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[00:12:01] -!- SpallsHurgenson [SpallsHurgenson!~SpallsHur@Soylent/Users/656/SpallsHurgenson] has joined #Soylent
[00:12:09] * NCommander is off the road for tonight :(
[00:12:12] * SpallsHurgenson hobbles into the channel
[00:12:22] <cmn32480> there goes the neighborhood
[00:14:00] * SpallsHurgenson thwacks cmn32480 with his hobbling-stick
[00:14:21] <cmn32480> how many miles today NCommander?
[00:15:58] <cmn32480> ok.. I'll bite... why is SpallsHurgenson hobbling?
[00:16:33] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, you noticed? :)
[00:16:46] * SpallsHurgenson milks his injury for maximum sympathy :)
[00:16:58] <cmn32480> it was alkmost as though someone thwacked me with his hobbling stick
[00:17:00] <NCommander> cmn32480, 30
[00:17:38] <cmn32480> ZOINKS NCommander! mostly flat or downhill I hope?
[00:21:27] <SpallsHurgenson> I am renowned for my subtlety
[00:22:20] <cmn32480> so you have an injury that is making you hobble... dare I hope that it was something you said to the wrong person that caused it?
[00:22:59] <NCommander> cmn32480, rolling hills
[00:23:53] <cmn32480> I hear that has its ups and downs Ncommander
[00:23:59] <SpallsHurgenson> <groan>
[00:24:16] <SpallsHurgenson> that pun deserves another thwacking
[00:25:02] <cmn32480> I found it hilarious SpallsHurgenson
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[00:26:30] <SpallsHurgenson> puns always remind me of Asimov's short story, "Jokester"
[00:29:20] <cmn32480> not sure that I have read it
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[00:51:21] <BadCoderFinger> Hi guys
[00:51:22] <ciri> tach BadCoderFinger
[00:52:32] * SpallsHurgenson waggles his hobbling-stick at BadCoderFinger in greeting
[00:53:48] <BadCoderFinger> Hey Spalls. Dare one ask for a PG answer as to why you might be hobbling?
[00:54:08] <SpallsHurgenson> it seemed the appropriate thing to do :)
[00:54:24] <SpallsHurgenson> also, this way I get to carry a big stick :)
[00:54:36] <BadCoderFinger> Knobkerrie?
[00:55:25] <SpallsHurgenson> no... but I like the idea! :)
[00:55:59] <BadCoderFinger> I think it was a throwing weapon as well as a cane.
[00:56:10] <BadCoderFinger> Two birds, you know.
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[01:00:05] <SpallsHurgenson2> ouch
[01:00:20] <BadCoderFinger> What? That wasn't an insult.
[01:01:47] <SpallsHurgenson2> #soylent logging seems to be broken...
[01:02:21] <BadCoderFinger> Heh, now's the chance to say all the hurtful things we've been holding back!
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[01:02:48] <SpallsHurgenson2> oh wait... maybe not
[01:02:50] <BadCoderFinger> Only I can't think of any just yet. But that doesn't mean I won't!
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[01:03:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Medical Device Hijacking as Vector into Hospital Networks - http://sylnt.us - one-device-to-pown-them-all
[01:05:17] <SpallsHurgenson> well, I'm sure all these hacking problems will be solved once the Internet-of-Things gets here
[01:07:51] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, security will be the first priority. Just like wifi.
[01:08:56] <SpallsHurgenson> speaking of hacking, anyone find the timing of the claim that the russians have cracked Snowden's data-cache a bit suspicious following the US OPM hack just a few days earlier?
[01:10:29] <BadCoderFinger> Nooooooooo. I'm sure they're exceptionally honest about their exploits.
[01:10:59] <SpallsHurgenson> "all our agents are compromised! damn that snowden!"
[01:16:13] <n1_> SpallsHurgenson, interesting point
[01:16:35] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm sorry, it won't happen again
[01:17:05] * SpallsHurgenson thwacks himself with his own hobbling stick
[01:17:20] <n1_> it does seem like something is going to come of all this recently, momentum on 'data breaches' does seem to be increasing
[01:17:30] <n1_> publicly anyway
[01:18:06] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, privately they'll be known as Anti-Snowden techniques.
[01:18:30] <SpallsHurgenson> you know, even if it is true that the Russians cracked the encryption, this would probably still reflect badly on the NSA since they are probably the ones who wrote the damn cipher to begin with :)
[01:19:00] <BadCoderFinger> There really isn't any answer they can make to save face.
