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[00:00:07] <n1> reporting himself for this incident gives weight to my theory
[00:00:19] <SirFinkus> I'm sure they court the controversy to some extent, but I guess the BBC is really touchy
[00:00:40] <n1> the BBC is touchy because a large section of the british press are gunning for them
[00:00:46] <n1> because of the funding situation
[00:00:59] <n1> daily mail has been anti-clarkson for fucking years and years
[00:00:59] <SirFinkus> who gives a shit about the british press though as long as the british people watch the show?
[00:01:02] <n1> day he gets suspended?
[00:01:10] <SirFinkus> yeah, I've heard of that
[00:01:17] <n1> "BBC tries to silence Clarkson"
[00:01:22] <Ethanol-fueled> Finkus, I'm a yank but I hear that the British tabloids are ruthless.
[00:01:27] <n1> when they have been lobbying for his dismissal for forever
[00:01:31] <juggs> brainless
[00:01:33] <SirFinkus> but I thought the daily mail was a rag like the national inquirer or something
[00:01:37] <Ethanol-fueled> haha
[00:01:38] <n1> im sure juggs knows what i mean
[00:01:46] <SirFinkus> stupid tabloid shit
[00:01:56] <n1> daily mail is one of the most widely circulated papers in the country
[00:02:06] <SirFinkus> and?
[00:02:08] <n1> and the ones that have bigger readership, a lot of them dont vote
[00:02:10] <SirFinkus> does that mean it's credible?
[00:02:15] <n1> maybe not
[00:02:19] <juggs> it's a fucking cess pit of utter shite rag not fit for the wiping of arses.
[00:02:20] <n1> but a lot of the population buys into it
[00:02:35] <n1> they might be full of shit, but it's a certain brand of right wing shit
[00:02:39] <n1> that the BBC doesn't do
[00:02:39] <SirFinkus> I've seen quite a few articles from the daily mail and all of them have been sensationalist bullshit
[00:02:54] <n1> oh they are
[00:03:03] <n1> there's nothing good about the daily mail
[00:03:19] <n1> but it doesn't stop it being a big influence for a notable portion of the voting public
[00:03:33] <n1> the older members of my family get it delivered to the door every day
[00:03:42] <n1> it's "the paper" to them
[00:03:54] <SirFinkus> and it isn't like the bbc is some bastion of journalistic excellence either
[00:04:09] <n1> it's not, but thats the excuse for the dailymail
[00:04:18] <n1> "the bbc is bias, so someone has to fight back against that with a different bias"
[00:05:23] <n1> it's the same as Fox News in that way i think
[00:05:30] <n1> CNN/MSNBC is bias, so fuck them, lets do this our way
[00:05:53] <n1> turn the bias upto 11 and go to the other end of the spectrum
[00:06:19] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, the big three (CNN/MSNBC/FoxNews) are classic divide/conquer bullshit...that is, they were, when they actually reported news with their own spin on it.
[00:06:34] <Ethanol-fueled> Not pop-culture bullshit.
[00:06:48] <Ethanol-fueled> what is your attitude about the BBC?
[00:07:10] <Ethanol-fueled> from an American's perspective, they are liberal. But are they legitimate?
[00:07:29] <n1> the bbc is on the way down for news
[00:07:41] <Ethanol-fueled> elaborate, please, n1...
[00:07:46] <n1> budget cuts have meant they're not doing a lot of their own reporting and investigations anymore
[00:07:56] <Ethanol-fueled> Oh, just regurgitating AP shit?
[00:08:02] <n1> you get that
[00:08:15] <n1> but it's especially obvious with business/tech stuff, and they now just reprint press releases
[00:08:29] <n1> im sure it's only become so blatant in the last year or so
[00:08:48] <n1> the problem they have with general news reporting, especially political
[00:08:56] <Ethanol-fueled> What is the problem?
[00:08:59] <n1> it's "goverment says x" ... "opposition says y"
[00:09:05] <n1> but doesnt do any fact checking on either side
[00:09:19] <Ethanol-fueled> Ah.
[00:10:57] <n1> from last year: "The BBC could make up to 600 journalists redundant in a bid to make £20million of savings over the next two years, it is claimed "
[00:11:31] <n1> i cant find actual information but i heard through my own sources about changes and cutbacks in BBC News
[00:11:47] <Ethanol-fueled> Ugh, that's terrible.
[00:12:35] <Ethanol-fueled> For all its liberal bullshit, I'd hate to see NPR/KPBS go that way.
[00:12:57] <n1> as i mentioned before, the rest of the UK press, the decidedly less liberal press
[00:13:07] <n1> have been gunning for the BBC for a long time
[00:14:38] <n1> soon we will only have Viscount Rothermere and Rupert Murdoch for our mainstream news
[00:15:10] <Ethanol-fueled> Man, that makes me sad.
[00:15:15] <n1> The Daily Telegraph has been going through some massive changes too though
[00:15:28] <n1> see the Peter Oborne stuff
[00:15:46] <Ethanol-fueled> Yanks have traditionally looked up to Brits as an influnce for style and resilience.
[00:16:06] <juggs> I don't get all the hate for BBC being left leaning - I really don't see it. Sure, individual programmes may be, but they generally give the opposing view in a follow up programme. BBC News certainly does seem to be getting dumbed down over the years and things like Panorama have been pretty much gutted. Shame really.
[00:16:16] <n1> juggs, agreed
[00:16:21] <Ethanol-fueled> What happened? Who (besides Rupe) are the fifth-columnists gutting your resolve?
[00:16:30] <n1> but the editorial department of the DailyMail ensures us of rampant left-wing bias
[00:16:43] <n1> you have to join the labour party to get a job at the BBC, they'd have you believe
[00:17:06] <crutchy> juggs, maybe its just cos the BBC seems to push the same old keynesian economic views
[00:17:15] <crutchy> which traditionally been associated with the left
[00:17:35] <SirFinkus> it isn't outrageously left leaning, but their coverage seems to be trending more towards clickbait lately
[00:17:53] <juggs> show me an economic school of thought that has actually predicted anything
[00:17:54] <crutchy> they all have clickbait. fox news is notorious for that
[00:17:59] <n1> SirFinkus, i think thats a result of their editorial policy going to shit
[00:18:41] <crutchy> juggs, https://www.youtube.com
[00:18:42] <NetCraft> ^ 03Peter Schiff was Right (2006-2007 Edition) - YouTube
[00:19:01] <n1> crutchy, i would argue none of the other mainstream press are doing anything different
[00:19:03] <chromas> NetCraft: s/P.*ff/Mel Gibson/
[00:19:03] <sedctl> <chromas> <NetCraft> ^ 03Mel Gibson was Right (2006-2007 Edition) - YouTube
[00:19:08] <SirFinkus> 5/7 of the "above the fold" stuff on the BBC site is clickbait right now
[00:19:10] <Ethanol-fueled> Economics should be based on common sense.
[00:19:13] <crutchy> ron paul also warned over and over about the impending housing crisis and bubble
[00:19:20] <Ethanol-fueled> The problem is that it is not, practically.
[00:19:34] <n1> you can warn all you like, but you cant win
[00:19:40] <crutchy> Ethanol-fueled, human reactions to certain things are very predictable though
[00:19:43] <n1> warn and the inevitable happens "no one could have seen it coming."
[00:19:57] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, most humans are idiots and the rest profit from that.
[00:19:59] <crutchy> peter schiff has been raking it in from his predictions
[00:20:01] <SirFinkus> I'm waiting for the current tech bubble to pop
[00:20:08] <n1> i've predicted shit fairly accurately, i have some waiting on this year
[00:20:18] <n1> but my opinion doesn't count for shit
[00:20:24] <n1> so, i only get the sense of knowing i was right
[00:20:29] <n1> and everyone else going "who knew?!"
[00:20:50] <juggs> I think BBC is really going to hit a funding crisis when the baby boomer coffin dodgers shuffle off the coil. They will have to amend the TV license requirement to something other than "only if you watch / record at the same time as broadcast" that is currently in place. Everyone timeshifts and uses catch up these days. When that discussion / change happens is when sparks will fly and their future will ultimately be decided I think.
[00:20:56] <Ethanol-fueled> Yours and mine, n1. I don't touch any speculation, on its face it's gambling and deeper down it's economic voodoo.
[00:21:02] <crutchy> if you fix interest rates at near-zero, you can be sure that corporations and governments will borrow till they can't borrow no more
[00:21:04] <n1> most people are way too invested in the way things are to want to change it in any meaningful way
[00:21:32] <SirFinkus> all these high-profile tech company deals seem ludicrous
[00:21:33] <n1> and our goverment, supposed to be responsible and conservative for the most part
[00:21:39] <Ethanol-fueled> My exit strategy is converting a portion of my savings to a currency I know will be stable and then fleeing to a region I can enjoy it.
[00:21:48] <juggs> good luck
[00:21:50] <n1> is keeping everything at bay by promising interest rates are going to be stuck at near 0 for a little while yet
[00:21:55] <Ethanol-fueled> and even repeating that years later.
[00:21:58] <crutchy> and then when the shit hits the fan (like in 2007) you had 'too big to fail' banks go bust
[00:22:15] <crutchy> it was very predictable
[00:22:19] <n1> yup
[00:22:19] <crutchy> and it was predicted
[00:22:23] <n1> and it's very predictable again
[00:22:37] <n1> because not one fucking thing changed
[00:22:39] <crutchy> the government's debt collapse is predictable too
[00:22:52] <crutchy> the only thing that's not predictable is the exact date
[00:23:01] <n1> at least in the UK we decided to double down on all the shit that caused the first crisis
[00:23:02] <SirFinkus> sounds like prime time for another war!
[00:23:14] <SirFinkus> what could possibly go wrong
[00:23:17] <chromas> we should in vade texas
[00:23:30] <chromas> or florida
[00:23:41] <chromas> s/ //3
[00:23:45] <n1> i thought you said invade taxes then
[00:23:56] <Ethanol-fueled> chromas, for all its huffing and puffing, Texas is a NSA-loving authoritarian police-state moreso than many others.
[00:24:01] <crutchy> keynesians think wars solve economic problems. the whole 'new deal' theory (that actually prolonged the great depression)
[00:24:13] <Ethanol-fueled> Don't buy into Texas' bullshit, it's the state that spawned the Bushes.
[00:24:14] <SirFinkus> I think the current target is Iran, and Russia to an extent
[00:24:20] <n1> crutchy, wars solve the economic problems
[00:24:21] <SirFinkus> Iran is easier to bully though
[00:24:23] <n1> for the people who matter
[00:24:23] <juggs> economists cause me depression :D
[00:24:25] <n1> maybe not the rest of us
[00:24:31] <crutchy> n1, true that
[00:25:00] <Ethanol-fueled> Iran is one of the few points where I agree with Grand Exalted Emperor Baraq Hussein Sotero.
