#Soylent | Logs for 2015-04-13

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[00:36:05] * juggs cracks whips, looks ebil, chuckles and stalks off
[00:49:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - IBM and FUJIFILM Create Equivalent of 220 TB Tape Cartridge - http://sylnt.us - who-still-remembers-the-write-enable-ring?
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[02:20:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mysterious Radio Astronomy Signals Turn Out To Be Microwave Ovens - http://sylnt.us - what-about-macro-waves
[02:28:51] <chromas> microwaves, macroparticles
[02:29:47] <paulej72> hello everyone
[02:29:48] <ciri> hello paulej72
[02:30:13] <paulej72> anything happen since I last checked in
[02:30:15] <juggs> hi paulej72, how's things?
[02:31:08] <paulej72> was spending tme withe the family and did not have mu he of a chance to log in here
[02:31:45] <paulej72> I saw you note about the mod docs, I look at that tomorrow
[02:31:51] <juggs> paulej72, some chatter about ads in the other place, I presume you have scrollback,
[02:32:17] <paulej72> yes, I'll look now
[02:34:36] <chromas> Maybe you can get Dice to advertise on soylent :D
[02:35:09] <chromas> from the please,-please-come-back dept
[02:36:44] <juggs> No rush paulej72 , old ground with a different perspective mostly. We probably want to re-base our financial goals and aims now the long awaited stock issuance issue is out the way. Hopefully mrcoolbp can stir up the accountant to let us know what we are in for come our new year end
[02:37:50] <juggs> chromas, Dice job ads on SN? That could work >.>
[02:38:25] * juggs jiggles like a sand foundation
[02:38:49] * chromas built his bot upon the sand
[02:40:09] * juggs tries to think up some witticism about twice daily saline washes and sand-blasting - comes up short
[02:42:54] * chromas 's attempt returns true; keeps rejoinder to himself and/or #
[02:46:34] <chromas> some new cars have the ability to email you about what they're up to
[02:53:16] <juggs> I got afraid when you used the word "rejoinder" - I smelt a lawyer.
[02:53:46] <Bytram> smelt a lawyer? Sounds fishy!
[02:55:25] <juggs> Nooo - that's reptile breath. They'reeee everywhere!
[02:59:20] <paulej72> smelt is when you melt metals to refine. are we smelting lawyers now
[03:00:00] <Bytram> prolly... just trying to iron things out
[03:00:44] <chromas> ho!
[03:01:39] <Bytram> ho ho ho? We've got a few months before that comes around again!
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[03:37:40] <juggs> ~time Bytram
[03:37:42] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Monday, 13 April 2015, 3:37 am
[03:37:51] <Bytram> !uid
[03:37:52] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5205, owned by chameleon3
[03:38:24] * Bytram wonders if we have an SN Nick: KarmaChameleon
[03:39:43] * Bytram refreshes his list of SN nicks...
[03:40:50] <Bytram> http://soylentnews.org
[03:40:51] <clippit> ^ 03SoylentNews Friend/Foe System
[03:40:55] <Bytram> lol
[03:40:56] <ciri> it's not that funny :)
[03:41:20] <Bytram> wrong index, anyway.
[03:41:51] <Bytram> atm, we have no nicks containing 'cham' in either upper/lower/mixed case
[03:42:11] <Bytram> ciao for now
[03:51:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - World of Warcraft Gold Rises Sharply Against Dollar - http://sylnt.us - oooooooo-shiny!
[04:29:12] <mrcoolbp> juggs: yes, and I’m curious that now the server migration is underway, what our current hosting looks like (or will look like when we are “done” with the ‘great consolidation’ if we are not already)
[04:29:52] <mrcoolbp> juggs: I’ve not had time this weekend to contact our CPA, but will do so this week when I can get a few minutes of free time
[04:30:21] * mrcoolbp goes to bed
[04:52:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Mexico Bans Civil Asset Forfeiture - http://sylnt.us - gimme-back-my-stuff
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[05:21:51] <Ethanol-fueled> 'sup.
[05:22:40] <JamesNZ> \o
[05:23:09] <Ethanol-fueled> Sundays suck.
[05:23:53] <JamesNZ> It's Monday night here.
[05:23:59] <JamesNZ> s/night/evening/
[05:23:59] <sedctl> <JamesNZ> It's Monday evening here.
[05:26:09] <Ethanol-fueled> man, must be nice. Monday already over.
[05:26:23] <Ethanol-fueled> I'd fly all the way over there just so Monday would be over.
[05:26:32] <JamesNZ> :P
[05:26:56] <Ethanol-fueled> gonna get SLAMMED at work this week. RMAs shipping a day after I get the parts to fix them is gonna be a bitch.
