#Soylent | Logs for 2015-03-02

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[00:32:31] <paulej72> Cool. I have the moderation list sorting better. It took a fuck long time to get the right format for the order array.
[00:33:41] <Leebert> paulej72: Thanks for your work. :)
[00:34:12] <paulej72> https://dev.soylentnews.org if you log in you can see the fixes
[00:34:12] <Hedonismbot> ^✓ 03SN (dev) article:  Kaspersky Group Believes it is Exposing NSA Cyber-Espionage Attempts 
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[01:09:34] <BadCoderFinger> Hi guys
[01:11:36] <arti> hello BadCoderFinger
[01:11:49] <BadCoderFinger> Hey arti! How are you?
[01:13:17] <arti> pretty good, just paid rent
[01:14:15] <BadCoderFinger> Heh, well, that's good and bad.
[01:14:41] <arti> indeed. on the bright side if something breaks, they fix it.
[01:17:33] * arti cracks a boddingtons
[01:24:14] <BadCoderFinger> Boddy's!
[01:24:16] <BadCoderFinger> Nice.
[01:26:13] <arti> this is so hilarious: http://news.yahoo.com
[01:26:14] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Police union pushes for cop killings to be included in federal hate crimes law - Yahoo News
[01:35:07] <BadCoderFinger> Oh FFS.
[01:35:46] <BadCoderFinger> Maybe, just maybe, they should bloody well be trying to engender some good will.
[01:41:48] <arti> SNAFU
[01:44:15] <chromas> I thought it was already instant death for cop-killers. now they want it to be even more crime-ier?
[01:49:54] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah. Like everything else, it's an excuse to force us not to question the authorities.
[01:50:17] <BadCoderFinger> How dare you film a law enforcement officer breaking the law?
[01:54:01] <chromas> maybe cops could wear encryption keys
[01:54:20] <chromas> filming them could be prosecuted as a dmca violation or something
[01:58:57] <BadCoderFinger> Heh
[02:00:39] <BadCoderFinger> Aw, crap. I'll be glad when filmmakers finally decide that shaky camera sucks.
[02:13:13] <chromas> Shaky, lens flare, all the things that would've got them fired fifty years ago
[02:13:44] <BadCoderFinger> Yep.
[02:13:57] <BadCoderFinger> Everything is made to look like it was shot with a cell phone.
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[02:28:43] <arti> shaky camera does suck
[02:33:39] <BadCoderFinger> It gives me a headache.
[02:42:05] <paulej72> getting ready to deploy a semi major update to the site. New subscriptions options will be available and we will be doing some moderation rework
[02:47:09] <mrcoolbp_wrk> paulej72: going down tonight?
[02:48:01] <paulej72> nope
[02:48:07] <paulej72> need to test first
[02:48:11] <mrcoolbp_wrk> okay
[02:49:40] <paulej72> Next satureday our Linodes need to be taken down for service. Lindoe is scheduling a 2 hr down time, I will post a note tomorrw on the site with more details. Will give me time to do kernel updates :)
[02:52:16] <BadCoderFinger> You guys are running Debian?
[02:59:43] <mrcoolbp_wrk> Ubuntu and (CentOS for one system) I think
[03:01:23] <BadCoderFinger> Ew! Burn CentOS!
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[03:11:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Explore Paths to Better Batteries - http://sylnt.us - this-story-brought-to-you-by-Torchy-the-battery-boy
[03:13:23] <paulej72> BadCoderFinger: we are planning on it
[03:13:43] <BadCoderFinger> Cool.
[03:14:02] <BadCoderFinger> I've never had good luck with an RPM based distro.
[03:15:14] <paulej72> I have and used RH for ages, It is all the same for the most part. Our issue is that we only have one Centos box in a sea of Ubutu
[03:16:09] <BadCoderFinger> There's always on thing I need to recompile. Then make install breaks rpm forever.
[03:16:24] <paulej72> just makes doing the standard things so mcuh more difficult as it is a different way to do things
[03:17:16] <paulej72> yea, there is that, but you should install that kind of stuff outside of the normal /bin /libs and whatnot
[03:17:29] <BadCoderFinger> When you can, yeah.
[03:17:39] <paulej72> /opt or /usr/local
[03:17:46] <paulej72> sure
[03:17:52] <BadCoderFinger> Some goofy programs use hard-coded paths.
[03:18:21] <BadCoderFinger> Like xephem. My favorite astronomy program. But it generates paths at compile time to where you compiled it. Bleh.
[03:18:31] <paulej72> I tell my users to suck it and just use what the distro has. There is no reason they need wtf 8.2 rather than 8.1.9
[03:19:07] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, sometimes.
[03:19:36] <BadCoderFinger> That's why my home dir has a bin and a lib dir in it.
[03:22:56] <BadCoderFinger> What I hate is when the prod servers don't match the dev servers.
[03:23:21] <BadCoderFinger> Different library versions... always explodes on a deploy.
[03:24:33] <paulej72> we have a bit of that now, but not too bad. Slash requires its own set of installs of stuff that is independent of the distro, so we can copy them arround and it works
[03:25:31] <paulej72> OK I think I am going to get some rest now. see you tomorrow.
[03:27:26] <BadCoderFinger> Later!