[00:25:27] <crutchy> iran is just trying to defend itself from an empire that refuses to leave it the fuck alone
[00:25:30] <Ethanol-fueled> We have fifth-columnists in our congress who want to see Iran attacked by Israel.
[00:25:36] <n1> juggs, i found an issue of Private Eye from 1997, when Labour first got in.. the cover image was Blair at no10 and the speech bubbles went Sheri: "How do you feel?" Tony: "Sorry, you'll have to ask Peter Mandleson"
[00:25:43] <Ethanol-fueled> agreed, crutchy.
[00:25:59] <n1> how well that told of what the next decade or so of the labour government would go like
[00:26:06] <n1> before they'd even got in the door of no10
[00:26:37] <SirFinkus> well, I'm sure we'll be at war with Iran within the decade
[00:26:48] <crutchy> prolly
[00:26:59] <juggs> by proxy perhaps, I doubt directly
[00:27:03] <Ethanol-fueled> Finkus...according to Bush II's "Axis of evil" plan, you may be right.
[00:27:04] <crutchy> that too
[00:27:05] <n1> well, maybe a decade the Iraq/Syria/ISIL situation will have calmed down
[00:27:09] <n1> so we can then continue on with Iran
[00:27:19] <n1> as i'm sure by then they'll be "3 months away from a nuclear weapon"
[00:27:27] <SirFinkus> the discussion has gone from "what should we do with Iran" to "Should we invade Iran" in the past year or two
[00:27:32] <crutchy> russia is unpredictable though
[00:27:33] <Ethanol-fueled> The problem America has is hubris....and the fucking of its economy.
[00:27:34] <n1> as they have been since 1998 or whenever it was they first were 3 months away
[00:28:00] <n1> SirFinkus, my perception of the american media has been similar to that
[00:28:09] <Ethanol-fueled> n1, Bibi has been proven wrong by his own agencies with the infamous "red line" discussion.
[00:28:10] <n1> but more "once we're done with iraq and afghanistan, we can finally deal with iran"
[00:28:11] <crutchy> they're like a sleeping giant that seems to let the world go by but whenever it wants it just lashes out
[00:28:34] <crutchy> the political comments described russia pretty well
[00:28:43] <Ethanol-fueled> Warmongers must be sacked and tried for being fifth-columnists.
[00:28:49] <crutchy> a big scary bear that you don't fuck with
[00:28:56] <Ethanol-fueled> American warmongers fucked this place up.
[00:29:00] <n1> russia doesn't think it should be a second tier country
[00:29:17] <juggs> n1, heh, we can just overthrow whoever is in power there and replace them with $leader_of_choice until they then also go "rogue" - been happening since the '70s at least... why change
[00:29:21] <n1> it wants to box with the big boys, and it plays the game like it, and you can't argue with them defending their national interests
[00:29:26] <SirFinkus> I don't really see the massive threat from Iran anyway, even if they do get nukes, we could level the entire country with little effort
[00:29:32] <n1> even if they from our perspective negatively affect the national interests of other countries
[00:29:43] <SirFinkus> while they might be able to smuggle one over to the US
[00:29:44] <Ethanol-fueled> Russia didn't want to be fucked with. What America's problem is that is has a bunch of old fools in power, fools who must be sacked.
[00:30:01] <SirFinkus> I don't think they have ICBMs capable of reaching us
[00:30:05] <n1> there isn't a massive threat from Iran
[00:30:08] <n1> but thats not the point
[00:30:10] <SirFinkus> if they do, it's probably old slavshit
[00:30:15] <n1> it's revenge and economics
[00:30:16] <n1> not security
[00:30:28] <crutchy> SirFinkus, google 'RD-180 rocket' and you might realize just how much missile tech they have
[00:30:29] <SirFinkus> that's just as likely to blow up on the launchpad
[00:30:35] <crutchy> they also routine launch payloads to the ISS
[00:30:55] <Ethanol-fueled> n1, the timer is ticking. And the mistake that the Anglosphere made was further enriching its rich instead of ensuring a healthy middle-class.
[00:31:32] <Ethanol-fueled> Ensuring a decent standard of living
[00:31:49] <n1> by other middle east standards, iran apparently doesn't do that badly
[00:32:59] <SirFinkus> I acknowledge I may be wrong crutchy, but it still seems like the threat they pose to the US is overstated
[00:33:17] <SirFinkus> the media acts like it's the fucking Axis during ww2 or something
[00:33:24] <SirFinkus> they're going to be storming our beaches!
[00:33:28] <Ethanol-fueled> America appears more divided than ever.
[00:33:32] <n1> Iran is just doing what any sensible country would do
[00:33:46] <n1> they have unfriendly states nearby, and if they're watching the american media
[00:33:53] <n1> they should be scared of invasion
[00:34:01] <crutchy> SirFinkus, the russian military is smarter than the american military. that should be threat enough
[00:34:07] <Ethanol-fueled> Any significant action against another nation would result in further instability.
[00:34:20] <SirFinkus> talking about Iran crutchy
[00:34:27] <crutchy> oh
[00:34:35] <SirFinkus> Russia worries me a little
[00:34:40] <n1> iran hasnt pushed it's borders, and if there was good evidence of them doing serious ops in foreign countries
[00:34:42] <crutchy> yeah iran is just a little guy really. i dunno why they keep getting picked on
[00:34:47] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, the russian military sucks. But the American military would think twice about yet another foreign war.
[00:34:48] <n1> i'm pretty sure we'd know about them doing that shit
[00:35:10] <SirFinkus> I don't think Russia has the capability to take us over, but they can certainly fuck shit up
[00:35:23] <n1> i dont think russia is trying to take over the US
[00:35:27] <Ethanol-fueled> Finkus, then Russia invokes the whole "nuke"
[00:35:31] <n1> they dont want the US to take over their former soviet states
[00:35:34] <SirFinkus> nor do I, hypothetically speaking
[00:35:40] <crutchy> Ethanol-fueled, that's the mistake your pentagon keeps making; underestimating your adversaries
[00:36:07] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, that and that a lot of old crazy fools keep making the decisions.
[00:36:10] <SirFinkus> I don't think Russia would actually use nukes, it isn't worth it in their situation
[00:36:23] <crutchy> they might use tactical nukes though
[00:36:31] <SirFinkus> use a nuke == instant international condemnation
[00:36:39] <n1> so much of this is based on our enemies being suicidal, but they dont appear to be from what history shows us
[00:36:49] <n1> they want to retain their power, not go out in a nuclear blast
[00:36:51] <SirFinkus> while they can get away with their dicking around in Ukraine rather easily
[00:36:58] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, because they are concerned with the sanity of the AMerican decision-makers. Batshit insane crypto-Christians with revelation in their minds.
[00:37:29] <Ethanol-fueled> Jewish fifth-columinsts who can control some degree of American foreign policy.
[00:37:33] <SirFinkus> Iran might actually use a nuke if they have it, because religion and all that, although they're far more likely just to use it as a bargaining chip
[00:37:38] <SirFinkus> if they have any brains
[00:37:46] <Ethanol-fueled> Finkus, you are full of shit.
[00:37:55] <SirFinkus> oh?
[00:37:59] <n1> thats exactly what i was just saying
[00:38:01] <SirFinkus> elaborate
[00:38:03] <n1> "so much of this is based on our enemies being suicidal,"
[00:38:20] <juggs> Iran isn't about to start lobbing nukes abiut even if they build them. They're not suicidal.
[00:38:21] <crutchy> americans have (to the rest of the world) always had this "americans are more awesome than everyone else" mentality
[00:39:28] <crutchy> the US military goes around the world thinking everyone's gunna think like they do (that america is awesome) and when they're met by hostility they're dumbfounded as to why, so the hostiles must be turrists!
[00:39:35] <Ethanol-fueled> Well, crutchy, we are. But we have a lot of crazy fuckers in charge. ANd that should scare the shit out of not only us, but our allies.
[00:40:03] <crutchy> most of the rest of the world doesn't give a fuck what america thinks
[00:40:29] <juggs> Until the printing presses stop EF.
[00:40:44] <Ethanol-fueled> Aw, shit, juggs is gonna ban me again.
[00:40:54] <juggs> why?
[00:41:03] <Ethanol-fueled> It was a joke, dude.
[00:41:07] <SirFinkus> you're a 5th columnist juggs
[00:41:13] <crutchy> US allies aren't too worried. we already trade directly with china here (no US dollars)
[00:41:31] <crutchy> so if your currency collapses it won't hurt us that bad
[00:41:47] <n1> see that business the other day with the US being annoyed at the UK over China?
[00:41:49] <juggs> SirFinkus, I may be a closet Jew too... who knows!!
[00:42:37] <chromas> well you do have ein gold start on soylent
[00:42:47] <crutchy> lol
[00:42:48] <ciri> HEHEHEHE
[00:42:53] <crutchy> chromas++ # touche
[00:42:53] <Bender> karma - chromas: 76
[00:42:54] <juggs> crutchy, you guys are fine whatever - you have plenty of stuff to dig up and sell
[00:43:00] <SirFinkus> it's ironic, the people who don't donate should get the gold stars
[00:43:15] <juggs> chromas, different style of star
[00:43:28] <chromas> it's missing a point; it's a crip
[00:43:38] <Ethanol-fueled> The problem is not china, it's everywhere else we're invading and destroying.
[00:43:42] <crutchy> juggs, the biggest problem facing britain is the ties with the euro
[00:43:46] <crutchy> the euro is poison
[00:43:57] <juggs> GBP is not tied to EUR
[00:44:14] <Ethanol-fueled> And that AMerica is spending money doing it rather than fixing their own society.
[00:44:23] <crutchy> wasn't there some shit about britain being part of the euro?
[00:44:29] <n1> no
[00:44:30] <crutchy> gave rise to UKIP
[00:44:47] <n1> UK is in the EU
[00:44:53] <n1> but does not have the EURO
[00:44:57] <juggs> long time ago - we said hell no on the euro.
[00:45:04] <Ethanol-fueled> Nigel made many great comments recently about needlessly provoking Russia when there are domestic issues to be solved.
[00:45:20] <crutchy> nigel_farrige++ # sp?
[00:45:20] <Bender> karma - nigel_farrige: 1
[00:45:24] <Ethanol-fueled> actually not. I just made that up.
[00:45:28] <Ethanol-fueled> nigel_farrage++
[00:45:28] <Bender> karma - nigel_farrage: 1
[00:45:32] <n1> lol
[00:45:43] <Ethanol-fueled> I agree with everything the fucker says.
