#Soylent | Logs for 2015-08-01

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[00:01:12] <arti> greasemonkey/tampermonkey is awesome
[00:01:18] <arti> it's like gamegenie for clientside stuff
[00:02:59] <Landon> hah
[00:04:23] <arti> i last used it to dump out all the listbox contents on a giant salesforce form.
[00:04:34] <arti> selects*
[00:05:21] <arti> if you're comfortable with javascript and jquery you'll hit the ground running
[00:13:53] <AndyTheAbsurd> I'm not familiar at all with jquery
[00:14:07] <AndyTheAbsurd> one of those things I should probably get around to looking into
[00:15:02] <arti> you'll pick it up quick, it's mostly dom manipulation that you're after if you're tweaking stuff
[00:15:39] <arti> "this thing should have a download link, iterate through these selectors and find me this attribute, insert this html to blah element"
[00:18:31] <AndyTheAbsurd> http://www.patheos.com
[00:18:35] <AndyTheAbsurd> hehe.
[00:48:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hugh Jackman Wants Your Input for His Last Wolverine Movie - http://sylnt.us - cut-his-finger-nails
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[01:00:54] <BadCoderFinger> Hi guys
[01:04:07] <AndyTheAbsurd> Hi
[01:08:10] <BadCoderFinger> Hey Andy, how are things?
[01:08:23] <AndyTheAbsurd> not bad
[01:09:26] <BadCoderFinger> It's beer day, I have a growler of Hop Abomination, I'm doing great
[01:09:38] <AndyTheAbsurd> nice.
[01:09:44] * AndyTheAbsurd has no beer
[01:10:03] <AndyTheAbsurd> I have whisky and a bit of rum left but not really any mixers.
[01:15:47] <BadCoderFinger> That should do a bit, heh.
[01:15:53] <BadCoderFinger> Mixing whisky is nearly a sin.
[01:18:37] <BadCoderFinger> Well, unless it's a blend.
[01:31:40] <AndyTheAbsurd> I did dishes
[01:32:10] <AndyTheAbsurd> now I'm back in front of the computer with a NASA shot glass, a nearly-empty bottle of Smirnoff vodka, and a can of diet Coke.
[01:33:25] <BadCoderFinger> That's a fine start.
[01:33:38] <BadCoderFinger> How'd you get the NASA glass, did you work there?
[01:34:10] <AndyTheAbsurd> I live in Florida - I went to the Kennedy Space Center visitors center and bought it in their gift shop.
[01:34:31] <AndyTheAbsurd> Fortunately - unlike Disney - they only have the *one* gift shop.
[01:36:28] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, funny how merchandising is only a side business for them.
[01:36:55] <AndyTheAbsurd> all the *really* neat stuff there is super spendy
[01:37:11] <AndyTheAbsurd> which is probably what keeps a lot of it a side business
[01:38:24] <AndyTheAbsurd> if they could lower the cost and sell through, say, ThinkGeek? Well, there's not so many space fans that they'd be rolling in dough (rockets are awful expensive, after all) but they'd probably get maybe as much as one percent of their annual budget back that way.
[01:41:41] <BadCoderFinger> They need something to shore up their pitiful budget.
[02:09:24] <Mutant> Smirnoff vodka - best stored in the freezer and drunk super cold. Ebil stuff :) OK for mixing I suppose.
[02:10:33] <BadCoderFinger> I like Grey Goose.
[02:13:57] * AndyTheAbsurd is trying to write a bash script that prettyprints JSON, while drinking.
[02:15:20] <BadCoderFinger> That should end well...
[02:17:28] <Mutant> Smirnoff is UK, Grey Goose is French..... Stolichnaya would be my choice for main stream brands... it's all gut rot IME though. We need some Russians in here to let us know what a proper vodka is - I doubt anything we are sold as vodka is anywhere close to authentic.
[02:18:41] <Bytram> I recall reading somewhere that some college students surmised that cheap vodka could be made 'smoother' by running it through a Brita (TM) filter a few times.
[02:19:11] <BadCoderFinger> Yikes, if that's what you resort to, maybe that's just not the right vodka.
[02:19:27] <BadCoderFinger> But I bet the carbon neutralizes some of the odd tastes.
[02:19:31] <Bytram> they couldn't say for sure if it worked, though, because they had to sample things after each pass through the filter - were pretty well gone by the time they got through to the end of the experiment.
[02:19:46] <Mutant> Bytram, PM?
[02:19:47] <BadCoderFinger> Maybe they're onto something after all...
[02:20:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Russia Schedules First Proton Rocket Launch Since Crash - http://sylnt.us - of-we-go-again
[02:20:21] <Bytram> I found the application of the scientific method along with an attempt to stretch a college student's budget to be quite interesting.
[02:20:25] <Bytram> sure
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[02:22:12] <Mutant> Right on cue
[02:22:32] <Mutant> Ethanol-fueled, how's the drying out going?
[02:22:51] <Ethanol-fueled> Pretty good.
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[02:23:03] <SoyGuest43431> Doesn't to much to stop the trolling though, haha.
[02:23:06] <SoyGuest43431> goddammit.
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[02:24:25] <Ethanol-fueled> getting used to/setting up xchat.
[02:26:12] <Mutant> Yeh - those nickserv options are in there to auto /ns identify so you don;t have to. You'll work it out :P
[02:27:03] <Ethanol-fueled> I've been doing it the lazy way just filling fields in the chat client and hoping the shit works out.
[02:27:45] <Ethanol-fueled> Nice things, those Japan wikileaks. Read an interview with Shinzo Abe and he dodged answering the TPP question 3 times.
[02:28:13] <AndyTheAbsurd> yay being lazy
[02:28:36] <Ethanol-fueled> Was it deliberate, or was it just high-context language typical of Asians?
[02:28:59] <AndyTheAbsurd> TPP seems like a total shitshow
[02:29:25] <Ethanol-fueled> I have a hardon about the timing of the Japan Wikileaks' release though.
[02:30:28] <Ethanol-fueled> The Wikileaks article even references "honor" in an attempt to appeal to the more traditional aspects of the Japanese. Heh.
[02:31:21] <Ethanol-fueled> " The lesson for Japan is this: do not expect a global surveillance superpower to act with honour or respect. There is only one rule: there are no rules. "
[02:31:24] <Ethanol-fueled> DUN DUN DUN
[02:31:54] <AndyTheAbsurd> there were never any rules
[02:32:00] <AndyTheAbsurd> we all just pretended that there were
[02:32:15] * AndyTheAbsurd has this thing half-assed-working already
[02:32:24] <AndyTheAbsurd> obviously the vodka helped.
[02:32:45] <Bytram> http://go.theregister.com
[02:32:48] <Ethanol-fueled> Like hell there weren't any rules. We're still alive because of rules.
[02:32:50] <exec> └─ 13This hospital drug pump can be hacked over a network – and the US FDA is freaking out • The Register - 03http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/01/fda_hospitals_hospira_pump_hacks/
[02:37:49] <AndyTheAbsurd> Ethanol-fueled: Like hell there ARE rules. There's just physics and consequences. And the "consequences" part only exists because we all agree to pretend that there are rules.
[02:38:18] <Ethanol-fueled> Okay, Tyler Durden, put down the soap and get a real job.