[01:19:23] <SpallsHurgenson> See? This is why we need STRONGER encryption, not weaker :) :) :)
[01:19:44] <n1_> http://www.zerohedge.com
[01:20:22] <SpallsHurgenson> that's why I keep all my personal information beneath my mattress, with my money :)
[01:22:16] <n1_> logical
[01:22:26] <BadCoderFinger> Also visible on the webcam.
[01:22:44] <SpallsHurgenson> downside is that I have a hard time remembering my name and address without going into the bedroom first :)
[01:22:56] <BadCoderFinger> That's what tattoos are for!
[01:25:09] <SpallsHurgenson> need to start holding these businesses accountable for these breaches. Let's put a $5 value on each piece of info (name=$5, address=$5, phone=$5, etc.) and if it is stolen, they need to pay back each customer the total of all the info stolen. We'll see 'em start to protect that info then :)
[01:25:35] <SpallsHurgenson> (or just stop collecting it, which works too :)
[01:26:25] <cmn32480> SpallHurgenson - You ever gonna tell us why you are hobbling? OR shoudl we guess that a girl kicked you in the nads?
[01:27:13] <SpallsHurgenson> oh that. I sprained or twisted or did something nasty to my ankle. hurts like the dickens but it lets me carry a big stick so it all evens out :)
[01:28:07] * SpallsHurgenson thwacks cmn32480 for no particular reason other than I enjoy a good thwacking :)
[01:28:46] * cmn32480 reads "Little girls kicked me in the nads"
[01:31:13] <SpallsHurgenson> stop foisting your own fantasies onto me :)
[01:34:16] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, what you need is a sword stick.... turn from hobbling cripple into SWOOSH "you want some" ninja... for some reason those things are illegal here in the UK. I'm beginning to think everything is illegal in the UK.
[01:34:38] <SpallsHurgenson> they're illegal here too. I checked :)
[01:35:00] <SpallsHurgenson> (well, illegal to carry around in public, not own... but what's the point of the latter if you can't do the former?)
[01:36:34] <SpallsHurgenson> the cops also get upset if you walk around with a 5' long broadsword strapped to your back. :)
[01:37:38] <cmn32480> they get upset... but can't do anythign about it
[01:37:52] <cmn32480> as long as open carry is legal in your state
[01:39:31] <juggs> It kinda makes sense here, where carrying an offensive weapon in public is frowned on. But for you... sure you can open carry a side arm, but that sword in a cane... ooh noo far too lethal.. Shouldn't a sword come under a constitutional right to bear arms? Did the constitution define arms as gunpowder powered munitions? Seems a sword is a valid armament (provided one has a concealed carry permit for a sword in a cane). Interesting test case for so
[01:39:31] <juggs> me bored lawyer.
[01:40:26] <SpallsHurgenson> many states ban blades beyond a certain length
[01:40:40] <SpallsHurgenson> even Texas :)
[01:42:29] <BadCoderFinger> Seems a bit silly, since protesters walk around with loaded ARs.
[01:42:49] <juggs> Idiotcracy. sure carry a firearm of any type as long as it does not have full auto fire. A sword.... nooo that's far too dangerous to be allowed out in public, you could take your own eye out before being shot to death.
[01:42:51] <SpallsHurgenson> there's no National Sword Association :)
[01:43:07] <BadCoderFinger> Sounds like we should start one.
[01:43:38] <BadCoderFinger> Membership fees should be quite high, since I want to be wealthy.
[01:43:39] <SpallsHurgenson> bonus: we could sue the NSA over the right to the intialism :)
[01:44:08] <BadCoderFinger> They'd claim prior art, plus theirs is probably an encrypted trade name anyway.
[01:44:27] <juggs> We'd need ACLU or EFF on side for the legal challenges that would come from that. But Swordsmen of SoylentNews sounds cool :D
[01:44:34] <SpallsHurgenson> !rot13 NSA
[01:44:37] <BadCoderFinger> Which they can't reveal in court, therefore we lose because, um, national security and stuff.
[01:44:44] <SpallsHurgenson> bah, useless bots :)
[01:45:14] <BadCoderFinger> juggs: And what are soylent swords made of? Heh.
[01:45:51] <juggs> Unobtanium. They'll be up in the soylent store once we get past this legal hurdle.
[01:46:13] <BadCoderFinger> Handles made of unlikelium.
[01:46:50] <BadCoderFinger> You have to polish with uncommonium.
[01:49:16] <juggs> Nah, the polishing comes with regular use decapitating foes. That provides a genuine patina to the finish that no polishing compound can give.
[01:50:17] * juggs twirls with duel wielded sais
[01:50:37] <BadCoderFinger> "duel" I see what you did there.
