#Soylent | Logs for 2015-06-07

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[00:02:30] <NCommander> cmn32480, within the alst 24 hours
[00:02:33] <NCommander> We do daily backups
[00:04:02] <crutchy> fluoxetine soiunds like a drug name
[00:05:13] <crutchy> if more people read the bible and the koran they would realize they're both as evil as each other
[00:06:37] <crutchy> anyone who thinks the bible doesn't require killing for faith hasn't heard of the crusades
[00:09:50] * NCommander waits for a rolling cluster restart to finish
[00:24:01] <chromas> Crusades aside, the entire old testament is genocidal jews
[00:30:03] <NCommander> How's site performance for people?
[00:48:17] -!- drussell has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[00:59:05] * crutchy sighs
[00:59:21] * crutchy creates a launcher for 'killall iceweasel'
[01:01:31] * crutchy changes the command to 'killall iceweasel && killall iceweasel && killall iceweasel' for good measure
[01:02:41] <SirFinkus> crutchy: better loop it
[01:02:44] <SirFinkus> just to be sure
[01:03:51] <crutchy> loop it from orbit :p
[01:04:19] <crutchy> ooh i guess loop is kinda like orbit
[01:04:30] * crutchy 's brain explodes from pun overload
[01:05:30] <crutchy> long_weekends++
[01:05:30] <Bender> karma - long_weekends: 1
[01:05:39] <crutchy> feels like saturday even though its sunday
[01:06:21] * chromas gives crutchy killall -9
[01:06:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Australian Federal Police Officer Pleads Guilty to Stalking Using Restricted Databases - http://sylnt.us - pig-stalkers
[01:08:43] <crutchy> omg we're becoming more like the USA every day :/
[01:09:02] <SirFinkus> too fucking hot here
[01:09:28] <crutchy> though it seems we haven't quite reached the point where AFP is a law unto itself yet
[01:09:42] * crutchy just turned the heater on here
[01:09:45] <crutchy> ~weather
[01:09:46] <exec> 03Melbourne VIC - currently 13°C, mostly sunny, wind N at 40 km/h, humidity 72% - Sunday cloudy (11°C-14°C), Monday partly cloudy (11°C-17°C), Tuesday partly cloudy (8°C-13°C), Wednesday partly cloudy (5°C-13°C)
[01:09:52] <SirFinkus> ~weather
[01:09:54] <exec> 03Olympia, WA, USA - currently 85°F / 29°C, sunny, wind N at 7 mph, humidity 33% - Saturday clear with periodic clouds (55°F-83°F / 13°C-28°C), Sunday sunny (55°F-86°F / 13°C-30°C), Monday sunny (53°F-86°F / 12°C-30°C), Tuesday mostly sunny (49°F-83°F / 9°C-28°C)
[01:10:06] <crutchy> oh. 30 degrees would be lovely
[01:10:13] <crutchy> lets swap
[01:10:17] <SirFinkus> gladly
[01:10:39] <crutchy> i can handle 30 degrees much better than 10
[01:10:47] <crutchy> 40 is getting a bit much
[01:11:02] <crutchy> 45 is too hot
[01:11:33] <crutchy> especially the dry heat we get down here. 40+ is bushfire weather
[01:16:44] <crutchy> will be interesting to see what percentage the yuan takes of the SDR pie in september. it might not matter too much since china seems to dictate its own economy anyway
[01:18:33] <crutchy> oh wow
[01:18:40] <crutchy> http://www.globalrichlist.com
[01:18:41] <systemd> ^ 03Global Rich List
[01:18:54] <crutchy> apparently i'm in the top 0.44%
[01:19:17] * crutchy feels kinda disgusted by that
[01:20:21] <crutchy> though apparently there are 26,510,741 people in the world who are richer than me, so at least i'm not the greediest
[01:21:17] <crutchy> s/rich/income/
[01:21:17] <sedctl> <crutchy> though apparently there are 26,510,741 people in the world who are incomeer than me, so at least i'm not the greediest
[01:21:22] <crutchy> derp
[01:25:56] <crutchy> that's weird
[01:29:10] * crutchy doesn't get the wealth calculator so much
[01:29:44] <cmn32480> crutchy - di you sharpen your pitchforks this afternoon?
[01:30:19] <crutchy> cmn32480, what for? are we going to war?
[01:30:36] <cmn32480> maybe it was chromas... you guys all look alike
[01:30:41] <NCommander> ~weather
[01:30:42] <crutchy> are we finally rising up against the systemd menace :p
[01:30:43] <exec> 03Anchorage, AK, USA - currently 58°F / 14°C, light rain, wind SW at 3 mph, humidity 51% - Saturday scattered showers (46°F-58°F / 8°C-14°C), Sunday partly cloudy (47°F-58°F / 8°C-14°C), Monday partly cloudy (46°F-57°F / 8°C-14°C), Tuesday showers (46°F-56°F / 8°C-13°C)
[01:30:51] <NCommander> ~weather 14586
[01:30:52] <exec> 03West Henrietta, NY 14586, USA - currently 59°F / 15°C, mostly sunny, wind E at 6 mph, humidity 42% - Saturday clear (44°F-65°F / 7°C-18°C), Sunday partly cloudy (67°F-83°F / 19°C-28°C), Monday thunderstorm (62°F-77°F / 17°C-25°C), Tuesday scattered thunderstorms (57°F-74°F / 14°C-23°C)
[01:31:09] <crutchy> holy crap even alaska is warmer than here :(
[01:32:25] <crutchy> though admittedly if i actually went out in the sun and run around for a bit i'd prolly warm up
[01:32:33] <crutchy> fuck that though. requires energy
[01:33:04] <SirFinkus> ha, my sister is flying down from alaska as we speak
[01:33:12] <SirFinkus> what a coincidence
[01:33:34] * crutchy swears he didn't touch her... much
[01:36:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - http://sylnt.us - huzzah
[01:37:33] -!- Mad_Ape [Mad_Ape!~Ethanol-f@ka52-830-964-802.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #Soylent
[01:37:54] <Mad_Ape> 'Sup
[01:38:38] <cmn32480> 'sup ef
[01:38:49] <Mad_Ape> It's-a-BOOZE time!
[01:38:56] <cmn32480> excellent
[01:39:16] <crutchy> there must be a youtube video of a monkey drinking beer
[01:39:20] <Mad_Ape> livin' the bum life rocks.
[01:39:22] <cmn32480> g;ad to see that your time on the wagon is over
[01:39:41] <Mad_Ape> yep. I went 4 whole days without drinkink.
[01:39:52] <cmn32480> just make sure to hitch a ride again before your liver says "ouch"
[01:39:58] <crutchy> he's joined obama's minions now
[01:40:13] <cmn32480> oh no
[01:40:24] <cmn32480> the poor bastard... lost forever it seems.
[01:40:31] <Mad_Ape> Yeah, had night sweats, my skin felt itchy like it had electric current running through it. I seriously believed that I would have a withdrawal seizure that would kill me.
[01:41:01] <crutchy> we'll know for sure in 2016 if he votes for hillary
[01:41:04] <Mad_Ape> Truth is that the average beach denzien here drinks WAAAAAAYYYY more than I do, and they do it daily.
[01:41:10] <cmn32480> that might be a sign that you shoudl cut back
[01:41:23] <Mad_Ape> The only person here who would vote for Hillary is gewg_
[01:41:32] <crutchy> poor gewg
[01:41:48] <Mad_Ape> gewg_--
[01:41:48] <Bender> karma - gewg_: 0
[01:41:57] <Mad_Ape> gewg_--
[01:41:57] <Bender> karma - gewg_: -1
[01:42:02] <Mad_Ape> Hahahheeheehoooooooo!
[01:42:30] <Mad_Ape> Our nation's capitol is starting to look like Kefka's tower wtih all of the vile inhabitants.
[01:43:02] <Mad_Ape> I could envision those fuckers hooting and chuclking while the world burns around them.
[01:43:59] <Mad_Ape> crutchy, you Aussies had better prepare your Anuses...China is getting a little testy.
[01:44:02] <cmn32480> like Mos Isely, never shall you find a more wretched hive of scum and villany
[01:45:38] <Mad_Ape> America could start a war with China, but it would be the Aussies who would be the first to be steamrolled.
[01:45:58] <Mad_Ape> And once the reds get to the mainland, they will enslave you and misuse your womenfolk.
[01:46:54] <crutchy> Mad_Ape, we're already destined to become part of the chinese empire
[01:46:58] <Mad_Ape> You'll get straight zerg-rushed.
[01:47:17] <crutchy> the USA will try to fend them off, but your military is only powerful as long as it gets paid
[01:47:51] <Mad_Ape> crutchy, I'm wondering if America is embracing illegal immigration so that it would have a willing volunteer army for all of America's military adventures.
[01:48:02] <crutchy> australia will become like region 12 (or whatever it was called) on hunger games. just a mining slave country
[01:48:25] <Mad_Ape> People with no American historical context or national pride, just glorified bargain-basement mercenaries.
[01:49:02] <Mad_Ape> crutchy, you mean district 9? That was a thinly-veiled analog of the Israeli-Palestinian mess.
[01:49:21] <crutchy> eventually US reserve notes will be worthless when china sinks its fangs into your soft underbelly; when that happens your government will have lost the allegiance of the military industrial complex
[01:50:28] <cmn32480> !uid
[01:50:28] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5449, owned by msalkeld
[01:50:28] <crutchy> Mad_Ape, http://thehungergames.wikia.com
[01:50:29] <systemd> ^ 03District 12 - The Hunger Games Wiki
[01:50:37] <Mad_Ape> crutchy, good, then all of the speculators can dive out the windows of their high-rise office buildings and America can return to protectionism and isolationism.
[01:50:46] <Mad_Ape> I stand corrected, crutchy.
[01:50:52] <cmn32480> wtf Bender... your UID is wrong
[01:51:06] <crutchy> Mad_Ape, i wish that were the case. unfortunately it might be a bit late for that by then
[01:51:11] <crutchy> ~uid
[01:51:26] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[01:51:27] <systemd> ^ 03Soupbowl - SoylentNews User
[01:51:32] <cmn32480> he's 5450
[01:51:35] <crutchy> ~uid
[01:51:40] <Mad_Ape> This country is so pissed at its own government that it will never stand in solidarity if we go to war with China or the Rooskies.
[01:52:09] <crutchy> the uid thingy not working possibly?
[01:52:18] <crutchy> exec can't seem to read the page
[01:52:24] <cmn32480> if it wasn't working, I thought he threw an error
[01:52:34] <cmn32480> !uid
[01:52:35] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5449, owned by msalkeld
[01:53:00] * chromas pokes Bender with a pitchfork
[01:53:10] <Mad_Ape> Which raises an interesting question...if AMerica does have another civil war or a revolt of some sort, and assuming other nations were willing to help (like France in the first civil war) certain factions without invading, who would support who?
[01:53:32] <cmn32480> France helped in the Revolution
[01:53:35] <Mad_Ape> It would probably be the Rooskies backing up the anti-government faction.
