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[00:11:41] <SpallsHurgenson> yes
[00:24:34] <SpallsHurgenson> wow.. it took 7 hours to 2-pass wipe this 500GB hdd over usb
[00:25:03] <takyon> USB 2.0?
[00:25:37] <takyon> can't a function like that be built into the drive firmware?
[00:26:08] <SpallsHurgenson> might be 1.0; it's a whoppin' 35MB/s :)
[00:27:45] <JamesNZ> Great Scott!
[00:27:57] <takyon> no
[00:28:01] <takyon> that's USB 2.0
[00:28:44] <SpallsHurgenson> I remember USB 2 tops out at ~100mbs (less in reality) but I can't remember what usb1 speeds are anymore
[00:28:45] <takyon> Released in January 1996, USB 1.0 specified data rates of 1.5 Mbit/s (Low Bandwidth or Low Speed) and 12 Mbit/s (Full Bandwidth or Full Speed).
[00:28:52] <takyon> USB 2.0 was released in April 2000, adding a higher maximum signaling rate of 480 Mbit/s called High Speed, in addition to the USB 1.x Full Speed signaling rate of 12 Mbit/s. Due to bus access constraints, the effective throughput of the High Speed signaling rate is limited to 35 MB/s or 280 Mbit/s.
[00:29:10] <SpallsHurgenson> erm, 480mbit/s :)
[00:29:55] <SpallsHurgenson> anyway, it doesn't really matter. I just start it in the morning and its done when I come back at night :)
[00:30:15] <takyon> it would have been quicker to chuck it into a volcano, but I guess you don't live in hawaii
[00:30:54] <takyon> ain't nobody recover data from a volcano
[00:31:04] <SpallsHurgenson> t-t-throw out working computer hardware? I don't think that's possible!
[00:31:22] <takyon> you're the one with the 340 MB HDD aren't you
[00:31:27] * JamesNZ got 95 MB/s over 2.0
[00:32:41] <takyon> i dunno m8
[00:32:50] <SpallsHurgenson> then again, this is two-pass... so maybe actual throughput is 70mbit
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[00:33:24] <SpallsHurgenson> anyway, no real worry. I just like that I can read/wipe old drives without having to open up a computer or fiddle with enclosures :)
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[00:35:14] <SpallsHurgenson> it does SATA and PATA, and I could even plug in an optical drive
[00:35:27] <SpallsHurgenson> (sadly, no floppy drive or SCSI support :)
[00:38:00] <takyon> what a shame
[00:38:01] <SpallsHurgenson> or maybe not sadly about SCSI. God, I hated SCSI with a passion
[00:40:56] <SirFinkus> http://az648995.vo.msecnd.net
[00:41:03] <SirFinkus> is that seriously a real life UI?
[00:41:12] <SirFinkus> it's the worst thing I've seen in a while
[00:41:19] <SirFinkus> so little contrast
[00:41:26] <SirFinkus> ugly color choices
[00:41:36] <takyon> is this from the cortana thing I just posted
[00:41:39] <SirFinkus> yes
[00:42:23] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm fairly certain its been touched up (or possibly remade from scratch)... no reflection from the glass on the phone :)
[00:42:41] <takyon> well yeah
[00:42:51] <SirFinkus> I highly doubt it, since it's hosted on a microsoft site...
[00:42:52] <takyon> you wouldn't want to lose the fidelity of that color
[00:43:00] <SirFinkus> http://blogs.windows.com
[00:43:02] <Scruffy> ^ 03Your Windows 10 PC will love all the devices you own
[00:43:17] <SpallsHurgenson> I'd love to use these voice-recognition thingees if they weren't sending all my words to the hivemind.