[00:45:50] <Ethanol-fueled> and Marie le Pen as well.
[00:45:58] <n1> most of the time he's just saying sorry for other UK party members
[00:46:01] <n1> UKIP*
[00:46:04] <crutchy> i love how nigel openly hangs shit on the euro bosses
[00:46:07] <SirFinkus> including the things he doesn't say apparently
[00:46:07] <crutchy> gets fined for it
[00:46:09] <juggs> Let's just call UKIP the BNP in a new skin and be done.
[00:46:13] <crutchy> funny to watch
[00:46:46] <Ethanol-fueled> Sometimes people make sense, even if everybody else you listen to tells you not to listen to them.
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[00:47:29] <n1> he makes sense and has valid points sometimes, but that doesn't mean UKIP has a chance of actually making their 1950's UK a reality
[00:47:52] <crutchy> juggs, i dunno much about british politics but it seems like UKIP is at least representing britain
[00:47:58] <n1> much the same as what Dave Cameron had pledged regarding EU renegotiations, wasn't actually possible
[00:48:05] <Ethanol-fueled> American comedian George Carlin was the ultimate enlightened being, and he paid the ultimate price for being an honest man in a dishonest world.
[00:48:07] <juggs> You can't live on a tiny island nation and be inward looking, that's fucking retarded.
[00:48:11] <n1> which is exactly what David Cameron said when the Labour party promised those same things
[00:48:15] <crutchy> actually even though he's a lefty, i like george galloway too
[00:48:30] <crutchy> the way he fuckin pwned US congress in '06 or whenever it was
[00:48:53] <n1> George Galloway, the man who makes more money from the Iranian Press TV than his job as a UK MP
[00:49:00] <n1> which is fine, but it's weird at the same time
[00:49:05] <crutchy> libertarians are sorta in the middle between lefties and righties
[00:49:14] <crutchy> iranians prolly listen to him
[00:49:23] <Ethanol-fueled> n1, is Iran a threat to world peace? No? Then who are those telling us they are?
[00:49:30] <crutchy> he makes more sense than all the western media bullshit
[00:49:32] <n1> i dont have a problem with him at all
[00:49:43] <n1> but that is why he wont ever be credible in the mainstream
[00:49:43] <juggs> define lefties and righties crutchy - they sure seem to move around a lot
[00:49:54] <n1> he burned his bridges with middle england
[00:50:29] <crutchy> lefties tend to like big government and welfare (more socialistic) and righties tend to me more conservative and interventionist
[00:50:41] <n1> and everyone likes to generalize
[00:50:48] <juggs> indeed
[00:51:14] <crutchy> libertarians are generally anti war and socially liberal (a leftie thing) but economically conservative (a righty thing)
[00:51:18] <juggs> first past the post really is a bad set up
[00:51:31] <n1> my dad identifies as a socialist, but isnt one, thats just what his upbringing taught him to believe his liberal outlook was
[00:52:12] <n1> juggs, i agree
[00:52:24] <crutchy> prolly similar to how a lot of people think wall st is symbolic of capitalism, even though it couldn't be further from the truth
[00:52:34] <n1> but that debate was clouded by "if it's not first past the post it's the AV where everyone gets a million votes and nothing means anything anymore!"
[00:52:41] <Ethanol-fueled> true capitalism is a true free market.
[00:52:48] <crutchy> yup
[00:52:50] <Ethanol-fueled> No stifling competition through legislation.
[00:52:56] <n1> rather than just going for what would, i think be obvious, and go for proportional representation
[00:53:01] <n1> but that would actually change things
[00:53:02] <crutchy> no patents, no licenses, no bailouts
[00:53:30] <Ethanol-fueled> n1, rather than changing proportionality, I would emphasize an informed populace.
[00:53:55] <crutchy> Ethanol-fueled, i agree
[00:54:03] <n1> i like the free market theory, but as someone who works in a heavily regulated market
[00:54:08] <n1> damn does it feel free sometimes
[00:54:11] <n1> because anything goes
[00:54:15] <n1> and the chances are you wont get caught
[00:54:19] <n1> just wind up the business and move on
[00:54:37] <crutchy> n1, free markets are pretty rare now
[00:54:50] <crutchy> you can find them at local levels (farmers markets)
[00:55:06] <BadCoderFinger> Economically, the US is a corporate plutarchy.
[00:55:09] <n1> crutchy, my point was in a heavily regulated market, there is still a lot of room for fucking over everyone involved
[00:55:13] <juggs> n1, the referendum on first past and AV here was a complete fuck over. It was a deliberately castrated referendum that could only have one outcome. So we don't get to vote on it again for another century or so because "we already had a vote on that". Utter miscarriage.
[00:55:18] <n1> and it's ok when you learn "well that guy was bad, wont give him my money again"
[00:55:23] <n1> until you give it to the next guy who is also bad
[00:55:34] <crutchy> n1, that's kinda the point. regulation isn't the solution
[00:55:37] <n1> and on we go, because snake oil salesmen are really fucking good at lying and decieving
[00:55:51] <n1> agreed
[00:55:58] <n1> but a totally free market wont make that situation any different
[00:56:04] <n1> there's even less risk
[00:56:28] <crutchy> its not that a free market will prevent fraud (it won't) but regulating fraud in a way that hurts competition is even worse
[00:56:43] <n1> agreed
[00:56:49] <crutchy> competition is the only leveler
[00:57:14] <n1> my conclusion is i have no solution, as a liberal leaning person who believes in the welfare state but is also self-employed and has never claimed from that welfare state
[00:57:29] <crutchy> for example, even american super-corporations like google and microsoft wouldn't stand a chance if they lost trade protections from the US government
[00:57:35] <n1> but i have received more support than i can say from people who have benefited from that system
[00:57:45] <n1> far more generous that the people i know who 'did it all themselves'
[00:57:47] <crutchy> the chinese would come in and gobble up their markets almost overnight
[00:58:09] <n1> agreed, crutchy
[00:58:25] <crutchy> yeah in countries where politicians are corrupt and influence can be easily bought, nice guys always finish last
[00:58:30] <n1> the people who claim 'free markets' are about as free market as the countries that have 'democratic' in the name
[00:58:36] <crutchy> but that's the fault of the politicians, not the free market
[00:58:47] * juggs engages observe mode.
[00:58:47] <crutchy> haha yea
[00:59:17] <Ethanol-fueled> the problem is that money corrupts people. And people who think they need more money and power after their first million are people who should be executed.
[00:59:27] <crutchy> free markets aren't impervious to the corruption of government
[00:59:30] <Ethanol-fueled> by the IRON MAIDEN.
[00:59:55] <n1> if we did somehow create a free market, i dont see how it would be kept free
[01:00:05] <crutchy> Ethanol-fueled, it's the responsibility of the people to vote for representatives that aren't douchebags... hence where your informed thingy comes in
[01:00:24] <crutchy> people need to stop voting for douchebags that are proven liars
[01:00:25] <n1> the first person to compete the best and gain a larger proportion than anyoen else will no doubt follow what ef just said
[01:00:46] <n1> crutchy, we get a new liar every 4-8 years though!
[01:00:48] <crutchy> rather than buying election promises, people need to look at the voting records of their candidates
[01:01:06] <BadCoderFinger> crutchy: Nobody but douchebags and proven liars run for US offices!
[01:01:11] <n1> on the voting situation, i've mostly concluded people really vote against the other guy
[01:01:16] <n1> not actually for the person they're voting for
[01:01:25] <crutchy> prolly. its a pity though
[01:01:39] <n1> and i have been told "vote for the person who's closest to your views"
[01:01:40] <BadCoderFinger> I vote third party, when there's a third party option.
[01:01:46] <n1> according to the public statements and manifestos
[01:01:50] <n1> not track record or reality
[01:01:55] <crutchy> that's why i liked ron paul. even if you dont agree with all his policies. he was consistent and honest
[01:02:10] <n1> just the guy who says the right things for you, he's the one to vote for, as long as you agree with something
[01:02:15] <crutchy> and his voting record in congress reflected his rhetoric
[01:02:24] <n1> agreed on ron paul
[01:03:42] <crutchy> i like some democratic policies, but obama was a proven fucking liar well before the 2012 election
[01:03:55] <crutchy> and george bush, well we all know about him
[01:04:06] <n1> this is why an independent media would be nice
[01:04:19] <n1> but once you start having to fund it, people with money start getting influence over it
[01:04:25] <Ethanol-fueled> The only thing I like about Obama is that he (at least publicly appears to) stand up to Israel.
[01:04:27] <BadCoderFinger> crutchy: Yeah, I voted Green Party in 2012
[01:04:41] <n1> Ethanol-fueled, that has shocked me
[01:04:45] <crutchy> Ethanol-fueled, i agree with that too
[01:04:48] * Ethanol-fueled voted for gary Johnson last election
[01:05:13] <crutchy> the kkeynesian bullshit has to stop though
[01:05:38] <crutchy> spending the livelihoods of far off future generations = bad
[01:05:45] <n1> who is standing for election on that platform though?
[01:05:49] <n1> in any damn country
[01:05:58] <crutchy> its a libertarian policy
[01:06:07] <n1> and actually standing for it, not just talking about 'reforming' it
[01:06:14] <crutchy> rand paul might be closest thing (with any chance) in the US
[01:06:50] <crutchy> ron paul ran on cutting US government spending by a trillion dollars in the first year, and i reckon he would have done it too. by veto
[01:06:58] <crutchy> congress would have had a fit
[01:07:01] <n1> i really dont like things being taken down to these simple definitions, socialist, conservative, libertarian... peoples opinions are often far more nuanced and complicated than those broad definitions allow
[01:07:30] <SirFinkus> hell of a lot better than democrat and republican
[01:07:31] <Ethanol-fueled> Rand might be what Obama was....Hope and change.
[01:07:34] <crutchy> reducing spending is something everyone talks about, but its a defined libertarian policy
[01:07:54] <crutchy> rand's biggest challenge is getting through republican primary
[01:08:05] <crutchy> if he becomes their candidate, he's a shoein
[01:08:17] <Ethanol-fueled> The question is, is Rand a fifth-columnist, or is he somebody pretending to be mainstream so he can make a difference?
[01:08:19] <crutchy> hillary is more of a conservative than rand is
[01:08:24] <n1> Ethanol-fueled, thats my fear
[01:08:35] <n1> but i would take rand paul over h.clinton any day
[01:08:50] <n1> or jeb bush, if he's still planning on going for it
[01:09:01] <crutchy> Ethanol-fueled, one thing you have going with him is that if he cheated his way to office his old man would have his ass
[01:09:16] <crutchy> rand would have to answer to his texan dad
[01:09:17] <Ethanol-fueled> n1, the American election will be establishment stooges. Hillary vs Rubio or some shit.