[01:51:50] <juggs> yes, indeed... that was absolutely an auto-correct failure. Care to dual? Twin sighs all round!
[01:52:00] <BadCoderFinger> Heh!
[01:52:11] <juggs> See.. there it goes again
[01:53:02] * NCommander waves
[01:53:09] <BadCoderFinger> Hey NC
[01:53:21] <juggs> Are you less soggy now NC?
[01:53:21] <NCommander> BadCoderFinger, how goes it?
[01:53:26] <NCommander> juggs, I'm mostly dry
[01:53:54] <BadCoderFinger> Sunday evening here, I still have beer, so it's still weekend. How are you?
[01:54:16] <NCommander> BadCoderFinger, rewriting the documentation for rehash :/
[01:54:34] <BadCoderFinger> Docs? On Sunday evening? Ouch.
[01:56:38] <BadCoderFinger> At work, all our docs are Word (ugh) that gets checked into svn (double ugh).
[01:58:44] <juggs> That sound ugly BadCoderFinger :( Let's just go back and look at these .doc files from 15 years ago.... unable to open.
[01:59:30] <juggs> Das is nicht gut
[02:00:09] <BadCoderFinger> How the heck am I supposed to do a diff? Bleh.
[02:00:24] <SpallsHurgenson> that's why I store everything in EBCDIC text files
[02:00:45] <BadCoderFinger> That'll teach them!
[02:19:26] * SpallsHurgenson is opposed to teaching... that'll just increase their knowledge and power!
[02:19:34] * SpallsHurgenson makes 'em go on IRC instead
[02:22:23] <paulej72> binary files in svn. i think i puked a little
[02:23:42] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, it's evil. I'd love to do LaTeX or markdown instead.
[02:24:32] <chromas> xml
[02:24:49] <cmn32480> put all your doc into a wiki
[02:24:55] <cmn32480> jugg's ll help get it set up!
[02:25:42] <BadCoderFinger> We have a wiki... that nobody uses.
[02:26:33] <cmn32480> funny... SN has one of those too
[02:29:49] <paulej72> we have two of them :)
[02:30:57] <cmn32480> two??? where is the second? Don't tell em ther eis a dev wiki too
[02:31:38] <paulej72> admin wiki super secret
[02:32:14] <cmn32480> ah... so the one that only the superadmins care about
[02:36:39] <BadCoderFinger> It has all the secrets!
[02:37:42] <BadCoderFinger> Nuclear launch codes, that sort of thing.
[02:38:20] <cmn32480> dear god... it has been a very long time since I played Half-Life. this is all SirFinkus's fault
[02:38:57] <SpallsHurgenson> try the "Black Mesa" add-on... same fun gameplay, far better graphics :)
[02:39:17] <SpallsHurgenson> http://www.blackmesasource.com
[02:39:18] <systemd> ^ 03Black Mesa: Re-visit the world that started the Half-Life continuum
[02:40:24] <BadCoderFinger> Nice!
[02:40:56] <SpallsHurgenson> dunno if they ever finished it though; when I played it, the mod ended right when you got to Xen
[02:41:28] <cmn32480> at 3.07GB... it better be done
[02:42:42] <SpallsHurgenson> even if its not, you still get your money's worth.
[02:44:09] <cmn32480> free?
[02:44:11] <cmn32480> yeah
[02:44:35] <cmn32480> there is also the re-release of the original game with the Source Engine
[02:44:58] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah, but it isn't a very good upgrade
[02:45:31] <cmn32480> dunno
[02:45:37] <cmn32480> it's all kinda nostalgic for me
[02:45:41] <SpallsHurgenson> actually, I thought the original with the high-res texture pack from Blue Shift was better looking :)
[02:45:54] <cmn32480> that was in the pack from last night too
[02:56:36] * SpallsHurgenson waits as windows slowly rebuilds its icon cache that it ever so thoughtfully deleted for no reason
[02:59:24] * JamesNZ hugs his beloved Fedora
[02:59:55] <cmn32480> Don't! You'll crush your hat. And they are a bitch to get back in shape.
[03:00:28] <SpallsHurgenson> well, its not like it has to recreate the thumbnails on thousands of huge graphic files stored on a slow network drive. Because that would be annoying.
[03:02:11] <SpallsHurgenson> and it certainly isn't as if this happens several times a week for no apparent reason, because that would be aggravating
[03:03:13] <SpallsHurgenson> fortunately, windows is anything /but/ aggravating
[03:05:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hacking of Federal Security Forms Much Worse than Originally Thought - http://sylnt.us - hiring-spree-commences-in-3...2...1...