[05:28:05] <JamesNZ> RMA's?
[05:28:32] <Ethanol-fueled> Return Merchandise Authorization.
[05:28:46] <Ethanol-fueled> When a customer buys your company' shit, it breaks, and they send it in for repair.
[05:29:23] <JamesNZ> Ah.
[05:30:37] * Ethanol-fueled hopes the family-owned competition hurries up and starts a repair department
[05:31:45] <JamesNZ> Heh.
[05:32:12] <Ethanol-fueled> This company used to be family-owned before the MBAs from Big Corp. shitted it all up.
[05:32:42] <Ethanol-fueled> You wouldn't believe the dumb-ass metrics used here...they rate us on PROFIT MARGIN.
[05:33:03] <Ethanol-fueled> Among other stupid things. So, instead of doing the best job we can, the priority shifts to gaming the metrics.
[05:33:43] <JamesNZ> Sounds bureaucratic :P
[05:33:49] <Ethanol-fueled> *snap* Hey customer, it'll be an extra 2000 bucks to pad my metrics. Sorry!
[05:35:46] <Ethanol-fueled> Those who don't understand why Dilbert is funny aren't fucking there.
[05:37:26] <Ethanol-fueled> But with the perverse curiosity of a gawker watching a ten-car highway pileup, I'm going to go down with the ship.
[05:37:56] <Ethanol-fueled> See it through till layoff time so I can get my dole and get paid to fuck off on the beach for a month.
[05:38:06] <Ethanol-fueled> OR nine ;)
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[05:52:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Linux Distro Released: elementary OS 0.3 "Freya" - http://sylnt.us - my-dear-watson
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[06:26:16] <chromas> lLinux is old hat—too mainstream
[06:36:27] <JamesNZ> Yeah. Let's use OS/2!
[06:38:39] <chromas> poor i/bm
[07:12:13] <crutchy> coffee++
[07:12:13] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1282
[07:24:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - World's Most Powerful Electromagnet Unveiled - http://sylnt.us - Big-Magnet
[07:52:32] <JamesNZ> If that could fly, we could totally have heli-carriers.
[07:58:20] <crutchy> or those matrix hover-zapper pad thingys
[07:59:39] <crutchy> ah wait they aren't really magnets.
[07:59:43] <crutchy> or are they
[07:59:51] <crutchy> doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
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[08:55:03] <crutchy> pretty quiet on all channels today. is everyone suffering monday-itis?
[08:55:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Florida 14-Year-Old Charged with Felony for Changing Background Image on Teacher's Computer - http://sylnt.us - hackers-on-gatorade
[08:55:36] <crutchy> ooh how did nc's streaming thingy go?
[10:17:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:17:07] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1283
[10:20:48] * crutchy salutes
[10:20:51] <crutchy> coffee++
[10:20:51] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1284
[10:21:09] <crutchy> sucking phockets
[10:21:27] <crutchy> s/ph/f/
[10:21:27] <sedctl> <crutchy> sucking fockets
[10:23:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> urg, aside from adblock edge getting the boot, not much going on yet today.
[10:25:48] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[10:25:48] <Bender> karma - tea: 447
[10:25:49] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[10:25:49] <Bender> karma - tea: 448
[10:25:50] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[10:25:50] <Bender> karma - tea: 449
[10:28:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;weather
[10:28:10] <MrPlow> Syntax: ;weather City, ST or ;weather zip code
[10:28:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh ya
[10:28:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;weather jackson, tn
[10:28:25] <MrPlow> Today: Rain showers early then thundershowers for the afternoon. High 73F. Winds SE at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 60%. Tomorrow: Showers in the morning, then cloudy in the afternoon. High 69F. Winds NE at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 40%.
[10:28:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh fun. guess i'll skip fishing today then.
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[10:30:04] <crutchy> MrPlow needs personalised weather too
[10:34:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i should fix that sometime
[10:34:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> he needs a local data store besides cache
[10:36:33] * crutchy is trying to get execstat to send requests for data lists
[10:37:29] <crutchy> not sure but i think the socket server is being a butthole, or the bot is ignoring it (maybe the bot also thinks the socket server is a butthole)
[10:37:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> like to use mysql but i don't have space set up for me in the staff mysql db yet
[10:38:25] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders just using an sqlite db
[10:38:50] <crutchy> real men use text files :D
[10:40:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> possibly but real programmers know existing wheels are better than self-invented ones unless you got a damned good reason.
