping around and had a +25% on the line, sure
[01:08:47] <crutchy_> office politics can be nasty
[01:08:59] <crutchy_> sometimes walking away even for a pay cut can be an improvement
[01:09:54] <crutchy_> home life can take a dive if you're always shitty at work (been there, done that myself)
[01:10:04] <cmn32480> yup
[01:10:06] <cmn32480> me too
[01:10:15] <cmn32480> liking your job makes home a lot easier
[01:10:28] <cmn32480> the reverse is also true
[01:11:20] <arti> politics are the hard part
[01:12:45] <Landon> containers++
[01:12:45] <Bender> karma - containers: 1
[01:12:54] <arti> i feel kinda bad about that article but i'm laughing at the same time, that photo of the CEO lol
[01:13:00] <Landon> trying to find a gitlab edition for ubuntu 15.04... why not use a 14.04 container! yay
[01:14:09] <arti> needs a catchy song: https://www.youtube.com
[01:14:12] <exec> └─ 13Sealab 2021 Theme song - YouTube
[01:22:20] <Gravis> containers? lame.
[01:22:22] <Gravis> containers--
[01:22:22] <Bender> karma - containers: 0
[01:22:30] <arti> you must keep your food in BAGS!
[01:23:08] <Gravis> arti: no, i keep it planted or walking. :)
[01:24:19] <arti> what is this devilry
[01:25:12] <Gravis> <crutchy_> people are greedy by nature. trying to change that will always result in failure <-- it results in failure until it's done properly
[01:26:27] <Gravis> crutchy_: some people simply cannot fit in a free society
[01:26:45] <arti> shapist!
[01:27:31] <Landon> Gravis: lighterweight than a VM, more isolated than ... nothing :)
[01:27:51] <arti> more isolated than $person in childhood.
[01:27:52] <Gravis> arti: it's not the shape of your swastica that's the problem, it's what it represents.
[01:28:36] <Landon> so you're saying it's not size that matters, it's how you use it?
[01:28:52] <arti> what about my swastica?
[01:29:05] <arti> i'll have you know it has many edges
[01:29:42] <arti> you'er just upset you can't be a grammar nazi
[01:29:46] <arti> ^-- gooder
[01:29:50] <Landon> swastika*
[01:30:00] <arti> hakkenkreuz
[01:30:10] <Landon> hibberdy gibbery
[01:30:18] <Gravis> hadouken!
[01:31:15] <arti> gesundheit
[01:31:18] <Landon> bork bork bork
[01:31:26] <arti> i love talking like the swedish chef
[01:31:36] <Landon> your code is borkborkbork
[01:32:03] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[01:32:06] <exec> └─ 13Pöpcørn | The Muppets - YouTube
[01:32:19] <Gravis> arti: for example, TheMightyBuzzard doesn't want to be in a society where all good are free of charge because he would be unable to deny someone the ability to copy something he designed.
[01:32:41] <arti> because that enables dicks
[01:33:05] <Gravis> arti: to do what?
[01:33:10] <Landon> to draw dicks
[01:33:27] <Gravis> arti: nothing is for sale
[01:33:44] <arti> sounds like a lame business
[01:33:51] <Gravis> it's not a business
[01:33:56] <Gravis> it's a society
[01:33:56] <arti> it's a lifestyle!
[01:34:29] <arti> are you butthurt about not being able to make backups or something?
[01:34:58] <arti> society inherently comes with restrictions
[01:35:15] <Gravis> arti: no, i would like there to be a society where there are no people in need
[01:35:30] <arti> i'd like a car that drives to juipter
[01:35:43] <Gravis> arti: design it and the machines will build it
[01:35:58] <arti> sorta like apple and china :D
[01:36:43] <Landon> Gravis: been reading a lot of Hollow World? :P
[01:36:55] <Gravis> Landon: never heard of it
[01:37:21] <arti> achievement unlocked: teachable moment
[01:37:30] <Landon> tl;dr future times where we got rid of genders for reasons and everything is free because of $THING_MAKER
[01:38:09] <Gravis> getting rid of genders is quite extreme
[01:38:42] <arti> well just compromise and eliminate one :D then it's just gender.
[01:38:57] <Gravis> i see what you did there :P
[01:40:31] <Landon> arti: well if you got rid of one, you need to get rid of the other
[01:40:48] <arti> life will, uh... uhh ... find a way
[01:40:51] <Gravis> Landon: i'm not looking to make a utopia, i'm just looking to make a world with less bullshit
[01:40:51] <Landon> :P
[01:40:59] <Landon> Gravis: it's no utopia ;)
[01:41:05] <arti> gravis: just silence the squeeky wheel
[01:41:11] <Landon> Gravis: for some sort of basic income too?
[01:41:14] <arti> sorta like turning off verbose mode
[01:41:39] <Gravis> Landon: there is no income because there is no money.
[01:41:50] <Landon> as an intermediate step then ;)
[01:41:59] <arti> i think i'm going to need some more master kush for this
[01:41:59] <Landon> before we get the universal fabricator
[01:42:47] <Gravis> Landon: money intrinsically causes inequality
[01:43:11] <Landon> eh, money is just a poxy
[01:43:13] <Landon> proxy
[01:43:21] <arti> even in nature people aren't equal tho
[01:43:31] <arti> andre the giant could chug way more beers :(
[01:43:32] <Gravis> Landon: yeah, it's leverage to make people do work for you
[01:43:41] <Landon> for some inherent value to be traded (even if some like family wealth aren't earned)
[01:43:45] <arti> how did they get the money if they didn't work?
[01:44:05] <arti> who does #2 work for?
[01:44:11] <Landon> WHO DOES #2 WORK FOR
[01:45:11] <Gravis> Landon: the idea is that people are no slaves and should be free of such burdens. this way they can explore more interesting possibilities.
[01:45:19] <Gravis> not*
[01:45:28] <Landon> and if we don't have a universal fabricator?
[01:45:46] <Landon> there's not enough world for the everyone to be in a spot they'd like, just to touch on a base defect
[01:46:30] <Gravis> Landon: there are some limitations, yes. however, this would encourage exploration beyond our world
[01:46:37] <Landon> hmmmmmm
[01:46:52] <Landon> I'll have to think about that a bit, but it seems unlikely
[01:47:29] <arti> we can't even explore under the sea
[01:47:33] <Landon> I can't see people wanting to be on the bottom of that pyramid
[01:47:46] <arti> pyramid bottoms
[01:47:57] <Landon> getting the raw materials for building exploratory vehicles
[01:48:30] <Gravis> Landon: machines would get raw materials for you, duh.
[01:48:47] <Landon> hey now, we can't deus ex machina everything away :P
[01:49:27] <Gravis> you are right. that is why the designing has to be done by humans.
[01:50:02] <Gravis> Landon: but once someone has designed it, machines build it and it's free for anyone to build.
[02:08:07] <arti> back later, ciao
[02:24:45] <Landon> SGDQ is almost over
[02:24:52] <Landon> I've only caught two games so far :(
[02:24:55] <Landon> I should have taken vacation
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[02:30:09] <Ethanol-fueled> sup fellas.
[02:30:18] <Ethanol-fueled> I will have a beer or a few tonight.
[02:30:35] <Ethanol-fueled> How you all doin'?
[02:33:36] <BadCoderFinger> Hey EF, any new rants?
[02:33:44] <Ethanol-fueled> Not yet.
[02:33:55] <BadCoderFinger> Man, you're going to lose your reputation.
[02:34:06] <Ethanol-fueled> about to read more readings for school. This one's about gender.
[02:34:37] <Ethanol-fueled> I went on a pretty good run in the discussions last night. I don't think my rep is in jeopardy just yet.
