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[00:00:55] <Ethanol-fueled> nigel would be in congress about 5 seconds before he's given "the briefing," where they show him everything he's looked up online and ask him if he wants to be pro or contra Israeli foreign policy.
[00:01:34] <crutchy> they'd have to kick him out. i don't reckon they could shut him up
[00:02:01] <crutchy> they'd quickly make up some anti-nigel rule
[00:02:58] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, they call those "racism" and "sexism" and convince a lot of people that they should not listen to anybody who is a "racist" or "sexist".
[00:05:10] <Ethanol-fueled> Well, we hear that George W. Bush is making a comeback in the states. Good luck agreeing with us.
[00:05:32] <arti> :|
[00:05:41] <Ethanol-fueled> Because what the elections results mean i that, you will do what we want you to.
[00:06:09] <Ethanol-fueled> We want you to fight Russia for us.
[00:06:18] <Ethanol-fueled> Go taste them a little bit.
[00:06:46] <Ethanol-fueled> You are a Vassal State. Carry out our WILL!
[00:07:39] * Ethanol-fueled loves being from America
[00:09:49] <arti> yeah, freedom units!
[00:10:41] <Ethanol-fueled> arti, you're in orange county. You're not gonna do a goddamn thing about it but eat some good pho in Santa Ana.
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[00:14:26] <arti> https://youtu.be
[00:14:28] <dogpipe> ^ 03Yeezus, Man - YouTube ( https://www.youtube.com )
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[00:15:53] <crutchy> i think the rest of the world isn't quite suicidal enough to fight russia
[00:16:38] <crutchy> haven't reached nazi-level batshit crazy yet
[00:17:58] <arti> nazi's had a great work program
[00:18:05] <arti> dat unemployment
[00:18:35] <crutchy> join the military!
[00:19:15] <crutchy> and your missus can make bombs for the military... whether she wants to or not!
[00:20:33] <arti> sounds like a gta ad
[00:21:22] <crutchy> won't be long before conscription is back in fashion again
[00:22:12] <crutchy> someone's gotta fight those pesky muslims, and its not like ivy league bankers could be expected to do it
[00:24:03] <arti> not needed to operate drones.
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[00:35:40] <crutchy> drones not working. they only good for killing school kids
[00:36:46] * SpallsHurgenson imagines a quadracopter using its blades to terrorize an elementary school...
[00:37:23] <SpallsHurgenson> killing the kids might be hard, but I bet I could give 'em some pretty nasty welts :)
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[01:02:46] <arti> i can't stand being in a wheelchair.
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[01:12:33] <arti> an agnostic, dyslexic, insomniac stays up all night wondering if there's a dog.
[01:19:50] <SpallsHurgenson> well, something piddled on the floor that's for sure
[01:20:53] * SpallsHurgenson recommends red racing stripes on the wheelchair to make it go faster
[01:34:54] * crutchy cranks up noiseworks
[01:37:15] <SpallsHurgenson> I can still hear myself think; turn it up
[01:38:07] <crutchy> wifey and daughty are down the street getting new shoes, so i can clear the cobwebs out of the sub
[01:38:26] <SpallsHurgenson> turn it up loud enough so they can hear it too
[01:39:09] * crutchy can only see a couple of picture frames rattling a bit
[01:40:43] <SpallsHurgenson> wait, the walls are still standing? amateur
[01:44:26] * juggs fires up the electro static speakers and turns the amp to 30 (yes I have an amp on which the volume control goes to 40 - suck that Spinal Tap!) - I think the world needs to hear Motorhead as it was meant to be heard! Hail the noise!
[01:44:56] <SpallsHurgenson> see, that's how it's done! I just felt our orbit shift!
[01:46:32] <kadal> bow down to the, bow down to the, bow down to the king
[01:46:49] <crutchy> my amp gets louder as the number goes down :(
[01:46:51] <SpallsHurgenson> I can't, my legs were blown off
[01:46:58] <crutchy> its at -26db atm
[01:50:35] <crutchy> reptile by skrillex is apparently a decent sub-cleaning song
[01:50:40] <crutchy> who knew
[01:54:00] * SpallsHurgenson distrusts any assessment of skrillex being good for anything
[01:54:29] * crutchy suspects all the blips and bleeps are just fill-ins for those without subs
[01:57:55] <SpallsHurgenson> may I suggest that instead of listening to skrillex you just take an electric drill to your eardrums directly?