[10:41:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... db access should be global even if it means having to reload MrPlow
[10:45:37] * crutchy went to the shitter and had an epiphany
[10:45:58] <crutchy> the socket server isn't being a butthole. the eediot running is is being a butthole
[10:46:36] <crutchy> the server is outputting the right thing. the reason why the bot is ignoring is is cos the server isn't being run by the bot, so the bot has nfi what its saying
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[10:47:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> makes sense
[10:48:17] <crutchy> now its sorta working, but there's a parse error. at least i can debug that
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[10:50:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> welcome back, botty
[10:50:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;reload
[10:50:12] <MrPlow> Reloaded
[10:51:14] <crutchy> access_violations--
[10:51:14] <Bender> karma - access_violations: -1
[10:53:15] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders data organization
[10:57:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[11:42:21] <crutchy> hmm. bot is definitely sending back a crapload of data
[11:42:30] <crutchy> everything that's being asked for
[11:49:52] <crutchy> execstat seems to be running fairly stable. not sure why alias list not showing up. didn't realise github feed script went for so long
[11:52:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;weather
[11:52:45] <MrPlow> Syntax: ;weather City, ST or ;weather zip code
[11:53:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;weather-add Jackson, TN
[11:53:15] <MrPlow> Syntax: ;weather City, ST or ;weather zip code
[11:53:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm...
[11:53:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> bad parsing
[11:55:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;weatheradd Jackson, TN
[11:55:01] <MrPlow> User TheMightyBuzzard location set to 'Jackson, TN'.
[11:55:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;weather
[11:55:08] <MrPlow> Syntax: ;weather City, ST or ;weather zip code
[11:55:13] * TheMightyBuzzard frowns
[11:57:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - "Rightwing lobby has 'broken' Hugo awards" Says George R.R. Martin - http://sylnt.us - Livejournal-still-works
[12:01:40] <crutchy> damn. i think the alias list response is fucking up :(
[12:01:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, having a funky, funky issue myself
[12:22:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;reload
[12:22:29] <MrPlow> Reloaded
[12:22:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;weather-add 38343
[12:22:47] <MrPlow> Today: Scattered thunderstorms developing this afternoon. High 74F. Winds SE at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 60%. Tomorrow: Showers in the morning with some clearing in the afternoon. High 69F. Winds NE at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 60%.
[12:23:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> grumble
[12:23:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;reload
[12:23:26] <MrPlow> Reloaded
[12:23:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;weatheradd 38343
[12:23:30] <MrPlow> User TheMightyBuzzard location set to '38343'.
[12:23:36] <crutchy> ooh
[12:23:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;weather
[12:23:36] <MrPlow> Today: Scattered thunderstorms developing this afternoon. High 74F. Winds SE at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 60%. Tomorrow: Showers in the morning with some clearing in the afternoon. High 69F. Winds NE at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 60%.
[12:23:47] <crutchy> heyhey!
[12:23:59] <crutchy> ;weatheradd 3844
[12:23:59] <MrPlow> User crutchy location set to '3844'.
[12:24:07] <crutchy> ;weatheradd 3000
[12:24:07] <MrPlow> User crutchy location set to '3000'.
[12:24:12] <crutchy> ;weather
[12:24:12] <MrPlow> Today: Tomorrow:
[12:24:16] <crutchy> :/
[12:24:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> can use a zip or a location
[12:24:22] <crutchy> ah
[12:24:35] <crutchy> ;weather melbourne, victoria, australia
[12:24:35] <MrPlow> Today: Tomorrow:
[12:24:44] <crutchy> ;weatheradd melbourne, victoria, australia
[12:24:44] <MrPlow> User crutchy location set to 'melbourne, victoria, australia'.
[12:24:49] <crutchy> ;weather
[12:24:49] <MrPlow> Today: Tomorrow:
[12:24:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> well hell
[12:25:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> try just melbourne, australia
[12:25:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> either way, thas slightly buggy
[12:25:29] <crutchy> ;weatheradd melbourne, australia
[12:25:29] <MrPlow> User crutchy location set to 'melbourne, australia'.
[12:25:33] <crutchy> ;weather
[12:25:33] <MrPlow> Today: Considerable cloudiness. Lows overnight in the low 50s. Tomorrow: Rain showers early with mostly cloudy conditions later in the day. High 74F. Winds NNE at 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 50%.
[12:25:46] <crutchy> lol 'considerable cloudiness'?
[12:26:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't ask me, that's weather underground for you
[12:26:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dig the verbose descriptions though
[12:27:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> wish there were a way to check if a location is legit before making an api call for it
[12:28:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, i should put a location into the description
[12:28:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> later though. need caffeine and nicotine
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[12:37:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;weather 74820
[12:37:04] <MrPlow> Today: Thunderstorms this morning, windy during the afternoon with occasional rain. High around 65F. NE winds at 10 to 15 mph, increasing to 20 to 30 mph. Chance of rain 100%. Tomorrow: Rain showers early with overcast skies later in the day. High 63F. Winds NNE at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 40%.