[02:35:03] <BadCoderFinger> Heh
[02:35:46] <Ethanol-fueled> Besides, I'm drinking beer now.
[02:37:34] <Ethanol-fueled> Soylent News needs more diversity. How can we appeal to Blacks?
[02:37:49] <swiss> Ethanol-fueled: more drinks
[02:40:37] <Ethanol-fueled> Here are some excerpts from my class reading right now:
[02:41:06] <Ethanol-fueled> " You have freedom from being profiled on the street as a sex
[02:41:06] <Ethanol-fueled> worker because of your gender expression. "
[02:41:22] <BadCoderFinger> I didn't realize we didn't have enough black people in the SN community. Was there a poll I missed?
[02:41:57] <swiss> Ethanol-fueled: i had a SJW class in college as well, it was horrid
[02:42:00] <Ethanol-fueled> " If you are murdered (or have any crime committed against you), your gender expression will not be used as a justification for your murder (gay panic) nor as a reason to coddle the perpetrators. "
[02:42:25] <Ethanol-fueled> swiss, it's hurting my brain, the idiocy
[02:42:52] <swiss> Ethanol-fueled: mine had a native american speaker come in and talk about how "even today, boy scouts are doing face painting and performing indian ceremonies"
[02:43:16] <Ethanol-fueled> " You can purchase clothes that match your gender identity without being refused service, mocked by staff, or questioned about your genitals. "
[02:43:39] <BadCoderFinger> Dang man, did you piss off the dean or what?
[02:43:58] <swiss> I was like "Yeah, i was part of those ceremonies... Face painting has been banned for like 30 years in the organization, as well as having a committe of native americans approve all ceremonies. If you're going to be mad about people misrepresenting native americans, you should try not to misrepresent other groups"
[02:44:10] <swiss> and she went on a huge rant of "WELL YOU CANT PLAY INDIAN, RAH RAH RAH"
[02:44:37] <swiss> and then she got so mad she blogged about me
[02:44:45] <BadCoderFinger> I can too play Indian! You should hear my Krishna impression, it's dead on!
[02:44:52] <Ethanol-fueled> That's really immature and inappropriate for a college professor, swiss.
[02:45:09] <swiss> Ethanol-fueled: this was a speaker
[02:45:17] <swiss> the college flew her cross country to spout her SJW shit
[02:45:24] <Ethanol-fueled> Retch.
[02:45:33] <swiss> and yell about how "island of the blue dolphins" was anti native-american, etc
[02:45:47] <swiss> i mean, i can agree, horrid misrepresntation of native americans in a lot of media
[02:45:50] <swiss> peter pan, etc
[02:46:10] <Ethanol-fueled> everybody has been horribly misrepresented, even Whites.
[02:46:13] <swiss> right
[02:46:21] <Ethanol-fueled> Yuppies, Leisure-suits.
[02:46:36] <swiss> and i agree, since we live in America, we should learn about the people native to the region in a better way
[02:46:38] <popeydoll> island of blue dolphins just makes no sense
[02:46:45] <popeydoll> dolphins dont survive long on land
[02:46:49] popeydoll is now known as Popeidol
[02:46:58] <swiss> but don't come in and rant
[02:47:00] <Popeidol> maybe there's some big lakes on the island?
[02:47:13] <swiss> like, I wouldn't pay anyone to come in and rant, unless their ranting was REALLY funny
[02:47:17] <Ethanol-fueled> (now a list of Male Privileges that result from being born a male )
[02:47:25] <swiss> Ethanol-fueled: yeah, we had that too
[02:47:41] <cmn32480> is it a bad sing that I pressed "Start All" about 2 minutes ago.... and the program went "Not Responding"
[02:47:46] <swiss> it was also funny in another class where we were asked to give our opinion of the midwest
[02:47:53] <Ethanol-fueled> (male privilige #1 - " If you have a bad day or are in a bad mood, people arent going to blame it on your sex. "
[02:48:14] <swiss> and i talked about how much I disliked the communities in the big cities of Texas (excluding austin) as well as disliking arkansas communities"
[02:48:15] <cmn32480> it came back!
[02:48:18] <BadCoderFinger> Holy crap, EF, that is some mid-70s crap.
[02:48:19] <cmn32480> whew
[02:48:33] <Ethanol-fueled> (male privilige #10 - " You can generally walk alone at night without the fear of being raped or otherwise harmed. "
[02:48:46] <swiss> and when I was done talking, my teacher started talking aobut how I probably formed all these opinions from stuff i read, what others said, etc
[02:49:06] <BadCoderFinger> Ok, that's a load of horseshit. You can walk alone at night and get mugged. I think mugging is harmful.
[02:49:08] <Ethanol-fueled> everybody does, swiss.
[02:49:18] <Landon> Ethanol-fueled: (male privilege #11 - "You can number in binary without being called a poser" :P
[02:49:26] <swiss> and then when she was done I just said "Yeah... I spent the summers for the first 15 years of my life alternating between Dallas, Houston, and Arkansas"
[02:49:34] <Ethanol-fueled> swiss, was she a big fat bitch who was resentful of her lack of cock in her life?
[02:49:39] <swiss> Ethanol-fueled: yep!
[02:50:15] <Ethanol-fueled> \pol\ was right again!
[02:50:20] <swiss> though this second teacher (not SJW class) wasn't terrible
[02:50:35] <swiss> she talked about viewpoints, but didn't try to play the warrior as much
[02:50:37] <Ethanol-fueled> haha Landon. Yup.
[02:51:21] <swiss> the first teacher (SJW class - officially titled "Ethnic and Womens Studies"
[02:51:31] <swiss> she's what started me on the path of drinking in class
[02:51:50] <Ethanol-fueled> (male privilege #13 - "If you are straight, you are not likely to be abused by your partner or be told to continue living in an abusive household for your children. ")
[02:51:59] <Ethanol-fueled> haha swiss, that'll do it.
[02:52:11] <swiss> i had a metal water bottle
[02:52:19] <swiss> would fill it up with whatever was left from the weekend
[02:52:25] <swiss> and just drink it in her class
[02:52:36] <swiss> she had to know i was doing it - but I was quieter drunk than I was sober
[02:52:47] <swiss> and i didn't argue with her as often
[02:52:52] <swiss> so I think she just allowed it
[02:53:12] <BadCoderFinger> Heh, I'd call that a win.
[02:53:30] <swiss> i also got a B in the class
[02:53:33] <swiss> which was good enough
[02:53:53] <Ethanol-fueled> (male privilege #25 - " You can disregard your appearance without worrying about being criticized at work or in social situations. ")
[02:53:58] <Ethanol-fueled> (do ho HO.)
[02:54:07] <swiss> Ethanol-fueled: i call total bullshit on that one
[02:54:29] <swiss> i judge the fuck out of men who don't put any effort into their appearance in public
[02:54:35] <Ethanol-fueled> same here, swiss.
[02:55:09] <swiss> if i go somewhere in a car, i've made sure i'm at least presentable
[02:55:16] <Ethanol-fueled> Sometimes ya just gotta shut up and parrot the party line.
[02:55:54] <Ethanol-fueled> (Okay, now we're gonna discuss hetero privilege...)
[02:56:50] <BadCoderFinger> Ok, let's hear it.
[02:56:59] <Ethanol-fueled> (hetero privilege #13 - " Raising, adopting, and teaching children without people believing that you will molest them or force them into your sexuality. "
[02:57:25] <Ethanol-fueled> (hetero privilege #1 - " Being granted immediate access to your loved one in case of accident or emergency. ")
[02:57:47] <swiss> eh, i can see the #1 one
[02:58:07] <swiss> not as true anymore though
[02:58:10] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, there might be something there, but it's certainly less than it was.