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[01:59:04] * SpallsHurgenson listens to classic old-skool electronic beeps and bloops with Screamtracker .s3m files :)
[01:59:17] * crutchy used the graphic equalizer to remove some of the ear drilling
[02:00:29] <crutchy> ooh this one's a biut nicer
[02:00:43] <crutchy> orbital - halcyon on and on
[02:02:07] <SpallsHurgenson> nah, I'll stick with Purple Motion and Skaven :)
[02:02:48] <juggs> I am rather fond of my late 80s / early 90s Japanese Akai amp with it's stupidly large volume control that goes up 40 - that's just theatre of course, tis just a dial. But thus far not one capacitor on the inside, that appears to have been assembled by drunk monkeys given the veritable chaos I see on component alignment to vertical btw, has popped it's lid. I think the ethos in those days was just make it really big and but a massive heat sink in i
[02:02:48] <juggs> t. And make capacitors that last a century. Not sure they planned on repeat sales back then.
[02:03:52] <crutchy> mine's a sony. /me hangs head in shame
[02:04:27] <SpallsHurgenson> that's why I only buy Sany or Ponosanic
[02:04:30] <crutchy> few years prior to hdmi-integration unfortunately (or fortunately)
[02:05:16] <juggs> sorry what is this hdmi? I still get phono out and line out right?
[02:06:01] <crutchy> mine is still covered in rca sockets. there's a handful of spdifs cowering on one side
[02:07:42] <crutchy> it used to be that digital blasphemy was just a website to collect weird desktop wallpapers
[02:08:51] <crutchy> i still have nfi why fatphil didn't trigger the !isr script :/
[02:08:57] <crutchy> stupid bot
[02:10:22] <crutchy> moog++
[02:10:22] <Bender> karma - moog: 2
[02:10:42] <crutchy> relaxing sub cleaner
[02:11:02] <SpallsHurgenson> I loved digital blasphemy wallpapers when I used the litestep GUI :)
[02:14:50] <crutchy> haha
[02:15:01] * crutchy just found a bunch of rockmelons songs
[02:16:11] * crutchy is fixing xml blunder while listening to 'its not over'
[02:16:28] <SpallsHurgenson> xml is the blunder
[02:17:10] <crutchy> yeah. i think it was one of those "i'm pretty sure it won't work but meh i'll give it a shot" moments
[02:18:35] <crutchy> might have been able to make it work, but 3d structure seems pretty dumb in hindsight for a 2d problem
[02:19:23] * SpallsHurgenson suddenly has jurassic park flashbacks "This is unix, I know this!"
[02:19:48] <crutchy> ooh
[02:19:57] * crutchy just 'felt' an awesome sub cleaner
[02:20:10] <crutchy> puscifer - indigo children
[02:20:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Gender and Appearance Stereotypes Travel to World of Warcraft - http://sylnt.us - we-like-cartoon-chicks
[02:20:26] <SpallsHurgenson> doubles as a bowel loosener
[02:20:35] <crutchy> yeah its a bit like that
[02:26:52] <juggs> I'm not convinced SN is running "News" any more if that last Bender contribution is anything to go by. We need to branch out, this feels like we are becoming a parody of all that is wrong in "news" repeating.
[02:27:17] <SpallsHurgenson> SN?
[02:27:42] <crutchy> serial noogie?
[02:29:55] <SpallsHurgenson> yay, I found my old DigitalBlasphemy wallpaper from yesteryear http://digitalblasphemy.com :)
[02:29:57] <dogpipe> ^ 03Digital Blasphemy 3D Wallpaper: Creation (1998) by Ryan Bliss
[02:30:19] <crutchy> wifey just bought a glass kettle with blue lights that highlight the water level
[02:31:00] <crutchy> even kettles have bling
[02:31:00] <SpallsHurgenson> because if there is one thing this world needs, it is more bright blue LEDs
[02:31:30] <SpallsHurgenson> "Designed to drive you stark raving mad in 20 minutes... or your money back!"
[02:31:44] <crutchy> hehe. pretty funky. can see the water boiling on the bottom
[02:32:08] <SpallsHurgenson> I just wait until it goes TWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[02:32:27] <SpallsHurgenson> I mean, a watched pot never boils and all that... so what's the point of the lights? :)
[02:34:04] * juggs grants crutchy 50 wifey patience coins.
[02:39:32] * crutchy shuts down sub-cleaning mode and engages shania twain :/
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[02:41:56] * juggs notes humour may not be a strong suit :(
[02:42:38] <crutchy> i don't mind shania twain. prolly older stuff more
[02:56:12] * juggs donates to SpallsHurgenson's fund to end all super bright blue LEDs. They took my soul, they lit up my sleeping quarters like an enemy flare night after night on receipt of an SMS. Nokia has some responsibility to shoulder here too - one LED, no two, there is no way to put that phone down that the incoming light assault will not disturb your sleep. It was a blue SATAN in a handset. Torture on unexpecting millions of citizens that bought th
[02:56:13] * juggs ese handsets. Was this a governmental experiment? We'll bring you the facts... *font 1 [when we have some]
[02:57:00] <juggs> :D
[02:57:14] <crutchy> maybe they just didn't make the off switch easy enough to find
[02:58:36] <crutchy> hmm... taylor dane vs barry white?