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[04:38:16] <mcasadevall_> TheMightyBuzzard, with devtest, it uses a different set of nexuses. How its organized on production vs. real life is very sifferent
[04:41:24] -!- JamesNZ [JamesNZ!~james@43-567-441-22.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #Soylent
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[05:22:12] <JamesNZ> microsoft--
[05:22:12] <Bender> karma - microsoft: -11
[05:22:12] <JamesNZ> microsoft--
[05:22:13] <Bender> karma - microsoft: -12
[05:22:13] <JamesNZ> microsoft--
[05:22:13] <Bender> karma - microsoft: -13
[05:23:34] <ar> tea++
[05:23:34] <Bender> karma - tea: 422
[05:23:36] <ar> coffee--
[05:23:36] <Bender> karma - tea: 423
[05:33:42] * JamesNZ feels a special kind of hate for MS ATM
[05:33:43] <JamesNZ> microsoft--
[05:33:43] <Bender> karma - microsoft: -14
[05:33:44] <JamesNZ> microsoft--
[05:33:44] <Bender> karma - microsoft: -15
[05:33:45] <JamesNZ> microsoft--
[05:33:45] <Bender> karma - microsoft: -16
[05:38:25] <ar> JamesNZ: what happened?
[05:39:19] <JamesNZ> ar: Visio is a PITA to install.
[05:42:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Food Emulsifiers Possibly Linked to Inflammatory Disorders - http://sylnt.us - we-are-what-we-eat
[05:49:53] <ar> JamesNZ: well, at least it didn't spam you with 14k emails over the weekend
[05:50:47] <juggs> that would be annoying :D
[05:53:57] <ar> oh, it sure is
[05:55:06] <JamesNZ> ar: Hah, happily that did not occur :P
[05:55:26] <juggs> ^weather
[05:55:32] <juggs> !weather
[05:55:38] <juggs> $weather
[05:55:43] <juggs> ~weather
[05:56:45] <ar> .weather
[06:09:00] <juggs> hmm - thought geotti had a weather script :/
[06:09:29] <juggs> Have to see if I can rustle one up for Bender or Regurgitator
[06:19:03] <JamesNZ> microsoft--
[06:19:03] <Bender> karma - microsoft: -17
[06:19:08] <JamesNZ> emacs++
[06:19:08] <Bender> karma - emacs: 42
[06:19:09] <JamesNZ> emacs++
[06:19:09] <Bender> karma - emacs: 43
[06:19:12] <ar> tea++
[06:19:12] <Bender> karma - tea: 424
[06:19:14] <ar> coffee--
[06:19:14] <Bender> karma - tea: 425
[06:19:41] <juggs> karma++
[06:19:41] <Bender> karma - karma: 15
[06:19:43] <juggs> karma--
[06:19:43] <Bender> karma - karma: 14
[06:19:48] <juggs> I'm undecided
[06:20:33] <JamesNZ> coffee-- # Do as I do then :P
[06:20:33] <Bender> karma - tea: 426
[06:21:27] <juggs> walk like an Egyptian?
[06:23:18] <JamesNZ> 7oГ 7oГ 7oГ 7oГ
[06:25:33] <juggs> ha - how long did that take to figure out?
[06:25:55] <JamesNZ> About 15 seconds :)
[06:31:29] <juggs> hmm, what's that right angle symbol? Nearest I can get is
[06:32:06] <SirFinkus> 「?
[06:32:56] <SirFinkus> oh, it's Cyrillic
[06:33:39] <chromas> ^weather Bermuda
[06:33:40] <geotti_away> Error. Try again.
[06:33:41] <juggs> ah, I'd probably have to know some AltGr+???? magic witchcraft :D
[06:33:49] <juggs> ^weather
[06:33:57] <juggs> ^weather London
[06:33:59] <geotti_away> [London, United Kingdom] Clear. Temp is 4*C but feels like -1*C. WSW wind: 24 kph. Humidity: 81%.
[06:34:08] <JamesNZ> juggs: U0413.
[06:34:10] <SirFinkus> it's pronounced "g" as in "go"
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[06:36:24] <ar> ^weather Warsaw
[06:36:25] <geotti_away> [Warsaw, Poland] Clear. Temp is 4.4*C but feels like 4*C. Humidity: 85%.
[06:36:51] <JamesNZ> ~gday crutchy
[06:37:04] <crutchy> howdy JamesNZ
[06:37:34] <juggs> ГГГГГГГГГГ
[06:38:02] <juggs> Г
[06:38:09] <juggs> JamesNZ++
[06:38:09] <Bender> karma - jamesnz: -17
[06:39:35] <juggs> no doubt I will have forgotten again the next time I think to use it
[06:40:40] <crutchy> ~link angle Г
[06:40:44] <crutchy> derp
[06:42:16] <juggs> ~g'day crutchy
[06:42:20] <juggs> double derp
[06:53:08] <crutchy> when does the funding goal period start?
[06:53:28] <crutchy> ah. jan
[06:55:08] <SirFinkus> hmm, another thought about the funding, it may be better to break it up into monthly intervals
[06:55:15] <juggs> Yah, mrcoolbp reworked the finance plan
[06:55:25] <SirFinkus> it makes changes in funding levels look more dramatic, so people think they're having a greater impact
[06:55:30] <crutchy> http://www.pc-tablet.com
[06:55:32] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Samsung Group unpacks Galaxy S6 at MWC 2015
[06:55:38] <SirFinkus> and most other sites that rely on donations seem to do it
[06:55:48] <juggs> SirFinkus, that might make sense once we get the monthly subs up and running.