[02:38:30] <AndyTheAbsurd> I have a real job
[02:38:34] <Ethanol-fueled> hahahaha
[02:38:41] <AndyTheAbsurd> and I pretend that there are rules most of the time
[02:38:50] <AndyTheAbsurd> because I don't want to deal with the consequences
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[02:39:00] <AndyTheAbsurd> but I know that I *could* do a lot of shit that I don't
[02:39:11] <AndyTheAbsurd> mostly because I've made a choice not to be That Guy.
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[02:39:59] <Ethanol-fueled> but when you get home, you put on your leather jacket and hop on your motorcycle and go...where there are NO RULES. Pants? You don't even know what pants are!
[02:40:08] <AndyTheAbsurd> some people? they like to be That Guy.
[02:40:35] <AndyTheAbsurd> I don't have a motorcycle, more's the pity.
[02:42:17] * ThatGuy had a heck of day... I was alternating between being really hot and then really cold. And I felt alternately sandblasted dry or soaking wet. And that doesn't even get into the odd sensations of floatiness or as if I'm being weighed down by tons of hammering mass.
[02:42:40] <ThatGuy> so what I'm saying is that either I'm suffering from legionaires disease or I went to the beach :)
[02:42:59] <Ethanol-fueled> This is Andy when he gets home from work:
[02:43:00] <Ethanol-fueled> http://imgmf0.starnow.com
[02:44:38] <AndyTheAbsurd> no, this is me right now: http://imgur.com
[02:44:41] <exec> └─ 13Imgur
[02:45:07] <ThatGuy> what are those books in the backghround?
[02:45:28] <Bytram> ~weather baghdad
[02:45:30] <exec> 03Baghdad, Iraq - currently 91°F, mostly sunny, wind NW at 10 mph, humidity 20% - Saturday sunny (89°F-121°F), Sunday sunny (89°F-119°F), Monday sunny (89°F-119°F), Tuesday sunny (91°F-121°F)
[02:45:34] <Bytram> ~weather mcmurdo
[02:45:35] <exec> 03McMurdo, Antarctica - currently -7°F, partly cloudy, wind E at 8 mph, humidity 33% - Saturday partly cloudy (-29°F--9°F), Sunday partly cloudy (-20°F--15°F), Monday mostly cloudy (-19°F--13°F), Tuesday mostly cloudy (-14°F--11°F)
[02:45:52] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[02:45:54] <exec> 03Boston, MA, USA - currently 79°F, clear, wind W at 8 mph, humidity 44% - Friday clear with periodic clouds (68°F-88°F), Saturday mostly sunny (65°F-88°F), Sunday sunny (69°F-87°F), Monday mostly sunny (71°F-91°F)
[02:45:55] <Ethanol-fueled> ThatGuy, one looks kinda like civil engineering
[02:46:14] <AndyTheAbsurd> ThatGuy: the ones on the table are really old bibles; the ones on the shelf behind me are role-playing books (mix of Pathfinder and Mage)
[02:46:26] <ThatGuy> and is that one of those Swedish-made penis enlarger pumps being used as bookend?
[02:46:32] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahahaah
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[02:47:07] <BadCoderFinger> With a receipt, no doubt.
[02:47:12] <AndyTheAbsurd> SpallsHurgenson: I....uh....have no idea what you're talking about.
[02:47:13] <Bytram> AndyTheAbsurd: really old bibles? KJV? Nestle? Codex Vaticanus? ;)
[02:47:41] * SpallsHurgenson zooms in and sees a One warranty card for Swedish-made penis enlarger pump, filled out by AndyTheAbsurd
[02:47:51] <Bytram> enhance
[02:47:54] <Bytram> :P
[02:47:59] <Ethanol-fueled> > not using an extender
[02:48:03] <BadCoderFinger> Latin Vulgate is not a bad one, but most scholars agree that the New Jerusalem Bible is a pretty accurate translation.
[02:49:12] <AndyTheAbsurd> Bytram: "really old" by American standards - which means "more than 100 but less than 200 years old" - I don't remember dates off hand but I think one of them was presented to someone or other in the 1870s.
[02:49:14] <Ethanol-fueled> Andy looks like a pretty wholesome guy
[02:49:35] <Bytram> nice
[02:50:05] <SpallsHurgenson> ISPs: "if it uses computer processing it isn't telecommunications" so net neutrality doesn't apply http://arstechnica.com
[02:50:08] <exec> └─ 13ISPs: Net neutrality rules are illegal because Internet access uses computers | Ars Technica
[02:50:10] <SpallsHurgenson> hmmm... "tele" - Greek for "far". "communications", from Latin communicatus, "to inform". Telecom is "pass information from afar". Nope, doesn't sound anything like the Internet to me...
[02:50:28] <Bytram> How can you tell an American from a Brit? An American thinks 100 years is really old. A Brit thinks 100 miles is a long ways to drive.
[02:50:38] <Bytram> break; biab
[02:50:40] <Bytram> afk
[02:51:03] <Ethanol-fueled> well, shit "computer processing" is pretty much every device comprising the net. Switches, routers...
[02:51:06] <BadCoderFinger> Telecom: (v): To obstruct free flow of information, while routing information to unintended recipients.
[02:51:34] <SpallsHurgenson> I think the NSA is an intended recipient :)
[02:51:43] <SpallsHurgenson> at least as far as the ISPs are concerned :)
[02:52:14] <BadCoderFinger> There is that, but unintended as far as the paying customer is concerned.
[02:52:42] <SpallsHurgenson> so what you are saying is that the NSA needs to start slipping the ISPs some money?
[02:53:43] <BadCoderFinger> Why? A court order is cheap.
[02:54:38] <Ethanol-fueled> The next step is to compel corporations to give up the data voluntarily* *at gunpoint
[02:55:09] <SpallsHurgenson> but that would be illegal spying! our government would never do that. But if they pay, that's just good ol' capitalism! You don't hate capitalism, do you... Comrade?!?!?
[02:55:15] <SpallsHurgenson> https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com
[02:55:18] <exec> └─ 13What you sound like to a Sysadmin | Naked Security
[02:56:49] <BadCoderFinger> Heh, government data rental.
[02:56:54] <BadCoderFinger> Now that's capitalism!
[02:57:11] <BadCoderFinger> "We don't spy on Americans, we just rent their data!"
[02:57:31] <AndyTheAbsurd> SpallsHurgenson: that is a good link, I particularly like the part about Macs
[02:57:41] <Ethanol-fueled> If that passes I'm going to stop using their services.
[02:57:42] * AndyTheAbsurd has an irrational hatred of Apple products
[02:57:57] <SpallsHurgenson> the video - for all its an advert - is pretty funny too :)
[02:57:58] <AndyTheAbsurd> (but hey, at least I *admit* that it's irrational)
[02:58:31] <AndyTheAbsurd> the video is not available because NoScript.
[02:58:36] <BadCoderFinger> I'd take a Mac over windows any day, but they'll get my FreeBSD from my cold, dead hands, if they can get past my pitchfork.
[02:59:04] <AndyTheAbsurd> BadCoderFinger: you can give me a Windows box as long as I'm allowed to run a Linux VM on it.
[02:59:05] <SpallsHurgenson> Macs still haven't figured out how HOME and END are supposed to work :)
[02:59:33] <AndyTheAbsurd> (that's what I do currently at work - but mostly because I don't want to futz around getting Linux and Active Directory playing nice together.)