[02:58:38] <juggs> I seem to remember it it was on the top.
[03:00:11] <crutchy> whao
[03:00:21] <crutchy> mrcoolbp has been busy on the wiki
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[03:40:18] * juggs passes out
[03:59:11] <crutchy> gotta love youtube comments
[03:59:12] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[03:59:13] <dogpipe> ^ 03KINGS OF STRINGS - "CARAVAN" AMAZING ! - YouTube
[03:59:26] <crutchy> "It's called "CARAVAN" not "SPEEDINGTRUCKDRIVERONMETH""
[04:03:54] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[04:03:55] <dogpipe> ^ 03Tommy Emmanuel - Angelina - Sandra Bae - YouTube
[04:04:09] <crutchy> fuck. that's pretty good. big shoes to fill
[04:06:54] <crutchy> and the maestro: https://www.youtube.com
[04:06:55] <dogpipe> ^ 03Angelina | Songbook | Tommy Emmanuel - YouTube
[04:34:59] <SirFinkus> god dammit, my replacement laptop keyboard came, but those retards didn't package it correctly and it was bend a good 30 degrees
[04:35:07] <SirFinkus> hope it still works
[04:35:36] <SpallsHurgenson> I recommend a hammer
[04:36:08] <SirFinkus> I bent it back, there weren't any particularly alarming cracking noises
[04:36:31] <SirFinkus> but it's never going to feel right typing on it
[04:36:33] <SpallsHurgenson> if it doesn't work, just pound harder
[04:38:58] <SpallsHurgenson> violence is always the solution!
[04:41:33] <SirFinkus> if I could only get a steamroller...
[04:42:42] <SirFinkus> it's an interesting artifact of English that most people still call them steamrollers
[04:42:57] <SpallsHurgenson> the crunching sounds means its working!
[04:45:11] <SirFinkus> it's busted then, no crunching noises
[04:45:44] <SirFinkus> what I really need is a muscle roller
[04:45:47] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[04:45:48] <dogpipe> ^ 03Ultimate Muscle Roller Legend - YouTube
[04:52:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Researchers Say Almost All SAP Installs Hackable - http://sylnt.us - thats-the-way-we-like-our-data
[04:55:04] * SpallsHurgenson looks for his OS/2 disk images... I feel like taking a trip back in time
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[05:06:56] <SirFinkus> props to toshiba, that keyboard replacement was shockingly easy
[05:07:09] <SirFinkus> took 5 minutes, and 5 screws
[05:07:14] * crutchy only buys toshiba laptops
[05:07:19] <SirFinkus> hardest part was inserting the ribbon cable
[05:11:38] <SirFinkus> I was actually a little worried I wouldn't be able to figure this one out, but luckily it randomly started beeping one time I turned it on
[05:11:57] <SirFinkus> thought the mobo was shot or something
[05:20:21] <JamesNZ> Does this PDF show properly for anyone? http://www.minedu.govt.nz
[05:21:55] <chromas> 0 bytes
[05:22:14] <JamesNZ> Grrmph, same here.
[05:22:44] <SirFinkus> newp
[05:23:29] <SirFinkus> oh, best buy wanted $250 for that repair btw
[05:23:54] <SirFinkus> that was like $50 in labor and $15 in parts for me
[05:24:04] <SirFinkus> and I can barely sleep at night charging that
[05:28:32] <crutchy> ~sizeof http://www.minedu.govt.nz
[05:28:33] <exec> 130 bytes
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[05:32:31] * JamesNZ found another Novopay report \o/
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[05:54:16] <SirFinkus> I don't know what novopay is, but it sounds like some kind of terrible java applet that only runs in IE6
[05:58:45] <crutchy> it's hosted on IIS
[05:58:59] <crutchy> (the zero-byte file)
[06:00:31] <crutchy> can't remember what the header is that say that
[06:00:45] <crutchy> ~header content-length http://www.minedu.govt.nz
[06:00:46] <exec> content-length header for http://www.minedu.govt.nz = 0
[06:01:01] <crutchy> ~header server http://www.minedu.govt.nz
[06:01:02] <exec> server header for http://www.minedu.govt.nz = Microsoft-IIS/6.0
[06:06:27] <crutchy> think i've finally undone the xml spooge
[06:08:23] <JamesNZ> SirFinkus: It's an example of how not to replace a payroll system.
