#Soylent | Logs for 2015-06-08

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[00:02:01] <Landon> crutchy: hah, I was just talking about that today :)
[00:02:07] <Landon> specifically, lovett's taxes
[00:02:41] <Landon> er, lovell?
[00:02:43] <Landon> no, swigert
[00:02:51] <crutchy> between jack's back taxes and the fred haise show, i'd say that was a pretty successful broadcast
[00:02:53] <Landon> I never connected the dots that he just didn't file because he wasn't expecting to go
[00:02:58] * Landon goes to bed
[00:02:59] <Landon> too late for me
[00:03:19] <crutchy> i think i seen that movie so many times just about every line is burned into memory
[00:03:55] <crutchy> actually the best part of the whole movie isn't even in the movie
[00:04:07] <SpallsHurgenson> that statement hurts my brain
[00:04:41] <crutchy> i have the two disc special ed
[00:04:53] <crutchy> its on the second disc
[00:05:28] <Landon> crutchy: I could have probably recited it back in 5th grade
[00:05:37] <Landon> doesn't mean I understood it though apparently :P
[00:05:43] <Gravis> crutchy: pacemakers only activate when there is an irregular heartbeat.
[00:05:53] <crutchy> lol
[00:05:53] <ciri> i missed it, what are you laughing at? >.>
[00:06:50] <SpallsHurgenson> if you don't have an irregular heartbeat, what are you doing with a pacemaker? give it back!
[00:07:48] <Landon> I use it to keep pace for the marathon!
[00:11:20] <SpallsHurgenson> I have too many responses to that to be able to pick one
[00:12:12] <artificial> just like congress
[00:13:11] <crutchy> Landon, my favourite part of apollo 13 is this bit: https://www.youtube.com
[00:13:12] <systemd> ^ 03Apollo 13 extra materiel - The Lost Moon - YouTube
[00:13:23] <crutchy> prolly cos its the real deal
[00:13:49] <artificial> http://io9.com
[00:13:49] <systemd> ^ 03That Time Penis Bravado Caused NASA to Change its Condom Sizes
[00:15:53] <crutchy> lol
[00:16:01] <crutchy> gotta love the first comment
[00:16:05] <crutchy> "Do astronauts even get boners while in space?"
[00:17:26] <artificial> #gigantic
[00:21:37] -!- Gravis has quit [Quit: Web client closed]
[00:22:50] * Ceefbake feels like he missed out on some convers... never mind, more o' that ipv6 stuff he just doesn't get
[00:23:21] <SpallsHurgenson> ipv6 is easy; it's just like ipv4 except you add 2
[00:23:53] <Ceefbake> uh huh...
[00:23:58] <artificial> yeah 2x to the length
[00:24:03] <SpallsHurgenson> would I ever lead you astray?
[00:24:19] <artificial> https://www.youtube.com
[00:24:21] <systemd> ^ 03Spaceballs - Fooled You! - YouTube
[00:25:03] * SpallsHurgenson isn't sure if that "2x to the length" comment by artificial was in response to the IPv6 conversation or the condom conversation...
[00:26:03] <cmn32480> both perhaps?
[00:26:37] <SpallsHurgenson> <--- mind blown!
[00:26:53] <cmn32480> it was a very small explosion
[00:27:06] <Ceefbake> that's what she said.
[00:32:00] <SpallsHurgenson> it seems to be getting darker
[00:32:45] <cmn32480> that happens occassionally when the sun goes down
[00:33:15] <artificial> spalls, you live in LA?
[00:33:24] <cmn32480> wait a few hours.. the lights will come back up outside, at least I'm pretty sure they will.
[00:35:28] <SpallsHurgenson> "outside"? how can out have a side?
[00:35:43] * SpallsHurgenson is confused by the dimensionality of it all
[00:36:44] <artificial> gaze at your bum, all will be revealed by the wise ass.
[00:37:41] <SpallsHurgenson> hmmm... got a hobo, a vagrant, a wino, a tramp... but no bum
[00:38:10] <artificial> do they walk into a bar?
[00:38:20] <cmn32480> and say "ouch"?
[00:38:34] <SpallsHurgenson> awww, I wanted to make that "joke"
[00:40:18] * crutchy is surprised nobody has yet confused the issue with the concept of front bums
[00:41:54] <artificial> they have to loiter out there otherwise they can't get any
[00:43:30] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm confused again. Are we still talking about IPv6?
[00:44:10] <crutchy> i think we're onto gta and getting bitten while receiving head from a prostitute of insufficient resolution
[00:44:31] <SpallsHurgenson> I think if she's biting you, she's pretty resolved about something
[00:45:10] * SpallsHurgenson crosses his legs
[00:45:28] <artificial> why is the prostitute dealing in body parts? are there lots of transplants occuring?
[00:45:58] <SpallsHurgenson> well, aren't we discussing Grand Theft Anatomy?
[00:46:28] <crutchy> shit i didn't even know they released that. shut up and take my money!
[00:46:29] <ciri> i hope you wiped your ass :)
[00:46:55] <SpallsHurgenson> ciri, !die_in_a_fire
[00:48:32] <crutchy> http://gizmodo.com
[00:48:32] <systemd> ^ 03The Stories of Poop Hidden in NASA's Apollo 10 Mission Transcripts
[00:49:26] <SpallsHurgenson> god almighty
[00:50:54] -!- JamesNZ [JamesNZ!~james@43-567-441-22.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #Soylent
[00:55:24] <crutchy> http://gizmodo.com
[00:55:24] <systemd> ^ 03Here Are The Features Microsoft Is Cutting From Windows 10
[00:56:31] <SpallsHurgenson> more telling is the configuration options that have gone missing in almost every aspect of win10 and its included apps
[00:56:31] <crutchy> nothing really major, but the windows equivalent of the systemd ranters will prolly never let it go
[00:56:57] <SpallsHurgenson> (most recently noted: the inability to uninstall almost all of the pre-installed apps that come with the OS)
[00:56:58] <crutchy> i hate the whole metro interface on a desktop concept
[00:57:16] <crutchy> charms bar and having to type to open programs
[00:57:25] <crutchy> wtf is the point of a mouse then... oh
[00:57:53] <artificial> having to type to open programs? do you even linux?
[00:58:12] * crutchy puts his gnome hat on
[00:58:26] <SpallsHurgenson> what was the other one I saw today? Oh, you cant chose the download location in IE (or spartan or whatever they're calling it now) anymore
[00:58:59] <artificial> edge
[00:59:02] <crutchy> well how can you expect them to be able to spy on what you download if you keep putting them in weird places?
[00:59:31] <artificial> easy, just access the telco or their isp for the dns lookups
[00:59:49] <artificial> just what we need, yapl: http://crystal-lang.org
[01:00:07] <crutchy> nah that would get rand paul all fillibustery
[01:00:22] <SpallsHurgenson> don't see how to lock the desktop or shutdown to standby in win10 anymore either
[01:01:16] <artificial> http://en.wikipedia.org
[01:01:25] <SpallsHurgenson> its not the lack of one or two apps that bothers me... its how the whole OS has become a lot more dumbed down and as restrictive in configurability as a smartphone OS.
[01:01:55] <artificial> it's got electrolytes
[01:02:14] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, can't search for files anymore without simultaneously searching on the web either.
[01:03:16] <crutchy> use the cloud man
[01:03:19] <artificial> so you're using android?
[01:03:21] <crutchy> get high
[01:03:35] <SpallsHurgenson> I usually rage-quit after being forced to use win10 for a while :)
[01:04:39] <crutchy> thankfully my new work pyewta is only a couple of weeks away
[01:04:47] <crutchy> i'll only have to tolerate 8.1
[01:04:59] <Yog-Yogguth> I had to sit through Win8 install for the first time this week. I wonder why they chose such an annoying screen-saver with stupid text and constantly shifting color
[01:05:04] <crutchy> though i'll prolly chuck a debian vbox on it
[01:05:29] <Yog-Yogguth> maybe it'st he same deal as with bad spelling in spam
[01:05:52] <chromas> Sound like Microsoft is learning from Guhnome
[01:06:08] <Yog-Yogguth> Gnome does that as well now?
[01:06:09] <crutchy> or canonical
[01:06:16] <chromas> dumbing down the interface
[01:06:38] <chromas> "Options are confusing; just make the defaults 'correct' and then you don't need to change them"
[01:06:52] <chromas> ^ actual gnome philosophy
[01:06:52] <crutchy> hmm. i thought i was using gnome but its got a xrat on the menu icon so i guess i use xfce
[01:07:18] <SpallsHurgenson> remember, modern corporate thinking is that when sales are slowing because customers hate the direction you are going with your product... the wise company doubles-down and keeps heading in that direction :)
[01:07:22] <JamesNZ> One does not simply mistake XFCE for Gnome.