[06:55:49] <SirFinkus> I have no data on this, it's just a theory
[06:56:58] <juggs> It would be nice to get subs to auto-update the beg-o-meter too :D
[06:57:20] <SirFinkus> it also might increase the sense of urgency, and incentivize people to move it to 100% if it's close, or be the first to donate each month
[06:57:24] <SirFinkus> just thoughts
[06:57:33] <SirFinkus> haha, I bet
[06:59:33] <crutchy> maybe include the username of the last prescriber in the slashbox
[06:59:34] <juggs> beg-o-meter updating is all on mrcoolbp at the moment. Seems logical to me that we should be able to automate it once the target is defined
[06:59:53] <SirFinkus> I'd imagine so
[07:00:00] <juggs> crutchy, some subs prefer to remain anonymous i.e. they turn off their star
[07:00:21] <SirFinkus> well, you leave out the anonymous ones of course
[07:00:37] <SirFinkus> and I'd suggest that if you're going to do something like that, make it random on each refresh
[07:00:56] <SirFinkus> maybe weighted with donation amount
[07:01:02] <crutchy> nooo. expose them all for the brown nosers they are! :p
[07:01:14] <juggs> heh.. we could tweet it! $Joe just subbed! Why don't you!
[07:01:40] <SirFinkus> and then I could instantly unfollow the soylent news twitter
[07:02:03] <JamesNZ> But you won't because you're a loyal soylentil!
[07:02:10] <SirFinkus> please leave that only stories and site stuff, like maintenance announcements
[07:03:42] <juggs> I honestly do not know what we tweet right now.
[07:03:45] <crutchy> wtf is twitter still a thing?
[07:03:49] <SirFinkus> just stories
[07:04:12] <SirFinkus> it's pretty much the only kind of thing I use twitter for
[07:04:21] <SirFinkus> oh, and musical artists
[07:04:35] <SirFinkus> because they never update their websites
[07:05:20] <juggs> so - an rss replacement?
[07:05:40] <SirFinkus> basically
[07:05:53] <crutchy> galaxy s6 looks nice. "aircraft aluminium case" and gorilla glass front and back. apple might actually shit itself
[07:06:02] <SirFinkus> http://www.thronesanddominions.com for instance, they've released like 3 albums since they updated last
[07:06:03] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03earth
[07:08:40] <crutchy> who the hell needs 2560 x 1440 screen in a mobile phone?
[07:09:21] <SirFinkus> that shit drives me nuts
[07:09:33] <SirFinkus> most laptops don't have that
[07:09:58] <SirFinkus> and fuck, they need it, everything should have been 200dpi years ago
[07:10:35] <juggs> viewing distance needs to be taken into account
[07:11:05] <SirFinkus> 200dpi for laptops is about right
[07:11:27] <crutchy> i reckon if you put your eye right against the screen you prolly still couldn't see the pixels in a s6
[07:11:36] <crutchy> waste of money
[07:11:46] <SirFinkus> yeah, I'm a dpi whore and that's just stupid
[07:11:55] * crutchy will prolly get one :p
[07:12:01] <SirFinkus> waste of battery life and cpu power
[07:12:41] <crutchy> actually they might be close to a s7 by the time my contract runs out. still a few months left i think
[07:12:58] <SirFinkus> I'm actually in the market for a new phone myself
[07:13:05] <crutchy> actually i have nfi how long is left on my plan. might be almost up
[07:14:09] <crutchy> when did s4 mini come out?
[07:14:16] <SirFinkus> no clue
[07:14:29] <SirFinkus> I'm probably going to be boring and get an Iphone 6
[07:15:06] <crutchy> but but but don't you wanna be a fandroid?
[07:15:33] <SirFinkus> I don't really get into all that phone war bs
[07:15:46] <SirFinkus> I just like the integration with osx
[07:19:15] <crutchy> won't be getting an s6 cos its waaaay too fkin big
[07:19:21] <crutchy> its a phablet
[07:20:23] <crutchy> hmm. actually maybe not. just found a different shot that makes it look a bit smaller. still much bigger than the s4 mini though
[07:21:17] <crutchy> when you stick the phone in one of those rubbery anti-smash cases you add about a quarter inch around the edge
[07:25:18] <juggs> what size screen is it?
[07:25:55] <crutchy> 5.1"
[07:26:08] <juggs> hardly pocketable then :D
[07:26:17] <crutchy> nod
[07:26:39] <juggs> I must be an old fart, I still like tiny phones
[07:27:27] <crutchy> even the s4 mini has a screen that is too big and its only 4.3"
[07:27:58] <crutchy> if i want to use a big screen, i use a laptop (or pc)
[07:28:02] <ar> i use Jolla and it's ok for my hands and pockets
[07:28:46] <ar> it has a 4.5" screen
[07:29:59] <crutchy> wtf is up with their website? https://jolla.com
[07:30:00] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Jolla smartphone
[07:30:11] <crutchy> the whole page moves with the mouse!?
[07:30:11] <chromas> 5" fits in a pocket unless you're a woman
[07:30:46] <crutchy> women can carry full size tablets cos they have handbags that go on forever
[07:31:04] <chromas> that's why they can take the full 10"
[07:31:18] <chromas> but their pockets, if any, are usually 2"
[07:31:18] <crutchy> yesh :p
[07:31:43] <crutchy> they can even fit balls in with their tablet
[07:32:19] <SirFinkus> awful website
[07:32:40] <crutchy> SirFinkus, yeah gotta agree
[07:32:45] <crutchy> flash--
[07:32:45] <Bender> karma - flash: -4
[07:32:54] <crutchy> anything_that_looks_like_flash--
[07:32:54] <Bender> karma - anything_that_looks_like_flash: -1
[07:32:58] <SirFinkus> oh shit, it's in flash?
