#Soylent | Logs for 2015-07-09

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[00:20:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - AT&T Will Give Poor People 1.5 Mbps DSL for $10 if US Allows DirecTV Merger - http://sylnt.us - too-big-to-fail
[00:31:26] <cmn32480> welll ... so much for a quiet night at home.
[00:31:47] <cmn32480> sigh
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[00:51:05] * juggs looks in and straightens some chairs
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[00:52:44] * SpallsHurgenson ambles into the channel and flops down comfortably, "Hey all"
[00:53:11] * SpallsHurgenson casts a relaxed eye around the channel, totally at ease
[00:53:25] <SpallsHurgenson> hmmm... wait a second... wait just one gosh-darn second.
[00:53:33] <SpallsHurgenson> WHO'S BEEN MOVING THESE CHAIRS?!?!?!?!?
[00:54:23] * juggs wanders over to the rear deck.... and straightens more chairs.
[00:54:38] * SpallsHurgenson moves them back
[01:01:40] <juggs> You put them back, upside-down on the floor and draped on the light fittings? OK... I'll have to squash my OCD "weirdness" that suggests to me that chairs should for sitting in. I missed the memo where they became installation art pieces to be flung all over. But whatever works..... I'll never understand :D
[01:02:27] <SpallsHurgenson> it's... art :)
[01:03:15] * juggs punches a hole in SpallsHurgenson's pristine ceiling..... that's performance art :P
[01:03:57] <SpallsHurgenson> noooo! ceiling cat can see me now!
[01:08:52] * juggs puts all the cats through the hole.... good luck coaxing them all back out!
[01:09:39] <SpallsHurgenson> I was very tempted to do the same when I had my recent ceiling-disaster... but I couldn't make myself do it
[01:09:59] <SpallsHurgenson> (I'm half convinced that cat would have enjoyed it, however)
[01:11:33] <juggs> I don't believe that you were tempted for a second, you seemed to spend your life keeping cat safe from the big bad ceiling guys while that was going on
[01:12:42] <SpallsHurgenson> well obviously I'd only do it after the Ceiling Men left for the day. Then she would have had the whole evening to wander the crawlspace :)
[01:13:45] <juggs> dangerous ploy - she may not come out - then you would be haunted by a kitty ghost forever....... a frightening prospect
[01:14:16] <SpallsHurgenson> which is why I currently have a floor-kitty and never had a ceiling-cat of my own:)
[01:15:22] <takyon> this community really steps up to the plate on things like "what OS do you use" and "can you view these emojis"
[01:18:18] <juggs> We ran another "what OS do you use" type story again? (Sorry, if I missed it, I've been out a few days(
[01:19:37] <SpallsHurgenson> I don't use an OS; I IRC with a typewriter :)
[01:21:34] <juggs> I use smoke signals, clearly I need to update something.
[01:25:56] <SpallsHurgenson> those aren't smoke signals; your computer is on fire
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[01:32:01] <juggs> still smoke - just magic smoke escaping.... wait, you mean a PC is not meant to emit flames and popping sounds? Well what was the point of putting a V8 and Webber carbs in it? I was reliably informed this would make it go faster. Have I been conned again? These tricksters! Sheesh, what will they come up with next? Was a credit deal on 24" rims for my PC a bad idea? They said I had a virus in my previous PC rims :-/
[01:42:19] <SpallsHurgenson> that hurt my brain
[01:44:49] <juggs> my work here is done
[01:50:03] <SirFinkus> stupid comment on the last story
[01:50:14] <SirFinkus> if you're paying someone for something, they aren't "giving" it to you
[01:50:36] <SirFinkus> I suspect the word choice was deliberate
[01:51:11] <SirFinkus> it implies that it's an imposition on at&t to offer this, but I bet they're still making a profit
[01:52:02] <juggs> The AT&T story?
[01:52:29] <SirFinkus> yeah
[01:52:48] <SirFinkus> I already commented on it on the site, and this is a minor point not worthy of a double post
[01:53:31] <SirFinkus> I love those subtle word tricks that change the tone of a sentence
[01:54:45] <juggs> I'm staying out of US broadband regulation related stuff. It's all blind alleys and loss leaders sold to industry captured regulators.
[01:55:00] <SirFinkus> I wish I could ;_;
[01:56:29] <SirFinkus> I read this as "if you let us become an even bigger monopoly, we'll offer our substandard service to our captive consumer market at slightly less outrageous prices"
[01:57:59] <juggs> ~shrug~ As I said, yours to deal with on those shores, the free market and open competition should sort it out right? /me had to stir the pot on the way out
[01:58:28] <SirFinkus> well, our broadband market is highly regulated
[01:59:00] <SirFinkus> the problem is, the regulations are being written by Comcast, Time Warner, Verizon, and AT&T
[01:59:25] <SirFinkus> it's the worst of both worlds!
[02:00:13] <SirFinkus> At least I don't have to call my ISP up if I want to watch porn
[02:02:43] <crutchy_> coffee++
[02:02:44] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1496
[02:03:13] <crutchy_> ~title off
[02:03:14] <exec> titles disabled for 10#Soylent
[02:04:24] <crutchy_> juggs, if only there was open competition
[02:06:32] <crutchy_> real problem is that people assume that when free market proponents talk about competition they mean more competitors. what they really mean is less impediments to existing competitors. or in other words, the government needs to stop fucking up competition
[02:07:52] <crutchy_> goverments have their greasy mitts in everything, and as peter schiff once put it to a bunch of ignorant US senators, 'nobody can compete with the treasury'
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[02:09:25] <cmn32480|afk> CRAP
[02:09:33] <cmn32480|afk> CRAP CRAP CRAP
[02:09:38] cmn32480|afk is now known as cmn32480
[02:10:08] <cmn32480> air conditioner at my rental property needs work
[02:10:13] <juggs> The economics of BB provision in Aus and USA are very different to the UK. Population density and all that. I understand the UK market inside out. It just does not translate to anything other than an over populated island with a strangely concentrated amount of cross-seas fibres running through it.
[02:10:16] <cmn32480> crap crap crap crap crap
[02:11:03] <crutchy_> if we tied all our poisonous snakes together we could have awsome internet too
[02:12:20] <juggs> You could use the spiders as switches and the dropbears as firewalls...
[02:12:55] <crutchy_> need the spiders to build the web
[02:13:50] <SirFinkus> holy shit another graphene story
[02:14:01] <cmn32480> what woudl the job of the kangaroos be crutchy?
[02:14:15] <crutchy_> what is it this time? graphene condoms?
[02:14:31] <cmn32480> graphene microphone can let you hear like a bat
[02:14:32] <SirFinkus> microphones
[02:14:45] <crutchy_> hmm. kangaroos would kick spammers out
[02:14:53] <cmn32480> fair 'nuff
[02:15:23] <SirFinkus> I'm beginning to think that some giant AI is creating graphene stories to gauge humanities reaction to certain technology
[02:15:25] <juggs> Graphene's magic is only 10 years away. We seem to run those stories like ElReg runs Hyper-Convergence stories lately.
[02:15:30] <chromas> Graphene kangaroos
[02:15:39] * juggs books it
[02:16:10] <crutchy_> chromas, that would be dangerous. like an aussie terminator
[02:16:14] <SirFinkus> Graphene <object> makes <object> that can do <action>
[02:16:28] <SirFinkus> it's just iterating through a wordlist
[02:16:34] <Gravis> juggs: graphene is overrated
[02:17:00] <cmn32480> graphene is like instant cancer if you inhale is
[02:17:03] <cmn32480> *it
[02:17:07] <SirFinkus> was just about to say it
[02:17:16] <cmn32480> ninja'd you again!
[02:17:17] * SirFinkus wonders if there was a similar fuss about asbestos
[02:17:34] <SirFinkus> I know asbestos is pretty awesome for just about everything other than breathing
[02:17:39] <cmn32480> yeah but it never caught fire
[02:17:41] * crutchy_ waits patiently till the program gets to stating that graphene can go to work so that i don't have to
[02:17:53] <Gravis> juggs: QDCA is the real hotness
[02:18:15] <SirFinkus> Graphene editors post stories without quality submissions!
[02:18:32] <crutchy_> gravis, sounds like the next US internet 'privacy' act
[02:18:35] <chromas> It will in ten years, crutchy_. The graphenvergence
[02:18:53] <Gravis> QDCA stands for Quantum-Dot Cellular Automata
[02:18:58] * crutchy_ looks for the blue pill vending machine
[02:19:11] <SirFinkus> it's too late crutchy_
[02:19:15] <cmn32480> see now you are just attributing what we already do to graphene Sirfinkus
[02:19:16] <crutchy_> the *other* blue pill :p
[02:19:22] <SirFinkus> although valium can soften the blow
[02:19:44] <crutchy_> anyone read that book by michael crichton about grey goo?
[02:19:51] <SirFinkus> you'll still know the reptilians are in charge, but you'll be generally ok with it
[02:19:52] <SirFinkus> yup
[02:19:54] <crutchy_> i think its in my bookshelf somewhere
[02:20:01] <crutchy_> was an interesting read
[02:20:12] <crutchy_> can't even remember the title :/
[02:20:18] <SirFinkus> Prey I think
[02:20:26] <crutchy_> ah yeah that rings a bell
[02:20:46] <crutchy_> miniaturisation will make privacy extinct
[02:20:49] <Gravis> gray goo is hardly a threat
[02:20:54] <cmn32480> I remember one about dinosaurs... gorillas.... and an airplane... but not goo
[02:21:04] <SirFinkus> I think I had read too many Crichton books at the point I read that and it was too predictable
[02:21:05] <SirFinkus> Congo
[02:21:14] <cmn32480> that was the gorillas
[02:21:22] <crutchy_> cmn32480, check out the one that he was writing when he died
[02:21:28] <crutchy_> some other dude had to finish it
[02:21:29] <SirFinkus> the airplane one was Airframe I think
[02:21:36] <cmn32480> yup
[02:21:39] <SirFinkus> that one was slightly different
[02:21:48] <crutchy_> the shrinking story
[02:21:48] <SirFinkus> Sphere was fucking awful
[02:21:51] <cmn32480> I had a vague recollection that he died
[02:22:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Graphene-Based Microphone Could Let You Hear Like a Bat - http://sylnt.us - Lindsay-Wagner-says-she-has-first-dibs
[02:22:06] <cmn32480> I remember reading it but odn't remember the plot even vaguely
[02:22:12] * crutchy_ didn't realise till recently that crichton was involved in spehere
[02:22:41] <Gravis> crutchy_: that's because you are standing in front of it. ;)
[02:22:55] <crutchy_> cmn32480, i read most crichton books in a couple of days. other books take me weeks
[02:23:06] * crutchy_ kicks the sphere
[02:23:19] <cmn32480> he certainly wrote a good story.
[02:23:29] <SirFinkus> sphere was some bullshit about a hypno sphere that made you thoughts become reality or something
[02:23:32] <cmn32480> crutchy_ - just chagne the title to soccer
[02:23:38] <SirFinkus> but you'd forget about it
[02:23:58] <SirFinkus> it was a little far fetched for me
[02:24:01] <cmn32480> obviously it must have been a great literary work if I cna't remember thign one about it
[02:24:12] <SirFinkus> they even made a shitty movie about it
[02:24:33] <SirFinkus> I think most of his books are pretty meh actually
[02:24:36] <cmn32480> most of the movies they made from his books sucked
[02:24:46] <cmn32480> except Jurassic PArk
[02:24:46] <SirFinkus> except Andromeda Strain and Jurassic Park
[02:24:47] * crutchy_ doesn't follow much mainstream stuff. i heard that some aussie tennis dude was chucking a patty, but that's only cos the missus was watching it in bed\
[02:25:01] <SirFinkus> those were above average, andromeda strain was downright good
[02:25:14] <cmn32480> agreed
[02:25:14] <crutchy_> all movies adapted from crichton stories are shit
[02:25:28] <cmn32480> jurassic park was a good flick
[02:25:31] <crutchy_> cos they can't capture the technical details
[02:25:32] <SirFinkus> the jurrasic park movie was good, but not for the same reasons the book was
[02:25:40] <cmn32480> agreed
[02:25:45] <crutchy_> jurassic park was prolly the best, but the book still shit all over it
[02:25:58] <cmn32480> agreed
[02:26:15] <SirFinkus> well, that applies for every book movie adaptation
[02:26:21] <cmn32480> the special effects, were what made JP a great movie
[02:26:23] <crutchy_> this is no good. i think agreement is against the soylent t.o.u.
[02:26:29] <SirFinkus> so I try and look at them as separate things
[02:26:34] <crutchy_> ;socialist cmn32480 :D
[02:26:41] <crutchy_> ah?
[02:26:45] <crutchy_> s/a/e/
[02:26:45] <sedctl> <crutchy_> eh?
[02:26:46] <SirFinkus> unless they completely butcher the source material
[02:26:51] <crutchy_> ~socialist cmn32480 :D
[02:26:56] <crutchy_> pfft
[02:26:59] <crutchy_> stupid bots
[02:27:03] <cmn32480> keep guessing......