[00:43:44] <SpallsHurgenson> we need terrabyte SSD cards so they can store all that voice-recognition data on the device :)
[00:43:51] <takyon> if it was JARVIS I wouldn't mind talking to it
[00:44:08] <takyon> SD cards are already at 256 GB IIRC
[00:44:30] <SirFinkus> processing might be a problem
[00:44:49] <takyon> not with your new MediaTek tri-cluster 10-core phone
[00:45:10] <chromas> Phones maybe be more powerful than older desktops but at least the desktops could do voice recognition on their own
[00:45:47] <takyon> forcing you to use the cloud gives them access to your privates
[00:46:01] <takyon> could allow them to do much more complex searches and processing too, for what that's worth
[00:46:09] <takyon> like wolfram
[00:46:27] <chromas> I don't want them to touch my privates. I don't want to be micro or soft
[00:46:54] <takyon> that's why they made it a woman from Halo
[00:47:08] <takyon> female-identifying AI
[00:47:17] <takyon> whatever
[00:47:37] <takyon> time to relearn HTML 1.0
[00:47:41] <chromas> That picture reminds me of all those application screenshots in the android store, where they make it look like it's on a phone, so I'm looking at my phone with a picture of another phone with the application running on it
[00:47:56] <SirFinkus> voice recognition is only part of it, gotta do all the language processing stuff too
[00:48:03] <SirFinkus> and search massive databases
[00:48:18] <chromas> Like uh, Dragon 20 years ago
[00:48:35] <SirFinkus> dragon doesn't really do the same thing though
[00:48:46] <chromas> speech to text. The rest isn't voice related
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[00:49:12] <SpallsHurgenson> they had voice recognition back in win3 days
[00:50:02] <takyon> is there really a .elements object of FORM elements
[00:50:35] <takyon> it's news to me, I always just put an id on the input elements I want values from
[00:51:04] <takyon> subid = document.getElementById("slashstoryform").elements["subid"].value;
[00:53:00] <takyon> if you've heard the complaints about the Original Submission links, I'm adding a thing to my script that will automatically turn "writes" into a link to the submission
[00:54:47] <chromas> Seems like something the slash code would do. It already puts a link on the submission when it gets published; it should go both ways
[00:55:23] <takyon> I'm working faster than slashcode
[00:55:44] <takyon> but uh, what "link on the submission" are you talking about
[00:55:51] <chromas> Let's all re-write slash in a better language :D
[00:56:10] <SirFinkus> nerdy feature idea: git style diffs between the submitted story and the one that gets posted
[00:56:15] <chromas> When a submission is published, it gets a link to the published version
[00:56:42] <chromas> it has a "Link to story" at the top
[00:56:45] <takyon> SirFinkus: we've already proposed that, it would require real work to do. Even we don't know who changed what exactly
[00:57:06] <SirFinkus> figured that
[00:57:26] <takyon> chromas: until that happens, this automation will make it instantaneous and painless for editors who view the submission
[00:57:36] <takyon> while using the script/extension
[00:57:50] <takyon> time to test
[00:59:01] * chromas sneaks in and swaps out slash code for pipecode
[00:59:22] <takyon> well that didn't work. better check my regexp
[00:59:59] <takyon> I might not need to escape double quotes in a regexp
[01:00:28] <takyon> yay
[01:00:58] <takyon> http://puu.sh
[01:01:02] <takyon> automatically added
[01:01:14] <chromas> takyon++
[01:01:14] <Bender> karma - takyon: 7
[01:02:27] <takyon> it killed gewg's name though. need to add another capture group
[01:03:09] <chromas> Is that because his name isn't on the submission?
[01:03:43] <takyon> no it was
[01:03:58] <takyon> my regular expression ignored the text between the byline tag and the word "writes"
[01:04:09] <takyon> it's fixed now
[01:05:05] <takyon> http://puu.sh
[01:06:01] <takyon> time to post it
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[01:11:08] <takyon> http://soylentnews.org
[01:11:08] <Scruffy> ^ 03SN comment by [02takyon (881)] (02Score:2)
[01:40:41] <takyon> cricket
[01:43:55] <SpallsHurgenson> cicada
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[01:44:43] <takyon> Netflix Presents Marco
[01:50:06] -!- BadCoderFinger [BadCoderFinger!~BadCoderF@216.160.gyz.km] has joined #Soylent
[01:52:12] <BadCoderFinger> Hi guys
[01:52:48] <takyon> oy
[01:53:50] <BadCoderFinger> Hey takyon, how are things?
[01:53:56] <takyon> good
[01:54:11] <takyon> just rekt slashcode: http://soylentnews.org
[01:54:11] <Scruffy> ^* 03SN comment by [02takyon (881)] (02Score:2)
[01:59:51] <BadCoderFinger> Looks like a lot of stuff, heh.
[02:00:23] <takyon> quote this button, comment formatting, and story editing features
[02:02:21] <BadCoderFinger> Looks like a lot of work went into it. I think the "Quote this" is a nice feature.
