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[22:35:33] <Bender> karma - skyrim: 1
[22:35:33] <arti> skyrim++
[22:35:11] <arti> Låtefossen Waterfall is a pretty place
[22:16:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Robotics and the Law: When Software Can Harm You - http://sylnt.us - me-and-my-mechanical-buddy
[22:14:54] <arti> rofl
[22:14:05] <Leebert> anything. Stupid latency
[22:13:45] <Leebert> note to self: if anyone asks me anythough about "jo on rails", remember that it's not a newfangled programming language
[22:12:34] <arti> mmm crabmeat
[22:12:21] <Leebert> Oh, you found my ad?
[22:09:40] <arti> http://s-ak.buzzfed.com <- this kind of train nerd?
[22:06:54] <Leebert> I recall that there was at least one train nerd in this channel... If I recall correctly, I thought said train nerd might find it interesting that I'm about 15 minutes away from going through Horseshoe Curve in Altoona, PA.
[22:04:02] <SirFinkus> lo
[21:55:03] <arti> greetings finkus
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[21:42:35] <chromas> also making brownies
[21:42:29] <chromas> Trying to install the proprietary amd driver now; it's being a butt
[21:42:17] <chromas> yeah
[21:30:34] <arti> epic time suck yesterday
[21:30:22] <arti> what up man!
[21:30:17] <Bender> karma - hummers: 2
[21:30:17] <chromas> hummers++ # The good kind; not the douche kind
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[21:26:08] <arti> hummus++
[21:15:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Low Cost Weather Satellite Image Receiver - http://sylnt.us - it's-going-to-rain-or-go-dark-before-tomorrow
[20:44:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Something Different - Space Photos of the Week from Wired - http://sylnt.us - star-gazing
[19:44:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Geometry of String Theory Compactifications (I): the Basics - http://sylnt.us - BASIC:-But-Any-String-Is-Complicated!
[19:33:04] <exec> 03Bel Air, MD, USA - currently 88°F / 31°C, partly cloudy, wind SE at 13 mph, humidity 56% - Sunday partly cloudy (69°F-85°F / 21°C-29°C), Monday scattered thunderstorms (68°F-84°F / 20°C-29°C), Tuesday mostly sunny (69°F-89°F / 21°C-32°C), Wednesday mostly sunny (72°F-92°F / 22°C-33°C)
[19:33:02] <cmn32480> ~weather Bel Air, MD
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[17:42:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Deep-Sea Mining Looms on Horizon as UN Body Issues Contracts - http://sylnt.us - deep-dive
[15:41:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - HardenedBSD Completes Strong ASLR Implementation - http://sylnt.us - hard-mode-os
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[15:24:02] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1529
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[10:38:16] <Subsentient> I guess that's the AMD APU
[10:37:56] <Subsentient> I can leave it on the bed for an hour running and it stays cool
[10:37:44] <Subsentient> man this new laptop is awesome.
[10:37:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - MSNBC Cans the Only Cable TV Host Who Extensively Covered TPP - http://sylnt.us - information-desert-that-is-mainstream-media
[09:36:33] <chromas> SoyCraft Confirms It
[08:35:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Kuro5hin is Dying - http://sylnt.us - RIP
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[08:16:49] <crutchy_> (has happened in the past)
[08:16:28] <crutchy_> since it is attributed to the submitter
[08:15:41] <crutchy_> there wasn't an original submission for the gnu story, but editors also need to ensure they don't ad lib subjective material to a submission
[08:13:43] <crutchy_> "Phoenix666, thanks for taking the time to be an editor, but please stop with these comments you are adding to the summaries you post. It is annoying, and worse, it is damaging to the discussion which follows."
[08:04:38] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1528
[08:04:38] <crutchy_> coffee++
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[06:34:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Windbot Could Float Through the Clouds of Jupiter - http://sylnt.us
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[06:14:53] <Landon> if it's not on iflscience it's not worth a scientists research!