[12:45:16] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[12:45:17] <clippit> ^ 03The Duck Song 18+ - YouTube
[12:45:20] <crutchy> lmao
[12:45:51] <crutchy> i must be reeeeeaally tired to be literally crying with laughter from this crap
[12:47:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> well it is pretty late for you
[12:48:47] <SirFinkus> yeah, that's pretty bad
[12:49:54] <SirFinkus> when it comes to shitty mspaint art movies, pilotredsun is the best
[12:49:55] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[12:49:56] <clippit> ^ 03Garfielf - YouTube
[12:50:33] <SirFinkus> succinct video documenting the plotline of every garfield comic
[12:51:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> think ima watch some tv now
[12:54:13] <takyon> that reminds me
[12:54:33] <takyon> http://garfieldminusgarfield.net
[12:54:34] <clippit> ^ 03garfield minus garfield
[12:54:46] <SirFinkus> that one's just depressing though
[12:56:06] <takyon> some cats just want to watch the world burn
[12:57:29] <takyon> http://garfieldminusgarfield.net
[12:57:29] <clippit> ^ 03garfield minus garfield
[13:02:23] <SirFinkus> haha, that hugo award story should be fun to watch
[13:08:41] <SirFinkus> man TheMightyBuzzard looks pissed
[13:10:02] <crutchy> copious amounts of alcohol will do that
[13:10:40] <takyon> this fleg chap done did it
[13:10:41] <SirFinkus> aw shit, he's been drinking? I missed it
[13:12:36] <SirFinkus> I'd comment myself, but I know almost nothing about the hugo awards aside from what they are, and all the story is is one guys opinions, not much I can really add
[13:14:06] <takyon> The Hugo Award is highly regarded by observers. The Los Angeles Times has termed it "among the highest honors bestowed in science fiction and fantasy writing",[1] a claim echoed by Wired, who said that it was "the premier award in the science fiction genre".[45] Justine Larbalestier, in The Battle of the Sexes in Science Fiction (2002), referred to the awards as "the best known and most prestigious of the science fiction awards",[46] and Jo W
[13:14:30] <SirFinkus> yes, I know what the hugo awards are
[13:14:32] <takyon> can't wait for the criticism section to appear on the wikipedia article
[13:14:38] <takyon> although I actually can wait
[13:14:50] <takyon> no I just wanted to quote that glowing text
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[13:31:34] <SirFinkus> bah, I think I'm losing my hearing since I got my shitty amp
[13:31:39] <SirFinkus> too fun to play loud
[13:47:30] <SirFinkus> shit, I need to get off the internet http://www.hamous.org
[13:47:36] <SirFinkus> why do these images exist?
[13:47:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, I don't get pissed off in comments. I deeply enjoy arguing.
[13:48:15] <SirFinkus> I believe that, you do come across as angry
[13:49:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg, hard to avoid in a text medium. best to always assume i have a smile brought about by being correct all up in people's faces though.
[13:50:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> nothing cheeses people off more than being right at them.
[13:51:47] <SirFinkus> it seems like an interesting topic, but I don't know anything about it really, it would have been nice to have a link from the "voting bloc" for their perspective, there was a quote, but it seemed like the quote was taken to support the opinion of the main story
[13:51:56] <SirFinkus> so idk if it's even in context
[13:52:25] <SirFinkus> fun to watch though
[13:53:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, whole thing is sci-fi and the hugos are largely run by the social justice types lately and the sad puppies said fuck that and got all their nominations on the ballot instead of social justicey ones.
[13:54:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> needless to say, that honked the establishment off.
[13:56:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> the established players are currently pondering voting "no award" rather than give it to someone they didn't hand pick.
[13:56:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's funny really
[13:56:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway... i'm out for the day. things to do that leave no time for mocking people for being wrong.
[13:57:27] <SirFinkus> thing thing that's annoying me in the comment so far is that both sides seem to be arguing around each other, the "sjws" or whatever claim that the puppies are trying to advance some political agenda instead of literary merit, and the puppies are making the same argument. Both sides seem to be arguing the same points, just from different perspectives
[13:57:59] <SirFinkus> but I haven't read most of the works in question, so I couldn't make a judgement
[13:58:04] * SirFinkus prefers older stuff
[13:59:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Why Apollo 13 was Called NASA's Most "Successful Failure." - http://sylnt.us - I'm-coming-home
[13:59:31] * SirFinkus last read "on the beach"
[13:59:38] <SirFinkus> I'd heartily recommend it
[13:59:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> puppies didn't nominate based on political leanings. plenty of lefty type books on their list. just not the right ones apparently.
