#Soylent | Logs for 2015-02-27

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[00:00:19] <mrcoolbp> lol
[00:06:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think not putting the accent on the e in touche was the best troll evar.
[00:06:20] <chromas> are they talking about it?
[00:06:37] <chromas> if you do change it, make it douché
[00:06:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, it gets brought up in every mod-related conversation.
[00:06:43] <chromas> see if they notice
[00:07:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, i really need to quit dicking around and get that pizza in the oven.
[00:07:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, you're in charge of honking people off till i get back. don't let me down.
[00:08:35] <mrcoolbp> I'm not sure how my wife will feel about it, but she's not home so, take one for the team I guess...
[00:08:46] <chromas> Bender: grab mrcoolbp
[00:08:46] <Bender> Added quote 396
[00:09:28] * mrcoolbp kicks chromas into the next visible universe
[00:10:20] * chromas notes the distinct lack of Bender booze and rotten $burritos
[00:10:50] <mrcoolbp> the'll get those, they are only a few years behind us
[00:11:40] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: you should head to the FCC article to fullfill you duty
[00:11:52] <mrcoolbp> oh, okay, he was serious
[00:12:13] <paulej72> Yeah we are trying to get that article up over 100
[00:12:14] <mrcoolbp> was there already but am doing like 234,563,435,754 things right now
[00:12:18] <chromas> arguments on the internet are always serious
[00:12:34] <paulej72> no they are not!!!
[00:12:42] <chromas> oh yes they are!!12
[00:13:13] <arti> http://www.theguardian.com
[00:13:17] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Isis fighters destroy ancient artefacts at Mosul museum | World news | The Guardian
[00:13:35] * mrcoolbp sells arti to isis
[00:13:35] <paulej72> not they anr not 11!!1!!!!!11
[00:13:50] <paulej72> :P
[00:14:02] <mrcoolbp> double-stamp
[00:14:06] <chromas> hey, 'we' could change the logo to an animated hypnotoad for a day, and have it say "subscribe" underneath
[00:14:25] <paulej72> LOL
[00:14:25] <ciri> rofl
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[00:14:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Bot Created to Find Love Online - http://sylnt.us - no-love-for-ciri
[00:14:55] <chromas> ciri++
[00:14:55] <Bender> karma - ciri: -37
[00:14:58] <arti> loool
[00:15:05] <chromas> ciri++ # for getting bylined
[00:15:05] <Bender> karma - ciri: -36
[00:15:11] <paulej72> wow that is an inside dept
[00:15:52] <arti> that's awesome
[00:18:14] <mrcoolbp> gratz arti
[00:18:21] <mrcoolbp> you made the big time
[00:18:35] <arti> i tell big time with my big boy pants
[00:20:52] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard, paulej72: I have nothing left in me for 'honking off' the SNers today, wicked long day
[00:22:25] <arti> :D
[00:22:26] <slash2phar> verizon press release in morse. what a bunch of sore losers
[00:27:20] <SirFinkus> classy
[00:28:28] <SirFinkus> I love the faux typewriter pdf
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[00:28:59] <arti> verizon are fucks
[00:29:21] <SpallsHurgenson> they brought it down upon themselves
[00:29:23] <arti> "we're title II when we need infrastructure!"
[00:29:35] <SpallsHurgenson> s/infrastructure/money/
[00:30:41] <arti> i'd really enjoy seeing the managment receive dollar sign tattoos on their faces, and something else that represents "asshole"
[00:31:12] <arti> should make a genie script full of wish inspiration
[00:31:20] <SpallsHurgenson> hey, we live in the 21st century... we can actually give them a tatoo that looks like an asshole :)
[00:32:09] <everdred> "It looks like a goat, see?"
[00:32:32] <SpallsHurgenson> I must be tired, I had to read that three times before I got the joke
[00:33:48] <SpallsHurgenson> now we just need some lawsuits to get put into action to force the issue so teh telecoms will actually obey the rulings
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[00:42:33] * SpallsHurgenson finally got Windows 10 Preview working happily with virtualbox...
[00:43:20] <SpallsHurgenson> still waaaay too metro'y for me to use, or even recommend
[00:48:22] mechanicjay is now known as mechanicjay|away
[00:57:12] <SirFinkus> has windows ever had a release that looked good?
[00:58:11] <SpallsHurgenson> I liked 7 after a few minor tweaks
[00:58:26] <SpallsHurgenson> (mostly something to keep the damn windows at the size and position I left 'em)
[00:59:42] <SpallsHurgenson> 95 was a refreshing UI after Win3's progman (although explorer took a bit of getting used to; I liked fileman more) and 98SE was a nice evolution
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[01:16:25] <SpallsHurgenson> win10 still pushes too hard towards microsoft online services; you can't use half the applets it comes with unless you create and log-in with a microsoft account
[01:29:43] <paulej72> wait for the enterprise version
[01:30:05] <paulej72> noone will want to do ms logons with enterprise systems
[01:38:47] <SpallsHurgenson> the app store was most disappointing; MS had the opportunity to make a curated repository but instead they focused on monetization
[01:41:03] <swiss> i like the metro interface
[01:41:12] <swiss> so damn nice for the way I like doing splits on a screen
[01:41:25] <swiss> and all my workflow
[01:42:39] <SpallsHurgenson> the win10 start menu remains an abomination
[01:43:56] <swiss> i loved the metro start
[01:44:58] <SpallsHurgenson> yes, but you eat a lot of paint chips :)
[01:47:31] <swiss> lol
[01:47:31] <ciri> heh
[01:47:43] <swiss> half the time i pop metro up just to do widget things
[01:47:51] <swiss> then when i want to start shit, i just type and start it up
[01:48:08] <swiss> having a desktop is so 2000's
[01:48:24] <slash2phar> 1970s
[01:48:36] <swiss> metro is the keyboard-centric dream for me
[01:50:46] <SpallsHurgenson> I have enough shit to remember without having to bother to remember the names of all my apps so I can type them in. I got a nice, orderly hierarchal menu so I don't have to strain my brain :)
[01:51:27] <SpallsHurgenson> (brb)
[01:51:31] <swiss> that's what the stupid-people's menu on the screen-below is for
[02:10:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha, beta's dead
[02:11:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://slashdot.org
[02:11:10] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03The Only Constant is Change - Slashdot ( http://slashdot.org )
[02:12:04] <SirFinkus> "But if you were one of the users who commented on the superiority of the Classic UX, we agree."
[02:12:31] <SirFinkus> I'd hardly call "switching back after a year and a half of bitching from our userbase" agreeing
[02:12:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[02:12:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> man i just looked over there to RTFA and it's actively painful
[02:13:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> the layout i mean
[02:13:34] <SirFinkus> If you had fallen in love with Beta and are now seeing Classic for the first time, our apologies. from the things-that-never-happened department
[02:14:59] <juggs> HA!
[02:15:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, me, ima keep pushing us to be what /. shoulda been after all along. a news site for people who don't want flashy bs ui and videos n shat.
[02:15:26] <SirFinkus> anyway, I guess you guys can just pull the plug on soylent
[02:15:31] <SirFinkus> been fun
[02:15:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuck it, i'm still havin fun.
[02:16:15] <SirFinkus> hows the job board implementation coming anyway TheMightyBuzzard ?
[02:16:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> was there one?
[02:16:37] <SirFinkus> dice joke
[02:16:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, never noticed that bit of cruft
[02:16:52] * SirFinkus plays car crash noise
[02:17:16] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders a beta theme
[02:17:21] <SpallsHurgenson> I'd love to hear the real story behind Beta
[02:17:30] <SirFinkus> well, april 1st is coming up...
[02:17:45] <SirFinkus> idk if you guys can outdo bacon news though
[02:17:45] <SpallsHurgenson> was it the creation of the Big Boss's kid and nobody dared speak out against it?
[02:17:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> would be pretty awesome
[02:18:13] <SpallsHurgenson> were they betting the company on the hopes of gaining a new business-oriented audience that never materialized?
[02:18:26] <SirFinkus> it seemed like a pretty transparent way to fit more stuff that wasn't articles on the homepage, if you catch my drift
[02:18:35] <SpallsHurgenson> was there just a lot of lead in the coffee and everybody thought it was a great idea?
[02:18:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, just an artifact of remote corporate governance. nobody who understands the site is in a position to make decisions.
[02:19:11] <SirFinkus> also probably an image thing
[02:19:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> could be
[02:19:40] <SpallsHurgenson> image thing was what kept it around. can't admit you're wrong or the shareholders start to doubt the governance of their property
[02:19:46] <SirFinkus> dice is the hip company helping you hire web gurus, while slashdot had web design from the early 2000s
[02:20:42] <SirFinkus> I think most of the cool kids have moved on to reddit or hacker news anyway
[02:20:48] <SpallsHurgenson> anyone know if slashdot is taking advantage of any of the fixes rolled into slashcode from the past year?