[06:14:42] <Landon> .... loving the clickbaity headlines, not the dry journals of course
[06:14:32] <Landon> it's all about claiming to love science
[06:14:27] <Landon> crutchy__: heh, who even cares about claiming to be a scientist now
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[05:31:06] <arti> i missed the fun too
[05:17:17] <crutchy__> if it were a requirement that a scientist be qualified and registered like engineers, doctors, accountants, etc then it might be different, but it seems anyone can claim to be a scientist, which ruins any reputation it may have had in the past
[05:15:38] <crutchy__> people who perform experiments using the scientific method are different
[05:15:14] <crutchy__> 'science' being some arbitrary god that people use to try to justify whatever bullshit they're spewing
[05:14:38] <crutchy__> noting that science and the scientific method are different
[05:14:17] <crutchy__> my view of islam is no different to my view of all religions, including science
[05:13:47] <crutchy__> bugger. i missed it
[05:02:46] <aqu4> I'll tell them in a PM next time I see 'em.
[05:02:46] <Subsentient> $tell juggs your view on Islam is beautiful, enlightened, and incorrect.
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[04:23:26] <crutchy__> hmm. silly phone :/
[04:23:16] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1527
[04:23:16] <crutchy__> coffee++
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[03:15:59] <Bender> karma - caffeine: 72
[03:15:59] <BadCoderFinger> caffeine++
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[03:08:11] <crutchy_> coffee++
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[03:05:08] <BadCoderFinger> Later juggs!
[03:04:52] <juggs> Anyways - I'm out, I have dispensed more than enough amateur hour philosophy tonight. Most of it fatally flawed no doubt - but maybe some thought provokers in there for those that can wade through my incessant rambling. Be well. Peace. OUT.
[03:03:14] * juggs sighs
[03:02:56] <JamesNZ> Discriminate on all the things!
[03:02:42] <JamesNZ> juggs: Wat, wai?
[03:01:47] <juggs> JamesNZ, we do not discriminate on sexuality hereabouts.
[03:01:45] <BadCoderFinger> There are questions I'd rather not have the answer to.
[03:00:52] <JamesNZ> I'm more interested in why you call your friend "honey buns".
[03:00:49] <juggs> What relevance was the skin colour of the new number holder? Would it have been more palatable if it was a big pale skinned guy? Or are you waiting to deliver the surprising punch line?
[02:55:24] <SirFinkus> it was ackward
[02:55:19] <SirFinkus> I opened with "hello honey buns" but it sounded like a big black guy got his old number
[02:54:45] <SirFinkus> so I called my friend, but he changed his number
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[02:51:20] <juggs> I'm guessing BCF has an auto-response set up for "BCF" :D
[02:48:52] <juggs> Maybe a little lower pitched
[02:48:33] <SirFinkus> an air raid siren
[02:48:22] <juggs> SirFinkus, for all you know I have the voice of a siren.....
[02:47:37] <BadCoderFinger> Heh!
[02:47:36] <juggs> Hi BCF
[02:46:39] <SirFinkus> juggs singing, now that's true terrorism
[02:38:35] <BadCoderFinger> Hi guys
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[02:32:08] <juggs> Subsentient, have you qualified where your "terror" of Islam stems from? That would be a good staring point I suggest.
[02:22:28] <juggs> Wow - I seem to be singing Islam this evening - for the record - I'm not religious.
[02:21:51] <juggs> away to nothing. There is wisdom in both Christian and Islam literature, the blood-thirsty bits deserve to be left back in the times they were written. You have to not think of "Islam" as one cohesive force that is somehow going to come and convert you while you sleep or chop off your head or something - that's media hyperbole. For what reason, I do not know. Islam is as diverse as Christian religion. It's not a bogeyman in and of itself.
[02:21:51] <juggs> Subsentient, then you are out of context and naive. How many Christians observe the hell and damnation, fire and brimstone to the letter that is the old testament? Pretty much none right? Same goes for Islam - there are minor sects that take it literally and live by that, but many more that view it more philosophically as a document of its time and while they live by its tenets (a good way to live and prosper) the barbaric attention to detail drops
[02:11:49] <Subsentient> juggs: Honestly, I'm terrified of Islam. I read the Quran. Makes the old testament look like a children's bed time story.
[02:00:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Amiga Turns 30—"Nobody Had Ever Designed a Personal Computer This Way' - http://sylnt.us - down-memory-lane
[01:57:12] <juggs> I'm unsure if making sense to EF is a good or bad thing :/
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[01:50:12] <Ethanol-fueled> that makes sense, juggs. Anyway, I'm off.
[01:49:46] <juggs> lturalism / living side by side and prospering thing down. It's just the numbers that are a problem for us.