[13:59:59] * TheMightyBuzzard scoots out the door
[14:00:09] <SirFinkus> haha! but I drew you back in!
[14:00:19] <SirFinkus> I'm sure the opposite side would claim the same
[14:00:27] <SirFinkus> which was my point
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[14:05:31] <crutchy> tmb, finally figured out what was borking my program
[14:06:03] <crutchy> there was a message getting embedded in the middle of another message. fpos :L
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[14:26:08] <crutchy> tomorrow's problem
[14:26:16] <crutchy> 'night #soylent
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[14:43:10] <janrinok> hi guys
[14:43:10] <ciri> o.o janrinok
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[14:59:15] <janrinok> hi SirFinkus
[15:05:02] <SirFinkus> lo janrinok
[15:10:22] <SirFinkus> http://www.litehousefoods.com officially the best thing in the world
[15:10:22] <clippit> ^ 03Cotija Cilantro | Litehouse Foods
[15:11:07] * SirFinkus has exceeded his shilling quota for today
[15:11:11] <SirFinkus> but seriously
[15:11:25] <janrinok> sry SirFinkus, somebody came to the door. how's things?
[15:12:03] * SirFinkus is listening to The Heavy — Same Ol', from the album The Glorious Dead
[15:12:05] <SirFinkus> bout like that
[15:12:25] <SirFinkus> except this dressing
[15:12:29] <janrinok> don't know it, I'm afraid, so I'll go search on youtube for it....
[15:12:42] <SirFinkus> meant more the song titles
[15:12:46] <SirFinkus> title even
[15:12:53] <SirFinkus> damn good song though
[15:14:59] <janrinok> yep, listening to it now
[15:15:54] <SirFinkus> how're you janrinok?
[15:16:20] <janrinok> taking it easy as told to do, but enjoying a nice sunny day!
[15:17:01] <SirFinkus> rain starting up again, but I managed to get out on the bike a few times the past week
[15:17:20] <janrinok> go any good rides?
[15:17:28] <SirFinkus> naw, just errands
[15:17:46] <SirFinkus> I don't ride for the sake of riding, just as a mode of trasnportation
[15:17:58] <janrinok> still good exercise though
[15:18:02] <SirFinkus> beats the car for all metrics other than time
[15:18:37] <SirFinkus> maybe safety too, but idk the stats
[15:18:58] <SirFinkus> only that I've been only killed several times riding vs driving
[15:19:10] <SirFinkus> *almost killed
[15:19:17] <janrinok> I hope that is 'nearly' killed
[15:19:21] <janrinok> ah, corrected
[15:19:25] <SirFinkus> it would be rather impressive if I had been killed several times
[15:19:34] <janrinok> and a feat to be back on IRC too
[15:27:33] <SirFinkus> haha, the hugo story has 63 comments already
[15:28:01] <janrinok> mine shows 62, but no matter
[15:29:09] <SirFinkus> you probably aren't using the vt100 theme, so your counts are less accurate
[15:29:14] <janrinok> lol
[15:29:17] <SirFinkus> because css has a huge effect on that kind of thing
[15:29:44] <janrinok> I'll blame TheMightyBuzzard for the css then...
[15:30:01] * janrinok thinks TheMightyBuzzard doesn't do the css, but what the hell...?
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[15:32:33] <SirFinkus> I find it interesting that in any criticism of an Apple product, someone needs to devote a paragraph to how many Apple products they've owned
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[16:12:49] <everdred> I don't know, I think one's history of Apple product ownership can be telling.
[16:13:33] <SirFinkus> to some extent, but the trend seems to be nearly universal
[16:14:09] <everdred> Most of the post-Steve-return products are polarizing in the enthusiast community, given the 'expected' features they leave out.
[16:14:34] * everdred has owned only an iPod Classic :)
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[16:18:22] <everdred> The most important reason is probably that Apple's product lines are simple enough (and lack complex model numbers) that most people are generally familiar with the products, even if they don't own one.
[16:25:54] <SirFinkus> it seems more like an "i'm not an anti-apple guy" disclaimer
[16:26:07] <SirFinkus> in most of the articles I've read
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[16:33:28] <takyon> article supplement: http://kickass.to
[16:34:02] <SirFinkus> haha
[17:19:28] * kadal has never owned an apple product.
[17:24:22] * janrinok hasn't either
[17:44:53] <chromas> Spambot didn't spam this channel?
