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[01:01:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 1992: When Activists Attacked GPS Satellites with Axes - http://sylnt.us - "those-were-the-days-my-friend"
[01:03:10] <chromas> No pun about "axes"
[01:03:12] <chromas> ?
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[03:06:55] <juggs> .topic SN Main Channel - be respectful of others | https://SoylentNews.org | Useful links: http://sylnt.us | This channel IS logged and publically displayed
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[03:33:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Credit Card Breach at Mandarin Oriental - http://sylnt.us - another-one-bites-the-dust
[03:40:25] <juggs> !todo
[03:40:25] <Bender> todo for juggs: 1) update Who's Who
[03:40:42] <n1> i'm n1
[04:15:05] <paulej72> no I'm n1
[04:39:15] <chromas> I am n1
[04:55:41] <juggs> I am a stick chart.. YES...that thing nobody missed..PieSpy is back! http://stats.sylnt.us Diego lives!! And on the bombshell!!
[04:55:41] <AdmiralNachoSupreme> ^ 03SoylentNews - PieSpy Relationship Map - #soylent
[04:56:05] <juggs> Oh wait.. I didn't do that right did I?
[04:56:10] <juggs> I am n1
[04:56:49] * juggs edges out of scene slowly
[05:25:42] <JamesNZ> Pffft, systemd made it on the map and I didn't??!
[05:25:45] * JamesNZ sulks
[05:27:15] <JamesNZ> Oh wait, I am!
[05:29:16] <juggs> what map?
[05:29:46] <juggs> Does NZ have a map? I thought it was all long clouds or something.
[05:29:46] <JamesNZ> The "Piespy relationship map".
[05:29:54] <JamesNZ> :P
[05:30:53] <juggs> yeahhh - I wasn't sure if I was voicing Dr Who or Top Gear there :)
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[05:35:26] <crutchy> no I'm n1, and so is my wife!
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[05:57:46] <juggs> crutchy, I may be simplifying a bit here - but would your map not constitute a stick growing from you ever wider to lawn / Lawn / LAwn / LAWn / LAWN / LAWN with bitey animals / LAWN OR ELSE... then your stick to lawn thins and the relationship to AstroTurf takes a rapid thickening... followed by some sticks going off to something about necessity of watering and waste.
[05:58:21] <juggs> sp.
[05:58:36] <juggs> before the eds beat me up
[05:59:06] <crutchy> wtf!? lol
[05:59:32] <juggs> Think in terms of stick graphs :D
[05:59:58] * JamesNZ points a stick at juggs's errors
[06:00:34] <crutchy> i'm sorry dude i'm sitting on the floor at my in-laws listening to old fart jazz. my brain is a bit frazzled
[06:00:36] * juggs throws a piece of chalk at JamesNZ - back in line!
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[06:04:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Should Smartphones Come with Health Warnings About Psychological Addiction? - http://sylnt.us - academia-doesn't-buy-laws
[06:05:11] <juggs> crutchy, I wish I had in-laws like yours.
[06:05:47] <crutchy> they're not bad really. at least we get along i guess
[06:06:00] * juggs scuttles off to cover much to everyone's relief
[06:06:13] <crutchy> how you been?
[06:06:14] <ciri> not sure
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[06:49:36] <JamesNZ> They got him :o
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[10:00:43] <SirFinkus> stupid daylight saving time
[10:14:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:14:49] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1158
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[10:16:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, crutchy
[10:17:03] <crutchy> g'day
[10:17:04] <ciri> hi, do you yahoo? crutchy
[10:17:29] <crutchy> nah i bang yo mama ciri
[10:18:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> you bang arti?
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[10:18:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather
[10:18:42] <exec> 03Stratford, OK, USA - currently 50°F, overcast, wind S at 5 mph, humidity 60% - Sunday cloudy (43°F-61°F), Monday chance of rain (43°F-54°F), Tuesday partly cloudy (39°F-62°F), Wednesday partly cloudy (41°F-66°F)
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[10:32:06] * crutchy is currently working on 3rd planning app attempt for work
[10:32:17] <crutchy> scrapping_code++
[10:32:17] <Bender> karma - scrapping_code: 1
[10:35:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> fun fun
[10:35:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> giving you hell is it?
[10:36:17] <crutchy> nah its not too bad. first two attempts were too complicated for a beginning
[10:36:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, nod nod.
[10:37:07] <crutchy> this attempt is basically mimicking a basic spreadsheet but with some unobtrusive links to an existing database
[10:37:31] * TheMightyBuzzard scratches his head
[10:37:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, prolly best not to confuse them too bad.
[10:38:00] <crutchy> if it's accepted and used it will no doubt evolve into something more complex
[10:38:13] <crutchy> gotta stick with the agile thing
[10:38:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> sorry, didn't hear... what kind of thing?
[10:40:07] <crutchy> all that holistic system crap is why waterfall usually ends up on its arse. agile for all its flaws is at least realistic
[10:40:37] * TheMightyBuzzard has a mental s/agile// harcoded into his brain
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[10:41:28] <crutchy> tbh i don't really buy into methodologies. unless cowboy coding is a methodology :p
[10:41:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth
[10:41:56] <crutchy> i just throw shit at a wall and see what sticks
[10:42:51] <crutchy> first two didn't stick. i think cos i wasn't really listening to the planning guy well enough. he told me a couple of times he wanted to keep it simple
[10:42:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> code what needs coding, then fix the bugs, occasionally optimize as the mood strikes you without regard to how finished you are.
[10:43:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, nod nod
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[10:44:24] <crutchy> i think the lightbulb moment was on friday when he was asking about if it was possible to link an excel spreadsheet to an access database. i said "yeah sure, why not" and then i may have spewed in my mouth a bit
[10:45:18] <crutchy> vba--
[10:45:18] <Bender> karma - vba: -1
[10:45:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'not a terrible idea as long as you recreate the entire spreadsheet frontend in something sane
[10:47:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause while spreadsheets ain't hard to work with on your desktop, they ain't made to work on a phone.