[01:53:38] <cmn32480> not the Civil War
[01:53:48] <Mad_Ape> cmn, I stand corrected again and am a dipshit.
[01:53:49] <chromas> Let's take on the south
[01:53:58] <crutchy> ~uid
[01:53:59] <exec> there was an error
[01:54:03] <cmn32480> you can sit corrected mad_ape
[01:54:09] <chromas> Including California and Florida
[01:54:11] <Mad_Ape> chromas, this country would be a better place if we could get rid of southerners.
[01:54:28] <Mad_Ape> California was a great state before immigrants and liberalism shitted it up.
[01:54:40] <crutchy> bring back slavery!
[01:54:42] <cmn32480> can we drop California while we are at it?
[01:54:45] <chromas> Weren't the immigrants there first?
[01:54:46] <Mad_Ape> Fortunately the libtards are mostly confined to their ghettos the bay area and L.A.
[01:55:00] <Mad_Ape> That's crazy talk, chromas.
[01:55:11] <chromas> At least fight southern california
[01:55:18] <cmn32480> NUke them from orbit! with pitchforks! make Chromas rich!
[01:55:53] <Mad_Ape> Southern California is pretty awesome. There's every kind of biome within a couple hours' drive, and a lot of conservatism and libertarianism.
[01:56:00] <crutchy> shit. thanks for giving away another secret cmn32480 :p now the chinese are gunna mass-produce nuclear pitchforks
[01:56:26] <cmn32480> Mad_ape... depending on the point of view, the American Revolution WAS a civil war. We WERE a part on England at the time
[01:56:37] <cmn32480> so I think you get partial credit
[01:56:46] <chromas> Where's Conker when you need him?
[01:56:56] <cmn32480> no problem crutchy. I aim to please
[01:57:07] <cmn32480> and If I aim a little to the left I'll hit the toilet
[01:57:42] <chromas> Gross. Don't get the toilet dirty
[01:58:22] <cmn32480> you are right. I'll hit the floor instead. THAT'LL make my wife happy
[01:58:29] <crutchy> only war vets are allowed to be pissed on
[01:59:18] <crutchy> toilets gotta go get blown up by towlheads before they get the privilege of american piss
[01:59:48] <chromas> Even vets don't want bud light
[01:59:50] <crutchy> oh wait. cmn32480 you not american are you?
[02:00:17] <cmn32480> yup. I am a gun toting, meat eating American
[02:00:18] <crutchy> cmn32480 is hereby relegated to district 12 with crutchy :P
[02:00:22] <chromas> ciri: light means diet beer
[02:00:24] <crutchy> oh. retract that
[02:00:32] <cmn32480> light
[02:00:40] <cmn32480> of dear
[02:00:48] <takyonAFK> bug light "beer"
[02:00:54] <Mad_Ape> Americans make the best beers I've tasted, but they also make the worst.
[02:01:04] <chromas> Bud light beer to the rescue!
[02:01:11] <Mad_Ape> bud light is worse than horse piss.
[02:01:11] <takyonAFK> we have it all in america
[02:02:22] <cmn32480> most of the smaller breweries, even those owned by the large breweries, make great beer
[02:02:33] <cmn32480> Shipyard in Portland, Maine
[02:02:48] <cmn32480> the BEST pumpkin beer - pumpkinhead Ale
[02:02:53] <Mad_Ape> East coast has good stuff.
[02:03:54] <cmn32480> there is some great stuff in the rockies too. Denver has a crap ton of great small breweries
[02:05:43] <cmn32480> Leinenkugels is owned by MillerCoors. They still make great beer
[02:07:05] <Mad_Ape> No shit, I didn't know that.
[02:07:49] <cmn32480> heard it from a guy whose son in law is asome marketing bigwig w/ MillerCoors
[02:09:11] <cmn32480> http://www.bizjournals.com
[02:09:13] <systemd> ^ 03Miller Brewing acquisition helped Leinenkugel's reach six generations - Milwaukee - Milwaukee Business Journal
[02:14:18] <cmn32480> netcraft just confirmed it too
[02:15:53] <Mad_Ape> Huh. Well, they'd better not mess with it.
[02:15:56] <Mad_Ape> That's good stuff.
[02:16:03] <Mad_Ape> The only girly beer I'll drink.
[02:16:06] <cmn32480> I agree.
[02:16:14] <cmn32480> but it is a very tasty girlie beer
[02:19:09] <cmn32480> on that note, I been busting my ass all day outside. I'm tired. good night cruel world! See you again tomorrow.
[02:19:17] <Mad_Ape> lata
[02:19:28] <cmn32480> sweet drunken dreams Mad_ape
[02:20:01] cmn32480 is now known as cmn32480_sleepy
[02:30:27] <Bytram> !uid
[02:30:27] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5450, owned by Soupbowl
[02:30:34] <Bytram> coffee++
[02:30:34] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1407
[02:30:42] <Bytram> ~weather boston, ma
[02:30:43] <exec> 03Boston, MA, USA - currently 62°F, partly cloudy, wind W at 3 mph, humidity 62% - Saturday clear (51°F-68°F), Sunday mostly sunny (51°F-67°F), Monday partly cloudy (63°F-73°F), Tuesday scattered thunderstorms (61°F-79°F)
[02:30:52] <Bytram> ~weather portland, me
[02:30:53] <exec> 03Portland, ME, USA - currently 59°F, clear, wind NW at 10 mph, humidity 53% - Saturday clear (47°F-73°F), Sunday mostly sunny (49°F-68°F), Monday showers (57°F-64°F), Tuesday scattered thunderstorms (56°F-76°F)
[02:30:59] <Bytram> ~weather presque isle
[02:31:00] <exec> 03Presque Isle, ME, USA - currently 52°F, clear, wind NW at 5 mph, humidity 44% - Saturday clear (38°F-65°F), Sunday mostly sunny (49°F-71°F), Monday rain (52°F-61°F), Tuesday scattered thunderstorms (55°F-69°F)
[02:31:11] * NCommander sighs
[02:31:18] <NCommander> Bytram, how's the site behaving for you (production)
[02:31:30] <NCommander> Bytram, I rolled out a fix, paulej72 and TheMightyBuzzard appear to be MIA for the weekend so it wasn't signed off
[02:31:51] <Bytram> not too bad; occasional 500s early in the week
[02:31:59] <Bytram> got logged out a couple times
[02:32:13] <Bytram> had a busy schedule at work and not been on it much during the day
[02:32:21] <Bytram> mostly early AM and late PM
[02:32:44] <Bytram> I figured there'd be a few issues with changing the whole underpinnings
[02:32:58] <Bytram> it's actually going smoother than I expected!
[02:33:16] * Bytram remembers the early days with the site actually going *down* pretty regularly
[02:33:45] * Bytram chuckles to think that we can actually refer to the 'early days' -- we've been up and running for quite a while now!
[02:38:22] <NCommander> Bytram, year and a half roughly
[02:38:29] <NCommander> Bytram, well, any 500 errors in the last few hours?
[02:38:50] <Bytram> golive was on Valentine's day, IIRC; 20140214 or thereabouts
[02:39:23] <Bytram> hadn't been doing anything on the site until about 45 minutes ago or so.
[02:39:30] <Bytram> no problems that I could see.
[02:45:11] <crutchy> ah. figured out the uid thingy
[02:45:17] -!- Landon [Landon!~Landon@Soylent/Staff/IRC/Landon] has joined #Soylent
[02:45:17] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v Landon] by Imogen
[02:45:22] <Landon> ugh
[02:45:23] <crutchy> the url is being redirected to https
[02:45:27] <Landon> mail servers are stupid
[02:45:28] <crutchy> ~uid
[02:45:29] <exec> The current maximum UID is 5450, owned by Soupbowl
[02:45:31] <Landon> I wish they had better error message
[02:45:34] <crutchy> !uid
[02:45:34] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5450, owned by Soupbowl
[02:45:45] <Landon> I've spent hours trying to figure out why "Relay access denied"
[02:45:46] <crutchy> derp. sounds like i'm a bit late
[02:45:58] <Landon> turns out, mutt just wasn't set up to login to smtp so it tried sending emails unauth
[02:46:53] <Bytram> Landon: ugh. that's a tough one! Glad you figured it out, no thanks to the 'fine' error message!
[02:51:58] <Mad_Ape> Sup fellas.
[02:53:31] <Mad_Ape> Hahah @ the trolling in the site update thread.
[03:01:07] -!- SadJuggs [SadJuggs!~027af394@2.122.yoj.tgs] has joined #Soylent
[03:01:15] <Mad_Ape> what's wrong sadjuggs?
[03:02:33] <SadJuggs> Seems my VPS running ZNC took a brain fart. So here I am, a SoyCow for now :)
[03:02:58] <Mad_Ape> You could call yourself "udders"
[03:03:30] <SadJuggs> I could, but I'd rather not be hanging from the underside of a cow.
[03:04:25] <crutchy> atleast you didn't come in as 'mastitis'
[03:04:35] <Bytram> !uid
[03:04:35] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5450, owned by Soupbowl
[03:06:34] <Bytram> interesting! on june 1st, we were at UID: 5290 which means we've added about 160 nicks in about 5 days... that's quite an up-tick!
[03:06:35] <SadJuggs> I hope the support person that picks up my ticket has a sense of humour. I was a little silly in my plea for help on the vps. I hope to bring a smile to a tech support person's face..... I've been there, it sucks.
[03:07:08] <crutchy> Bytram, prolly trolls
[03:09:14] <Bytram> SadJuggs: humor goes a *long* way! I often have to make a call to assist a customer... get some random person in one of possibly several call centers... what's your incident number? 900123. Do you have their ID available? Yes. Here's the license number: "2967804 EIEIO".
[03:09:25] <Bytram> get's a chuckle or a laugh better than half the time.
[03:09:27] <SadJuggs> It must be very ill, even the web interface can't bring up the console - just goes into an endless loop. Perhaps I got haxored - ohhhhnoooes! :D
[03:09:36] <Bytram> things go absolutely swimmingly after that!
[03:09:57] <Bytram> well, that was an interesting juxtapositioning!
[03:11:26] <Bytram> !uid
[03:11:26] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5450, owned by Soupbowl
[03:11:28] <SadJuggs> Bytram: not sure I got your refs there.
[03:12:02] * SadJuggs checks the weblogs to see when the juggs bouncer flaked out
[03:12:27] <Bytram> poor sap on the phone at the call center has heard nothing but numbers and stuff all day, I give 'em the info they request, and then in my best 'Old MacDonald had a Farm' voice I can muster, I add 'EIEIO'
[03:12:59] <Bytram> http://soylentnews.org
[03:13:00] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Friend/Foe System ( https://soylentnews.org )
[03:13:21] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[03:14:11] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[03:14:12] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Friend/Foe System
[03:14:26] <crutchy> oh wow. now the SN editors are being trolled for not editing the edits of other editors
[03:14:36] <crutchy> https://soylentnews.org
[03:14:37] <systemd> ^ 03SN comment by [02Anonymous Coward] (02Score:0)
[03:14:43] <SadJuggs> Always be nice to phone support people... it's not their fault. Whatever the problem is, it's not their fault.