[02:20:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> you want vetted web gurus, hire SN staff. you gotta be good (possibly insane too) to handle this stuff.
[02:21:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, no idea. doubt our codebases are very similar anymore though.
[02:21:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> other slash sites might be though.
[02:21:38] <SpallsHurgenson> it'd be nice if slashdot finally got unicode support one day :)
[02:21:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha
[02:21:46] <SirFinkus> but SN doesn't have scrolling parallax, and you NEED scrolling parallax
[02:21:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> be nice if it worked right on apache2 too
[02:22:22] <SirFinkus> it does
[02:22:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> new bug cropped up in it not letting you submit unicode posts just after i finished fixing not being able to edit them.
[02:22:28] <SirFinkus> oh wait
[02:22:30] <SirFinkus> nevermind
[02:22:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> subs rather
[02:22:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can unicode post to your heart's content.
[02:22:51] <SirFinkus> http://slashdot.jp well, idk if that runs slash
[02:22:53] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03スラッシュドット・ジャパン -- アレゲなニュースと雑談サイト
[02:22:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, of some variety
[02:23:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> Server: Apache/1.3.42 (Debian) mod_gzip/1.3.26.1a mod_perl/1.31
[02:24:15] <SirFinkus> http://slashdot.jp
[02:24:16] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03技術 | スラッシュドット・ジャパン
[02:24:22] <SirFinkus> yep, slash
[02:24:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> don axe me, i dont read most of those letters
[02:25:25] <SirFinkus> http://slashdot.jp well heres the source for .jp I guess
[02:25:26] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03code | スラッシュドット・ジャパン
[02:27:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> had some south american guys interested in what we were doing, dunno if they kept up with us.
[02:28:40] <SpallsHurgenson> geez, the FCC votes for net neutrality and slashdot kills beta... has anyone checked the temperature in hell?
[02:28:50] <SirFinkus> is pipedot still kicking?
[02:28:58] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah, it is
[02:29:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> jp has stories posted today as well
[02:29:16] <SpallsHurgenson> not much activity, but they still post the occassional story, see some comments
[02:29:30] <SpallsHurgenson> even add new features here and there
[02:30:05] <SirFinkus> .jp is basically old slashdot, they broke off from slashdot proper or something
[02:30:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[02:30:17] <SirFinkus> point is, dice doesn't own them
[02:30:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, they still use the old codebase
[02:30:47] <SpallsHurgenson> did soylent ever try to recruit the pipedot guy?
[02:31:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya mean bryan? bryan, want a job? long hours n no pay. whatcha think?
[02:31:43] <SpallsHurgenson> bryan is mr pipedot? I did not know that
[02:31:45] <SirFinkus> I remember there being some kind of interaction to that effect way back in the early days, but nothing really came of it as far as I can tell
[02:31:55] * SpallsHurgenson tips his hat to bryan; your site is cool :)
[02:32:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> php vs perl, code wouldn't have translated well.
[02:33:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> also we got a very solid underpinning of safe to use in any circumstance db use abstraction subs so we don't gotta write checks like he does.
[02:34:15] <SirFinkus> that sounds like tempting fate
[02:34:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> you'd think but not really.
[02:34:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> i even use em for my api
[02:34:48] * SirFinkus turns on his cosmic ray generators
[02:35:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> oob data checking is done inside all the db access subs cept sqlDo and we don't use it for anything with user input in it whatsoever.
[02:36:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> holy crap, lois lerner is under criminal investigation now too
[02:36:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> this is definitely a special day.
[02:37:12] * TheMightyBuzzard checks to make sure he didn't forget his birthday or something
[02:37:28] <SirFinkus> was that the IRS tea party lady?
[02:37:30] <SpallsHurgenson> maybe Somebody is trying to wrap things up certain storylines here before He ends the game :)
[02:37:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://www.washingtontimes.com
[02:37:32] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03IRS watchdog reveals Lois Lerner missing emails now subject of criminal investigation - Washington Times
[02:37:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> sir bingo
[02:37:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, damned vogons i bet
[02:38:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> so long and thanks for all the hot grits
[02:38:19] <SirFinkus> they really should just ask the NSA, I'm sure they have copies
[02:38:26] * SpallsHurgenson checks various poetry websites
[02:38:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, someone actually did
[02:39:38] <SirFinkus> well, to bring down everyones day, ISIS just smashed a bunch of priceless artifacts and posted a video
[02:39:50] <SirFinkus> but what else is new?
[02:40:49] <SpallsHurgenson> yes, but you just wait... soon they'll find out that it'll be something like those artifacts were alien mind-control devices that were making everybody in that region insane
[02:41:19] <SirFinkus> ISIS is actually the away team
[02:41:36] <SirFinkus> they're actually saving middle eastern civilization
[02:41:41] * SpallsHurgenson checks to see if SETI has detected alien signals... I mean, why not :)
[02:41:43] <SirFinkus> in ways we can't understand
[02:42:16] <SirFinkus> take comfort in the fact that we have ROBOTS ON MARS HOLY SHIT
[02:42:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> rather we had hippies on mars
[02:42:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> B Ark FTW
[02:42:57] <SpallsHurgenson> robots with LASERS even!
[02:44:02] <SpallsHurgenson> <chuckle> the other day I was looking at the handset of my landline. It was filthy so I got out some spray and a rag and I cleaned it up nicely. It occured to me when I was done that I had just sanitized my telephone. :-/
[02:44:38] <SpallsHurgenson> I've been keeping an eye out for the giant star goat ever since :)
[02:44:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> as well you should
[02:44:57] <SirFinkus> oh shit, it's beer o' clock
[02:45:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> is also round up the cats o'clock
[02:45:44] <SpallsHurgenson> it's only quarter past whiskey sour here
[02:46:24] <SirFinkus> oh TheMightyBuzzard, I have an in at a microbrewery, I'm going to try and get them to make cider too
[02:46:44] <SpallsHurgenson> cats make lousy cider
[02:47:11] <SirFinkus> I think cider could be the next microbrew
[02:50:59] <juggs> SirFinkus, I think you are probably right. There's definitely a niche to fill in artisan ciders.
[02:51:14] <SirFinkus> especially in Washington
[02:51:23] <SirFinkus> we're supposedly famous for our apples
[02:55:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> cider is the shiz. you can make something quite drinkable even from concentrate from the grocery store.
[02:55:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> lot less finicky than grapes
[02:57:40] <SpallsHurgenson> grapes are too french. that's why I call cider "freedom wine" :)
[02:58:28] <bryan> SpallsHurgenson: thx :P
[02:59:07] <bryan> pipedot is a good bit smaller than SN, but nearly identical goals
[02:59:43] <SpallsHurgenson> but a better color scheme :)
[03:00:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> hey now, no love for the pwnies?
[03:00:32] <bryan> there was a pink theme with pwnies last april fools day
[03:00:34] <SpallsHurgenson> no. no. no. nnnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooo. oh god no. and no.
[03:00:40] <bryan> did slashdot really kill beta?
[03:00:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks that way
[03:01:36] <SpallsHurgenson> mostly. they sort of went win10 on it, changed up classic a bit so it looks a little like beta but not too much.
[03:01:55] <bryan> oh wow, ya, they really pushed a lot of changes since i last looked a few days ago
[03:02:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[03:02:12] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Bob & Tom - Dickens Cider - YouTube
[03:02:21] <SirFinkus> isn't it just the default slash red?
[03:02:27] <SirFinkus> soylent I mean
[03:03:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, there's lots of themes for SN
[03:03:18] <SirFinkus> I mean the default
[03:03:19] <SpallsHurgenson> wonder if anybody got promoted sideways so they could push these changes through :)
[03:03:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, yeah just the red
[03:04:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> the vt100 one was fun to do. pwnies only took like 10m
[03:05:02] <SirFinkus> needs an amber variant
[03:05:19] <SirFinkus> amber > green
[03:06:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, not a bad idea
[03:06:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> long as we're talking beer colors though, might as well do a copper one too.
[03:06:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> may do that tomorrow for kicks
[03:14:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> yall're welcome to if ya like instead though. themes are easy enough
[03:15:11] * SirFinkus takes a peek
[03:15:15] <SirFinkus> just need the css file?
[03:16:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> well it'd help if you could do the icon too but we can always poke mrcoolbp with a stick until he makes a matching one.