[06:08:34] <JamesNZ> crutchy: :P
[06:08:57] <JamesNZ> https://en.wikipedia.org
[06:08:59] <dogpipe> ^ 03Wiki: Novopay
[06:09:45] <SirFinkus> ew
[06:09:55] <SirFinkus> From the outset, the system led to widespread problems with over 8,000 teachers receiving the wrong pay and in some cases no pay at all;[3] within a few months, 90% of schools were affected.[4]
[06:10:07] <SirFinkus> pretty bad on the scale of "shit that can go wrong"
[06:10:33] <SirFinkus> a level or two below "people died" I guess
[06:10:42] <JamesNZ> You should see the examples of how it went wrong.
[06:11:05] <SirFinkus> haha, so if I'm reading this correctly
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[06:11:32] <SirFinkus> the government assumed the liability of this private company's shitty software
[06:11:48] <SirFinkus> and I presume the company gets all the profits
[06:12:33] <JamesNZ> :P
[06:13:58] <SirFinkus> even the name seems like trouble
[06:28:13] <crutchy> that my friends is a perfect demonstration of why government should do as little as possible
[06:29:38] <crutchy> s/ a / yet another /
[06:29:39] <sedctl> <crutchy> that my friends is yet another perfect demonstration of why government should do as little as possible
[06:31:28] <crutchy> its not that what they are responsible for is unnecessary (there are a lot of noble things that governments are supposed to do)
[06:32:16] <JamesNZ> s/as little as possible/everything right./
[06:32:20] <crutchy> they just suck at most things. badly
[06:32:36] <crutchy> there is no incentive for government agencies to do anything right
[06:32:45] <crutchy> cos its other peoples money
[06:32:56] <crutchy> they just don't really give a shit. unfortunately
[06:33:02] <JamesNZ> You mean apart from being voted out of office/hated universally?
[06:33:15] <JamesNZ> You're making waaay too many assumptions.
[06:33:21] <crutchy> they don't care about that either. cos they just lie and cheat their way back in
[06:33:35] <chromas> who does have incentive to do it right?
[06:33:49] <crutchy> governments are the most corrupt organizations in human history
[06:34:18] <JamesNZ> That's because governments have had all the power in human history.
[06:34:19] <crutchy> and the most monopolistic (being the only organizations that can legally force their citizens)
[06:34:26] <crutchy> yup
[06:35:38] <crutchy> all the more important to limit governments to minimal responsibilities (law and order, national defense, etc)
[06:35:44] <JamesNZ> Anyway, I'm blaming 'straya for Novopay 'cause Talent2 :D
[06:36:14] <crutchy> haha. well NZ is basically straya anyway
[06:36:21] * crutchy ducks for cover
[06:36:22] <JamesNZ> crutchy: So who takes responsibilities for paying the teachers? And why do you think that they'll be any better?
[06:36:34] * JamesNZ craftily sends geese after crutchy
[06:36:59] <crutchy> generally parents of the students, in the case of private schools anyway
[06:37:18] <crutchy> public schools are woefully underfunded usually
[06:37:33] <JamesNZ> You want parents of the students to implement a national payroll system? :P
[06:37:40] <crutchy> lol hell no
[06:37:43] <JamesNZ> XD
[06:38:02] <crutchy> pay a company, but do it properly. not like a government would
[06:38:25] <crutchy> subcontracting is pretty common. only governments tend to fuck it up that bad
[06:38:38] <JamesNZ> Do governments by definition not do it properly or something? And do companies in general do it right?
[06:38:54] <crutchy> companies do things better because it costs them if they fuck up
[06:38:59] <crutchy> they have financial incentive
[06:39:34] <JamesNZ> Uhhhh, and governments don't? NZ had to pay over 11 million extra for Novopay IIRC.
[06:39:50] <crutchy> why did they do that?
[06:40:20] <JamesNZ> Because compensation, overtime, more workers for fixing the errors...
[06:40:21] <crutchy> you think a private organization would just hand over 11 million dollars extra?
[06:40:41] <crutchy> because to government 11 million dollars is nothing
[06:40:47] <crutchy> they just don't give a toss
[06:40:54] <crutchy> its just taxpayer money
[06:40:57] <JamesNZ> I don't think a private organization would have a choice if every teacher in the nation was up in arms against them.
[06:41:08] <crutchy> they would sue the software developer
[06:41:22] <JamesNZ> And the errors would fix themselves?
[06:41:35] <JamesNZ> Dude, the more taxpayer money is spent unnecessarily, the less likely it is for a party to remain in power :P
[06:41:48] <JamesNZ> Governments have a vested interest in doing it right.
[06:41:51] <crutchy> they probably wouldn't have allowed the errors in the first place, but i guess that
[06:41:58] <crutchy> s just heresay
[06:42:16] <crutchy> governments dont give a fuck about doing anything right
[06:42:21] <JamesNZ> Can't really say that for sure, companies make mistakes all the time.