[03:10:38] <SpallsHurgenson> if only there were some way to control which people get access to what data...
[03:15:49] * SpallsHurgenson hobbles off to bed 'cause his ankle hurts
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[03:59:20] <Bytram> !uid
[03:59:21] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5513, owned by nebular
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[05:37:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Krita's Kickstarter Was a Success; Prepare to be Second-Fastest, Photoshop - http://sylnt.us - zoom-zoom
[06:18:26] <JamesNZ> krita++
[06:18:26] <Bender> karma - krita: 1
[07:12:28] <arti> hopefully it'll succeed
[07:16:03] <crutchy> as long as they don't name their company krita.com it might have a chance
[07:16:59] <crutchy> http://tech.slashdot.org
[07:17:00] <systemd> ^ 03North Korea Blocks Data Access For Foreigners - Slashdot ( http://slashdot.org )
[07:17:01] <JamesNZ> I think they're an organization rather than a company.
[07:19:04] <crutchy> how's australia's eastern territory? :D
[07:19:46] <crutchy> maybe we should 'pull a putin'
[07:38:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 68 Katy – 68000 Linux on a Solderless Breadboard - http://sylnt.us - schematics?-forget-it
[07:55:51] * crutchy feels dirty now
[07:56:21] <crutchy> i actually wrote a SN comment advocating tougher regulations of coal power plants :/
[07:56:40] * crutchy looks for the 'delete comment' button
[07:57:04] * JamesNZ tosses crutchy into an acid bath
[07:57:14] <JamesNZ> That should clean you up :D
[07:59:51] * crutchy should go beg for forgiveness from his masters that feed his family and fill his lungs with soot
[08:02:49] <JamesNZ> You don't work in the mines do you?
[08:03:11] <crutchy> nah. i just live next to them
[08:03:19] <JamesNZ> Ah, right.
[08:03:58] <crutchy> i work for one of the many maggety consultancies that tend to spring up around lange industrial centers :p
[08:04:06] <crutchy> *large
[08:04:39] <JamesNZ> Heh.
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[09:09:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Geeksphone Stops Support for FirefoxOS with No Warning - http://sylnt.us - marketing-1-customer-0
[10:09:31] <TheMightyLaptop> coffee++
[10:09:31] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1431
[10:40:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 90 Year Old Sailing Ship Puts Half of Iceland's Coast Guard Out of Action - http://sylnt.us - they-don't-make-'em-like-they-used-to
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[12:17:25] <Gravis> "be respectful of others"? loophole, i didn't say i could disrespect myself!
[12:18:00] <janrinok> hi guys
[12:18:09] <Gravis> ha! i'll close the tab on me and you can't even stop me!
[12:18:11] <Gravis> muahahhaha
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[12:21:02] <AndyTheAbsurd> hi janrinok
[12:21:16] <janrinok> hi AndyTheAbsurd , how's things?
[12:21:16] <ciri> run everyone! janrinok
[12:21:20] <AndyTheAbsurd> that interlude from Gravis was...odd.
[12:21:33] <janrinok> I just caught the last 2 or three lines
[12:21:49] <AndyTheAbsurd> there was only three lines to it.
[12:23:07] <janrinok> ah, then it was odd
[12:23:57] <AndyTheAbsurd> Also, these instructions provided to me apparently only work for either a Mac or Windows 8.1.
[12:24:12] <AndyTheAbsurd> My work machine runs Windows 7 Enterprise. :-|
[12:24:13] <janrinok> .... now you've lost me aain
[12:24:21] <janrinok> again*
[12:24:46] * AndyTheAbsurd is complaining about cow-orkers not using *nix like normal people.
[12:25:05] * AndyTheAbsurd also realizes that he may have a highly skewed definition of "normal"
[12:25:12] <janrinok> I hate people who ork cows
[12:26:08] * janrinok wonders if he should log out and log back in again...
[12:42:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How Microsoft Squashed FOSS in Voting Systems in the USA - http://sylnt.us - conflict-of-interest
[14:13:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US Congress Attempts to Close Loopholes and Block Funding for NSA Surveillance - http://sylnt.us - sudden-outbreak-of-common-sense?
[15:44:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Encrypted Messaging Service Stops Answering 'Warrant Canary' Questions - http://sylnt.us - sylvester-vs.-tweety-bird
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[17:15:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Researchers Design Sonar-Based Contactless Sleep Monitoring - http://sylnt.us - knows-when-you've-been-sleeping...-knows-when-you're-awake...
[18:08:40] janrinok|afk is now known as janrinok
[18:10:40] <AndyTheAbsurd> it's quiet in here.