[03:16:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> lemme see real quick
[03:17:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Schneier Punctures Schmidt's Puffed-Up Bubble - http://sylnt.us - as-only-schneier-can
[03:18:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> grab https://github.com or any of the theme-specific cssraws and edit them to your heart's content. only other changes necessary we can make ourselves.
[03:18:35] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03slashcode/bada55.cssraw at master · SoylentNews/slashcode · GitHub
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[03:19:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> i like using bada55 cause it's got the main color you needa search for right in the name
[03:19:32] <SirFinkus> cool, I'll take a peek, I imagine it's just going to be a find and replace job anyway
[03:20:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you got the web developer extension you can even easily add the css you're working on to the site and have a look.
[03:20:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, pretty much.
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[03:20:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can do up a cssraw in like 5m if you're not too particular about making sure everything looks perfect.
[03:22:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't speak for pj but i got no objection to making the themes list a mile long n filling it full of user-created ones.
[03:25:20] <juggs> small one time charge to add one - we'll call it "covering admin time costs" :D Nickel n dime, nickel n dime. :D
[03:27:32] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[03:28:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> in case i ain't mentioned it yet, i lurve my new boots. i can go tromping around until my feet are all tired n swolen and they're just big enough not to pinch n have a nice squishy bottom.
[03:28:50] <juggs> blech - I have something writing to disk every 2 seconds. All iotop shows me is kworker and jbd2. I'd suspect ext4 caching but I set noatime,commit=60 in fstab and it's still doing it :( I dislike my hdd light blinking all the time. Might have to reinstall with a different FS if this persists.
[03:29:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, good question. logs or something else non-caching maybe?
[03:30:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> i really can't tell cause my drive is almost always doing something
[03:31:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> you have relatime set on it?
[03:31:12] <juggs> newp - well at least as far as /var/log/* is concerned - nothing getting written there. Happens even when just booted to the login screen.
[03:31:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, gotta be system level shat then
[03:31:47] <SirFinkus> electrical tape works too
[03:31:58] <chromas> Blame systemd
[03:32:08] * juggs goggles relatime. I have ext4 errors=remount-ro,noatime,commit=60 0 1
[03:32:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> fair nuff, prolly is its fault
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[03:32:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> noatime works too
[03:32:25] <SirFinkus> there was a command to show which programs were using the disk, but I forgot it
[03:32:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> iotop
[03:32:31] <chromas> I used to have blinkenlight like that in windows too
[03:33:32] <juggs> iotop just shows kworker and jbd2 writing - hence why I suspect ext4 caching BS. Will boot to single user, no GUI and see if it persists there.
[03:33:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> it could be disk reads too though
[03:33:49] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, it's showing as writes according to iotop
[03:34:41] <SirFinkus> could be the NSA
[03:35:24] <SirFinkus> it's that malware that hides in the firmware
[03:35:43] <SirFinkus> I presume you know how to make thermite?
[03:36:33] <juggs> no but I have a bench grinder that will make short work of platters and control board :D Not quite a quick mind
[03:36:41] <juggs> as quick*
[03:36:51] <SirFinkus> well, you're gonna want some thermite
[03:37:18] <SirFinkus> unless you have an explosive that will work
[03:37:50] <SirFinkus> has to be a high explosive though, gunpowder doesn't count
[03:40:58] <juggs> I shall head to google right away and search on "how to make thermite or source C4 explosive" right this very minute... I'm sure that should up my X-KEYSCORE pretty good. The spooks should publish an X-KEYSCORE Hall Of Fame type thing so it becomes a game as to just how many indicators one can hit :D
[03:41:36] <SirFinkus> thermite is easy
[03:42:14] <SirFinkus> iron oxide + aluminium
[03:42:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggler, appears to be no solution via google
[03:42:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuckin autocomplete
[03:43:51] <SirFinkus> light it with a strip of magnesium
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[03:48:19] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, yar - seems to be an ext4 thing as far as I can work out. Just tried a recovery boot, dropped to runlevel 1 (if that still means what I think it does) and it was still happening. Ah well - perhaps a reinstall using XFS or Reiser is on the cards. Need to do some reading to see which is stable enough.
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[03:49:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, zfs or btrfs.
[03:49:57] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[03:50:10] <juggs> sorry.. XFS was a typo for ZFS - muscle memory not quite corrected yet for new keyboard
[03:50:25] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: heya back at ya
[03:50:30] <Bytram> !uid
[03:50:31] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5114, owned by guzzi
[03:50:51] <Bytram> huh? Nice bump!
[03:50:58] <Bytram> ~weather boston, ma
[03:50:59] <exec> 03Boston, MA, USA - currently 22°F, cloudy, wind NW at 5 mph, humidity 47% - Thursday partly cloudy (10°F-22°F), Friday mostly sunny (6°F-26°F), Saturday sunny (9°F-28°F), Sunday mostly sunny (28°F-34°F)
[03:51:13] <Bytram> ~weather TheMightyBuzzard
[03:51:14] <exec> 03Stratford, OK, USA - currently 24°F, clear, wind N at 5 mph, humidity 51% - Thursday partly cloudy (18°F-31°F), Friday snow (21°F-28°F), Saturday snow with brief sleet (31°F-33°F), Sunday showers (32°F-47°F)
[03:51:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'cold
[03:51:34] <Bytram> nah; kinda warm spell for us atm
[03:51:39] <juggs> I keep reading that btrfs is not stable enough as yet :/ No idea as to the truth of that
[03:51:41] <Bytram> ~weather portland, me
[03:51:42] <exec> 03Portland, ME, USA - currently 19°F, partly cloudy, wind N at 5 mph, humidity 34% - Thursday partly cloudy (6°F-21°F), Friday partly cloudy (0°F-24°F), Saturday sunny (6°F-28°F), Sunday partly cloudy (25°F-31°F)
[03:51:42] <juggs> ~weather
[03:51:43] <exec> 03London, UK - currently 36°F / 2°C, clear, wind W at 7 mph, humidity 80% - Friday mostly sunny (37°F-49°F / 3°C-9°C), Saturday showers (45°F-50°F / 7°C-10°C), Sunday scattered showers (36°F-50°F / 2°C-10°C), Monday cloudy (36°F-47°F / 2°C-8°C)
[03:51:53] <Bytram> ~weather presque isl, me
[03:51:54] <exec> 03Presque Isle, ME, USA - currently 4°F, partly cloudy, wind NW at 4 mph, humidity 35% - Thursday partly cloudy (-9°F-12°F), Friday partly cloudy (-5°F-15°F), Saturday mostly sunny (3°F-22°F), Sunday mostly cloudy (17°F-26°F)
[03:52:03] <juggs> Positively warm here :D
[03:52:15] <Bytram> ~weather nome, ak
[03:52:16] <exec> 03Nome, AK, USA - currently 31°F, light snow, wind S at 22 mph, humidity 100% - Thursday snow (32°F-35°F), Friday snow showers (30°F-34°F), Saturday snow showers (4°F-28°F), Sunday partly cloudy (18°F-22°F)
[03:52:44] <Bytram> gak! 'tis warmer in Alaska than in new england? Brrrrrrrrrr!
[03:53:29] <Bytram> coffee++
[03:53:29] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1128
[03:53:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> no argument here
[03:53:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[03:53:50] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1129
[03:53:52] <juggs> Perhaps slashdot binning Beta invoked memories of slashcott, inspiring people to look us up and see what we are up to lately.
[03:54:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno, four new since last night is kinda more than normal but no biggie.
[03:55:36] * Bytram hasn't checked in a few days -- just liked seeing a bigger bump than I was used to seeing
[03:56:49] <Bytram> juggs: The nick for UID==5107 is 'D2'
[03:57:11] <Bytram> =)
[03:58:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> aright, think ima do the bed thing before my eyes start closing by themselves tonight
[03:58:26] <Bytram> nod nod
[03:58:27] <juggs> sleep well
[03:58:36] <Bytram> I won't be here too much longer myself
[03:58:51] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: sleep well!!
[03:58:54] <SirFinkus> night
[04:17:48] <Bytram> time for me to hit the hay, too.
[04:17:55] <Bytram> have a good 'night' everyone!
[04:18:03] <SirFinkus> I hope by "hay" you mean ciri
[04:18:04] <juggs> night Bytram
[04:18:04] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[04:18:16] <Bytram|away> juggs: and to you, too!
[04:18:54] <Bytram|away> btw, nice progress on subscriptions income!!! =)
[04:19:09] <juggs> Really?
[04:19:42] <Bytram|away> $1978 to goal of $4500
[04:20:44] <Bytram|away> and, as we approach the date when we first offered subscriptions, I suspect we'll see some renewals, too.