[01:07:37] <crutchy> i only ever used gnome classic
[01:07:48] <crutchy> looks pretty similar; panels, desktop icons, etc
[01:07:55] <JamesNZ> My point still stands :P
[01:07:58] <chromas> xfce does look similar to gnome 2, which was also on the dumbdown drain
[01:08:28] <SpallsHurgenson> I will grant Windows10 this much... the latest icon set is slightly less horrendous than the one they used in the previous beta
[01:08:36] <artificial> http://www.telegraph.co.uk
[01:08:36] <chromas> Yog-Yogguth: what styling did you put around "screen-saver"?
[01:08:37] <crutchy> i use ssh terminal at work, but that's only to trick my boss into thinking i know shit about stuff :p
[01:08:37] <systemd> ^ 03Colosseum killing machine reconstructed after more than 1,500 years - Telegraph
[01:09:12] <artificial> crutchy: hackertyper.com
[01:09:17] <Yog-Yogguth> chromas: Alt Gr + v = and Alt Gr + b = use shift as well to make single quotes
[01:09:41] <chromas> I get the regular text wrapped in boxes labeled "STS" and "CCM"
[01:09:56] <crutchy> artificial, lmao
[01:09:59] <chromas> Must be a mac thing
[01:10:12] * chromas shuns Yog-Yogguth for using apple
[01:10:18] <Yog-Yogguth> strange I'm using Xchat and the "IRC" latin + UTF combo
[01:10:31] <Yog-Yogguth> not apple here :)
[01:10:36] <SpallsHurgenson> I once almost got arrested for playing "Uplink" in a public place.. nearby store owner thought I was "hacking" his computers
[01:10:37] * chromas opens hexchat
[01:10:43] <chromas> lol
[01:10:43] <ciri> heh
[01:10:49] * crutchy is definitely gunna try that one at work
[01:10:57] <crutchy> (hackertyper)
[01:11:14] <SpallsHurgenson> unfortunately, I've tried the same with hackertyper and nobody complains :)
[01:11:50] * crutchy thinks he'll definitely also have to try it with two people typing on the same kb, ala ncis
[01:13:06] * crutchy watched the first mockingjay movie last night
[01:13:25] <crutchy> every american should watch it :p
[01:13:33] <Bytram> http://phys.org
[01:13:34] <systemd> ^ 03Leaky pipes can allow contaminants into our drinking water ( http://phys.org )
[01:13:49] <SpallsHurgenson> those movies should be classified as warcrimes
[01:14:15] <crutchy> don't worry they will be eventually
[01:15:21] <SpallsHurgenson> well, at least the first one should. my brain refused to allow me to see the sequels
[01:16:13] <crutchy> the first two are kinda lame
[01:16:58] <artificial> you suffered through them with the wifey eh?
[01:17:06] <crutchy> the third is pretty lame too actually, but not bad on the scale of hollywood stupid
[01:17:25] <crutchy> nah i don't mind them
[01:17:44] <crutchy> a hot chick with a bow.what's not to like?
[01:17:50] <artificial> :|
[01:18:03] <artificial> i can't stand her
[01:19:55] <crutchy> i like her (character) cos she's not as transparent as the usual fluffy bullshit in hollywood movies
[01:20:21] <crutchy> but that's just me
[01:20:39] <crutchy> she prolly sucks dick in other movies
[01:20:51] <SpallsHurgenson> tell me more about these other movies
[01:20:57] <crutchy> lol
[01:20:57] <ciri> heh
[01:21:16] <artificial> x-men, sounds like a pejorative
[01:21:29] <artificial> #transjenner
[01:21:52] <crutchy> the title gives away the plot :p
[01:22:35] <crutchy> they'll have to rename it rainbow-men if the movement has its way
[01:25:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apple Is Having Its Microsoft Moment - http://sylnt.us - a-worm-in-an-apple
[01:26:52] <SpallsHurgenson> Apple computers were never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, EVER, ever, ever bug free
[01:27:15] * SpallsHurgenson is still sore - twenty years later - about Classic MacOS
[01:39:33] <artificial> must've been a deep memory
[01:40:25] <SpallsHurgenson> it was less the problems with the OS than the hypocrisy of its developers and users :)
[01:41:10] * crutchy used apple macintosh at school. except for b&w it was pretty cool
[01:41:26] <crutchy> (original)
[01:41:35] <artificial> i learned to type on one
[01:42:02] * crutchy learned to type on an ibm jx with word 2
[01:43:11] <SpallsHurgenson> I never learned to type which is why I use a direct neural sex sex sex boobies interface for all my sex sex sex titties communications. It works just as well sex sex sex chocolate ice cream except for a few minor issues
[01:43:48] * crutchy literally lol'ed at that
[01:44:09] <crutchy> now my daughty is wondering what i was laughing at ...
[01:44:53] <crutchy> !grab SpallsHurgenson
[01:44:53] <Bender> Added quote 531
[01:44:57] <crutchy> phew
[01:45:09] <artificial> no last second line to foil your preservation plans
[01:46:11] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, right, I forgot (sex boobies are my feet supposed to smell like that?) to no grab
[01:46:24] <SpallsHurgenson> please do not haxor my neural interface
[01:46:31] <SpallsHurgenson> the feedback would be lethal
[01:47:16] <SpallsHurgenson> not to me, but to the internet. if my mind were to spew out onto the internet, 80% of internet users would die of shock and horror :)
[01:47:57] <chromas> The Internet's first time on the internet
[01:51:11] * chromas finally gets around to reading that features-dropped-from-win10 article
[01:51:20] <chromas> Did anyone legitimately have windows 7 ultimate?
[01:52:35] <SpallsHurgenson> helpful hint: if you are ever driving around on your motorcycle with an overly-loud muffler and you see a guy on the side of the road squinting at you with his thumb and forefinger 1cm apart, that's me making a generous estimation as to the size of your genitalia
[01:52:36] <artificial> like actually install it?
[01:53:10] <artificial> is it still a muffler if it makes it louder?
[01:54:18] <SpallsHurgenson> good point
[01:54:23] <chromas> was it a fart can?
[01:57:06] <SpallsHurgenson> there is probably a name for it but I tend to call 'em "please pay attention to me I have a small penis" devices :)
[01:58:04] <chromas> Wait, were you indicating he needed an extension or were you pinching him like the Canadians do?
[01:58:47] <SpallsHurgenson> I indicate my opinion of the probable size of his manliness (or lack thereof)
[01:59:33] * chromas can't remember the name of that show; hangs head in shame
[01:59:42] <SpallsHurgenson> Kids In The Hall
[01:59:50] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm crushing your head, CRUSHING YOUR HEAD
[01:59:51] <chromas> kids_in_the_hall++
[01:59:51] <Bender> karma - kids_in_the_hall: 1
[02:00:34] <chromas> Not a great amount of karma, yet still much more than poutine has
[02:01:41] <Ceefbake> kids in the hall: everything every sitcom that came after wanted to be.
[02:04:04] <SpallsHurgenson> we can fix that
[02:04:06] <SpallsHurgenson> kids_in_the_hall++
[02:04:06] <SpallsHurgenson> kids_in_the_hall++
[02:04:06] <Bender> karma - kids_in_the_hall: 2
[02:04:06] <Bender> karma - kids_in_the_hall: 3
[02:04:07] <SpallsHurgenson> kids_in_the_hall++
[02:04:07] <Bender> karma - kids_in_the_hall: 4
[02:04:43] <crutchy> chromas, does OEM count?
[02:04:49] <crutchy> (re windows 7 ultimate)
[02:05:00] <crutchy> oh actually i think that would be pro, not ultimate
[02:05:06] <chromas> Sure; wouldn't expect that to exist but I guess so
[02:10:29] <SpallsHurgenson> I think I had the Windows 7 Starter Basic "We're Microsoft and We Hate You" edition on one of my laptops, does that count? :)
[02:12:47] <artificial> sounds like drugs
[02:13:02] <artificial> "here's your spoon and syringe"
[02:15:42] <Ceefbake> now I know why I don't have Android on my laptop. It doesn't mix with x64.
[02:16:05] <SpallsHurgenson> knowing is half the battle
[02:18:46] <artificial> gi joooooooeeeeeeeeeeee
[02:20:58] <cmn32480> ah shit. Anybody in Jacksonville, FL wanna grab a beer this week?
[02:20:59] <SpallsHurgenson> Action Foooooorce! International Heroes!