[10:47:27] <crutchy> its a pretty simple php web app that uses an existing delphi web server that does the access queries
[10:47:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[10:47:59] <crutchy> new data is in a mysql db
[10:48:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> which db type?
[10:48:19] <crutchy> inno
[10:48:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[10:48:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> good call apparently
[10:52:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd say you should do it in perl for job security but php is just easier for web coder noobs =P
[10:53:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> how interactive it need to be?
[10:53:06] <ciri> doing great here
[10:53:28] <crutchy> not much to begin with, but eventually who knows
[10:53:49] <crutchy> i'm using prepared sql statements so hopefully injection is out of the question
[10:55:05] <crutchy> apache vhost config and php.ini are reasonably paranoid, but yeah i'm not a security guy
[10:55:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> pretty much a given there. our underlying subs are all quoted n prepared for us except one that's not sposed to ever take user input
[10:56:23] <crutchy> to begin with it will be lan only, but may end up accessible from offsite
[10:56:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> best to always assume someone can get on your lan
[10:56:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause really they prolly can
[10:57:28] <crutchy> atm there's no holes in the firewall, but overall IT security policy is pretty lax
[10:57:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> so mostly just add-item and remove-item and display item at the outset?
[10:58:02] <crutchy> yup
[10:58:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, if you got wireless yer shat ain't secure
[10:58:38] <crutchy> yeah that's a big problem. only got wep so may as well be open
[10:59:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly best to craft deletion as an image link with an X in the corner of the displayed item on the sheet or maybe on detailed view only
[10:59:30] <crutchy> wifi switch is going to be replaced. frankly i dunno why we even need wifi
[10:59:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> so da boss can use his phone without running up his minutes, duh
[10:59:57] <crutchy> lol. true
[11:00:39] <crutchy> yeah delete option won't be obvious, but it won't need to be either
[11:01:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> maybe even good to have an "are you really fucking sure" for deletion with a review of what they're deleting.
[11:01:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's a reason winders asks and linux just does
[11:03:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you end up with extra time might build in a modify option to let em change the time/date range on items but add n delete can take care of that at the start.
[11:04:32] <crutchy> thinkin of just having a save button so that he can edit any/all active jobs and just update/insert in one hit
[11:04:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> and if yer not needing to keep records of what happened last month or such you can run a delete cron job on the db to keep size to a minimum for speed.
[11:16:18] <SirFinkus> watching the last hobbit movie, 15 minutes in and it's already terrible
[11:16:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> should have had a clue from the first hobbit movie
[11:16:48] <SirFinkus> I knew it would be
[11:16:54] <SirFinkus> but I had to finish them out
[11:16:54] <crutchy> i watched a bit of hellboy II today. typical holywood trash but watchable once
[11:17:08] <SirFinkus> it's like watching a trainwreck, you can't turn away
[11:17:38] <SirFinkus> and kids should never be in movies
[11:17:41] <crutchy> some of those movies are designed for big screen, big sound, and are crap without
[11:18:10] <SirFinkus> this is just bad
[11:18:12] <crutchy> yeah why aren't liberals all up in arms like "that's child exploitation!"
[11:18:49] <SirFinkus> elf->dwarf->elf love triangles are ridiculous
[11:19:01] <crutchy> apparently its ok for hollywood to take advantage of kids for profit, but when it comes to nike and little brown people it's all of a sudden ebil
[11:19:23] <SirFinkus> the only redeeming quality about the movie so far (smaug) died 5 minutes in
[11:19:57] <crutchy> does it have wide sweeping landscape shots?
[11:20:08] <crutchy> those were actually ok in lotr
[11:20:11] <SirFinkus> yeah, but all cg so far
[11:20:16] <crutchy> oh
[11:20:29] <SirFinkus> no beacon lighting porn or anything
[11:20:36] <crutchy> damn
[11:20:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, cause kids can't vote and don't have any money to give them.
[11:20:59] <crutchy> lol
[11:21:11] <SirFinkus> 20 in now and it looks like it was all filmed on a soundstage
[11:21:14] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[11:21:14] <AdmiralNachoSupreme> ^ 03Lord of the Rings - Lighting of the Beacons [HD Test] - YouTube
[11:21:14] <crutchy> dammit tmb you making too much sense tonight :p
[11:21:18] <SirFinkus> this was good to watch
[11:21:53] <crutchy> oh wait but still... hollywood must be ebil!
[11:22:07] <crutchy> not to mention advertising companies... ebil!
[11:22:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> "for the children" is never about the children. it's about getting you to give your rights away willingly.
[11:22:35] <crutchy> and politicians kissing babies for political gain... ebil!!!!
[11:23:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> what gets me is how jackson could make three badass LotR movies then ass rape the hobbit like that
[11:23:50] <crutchy> i haven't seen the hobbit yet. i think my mum has the dvd but i never bothered to even borrow it
[11:23:56] <SirFinkus> the lotr movies weren't that great either
[11:24:15] <SirFinkus> and by the second one you could tell the bullshit road he was going down
[11:24:20] <crutchy> SirFinkus, need that floor rumbling sub for those kinda movies
[11:24:44] <crutchy> decent sound makes up for shitty picture :p
[11:24:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, they were the best book->movie treatment i've ever seen, though that leaves a lot of room for suck.
[11:25:32] <crutchy> movies of michael crichton books are usually terrible
[11:25:39] <SirFinkus> legalos surfing down stairs on a shield
[11:25:41] <crutchy> (eg jurrasic park etc)
[11:26:19] <SirFinkus> I care less about the integrity of crichton novels though
[11:26:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> not out of the question for legolas. dude walked ON TOP OF SNOW
[11:26:34] <crutchy> but but but... orlando!