[07:33:11] <crutchy> i dunno. might be html5 shyte
[07:33:16] <ar> i usually have a laptop bag with me, in which i keep an 8" tablet, a spare phone (usually used as a lte wifi AP) and a laptop
[07:33:29] <SirFinkus> http://www.evangelcathedral.net obligitory
[07:33:30] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Evangel Cathedral
[07:33:38] <ar> crutchy: it doesn't do anything funny here
[07:33:48] <ar> (the website that is)
[07:34:04] <crutchy> its got some kinda weird mouse following thing where the page layers shift
[07:34:13] <SirFinkus> you're gonna need sound btw
[07:34:18] * chromas hands crutchy noscript
[07:34:48] <crutchy> haha. entire background disappears with noscript :p
[07:34:53] <ar> huh
[07:35:01] <SirFinkus> at least it doesn't hijack scrolling
[07:35:22] <crutchy> and can't read the 'unlike' text cos its same color as bg
[07:35:33] <ar> also, i'm waiting for this: https://www.kickstarter.com
[07:35:34] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03TOHKBD — The Other Half Keyboard for your Jolla by Dirk — Kickstarter
[07:35:43] * crutchy disables css
[07:35:55] <ar> and this: https://www.indiegogo.com
[07:35:56] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Jolla Tablet - worlds first crowdsourced tablet | Indiegogo
[07:36:02] <crutchy> omg! there's a whole bunch of stuff if you disable all the crap
[07:36:56] <crutchy> wtf is wrong with web designers?
[07:37:17] <SirFinkus> I think it's less the designers, and more the people hiringthem
[07:37:27] <SirFinkus> one guy does the whole parallax scrolling thing
[07:37:40] <SirFinkus> someone sees it, and hires a designer to make the same thing
[07:37:42] <SirFinkus> and so on
[07:37:53] <SirFinkus> it was clever the first time, but now everyone wants it
[07:38:04] <crutchy> someone needs to come up with a cure for this kind of brain damage
[07:38:33] <crutchy> brickicillin
[07:39:37] <SirFinkus> these ones a great though http://www.sharperfx.com
[07:39:38] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03K&K Mime Ministries
[07:40:07] <crutchy> this is an example of an awesome website: http://o.my.to :D
[07:40:08] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03o.my.to
[07:40:42] <chromas> too flashy
[07:40:49] <SirFinkus> I love the audacity of having a "replay" button
[07:40:49] <chromas> too many colors
[07:40:49] * crutchy is ashamed
[07:41:03] <chromas> you'd better be
[07:41:47] <chromas> ciri: it's not racist for black guys to wear whiteface
[07:43:49] <JamesNZ> crutchy: If there's anything to be ashamed about, it's this :P https://github.com
[07:43:50] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Commits · crutchy-/exec-irc-bot · GitHub
[07:43:51] <chromas> that jolla phone is thick
[07:44:12] <chromas> which is something you shouldn't say about a woman :D
[07:44:39] <crutchy> JamesNZ, that guy is efficient with his commit messages
[07:44:46] <crutchy> no fluff
[07:45:00] <SirFinkus> all that really matters
[07:45:00] <JamesNZ> s/efficient/lazy/ ;)
[07:45:03] <ar> chromas: not really
[07:45:05] <chromas> crutchy: you should make it use ciri quotes
[07:45:09] * JamesNZ wanders off to do the dishes
[07:45:10] <crutchy> lol
[07:45:11] <ciri> it's not that funny :)
[07:45:17] <SirFinkus> it compresses well
[07:45:19] <chromas> ar: you sure? she might throw a book at you
[07:45:34] <ar> chromas: it fits fine in the phone-pocket in my jacket
[07:45:36] <SirFinkus> I hope ciri dies of cuntrot
[07:45:50] <ar> chromas: im' talking about >that jolla phone is thick
[07:45:50] <crutchy> JamesNZ, you should try it. all i do is "git up" and it adds, commits and pushes
[07:46:14] <chromas> they could stack four or five usb ports in the thickness of it :)
[07:46:14] <ar> TBH, i'd say that most phones these days are too thin to grab comfortably
[07:46:30] <chromas> or use a full size b port
[07:46:46] <crutchy> cuntrot? is that some sort of equine fungus?
[07:46:51] <SirFinkus> I wish that the phones were the same size as they were, but they just filled the remaining with battery
[07:47:12] <SirFinkus> knowing ciri, probably
[07:47:32] <chromas> I've hear that about recent phones. Mine's okay to use, but I don't talk on it much. the real problem is the sharp corners make it harder to shove into a pocket
[07:47:54] <crutchy> too bad round corners are patented
[07:48:20] <chromas> oh and it's got glass on all sides; apple didn't shit itself
[07:48:41] <ar> SirFinkus: i wish i could buy a phone with the formfactor of nokia 3310, but with lte radios, wifi accesspoint and similiar battery life to that of the old nokia when not using these features
[07:49:02] <chromas> ew
[07:49:03] <crutchy> yeah i dunno why they would put glass on the back. maybe they really are trying to win over apple fanatics
[07:49:07] <chromas> when a phone is just a phone
[07:49:30] <chromas> pocket_computers++
[07:49:30] <Bender> karma - pocket_computers: 2
[07:49:46] <SirFinkus> you can still get those kinds of phones
[07:49:59] <SirFinkus> I think some of them might even have snake
[07:50:01] <crutchy> they should put a phone in a ti-83
[07:50:23] <chromas> even those phones are higher resolution than the ti-83
[07:50:47] * chromas wants high-resolution, antialiases graphs
[07:50:51] <crutchy> you can play doom on the ti-83 so it must be awesomer
[07:51:00] <chromas> s/s/d/5
[07:51:00] <sedctl> <chromas> wants high-resolution, antialiases graphd
[07:51:04] <chromas> dang
[07:55:24] <ar> https://github.com
[07:55:25] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03kanaka/mal · GitHub
[08:35:44] <JamesNZ> crutchy: Nah, that would never work for me.