[02:22:32] <SpallsHurgenson> no REAL people actually livein Florida
[02:22:54] <SpallsHurgenson> its all gators, tourists, Canadians and animatronics
[02:23:02] <crutchy> it's ironic that the speech from apple's original 1984 advert that then represented ibm probably more closely resembles the apple of today
[02:23:12] <artificial> this weekend is almost over?
[02:23:23] <artificial> crutchy, it's the piles of cash
[02:26:39] <SpallsHurgenson> just wait until Soylent makes its first billion, you'll see the same sort of thing happen to ncommander and the rest :)
[02:28:23] * NCommander screams
[02:28:34] <cmn32480> night all.
[02:29:03] <SpallsHurgenson> sounds like somebody did something bad and forgot to make a backup first
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[02:31:16] <crutchy> wait, do people need a reason to scream?
[02:33:05] <artificial> no, i see hobos do it
[02:33:34] <SpallsHurgenson> https://www.youtube.com
[02:33:34] <systemd> ^ 03APPLE WATCH SUCKS - YouTube
[02:39:00] <Bytram> http://feeds.sciencedaily.com
[02:39:01] <systemd> ^ 03Current mobile contracts damaging the environment -- ScienceDaily ( http://www.sciencedaily.com )
[02:39:08] <SpallsHurgenson> https://www.youtube.com dispels a few of the myths about the 1984 commercial :)
[02:39:10] <systemd> ^ 03The Real Story Behind Apple's Famous '1984' Super Bowl Ad - YouTube
[02:39:15] <Bytram> we obviously need to start nailing them down!
[02:41:00] <SpallsHurgenson> you can tell this was a UK government-sponsored study :) "As an alternative, the researchers propose a 'cloud-based product service system', where the heavy processing and memory storage of mobile devices are moved to a remote server, over the internet. "
[02:43:26] <crutchy> 'and eventually you receive a free implant that allows you to just switch off and allow anyone to remotely control your body for you. who wants to think if you don't have to!'
[02:46:10] <SpallsHurgenson> the game "Syndicate" was originally developed by a British company :)
[02:48:21] <crutchy> the USA was created by a british company
[02:49:07] <Ceefbake> Bullfrog. Same bunch that made Dungeon Keeper, IIRC
[02:49:49] <SpallsHurgenson> Yup, and Syndicate was all about people having chips in their head that let the government control them.
[02:49:56] <SpallsHurgenson> had a kick-ass intro movie though
[02:50:04] <juggs> For such a tiny shitty little island, we sure got around. I guess people wanted to jump in boats and go explore given the former.
[02:50:47] <Ceefbake> DK was one of the founders' last development. One of my favourite retro titles, too
[02:51:23] <SpallsHurgenson> yes, but they got bought out by EA and I'm sure that their legacy lives on :) :) :) :)
[02:51:29] <artificial> Bullfrog++
[02:51:29] <Bender> karma - bullfrog: 1
[02:51:39] <artificial> dungeon keeper is amazing
[02:51:40] <Bytram> jeremiah was a bullfrog!
[02:52:29] <Ceefbake> I'm currently playing a game that has strong echoes of Dungeon Keeper
[02:52:30] <SpallsHurgenson> Populous, Magic Carpet, Syndicate, Theme Park, Syndicate
[02:52:37] <SpallsHurgenson> Dungeon?
[02:53:03] <Ceefbake> Clash of Clans
[02:55:12] <SpallsHurgenson> you could always play the Dungeon Keeper game for iphone and android; that got quite an uproar when it was released :)
[02:56:24] * juggs ponders on just why he is wearing headphones when no sound has emitted from them for a good 2 hours. There's stuff one shouldn't ponder on.... like why Hexchat flags "shouldn't" as a misspelling. Is it trying to undermine my self-confidence?
[02:57:01] <Ceefbake> I still have my first edition DK CD. It actually plays on Windows 7. :D (well, in an XP VM, in 95 compatibility mode. Nested virtual machines for the win)
[02:57:08] * juggs removes headphones
[02:57:28] <SpallsHurgenson> no sound you are aware of; however, Skynet has been secretly outputting subliminal message that you can barely hear, bringing you further under its control
[02:58:01] <Ceefbake> something something something darkside, something something something complete!
[02:58:22] <juggs> That's OK, SkyNet is under SN control. That's a service bot, we think we have it pegged down.
[02:58:51] <chromas> My spellcheck has also been flagging contractions as misspellings lately
[02:59:02] * juggs whacks Ceefbake - I am your father, something, something
[02:59:03] <chromas> For awhile it was always just the first one; now it's all
[03:00:58] <juggs> I've not.. (FFS "I've" flags up to)... looked into it, so not sure if it is Hexchat or the underlying OS dictionary that has gone all wobbly.
[03:01:09] <crutchy> chromas, when are you due?
[03:01:40] <crutchy> hmm. i guess if you're having contractions already it must be soon
[03:01:56] <SpallsHurgenson> and here I thought chromas was just really fat
[03:02:34] <crutchy> it's just the male preoccupation with fatness
[03:02:37] * chromas is overdue
[03:02:48] <SpallsHurgenson> six years overdue
[03:02:48] <chromas> In fact, I'm IRCing from the hospital right now
[03:03:01] <crutchy> is juggs the father?
[03:03:16] <juggs> hextruplets
[03:03:33] <crutchy> cos asm is too high level
[03:03:42] <chromas> it was immaculate
[03:03:55] <crutchy> sounds like an apple product
[03:04:12] <crutchy> spalls must be the father
[03:04:27] <chromas> jobs's spirit impregnated me…from BEYOND THE GRAVE. Wooooooooooohhhh
[03:04:28] <juggs> Oh no, did that Ives bloke go near it?
[03:06:00] <crutchy> juggs, that sounds like a google interview question
[03:07:00] <SpallsHurgenson> !grab chromas
[03:07:00] <Bender> Added quote 532
[03:07:39] <chromas> !grab my pants
[03:07:39] <Bender> I don't think that's a nick....
[03:07:55] <juggs> That sounds all too American and lawsuity of a territory for me.... no interview with these juggs.
[03:07:56] <chromas> I hope nobody shows up at the door then
[03:13:22] <juggs> Good luck to them if they do :D
[03:15:39] * juggs whacks chromas for no good reason
[03:16:06] * chromas 's HP decrements by 53
[03:16:54] <SpallsHurgenson> wow... juggs must've rolled a few 20s in a row
[03:17:35] * juggs chuckles, I haz all the glitches down Spalls!
[03:18:12] <Yog-Yogguth> obscure Wikipedia information of the week: eleven means one left (of ten)
[03:18:14] * juggs is not that funny and knows it.... ~sigh~
[03:18:24] <SpallsHurgenson> actually, I dunno if that rule (20 = critical hit) is still used in modern versions of the game anymore
[03:18:35] <Yog-Yogguth> I think it is, also 100
[03:19:21] * SpallsHurgenson is stuck in 2nd Edition :)
[03:19:49] <Yog-Yogguth> oeth ed here ;) but it always looked nice
[03:19:59] <Yog-Yogguth> 0eth I meant
[03:20:27] <SpallsHurgenson> that doesn't help clarify things at all :)
[03:20:48] <Yog-Yogguth> 0 as in never played :)
[03:21:07] <SpallsHurgenson> oh. please hand in your nerd card and step outside, then
[03:21:14] <Yog-Yogguth> haha :D
[03:21:53] <Yog-Yogguth> tabletitans.com
[03:22:10] <SpallsHurgenson> can you say that in the form of a clickable link? :)
[03:22:29] <Yog-Yogguth> http://tabletitans.com
[03:22:29] <systemd> ^ 03Home - Table Titans
[03:22:54] <SpallsHurgenson> that's better :)
[03:22:56] <Yog-Yogguth> comic but also written accounts that can be quite nice
[03:23:33] <juggs> Where does "one left" (of ten) come from? XI I get.. ten and a one. If eleven is one left of ten are we on a right to left language right now? Do I need to learn the inner workings of Sanskrit? Or is that a top to bottom script... I think I'm fried right now.
[03:23:34] <ciri> somewhere out on the WEB i guess juggs
[03:24:28] <Yog-Yogguth> juggs: germanic then english ainlif https://en.wikipedia.org(number)
[03:24:30] <systemd> ^ 03Wiki: 11 (number)
[03:25:03] <Yog-Yogguth> 10 is one left of 11 in left to right so I guess that's the thought behind it
[03:25:40] <Yog-Yogguth> oops sorry one left after taking away ten it says right there
[03:26:14] <Yog-Yogguth> well that's one mistake perfectly mapped out from start to finish:)
[03:26:41] <juggs> :D No-one is perfect :D
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[03:31:30] <crutchy> those damn binary logs again aint it?