[03:00:05] <SpallsHurgenson> you seem to be implying Windows and AD play nice together :)
[03:01:51] <SpallsHurgenson> (ooh, sort of relevant to an earlier conversation: http://thehill.com )
[03:01:56] <exec> └─ 13CISA: the dirty deal between Google and the NSA that no one is talking about | TheHill
[03:03:53] <BadCoderFinger> The biggest thing I hate about Macs (and I admit this is nitpicky) is no focus-follows-mouse.
[03:04:55] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm soured on Macs less because of any supposed issues with the hardware and software and more from years of dealing with Mac users ;-)
[03:05:04] <AndyTheAbsurd> BadCoderFinger: The thing is, with Mac's "the menu is always at the top of the screen no matter where the window is" interface, focus-follows-mouse would be a nightmare...unless you had a very long lag time on it.
[03:05:24] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, I know the rationale. I tried it, I hate it.
[03:05:38] <AndyTheAbsurd> same
[03:05:46] <BadCoderFinger> And Spalls, you're right. Macs would be better without the Mac users.
[03:06:11] cmn|retardedmonkeys is now known as cmn32480
[03:06:31] <AndyTheAbsurd> They gave me a Mac when I first started at my current job; I figured I'd give a fair shot and used it for a week. After that I asked for a Windows machine because I was constantly infuriated by the Mac.
[03:07:14] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm reading Accidental Empires right now and the book basically says that Steve Jobs was a near-useless fuckup before he was forced out of Apple.
[03:07:16] <BadCoderFinger> I used one at work for a while. After installing homebrew and a ton of stuff, it was better, but still the interface didn't work for me.
[03:07:19] <SpallsHurgenson> I don't like using a Mac because I'm not used to its conventions... but its the users who made me into the Mac-hater I am :)
[03:09:15] <BadCoderFinger> Heh, I'll drink to that!
[03:09:17] <cmn32480> good eeeeeeevening
[03:09:27] <cmn32480> I'll drink to just about anythign tonight
[03:09:33] <SpallsHurgenson> eeep, its Bela Lugosi!
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[03:10:07] <Bela_Lugosi> hello SpallsHurgenson
[03:10:22] <SpallsHurgenson> eeep! it's cmn32480!
[03:10:27] <AndyTheAbsurd> Bela_Lugosi: Well I'm having vodka and Ethanol-fueled is usually ethanol-fueled, so I guess it's a soylentil drinking party.
[03:10:37] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm not drinking.
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[03:10:50] <cmn32480> you feeling ill Ethanol-Fueled?
[03:10:50] <Ethanol-fueled> I will drink in another week or so.
[03:11:03] <BadCoderFinger> Dude, we're way past lent.
[03:11:06] <cmn32480> liver said "Ouch!" again?
[03:11:09] <Ethanol-fueled> cmn, no, not at all. I'm feeling good but I had a bad experience with drinking a couple weeks ago.
[03:11:11] <AndyTheAbsurd> Ethanol-fueled: then what are you currently fueled by!?
[03:11:13] <SpallsHurgenson> http://www.techspot.com (I'm surprised at how well my CPU holds up)
[03:11:16] <exec> └─ 13Then and Now: Almost 10 Years of Intel CPUs Compared - TechSpot
[03:11:27] <Ethanol-fueled> andy, I smoke pot, which makes me goofy and not very angry.
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[03:11:33] <Ethanol-fueled> so I'm still an addict.
[03:11:44] <SpallsHurgenson> (except when it comes to power usage... where it sucks more juice than... erm... a really big juice-sucker!)
[03:11:48] <cmn32480> y'all can do what makes you happy
[03:12:03] <cmn32480> I'm finally home sweet home
[03:12:12] <Ethanol-fueled> cmn, the hangovers became withdrawals. I can deal with headaches, puking, diarrhea, mild depression.
[03:12:17] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: hi
[03:12:30] <SpallsHurgenson> didja bring that horny older woman you met a few days ago home with you? :)
[03:12:34] <Ethanol-fueled> But the hangovers became withdrawals, and the anxiety was terrifying.
[03:12:42] <Subsentient> Puking and diarrhea, sounds like good old Ethanol-fueled
[03:12:47] <cmn32480> nope
[03:13:09] <cmn32480> just don't drink PBR... become the Pabst Smears
[03:13:14] <Ethanol-fueled> No, this was different...it felt like something was crawling around inside my body. My pillow was drenched with sweat every night.
[03:13:24] <cmn32480> not good man
[03:13:25] <Ethanol-fueled> Always on the verge of total panic, pacing
[03:13:36] <cmn32480> that sounds a lot liek withdrawal
[03:13:54] <Ethanol-fueled> yeah, and it takes a serious booze habit to get withdrawals.
[03:14:06] <cmn32480> yes sir
[03:14:24] <cmn32480> take it easy EF. maybe stay off the sauce for more than a week or 2
[03:14:32] <cmn32480> let your body heal a little
[03:14:34] <Ethanol-fueled> cmn, that's what I'm doing.
[03:14:57] * Subsentient is fortunate not to have an addictive personality
[03:15:12] * Subsentient 's OCD medication keeps him from getting addicted to nicotine for some reason
[03:15:17] <Ethanol-fueled> like hell you don't subsentient, you're addicted to rodents.
[03:15:20] <cmn32480> subsentient - when you start getting witdrawal symptoms, it is not a mental addivtion
[03:15:35] <cmn32480> it is physical
[03:15:57] <Ethanol-fueled> cmn, I think it depends on the drug. You could smoke even one cigarette and feel withdrawals tomorrow.
[03:16:20] <Subsentient> Meh, some days I smoke like a chimney and other days I just 'forget' to smoke
[03:16:24] <cmn32480> sure, but it is a physical withdrawal
[03:16:50] <cmn32480> the body is craving that substance and that is the cause
[03:17:02] <Subsentient> but that's because I'm on the max dose of Prozac for OCD, which is documented to have anti-addictive effects.
[03:17:05] <Ethanol-fueled> What's really shitty about booze is that the withdrawals can kill. And if they do it's one of the most horrifying deaths imaginable.
[03:17:07] <cmn32480> like (lack of) caffine headaches
[03:17:10] <SpallsHurgenson> http://www.theguardian.com
[03:17:13] <exec> └─ 13Windows 10: Microsoft faces criticism over privacy | Technology | The Guardian
[03:17:23] <cmn32480> it is a physical addiction
[03:17:26] <cmn32480> the body needs it
[03:17:37] <cmn32480> some scary shit EF
[03:17:42] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, the neurotransmitters have already been adjusted by the body to compensate for it.
[03:18:38] <cmn32480> be careful, huh? I mean, you're something of a loose cannon, and an occassional dick.
[03:18:50] <cmn32480> but damnit, you are OUR loose cannon and occassional dick
[03:18:56] <cmn32480> and I thinik we'd miss you
[03:19:02] * Subsentient would miss Ethanol-fueled
[03:19:30] <Ethanol-fueled> Nah, I'm holding up decently and with no plans to bug out.
[03:20:19] <Ethanol-fueled> and still an asshole, regardless of booze intake.
[03:20:47] <Subsentient> nahh, you're just nuts, like everyone here.
[03:20:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How the Way You Type Can Shatter Anonymity—Even on Tor - http://sylnt.us - way-I-type-I'm-not-surprised
[03:21:05] <Ethanol-fueled> right, subsentient. Everybody is here because they are a weirdo.
[03:21:14] <Ethanol-fueled> Too smart for their own good.
[03:22:43] <SpallsHurgenson> bah, all these fancy vulnerabilities just bounce off of Lynx :)
[03:22:53] <SpallsHurgenson> so do most websites, but that's not the point :)
[03:23:05] <BadCoderFinger> I am a weirdo. I can admit it.