[08:39:32] <Subsentient> crutchy: ^
[08:39:40] <Subsentient> $sticky search youtube
[08:39:40] <aqu4> Matching sticky IDs: 8, 14
[08:39:44] <Subsentient> $sticky read 14
[08:39:44] <aqu4> Created by "Subsentient" at 03/01/2015 20:30:19 UTC: https://www.youtube.com
[08:39:56] <crutchy> swoyt
[08:40:09] <crutchy> how did you do the connection keep thing?
[08:40:29] <crutchy> i looked around for a hack but couldn't find much
[08:40:45] <crutchy> (besides using a bnc)
[08:41:06] <Subsentient> crutchy: because I use exec() and the PID doesn't change, I can write the network socket descriptor to a file and have the new instance load it and resume the connection
[08:41:57] <crutchy> ah. i did read about that kinda thing but it was a bit mixed
[08:42:13] <crutchy> Subsentient++
[08:42:13] <Bender> karma - subsentient: 29
[08:42:52] <Subsentient> crutchy: Wanna witness the glory? :^D
[08:42:54] <Subsentient> $restart
[08:42:54] <aqu4> Be right back.
[08:42:55] <aqu4> New aqu4bot instance loaded. Rebuilding list of users in channels. Please wait...
[08:43:00] <crutchy> hehe
[08:43:02] <aqu4> Restart completed.
[08:43:10] <Subsentient> crutchy: :^3
[08:43:18] <crutchy> A+
[08:43:58] <Subsentient> crutchy: That's something I should have done a very long time ago.
[08:44:06] <crutchy> i'm back into a bit of web programming for a work app lately
[08:44:34] <crutchy> i wanted to make it work for exec, but i get distracted easily
[08:45:12] * crutchy wonders if exec restarts with the same pid
[08:45:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Challenging College Admissions Situation Facing Asian Americans - http://sylnt.us - its-a-different-equality
[08:45:23] <Subsentient> $sticky read 8
[08:45:23] <aqu4> Created by "Subsentient" at 11/23/2014 04:21:56 UTC: https://www.youtube.com
[08:45:26] <Subsentient> crutchy: ^
[08:46:16] <crutchy> yummy
[08:46:42] <Subsentient> crutchy: I love how Hedonismbot ignores aqu4.
[08:46:48] <Subsentient> Allows all sorts of trolling opportunities
[08:47:01] <crutchy> i think exec ignores most bots too
[08:47:16] <crutchy> otherwise there would be madness and mahem :p
[08:47:33] <SirFinkus> is that what happens when you do too much cocaine?
[08:47:35] <Subsentient> aqu4 doesn't really ignore anyone right now I think
[08:47:37] <Subsentient> $blacklist list
[08:47:37] <aqu4> 9 blacklisted vhosts found:
[08:47:38] <aqu4> [1] Khyber!*@*
[08:47:39] <aqu4> [2] bacon!bacon@*
[08:47:40] <aqu4> [3] deadbeef!*@*
[08:47:41] <aqu4> [4] juggler!*@*
[08:47:41] <aqu4> [5] *!*@47-85-184-52.dhcp.knwc.wa.charter.com
[08:47:42] <aqu4> [6] *!*@62-31-652-122.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com
[08:47:43] <aqu4> [7] ciri!*@*
[08:47:44] <aqu4> [8] tama!*@*
[08:47:45] <aqu4> [9] *!dogfart@*
[08:47:45] <aqu4> End of blacklist list.
[08:48:00] <crutchy> hmm. doesn't ignore aqu4
[08:48:01] <Subsentient> I stand corrected.
[08:48:03] <chromas> poor dogfart
[08:48:13] <Subsentient> crutchy: aqu4 is hardcoded to ignore herself.
[08:49:54] <Subsentient> crutchy: https://github.com
[08:49:56] <crutchy> ~minion new gir
[08:49:56] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03aqu4bot/commands.c at master · Subsentient/aqu4bot · GitHub
[08:52:41] <crutchy> wholly carp. exec restarts with the same pid too
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[08:53:32] <Subsentient> crutchy: That's to be expected because exec runs in the php interpreter and can just be 'reloaded'
[08:53:46] <Subsentient> aqu4bot needs to have the new binary loaded.
[08:54:18] <crutchy> it uses pcntl_exec
[08:54:24] <crutchy> ~php pcntl_exec
[08:54:25] <exec> void pcntl_exec( string $path [, array $args [, array $envs]] )
[08:54:25] <exec> http://php.net
[08:54:46] <crutchy> "Executes specified program in current process space"
[08:56:47] <Subsentient> crutchy: ahh
[08:56:55] <Subsentient> crutchy: Yeah that's about right then
[08:59:35] <Subsentient> $tail #Soylent 3
[08:59:37] <aqu4> [2014-06-27 10:23:15 UTC] (#Soylent) SedBot: <crutchy> i'm sure many people do
[08:59:38] <aqu4> [2014-06-27 10:25:29 UTC] (#Soylent) crutchy: you have to check the scramjet extra
[08:59:39] <aqu4> [2014-06-27 10:25:53 UTC] (#Soylent) crutchy: must be pretty busy tonight
[08:59:39] <aqu4> End of tail.
[08:59:45] <Subsentient> $tail #soylent 3
[08:59:47] <aqu4> [2014-06-27 10:23:15 UTC] (#Soylent) SedBot: <crutchy> i'm sure many people do
[08:59:48] <aqu4> [2014-06-27 10:25:29 UTC] (#Soylent) crutchy: you have to check the scramjet extra
[08:59:48] <aqu4> [2014-06-27 10:25:53 UTC] (#Soylent) crutchy: must be pretty busy tonight
[08:59:49] <aqu4> End of tail.