[01:09:36] <n1> if jeb bush or clinton got to be president, i think that would be the final nail in the coffin for my political engagement i think
[01:09:51] <Ethanol-fueled> All bought-off fucks with some manufactured drama to convince you they're real.
[01:10:05] <Ethanol-fueled> n1, I agree with you.
[01:10:54] <n1> thats what got me about the whole obama birth thing, which could have been manufactured for distraction purposes
[01:11:05] <n1> do the american population really think people luck their way into being president?
[01:11:30] <Ethanol-fueled> n1, the American population are stupid.
[01:11:33] <n1> the dems couldn't find one african-american marxist who wasn't born in africa to be their puppet?!
[01:11:41] <n1> i mean really..
[01:11:42] <paulej72> relly fucking stupid
[01:11:59] <n1> if you're going to buy that whole line about him being a marxist destined to destroy america
[01:12:06] <n1> im pretty sure there are plenty of home grown candidates
[01:12:15] <Ethanol-fueled> n1, paulej72, typical americans will follow the drums of war straight into war.
[01:12:21] <BadCoderFinger> For the most part, they're not stupid. They're distracted easily. Panem et circenses.
[01:12:25] <Ethanol-fueled> They're fucking idiots.
[01:12:40] <n1> BadCoderFinger, sadly if you're distracted that easily
[01:12:44] <n1> you're not so smart
[01:12:53] <BadCoderFinger> Oh, I didn't say smart.
[01:12:54] <n1> by you i mean them/us/whoever
[01:13:13] <paulej72> what most americans don’t realize is both parties will screw with everyone just to be in power
[01:13:23] <BadCoderFinger> They want a team to be a part of. And that's what the classic false dichotomy of Democrats versus Republicans offer.
[01:13:47] <n1> agree with both of you
[01:13:49] <BadCoderFinger> paulej72: s/screw with/screw/
[01:13:49] <sedctl> <BadCoderFinger> <paulej72> what most americans don’t realize is both parties will screw everyone just to be in power
[01:14:31] <paulej72> same difference
[01:14:31] <BadCoderFinger> Heh
[01:14:34] <n1> you'd think, if they're as smart as they're supposed to be
[01:14:48] <n1> they'd have figured out they can just take turns, and everyone wins and gets the power and money
[01:15:06] <n1> sure they can fight, but as long as it's a fight between them
[01:15:09] <n1> not some new guys
[01:15:29] <BadCoderFinger> I'm at the point where we enter everyone over 18 and pick randomly.
[01:15:42] <Ethanol-fueled> There's gonna be a fight.
[01:15:54] <n1> would be more representative of the population i'd say, BadCoderFinger
[01:15:55] <Ethanol-fueled> The question is, who's gonna fight it?
[01:16:02] <juggs> politics, economics, the middle east, panem et circenses. where else but in #soylent on the weekend. All we need now is some diatribes about the war on drugs and Ross Kemp will pop out of nowhere to interview the gangs of SoylentNews - Murder Capital of the World.
[01:16:16] <juggs> :D
[01:16:17] <n1> ahhh ross kemp on gangs!
[01:16:21] <BadCoderFinger> juggs++
[01:16:21] <Bender> karma - juggs: 62
[01:16:24] <BadCoderFinger> Heh!
[01:16:29] <SirFinkus> war on drugs is bullshit, discuss
[01:16:33] <n1> lol
[01:16:33] <ciri> HEY! don't laugh at me
[01:16:51] <SirFinkus> really should start a war on ciri
[01:17:02] <n1> i have my own personal war on ciri
[01:17:06] <Ethanol-fueled> that's pretty hard to ascertain with stories about cops jacking off.
[01:18:04] <n1> ciri gives somewhere for me to direct my usually directionless rage
[01:18:11] <juggs> I read the cop in question is playing the disability card now. Trauma on the job or something.
[01:18:30] <paulej72> juggs you missed some brown granny rule 34 porn earlier
[01:18:32] <SirFinkus> nothing wrong with having a pump at work
[01:18:44] <Ethanol-fueled> pauley, are you a German or something?
[01:18:44] <n1> so are we going a long way around to the 'unfair dismissal and $2mil compensation'?
[01:18:45] <BadCoderFinger> Good grief. If that's successful, they'll have to implement wacking shacks on the premises.
[01:18:55] <n1> but first we got the 'wow a cop got fired'
[01:19:05] <SirFinkus> I mean, honestly, we've all done it
[01:19:07] <SirFinkus> ...right?
[01:19:15] <paulej72> about 1/2 polish
[01:20:17] <paulej72> my mon’s family was from germany, but they were polish more than german
[01:20:30] * n1 is going to start the war on tobacco and burn it down
[01:20:39] <BadCoderFinger> "Come in, officer Fred. What's your current activity?" "Erm, waxing my car?"
[01:20:52] <paulej72> just don’t burn the e cig factories
[01:21:06] * chromas passes the shaft wax
[01:21:22] <n1> thats what the EU has done that i'm pissed about actually, banning flavoured tobacco
[01:22:10] <SirFinkus> banned in the use too, except menthol
[01:22:29] <n1> i think it's actually been banned in the UK for a while
[01:22:35] <n1> or there's just 0 demand
[01:22:39] <paulej72> not for e cigs though
[01:22:45] <n1> but an EU wide ban is coming in next year
[01:22:56] <n1> not sure if methols are going to be banned too
[01:23:05] <juggs> menthol faces ban in the UK - attracts the kids apparently
[01:23:31] <n1> im guessing menthol will go with the new EU rules next year
[01:23:33] <SirFinkus> speaking of
[01:23:34] <SirFinkus> http://nationalreport.net
[01:23:34] <NetCraft> ^ 03Study Finds Direct Correlation Between Menthol Cigarettes and Gang Violence | National Report
[01:23:37] <n1> if it's 'facing a ban in the uk'
[01:23:50] <n1> so a uk gov can get credit for banning it a week before the EU rules kick in
[01:24:02] <paulej72> don’t know why menthol flavor would cover up the shit they put in cigs now of days
[01:24:11] <BadCoderFinger> Wait, gangs used to fight over colors. Now it's menthol vs. non-menthol?
[01:24:14] <n1> "a ban on flavoured cigarettes, such as menthol, fruit and vanilla"
[01:24:32] <chromas> no, it's just that colors prefer menthol flavor
[01:24:35] <paulej72> what about cigars
[01:24:41] <n1> oh and one thing that will only affect the UK probably
[01:24:42] <juggs> n1, I lose track, I last heard about it the last time the "plain packaging" hype was doing the rounds. I note all shops now hide the cigs behind shutters.
[01:24:45] <n1> they're banning 10 packs of cigarettes
[01:24:56] <n1> 20's only with these new rules
[01:25:15] <juggs> that'll be effective
[01:25:22] <paulej72> ??????
[01:25:37] <n1> yeah, it's a pain in the ass
[01:25:38] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[01:25:39] <NetCraft> ^ 03Havin' A Roni - YouTube
[01:25:42] <n1> because you dont know what they have in stock
[01:25:44] <paulej72> they make a pack of cigs with only 10 cigs in the uk?
[01:25:49] <n1> and you cant point to them when they're looking in the wrong place
[01:25:53] <n1> paulej72, indeed they do
[01:26:02] <n1> when i was 15 that was all i could afford!
[01:26:09] <paulej72> all 20s this side of the pond
[01:26:14] <juggs> paulej72, our leaders imagine that people are so dumb that they will not think to buy a 20 pack half as often as a 10 pack.
[01:26:17] <n1> ive never been to another country that seels 10's
[01:26:19] <n1> sells*
[01:26:25] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahaha
[01:26:30] <n1> i remember trying to buy 10 in greece once and got a confused look
[01:26:52] <n1> we now get to buy rolling tobacco in 9g pouches too
[01:26:58] <paulej72> my dat would have need 4 or 5 of thoes packs per day
[01:27:06] <n1> because 12.5g was pushing £5
[01:27:10] <paulej72> s/t/d/
[01:27:10] <sedctl> <paulej72> my dad would have need 4 or 5 of thoes packs per day
[01:27:14] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[01:27:18] <juggs> Germany frequently sells 17s and 18s packs. That's more a pricing thing though.
[01:27:28] <n1> only way to get it cheaper was to start selling 9g pouches
[01:27:28] <SirFinkus> I've bought precisely one pack of cigarettes in my life
[01:27:28] <Ethanol-fueled> Havin a RONI
[01:27:34] <n1> juggs, like 14's in pubs here?
[01:27:43] <paulej72> juggs: that is just to fuck the consumer
[01:27:53] <juggs> we still have pubs n1?
[01:28:03] <n1> i see them, but i cant afford to go inside anymore
[01:28:06] <Ethanol-fueled> Bleating horns are awesome
[01:28:07] <n1> not at £4 a pint.
[01:28:13] <paulej72> they do the same with food here. same great price smaller package.
[01:28:29] <n1> last time i was in BK, was talking to a friend in the US on my phone
[01:28:32] <paulej72> 1/2 galaon of icecream is now 1.25 quarts
[01:28:38] <n1> took a screenshot of what my 'regular bk meal' was like
[01:28:49] <n1> it's the size of a kids meal in a US BK
[01:29:01] <n1> bk/burger king
[01:29:23] <n1> and it naturally cost me 50% more for 50% less food and drink
[01:29:27] <juggs> Pack is the same size - just less cigs in it. Mayfair do 19s here in the UK. I guess they don't change the pack size to save re-tooling the cig machines.
[01:29:52] <n1> ive not seen the 19's
[01:29:57] <paulej72> what do they do put blanks in the package
[01:30:02] <n1> i remember 25's in australia, that was weird
[01:30:17] <paulej72> bonus smokes
[01:30:30] <juggs> The you haven't bought Mayfair in the last 3 years n1 - been doing that for a while.
[01:30:42] <paulej72> I second hand smoked for 20 years
[01:30:52] <n1> moved on from the mayfairs once i left school :p
[01:30:56] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[01:30:56] <NetCraft> ^* 03Havin' A Roni - YouTube
[01:31:39] <n1> as soon as B&H brought out their silver rolling tobacco, thats been my preference
[01:32:57] <n1> not that many places sell the damn stuff
[01:32:58] <juggs> I don't think mayfair existed when I was at school.