[01:49:46] <juggs> I have concerns about the sheer numbers that seem intent on making their way to the UK - purely from a logistical view - we're a tiny island and kinda crowded already. I'm not particularly worried about the make up of those people wanting in - they are mostly persecuted minority sect refugees looking for a place to live peacefully and be left the fuck alone to just... well... live their lives. They are not a threat in ideology, we have the multicu
[01:49:12] <Ethanol-fueled> Allright, I'm off to do more homework and enjoy the reckless hedonism of some ice cream and a bowl of marijuana. Have a good day/night all.
[01:46:28] <Ethanol-fueled> Subsentient, as many as I can fit in my rectum.
[01:45:54] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: How many gerbils does it take to feast on your flesh?
[01:43:32] <juggs> Sure we have EU rules on accepting refugees subject to persecution at home. Those are the minority types I mentioned. I have no idea where you are getting your information but the overall EU border is not entirely porous. Internally within the EU - sure, we mostly have open borders, so once someone "sneaks in" they are free to move around unchallenged.
[01:41:38] <Ethanol-fueled> Or are they just doing it silently to avoid the PC police shitting themselves?
[01:41:01] <Ethanol-fueled> I read that they can't due to some EU charter.
[01:40:47] <juggs> They are.
[01:40:37] <Ethanol-fueled> juggs, then why aren't they?
[01:40:23] <juggs> Umm.... they can.
[01:40:03] <Ethanol-fueled> I believe that European countries should be allowed to refuse and deport non-EU immigrants, though.
[01:39:33] <Ethanol-fueled> I know that, I just had to take a potshot at your change in demographics.
[01:35:25] <juggs> ern regions are the minority sects running the hell away from the barbarity to find somewhere to just be left the hell alone and live a peaceful life. I suspect, if the shit hit the fan in the UK, the more numerous moderate muslims would be the in the front line to face down the hard line muslims. There is no love lost there. Don't for one second think that "muslim" is one united entity.
[01:35:25] <juggs> Ethanol-fueled, UK has not fallen to any menace. We're masters of integration - have to be as an island nation constantly invaded for thousands of years. Sure, there are some pockets of hard line Islamists, as do most countries in western europe, but they're making no real progress. The far more numerous moderates just look at it and see it best not to rock what is a steady ship. Have to bear in mind, the majority of immigrants / refugees from east
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[01:33:25] <crutchy_> catch yas later
[01:33:22] <crutchy_> anyway, best be off
[01:32:34] <crutchy_> (well, nothing like western ideology anyway)
[01:32:13] <crutchy_> there's no ideology
[01:32:09] <crutchy_> i think to russia (and china) international politics is just business
[01:31:54] <Ethanol-fueled> they might have withheld it as a bargaining chip with Iran.
[01:31:45] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, I think Putin greenlighted the sale just now, since the deal has been struck.
[01:31:24] <crutchy_> but i think iran will eventually get russian missiles (if they haven't already)
[01:31:01] <crutchy_> Ethanol-fueled, they have done that for israel too.
[01:29:05] <SirFinkus> "but we're the GOOD GUYS" doesn't really fly as an argument for me
[01:28:42] <SirFinkus> I find it hard to have the moral high grounds far as nukes go when we have them too
[01:28:32] <Ethanol-fueled> ^back in 2009.
[01:28:17] <Ethanol-fueled> Russia COULD have sold the S-300 to Iran if it wanted to but held off simply because the US requested it do so, rather than any international law.
[01:27:49] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, and Russia was one of the partners in the Iran deal as well.
[01:27:08] <SirFinkus> expensive, but spectacular
[01:27:05] <crutchy_> how do you think russia was able to simply march into crimea without the US lifting a finger? a: foreign reserve holdings. even the "sanctions" were probably agreed on by both sides. 'oh yeah we slap some sanctions on rich dudes than can get around them anyway, and US saves some face'
[01:27:01] <SirFinkus> launch the rocket
[01:26:57] <SirFinkus> tied to a rocket
[01:26:54] <SirFinkus> noose around prisoners neck
[01:26:49] <juggs> TMB, all well and good - but if Europe is subsumed by such a structure coming from the East, the US is fucked. It's allies would be on the other side of the globe, the $ would no longer be the international currency of last resort, it would collapse - absolute bedlam in the US if they do not dominate in the way they are attempting to do now.
[01:26:43] <SirFinkus> about how you'd expect
[01:26:29] <Ethanol-fueled> How does that work, finkus?