[03:15:23] <crutchy> i only blame support people for shitty support, which if shitty is their fault
[03:15:27] <Bytram> crutchy: yeah, I saw it... wanted to jump in but I think I'll let the community have a stab at it, first.
[03:15:35] <Mad_Ape> I never worked in a support capacity, but I've worked plenty of retail. And if you're a dick customer, I'm gonna dick you somehow, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
[03:15:59] <Bytram> SadJuggs: you got THAT right! They're doing the best they can with what they got, and they are usually overworked and underappreciated.
[03:16:03] <SadJuggs> Mad_Ape: exactly. The one person who can help you is not the person to piss off.
[03:17:01] <Mad_Ape> I did get drunk one time and be an asshole to AT&T support because I was a moron about how Android worked.
[03:17:25] <Mad_Ape> "What happened to all my data? Why are there contacts in my phone I don't want there?"
[03:17:26] <SadJuggs> I'm not surer I like this white on black thing we have going on with the web interface for IRC. It reminds me I need to ditch my screen as I can clearly se the back lights.
[03:17:52] <Bytram> We've had a coupokle folks come through and raise a mighty stink to get what they want... they eventually get it... but guess what? They find it a little bit difficult to get that extra-attentive service when they show up after that.
[03:18:13] <SadJuggs> Ooh - OK - my VPS provider just credited my $20 according to my mail popup toaster thing.... /me goes to investigate
[03:18:33] <crutchy> 00now we can talk shit about juggs :D
[03:18:36] <Bytram> time to get some food. biab
[03:18:38] <Bytram> afk
[03:19:16] <SadJuggs> You have been granted a credit on VPSProvider! Booyah!
[03:19:55] <SadJuggs> No mention whether they fixed the problem, just a credit with a Booyah! Funny guys :D
[03:21:02] <SadJuggs> Oop... and now a ticket response... /me goes to investigate
[03:22:43] <Mad_Ape> Being helpdesk in a corporate environment sounds pretty cushy though
[03:23:04] <Mad_Ape> password resets and giving privs to engineers all day erryday.
[03:23:17] <Mad_Ape> Nobody's rude.
[03:24:28] <crutchy> as an engineer, i don't have a problem with IT unless they push their technocratic bureaucracy down my throat
[03:24:50] <crutchy> if they stop me from doing my jerb, i'll sidestep them every time :D
[03:25:31] <crutchy> (even if it means setting up our own servers)
[03:26:46] <Mad_Ape> Right before I got laid off we had to go to an IT meeting hosted by corporate because a dumb bitch in sales got phished and the phishers were able to extract customer account information and actually charged the customer and stole money.
[03:27:27] <crutchy> ooh sounds nasty
[03:27:38] <Mad_Ape> The slide show and presentation was pretty interesting -- The CTO of the whole corporation told everybody that China has 100 hackers dedicated to hacking "just this company".
[03:28:04] <Mad_Ape> One of the slides showed a shadowy silhouette of an evildoer with the Chinese flag in the background.
[03:28:06] <crutchy> in a country of 1.3 billion, that actually wouldn't surprise me
[03:28:17] <crutchy> or whatever the population is
[03:28:30] <Mad_Ape> Then another slide depicted security as "whack-a-mole" with Edward Snowden's picture on the side of the "game"
[03:29:25] <Mad_Ape> It led to my division removing all admin privs, which was a hell of a headache when trying to use engineering software.
[03:30:06] <Mad_Ape> "hey engineer, help me install your software." "Ask IT." "Hey, IT, help me install this engineer's software." "You'll have to ask that engineer."
[03:30:12] <crutchy> that's pretty much the crux right there. engineers want privs, but IT gurus usually don't like giving them, so there are problems
[03:30:34] <crutchy> more often than not the IT guys will come off second-best
[03:30:46] <crutchy> then they get pissy
[03:31:00] -!- SirFinkus has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com]
[03:32:33] <crutchy> its not that i don't appreciate what IT guys do, but a lot of them seem to have a low opinion of engineers IT knowledge
[03:32:47] <crutchy> which may be justified sometimes, but not generally
[03:33:05] <Mad_Ape> agreed, crutchy, but it's always that one dipshit who ruins it for errybody.
[03:33:49] <crutchy> but they seem to think that the one dipshit couldn't possibly ever be on their team
[03:34:02] <Mad_Ape> Or, and I really hate to say this, older engineers who didn't get their engineering training concurrently with using the internet and having that security mindset.
[03:34:05] <crutchy> gotta be one of the 'lusers' that fucks up
[03:34:36] <crutchy> most older engineers don't tend to demand IT privileges (in my experience anyway)
[03:34:48] <crutchy> if they can't get the computer to work, they just delegate :p
[03:34:50] <Mad_Ape> Old people rock when they stay on top of things. Unfortunately, many of them don't. And I did see a lot who were about to retire and really didn't give a fuck.
[03:35:30] <crutchy> you're right that they don't give a fuck though
[03:36:20] <SadJuggs> Mad_Ape: when you've been fucked over often enough, the shrug comes out. It will get you sooner or later :D You just ain't got there yet :)
[03:36:24] <crutchy> most older engineers i've worked with are disgusted at the focus of 'tech-based engineering' at the expense of first-priciples and judgement
[03:37:13] <Mad_Ape> Juggs, I learned that lesson right near the end of my last gig. It got kinda ugly. I was really prickly and publicly mindfucking some of my coworkers.
[03:37:23] <crutchy> a lot of graduates nowadays can't even make a decision unless the computer tells them what it should be
[03:38:00] <Mad_Ape> crutchy, I think among other things the free access to information is one cause of that.
[03:38:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Intel Skylake & Broxton Graphics Processors To Start Mandating Binary Blobs - http://sylnt.us - no-intel-ligence
[03:38:47] <crutchy> not so much access to internet. a lot of programs just don't work without privs
[03:38:50] <Mad_Ape> back in the day, when people were in school, they HAD to study. They HAD to go to the fucking library and touch the material to a sufficient degree to actually learn it.
[03:38:52] <SadJuggs> Seems my VPS got nailed by a hypervisor update. Thing should have just come back up right after, but it seems even they can't tame it. We're trading funnies while they try to apply bandages.
[03:39:11] <crutchy> and when we try to tell them things like "we need windows xp to run this program" they just get confused
[03:39:32] <Mad_Ape> we had that problem, crutchy.
[03:40:05] <crutchy> "well just run virtual xp mode" is the usual response
[03:40:10] <Mad_Ape> We still had DOS fucking software deployed ON THE PRODUCTION FLOOR.
[03:40:29] <crutchy> when we tell them the program has some stupid dongle thing that won't work with vm's, they get even more confused
[03:40:41] <SadJuggs> Fair enough if it is suitably isolated. CNC stuff is often way out of date.
[03:40:50] <Mad_Ape> The magical solution to all that was to push to port all test software to labView, which is pretty much a ground-up rewrite for errything.
[03:41:03] <crutchy> haha. labview :)
[03:41:10] <crutchy> matlab is pretty cool too
[03:41:24] * crutchy doesn't have access to matlab in his current jerb :(
[03:41:28] <Mad_Ape> no joke...even the fucking DATABASE interfaces were starting to be ported to labview.
[03:41:46] <crutchy> heh. we use microsoft access mainly
[03:41:53] <crutchy> its shameful, but meh it works mostly
[03:41:57] <Mad_Ape> Yeah, that's true, juggs. You shouldn't need to upgrade if you have unimportant air-gapped systems that run XP.
[03:42:13] <Mad_Ape> I think a lot of pick 'n' place machines run old versions of Windows as well.
[03:42:31] <Mad_Ape> crutchy, what do you use at work for a CAS?
[03:42:37] <crutchy> things like nc and old programs are usually why engineers just take things into their own hands. cos usually its just easier
[03:42:46] <crutchy> CAS?
[03:43:07] * crutchy wonders if he should know that acronym
[03:43:18] <Mad_Ape> Computer algebra system. Like Matlab, Mathematica, Maple, and the most modern graphing calculators.
[03:43:26] <crutchy> ah
[03:43:47] <Mad_Ape> Maple++
[03:43:47] <Bender> karma - maple: 1
[03:43:53] <crutchy> hand calcs, or if the reporting is heavy we use TEDDS, or if the numbercrunching is heavy we use FEA
[03:44:34] <crutchy> or excel even :D
[03:44:45] <crutchy> excel++ # it just works
[03:44:45] <Bender> karma - excel: 1
[03:44:57] * Mad_Ape worked for a place that used excel AS A FOOKING DATABASE
[03:45:33] <crutchy> compliance stuff uses an inhouse developed php app cos it hooks into the FEA package
[03:46:02] <crutchy> lol yeah i dunno if i would use excel for that, but if its fairly simple db i guess it would be possible
[03:46:03] <ciri> hehehe
[03:46:22] <Mad_Ape> crutchy, it was used to record test data.
[03:46:39] * crutchy found excel to be very limited for test data (due to row limitation)
[03:46:49] <Mad_Ape> so you'd test something relatively simple, with like 6 or 7 parameters, and write that data along with the serial to each row.
[03:46:58] <crutchy> we generally developed things like delphi or labview programs for datalogging
[03:47:34] <Mad_Ape> Word on the street is that LabView is a bitch to debug.
[03:47:45] <Mad_Ape> (labview VIs, rather)
[03:48:02] <crutchy> yeah i never used labview, but not many people i worked with could just whip up a delphi program
[03:48:26] <crutchy> even though delphi usually kicks ass for crunching huge amounts of data
[03:48:35] <crutchy> (well, compiled apps)
[03:49:55] <crutchy> labview is ok for low bandwidth data like from altimeters
[03:50:15] <crutchy> (value doesn't change much over a fraction of a second)
[03:57:06] * SadJuggs gets new toaster from VPSSupport.... /me goes to investigate (I'll name brand if this works out.. it's been the most silly support ticket)
[03:57:37] <Bytram> back
[03:58:12] <Bytram> SadJuggs: ummm, why would a VPS (Virtual Private Server) offer you a free toaster?
[03:58:27] <Bytram> and does it run linux? ;)
[03:58:37] <Mad_Ape> They gave juggs 20 bucks for his trouble.
[03:59:57] <Bytram> oh. and he reckons he can buy a toaster for $20 -- is that it?
[04:00:44] <Bytram> if juggs can reproduce the problem on demand, he should be able to work his way up to a minivan!
[04:01:19] <Mad_Ape> Bytram, using a similar technique, my friend hustled his cable company for extra sports packages.
[04:01:28] <Bytram> lol
[04:01:50] <crutchy> Bytram, he would need a free woman to make the most of said minivan
[04:02:10] <Mad_Ape> minivans rock.