[01:33:31] <n1> hah
[01:33:33] <n1> " Gallaher launched Mayfair in 1992, with the slogan "A good smoke at a fair price". "
[01:33:48] <n1> the good ol' days
[01:34:13] <juggs> Yah - I was not at school come 1992, nor smoking regularly
[01:35:00] <n1> didnt start smoking till later, or just phases?
[01:36:54] <n1> most people that i'm aware of started smoking in school or very soon after
[01:37:20] <paulej72> I was third hand smoking in the womb
[01:37:59] <n1> guessing you never actually took it up?
[01:38:33] <paulej72> no, as I figured I would be hooked right away.
[01:38:41] <n1> i remember when i was much younger really hating it, because of my dads smoking, but eventually i turned to the dark side in my early teens
[01:39:05] <paulej72> I can feel the hit from the niccotine just from beeing by some one who is smoking
[01:39:11] <n1> however i am lucky, that i dont really crave it, i quit whenever i want to
[01:39:53] <n1> but obviously there is something there, i just enjoy it
[01:40:10] <n1> but if i quit today, i wont get any cravings for it at all
[01:40:21] <n1> paulej72, that must be unpleasant
[01:42:37] <n1> even one time halfway through a cigarette, i decided it was enough, wasn't enjoying it and quit there and then for a year or so.
[01:45:47] <crutchy> juggs, we need an argument to erupt about systemd
[01:46:11] <crutchy> systemd++ # ;->
[01:46:11] <Bender> karma - systemd: -18
[01:46:32] <chromas> systemd++ # obama supports it
[01:46:32] <Bender> karma - systemd: -17
[01:46:34] <n1> do an "Ask Soylent: systemd Good or Bad?"
[01:46:53] <paulej72> or Ulgy
[01:46:57] <crutchy> have we already done that?
[01:47:03] <n1> dont think so
[01:47:15] <crutchy> maybe a poll
[01:47:26] <SirFinkus> a more vague question might be better, "which init system should I use?"
[01:47:26] <n1> probably be the most commented on poll, if we did do one
[01:47:39] <SirFinkus> then you get BSD people and others joining in
[01:48:06] <chromas> linux sucks. everyone's using it now; it's too mainstream
[01:48:10] <chromas> /hipster
[01:48:37] <crutchy> best thing since sliced bread, LP is my hero, it's ok, meh, fuck systemd!, LP should diaf!, wtf is systemd?, epoch ftw!, who gives a shit?, yo mama is a vibrating rooster sammich
[01:48:46] <paulej72> GNU-Hurd
[01:48:47] <juggs> crutchy, what is left to be said on either side? "systemd transmits HPV even through a condom" vs "systemd will guarantee your place in eternal rapture with 11 bajillion virgin $you_choice_here". Is it even possible to have a rational discussion about sytsemd?
[01:48:50] <crutchy> ^ proposed options for a systemd poll
[01:49:33] <paulej72> all the virgins are male nerd/geeks
[01:49:53] <chromas> juggs: it's the emacs v vi of our day
[01:50:06] <crutchy> juggs, i personally don't have any problems with systemd, but i'm not invested in either side. its funny watching the fanatics have at it though :p
[01:50:29] <chromas> crutchy: goddamnit, you'd better invest something. rage RAGE RAGE
[01:50:38] <crutchy> i'm using sysvinit on my lappy and systemd on my desktop
[01:50:43] <n1> chromas, does that mean we'll still be at the same point in the debate 2 decades from now?
[01:50:48] <juggs> I move that all discussion of systemd be made off-limits on pain of exclusion and shunning. Backed up by rabbits with pointy teeth!
[01:51:04] <crutchy> the fence is poking me in the arsecrack
[01:51:14] <crutchy> or dropbears!
[01:51:27] <paulej72> for normal users its a wash, but for sysadmins systemd is a bitch when the shit hits the fan
[01:51:50] <chromas> n1: unless all the distros pick up epoch and then we can all pick on Subsentient
[01:51:51] <Ethanol-fueled> FUG OFF
[01:51:55] <Ethanol-fueled> BAHAHAAHA\
[01:51:59] <n1> lol
[01:52:00] -!- Ethanol-fueled has quit [Quit: Web client closed]
[01:52:02] <crutchy> epoch++
[01:52:02] <Bender> karma - epoch: 12
[01:52:05] <crutchy> epoch++
[01:52:05] <Bender> karma - epoch: 13
[01:52:17] <chromas> epoch++
[01:52:17] <Bender> karma - epoch: 14
[01:52:44] <aqu4> epoch++
[01:52:44] <Bender> karma - epoch: 15
[01:52:51] <chromas> epoch++ # power of two
[01:52:51] <Bender> karma - epoch: 16
[01:53:09] <crutchy> $burrito epoch
[01:53:09] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at epoch
[01:53:16] <Subsentient> $burrito crutchy
[01:53:16] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at crutchy
[01:53:29] <chromas> does epoch have an object for burritos?
[01:53:34] <crutchy> ~g'day Subsentient :D
[01:53:35] * exec clumsily blows a buzz saw of beer at Subsentient :D
[01:53:41] <Subsentient> ObjectMexican=BURRITO
[01:53:52] <chromas> ah, so it /is/ rotten then
[01:54:06] <crutchy> it just stinks and talks funny
[01:54:11] <BadCoderFinger> Dangit, I have a cold, so no beer for me.
[01:54:38] <juggs> does not compute
[01:55:11] <chromas> have a warm beer
[01:55:33] <paulej72> feed a cold, starve a feaver
[01:55:52] <chromas> Are there any alcoholic beverages in hot form?
[01:56:01] <SirFinkus> sake
[01:56:16] <paulej72> hot hard cider
[01:59:24] <n1> ^^
[01:59:45] <juggs> Anything 40% up will catch a flame. I still don't know how abv relates to proof. I'll look it up once I extinguish this sambuca.
[01:59:58] <SirFinkus> proof = 2x abv
[02:04:28] <crutchy> vodka is pretty warm (on your innards anyway) :D
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[02:05:06] <crutchy> quick everyone stop talking about Bytram
[02:05:15] <crutchy> :p
[02:05:21] <SirFinkus> I think it can be served warm too
[02:06:01] <crutchy> and if you don't like the taste you can always use it in your car
[02:06:40] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[02:07:24] <BadCoderFinger> Can we have a war on "shaky-camera?" I'm tired of the headaches.
[02:07:40] * Bytram goes to review the channel logs...
[02:07:41] <chromas> what do you have against michael j fox?
[02:08:06] <crutchy> ~gday Bytram
[02:08:08] * exec allegedly passes a used franger of bewb to Bytram
[02:08:26] <Bytram> ~define franger
[02:08:29] <exec> [urbandictionary] 03Franger: 1) a controceptive device (condom) 2)insult
[02:08:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US Asks Vietnam To Stop Russian Bomber Refueling Flights From Cam Ranh Air Base - http://sylnt.us - between-a-rock-and-a-hard-place
[02:09:01] * Bytram is not really *that* interested in crutchy's greeting to learn any more
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[02:45:38] <crutchy> http://rkoutnik.com
[02:45:38] <NetCraft> ^ 03Flat is weird Randall Koutnik
[03:11:05] <Bytram> !uid
[03:11:05] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5157, owned by drkstr
[03:12:39] <Bytram> coffee++
[03:12:39] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1184
[03:24:20] <crutchy> lmao. a cop caught watching pr0nz on fapp circle
[03:24:31] <crutchy> 'fapp circle'... really?
[03:44:31] <arti> had no idea it was a thing
[03:44:51] <arti> nobody likes people who dickaround on company time
[03:45:45] * chromas sees what you did there
[03:47:48] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[03:48:25] <Bytram|away> it's bedtime for bytram -- have a good night everyone.
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[03:49:55] <arti> nite
[03:49:55] <ciri> nitty nite! arti
[03:50:01] <arti> since cops were referenced
[03:50:05] <arti> Two bishops get pulled over by a cop who says: "We're looking for two child molesters". Bishop one asks him to excuse them for a moment and whispers something to bishop two. After a few seconds, he turns back to the policeman and says: "Okay, we'll do it"
[03:50:26] <arti> zinga~
[03:54:42] <mrcoolbp> bazinga?
[03:57:11] <arti> :D
[03:57:19] <arti> i need some sort of feeding device
[03:57:41] <arti> that way i can enjoy cheese, meat, crackers at the helm.
[03:57:57] <arti> could be an interesting craigslist ad.
[03:58:52] <chromas> "This is not the meat I had in mind"
[03:59:45] <arti> it's ridiculous how good salty stuff is with alcohol
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[04:04:12] * arti offers james a ginger candy
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[04:11:42] <arti> g'day
[04:11:42] <ciri> meow arti
[04:11:47] <Ethanol-fueled> Ho ho ha hAAA HAAAAA
[04:12:01] <arti> indeed, this evening is brought to you by sailor jerry's spiced rum
[04:12:09] <Ethanol-fueled> sailor jerry;'s ricjs
[04:12:11] <Ethanol-fueled> rocks
[04:12:25] <Ethanol-fueled> It's like Captain Morgan, but cheap!
[04:12:36] <arti> sailor jerry + ginger beer, oh my
[04:13:04] * JamesNZ sniffs arti's candy cautiously
[04:13:27] <arti> it's wrapped
[04:13:44] <arti> if you like sweet and spicy, it's pretty good. i have to not eat them
[04:13:50] <arti> i eat like 5 at a time
[04:13:57] <JamesNZ> Heh.
[04:17:00] <Ethanol-fueled> Mexican candy.
[04:17:28] <Ethanol-fueled> https://consumeraffairs.global.ssl.fastly.net
[04:18:21] <arti> uh
[04:18:36] <arti> is that for fruit or just destroying teeth naturally?
[04:18:52] * arti has pelon pelo rico (sp)
[04:21:24] * Ethanol-fueled has putas mexicanas.
[04:21:57] <arti> they're cool peeps.
[04:22:03] <arti> opposite_sex++
[04:22:03] <Bender> karma - opposite_sex: 1
[04:22:22] <Ethanol-fueled> It's really awesome saying Spanish with proper inflections. It's like how Bin Laden accentuated his points with finger-wags.
[04:23:04] <Ethanol-fueled> you go in there saying "Putas Meeeheecahnas" slowly and in a staccato tone of voice, and it's legitimate.
[04:23:17] <arti> terrible
[04:23:23] <arti> i just imagine butters being told this
[04:23:37] <Ethanol-fueled> Spanish is a beautiful language. I hate on the Brown Menace because I can't speak proper Brown Menacese.
[04:24:10] <Ethanol-fueled> It makes me feel at home, in border California.
[04:24:26] <Ethanol-fueled> http://en.wikipedia.org
[04:24:26] <NetCraft> ^ 03Wiki: Imperial Valley
[04:32:26] <Ethanol-fueled> time for more booze.