[02:27:11] <cmn32480> it was probably a ciri command
[02:27:13] <SirFinkus> see: The hobbit, and to a lesser extent, the other LOTR movies
[02:27:41] <crutchy_> i read the hobbit in primary school. my friends thought i was nuts
[02:27:45] <cmn32480> I don't think they completely butcherd the source in the hobbit
[02:27:50] <Gravis> yeah, everyone knows the harry potter books are better than the movies. xD
[02:27:56] <cmn32480> by far
[02:28:05] <SirFinkus> two words
[02:28:09] <SirFinkus> bunny sled
[02:28:11] <Gravis> /facepalm*
[02:28:14] <SirFinkus> I rest my case
[02:28:31] <cmn32480> ok. you got me
[02:28:36] <Gravis> SirFinkus: that's a shitty way to present your case
[02:28:48] <crutchy_> by resting it?
[02:28:48] <SirFinkus> the harry potter movies were very faithful to the books I think
[02:29:08] <cmn32480> they wer, but the books were FAR better
[02:29:14] <SirFinkus> It may be a shitty way Gravis, but I don't need to make a good case for it
[02:29:17] <crutchy_> resting cases aren't very presentable
[02:29:32] <Gravis> SirFinkus: if nobody knows what you mean, you certainly do.
[02:29:36] * crutchy_ dresses up SirFinkus' resting case by putting pants on it
[02:29:45] <cmn32480> though the chick that played Hermione certaily grew up
[02:29:47] <SirFinkus> I don't think the harry potter books were that great tbh
[02:30:01] <SirFinkus> good, but I don't think they'll be remembered in 20 years
[02:30:02] <cmn32480> really?
[02:30:06] <crutchy_> just don't tell SpallsHurgenson
[02:30:22] <cmn32480> I think you are incrrect SirFinkus
[02:30:25] <SirFinkus> Rowling has a nasty habit of pulling deus ex machina horseshit
[02:30:38] <SirFinkus> improved with the later books
[02:30:39] <Gravis> well i was really just joking because harry potter is for children
[02:30:48] <crutchy_> the thing that made harry potter popular was really the ticking noise song on youtube
[02:31:17] <SirFinkus> and oh yes, emma watson is rather attractive
[02:31:18] <Gravis> ticking noise song?
[02:31:31] <cmn32480> they are simply a good story. told with a lot of detail, but she caught Tom Clancy Syndrome toward the end
[02:31:32] <Gravis> SirFinkus: perv
[02:31:49] <cmn32480> agreed Srifinkus
[02:31:56] <cmn32480> agreed Sir finkus
[02:31:57] <Gravis> cmn32480: perv
[02:32:00] <crutchy_> https://www.youtube.com
[02:32:12] <SirFinkus> guilty I guess
[02:32:20] <cmn32480> gravis - she didn't become attractive until after 18. nothgin pervy about that
[02:32:26] <cmn32480> for all you know I am 22
[02:32:38] <crutchy_> dumbledore!
[02:32:47] <cmn32480> gandalf!
[02:33:04] <SirFinkus> cmn32480 probably liked her in the first 3 movies
[02:33:35] <crutchy_> oh yeah she was hot
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[02:33:50] <crutchy_> 'i found the source of the ticking. it's a pipe bomb!'
[02:33:53] <cmn32480> i didn't see the movies until years after reading the books.
[02:34:00] <SirFinkus> now she has gross boobies and she's all tall and stuff
[02:34:02] <Gravis> cmn32480: you have presumed too much!
[02:34:08] * crutchy_ has only seen the first movie. years ago
[02:34:16] <cmn32480> the books were far better
[02:34:41] <SirFinkus> oh, the fucking plot holes
[02:34:43] <Gravis> SirFinkus: i really hope you are joking
[02:34:46] <SirFinkus> another thing that drove me nuts
[02:34:50] <SirFinkus> of course I am
[02:34:57] <SirFinkus> unless it's about the plot holes
[02:35:02] <Gravis> no
[02:35:03] <SirFinkus> in which case I'm not
[02:35:17] <Gravis> SirFinkus: i say of course but the internet is full of a lot of sick people
[02:35:34] <cmn32480> and you are sitting here on IRC with several of them
[02:35:59] * SirFinkus would like to explore (adult) hermione's plot holes
[02:36:20] <cmn32480> here's your bunny sled!
[02:36:21] <cmn32480> http://www.arcticinsider.com
[02:36:43] <cmn32480> what... no more titles from exec?
[02:36:46] <Gravis> SirFinkus: yes you are right about the plot holes element. it's what makes most kids stories pointless
[02:36:57] <SirFinkus> the worst one
[02:37:06] <SirFinkus> so they have this secret wizard world
[02:37:13] <SirFinkus> and sometimes, wizards are born to muggles
[02:37:23] <Gravis> SirFinkus: kinda like LOTR. why not just have a bird drop the ring into the volcano?
[02:37:24] <SirFinkus> but there's no onboarding process for muggle borned
[02:37:52] <SirFinkus> and everyone acts absolutely SHOCKED when harry doesn't know something, even though everyone pretty much knows his entire life story
[02:38:39] <Gravis> well... magic itself is a plot hole
[02:38:54] <SirFinkus> that one is justified Gravis, in the hobbit the eagles wouldn't fly the dwarvs all the way to the lonely mountain because they would get shot by humans protecting their sheep or something
[02:39:13] <SirFinkus> and with nazgul and shit flying around in the lotr, I doubt they would have gotten very far
[02:39:42] <SirFinkus> GIANT FUCKING EAGLES aren't really the most stealthy way to move around
[02:39:55] <Gravis> SirFinkus: it's not like a bird is the only way to make it happen
[02:40:19] <SirFinkus> it was the example you gave though
[02:40:27] <cmn32480> LOTR shoudl have been a multi season miniseries
[02:40:39] <SirFinkus> most of the other alternatives were explored during the council of elrond
[02:40:50] <SirFinkus> casting it into the bottom of the sea etc
[02:40:59] <Gravis> SirFinkus: well there are other birds than gaint fucking eagles, right?
[02:41:05] <Gravis> giant*
[02:41:17] <crutchy_> https://www.youtube.com
[02:41:47] <Gravis> SirFinkus: humans aren't going to kill _every_ bird
[02:41:53] <kadaldc> twas before the time of Game of Thrones.I'm sure if they made LotR now, it would be a miniseries.
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[02:42:23] <cmn32480> probably right. They did the same w/ Outlander
[02:42:29] <cmn32480> made it a miniseries
[02:42:31] <kadal> ugh. that was me
[02:42:31] <crutchy_> invader zim is the most awesomeness miniseries evah
[02:42:40] <crutchy_> well, except for cities of gold maybe
[02:42:40] <kadal> never heard of it, crutchy
[02:42:58] <crutchy_> cities_of_gold++
[02:42:58] <Bender> karma - cities_of_gold: 1
[02:43:04] <Gravis> crutchy_: are you sure it was a miniseries?
[02:43:15] <SirFinkus> I don't think any of the other birds were smart enough Gravis, the ravens were implied to be semi-intelligent I guess
[02:43:20] <crutchy_> ~define invader zim
[02:43:24] <exec> invader zim: unable to find definition
[02:43:36] <crutchy_> exec-- # butthole dang
[02:43:36] <Bender> karma - exec: 27
[02:43:39] <SirFinkus> and part of the thing was the the hobbits were more difficult to corrupt than other creatures
[02:43:43] <cmn32480> well that clear it all up
[02:44:33] <SirFinkus> you also have to provide whatever flies it there with food and stuff, which might be difficult once it enters mordor
[02:44:45] <SirFinkus> and it's not like a bird can carry a backpack
[02:47:22] <cmn32480> they can... it just has to be a small one filled with worms
[02:47:37] <crutchy_> depends. are we talking about a west african bird?
[02:47:43] <crutchy_> or european?
[02:48:14] <Gravis> SirFinkus: needless to say, there were plenty of things that could have been done besides trek all the way there on foot.
[02:48:39] <cmn32480> dunno... probably something between a chickadee and an ostrich
[02:48:44] <SirFinkus> the alternatives were pretty thoroughly explored at the council I feel
[02:48:58] <cmn32480> Tanks would have been a better idea
[02:49:01] <SirFinkus> oh fuck, I missed the obvious swallow jokes
[02:49:05] <cmn32480> show Sauron who's boss
[02:49:23] <crutchy_> swallow, or spit?
[02:49:25] <SirFinkus> it's not as glaring as the harry potter ones
[02:49:47] <Gravis> SirFinkus: so they couldn't let it rest at the bottom of the sea because?
[02:49:57] <cmn32480> submarines!
[02:49:59] <crutchy_> it might get wet
[02:50:05] <SirFinkus> that would be passing the buck to a later generation
[02:50:12] <cmn32480> and you can't have that happen after midnight
[02:50:24] <crutchy_> you void the warranty if it gets wet
[02:50:28] <Gravis> lol
[02:50:34] <SirFinkus> and some critter in the sea might pick it up and deposit it somewhere more convenient
[02:50:41] <SirFinkus> remember, the ring had a will of its own
[02:50:49] <crutchy_> or turn invisible and spy on all the female fishes
[02:50:56] <cmn32480> so the big worry was fish swallows ring
[02:51:08] <cmn32480> little fish gets eaten by bigger fish
[02:51:09] <crutchy_> depends. west african or european?
[02:51:21] <Gravis> SirFinkus: encase it in a pound of lead. boom, no fish problem
[02:51:24] <cmn32480> bigger fish get eatan by someone unscroupulous?
[02:51:30] <crutchy_> like a democrat?
[02:51:38] <cmn32480> or a republican
[02:51:55] <SirFinkus> that also wouldn't destroy sauron's power
[02:51:56] <crutchy_> i don't think republicans count as human
[02:52:01] <cmn32480> but Bernie WhatsHisNose is a Socialist!
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[02:52:13] <takyon> oh you're still here
[02:52:17] <SirFinkus> don't forgot that he had the upper hand and would have wrecked everything if the ring wasn't outright destroyed
[02:52:21] <takyon> I just filed a nice little story
[02:52:33] <takyon> covering this: http://photographyisnotacrime.com
[02:52:33] <cmn32480> PINAC?
[02:52:52] <SirFinkus> it's a soft "c"
[02:53:02] <takyon> kek
[02:53:30] <cmn32480> I'll take a look Takyon
[02:53:33] <takyon> my very first submission was a PINAC story, and now my... 214th approximate submission returns to its roots
[02:54:10] <takyon> http://www.democracynow.org
[02:54:32] <takyon> how come titles are turned off again
[02:55:00] <cmn32480> ~titles on
[02:55:08] <cmn32480> so much for that idea
[02:55:34] <cmn32480> ~title on
[02:55:35] <exec> titles enabled for 10#Soylent
[02:55:46] <cmn32480> http://google.com
[02:55:49] <exec> └─ 13Google - 03https://www.google.com.au/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=s-KdVbuJLqvu8wfv85jYBQ&gws_rd=ssl
[02:56:01] <takyon> thank you based cmn
[02:56:03] <cmn32480> I didn't know I could do that
[02:56:04] <Gravis> takyon: erm... yeah, a jury full of people from florida isn't exactly a braintrust
[02:56:27] <takyon> get it to the Supremes
[02:56:32] <takyon> where it belongs
[02:57:32] <takyon> so I know we covered Bruce Schneier and the 'Cryption Crew's 32 page essay on "encryption backdoors", but FBI's Comey has really been beating the drum hard in the last day
[02:57:50] <takyon> made it to all the major news outlets with his testimony at a hearing where none of the experts were invited
[02:58:26] <takyon> could deserve a new story, not sure since it's so much like a broken record
[02:58:43] <takyon> "Comey Gets it Wrong on Encryption Again, Bursts Lung"
[03:00:26] <Gravis> this country has always had a dark underbelly. i think we will have this problem until the day the country collapses.
[03:03:40] <Gravis> we need a country that isn't based on a scarcity economy.
[03:05:51] <Gravis> i think it's at the core of most of our society's woes.
[03:06:45] <Gravis> and i think the people in charge like it this way.
[03:09:23] <takyon> we need to technology to increase the standard of living that you can get for "free", ie. with your little plot of resources including solar panels to get energy from the sun
[03:10:24] <takyon> what we need is technology-driven deflation
[03:12:08] <cmn32480> a fond good evening gentlemen
[03:12:32] <cmn32480> I gotta get some shut eye. hopefully I won;t see you in a few hours like last night.
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[03:13:05] <takyon> later
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[03:15:27] <Gravis> takyon: why bother with money at all?
[03:15:54] <Gravis> money only creates inequality
[03:16:52] <takyon> to truly eliminate scarcity, you need a Star Trek style replicator and lots of free energy
[03:17:22] <Gravis> true but automation and solar panels will do in the mean time
[03:18:27] <takyon> when will it become cheaper and easier to rearrange the molecules from a pile of trash and air to create a corn cob than to grow one from a seed, give it lots of water, use pesticides, and then ship and sell that corn
[03:19:54] <Gravis> when somebody gets a monopoly on nano reassemblers
[03:20:30] <takyon> as optimistic as I am, I'll still have to see it to believe it
[03:20:50] <takyon> where are our 2-10x as good nanotech batteries
[03:21:13] <Gravis> well i'm not saying we need nano technology
[03:22:08] <Gravis> we have everything we need to automate the construction and recycling of goods
[03:23:44] <takyon> where
[03:24:15] <Gravis> takyon: where what?
