#Soylent | Logs for 2015-05-18
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[00:45:32] <arti> http://www.nytimes.com
[00:45:33] <Manbearpig> ^ 03( http://www.nytimes.com )
[00:59:33] <Landon> NCommander: gnop
[01:00:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Illinois Governor Gets Zero Votes On His "Right To Work" Bill - http://sylnt.us - right-to-shirk
[01:00:29] <Landon> NCommander: wasssuuup
[01:04:52] <Landon> I'm usually better contacted via email actually
[01:05:01] <Landon> this is a separate screen window than my normal IRc
[01:15:16] <NCommander> Landon, was curious if you were still active at all on stuff that needed server access. Going through old accounts.
[01:26:29] <Landon> nope
[01:27:10] <mrcoolbp> Landon: landon@sn.org?
[01:27:26] <Landon> mrcoolbp: correct, that'll reac hme
[01:27:34] <mrcoolbp> I'll try to keep that in mind then
[02:13:22] <arti> we should just relay each line of text through that email
[02:13:28] <arti> that way landon will be super informed.
[02:20:34] <Landon> ;D
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[03:16:43] <Balderdash> wazzap
[03:18:00] <juggs> Hey Balderdash
[03:36:30] <Balderdash> hey juggs
[03:36:41] <Balderdash> you seen sword art online ii yet?
[03:37:16] <juggs> newp. Never heard of it.
[03:37:27] <Balderdash> watch anime?
[03:37:37] <juggs> newp
[03:37:49] <Balderdash> ok
[03:37:50] <juggs> probably explains why I never heard of it :)
[03:37:57] <Balderdash> lol most likely
[03:38:35] <Balderdash> i usually dont either, but dated a geek girl for a minute and she turned me on to a few things. this is a sequel to something we watched
[03:38:44] <Balderdash> seems so far to continue the story
[03:39:34] <Balderdash> have you seen area 51 yet?
[03:39:39] <Balderdash> not anime :D
[03:41:51] <juggs> negatory on that one too I'm afraid
[03:42:06] <Balderdash> np :D
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[04:02:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Schools That Ban Mobile Phones See Better Academic Results - http://sylnt.us - carrier-pigeon
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[04:39:56] <SirFinkus> apparently NCommander and I have the same birthday
[04:40:01] <SirFinkus> pretty sweet
[04:40:31] <NCommander> SirFinkus, 5/15?
[04:40:42] <NCommander> ... how the heck did you find out my birthday?
[04:40:43] <SirFinkus> oh, 5/14 for me
[04:40:52] <SirFinkus> skype told me it was the 14th
[04:41:12] <SirFinkus> recommended I buy you a gift card
[04:41:14] <SirFinkus> how selfless
[04:41:15] <ciri> doing good, and you?
[04:41:23] <SirFinkus> fuck you ciri
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[04:42:21] <juggs> leaky, leaky data, around the world, around the world - set to some cheesy 80s pop.
[04:43:21] <SirFinkus> annoying in this case, but not really the worst thing I've seen
[04:43:42] <SirFinkus> I love how the instant ms bought skype they added the ability to eavesdrop
[04:46:42] <juggs> If I were a cynic, I'd say something about holding a dominant position in the OS market being predicated by such compliance. Of course, I am not a cynic and possess no tin foil :)
[04:47:34] <SirFinkus> good think you're not a cynic juggs
[04:48:43] <juggs> Praise Be I did not fall to that malignant path.
[04:49:34] * NCommander is writing an NCommander post
[04:54:08] <SirFinkus> damn, I'm already in the middle of a novel, I guess I need to finish this one quickly
[04:54:41] * SirFinkus hates reading more than one book at once
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[04:56:37] <juggs> NCommander, just be glad it is a site post rather than a wiki entry - you'd spend one hour on the content and a day formatting it if it was wiki. :) Did I mention I hate wiki today? Guess I did now :D
[04:58:18] <NCommander> juggs, heh, reminds me when I wrote the Hitchhikers Guide to Node Administration
[04:59:35] <NCommander> juggs, http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[04:59:36] <Manbearpig> ^ 03Wiki: SystemAdministration/TheRiseAndFallOfNewNodeManagement
[05:02:39] <juggs> NCommander, you're in danger of triggering a wiki PTSD anxiety attack. Move away from the wiki and breathe deeply, it's going to be OK.