[06:42:21] <crutchy> look at congress in the USA
[06:42:59] <crutchy> what 'vested interest' does government have?
[06:43:01] <JamesNZ> Notice how different parties get in power in different times? It's often because the other made mistakes.
[06:43:18] <JamesNZ> Staying in power? That's kinda the point of a political party.
[06:43:26] <crutchy> no its not. its to make money
[06:43:33] <JamesNZ> And if everyone hates you, you won't get back in power.
[06:43:59] <JamesNZ> Nope, you're making sweeping generalizations that you can't back up.
[06:44:00] <crutchy> if everyone hates you, it just means you haven't lied enough
[06:44:17] <JamesNZ> Plenty of CEO's make more money than government ministers/employees.
[06:44:24] <crutchy> there's no honesty in politics. i pity anyone who thinks otherwise
[06:44:49] <crutchy> haha yeah but politicians are just idiots who can't make it to CEO
[06:44:55] <JamesNZ> I didn't say there was complete honesty, I said the goal is not to make money.
[06:45:17] <JamesNZ> crutchy: Er, John Key was pretty successful. Pretty sure he was a CEO at some point.
[06:45:24] <crutchy> corruption is rife in politics. there's always a money trail
[06:45:43] <crutchy> a lot of politicians go onto becoming CEOs
[06:45:50] <crutchy> or shareholders
[06:45:51] <chromas> they go both ways
[06:45:56] <chromas> wink
[06:46:14] <crutchy> there's often sharing of influence
[06:46:22] <JamesNZ> Sure there's corruption, but as I said the point of government is not to make money.
[06:46:28] <crutchy> if a company can buy political influence, why wouldn't they?
[06:46:43] <JamesNZ> Besides, NZ is supposed to be one of the least corrupt countries in the world :P
[06:46:47] <crutchy> the point of "government" isn't to make money
[06:46:58] <crutchy> but politicians only care about making money
[06:46:59] <JamesNZ> crutchy: They do buy political influence.
[06:47:06] <JamesNZ> [citation needed]
[06:47:20] <crutchy> yes they do. cos its up for sale
[06:47:40] <crutchy> politicians sell their inflence to the highest bidder
[06:47:49] <crutchy> its pathetic
[06:47:50] <JamesNZ> Nope, not for everything.
[06:48:13] <crutchy> i think there are exceptions; ron paul for example
[06:48:14] <JamesNZ> I doubt the assets that we recently half-sold were all happy about being sold.
[06:48:34] <crutchy> what assets?
[06:49:06] <JamesNZ> NZ half-sold a bunch of companies, power stations, Air NZ, etc.
[06:49:23] <crutchy> privatisation is a mirky business. seldom as 'private' as you would think
[06:49:36] <JamesNZ> There was a big debacle over it in the last election.
[06:50:01] <crutchy> there's usually various back door deals and shonky transactions
[06:50:15] <crutchy> governments are good at those
[06:50:33] <crutchy> there ya go. something government is good at :p
[06:50:39] <JamesNZ> :D
[06:51:37] <crutchy> my dad works as a power operator here. the electricity market here is a rort
[06:52:02] <crutchy> there's nothing competitive about it (at the generator level)
[06:52:36] <crutchy> power companies make most of their money from their retail businesses
[06:52:57] <JamesNZ> So... all the more reason to not trust companies? :P
[06:53:50] <crutchy> not the companies that are untrustworthy (they will do whatever they can to make money... very predictable). its the government regulation that fucks it up. thats the unpredictable part that often backfires
[06:53:59] <JamesNZ> Now, companies I trust less than governments because the stated point of a company is to make governments.
[06:54:10] <crutchy> make governments?
[06:54:16] <JamesNZ> Sorry, make money* :P
[06:54:17] <crutchy> how do they do that?
[06:54:19] <crutchy> lol
[06:54:21] <crutchy> ah yeah
[06:54:37] <crutchy> but that's what we all try to do. nothing wrong with that
[06:54:49] <crutchy> at least companies can't use force like governments
[06:54:55] <JamesNZ> Oh? I for one try to do the right thing whatever the cost.
[06:55:16] <crutchy> every man looks out for himself and his family, as he should
[06:55:16] <JamesNZ> Companies like Monsanto are pretty forceful.
[06:55:41] <crutchy> the companies aren't forceful. the politicians that sold themselves to the companies are
[06:56:12] <JamesNZ> [citation needed]
[06:56:29] <crutchy> take apple for example. does anyone force people to buy iphones?