[18:10:55] * AndyTheAbsurd waits for ciri to be a jackass.
[18:17:06] * n1_ kicks ciri
[18:28:17] <cmn32480> <cricket>
[18:28:20] <cmn32480> <cricket>
[18:28:27] * cmn32480 bats at the tumbleweedws
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[18:42:48] <mechanicjay> summer vacation time has officially begun
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[18:46:41] <AndyTheAbsurd> yay vacation!
[18:47:02] * AndyTheAbsurd is on vacation as of Friday at lunchtime
[18:54:00] <n1_> freedom!
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[19:17:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - FBI-Seized MegaUpload Domain Still in Limbo after DNS Hijacking - http://sylnt.us - it's-almost-funny
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[20:31:33] <Bytram> !uid
[20:31:33] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5517, owned by mesfet
[20:31:41] <Bytram> coffee++
[20:31:41] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1432
[20:31:49] <Bytram> ~weather rochester
[20:31:50] <exec> 03Rochester, NY, USA - currently 73°F, cloudy, wind NW at 5 mph, humidity 86% - Monday scattered showers (66°F-76°F), Tuesday scattered showers (55°F-78°F), Wednesday mostly sunny (60°F-75°F), Thursday scattered thunderstorms (57°F-79°F)
[20:31:58] <paulej72> ~weather
[20:31:59] <exec> 03Princeton, NJ, USA - currently 87°F / 31°C, partly cloudy, wind W at 7 mph, humidity 59% - Monday isolated thunderstorms (66°F-86°F / 19°C-30°C), Tuesday scattered thunderstorms (63°F-90°F / 17°C-32°C), Wednesday mostly sunny (60°F-83°F / 16°C-28°C), Thursday showers (64°F-77°F / 18°C-25°C)
[20:32:06] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[20:32:07] <exec> 03Boston, MA, USA - currently 55°F, light drizzle, wind E at 16 mph, humidity 93% - Monday scattered showers (54°F-58°F), Tuesday scattered thunderstorms (63°F-77°F), Wednesday partly cloudy (55°F-70°F), Thursday cloudy (62°F-71°F)
[20:32:10] <Bytram> ~weather portland, me
[20:32:11] <exec> 03Portland, ME, USA - currently 56°F, cloudy, wind S at 9 mph, humidity 87% - Monday scattered showers (52°F-58°F), Tuesday scattered thunderstorms (58°F-71°F), Wednesday sunny (55°F-76°F), Thursday mostly cloudy (57°F-70°F)
[20:32:14] <Bytram> ~weather presque isle
[20:32:15] <exec> 03Presque Isle, ME, USA - currently 75°F, sunny, wind S at 17 mph, humidity 37% - Monday mostly cloudy (54°F-75°F), Tuesday scattered showers (48°F-67°F), Wednesday sunny (52°F-72°F), Thursday partly cloudy (54°F-73°F)
[20:32:48] <Bytram> warmer and clearer as one heads north?!!
[20:33:01] <paulej72> wow that is some shitty weather
[20:33:03] <Bytram> must be storm front spinning on the south side
[20:33:05] <Bytram> nod nod
[20:33:13] <mechanicjay> ~weather
[20:33:14] <exec> 03Madison, NJ, USA - currently 79°F / 26°C, thunderstorm, wind NE at 11 mph, humidity 88% - Monday isolated thunderstorms (66°F-86°F / 19°C-30°C), Tuesday scattered thunderstorms (63°F-89°F / 17°C-32°C), Wednesday partly cloudy (60°F-83°F / 16°C-28°C), Thursday showers (64°F-73°F / 18°C-23°C)
[20:33:18] <Bytram> paulej72: I followed up on your request to check all the links on the main page...
[20:33:28] <mechanicjay> gah -- how do I change my location again?
[20:33:36] <Bytram> used a nifty tool called Xenu link sleuth... heard of it?
[20:33:45] <paulej72> no
[20:34:11] <Bytram> found 1 dead link; 4 links without a charset specified; and one link that claims it's iso-8859-1 (IIRC)
[20:34:33] <Bytram> runs on windows; available here: http://home.snafu.de
[20:34:35] <systemd> ^ 03Find broken links on your site with Xenu's Link Sleuth (TM)
[20:35:04] <Bytram> I set it to check to a depth of ONE link; do not follow external links, and excluded the logout link on the main page
[20:35:21] <paulej72> ok, but what I am more worried about, is do the links go to the mainpge when they should go to the nexus page and vice versa
[20:35:22] <Bytram> I did not specify any login credentials, so it performed the scan as an AC
[20:36:08] <paulej72> also do links in the messages go to the correct places as well.