[11:27:57] <crutchy> i'm not sure but i think crichton may have been a socialist
[11:28:21] <crutchy> though i agree with his stance against things like dna patents
[11:28:54] <SirFinkus> holy shit, the lines in this are great
[11:29:00] <crutchy> patents are a system of government enforced mafia
[11:29:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> course you do. any libertarian gotter be against government granted monopolies.
[11:30:04] <crutchy> SirFinkus, but how do they compare to Snatch?
[11:30:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh and YOU'RE A SOCIALIST
[11:30:17] <SirFinkus> you almost got me
[11:30:18] <crutchy> lol
[11:30:18] <ciri> HAHAHAHA
[11:30:38] <crutchy> "i fuckin 'ate... err... elves!"
[11:30:52] <SirFinkus> I suspect you wanted me to say "but I haven't seen snatch", but I won't be that easily bamboozled
[11:31:07] <crutchy> "it's behind ya legolas... when you reverse things come at ya from behind"
[11:31:18] * TheMightyBuzzard rolfs
[11:32:31] <crutchy> those two black dudes made that movie :p
[11:32:54] <crutchy> oh and tyrone :D
[11:33:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> everyone in that movie made that movie
[11:33:07] <crutchy> yeah true
[11:33:17] <crutchy> classic of classics
[11:33:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> one of the best cast flicks evar
[11:34:02] <crutchy> "why do they call him the bullet dodger?"
[11:34:15] <crutchy> aw fuck now i gotta watch some
[11:35:52] <crutchy> ~link snatch https://www.youtube.com
[11:35:53] <exec> └─ snatch => https://www.youtube.com
[11:37:15] <SirFinkus> food fight was cast better https://www.youtube.com
[11:37:15] <AdmiralNachoSupreme> ^ 03Foodfight! Trailer - YouTube
[11:37:54] <crutchy> ~link snatch https://www.youtube.com
[11:37:55] <exec> └─ snatch => https://www.youtube.com
[11:39:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> got it saved local but thanks
[11:40:06] <chromas> snatch++
[11:40:06] <Bender> karma - snatch: 3
[11:40:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> snatch++
[11:40:22] <Bender> karma - snatch: 4
[11:40:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> caravans++
[11:40:26] <Bender> karma - caravans: 1
[11:42:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, i prolly should sell mine but i'd never get a deal like i did on this one again.
[11:43:22] <crutchy> ~link snatch/tyrone https://www.youtube.com
[11:43:23] <exec> └─ snatch/tyrone => https://www.youtube.com
[11:43:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> $1k for a 24'. had to do a lot of cleaning the smoke out and re-rubber the roof but otherwise it was ship shape.
[11:43:57] <crutchy> re-rubber the roof?
[11:44:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, they have a rubbery coating on the roofs to keep them waterproof
[11:44:18] <chromas> Real programmers don't use rubbers
[11:44:36] <crutchy> is that summin to do with them icy winters you have over there?
[11:44:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> could be, yeah.
[11:46:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> you paint it on like paint but it's a really durable rubber to seal up any minor leaks at seams or like where the AC unit goes.
[11:46:15] <SirFinkus> there's that fucking bunny sled again
[11:46:25] <SirFinkus> rhadagast is the jar jar of the hobbit
[11:47:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth. i'm trying to remember if he was even in the book or only mentioned.
[11:47:07] <SirFinkus> only mentioned
[11:47:31] <SirFinkus> I don't even think he was mentioned in the hobbit
[11:48:05] <SirFinkus> and only mentioned obliquely a few times when gandalf and saruman were meeting
[11:48:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[11:48:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> i only remember him cause he was mentioned in LotRO as well
[11:49:02] * TheMightyBuzzard used to be a sucker for a good mmorpg
[11:50:18] <SirFinkus> http://i.imgur.com
[11:50:21] <SirFinkus> I don't even
[11:50:48] <SirFinkus> I guess gandalf, galadrial, radagast, and elrond are the superfriends now
[11:50:57] <SirFinkus> oh, and saruman
[11:51:01] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[11:51:06] <SirFinkus> guess who the hulk is?
[11:51:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah those scenes made me want to punch someone in the throat
[11:53:07] <SirFinkus> the sad part is the almost got radagast right, he could have been interesting, they just went too far with it
[11:53:23] <SirFinkus> should have been just a kooky old guy who lived in the woods
[11:53:36] <SirFinkus> if they insisted on adding him
[11:56:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> should have STUCK TO THE FUCKING BOOK
[11:56:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> you do not make shit up when you are retelling a classic tale
[11:57:02] <SirFinkus> agreed
[11:57:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's saying "hey, i'm as good as tolkien, i can write in new stuff."
[11:58:37] <SirFinkus> I mean, that's the way I pictured him, and I think the way tolkien would have written him
[11:59:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure as shit wasn't some nutball. wizards were supposed to essentially be angels not doofuses
[12:01:05] <SirFinkus> eccentric is how I pictured him
[12:04:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh that's why devtest didn't come up. nc didn't update the db
[12:10:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> there we go. devtest is back up
[12:13:24] <SirFinkus> so the arkenstone is the one ring
[12:13:26] * SirFinkus sighs
[12:14:07] <SirFinkus> this whole men vs dwaves thing was a lot more ambiguous in the book, but I guess jackson just made it good vs evil
[12:14:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> made it bloody stupid
[12:15:17] <SirFinkus> I guess legolas and his squeeze just straight up ran from laketown to the gates of mordor in like, a day
[12:17:05] <SirFinkus> I need beer for this
[12:17:53] <SirFinkus> I'll give Jackson credit for Smaug, and that one song the dwarves sang in the trailer
[12:19:37] <SirFinkus> the dwarf aesthetic is also neat
[12:19:51] <SirFinkus> but I suspect he had nothing to do with that, just signed off concept art
[12:20:47] <SirFinkus> HOLY SHIT the reconning
[12:21:21] <SirFinkus> saurons hand was forced by the dwarves reclaiming the lonely mountain?