[02:58:10] <swiss> i do know gay people who weren't allowed in the hospital in the past because they weren't married
[02:58:18] <Ethanol-fueled> That's pretty shitty.
[02:58:26] <swiss> yeah
[02:58:36] <swiss> most of these hold a grain of truth
[02:58:41] <Ethanol-fueled> The hetero privilege ones generally make more sense except there's still the fearmongering bullshit of being beaten or killed because you're gay.
[02:58:45] <swiss> but they are def blown out of proportion
[02:59:10] <swiss> yeah, when they say "X of X kids were beaten because they were gay"
[02:59:26] <swiss> i want to be like "Yeah, because they were gonna get beaten either way, the bullies just chose that as the reason because it was there"
[03:01:07] <BadCoderFinger> I have to say, the whole beaten or killed thing would probably be a big fear in Texas. But most sane people do not live in Texas.
[03:01:15] <Ethanol-fueled> the disappointing thing is that this is the class where I have to so community service to help a non-profit...which would be pretty good if we didn't have to be reading this tripe while doing it.
[03:01:42] <BadCoderFinger> Austin is a pretty cool town, but the rest of it is a bunch of farmers pissed off that they live in a near desert.
[03:02:04] <Ethanol-fueled> agreed, badcoderfinger. Texas is big because it's a whole lotta nothin'
[03:03:35] <Ethanol-fueled> The high point of their lives is the Texas-Texas A&M football games.
[03:03:55] <Ethanol-fueled> (which isn't terrible, because the streets are full of drunk chubby blonde cornfed girls)
[03:05:14] <Ethanol-fueled> Aw, christ, the next reading is a TED talk proving that, yes, Black women can code.
[03:06:19] <BadCoderFinger> Holy crap, man. What hideous sin led you to take this class?
[03:07:33] <Ethanol-fueled> BadCoderFinger, let's just say that I have no right to complain about it, it is a requirement for my Computer Science program that emphasizes more community service and feel-good bullshit rather than making me take all that upper-level math I won't even use.
[03:07:42] <swiss> I hate women in tech arguments a lot
[03:07:58] <swiss> because I don't think there's a wide acceptance for sexism in the workplace, like they claim they have
[03:08:06] <Ethanol-fueled> swiss, the problem is that all these buzzwords like "diversity" and "needs more women" are forced as fuck.
[03:08:21] <swiss> if someone said "Nice tits" at work, HR would be all over them
[03:08:34] <swiss> Ethanol-fueled: i mean, we do it too
[03:08:45] <swiss> "Diversity And Inclusion" is our buzz phrase
[03:08:48] <BadCoderFinger> EF, I'd take the math any day.
[03:08:54] <Ethanol-fueled> swiss - I have never, ever seen an instance of sexism in the workplace. Ever. No, wait. My previous employer had to settle lawsuits because of sexism AGAINST MEN perpetrated BY A WOMAN.
[03:09:20] <swiss> Ethanol-fueled: i've seen it from people, and they don't get jobs because of it
[03:09:42] <Ethanol-fueled> swiss, because it's a career-ending move, at least with the employer in which it took place.
[03:10:09] <Ethanol-fueled> If they don't fire you for it, you certainly won't be promoted in any meaningful fashion.
[03:10:17] <swiss> and i'll believe it happens... but that doesn't mean that ANYONE thinks that it's acceptable
[03:10:34] <swiss> now, there's a lot of racism against indians in my workplace...
[03:10:36] <Ethanol-fueled> that's because the incidence is overstated by hysterical bitches.
[03:10:42] <swiss> but I REALLY don't blame the people for that
[03:11:10] <Ethanol-fueled> I bet a lot of people making those accusations have never even held a meaningful tech job, unless you could positions like that of Adria Richards who was just a glorified tech blogger.
[03:11:22] <swiss> it's mostly because we have such a high number of incompetent Indian employees
[03:11:40] <Landon> mailinabox++
[03:11:40] <Bender> karma - mailinabox: 1
[03:11:51] <Ethanol-fueled> swiss, is there any resentment about Indians takin' yer jobs cuz lower wages?
[03:11:52] <swiss> Ethanol-fueled: but don't you get it ? They never got the jobs BECAUSE of the sexism
[03:12:11] <swiss> Ethanol-fueled: no, there's resentment for Indians existing and roadblocking efforts with incompetence
[03:12:12] <Ethanol-fueled> swiss, the fat ugly ones didn't ;)
[03:12:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> swiss, if you work in tech that's not racism. that's nationalism and job protectionism.
[03:12:34] <Landon> TheMightyBuzzard: eh, at some point it turns into racism
[03:12:55] <swiss> even I'm to the point where I immediately assume the person is going to be incompetent when I hear an Indian first or last name
[03:13:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> maybe, maybe not. mostly it's a motherfuckers put me out of work thing.
[03:13:07] <swiss> until they prove otherwise
[03:13:11] <swiss> TheMightyBuzzard: that's not it though
[03:13:24] <swiss> it's that we have such a high number of indian employees that we ask to do a project
[03:13:28] <Ethanol-fueled> Indian men are stubborn and pushy. There could very well be aspects of their culture causing that friction, aspects of culture which are more subdued or absent in other cultures.
[03:13:29] <swiss> and they'll stall for weeks
[03:13:33] <Ethanol-fueled> sup, buzzard
[03:13:37] <Landon> TheMightyBuzzard: and then it starts to associate with the largest group
[03:13:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> sup yo
[03:13:42] <Landon> so you equate indians with that feeling
[03:13:52] <swiss> before we finally understand they have no idea what they're doing
[03:14:02] <swiss> I do believe it has a lot to do with their culture
[03:14:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> good ole incompetence
[03:14:18] <Landon> swiss: so you've had to deal with outsourced work I see :)
[03:14:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'all about the benjamins
[03:14:26] <swiss> it's very rare that I've had an indian person tell me "No, sorry, I didn't understand, can you explain this again?"
[03:14:31] <swiss> Landon: it's not even outsourced!
[03:14:32] * Landon got to dogfood an outsourced product >.o
[03:14:38] <swiss> Landon: we've hired them as FTEs
[03:14:48] <swiss> in america
[03:14:52] <Landon> we had a few as FTEs
[03:14:56] <swiss> but after they did all their schooling in india
[03:14:57] <Landon> but the main group was in india I think
[03:15:06] <swiss> the problem is they learn the buzzwords
[03:15:08] <Landon> and the ones local didn't really have any sway :\
[03:15:12] <swiss> and our hiring managers only know the buzzwords
[03:15:20] <swiss> so they get in
[03:15:30] <swiss> "yes, yes, i know security"
[03:15:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd fuckin hate indians if i were looking for a tech job. or having to work with them. nothin racist about it though.
[03:16:05] <Landon> TheMightyBuzzard: why did you single out indians :)
[03:16:07] <swiss> when i talk to 80% of them, I feel like I need to write up a quiz about what we talked about, and do a check for understanding afterwards
[03:16:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> Landon, cause swiss was talkin about em
[03:16:30] <Landon> swiss: or write the software "it should look like this!"
[03:16:46] <swiss> Landon: i don't deal with coders as often
[03:16:55] <Landon> I basically rearchitected the software the group was supposed to write and sent it back to them as an easily extensible base
[03:16:58] <swiss> and there *are* some really bright and competent ones
[03:16:59] <Landon> they never took action on it though :\
[03:17:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> to be fair though, i hate most everyone i have to work in person with, skin color be damned.