[20:36:08] <Bytram> I didn't see anything obviously wrong with that; I did see a redirect for a breaking news link, though! =)
[20:36:22] <Bytram> messages?
[20:36:46] <paulej72> https://soylentnews.org
[20:36:46] <systemd> ^✓ 03Log In
[20:36:53] <Bytram> like if I get a message for a reply or for comment moderation, that kind of stuff?
[20:36:58] <Bytram> nod nod
[20:37:28] <Bytram> this was a first try and I only went to a depth of 1 as an AC, so there would be no messages for that user.
[20:37:53] <paulej72> article.pl has a specific part of the code which will redirect to the correct nexus if given an incorrect one.
[20:38:12] <Bytram> I *think* I have a way to go in as a logged in user, but I'm leery about setting depth=2 ... that will pull a whole bunch of stuff... oh? hrmmm.
[20:38:39] * Bytram wishes he had a faster connection and a larger hard disk
[20:38:42] <paulej72> What I need to find out is do we fix it at link or add code like this to redirect at the view.
[20:39:22] <Bytram> I'm kinda following you; can you give an example?
[20:41:07] <paulej72> look at the story list https://soylentnews.org the Philae lander url is given as https://soylentnews.org but since it is braking news the real url is https://soylentnews.org
[20:41:10] <systemd> ^ 03- SoylentNews User ( https://soylentnews.org )
[20:41:10] <systemd> ^ 03SN article: Philae Comet Lander has Woken Up Again 04(7 comments) ( https://soylentnews.org )
[20:41:34] <Bytram> okay, I'm following that!
[20:42:02] <Bytram> so, are you saying that is a bug?
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[20:43:54] <paulej72> yes it is a bug, but one fixed by the code in article.pl. As far as I am aware comment.pl does not have this feature. so a replay message in the inbox, can have the wrong links. Although they may work, I would rather keep nexus stuff in the correct nexus.
[20:45:36] <Bytram> so, actually point directly to the *right* place, instead of going off to the wrong place and getting redirected back to where it should have gone originally.
[20:45:39] <paulej72> the other issue is that certain things are always site specific. Only one set of user pages, only one subscribe page.
[20:46:40] <Bytram> I'm not seeing how those two being site-specific would be a problem?
[20:47:21] <paulej72> also we will need to show on the author pages the specific authors on that nexus. That code will need to be done when we fix up nexus specific authors.
[20:47:49] <Bytram> backing up to the prior point, what I'm hearing is we want a one-to-one correspondence between the link and the 'destination'
[20:48:24] <Bytram> so there should be one, and ONLY one, link that takes me to the philae story.
[20:48:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Russia, China Alledgedly Crack Snowden Files - http://sylnt.us - he-said,-she-said
[20:48:41] <paulej72> if possible, or if not make sure the page that link goes to handles the issue correctly
[20:48:42] <Bytram> Uniform Resource Identifier
[20:49:33] <paulej72> it may be that the db hit to create the correct link might be computationally porhibited given our current db structure
[20:50:07] <Bytram> emphasis on the word Identifier, as in how it is refered to.
[20:50:36] <Bytram> but if we have the right link in the first place, we avoid having to do a 'rewrite' each time it is referenced in the 'wrong' location.
[20:50:47] <Bytram> is that the gist of it?
[20:51:15] <paulej72> sure, but that may be faster than a really nasty db query.
[20:51:39] * Bytram has never really looked closely at the message page voodoo
[20:52:32] <Bytram> or, we should create the correct link in the first place, right?
[20:52:41] <paulej72> we had reports of bad links when we switched to rehash
[20:52:54] <Bytram> yeah, I kind of remember that
[20:53:02] * Bytram is a bit weak on the details, though.
[20:53:27] <Bytram> I'm toying with an idea...
[20:53:34] <Bytram> how are your wget skills?
[20:53:35] <ciri> not sure
[20:53:48] <paulej72> creating the correct link would be the best, but if it requies too much db queries to accomplish (data for a link could be in 3 or more tables) then we go with what we got.
[20:54:32] <Bytram> well, I'd hope that any link is useful enough that enough people would hit it to make it right the first time, no?
[20:54:42] <paulej72> usually only use wget to download stuff on servers through ssh
[20:54:48] <Bytram> k
[20:54:59] <Bytram> I'm thinking out loud here, so bear with me
[20:55:43] <Bytram> I'm thinking that we could use wget to spider the site and retrieve things down to a certain depth, with certain URLs excluded.