[03:24:40] <takyon> I got confused
[03:25:10] <takyon> well getting to the post-employment welfare state is going to be a big mess
[03:25:13] <takyon> even if we can afford it
[03:25:58] <Gravis> what's with the money talk? you dont need to afford anything if there is no money.
[03:27:02] <takyon> so are you saying every person/commune is going to create a robot factory to make goods for them?
[03:27:14] <takyon> or that the government will do it and hand it out
[03:27:23] <Gravis> machines will do it
[03:29:01] <takyon> your automated machines require electricity, water, trash, chemicals, etc.
[03:30:02] <Gravis> yes, more things that need to be automated
[03:30:03] <takyon> You need graphene desalination if you want to ensure you have water. You need a lot of electricity. The trash itself will have a value attached to it, and a lot of what we manufacture isn't easily recyclable
[03:30:47] <takyon> you also need private property, a plot of land to put your factory on
[03:30:48] <Gravis> which is why we need to rethink how we manufacture things
[03:31:58] <Gravis> takyon: well i think we need to rethink ownership too, so private property is a moot point
[03:32:17] * TheMightyBuzzard cackles
[03:33:47] <Gravis> i'm thinking of the big picture. a society that will last indefinately rather than one that will crumble in under 1000 years
[03:33:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> smooth, ima practice up my professional taking now then. private property goes out the window i will be the laziest fooker on the planet.
[03:34:56] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: it's unlikely that you will be due to basic human nature but you would have that option
[03:35:17] <takyon> maybe get to work on the mars colonization. If you can create an indefinite colony on the red planet, you can probably solve those problems here
[03:35:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, EVERYONE would exercise that option. we have tens of millions doing it right now in the US.
[03:35:54] <takyon> man there sure are a lot of responses on the distro story
[03:37:13] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: really? you dont think people do things that could be considered work just for fun?
[03:38:00] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: because everyone on hackaday would disagree with you
[03:38:02] <takyon> I know I do - takyon, SoylentNews editor
[03:38:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, that's why i work on SN but if you go telling me i don't own what i create, you can stick any further effort right up whatever orifice you prefer.
[03:38:59] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you can have a copy of it but you dont have the exclusive right to it
[03:39:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, actually i DO have exclusive right to all the code i produce. i've simply implicitly licensed it under the GPL as well.
[03:39:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> i never signed away any rights, which i really should have had to do.
[03:40:14] <takyon> TheMightyBuzzard: I think Gravis means that just because you can sit around doing nothing 24/7 in a post-scarcity society, that doesn't mean 100% will.
[03:40:15] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: yes, that is under the current system
[03:40:33] <takyon> but I don't want to put words in your mouth so I'll just let you explain it
[03:41:00] <Gravis> takyon: i dont think anyone will just sit around 24/7
[03:41:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> takyon, 100%? no. But nobody's gonna come pick up your garbage anymore.
[03:41:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> or unclog your toilet.
[03:41:26] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: what part of automation didn't you understand?
[03:41:28] <takyon> yeah your garbage and feces will be turned into your new computers and corn
[03:41:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, you cannot automate plumbing.
[03:41:37] <takyon> by robots
[03:41:49] <takyon> if a plumber can do it, a fat robot can do it
[03:41:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> evar
[03:41:57] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: ahh, the classic "it's to complicated!" argument
[03:42:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's infinitely complicated because every installation is different.
[03:42:30] <Gravis> mhmm
[03:42:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> and kids do not stuff uniform sized n shaped things down the toilet
[03:42:40] <takyon> that just means you need a robot with human level intelligence and human level dexterity
[03:42:52] <takyon> so it means you need strong AI to build a good plumbing robot
[03:42:59] <Gravis> takyon: hardly
[03:43:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> i've been a plumber and i'd bet both testicles that you could not make a robot do a passable job as a plumber. ever.
[03:43:40] <chromas> Would you substitute robot testicles?
[03:43:49] <takyon> it's not about the plumber. It's about admitting that the human body and brain can be outperformed in every way by machines. Currently impossible, but always going to be impossible?
[03:43:54] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: what you have failed to consider is that things may not be the same as they are now
[03:43:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, now that's an idea
[03:44:52] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: for example, what if toilets were redesigned so that machine can easily repair them?
[03:44:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> takyon, probably, yes. i don't expect us to survive long enough to create AI more aware of itself and its surroundings than a human.
[03:45:23] <takyon> that's a cop out, Gravis. Don't redesign the toilet, build a "human" robot.
[03:45:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, the toilet bits already are. the plumbing beneath is not.
[03:46:07] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: again, you assume that things will be the same. what if you designed houses differently?
[03:46:16] <Gravis> be more creative
[03:46:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> design them any way you like, if you build something to be idiot-proof you will always find better idiots. same goes for trying to make life simple enough for a robot.
[03:47:22] <takyon> what if we get the capability to grow brains independent of a flesh body and capable of controlling a robot body before advancing AI that far? We could just create fleshmetal slaves
[03:48:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> skip the robot part. just slap shackles on anyone unemployed for more than six months.
[03:48:42] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you are a quite the dullard. -_-
[03:48:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you like
[03:48:56] <takyon> biology is just applied chemistry which is just applied physics. We will create human level AI within the next century, if not a lot sooner
[03:49:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> takyon, i'd put money against you on that but neither of us will be around to collect.
[03:50:08] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: humans tried slavery and as it turns out, it only works out for people who aren't slaves.
[03:50:14] <takyon> I'll post the story to Soylent when it happens
[03:50:30] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: and then it stops working out when the slaves kill the masters
[03:50:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, exactly. Everyone gets to participate.
[03:51:06] <takyon> so how can we make robots capable of doing all that a human can without them revolting and killing us!
[03:51:16] <takyon> what you need is a pacification chip
[03:51:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> takyon, digital shackles?
[03:51:34] <takyon> that's right
[03:51:38] <Gravis> takyon: don't give them high level intelligence
[03:52:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't make them self-aware and you can't have them aware enough of their surroundings to do jobs that could involve danger.
[03:52:23] <Gravis> humans will still be needed for designing new things
[03:52:26] <takyon> maybe we can get to post-scarcity without robots of human level intelligence (just really good automation), but it's not like we can regulate away the creation of human level AI. it will happen
[03:52:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> driverless cars is a fine example of human stupidity regarding AI
[03:52:57] <Gravis> takyon: we dont have to regulate it away
[03:53:16] <Gravis> takyon: just dont make the slavebots intelligent
[03:53:28] <Gravis> it's that simple
[03:54:19] <takyon> driverless cars at a point where they are safer than humans. even if they did start screwing up in edge cases, they will result in less deaths
[03:54:35] <Gravis> takyon: exactly
[03:54:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> takyon, i'm sure the people in the edge cases will be happy to know they are an acceptable percentage.
[03:55:04] <takyon> they are already numbers to their insurance companies and governments
[03:55:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas not a good thing
[03:56:00] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: perfection is the enemy of progress
[03:56:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> progress is a lie.
[03:56:16] <takyon> well we'll see what the casualty rates look like in practice. a car that can start deccelerating within a few milliseconds of sensing something wrong/abnormal is going to be very safe
[03:56:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's an empty word that means whatever you want it to.
[03:56:54] <takyon> versus the hundreds of milliseconds that a tired, distracted, or drugged human might take to react, while facing information overload
[03:57:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> takyon, and how's that going to work out for the merely human driver behind it?
[03:57:02] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: no, we are always making progress. sometimes it's for the common good and sometimes it's bad for everyone but we make progress ever day.
[03:57:04] <Gravis> every*
[03:57:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> towards what?
[03:57:24] <takyon> what human driver, TMB?
[03:57:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> unless you define it specifically, progress means nothing.
[03:57:48] <Gravis> i disagree
[03:57:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> you are wrong then.
[03:58:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a simple matter of definition. you can't say something is warmer without saying what it is warmer than.
[03:58:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> progress without what we are progressing towards has no meaning.
[03:59:55] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: well there a multitude of goals. no matter what you do, you are nearing one of those goals
[04:00:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, gotcha. so kill a bunch of people, progress!
[04:01:07] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: well... if you are trying to wipe out you enemy, it would be considered progress
[04:01:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> if a word doesn't have a definite meaning, it is indefinite. that's just how it works.
[04:01:12] <Gravis> your*
[04:02:15] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you dont have to know what the goal is for you to be moving toward it.
[04:02:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's pedantic though. if we end up going towards a star trek utopia, i'm going firefly on earth's ass. browncoats ftw.
[04:02:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, that's retcon and therefore bullshit.
[04:03:11] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: what is "retcon"?
[04:03:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> retroactive continuity. bootstrap levitation. making shit up after the fact to justify something.
[04:04:03] <Gravis> i believe that is called history.
[04:04:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> as we teach it now, sure.
[04:04:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> doesn't make it any less bullshit.
[04:05:10] <Gravis> no, it's just perspective.
[04:05:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> you get any more perspective your brain is going to finish leaking out of your ear.
[04:05:57] <Gravis> sounds better than being close-minded
[04:06:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> only closed to foolishness.
[04:06:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll evaluate anything but once i have and deemed it stupid or insane, it's not getting in.
[04:07:01] <Gravis> the greatest advances in history were considered follishness to people of the time
[04:07:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> in any case, private property is the very basis of liberty. you cannot have one without the other.
[04:07:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, so were the greatest failures.
[04:07:58] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: and history has shown who the true fools are.
[04:08:44] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: but dont worry, i'm sure you're the smartest man in the world and we just dont know it.
[04:08:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep. the vast majority of the human race. specially those whose plan would work if only they could fundamentally alter human nature.
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[04:09:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> see, that's a clue right there. if your plan requires a fundamental alteration of human nature? it's bloody stupid.
[04:10:04] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: true... unless your plan is to fundamentally alter humans.
[04:10:37] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: nothing i've said requires humanity change.
[04:11:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> so, greed works fine in your utopia?
[04:11:36] <Gravis> never said it was a utopia
[04:11:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> because avarice is very much a definitive human trait.
[04:12:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> hell, all our sins define us.
[04:12:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> put quotes around sins if the concept offends.
[04:13:30] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: so you are saying because some people are greedy that it wont work for anyone?
[04:14:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> all people are greedy.
[04:14:15] <Gravis> now you are just projecting
[04:14:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> give me your car
[04:14:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> i need it more than you do
[04:14:40] <Gravis> i dont have one. :)
[04:15:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> then go work very hard and get one. i need one and don't feel like working for it.
[04:15:28] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: if i could just print one out for you, i would.
[04:15:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> people lurve to talk communal property, until they get it shoved in their face that it means their property as well.
[04:16:28] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: it's only the design that matters. you can keep the physical object.
[04:16:44] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: because it's all built by machines
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[04:16:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm all for making things cheap. that's what got us to the luxury we enjoy today. free is not really possible though.
[04:17:10] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: why not?
[04:17:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> tanstaafl
[04:17:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> never has been, never will be.
[04:17:47] <Gravis> that's shortsighted
[04:18:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> any system you come up with will require some poor sucker to spend at least eight hours a day doing something he hates. this is the nature of existence.
[04:18:44] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: why?
[04:18:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> there are temporary blips where workers are displaced or overly needed but that's all they are.
[04:19:19] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you seemed to have discounted automation completely.
[04:19:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you find a way to put a lot of people out of work, they will damned well create new work to be done if you didn't do it yourself by creating the automation.
[04:20:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> like computers. they automate the complete shit out of everything but we still have accountants, secretaries, and a million other jobs that use computers not to mention the meta jobs dealing with the computers themselves.
[04:21:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> automation doesn't create less work. it creates more. it just makes whatever you happened to automate cheaper.
[04:21:25] <Gravis> heh... funny. always with the money talk.
[04:21:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes. always with money because money is freedom.
[04:21:52] <Gravis> automation makes more things possible, nothing more or less
[04:22:03] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: money isn't freedom, it's slavery
[04:22:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, it just makes one specific job at a time easier
[04:22:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, you have no idea what money is then.
[04:22:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> money is an abstraction that lets me store past work for future needs. it is material work.
[04:23:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Switzerland Begins Postal Delivery by Drone - http://sylnt.us - drones-going-postal-doesn't-sound-too-good
[04:23:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> get rid of it, you at best take us back to a barter system. far less useful.
[04:23:45] <swiss> 1 2 3 go me
[04:24:05] <takyon> heh
[04:24:33] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: if you are looking at a personal level, then yes it is. however, if you look at a systematic level you will see it's a method of forcing other people to perform labor.
[04:24:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> bullshit. the need to eat forces them to perform labor.
[04:24:56] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: in order to get it, you have to perform labor as well
[04:25:16] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: not if automation makes food for you.
[04:25:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> well no shit. it is stored labor. you must perform the labor first.