[03:34:13] <artificial> it happens after eating binary food
[03:34:26] <juggs> I am constantly amazed by the uptake of English as the lingua franca (yeh, I know!) - it's a hellish language to learn as secondary or tertiary language. I staff on a game that seems overrun by players from Myanmar (Burma in old speak)... I swear they use more correct English than native English speakers on the whole
[03:35:33] <SpallsHurgenson> whaz you is talkings 'bout? Americanian people is speaking english as a natively and we is doing it bestest from anyones!
[03:35:51] <juggs> We all have our spelling nuances of course... but this is a good thing... global communication should be applauded.
[03:35:53] <artificial> it is fascinating how empires can do that :)
[03:35:59] <chromas> I am agree with the SpallsHurgenson
[03:38:47] <juggs> artificial, you mean there was an upside to the British Empire after all? Not sure it outweighs the hefty downsides just yet but in time.... who knows. We put our heart and soul into that shit, OK.. it didn't work out, but we tried :D He who has never failed has never tried. (Or some such trite motivational tag line).
[03:39:37] <Yog-Yogguth> *gives manager of the week award to juggs* :P
[03:40:15] <Yog-Yogguth> wait that was a bit harsh *takes it back* XD
[03:40:16] * juggs feels dirty
[03:43:45] <Yog-Yogguth> sorry :3
[03:44:56] <juggs> Yog-Yogguth, I'm not a good manager... I just like people to get on and do their thing while I fend off crap from above. That was my approach to middle-management at least. Apparently micro-management is the thing. ~sigh~ Spend all day looking over others shoulders? Nah.
[03:45:24] <Yog-Yogguth> juggs: oh, I didn't know
[03:49:12] <SpallsHurgenson> juggs is only in it for the office politics :)
[03:49:17] <juggs> Yog-Yogguth, don't have that problem with SN.... it's an anarchic symphony... somehow shit comes together, but at no point does anyone know exactly how it came together.
[03:49:53] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, the office politics involves PJ and NC telling me to shut up :D
[03:51:41] <SpallsHurgenson> I can do that!
[03:51:45] <SpallsHurgenson> shut up, juggs!
[03:51:46] * juggs slowly slinks away because I may have made that up.......
[03:51:49] <SpallsHurgenson> see, they should hire me!
[03:52:44] <juggs> $0 / year suit you SpallsHurgenson ?
[03:53:29] <SpallsHurgenson> no, we had this discussion already; I demanded at least twice that amount
[03:58:17] <juggs> that's fine, but you have to donate all your PII motherboards...
[03:59:32] <juggs> Yes, even those nailed to the wall behind you like trophies.
[04:00:52] * juggs imagines some Predator movie where the hunters are on the prowl for old motherboards.
[04:00:53] <SpallsHurgenson> you can have all the motherboards currently nailed to my wall :)
[04:05:54] <juggs> Wait, didn't you decorate your new ceiling with motherboards? Oh, I see what you did here, put all the good motherboards up on the ceiling while leaving all the burst cap motherboards on the walls.
[04:06:24] <SpallsHurgenson> actually, I took 'em down after the leak and never put 'em back up
[04:06:25] * NCommander punches something in the face
[04:06:42] <SpallsHurgenson> quick juggs, type /nick something
[04:06:43] <juggs> oww! that hurt!
[04:07:48] <juggs> There's no stopping NCommander when he's on a sprint.
[04:11:25] <SpallsHurgenson> "now we see the violence inherent in the system! help help I'm being repressed!"
[04:12:45] * NCommander rages
[04:12:48] <juggs> oh god, stop with the Monty Python already. I submit.
[04:13:20] <SpallsHurgenson> see, this is why backups are a good idea
[04:13:30] * JamesNZ kicks himself repeatedly
[04:14:03] <JamesNZ> I got stuck on a bug for nearly a week because I missed one line. ONE LINE.
[04:14:16] <SpallsHurgenson> why didn't you just check that line first?
[04:14:33] <JamesNZ> Because it wasn't in there.
[04:14:52] <juggs> :D There is humanity out there!
[04:15:22] <JamesNZ> It turns out that you should also call resize() after reserve() on a std::vector to actually resize it, otherwise all the iterators will be royally borked.
[04:15:31] <SpallsHurgenson> well then the problem should have been obvious :)
[04:15:32] <JamesNZ> (well, more than just iterators...)
[04:15:50] * JamesNZ slaps SpallsHurgenson into the land of PHP
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[04:16:14] <JamesNZ> XD
[04:16:53] <JamesNZ> Whoohoo, no memory leaks \o/
[04:18:42] <juggs> I have no idea what JamesNZ just said... something reserve, something vector...... something iteration. WTH was that? Your words just toasted my brain from the inside.
[04:19:07] <JamesNZ> juggs: C++ has that effect :)
[04:19:25] * JamesNZ butters juggs' brains and passes them around for snacks
[04:20:56] <juggs> I'm cool with that, just watch out for the liver and kidneys... no-one should go near those things.
[04:21:13] <JamesNZ> :P
[04:26:41] <crutchy> something something something java... something something something complete
[04:28:36] <JamesNZ> c++++
[04:28:39] <juggs> something something crutchy, something something something crutchy COMPLETE! Hey, did someone lose a hand over here? I seem to have a spare hand.......
[04:28:41] <JamesNZ> Aww.
[04:33:00] * juggs is squiffy and must head to that horizontal platform before.... well nothing (cue scratch record noise)....
[04:33:28] <juggs> Be well all
[04:33:30] <ciri> when you coming back. miss ya already! ;) juggs
[04:33:57] <JamesNZ> Shut up ciri.
[04:59:42] <paulej72> we forgot to tune apache when we upgraded to apache2. That has been fixed today and should help with the bad shit that was getting sent back by rehash at time. We are now killing apache threads after 10000 requests.
[05:05:47] <NCommander> Holy crap
[05:05:53] <NCommander> That's a performance kick to the pants
[05:05:57] <NCommander> paulej72, if you're still up, try the site now
[05:06:05] <NCommander> Keep-Alive made the site fly
[05:08:31] <paulej72> NCommander: getting 503's from https://soylentnews.org
[05:08:32] <systemd> ^ 03- SoylentNews User ( https://soylentnews.org )
[05:09:00] <NCommander> paulej72, investigating
[05:09:04] <paulej72> that had one of the slow queries that still needs fixed
[05:09:41] <NCommander> paulej72, probably
[05:09:48] <NCommander> paulej72, I'm going to try and fix as many as possible tonight
[05:09:53] <paulej72> seems like varnish is now timeing out insteas of the query finishing
[05:10:38] <paulej72> we should push out my changes
[05:10:59] <paulej72> get that error log cleaned up some more
[05:12:48] <paulej72> the curent ones like Mon Jun 8 05:10:18 2015 12922 comment.pl 508 discussion primaryskid: 1, discussion id: 7635 I put in to comemnt.pl in th elive code to get some quick debug info
[05:13:04] <paulej72> tht pull I have in has the code commented out.
[05:13:16] <paulej72> OK really bed time now
[05:14:04] <paulej72> NCommander: do we need to match the keep alive numbers from the balancer and apache on the rehash severs?
[05:14:36] <NCommander> paulej72, nginx should handle that automatically
[05:14:40] <NCommander> Unless a backend server vanishes on it
[05:15:02] <paulej72> k
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[05:34:46] * NCommander plays fix the query
[05:37:31] <Ceefbake> whoa, what did you guys do, the page is reloaded before I press the mouse button o.0
[05:37:44] <Ceefbake> it's like... it knows...
[05:38:18] <Ceefbake> btw, hope you're enjoying my charity economics lesson...
[06:14:42] <NCommander> Ceefbake, we switched to high octane gasoline :)
[06:15:27] <NCommander> Ceefbake, I replaced the old loadbalancer with a homebrew one made out of nginx and this potato paulej72 found
[06:15:50] <NCommander> Ceefbake, which allows Keep-Alive to work, and adds a second level of caching (its loading that fast with full SSL encryption)
[06:16:54] * NCommander disabled memcached on production
[06:27:24] <Ceefbake> is good magic :)
[06:27:38] <Ceefbake> just say "It's magic" :)
[06:40:00] <NCommander> Ceefbake, It's magic
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[08:04:53] <NCommander> hey SirFinkus
[08:05:06] <SirFinkus> hey NCommander, how goes the battle?
[08:05:53] <NCommander> SirFinkus, possibly won. Two hours up, no obvious cache corruption issues. We fixed this by removing the cache :)
[08:06:01] <NCommander> SirFinkus, you may notice SoylentNews is stupid fast due to unrelated changes.