[04:02:14] * Bytram notes that most that he has encountered are far from free
[04:02:27] <Bytram> Mad_Ape: then don't come knockin'
[04:06:35] <SadJuggs> Bytram: toaster = one of those pop-up notifications
[04:07:47] <Bytram> ok... I now understand the strange use of the term 'toaster' for 'pop up' notification -- I like the word play... but I think I'm coming in late on the discussion and missed something along the way.
[04:08:50] <chromas> in þe olden dayes, they used to pop up in the corner of the screen and make a burnt grain scent
[04:08:56] <SadJuggs> OK, I think they made me. Last reply mentioned "juggs" which I have never attached to that VPS account, the VPS name may have given it away though. I think the support dude maybe in here! Hunt them down! AAAAARGH!
[04:09:19] <SadJuggs> They're in here with us!
[04:09:29] SadJuggs is now known as mmm
[04:09:38] mmm is now known as AAAAARGH
[04:09:43] <Mad_Ape> Y'all are weird, man.
[04:09:46] AAAAARGH is now known as OKOKOKOK
[04:09:54] OKOKOKOK is now known as safe
[04:10:19] * safe whispers lost them I think
[04:10:26] safe is now known as RUN
[04:10:36] <Bytram> round and round the mulberry bush...
[04:10:41] <RUN> :D
[04:10:50] <Bytram> or is that 'ring around a rosie...'?
[04:11:06] RUN is now known as serpentine
[04:11:28] <serpentine> Oooh another toaster...
[04:11:45] <crutchy> serpentine, they really just made a request to the NSA for your details
[04:12:16] <Mad_Ape> This weirdness has reminded me that I have not smoked weed in approx. 5 hours. It's time for a hit.
[04:12:29] <crutchy> now they even have one of those stool analysis fittings on your sewerage line
[04:12:57] <crutchy> you will start receiving vitamin supplement adverts soon
[04:14:44] * Mad_Ape loves hearing that resin crackle
[04:14:47] <Mad_Ape> YUM!
[04:19:35] <serpentine> crutchy: what's the problem with "serpentine"? I thought it was just running away in a weavy way!
[04:19:58] serpentine is now known as straightline
[04:20:16] straightline is now known as deadmanshuffling
[04:22:11] <Mad_Ape> hha crutchy re: the fecal analysis
[04:23:08] <Mad_Ape> no joke. That will happen in the future. Every lease agreement will include consent to have uric and fecal, body odor, and other sensors; and all that data will be sold to whomever.
[04:24:17] <Mad_Ape> I often thought about that at work, crutchy...an employer could have a drug-detecting sensor in the toilet.
[04:25:03] <Mad_Ape> They wouldn't have a red light that beeps just yet, but what they would do is send somebody in to take a piss at the same time with a watch and note who was doing it.
[04:25:25] <Mad_Ape> In which urinal.
[04:25:54] <crutchy> i'm appreciative of having a decent job that pays well, so i really wouldn't care much what they did
[04:26:04] <deadmanshuffling> Oooh no VPS support guy went quiet on me..... he must be creeping, planning a sniper shot.... where is he? I know you're in here......
[04:26:21] <Mad_Ape> I'm appreciative of having no job but with savings and the dole.
[04:26:26] * crutchy points at NCommander
[04:26:47] * deadmanshuffling shotguns NCommander in the face...
[04:26:53] <crutchy> Mad_Ape, that appreciation will likely wear off quick
[04:27:04] <crutchy> i would go crazy without a jerb
[04:27:05] <Mad_Ape> I'
[04:27:14] <deadmanshuffling> You??
[04:27:26] <Mad_Ape> I'll be a full-time student....so, plenty of assholes to deal with nonetheless.
[04:27:29] <deadmanshuffling> can't type
[04:27:43] <Mad_Ape> deadmanshuffling, you really need to take your meds.
[04:27:49] <Mad_Ape> They make the bad voices go away.
[04:28:20] <Mad_Ape> I loved the job, but it was just time to part ways. Motherfuckers were eating each other alive in there.
[04:28:29] <Mad_Ape> It would have been an excellent corporate case-study.
[04:29:50] <deadmanshuffling> Mad_Ape: says you??! I'm just having fun with VPSsupport, drinking a bud. They've been good sports so far. If you can't laugh at life, what is left.
[04:30:15] <Mad_Ape> You gotta good point, deadmanshuffling.
[04:31:17] deadmanshuffling is now known as corpse
[04:31:35] <corpse> Now I can chuckle from the grave!
[04:31:46] <corpse> muaahaahhaaaa
[04:32:47] <Mad_Ape> In the year 2525 is probably the coolest sci-fi song ever recorded.
[04:32:49] * Bytram fetches a mirror and a wooden stake
[04:33:02] * Bytram rummages around for some garlic, too. Just in case =)
[04:33:25] * Bytram notices the time and decides some sleep might also be a good idea
[04:33:41] <Mad_Ape> HAH! People with jobs and responsibilities...SUCKERS!
[04:34:37] <Bytram> time for some zzzzzzzzzzzz's
[04:34:40] <Bytram> g'night everyone!
[04:34:43] <Bytram> !uid
[04:34:43] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5452, owned by dogvomit
[04:34:47] <Bytram> lol
[04:34:47] <ciri> :D
[04:34:51] <Mad_Ape> heheheh
[04:35:00] <Mad_Ape> fuck off ciri.
[04:35:35] <Bytram> see ya all later; will prolly check back in on the 'morrow
[04:35:49] <Mad_Ape> Peace muthafucka
[04:35:59] <Bytram> oh, wait. it already *is* tomorrow! :/
[04:36:01] <Bytram> =)
[04:36:16] <Mad_Ape> only for east Coase
[04:36:40] * corpse is sad that VPSsupport guy went quiet... he was a good sport.... guy probably just got booted from his job for having a sense of humour... that's bad. I was going to transcript this as a positive story, now I have to transcript as a negative story.... "Area Support Guy has sense of humour, mothership ejects because off script"
[04:37:45] <corpse> Oh wait.... I got a toaster...
[04:42:06] <corpse> AAARGH.. they got him. VPSsupport is now channelling PR approved messages, I'm so sorry VPSsupport guy. I so hope you just went off shift and didn't get booted.
[04:42:32] <Mad_Ape> corpse, supervisors listen in to that shit.
[04:42:56] <corpse> Mad_Ape: it was all textual.
[04:43:41] * NCommander just got a decent trace
[04:44:42] <corpse> Mad_Ape: if he's been fired because of my ticket, then fuck them. The guy was doing good customer service. WTH is wrong with people. Must we all be miserable fucks?
[04:45:05] <corpse> o/ hey NCommander
[04:45:47] <corpse> Bytram: you better bring your silver bullets too!
[04:46:01] corpse is now known as Zombie
[04:46:34] Zombie is now known as Vampire
[04:46:41] Vampire is now known as ombie
[04:46:55] ombie is now known as Zombie
[04:47:26] <Zombie> I may have had too many skittles today....
[04:48:23] <Zombie> Did I just out ridiculous Ethanol........ I may have... :D
[04:48:39] <NCommander> Bytram, paulej72 TheMightyBuzzard: https://soylentnews.org
[04:48:40] <systemd> ^ 03SN comment by [02NCommander (2)] (02Score:2)
[04:48:45] <NCommander> I managed to catch the 500 on the logs
[04:48:52] <Mad_Ape> Zombie, you forgot the watermelon-flavored Arizona-brand Iced tea.
[04:49:30] <Zombie> Mad_Ape: I have no idea what you are on about, we drink tea here.
[04:50:15] * Mad_Ape grumbles American Skittles Arizona Iced Tea Zimmerman grumble grumble
[04:52:11] <Zombie> Shame my ticket has been passed off to a no sense of humour dude. Fair enough.
[04:52:27] <Mad_Ape> Zombie, sounds escalated.
[04:53:18] Zombie is now known as Undead
[04:53:47] <Undead> No, it's just ignored now the humour died.
[04:55:34] <Undead> I'll still transcript somewhere... not SN, that would not be the right place. Anyone got suggestions for where to post ridiculous support encounters?
[04:55:54] <Mad_Ape> the daily WTF comes to mind.
[04:56:13] <Mad_Ape> otherwise, you'd probably have to go to super-niche
[04:56:40] <Undead> Mad_Ape: that came to mind for me too, but shouldn't it be posted by the support being rather than that supported?
[04:57:18] <Mad_Ape> Undead, who cares? Submit that shit.
[04:57:53] <Mad_Ape> If you're undead you don't have much to lose.
[04:57:55] <Mad_Ape> haahahhaha
[04:58:06] Undead is now known as RottenCorpse
[04:58:18] <RottenCorpse> Touch my tombstone baby!
[04:58:25] <RottenCorpse> I dare ya
[04:58:33] RottenCorpse is now known as Zombie
[04:58:55] * Zombie waits in the ground
[05:00:37] <Zombie> I'll post when the issue is resolved. Apparently the case has been taken over by serious area guy.... he's probably wondering wtf went on in the ticket scrolback.
[05:00:38] <chromas> https://www.reddit.com
[05:00:38] <systemd> ^✓ 03Tales From Tech Support
[05:01:17] <Mad_Ape> reddit? Come on, man.
[05:01:35] <Mad_Ape> Fuck those libtard bastards.
[05:01:55] <chromas> It was good enough for slashdotters teo or three exoduses ago
[05:02:29] <Mad_Ape> well, those fuckers were stupid.
[05:03:12] <chromas> it has teh pr0nz. There may even be a section dedicated to extensions
[05:03:32] <Zombie> didn't we have like two or three plagues since that last exodus? Why aee you wearing a mankini Eth? What is wrong with you?
[05:04:04] * Mad_Ape is wearing pure cotton athletic shorts with no underwear or anything else right now
[05:04:27] <chromas> These are important facts
[05:04:43] <Mad_Ape> This place is where all of the people who weren't dumbfucks went.
[05:04:51] <Mad_Ape> The rest went to Reddit.
[05:05:03] <Mad_Ape> 3 of them went to Pipedot.
[05:05:05] <chromas> Years ago, befor eSoylent
[05:05:05] <ciri> 4
[05:05:06] <ciri> 5
[05:05:08] <ciri> 6
[05:05:10] <ciri> 7
[05:05:12] <ciri> 8
[05:05:12] <Zombie> Noooo!
[05:05:14] <ciri> 9
[05:05:16] <ciri> 10!
[05:05:19] <chromas> ciri++
[05:05:19] <Bender> karma - ciri: -12
[05:05:21] <chromas> ++ciri
[05:05:21] <systemd> Karma - ciri: 12
[05:05:25] <Zombie> ciri++
[05:05:25] <Bender> karma - ciri: -11
[05:05:31] -!- juggs [juggs!~juggs@Soylent/Staff/IRC/juggs] has joined #Soylent
[05:05:31] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v juggs] by Imogen
[05:05:37] <chromas> woohoo++
[05:05:37] <Bender> karma - woohoo: 6
[05:05:39] <Mad_Ape> and comp.misc? I don't even want to look at all the horrors dwelling there.