[03:24:26] <BadCoderFinger> I am wearing pants, though, so maybe not that much of a weirdo.
[03:24:42] <AndyTheAbsurd> pants are overrated
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[03:26:37] <cmn32480> -0 Disagree
[03:26:55] <cmn32480> I think pants are underrated
[03:27:04] <cmn32480> or maybe, they need ratings
[03:27:15] <cmn32480> how good are your pants on a cale of 1-10?
[03:27:26] <AndyTheAbsurd> -150
[03:27:27] <cmn32480> Walmart = 1
[03:27:32] <Ethanol-fueled> jammies are making a comeback and man, are those awesome pants.
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[03:27:40] <cmn32480> yes sir!
[03:27:46] <cmn32480> scrubs too
[03:27:56] <AndyTheAbsurd> I think I've had too much alcohol to write more code tonight
[03:28:08] <cmn32480> but every time I see a hot chick in scrubs, all I can think is naughty naughty nurses
[03:28:38] <Ethanol-fueled> It seems that a lot of women who work in that field were the ones who were stripping to pay their way through college.
[03:29:08] <cmn32480> possibly.. but why take the apy cut?
[03:29:24] <cmn32480> depending on how good/bad of ac lub ythey worked in
[03:29:26] <Ethanol-fueled> cmn, it wasn't a pay-cut before Obamacare OOOOH BURN!
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[03:29:40] <cmn32480> hehehe
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[03:30:18] <Subsentient> ok then
[03:30:20] <Subsentient> my network dropped on me
[03:30:32] -!- mode/#Soylent [+o aqu4] by Imogen
[03:31:02] <Subsentient> $burrito Ethanol-fueled
[03:31:02] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Ethanol-fueled
[03:31:18] <AndyTheAbsurd> $burrito Subsentient
[03:31:18] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Subsentient
[03:32:29] <Bytram> anyone know why Win7 won't let me create subdirs under 'Program files'?
[03:32:31] <Ethanol-fueled> Subsentient, did that burrito have mild or hot salsa in it?
[03:32:32] <Bytram> access denied.
[03:32:51] <Bytram> $burrito Win7
[03:32:52] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Win7
[03:32:59] <cmn32480> USer Error?
[03:33:02] <AndyTheAbsurd> Bytram: because you didn't open Windows Explorer as Administrator (I think).
[03:33:14] <cmn32480> ^^ he is likely correct
[03:33:20] <Bytram> I *am* an administrator, as far as I know!
[03:33:35] <Ethanol-fueled> but did you RUN it as administrator?
[03:33:36] <Bytram> I'm trying at a command window, too.
[03:33:44] <cmn32480> that is the reason
[03:33:52] <Bytram> how you do THAT?
[03:34:05] <cmn32480> with or without UAC you have to provide Administrative permission to allow that
[03:34:05] <Bytram> MKDIR worked in DOS, it should still work! :P
[03:34:16] <Bytram> go on
[03:34:17] <AndyTheAbsurd> create shortcut to explorer.exe, right-click shortcut, select "Run as administrator"
[03:34:23] <Ethanol-fueled> sudo mkdir /etc/program_files/<<filename>>
[03:34:25] <cmn32480> if you run the commadn prompt as the admin, it will allow youto do it (as the permission is implied)
[03:34:42] <cmn32480> if you are doing it via the GUI in Windows Explorer, it will pop up a box asing for permission
[03:35:48] <Bytram> k.
[03:36:17] <Bytram> just did a right-click on my cmd.exe menu choice, and then saw 'Run as administrator' -- that should help
[03:36:31] <Bytram> yup!
[03:36:33] <Bytram> !woop
[03:36:33] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[03:36:59] <AndyTheAbsurd> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[03:37:06] <cmn32480> everybody around here is a Stooge
[03:37:06] <Bytram> !uid
[03:37:06] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5779, owned by Unixnut
[03:37:15] <Ethanol-fueled> Now I gotta complaint. I re-installed my old friend ubuntu 10.10 today and the software sources were so fucked that nothing could be updated out of the box.
[03:37:31] <Subsentient> Ubuntu 10.10 is ancient.
[03:37:50] <Bytram> so what?
[03:38:16] <Bytram> I didn't mean to be so snide
[03:38:19] <Ethanol-fueled> So what, is it really that hard to have all the software sources still point to the same goddamn place, or at at least warn the user that, unlike that that dialog box says, their system is not "up to date?"
[03:38:37] <Bytram> but how hard would it be to maintain all the updates from day 1 through present? disk space is cheap, right?
[03:39:02] * Bytram can't believe he is actually agreeing with Ethanol-fueled
[03:39:17] <Ethanol-fueled> Bytram, what they did was an obviously dick move. They did it because they could, to deliberately make things difficlt, rather than because they had to.
[03:39:40] <Bytram> nodndo
[03:39:43] <Bytram> nod nod
[03:40:02] <Bytram> it's getting late and my typing skills are going downhill, time for me to hit the hay
[03:40:16] <Bytram> thanks for the admin pointers! I won't forget that lesson!
[03:40:17] <Ethanol-fueled> Yes, editing /etc/apt/sources.list fixed the problem.
[03:40:22] <Bytram> nice
[03:40:35] <cmn32480> night Bytram
[03:40:40] <Ethanol-fueled> later bro
[03:40:42] <Bytram> cmn32480: g'night!
[03:40:49] <Bytram> Ethanol-fueled: ciao for now
[03:40:54] <_NSAKEY> Ethanol-fueled: Mind if I ask why you wanted to run 10.10? When someone picks an old version of something like that, there's generally a specific reason.
[03:41:18] <Ethanol-fueled> it's a stupid reason, NSAKey. The reason is because it was the last version before Unity.
[03:41:38] <Bytram> that does not sound like a stupid reason to me.
[03:41:44] <Ethanol-fueled> My sister told me she wanted to take the linux plunge, and for all of Ubuntu's faults, I know it's at least gonna "just work" on her laptop.
[03:41:48] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: There are a ton of other distros out there now that don't suck. MATE has essentially nuked the GNOME 3/Unity problem
[03:42:04] <Bytram> ttfn
[03:42:05] <_NSAKEY> Ethanol-fueled: Do you have a religious hatred of KDE?
[03:42:08] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, yeah, I know.
[03:42:26] * Subsentient is fond of XFCE
[03:43:07] <Ethanol-fueled> _nsakey, I don't prefer it, but I was doing a dry run so I could get my sister up and running. She's not an idiot, but she'd be very put-off by too much terminal bullshit, so I want to start her off with something easy I know is going to work.
[03:43:23] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: I strongly recommend Mint
[03:43:26] <Subsentient> for that purpose
[03:43:28] <Subsentient> Mint with MATE
[03:43:43] <_NSAKEY> Mint is leading on distrowatch by a long shot.
[03:44:00] <Subsentient> Mint is my go-to for the Linux incompetent.
[03:44:10] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, I tried mint. Then my MBR got somehow fucked up in my dual-boot config and it took a lot of effort for me to get that fixed. Both of us need Windows-specific bullshit for our school.
[03:44:13] <_NSAKEY> I bailed on Kubuntu because I saw that Canonical was going to replace a bunch of things, and went to Debian when Squeeze came out.
[03:44:30] <Ethanol-fueled> And both of us don't want to spend time dicking with VMS to run it within Windows.