[04:32:32] * arti is ahead of ef
[04:32:38] <arti> make sure you bacon tonight
[04:33:00] * Ethanol-fueled swaps out the shorts wtih cum stains on 'em
[04:33:56] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahhahahahahahaha
[04:34:59] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[04:35:00] <NetCraft> ^ 03Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. (Elevator scene) HD - YouTube
[04:37:49] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm gonna stagger donw the street to get a DRANK
[04:38:29] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[04:38:30] <NetCraft> ^ 03MC Eiht - Streiht Up Menace - YouTube
[04:38:47] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[04:38:48] <NetCraft> ^ 03Mc Eiht - Straight Up Menace - YouTube
[04:38:53] <Ethanol-fueled> Do the second one hahahah
[04:40:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Study Finds That There Are Too Many Studies - http://sylnt.us - recursion:-see-recursion
[04:41:15] <Ethanol-fueled> Fug dat sheeit.
[04:41:24] <Ethanol-fueled> Gon' drunk beers
[04:45:52] <Ethanol-fueled> Fuck you!
[04:45:59] * Ethanol-fueled drinks beers
[04:46:06] * Ethanol-fueled slup, slurp
[04:46:43] <Ethanol-fueled> Man, getting fucking wasted is the only proof God loves humans.
[04:48:40] <arti> kinda quiet in here tonight
[04:48:43] <arti> errbody must be out
[04:49:07] <Ethanol-fueled> aYup
[04:49:11] <Ethanol-fueled> incvluding me too
[04:49:20] <Ethanol-fueled> more beer is to be had.
[04:49:32] * arti stocked up earlier today
[04:49:33] <Ethanol-fueled> more bars ar wtjhnikn waking destabndsdc to be drink
[04:49:37] * arti tosses ef a boddingtons
[04:49:49] <Ethanol-fueled> boddingtons are for dog dicks,.
[04:49:55] <arti> got some guiness and baileys
[04:50:09] <Ethanol-fueled> Fuck that.
[04:50:18] <arti> ew no
[04:50:23] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm going to walk out now, and drink at the bar.
[04:50:28] <Ethanol-fueled> I will be backl.
[04:50:32] <arti> godspeed
[04:50:43] <Ethanol-fueled> Jesus loves me, ari.
[04:51:00] <Ethanol-fueled> white house confidante ari fleischer.
[04:51:17] <Ethanol-fueled> OW!
[04:51:25] <Ethanol-fueled> FUCk, my chair pinched my pinky
[04:51:46] <arti> dirty
[04:53:19] <Ethanol-fueled> its 10 pm here. I'm gonna go fetch booze.
[04:53:50] <chromas> it's 10 pm. do you know whee your booze are?
[04:53:58] <Ethanol-fueled> my mind is going to get SO HIGH its gonna blow chunks into the milky way
[04:55:28] <Ethanol-fueled> HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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[04:57:43] <Ethanol-fueled> fuck youi
[04:57:49] <Ethanol-fueled> hahaahahhahhhah
[04:58:00] <SoyCow5209> that's what I was about to raise rabble with
[04:58:02] * Ethanol-fueled leagvers sof drinks.
[04:58:10] <Ethanol-fueled> leaves for drnks]
[04:58:19] <SoyCow5209> (that was me yesterday)
[04:58:28] <arti> split personality?
[04:58:32] <Ethanol-fueled> punching a motherfucker with EXPLOSIVE POWER
[04:58:35] <Ethanol-fueled> HAHAHAHHAH
[04:58:52] <SoyCow5209> thank gott I didn't get into a fight last night
[04:59:19] <SoyCow5209> or make vomissures partout
[04:59:36] <SoyCow5209> did disparage the UK for obvious reasons
[04:59:45] <SoyCow5209> smoked 20 cigarettes I didn't pay for
[04:59:54] <SoyCow5209> convinced at least 1 person I'm french
[05:01:50] <arti> hahaha
[05:09:45] <JamesNZ> O_o
[05:14:38] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[05:14:38] <NetCraft> ^ 03The Doors - L.A Woman - YouTube
[05:15:06] * Ethanol-fueled fucking jams to The Doors
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[05:24:39] <Ethanol-fueled> ennadeedabattabowwabowaaOwwago!
[05:24:53] <Ethanol-fueled> CITY OF NIGHTS! WOW! COME oN!@
[05:25:06] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[05:25:07] <NetCraft> ^ 03The Doors - L.A Woman - YouTube
[05:25:49] <Ethanol-fueled> Gimme your blues,
[05:26:05] <Ethanol-fueled> HHAHAHAHAA
[05:27:14] <Ethanol-fueled> HHAHAHAHAHAHHA
[05:27:52] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[05:27:53] <NetCraft> ^ 03The Misfits-I am a Giant - YouTube
[05:29:46] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[05:29:46] <NetCraft> ^ 03The Misfits - Let's Blow This Town (92/187) - YouTube
[05:31:00] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[05:31:00] <NetCraft> ^ 03Designing Woman - The Misfits (Jem) - YouTube
[05:31:36] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[05:31:36] <NetCraft> ^ 03The misfits - designing woman - YouTube
[05:31:42] <Ethanol-fueled> Watch that one instead.
[05:33:59] <SoyCow5209> i'm just listening to a french punk mixtape
[05:38:20] <SoyCow5209> anybody noticed the big decline in the other site's story comment totals lately ?
[05:40:00] <chromas> They're tired of cyan
[05:40:10] <chromas> Red is where it's at
[05:40:40] <Ethanol-fueled> Their color scheme is better.
[05:40:47] <Ethanol-fueled> But we have FREEDOM
[05:41:24] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[05:41:24] <NetCraft> ^ 03Chrono Trigger - Chrono Trigger Main Theme - YouTube
[05:43:23] <Ethanol-fueled> One of the best fucking theme songs.
[05:43:42] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[05:43:42] <NetCraft> ^ 03Chrono Trigger Resurrection - Corridors of Time (1 hour Loop) - YouTube
[05:43:50] <Ethanol-fueled> that one's pretty good too.
[05:57:43] <Ethanol-fueled> FCK YOU FUCKS
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[06:12:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Milky Way Might be Much Larger Than We Thought - http://sylnt.us - lost-in-space
[06:19:09] <SoyCow5209> https://www.youtube.com
[06:19:09] <NetCraft> ^ 03Bérurier noir : Macadam Massacre (1983) [FULL ALBUM] - YouTube
[06:20:25] * NCommander is bloody nuts
[06:21:00] * JamesNZ throws cashews at NCommander
[06:29:59] * SoyCow5209 gonna let qemu take all night to run $ tar zxvf ports.tar.gz
[06:34:23] <arti> does it have extra spiffy disk speed?
[07:12:05] <crutchy> http://www.newyorker.com
[07:12:06] <NetCraft> ^ 03Nuns and Nuclear Security - The New Yorker
[07:18:14] <NCommander> SoyCow5209, setting upa *BSD?
[08:13:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - IBM Considering Bitcoin Type of Payments - http://sylnt.us - innovative-business-malaise
[08:35:51] <NCommander> I vaguely remember writing an NCommander post
[08:35:54] <NCommander> did it go live?
[08:36:09] <chromas> It's still uploading
[08:36:17] <chromas> [Chapter 29]
[08:41:17] <chromas> Speaking of spam, http://soylentnews.org
[08:41:17] <NetCraft> ^ 03SN comment by Ethanol-fueled (2792)
[08:41:28] <chromas> well, http://soylentnews.org
[08:41:29] <NetCraft> ^ 03Journal of jeanjoemayer (5093)
[08:58:32] <crutchy> bacon_on_poppy_seed_rolls++
[08:58:32] <Bender> karma - bacon_on_poppy_seed_rolls: 1
[09:01:12] <crutchy> lol @ comment by ol' E-F
[09:14:31] <crutchy> http://www.newyorker.com
[09:14:32] <NetCraft> ^ 03Congress’s Approval Rating No Longer Detectable by Current Technology - The New Yorker
[09:15:30] <chromas> They need bigger floats
[09:15:39] <chromas> Quadruple precision
[09:16:09] <crutchy> if congress had strippers more people would approve
[09:16:27] <crutchy> congressional_strippers++
[09:16:27] <Bender> karma - congressional_strippers: 1
[09:17:03] <chromas> Or even replace congress members with strippers
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[10:01:31] <crutchy> http://sen.com
[10:01:32] <NetCraft> ^ 03Russia puts off super-rocket, focuses on Angara upgrades - Sen.com
[10:15:05] <crutchy> http://seandenigris.com
[10:15:06] <NetCraft> ^ 03seandenigris.com » Programmers: You Probably Don’t Know What a Computer Is
[10:24:18] <chromas> hm, programming languages are the wires of computers
[10:24:24] <chromas> but what are the wires?
[10:26:00] <crutchy> must be what they had before wireless
[10:26:24] <chromas> oh yeah
[10:26:30] <chromas> back when it was cool to get wired
[10:26:37] <chromas> then it was cool to go wireless
[10:26:45] <crutchy> when robocop was still awesome
[10:26:51] <crutchy> oh wait. he still is
[10:27:10] <chromas> yeah that was a myth. a cop with a heart?
[10:28:12] <chromas> Speaking of your link though
[10:28:34] * chromas digs for backlog
[10:30:02] <crutchy> rt.com/usa/240581-fracking-anasazi-chaco-navajo/
[10:30:15] <crutchy> http://rt.com
[10:31:29] <chromas> a while back, the original uselessd guy (quasinoxen on freenode) was talking about doing an init in erlang
[10:32:43] <crutchy> ~link original_uselessd_guy quasinoxen on freenode
[10:32:45] <exec> └─ original_uselessd_guy => quasinoxen on freenode
[10:33:57] <chromas> his thoughts are spread out over a large string of short messages, but basically, the way erlang works lends itself to parallel processing, apparently
[10:34:14] <chromas> So he thought it might be fun to work on using it as an init system
[10:34:21] <chromas> + some other features it has
[10:37:16] <crutchy> makes sense to use todays multicore to parallelize stuff
[10:37:29] <crutchy> could do it with threads in pascal :D
[10:46:11] <crutchy> http://www.emergingobjects.com
[10:46:12] <NetCraft> ^ 03EMERGING OBJECTS » Cool Brick
[10:47:19] <chromas> nifty
[10:51:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:51:11] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1185
[10:52:19] <crutchy> just finished my last cup for the day
[10:52:22] <crutchy> coffee++
[10:52:22] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1186
[10:52:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> startin my first. long day yesterday of packing up someone else's stuff
[10:55:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> looking like another doing the same today.