[05:05:49] <Zombie> Ooooh hello! Apparently I exist again!
[05:06:01] * Zombie pokes jugs
[05:06:14] * Zombie pokes juggs in the side-boob.
[05:06:42] <Mad_Ape> I hate slamming Pipedot but it sure looks good.
[05:06:56] <NCommander> hey Mad_Ape
[05:06:57] <Zombie> Wow - there I am with my + and my purple colour....
[05:07:10] <chromas> juggs: you're not on the Soylent znc?
[05:07:19] <NCommander> We have a Soylent znc?
[05:07:20] <Mad_Ape> Ncommander, saw the post. How's it going?
[05:07:33] <Zombie> chromas: no, I run my own
[05:07:40] <chromas> tsk tsk
[05:07:49] <Zombie> NCommander: yes we have our own ZNC
[05:07:50] <chromas> ciri: juggs is not a team player
[05:08:05] <Zombie> chromas: I like my privacy
[05:08:30] * chromas connects up to juggs' soyvices
[05:10:17] <Zombie> Seriously chromas? What is wrong with you? Get out of my services.... that is for ejection only.
[05:10:39] * chromas prematurely ejects
[05:11:51] <Zombie> chromas, you want this blue pill or this red one....
[05:11:55] * Mad_Ape reloads vino
[05:12:11] <chromas> Which was the murder pill?
[05:12:20] * Zombie regrets everything
[05:12:49] * chromas notes that those guys were terrorists
[05:13:43] <Zombie> which guys?
[05:13:50] Zombie is now known as sniper
[05:13:54] <chromas> Morpheus & co
[05:14:29] sniper is now known as Harpie
[05:14:58] * Harpie owns you all by draining your wallet after divorce... you lose.
[05:15:12] <chromas> The poor robots just wanted to live their own life but then some religious nutjerbs came into power with a scorched earth policy. The robots put the humans into VR so they could still enjoy a decent life instead of living in the dark
[05:15:44] <chromas> Eating porridge every day for decades on end
[05:15:58] Harpie is now known as porridge
[05:16:04] <porridge> Eat me!
[05:16:11] porridge is now known as baconNeg
[05:16:15] * chromas would prefer to eat jugs
[05:16:26] baconNeg is now known as pancake
[05:16:35] <chromas> neg is also a verb so
[05:16:48] <chromas> whn repeating, baconReNegger
[05:16:56] <pancake> so? That's a hanging sentence
[05:17:39] <chromas> !fight pancake vs hotcake
[05:17:41] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: hotcake beats pancake by 95,100,000 to 62,700,000!
[05:17:45] <chromas> !fight pancake vs flapjack
[05:17:45] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: pancake beats flapjack by 62,700,000 to 958,000!
[05:17:53] <pancake> YAH!
[05:18:12] <chromas> !fight griddle vs flapjack
[05:18:13] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: griddle beats flapjack by 9,210,000 to 958,000!
[05:18:15] <chromas> !fight griddlecake vs flapjack
[05:18:16] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: flapjack beats griddlecake by 958,000 to 109,000!
[05:18:28] <pancake> Why do you do this?
[05:18:43] <pancake> There is nothing good to come of it
[05:19:00] <chromas> Because you are tasty and I wish to intimidate you onto my plate
[05:19:17] pancake is now known as TRex
[05:19:22] <TRex> You think mofo?
[05:19:32] * TRex slaps chromas
[05:19:35] <Mad_Ape> mmm, pancakes.
[05:19:51] * chromas takes 2334 damage
[05:19:59] <Mad_Ape> buttermilk, with embedded walnuts and real Maple syrup.
[05:20:06] * TRex slaps chromas
[05:20:07] * TRex slaps chromas
[05:20:07] * TRex slaps chromas
[05:20:15] <Mad_Ape> and unsalted butter.
[05:20:24] * TRex climbs Empire State Building
[05:20:58] <Mad_Ape> seeing that cold unsalted butter melt into warm syrup atop a 3-stack of hot buttermilk pancakes....
[05:21:09] * Mad_Ape AGHGHUGHGUGHUGUGUGHGHG
[05:21:18] * Mad_Ape masturbates furiously
[05:21:48] <TRex> Yeh... that seemed like a good plan... I'll just climb this singular tall thing as an escape route... even though it leads nowhere... not sure I thought this out.
[05:22:12] * systemd drops a Phoenix Down on chromas
[05:22:23] <Mad_Ape> TRex, it was some phallic allegory, or something.
[05:24:30] <TRex> Fuggit... I'll just be angry at the top of this tall thing rather than climbing down.... that's what I'm goin to do. Climbing down looks easy and all, but nah, I'm up here and it looks beautiful. I'm staying.
[05:25:32] * TRex abeils and runs away.... someone started firing... did I mention I'm a coward?
[05:25:53] <TRex> abseils*
[05:26:06] <TRex> is that spelt right? I have no idea
[05:33:31] <Mad_Ape> TRex, that was pretty awesome of the mad ape to climb to the top of the tower.
[05:34:01] <Mad_Ape> Not really smart, but awesome.
[05:36:03] <TRex> I know right, I still have my base jump chute and a shotgun with one shell... /me climbs
[05:36:14] <Mad_Ape> This is a really awesome King-kong video
[05:36:15] <Mad_Ape> https://www.youtube.com
[05:36:15] <systemd> ^✓ 03The Misfits-I am a Giant - YouTube
[05:36:21] <Mad_Ape> with lesbian overtones.
[05:36:44] <Mad_Ape> and really cool to watch to boot.
[05:39:48] <TRex> Wait... is anyone expected to make sense of what transpired here tonight? I think we went beyond silly. Into silliness and Beyonddddd!
[05:40:19] TRex is now known as proton
[05:40:39] <Mad_Ape> Not having to work for a living really takes the edge off of potential racists.
[05:41:01] <proton> wut?
[05:41:11] <Mad_Ape> wut wut, in the BUTT.
[05:43:51] <proton> don't make me reconnect juggs ETH.... you don't want that.
[05:44:44] <Mad_Ape> You cannot bargain with a man who has nothing to lose, Juggs.
[05:45:30] <juggs> .kick Mad_Ape
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[05:45:50] <proton> Oh yes I can
[05:47:51] <juggs> Who are you proton?
[05:48:32] <juggs> .kick proton
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[05:49:16] <juggs> Damn imposters. :)
[05:49:35] * juggs reinstates the normality field
[05:51:50] * NCommander fights
[05:51:52] <NCommander> hey juggs
[05:53:06] <juggs> NCommander, hi. Apologies for that ridiculous interlude.
[06:10:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Researchers Create Bioartificial Replacement Limbs Suitable for Transplantation - http://sylnt.us - brave-new-world
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[07:59:15] * NCommander is about to break down and burn everything to the ground
[08:02:43] <SirFinkus> oh shit, you're up late
[08:03:29] <SirFinkus> site blow up again?
[08:06:56] <NCommander> SirFinkus, frustated as fuck
[08:07:04] <NCommander> SirFinkus, it loads very slowly in Firefox, very fast in Chrome
[08:07:10] <NCommander> I can't get anywhere with these 500s
[08:07:37] <SirFinkus> hmm, if it helps, things are snappy in safari, although that's webkit too
[08:08:11] <SirFinkus> oh, nevermind :(
[08:08:34] <NCommander> SirFinkus, can you check it in firefox
[08:09:16] <SirFinkus> works fine as AC
[08:09:28] <SirFinkus> I got an internal error on safari though
[08:09:49] <SirFinkus> clicking the 147 words in story link
[08:10:02] <SirFinkus> refreshed and it worked fine
[08:12:20] <SirFinkus> how long you been working on it?
[08:12:21] <ciri> don't ask me!
[08:12:35] <SirFinkus> I didn't
[08:12:38] <SirFinkus> and never would
[08:13:41] <NCommander> SirFinkus, long enough that I want to chuck it out the window
[08:13:45] * NCommander is not in a good head space
[08:14:13] <NCommander> SirFinkus, ACs get more caching than regular users
[08:16:52] <NCommander> paulej72, TheMightyBuzzard: I dunno if its a red herring or not, but I think every once in awhile, memcached is sending us bad data
[08:18:14] <SirFinkus> hmm, might be a case of sleep on it, works pretty well for me usually
[08:18:53] <SirFinkus> 8/10 if I'm working on a hard problem like that, if I take an hour (or a night) and come back to it, the solution is obvious
[08:20:12] * SirFinkus should post an update on his wang
[08:22:53] <NCommander> As a fucking sanity check, I'm just going to reboot the frontend
[08:23:19] <NCommander> slash@fluorine:~$ uptime
[08:23:19] <NCommander> 08:23:13 up 91 days, 16:53, 2 users, load average: 0.12, 0.13, 0.14
[08:23:19] <NCommander> Yeah
[08:23:54] <SirFinkus> based on the error I had, my guess is that users aren't getting served up uncached queries
[08:24:10] <SirFinkus> the caching itself works, just not the fetch and display to user part
[08:24:25] <SirFinkus> once it's cached (I'd guess) it loads fine
[08:24:44] <NCommander> SirFinkus, well, sometimes its different errors, but same type
[08:24:52] <NCommander> frontend server is down
[08:24:54] <SirFinkus> have you tried clearing the cache and seeing if more errors are generated?
[08:25:51] <SirFinkus> apologies if my stuff is off based, it is wildly uninformed and based purely on speculation
[08:26:50] <SirFinkus> "have you tried rebooting it?"
[08:26:59] <SirFinkus> "is it plugged in?"
[08:29:28] <NCommander> SirFinkus, I did
[08:31:46] <NCommander> paulej72, TheMightyBuzzard: second issue is Firefox is very slow, I think its related to Keep-Alive from varnish not being abled ...
[08:32:51] <SirFinkus> well, I'm off to bed, https://www.youtube.com NCommander
[08:32:52] <systemd> ^ 03Keep Fucking That Chicken by Ernie Anastos on Fox 5 WNYW - YouTube
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[13:03:33] <Bytram> !uid
[13:03:33] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5455, owned by ransak
[13:43:01] <Landon> woot
[13:43:04] <Landon> https://lfowles.org
[13:43:08] <Landon> check out that shiny new cert
[13:43:10] <systemd> ^ 03Landon A. Fowles | Landon A. Fowles
[13:48:48] <janrinok> It looks good Landon, except I get a '!' indicating that the encryption in use is 'not strong enough'. FF 38.0
[13:49:56] <janrinok> Landon: ^
[14:10:00] <Landon> janrinok: nothing I can do about that I think
[14:10:06] <Landon> lemme look though
[14:11:12] <Landon> oh I get the same now
[14:11:22] <janrinok> ooh, that's a pity
[14:11:36] <Landon> https://www.ssllabs.com gave me a good report last night
[14:11:37] <systemd> ^ 03SSL Server Test: lfowles.org (Powered by Qualys SSL Labs)
[14:11:40] <Landon> but the encryption schemes was confusing
[14:12:02] <Landon> it was all "Disable these schemes, because they're weak" then after I did that "No, enable those schemes but disable the other schemes because they're weak"
[14:12:18] <Landon> I think that's what the browser is referring to, which in this case I can do something about it
[14:12:58] <janrinok> OK, I'm just running the test in that link too
[14:13:40] <janrinok> gets an 'A' rating which looks good
[14:14:01] <janrinok> 2048 bit key should be enough for anybody!