[03:44:36] <_NSAKEY> I knew they would probably leave KDE alone, because it's always been an afterthought to them.
[03:44:37] <Subsentient> It's a shame I'm not there; I can fix pretty much any partitioning/bootloader related issue.
[03:45:02] <_NSAKEY> But I just didn't trust all the reinvention of the wheel.
[03:45:07] <Subsentient> I'm one of those badasses who installs windows AFTER Linux is already installed
[03:45:21] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, yeah subsentient.
[03:45:23] <_NSAKEY> Now Debian's gone collectively insane, so I'm right back to where I was 5 years ago.
[03:46:08] <Subsentient> _NSAKEY: Fortunately for you, I'm working on a package manager for a new distro that will use Epoch as the init system and be targeted at developers and Linux enthusiasts
[03:46:13] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm just going to recommend that my sister install the latest version of ubuntu and then use the gnome-session-unfuck or whatever its called.
[03:46:35] <Subsentient> _NSAKEY: Until then, you are welcome to my 'private' version of that distro, SubLinux 2.
[03:47:40] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: Ubuntu comes in MATE
[03:49:21] <Ethanol-fueled> That's good to know.
[03:49:55] <_NSAKEY> Subsentient: Thanks, but I've been looking into the BSDs lately.
[03:50:24] <_NSAKEY> My servers that I care about are running FreeBSD now, and I've got a virtual machine that's mostly set up as I'd set my desktop up.
[03:50:30] <Subsentient> _NSAKEY: Understandable. There's just a lot about the Linux kernel I like.
[03:50:45] <_NSAKEY> It gets periodically update, because I'm trying to see if there's any breakage.
[03:51:15] <_NSAKEY> At some point I'm going to buy another hard drive, and I'll probably take that time to move to FreeBSD on the desktop.
[03:51:40] <_NSAKEY> There are still some things to figure out though, like GPU support and whether I'll be able to run cudaHashcat using the linux emulation layer.
[03:52:08] <_NSAKEY> If not, I guess I can get a separate box just for that stuff, since I'm a beta tester and that's something I enjoy testing for bugs.
[03:52:39] <Subsentient> welp I hope Poettering is happy.
[03:52:44] <Subsentient> He's driving people to BSD XD
[03:53:02] <_NSAKEY> Yeah, that guy is a total shit lord, but systemd didn't actually cause me problems when I tested Jessie.
[03:53:32] <_NSAKEY> There was a bug with knotify where it would freak out and crash, and another where no video players worked except for mplayer.
[03:53:47] <_NSAKEY> Ironically, PulseAudio worked for me 100% out of the box for the first time ever.
[03:53:55] <Deucalion> Ethanol-fueled, Mint 17.2 MATE or Cinnamon as pleases the sister in question. Couple of systemd shim pieces in there but it didn't go full retard yet. Mint decided to sit on the last LTS from Ubuntu rather than march on.
[03:54:07] <_NSAKEY> It's never worked on any boxes I own, and I've been using Linux since 2007.
[03:55:02] <_NSAKEY> But finally, they made it mature enough to be worth using, and now I've got to potentially deal with another half-baked bit of code from Poettering? It didn't cause me problems in testing, but no thanks.
[03:55:59] <Deucalion> .devoice
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[03:56:06] * AndyTheAbsurd is using Mint Cinnamon edition - it pretty much installs and gets out of your way so you can actually DO STUFF with your computer. Plust Debian/Ubuntu based so anything you can do with those, you can (probably) do with Mint.
[03:56:23] * Deucalion goes undercover from the unobservant
[03:57:59] <Subsentient> I like Fedora as my goto pre-fab
[03:58:24] <Subsentient> It's rather vanilla, has good polish, big repos, and I can gut systemd and put Epoch in it.
[03:58:33] <AndyTheAbsurd> I probably need to move to CentOS in the near future
[03:58:37] <Ethanol-fueled> Sub, I probably asked you this before while drunk and don't remember the answer...but why do you prefer Fedora?
[03:58:38] <AndyTheAbsurd> so that I can build Pale Moon
[03:58:51] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: Because it
[03:58:57] <Subsentient> stays rather vanilla
[03:59:01] <Subsentient> doesn't need much
[03:59:02] <Subsentient> no bloat
[03:59:06] <Deucalion> AndyTheAbsurd, I found Cinnamon a bit rough around the edges the last time I tried it. Running Mint 17.2 in VM it seems the rough edges have been knocked off. I'm inclined to move from MATE to Cinnamon I think.
[03:59:07] <Subsentient> doesn't tweak packages too much
[03:59:14] <Subsentient> and I like rpm/dnf
[03:59:19] <Ethanol-fueled> doesn't the RPM suck compared to DEB?
[03:59:19] <Subsentient> dnf is the successor to yum
[03:59:29] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: They are infinitely harder to build, yes.
[04:00:09] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: But in general with a little setup Fedora can be a good desktop distro. My servers run Fedora too
[04:03:53] <_NSAKEY> Subsentient: I never messed with RPM-based distros much, but always thought yum was great when I did.
[04:03:56] <_NSAKEY> Why are they replacing it?
[04:04:11] <Landon> meh, rpm is the Makefiles of package management
[04:04:17] <Subsentient> _NSAKEY: dnf is just an improved half-rewritten yum. My experiences with dnf have been quite positive
[04:04:19] <Landon> I haven't been impressed when I've had to make packages at work
[04:04:39] * Landon not sure .deb is much better
[04:04:49] <Landon> but ... all build systems suck too, so it'd be an even better analogy :)
[04:04:59] <_NSAKEY> Landon: Never rolled my own RPMs, but .debs can be tricky.
[04:05:00] * Subsentient tends to use straight up makefiles, no autohell
[04:05:33] <_NSAKEY> As long as you're getting the source for a .deb via apt, then customizing that with build flags or by recompiling with hardening-wrapper, it isn't too bad.
[04:06:02] <Landon> ah, so apt-get source?
[04:06:09] <_NSAKEY> Yeah.
[04:06:12] <Landon> Subsentient: have you heard of our lord and savior cmake?
[04:06:29] <_NSAKEY> You get everything you need to make your own .debs for that package.
[04:06:30] <Landon> works wonders if you ever want to have *god forbid* subfolders
[04:06:35] <Subsentient> Landon: it seems to be a turd to get the equivalent of DESTDIR, so not too fond of it
[04:06:39] <_NSAKEY> Well, you still need the build dependencies, which you can get with another command.
[04:06:45] <Landon> _NSAKEY: ah I always wondered what the extra files were
[04:07:01] <Landon> Subsentient: you just need to embrace it :P
[04:07:02] <_NSAKEY> From there following the hardening-wrapper documentation isn't too terrible.
[04:07:07] <Landon> and stop using the old ways
[04:07:34] <_NSAKEY> I've never tried actually updating to a new version of a piece of software by taking the source and shoe-horning it into The Debian Way.
[04:07:35] <Landon> I'm quite proud of how it worked out for my shirokuma project
[04:07:39] <Landon> https://github.com
[04:07:39] * Subsentient has been noticing that there's more cmake lately, and has been upset because this makes make install DESTDIR=/somefolder much harder
[04:07:45] <exec> └─ 13lfowles/shirokuma · GitHub
[04:08:05] <_NSAKEY> The BSDs with their ports collections seem to be making things like building my own debs semi-obsolete.
[04:08:24] <Landon> Subsentient: weird!