[01:26:14] <SirFinkus> I call mine the rocket noose
[01:26:06] <SirFinkus> votes on execution methods too
[01:25:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> buzzard needs to do a cigarette
[01:25:36] <SirFinkus> one gets eliminated by vote every week
[01:25:28] <SirFinkus> start with 30 hostages
[01:25:17] <SirFinkus> isis needs to do an american idol style reality show
[01:24:42] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard, England has already fallin to the Islamic menace BAHAHHAHAHA!
[01:24:23] <Ethanol-fueled> But I'd love to see the day when ISIS steamrolls Saudi Arabia and are welcomed with open arms by the powerful radical clerics.
[01:24:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, yall have fun with that. i think we're better off out on this side of the pond.
[01:23:52] <Ethanol-fueled> Good call, Juggs.
[01:23:31] <juggs> They wouldn't ask anyone to come in TMB. Some sect would dominate and unite the region and then sweep across Europe. I think we kinda played this scenario out a couple of millenia ago. Hence why we like to dip in and out keeping the region unstable, randomly supporting regimes that we later go back in and destroy.
[01:23:20] <crutchy_> foreign reserves etc
[01:23:09] <crutchy_> foreign countries buy off your politicians, and then your military does their bidding
[01:23:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy_, mercs get paid.
[01:22:47] <Ethanol-fueled> Yup, good point.
[01:22:46] <crutchy_> tmb, the reason why you're in everyone's business is because you're mercs
[01:22:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> mercenaries is a good thing. it's honest.
[01:22:13] <Ethanol-fueled> That would make us mercenaries, Buzzard. Or are we already?
[01:21:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> not me. i do think we oughta be paid for helpin a fucker though.
[01:21:07] <Ethanol-fueled> good call, buzzard. I'm an isolationist myself.
[01:20:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> personally i think we should pull out of everywhere and let em kill each other. see how long it takes until everyone's begging us to stick our noses back in everyone's business.
[01:20:00] <Ethanol-fueled> If the goat-fuckers didn't have oil (and by extension money to buy everybody off) they'd be either dead or still in the stone-age.
[01:19:42] <crutchy_> china is cleaning up the spoils inbetween :p
[01:19:24] <crutchy_> the mid east is just a proxy war between russia and the west anyway
[01:19:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i generally don't care about over there unless someone's talkin bullshit in favor of Palestinians
[01:19:07] <Ethanol-fueled> As much as I dislike their influence on American politics they're a lot more intelligent than the goat-fuckers.
[01:18:39] <crutchy_> ...into the ground
[01:18:38] <Ethanol-fueled> run, ruin, same thing in that shithole.
[01:18:27] <Ethanol-fueled> Who, Israel? Let 'em run the middle-East.
[01:18:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> they DO have nukes
[01:18:11] <crutchy_> fuck. i gotta go visit the inlaws. think i'd rather be kicked :/
[01:18:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, betcha a dollar they run the middle east within a decade if we do.
[01:17:39] <crutchy_> :D
[01:17:30] * TheMightyBuzzard kicks crutchy for trolling him
[01:17:13] <Ethanol-fueled> Okay, maybe we shouldn't attack them...but we should withdraw and let them crumble.
[01:17:09] <crutchy_> true. it must suck being a palestinian
[01:16:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy_, ya. it takes a real buncha bastards to get randomly killed regularly.
[01:16:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> thought you was all yay jew chick boobies lately.
[01:16:14] <crutchy_> tmb, cos they're a bunch of nasty cunts?
[01:16:13] <Ethanol-fueled> Okay, attack Bibi and spare Israel.
[01:15:59] <crutchy_> tmb, in australia if you get private healthcare you pay less medicare levy. choice is goood :)
[01:15:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> dafuq would we wanna attack israel for?
[01:15:26] <Ethanol-fueled> agreed, crutchy...fifth-columnist traitors they are.
[01:15:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, do it or not on a non-federal basis then. allow people the choice to not participate and all is good.
[01:15:12] <crutchy_> you'd need to crush the neocons in congress first :p
[01:14:55] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard, I think the US and Iran should team up to crush Saudia Arabia and Israel.
[01:14:36] <crutchy_> iran has been doing business with russia and china for years
[01:14:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, never. doesn't make it just though.
[01:14:28] <Ethanol-fueled> And why aren't the Arab countries accepting all those refugees?