[12:21:36] <SirFinkus> as far as I can tell, sauron never gave 2 shits about the lonely mountain
[12:23:21] <SirFinkus> "these bats are bred for one purpose" "for what?" *dramatic pause* "FOR WAR"
[12:23:55] <SirFinkus> the movie has ceased pissing me off, and has gone firmly into "so bad it's good" territory
[12:24:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> welp, i'm off to bass pro again for some more shopping.
[12:24:36] <SirFinkus> have fun
[12:24:55] * SirFinkus looks forward to the warbats
[12:36:56] <SirFinkus> HOLY SHIT GAINT FUCKING WORMS
[12:37:02] <SirFinkus> NOW IT'S TREMORS
[12:37:25] <SirFinkus> "oh come on!" -Dain Ironfoot
[12:37:31] <SirFinkus> exactly my sentiments
[12:39:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Engineering the Perfect Baby - http://sylnt.us - ask-skynet
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[14:15:04] <janrinok> anybody here?
[14:18:21] <paulej72> no
[14:18:44] <janrinok> that explains the silence.... well, that and the fact that it's the internet
[14:19:17] <janrinok> everything go OK yesterday during the great restart?
[14:23:13] <SirFinkus> yes
[14:23:37] <janrinok> hi SirFinkus
[14:23:38] <ciri> hi there janrinok
[14:23:47] <SirFinkus> lo
[14:38:51] <paulej72> yes mostly.
[14:39:29] <janrinok> any serious 'no, mostly' bits?
[14:42:28] <paulej72> well I decicded to upgrade boron to 14_04 yesterday, but I forgot there was going to be an issue with LDAP. So I had to break that to get 1/2 done upgrad to finish installing. Although I can get the db up on boron, the system is not configured properly and I am not sure if it is syncing with the master LDAP server and if the schema is correct
[14:43:31] <janrinok> so it's a case of try and fix it, and if not revert to previous version?
[14:44:23] * janrinok didn't know there was a LDAP problem with 14.04 - I'm running it too, but fortunately not with LDAP.
[14:45:06] <paulej72> its an upgrade issue, I think we had the same when we upgrade helium
[14:45:27] <paulej72> I think it is a matter of getting someone who knows ldap better to fix it.
[14:46:06] <paulej72> Or for me to find a better resource to become an expert.
[14:46:07] <janrinok> we're short of sys types I believe
[14:47:47] <paulej72> the issue is some bastich decided that the best place to put the confg files for LDAP is in its db, so you got to futz with doing everyting via command line tools instead of editng text files
[14:48:21] <janrinok> bummer
[14:48:49] <paulej72> plus you need like 50 lines of stuff setup to do certain things and the docs that I have viewed don’t explain what they do.
[14:49:02] <paulej72> I want to know what the shit i put in a system does
[14:49:10] <janrinok> LDAP--
[14:49:10] <Bender> karma - ldap: -2
[14:49:57] <janrinok> a bit like programming in the dark in a language you once heard someone mention in a noisy party
[14:50:03] <paulej72> why cant replication be as sipme as setting something like “replicant=slave01.example.com”
[15:11:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Albuquerque Cops "Comply" with Records Request by Encrypting the Videos - http://sylnt.us - still-feeling-above-the-law,-thanks-for-asking!
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[15:15:46] <janrinok> hi nick
[15:15:46] <ciri> yeah, yeah hi HI janrinok
[15:16:11] <nick> heyhey
[15:16:26] <janrinok> having a good Sunday?
[15:28:48] <janrinok> .... I guess not
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[15:30:38] <janrinok> hi Bytram|away
[15:31:15] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[15:31:25] <Bytram> janrinok: Bonjour, Kimosabee!
[15:31:31] <Bytram> coffee++
[15:31:31] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1159
[15:31:34] <Bytram> coffee++
[15:31:34] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1160
[15:31:37] <Bytram> !uid
[15:31:38] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5149, owned by wisnoskij
[15:31:44] <janrinok> hi Bytram how's things?
[15:31:45] <ciri> hi there janrinok
[15:31:54] <Bytram> got a day off!
[15:32:06] <janrinok> good!
[15:32:17] <Bytram> wanted to sleep in, but with setting the clock ahead for DST, the sun 'came up' an hour earlier. :/
[15:32:26] * Bytram will take a nap later.
[15:32:28] <Bytram> and you?
[15:33:08] <janrinok> yes, did come work in the garden earlier, the queues are up to date, and I'm wasting time doing a bit of programming while surfing imgur...
[15:33:21] <Bytram> any word on how the system upgrades went?
[15:33:37] <Bytram> sounds like a nice relaxing break -- good for you!
[15:34:02] * Bytram notices that the 'Site News' slashbox still shows: "Site Downtime Saturday March 7 Read More"
[15:34:03] <janrinok> mostly good according to paulej72 0 but some problems with LDAP. Everything seems to be working for me from the 'outside' as it were.
[15:34:17] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:34:20] <Bytram> that's good news!
[15:34:46] <Bytram> I put up a new poll - offline storage used when you first started using computers...
[15:34:49] <janrinok> your DST has already kicked in - ours is 2 weeks away, or is it 3?
[15:34:57] <Bytram> should get some of the long beards to comment!
[15:35:08] <Bytram> yes.
[15:35:17] <Bytram> it's a couple weeks earlier than it used to be.