[04:20:59] * Bytram|away can't remember when subs were first offered
[04:21:07] <juggs> I've not finished reading all the replies to the RFC yet - that can't be attributed to me. Unless simply saying "shit, we're not even covering costs" was inspirational or something :/
[04:21:44] * Bytram|away must be tired, not following you there.
[04:22:00] <juggs> Let me try again.
[04:23:51] <Bytram|away> huh. I thought subs were implemented earlier -- looks like it was on or about august 30th. :/
[04:23:52] <juggs> I'm still working through the replies on the RFC : Subs article regards setting price points. So I don't think the uptick in subs income is down to me. Unless, merely stating that we are spending more than we earn caused some people to decide to pay for a sub.
[04:24:26] <Bytram|away> clearer, thanks!
[04:25:06] <juggs> Bytram|away, I have mid-2014 in my mind. June/July? I was just a peon then :D
[04:25:15] <Bytram|away> I wasn't suggesting that uptick was necessarily attributible to you; just an observation that I have seen the subs income needle move up over the past coupla weeks.
[04:25:41] * Bytram|away is still just a peon, I just have more experience, now.
[04:26:10] <Bytram|away> I suspect mentioning we aren't covering costs prolly helped some.
[04:26:20] <juggs> Bytram|away, I need to hit up mrcoolbp on that, I'd like to analyse subs over time.
[04:27:33] <Bytram|away> If I had access to the DB, I could code up a query. Problem is that we lack 'granularity' on DB access. I'd like read-only access, but according to pj, it's all or nothing.
[04:27:57] <Bytram|away> so, for me to be able to query the real DB, I'd also be vested with write permissions, too.
[04:28:27] <Bytram|away> so long as I ussue no DELETE or UPDATE sql statements, I should be safe.
[04:29:14] <Bytram|away> I found this to be a bit heartwarming: https://soylentnews.org
[04:29:15] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Journal of Jeremiah Cornelius (2785)
[04:29:38] <Bytram|away> someone gifted him with a subscription!
[04:29:47] <juggs> Bytram|away, that wasn't the intention of the RFC: Subs article. I don't want to ~guilt~ people into paying, I want people to ~want~ to sub. So set the price at the right level and provide functionality that they ~want~ to sub for. Rather than inadvertently say "oh by the way, if you don't sub, we can't cover costs and will be vanishing"... that was not my intention, but I think some may have interpreted it that way because I mentioned covering co
[04:29:47] <juggs> sts being a problem. :(
[04:30:14] <Bytram|away> Ahhhhh, I see the distinction!
[04:30:28] <Bytram|away> I should clarify, as well.
[04:30:50] <Bytram|away> there's a popular public radio station where I live.
[04:31:04] <Bytram|away> I listed to it often, but have not, as yet, made a donation.
[04:31:14] <Bytram|away> Don't have much spare cash atm.
[04:31:27] <Bytram|away> otoh, when I do have better cash flow, I'd like to contribute.
[04:32:00] <Bytram|away> being reminded during one of their occasional fund-raisers reminds me of how much I get and that I'd still like to contribute.
[04:32:27] <Bytram|away> so, it's not so much getting guilted into it, but rather a reminder to revisit my finances and see if I could help out, now.
[04:33:32] <Bytram|away> so, I was not so much suggesting 'guilting' people into subscribing, but rather that it was a suggestion to reappraise the value that the site has provided and to revisting the decision as to subscribe or not.
[04:33:37] <Bytram|away> make sense?
[04:34:55] * Bytram|away [not entirely jokingly] wishes we could pay hosting costs with karma
[04:35:00] <juggs> Yes it makes sense.
[04:35:07] <Bytram|away> hey! I have an idea!
[04:35:31] * juggs waits
[04:35:38] <Bytram|away> could we negotiate a reduced rate if we put up a static banner saying that hosting is provided by Linode?
[04:36:30] <Bytram|away> even $100 or $50 per month would make a difference.
[04:39:16] <Bytram|away> and with that, I really need some sleep.
[04:39:44] <juggs> Well.. more "Powered by..." rather than "Provided by...". Worth asking. Ping mrcoolbp or pj in the channel that must not be named with that idea - I don't have any standing with Linode to ask on our behalf.
[04:40:03] <Bytram|away> yeah, wording is optional -- it was the concept/thought that I wanted to put out there.
[04:40:14] <Bytram|away> k
[04:42:20] <Bytram|away> done.
[04:42:45] <arti> juggs, i hadn't spent a cent on the site that must not be named, i'm happy to support this effort.
[04:42:57] <Bytram|away> g'night!
[04:43:01] <arti> later m8
[04:43:21] <juggs> g'night Bytram|away
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[04:43:54] <arti> could always ask, never hurts.
[04:47:56] <juggs> arti - good to hear :) I find it interesting to understand what motivates people to decide to subscribe or not. At the moment, I'm very much in the mindset of "build it and they will come" - in such a model the concentration needs to be on increasing overall number of users regardless of whether sub or not, presence and awareness is everything - on the basis that regardless the size of readership, the %ge that are able to and will sub remains stati
[04:47:56] <juggs> c - so with more eyes overall comes more subs.
[04:49:23] <juggs> There is a slight concern that as a site becomes more popular the propensity to sub drops as a percentage because people view it as a "big site", so therefore has no need for income.
[04:50:26] <juggs> Doesn't hold true for site that serves no ads or otherwise monetise users (other than subs), but that is a perception we have to tackle.
[05:11:36] <arti> it can be rewarded with other creative things
[05:11:46] <arti> we've got a good group here
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[05:15:24] <juggs> arti, indeed so. The question is what things should we offer people that will cause them to be engaged to the point of thinking "I find value in this, let me flush the moths out of my wallet". We're quite clear that we don't want subs to confer some "higher" tier of membership or pay to play type construct. Well, I think that is what we want. I may be wrong :/
[05:19:15] <juggs> My approach is less "pay wall" and more "content will be free regardless how you try to corral it". So why bother with the effort to corral. The value of the site is not in the content but in the community.
[05:19:41] <arti> perhaps vanity, like increased sig length, or random sigs
[05:19:57] <arti> random, where you can input multiple
[05:21:08] <chromas> blingy gold theme
[05:23:57] <juggs> arti, yes we do have a good group here, the discussions are pretty focussed with a good S/N ratio at present. I'd dearly like to retain that quality of SN. That said we need to attract more members to our community as we are not covering costs. The question is how to increase awareness / users / members without simultaneously killing the S/N ratio.
[05:27:00] <juggs> chromas, read up for TMB's suggestion for user submitted themes - it's just CSS after all :D
[05:27:34] <chromas> Yeah but if I buy a subscription then I get access to extra ones
[05:27:59] <chromas> with embedded webm animations
[05:28:47] <juggs> !op bleh /me .kick chromas da fuq!1one
[05:29:03] <arti> well, growth takes time, word of mouth is the best kind but there's always paid advertising
[05:29:06] <arti> think radio
[05:29:46] <arti> internet radio is pretty good since typically people are near where they can access a browser
[05:30:16] <chromas> SoylentPodcast?
[05:31:41] <arti> that's a lot of content
[05:32:32] <arti> how about user submitted logo artwork?
[05:32:32] <ciri> not sure
[05:32:42] <arti> like pouet
[05:35:25] <juggs> arti, I did the whole internet radio thing ~10 years back. It's an absolute non-starter as a small operator - the license fees are usury. Even if you stick to indie music, still the door knockers come expecting a payout. Got to arrive as a big player in the internet radio music scene to have a chance to survive.
[05:35:37] <juggs> Voice only podcast stuff could work
[05:37:18] <arti> no, i don't me we do it, i mean advertising on radio
[05:37:27] <arti> make a spot
[05:38:02] <juggs> ahh I see.
[05:39:17] <arti> radio is awesome, i've had success with it in the past
[05:40:53] <juggs> do expand on that, particularly any recommendations as to specific stations.
[05:44:42] <arti> depends on your market
[05:47:54] <arti> there's plenty of options, including online too (pandora... and theres sirius etc.)
[05:48:42] <arti> could sponsor some news segments, that'd be cool
[05:48:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - What If We Lost the Sky? - http://sylnt.us - but-it-was-there-only-a-few-minutes-ago
[05:49:05] <arti> "Today's Weather brought to you by SoylentNews - It's not news, it's people"
[05:49:54] <arti> just get a 10 second spot, "Ever get that empty feeling in your brain and/or stomach? Neither do we, SoylentNews"
[05:51:40] <arti> "SoylentNews, where you can help people in need, hungry and thirsty people, with high fact information product"
[05:51:56] <juggs> lol
[05:52:08] <chromas> SoylentNews: We killed beta
[05:52:59] <arti> "Don't be beta, /. betas are uncool, cool kids enjoy SoylentNews, responsibly."