[08:59:52] <Subsentient> hmm
[08:59:54] <Subsentient> how odd
[08:59:55] <ciri> not sure
[09:12:38] <crutchy> hmm. i can't find shit about it with google, but i wonder if i could just use fopen on the socket file under /proc/$pid/fd
[09:16:00] <crutchy> not sure what file though :/
[09:16:23] <crutchy> might be able to figure out from /proc/$pid/net/tcp
[09:16:57] <crutchy> only one way to find out :p
[09:19:48] <Subsentient> crutchy: So, why your bot in PHP?
[09:20:09] <crutchy> familiarity
[09:20:27] <Subsentient> ahh
[09:20:28] <Subsentient> crutchy: http://pastebin.com
[09:20:29] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03<Subsentient> $pageall <aqu4> kermit telex erry jzk doge Raccoon^ SlashLife sre - Pastebin.com
[09:23:01] <crutchy> i dunno what a socket handle actually contains
[09:23:09] <crutchy> should prolly find out
[09:23:37] <Subsentient> crutchy: in C it's just an integer
[09:23:46] <Subsentient> so I write it to a file in binary mode
[09:23:55] <Subsentient> and have the new instance read it back in binary mode.
[09:26:11] * Subsentient pokes crutchy for not paying attention to him
[09:26:29] * crutchy was paying attention
[09:26:43] <crutchy> trying to make google not be stoopid
[09:26:55] <chromas> too bad. give him a spank, Subsentient!
[09:27:04] <Subsentient> $burrito crutchy
[09:27:04] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at crutchy
[09:27:27] * crutchy is curious about what said integer actually means
[09:27:43] <crutchy> its a file descriptor i guess
[09:27:47] <Subsentient> crutchy: It's just a number that the OS assigns to the socket for that program
[09:27:47] <crutchy> whatever that means
[09:27:57] <Subsentient> crutchy: and yes, it's basically a file descriptor
[09:28:30] * crutchy is trying to see if he can map the number to something in /proc/$pid
[09:28:43] <crutchy> s/number/descriptor/
[09:28:43] <sedctl> <crutchy> is trying to see if he can map the descriptor to something in /proc/$pid
[09:29:04] <Subsentient> crutchy: Explain precisely what you're trying to do
[09:29:21] <Subsentient> And I will tell you it's impossible and that you are dumb.
[09:29:41] <chromas> id we get a new poutine?
[09:30:00] <Subsentient> chromas: lol
[09:30:03] <Subsentient> ++chromas
[09:30:03] <Hedonismbot> Karma - chromas: 2
[09:30:58] <crutchy> Subsentient, i'm curious about finding the socket file (in the filesystem)
[09:31:15] <Subsentient> crutchy: it doesn't exist there
[09:31:27] <Subsentient> I doubt it'd be in proc either
[09:31:27] <crutchy> (in linux)
[09:31:40] <crutchy> there are sockets in /proc/$pid
[09:32:18] <crutchy> s/$/\/fd/
[09:32:18] <sedctl> <crutchy> there are sockets in /proc/$pid/fd
[09:32:24] <chromas> anything in /proc/$pid/fd/?
[09:32:32] <chromas> aw
[09:32:44] <chromas> damn rendering, makin' my puter slow
[09:33:00] <crutchy> there's 3 sockets in exec's proc directory
[09:33:08] <crutchy> not sure what they're for though
[09:33:38] <chromas> crutchy: you should just have to store the descriptor somewhere then load it in the new exec
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[09:33:53] <chromas> the newly exec()ed exec
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[11:46:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:46:35] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1139
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[12:18:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> congrats, Subsentient
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[13:14:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, nick
[13:14:41] <nick> g'day tmb
[13:14:47] <nick> how goes things?
[13:14:48] <ciri> very carefully and then some
[13:15:00] <nick> ¬_¬
[13:15:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, slow today. slept more than usual and having a hard time waking up.
[13:16:03] <nick> strangely the opposite for me - woke up early and had a really productive morning
[13:16:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, that's the norm for me. do my best work 5am-10am
[13:16:51] <nick> i'm in good spirits as the client i did work for last summer but ran owing me thousands, after 5months of hiding from me has finally got in contact.
[13:17:24] <nick> 5am is a damn early start
[13:17:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> woot
[13:17:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, it makes it easier to not have two different times for fishing vs working though
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[13:19:02] <nick> true, i spin my day the other way. Useless in the early hours if i have to talk to anyone.
[13:19:13] <nick> visiting new clients at 8am is a sure way for me not to get the job
[13:20:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but if you'd been up since five with nobody bugging you cause the world's still asleep, you'd already be good by 8.
[13:20:24] <nick> heh, true
[13:20:51] <nick> although i like it the other way around, being the last person still awake when the world is just waking up.
[13:21:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> honestly i got stuck on it cause of a disjointed internal clock that wouldn't keep a 24h schedule
[13:21:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> when i finally said "screw you, internal clock, you shall bend to my will" i was getting up at 5
[13:22:49] <nick> if it works for you then damn right
[13:23:19] <nick> the whole morning thing isn't exactly relevant anymore anyway as people dont just work daylight hours anymore
[13:23:25] <nick> or a vague approximation to it
[13:23:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> does. i usually have like 2-3h before pj or nc are even awake to get stuff done in here.
[13:23:56] <nick> making the rest of us look bad ;)
[13:24:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> zactly
[13:25:35] <nick> seeing dave grohl makes me slightly angry now, after that damn HBO show.