[14:14:49] <Landon> looks like I do have some http elements (js and favicon) though
[14:14:50] <Landon> fixing that
[14:15:23] <Landon> that was it in my firefox version :) lock is enabled
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[14:16:57] <Landon> it's fun getting these A ratings once the rube goldberg machine works! but until then, fucking banging your head
[14:17:15] <janrinok> true
[14:17:20] <Landon> I had my initial certificate emails bounced because of the new greylisting setup o n the mail server last night >.<
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[14:45:24] <takyonAFK> http://www.npr.org
[14:45:29] <systemd> ^ 03Convicted Murders Manage 'Extraordinary' Prison Break In New York : The Two-Way : NPR
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[15:30:41] <Techwolf> Hmmm....all stories after 1:44AM are showing zero commments on the front page for me.
[15:31:58] <n1> i just noticed that
[15:32:20] <n1> also, anyone noticed any bugs in moderating comments?
[15:36:51] <Techwolf> I have done any mods today. Sorry.
[15:37:09] <Techwolf> not done thatnis
[15:38:25] <Techwolf> Also, is there a way to check to see if the site is using gzip? With ssl, ngrep is usless for checking that gzip is working.
[15:46:07] <Techwolf> Chrome dev tools just confermed qzip is being used in the responce code.
[15:49:34] <n1> cant answer you there, paulej72 or NCommander should be able to
[16:34:23] <Techwolf> doh, n1 != NC lol
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[17:44:21] <Techwolf> In reference to mod bugs asked earler, just now got the empty drop down box. Can't mod.
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[18:03:21] <n1> i had that, a long empty dropdown box, but was able to mod another comment, but in doing so it seemed to eat all of my remaining mod points, not just the one for that actual moderation.
[18:06:03] * Subsentient remembers the glory of the mouse cursor theme he made http://xfce-look.org
[18:06:04] <systemd> ^ 03Virtue Mouse Cursor theme Xfce-Look.org
[18:13:28] <chromas> Is that a mouse wheel for the Waiting icons?
[18:29:30] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, you around?
[18:29:40] * NCommander just woke up and remains frustated
[18:37:43] <Bytram> NCommander: he popped in earlier today, but had to go to work.
[18:39:37] <NCommander> Bytram, I think I figured out how to fix the Firefox slowness
[18:39:51] <Bytram> WooHoo!
[18:40:02] * Bytram uses pale moon, so not sure if I was getting it, too.
[18:40:19] <NCommander> Bytram, is your page loads near instance or taking 4-5 seconds?
[18:40:26] <Bytram> then again, with my connection, it prolly wouldn't show.
[18:40:38] <Bytram> NCommander: mine always take about 10 seconds :/
[18:41:04] <Bytram> if I get 65KB/sec, that's screaming fast for me.
[18:41:43] <Bytram> btw, I ran into a strange problem logging in this AM (around 11am EDT)
[18:42:24] <Bytram> had deleted all my cookies and cache on my mobile, loaded the main page using https, entered my nick and pwd in the side bar, and clicked login
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[18:42:54] <Bytram> no 'Danger Will RObinson' message, but was still on the main page, and still not logged in.
[18:43:04] <Bytram> so I tried again, and was more careful entering my pwd
[18:43:25] <Bytram> same result. still on main page, still not logged in, and still no 'Danger' message
[18:43:34] <Bytram> tried a third time, same result.
[18:43:46] <Bytram> decided to try logging in from the login page
[18:43:55] <Bytram> clicked the login link under navigation
[18:44:10] <NCommander> Shit
[18:44:11] <ciri> well flush it!!
[18:44:12] <NCommander> I broke it
[18:44:26] <Bytram> and... ta da... I was logged in w/o having to re-enter anything
[18:44:38] <Bytram> found myself on my user page.
[18:44:56] <Bytram> clicked the SN icon at the top, which brought me back to the main page, and I was still logged in.
[18:45:03] <Bytram> this was as user 'bytram'
[18:45:36] <chromas> ciri is a back-seat dev
[18:45:37] <Bytram> sure *felt* like something we'd run into many months ago with varnish(?) needing to get restarted.
[18:46:14] <NCommander> Bytram, I just hosed the LB
[18:46:49] <NCommander> shit shit shit
[18:46:54] <NCommander> $!@#%$
[18:46:58] <NCommander> Why wasn't this backed up
[18:48:15] <NCommander> We're partially back
[18:48:31] <NCommander> SSL is fubared
[18:48:32] <NCommander> Ugh
[18:48:33] <NCommander> Shit
[18:48:44] <NCommander> Damn it, why isn't anyone around?
[18:49:06] * juggs is around, but can only spectate
[18:49:29] <Bytram> NCommander: I'm happy to do what I can to help in isolating problem
[18:49:48] * Bytram wonders if dev has same problem and goes to check it out
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[18:50:29] <chromas> "expired" cert. Is the cert cached in varnish?
[18:52:15] <NCommander> chromas, no, it was on the linode control panel. Appartantly switching the mode zeroed it out
[18:52:20] <NCommander> I'm trying to find if we have it somewhere
[18:54:05] <chromas> I can export it from my browser. Not sure if that's useful
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[18:54:54] <chromas> that'd probably make it less trustworthy
[18:55:18] <Yog-Yogguth> have you all been made aware of the lapsed certificate thing? Is it real or MITM?
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[18:55:28] <n1> 's real
[18:55:36] <juggs> Hi Yog-Yogguth - yup we are aware and working in it
[18:55:37] <Yog-Yogguth> thanks :)
[18:55:39] <n1> having some technical difficulties at the moment
[18:55:49] <juggs> s/in/on/
[18:55:49] <sedctl> <juggs> Hi Yog-Yogguth - yup we are aware and workong in it
[18:55:54] <Gravis> oh, so you do know that front page is totally jacked. :P
[18:55:55] <juggs> damn :D
[18:56:09] <Yog-Yogguth> :)
[18:56:10] <juggs> yup Gravis
[18:56:14] <Gravis> also certificate issues
[18:56:17] <juggs> yup
[18:56:19] <chromas> They did it on purpose to get more people into irc :D
[18:56:24] <Yog-Yogguth> lol
[18:56:24] <ciri> heh
[18:56:26] <Gravis> lol
[18:56:27] <ciri> rofl
[18:56:32] <fliptop> nice
[18:56:32] <juggs> NCommander, is on point dealing with it :)
[18:56:38] <Yog-Yogguth> very happy the irc didn't throw any exceptions though ;)
[18:56:58] <NCommander> Yog-Yogguth, I'm aware
[18:57:04] <Yog-Yogguth> (yes I'm using the web interface)
[18:57:18] <NCommander> Yog-Yogguth, I fucked up the certificate and I can't get in contact with anyone
[18:57:47] <Yog-Yogguth> guess that's life, it's better than the alternatives XD
[18:57:53] <chromas> Did it nuke the key too?
[18:58:27] <janrinok> yep
[18:58:33] <juggs> http is working OK now. Just https is still wobbly with it's out of date cert
[18:58:40] <janrinok> well, deleted it temporarily
[18:58:40] <juggs> its
[18:59:28] <Bytram> I suppose I could 'Add Exception' to trust it for the time being, but then how would I test when the new cert is installed?
[18:59:52] <NCommander> Not on the tech wiki
[19:00:04] <NCommander> juggs, I'm working on it as best I can
[19:00:09] <Bytram> ahhhh, just don't click the 'Permanently store this exception' checkbox!
[19:00:22] <Gravis> i think this sums up everyone's response to the front page: http://mixedmartialartsandcrafts.com
[19:00:24] * Bytram will put up a quick story noting the prob
[19:01:01] <n1> lol, Gravis
[19:04:07] <juggs> Firefox is positively evil with its warning page now. It no longer gives the "I understand" options with the option to see what is up with the cert, instead it encourages the user to "Report this error" to "help us identify and block malicious sites. Thanks for helping create a safer web!". Palemoon still has the older FF options to add exception etc. :/
[19:04:38] <n1> what version of FF, juggs
[19:04:53] <juggs> v38.0
[19:05:44] <n1> im on 38 and still have the same old one
[19:05:49] <juggs> It really is quite Chrome-like. The Preferences screen has gone all flat too
[19:06:43] <juggs> Ohh.. OK, just refreshed, now I see the Technical Details / I Understand the Risks dialogue... odd. Perhaps I caught it mid-bounce before.
[19:06:47] <Gravis> ahh, this is more like it: http://38.media.tumblr.com
[19:07:02] <juggs> lol
[19:07:09] <n1> unacceptable!
[19:07:17] <janrinok> Gravis: spot on!
[19:07:18] <juggs> That's NC right now I think :D
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[19:14:15] <Yog> still here, just messing about
[19:14:57] <Yog> oh... I see the TLS version of the chat is also having the same issues?
[19:15:13] <janrinok> not much good news at the moment!
[19:16:14] <Yog> must be because it's a sunday :D
[19:16:27] <juggs> I think the TLS cert on the ircd (if you are connecting directly with a client) is self-signed. Makes IRC some clients throw a fit.
[19:16:31] <janrinok> ...or something like that :)
[19:19:17] <Yog> thank you, looking at it closer that seems to be it
[19:20:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - European Parliament Divided on Air Passenger Privacy - http://sylnt.us - one-side-is-talking-sense
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[19:26:34] <juggs> Yog, we don't have a wildcard certificate as yet so pretty much everything but the https web server is self-signed.
[19:34:41] <juggs> .topic SN Main Channel - Yes, we are having technical difficulties with https right now.... we're working on it :) | Useful links: http://sylnt.us | This channel IS logged and publically displayed
[19:34:41] Imogen changed topic of #Soylent to: SN Main Channel - Yes, we are having technical difficulties with https right now.... we're working on it :) | Useful links: http://sylnt.us | This channel IS logged and publically displayed
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[19:37:17] <Yog> (that's me as well) it's not your fault janrinok, it's xchat's fault :)
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[19:39:00] <TLA> site's busted :(
[19:39:01] <juggs> Yep xchat / Hexchat just point blank refuses to connect unless you select the option to "Accept Invalid SSL Certficates" - not ideal really - I'd rather it present an option to inspect and accept a particular certificate.
[19:39:15] <juggs> TLA, we know... we're working on it
[19:40:04] <TLA> :) I went the accept invalid cert route and got plain html - stylesheets are kinda not there, is that a known symptom?
[19:40:41] <TLA> nm,
[19:40:53] <TLA> opened new TLA ab, loads ok now
[19:40:53] <Bytram> TLA: I didn't notice any probs,could still be in my cache
[19:41:02] <Bytram> kewel!