[10:58:46] <crutchy> dammit. i need a program that has a treeview with a terminal output for each node
[10:59:08] <crutchy> exec2.0
[10:59:24] <chromas> delphi calls you
[10:59:26] <crutchy> that would have to be pascal
[10:59:28] <crutchy> yeah
[10:59:41] <chromas> treeview with terminal output?
[10:59:54] <crutchy> so i can see the output for each script on its own
[10:59:57] <chromas> like so it does a shell and makes a node for each one? or
[11:00:00] <crutchy> without all the mix up
[11:00:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> use log files and tail them
[11:00:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> or write log entries to the sql db
[11:00:48] <crutchy> the scripts are auto started
[11:00:59] <crutchy> already logged to mysql
[11:01:10] <crutchy> hmm. not everything is logged though
[11:01:14] <chromas> make a script-id field or something
[11:01:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> ^
[11:01:21] <chromas> then you can filter output by script
[11:01:29] <chromas> just like systemd :D :D
[11:02:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> we do everything but error logging to the db on sn
[11:02:04] <crutchy> pid would be all i need
[11:02:25] <crutchy> hmm actually /proc prolly has stdout/in/err pipes?
[11:02:34] <crutchy> might be able to read those
[11:02:43] <crutchy> well not the stdin
[11:03:58] <chromas> pid would change for each execution though right?
[11:04:08] <crutchy> yup
[11:05:51] <chromas> So how about a porn-centric linux distro. fAPPix. and the logo would be white like the apple logo, but in the shape of a penis, with a bite out of it
[11:06:05] <chromas> or maybe a boob
[11:06:09] <chromas> with a bite out of it
[11:07:14] <crutchy> (oYo) linux
[11:07:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> bewbs++
[11:07:46] <Bender> karma - bewbs: 40
[11:07:48] <crutchy> rss feed script seems to have fapped itself to death :/
[11:08:38] * chromas installs a diaspora instance
[11:09:30] <crutchy> maybe exec just needs an api. then it could just dump its process array as json
[11:10:28] <chromas> there you go
[11:10:37] <chromas> or php serialized
[11:10:51] <chromas> that could be communication 'bus' between exec and its minions
[11:10:57] <chromas> over stdio
[11:11:41] <chromas> dbus
[11:13:34] <crutchy> that already exists
[11:13:45] <chromas> execbus?
[11:13:49] <crutchy> what i need is a sort of mitm spy
[11:13:51] <chromas> or crutchybus
[11:14:11] <crutchy> be able to read a stdout/err from another separate program
[11:14:46] <paulej72> coffee++
[11:14:46] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1187
[11:15:21] <chromas> systemd does that
[11:15:23] <chromas> with services
[11:15:34] <chromas> so it can log everything
[11:15:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Procedure May Turn Brown Eyes Blue - http://sylnt.us - green-eyes-red
[11:16:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, paulej72
[11:16:39] <paulej72> if everyone has blue eyes then it will not be special
[11:16:57] <chromas> Bender: s/gr.*$/take-my-browneye/
[11:16:57] <sedctl> <chromas> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Procedure May Turn Brown Eyes Blue - http://sylnt.us - take-my-browneye
[11:17:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't be special if i got em anyway
[11:17:30] * chromas has soylent eyes
[11:17:36] <paulej72> morning TheMightyBuzzard. I found some bugs in my unmod code. I forgot to account for ponts <> karma
[11:18:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, good good. gonna fix that and push the upgrade live today?
[11:18:24] <paulej72> after a bit more testing.
[11:18:56] <paulej72> We also got apache fixed on boron and i got the bugs ofut of ssh and kerberos on oxygen
[11:18:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> smooth. i'd stick around and help but bud's in town and we're packing up his place this weekend.
[11:19:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh nice
[11:19:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> i missed ALL of yesterday
[11:19:44] <paulej72> did you get a bunch done on the packing front?
[11:20:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, most of the kitchen and maybe half his nicknacks for my part.
[11:20:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> fucker collects cool crap like nobody i ever seen
[11:21:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> and while it's almost all damned nifty, it's also a lot of shit and half of it hard to pack.
[11:21:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> nograb
[11:22:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> doing the same again here in a couple hours.
[11:22:54] <crutchy> dammit
[11:22:58] <paulej72> i am not a nicknack typ of person. helped my mom a few years back to declutter her place by trashing tons of crappy nicknacks and other flotsom and jetsom
[11:23:04] <crutchy> tail -f /proc/9384/fd/1 no worka :/
[11:23:19] <chromas> ~last nick=TheMightyBuzzard msg=while
[11:23:28] <chromas> ~last nick=TheMightyBuzzard message=while
[11:23:38] <chromas> oh, exec's busy
[11:23:39] <exec> process timed out: ~last nick=TheMightyBuzzard msg=while
[11:23:42] <exec> 03[2015-03-15 11:21:40.638] #Soylent <TheMightyBuzzard> and while it's almost all damned nifty, it's also a lot of shit and half of it hard to pack.
[11:23:56] <paulej72> !grab exec
[11:23:56] <Bender> Added quote 413
[11:23:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> monday he's working n tuesday n possibly wednesday he's getting us a place to move to so we know what all we can take. after that, proper moving.
[11:24:05] <chromas> quick, crutchy! add a grab script!
[11:24:54] <crutchy> need a grab script that grabs the last just by typing a .
[11:25:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, wish i could do that. likely most of it will just go in storage.
[11:25:46] <chromas> ~grab crutchy dammit
[11:26:03] <chromas> it could just take nick [space] message regex
[11:26:06] <chromas> or even skip the nick
[11:27:00] <crutchy> or !grab 5 for grabbing the 5th line back
[11:27:13] <chromas> all kinds of ways. do them all
[11:27:29] <chromas> gross
[11:27:43] <chromas> I was gonna try out diaspora but not only does it run its own server, it's ruby
[11:28:16] <crutchy> gitlab is ruby, but its still awesome
[11:28:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> things like an old wooden crank phone, oil lamps, an old multimeter the size of a box of cereal, a wooden dead guy in a 6" coffin where when you lift the lid a huge spring loaded pecker pops up at you... stuff.
[11:28:48] <chromas> I don't care for web services that think they need to run their own web servers on their own ports
[11:29:05] <crutchy> ooh i'll take the multimeter!
[11:29:25] <crutchy> exec can run its own webserver :)
[11:29:26] <chromas> the 6" dead guy is actually jerked meat
[11:29:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, it's circa 1940s
[11:29:58] <crutchy> gotta be on a port other than 80 though
[11:29:58] <chromas> good, that means it has warmer overtones
[11:30:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, we do that for payment processing. lighter weight than running a proper server and no need to deal with slash auto-includes.
[11:31:33] <crutchy> exec has a little ircd thingy, but it could be hacked into a webserver pretty easily
[11:31:55] <crutchy> its just a listening socket script with client connection management etc
[11:32:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> should make a web management interface for him
[11:32:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> at least for log viewing
[11:32:52] <chromas> there you go
[11:33:08] <chromas> and you can filter logs by minion and stuff
[11:33:58] <crutchy> if i can get this little relay thingy working that might make for a handy api connection between my lappy and server
[11:34:25] <crutchy> then can access lappy from outside through server
[11:35:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> just forward a port and build a web interface
[11:36:46] <crutchy> lappy is inside two routers
[11:36:57] <crutchy> don't really wanna punch holes in the second
[11:36:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> so? double forward the port
[11:37:35] <crutchy> maybe i'm just weird :p
[11:37:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> well yeah
[11:41:51] <crutchy> relay is almost done. will still need to modify the bot to spit out the process array though
[11:42:03] <crutchy> (or whatever else will be spit out)
[11:52:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> damnit, just found out there's a $5/day fee to fish in the lake right outside Jackson, TN.
[11:55:41] <chromas> cancel the move
[11:56:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, just have to drop $40 for a year long permit on top of the $28 for a fishing license.
[11:57:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> sucks
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[11:58:07] <janrinok> hi guys
[11:58:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh well, i'm bound to catch $40 worth of fish over the year. it is a pretty sweet lake.
[11:58:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> heya, janrinok
[11:58:49] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard: hi to you too. Talking about your favourite hobby again I notice
[11:59:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> well about moving mostly.
[12:00:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> and since me bud is gonna be on a tight budget after until he sells his house, not so much a hobby as a food budget supplement.
[12:00:26] <janrinok> makes sense. Still no news on the exact date of the move?
[12:01:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> some. tuesday n possibly wednesday bud's finding us a place out there. after that we're loading up n going.
[12:01:49] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: i thought you did not care to eat fish
[12:02:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, meh, put enough hot sauce on it and even an ugly chick's edible.
[12:04:14] <chromas> Bender: grab TheMightyBuzzard
[12:04:14] <Bender> Added quote 414
[12:05:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> and if it's between eating fish or burning through my savings to eat burgers, i'll eat fish.
[12:05:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause i'm just not interested in having a job for a while. going to have myself a mini-retirement for a while.
[12:06:58] <janrinok> ...other than busting your gut on here fixing our problems?
[12:07:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but that's a hobby, like fishing.
[12:07:44] * chromas authorizes a .02% raise
[12:08:02] <janrinok> double it!
[12:10:40] <crutchy> basic relay function works :D
[12:10:43] <crutchy> http://irciv.us.to
[12:12:07] <janrinok> your test data leaves something to be desired....;)
[12:12:16] <janrinok> but it works
[12:55:52] <crutchy> yay now i can retrieve bucket content from a web uri
[12:55:55] <crutchy> http://irciv.us.to
[12:56:19] <crutchy> ~bucket fart crutchy should be sleeping
[12:56:20] <exec> set bucket
[12:58:23] <crutchy> hehe
[12:58:25] <crutchy> http://irciv.us.to
[12:58:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> big dump there
[12:59:48] <crutchy> request is going through a closed firewall too
[13:00:24] <crutchy> well, content is being retrieved through a closed firewall
[13:01:50] <janrinok> crutchy: is that wise?
[13:03:00] <crutchy> i'd prefer it to port forwarding
[13:03:58] <crutchy> this way only thing a potential attacker can do is write a file on the server (outside the closed firewall)
[13:04:21] <crutchy> could potentially hack the bot, but that could be done from within irc too
[13:04:29] <janrinok> OK, perhaps I'm just misunderstanding what it is doing
[13:04:51] <crutchy> i'm just being weird :p
[13:05:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, once the bot's hacked the whole box is pwned at the pid owner's user level. really no different than forwarding a port, just different method.
[13:05:35] <janrinok> it seems to me that using my browser I can extract data from IRC _despite_ the firewall saying I shouldn't be able to do that...