[04:08:25] <Landon> Does CMake's "make install" support DESTDIR?
[04:08:25] <Landon> Yes,
[04:08:29] <_NSAKEY> If I don't like the defaults for the binary supplied via pkgng, there's ports.
[04:08:30] <Landon> http://www.vtk.org
[04:08:32] <Subsentient> Landon: I don't think it does
[04:08:34] <exec> └─ 13CMake FAQ - KitwarePublic
[04:08:53] <Landon> have you encountered this often? might have been someone trying to do something very non-cmake
[04:09:36] <Subsentient> Landon: I've ran into a couple projects that didn't support it, yeah
[04:09:56] <Subsentient> but personally, I'm more comfy with autotools
[04:10:04] * Subsentient still uses straight makefile for himself though
[04:10:07] <Landon> yech :P
[04:10:32] <Landon> and you keep all of your source in the top level (like mutt, etc) right? ;)
[04:10:56] <Landon> the biggest driver for cmake for me was including subdirectories wasn't as awkward as in Make
[04:11:20] <Landon> Subsentient: wait, have you seen shirokuma?
[04:11:27] <Landon> it's an ncurses project
[04:11:30] <Subsentient> Landon: no
[04:11:31] <Landon> not sure if I showed it off to you forever ago
[04:11:39] <Subsentient> I *do* like ncurses
[04:11:43] <Landon> using the fancy dancy ECS architecture
[04:11:59] <Landon> I liked how it was shaping up, but kind of ran out of steam
[04:14:43] <Subsentient> Landon: I have subdirectories in my projects.
[04:15:08] <Subsentient> https://github.com
[04:15:12] <exec> └─ 13Subsentient/aqu4bot · GitHub
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[04:19:11] <Landon> the other nice part is that yo ucan have an ecosystem of cmake projects
[04:19:33] <Landon> I forget exactly how it works out, but they provide cmake scripts that you import to get details as-installed-on-system
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[04:21:06] <Landon> https://github.com f'rexample
[04:21:12] <exec> └─ 13CMake/Modules at master · Kitware/CMake · GitHub
[04:22:01] <Subsentient> Landon: Did I ever show you my ncurses breakout clone? http://universe2.us
[04:22:06] <exec> └─ 13Bricktick: Arkanoid/Brickbreaker for the UNIX console
[04:22:46] <Landon> yep
[04:24:10] * Landon spouts more blasphemy
[04:24:16] <Landon> windows 10 is a solid upgrade from win7/win8
[04:24:17] * Subsentient still likes his little breakout game
[04:24:27] <Subsentient> Landon: Yeah I've decided I like Win10.
[04:24:38] <Landon> I'm a little miffed about cortana
[04:24:48] <Landon> have to completely convert my account to an online account to use it, bleh
[04:24:50] <Subsentient> haven't seen the final builds, but I did get to play with the previews extensively
[04:25:09] <Subsentient> Landon: What do you run at home?
[04:25:53] <Landon> touchscreen laptop: win10, desktop: ubuntu/win(10 soon), wife's laptop: os x with win 10 vm
[04:25:54] * cmn32480 adds building a Win10 VM to his ever growing list
[04:26:03] <Landon> windows actually gets the most use
[04:26:09] <Landon> I don't do a lot of dev at home, mostly steam games
[04:26:14] * Landon needs to fix that
[04:26:33] <Landon> speaking of things keeping me too busy
[04:30:21] <cmn32480> my boss told me today, while I was driving to the airport, that I shoudl take the weekend off for doing a great job
[04:31:03] <cmn32480> then he told me to think up how we were gonna smooth thigns over wiht my wife for the extra time gone this week
[04:31:12] <cmn32480> I suggested a 20% raise
[04:35:02] <Landon> https://www.youtube.com pup vidya
[04:35:05] <exec> └─ 13Kepler and Rope - YouTube
[04:35:38] <takyon> hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha
[04:51:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Dashcam Catches Off-Duty Cop Threatening to Put 'Hole in Head' of Driver - http://sylnt.us - stepping-on-toes?
[05:03:12] <takyon> http://www.marketplace.org
[05:03:17] <exec> └─ 13A giant robot that shoots ... T-shirts? | Marketplace.org
[05:05:52] <takyon> http://www.npr.org
[05:05:55] <exec> └─ 13Mark Zuckerberg's Facebook Post: Expecting A Baby : NPR
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[05:42:42] <Subsentient> So this is one of my albums :^D http://imgur.com
[05:42:44] <exec> └─ 13Fun with a skype sex-bot - Album on Imgur
[05:52:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Philae Lander Finds Complex Organic Molecules Like Acetone on Comet - http://sylnt.us - nothing-ruled-in,-nothing-ruled-out
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[07:23:26] <Subsentient> Just tried the final build of Windows 10 on this laptop on a little 40gb partition. Damn, Microsoft did a HELL of a good job! I'd say Win10 is the new 7.
[07:23:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Should Androids Have the Right to Have Children? - http://sylnt.us - who-is-the-father?-test-the-oil
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[08:55:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Japanese Firm to Mature Whisky in Space - http://sylnt.us - for-relaxing-times-in-spaaaaace
[09:02:51] <SirFinkus> anyone want to proofread my hanford journal?
[09:04:20] <SirFinkus> it reads a lot like a simple wikipedia article
[09:55:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Balls and Strikes Were Called by a Computer, Not an Umpire, at a Professional Baseball Game - http://sylnt.us - strike-three-for-humanity
[10:56:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Report: New Apple TV and SDK Due in September, Maybe for Real This Time - http://sylnt.us - leaving-the-apple-core
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[12:19:00] <crutchy_> git++
[12:19:00] <Bender> karma - git: 2
[12:19:38] <crutchy_> git++ # how the fuck did i manage without it before?
[12:19:38] <Bender> karma - git: 3
[12:21:14] <crutchy_> git++ # it's like a warm security blanket that saves you from if you make stupid changes and want the old version back but the files have been overriden
[12:21:14] <Bender> karma - git: 4
[12:22:54] <crutchy_> like i just did before
[12:23:03] <crutchy_> except i hadn't made a git repo
[12:23:38] <crutchy_> so i got the code back to where i wanted from vague memory and fucking around, and then i made a git repo :p
[12:27:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Wikileaks Releases "Target Tokyo": NSA's Japanese Espionage Targets - http://sylnt.us - five-eyes-white-dragon
[13:28:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Shadow of Mordor Comes to Linux (and Mac) - http://sylnt.us - shadow-lifted
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[14:25:42] <cmn32480> anybody know how to make SQLExpress dump a table to a text file automatically?
[14:29:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Root Radar: How Parasitic Plants Know When to Attack - http://sylnt.us - rooting-for-the-good-guys
[15:30:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - ISPs Say Net Neutrality Rules are Illegal Because the Internet Uses Computers - http://sylnt.us - squirming-a-bit
[16:30:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Researchers Announce Another "5G Breakthrough" - http://sylnt.us - well,-they-would-say-that,-wouldn't-they?
[17:31:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Bitcoin Exchange CEO Mark Karpeles Arrested In Japan - http://sylnt.us - just-a-few-questions-sir
[17:33:27] <Landon> crutchy_: have you seen etckeeper?