[15:35:42] <janrinok> don't tell me you also change the date by 3 weeks as well ;)
[15:35:52] <Bytram> LOL
[15:35:53] <ciri> hahaha
[15:36:14] <Bytram> you mean like back in september of 1752?
[15:36:21] <janrinok> something like that
[15:36:31] <Bytram> September
[15:36:31] <Bytram> Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
[15:36:31] <Bytram> 1 2 14 15 16
[15:36:31] <Bytram> 17 18 19 20 21 22 23
[15:36:31] <Bytram> 24 25 26 27 28 29 30
[15:36:35] <Bytram> =)
[15:36:50] <Bytram> imagine what that would do to the systems of today!
[15:36:56] <janrinok> damn, american maths suck
[15:37:02] <Bytram> huh?
[15:37:13] <janrinok> can't even count properly
[15:37:17] <Bytram> or you mean imperial units?
[15:37:20] <Bytram> LOL
[15:37:31] * Bytram does not think it was based in the 'mericas
[15:37:42] <paulej72> the fact that I would get paid for two free weeks would be great ( I get paid by the month)
[15:37:51] <Bytram> ROFL!!!!!!
[15:38:05] <Bytram> paulej72: hiya! thanks for all you did during the system reboots / upgrades!
[15:38:08] <Bytram> paulej72++
[15:38:08] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 113
[15:38:11] <janrinok> changing calenders is never a good thing to do
[15:38:24] <paulej72> yea, but I did break LDAP
[15:38:27] <Bytram> can get a might bit interesting, yes.
[15:38:30] <paulej72> on boron
[15:38:41] <Bytram> paulej72: ouch. I remember when NC implemented it.
[15:39:05] <Bytram> He decided he wanted to do it; found some links, read some stuff, and poof!
[15:39:21] * Bytram was absolutely amazed!
[15:39:37] <Bytram> hrmmm, I might be able to find the date...
[15:39:45] <paulej72> yea , I am not up to that speed
[15:40:42] <Bytram> me neither! Takes me about 3 times through things to 'get' it. One read-through to gather the vocabulary, 2nd to note the major connections, and then the 3rd where the smaller nuances *start* getting filled in.
[15:41:07] <Bytram> btw, did you have anyt problems with the staff server?
[15:41:17] <Bytram> I cannot connect to: https://staff.soylentnews.org
[15:41:34] * Bytram goes to find the logs of the LDAP implementation.
[15:45:59] <Bytram> paulej72: this might help: http://www.openldap.org
[15:46:00] <AdmiralNachoSupreme> ^ 03OpenLDAP Software 2.4 Administrator's Guide: Replication
[15:55:04] <Bytram> paulej72: this #Soylent log entry might help: http://logs.sylnt.us
[15:55:05] <AdmiralNachoSupreme> ^ 03#Soylent | Logs for 2014-04-21
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[16:13:16] <paulej72> Bytram: looks like apache has some issues on boron. Need someone to work out the kinks. Maybe audioguy can look at it.
[16:14:08] <Bytram> thanks... no hurry.
[16:14:30] <Bytram> I don't have anything up there atm, but figured while the reboot was fresh in folks mind, it would make it easier to debug.
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[16:53:31] <paulej72> ubuntu 14_04 uses apache 2.4 instad of 2.2
[16:53:47] <paulej72> config files are different
[17:00:05] <Bytram> oh ain't *that* fun!
[17:00:13] <Bytram> paulej72++ # good luck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:00:13] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 114
[17:13:01] <paulej72> fuck it my head hurts
[17:13:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Indian Government Attempts to Suppress Rape Documentary - http://sylnt.us
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[18:25:40] <crespyl> hey, quick question: Is there a way to set the timezone submission dates are rendered in?
[18:34:12] <Bytram> crespyl: not sure I understand your question... do you mean as to how story date/time stamps *appear* when you view the site?
[18:34:22] <crespyl> yeah
[18:34:37] <Bytram> have you registered an account on SN?
[18:34:43] <crespyl> for instance, right now the top story is shown as being submitted at 4:57
[18:34:52] <crespyl> yeah, I'm logged in
[18:34:58] <Bytram> nod nod
[18:35:03] <Bytram> give me a moment...
[18:35:03] <crespyl> but in my local tz the time is only 2:35
[18:35:18] <Bytram> go to your preferences page: https://soylentnews.org
[18:35:18] <AdmiralNachoSupreme> ^ 03Log In
[18:35:35] <crespyl> herp derp
[18:35:37] <crespyl> I see it now
[18:35:47] <crespyl> thanks
[18:35:58] <Bytram> no problem! happy to help! btw...
[18:36:06] <janrinok> who told him the secret password 'herp derp' ?
[18:36:29] <Bytram> beets mee
[18:36:33] <janrinok> lol
[18:36:50] <crespyl> "shibboleet"
[18:36:52] <Bytram> crespyl: we gots a story coming up soon, if not already...
[18:37:11] <janrinok> crespyl: lol
[18:37:21] <janrinok> ...but don't tell them all
[18:37:44] <Bytram> barring any surprises, "SoylentNews Tricks and Tips" should appear at about 22:35 UTC
[18:38:01] <Bytram> that's a nice comment to provide to the story when it 'goes live'
[18:38:32] <janrinok> now, I wonder whose story that is....
[18:38:43] <Bytram> beets mee
[18:39:03] <Bytram> =)
[18:40:13] <crespyl> I think the reason I didn't see it at first (and I never looked for it on the old site), is that I expected to find the tz settings under the user section
[18:40:22] <crespyl> but they're actually under homepage
[18:40:44] <Bytram> crespyl: that's understandable. on our todo list is a rework of the preferences pages.