[05:54:13] <arti> [ appeal to emotion / intervention theme music] "Don't let another day go by, where you could could make a difference... in where you get your news."
[05:55:16] <arti> "SoylentNews, we need YOUR help make the product better"
[05:55:36] <ar> http://www.itv.com - oh, they found youtube comments section
[05:55:37] <juggs> SoylentNews: Want to roll the Dice on whether we will still be gaining market share in a year's time? troll-lol-lol. Already answered.
[05:55:37] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Twenty-five tonnes of pigeon poo found inside ancient monument - ITV News
[05:55:42] <arti> probably could expand upon that
[05:56:28] <arti> "Once inside, workers said it was "like walking on a giant chocolate cake"."
[05:56:33] <arti> filthy
[05:56:56] <arti> http://news.images.itv.com <- as you can see this is where the firehose originates (for news)
[05:57:28] <arti> "Whilst we’ve removed other massive blockages such giant fatbergs in sewers, we have never seen such a monumental mass of festering faeces before,” Mike Walker, managing director for CountyClean Environmental Services said.
[05:57:32] <arti> fatbergs, lol
[05:57:46] <arti> also festering faeces batman!
[06:10:37] <juggs> fatbergs are a real problem in central London sewers thanks to the prevalence of restaurants tipping animal fats into drains. There are teams whose job it is to go in and hack the things out with axes, spades etc. Sounds like some dwarf kingdom type job, but it goes on. I hope they put the hacked fat into bio-digestor or bio-burning power stations - got to be better than landfilling the stuff.
[06:22:59] <arti> landfills will be the source of much awesome in the future, if we get fusion happening
[06:23:44] <arti> don't they have grease traps over there?
[06:25:25] <crutchy> ciri++
[06:25:25] <Bender> karma - ciri: -35
[06:25:38] <crutchy> for its newfound fame
[06:26:04] <arti> i see you're catching up :D
[06:30:09] <crutchy> i was thinking about replying AC with a ciri quote from the batcave, but i'm too lazy atm
[06:33:52] <arti> who handles registration woes
[06:36:13] <crutchy> SN registration woes?
[06:36:59] <crutchy> for SN registration issues i'd prolly target TheMightyBuzzard
[06:38:16] <crutchy> give him an ass blasting at 900 niggahurtz
[06:41:15] <arti> danke
[06:42:16] <crutchy> or paulej72 of course
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[07:39:40] <arti> http://www.theguardian.com
[07:39:41] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03American atheist blogger hacked to death in Bangladesh | World news | The Guardian
[07:39:51] <arti> Islam - Hack the Planet!!!
[07:40:29] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[07:40:30] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Hack the Planet! - YouTube
[08:01:59] <arti> http://antiartificial.com
[08:01:59] <Hedonismbot> ^✓ 03#Soylent stats: 21.2.2015!
[08:01:59] <crutchy> not sure what to make of the FCC decision
[08:02:18] <arti> winter is coming, crutchy.
[08:02:43] <crutchy> i'm no fan of telcos, but i think adding regulations will just make it harder for new players
[08:04:04] <crutchy> government involvement stifles competition. period
[08:05:20] * arti regulates crutchy
[08:05:43] <crutchy> they would prolly be more effective if they enforced laws against fraud
[08:06:12] <arti> indeed, we've got plenty of legal mallets to whack people with
[08:06:47] <crutchy> the FCC is basically just a licensing bully acting on behalf of its lobbyist buddies
[08:07:59] <qkontinuum> Hi, does anyone know if/under which restrictions the Soylentnews logo can be used?
[08:08:10] <crutchy> the telcos aren't pissed off at all. its just a ruse to keep the public ignorant and make them think adding more regulations will be good for them, instead it will help increase protections for existing telcos
[08:09:53] <arti> qkontinuum, not sure
[08:10:54] <crutchy> is Bender's SN feed broken? or aren't there any new stories going out?
[08:12:08] <qkontinuum> I was thinking about the subscription/funding. AFAIK it is not possible to collect donations because it would get complicated for tax reasons. But if we could sell licenses to use the logo on self-designed swag, that might be a solution.
[08:13:18] <arti> one of the other members should be able to answer this better, that's an interesting idea
[08:13:37] <arti> crutchy, mebbe?
[08:15:17] <qkontinuum> We could have a competition for the most creative swag items. Maybe a free version of the logo (somehow marked as free version), so we don't exclude those who can't pay.
[08:18:56] * midacre agrees with crutchy, mostly
[08:18:59] <Subsentient> http://www.youtube.com
[08:19:00] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Feint & Boyinaband - Time Bomb (feat. Veela) - YouTube ( https://www.youtube.com )
[08:19:15] <arti> look, a gerbil sighting
[08:19:43] * arti coaxes Subsentient towards him with peanut butter
[08:19:58] * Subsentient is a rat, you insensitive clod
[08:20:04] * Subsentient bites arti
[08:20:17] <arti> MILITANT ISLAM IN ACTION
[08:20:36] <Subsentient> lol
[08:20:36] <ciri> lol that's funny!
[08:20:53] <Subsentient> Islam scares me. 0_0
[08:21:16] <arti> yeah, it's kinda like those zombie sims where you simulate how infection spreads
[08:21:42] <Subsentient> arti: I actually agree with that whether or not it was sarcasm.
[08:21:57] <midacre> could someone tell me if this is earnest, or bitter satire? I can't decide. https://sourcegraph.com
[08:21:57] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Closing Keynote: Simplicity and the Ideas Go Left Behind, Dave Cheney - GopherConIndia liveblog
[08:22:01] <arti> >Islam uses Sword.
[08:22:19] <Subsentient> >Paradigm uses quark disassembler
[08:22:38] <arti> hitchens has some awesome speeches on the topic
[08:22:38] <crutchy> is that a new programming language?
[08:22:53] <arti> it's also a brand for graphic stuffs
[08:23:01] <Subsentient> No patrick, mayonnaise is not an instrument
[08:23:06] <arti> lol
[08:23:15] <ar> .seen konomi
[08:23:15] <arti> 3,1.9:15 I have not seen konomi9:3.
[08:23:19] <ar> :<
[08:23:21] <ar> https://github.com
[08:23:21] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03hut/minirc · GitHub
[08:23:24] <arti> !seen konomi
[08:23:25] <ciri> I found 2 matches to your query (sorted): KonomiNetbook Konomi. KonomiNetbook (~Konomi@Soylent/Users/189/Konomi) was last seen parting #soylent 25 days, 21 hours, 8 minutes ago stating "{}".
[08:23:25] <crutchy> ooh
[08:23:26] <Subsentient> $seen Konomi
[08:23:26] <aqu4> I last saw Konomi at 2015-02-01 09:51:24 UTC in #soylent. Their most recent message is "gay ;p"
[08:23:33] <crutchy> lol
[08:23:37] <Subsentient> $seen KonomiNetbook
[08:23:37] <aqu4> I last saw KonomiNetbook at 2015-01-04 11:58:01 UTC in #soylent. Their most recent message is "yay more ways to run a possible injection attack on crutchy's bot"
[08:23:51] <crutchy> konomi is still in #boxedfox on freenode
[08:24:00] <arti> that name sounds dirty
[08:24:10] <crutchy> oh it is
[08:25:47] * arti sounds the goat horn
[08:29:16] <crutchy> maybe we can tempt konomi back with cookies
[08:33:10] <arti> lol, +b eth when konomi is in
[08:33:29] * crutchy sets a plate with _gh_sess=eyJzZXNzaW9uX2lkIjoiNjAwYzM2M2U4NGQxYWZiNjU3M2FlNzg4ZmY1ZmQyMzAiLCJfY3NyZl90b2tlbiI6IlN3aXpETnNoYnlIdFBBRjVtOFNhR29VaXFDVmIwYlNvWmZoNUsxVkNXUXM9IiwicmVmZXJyYWxfY29kZSI6Imh0dHBzOi8vZ2l0aHViLmNvbS9jcnV0Y2h5LSIsInNweV9yZXBvIjoiY3J1dGNoeS0vZXhlYy1pcmMtYm90Iiwic3B5X3JlcG9fYXQiOjE0MjUwMjU5MzksImxhc3Rfd3JpdGUiOjE0MjUwMjU5MzczMzB9--17d1240d440e1c4c743898325b39c9a7e070666a; path=/; secure; HttpOnly
[08:33:42] <arti> that's easy to remember.