[17:33:38] <Landon> git (well..... vcs) backed /etc
[17:33:52] <Landon> Subsentient: ++ my thoughts exactly
[17:34:30] <Landon> cmn32480: eh, sounds like that would be easier to do from the command line
[17:54:03] <chromas> 5G? Still waiting on 4g
[17:54:16] <chromas> From the moving-the-goalposts dept
[17:55:01] * chromas gives tama Bieber 6g fever
[18:08:18] <takyon> 3G twisted pair
[18:08:21] <takyon> we rotate the signals
[18:26:03] <cmn32480> Landon - agreed
[18:26:31] <cmn32480> but when I run the sqlcmd statement, I get a -S is an unknown parameter or somethign similar
[18:27:12] <cmn32480> Sqlcmd: '-S': Unknown Option. Enter '-?' for help.
[18:32:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - BMW’s EnLighten App Wants to Take Away Your Red Light Blues - http://sylnt.us - someone's-got-to-stop
[18:34:49] <Landon> takyon: not sure if joking or talking about circular polarization
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[19:12:24] <arti> moving goal posts is great for higher difficulty
[19:12:41] <arti> makes rugby and football more interesting
[19:12:47] <arti> :D
[19:14:31] <arti> slept about 10 hours, feels good
[19:24:02] <arti> http://www.dailymail.co.uk
[19:24:05] <exec> └─ 13Las Vegas showgirl Sian Lesley reveals her secrets to looking young | Daily Mail Online
[19:57:20] <takyon> "not sure" is how I like my readers
[20:03:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Research Scientists to Use Network Much Faster Than Internet - http://sylnt.us - now-that-is-fast
[21:04:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Drugs, Milk and Cars Stopped the TTP (For Now) - http://sylnt.us - eats-shoots-and-leaves
[21:22:21] <Landon> wtf there's some sort of conspiracy to get me to install adblockers
[21:22:31] <Landon> I've been getting autoplay audio ads _ALL DAY_
[22:24:40] <arti> lol
[22:24:47] <arti> you want autoplay game?
[22:33:23] <takyon> s
[22:33:43] <arti> u
[22:33:44] <arti> p
[22:35:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - PPUK Celebrates 6th Birthday - http://sylnt.us - what-have-you-accomplished
[22:43:35] <takyon> changed that title
[22:43:46] <takyon> "PPUK" = WTF
[22:54:28] <chromas> google_maps--
[22:54:28] <Bender> karma - google_maps: -1
[22:54:44] <arti> did you go into a hole again?
[22:55:20] <chromas> I'm near a highway so it wants to include that in every route
[23:00:13] <arti> autohelp++
[23:00:13] <Bender> karma - autohelp: 1
[23:05:00] <crutchy_> isn't there usually some sort of "i don't want to pay tolls" option in most navigation softwares?
[23:05:16] <crutchy_> (that usually avoids tollways)
[23:05:17] <arti> pfft, doubt it
[23:05:21] <arti> they make moolah
[23:05:28] <arti> "errthang uses the toll!"
[23:05:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Pirate Party UK Celebrates 6th Birthday - http://sylnt.us - what-have-you-accomplished
[23:05:56] <arti> crutchy, so wtf was up with your git experience?
[23:07:24] <crutchy_> i started working on a little 2D FEA program in delphi, and i had the viewport controls all working, and then i went and did something to fuck it up (something to do with a snap to grid option)
[23:07:54] <crutchy_> didn't have it in a git repo yet so i had to try to remember how it was before i phucked it
[23:10:34] <crutchy_> i use git (gitlab/github/sourcetree) now a lot for looking back on past commits before i started working on a change
[23:11:54] <crutchy_> i think in the past i may have (for some projects at least) made entire copies of code folders (with incremented build numbers) when i got to a point that i didn't want to lose
[23:12:08] <crutchy_> git++ # much much easier
[23:12:08] <Bender> karma - git: 5
[23:16:21] <arti> do you use tags?
[23:16:35] <arti> we've all been through the folder copying phase
[23:16:48] <arti> good riddance
[23:17:13] <arti> just like you'd use the version numbers, the tags work for that
[23:18:04] <arti> doing gitflow now for projects, sourcetree makes that a snap
[23:18:33] <crutchy_> i think i have used tags once. at work with sourcetree/gitflow
[23:19:16] <arti> branches for your features, tags for your versions
[23:19:42] <crutchy_> i'm still a bit lazy with branching. i got a feature branch for the eng app at work, but mostly i just use master
[23:19:59] <arti> where it'll make sense is let's say you're working on some new stuff
[23:20:11] <arti> "hey dude, we've got a bug with the build!"
[23:20:39] <arti> now what
[23:20:54] <crutchy_> hah yeah i went through that phase a couple of years ago. pre git. fucking stressful
[23:21:14] <crutchy_> best thing i did was move that whole project to git/gitlab
[23:21:17] <arti> it'll save your ass once you have different versions deployed for clients and mixing in hotfixes
[23:23:33] <crutchy_> i've sort of got an additional build management system left over from the pre-git days that automagically increments the build number whenever there's a change to the dev snapshot (not git-related), so if i need to isolate the exact code that was used to generate a printout i can go to a backup folder thing that gets created whenever i do a test/backup/publish. that was how i sort of tried to manage it before i got into git
[23:24:10] <crutchy_> it's kinda handy having features of both systems actually
[23:24:23] <crutchy_> regression testing is all automated
[23:24:32] <crutchy_> (well, some regression testing)
[23:24:40] <arti> aaah i see
[23:25:45] <crutchy_> that sort of stuff gets complicated though. i been working on a change recently that i was able to incorporate into the main app fairly easily, but there's a fair bit of work to incorporate it into the testing and build systems
[23:27:03] <crutchy_> some day i'll probably just strip all that shit out
[23:29:49] <crutchy_> there's another dev at work that started as a drafting trainee this year. i think i frustrate the shit out of him cos i'm prolly so ass backwards in how i do things, and i'm all anti-framework n stuff
[23:30:36] <crutchy_> though cos i'm just a hobby coder i like reinventing wheels. i can understand that would never fly if i had to put bread on the table from it
[23:31:03] <Landon> crutchy_: yes :P my garmin and google maps have "avoid tollway"
[23:32:58] <arti> we're just now implementing build numbers with our project
[23:33:06] <arti> it's still very fluid
[23:33:19] <arti> presently all the builds are based off of the commit hash
[23:33:37] <arti> that'll be changing this next week
[23:33:57] <arti> environmental variables are the way to go for configuration too
[23:34:01] <arti> screw property files
[23:36:33] * Landon kicks arti
[23:36:55] <Landon> been using software at work that does env variables for config instead of actual config files or compile time variables
[23:36:58] <Landon> the. worst.
[23:37:36] <Landon> environment variables should tell you about the environment, not dictate how a single piece of software runs >.<
[23:38:01] <arti> well technically they're system properties
[23:38:21] <arti> and if you're modifing application files per system, you're doing it wrong
[23:38:45] <Landon> blame nvidia :)
[23:38:51] <arti> ?
[23:39:03] <Landon> that's all, just blame nvidia
[23:39:20] <Landon> crutchy_: props for owning up to being a hobby coder though :P
[23:39:30] <arti> our setup has multiple machines, local, dev, qa, and production instances
[23:39:42] <Landon> I love experimenting with rube goldberg schemes and reimplementations that would never fly at the office
[23:39:51] <arti> your solution would involve storing credentials in source control (that's a big nono)
[23:40:22] <Landon> arti: no, I would store them in a secure repository to be distributed separately
[23:40:23] <arti> having those stored in the instance they run on is much easier on the deployment
[23:40:43] <arti> more parts?