[04:26:43] <takyon> I'm still undecided on which of you to hand the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences to
[04:26:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> me, he doesn't know what money is
[04:27:09] <chromas> Pass it to ciri
[04:27:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> no man, i need it to prop up a table leg
[04:27:28] <Gravis> takyon: give it to TheMightyBuzzard, he'll need to sell it in the future.
[04:28:04] <Gravis> takyon: i'll just take a copy of the design and keep it on file. :)
[04:28:14] <takyon> we can all just barter sex to obtain robots
[04:28:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, what does your future society plan to do about the rebels? the ones who won't give up their property rights.
[04:28:50] <chromas> takyon: s/ro/sex ro/
[04:28:50] <sedctl> <chromas> <takyon> we can all just barter sex to obtain sex robots
[04:29:07] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: yeah... you expel them to countries that are still stuck in the old ways.
[04:29:21] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[04:29:25] <exec> └─ 13IBM says it's cracked the 7nm process barrier – take that, Moore's Law • The Register
[04:29:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> good good. i'm fine with that.
[04:29:32] <takyon> "On Thursday, Big Blue will announce that it has successfully produced test chips with functional transistors using a 7nm (nanometer) process technology, an industry first."
[04:29:52] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: after we castrate them for good measure. >:P
[04:30:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause there's no way in hell i'd live in that society. i'd start shooting people and not stop until someone did the same to me.
[04:30:36] <takyon> "Specifically, what Big Blue and its partners have managed to do is use silicon-germanium (SiGe) channel material, rather than plain silicon, to produce features at the 7nm scale. They then managed to develop new process technologies that allowed them to stack the fins of their FinFET transistors closer together, so they're stacked at a pitch of less than 30nm. By comparison, the fins on Intel's 14nm "Broadwell" process are stacked at a 42nm
[04:30:36] <takyon> pitch. Finally, they managed to use multiple levels of extreme ultraviolet (EUV) lithography to achieve area scaling that IBM says is nearly 50 per cent better than today's most advanced 10nm process technology – which hasn't even made it to market yet."
[04:31:33] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: there will always be people who cannot conform to societal norms.
[04:32:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, we used to call them americans a couple hundred years ago.
[04:32:15] <chromas> Will this be the return of PowerPC?
[04:32:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> got tired of tyranny, which is what you're suggesting, have no doubts.
[04:32:33] <chromas> And then Australians
[04:32:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> what, them convicts?
[04:32:46] <takyon> i don't think so, I think it has sold off all of its real chipmaking
[04:32:54] <takyon> for dirty, dirty, dirty money
[04:33:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmmm.... chips.... now i'm hungry.
[04:33:22] <chromas> We need a new architecture
[04:33:23] <Gravis> takyon: money isn't dirty, it's slavery. :)
[04:33:34] <Gravis> chromas: what? ARM is great!
[04:33:41] <takyon> MIPS
[04:33:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, you're forced to work to obtain it cause it IS work. damn that slavery.
[04:34:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> we already covered that though. now you're just spouting what's been proven foolish.
[04:34:27] <takyon> MIPS is the only legit alternative to ARM, x86, and whatever is left of Power
[04:34:46] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: if that were true then wallstreet's high frequency trading machines are the hardest workers ever.
[04:35:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're tools being used by the smartest workers ever.
[04:35:49] <Gravis> thieves, not workers
[04:35:56] <Gravis> takyon: i'm interested in the RISC-V chip
[04:36:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's just your own greed talking
[04:36:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> the goal is to have the most with the least effort. even your ramblings have this as a premise. yet you dog on them for following your ideal now successfully.
[04:37:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> but you're butthurt that you aren't able to do it too
[04:37:22] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: my ideal is that nobody have to work, not that i dont have to work.
[04:37:30] <Gravis> there is a HUGE difference
[04:37:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> bull. you're just sharing it around so the lazy isn't all pointed at you.
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[04:38:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> doesn't matter though. humans will always work and they will always want the fruits of their work for themselves.
[04:38:50] <SubiculumHammer> Quiet Quiet.
[04:38:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> if they then choose to share it, that's their choice.
[04:39:35] <SubiculumHammer> So...Did Soylent news already have its Anniversary?
[04:39:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> SubiculumHammer, 4th of July, yep.
[04:39:51] <SubiculumHammer> 1year I mean
[04:40:00] <SubiculumHammer> Seriously, it was on the 4th?
[04:40:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, that's when we incorporated
[04:40:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> fun timing, eh?
[04:40:28] <SubiculumHammer> SoylentNews should have a subscription sale one day only 75% off.
[04:40:34] <SubiculumHammer> yep
[04:40:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> so, $5/year?
[04:40:49] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: "and they will always want the fruits of their work for themselves." <- only a copy. don't you know about the GPL?
[04:41:07] <SubiculumHammer> well, that isnt much BUT, if you can get volume
[04:41:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, the GPL does not remove anything from the creator. next you'll be saying copyright infringement is the same as stealing.
[04:41:35] <SubiculumHammer> I was going to say Anniversay Blowout:)
[04:42:06] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: and i'm saying that physical items can be the same through the use of automation
[04:42:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, i'd rather just give everyone a free month
[04:42:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, i'm saying they can't.
[04:42:34] <SubiculumHammer> I mean, if Pandora can turn a profit at $1 dollar subscriptions..
[04:43:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> SubiculumHammer, we'd need more registered users than we have now and every single one of them subscribing at a dollar.
[04:43:09] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: why can't they? automation could make it free for everyone.
[04:43:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, no. no it could not. you just think it can because you haven't really thought about it.
[04:43:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> you think about it towards proving yourself right.
[04:43:55] <SubiculumHammer> Gravis is right, at least until energy, maintenance, and actual resources limit production
[04:44:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> you will never spot flaws like that.
[04:44:26] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you have failed to point out any flaws in the idea.
[04:44:39] <SubiculumHammer> <-- random interjector
[04:44:42] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: your best try is, "they can't be plumbers!"
[04:44:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, that was simply an obvious one.
[04:45:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> there are any number of jobs that can not be automated.
[04:45:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> not now, not ever.
[04:45:28] <SubiculumHammer> name one Buzzard
[04:45:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> besides plumber? proctologist.
[04:45:59] <Gravis> /facepalm
[04:46:10] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: really? that's what you are going with?
[04:46:21] <SubiculumHammer> proctology will be automated.
[04:46:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> it amuses me, so yes.
[04:47:24] <Gravis> medical care is edging toward automation too, buddy.
[04:47:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's edging towards collapse is what it's edging towards. automation be damned.
[04:48:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> doctors are leaving in droves, so you better hope they get automated soon.
[04:48:34] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: towards collapse? are you one of those "O NOZ OBAMACARES!" people?
[04:48:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, anyone who has family that works in the medical field is.
[04:49:21] <SubiculumHammer> I thought you were going to be creative and say, "epistemology, Examiner of Qualia"
[04:49:42] <takyon> Watson + smartphone will eventually be better than the doctor
[04:49:57] <SubiculumHammer> Epistemologists will be the last to be automated
[04:50:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> watson+smartphone will give you the most likely answer. even if the most likely answer is only 35% likely.
[04:50:21] <takyon> it will be up-to-date on every new medical advance and bit of knowledge. and you won't be analyzing genomes at the level of general practitioner
[04:51:05] <takyon> it might help if your smartphone can blast you with x-rays though
[04:51:24] <Gravis> takyon: there's still time. :P
[04:51:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, that would help quite a lot. scuse me while i write something fun to turn that on on every phone.
[04:51:49] <SubiculumHammer> I wonder. I like SoylentNews forum style, but I also like quick chat IRC style. Integration of the two into the same experience would be col
[04:52:09] <takyon> you just need to post faster and dumber in the comments
[04:52:15] <Gravis> LOL
[04:52:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> SubiculumHammer, figure out what you mean and i'm all ears
[04:52:23] <takyon> nothing's stopping us except the comment preview and other clickers
[04:52:26] <SubiculumHammer> 1 minute limit rate
[04:52:31] <takyon> oh yeah that
[04:52:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's only for ACs
[04:52:42] <takyon> time to see who's reporting on IBM's 7nm breakthrough, since they haven't actually made the announcement yet
[04:52:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> us registered types can spam to our hearts content
[04:52:55] <Gravis> SubiculumHammer: be less cowardly
[04:53:20] <SubiculumHammer> well, I did drink a pint of IPA, so hold on Buzzard
[04:53:20] <Gravis> SubiculumHammer: and more identifiable so i can ignore your ignorant commentary!
[04:53:24] <takyon> all articles are within the last 51 minutes or so.
[04:53:33] <takyon> it must have been embargoed news
[04:54:14] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: well... you asked for it: http://science.slashdot.org
[04:54:17] <exec> └─ 13Robot Performs Prostate Surgery Inside an MRI - Slashdot
[04:54:18] <SubiculumHammer> I am registed (SubiculumHammer), 50 karma, and I still cant post very fast else I get the complaint
[04:54:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, that's one nice part about comments. you can get up and go take a whiz mid-conversation and nobody will notice.
[04:55:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> surgeons aren't doctors. they're mechanics.
[04:55:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> SubiculumHammer, oooh, bug then.
[04:55:44] <SubiculumHammer> Well, yes and no. In some ways it keeps people from getting to know each other in a personal way, like one does on an IRC channel
[04:55:55] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: because diagnostics so so much harder?
[04:56:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, yurp.
[04:56:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> SubiculumHammer, oh don't think you're getting to know me here. this is a persona same as everyone else.
[04:56:47] <SubiculumHammer> You know, some of my research examines the meta cognition/ subjective experience.Maybe that will be automated one day.
[04:56:54] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: so machine vision is forever worthless and can't recognize abnormalities?
[04:57:22] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: i think you just got owned hard and just cant admit it.
[04:57:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, machine vision is worthless without a human to tell it what's what, yes. now and forever.
[04:57:53] <Gravis> hahahaha
[04:58:18] <SubiculumHammer> the ability to attach live chat sessions to parent posts. fuck tradition I'm buzzed.
[04:58:33] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you are way too closed-minded
[04:58:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> SubiculumHammer, interestin
[04:58:48] <SubiculumHammer> Well, there is machine learning without supervision.
[04:59:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, if by that you mean i don't entertain foolish notions, you're absolutely right.
[04:59:44] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: i am right but no, that's not what i mean.
[05:00:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> perspective, yo. get some.
[05:01:34] <JamesNZ> Gravis said he was right, so he's obviously right.
[05:01:47] <SubiculumHammer> The most important aspect about the potential for automation of work via AI & Machine learning is how it destroys the value and meaning of money.
[05:01:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> JamesNZ, yep. he got me there. can't argue with that.
[05:02:12] * JamesNZ nods wisely
[05:02:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> SubiculumHammer, it does no such thing.
[05:02:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> SubiculumHammer, money is stored human effort that can be exchanged later. mental, physical, does not matter.
[05:02:45] <SubiculumHammer> So how does this IRC in my browser? Javascript?
[05:02:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably, yeah
[05:03:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dunno really. never paid that bit of the site any attention.
[05:04:21] <SubiculumHammer> Lets ignore the question for a second about whether or not we can automate everything, let us assume we can. Given full automation of all labor, why do I need money as long as natural resources remain abundant?
[05:04:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> "as long as natural resources remain abundant"...
[05:04:56] <SubiculumHammer> What does it take to create an IRC site on the fly?
[05:04:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're not. some are extremely scarce
[05:05:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> SubiculumHammer, what you mean this irc server you're talking on or the web client?
[05:05:46] <SubiculumHammer> ok, so my makerbot tm creates a miner bot, now I have resources
[05:06:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> SubiculumHammer, you assume they're abundant somewhere on earth
[05:06:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> this is not the case in all things.
[05:06:46] <SubiculumHammer> I mean, can you (on the fly) embed an IRC channel into Parent Soylent News posts. Try to keep up with my drunken posts, wont you?
[05:06:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> and the energy for all this making, where is it coming from because if you say solar or wind or any other renewable, well, that's as much fantasy right now as total automation
[05:07:16] <SubiculumHammer> Not at all. I also have a rocket maker robot. I assume resources are abundnt in the universe
[05:07:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> SubiculumHammer, probably
[05:08:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> SubiculumHammer, they're not really. and you assume you gain energy by going out to space rather than spend it.
[05:08:04] <SubiculumHammer> The sun has more than we need, and if I can assume total automation I can assume massive solar energy
[05:08:43] <SubiculumHammer> Suppose I fly up materials and maker robots which self replicate into space, and they build (for me) a giant solar collector.
[05:08:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> fine, i'm assuming daleks then.
[05:09:28] <SubiculumHammer> Thats the future, Buzzard. Noone said you can assume the future in the past.
[05:09:58] * TheMightyBuzzard assumes a TARDIS and does exactly that.
[05:10:29] <SubiculumHammer> Two things are needed. Self=replicating robots with capable intelligence, and energy. With those, you could terraform Mars.
[05:10:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> capable == highly aware AI, yes?
[05:11:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> bets we don't end up killing ourselves off trying to create one?