[13:05:41] <crutchy> port forwarding would mean i'd have to set up static ip for my lappy and port forwarding on two routers and vbox
[13:05:46] <crutchy> pain in the butt
[13:06:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, your inner router doesn't do dhcp-friendly forwarding?
[13:06:29] <crutchy> dunno. i'm also on a vm
[13:06:34] <janrinok> lol
[13:06:34] <ciri> it's not that funny :)
[13:06:36] <crutchy> so there's kinda 3 layers
[13:07:11] <crutchy> this way i just have one port forwarded (to the apache server as per usual) and the relay does the work
[13:07:39] <crutchy> not very security-wise but meh
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[13:19:56] <paulej72> mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[13:20:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> i agree
[13:31:39] <janrinok> it's getting to that time when the weekend trolls begin to appear...
[13:33:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, can't play with em this week though. gonna be busy very shortly.
[13:35:14] <janrinok> so if they don't appear - it must be TMB!
[13:35:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> doh, busted!
[13:36:03] <janrinok> or you are cleared of all wrong-doing!
[13:47:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hey Twitter -- Killing Anonymity is a Dumb Way to Fight Trolls - http://sylnt.us - tweet-tweet-choke
[14:00:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> !quote 280
[14:00:53] <Bender> Quote 280 - <Konomi> nograb ~
[14:00:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> !quote 275
[14:00:57] <Bender> Quote 275 - <crutchy> paulej72 is the butt
[15:28:19] <Subsentient> vfbfghshrshgzvfjsrhrsmnsysgjmrjf
[15:42:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> kitteh doing your typing for you?
[15:42:28] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: dtnhjnfgjnedfgjndthgmkdthfmnfgjsfgjhnnfmnxfg
[15:42:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> says you
[15:47:06] * TheMightyBuzzard is gone
[16:50:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - First Successful Penis Transplant - http://sylnt.us - you-go-first
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[18:08:43] <Bytram> !uid
[18:08:43] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5160, owned by Barnaby
[18:09:00] * Bytram guesses last name might be Jones?
[18:09:06] <Bytram> ~weather boston, ma
[18:09:07] <exec> 03Boston, MA, USA - currently 41°F, overcast, wind W at 15 mph, humidity 80% - Sunday snow (25°F-41°F), Monday clear (35°F-45°F), Tuesday chance of rain (23°F-44°F), Wednesday partly cloudy (17°F-28°F)
[18:09:11] <Bytram> coffee++
[18:09:12] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1188
[18:09:20] <Bytram> anyone here?
[18:10:07] <Bytram> I put up a story comment on dev.sn and am not seeing moderation options for it... can anyone else confirm?
[18:10:08] <Bytram> https://dev.soylentnews.org
[18:10:09] <NetCraft> ^ 03SN (dev) comment by Bytram (4031)
[18:11:04] <Bytram> That comment is attached to this story: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[18:11:04] <NetCraft> ^ 03SN (dev) article: title goes here
[18:14:54] <Bytram> n1: ping?
[18:15:18] <n1> yo
[18:15:26] <Bytram> ho ho!
[18:15:34] <Bytram> how are *you* doing?
[18:15:57] * Bytram notes n1 was up rather late last night
[18:16:04] <n1> i can see mod options for your comment
[18:16:08] <Bytram> hmmm
[18:16:11] <n1> you shouldn't be able to mod your own comments
[18:16:15] * Bytram goes to refresh the page
[18:16:23] <n1> but you might have different privs on dev which enables you to
[18:16:34] <n1> oh you're going between accounts?
[18:16:42] <n1> i can moderate both comments
[18:17:07] <Bytram> As user martyb (with extra privs) I can see no moderation options on either comment on: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[18:17:07] <NetCraft> ^* 03SN (dev) article: title goes here
[18:17:43] <n1> i can see and mod both
[18:18:09] <Bytram> and, using lynx in another window, I cannot see any moderation options for user Bytram which has no privs at all
[18:18:35] <Bytram> strange!
[18:18:45] <n1> but
[18:18:51] <n1> i cant moderate a comment i just made after signing out
[18:19:01] <n1> so im guessing it's tied to ipid somewhere?
[18:19:27] <Bytram> I see your comment, and I see mod options for THAT one! https://dev.soylentnews.org
[18:19:28] <NetCraft> ^ 03SN (dev) comment by Anonymous Coward
[18:19:44] <Bytram> maybe there's a check to block mods on the same IPID?
[18:19:44] <n1> yeah, but i dont. so that tells me it's looking at ipid not user account
[18:19:48] <n1> aye
[18:20:08] <Bytram> well! That'll make testing a might bit more time-consuming and cumbersome!
[18:20:57] <n1> indeed
[18:21:14] <Bytram> hrmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!
[18:21:48] <Bytram> I would think that with the admin privs that martyb has, I should still be able to moderate in the story pane
[18:22:16] <n1> i'd assume at some level you can
[18:22:24] <Bytram> when I looked up the comment history for user bytram, I saw drop-downs for moderation there
[18:22:38] <n1> but that could be different ipids?
[18:22:53] <Bytram> nope. It was on the exact same comment...
[18:22:58] * Bytram goes to double-check
[18:22:59] <n1> weird
[18:23:12] <Bytram> prolly just a corner case they missed
[18:24:22] <Bytram> I justused that UI to mod "Subject of the sentence and comment" as "Funny":
[18:25:34] * Bytram goe to submit another comment
[18:25:40] <Bytram> s/goe/goes/
[18:25:40] <sedctl> <Bytram> goes to submit another comment
[18:26:16] <Bytram> done
[18:26:51] * Bytram notes that the site, though functional, is laid out very vertically in lynx
[18:27:09] * Bytram reloads: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[18:27:09] <NetCraft> ^* 03SN (dev) article: title goes here
[18:28:02] <Bytram> and again I see no moderation ability for that comment, either: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[18:28:03] <NetCraft> ^ 03SN (dev) comment by Bytram (4031)
[18:28:24] <Bytram> but I *do* see it in the 'user view': https://dev.soylentnews.org
[18:28:25] <NetCraft> ^ 03Bytram - Dev.SN User
[18:29:59] <Bytram> it seems to me that the code which blocks moderation of a comment strictly checks IPID and provides no exception for admins; as there is a workaround in the user page, not a terribly bad problem, I guess.
[18:30:17] <n1> as we shouldn't be modding our own comments up
[18:30:29] <Bytram> spoilsport!
[18:30:59] * Bytram needs to examine behavior of site in light of different moderation capabilities at different karma thresholds
[18:31:22] <Bytram> IIRC, one needs at least karma==10 in order to downmod
[18:31:55] <Bytram> I can submit a story as bytram and push it through to the main page to get a 3-point karma boost, but was hoping for a less cumbersome method
[18:50:50] <Bytram> fwiw, it seems that even a user with privs can mod a comment only once
[18:54:50] <Bytram> http://phys.org
[18:54:51] <NetCraft> ^ 03Yahoo sees 'end to end' email encryption by year-end ( http://phys.org )
[19:06:09] <SirFinkus> pooping back and forth?
[19:06:21] * SirFinkus signs up for a yahoo account
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[19:27:51] <chromas> https://microcorruption.com
[19:27:51] <NetCraft> ^ 03 ( http://microcorruption.com )
[19:40:25] <Bytram> https://medium.com
[19:40:27] <NetCraft> ^ 03Algorithm Clones Facial Expressions…And Pastes Them Onto Other Faces — The Physics arXiv Blog — Medium
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[20:26:26] <chromas> FunPika++
[20:26:26] <Bender> karma - funpika: 3
[20:28:26] <ar> http://www.gnuterrypratchett.com
[20:28:26] <NetCraft> ^ 03GNU Terry Pratchett
[20:30:47] * SirFinkus has never read Terry Pratchett
[20:30:52] <SirFinkus> worth my time?
[20:31:21] <ar> that depends
[20:32:20] <ar> if you like a big fantasy series with very well developed world, the discworld series might be worth your time
[20:32:40] <SirFinkus> I tend to enjoy that sort of thing
[20:34:51] <SirFinkus> steampunk? scifi? tolkien-like? etc
[20:35:11] <ar> no, not really tolkien like
[20:35:21] <ar> and nothing scifi
[20:44:36] <chromas> Hm, there's no way to add tags to a github issue while creating it?
[20:44:50] <paulej72> yes
[20:45:14] <paulej72> if you own the repo
[20:45:21] * chromas was trying to add a feature request to slash code
[20:46:16] <paulej72> don’t think regular people can add tags
[21:21:27] <chromas> Anal_Pumpernicke++ # just for the name
[21:21:27] <Bender> karma - anal_pumpernicke: 1
[21:23:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US State Department Hacked Again - http://sylnt.us - setting-a-fine-example
[21:25:03] <SirFinkus> ar: got the first book, reminds me of PG Wodehouse
[21:25:56] * n1 turns the music up to 11
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[21:31:59] <ar> SirFinkus: the books are quite diverse
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[21:35:45] <paulej72> 15_03 has been deployed
[21:36:01] * SirFinkus gets popcorn
[21:37:10] <n1> paulej72++
[21:37:11] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 117
[22:05:27] <chromas> 503?
[22:05:48] <chromas> there we go
[22:12:48] <paulej72> yes had to redeply as one of my last merges did not get on master like I thought
[22:16:19] <chromas> I can't believe there's not one joke about browneyes on the brown-to-blue-eyes article
[22:16:42] <paulej72> the jokes are in the penis article
[22:16:58] <chromas> additionally
[22:17:05] <chromas> paulej72++
[22:17:05] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 118
[22:17:11] <paulej72> in that one anything Ethanol-fueled says is by definition on topic
[22:28:53] <paulej72> here is an awsome comment https://soylentnews.org
[22:28:54] <NetCraft> ^ 03SN comment by f4r (4515)
[22:29:00] <paulej72> -1 insightful
[22:36:40] * n1 sigh
[22:46:41] <n1> i tend to assume, people who make comments like that have either never lived in a city or always found themselves very comfortably in the majority
[22:48:06] <n1> but that could be my own prejudice speaking out there
[22:49:50] <paulej72> i just find the comment history on that comment to be wild.
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[23:33:46] * SpallsHurgenson wonders what to eat for dinner
[23:34:30] * SirFinkus suggests food
[23:34:41] <SpallsHurgenson> that's just crazy enough to work!
[23:39:46] * SpallsHurgenson checks the fridge, "Damnit, everything in here needs cooking!"
[23:43:19] <chromas> cook up some sugar into caramel. it's easy and messy!
[23:44:13] <SpallsHurgenson> nothing like giving oneself a quick diabetic coma to finish out the weekend :) :) :)