[17:46:43] <janrinok> chromas: not that I noticed
[17:47:29] <chromas> There was an AliciaBraps popped into a bunch of channels dropping a YouTube link
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[17:52:42] <takyon> submit a story about Apple Watch's supposed 1 million sales or not?
[17:52:43] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[17:52:44] <clippit> ^ 03Fancy a wristjob from Tim Cook? TOUGH, you CAN'T HAVE ONE • The Register
[17:52:46] <takyon> http://www.marketwatch.com
[17:52:47] <clippit> ^ 03Apple Watch set to beat iPhone launch with 1 million-order weekend - MarketWatch
[17:53:10] <janrinok> well it doesn't excite me, but I suspect that some will love to read it
[17:54:04] <takyon> more like bash it
[17:54:12] <chromas> what I want a wristjob
[17:54:29] <janrinok> er, you'll go blind!
[17:54:47] <chromas> or get cancer and die
[17:54:51] <takyon> $380 is one expensive wristjob
[17:55:13] <janrinok> I don't know, what do they usually charge?
[17:55:22] <takyon> depends on the location
[17:55:33] * janrinok wonders if he will fall for it - he nearly fell for it
[17:55:50] <janrinok> how do you know?
[17:55:52] <ciri> not sure
[17:56:17] <takyon> we'll have to look up that review site
[17:56:43] <takyon> the one posted on April 1st
[18:02:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google and Amazon Want to Send You a Plumber - http://sylnt.us - internet-of-toilets
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[19:11:58] <kadal> I'm surprised that IRC spambots exist.
[19:13:09] <SirFinkus> why?
[19:13:16] <SirFinkus> any retard can write one
[19:21:07] <kadal> But the audience (I assume) is more tech-savvy and less likely to click on the links.
[19:30:48] <paulej72> any regex experts hanging out?
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[20:02:23] <chromas> perhaps you can find an expert with a regex
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[20:12:48] <Cyprus> would you accept regex adept?
[20:12:58] <Cyprus> perhaps journeyman?
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[20:33:48] <paulej72> s/([0-9a-z])\?([0-9a-z])/$1'$2/gi
[20:33:55] <paulej72> Cyprus: ^
[20:34:10] <paulej72> hi mrcoolbp
[20:34:11] <ciri> hi there paulej72
[20:34:29] <mrcoolbp> hey paulej72
[20:34:48] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: did ya see me ZNC login?
[20:34:57] <paulej72> check story editor on dev, and yes
[20:35:04] <mrcoolbp> k
[20:36:30] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: looking mighty different
[20:37:02] <paulej72> cleaned up some shit and put some others in the right place
[20:37:32] <Cyprus> pauliej72: ok, what about that?
[20:38:23] <paulej72> Cyprus: what should that do. it is the admin function called fixquotes but it seems like it does not do what I think it should.
[20:38:25] <Cyprus> its a case insensitive replace all / with ' except the last one?
[20:38:36] <Cyprus> err wait
[20:38:39] <Cyprus> misread
[20:38:46] <chromas> looks like it captures letter/number pairs separated by ?
[20:38:58] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: re-code it to change all angled quotes to regular ones ; )
[20:38:59] <chromas> so x?y, 4?z etc
[20:39:00] <Cyprus> no thats a lookahead stansa
[20:39:29] <Cyprus> at least i think it is?
[20:39:45] <Cyprus> the syntax is what, perl regex?
[20:39:48] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: i think it is part of a function that TheMightyBuzzard turned off because it was causing issues
[20:39:56] <paulej72> perl regex
[20:40:10] <Cyprus> ok yeah perl regex has some differences, give me a bit
[20:40:16] <Cyprus> havent done perl in a while
[20:40:31] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: was half joking but that would be useful
[20:41:15] <paulej72> I was not joking, I was hoping that is what the fuction does, but it seems it is some sort of slash shorthnad
[20:42:09] <Cyprus> it looks like it's converting ? to ' when both sides are standard ascii alphadigit
[20:42:25] <Cyprus> seems... picky, but it would help to see the context
[20:42:28] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: I think it converts " to ' due to the way /. used to do quoting
[20:42:40] <mrcoolbp> they used to surround the body with " "
[20:42:46] <mrcoolbp> we did away with that practice
[20:43:01] <mrcoolbp> I'm guessing it converts all " to single quotes
[20:43:19] <Cyprus> i don't see how it could though
[20:43:32] <Cyprus> not that line alone
[20:43:40] <mrcoolbp> Cyprus: can you rewrite it to replace all "angled quotes" with regular straight double-quotes ?