[18:41:03] <janrinok> ah, the old mistake of applying commonsense... ditto what he said^
[18:41:21] <Bytram> if I may suggest, you might want to change your "Display Link Domains?" setting to be "Show link domains in comments and stories"
[18:42:00] <Bytram> that was an 'upgraded' capability our devs added on top of the old slash code
[18:42:25] <crespyl> cool
[18:42:31] <Bytram> =)
[18:42:40] <crespyl> It took me a bit but I did find the setting
[18:42:41] <crespyl> :P
[18:42:47] <janrinok> SN - full of good ideas
[18:43:11] <janrinok> SN Editors - not too bright, but some good ideas, usually on a Tuesday
[18:43:36] <Bytram> there's some things I learned to *not* mess with on the old site -- too hard to recover to what was working, after I went exploring options.
[18:43:51] <janrinok> i can grok that
[18:43:56] <Bytram> janrinok: yeh, but never on a sunday!
[18:43:59] <crespyl> how much effort does it take to set up a dev/testing instance?
[18:44:04] <janrinok> ttue...
[18:44:15] <janrinok> true*
[18:44:24] * Bytram wonders if janrinok got the reference to an old movie(?)
[18:44:31] <janrinok> did
[18:44:56] <Bytram> crespyl: I've not tried it, but I'm sure the devs would be more than happy to help you through the process!
[18:45:31] * Bytram would love to set up an instance on his box, but lacks the hardware to support it. Need more memory, computes, and disk. :/
[18:45:49] <janrinok> apart from that, though, you've got it hacked
[18:46:03] <Bytram> well, the computes are prolly sufficent, if slow, but the other parts are certainly not up to the task.
[18:47:42] <Bytram> crespyl: interestingly enough, I had missed setting that option in my own account on the main site! thanks for asking -- helped me out, too!
[18:48:09] <crespyl> It's actually something that used to bother me about the old site, but never enough to figure out how to fix it
[18:49:05] <crespyl> I've got this bad habit of trying to find out where the preferences are by skimming through the source code
[18:49:31] <crespyl> and I have to admit that I kind of bounced right off of Slash
[18:49:32] <crespyl> :/
[18:49:37] <janrinok> careful, or we'll be dragging you into the dev pit
[18:49:40] <Bytram> I nearly always hover my mouse cursor over a link (to see the destination URL) before I click it... that's a bit harder to do with a touch interface.
[18:50:20] <Bytram> well, at least I've found it so.
[18:50:25] <crespyl> (I take that kind of severe "I don't even know where to start" bounce as a personal challenge, hence the question about the dev instance...)
[18:50:38] <Bytram> LOL!
[18:51:30] <Bytram> it's hard to beat: grep -iRHn "pattern" ./*
[18:51:54] * Bytram hopes he got all the capitalizations correct
[18:52:20] <Bytram> or, for just locating likely possibilities w/o dumping a gazillion lines of output...
[18:52:30] <Bytram> grep -il "pattern" ./*
[18:52:54] * janrinok hopes no-one is waiting for him to correct Bytram
[18:53:58] * Bytram was *just* looking at all the reports he could generate on slash and was wondering why there was no 'semi-annual' or 'annual' choice for duration; did a recursive search on 'Biweekly' and found a likely candidate toot-sweet!
[18:54:25] <janrinok> bonus!
[18:54:52] <janrinok> ... and don't toot your sweet in public please
[18:55:21] <Bytram> stats_days ::= { 7:Weekly, 14 Biweekly, 92:Quarterly, -1:Forever }
[18:55:33] <Bytram> s/92/93/
[18:55:33] <sedctl> <Bytram> stats_days ::= { 7:Weekly, 14 Biweekly, 93:Quarterly, -1:Forever }
[18:56:06] <Bytram> yeah, their math is kinda funny; 93 * 4 == 372 days per year!
[18:56:40] <janrinok> close enough...
[18:57:02] <Bytram> If I understand it correctly, we'd just need to add: { 183:SemiAnnually, 366:Annually }
[18:57:10] <janrinok> looks good
[18:57:18] <Bytram> must be those metric years I been hearing about
[18:58:28] <janrinok> well, it depends on whether you want a quarter of a year, or 3 calendar months, because not all months are the same length
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[18:59:17] <janrinok> 93 is just playing safe for 3 months of 31 days each
[19:00:09] <janrinok> but I think I have just been trolled by Bytram
[19:00:13] <Bytram> Jan+feb+mar == 92/93 days; Apr+May+Jun=92; Jul+Aug+sep=91; Oct+Nov+dec=90
[19:00:28] <janrinok> quick and dirty programming
[19:00:45] <Bytram> ugh. dc is RPN; I got the order backwards!
[19:01:04] <janrinok> and why start with Jan, they might have wanted to pick any 3 calendar months in succession
[19:01:33] <janrinok> ...but what do I know about it
[19:01:45] <Bytram> in that case, the most would be like: nov(30)+dec(31)+jan(31) == 92
[19:02:02] <janrinok> as I said, quick and dirty
[19:02:14] * Bytram seeks some soap
[19:02:21] <Bytram> and alliteration
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[19:03:42] <crespyl> bytram becomes bemusing
[19:03:43] <Bytram> janrinok: pm
[19:03:43] <janrinok> and stop using big words with an editor
[19:03:48] <Subsentient> $tail #Soylent 10
[19:03:49] <aqu4> [2015-03-08 19:00:57 UTC] (#Soylent) <Bytram>: in that case, the most would be like: nov(30)+dec(31)+jan(31) == 92
[19:03:50] <aqu4> [2015-03-08 19:01:14 UTC] (#Soylent) <janrinok>: as I said, quick and dirty
[19:03:51] <aqu4> [2015-03-08 19:01:25 UTC] (#Soylent) **Bytram seeks some soap**
[19:03:52] <aqu4> [2015-03-08 19:01:33 UTC] (#Soylent) <Bytram>: and alliteration
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[19:03:54] <Bytram> counterproductive?