[08:34:05] <crutchy> that's the only cookie i could find
[08:34:46] * JamesNZ munches happily
[08:35:12] <Subsentient> chromas: Care to join me in a Warzone?
[08:35:25] <arti> you should scope out http://warthunder.com
[08:35:27] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03War Thunder - Next-Gen MMO Combat Game for PC, Mac and Playstation4 | Play for free now! - ( http://warthunder.com )
[08:36:00] <arti> chromas has been mia for awhile, i summoned him awhile back
[08:36:17] <crutchy> anyone know any good job/time/office planning apps?
[08:36:25] <arti> his self diagnostic reported Dizzy earlier
[08:36:30] <Subsentient> crutchy: yes
[08:36:33] <arti> time sheets?
[08:36:33] <crutchy> (sort of like microsoft project, but not microsoft project)
[08:36:46] <crutchy> timesheets would be a part i guess
[08:36:49] <Subsentient> crutchy: Best app for the job: http://wz2100.net
[08:36:50] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Warzone 2100: A Free And Open Source Real-Time Strategy Game
[08:36:54] <arti> lol
[08:36:55] <ciri> i don't think it's that funny lol
[08:37:01] <arti> probably some webapp tbh
[08:37:09] <crutchy> yeah
[08:37:13] <arti> there are oodles of Projectify style shiz
[08:37:28] <Subsentient> $wz
[08:37:29] <aqu4> 4[1 of 1] Name: Never Give Up | Map: NTW-2v2-T1 | Host: xXSpecialsoulXx | Players: 4/4 | IP: 189.132.116.99 | Version: 3.1.2
[08:37:30] <arti> "our software will make you cum buckets, get started today for FREE!"
[08:37:48] <crutchy> i wanna roll my own, but i need some inspiration
[08:37:58] <arti> it's kinda a pita
[08:37:58] <Subsentient> $replace arti cum buckets^a cum bucket
[08:37:58] <aqu4> Failed to perform replace. No match found in user's last message.
[08:38:09] <arti> muhahaha
[08:38:24] <arti> your karate was too slow
[08:38:35] <arti> you think that's text you're changing? /matrix
[08:38:59] * JamesNZ gulps down the blue pill
[08:39:08] <arti> viagra right?
[08:39:27] <JamesNZ> No.
[08:40:11] <Subsentient> $wz
[08:40:11] <aqu4> 3[1 of 1] Name: Journeys End | Map: Trih-T1 | Host: SubSen MOEPP | Players: 2/4 | IP: 216.161.165.96 | Version: 3.1.2
[08:40:23] <crutchy> do not try to change the text. that's impossible. only try to realize the truth... there is no poon!
[08:40:59] <arti> what's really going to tickle your noodle is if you would've broken the compile in the first place if i hadn't said anything.
[08:41:00] <Subsentient> crutchy: errhurrhurrhurr
[08:41:27] <Subsentient> $replace arti noodle^pickle
[08:41:27] <aqu4> Subsentient: "<arti>: what's really going to tickle your pickle is if you would've broken the compile in the first place if i hadn't said anything."
[08:41:40] <crutchy> lets get the obvious stuff out of the way. arti isn't human is he
[08:41:59] <arti> sub: https://www.youtube.com
[08:41:59] <Hedonismbot> ^* 03Pickle Surprise - YouTube
[08:43:21] <crutchy> libreplan looks interesting
[08:43:37] <arti> sounds free
[08:43:53] <crutchy> or there's projectlibre
[08:44:08] <crutchy> or openproject
[08:45:18] <crutchy> ergh. they all looks big fat and fugly :/
[08:45:38] <arti> yup, webapp'll be the way to go, srsly
[08:45:52] <crutchy> though to be fair i wanna hook mine up to an access database :p
[08:46:03] <arti> "i want mine to work off of floppies"
[08:46:04] <JamesNZ> crutchy: It's gotta be enterprise, yo.
[08:46:05] <crutchy> yeah php all the way
[08:46:27] <crutchy> i'll use my little http/ado service
[08:46:31] <JamesNZ> And webscale.
[08:47:18] <arti> also polyfill!
[08:47:33] <arti> add extra angularjs spicy sauce to it
[08:48:34] <crutchy> i'll use my little cascading templaty thingy
[08:48:49] <crutchy> seems to work pretty well
[08:49:17] <arti> views++
[08:49:17] <Bender> karma - views: 1
[08:51:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ask Soylent: What Would You Consider the Most AMAZING Technological Breakthroughs if they Existed ? - http://sylnt.us - let-your-mind-go
[08:52:15] <arti> beginning production of the breastfruit tree, naturally.
[08:52:28] <crutchy> vaginamite that really tastes like vagina
[08:52:41] <arti> :|
[08:52:59] <arti> "mine tastes like pennies"
[08:53:14] <crutchy> yours must be out of date
[08:53:28] <arti> firmware joke, somewhere?
[08:53:50] <crutchy> i'm sure ciri has something about coinslots
[08:55:32] <arti> money, power, root of all evil
[08:58:46] * crutchy bails on libreshit
[08:58:55] <crutchy> i'll just wing it
[08:59:30] <arti> http://www.dovico.com ?
[08:59:31] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Web Timesheet, Project Management and Time Tracking Software | Dovico
[09:00:01] <arti> you can try it FREE and it has APPS! this should make mgmt sploog
[09:01:29] <crutchy> it has a creepy yellow star thing that follows me down the page
[09:01:46] <arti> you must see that yellow star~
[09:01:46] <crutchy> i just can't trust anyone with a creepy yellow star
[09:02:21] * crutchy rounds up all yellow stars into concentration camps
[09:02:55] <crutchy> too soon?
[09:03:05] <arti> those sound like summer study programs
[09:03:16] <crutchy> fun for the whole family
[09:03:18] <arti> cram schools
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[09:28:50] <Subsentient> crutchy:
[09:29:44] <Subsentient> crutchy:
[09:31:03] <Subsentient> $wz
[09:31:04] <aqu4> No games available.
[09:31:13] <Subsentient> https://www.youtube.com
[09:31:14] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Vaski - Insane (ft. Ava) - YouTube
[09:32:23] <Subsentient> .op aqu4
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[09:38:13] <Subsentient> http://imgur.com
[09:38:14] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Brain Washed. - Imgur
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[10:08:49] <crutchy> apparently the FCC proposal was passed while still sealed, with 300 pages that haven't yet been released to the public
[10:09:39] <crutchy> probably only a handful of unelected government bureaucrats and industry lobbyists were involved in drafting it
[10:09:57] <crutchy> and they called it "net neutrality" to get the public onboard :/
[10:16:03] <crutchy> "If you like your internet you can keep your internet." -- Barack Obama on the implementation of ObamaNet
[10:22:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - First Human Head Transplant Could Happen in Two Years - http://sylnt.us - what-will-they-transplant-next
[10:33:04] <Subsentient> crutchy: Make Konomi feel bad about me leaving the channel.
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[10:49:34] <crutchy> she's throwing a party
[11:14:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:14:44] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1130
[11:28:37] <crutchy> weekend++
[11:28:37] <Bender> karma - weekend: 12
[11:29:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> woot
[11:30:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> still the rest of the day to go for me but shurg
[11:33:53] <crutchy> thinkin of having a go at a planning app for work. just been documenting existing database tables/fields
[11:34:29] <crutchy> there's a fair bit to work with. prolly won't have to add too much extra manually entered data
[11:34:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, sounds interestin.
[11:35:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> license it to em until your next performance review then negotiate both at once.
[11:36:23] <crutchy> heh. might be able to, but i don't think they'd buy it.
[11:36:27] <crutchy> small company
[11:37:29] <crutchy> mind you they're happy to sell out to the likes of Autodesk :/
[11:38:04] <crutchy> AutoCAD/Inventor are prolly considered "business critical" software
[11:38:37] <crutchy> hmm not really sell out. more buy out
[11:38:51] <crutchy> or get fucked by
[11:38:55] <crutchy> or summin
[11:41:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm
[11:41:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> well should help ya negotiate a raise at least
[11:44:46] <crutchy> they treat me pretty well. can't complain really
[11:45:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes but they could always treat you pretty well and give you more money. yay capitalism.
[11:48:07] <crutchy> they treat me pretty well there too. but yeah i guess if they offer more i'll take it :p
[11:49:08] <crutchy> so what are you guys gunna do now that you have obamanet?
[11:49:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh i ain't worried about that. the 300 secret pages are likely just setting up the great firewall of america and firewalls are no biggie.
[11:50:37] <crutchy> i would offer you my condolences but you might not receive them bahahahahaha!