[02:03:59] <takyon> http://www.marketplace.org
[02:04:00] <Scruffy> ^ 03Chrome extension turns word 'millennials' into 'snake people' | Marketplace.org
[02:04:08] <BadCoderFinger> Ha!
[02:04:10] <takyon> maybe I should add this feature
[02:04:48] <BadCoderFinger> Or comment author tags. "Probable troll" "Microsoft shill" etc.
[02:06:28] <takyon> let me think how that could be done. you get a dropdown or button that lets you apply a tag to a post. that tag and username/uid goes into localStorage. then every time you see that author subsequently the tag shows up near/in the post
[02:06:49] <takyon> one problem is that my script doesn't handle collapsed comments too well. There's no quote this button on those yet
[02:12:02] <BadCoderFinger> Still, it's better than I can do. I'm just a C guy.
[02:28:46] * SpallsHurgenson sings "C is for coding, and coding is for me!"
[02:31:18] * SpallsHurgenson formats and wipes an 80gb hdd
[02:36:37] <BadCoderFinger> Hey Spalls
[02:36:49] <BadCoderFinger> 80GB? I have bigger flash drives!
[02:41:52] <SpallsHurgenson> just wait until I get to the 540MB HDD :)
[02:43:43] <SpallsHurgenson> I wonder if it will even spin up
[02:48:12] <takyon> crank-operated
[02:51:24] <SpallsHurgenson> I wonder what bitrate I'd get on a drive that old...
[02:52:47] <BadCoderFinger> Probably in the kilobit range.
[02:56:37] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[02:56:39] <Scruffy> ^ 03Record labels back indie muso's bid to snatch .music from web giants • The Register
[02:57:21] <SpallsHurgenson> original ATA was 16MB/s I think... but this drive might be capable of twice that :)
[02:59:09] <SpallsHurgenson> "rights to sell all internet addresses ending in dot-music – rights worth tens of millions of dollars." sure they are worth that :)
[03:00:14] <SpallsHurgenson> a) people rarely visit anything that isn't .com/.net/.org and b) who cares about domains, everyone just clicks on the link in google anyway
[03:01:49] <BadCoderFinger> No kidding.
[03:01:51] <SpallsHurgenson> hell, I barely pay attention to URLs anymore and then mostly to reassure myself I'm on the right site and not some bogus imitator (and a .music domain isn't gonna inspire any confidence :)
[03:02:33] <SpallsHurgenson> I think this guy's "millions" are being calculated by the same accountants who work for the music industry to determine how much money they lose to piracy :)
[03:03:12] <BadCoderFinger> Millions of microdollars, no doubt.
[03:11:17] <SpallsHurgenson> somehow I need to swap network cables without falling off the net :)
[03:11:42] <BadCoderFinger> Get yourself a soldering iron and carefully scrape away the plastic...
[03:12:38] * SpallsHurgenson looks at the cabling and realizes he used cable-ties on everything last time...
[03:13:57] <BadCoderFinger> Just don't lick the wires.
[03:14:50] <SpallsHurgenson> oh no, I learned my lesson after the 37th time
[03:16:38] <BadCoderFinger> Good to know. Still in the middle of the pants lesson, though.
[03:17:40] <SpallsHurgenson> the pants are a lie
[03:26:56] <BadCoderFinger> Ew.
[03:31:37] <BadCoderFinger> The pants will never lie. The pants are the universal truth that makes civilization possible. Look at the kilt, all warlike! A nation that espouses pants is a nation of peaceful cooperation.
[03:37:27] <BadCoderFinger> Of course, that's a lie, heh.
[03:38:41] <SpallsHurgenson> kilts are just for men who are not manly enough to not wear pants :)
[03:39:16] <SirFinkus> https://youtu.be
[03:39:18] <Scruffy> ^ 03Two Handed Great Sword - YouTube ( https://www.youtube.com )
[03:39:22] <SirFinkus> what about great swords?
[03:39:53] <SpallsHurgenson> you never saw a sword wearing pants, did you?
[03:41:27] <BadCoderFinger> Well, once. But it was more a leg being stabbed.
[03:43:44] <SpallsHurgenson> that's too witty for me
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[03:53:31] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, your species still uses physical items as ball-bearings? we use twisted space-time for that purpose
[04:09:15] <SpallsHurgenson> (primitive monkeys)
[04:12:09] <BadCoderFinger> Hey! I resemble that remark! And not just because I look vaguely monkey-like. Well, maybe it is because I do resemble a monkey.