[01:14:15] <crutchy_> Ethanol-fueled, iran only has sanctions on the US. its all about giving haliburton the rights to sink their teeth into iran's oil
[01:14:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, fuck em. i ain't askeert of wwiii
[01:14:09] <Ethanol-fueled> agreed, crutchy. They're not "refugees," they're "welfare tourists."
[01:14:07] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, when in history was taxation ever voluntary? Do you think socialised health care for the poorer in society could be funded by passing around the metaphorical hat to the richer to throw some coins in? I'm sure that wouldn;t work in the UK and damn sure it would not fly in the US.
[01:13:27] <crutchy_> i don't mind the idea of looking after the poor to some extent. its the cost of living in an otherwise wealthy society. its only when the government opens the welfare floodgates that i think fucks up the system
[01:13:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> hey, smooth, almost bedtime. yet again i triumph over a boring day.
[01:13:20] <Ethanol-fueled> What's your all's take on the lifting of the Iran Sanctions?
[01:11:22] <juggs> Every western nation is doing that anyway with the debt mountain crutchy_ - apparently we hope to inflate it away - which is kind of a problem when our economies stop growing.
[01:11:00] <Subsentient> you missed a good one http://i.imgur.com
[01:10:55] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: oh
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[01:10:45] <Ethanol-fueled> What I don't like is that I get the impression that taxpayer rates are subsidizing the bad debt expense the industry gets when it is required to provide care to bums and illegals.
[01:10:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, biggest problem is it's forced at gunpoint
[01:10:16] <crutchy_> passing the buck to my kids is wrong
[01:09:54] <crutchy_> biggest problem with public healthcare is making sure its paid for. i think aussie parliament is toying with increasing the medicare levy. as much as i'll cop it its prolly a good idea
[01:09:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> me too. makes me happy.
[01:09:22] <juggs> General taxation going to a bunch of insurance firms as far as I can work out, replete with the overcharging that brings. However, I can't see a fully nationalised health service getting any traction in the US.
[01:08:43] <crutchy_> my missus has seen a few private surgeons lately. costs a lot, but prolly still cheaper than private cover in the end. different strokes i guess
[01:08:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm immune to your foolish bamacare
[01:08:41] <Ethanol-fueled> Subsentient, yeah, it was pretty much a raw deal for the ratepayers and a handout to the industry. But I was hooked up in a day with NO WAIT over the phone almost instantly.
[01:08:05] <Subsentient> Obamacare is an excellent attempt, but execution? F-.
[01:08:03] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm on it and pay $180 a month, and I believe I get some tax credits for being a poorfag.
[01:07:55] <crutchy_> but even if you're public you can jump the queue. you just paay a bit more than private
[01:07:45] <Ethanol-fueled> We're trying that with Obamacare. Not quite socialized but headed in that direction.
[01:07:24] <crutchy_> private is a ripoff but you jump the queue. public is much cheaper but you wait
[01:07:23] <juggs> Probably Canada too - but I am not sure on that one
[01:07:03] <juggs> I think UK, Aus and NZ are very similar in this respect.
[01:07:00] <crutchy_> i've often toyed with the idea of going private. it's a tradeoff between cost and speed of treatment
[01:06:52] <Subsentient> Couldn't get 3D acceleration working on SubLinux 2 on this brand new laptop (made in April), so I put Fedora on it, my fallback. I haven't been exposed to it for over a year on the desktop, and I really miss SubLinux. :^(
[01:06:30] <crutchy_> true
[01:06:16] <juggs> crutchy_, same in the UK - there are plenty of private health schemes that will get you faster treatment and arguably better facilities. But the NHS is always there as the backstop - it's really not a good thing for a society to let the poorer members be ill all over the place and lay about untreated - that hampers overall productivity.
[01:05:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> fair nuff
[01:05:32] <crutchy_> cos i fkin pay for it :)
[01:05:18] * crutchy_ is a libertarian that takes full advantage of bulk billed doctor services
[01:04:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> playin video games. deciding if i want to jump in on this silliness of hippies
[01:04:32] <Ethanol-fueled> sup Buzzard
[01:04:28] <crutchy_> juggs, i like the aussie system. if you're on a good wicket, you pay. but there's competition with private insurers
[01:04:00] <juggs> Oh gawd - the anarchist arrived!
[01:03:55] * Subsentient gives TheMightyBuzzard a hammer and sicle
[01:03:37] <juggs> Free at point of use - paid out of general taxation. But having it universally available as and when need is a societal net gain.