[06:57:06] <JamesNZ> Does peer-pressure count? ;)
[06:57:15] <crutchy> or even in the case of monsanto. nobody forces farmers to buy their products. monsanto is usually in the news over patent issues (again, patents are a force of government)
[06:57:41] <JamesNZ> Monsanto has a bit of a monopoly in the area, so I don't know that the farmers have a choice.
[06:57:51] <JamesNZ> And patents are nuts whichever way you look at it.
[06:58:01] <crutchy> monopolies are usually derived from government force
[06:58:14] <crutchy> licensing, patents, subsidies, etc
[06:58:31] <chromas> power plants
[06:58:39] <crutchy> oh they are powerful too :D
[06:58:48] <crutchy> except when they aren't turned on
[06:58:53] <JamesNZ> :P
[06:59:03] <chromas> are their monopolies government-granted?
[06:59:06] <crutchy> they need constant supply of nude miley cirus phones to remain turned on
[06:59:14] <crutchy> *photos
[07:00:05] <crutchy> what monopoly power company we talking about here?
[07:00:16] <crutchy> not really any in australia
[07:00:32] <crutchy> generating electricity isn't very profitable here
[07:00:52] <JamesNZ> I don't think there are any power monopolies here.
[07:01:04] <crutchy> too many pesky solar panels on peoples roofs)
[07:01:27] * JamesNZ wants solar panels in space
[07:01:50] * crutchy has considered solar, but its still pretty expensive for an old house
[07:02:03] <crutchy> a lot of new houses have them
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[11:31:44] <SirFinkus> http://www.vox.com
[11:31:45] <dogpipe> ^ 03Meet the MIT student who filmed his own brain surgery - Vox
[11:31:49] <SirFinkus> holy shit, that's terrifying
[11:32:00] <SirFinkus> and he's awake the whole time
[11:32:19] <SirFinkus> I don't think any amount of drugs would make me ok with that
[11:34:05] * SirFinkus wonders if the sensation of thinking is only in our brain region because we know our brain is there
[11:38:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:38:05] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1357
[11:38:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, all the odds in order
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[12:03:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> whew, almost mod-banned Geotti then saw that the five downmods of one person were done between two different days
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[12:34:14] <janrinok> hi guys
[12:34:15] <ciri> hello, whats up janrinok
[12:34:31] <SirFinkus> morning janrinok
[12:34:36] <SirFinkus> err, evening
[12:34:39] <SirFinkus> or whatever
[12:34:42] <janrinok> hi SirFinkus
[12:34:43] <ciri> hi, do you yahoo? janrinok
[12:34:48] <SirFinkus> too hard to keep track of
[12:34:59] <SirFinkus> I see ciri is energetic today too...
[12:35:01] <janrinok> i understand completely :)
[12:35:20] <janrinok> I don't hear/see ciri, so I will take your word for it
[12:35:47] <SirFinkus> I know, just gotta annoy you with ciri's input when I see you
[12:35:54] * SirFinkus defeats the purpose of your block!
[12:36:14] <janrinok> tbh, I'm not quite sure what useful purpose ciri is meant to fulfil.
[12:36:48] <SirFinkus> scapegoat
[12:37:03] <janrinok> ah, in that role he/she is successful
[12:37:31] <janrinok> how is your day so far?
[12:37:32] <ciri> very carefully and then some
[12:37:37] <SirFinkus> ciri is genderfluid
[12:37:51] <SirFinkus> not bad
[12:38:53] <janrinok> a grey day here but at least it has not started raining - yet
[12:39:30] <janrinok> so I'm doing a bit of programming
[12:42:19] <SirFinkus> destroying my ears with irresponsible volume levels for now
[12:42:28] <janrinok> pardon?
[12:42:47] <janrinok> I can't hear you - someone is playing their music way too loud
[12:43:00] <SirFinkus> I can't even here me
[12:43:03] <SirFinkus> hear me
[12:43:06] <SirFinkus> or spell even
[12:43:15] <janrinok> damn that is loud then!
[12:43:18] <SirFinkus> it's addling my brain
[13:08:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, janrinok. or afternoon as your weird timezone may allege
[13:09:41] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard: good afternoon in my weird tz - how's things?
[13:11:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, bit rainy. going fishing around noon after it's passed by some.
[13:46:02] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard: A quick out-of-nowhere question that you might - or might not - be able to answer. A few months ago we discussed having some form of messaging system for site users, particularly for staff to contact members of the community. Did the idea get anywhere, is it still down the priority list, or was it simply too difficult?
[13:47:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's still on the list but i have no idea where
[13:48:11] <janrinok> OK, thx - I was just wondering.
[13:49:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd still like to see it but that seems like it's gonna be a paulej72 project unless NCommander gets a bug up his butt and decides to do it in an afternoon.