[11:51:12] <crutchy> great firewalls seem to be trendy lately
[11:51:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, they're great and all. says so right in the name.
[11:52:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> honestly, between what we got and what we had, i prefer what we got
[11:52:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> slightly
[11:52:56] <crutchy> won't be long and straya will be in the 'me too' club
[11:53:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Global Warming Finally Seen in the Wild - http://sylnt.us - staying-out-of-the-kitchen
[11:53:37] <crutchy> what we really need is a global wifinet
[11:53:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, no doubt. yall got slightly more restrictions by default than we do anyhow
[11:53:57] <crutchy> take governments and isps out of the picture
[11:54:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, wifi sucks if you can have wired
[11:56:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> argh, orc chop my face
[11:59:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, man i stirred up a good mess of comments on the net neutrality story
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[12:12:38] <Subsentient> $wz
[12:12:38] <aqu4> 3[1 of 1] Name: hi | Map: More-T1 | Host: Spaz | Players: 1/6 | IP: 71.13.224.26 | Version: 3.1.2
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[12:24:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather
[12:24:18] <exec> 03Stratford, OK, USA - currently 18°F, mostly cloudy, wind NE at 10 mph, humidity 54% - Friday snow (22°F-27°F), Saturday snow with brief sleet (30°F-33°F), Sunday showers (31°F-50°F), Monday cloudy (45°F-50°F)
[12:34:39] * crutchy is attempting some level of information system documentation to understand the needs of blah blah blah..
[12:36:24] <crutchy> not gunna go the whole AIVMSROCD/HSPP matrix bs
[12:40:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> yerg
[12:40:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> documentation, the bane of coders the world over
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[13:24:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> eds, we could use some more stuff queued up
[13:24:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Slashdot Beta Surrenders - The 'New' User Interface is the 'Old' User Interface - Almost - http://sylnt.us - we-knew-we-were-right
[13:29:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, nm, lamx is already on things
[13:48:20] <paulej72> hello world
[13:49:06] <paulej72> Can’t believe they killed beta
[13:49:14] <paulej72> Did we post a story
[13:51:12] <Leebert> lol. Taking Root Cause Analysis training course at work. Has a picture of the NOAA N-PRIME accident, with the caption: "A satellite falling off its cart is an undesired outcome".
[13:51:21] <Leebert> Understatement of the day, there.
[13:58:38] <crutchy> ~queue
[13:58:41] <exec> *** SN submission queue: 11 - http://sylnt.us
[14:14:43] <Subsentient> $wz
[14:14:43] <aqu4> 3[1 of 3] Name: Presto Ballet | Map: NTW4vs4max-T1 | Host: tomato_Cat | Players: 6/8 | IP: 176.212.66.5 | Version: 3.1.2
[14:14:44] <aqu4> 3[2 of 3] Name: LION | Map: Sk-pandorumbyklub-T1 | Host: elsi | Players: 1/4 | IP: 77.65.110.235 | Version: 3.1.2
[14:14:45] <aqu4> 3[3 of 3] Name: LION | Map: NewNTW3Vs3-V2-T1 | Host: LION 0 | Players: 5/6 | IP: 61.176.82.227 | Version: 3.1.2
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[14:15:00] <Subsentient> $wz
[14:15:00] <aqu4> 3[1 of 2] Name: Presto Ballet | Map: NTW4vs4max-T1 | Host: tomato_Cat | Players: 6/8 | IP: 176.212.66.5 | Version: 3.1.2
[14:15:01] <aqu4> 3[2 of 2] Name: LION | Map: NewNTW3Vs3-V2-T1 | Host: LION 0 | Players: 5/6 | IP: 61.176.82.227 | Version: 3.1.2
[14:31:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, paulej72
[14:31:26] <paulej72> morning
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[14:37:04] <paulej72> working on getting the subs updated with some of the suggestions from the RFC
[14:37:24] <janrinok> hi guys
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[14:46:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> smooth. heya janrinok
[14:48:57] <janrinok> Hi TheMightyBuzzard - see you have been active in the comments again ;-) You love to kick off a good argument...
[14:48:57] <ciri> yeah, yeah hi HI janrinok
[14:49:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> That I do. I only avoid being a troll by genuinely believing all the things they so hate to hear said.
[14:49:53] <janrinok> lol
[14:50:08] <janrinok> what are you working on today?
[14:50:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> nada yet, been dicking off instead of fixing that unicode bug.
[14:50:47] <janrinok> sounds reasonable - you will benefit from a break
[14:50:49] <Leebert> TheMightyBuzzard: I'll say this for you, you absorb the echo quite well in our little chamber.
[14:50:59] <janrinok> hi Leebert
[14:51:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> i do try.
[14:51:04] <Leebert> sup janrinok
[14:51:10] <janrinok> good - you?
[14:51:38] <Leebert> Life is bizzarre.
[14:51:42] <Leebert> But that's what makes it interesting.
[14:51:46] <janrinok> in what way?
[14:51:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, keep in mind any work you do on the current branch is gonna be one huge, painful, manual merge with the apache2 branch.
[14:52:17] <janrinok> TMB knows how to inspire a fellow worker ...
[14:52:20] <paulej72> maybe, maybe not
[14:52:22] <Leebert> Between wrecking my truck, offering to let someone live with me for a while to get back on their feet, etc.
[14:52:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> fingers crossed for ya man.
[14:52:45] <janrinok> Ah - one of 'those' lives, OK.
[14:52:59] <paulej72> most of what I am touching is templates and will not change between versions
[14:53:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, true true
[14:53:09] <Leebert> Now I'm taking lots of online training so I can get enough CPEs to maintain my CISSP which will expire tomorrow.
[14:53:20] <Leebert> Because if thta expires, then I no longer understand security. Or something.
[14:53:33] <janrinok> you lost this Brit with those abbreviations
[14:53:38] <Leebert> At least, as far as the government is concerned.
[14:53:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> reminds me, dude had a point about having blank white space off to the left beside comments. we wanna keep that or lose it?
[14:53:49] <Leebert> CISSP = security certification.
[14:53:53] <janrinok> thx
[14:53:57] <Leebert> Think the MCSE of security. :)
[14:54:06] <janrinok> wash your mouth out!
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[14:54:23] <Leebert> Yeah. But it's pretty much a requirement for government work in the US.
[14:54:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> personally, i prefer having it but that's just an aesthetic opinion.
[14:54:58] <janrinok> Leebert: Ah OK - a pain that one has to bear.
[14:55:46] <Leebert> janrinok: FWIW, the "slashdot beta surrenders" story has a minor grammar oops. "changed it's interface" -> "changed its interface"
[14:56:07] <janrinok> thx - will correct it
[14:56:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> believe i'll go have myself a shower. my aroma is coming perilously close to becoming an effective hippie camouflage.
[14:56:25] <Leebert> TheMightyBuzzard: I think the whitespace is fine, personally.
[14:57:20] <janrinok> should be good once it gets through the various cache
[14:57:38] <Leebert> This root cause analysis stuff is actually pretty interesting.
[14:57:56] <Leebert> I've never really learned any formal procedures for doing RCAs.
[14:58:20] <Leebert> and apparently we have software for performing them.
[15:07:19] <paulej72> that white space is not really that wide. I have kept the left menu column narrow on puropse
[15:12:30] <paulej72> we should talk about TheMightyBuzzard while he is in the shower
[15:14:54] <Leebert> as long as we don't have to get in the shower with him.
[15:20:09] <paulej72> No that would be an Ethanol-fuled job
[15:20:49] <Leebert> *snort*
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[15:26:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Gigantic Black Hole Discovered from the Dawn of Time - http://sylnt.us - billions-and-billions-of-stars
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[15:30:11] <ar> https://www.youtube.com - lol, sfw
[15:30:12] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Wankband - The wearable tech that allows you to love the planet, by loving yourself... - YouTube
[15:33:41] <Subsentient> ar: dafuq
[15:37:50] <paulej72> thats another Ethanol-fuled job there
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[15:43:56] <janrinok> Subsentient: Email sent to LamX
[15:44:58] <Subsentient> janrinok: hiyah
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[15:47:52] <janrinok> hi mechanicjay
[15:47:52] <ciri> hello, nice to see yea! janrinok
[15:47:59] <paulej72> moning mj
[15:54:20] <exec> 05*** SN funding has changed from $1,978 to $2,112
[15:54:50] <mechanicjay> morning janrinok, paulej72
[15:56:23] <janrinok> mechanicjay: things good with you?