[01:03:31] <MrPlow> crutchy, you're a socialist!
[01:03:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;socialist crutchy
[01:03:29] * Ethanol-fueled doesn't give a damn if it's big government, small government, capitalism, socialism, if the few in charge didn't always fuck it up
[01:03:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> wut?
[01:03:17] <crutchy_> but i pay over a grand out of my taxes for it every year
[01:02:58] <Subsentient> crutchy: tax payers, I know
[01:02:54] <crutchy_> australia's healthcare system is supposed to be pretty good
[01:02:42] <Ethanol-fueled> hahahah, Fun-ny.
[01:02:39] <crutchy_> there's no such thing as a free lunch Subsentient
[01:02:38] <Ethanol-fueled> "healthcare" .....UK
[01:02:23] <Subsentient> I dunno, in the UK all healthcare is free.
[01:02:21] <MrPlow> TheMightyBuzzard, you're a socialist!
[01:02:21] <crutchy_> ;socialist TheMightyBuzzard
[01:02:13] <juggs> sshhh - you'll summon TMB!
[01:02:03] <crutchy_> any expansion of government (especially in the US) is sure to fuck over a lot of poor/working class
[01:01:46] <Ethanol-fueled> subsentient, that would make too much sense
[01:01:40] * Subsentient is a socialist
[01:01:38] <Ethanol-fueled> it sure didn't screw the healthcare industry, though.
[01:01:35] <Subsentient> I'd like to see a single-payer system./
[01:01:16] <Ethanol-fueled> from what I understand Obamacare screwed the doctors as much as it did the patients.
[01:00:28] <crutchy_> they choose whatever gets them moar monies
[01:00:01] <chromas> they already have that ability
[00:59:38] <Ethanol-fueled> and of course give doctors the ability to make that decision themselves without any reason.
[00:59:31] * crutchy_ doesn't have any guns. he takes comfort knowing he lives on an island surrounded by a shark-infested moat and an abundance of deadly flora and fauna
[00:59:23] <Ethanol-fueled> or "once raised his voice"
[00:59:12] <Ethanol-fueled> chromas, they way they're gonna do it is pass legislation to keep them from the "mentally ill" then widen the definition of "mentally ill" to "once posted curse words online"
[00:58:34] * Subsentient only has this quark disassembler cannon
[00:58:31] <Ethanol-fueled> HAHAHAH
[00:58:31] <chromas> gubbermint takin' our guns is just a conspiracy to drive up gun sales
[00:58:27] <crutchy_> hmm. i guess there's always broken glass bottles
[00:58:25] <Ethanol-fueled> as of last week I drank a lot and had neighbors who really pissed me off.
[00:58:01] <crutchy_> what!? you live in southern california and you don't have any guns!?
[00:57:56] <Ethanol-fueled> I don't like the idea of having a gun in my house, I'd like to store it at a friend's or in a locker if any local ranges have them.
[00:57:27] <Ethanol-fueled> I don't own any guns, crutchy. Whether or not I should get one has been a question for a long time.
[00:57:08] <crutchy_> Ethanol-fueled, has homeland security taken your guns yet?
[00:57:02] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: Impossibru!
[00:56:50] * Ethanol-fueled is immune to burritos
[00:56:42] <Subsentient> :^D
[00:56:40] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Ethanol-fueled
[00:56:40] <Subsentient> $burrito Ethanol-fueled
[00:56:24] * exec unjustifiably blows a spoon of g'day juice at Ethanol-fueled
[00:56:23] <crutchy_> ~g'day Ethanol-fueled
[00:56:00] <Ethanol-fueled> Chromas
[00:55:58] <Ethanol-fueled> sup crutch
[00:55:56] <crutchy_> till its all squidgy and drips a shitty mess
[00:55:30] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahahah
[00:55:28] <Ethanol-fueled> Yup.
[00:55:22] <crutchy_> he'll just take it and fork it up the ass good and hard
[00:54:44] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: Because it will be mine and I won't allow any of his bullshit in my distro.
[00:54:24] <Ethanol-fueled> subsentient, Poettering can stick his dick into any plate of mashed postatoes...what makes you think he won't violate yours?
[00:53:54] <Ethanol-fueled> Normal...personality...returning...
[00:53:01] <Ethanol-fueled> Took a good few days to safely taper off, and even that wasn't fun.