[19:03:54] <aqu4> [2015-03-08 19:02:54 UTC] (#Soylent) <crespyl>: bytram becomes bemusing
[19:03:55] <aqu4> [2015-03-08 19:02:55 UTC] (#Soylent) <Bytram>: janrinok: pm
[19:03:56] <aqu4> [2015-03-08 19:02:55 UTC] (#Soylent) <janrinok>: and stop using big words with an editor
[19:03:57] <aqu4> [2015-03-08 19:03:00 UTC] (#Soylent) <Subsentient>: $tail #Soylent 10
[19:03:57] <aqu4> End of tail.
[19:04:01] <crespyl> definetly
[19:04:17] <janrinok> ooh, my eyes went all funny
[19:04:23] <janrinok> hi Subsentient
[19:04:24] <ciri> quick, everyone look busy janrinok
[19:04:38] <Bytram> Subsentient: g'day!
[19:04:40] <Subsentient> janrinok: Hi, was aqu4 here prior to me showing up or was she gone for a day too?
[19:25:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> you tryin to stick me workin on a weekend, Bytram?
[19:25:58] <Bytram> whooo meee?
[19:26:21] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard: he
[19:26:23] <janrinok> hi
[19:26:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're plenty evil nuff to do it. i mean ya already go around breaking perfectly good code
[19:26:24] <ciri> quick, everyone look busy janrinok
[19:26:30] * TheMightyBuzzard waves
[19:28:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> joke's on you though. was out at bass pro all mornin and bout to take a well deserved nap now.
[19:28:05] * Bytram reveals where broken code is insufficiently hidden
[19:28:44] <Bytram> or, insufficiently useful to be deemed a feature
[19:28:58] <Bytram> =)
[19:29:25] * Bytram hopes you has a nice nap; sounds like a great idea!
[19:29:36] * Bytram might jhust do he same after getting some food.
[19:29:51] <Bytram> nick Bytram|afk
[19:29:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> crespyl, vm should just work right out of the box. webserver will be at 127.0.0.1, i forget which open port. won't be started by default though so you gotta start it first.
[19:30:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> login/pass is slash/slash both from the console and on the website
[19:31:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> you want more than that from me though you'll have to check back later this evening or tomorrow. my day's pretty much full up until like 8pm CDT.
[19:32:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> or bug paulej72 if you can catch him
[19:33:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> and with that, i declare nap time.
[19:33:25] <janrinok> sleep on....
[20:01:29] <Leebert> Holy all that is holy... can I moderate an entire story's discussion thread as "off-topic"?!
[20:03:04] <n1> what story is that
[20:06:59] <JamesNZ> java--
[20:06:59] <Bender> karma - java: -15
[20:07:33] <Leebert> "Albuquerque Cops "Comply" with Records Request by Encrypting the Videos" -- it's one giant rantfest about gewg_ submissions
[20:07:59] <n1> i thought that would be the one
[20:08:36] <janrinok> yep, been there, tried to fix it, failed and wandered away
[20:09:20] <n1> it does seem to be one person that really hates gewg_, and a couple of others get annoyed at some of his submissions
[20:09:39] <n1> but for the most part, it's just one person and reading the antigewg comments, thats how it appears from all the angry AC's
[20:10:47] <Bytram> from what I can see, it's mostly one AC who has been trolling the entire story, with a few others tossed into the mix.
[20:11:11] <n1> that was my conclusion, if only from the writing style
[20:11:32] <n1> and the speed the ac replies were coming in
[20:12:44] * Bytram counts about 22 comments in that thread from what looks to be the same AC
[20:14:07] <n1> although, must be doing something right if the net neutrality story from tuesday was met with "this site has a right-wing slant" and gewg_'s ones are met with "this site an its leftist propaganda"
[20:14:20] <Bytram> LOL!
[20:14:26] <Bytram> +1 Insightful
[20:14:31] <Bytram> n1++
[20:14:31] <Bender> karma - n1: 11
[20:14:44] <Bytram> let's make it an even dozen...
[20:14:46] <Bytram> n1++
[20:14:46] <Bender> karma - n1: 12
[20:14:48] <Bytram> =)
[20:14:50] <n1> lol
[20:14:58] <janrinok> nicely balanced is all that I can say
[20:15:12] <n1> took the lead from Fox News...
[20:15:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Pirate Party is Iceland’s Third-Largest Political Party - http://sylnt.us - piracy-done-properly
[20:15:42] <Bytram> and they are not a reputable news source? What next?
[20:15:45] <Bytram> =)
[20:16:28] <Bytram> real_news = function(FoxNews, MSNBCNews, WSJ, NYT, NPR, EIEIO)
[20:18:53] <n1> should scrape the mainstream sites and have some software that merges them into one
[20:19:05] <n1> so you get the MSNBC and Fox slant in the same summary/story
[20:19:33] <janrinok> then we'll have to blame the centrists...
[20:19:43] <n1> no, blame the software
[20:19:54] <janrinok> blame Bytram !
[20:20:02] <Bytram> and who designs the software?
[20:20:13] <n1> as janrinok suggests, that would be you
[20:20:18] <janrinok> QA should have tested it properly
[20:20:23] <n1> mr editor/dev Bytram
[20:20:29] <n1> oh indeed, and QA too
[20:20:38] <janrinok> lol - hoist, petard, what?