[20:56:14] <Bytram> depending on where we start, and make use of the --no-parent arg, one can pull 'chunks' of stuff on the site
[20:56:31] <Bytram> problem is, any automagication is a total ROYAL pain if the UI changes
[20:57:01] * Bytram has worked on at least 4 different automated testing suites, and written a couple of his own.
[20:57:47] <Bytram> we need to have the UI pretty rock solid to make it worthwhile, or else it'll take more time to update the tests to try and keep them in synch.
[20:58:21] <Bytram> perhaps the hardest part is that we don not have a spec as to what the site is supposed to do!
[20:58:43] <Bytram> I took a stab at documenting all the inputs/outputs on the site here: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[20:58:44] <systemd> ^ 03SN (dev) article: Testing Factors for Character Entity and UTF-8 fixes
[21:00:13] <Bytram> there's an additional permutation to add in as to whether the user is: [AC | regular-logged-in-user | subscriber | editor | super-user]
[21:00:36] <Bytram> each of those can change the UI significantly and the results must be parsed accordingly.
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[21:01:15] * Bytram notes he's not intending to complain, but using this opportunity to perform some brainstorming and try to get a handle on what all the permutations are
[21:03:28] <paulej72> Well it look by that page I need to fix a few more posible missing filters. (one from the users prefs)
[21:04:04] <Bytram> orly? Jogged some memories?
[21:04:13] <Bytram> nice!
[21:04:54] * Bytram hears stomach growl; goes to make dinner
[21:04:55] <Bytram> afk
[21:05:01] <paulej72> OK gtg. i'll be back around 8ish
[21:05:07] <Bytram> nod nod
[21:05:30] <Bytram> really nice chatting with ya, and I gotta say you have been one BUSY guy the past few days...
[21:05:36] <Bytram> thanks a BUNCH for all the hard work!
[21:05:47] <Bytram> paulej72: c u l8r
[21:13:36] <n1_> "we just publish what we believe to be the position of the British government." - Sunday Times Journalist on 'China/Russia cracking snowden files'
[21:13:44] <n1_> journalism these days... same as it ever way
[21:13:46] <n1_> was
[21:21:00] <Bytram> ISTR a different time; Pentagon Papers, Watergate, etc.
[21:23:08] <n1_> "It's obviously allegation at the moment, from our point of view. And it's really for the British government to defend it. "
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[22:02:48] <Bytram> http://feedproxy.google.com
[22:02:50] <systemd> ^ 03Watch a meter maid lift illegally parked cabs off the ground - CNET ( http://www.cnet.com )
[22:03:40] * Bytram is reminded of 'The Binoic Man' (AND woman)
[22:04:20] <Bytram> break time, back in a bit
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[22:18:01] <crutchy> ++coffee
[22:18:01] <systemd> Karma - coffee: 287
[22:18:01] <crutchy> coffee++
[22:18:01] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1433
[22:26:47] <paulej72> 6 million dollar man and the bionic woman
[22:28:17] <crutchy> lol "SpaceX is altering the market for government-sponsored rocket launches"
[22:28:18] <ciri> i missed it, what are you laughing at? >.>
[22:28:31] <crutchy> the irony of that quote, ciri
[22:32:27] <crutchy> a single customer doesn't really make a 'market'
[22:33:31] <n1_> i think you'll find it does now
[22:34:01] <n1_> as government must outsource everything to the private sector, there's lots of different companies competing over that single customer
[22:34:55] <n1_> maybe it's just the market is the other way around? lots of competition for a single client, i guess it's to see who has the most efficient revolving door
[22:42:38] <takyon> SpaceX is committed to lowering the cost of spaceflight
[22:42:53] <takyon> Musk has spurned Boeing/ULA/Lockheed into action
[22:44:38] <n1_> it would surely be easier to use regulations to fuck spacex out of existence
[22:44:55] <n1_> or maybe they'll do that after musk/spacex has finished doing the useful work
[22:45:41] <SirFinkus> air conditioning is awesome
[22:49:19] <takyon> it's a little late now that SpaceX and Boeing are being fed money for manned launches
[22:50:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Linux Kernel 2.6 Nears End of Life; Upgrade Advised - http://sylnt.us - thanks-for-all-the-fish
[22:53:40] <Bytram> crutchy: hey there! Just a quick question before I need to head out for the evening...
[22:53:44] <SirFinkus> Boeing is basically government owned at this point
[22:54:01] <SirFinkus> rather, the government is basically Boeing owned
[22:54:22] <Bytram> in the #github channel, I didn't notice any mention when I submitted two rehsh defects today... do you not track new bug reports (or updates thereto)??