[19:41:04] <TLA> tab
[19:42:37] <TLA> oh fer... bb, I got a windows imploder issue... need to reboot
[19:43:02] <Yog-Yogguth> cya TLA
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[19:44:39] <Ceefbake> so I got this netbook next to my main box...
[19:44:47] <Ceefbake> <-TLA
[19:45:18] <juggs> Always handy to have a few boxes around :)
[19:45:26] <Ceefbake> site loaded fine on here after the cert thing
[19:45:33] <Ceefbake> oh yes
[19:45:41] <Ceefbake> had one explode on me yesterday
[19:45:55] <Ceefbake> was my favourite desktop board, too :(
[19:46:32] <Ceefbake> having a funeral for my VIA Eden tomorrow
[19:46:37] <juggs> always the way
[19:46:54] <Ceefbake> why couldn't it have been my P4 board??
[19:46:57] <Ceefbake> WHY!?
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[19:47:43] <juggs> Because the P4 board was hand carved from a single slab of unobtanium by master craftsmen?
[19:48:19] <Ceefbake> yep, that'll be it. Also, it says HP on the BIOS string.
[19:48:31] <Ceefbake> it did come out of an HP
[19:49:59] <Ceefbake> I got it sitting over there rendering wedding videos in HD 24/7, it's just refusing to fall over.
[19:50:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Site Issues - http://sylnt.us
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[19:53:14] <juggs> Must serve as a good space heater too
[19:53:39] <Yog-Yogguth> when I took this netbook (!) apart I found lots of flame marks on the board and underside of the keyboard, which explains why it likes to disconnect randomly :3
[19:54:07] <Ceefbake> o.0
[19:54:22] <Ceefbake> yeah it takes the frost off
[19:56:34] <Ceefbake> that's a thing I've found with this netbook, it doesn't like to sit on any sort of non-flat surface
[19:56:42] <Ceefbake> it's got to be on a table or a book
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[20:01:25] <Yog-Yogguth> they are lovely though :)
[20:02:21] <Yog-Yogguth> I think I could be persuaded to give an arm for a fully free and open hardware one
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[20:03:51] <juggs> That's tricky to achieve
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[20:04:34] <Yog-Yogguth> yes it's not there yet
[20:06:37] <Bytram> Yog-Yogguth: funny you should say that, we ran a story just today about researchers being able to basically create a 'monkey arm'
[20:06:52] <Bytram> !uid
[20:06:53] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5459, owned by Random Element
[20:07:05] <Yog-Yogguth> I thought it was a rat arm?
[20:07:09] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[20:07:11] <exec> 03Boston, MA, USA - currently 63°F, cloudy, wind E at 16 mph, humidity 45% - Sunday partly cloudy (52°F-66°F), Monday cloudy (62°F-74°F), Tuesday scattered thunderstorms (61°F-74°F), Wednesday mostly sunny (63°F-80°F)
[20:07:12] <artificial> http://www.dailymail.co.uk
[20:07:35] <artificial> Quickly everone, roll down your windows next to the kitties!
[20:07:48] <Ceefbake> they've come a long way from growing ear cartilage out of a mouse's back...
[20:08:25] <Yog-Yogguth> *alludes to Top Gear American tourists reference*
[20:08:42] <Yog-Yogguth> they're just so fascinating to watch!
[20:08:55] <artificial> seems like a total recall type experience
[20:09:22] <artificial> boom, you're back in the lab and placed into another experience, like deaths in early sierra titles
[20:13:10] * Bytram channels the old TV show: sliders
[20:13:51] * artificial prepares a mattress off screen and some kaleidoscope lights
[20:14:00] <juggs> https should be working again now
[20:14:08] <artificial> thanks nsa, er juggs.
[20:14:25] <juggs> :D
[20:14:31] * Ceefbake cranks up the 42" plasma for a session of Archipelago, the ultimate in nonviolent video games...
[20:15:45] <juggs> .topic SN Main Channel - be respectful of others | https://SoylentNews.org | Useful links: http://sylnt.us | This channel IS logged and publically displayed
[20:15:45] Imogen changed topic of #Soylent to: SN Main Channel - be respectful of others | https://SoylentNews.org | Useful links: http://sylnt.us | This channel IS logged and publically displayed
[20:16:23] * NCommander installs upgrades on his desktop
[20:16:27] <NCommander> I've got a shitton of work to do
[20:17:26] <NCommander> pizza is here
[20:17:26] <artificial> can you also add 'Be well citizens'
[20:17:44] <artificial> PizzaIs->Here()
[20:18:21] <juggs> How about 'Don't forget to stay in line of sight of your Telescreens citizens' :)
[20:18:25] <Yog-Yogguth> thanky you juggs :D works here
[20:18:47] <artificial> they are usually in their pockets, or staring into them
[20:18:51] <juggs> Thank NCommander - he fixed it, I'm just spectating :)
[20:19:01] <Yog-Yogguth> oh, thank you Ncommander then :)
[20:19:05] * artificial notes that juggs like to watch
[20:20:03] * juggs notes that artificial likes to take notes :P
[20:20:48] <artificial> note to self: watch juggs.
[20:21:13] * juggs feels self-conscious
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[20:22:38] <Bytram> team++
[20:22:38] <Bender> karma - team: 6
[20:22:42] <Bytram> coffee++
[20:22:42] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1408
[20:22:48] <artificial> kerning++
[20:22:48] <Bender> karma - kerning: 1
[20:23:47] <Bytram> keening++ # is that a word?
[20:23:47] <Bender> karma - keening: 1
[20:25:24] <artificial> ~define keening
[20:25:55] <exec> process timed out: ~define keening
[20:26:24] <Bytram> ~define define
[20:26:55] <exec> process timed out: ~define define
[20:27:05] <artificial> should have crutchy create an alias for ~define, ~enhance
[20:27:13] <Bytram> LOL!
[20:27:34] * artificial pets self
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[20:47:32] <Ceefbake> kerning: the process of adjusting the spacing between characters in a proportional font
[20:47:43] <Ceefbake> keening: a Celtic verbal lament
[20:47:56] <Bytram> that's keen!
[20:49:03] <Ceefbake> it's getting some use in literature after several years in limbo, first time I saw it was in a Star Trek novel.
[20:49:51] <Bytram> 'tis fitting. Keen ==> sharp or cutting; keening wail, high-pitched, shrill wail
[20:50:30] <Ceefbake> now, to see if my laptop's recovered enough so I can see what's happening with my KSP install, the atmo physics is horribly broken...
[20:50:37] * Bytram used to play a lot of scrabble; my regular 'challenger' used to lament that I'd make up words and then keep consulting larger and larger dictionaries until I found one that had my word in it.
[20:51:18] <Bytram> well, those *are* phonemes, and it does look as if it *could* be a word, and it sounds reasonably pronounceable... I'll try it!
[20:51:21] <Bytram> =)
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[20:51:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Site Issues [Updated] - http://sylnt.us
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[20:51:52] <Ceefbake> cock
[20:52:03] <Ceefbake> I lost the thread
[20:52:27] <Bytram> about 20 years later I made friends with a guy... got to talking... he mentioned he was pretty good at scrablle, so I challenged him to a game.
[20:52:34] <Ceefbake> last I saw was my ksp comment...
[20:52:50] <Bytram> come to find out, he was regularly in the top 100-200 of the ISC (International Scrabble Club)
[20:52:56] <Ceefbake> haha
[20:53:00] <Bytram> yep
[20:53:02] <Ceefbake> found out the hard way?
[20:53:18] <Bytram> he took it easy on me; turned his tiles bout 4-5 times!
[20:53:25] <Ceefbake> hehe
[20:53:26] <Bytram> became best of friends, too!
[20:53:56] <Ceefbake> well, I can't beat that.
[20:53:57] <Ceefbake> :)
[20:54:32] <Bytram> I was/am geeky in a technical / analytical realm; he was absolutely amazing in the artistic realm: painting, drawing, sculpture, cooking, etc.
[20:54:59] <Ceefbake> I had lunch with Camie Loneozner. I got pissed with Adam Ant the same week.
[20:55:19] <Bytram> Camie? who's that?
[20:55:25] <Ceefbake> Koo Stark
[20:55:35] <Bytram> gesundheit, but I asked who that was?
[20:55:37] <Ceefbake> Camie was her character in Star Wars
[20:56:17] <Ceefbake> http://starwars.wikia.com
[20:56:17] <systemd> ^ 03Camie Loneozner - Wookieepedia, the Star Wars Wiki
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[20:56:37] * Bytram musta missed it. Only saw the first 3 SW movies when they were in theaters and then from the reports I'd heard after the 'reboot', didn't bother with anything else in that realm
[20:57:12] <Ceefbake> you'll only see her scene if you bought the 1997 remaster, it's in as bonus material
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[21:00:17] <Bytram> ahhh, that 'splains it
[21:01:41] * cmn32480 blows the dust off his 1997 remaster
[21:22:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - American Pharoah Beats Science to Win Triple Crown - http://sylnt.us - trot-like-an-egyptian
[21:35:55] <Landon> woot
[21:35:59] <Landon> just cleaned up almost a gig of cruft
[21:36:06] <Landon> from ugprading 10.04 -> 15.04 over the years
[21:36:12] <cmn32480> meh... drive space is cheap
[21:36:26] <cmn32480> :-p
[21:36:28] <Landon> cmn32480: on a vps
[21:36:33] <Landon> I only have 40 gigs to start with
[21:36:44] <Landon> and I haven't even started chomping on packages still installed
[21:36:50] <cmn32480> well, 2.5% is nothign to sneeze at
[21:36:52] <Landon> that was only packages that were "uninstalled in theory"
[21:37:01] <Landon> dead wood
[21:37:03] <Landon> dpkg --purge `dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall | cut -f1`
[21:37:34] <chromas> does dpkg keep a package cache as well?
[21:37:46] <cmn32480> I'm currently fighting with vsphere...
[21:38:03] <Landon> chromas: as well as?
[21:38:40] <chromas> as whatever else you're cleaning up
[21:38:47] <chromas> or is that what you're cleaning
[21:38:55] <Landon> that's what I've started my spring cleaning with :)
[21:39:04] <Landon> I think purge also gets rid of the .debs too
[21:40:32] <Ceefbake> oh dear
[21:40:37] <Ceefbake> the missus broke her phone
[21:40:43] * chromas has 3.7 gigs o' package cache
[21:40:44] <cmn32480> my wife made chocolate chip cookies while I was gone.
[21:40:51] <chromas> cookies++
[21:40:51] <Bender> karma - cookies: 6
[21:41:06] <cmn32480> sorry ceefbake... I'm not trading
[21:41:19] <Landon> cmn32480: speaking of other drive space, windows is a fucking hog :(
[21:41:26] <Landon> I wish I could run that snippet on here
[21:41:35] <cmn32480> amen to that chromas
[21:41:36] <Landon> but as far as I Can tell, the only way to blow away msft cruft is to reinstall
[21:41:45] <Landon> because it's not designed to be deleted
[21:41:55] <cmn32480> Landon - duh??