[20:20:45] <Bytram> QA atm == Quasi Ambitious
[20:20:49] <n1> lol
[20:21:45] <janrinok> got to go guys - have a good one, and see you again tomorrow
[20:21:54] <n1> take care janrinok
[20:21:57] <n1> janrinok++
[20:21:57] <Bender> karma - janrinok: 20
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[20:22:32] * Bytram waves, belatedly, at janrinok
[20:23:16] <Bytram> n1: might want to take a look at this idea I had on using rss-bot's feeds into developing a story submission: http://logs.sylnt.us
[20:23:17] <AdmiralNachoSupreme> ^ 03#editorial | Logs for 2015-03-08
[20:23:51] <Bytram> http://phys.org
[20:23:53] <AdmiralNachoSupreme> ^ 03Pilots set for first round-the-world solar flight ( http://phys.org )
[20:24:54] * Bytram wonders how fast would they have to fly to always stay in sunlight.
[20:25:01] <Bytram> brb
[20:27:09] <n1> Bytram, theres good potential with that idea
[20:31:12] <Bytram> n1: thanks!
[20:32:04] <n1> although i'd say a system like that should only be available to logged in users
[20:32:05] <mythterj> about 1000mph at he quater.
[20:32:08] <Bytram> got the idea from a 'Joel On Software' posting - comoditize your complement
[20:32:18] <Bytram> agreed
[20:32:37] <Bytram> mythterj: interesting...
[20:33:03] <Bytram> did you allow for them to start at sunrise on one side of the earth and lose some ground but still stay ahead of sunset?
[20:33:32] <Bytram> as opposed to remaining stationary over one point on the earth
[20:37:06] * n1 rages at the lack of lighters
[20:38:16] <n1> ah, down the back of the couch, always a safe bet
[20:40:24] <Bytram> lol
[20:40:26] <ciri> lol damn!
[20:40:37] <Bytram> but only so long as they remain unlit, there.
[20:40:52] <Bytram> then, well, not so safe bet.
[20:41:15] <n1> still could perform the necessary funcion, if timings work out
[20:42:18] <Bytram> timings, like in how fast you can run from a burning building?
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[20:43:08] <n1> not saying its perfect, but you know got to look for the silver lining
[20:43:17] <Bytram> ROFL!
[20:43:38] <Bytram> still, methinks it's not really a bright idea
[20:44:47] <n1> i'll try to remember that ;)
[20:45:05] <Bytram> just a little dark humor there, is all
[20:45:21] <n1> appreciated
[20:45:36] <Bytram> np
[20:47:03] <n1> how are things with you anyway, good week? dont think we got around to that yet :/
[20:47:04] <ciri> doing great here
[20:47:51] <Bytram> ok, all in all.
[20:48:07] <Bytram> nothing *great* but nothing that *BLEGH* either.
[20:48:23] <Bytram> am a little tired with the changing of the seasons starting
[20:48:40] * Bytram glars at the huge piles of snow but hint of spring in the air
[20:49:20] <Bytram> s/glars/glares/
[20:49:20] <sedctl> <Bytram> glares at the huge piles of snow but hint of spring in the air
[20:50:01] <Bytram> I take comfort knowing than in 3 or 4 months, I'll wish that it were cooler!
[20:50:08] <n1> hah
[20:50:48] <Bytram> some stores are already bringing out their spring styles with lotsa nice colors -- that helps more than one would think
[20:52:10] <n1> colour and sunlight is always nice to see, i find winter very draining because of how dull everything gets
[20:52:18] <Bytram> bingo.
[20:52:27] <Bytram> black-and-white
[20:52:44] <Bytram> and with the snow, the whites are *especially* bright making the darks seem even moreso
[20:53:47] <n1> thankfully, dont have to deal with snow
[20:54:13] <Bytram> want some? we've got *PLENTY*!
[20:54:19] <n1> never actually had to deal with 'real' winter
[20:54:55] <n1> only for a couple of weeks, or shorter periods; not for months
[20:55:21] <Bytram> it does get draining after a while
[20:57:17] <n1> i bet it does, i feel lucky to have avoided it even by UK standards in the last few years
[20:57:55] <Bytram> I'm reminded of a saying, but cannot track it down atm
[20:58:08] <Bytram> here's my best shot at it from memory:
[20:58:55] <Bytram> Anything that sheds a great light casts a dark shadow. Those who see only light or only dark see nothing. To see both requires courage and a steadfast gaze.
[20:59:02] <Bytram> s/dark/deep/
[20:59:02] <sedctl> <Bytram> Anything that sheds a great light casts a deep shadow. Those who see only light or only dark see nothing. To see both requires courage and a steadfast gaze.
[20:59:41] <Bytram> I'm inclined to think it was by Thoreau, but could well be mistaken.
[20:59:52] <n1> interesting
[21:02:07] <Bytram> thanks -- when first I read it, it got me to thinking, too.
[21:03:21] <n1> it's making me think for sure, not sure how i feel about it though as a concept
[21:04:40] <Bytram> that was my reaction, too. It casts things as being so 'black' and 'white' and yet, in a meta way, says that one cannot see both those things at the same time without courage and a steadfast look at it.
[21:04:57] <Bytram> meta-recursion?
[21:05:01] <n1> yeah
[21:05:09] <n1> thats the same i get from it
[21:05:11] <Bytram> stack overflow - core dumped.
[21:05:55] <Bytram> on a different level, I sense a caution to beware feeling certain you know what something *is* or is *not* -- might be missing something very important.
[21:06:39] <n1> agree
[21:07:35] <Bytram> and with that, I think I'll take a nap.
[21:07:41] <Bytram> nice chatting with ya, as awlways!
[21:07:43] <n1> don't ever feel certain though really, except perhaps everything is subject to re-evaluation
[21:07:56] <Bytram> are you sure about that? =)
[21:08:01] <n1> maybe
[21:08:04] <Bytram> LOL!
[21:08:07] <n1> take care :)
[21:08:13] <n1> Bytram++
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[21:08:23] <Bytram> I *used* to think that I was indicisive, but *now* I'm not so sure.
[21:08:35] <Bytram> n1++
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