[05:11:15] <SubiculumHammer> Sure. I sense a trap. But a weak one.
[05:11:56] <SubiculumHammer> Well we are weak bags of water. At least the epistemologists are still employed
[05:13:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> right, i'm out of tea and haven't had a cigarette in two hours. i concede nothing but am done with this conversation for a bit.
[05:13:14] <SubiculumHammer> BUt back to the point. If we assume a machine can do anything we can do, as long as the machines obey us, there is not reason for money
[05:13:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> i needs my stims
[05:13:33] <SubiculumHammer> Fair enough.
[05:14:03] <SubiculumHammer> Why does your name change color? Am I just ignorant of the IRC commands?
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[05:15:16] <SirFinkus> TheMightyBuzzard is a wizard
[05:15:22] <SirFinkus> oh, he left
[05:17:06] <takyon> https://soylentnews.org
[05:17:10] <exec> └─ 13IBM and Partners Develop 7nm Process Chips: SoylentNews Submission
[05:22:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya know, my alarm's gonna go off in bout 4.5 hours. i think i'll go ahead and sleep some before it does.
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[05:34:16] <SubiculumHammer> PYes. Definitiely can't post comments quick, even registered with high karma
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[05:35:39] <SirFinkus> so I got a new bass guitar, in celebration https://www.youtube.com
[05:35:42] <exec> └─ 13【ジョジョ】可愛い女の子が『その血の記憶』をスラップベースで弾いた - YouTube [04[JoJo] cute girl was playing the "memory of the blood" in the slap-based - YouTube]
[05:45:14] <arti> blort
[05:46:39] <Subsentient> SirFinkus: Is that Jackie Chan?
[05:46:51] <SirFinkus> sure, why not
[05:46:57] <SirFinkus> he has a pretty good high kick
[05:47:52] <arti> could be a good strain name
[06:25:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Brain Imaging Shows How Children Inherit Their Parents' Anxiety - http://sylnt.us - sensitive-subject
[06:29:51] <arti> "it looks like your offspring has some of your traits!"
[06:30:51] <crutchy_> coffee++
[06:30:51] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1497
[06:31:06] <arti> teats++
[06:31:06] <Bender> karma - teats: 1
[06:32:55] <crutchy_> http://newsoffice.mit.edu
[06:32:57] <exec> └─ 13Why do puddles stop spreading? | MIT News
[06:33:31] <crutchy_> from the not-as-obvious-as-youd-think dept.
[06:35:44] <arti> must be a variety of camwh0re
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[07:56:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Surfing a Wake of Light Researchers Observe and Control Light Wakes for the First Time - http://sylnt.us - wave-at-the-camera
[08:04:04] <crutchy_> http://www.smh.com.au
[08:04:07] <exec> └─ 13ASX rebounds as China sharemarket posts biggest gain since 2009
[08:05:06] <crutchy_> western economists must be wondering how the hell china manages
[08:05:21] <chromas> <ciri> chromas: The funny anus is not a high value target, but "i use ubuntu" isn't a funny punchline.
[08:05:47] <crutchy_> funny_anus++
[08:05:47] <Bender> karma - funny_anus: 1
[08:06:55] <crutchy_> chromas, hows things dude?
[08:07:01] <crutchy_> yo mama ok?
[08:08:43] <chromas> Yep. Progress++
[08:11:26] <chromas> Gonna go visit moar family then not sure what's next
[08:12:06] <chromas> ~define 🌚
[08:12:09] <exec> [urbandictionary] 03🌚: An emoji, looks like a new moon with a face.Most known as 'Molester moon' As used by Smosh, when if you spam this emoji three times, you will recieve a message from M🌚LESTER M🌚🌚N sayi...
[08:12:32] <chromas> ~define 🚷
[08:13:28] <crutchy_> maybe it got molested?
[08:13:34] <exec> process timed out: ~define 🚷
[08:14:27] <crutchy_> ~define yo mama
[08:14:29] <exec> [urbandictionary] 03yo mama: 1. A phrase used as a formal declaration of defeat. For example: "Kenneth replied 'yo mama' when he realized he could not counter his opponent's point." 2. The principle part of...
[08:15:03] <chromas> It's those 1950s homosexuals out to molest our young definitions
[08:15:29] <crutchy_> with pubic mullets?
[08:15:50] <chromas> Pre-mullet
[08:15:50] <crutchy_> ~define mullet
[08:15:53] <exec> [urbandictionary] 03mullet: Pronounced "MUHL LET" A hairstyle in which the front is cut trim, but the back is long, left wild and often uncut. Even when the back is cut, it is still longer than the front. It is the sig...
[08:16:09] <chromas> I think even pre-sideburns
[08:16:16] <crutchy_> the_sig++
[08:16:16] <Bender> karma - the_sig: 1
[08:16:26] <crutchy_> its the new stig
[08:16:50] <chromas> The tv show Mr Robot is kind of interesting. Really slow moving and there was the surprise buttsex
[08:17:06] <chromas> Surprise buttsex is the best buttsex
[08:17:22] <crutchy_> 'surprise cockfag!'
[08:17:55] <crutchy_> 'you have balls. i like... balls'
[08:18:29] <crutchy_> http://www.wsj.com
[08:18:33] <exec> └─ 13No Gold Rush as Greece and China Troubles Roil Markets - WSJ
[08:18:47] <crutchy_> there's some weird shit going on in gold market
[08:19:39] <crutchy_> china is has apparently been buying tonnes of the shit but somehow they're keeping the price low
[08:20:59] <crutchy_> also with all the euro/greek shit, ukraine shit, etc normally gold would be on the rise
[08:21:10] <Subsentient> crutchy_: There's a fake charity that keeps calling us, they were exposed as a complete scam preying on good intentions by local news. Yet they still call.
[08:21:12] <Subsentient> so
[08:21:20] <Subsentient> I came up with what I'll tell them next time they call
[08:21:26] <Subsentient> I love little gory catch phrases
[08:21:43] <crutchy_> 'you have balls... i like balls'
[08:21:52] <Subsentient> "If you call again, I'll find you, and draw a portrait of your vivisected, mutilated corpse using juices from your pancreas."
[08:22:13] <crutchy_> gotta do it in a russian accent though
[08:22:17] <Subsentient> hehe
[08:23:10] <Subsentient> crutchy_: I'm rather proud of myself for that one. :^)
[08:23:29] <crutchy_> its kinda funny how americans cursing is kinda funny, but when russians do it its scary as hell
[08:23:34] <Subsentient> yup
[08:24:48] <crutchy_> if the fake charity calls, just say (using your best russian accent of course) "k. g. b."
[08:24:49] <Subsentient> so I'm seriously considering launching a full blown desktop distro for the public
[08:24:57] <Subsentient> based on SubLinux design principles.
[08:25:09] <crutchy_> unix philophosy?
[08:25:23] <Subsentient> crutchy: Mostly "Full desktop with no bullshit"
[08:25:44] <crutchy_> that's what debian used to be
[08:26:13] <crutchy_> well, i guess it still could be. all the systemd haters should be focusing their rage on the dbus devs
[08:26:27] <crutchy_> dbus is where it all went sideways
[08:26:38] <crutchy_> one api to rule them all
[08:27:19] <Subsentient> no systemd or pulse, Epoch for the init system, SubLinux filesystem layout, no initramfs, but nice fat kernel, installing a package installs development headers too, etc
[08:27:30] <Subsentient> i586 for the 32-bit.
[08:27:42] <Subsentient> So it will run on dirt.
[08:28:13] <crutchy_> what file browser?
[08:28:20] <Subsentient> crutchy: It depends on the desktop
[08:28:28] <Subsentient> I myself like good old thunar.\
[08:28:37] <crutchy_> thunar requires dbus
[08:28:43] <crutchy_> which requires logind
[08:28:54] <Subsentient> crutchy: I don't hate dbus nearly as much. And I doubt dbus requires logind
[08:29:05] <crutchy_> i was surprised too
[08:29:14] <Subsentient> crutchy: SubLinux 2 has dbus.
[08:29:39] <Subsentient> It was compiled in early 2014 for most of the system.
[08:29:47] <Subsentient> It's been updated since then
[08:29:51] <Subsentient> 4.0 kernel, XFCE 4.12
[08:29:57] <crutchy_> pre-logind?
[08:30:03] <crutchy_> oh
[08:31:06] <Subsentient> crutchy: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org
[08:31:09] <exec> └─ 13D-Bus-1.8.18
[08:31:15] <Subsentient> apparently not hard to build without systemd stuff
[08:32:09] <Subsentient> crutchy: As long as dbus doesn't require systemd, I can live with it.
[08:32:35] <chromas> crutchy: you love dbus
[08:33:08] <crutchy_> when i tried removing all remnants of systemd in my debian vbox, i couldn't remove libsystemd-login0 package without removing dbus
[08:33:19] <crutchy_> its interesting that package has now been deprecated
[08:33:22] <crutchy_> https://packages.debian.org
[08:33:32] <exec> └─ 13Debian -- Details of package dbus in sid
[08:33:41] <crutchy_> oops wrong link
[08:33:41] <Subsentient> crutchy: that's because you must explicitly turn off systemd support during compilation of dbus
[08:33:42] <crutchy_> https://packages.debian.org
[08:33:50] <crutchy_> ah
[08:33:50] <exec> └─ 13Debian -- Details of package libsystemd-login0 in sid
[08:33:57] <chromas> That's 'cause Debian packagers are tards
[08:34:05] <crutchy_> prolly
[08:34:31] <crutchy_> Subsentient, if your distro has dbus without logind you might be onto something
[08:34:42] <Subsentient> crutchy_: It does.
[08:35:20] <Subsentient> I plan to make it very much like SubLinux 2, which uses Epoch and has no pulse or systemd, yet has full dbus support
[08:35:29] <crutchy_> just advertise "this distro is certified systemd-free" and everyone will be like "shutup and take my lack of money"
[08:36:19] <crutchy_> or rather "this distro is certified systemd-free but still has awesomeness of dbus and all the juicy shit like thunar"
[08:36:42] <Subsentient> crutchy_: If you want a preview of FatRat Linux, try a SubLinux 2 iso
[08:36:54] <crutchy_> fatrat!?
[08:36:59] <Subsentient> yup
[08:37:01] <crutchy_> err
[08:37:13] <crutchy_> meh. i guess it could be worse :p
[08:37:18] <crutchy_> ubuntu :/
[08:37:39] <Subsentient> I'm going to write a package manager in python 3 called packrat.
[08:38:41] <crutchy_> package management is hard. apt is prolly the best, but the dependency model isn't great
[08:39:22] <Subsentient> crutchy: I know, but really, I don't want anything weird like that. I want something that makes it really easy to build packages and is really fast at doing its job.
[08:39:27] <chromas> crutchy_: s/(best)/'\1'/
[08:39:27] <sedctl> <chromas> <crutchy_> package management is hard. apt is prolly the 'best', but the dependency model isn't great
[08:39:46] <crutchy_> chromas++
[08:39:46] <Bender> karma - chromas: 111
[08:40:05] <chromas> Subsentient++
[08:40:05] <Bender> karma - subsentient: 34
[08:40:10] <crutchy_> Subsentient++
[08:40:10] <Bender> karma - subsentient: 35
[08:40:22] <chromas> Subsentient++ # master of distros
[08:40:22] <Bender> karma - subsentient: 36
[08:40:29] <Subsentient> I love fedora's yum and now dnf, but it's slow as shit.
[08:40:37] <crutchy_> hmm. is it possible to up karma in bigger increments
[08:40:45] <crutchy_> Subsentient++ 10
[08:40:45] <Bender> karma - subsentient: 37
[08:40:52] <Subsentient> rpms are even harder to build than debs
[08:41:27] <crutchy_> debs are just zip files?
[08:41:38] <Subsentient> I'll make something like 'packrat stuff' that you just punch in a directory where your DESTDIR was, provide a instructions.txt, and go
[08:43:18] <crutchy_> when you come to trying to support version dependencies you'll be tearing your fur out
[08:47:26] <crutchy_> eck. that's disturbing; "Transitional compatibility library, functionality has been integrated into libsystemd0. "
[08:47:49] <crutchy_> re libsystemd-login0 debian package
[08:48:19] <crutchy_> eventually the entirety of systemd will be a single integrated package
[08:48:51] <JamesNZ> systemd++ # Integration FTW!
[08:48:51] <Bender> karma - systemd: -15
[08:49:38] <Subsentient> JamesNZ: I hope you're joking :^)
[08:49:47] <Subsentient> systemd--
[08:49:47] <Bender> karma - systemd: -16
[08:49:49] <Subsentient> systemd--
[08:49:49] <Bender> karma - systemd: -17
[08:49:49] <Subsentient> systemd--
[08:49:50] <Bender> karma - systemd: -18
[08:50:02] <aqu4> systemd--
[08:50:02] <Bender> karma - systemd: -19
[08:50:05] <aqu4> systemd--
[08:50:05] <Bender> karma - systemd: -20
[08:50:05] <Subsentient> systemd--
[08:50:05] <Bender> karma - systemd: -21
[08:50:07] <Subsentient> systemd--
[08:50:07] <Bender> karma - systemd: -22
[08:50:07] <aqu4> systemd--
[08:50:07] <Bender> karma - systemd: -23
[08:50:08] <Subsentient> systemd--
[08:50:08] <aqu4> systemd--
[08:50:08] <Bender> karma - systemd: -24
[08:50:09] <Bender> karma - systemd: -25
[08:50:09] <JamesNZ> Subsentient: Yes, it was meant to be a pun on racial integration :P
[08:50:33] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at JamesNZ
[08:51:13] JamesNZ is now known as systemd
[08:51:22] <Subsentient> $chanctl kick systemd
[08:51:22] <aqu4> Ok.