[23:40:53] <arti> how is having more parts simpler
[23:41:19] <arti> so your application right now has multiple repositories? how do your deployments work?
[23:41:20] <Landon> storing them in source control would just about be the simplest, now wouldn't it? ;)
[23:41:45] <Landon> repository is a poor word, there's no reason for credentials (that I use) to be versioned
[23:41:54] <arti> our deployments are an export -> war, poke into the vm and reboot.
[23:42:48] <Landon> although, environment variables .. files, tomato tomato
[23:43:15] <arti> except with your project you've got configuration files for all environments chillin right?
[23:43:19] <Landon> although I didn't specifically have credentials in mind when I complain about using environment variables for config
[23:44:00] <Landon> for example, quick google pulls up starpu
[23:44:02] <Landon> http://starpu.gforge.inria.fr
[23:44:06] <exec> └─ 13StarPU Handbook: Execution Configuration Through Environment Variables
[23:44:36] <Landon> most of those seem like they should be compile time or config file than STARPU_* environment variables
[23:44:41] <arti> i could see that being madness
[23:44:52] <Landon> on a tangent
[23:45:05] <Landon> I was reading about ... pinterest? some silly web company that does store credentials in repos
[23:45:14] <Landon> they found a way to make it work, wish I remembered enough to google for it
[23:45:50] * arti shrugs
[23:46:26] <arti> trade offs
[23:46:32] <Landon> right
[23:46:55] <Landon> unfortunately, most of them are already institutionalized and you don't get to choose for yourself! :)
[23:47:13] <arti> we approach these per project
[23:47:20] <arti> thankfully
[23:47:29] <Landon> who was talking gitlab?
[23:47:34] <arti> crutchy?
[23:47:44] <Landon> crutchy_: do you use gitlab on a VPS or gitlab.com or...?
[23:48:04] <Landon> my github sub is coming to an end (free year yay) and I don't really want to pay for the piddly amount of private repos :\
[23:48:10] <arti> oh dude
[23:48:13] <arti> use sourcetree
[23:48:15] <arti> er
[23:48:16] <arti> bitbucket
[23:48:20] <Landon> hah
[23:48:22] <Landon> nice slip
[23:48:39] <arti> same company, i'm jumping between stuff
[23:48:41] <Landon> I dunno, interface doesn't click with me
[23:48:42] <arti> context_switching--
[23:48:42] <Bender> karma - context_switching: -1
[23:48:53] <arti> free private repos
[23:48:59] <arti> who uses the web interface?
[23:49:10] <Landon> issues?
[23:49:24] <Landon> someone needs to just standardize issues-in-git
[23:49:44] <arti> plunk down your puny mortal currency for the convenience granted to you by your betters
[23:49:51] <Landon> :)
[23:50:16] <arti> github has some nice stuff but i agree with ya
[23:50:28] <Landon> nothing that _needs_ to be private on github
[23:50:29] <arti> i don't love the bitbucket interface either, but i don't do much work through it
[23:50:33] <Landon> I just like keeping my ideas confidential for a while
[23:50:36] * arti nods
[23:50:37] <Landon> while I prove something out
[23:50:56] * arti keeps 99% of his stuff private
[23:50:58] <Landon> well I already have a git server running, so the only thing I'm looking at is the value adds
[23:51:02] <arti> it's basically code backup
[23:51:10] <Landon> yeah
[23:51:19] <arti> i absolutely hate losing stuff
[23:51:27] <Landon> oh, I was thinking about doing a 30 days of code this month, see if I can get a small script/project out every day
[23:51:31] <Landon> would be a fun repo :)
[23:51:39] <arti> do a language a week?
[23:51:42] * arti is fiddling with go
[23:51:44] <Landon> probably all in python
[23:51:49] <Landon> I'm not a quick learner
[23:51:56] <arti> remaking ciri
[23:52:02] <Landon> and I'm already up to speed with pycharm/py3
[23:52:19] <arti> oh neat, i'm just doing it for kicks
[23:52:43] <Landon> it's all for kicks, because I'm sure office legal would have some words for me if I went further :)
[23:52:43] <arti> speaking of which, limetext is coming along
[23:52:56] <arti> :|
[23:53:00] <arti> flaming sword of wrath
[23:53:00] <Landon> I've always been tossing back and forth the idea of some sort of next gen irc lib
[23:53:19] <arti> i'd like to make a server with some protocol enhancements
[23:53:29] <Landon> have you seen the ircv3 specs?
[23:53:35] <arti> nah
[23:53:42] <Landon> arti: right, moonlighting is 100% legal in this state, but I'm sure there would still be Repercussions.
[23:53:53] <arti> depends what your contract says
[23:53:55] <Landon> such as wasting my time making me document that it was done off-company-time
[23:54:21] <Landon> nah, state law strikes blanket IP assignment null and void outside of certain restrctions
[23:54:33] <Landon> about the only forward thinking thing Kansas has done
[23:55:04] <Landon> I never understood the appeal of sublime text
[23:55:18] <Landon> for me, it's either vim which boots instantly or run an IDE
[23:55:21] <arti> granted i don't use it that heavily
[23:55:35] <arti> i've been absorbed into ideaj and variants
[23:55:42] <Landon> intellij? ;)
[23:55:51] <Landon> yeah, I'm lovin on jetbrains
[23:55:52] <Landon> CLion is amazing
[23:56:00] <arti> intellij idea yea
[23:56:03] <arti> shits magic
[23:56:09] <Landon> well, it will be amazing. it's not quite up to feature parity with eclipse, etc yet, but it's still young
[23:56:19] <arti> i have faith
[23:56:22] <Landon> and native cmake gives me that much more on devs at the office! hah!
[23:56:32] <Landon> I only wish I knew java so I could write a quick VCS plugin
[23:56:37] <Landon> jazz_scm--
[23:56:37] <Bender> karma - jazz_scm: -1
[23:56:44] * arti likes tapping shift twice to bring up recently opened files
[23:56:53] <Landon> command discovery is nice too
[23:56:55] <arti> never going back to the filthy tree nav
[23:56:56] <Landon> I forget the shortcut for that
[23:57:08] <arti> there's a plugin to tell you what shortcuts to use based on your non shortcut use
[23:57:16] <Landon> as tips?
[23:57:17] <Landon> that's neat
[23:57:18] <arti> yeah
[23:57:34] <Landon> ctrl-shift-A maybe
[23:57:39] <Landon> brings up a spotlight type thing
[23:58:07] <arti> i haven't made much use of the code merge tools, so i can't speak for them
[23:58:09] <Landon> arti: do you have a github repo?
[23:58:15] <Landon> er, account
[23:58:17] <arti> i do
[23:58:28] <Landon> if I show you mine, will you show me yours?
[23:58:30] <arti> it's a token account, i don't share much
[23:58:32] <Landon> *leers*
[23:58:40] * arti performs the secret coder handshake
[23:58:47] <Landon> https://github.com
[23:58:51] <exec> └─ 13lfowles (Landon Fowles) · GitHub
[23:59:16] <arti> https://github.com
[23:59:17] <Landon> the visibility of github is nice too, I've had a couple of recruiters hit that email
[23:59:20] <exec> └─ 13antiartificial · GitHub
[23:59:21] <arti> i'll poke some stuff into it
[23:59:45] * cmn32480 peeks over arti's shoulder
[23:59:46] <Landon> heh, contribution graph
[23:59:52] <Landon> october: heavily dissatisfied with bullshit at work