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[14:23:45] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard, janrinok: I think the idea is to get rehash stable before we start adding new features
[14:40:06] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: that seems reasonable enough. It was that the question was implied in a comment that I replied to, and I was just wondering where it had got to. Some would welcome the feedback regarding failed submissions, but we don't want to go down the email/SPAM path again.
[14:41:21] <mrcoolbp> in that case having users able to message "editors" (rather then a single one) would be idea
[14:41:22] <mrcoolbp> ideal
[14:44:09] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: not quite sure that I understand your reply - are you suggesting that those that want the feedback should be able to contact the editors? If so, how do they know which editor made the decision to make sure their message gets to the right place?
[14:44:49] <mrcoolbp> I meant they don't know who rejected a specific story, so we might want a "editors" inbox
[14:45:20] <mrcoolbp> or conversely show who rejected a submission
[14:46:18] <janrinok> Ah, but then we have the same problem. I don't know who deleted any subs that I didn't delete, and after 24 hours I probably can't remember the details of why I deleted any particular story, simply that it wasn't good enough.
[14:46:48] <janrinok> your second reply crossed mine and explained how to solve the problem :)
[14:47:00] <mrcoolbp> who was asking about feedback?
[14:47:10] <mrcoolbp> I don't think anyone has mentioned it in the past few months
[14:48:24] <janrinok> AnonTechie was thanking us for giving him feedback - I pointed out the initially we sent emails regarding subsmission rejections until we received complaints about SPAM.
[14:48:48] <janrinok> its in his journal
[14:51:05] <mrcoolbp> I wonder who sent him feedback
[14:51:29] <janrinok> don't know that bit - I assume it was on here as I couldn't find it in the comments
[14:51:50] <janrinok> but it got me thinking about the messaging system again
[14:56:27] <mrcoolbp> nod
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[18:31:14] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, it would require a fell mood
[18:31:23] <NCommander> at this point
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[18:33:36] * chromas looks up "fell mood"; first link points to dwarf fortress
[18:34:42] <chromas> SoylentXMPP
[18:44:42] <janrinok> hi NCommander - you OK?
[18:44:43] <ciri> hello, whats up janrinok
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[22:10:12] <Ethanol-fueled> Recursion - awesome, or needless?
[22:10:16] <Ethanol-fueled> You decide.
[22:17:48] <chromas> more expensive than a loop
[22:19:08] <Ethanol-fueled> Texts now say that because computing power is so cheap, the results are negligible.
[22:19:27] <Ethanol-fueled> I think it's more of a "look what I can do" thing.
[22:21:57] <chromas> oh everything's negligible now. Use 128-bit floats for everything! and java!
[22:25:19] <Ethanol-fueled> 128 bit floats? You know they teach using doubles in CS curricula whenever you need any number with a decimal point in it, right?
[22:26:03] <Ethanol-fueled> They use them extensively in embedded applications in our gadgets, though.
[22:26:32] <chromas> yeah but computing power and storage are so cheap, 64-bits isn't enough for anybody anymore
[22:27:59] <Ethanol-fueled> It's an interesting contrast, old gadgets were designed by EE types and worked as much as possible out of the box.
[22:28:25] <Ethanol-fueled> now everything is done on FPGAs and shit.
[22:29:26] <chromas> I wonder if there's a firmware update for my toaster
[22:29:35] <chromas> or maybe an alternative one
[22:30:40] <chromas> I miss the old days when monitors/TVs had a reason for taking time to start up
[22:31:31] <Ethanol-fueled> Oh hell yeah, seriously.
[22:31:35] <chromas> Now I turn my TV on, it comes on, turns the backlight on, shows a logo, turns the backlight off, turns the backlight on, sometime later there's blue, then finally a picture
[22:32:16] <Ethanol-fueled> analog dials. One for VHF, one for UHF
[22:32:53] <Ethanol-fueled> 'Dat tactile feel.
[22:32:56] <chromas> UHF? Get off my lawn!
[22:33:37] <Ethanol-fueled> And the number of channels was limited by the numbers on the dial.
[22:33:51] <chromas> and there was no channel 1
[22:35:34] <Ethanol-fueled> There was a Pink Floyd song which mentioned "thirteen channels of shit on the TV to choose from."
[22:35:45] <Ethanol-fueled> Now there are a thousand.
[22:36:37] <chromas> and most are -1, Redundant
[22:37:10] <chromas> "Oh look, I can watch Law & Order on 6 different channels at the same time"
[22:37:25] <Ethanol-fueled> We need more diversity.
[22:37:52] <Ethanol-fueled> the GORE channel, for example. Playing nonstop back-to-back episodes of 'Faces of Death,' 'Traces of death,' and whatever else.