[08:51:23] -!- systemd was kicked from #Soylent by aqu4!~aqu4bot@universe2.us/ircbot/aqu4 [systemd]
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[08:51:34] <Subsentient> $chanctl kick systemd
[08:51:34] <aqu4> Ok.
[08:51:34] -!- systemd was kicked from #Soylent by aqu4!~aqu4bot@universe2.us/ircbot/aqu4 [systemd]
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[08:51:45] <systemd> Can't keep me down!
[08:51:52] <Subsentient> damn you're like the real thing, you won't die.
[08:51:53] <Subsentient> $chanctl kick systemd
[08:51:53] <aqu4> Ok.
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[08:51:59] <Subsentient> $chanctl kick systemd
[08:51:59] <aqu4> Ok.
[08:52:00] -!- systemd was kicked from #Soylent by aqu4!~aqu4bot@universe2.us/ircbot/aqu4 [systemd]
[08:52:03] <Subsentient> $chanctl ban systemd
[08:52:03] <aqu4> Ok.
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[08:52:04] -!- mode/#Soylent [+b systemd!*@*] by aqu4
[08:52:05] <Subsentient> $chanctl kick systemd
[08:52:05] <aqu4> Ok.
[08:52:06] -!- systemd was kicked from #Soylent by aqu4!~aqu4bot@universe2.us/ircbot/aqu4 [systemd]
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[08:52:44] <Subsentient> JamesNZ: wb
[08:52:50] JamesNZ is now known as systemd
[08:52:54] <Subsentient> lol
[08:52:59] <Subsentient> $chanctl unban systemd
[08:52:59] <aqu4> Ok.
[08:53:00] -!- mode/#Soylent [-b systemd!*@*] by aqu4
[08:53:01] systemd is now known as JamesNZ
[08:53:07] <JamesNZ> Oh, I know.
[08:53:10] JamesNZ is now known as Lennart
[08:53:14] <Lennart> :D
[08:54:19] <crutchy_> 💩
[08:54:20] * exec chucks a nasty sloppy dogshit at aqu4
[08:54:48] * aqu4 grinds exec into cat food and feeds him to crutchy_
[08:55:05] <Lennart> For some reason I thought that projectile would be directed at me.
[08:55:21] Lennart is now known as JamesNZ
[08:57:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Surfing a Wake of Light: Researchers Observe and Control Light Wakes for the First Time - http://sylnt.us - wave-at-the-camera
[08:57:28] <crutchy_> new zealand is the 6th state of australia so it would be unpatriotic to throw poo at a fellow countryman :p
[08:58:13] <JamesNZ> Lennart is from 'straya? Well, that explains everything :P
[08:59:36] <crutchy_> that doesn't make sense. it would be called wombatd if that were the case
[09:00:06] <JamesNZ> crutchy_++
[09:00:06] <Bender> karma - crutchy_: 1
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[10:28:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Pens Are Making a High-Tech Comeback - http://sylnt.us - where's-my-pencil
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[11:19:33] cmn32480_zzz is now known as cmn32480
[11:19:41] <cmn32480> I hate people
[11:20:07] <cmn32480> especially the ones who you tell somethign to, and give them a document that describes exactly what is supposed to happen, and they ignore ti
[11:26:58] <AndyTheAbsurd> I hate those people too.
[11:27:22] <AndyTheAbsurd> Hold on, let me go see if I can find Tina's post on Facebook about how stupid her cow-orkers are...
[11:27:58] <cmn32480> would that be TinaTheAbsurd?
[11:28:15] <AndyTheAbsurd> No, Tina Hardison AKA spoonyspork.
[11:28:31] <AndyTheAbsurd> Here it is; only shared with her friends so I'll just paste it here:
[11:28:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> Me: *leaves specific, very detailed instructions on where every single thing I work on can be found, including what keywords to search for and where for the electronic copies... which I note I've been sending everyone to those same spots for years, but just in case anyone needs a reminder!*
[11:28:39] <AndyTheAbsurd> Coworker: *calls me in panic at 5am because they can't find anything*
[11:28:42] <AndyTheAbsurd> Me: Did you check <hard copy spot> or <electronic spot>?
[11:28:44] <AndyTheAbsurd> Coworker: No... I checked <spot stuff hasn't been kept in over 4 years> and <giant pile of stuff for shredding>. Why would I check those other places?
[11:28:47] <AndyTheAbsurd> *facepalm*
[11:29:11] <cmn32480> that is pretty close
[11:29:19] <cmn32480> I have a job running in New Orleans
[11:29:29] <AndyTheAbsurd> that's just her latest story
[11:29:35] <AndyTheAbsurd> some of the older ones are worse.
[11:29:38] <cmn32480> our contractcor keeps asking me for the documentation on where X is supposed to be placed.
[11:30:43] <cmn32480> I send him the link that I sent on June 1st (and several times since) to a PDF in my drop box that gives in great detail exactly where X is suppsoed to be placed, and what rooms the antennas are supposed to be placed in to connect to X
[11:30:48] <cmn32480> driving me insane
[11:31:26] <cmn32480> it's like all he looked at was the placement maps and not the actual detail
[11:34:01] <AndyTheAbsurd> I wish I had a suggestion about how to get him to pay attention to that stuff for you
[11:34:18] <AndyTheAbsurd> but I can't even get my co-worker to fix "country" to "county" in the stuff that he wrote
[11:34:26] <AndyTheAbsurd> so I had to fix that myself.
[11:36:19] <AndyTheAbsurd> this Apple watch review is awesome: http://techcrunch.com
[11:36:24] <exec> └─ 13Apple Watch Review: After 2 Months… | TechCrunch
[11:36:31] <cmn32480> I don't ahve an answer either. other than it is going to cost him $$ if they screwed it up.
[11:37:19] <cmn32480> that review is hilarious
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[11:40:53] <cmn32480> fuck I hate our accounting system
[11:41:52] <cmn32480> why do I get the feeling that it is not going to be a good day?
[12:17:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, cause you're having to deal with accounting during the AM
[12:17:40] <cmn32480> it sin't even that I am trying to deal with accounting
[12:17:56] <cmn32480> I'm trying to get my expenses done adn figure out how much $$ the company owes me.
[12:18:38] <cmn32480> I am currently at 6k
[12:18:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> fun fun
[12:19:11] <cmn32480> and I have only touch on the stuff they are cutting PO's for. not even the stuff that is billable to jobs like airfare, hotels, etc.
[12:19:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> shouldn't suck too hard then.
[12:20:03] <cmn32480> it doesn't suck until Americna express wnats tehir $$
[12:23:16] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders making a bot for his everquest emulator server that shouts SN headlines across chat
[12:24:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, i could also sync the weather to the actual weather here in TN... course it'd rain a lot more in game but it'd be kinda fun to write.
[12:30:00] <cmn32480> ~weather armpit
[12:30:02] <exec> 03Camden, NJ, USA - currently 73°F / 23°C, light rain, wind NW at 9 mph, humidity 86% - Thursday scattered thunderstorms (70°F-91°F / 21°C-33°C), Friday sunny (67°F-88°F / 19°C-31°C), Saturday sunny (68°F-90°F / 20°C-32°C), Sunday mostly sunny (71°F-92°F / 22°C-33°C)
[12:30:17] <cmn32480> ~weather Baltimore
[12:30:19] <exec> 03Baltimore, MD, USA - currently 77°F / 25°C, mostly cloudy, wind NW at 6 mph, humidity 83% - Thursday scattered thunderstorms (72°F-89°F / 22°C-32°C), Friday sunny (70°F-86°F / 21°C-30°C), Saturday mostly sunny (69°F-87°F / 21°C-31°C), Sunday partly cloudy (72°F-90°F / 22°C-32°C)
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[12:33:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm
[12:34:18] <cmn32480> that about covers it TheMightyBuzzard
[12:34:28] <cmn32480> need more coffee.... 3rd cup already.. this isn't good
[12:34:31] <cmn32480> coffe++
[12:34:31] <Bender> karma - coffe: -2
[12:34:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup.
[12:34:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:34:35] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1498
[12:34:38] <cmn32480> coffee++
[12:34:38] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1499
[12:35:42] zz_janrinok_afk is now known as janrinok
[12:35:51] * cmn32480 wonders if there is a list command to see a list of who/what has been assigned karma
[12:35:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> afternoon, janrinok
[12:36:00] <cmn32480> janrinok !!
[12:36:20] <cmn32480> but on the upsdie I'm down to 80 eamils in my inbox!
[12:36:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, there is but i don't remember it
[12:36:56] <cmn32480> !karma
[12:36:56] <Bender> karma <item>
[12:37:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> !list
[12:37:06] <Bender> available plugins: admin, cfg, chan, chatlog, core, fleet, grabquote, ignore, irc, karma, koffie, lod, markov, more, plug, relay, soylentrss, sylnt, todo, twitter, uidchecker, urlinfo, user
[12:37:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> !uidchecker
[12:37:33] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[12:37:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> !uid
[12:37:38] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5658, owned by gnampff
[12:37:50] <cmn32480> !uidchecker cmn32480
[12:38:06] <cmn32480> so much for documentation
[12:38:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> documentation is overrated
[12:38:13] <janrinok> cmn32480, TheMightyBuzzard !!
[12:38:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> i know the twitter thing can set bender up to let you post to twitter from here but i forget how it works as well
[12:39:55] <CoolHand> janrinok!! cmn32480!! TheMightyBuzzard!!
[12:40:14] <cmn32480> janrinok!! cmn32480!! TheMightyBuzzard! Coolhand !!
[12:40:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> CoolHand!!
[12:40:35] * TheMightyBuzzard grins
[12:40:36] <CoolHand> u guys crack me up
[12:40:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> !whoup coffee
[12:40:41] <Bender> uppers of coffee are: TheMightyBuzzard: 955, crutchy: 942, Blackmoore: 237, Bytram: 205, chromas: 91, crutchy_: 44, mrcoolbp: 23, TheMightyLaptop: 22, Ethanol-fueled: 20, paulej72: 19, mechanicjay: 19, arti: 18, cmn32480: 17, mattie_p: 16, MrBluze: 15, AndyTheAbsurd: 13, TK: 12, Alberto: 10, exec: 9, Bytram|away: 7, silverly: 6, crutchy__: 5, keplr: 5, idetuxs: 5, matt_: - 3 more
[12:41:10] <cmn32480> if I had a twit account that might me useful
[12:41:35] <cmn32480> that comamnd wasn't in the list
[12:41:42] <cmn32480> yay documentation!@
[12:42:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> it'd probably also be useful to pipe replies to the @soylentnews account to irc but i hate working with the twitter api. they change it up far too often and then deprecate the old version.
[12:42:34] <cmn32480> nice of them.
[12:43:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> our api hits something close to what could be called 1.0, it's going into always supported but feature frozen mode.
[12:44:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> new stuff can have a new version number.
[12:45:14] <janrinok> CoolHand, !!
[12:45:34] <CoolHand> janrinok: quick on the uptake this morning I see... :) how's it, man?
[12:45:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;weather
[12:45:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> tha hell? where's mrplow?
[12:45:57] <janrinok> I was away again - man, I'm busy for someone who has nothing to do?
[12:46:13] <CoolHand> lol, that's what I've been sayin
[12:46:14] <paulej72> boron rebooted
[12:46:21] * janrinok rebooted
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[12:46:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;reload
[12:46:51] <MrPlow> Reloaded
[12:46:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;weather
[12:46:59] <MrPlow> Today: Sunshine and clouds mixed. High 93F. Winds WSW at 10 to 15 mph. Tomorrow: Partly cloudy skies. A stray shower or thunderstorm is possible. High near 95F. Winds SW at 5 to 10 mph.
[12:47:02] * janrinok Reloaded
[12:47:16] <paulej72> ~weather armpit
[12:47:18] <exec> 03Camden, NJ, USA - currently 73°F / 23°C, rain showers, wind N at 7 mph, humidity 86% - Thursday scattered thunderstorms (70°F-91°F / 21°C-33°C), Friday partly cloudy (67°F-88°F / 19°C-31°C), Saturday sunny (68°F-90°F / 20°C-32°C), Sunday mostly sunny (71°F-92°F / 22°C-33°C)
[12:47:23] <janrinok> nope, nothing seems to work for me... perhaps I'm borked
[12:47:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, pj
[12:47:32] <paulej72> morning
[12:47:47] <paulej72> coffee++
[12:47:47] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1500
[12:47:55] <CoolHand> paulej72!! MrPlow!!