[21:42:12] <Landon> cmn32480: it wasn't really duh when I was looking it up
[21:42:23] <cmn32480> and I believe you are completely correct. reinstall is the only answer for Windows
[21:42:31] <Landon> I understand there's a lot of crap in the registry, but that's peanuts
[21:42:38] <Landon> and various files that might pop up places
[21:42:45] <Landon> running the disk scan so I can find the real offender though
[21:43:03] <cmn32480> the biggest one is the "installed" windows updates folders, usually
[21:43:05] <Landon> migrated a windows install I've had since 7 to a 90gb ssd
[21:43:11] <Landon> 8.5gb free
[21:43:21] <Landon> _all_ but one or two big user apps are on external drives
[21:43:37] <Landon> yep, C:\Windows\Installer
[21:43:53] <cmn32480> off the top I don't recall where they are, but that sounds about right
[21:44:10] <Landon> second biggest offender is WinSxS
[21:45:06] <cmn32480> on my laptop that Windows\Installer folder is a whopping 18.6GB
[21:45:12] <Landon> C:\Windows taking up a grand 25.7gb of 68.9 usable
[21:45:23] <Landon> jesus, only 7gb here
[21:45:27] <cmn32480> much of it in the \Installer fodler, no doubt
[21:45:33] <Landon> you should put your porn folder somewhere else
[21:45:42] <chromas> also nuke \windows\system32 if you're on 64-bit :D
[21:45:57] <cmn32480> that is on a 4tb NAS... and I'm running out of room
[21:46:09] <cmn32480> don't listen to Chromas
[21:46:22] <Landon> hehe
[21:46:27] <Landon> rm -rf / will save a lot of space
[21:46:37] <Landon> my nas is 4tb too!
[21:46:38] <Landon> high fives!
[21:46:43] <cmn32480> sigh... you kids today
[21:46:52] * cmn32480 shakes fist in the air
[21:46:54] <Landon> I have a bout a tb free
[21:47:08] <cmn32480> your porn collection has been found wanting
[21:47:13] <Landon> probably more, but I haven't cleared up some temporary raw rips that I've transcoded
[21:48:45] <cmn32480> if needed.. I"m sure chromas will lend a pitch fork so you can kill whichever machine annoys you most.
[21:49:07] <cmn32480> I wish ESXi woudl install faster
[21:49:37] <Ceefbake> half a terabyte free on my NAS, that's 17TB of COTS drives in one box.
[21:50:04] <Landon> nice
[21:50:12] <Landon> I find myself using mine less and less as we redbox/netflix more and more
[21:50:24] <Landon> the cloud is all powerful
[21:50:34] <Landon> I wish I could mail the drives to linode and have them attached to my server :P
[21:50:42] <Ceefbake> I need the space as I crunch a lot of footage
[21:51:21] * chromas suspects that Ceefbake has a much larger nas in utah
[21:51:36] <Ceefbake> hah, I wish
[21:52:01] <NCommander> krb5 setup (mostly)
[21:52:15] <Ceefbake> just thought of a use for an AMD board I've got just sitting in a drawer...
[21:52:42] <Ceefbake> it's only got an Athlon FX in it...
[21:54:50] <NCommander> sodium is up
[21:54:53] * NCommander has to setup nginx now
[21:54:59] <Landon> NCommander: high sodium is bad for you
[21:55:01] <Landon> take it down
[21:55:10] <Landon> nginx sounds like an unpleasant suppository
[21:57:15] <cmn32480> I hadn't looked at it that way Landon... thanks a bunch
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[22:45:17] <Landon> 21gigs free now :)
[22:45:18] <Landon> from 15
[22:45:19] <Landon> woot woot
[22:45:27] <Landon> will get into userdata tomorrow ;D
[23:04:28] <cmn32480> !uid
[23:04:29] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5460, owned by Jarrow
[23:11:47] <NCommander> Next on my TODO is to nuke and pave hydrogen
[23:12:00] * NCommander has to get magnesium up first
[23:13:30] <juggs> Planning to bring hydrogen up from a fresh OS install NCommander ?
[23:14:26] <chromas> He's switching it to CentOS
[23:14:33] <NCommander> juggs, Yeah
[23:14:39] <NCommander> juggs, that machine has been nothing but problematic
[23:14:41] * NCommander hit a hiccup
[23:14:47] <NCommander> Linode doesn't support IPv6 failover ...
[23:14:50] <NCommander> -_-;
[23:14:51] <artificial> it just likes attention
[23:15:12] <chromas> is it a cutter?
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[23:15:55] <NCommander> OH
[23:15:56] <NCommander> Ok
[23:15:59] <NCommander> that's actually not an issue
[23:16:04] <NCommander> I just need to get a new prefix from Linode
[23:16:07] <NCommander> Which is free for IPv6
[23:16:30] * juggs nods sagely, trying to look like he knew that all along :D
[23:16:44] <takyonAFK> http://www.bbc.com
[23:16:47] <systemd> ^ 03Surfers wanted for 'superbug' study - BBC News
[23:17:01] <artificial> [ this kills the surfer ]
[23:18:45] <takyonAFK> better
[23:19:01] * NCommander waits for Linode to assign us an IPv6 pool
[23:19:55] <juggs> Hopefully it is automated :)
[23:20:00] <Landon> nope
[23:20:19] <Landon> should be within a few hours, even at this time
[23:20:30] <Landon> but it's a support ticket process >.<
[23:20:52] <NCommander> Landon, Linode is remarkably fast
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[23:20:56] <NCommander> We should have it in an hour
[23:21:07] <Landon> NCommander: woot, this is from my experience last (sunday?) night
[23:21:11] <artificial> https://vimeo.com
[23:21:12] <systemd> ^ 03Unreal Engine 4 Open World Kite Real-Time Cinematic on Vimeo
[23:21:14] <Landon> tried getting a pool for my ipv6 server
[23:21:20] <Landon> er, for my test server
[23:21:44] <Landon> and kudos to them, they told me "Are you sure? You can transfer the pool from your other linode"
[23:23:13] <Landon> I'm always a little floored by their customer service, even for me on the lowly $20 tier
[23:23:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Amazon Now Collects Sales Tax on Purchases in Ohio - http://sylnt.us - move-out-of-ohio
[23:23:47] <NCommander> Landon, there's a reason we're staying with Linode :)
[23:23:54] <NCommander> Landon, their customer service has been second to none
[23:24:13] <Landon> they have a good presence on IRC too
[23:24:19] <NCommander> Landon, which server?
[23:24:26] <Landon> I was able to hop on their channel shortly after the ticket was resolved and thank the person who helped me
[23:24:28] <Landon> lemme look
[23:24:46] <Landon> irc.oftc.net
[23:25:10] <Landon> #linode
[23:25:22] <NCommander> OFTC's IPv6 host is timing out ...
[23:25:23] <NCommander> -_-;
[23:25:54] <Landon> 18:24:50 [oftc] Connecting to irc.oftc.net [2001:1b40:5000:fe0::6667] port 6667
[23:25:55] <Landon> wfm
[23:26:02] <Landon> although they took a long time looking up my hostname
[23:28:45] * NCommander clones sodium
[23:33:24] <NCommander> magnesium is alive
[23:37:02] <SpallsHurgenson> you need to say that sort of thing with lightning flash behind you and a maniacal laugh
[23:41:07] <NCommander> woohoo
[23:41:15] <NCommander> We got a static /116 allocation from linode
[23:41:27] <crutchy> yay!
[23:41:39] <crutchy> what does that mean?
[23:44:17] <SpallsHurgenson> presumably more IP numbers than you can shake a stick at! Even if its a really big stick!
[23:45:26] <crutchy> yay!
[23:45:29] <Landon> NCommander: really?
[23:45:37] <crutchy> dns is overrated anyway
[23:45:37] <Landon> from what I understood those small allocations were deprecated
[23:46:04] <NCommander> Landon, Linode gives a /116 for every customer that's routable to everyone
[23:46:12] <Landon> ah
[23:46:23] <crutchy> my wife is routable
[23:46:25] <Landon> I... do not understand ipv6
[23:46:26] * NCommander is multihoming sodium and magnesium with an "internal" IPv6 address, and an external address from the /116
[23:46:30] <Landon> this shit is all black magic
[23:46:37] <chromas> !grab crutchy
[23:46:37] <Bender> Added quote 530
[23:46:44] <NCommander> Landon, /116 prevents SLAAC and autoallocation working, but if you're assigning manually, nothing breaks
[23:46:46] <Landon> /64 tied to single node, /116 routable to all
[23:47:01] <NCommander> Landon, they actually allocate a /64 per customer as well
[23:47:08] <NCommander> Landon, I think
[23:47:15] <NCommander> Linode's IPv6 setup is weird
[23:47:31] <Landon> not by default
[23:47:52] <Landon> I have 2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe96:d505 / 64, but I seem to recall that I don't own the /64
[23:48:35] <NCommander> Landon, they offered me a /64 but stated I needed to run SLAAC if I wanted to make it work
[23:48:39] <artificial> nice, 2600
[23:48:46] <NCommander> I'm trying to kill our single points of failure, not increase them
[23:49:08] <Landon> :P
[23:49:16] <crutchy> atm our spof seems to be perl :p
[23:49:21] <Landon> hah
[23:49:21] * crutchy runs fast
[23:50:19] <Landon> SpallsHurgenson: /116 is only 2**12 ips, I can shake a stick at that!
[23:50:44] <Landon> in fact, my 2nd grade teacher made me shake a stick at every number up to 2000, so I've personally shaken a stick at half of them!
[23:52:45] <SpallsHurgenson> I have no response to that
[23:52:51] <NCommander> Landon, oh, I remember why they say *IPv6* / 64
[23:52:55] <NCommander> Landon, netmask configuration
[23:54:59] <Gravis> my moderation options are gone! http://38.media.tumblr.com
[23:55:27] <SpallsHurgenson> I don't know what that image is but it is going to give me nightmares for weeks
[23:55:32] <juggs> They come back with a page refresh
[23:55:37] <Gravis> NCommander: whatever change you just made, it killed moderation
[23:55:41] <crutchy> oMG!!!! SN has turned into a man with spaghetti arms!
[23:55:43] <NCommander> Gravis, we're having some corruption issues, do a ctrl-f5
[23:55:51] <NCommander> bad pulls from cache, cause still unknown
[23:56:32] <Gravis> oic
[23:57:04] <crutchy> it's that damn tv guide again. my son's supposed to be on. he's in outer space
[23:57:15] * SpallsHurgenson shakes his fist and growls, "Microsoft!"
[23:57:16] <NCommander> apollo13++
[23:57:16] <Bender> karma - apollo13: 1
[23:57:50] <crutchy> gotta read it using the right voice :p
[23:59:08] * NCommander sets up heartbeat
[23:59:38] <crutchy> not pacemaker?
[23:59:48] <crutchy> or corosync or whatever its called nowadays