[08:06:05] <SirFinkus> haha
[08:06:19] <SirFinkus> I haven't been on since this morning
[08:06:46] <SirFinkus> seems pretty snappy tonight
[08:07:09] <NCommander> SirFinkus, that's with SSL by default too :)
[08:07:19] <SirFinkus> nice
[08:07:52] <SirFinkus> I don't envy that job, SSL seems like a huge pita
[08:07:52] * NCommander is trying to boost our SSLLabs score as high as it practically can go
[08:08:11] <SirFinkus> based on what I've read, the entire system is kind of a clusterfuck
[08:08:15] <NCommander> SirFinkus, we currently score an A, though there was some low hanging fruit. Unfortunately a perfect score would break compatibility with too much
[08:08:23] <NCommander> SirFinkus, there's a great DEFCON talk on the topic
[08:08:53] <SirFinkus> and I think central authorities giving out keys is absurd
[08:09:08] * SirFinkus may have watched it before
[08:09:19] * SirFinkus has watched a lot of DEFCON talks
[08:10:27] <SirFinkus> it seems like it'd be super easy to build a WOT type system for them
[08:10:55] <NCommander> SirFinkus, certificate pinning helps
[08:11:10] <NCommander> I still think the browsers are idiots for their attitude towards self-signed certificates
[08:11:18] <NCommander> Someday I plan to try and roll DNSSEC out on production
[08:11:25] <NCommander> That's going to be a terrorifying enterprise
[08:11:52] <SirFinkus> might want to take a small break after the last one
[08:12:28] <SirFinkus> or a large break, it's a charity case lol
[08:12:34] <SirFinkus> maybe a resume padder
[08:14:31] * SirFinkus hasn't seen any new videos in a while
[08:15:36] <NCommander> Heh
[08:15:42] <NCommander> Slashdot's SSL certificate expires in 20 days
[08:15:49] * NCommander vaguely wonders if anyone is awake at the switch
[08:15:58] <NCommander> Considering they're still running Apache 2.2.3 which was released years ago
[08:16:42] <SirFinkus> that could be a fun story
[08:17:02] <SirFinkus> although glass houses etc
[08:17:19] <SirFinkus> well, we're still like, a glass shack, slashdot is like a skyscraper
[08:17:23] <SirFinkus> traffic wise
[08:17:26] <NCommander> SirFinkus, our certificate didn't expire, I just zeroed it out by accident :)
[08:17:32] <NCommander> SirFinkus, https://www.ssllabs.com - check out the SSL report
[08:17:33] <systemd> ^ 03SSL Server Test: soylentnews.org (Powered by Qualys SSL Labs)
[08:19:07] <SirFinkus> hmm, thought we had an A
[08:19:27] <SirFinkus> "This server supports weak Diffie-Hellman (DH) key exchange parameters. Grade capped to B."
[08:20:09] <NCommander> SirFinkus, the cache has been fiddly
[08:20:56] <NCommander> SirFinkus, hit the clear cache and let it retest. We get 100 on certifcate, 95 protocol, and 90 in the other two
[08:23:02] * SirFinkus claps
[08:27:46] <SirFinkus> ３２℃ tomorrow D:
[08:27:50] <SirFinkus> too damn hot
[08:45:42] <NCommander> paulej72, mrcoolbp TheMightyBuzzard: I'm annoying. Disabling memcached (via the var) appears to have fixed production
[08:45:45] <NCommander> er
[08:45:47] <NCommander> I'M ANNOYED
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[09:07:54] <janrinok> getting 503's when trying to save an edited story
[09:07:57] <janrinok> "Service Unavailable" Guru Meditation XID: 1972581238
[09:08:24] <janrinok> getting 503's all the time
[09:09:00] <janrinok> I've got the front page, and subs queue working fine
[09:09:19] <janrinok> but the story queue and any editing windows are now giving me 503s
[09:10:09] <janrinok> OK, it seems to be back up for now
[09:10:34] <janrinok> that was about 3 minutes of 503's - system reboot or update carried out?
[09:16:06] <NCommander> janrinok, admin panel is having some issues
[09:16:12] <NCommander> janrinok, I've yet to figure out how to fix it
[09:16:13] <janrinok> k thx
[09:16:22] <NCommander> janrinok, make sure you access it via soylentnews.org/admin.pl and not from a nexus
[09:16:23] <janrinok> anything I can do to help?
[09:16:31] <NCommander> janrinok, not unless you know SQL :(
[09:16:39] <janrinok> nope, sorry
[09:16:54] <NCommander> I'm not sure what paulej72 adjusted
[09:16:58] <NCommander> Let me see if I can increase the timeout
[09:17:10] <NCommander> Just note that article editing is going to be ****ing slow because memcached is disabled
[09:18:48] <NCommander> janrinok, timeout expanded to 20s. Can't promise it *won't* 503 again, but at least it works.
[09:18:48] <janrinok> yes, I had read that, but it just wasn't letting me save any editing for a while there
[09:19:10] <NCommander> janrinok, (I can pull up the nexus admin.pl, which has a query which is very very slow)
[09:19:32] <janrinok> do you want me to report future 503s, and if so, what additional info would be useful?
[09:23:57] <NCommander> janrinok, just how long you wait
[09:24:06] <janrinok> k
[09:24:07] <NCommander> If it spins for awhile then 503, or if it immediately 503s
[09:24:25] <janrinok> it was spinning for about 5-8 secs, and then 503'ing
[09:26:08] <NCommander> janrinok, previous timeout was 10 seconds from start of the request
[09:26:27] <janrinok> so that's better then! woot!
[09:37:25] <NCommander> janrinok, BTW, I'm thinking about implementing this for the editors: https://nytimes.github.io :)
[09:41:16] <janrinok> Have you seen takyons greasemonkey script - it already does much of this and more. About half the editors are using it, but that is an unscientific wild-assed guess
[09:42:39] <Yog-Yogguth> I had been thinking about collaborative editing, I was imagining it could smooth and reduce the workflow from submission to story
[09:43:17] <Yog-Yogguth> but I don't know much about it
[09:43:35] <janrinok> we've thought about it Yog, but it has a few inherent problems. It would be easy to impose group think and insert troll links into someone else's story
[09:44:29] <janrinok> It would not significantly reduce the editors' job, but might increase it. And it would have to be policed. Who would be checking all the changes? How would you enforce the rules?
[09:45:01] <janrinok> I'm not discarding it out of hand, but the software involved might be a bigger task than we need at the moment.
[09:45:44] <Yog-Yogguth> my little experience was that it worked by itself despite such things but I think one would have to limit it to logged in users etc. but it would be a lot of work and I bet you already have plenty :)
[09:45:47] <janrinok> To be honest, I would prefer a greater number of high quality subs rather than colloborative editing, but that is only my personal view
[09:46:23] <janrinok> It's an idea for when we run out of more important things to fix :)
[09:46:27] <Yog-Yogguth> :)
[09:47:28] <janrinok> The next big task is to begin to use the nexuses that we now have, and to encourage sufficient stories to make it worthwhile
[09:51:07] <janrinok> NCommander: It looks a good idea for use within the editing team - or at least it is worth a try. Not sure that I would wish to see it more widely used at present.
[09:51:10] <Yog-Yogguth> about submission: could it be an idea to create a second tier of sorts that are very short? Have you discussed something like that?
[09:52:21] <Yog-Yogguth> I think that might be required to fill the nexuses/topics and would mean much less editing as well as submission work
[09:52:24] <janrinok> well, yes and no. Currently, every acceptable story gets published. The only ones that we reject we wouldn't want at any level. If you make a sub - it _will_ hit the front page
[09:52:49] <Yog-Yogguth> okay
[09:53:26] <janrinok> we are discussing letting community members take responsibility for their own particular niche nexus. Not sure how it will work yet though
[09:54:26] <janrinok> e.g. if someone wants to start a 'gameing' nexus, then they could assume editorial responsibility for that nexus. But there are still some parts of that that need more thought
[09:55:48] <chromas> We need a Lexus Nexus
[09:55:56] <janrinok> How do you enforce editorial standards? Who is responsible for anything that is published on that nexus? Is it SN, the nexus editor, the individual submitters? Who, legally, would have to carry reponsibility?
[09:56:21] <janrinok> a Lexux Nexus for Pixies?
[09:57:17] <janrinok> Yog-Yogguth: any views on the nexus issues?
[09:58:02] <Yog-Yogguth> I think the site should simply be thought of as a tool just like a word processor so the legal responsibility for use /contribution rests with each user/contributer
[09:58:58] <Yog-Yogguth> the way I see it nexuses are topics, is that right?
[09:59:02] <janrinok> if we look at a newspaper analogy - if an editor makes a claim that is libelous, it is the newspaper that is sued for publishing it.