[20:43:52] <chromas> s/´/'/g
[20:43:56] <mrcoolbp> yeah
[20:44:13] <mrcoolbp> chromas but all versions of single and double (both directions)
[20:44:22] <paulej72> got to catch ecoded forms as well
[20:44:26] <mrcoolbp> ^
[20:44:31] <Cyprus> what is \?
[20:44:36] <chromas> literal ?
[20:44:37] <Cyprus> is what im trying to look up
[20:44:42] <mrcoolbp> UTFHate
[20:44:43] <chromas> \ escapes it
[20:45:00] <Cyprus> ok but if thats the case, it sounds like this line is preprocessed or im missing something
[20:45:09] <Cyprus> since ? isn't a " or ' =)
[20:45:17] <mrcoolbp> yeah that's odd
[20:45:21] <chromas> he's trying to keep the real regex a secret
[20:45:25] <mrcoolbp> heh
[20:45:26] <paulej72> Cyprus: https://github.com
[20:45:30] <clippit> ^ 03slashcode/MySQL.pm at master · SoylentNews/slashcode · GitHub
[20:45:31] <mrcoolbp> stupid Rob Malda
[20:45:36] <Cyprus> lol that module
[20:45:36] <ciri> HEY! don't laugh at me
[20:45:44] <Cyprus> i love how half the logic is in the db module
[20:45:56] <mrcoolbp> Cyprus: welcome to slash
[20:46:05] <paulej72> # What an ugly ass method that should go away -Brian
[20:46:05] <paulej72> # It's ugly, but performs many necessary functions, and anything
[20:46:05] <paulej72> # that replaces it to perform those functions won't be any prettier
[20:46:05] <paulej72> # -- pudge
[20:46:05] <paulej72> # Putting the left-hand side of the s///'s into an array, and the
[20:46:06] <paulej72> # right-hand side into a data template, would be a slightly-
[20:46:07] <Cyprus> yeah i've been aquainted
[20:46:08] <paulej72> # prettier compromise. I'm just saying. - Jamie
[20:46:41] <chromas> for simple substitution, seems like regex is overkill
[20:46:50] <Cyprus> ok, i think thats a language artifact
[20:47:19] <Cyprus> it still doesn't look right though
[20:47:51] <Cyprus> oh
[20:48:10] * mrcoolbp waits for the opiphany
[20:48:50] <Cyprus> sorry, trying to get context
[20:48:54] <mrcoolbp> heh
[20:50:11] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: did you give up on the between-author-commnenting on story-editor?
[20:50:43] <mrcoolbp> the pretty box is there but it doesn't do anything still = (
[20:51:10] <mrcoolbp> topics are hosed on dev?
[20:52:55] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: ^
[20:53:04] <paulej72> huh
[20:53:20] <mrcoolbp> add a topic to the story I just posted at top of queue
[20:53:55] <mrcoolbp> notice nothing recently has a topic attached to it...
[20:54:17] <paulej72> works for me
[20:54:21] <mrcoolbp> hrm
[20:54:56] <paulej72> maybe not
[20:54:58] <mrcoolbp> = )
[20:56:32] <Cyprus> yeah it's looking for [alphanumeric]?[alphanumeric] and replacing the ? with '
[20:56:38] <Cyprus> afaict
[20:56:52] <mrcoolbp> Cyprus: any alphanumeric right? That's odd
[20:57:10] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: NCommander was working on topic slection and it may still be broken. I did not change anything with the topic selection when I edited this template.
[20:57:18] <Cyprus> seems like a weird thing to do in the context, but i can't see the raw data so who knows, i see futher down in the origional code that they had almost templating to a degree
[20:57:36] <Cyprus> yeah, case insensitive, and much be on either side
[20:57:59] <mrcoolbp> Cyprus: wouldn't that replace everything with ' ?
[20:58:05] <paulej72> Cyprus: but it does not match white space correct?
[20:58:19] * mrcoolbp shuts up now the big boys are talking
[20:58:23] <Cyprus> it requires a?a where a is [A-Za-z0-9]
[20:58:35] <Cyprus> that exact string
[20:58:59] <Cyprus> no whitespace will work, and while it's set greedy, they arent expansive
[20:59:08] <paulej72> that must be from some slash editor hack they were doing
[20:59:23] <Cyprus> it's an odd line unless something in the raw data was already replaced with some sillycode in prep for it
[20:59:38] <paulej72> possible
[20:59:41] <Cyprus> especially being called "fixquotes"
[21:00:03] <Cyprus> you know, if i had to guess, it was a hack around trying to avoid mysql unsafeness
[21:00:03] <mrcoolbp> again, I'm pretty sure they would have used this to replace " with '
[21:00:13] <paulej72> but the fixquotes is optional so I am not sure where the silly code orginates
[21:00:34] <Cyprus> i bet it was based on direct injection into mysql statements
[21:00:42] <Cyprus> so they didn't want ' in the string
[21:00:44] <chromas> prepared_statements++
[21:00:44] <Bender> karma - prepared_statements: 2
[21:00:50] <Cyprus> so it got replaced somewhere
[21:01:03] <Cyprus> im just guessing wildy though
[21:01:24] <Cyprus> i mean the only other use case i can think of is in a cgi url
[21:01:37] <Cyprus> but that makes no sense why you'd replace ? with ' in the middle of a url
[21:02:19] <Cyprus> yeah if they wrote their own front end editor, it could also be doing some silly code for quotes to protect cgi values
[21:02:30] <Cyprus> like a weird encoding
[21:03:14] <Cyprus> strange way to do it though...