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[05:12:35] <NCommander> juggs, rofl, I'm deep in my editing groove
[05:12:40] <NCommander> at the 1200 word mark
[05:12:43] <NCommander> and not even close to done
[05:14:48] <juggs> NCommander, should we start chiselling it in stone tablets now?
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[05:20:26] <Balderdash> Is that from some sort of masochist website?
[05:22:37] <chromas> No spaces in the link? WikiWeeps
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[05:58:36] * juggs considers the possibility that chromas never sleeps.
[06:01:47] <swiss> chromas is really a bot
[06:34:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 13 Democrats Have Reversed Their Votes on the Fast Track Trade Measure - http://sylnt.us - national-sovereignty-in-peril
[07:22:57] * crutchy hereby raises a motion to install chromas on the SN server
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[07:24:55] <Scruffy> Second
[07:42:26] <crutchy> NCommander, i think there's a mistake in that node management page. it seems to be suggesting to use ubuntu
[07:42:37] * crutchy hides
[07:42:53] <NCommander> crutchy, well, we do :P
[07:48:18] * crutchy feels like the goose that he is
[07:49:21] <crutchy> http://www.pcmag.com
[07:49:22] <Scruffy> ^ 03It's Time to Sell Amtrak to Elon Musk | Sascha Segan | PCMag.com
[08:02:36] <crutchy> http://www.examiner.com
[08:02:37] <Scruffy> ^ 03Flashback 2009: John Kerry's epic fail on an ice-free Arctic by 2015 - Boston environmental policy | Examiner.com
[08:05:03] <crutchy> but but but... the "scientists" said... and those climate change deniers who think we're all fearmongering morons... they're wrong!
[08:10:06] <crutchy> though i do like the idea of an emissions trading scheme, not cos i'm a tree hugging hippie, but cos air is a resource and any company that wants to stink it up should have to pay for the privilege
[08:13:39] <n1> but it will create trillions in liquidity and boost the economy with a new derivatives market!
[08:13:44] <n1> what could possibly go wrong
[08:13:47] <n1> and on that, i'm out
[08:13:56] <crutchy> hehe. yeah prolly that too eh
[08:15:02] <crutchy> prolly still better than them gambling with family mortgages though
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[09:15:22] <crutchy> chromas, figured out reason why sed wasn't touching files last night; it's cos the expression is surrounded by single quotes; when i replace with double quotes the touch commands work
[09:15:55] <crutchy> still weird that even with single quotes, sed is executing ls and ps commands
[09:15:58] <chromas> weird
[09:16:15] <chromas> so single and double quotes are somehow treated different
[09:16:20] <crutchy> i was under impression that single quotes meant literal
[09:16:32] <crutchy> (no interpreting)
[09:16:42] <crutchy> but seems to interpret in sed expressions still :(
[09:17:44] * crutchy wonders if there are any other shell utilities that interpret literal strings like sed
[09:18:50] <crutchy> or maybe its just cos of the /e
[09:28:48] <crutchy> ooh
[09:29:03] <crutchy> looks like --posix might disable the /e
[09:29:12] <crutchy> stupid gnu extensions
[09:33:01] <crutchy> fuck. nope --posix doesn't do shit. also for some reason i'm able to touch a file even with single quotes :/
[09:33:57] <chromas> maybe the gnu extension was good then :)
[09:34:14] <crutchy> touch works with or without --posix
[09:35:05] <crutchy> echo 'butt' | sed -e 's/.*/touch ~\/butt.txt/e'
[09:35:07] <crutchy> echo 'butt' | sed --posix -e 's/.*/touch ~\/butt.txt/e'
[09:35:11] <crutchy> both do the same thing
[09:35:23] <crutchy> touch the butt
[09:36:01] <crutchy> i guess for a shell programmer its prolly awesome, but for an irc script it kinda blows
[09:36:39] <crutchy> heh. maybe i should use awk :p
[09:36:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - So Why the Hell Do We Bail Banks Out? - http://sylnt.us - approved-by-jp-morgan-and-co
[10:07:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Full Disclosure: SN Email Account Compromised - http://sylnt.us - standing-by-our-principles
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[11:07:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Decoding the Enigma of Satoshi Nakamoto - http://sylnt.us - i-am-satoshi
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[13:09:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ask Soylent: Is the Internet Broken Beyond Repair? - http://sylnt.us - 4-da-lulz-and-$$$
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[14:34:29] <SoyCow9575> Quiet around here.