[09:59:23] <Yog-Yogguth> well that's newspapers, I don't think SN should try to be one
[09:59:32] <janrinok> well, a nexus could be almost anything. Currently we only have 3 in use, MainPage, Meta and BreakingNews
[09:59:57] <janrinok> it is more of a sort of convenient grouping rather than a specific topic.
[10:00:16] <Yog-Yogguth> yeah that's how I think of topics: you're chucking out the /. thingy and replacing it with nexuses
[10:00:36] <janrinok> Yog-Yogguth: no, but I'm suggesting that we would have to be sure of the legal standing in the US, otherwise it might be an expensive mistake
[10:00:40] <Yog-Yogguth> it's not clear cut or anything but helpful
[10:01:07] <Yog-Yogguth> my take on that is: you should have no legal standing at all, they would have to go after users
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[10:01:54] <Yog-Yogguth> otherwise you take editorial responsibility for everything which is a losing fight
[10:02:01] <janrinok> well, nobody has any hard and fast ideas yet - or not any that I have heard discussed. It has great potential but we need to move at a safe pace rather than leave ourselves open for something we hadn't considered beforehand.
[10:02:44] <Yog-Yogguth> it's pretty central to the whole /. or forum idea in the first place
[10:02:53] <janrinok> Well, currently the editorial team do assume that responsibility. Part of our training is to check facts, links and subs to make sure that everything is quote by someone else
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[10:04:00] <janrinok> The reason behind my editorial mistake the other week is that someone was making unsubstantiate allegations that didn't match up with the linked material.
[10:04:33] <Yog-Yogguth> it's okay to do that but if it was me I would add a very strong disclaimer that such is done purely on a voluntary basis and that no responsibility is claimed for any mistakes and that everyone should use their own best judgement as to the veracity of the as-is result
[10:04:53] <Yog-Yogguth> i.e. guess each story needs a similar disclaimer to the one above comments :)
[10:05:34] <janrinok> agreed - and as far as I know, nobody is threatening to hang, draw and quarter any eds currently. But it is something that we have to be aware of.
[10:06:14] <Yog-Yogguth> I think that tiny mistake you made was blown out of proportions, nobody is that perfect
[10:06:35] <Yog-Yogguth> then again the solution makes a lot of sense so maybe it was a good thing
[10:06:36] <janrinok> If the summaries comply with the guidelines, we are on firm ground, because we are merely linking to existing material
[10:07:28] <Yog-Yogguth> okay but i suggest almost copypasting that disclaimer thing I wrote earlier and add it in front: you people shouldn't have to worry or loose sleep over these matters
[10:07:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:07:44] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1409
[10:07:50] <Yog-Yogguth> or the back since that's easier :)
[10:07:53] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard: welcome back!
[10:08:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> gracias
[10:08:07] <janrinok> had a good break?
[10:09:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, not especially. fairly hectic.
[10:09:33] <janrinok> Yog, I'll mention it for the next software update, although I seem to remember a discussion in the dim and distant past which suggested that it was not a legally acceptable disclaimer i.e. it would carry no weight in court
[10:10:00] <Yog-Yogguth> well does that mean that the disclaimer on behalf of comments carry no weight in court either?
[10:10:17] <janrinok> well, I suspect it won't be much quieter here. I know the NC has been busy bug squashing!
[10:10:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> so i see. big shakeups everywhere lately.
[10:11:01] <janrinok> Yog-Yogguth: no, the comments were OK for some reason, but as a site we can't just wash our hands of each story that we publish
[10:11:07] <Yog-Yogguth> those snippets can be given status as contracts without adding length.
[10:11:23] <Yog-Yogguth> well editors are just a subspecies of users unless you're paid
[10:11:48] <janrinok> I can't remember the details, I'll have to check with mrcoolbp and some of the others. In fact, I can't remember who even raised the issue last time, it was in the very early days...
[10:13:02] <janrinok> I'm going to have to go afk for a while. Got to take care of my wife, and prepare a meal.
[10:13:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> Yog-Yogguth, we all are except the board members for that matter.
[10:13:30] <Yog-Yogguth> yeah I agree TheMightyBuzzard
[10:14:00] <janrinok> I'd rather that the board members didn't have to face such issues though... :)
[10:14:03] <Yog-Yogguth> and maybe not even them
[10:14:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh smooth, the api got enabled this go round
[10:15:12] <janrinok> TMB, lots of changes but a few resulting performance issues too
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[10:17:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, semi-afk a bit then if everyone's still asleep
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[11:32:18] <paulej72> Oh joy new nexus bug on prod.
[11:32:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> yays
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[11:34:09] <paulej72> Not sure what NCommander did after I went to bed other than deploy my log fix code, but if he did some slow query fixes, he did not push them to github
[11:34:52] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: you missed all of the fun last week of pushing out rehash with little notice and see where the shit landed :)
[11:35:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, noticed that in passing. appears there's still plenty of broken to go around though.
[11:36:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'like we moved dev to prod
[11:37:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[11:47:52] <Bytram> coffee++
[11:47:52] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1410
[11:47:54] <Bytram> !uid
[11:47:54] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5461, owned by vonart
[11:52:44] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: not sure if we have some kind of utf8 bug in memcache, but something may be corrupting one of our caches
[11:53:26] <paulej72> hola Bytram
[11:53:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i picked that version of memcache specifically because it didn't have utf8 bugs like Cache::Memcached
[11:54:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> bound to be something though. may write a stress test for it and give it a poking this week.
[11:57:02] <Bytram> paulej72: g'morning!
[12:33:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> !todo
[12:33:09] <Bender> todo for themightybuzzard: 1) utf8mb4 upgrade 2) RTFM 3) Have all textbook writers shot and proper propaganda writers replace them 4) chromas's password conversion to plaintext so the new devs can steal it
[12:33:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> done 2
[12:33:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> !done 2
[12:33:22] <Bender> 1 item deleted
[12:33:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> !done 2
[12:33:38] <Bender> 1 item deleted
[12:33:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> !done 2
[12:33:42] <Bender> 1 item deleted
[12:33:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> !todo
[12:33:48] <Bender> todo for themightybuzzard: 1) utf8mb4 upgrade
[12:34:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> !todo add an api call to return a list of nexuses
[12:34:15] <Bender> todo item 2 added
[12:34:17] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I think NCommander said fuxit on 1
[12:34:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i'll get er done eventually. it's just really low priority to me cause we're technically working even if we are using too much db space
[12:35:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> !todo add a nexus field to the api stories list call
[12:35:33] <Bender> todo item 3 added
[12:36:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> !todo add an api option to pull only a single nexus
[12:36:04] <Bender> todo item 4 added
[12:36:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> !todo get a haircut
[12:36:56] <Bender> todo item 5 added
[12:37:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> stuff's almost an inch long and it's driving me nuts
[12:37:49] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: make sure you follow user prefs in nexus setting when pulling stories with your api if the a user is logged in.
[12:38:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya think? i was thinking client processing for that.
[12:38:19] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: by a whall clipper and you can do it yourself
[12:38:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> have one, just been lazy about rebalding myself
[12:39:04] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: not if we are the client via js
[12:39:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, truth
[12:40:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> gets a tad complex there. should keep me in plenty of side work for a while.
[12:41:38] <Bytram> wahl clippers work great -- best investment I made in a long time; paid for itself in 2 months
[12:41:51] <paulej72> the built in queires should do the work if fed the right info. Not sure where the bulk of the work is done for getting full vs brief article view on the stories page.
[12:42:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> introtext vs bodytext
[12:42:21] <paulej72> Bytram: mine paid for themselves the first time i used them.
[12:43:19] <paulej72> on index.pl full view has intotext while brief just has the title and meta info.
[12:43:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, deep philosophical question here. what steps do you take to keep cleanup easy?
[12:43:47] <paulej72> so a nexus can be set to full, brief, or off
[12:44:27] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: not have much hair in the first place :)
[12:44:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. i'm currently returning introtext and bodytext for each story. seems like it'd be better to have a user prefs call to find out what the user wants and do that in the js or whatever.
[12:45:50] <paulej72> it so nice the error logs are hardly showing much at all. mostly non-existant page requests.
[12:46:24] <paulej72> here is one for you TheMightyBuzzard: Got non-numeric cid '' in getSpamLink
[12:46:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> ooooh
[12:46:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> wtf. how'd we manage that?
[12:47:15] <paulej72> Also there are two error messages when starting ipn that are related to your bitcoin code
[12:47:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuuuuuuck
[12:48:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> screw getSpamLink. money's first. where's ipnd running nowadays?