[13:25:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, it doesn't bother me at all to not know who in the world that is
[13:26:37] <nick> Foo Fighters guys/Nirvana drummer
[13:26:41] <nick> now you know!
[13:26:42] <nick> :p
[13:26:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> ah, nod nod
[13:26:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> should have known anyway
[13:27:34] <nick> they did a foo fighters show, travelling the 'music capitals' or something of the US, then writing a song about the place and recording it in an iconic studio
[13:28:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh
[13:28:25] <nick> the documentary element of the show was alright, but the music was so shitty and his lyrics just ooze cheese and being forced to namecheck the important people from the city.
[13:28:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah that was a pretty lame idea
[13:28:48] <nick> people/bands/songs or whatever it happened to be
[13:29:11] <nick> i liked the idea, but it just all sounded like regular old foo fighters shit, with worse lyrics than usual
[13:29:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> he prolly got paid good for it though
[13:29:36] <nick> oh, i'm sure he did, not that he really needs it.
[13:29:54] <nick> probably the 3rd richest drummer in the world, after ringo starr and phil collins.
[13:30:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> them toilet seats ain't gonna gold plate themselves
[13:31:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> 4th, don't forget ronnie wood
[13:31:49] <nick> heh
[13:32:05] <nick> personally i try and block the rolling stones from memory ;)
[13:32:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> though i spose he wouldn't get royalties on their really popular older stuff
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[13:32:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, janrinok
[13:32:57] <nick> ahoy janrinok
[13:33:06] <janrinok> afternoon to you both
[13:33:19] <janrinok> a bit nautical today, nick?
[13:34:48] <nick> has to be done sometimes
[13:35:08] <nick> sail the seven seas and all that jazz
[13:35:23] <janrinok> damn, nbau
[13:35:31] <janrinok> damn, nautical and musical
[13:35:51] <nick> although actual sailing can fuck right off
[13:35:51] * janrinok notes that his fingers haven't woken up yet
[13:36:01] <nick> need a nice motor in that boat.
[13:36:07] <janrinok> had a good weekend?
[13:36:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> nothing wrong with sailing if you're the captain n got a good crew so you ain't gotta work yourself.
[13:36:51] <nick> yeah, not too bad, was working most of it though
[13:37:04] <janrinok> a good, pretty crew helps too
[13:37:35] <nick> that sounds more more my style
[13:37:47] <nick> how goes yourself, janrinok?
[13:37:48] <ciri> not sure
[13:37:57] <janrinok> nick: sry to hear that. Guessed you might have been. LamX showed up briefly yesterday. He's changed jobs and doing an 80 hour week I think he said...
[13:38:17] * nick beats ciri with an inanimate carbon rod
[13:38:54] <janrinok> I physically well, but on a bit of a downer after watching the weekend trolls and ACs run amok on the stories. Bit demoralizing really...
[13:39:21] <nick> work was good for a weekend, actually got paid on the day which is a rare treat
[13:39:29] <nick> :(
[13:39:41] <nick> i havn't actually checked any stories over the weekend
[13:39:44] <janrinok> work and money - well that's the best combination if you have to do the former.
[13:39:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://www.scmp.com
[13:39:59] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Asians face extra pitfalls on path to Ivy League universities | South China Morning Post
[13:39:59] <nick> just ac trolling all stories?
[13:40:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> ^^ if either of you two feel like subbing that up
[13:40:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> i can't be arsed today
[13:41:07] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard: didn't we post that at 08:15 UTC?
[13:41:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> did we? thought it looked familiar
[13:42:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> toldja i wasn't up to form today
[13:43:42] <janrinok> lol
[13:44:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> feel almost hung over really
[13:45:25] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard: I hope that you enjoyed the getting there as opposed to the after-effects
[13:45:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> no booze, just too much sleep and too much age
[13:46:48] <janrinok> not a good kind of hang-over but I get too little sleep and too much age which makes me feel crap
[13:49:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'why i'm fucking around grinding trade skills on an mmo instead of reading pj's pull request over. can't trust my brain yet.
[13:49:51] <janrinok> take it easy, its all voluntary....
[13:50:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but we got a bit of a rush on the 15_03 release if we wanna get it out before st pat's
[13:50:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> some of it's mod stuff so we gotta RFC it up as well
[13:51:33] <janrinok> ooh, I'm going to stay away on that day - that always leads to a long commenting session...
[13:51:51] <nick> heh
[13:52:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth. got a pretty good stack of em on the asians in college story too though
[13:52:28] <janrinok> ... which usually goes the full circle and ends with people saying that whatever you just did was not as good as it used to be
[13:52:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but it's always the same people saying that. they just dislike ANY change
[13:53:09] <janrinok> it was ever thus
[13:53:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm generally one of em but something gotta be done cause i do NOT want us having /.'s signal:noise ratio from using their unmodified system
[13:55:49] <janrinok> agreed - but making the right change will not be easy
[13:55:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[13:57:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> thus the RFCs. crowdsourcing ideas and constructive criticism both.
[13:57:59] <janrinok> nods back
[13:59:31] <nick> Wired merges 100k posts, 12 databases, and 17 blogs into 1 WordPress install - http://wired.com
[13:59:31] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Our Director of Engineering on the New WIRED.com | WIRED ( http://www.wired.com )
[13:59:33] <nick> problem solved!
[13:59:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> ?
[14:00:09] <nick> wordpress!
[14:00:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, there we go, scrap slashcode and install wordpress!
[14:00:22] <nick> ;)
[14:00:59] <nick> what could go wrong?