[12:48:00] <CoolHand> g'mornin :)
[12:48:09] <paulej72> gm
[12:48:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, i should set up a cron job to check if MrPlow is running and start him if not.
[12:48:18] <paulej72> yep
[12:48:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> may do it this afternoon. busy this morning.
[12:48:48] <paulej72> @reboot is your friend
[12:48:58] <janrinok> have the devs read the sub from AndyTheAbsurd? and can I delete it now?
[12:49:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> wut? where? who?
[12:49:14] <paulej72> NCommander is in the process of killing leap
[12:49:55] <janrinok> I don't think it was really intended as a submission - and if it was, it ain't going out ;)
[12:50:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, i'm right there with both him and the blogger, regardless of it getting accepted.
[12:50:50] <janrinok> ...but I'm not sure that it was aimed at our devs either
[12:50:53] <Subsentient> https://www.youtube.com
[12:50:56] <exec> └─ 13No Hands - Cyanide & Happiness Shorts - YouTube
[12:51:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[12:51:20] <exec> └─ 13"Catch All The Fish" by Brad Paisley - YouTube
[12:51:30] <AndyTheAbsurd> janrinok: It was intended as a submission; I was minorly interested in what happened and thought other Soylentil would be as well - but I won't be offended if the rest of the community doesn't feel it should make the cut.
[12:52:02] <janrinok> AndyTheAbsurd, it would take quite a bit of editing to make it releasable
[12:52:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. otherwise we'd have to *gasp* RTFA
[12:52:41] <janrinok> exactly! ages of tradition thrown away on a whim
[12:53:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> interesting blog post though.
[12:53:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> right, I'm out for the AM. things needing done.
[12:54:07] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard, does that include fishing?
[12:56:10] <CoolHand> fishing? *I* want to go fishing!
[12:56:41] <janrinok> if you run you might just catch up with tmb - although I suspect he has other things todo
[13:00:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New York Stock Exchange Shut Down Temporarily Due to "Internal Technical Issue" - http://sylnt.us - gambling-at-its-finest
[13:02:28] * cmn32480 grumbles about idiots
[13:03:55] <janrinok> cmn32480, I resemble that remark!
[13:04:04] <cmn32480> hardly
[13:04:18] <janrinok> you just haven't seen me trying, bud!
[13:06:31] <cmn32480> you got a long way to go to match dimwits with the fools I am dealing with today.
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[13:25:04] <rob_on_earth> hi, registerd for SN a couple of weeks ago, should I have any mod point ?
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[13:26:17] <janrinok> it depends on several factors - have you posted many comments, submitted stories? You should receive some mod points each day but there is a waiting period that I've currently forgotton
[13:27:23] <janrinok> rob_on_earth, additionally, have you selected 'Willing to Moderate' on your home page?
[13:27:59] <janrinok> it should be the default but best you check it in case something has gone wrong.
[13:30:51] <janrinok> rob_on_earth, I'm just searching the wiki for the answer to your question, but I'm not having much luck at the moment. I think it needs updating.
[13:32:10] <cmn32480> janrinok: rob_on_earth: you wills tart getting mod points after 1 month, according to the moderation guidelines. see the "Who section at the link below
[13:32:12] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[13:32:14] <janrinok> rob_on_earth, Found it! No mod points for the first month - this is to stop ghost accounts appearing and disrupting the moderation system.
[13:32:17] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews: FAQ
[13:32:30] <cmn32480> NINJA'D!
[13:32:39] <janrinok> typical - you should be working!
[13:32:52] <cmn32480> I um.. am?
[13:34:31] <AndyTheAbsurd> cmn32480: he meant for your day job, not moonlighting for SN. :)
[13:34:50] <cmn32480> OOOOOOOOHhhhhhhhh
[13:35:17] <AndyTheAbsurd> speaking of which, I'm going to take a break from my day job and go walk around downtown St Petersburg for a little bit.
[13:35:18] <janrinok> burn!
[13:35:33] <AndyTheAbsurd> (The Florida St Petersburg, not the Russia one)
[13:35:35] <janrinok> St Pete's USA or Russia
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[13:35:45] <janrinok> Ninja'd twice in as many minutes
[13:35:48] <AndyTheAbsurd> NINJA'D!
[13:37:14] Bytram|afk is now known as Bytram
[13:37:19] <janrinok> hi Bytram
[13:37:46] <Bytram> janrinok: hi!
[13:37:53] <janrinok> long time no chat
[13:38:00] <CoolHand> Bytram!!
[13:38:04] <Bytram> I'm writing up an 'Ask Soylent' even as we speak
[13:38:10] <Bytram> janrinok: nod nod
[13:38:13] <Bytram> CoolHand: hola!
[13:39:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, afraid not. mostly involves a broken truck.
[13:39:22] <rob_on_earth> I look forward to my mood points in a couple more weeks ! thanks
[13:39:45] <rob_on_earth> FYI the IRC and webchat links on the wiki are down
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[13:40:00] <janrinok> looking
[13:40:02] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: broken truck? Oy!
[13:40:42] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard has gone out to do things
[13:41:30] <janrinok> SN IRC page looks OK to me, but the webchat page gives me a 'Nothing to see here, good citizen, Move Along.'
[13:42:01] <Bytram> at least you are a *good* citizen!
[13:42:27] <janrinok> in the eyes of some...
[13:42:42] <janrinok> How did you break it TMB?
[13:43:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> wasn't me. apparently it's most likely some sensor went bad on it.
[13:43:39] <janrinok> Bytram, what have you been up to, or have I just missed you on here?
[13:43:54] <Bytram> prolly just missed me, mostly.
[13:44:08] <Bytram> been busy at work, of course, but also keeping some strange hours, too.
[13:44:31] <janrinok> you always keep strange hours - have you thought of buying a watch?
[13:44:43] <Bytram> been getting ready for moving things from my current computer to a new [to-me] one.
[13:44:51] <janrinok> what you got?
[13:45:13] * Bytram is the 'Watch Specialist' at the store where I work!
[13:45:36] <janrinok> when you have to explain my jokes, things are getting bad...
[13:45:37] <Bytram> it just arrived at UPS and I need to get up and out to pick it up.
[13:46:01] * Bytram wasn't sure if I'd shared that aspect of my work before; sry!
[13:46:23] <janrinok> well, if you hadn't told 'em before, you've told 'em now!
[13:46:44] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:46:54] <Bytram> there's a time for everything!
[13:46:56] <janrinok> a computer delivered by UPS - sounds like a bit of an upgrade?
[13:46:58] <Bytram> *groan*
[13:47:08] <janrinok> got to hand it to you
[13:47:09] <Bytram> yuppers
[13:47:14] <janrinok> I'll second that
[13:47:21] <Bytram> a very generous member of our community donated it to me
[13:47:21] <janrinok> you've been fingered
[13:47:26] <janrinok> really?
[13:47:31] <Bytram> yup!
[13:47:43] <janrinok> a more deserving case I cannot think of
[13:47:47] <Bytram> I'll know more when I actually get it.
[13:47:52] <Bytram> you're too kind!
[13:48:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, fun news is there is no VM to load on it right now. still being built.
[13:48:14] <janrinok> now perhaps you can fix all the faults?
[13:48:34] <Bytram> can't! It's all *your* fault (at least according to your .sig)
[13:48:38] <janrinok> ?me cue the excuses, and the I only find them...
[13:48:55] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: figures!
[13:49:42] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: how you been? seems like I haven't 'seen' you in ages!
[13:49:47] <Bytram> !uid
[13:49:47] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5658, owned by gnampff
[13:49:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya know, i think ima start with a fresh buntu install, set up ssh, and let NCommander build it. it's giving me headaches.
[13:50:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> fair. no major complaints.
[13:50:13] <Bytram> yeah, same here.
[13:50:30] <Bytram> It's amazing what a couple good night's sleep and some naps do for my attitude!
[13:52:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> specially if you get them in a row
[13:53:34] <Bytram> yuppers! just having two days off in a row feels like a vacation for me!
[13:54:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, afk again.
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[13:56:33] <AndyTheAbsurd> this isn't valid XML, is it? <meta name="twitter:title" content="<> Kriseman urges commission not to limit tourist tax money for new s" />
[13:56:46] <janrinok> no
[13:56:51] <AndyTheAbsurd> I need to replace the <> with <>.
[13:57:12] <AndyTheAbsurd> It renders okay in a browser but I think that Twitter's not going to like it.
[13:57:21] <Bytram> http://feeds.arstechnica.com
[13:57:25] <exec> └─ 13Beyond silicon: IBM unveils world’s first 7nm chip | Ars Technica - 03http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/ibm-unveils-industrys-first-7nm-chip-moving-beyond-silicon/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+arstechnica%2Findex+%28Ars+Technica+-+All+content%29
[13:57:46] <Bytram> http://arstechnica.com
[13:57:49] <exec> └─ 13Beyond silicon: IBM unveils world’s first 7nm chip | Ars Technica
[13:57:53] <janrinok> Bytram, be quick I've just released that story but I can merge yours with it if you want
[13:58:15] <Bytram> oh, Ijust noticed that in the #rss-bot channel and thought it was interesting... that's all
[13:58:24] <Bytram> I've got a different story I'm wortking on
[13:58:29] <Bytram> brb
[13:59:45] <Bytram> we could really use another topic on story submissions: "Ask Soylent"
[14:03:17] <janrinok> It is called 'Answers'
[14:03:44] <janrinok> not sure why the mismatch - but they are one and the same
[14:04:01] <janrinok> Bytram, ^
[14:04:25] <Bytram> Hrmmm, if I had 'Answers' i would not submit the story!
[14:04:43] <janrinok> there he goes again, shooting at messengers :)
[14:05:03] <Bytram> you got to learn how to 'hide in a field'
[14:10:01] <AndyTheAbsurd> okay, here's an idea for a feature in rehash that I want to throw out to you guys to get feedback on: An "alert me to replies on this comment" function - if I see a comment, and have nothing I want to say in reply to it, but would like to follow the conversation, it would be nice to get a message in SN inbox when one or more replies have been posted to that comment. A setting for "also alert me to r
[14:10:07] <AndyTheAbsurd> eplies on replies etc. for a depth of X" would ...
[14:10:10] <AndyTheAbsurd> ... also be neat, but possibly harder to implement.
[14:11:47] <janrinok> AndyTheAbsurd, don't we already get notifications to replies to our comments? I do. Or are you referring to some kind of twitter alert?
[14:12:09] <AndyTheAbsurd> Our own comments, yes.
[14:12:23] <janrinok> Ah, you mean someone else's comments? Gotcha
[14:12:27] <AndyTheAbsurd> right
[14:12:48] <AndyTheAbsurd> I'm talking about "Oh hey, this comment looks like it will generate interesting conversation - I'd like to see what happens" type situations.
[14:13:21] cmn32480|afk is now known as cmn32480
[14:13:32] <cmn32480> I is back
[14:13:49] <janrinok> I can see its utility - not sure of how the backend will track all the individuals wanting alerts - currently it just looks at the ID of the submitter of the previous comment.
[14:13:55] <janrinok> wb cmn32480
[14:13:59] * cmn32480 thinks bytrams new 'puter is probably a 386 w/ 4meg of ram
[14:14:24] <janrinok> not a full 4 meg? He can't handle that much...
[14:14:25] <AndyTheAbsurd> I had one of those. It could just barely run DOOM.
[14:14:53] <cmn32480> sorry for the absence... had my backup software people on the line adn needed towebex
[14:15:05] <janrinok> AndyTheAbsurd, put it in and let the devs have a ponder.
[14:15:23] <cmn32480> I had one too AndyTheAbsurd, I think Dad is currently using it as a boat anchor
[14:15:28] <janrinok> is towebex a typo or something I should recognise?
[14:15:46] <cmn32480> typp
[14:15:49] <cmn32480> typo
[14:15:51] <cmn32480> geesh
[14:15:51] <janrinok> lol
[14:16:03] <janrinok> towel box?
[14:16:05] <cmn32480> the guy needed to webex into my machine to fix the issue
[14:16:12] <janrinok> towbar extension?
[14:16:27] <cmn32480> webex is a remote access/meeting software
[14:16:44] <janrinok> I was trying to decode your typo
[14:17:06] <janrinok> webex is like ssh but expensive?
[14:17:10] <cmn32480> having to explain your own jokes is bad janrinok
[14:17:27] <janrinok> I am a very bad janrinok.
[14:18:32] <cmn32480> yes. but we love you anyway
[14:19:26] <janrinok> you are just saying that, but it matters not - I'm staying so :p
[14:19:54] <cmn32480> you be nice or I'll dock your pay!