[04:34:46] <SpallsHurgenson> "vaguely"? fling some poop and I could sell you to a zoo :) :)
[04:43:00] <BadCoderFinger> That would explain the phone calls from the zoo, then.
[04:56:41] <BadCoderFinger> Time to get some sleep, night guys!
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[07:02:39] <K_benzoate> I haven't actually had any problems with systemd.
[07:21:39] <FatPhil> Ah, finally, someone's Foe'd me. That means I'm doing something right. (When I Foe'd Eth, he Friended me in return, which was an interesting one, I wonder if he thought that I'd bias Fan's posts positively in a way that would counter Foe down-rating, so I'd still end up viewing his stuff by default.)
[07:23:12] <FatPhil> I don't even recognise my new Freak's nick - how can I view his posts, I can't see that in the menu any more, I guess we're diametrically opposed on some issue.
[07:23:55] <K_benzoate> I've never used the friend/foe system; not on SN or /.
[07:42:27] <SirFinkus> never foe'd anyone
[07:42:40] <SirFinkus> I want to see my enemy's posts
[07:42:47] <SirFinkus> to see if they're plotting
[07:43:28] <FatPhil> Life's too short to read everything. If you know there will be visceral disagreement as your only reaction, simply it's best to just not see the posts.
[07:44:05] <FatPhil> I do wait until there's a 90% "NOOOO!!!!!!" reaction before anyone actually gets foed.
[07:44:10] <SirFinkus> is my reaction is visceral disagreement, all the more reason to read it
[07:44:15] <K_benzoate> It's always useful to ask why you react that why. Why do you think you know what you know?
[07:44:35] <SirFinkus> echo chambers are useless
[07:44:54] <SirFinkus> worst case scenario, I refine my arguments
[07:45:30] <FatPhil> Yup, but scientific symposia infested with perpetual motion machine proponents are retarted by same.
[07:46:50] <FatPhil> And military burials go much more smoothly without Westboro Baptist loons in attendance.
[07:47:37] <K_benzoate> It's their right to protest.
[07:47:46] <K_benzoate> As distasteful as it is.
[07:48:39] <SirFinkus> many scientific theories are met with widespread criticism, as are social movements. Telling which are bullshit and which aren't is easy in retrospect, difficult in the time
[07:50:11] <FatPhil> Yup, but do you think the perpetual motion machine proponent is a loon or not?
[07:50:46] <SirFinkus> loon, of course
[07:51:06] <K_benzoate> Almost assuredly he is a loon, but if someone ever did make a perpetual motion machine that really worked, it would eventually be accepted.
[07:53:17] <K_benzoate> And no matter how convincing, no matter how many tests it passes or proofs it provides, some people would still claim it's a fraud. Example: people still don't accept the neo-Darwinian synthesis.
[07:53:55] <K_benzoate> There are still flat-Earthers.
[07:55:15] <K_benzoate> At some point we just stop caring about these sorts of people. Any "biologist" who doesn't accept evolution isn't taken seriously.
[07:55:38] <FatPhil> My method of "stopping caring" is to simply no longer waste my time reading them
[07:56:12] <K_benzoate> That's fine on a personal level, even prudent, but someone should be reading it. Very rarely, these oddballs have a good idea.
[07:56:45] <K_benzoate> So I don't block anyone.
[07:57:09] <FatPhil> a good idea without a good demonstration is worthless
[07:57:30] <FatPhil> Yeah, my blocking only affects my reading, I wasn't planning on imposing it on anyone else.
[07:57:42] <K_benzoate> What's a good demonstration if nobody watches?
[08:00:02] <FatPhil> there are many fora, which can act as filtration. That which is good will eventually filter through.
[08:00:25] <K_benzoate> If enough people are seeing it.
[08:00:36] <FatPhil> there are
[08:01:04] <K_benzoate> Be a free rider then :p
[08:01:04] <ciri> when you coming back. miss ya already! ;) K_benzoate
[08:01:35] <K_benzoate> What?
[08:08:52] <K_benzoate> Well I'll spark a joint and see if that makes more sense. Back soon.
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[08:37:06] <K_benzoate> Nope. No idea
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[22:59:35] <Cyprus> someone kill the annoyabot?
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