[12:48:40] <paulej72> Possible precedence issue with control flow operator at /srv/soylentnews.org/perl/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.20.1/Slash/Subscribe.pm line 573.
[12:48:40] <paulej72> Possible precedence issue with control flow operator at /srv/soylentnews.org/perl/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.20.1/Slash/Subscribe.pm line 574.
[12:49:04] <paulej72> running on fluorine, but gives message on dev as well
[12:49:15] <paulej72> it is a recoverable error
[12:51:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, can fix that easy enough
[12:51:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> not an actual error, it just isn't sure i know my precedence
[12:59:12] <paulej72> I was going to fix it, but I was not sure what you wanted there as well.
[13:02:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> pull request in with a fix
[13:04:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Surfers Sought for Antibiotic-Resistant Bacteria Testing - http://sylnt.us - sas-rectal-swabs
[13:04:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[13:06:04] <paulej72> OK i need to get ready for work.
[13:14:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> !seen crutchy
[13:14:51] <ciri> TheMightyBuzzard, crutchy is right here!
[13:15:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;last crutchy
[13:15:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm
[13:15:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;last crutchy
[13:17:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh right, i never did add that
[13:20:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;dothis $bar = $last->{crutchy}->{when};
[13:20:10] <MrPlow> Mon Jun 8 04:26:41 2015
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[14:00:41] <Yog-Yogguth> TheMightyBuzzard: rebalding for the win, I cover the sink with toilet paper and just drop the hair there
[14:01:10] <Yog-Yogguth> also I've made a submission! I'll be around here but afk for a while now
[14:01:28] <janrinok> Yog-Yogguth: just looking at your sub now :)
[14:01:32] <Yog-Yogguth> :D
[14:02:02] <janrinok> utf as well - there's advanced editing stuff!
[14:02:49] <Yog-Yogguth> haha yeah (sorry?) but seriously afk now, cya :)
[14:03:02] <janrinok> no, we like utf!
[14:27:38] <n1> anyone here have suggestions for a lightweight blogging platform?
[14:45:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> rehash?
[14:45:35] * TheMightyBuzzard snickers
[14:48:04] <n1> lol
[14:48:05] <ciri> it's not that funny :)
[14:48:09] <n1> oh but it was
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[16:53:01] <Yog-Yogguth> (hmm let me try that again)
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[16:54:47] <Yog-Yogguth> sorry, I just found an Xchat bug that's all
[16:56:22] <Yog-Yogguth> dear $deity they have 459 open bug reports ;_;
[16:57:28] <AndyTheAbsurd> IIRC, Xchat is no longer under active development, HexChat is a currently-developed successor.
[16:58:31] <Yog-Yogguth> oh, I thought Hexchat was Windows only, seems that has changed
[17:07:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tired of Telemarketing Calls? Has PayPal Got News for You! - http://sylnt.us - shafted
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[17:29:00] <Yogguth> Hexchat doesn't cope well with self-signed (i.e. bettererer) certificates either :|
[17:29:37] <Yog-Yogguth> anyway: thank you AndyTheAbsurd :)
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[17:30:10] <Yog-Yogguth> lol and it still has the same bug XD
[17:30:10] <ciri> HEY! don't laugh at me
[17:30:20] <Yog-Yogguth> pssh ciri :)
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[21:58:47] <Landon> The air you are breathing on an airplane is recycled from directly outside of your window. That means you are breathing everything that the airplanes gives off and is flying through. The air that is pumped in isn’t pure oxygen either, it’s mixed with nitrogen, sometimes almost at 50%
[21:58:48] <Landon> oh my lanta
[21:58:52] <Landon> http://www.freezepage.com
[21:58:53] <systemd> ^ 03FreezePage
[22:00:30] <mechanicjay> Landon: That's officially the dumbest thing I've heard yet today.
[22:01:34] <Landon> mechanicjay: don't read more or your leaderboard will get ddosd
[22:01:43] <Landon> the comments are full of sheeple too
[22:02:23] <Landon> > After graduating in 2001 with a degree in computer science,
[22:02:31] <Landon> srsly, you can graduate in CS and make a comment like that?
[22:03:33] <Landon> > In a July 2012 post (since removed), Hari quoted the ideas of Masaru Emoto, namely that microwave ovens cause water molecules to form crystals that resemble crystals exposed to negative thoughts or beliefs, such as when the words Hitler and Satan were exposed to the water.
[22:07:36] <NCommander> mechanicjay, you need to interact with the public more if THAT is the dumbest thing you've heard today
[22:09:46] <mechanicjay> In all fairness, I've been pretty heads-down in work today
[22:10:24] * crutchy is pretty sure he could up that dumbness
[22:10:35] <crutchy> ++coffee
[22:10:36] <systemd> Karma - coffee: 280
[22:10:36] <crutchy> coffee++
[22:10:36] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1411
[22:11:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - British Airlines 'Face Multiple Toxic Air Claims' - http://sylnt.us - he-who-smelt-it
[22:12:47] <crutchy> http://www.abc.net.au
[22:12:47] <systemd> ^ 03G7 meeting: World leaders pledge to act on climate change, phase out fossil fuels by end of century - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
[22:13:06] <mechanicjay> okay my steak is over.
[22:13:16] <crutchy> soooo... in other words they just kicked the can down the road and wasted a bunch of taxpayer monies
[22:13:43] <mechanicjay> Just questioned how we got into the business of compiling apache 2.2 for newer OSes instead of just sucking it up and porting the *ONE* custom module we have.
[22:14:25] <crutchy> cos newer OS's are incompatible with the real world
[22:14:34] <mechanicjay> "Compiling our own apache predates me, and I've been here 17 years".
[22:15:01] <crutchy> http://www.latimes.com
[22:15:01] <systemd> ^ 03Obama: To fight Islamic State, U.S. looks to speed training of Iraqi forces - LA Times
[22:15:12] <crutchy> haha "speed training"? really?
[22:15:21] <mechanicjay> Basically, we've *ALWAYS* compiled our own Apache here, since it was a thing -- and never had the where-withall to just start using distro packages.
[22:15:25] <crutchy> who pays this guy? ...oh
[22:16:09] <n1> in government: what we've been doing has only made things worse, the solution is to double down on that and do more of it.
[22:17:58] <crutchy> i'm pretty sure that has been the case for over half a century. it's a big ship to steer away from certain doom
[22:18:21] <crutchy> need political side-thrusters
[22:18:35] <crutchy> call it the tea party or whatever. can't be any worse
[22:18:53] <crutchy> they just need to be bigger
[22:19:50] <n1> power corrupts, i dont think we need an alternative 'bigger' political institution
[22:20:31] <crutchy> true
[22:20:58] <crutchy> i still think you guys need to conscript ron paul to the presidency
[22:21:19] <n1> if i could to that from sunny ol' England, i would.
[22:21:23] <crutchy> oh lol
[22:21:28] <n1> maybe thats what i should have scribbed on my vote for the last general election.
[22:21:34] <n1> scribbled*
[22:21:50] <crutchy> heh. that's a good idea
[22:22:15] <n1> well, we might get to vote for Boris Johnson next time
[22:22:22] <crutchy> better than what i do; get my name ticked off the list (to avoid a fine) and walk out without voting
[22:22:24] <n1> so why not vote for a half-decent american instead
[22:23:01] <n1> whats the turnout like in au, with the mandatory voting?
[22:23:06] <n1> how many people actually cast a vote?
[22:23:06] <ciri> very carefully and then some
[22:23:13] <crutchy> dunno
[22:23:26] <crutchy> i don't pay much attention tbh
[22:23:36] <crutchy> all politicians here are lying scumbags
[22:24:46] <crutchy> and i don't even watch tv anymore except for the occasional kids show that the kids are watching
[22:24:47] <n1> i dont think it's a unique aussie trait for politicians
[22:25:01] <crutchy> yeah
[22:25:05] <crutchy> unfortunately :/
[22:25:12] <n1> just happens once the honest ones get into a position of power they get briefed on the reality of the situation and become like the ones they campaigned against
[22:25:50] <crutchy> if they really wanna destroy ISIS, they should just hire ol' vlad the impaler putin
[22:26:16] <crutchy> russians are like the human version of the protoss
[22:26:16] <n1> after spending quite some time in aus, it does seem very strange that the political class seems totally opposite to the cultural and social norms of mainstream australian society.
[22:27:04] <crutchy> our politicians pretend to be important. i actually wouldn't be surprised if they already know that nobody really gives a crap about them
[22:27:18] <crutchy> they do it for the pay i think
[22:27:46] <crutchy> there doesn't seem to be much political ideology here, which is prolly good
[22:28:01] <n1> " there is the possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist Principality in eastern Syria (Hasaka and Der Zor), and this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime, which is considered the strategic depth of the Shia expansion (Iraq and Iran)."