[03:17:15] <swiss> i'm dealing with one right now that I like a lot, and he gets tons done
[03:17:16] <Landon> swiss: yes, but they generally don't work for consulting firms
[03:17:23] <Landon> struck out on their own
[03:17:40] <swiss> Landon: i'm talking strictly about FTEs at the company though
[03:17:43] <swiss> and we're not consulting
[03:17:51] <swiss> we're financial
[03:18:03] <Landon> I'm not saying _you_ are a consulting firm
[03:18:18] <swiss> ah, just with your experiences?
[03:18:18] <Landon> talking about something like TCS, Tata Consulting
[03:18:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> two things will make me like a coder/admin/etc that i work with: 1) competence 2) speak passable english. at least no worse than mine.
[03:18:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> rest of em can eat a dick.
[03:18:46] <swiss> i just feel like I shouldn't have these expectations towards them
[03:18:51] <Landon> although you do bring up a good point I misrepresented, the ones in that group weren't FTEs for our company
[03:18:57] <swiss> but if I don't, i get bit on the ass all the time
[03:18:57] <Landon> they just worked in the office :)
[03:19:12] <Landon> the actual FTE employed by us are effective
[03:19:22] <swiss> Landon: you prob have a better hiring strategy than us :)
[03:19:27] <swiss> it's funny - i have the exact opposite opinion of women in the workplace
[03:19:33] <swiss> except indian women
[03:19:34] <Landon> swiss: I point the finger at layoffs :X
[03:19:40] <Landon> survivor bias
[03:20:07] <swiss> but when I have to contact a woman in the workplace, i generally assume she's fairly competent
[03:20:14] <Landon> not exactly in a tech hub either, I imagine that weeds out a lot of non-locals
[03:20:18] <swiss> since women seem to get in a lot less from "knowing someone"
[03:20:24] <Landon> and by non-locals, I mean anyone that didn't grow up within 50 miles :P
[03:20:30] <swiss> which REALLY brings in the incompetents
[03:20:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't like women in the workplace either. same reasons plus too fuckin many of em have a chip on their shoulder
[03:20:51] <swiss> we have a woman as our Chief Technology Officer
[03:20:57] <swiss> and she is really good at her job
[03:21:06] <swiss> absolutely does not have it because of her gender
[03:21:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> good.
[03:21:17] <swiss> it's quite nice
[03:21:25] <swiss> because it sets a good standard for other women in our workplace
[03:21:45] <swiss> "Lol, you want to claim sexism? With the CTO signing off on all this? lel"
[03:21:55] <Ethanol-fueled> swiss, at my last job both software bosses were women (before one left to take a better position)
[03:22:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> one thing really chaps my ass is a woman who thinks the world is either out to get her or owes her something in a position of authority. i will not take a job like that. rather eat ramen. or dirt.
[03:22:28] <swiss> TheMightyBuzzard: yeah
[03:22:41] <swiss> i see it a lot from people with degrees too
[03:22:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause they're gonna be a henious cunt to work for.
[03:22:48] <swiss> thinking the piece of paper entitles them to something
[03:22:51] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard, I've had the hormonal boss from hell before. Big insecure dyke who liked to micromanage and throw her weight around.
[03:22:59] <swiss> Ethanol-fueled: you should talk about degree priviledge
[03:23:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, life's too short to put up with that shit.
[03:23:28] <BadCoderFinger> I've had both sexes as bosses, and they both ran the spectrum. The worst was a short guy who definitely had "Short-man-syndrome." You don't hear campaigns about that, though.
[03:23:54] <swiss> BadCoderFinger: he probably just was tired of all the jokes that went over his head
[03:24:05] <swiss> ba dum tss
[03:24:08] <BadCoderFinger> Heh!
[03:24:25] <Ethanol-fueled> Having a degree don't mean shit.
[03:24:34] <BadCoderFinger> EF: I second that.
[03:24:41] <BadCoderFinger> But it gets you past HR.
[03:24:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> my worst was an assistant manager who got hired cause he was an army buddy of the manager. knew fuck all about computers. chewed my ass for goofing off while i was installing a server one day so i quit on the spot.
[03:25:19] <swiss> Ethanol-fueled: but people feel entitled from it!
[03:25:19] <Ethanol-fueled> Okay, so it does indicate a higher likelihood that you at least have an aptitude to learn material...but it dosen't mean dick about social skills, applying skills, or even basic common fucking sense.
[03:26:03] <Ethanol-fueled> those are the worst, Buzzard. Ex-military motherfuckers who think they have to be respected because of the rank they once had.
[03:26:12] <Landon> having a degree means you spent 4 godforsaken years getting that degree instead of working :)
[03:26:24] <Ethanol-fueled> Retired E-8 navy Chief tried to pull that bullshit on me. I made him look like a bitch.
[03:26:31] <Landon> one of the best bosses I had was national guard
[03:26:40] <Landon> goes extremely both ways there :P
[03:27:04] <Landon> knew exactly the amount of shit that should be allowed before he'd be on us about getting work done
[03:27:26] <Landon> ... that, and the colorful language
[03:27:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, conservatives are having a field day on twitter over the DNC head not being able to explain the difference between a democrat and a socialist
[03:28:09] <BadCoderFinger> I think everyone should be a bit irritated about that.
[03:28:37] <BadCoderFinger> If you're head of a party, you should probably have some familiarity with the governmental models.
[03:29:19] <Landon> but-but-but socialist isn't one of the Two Sanctioned Parties in the US!
[03:29:34] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, I guess that counts it out.
[03:29:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't bug me. there's a few minor differences but both are plenty fucked up. not that conservatives are a lot better.
[03:30:06] <swiss> i'm enjoying Trump a lot right now
[03:30:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> surprisingly, me too
[03:30:18] <swiss> he's the best entertainment
[03:30:26] <BadCoderFinger> Oh yeah, the side show that is the Trump is funny to watch.
[03:30:30] <Landon> I don't understand trumps poll numbers
[03:30:35] <swiss> BadCoderFinger: side show? Leading the polls.
[03:30:35] <Landon> does 4chan have _that_ many users?
[03:30:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> he's not a politician, so i'd pick him out of everyone else right now just for that.
[03:30:58] <swiss> Landon: he is taking a much stronger stance than any other conservative candidate
[03:31:08] <swiss> so all the people looking for a very vocal leader are leaning towards him
[03:31:15] <BadCoderFinger> P.T. Barnum was also king of the side shows.
[03:31:19] <cmn32480> swiss: stronger than ANY candidate at this point
[03:31:26] <Ethanol-fueled> Trump is to provide a release for anti-immigrant sentiment, so people think "well, if Trump is saying it, then I no longer have to do anything about it"
[03:31:26] <swiss> if it's between him and Hillary, I'd pick him
[03:31:43] <Deucalion> I have to admit, not being a USA resident I get confused about the definitions in use there when it comes to politics. Liberals are conservative.. I think.. FSM knows how anyone chooses what to vote for in that lack of clarity.
[03:31:44] <Ethanol-fueled> swiss, that's like choosing between two pairs of dirty underwear
[03:31:49] <BadCoderFinger> If it comes down to Trump and Hillary, I'm bloody emigrating.
[03:32:00] <swiss> Ethanol-fueled: look at the last few races
[03:32:04] <swiss> it's always the lesser of two evils
[03:32:07] <Landon> Deucalion: I don't even know anymore, so much time in this bubble and I have no shits to give
[03:32:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i'm probably voting hillary cause i always pick the one most likely to send the nation straight to hell the fastest.
[03:32:26] <swiss> TheMightyBuzzard: ha ha ha
[03:32:32] <Landon> TheMightyBuzzard: start from a clean slate, right
[03:32:32] <Landon> :)
[03:32:34] <swiss> i mean, i have my swiss passport
[03:32:35] <Landon> I do the same thing for windows
[03:32:36] <Landon> ;)
[03:32:38] <swiss> and i travel out of country for that
[03:32:40] <cmn32480> themightybuzzard.. she is that candidate for sure
[03:32:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, seriously. obama 08 and 12.