[14:34:40] <SoyCow9575> Mooo ...
[14:35:48] <joe> aptitude moo?
[14:40:31] <AndyTheAbsurd> blorp
[14:40:41] <AndyTheAbsurd> ciri: Tell SoyCow9575 what's up.
[14:41:03] <AndyTheAbsurd> ....or ignore me, whatever. Stupid bot.
[15:10:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Appeals Court to Flight Attendants Regarding Electronic Gadgets: Get Over Yourselves - http://sylnt.us - i-am-altering-the-deal
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[15:31:19] <SoyCow9575> Someone needs to tell Ciri to wake the hell up ;)
[15:31:36] <SoyCow9575> Me, I'm outta here ... going back to grazing lovely soy pasture. Mooo.
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[16:42:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - UK Government Quietly Rewrites Hacking Laws to Give GCHQ Immunity - http://sylnt.us - get-out-your-tinfoil-hat
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[17:58:11] <janrinok> hi guys
[17:58:54] <paulej72> no one is here
[17:59:14] <janrinok> OK, i won't both saying hello to paulej72 - cos he's not here
[17:59:21] <janrinok> how's things?
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[18:00:07] <paulej72> most of my screen is filled with joins and departs
[18:00:15] <janrinok> not good
[18:00:23] <mechanicjay> yo!
[18:00:34] <janrinok> I've been away for a few days - has something happened?
[18:00:38] <janrinok> hi mechanicjay
[18:33:07] <mythterj> I mentioned (but nobody noticed) a few days ago about setting spamassassin to kill off all mail from .science tld.
[18:33:10] <mythterj> I did that, giving it a score just high enough to push such mail over discard threshold if any other rule also fires.
[18:33:13] <mythterj> Its been amazing. I use to get 180 spams a day passed to my spam folder (mostly from bayes filters). Flagging .science
[18:33:16] <mythterj> has droped that down to about 16 per day. Mostly now from .eu TLD.
[18:36:54] <mechanicjay> mythterj: that's pretty impressive!
[18:40:51] <mythterj> I guess spammers just show up first. Maybe more TLDs don't solve any problem
[18:41:22] <janrinok> paulej72: 1 Spam in the submissions list
[18:42:24] * janrinok put that in the wrong channel, but it will get there....
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[22:20:24] * crutchy sighs
[22:20:55] <crutchy> there are a lot of armchair keynesians on SN
[22:21:12] <crutchy> well, actually prolly not keynesians. just keynesian followers
[22:21:31] <crutchy> they'll follow them to hell
[22:22:54] <SirFinkus> as if the opinion of soylentils matters
[22:23:53] <crutchy> mass ignorance is what allows keynesians to get away with it
[22:24:00] <crutchy> its tragic
[22:24:09] <crutchy> but yeah i know its just a website forum
[22:24:54] <crutchy> ++coffee
[22:24:54] <Scruffy> Karma - coffee: 269
[22:24:55] <crutchy> coffee++
[22:24:55] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1376
[22:25:44] <nick> it seems to matter to at least a few people, the one(s) spending quite a lot of time trying to ruin the site and prevent meaningful discussion,
[22:27:13] <crutchy> what gets me is that people don't seem to be able to connect bailouts with the government. they still blame 'capitalism'
[22:27:50] <crutchy> either that or they think the government is capitalism or something :/
[22:28:02] <nick> well the government has to listen to the capitalists about how best to ensure capitalism continues to thrive
[22:28:37] <crutchy> not really. that's how you get the cronies that have infected government today
[22:28:37] <nick> that just happens to mean giving those same capitalists lots more money
[22:28:56] <AndyTheAbsurd> The US government did spend an awfully long time conflating capitalism and democracy (as well as communism/socialism with fascism and oligarchy).