[22:28:51] <n1> from recently released DIA document originally from 2012
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[22:30:36] <crutchy> while other countries have their little spats, the russians could if they wanted to prolly just march in, destroy all other lifeforms and walk out
[22:31:11] <n1> just like they did in Afghanistan back in the day...
[22:31:37] <crutchy> i'm not sure what the west thinks what happened in afghanistan actually happened
[22:31:52] <crutchy> though i'm not sure either
[22:31:59] <n1> Chechnya also working out quite well on that front.
[22:32:06] <n1> difference between what officially happened, and what actually happened
[22:32:13] <n1> and the reasons surrounding both official and reality
[22:32:41] * crutchy wouldn't be surprised if russian afghanistan was just a bad business deal that eventually got settled
[22:33:55] <n1> from my understanding it was always a proxy war
[22:34:05] <n1> afghanistan was just the chosen battlefield
[22:37:03] <n1> http://en.wikipedia.org
[22:37:04] <systemd> ^ 03Wiki: Operation Cyclone
[22:37:59] <n1> By mid-1979, the United States had started a covert program to finance the mujahideen.[5] President Carter's National Security Adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, was later quoted as saying that the goal of the program was to "induce a Soviet military intervention",[6][7] but later clarified that this was "a very sensationalized and abbreviated" misquotation
[22:40:57] <Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa> it's the “perception is reality” doctrine, they've said it as clear as that and as public statement
[22:41:10] <Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa> problem is it isn't
[22:41:47] <Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa> but don't mind me too muchm I became one of the insane ones when Snowden hit home :)
[22:42:31] <n1> Jean-Claude Juncker: 'When it becomes serious, you have to lie'
[22:42:41] <Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa> clarification: the problem is “perception is reality” isn't actually true
[22:43:02] <Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa> ah that's would be the EU vampire in command Juncker
[22:43:19] <n1> "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Infamous German Bloke
[22:43:26] <Landon> no
[22:43:30] <Landon> I think that was abraham lincoln
[22:43:34] <Landon> on usenet
[22:44:12] <n1> "See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." - Infamous American Bloke
[22:44:59] <n1> perception might not be reality, but it's the only thing that matters in the 'now'
[22:45:33] <Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa> it's the only thing /that seems/ to matter in the now but in the future it always turns out not to have been the case
[22:45:35] <n1> we are free to disagree about the little details, the things of no overall consequence, but we have to believe the overall narative
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[22:45:45] <n1> until that officially changes in 30 years time when some new information comes to light
[22:46:04] <n1> and then we will be reassured, it's different now, all that stuff happened 30 years ago.
[22:46:57] <Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa> and in 75 years the files will be released but nearly completely redacted
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[22:48:48] <n1> didnt see what you said there, just a black line came up...
[22:49:31] <Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa> oh... (I'm waiting for another computer so I can do a real chat program) anyway: and in 75 years the files will be released but nearly completely redacted
[22:50:20] <n1> ah you're no fun, ruined my joke about your comment being redacted :p
[22:50:44] <Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa> d'oh sorry I'm too dense :3
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[22:51:50] <n1> find it amusing retrospectively
[22:51:51] <n1> ;)
[22:51:52] <Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa> I kill my netbook trying to so multi-user switching on it so now it has to cool off for a bit
[22:51:56] <Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa> :)
[22:52:16] <n1> sounds like your laptop is not too healthy...
[22:52:34] <Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa> yes it's the one with flame marks inside but its' safe now because the fan died
[22:52:44] <takyon> cooling off a netbook? I thought they were supposed to be underpowered in the first place...
[22:52:54] <n1> needs go faster stripes.
[22:53:13] <n1> i could make tea with the heat that comes out of my laptop
[22:53:53] <Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa> also: I smoke i.e. my computers also get their share of tar
[22:53:54] <takyon> earl grey. hot.
[22:54:15] <n1> sharing is caring, Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa
[22:54:20] <takyon> you should turn your computer into a vape
[22:54:20] <Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa> XD
[22:55:13] <Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa> I'm going to try vaping but have been set back due to not ordering a charger for the stuff I bought and haven't gotten around to fixing that yet
[22:56:25] <cmn32480> doesn't it take a micrusb like everythgin else in this world?
[22:56:27] <Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa> takyon: I think one of your posts helped prod me along
[22:56:33] * cmn32480 asks from a position of complete ignorance
[22:56:55] <Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa> it uses USB on one end only
[22:57:05] <Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa> the one I need
[22:57:44] <cmn32480> <blink> <blink>
[22:57:55] <cmn32480> now I am further confused
[22:58:11] <cmn32480> USB to custom end? or USB to wall-wart?
[22:58:13] <Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa> also I live in a place with stupid import rules/limits so I have to be careful about ordering for less than roughly 25 USD
[22:58:41] <Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa> circular internal contact (business end) to USB
[22:59:04] <cmn32480> so USB to custom barrel connector
[22:59:07] <cmn32480> that blows
[22:59:13] <Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa> flat circular... very non-standard outside vaping stuff (not a barrel connector)
[22:59:59] <Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa> and the limit includes postage expenses...
[23:00:08] <Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa> and the local market is non-existent
[23:01:32] <cmn32480> ok. I think I have at least a sort of understanding
[23:01:43] <takyon> what post helped prod you along?
[23:01:56] <takyon> must have been my huge weedpost
[23:02:38] <Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa> hmm don't think so, was a general one about vaping equipment recomandation (which I didn't follow hehe)
[23:03:12] <takyon> don't think it was me
[23:03:19] <takyon> certainly not all vapes are created equal though
[23:03:34] <takyon> there are the formaldehyde spewing things you can find at the gas station
[23:03:41] <Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa> yeah I followed some of the tips
[23:03:42] <takyon> all the way to $200 pieces with remote controls
[23:04:36] <Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa> bought an AeroTank but then combined it with a Vision Spinner
[23:04:51] <Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa> but the VIsioin Spinner didn't come with a charger (I had assumed)
[23:05:24] <Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa> so much bad English from me now, a bit rushed
[23:06:01] <takyon> s'all good
[23:07:16] cmn32480 is now known as cmn32480|dinner
[23:26:08] <Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa> I'm worried about Subsentient, does anyone know if he has gotten enough help to avoid homelessness?
[23:27:23] <NCommander> Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa, I hadn't heard anything
[23:28:32] <Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa> this issue: https://soylentnews.org
[23:28:33] <systemd> ^ 03SN comment by [02tynin (2013)] (02Score:2)
[23:29:17] <Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa> hmm that should be the link to the journal post
[23:30:39] <n1> :(
[23:30:45] -!- Yog-Yogguth [Yog-Yogguth!~Yog-Yoggu@474.06-724-78.nextgentel.com] has joined #Soylent
[23:31:40] <Yog-Yogguth> (I'm switching to this for the time being)
[23:31:55] -!- Yog-Yogguth_[way_awa has quit [Quit: Web client closed]
[23:32:14] <Yog-Yogguth> n1: yeah it's :(
[23:33:06] <Yog-Yogguth> it seems he's gotten a lot of help though but since he hasn't said anything more I'm being a worrywart
[23:35:19] <n1> sent a couple $ his way on the indigogo
[23:35:33] <n1> it's a situation no one should have to be in, especially in those circumstances
[23:35:56] <Yog-Yogguth> yeah that's what I'm thinking of too but happen not to have much at the moment
[23:37:21] <n1> in a situation like that, anything helps
[23:37:37] <n1> i'd assume anyway
[23:38:06] <Yog-Yogguth> I think you're right
[23:38:38] <n1> i have friends whove been in similar situations and $10, $5 or even $1 can make a difference when things are that bad
[23:39:44] <Subsentient> Yog-Yogguth: Yes, I'm alright now.
[23:39:52] <Subsentient> NCommander: I'm alright.
[23:39:53] <Yog-Yogguth> oh wow, cool :D
[23:40:14] <n1> good news.
[23:41:23] * NCommander licks Subsentient
[23:41:33] * NCommander is modifying rehash to be MUCH easier to install
[23:41:35] * Subsentient summons the gerbils
[23:42:09] <Subsentient> NCommander: I'm thinking of another feature request story for Epoch 1.3.0 "Fluoxetine"
[23:42:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - First Mind-Controlled Prosthetic Legs - http://sylnt.us - giving-a-leg-up
[23:45:06] <NCommander> Subsentient, well, I'd love to bring back freashmeat as a feature of the site, but we'd need people versed in FOSS to run it
[23:46:12] <Yog-Yogguth> what about https://freshcode.club ? Maybe linking that instead if it's deemed worthy?
[23:46:18] <systemd> ^ 03freshcode.club