[14:02:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> if we ever decide to completely revamp the UI just because it's old, someone beat us with a stick until the insanity passes
[14:03:15] <nick> i think there would be more than someone
[14:03:18] <nick> would be a collective
[14:03:28] <nick> lots of sticks and lots of beatings
[14:03:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> good good
[14:04:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> I should sub that
[14:05:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> gimme a couple more cigarettes n some more coffee and i believe i will
[14:06:47] <janrinok> which reminds me - time for tea
[14:06:50] <janrinok> tea++
[14:06:50] <Bender> karma - tea: 427
[14:07:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> a fine engine, that
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[15:11:50] <mrcoolbp> coffee++
[15:11:50] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1140
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[15:31:22] <paulej72> good morning folks. I was driving up to Princeton this morning from Cape May as the weather was lousy yesterday and overnight. nice thing we had a 1 hour delay in opening.
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[15:33:55] <mrcoolbp> mornin' paulej72
[15:34:04] <mrcoolbp> how are tings ?
[15:34:04] <ciri> how how brown cow
[15:35:21] <paulej72> get power back at work mrcoolbp
[15:35:40] <paulej72> I just got into work so I am still in coffee mode
[15:36:09] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: yeah, only took 1.5 hrs
[15:36:33] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: but it's not fun to be in a full restaurant, and have to calculate all the receipts by hand
[15:36:37] <mrcoolbp> in the dark
[15:36:44] <mrcoolbp> second time in 2 months ...
[15:36:59] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: I worked ~80 hours this week = (
[15:37:10] <paulej72> did you loose any food, or did the refigeration systems hold out
[15:38:18] <mrcoolbp> we took everything from the line, put in the walk-in cooler, and ordered dry ice. Standard op
[15:38:37] <mrcoolbp> power came on about 15 minutes after we finished = )
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[15:46:26] <Subsentient> $restart nosave
[15:46:26] <aqu4> Be right back.
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[15:46:27] <ciri> me too, smoke time! aqu4
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[15:46:54] <Subsentient> $restart nosave
[15:46:54] <aqu4> Be right back.
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[15:54:43] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: CbN interview article inbound: 5 min
[15:54:56] <mrcoolbp> brb
[15:59:00] <paulej72> saw
[16:02:58] <paulej72> site downtime article posted
[16:04:42] <janrinok> paulej72: checked and gone....
[16:11:19] <paulej72> thanks janrinok
[16:21:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Site Downtime on Saturday March 7 - http://sylnt.us
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[17:07:55] <SirFinkus> neat
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[17:45:02] <stale-phaart> hahahahaheehehooo! an interview with cowboyneal? I mean, its am awesome idea...but what the fuck were you thinking?
[17:47:16] <stale-phaart> id be pretty damn surprised to see a majority of coments that arent trolls and insults!
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[20:56:18] <crutchy> coffee++
[20:56:18] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1141
[20:58:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> naps++
[20:58:54] <Bender> karma - naps: 20
[21:10:10] <crutchy> fucking php
[21:10:55] <crutchy> does perl enable you to get a pointer to an address in process memory, like c/pascal?
[21:11:22] <crutchy> php's variables are just pretend pointers :(
[21:11:41] <crutchy> prolly just means i need to rewrite exec in pascal :p
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[21:13:18] <crutchy> would be much slicker in pascal anyway
[21:14:28] <chromas> I trying to use pointers now?
[21:15:09] <chromas> Stuff them everywhere
[21:17:37] <crutchy> pointers++
[21:17:37] <Bender> karma - pointers: 1
[21:17:54] <crutchy> female_pointers++
[21:17:54] <Bender> karma - female_pointers: 1
[21:24:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - RFC: Reworking Karma Redux - http://sylnt.us - lingerie
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[21:46:04] <ar> http://store.steampowered.com - lol
[21:46:05] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03how do you Do It? on Steam
[21:53:15] <nick> thats very silly
[21:54:05] <nick> whats more silly, is being on rushlimbaugh.com and reading "I mean, you're never gonna see RushLimbaugh.com at the top of anything unless I'm in trouble, for example. " (in regard to google search and net neutrality)
[21:54:32] <nick> except the only reason i was on rushlimbaugh.com was because it was the second result from a google news search on the word "neutrality"
[22:02:36] <paulej72> RFC Karma 2.0 is getting some traction
[22:43:58] <nick> seriously in need of submissions if anyone has stumbled upon any stories today
[22:46:01] <mechanicjay> Have something that's entertaining, just need to finish a couple emails and figure out how to wrap it in a meaningful submission. ...Stand by
[22:47:21] <nick> thanks mechanicjay
[22:55:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Privacy International's Campaign to Disclose Illegal GCHQ Spying - http://sylnt.us - damned-if-you-do
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[23:12:03] <nick> chromas++
[23:12:03] <Bender> karma - chromas: 70
[23:17:34] <mechanicjay> How many Retro Computing articles can I sub in one day before getting yelled at?
[23:19:51] <nick> you can sub as many as you like, but for the sake of sanity they probably wont be used on that same day
[23:21:26] <mechanicjay> I want a retro computing nexus
[23:27:54] <nick> that would be fine/cool/good
[23:28:30] <paulej72> nick: I was involved in two stories today. Posted one and commissioned a second
[23:29:49] <nick> wasnt directed at you, paulej72, just a general call for help
[23:30:11] <paulej72> yeah I know :)
[23:30:14] <nick> we got down to 1 submission in the queue for a few minutes, and that one isnt even a story
[23:35:35] <chromas> writing_summaries--
[23:35:36] <Bender> karma - writing_summaries: -1
[23:37:02] <mechanicjay> writing_summaries--
[23:37:02] <Bender> karma - writing_summaries: -2