[22:29:25] <nick> who better to run government than those successful capitalists, anyone else is just jealous
[22:29:37] <crutchy> people seem to think that what goes on in wall st has anything to do with capitalism
[22:29:46] <crutchy> wall street is basically a branch of the government
[22:29:48] <nick> crutchy, because the government tells us it does
[22:29:58] <nick> and who else is there to tell us anything?
[22:30:27] <crutchy> that's a tragic question in itself
[22:30:48] <nick> certainly not you or i, we're just random people who cannot see reason through our envy of their success, purely as a result of their hard work and sacrfice for society at large
[22:31:27] <nick> there was a story on zerohedge yesterday that i was thinking about submitting, but decided it probably wasn't 'on topic'
[22:31:33] <crutchy> hey if i could take advantage of taxpayer money i would too, just like anyone (even the ignorant socialist windbags)
[22:32:04] <crutchy> greed isn't a property of capitalism. its a human trait
[22:32:51] <nick> http://www.zerohedge.com
[22:33:19] <crutchy> anyway. i shouldn't expect much else. the world economy aint gunna change until its entirely ruined
[22:33:33] <nick> "Fifty-eight percent of millionaires say their expectations for their standard of living have increased in the last 10 years. Those whose wealth has increased significantly during this time period are even more likely to feel their standard of living expectations have gone up (64%). As a result, the majority of millionaires want more. Those with $1 million want $2 million; those with $10
[22:33:33] <nick> million want $25 million"
[22:33:53] <crutchy> and i gotta go to work so i can pay taxes to my government masters :p
[22:34:02] <crutchy> catch yas later o/
[22:34:14] <nick> laters
[22:34:58] <nick> "As a result, many millionaires say they feel stuck on a treadmill without knowing how much wealth would make them truly satisfied enough to get off. The study also found that millionaires regret the time they've missed with family. If they could slow down or get off the treadmill, they would reconnect with family, pursue their passions and work on personal—not financial goals. If they had
[22:34:59] <nick> no financial constraints, they would donate more to charity."
[22:35:35] <crutchy> many do
[22:35:44] <crutchy> bill gates for one
[22:36:50] <nick> 'philanthropy is the future of marketing;
[22:37:18] <nick> as professed by AmEx
[22:38:19] <nick> "When choosing the cause you want to support, be careful: The type of cause reflects on that company and will attract a certain type of customer. "
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[23:24:47] <paulej72> those poor 1%ers. I would have thought stepping all over us would have brightened their days
[23:29:43] <nick> they dont see us on a regular basis
[23:30:09] <nick> not in close proximity anyway
[23:31:01] <nick> when flying first class or in a luxury vehicle, i think you'd be isolated from it, and when you're not you cant help but feel vulnerable
[23:32:25] <nick> maybe they get it from work, because you dont have to be afraid of the people who need their jobs you can take away or make easier
[23:32:37] <paulej72> but their walkways are paved with the crushed souls of the 99%erss
[23:33:49] <nick> that maybe quite literally explains it
[23:33:53] <BadCoderFinger> Well, that explains where my soul went.
[23:34:18] <nick> just gave me a flashback to a job i did once...
[23:35:23] <nick> sometimes rich people just dont pay for their driveways, even when doing it for almost nothing
[23:35:38] <nick> can leave a man jaded
[23:39:04] <paulej72> is jaded when 1%ers shoot you in the ass with a shotgun loaded with shot made from jade
[23:39:28] <nick> maybe in 2025
[23:41:41] <nick> takyon++
[23:41:41] <Bender> karma - takyon: 5
[23:41:44] <nick> takyon++
[23:41:44] <Bender> karma - takyon: 6
[23:41:57] <takyon> whee
[23:42:06] <BadCoderFinger> That's right, smell the love!
[23:42:19] * takyon sniffs
[23:47:07] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[23:47:09] <Scruffy> ^ 03Google sells .car, walks away from generic domain names • The Register
[23:56:37] <swiss> what the fuck insteon
[23:56:39] <swiss> your api don't work