[14:20:56] <janrinok> again? - I'm almost in negative values as it is
[14:22:06] <Bytram> janrinok++ # just in case you get docked
[14:22:06] <Bender> karma - janrinok: 30
[14:22:11] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[14:22:14] <cmn32480> i know.. but I keep pocketing all that I dock you
[14:22:15] <exec> 03Boston, MA, USA - currently 68°F, cloudy, wind NE at 12 mph, humidity 66% - Thursday mostly cloudy (63°F-71°F), Friday scattered showers (65°F-79°F), Saturday sunny (67°F-86°F), Sunday sunny (68°F-88°F)
[14:22:15] <Bytram> ~weather portland, me
[14:22:18] <exec> 03Portland, ME, USA - currently 67°F, mostly cloudy, wind NE at 6 mph, humidity 62% - Thursday partly cloudy (57°F-72°F), Friday partly cloudy (60°F-77°F), Saturday sunny (64°F-82°F), Sunday mostly sunny (64°F-83°F)
[14:22:20] <Bytram> ~weather presque isle
[14:22:22] <exec> 03Presque Isle, ME, USA - currently 65°F, mostly sunny, wind N at 4 mph, humidity 58% - Thursday partly cloudy (53°F-79°F), Friday mostly sunny (54°F-80°F), Saturday mostly sunny (60°F-81°F), Sunday mostly sunny (57°F-80°F)
[14:22:24] <Bytram> ~weather mcmurdo
[14:22:26] <exec> 03McMurdo, Antarctica - currently -15°F, cloudy, wind NE at 7 mph, humidity 29% - Thursday cloudy (-18°F--12°F), Friday mostly cloudy (-20°F--14°F), Saturday mostly cloudy (-15°F--11°F), Sunday partly cloudy (-25°F--11°F)
[14:22:26] <Bytram> ~weather rihad
[14:22:29] <exec> 03Riyadh Saudi Arabia - currently 109°F, mostly sunny, wind NW at 6 mph, humidity 6% - Thursday clear with periodic clouds (82°F-110°F), Friday sunny (82°F-111°F), Saturday sunny (82°F-110°F), Sunday sunny (83°F-112°F)
[14:22:41] <janrinok> I've just posted 9 stories - can I stop now please?
[14:22:49] <AndyTheAbsurd> no, webex is sorta like VNC
[14:22:55] <cmn32480> NO!!!
[14:23:01] * cmn32480 craks whip at janrinok
[14:23:10] <Bytram> hmmm, does Win 7 Pro support running XP in a VM?
[14:23:13] <janrinok> AndyTheAbsurd, thx, cmn32480 ow!
[14:23:18] <cmn32480> yes bytram
[14:23:23] <Bytram> !woop
[14:23:23] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[14:23:27] <cmn32480> There is actually a package for that from MS
[14:23:45] <Bytram> you think I could get my XP image from my old system running in the new one?
[14:24:04] <cmn32480> probably
[14:24:06] <janrinok> do you mean is it possible, or do we think that you could achieve it?
[14:24:11] <Bytram> yes
[14:24:14] <Bytram> =)
[14:24:28] <cmn32480> I would suggest virtual Box, but it depends on what the image was made from
[14:24:39] <janrinok> in that case, ye or ns
[14:24:40] * Bytram is not looking forward to trying to remember all the customizations to all the programs he's installed over the past 10 years.
[14:25:00] <janrinok> why is the XP part so crucial?
[14:25:11] <cmn32480> that is what is boat anchor ran, I beleive
[14:25:14] <Bytram> otoh, there's prolly metric tons of crap that has accumulated, as well.
[14:25:20] <Bytram> yuppers
[14:25:44] <cmn32480> I woudl start fresh on Win 7... and customize as you need to
[14:25:52] <Bytram> I guess it's best that I just bite-the-bullet and install things fresh.
[14:26:05] <Bytram> yeah, I'm of that mind, too. except...
[14:26:06] <cmn32480> actually.. MS also had a program for transferring files and settings from XP to 7
[14:26:22] <AndyTheAbsurd> Bytram: before you shut down your XP image for the last time, go to the Device Manager and remove as many devices from there as you can get away with. Windows will be less freaked out by it's "hardware" changing if you do that.
[14:26:29] <janrinok> throw it away, move into the year 2010...
[14:26:31] <Bytram> there's been security-type things that I've customized on the fly over the years. e.g. in the registry, program settings, and the like
[14:26:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> s/image/computer/
[14:26:34] <sedctl> <AndyTheAbsurd> Bytram: before you shut down your XP computer for the last time, go to the Device Manager and remove as many devices from there as you can get away with. Windows will be less freaked out by it's "hardware" changing if you do that.
[14:27:05] <Bytram> that's the other part of the problem, hard disk is showing 'prefailure' in SMART
[14:27:25] <cmn32480> http://windows.microsoft.com
[14:27:28] <exec> └─ 13Windows Easy Transfer - Microsoft Windows
[14:27:40] <Bytram> years ago i tried to get a disk image copy of hte drive using clonezilla; it chewed along happily for several hours, hit a bad sector, and just stopped.
[14:27:59] <Bytram> that, after I'd previously run CHKDSK /R
[14:28:20] <Bytram> so, I need something a little more heavy-duty in retrying bad sectors, and continuing on even if there are errors.
[14:28:20] <cmn32480> you could do a P to V on it
[14:28:38] <Bytram> never done it before, but that is my hope.
[14:28:43] <janrinok> I know how to do it in linux
[14:28:49] <Bytram> which flavor?
[14:28:55] <Bytram> s/flavor/distro/
[14:28:55] <sedctl> <Bytram> which distro?
[14:29:00] <cmn32480> http://www.sysprobs.com
[14:29:08] <exec> └─ 13Physical to Virtual in VirtualBox - VirtualBox P2V
[14:29:11] <janrinok> it's commandline stuff - distro agnostic
[14:29:30] <cmn32480> dd is pretty slow janrinok
[14:29:36] <janrinok> but it works
[14:29:44] <cmn32480> agreed
[14:29:54] <Bytram> okay, you may have answered most of my questions, but since I've got an 'Ask Soylent' story almost, done, i'm gonna submit it anyway in case it'll help others.
[14:29:58] <janrinok> and I don't know of a Win equivalent
[14:30:12] <cmn32480> to create an image?
[14:30:27] <janrinok> yep, but I'm not a Win user
[14:30:46] <Bytram> youlose.
[14:30:46] <cmn32480> macrium reflect will do it for free, but I think the free version only does hardware to hardware.. no putting it on a virtual cdisk
[14:30:57] <Bytram> ok, I just submitted the story
[14:31:11] <cmn32480> we'll throw it in the bin for you Bytram.. no worries
[14:31:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Shaming Spy Chiefs by Plastering Them All Over the World - http://sylnt.us - shame-game
[14:31:30] <Bytram> also, having all the answers gathered in the same place will help me refer back to it as needed.
[14:31:50] <cmn32480> now I am gonna have to copy ppaste this IRC thread ito a comment... no fair
[14:32:05] <Bytram> I'm hoping to get as many answers as possible before I do something non-reversible on either system.
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[14:32:18] <Bytram> okay, need to clean up before heading out.
[14:32:32] <Bytram> afk back in 30 minutes or so.
[14:32:34] <cmn32480> have a good day! the rest of us are already at work
[14:32:46] <cmn32480> though pprobably not "working"
[14:32:51] <Bytram> =)
[14:36:15] <cmn32480> I fixed the webchat link in the wiki
[14:39:18] <CoolHand> not fixed for me yet.. even after f5.. maybe just load balancer cache..
[14:41:42] <cmn32480> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[14:41:45] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews:IRC - SoylentNews
[14:42:15] <janrinok> Bytram, I'll release your story soon and move another story up to make it fit
[14:47:33] <janrinok> cmn32480, could you pse 2nd bytram's story - I've put it in early but it is not due out for a few hours yet
[14:48:00] <janrinok> It's called Backups and Upgrades and VMs...
[14:50:07] <cmn32480> will do
[14:58:06] <janrinok> Hopefully, the reduced sub queue will prompt more subs for use over the weekend :)
[14:59:34] <paulej72> janrinok: a certain % of new users do not get mod points. or it could be a certain age (accounts must be older than x months). I can't remember the exact conditions.
[15:00:03] <janrinok> paulej72, it is 1 month, we found the info eventually
[15:02:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, only current condition is the one month delay.
[15:06:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> was part of the experiment to give everyone mod points and see how we self-policed by giving everyone in the community the ability. worked pretty well so far.
[15:12:05] Bytram is now known as Bytram|afk
[15:12:34] <Bytram|afk> gtg back in about 4 hours or so, if all goes well
[15:12:44] <janrinok> your story will be out by then
[15:13:21] <Bytram|afk> janrinok: nice! Please be sure to double check the links for the apps I listed; I expect they'll work, but I'd have to have a 404 on 'em, yanno?
[15:13:22] <paulej72> tree just fell down on the county road outside my parents house
[15:13:41] <janrinok> bad weather or an old tree?
[15:15:10] <Bytram|afk> oh, one more thing on my submission: "I know there's probably something I don't know; what else should I be asking? What problems should I watch out for?"
[15:15:48] <Bytram|afk> ok gtg - c u all l8r!
[15:15:52] <janrinok> laters
[15:16:03] <paulej72> not a very old tree it was a sycamore but it was planted between the road and the sidewalk
[15:16:26] <paulej72> the little beit of wind pushed it over because the root structure was weak.
[15:17:04] <janrinok> yep, that make sense
[15:18:58] <paulej72> plus the tree was unbalanced the branches were mostly over the road
[15:19:16] <janrinok> not a tree with much of a chance then...
[15:20:02] <paulej72> the issue is its two brothers look just like it. They will probably go the same way
[15:20:29] <janrinok> could they fall on your parents land/house?
[15:25:28] <paulej72> no but they could take out the utilities
[15:26:44] <paulej72> this one just missed taking out the power telephone and cable for a bunch of people
[15:27:13] <janrinok> best get them taken down in a controlled fashion. Who is responsible for them?
[15:27:30] <paulej72> county i beleive
[15:27:48] <paulej72> they were the ones called out to cut the downed tree
[16:02:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Develop Free Online Genetic Research Tool - http://sylnt.us - benefitting-humanity
[16:11:40] <Landon> I am firmly living in the future now
[16:11:59] <Landon> my trackpad/nubmouse stopped working so I have to use the touchscreen now :O
[16:13:53] <AndyTheAbsurd> Landon: are you all "fuck touchscreens" yet?
[16:14:06] <AndyTheAbsurd> because it would take about five minutes of that shit for me.
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[16:55:32] <kadal> ~uid
[16:55:35] <exec> The current maximum UID is 5660, owned by charon
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[17:45:27] <chromas> Bender: help karma
[17:45:27] <Bender> help on karma: arguments: <item> - show karma of item.
[17:45:31] <Bender> permissions: OPER, USER, GUEST - location: jsb.plugs.common.karma - examples: karma jsb
[18:02:05] <cmn32480> !karma cmn32480
[18:02:05] <Bender> karma of cmn32480 is 15
[18:02:29] * cmn32480 thinks stupid must be in the air today.
[18:08:52] <crutchy> ~time
[18:08:54] <exec> Friday, 10 July 2015 @ 4:08 am GMT+10 - Melbourne VIC
[18:09:04] <crutchy> coffee++
[18:09:04] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1501
[18:09:19] <cmn32480> are you STILL up, or just getting up?
[18:09:46] <crutchy> bit of both
[18:09:59] <crutchy> had a snooze on the couch
[18:10:05] <cmn32480> so you took a nap
[18:10:18] <cmn32480> I did that the other night. completely srewed me
[18:10:41] <crutchy> thankfully i don't have to go to work :)
[18:13:05] <crutchy> might go play some civ2
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[19:29:36] <cmn32480> that's right.. the old go to be d early
[19:35:10] <Landon> AndyTheAbsurd: windows 8... it works well with touchscreen :)
[20:05:24] <Leebert> n.b.: punching your regular LCD does not make it a touch screen.
[20:09:23] <Landon> Leebert: hehe, one of our test sets has a touch screen
[20:09:28] <Landon> a tough one too
[20:09:37] <Landon> I used to punch it all the time
[20:09:57] <Landon> as hard as my hand could take without damage
[20:10:11] <Leebert> Impressive.
[20:10:50] <Landon> http://www.mpdigest.com
[20:12:50] <Landon> never got a bit damaged, even when I had my ring on
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[21:42:37] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, build what?
[21:44:10] <Bytram> !karma crutchy
[21:44:10] <Bender> karma of crutchy is 169
[21:44:23] <Bytram> crutchy++
[21:44:23] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 170
[21:44:27] <Bytram> crutchy--
[21:44:27] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 169
[21:44:58] <Bytram> oh, *that* karma; thot it was retriving karma for a user on SN
[21:45:11] <Bytram> cmn32480++ # you know why
[21:45:11] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 16
[21:45:13] <Bytram> cmn32480++ # you know why
[21:45:13] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 17
[21:45:13] <Bytram> cmn32480++ # you know why
[21:45:13] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 18
[21:45:14] <Bytram> cmn32480++ # you know why
[21:45:14] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 19
[21:45:15] <Bytram> cmn32480++ # you know why
[21:45:15] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 20
[21:45:15] <Bytram> cmn32480++ # you know why
[21:45:15] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 21
[21:45:19] <Bytram> black jack!
[21:47:47] <Bytram> nap time
[21:47:50] <Bytram> afk
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