[21:04:41] <mrcoolbp> Some web browsers, when submitting an HTML form, send incompatible characters in place of standard quote marks. On other platforms, these will appear as question marks. The Fixquotes checkbox enables a tool to correct this. If checked, when a Story is previewed, all question marks in the Intro or Extended text fields located between alphanumeric characters will be replaced by the plain ASCII
[21:04:41] <mrcoolbp> single-quote character (').
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[21:04:46] <mrcoolbp> Google-Fu ^
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[21:05:13] <Cyprus> ok, that makes sense, but then why is it matching a ?
[21:05:22] <mrcoolbp> hmm, still no idea
[21:05:35] <Cyprus> well, let me look upstream a bit
[21:05:46] <Cyprus> you have me puzzled now and im not actively working an issue
[21:07:40] <mrcoolbp> Cyprus: answer is right there " On other platforms, these will appear as question marks. "
[21:07:52] <Cyprus> but thats not how that works lol
[21:08:07] <Cyprus> thats a display issue, not that the character actually changes to a ?
[21:08:27] <Cyprus> unless he has some brain dead unicode -> ascii doing that
[21:09:09] <mrcoolbp> possible, we know how hard it was for them to get unicode right... but I have no idea what I'm talking about
[21:09:18] <mrcoolbp> here's the end of the quote from that page: "This does not affect question marks bordered by a space, as at the end of a question. "
[21:09:20] <Cyprus> you're on the right track
[21:09:30] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: topics are set but not displaying in the editor
[21:09:40] <mrcoolbp> or on main page paulej72
[21:09:41] <Cyprus> but it doesn't make much sense unless the parser flattens unicode ' into a ?
[21:10:23] <mrcoolbp> cyprus: sounds about right
[21:10:36] <Cyprus> even then, its risky as it requires characters on both sides, so im predicting that it flattens it to something more like ord notation
[21:10:43] <mrcoolbp> I don't think single-quote (apostrophe) is allowed urls char
[21:10:51] <Cyprus> which this could concieveably catch?
[21:11:09] <Cyprus> by ' i mean whatever "
[21:12:14] <mrcoolbp> Cyprus, paulej72: can we just rewrite it to do a substitution of all the angled versions to normal versions for single/double quotes? Who cares what they were trying to do, it's obviously not useful to us
[21:12:49] <Cyprus> yeah, assuming the non ascii characters make it to this point =)
[21:12:51] <paulej72> Cyprus: the char my display as a ? but its in a textbox, so when saving the story it will use the ? as the replacement of the unknown value
[21:12:53] <Cyprus> which is my current question
[21:13:07] <mrcoolbp> hrm
[21:13:29] <Cyprus> pauliej72: interesting, that's possible, but my understanding is that unless the browser is really broken it won't convert the non ascii to ascii, just show it as a ?
[21:13:38] * mrcoolbp backs away again
[21:13:43] <Cyprus> kind of like cutting and pasting formatting codes
[21:13:52] <paulej72> Cyprus: our unicode fix for the site should have eliminated the need for non ascii chars geting mangled
[21:14:00] <Cyprus> you have to bounce off of something stupid like notepad to clear that generally
[21:14:00] <mrcoolbp> sweet
[21:14:12] * mrcoolbp does that anyway = )
[21:15:42] <Cyprus> yeah thats my best guess, like i said its weird
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[21:45:20] <paulej72> I have no idea why topics are broken again
[21:50:37] * mrcoolbp blames NCommander
[21:51:22] * JamesNZ blames mrcoolbp
[21:54:00] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: NCommander fixed it the last time, probably needs fixed again after TheMightyBuzzard broke it :)
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[23:29:31] <Landon> overdue for dog pictures
[23:29:32] <Landon> http://imgur.com here's some lazy dog pictures
[23:29:33] <clippit> ^ 03Imgur
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