[00:52:19] <Bender> Added quote 549
[00:52:19] <chromas> !grab Ethanol-fueled
[00:52:18] <juggs> It's fun right up until the point it's not - then shit can go down hill rapidly from there. Good job identifying that cusp.
[00:51:30] <juggs> Yeh - bad sign right there.
[00:51:17] <Ethanol-fueled> At that point I realized that I was no better than a junkie who would suck dick for a crack rock.
[00:51:12] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: It's designed not to be a Poettering cesspool.
[00:51:00] <Ethanol-fueled> which is why I made a serious effort...because hangovers became withdrawals.
[00:50:44] <juggs> Best of luck
[00:50:33] <Ethanol-fueled> right, juggs. Still withdrawing.
[00:50:24] <Subsentient> This distro will be built around the Epoch Init System, a vanilla design principle, support x86, x86_64, and hopefully ARM and PPC.
[00:50:20] <juggs> Hmm - 3*7 = 21 or do your weeks have 8 days each?
[00:50:04] <Ethanol-fueled> why are you doing it, subsentient? Just because?
[00:49:48] <Ethanol-fueled> Not really, juggs, it's 3 weeks exactly.
[00:49:32] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: Yeah. It will have no dependency resolution, but will have no such thing as a -dev package. It will be stupid easy to build packages.
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[00:48:41] <juggs> Oddly precise number of days :/
[00:48:35] <Subsentient> SoyGuest46028: Yeah. It will have no dependency resolution, but will have no such thing as a -dev package. It will be stupid easy to build packages.
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[00:48:20] <SoyGuest46028> Not 60. Probably 24.
[00:48:03] <juggs> That'd be good for day 1 - think you can make it to 60 days?
[00:47:44] <SoyGuest46028> subsentient, do we really need another package manager?
[00:47:33] <SoyGuest46028> juggs - I will prove it by leaving later without telling everybody to sod off and without posting links to GG Allin videos.
[00:47:21] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: Working on a package manager for a new desktop distro I'll eventually be making.
[00:47:17] Ethanol-fueled is now known as SoyGuest46028
[00:47:03] <Ethanol-fueled> How ya doin?
[00:47:00] <juggs> prove it
[00:46:44] <Ethanol-fueled> I CAN QUIT ANYTIME I WANT.
[00:46:40] <Subsentient> lol
[00:46:39] <Ethanol-fueled> Really, I am this time.
[00:46:35] <Ethanol-fueled> No more of that for awhile. I'm dried out.
[00:46:26] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: Eeeuuuurrrreeeuuuugggghhhh!
[00:46:22] <Ethanol-fueled> 'sup.
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[00:45:20] <Subsentient> crutchy: Want me to run a NEXUS for you?
[00:45:12] * Subsentient glares at crutchy
[00:45:09] <Subsentient> juggs: you understood correctly.
[00:31:25] <juggs> I believe that is the scenario he built it for if I understood correctly
[00:30:57] <juggs> Ohhh - that's why you were asking about Subsentient's irc proxy creation thing.
[00:30:33] <crutchy_> xchat is running on my desktop. i'm on my lappy on the couch :)
[00:29:45] <juggs> And what's with the crutchy + crutchy_ ?
[00:29:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Founder of GNU Bestows Blessing Upon Open Source Crowdfunding Site - http://sylnt.us - the-times-they-are-a-changin'
[00:29:23] <juggs> And yep there is a SN steam group - unsurprisingly called "SoylentNews" - not sure it really means anything - maybe we can co-op on something at some point.
[00:28:24] <juggs> Ha, I find myself doing that too crutchy_ - music finishes and I'm busy doing something else then realise some considerable time later I still have the 'phones on.
[00:14:04] <crutchy_> wtf. /me just realised he's had a pair of headphones on for the last half hour with nothing playing through them :/
[00:12:37] <crutchy_> lmao @ comment: "I need one for my cat that says "IF YOU CAN READ THIS I WILL KILL YOU"
[00:11:49] <Bender> karma - puppies: 1
[00:11:49] <crutchy_> puppies++
[00:11:48] <exec> └─ 13d'aawww - Album on Imgur
[00:11:45] <crutchy_> nyaww lol. http://imgur.com
[00:08:46] <crutchy_> ahh right! who fucking posted the initial imgur link!? now i'm trapped fucket!
[00:08:22] <exec> └─ 13Title - Album on Imgur
[00:08:19] <crutchy_> http://imgur.com