[03:32:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> worked out better than i dared hope.
[03:33:03] <swiss> i almost always would vote a president in for his second term
[03:33:25] <swiss> imo, a president in his second term gets more done than any president in their first
[03:33:35] * TheMightyBuzzard fiddles while rome burns
[03:33:46] <Landon> swiss: home free!
[03:33:53] <Ethanol-fueled> If things don't improve I'm gonna bail the second I get my degree.
[03:34:04] <Ethanol-fueled> Which unfortunately won't be until next summer.
[03:34:04] <Landon> Ethanol-fueled: ETA?
[03:34:08] <Landon> goddamn you mindreader
[03:34:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuck, where to. we're still the best game in town.
[03:34:14] <Landon> give me that drink
[03:34:21] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard, not better than Iceland
[03:34:25] <Deucalion> TheMightyBuzzard, your fiddle will burn if anarchy ensues - regardless how much ammo you have stocked up.
[03:34:31] <cmn32480> I was gonna suggest Mexico
[03:34:36] <BadCoderFinger> Reykjavik is expensive.
[03:34:48] <Ethanol-fueled> BadCoderFinger - I'll claim asylum.
[03:34:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> Deucalion, as long as i get to use it all up, my work is done.
[03:34:58] <BadCoderFinger> EF: On what grounds?
[03:35:14] <Landon> douchebag in charge for 8 years
[03:35:24] <Deucalion> TheMightyBuzzard, nope - you'll just be dead for no effect.
[03:35:29] <Ethanol-fueled> BadCoderFinger - hopefully the roundings-up will have begun by then.
[03:35:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> BadCoderFinger, he's a white male. massive persecution for decades.
[03:35:56] <Ethanol-fueled> I'd go to Mex. Family friend has property there.
[03:36:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> Deucalion, betcha i get plenty of rounds off.
[03:36:29] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard may be shot dead, but he's taking others out with him.
[03:36:33] <BadCoderFinger> Heh, there are way more assholes that bullets.
[03:36:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> and even anarchy and survival of the fittest is preferable to oppression.
[03:36:52] <Landon> BadCoderFinger: I dunno about that....
[03:36:59] <Deucalion> TheMightyBuzzard, of course you will get rounds off. But not achieve anything.
[03:37:08] <Landon> ww2 documentary I was watching claimed 41 billion bullets were manufactured
[03:37:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> death too for that matter. me n patrick henry.
[03:37:20] <Landon> might need to poach from the army stockpile :)
[03:37:27] <Landon> but we've got enough bullets to fill every asshole a couple times over
[03:37:54] <BadCoderFinger> Even if that's true, most are horrible shots.
[03:37:54] <Ethanol-fueled> A revolt could probably capture Air Force bases without much of a fight.
[03:37:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> Deucalion, nobody ever really achieves anything except, with a bit of luck, to freely make their own choices in their life.
[03:38:19] <Ethanol-fueled> I mean, they can't bomb their own base and only a small percentage of them (the SPs ) are combat-trained.
[03:38:28] <Landon> Ethanol-fueled: making me jones for futurama
[03:38:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, air force... their idea of PT is riding a stationary bike while they drink their coffee n watch the morning news.
[03:38:58] <Ethanol-fueled> Oh, brother, the old bike slam...bringing back old memories.
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[03:39:14] <Landon> https://www.youtube.com
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[03:39:26] <Deucalion> TheMightyBuzzard, correct. I was just pointing out that going out in a blaze of glory is not particularly productive if one's agenda is real change.
[03:39:45] <Ethanol-fueled> As former AF nothing was more appalling than seeing young pukes act tough because they made it in.
[03:39:47] <Deucalion> Might make New at 10
[03:40:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> Deucalion, yeah, prolly. real change is temporary enough that it's just a pipe dream anyway though.
[03:40:24] <Ethanol-fueled> Deucalion, maybe not just by himself, but if there are others like him who do the same that would get somebody's attention.
[03:40:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> sooner or later it always devolves back to authoritarian bullshit.
[03:41:20] <BadCoderFinger> Sadly, it seems every government becomes suborned to imperalism.
[03:41:41] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard, would you go up against this? -> https://scontent.fsan1-1.fna.fbcdn.net
[03:41:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> even the benefits of the reign of Emperor TheMightyBuzzard I would only last as long as I did.
[03:42:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, fuck yeah. i can take a baby in a stroller, easy.
[03:42:24] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahahaha
[03:42:28] <Landon> Ethanol-fueled: that scenario is always the one that's bugged me
[03:42:36] <Landon> the army is going to take yer guns and oppress you?
[03:42:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> not a chance
[03:42:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> we have WAY more guns and boots.
[03:43:05] <Ethanol-fueled> They won't grab the guns outright, they'll just keep chipping away at gun owners and their rights slowly.
[03:43:12] <Landon> are you fucking kidding me?
[03:43:13] <Deucalion> TheMightyBuzzard, that's how governance always travels, they need to be reined in from time to time else they step outside their remit. Going at it single handed and angry is only going to end one way... you dead. Nothing achieved.
[03:43:43] <Landon> every army vet/active duty I know is _super duper_ for gun ownership
[03:43:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> Deucalion, ya but it's less effort than having to organize something
[03:44:04] <Ethanol-fueled> Deucalion, what method do you suggest?
[03:44:13] <Landon> and we all know "Orders" isn't a sufficient excuse
[03:44:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> Landon, vets count as civvies.
[03:44:25] <Ethanol-fueled> Of course there are methods other than violence, but would the government listen?
[03:44:32] <Landon> TheMightyBuzzard: I don't think they got that attitude right after leaving though :)
[03:44:37] <Deucalion> TheMightyBuzzard, your choice
[03:45:08] <Ethanol-fueled> What needs to happen is a damning release of information which will do harm to the fifth-columnists running the US' shadow-government.
[03:45:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> Deucalion, precisely. i make my own choices and thus live free no matter how many rules surround me.
[03:45:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, who'd publish it?
[03:45:53] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahahaha, I love this one: -> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com
[03:46:11] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard, there are people who'd publish it, but they have to get it first.
[03:46:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> if nobody ever gets to hear about it, they can do whatever the hell they want without fear of scandal.
[03:46:15] * Deucalion shakes TheMightyBuzzard's hand - live free or die.
[03:46:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> Deucalion, damned skippy
[03:48:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, past my bedtime and i still got lotsa shit to get done this weekend. Ethanol-fueled take over the anti-authoritarian torch for a while.
[03:48:57] <Landon> hah, ATS:
[03:48:58] <Landon> "think about it: it is much more benificial to 'the secret powers running the world' to NOT openly enslave society
[03:48:59] <Landon> instead, it's much cheaper and easier to create a false beleif among society that society is free, so long as 'the people' continue to go work everyday, continue to buy and eat poor quality food, continue to beleive what is on tv, news and movies - there is no need to actually handcuff anyone
[03:49:00] <Landon> "
[03:49:00] * Deucalion tries to pick up the authoritarian torch.... ouch... it burns..
[03:49:01] <Landon> :)
[03:49:59] <Ethanol-fueled> Landon, the people are not that stupid -- though people in high places and their lackeys are trying damned hard to convince you otherwise.
[03:50:29] <Deucalion> Ethanol-fueled, are you still not drinking?
[03:50:35] <Ethanol-fueled> The latest generation saw what their parents had, and how that is being taken from them.
[03:50:51] <Ethanol-fueled> Deucalion, I am drinking tonight. I'm two beers deep.
[03:52:35] * Deucalion puts on sad face - you were going for 21 days. Man up and deal with it.