[22:55:30] <SirFinkus> email directly to Torvalds
[22:55:38] <SirFinkus> what could possibly go wrong
[23:02:07] <rune> Bytram, I'm guessing like any larger project they get a lot of bug reports and have a system to vet and then approve to list. Probably will take a week or two at least.
[23:02:26] <rune> Or I could be completely wrong. Just my thought.
[23:05:07] <Bytram> rune: separate thing.... we have a channel on our IRC server which reports various activities on github... I just noticed that it DOES report on fixes and the like, but did not seem to report NEW bugs arriving.
[23:05:10] <Bytram> IIRC, that's a bot that crutchy wrote.
[23:05:26] <Bytram> then again, that's based on my limited understanding, so I could be all wet with that one, too!
[23:05:28] <rune> Bytram, copy that, sorry.
[23:05:32] <Bytram> np!
[23:05:48] <Bytram> rune: I appreciate the feedback and suggestion.
[23:05:57] <rune> Anytime.
[23:06:15] <Bytram> I'm a firm believer in that it is better to report something that "everybody knows" than to leave it out and find out that nobody did!
[23:06:27] <Bytram> anyway, I really got to go atm;
[23:06:33] <rune> Grab me a $20.
[23:06:35] <Bytram> might be able to check back in tonight, but not sure.
[23:06:40] <Bytram> lol
[23:06:40] <ciri> HEHEHEHE
[23:06:45] <Bytram> atm == At The Moment
[23:06:51] <Bytram> or you were just yanking my chain
[23:06:53] <rune> Oh, that ATM.
[23:06:57] <rune> Both.
[23:06:58] <Bytram> =)
[23:07:04] <Bytram> l8rs!
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[23:28:30] <BadCoderFinger> Hi guys
[23:28:31] <ciri> well well well BadCoderFinger
[23:30:35] <SirFinkus> hello
[23:30:35] <ciri> well well well SirFinkus
[23:31:54] <BadCoderFinger> Hey SirFinkus, how are you?
[23:32:00] <SirFinkus> decent
[23:32:31] * SirFinkus is running optipng on 450MB of pngs
[23:32:54] <BadCoderFinger> Heh, might be a few minutes.
[23:33:15] <SirFinkus> I'm running with -o7 too
[23:33:20] <SirFinkus> because I'm a masochist
[23:33:51] <BadCoderFinger> Woohoo!
[23:33:56] <BadCoderFinger> What's htop show?
[23:34:09] <SirFinkus> what do you think lol
[23:34:47] <SirFinkus> I'm getting 30% size reduction though
[23:38:05] <BadCoderFinger> That's worth it.
[23:40:17] <takyon> wut
[23:44:28] <SirFinkus> ?
[23:45:06] <BadCoderFinger> takyon: optipng recompresses png graphics files, often making them much smaller.
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[23:46:25] <takyon> How would it handle a JPEG photograph of a house resaved as PNG?
[23:47:37] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[23:47:43] <systemd> ^ 03Microsoft finally finishes its PowerPC emulator • The Register
[23:47:45] <BadCoderFinger> No, but imagemagick or graphicsmagick will convert it, and then you can optipng it.
[23:48:45] <takyon> I meant, what is the compression advantage in a scenario where PNG is not the ideal format
[23:49:40] <Landon> ARE WE TALKING ABOUT COMPRESSION TECHNOLOGY
[23:49:41] <Landon> I KNOW THIS
[23:49:59] <Landon> jpeg resaved as png = go fuck yourself
[23:50:01] * BadCoderFinger senses excitement, somehow.
[23:50:56] <SirFinkus> PNG works for my use case
[23:51:22] <SirFinkus> always been PNG, doing a lossy -> lossless conversion would be retarded
[23:54:03] <BadCoderFinger> SirFinkus: Not necessarily: When I use jpeg sources, I always convert to PNG. That way they don't degrade further.
[23:54:27] <mechanicjay> BadCoderFinger: Indeed, I've done the same
[23:54:36] <BadCoderFinger> Of course I also use G'MIC in GIMP to clean them up, heh.
[23:54:59] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[23:55:00] <systemd> ^ 03Stratosphere protects WASP's hot body, say boffins • The Register
[23:55:13] <takyon> Since the planet is far too hot for the ozone around Earth or hydrocarbons around Jupiter and Saturn, the NASA researchers suspect the exoplanet's stratosphere, and possibly its rain, are the molecule titanium oxide.
[23:55:57] <SirFinkus> Output file size = 2236095 bytes (1557 bytes = 0.07% decrease)
[23:55:59] <SirFinkus> WORTH IT
[23:56:11] <BadCoderFinger> Heh!