[22:38:56] * chromas switches to Ow! My Balls!: Miami Victims Intent
[22:41:50] * NCommander is alive
[22:42:08] <Ethanol-fueled> sup Ncommander. How 'ya doin?
[22:45:58] <NCommander> my apartment is turning into a three ring circle
[22:45:59] <NCommander> you?
[22:46:54] <chromas> Lions and tigers ans squares, oh my!
[22:49:34] <Ethanol-fueled> Resting. Drinking and smoking pot, waiting for the layoffs.
[22:52:37] <Ethanol-fueled> Living the life as an inebriate slimedevil.
[22:53:49] <Ethanol-fueled> holy shit, angelfire still exists?
[22:54:11] <chromas> tripod too
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[23:18:45] <Ethanol-fueled> run the gewg story.
[23:20:12] <Ethanol-fueled> liberal trolls are trolls nonethless.
[23:24:01] <Ethanol-fueled> Shit, back in the Slashdot days, I was a pro-Israel liberal democrat.
[23:25:39] <Ethanol-fueled> Now, I'm a pro-isolationist American "fuck everybody else" person.
[23:25:52] <chromas> a republican?
[23:26:25] <Ethanol-fueled> no chromas. Republicans are pro military Industrial Complex.
[23:26:46] <Ethanol-fueled> and in favor of foreign meddling in genereal.
[23:27:03] <chromas> yeah but also xenophobic "fuck everybody else"
[23:27:57] <Ethanol-fueled> chromas, you don't understand the American Republican. The American Republican is in support of foreign meddling.
[23:28:16] <chromas> right
[23:28:42] <Ethanol-fueled> As long as we win.
[23:29:11] <chromas> but also fear mexicans and asians and queers and feelings
[23:29:55] <Ethanol-fueled> I don't "fear" any demographic that doesn't drive down wages.
[23:30:49] <crutchy> wtf is a three ring circle?
[23:31:02] <Ethanol-fueled> a demographic that drives down wages is not a problem in itself, but a problem in the system in which it operates.
[23:31:03] <crutchy> oh circus maybe
[23:31:44] <Ethanol-fueled> No, rather, the problem is within the system rather than its operands.
[23:32:10] <crutchy> wanna have a libertarian argument Ethanol-fueled?
[23:32:17] <crutchy> .socialist Ethanol-fueled
[23:32:18] <exec> 04Ethanol-fueled, YOU'RE a SOCIALIST!
[23:32:35] <crutchy> ~link socialist
[23:32:36] <exec> └─ "socialist" not found
[23:32:40] <crutchy> wtf
[23:32:40] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, no, because that would flag me as an enemy of the state.
[23:32:46] <crutchy> haha yeah prolly
[23:32:58] <chromas> you already are
[23:33:01] <crutchy> the kill list must be getting long now
[23:33:10] <chromas> you must be pro israel
[23:33:34] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm probably on that kill list.
[23:33:52] <crutchy> if there's ever a draft in australia for a war in some other country, i'll be dodging
[23:33:57] <Ethanol-fueled> Well, at least I died believing what I believed in.
[23:34:05] <chromas> lol
[23:34:08] <crutchy> i'd rather serve in prison here than off in some dirkadirkastan
[23:34:56] <crutchy> politicians can go fuck emselves
[23:35:14] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, you don't have to do that.
[23:35:28] <Ethanol-fueled> Aussies have a pivot point - CHINA.
[23:35:57] <Ethanol-fueled> You can see at a glance the mistakes America is making.
[23:36:14] <crutchy> our political leaders are quite the retards though. they can't see beyond their own noses
[23:36:15] <Ethanol-fueled> You can pivot away from those mistakes.
[23:36:37] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, at least they're not as retarded as the brits.
[23:36:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - All hail the next big job, the Chief IoT Officer - http://sylnt.us
[23:36:52] <Ethanol-fueled> chromas: Explain your country!
[23:37:44] <crutchy> if america invades russia or syria or whatever, our illustrious lapdog leaders will send thousands of aussies off to die without thinking twice... cos we must hold up to the ANZUS slavery.. i mean alliance
[23:38:21] <chromas> uh, hm. well, it's full of republicans and democrats who move between industries and their regulators, and does israel's bidding
[23:39:01] <crutchy> chromas, i think (in the mid-west at least) there are more and more libertarians
[23:39:41] <crutchy> the republicans had to cheat to stop ron paul from being nominated in 2012
[23:40:20] <crutchy> supressed the votes of entire counties
[23:43:15] <Ethanol-fueled> Fuck Israel.
[23:49:23] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[23:49:23] <dogpipe> ^ 03Panzer rollen in Afrika vor (English Subtitle) - YouTube
[23:55:00] <Ethanol-fueled> Man, that's an awesome video.