[03:53:06] <Deucalion> RAWR or something, you are better than that bottle
[03:54:00] <Ethanol-fueled> the real test will be how much I drink tonight.
[03:54:49] <Ethanol-fueled> Which will definitely not be anywhere near my peak.
[03:55:10] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah yeah, I'm a liar and a scoundrel with no self-control.
[03:55:15] * Ethanol-fueled burps
[04:00:53] <Deucalion> Test yourself - finish that one, then go to bed. Challenge?
[04:01:36] <Ethanol-fueled> Sorry bro, but I'd like to have another.
[04:01:46] <Landon> I'll have another popsicle myself
[04:01:47] <Ethanol-fueled> It's not quite my bedtime.
[04:01:53] <Ethanol-fueled> popsicles++
[04:01:53] <Bender> karma - popsicles: 1
[04:02:03] <Landon> especially of the sugar water variety
[04:02:19] <Landon> I had so many a few weeks ago that I was pooping food coloring
[04:02:21] <Landon> colored the toilet water
[04:02:30] <Landon> wife cut me off after that
[04:02:32] <Ethanol-fueled> Landon, do you do ghetto popsicles by freezing your own juice?
[04:02:45] <Landon> ... being E-F, I'm wary of what you're referring to as "juice"
[04:03:10] <Landon> I don't have a good enough recipe for homemade popsicles though, they all turn out to be rock hard ice cubes or just fall off of the stick
[04:03:47] <Ethanol-fueled> We used to make 'em with Kool-aid
[04:03:55] <Ethanol-fueled> or eat Otter-Pops
[04:03:56] <Landon> "juice"
[04:03:57] <Landon> :P
[04:04:19] <Landon> soda made pretty good popsicles if I remember my childhood right
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[04:14:51] <Ethanol-fueled> Ah, posted. I think I met my troll quota for tonight.
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[04:48:09] <cmn32480> OH THANK GOD FOR WINDOWS UPDATE
[04:48:28] <cmn32480> I think it may have jsut saved my ass from some serious problems
[04:48:38] <cmn32480> said nobody ever before tonight
[04:48:44] <Subsentient> I farted
[04:48:52] <cmn32480> dry or wet?
[04:49:03] <cmn32480> silent or noisy?
[04:49:20] <cmn32480> stinky or pleasant?
[04:49:32] <cmn32480> you can't jsut say "I farted" and give no detail subsentient
[04:49:36] <cmn32480> that jhust sin't fair
[04:49:56] <Subsentient> Schrodinger's fart. All of the above.
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[04:51:30] <Ethanol-fueled> Sup.
[04:51:47] <Subsentient> derp
[04:51:58] <cmn32480> Subsentient gave us Shrodingers fart
[04:51:58] <SirFinkus> finished my wall of text simple wikipedia tier writeup of the hanford thing
[04:52:17] <cmn32480> it was wet, dry, silent and noisy, stinky and pleasant
[04:52:41] <cmn32480> very cool SirFinkus
[04:52:57] <cmn32480> when shoudl we expect it in the story queue
[04:52:57] <SirFinkus> posted in my journal
[04:53:03] <cmn32480> BOOOOOOOOO!
[04:53:12] * Ethanol-fueled reads fink's journal
[04:53:26] <SirFinkus> you can queue it if you want, I didn't think the write up was good enough for that though
[04:53:47] <cmn32480> I'll read it
[04:53:51] <cmn32480> was it a cool trip?
[04:54:01] <SirFinkus> yes, highly recommended if you're ever in washington
[04:54:20] <Ethanol-fueled> holy shit, I havent friended Finkus
[04:54:24] * Ethanol-fueled friends Finkus
[04:55:13] <SirFinkus> I'd recommend taking the B reactor tour if you aren't interested in the recovery efforts
[04:55:36] <SirFinkus> it's shorter, but it's more detailed about the reactor
[04:55:50] <cmn32480> ok... site says you don't exits
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[04:56:13] <SirFinkus> https://soylentnews.org
[04:56:21] <exec> └─ 13Journal of Sir Finkus (192)
[04:56:24] <Ethanol-fueled> Did you go for fun, Fink?
[04:56:31] <SirFinkus> yup
[04:56:40] <cmn32480> I forgot the +
[04:56:45] <SirFinkus> and to steal nuclear secrets
[04:58:09] <SirFinkus> the hanford.gov site has more detailed information and pictures of all the facilities, but I was too lazy to link them
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[05:01:19] <SirFinkus> oh boy, we got some batshit in the submission queue
[05:01:21] <SirFinkus> https://soylentnews.org
[05:01:28] <exec> └─ 13[BREAKING] Do Not Mock MDC: SoylentNews Submission
[05:01:43] <cmn32480> I'm still in your journal
[05:02:05] <Ethanol-fueled> As somebody who had to watch a family member become more and more mentally ill over a long period of time, I'm starting to believe homeboy is genuinely nuts.
[05:02:59] <SirFinkus> have you been to his website?
[05:03:18] <Ethanol-fueled> yeah.
[05:04:04] <SirFinkus> we'll know we've arrived when terry davis starts posting templeOS spam
[05:05:48] <cmn32480> Very Cool Sirfikus
[05:05:51] <cmn32480> Very Cool Sirfinkus
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[05:07:34] <SirFinkus> thanks
[05:10:08] <cmn32480> zoinks.
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[05:10:21] <cmn32480> that sub is ... wow
[05:10:46] <SirFinkus> read his website too
[05:11:05] <SirFinkus> it goes on about Thalidomide and leporosy
[05:11:58] <cmn32480> JHFRC...
[05:12:46] <cmn32480> I think Ethanol-Fueled said it right. I'm starting to believe homeboy is genuinely nuts.
[05:12:56] <SirFinkus> it's much more entertaining than my journal entry though
[05:13:07] <cmn32480> in a scary, scary way
[05:13:42] <Ethanol-fueled> Imagine having to have somebody like that as a parent during your childhood.
[05:14:00] <SirFinkus> I can picture NCommander on the stand explaining to some old jurors what soylentnews is
[05:14:26] <SirFinkus> My grandmother is a different type of nuts, and that's bad enough
[05:14:51] <cmn32480> I am very thankful that mental illness does not run in my family
[05:15:19] <cmn32480> unless being a complete bitch is actualyl mental illness, then my grandmother qualifies on all counts
[05:15:56] <SirFinkus> ha! are we related?
[05:16:05] <cmn32480> it's possible.
[05:16:17] <cmn32480> my grandmother blacklisted everybody who disagreed with her
[05:16:26] <SirFinkus> sounds a lot like mine
[05:16:35] <cmn32480> and she somehow blamed my mom for my aunt dying of cancer
[05:16:40] <Ethanol-fueled> cmn, older animals separate themselves from the pack before they die ;)
[05:16:53] <SirFinkus> if only I was so lucky
[05:17:02] <cmn32480> I wish EF
[05:17:06] <SirFinkus> she's survived cancer twice
[05:17:13] <cmn32480> she did this shit over 30 years ago
[05:17:17] <SirFinkus> it just makes her worse
[05:17:34] <cmn32480> I remember it when I was maybe 5 years old?
[05:18:17] <cmn32480> didn't see her again until my grandfather died when I was 21.
[05:18:47] <SirFinkus> I somehow got roped into helping her move (a few hundred dollars may have been involved) and I got into an argument with her about removing the wheels on her bicycle so that it would fit in the already too small truck
[05:18:56] <SirFinkus> I was informed that this would destroy the bicycle
[05:19:26] <cmn32480> saw her maybe once after that before her funeral
[05:19:28] <SirFinkus> for context, I had a similar bike and I've probably put 5k miles on mine, and I'd be shocked if hers had ever left the garage
[05:19:56] <cmn32480> my grandfather's funeral had standing room only at the church
[05:20:12] <SirFinkus> I wonder what she expects to do if she ever takes the bike out of the garage and gets a flat tire, call AAA?
[05:20:14] <cmn32480> her funeral had 16 people, including the priest and alter boys
[05:20:21] <SirFinkus> at least the bitch is dead
[05:20:25] <cmn32480> AMEN
[05:20:38] <cmn32480> shame she is buried with my grandfather and my aunt
[05:20:39] <SirFinkus> mine isn't yet, but my grandfather died
[05:20:53] <cmn32480> I hate visitng her when I go to see them
[05:21:00] <SirFinkus> for as long as I can remember she did nothing but shit talk him
[05:21:10] <SirFinkus> you couldn't even mention his name
[05:21:19] <SirFinkus> but then the bitch showed up at his funeral
[05:21:31] <SirFinkus> and did the same thing
[05:21:40] <SirFinkus> everyone loved my grandfather
[05:21:47] <Ethanol-fueled> PUSH HER DOWN THE STAIRS
[05:22:05] <cmn32480> and nobody loves your grandmoather
[05:22:09] <cmn32480> same story
[05:22:17] <cmn32480> we might as well be related SirFinkus
[05:22:18] <SirFinkus> she lives in spokane now, after the moving thing I've resolved never to see her again
[05:22:41] <SirFinkus> I almost called her a hateful cunt, but then the rest of the family would have to deal with her
[05:22:53] <SirFinkus> it'd be like tossing a grenade and sprinting out of the room
[05:23:16] <cmn32480> quite the analogy
[05:23:21] <cmn32480> probably accurate
[05:23:37] <cmn32480> and likely to get you blacklisted by the rest of the family
[05:23:50] <cmn32480> maybe not likely... but possibly
[05:23:56] <SirFinkus> that's unlikely
[05:23:57] <cmn32480> adn certainly gt you cut out of the will
[05:24:02] <SirFinkus> rest of my family is awesome
[05:24:16] <SirFinkus> so the bag bitches about never having money
[05:24:18] <SirFinkus> constantly
[05:24:46] <SirFinkus> but spends $300 a week going out to dinner
[05:25:01] <SirFinkus> and leases a new car every year
[05:25:03] <cmn32480> ach.. to hell with her
[05:25:14] <SirFinkus> I doubt she has much money, I suspect crushing debt
[05:25:19] <SirFinkus> *hope
[05:25:47] <Ethanol-fueled> can't they stick the rest of you with the debt though?
[05:25:50] <Ethanol-fueled> WHen she croaks?
[05:26:22] <SirFinkus> I don't think so, and she's trying to trick someone into marrying her
[05:26:58] <cmn32480> I believe that depending on the debt, it may be paid from her estate...
[05:26:59] <SirFinkus> but for some strange reason, all of her personal relationships implode
[05:27:18] <cmn32480> if she owns the house, that gets sold to pay the debt
[05:27:26] <SirFinkus> then we get to hear about how <person> is literally hitler
[05:27:30] <SirFinkus> oh, forgot that part
[05:27:30] <cmn32480> shocking based on your description
[05:27:33] <SirFinkus> she moves yearly
[05:27:52] <cmn32480> HOly fuck
[05:27:54] <cmn32480> it works
[05:28:01] <cmn32480> SWEEEEEEEET!!!!!!
[05:28:17] <cmn32480> that last patch to the .NET framework fixed it!
[05:28:23] * cmn32480 deos the happy dance
[05:28:43] <SirFinkus> that shit is maddening
[05:29:01] <cmn32480> I'm at 5x the number of readers that this software has been smoke tested with
[05:29:16] <SirFinkus> details?
[05:29:21] <cmn32480> and the problem I have been fighting for the last 3 hours was the fucking .Net Framework
[05:29:28] <cmn32480> sorry... rewind
[05:29:28] <SirFinkus> you can't just come in there with that excitement and not give any exposition
[05:29:57] <cmn32480> my company is doing a job for the new University Medical Center in New Orleans
[05:30:18] <SirFinkus> I'm sorry
[05:30:26] <cmn32480> <this explains whey I have bene there every couple weeks for the last 3 months>
[05:30:35] <cmn32480> the project is this:
[05:31:11] <cmn32480> they have a hospital supplies provider that is helping them to save $$ on their
[05:32:14] <cmn32480> inventory usage
[05:32:23] <cmn32480> and problems wiht not charging patients for stuff
[05:32:48] <SirFinkus> medical billing? even more "fun"
[05:32:53] <cmn32480> the logistics company has decided that tehy want to be able to track all the supplies abouve a certain $$ figure using RFID
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[05:33:26] <cmn32480> we have installed 876 antennas connected to 250 readers throught the hospital in every patinet assignable room
[05:33:37] <cmn32480> *patient assignable
[05:33:43] <SirFinkus> that part sounds kind of fun
[05:34:15] <cmn32480> the middleware that collects the data from the 250 readers has been kicking my ass for several days in the configuration and testing
[05:34:33] <cmn32480> the software company tells me that they don't reccommend more than 50 readers on a given server
[05:34:39] <cmn32480> I have 250
[05:35:26] <cmn32480> I thought the dev from the middleware supplier was going to shit himself when Itold him that
[05:35:47] <cmn32480> there was a lot of stammering and what sounded distinctly like vapor lock
[05:39:51] <Ethanol-fueled> can it be done successfully, cmn?
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[05:42:36] <cmn32480> it works
[05:42:54] <cmn32480> I got about 240 of the readers on line.
[05:43:09] <cmn32480> the rest are network issues at the hospital that they need to get figured out
[05:43:30] <Ethanol-fueled> hospitals are full of bad vibes. They stink of death.
[05:43:53] <cmn32480> this one is brand new (they opened today) and it still stinks of death
[05:44:20] <SirFinkus> they're always laid out strangely too
[05:44:52] <Ethanol-fueled> Fink, they're probably laid out that way because they require secure areas.
[05:45:34] <cmn32480> yu[
[05:45:36] <cmn32480> yup
[05:45:43] <cmn32480> this one has a very funky layout
[05:46:15] <cmn32480> but my install team was able to get into every area they needed to without a security badge, with the exception of the OR's
[05:46:38] <SirFinkus> makes a certain level of sense, but it seems like they'd be able to design them to be easier to navigate
[05:47:07] <Ethanol-fueled> Yup, escaping from a hospital is a real bitch.
[05:47:27] <Ethanol-fueled> The best you can do is feel around like a rat in a maze.
[05:47:30] <Landon> silly, but Lowes and Home Depot are pioneers in navigation imo :) just download the app, tell it what store you're at and it will tell you the wood glue is in aisle 6 bay 8
[05:47:43] <SirFinkus> total wine is good too
[05:48:26] <cmn32480> Landon - do they really?
[05:48:44] <SirFinkus> also, if you have the app shouldn't it already know which store you're in?
[05:48:46] <cmn32480> I haven't looked at either of their apps
[05:48:48] <SirFinkus> gps is a thing
[05:49:45] <Landon> cmn32480: yep
[05:49:51] <Landon> SirFinkus: correct
[05:50:10] <Landon> "you tell it" == "You click Accept at the Can I use your location? prompt"
[05:50:10] <cmn32480> no kidding. wonder if they can write me one for my kitchen
[05:50:23] <Landon> they even had the items in endcaps in the app
[05:50:26] <Landon> that was really impressive
[05:50:33] <cmn32480> I have no clue where my wife puts stuff
[05:50:35] <SirFinkus> OR FOR THE GSPOT HARHARHAR
[05:50:47] <cmn32480> I have no problem finding that
[05:50:55] <Landon> it's next to the f and the h
[05:50:58] <Landon> home row
[05:50:58] <cmn32480> but the kitchen layout confuses the shiut out of me
[05:51:10] <Ethanol-fueled> That's nifty but I don't think that's necessary given the data collected. It's not like something like navigation you need while driving a road-trip -- home depot (and to a lesser extent, Lowe's) already have tons of associates crawling the place waiting for you to ask them where shit it.
[05:51:14] <Ethanol-fueled> shit is^
[05:51:14] <SirFinkus> how the fuck are you confused by your kitchen?
[05:51:38] <cmn32480> lotta drawers, and wasn't here when she last rearranged
[05:51:47] <cmn32480> nothgin is wher I remember ti being
[05:52:16] <Landon> Ethanol-fueled: but now you don't have to interact with the associates at all :)
[05:52:23] <Landon> I made my last trip in and out without talking to a single person
[05:52:28] <SirFinkus> that's why you get one of those bottle openers that you can mount on the wall
[05:52:30] <Landon> or requiring their assistance
[05:52:45] <SirFinkus> or have one on your keychain
[05:53:42] <SirFinkus> and the location of the good gyro place or the taco trucks hasn't changed in years
[05:53:50] <Ethanol-fueled> Landon, good luck not having to to interact with associates when you need that wood cut so it can fit in your car.
[05:54:34] <cmn32480> bottle openers don't move
[05:54:36] <SirFinkus> that kind of stuff doesn't really bother me, as long as they aren't trying to sell me a warrantee or something
[05:54:41] <Landon> Ethanol-fueled: most of my trips are for mundane household goodies
[05:54:46] <cmn32480> or at least my go to opener doesn't
[05:54:51] <Landon> bottle of wood glue and dowels to fix the table, etc
[05:55:14] <cmn32480> it hangs on the inside of the cabinet next to the fridge above the oven
[05:55:30] <cmn32480> it is a flat bar opener from my days as a bartender
[05:55:41] <SirFinkus> that's impolite though, how will your guests know where it is?
[05:55:55] <Landon> I've got two on my keychain for such occasions
[05:56:00] <Landon> since I don't drink myself...
[05:56:10] <Landon> <-- life of the party
[05:56:11] <SirFinkus> heroic
[05:57:11] <cmn32480> guests either are served, or already know
[05:57:15] <SirFinkus> a lot of microbrews are starting to use cans, which is a good move imo
[05:57:47] <SirFinkus> my only complaint is that bottle keep the beer cooler for longer
[05:57:56] <Ethanol-fueled> pffft, fancy bottle-openers. How cute. Anybody who is either unwilling or unable to open the bottle with my countertop is not welcome to drink in my place.
[05:58:00] <Landon> Ethanol-fueled: you do woodworking? I'm getting started myself
[05:58:25] <SirFinkus> Ethanol-fueled: can I use my car keys?
[05:58:33] <Ethanol-fueled> Yes, fink, that is acceptable.
[05:58:57] <Ethanol-fueled> Landon, I occasionally do woodworking for money.
[05:59:11] <Ethanol-fueled> basic stuff, fixing fences or additions to fences etc.
[05:59:50] <SirFinkus> I need to get back into metalworking, that was a lot of fun
[06:00:00] <SirFinkus> pricey though
[06:00:00] * Ethanol-fueled don't know shit about metalworking
[06:00:17] <SirFinkus> it's like woodworking, but everything is much more of a pita
[06:00:34] <SirFinkus> as far as the cutting and grinding bits go
[06:00:53] <cmn32480> I was a bartender... I can open a bottle on jsut about anything. except my teeth
[06:01:01] <Ethanol-fueled> yeah, grinding is a bitch. if you had long sleeves before the job, you won't have much of them after.
[06:01:12] <Ethanol-fueled> cmn, did you drink on the job?
[06:01:22] <SirFinkus> welding is awesome though
[06:01:32] <SirFinkus> hard to do correctly, but very satisfying
[06:02:23] <cmn32480> not often
[06:02:27] <cmn32480> we usually drank after
[06:02:50] <Ethanol-fueled> every bartender has a shot here or there.
[06:02:58] <cmn32480> getting caught where I worked drunk while handling $$ was a quick way to get fired
[06:03:07] <Ethanol-fueled> Oh, so you were legit, then.
[06:03:19] <cmn32480> a shot here or there was fine
[06:03:26] <SirFinkus> most of the ones around here smoke pot instead I think
[06:03:27] <cmn32480> no getting drunk 'till after work
[06:04:31] <cmn32480> legit is a pretty loose term for a bartender
[06:07:27] <Ethanol-fueled> We got dive bars around here where the bartenders get trashed on the job
[06:09:52] <cmn32480> it varies by the place
[06:10:05] <cmn32480> down the Delaware beaches that was the norm
[06:10:18] <cmn32480> I worked in a college town
[06:10:41] <cmn32480> they were always looking to put places under with stings for serving underage and anythign they coudl get
[06:12:26] <crutchy_> coffee++
[06:12:26] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1542
[06:12:35] <Ethanol-fueled> Same with San Diego. They make all kinds of rules like that an establishment MUST have x number of bouncers per y number of people
[06:13:43] <Ethanol-fueled> sup crutchy
[06:13:55] <SirFinkus> all our bars have to close at 2 am
[06:14:05] <cmn32480> Delaware was 1am
[06:14:27] <cmn32480> I ahven't the slightest idea of what the closing time is where i live now
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[06:16:31] <cmn32480> cripe... 2:15...
[06:16:36] <cmn32480> tie for me to head off to bed
[06:16:45] <cmn32480> g'night gents
[06:16:47] <SirFinkus> night
[06:16:52] <crutchy_> ~g'night cmn32480
[06:16:53] * exec spontaneously poops a cold can of vibrating rooster sammich for cmn32480
[06:17:09] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm gonna fuck off a bit and crash soon as well. Night fellas.
[06:17:18] <crutchy_> ~g'night Ethanol-fueled
[06:17:19] <cmn32480> night Ethanol
[06:17:20] * exec fanatically pours a bathtub of bacon for Ethanol-fueled
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[06:17:38] <cmn32480> sure he gets a bathtub of back... I get canned rooster
[06:17:53] <cmn32480> exec: you sir, are a fucker
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[06:21:09] * crutchy_ tries to imagine a can of vibrating rooster sammich
[06:21:19] <crutchy_> ...and draws a blank
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[06:26:33] <arti> hmmm
[06:36:37] * crutchy_ is listening to 'freedom fighters' by two steps from hell
[06:37:23] <crutchy_> poor monopoly and sedbot :(
[06:37:57] <crutchy_> you still out and about chromas?
[06:38:34] <crutchy_> eh? no chromas?
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[07:02:39] <arti> apparently
[07:05:36] <Subsentient> crutchy_: I'm a fan of two steps from hell as well.
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[12:15:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Uber Spends a Billion in India, Takes a Billion From Microsoft - http://sylnt.us - modern-robin-hood
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[15:26:02] <cmn32480> coffee++
[15:26:02] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1543
[16:49:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Nearing 3000 Comets: SOHO Solar Observatory Greatest Comet Hunter of All Time - http://sylnt.us - stars-in-its-eyes
[17:22:54] <takyon> ok so I just did a search
[17:23:46] <takyon> https://www.youtube.com
[17:23:49] <exec> └─ 13Michael David Crawford on CNN with Rick Sanchez - YouTube
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[23:15:56] <arti> http://www.dailymail.co.uk
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[23:16:29] <arti> "Jimi Heselden, 62, was found dead in a river after plunging 80 feet over a limestone cliff near his home. He was riding a rugged country version of the two-wheeled Segway when tragedy struck."
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