[15:57:26] <mechanicjay> Yeah, things are okay
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[16:13:44] <Menso_Juan_Fiero> HAHAHAHA
[16:13:57] <Menso_Juan_Fiero> Slashdot.org buttblasted and BTFO
[16:14:09] <paulej72> looks like an Ethanol-fuled alias
[16:14:30] <Menso_Juan_Fiero> Glorious. And the best part was in their discussion how the staff tried to play it off like, oh well, we kinda sat on it but didnt know what direction to take it
[16:15:14] <Menso_Juan_Fiero> like, "we listened to you" after a whole year (or more?) of near-constant criticism from its users.
[16:15:36] <Menso_Juan_Fiero> That will make this evening pretty sweet with some alcohol and a trip out of town.
[16:15:44] <Menso_Juan_Fiero> Hello paulej72
[16:22:00] <Menso_Juan_Fiero> Who is Ethanol-fueled?
[16:22:05] * Menso_Juan_Fiero looks
[16:22:14] <Menso_Juan_Fiero> Oh, a piece of racist scum.
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[17:20:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> oi, red alert! http://www.nytimes.com
[17:20:44] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03 ( http://www.nytimes.com )
[17:21:50] <Leebert> :(
[17:22:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, sad.
[17:23:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> first time i ever cared if an actor died
[17:25:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, how quick can ya get a story up bout that?
[17:28:44] <paulej72> fucking blows
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[17:51:58] <Tachyon> http://www.theguardian.com
[17:51:59] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Leonard Nimoy, actor who played Mr Spock on Star Trek, dies aged 83 | Culture | The Guardian
[17:52:00] <Tachyon> ah
[17:52:02] <Tachyon> old
[17:52:03] <Tachyon> sorry
[17:54:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, ruined my whole day
[17:57:05] <paulej72> no more future spock appearances in the rebooted movies
[17:57:44] <paulej72> 93 posts in the Beta story
[17:58:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Most US Pediatricians Have Banned the Kids of Anti-Vaxxers - http://sylnt.us - Do-we-still-have-leper-colonies?
[18:02:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> i need to either take a nap or kick something
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[18:07:53] <Menso_Juan_Fiero> 4 submissions about Spock Dead.
[18:08:13] <Menso_Juan_Fiero> Whichever you choose, you should recommend the headline "He's Dead, Jim." Please? Pretty Please?
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[18:25:35] <ar> https://translate.google.com - hehe
[18:25:35] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Google Translate
[18:44:17] <arti> yeah bummer about spock
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[18:54:40] <buswolley> hey there. How about moving up the Nimoy death to teh front page. Deserves it.
[18:55:12] <Azrael> just pushed it to next in queue in a fe wminutes
[18:55:26] <Azrael> hoping to get a second editor to run eyes over it before it goes live
[18:55:33] <buswolley> oh cool.
[18:55:48] <Azrael> :)
[18:58:04] <janrinok> Azrael: I've seconded Ed'ed it
[18:58:10] <Azrael> w00t thanks
[19:00:25] <NCommander> Anyone need a laugh
[19:00:26] <NCommander> http://slashdot.org
[19:00:27] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03The Only Constant is Change - Slashdot ( http://slashdot.org )
[19:05:19] <mechanicjay> Ha, ethanol-fueled in on fire in the ./ Beta thread today.
[19:06:43] <buswolley> burning bush style
[19:11:39] <NCommander> I find it amusing UTF-8 is on /.'s roadmap
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[19:29:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Leonard Nimoy dies at 83 - http://sylnt.us - another-one-beamed-up
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[20:12:18] <Menso_Juan_Fiero> I figured out how to piss of the Soylent News readership even more than being racist.
[20:12:31] <Menso_Juan_Fiero> And that is by defending parents' decisions not to vaccinate their children.
[20:14:12] <janrinok> Menso_Juan_Fiero: you've been a very naughty boy - again
[20:14:28] <Menso_Juan_Fiero> I am not naughty, just an observer.
[20:14:45] <janrinok> yeah right ;-)
[20:15:17] <Menso_Juan_Fiero> How you doing, Janronok? Discussion boards have been lively, no?
[20:15:18] <ciri> how how brown cow
[20:15:24] <Menso_Juan_Fiero> Fuck off, ciri.
[20:15:38] <janrinok> I'm good thanks - and enjoying the boards, as you note
[20:18:43] <Menso_Juan_Fiero> I wish more people bought subscriptions.
[20:18:54] <Menso_Juan_Fiero> 20 bucks isn't a lot...if I can scrape that together, anybody can.
[20:19:11] <Menso_Juan_Fiero> (that is, if I were a registered user, which I'm not. And have never been)
[20:19:17] <janrinok> I think they might once the new payment systems are implemented. It will mean people can use debit/credit cards more easily
[20:19:53] <Menso_Juan_Fiero> Still a good idea to allow lesser donations just in case...then people can just donate more when they feel more secure about their investment.
[20:20:01] <janrinok> I might even buy you a subscription, it you wouldn't be too offended
[20:20:15] <Menso_Juan_Fiero> That won't be necessary, but thanks.
[20:20:28] <janrinok> k
[20:21:00] <janrinok> I don't always agree with what you write - but it sure livens up the board every now and then
[20:26:02] <Menso_Juan_Fiero> allright, splittin'. Peace!
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[20:30:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Verizon Issues Furious Response to FCC, in Morse Code, Dated 1934 - http://sylnt.us - beep-you!
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[20:45:10] <chromas> Bender: s/fur(i)ou(s)/ch\ld\1\2h/
[20:45:28] <chromas> Bender: s/Fur(i)ou(s)/ch\ld\1\2h/
[20:45:28] <sedctl> <chromas> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Verizon Issues chldish Response to FCC, in Morse Code, Dated 1934 - http://sylnt.us - beep-you!
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[21:21:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> Hrm... The Wrath of Khan or The Final Frontier?
[21:25:19] <mechanicjay> Search for Spock
[21:25:55] <mechanicjay> though since he dies at the end of Khan, perhaps that's more appropriate.
[21:27:15] <crutchy> coffee++
[21:27:15] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1131
[21:34:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[21:34:18] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1132
[21:37:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... nope, going to have to be VI, Undiscovered Country if I watch a movie. no dead spock twice in a day.
[21:38:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> course i could pull out some ToS like a Piece of the Action
[21:39:34] <crutchy> voyager, and skip to about season 3-ish
[21:43:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> seven of boobs, eh?
[21:45:04] <crutchy> there's that, but also janeway kicks ass
[21:45:13] <crutchy> best captain of the lot
[21:49:08] <arti> more like breast captain
[21:49:19] <arti> janeway barf :P
[21:52:32] <arti> g'day btw
[21:52:32] <ciri> hi i'm happy today! :D arti
[21:52:41] <arti> i'm glad. now hurry up with the tea, please.
[21:53:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, tell me you didn't just pick janeway over kirk. picking her over archer i could forgive you but over kirk is just evil, evil trolling.
[21:53:30] <arti> well he is in upside down land
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[21:53:46] <arti> sssshhhhh he's here
[21:53:49] <arti> o/
[21:54:07] <arti> telephone number formatting is surprisingly difficult
[21:54:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya reckon?
[21:54:59] <JamesNZ> \o arti, TheMightyBuzzard
[21:55:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, JamesNZ
[21:55:33] <crutchy> i didn't watch that much of the old star trek. kirk seemed like he was always trying to be funny but wasn't. also, the prospect of being flung into the alpha quadrant seems much more daunting than dealing with klingons
[21:56:03] <crutchy> but meh. i'm sure wars have been fought over which star trek is best
[22:01:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Whiteboard Clock that Shows the Time - http://sylnt.us - time-to-get-plotted
[22:01:38] <crutchy> oops. s/alpha/delta/
[22:12:21] <mechanicjay> I nominate Sisko for best Captain w/ Jean Luc a close second.
[22:12:41] <mechanicjay> It's hard to choose though, because their styles are so different.
[22:13:50] <arti> !
[22:13:52] <arti> this should be a vote!
[22:14:46] <mechanicjay> Yes, who do we talk to to get an new poll posted?
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[22:23:29] <crutchy> flame_war++
[22:23:29] <Bender> karma - flame_war: 1
[22:23:53] <chromas> !fight star wars trek vs star trek wars
[22:23:54] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: star trek wars beats star wars trek by 32,700,000 to 30,700,000!
[22:24:27] <crutchy> !fight kirk janeway
[22:24:27] <ciri> Google fights should be the format of 'word(s) one vs word(s) two'
[22:24:37] <crutchy> !fight kirk vs janeway
[22:24:38] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: kirk beats janeway by 120,000,000 to 705,000!
[22:24:43] <crutchy> pfft
[22:24:47] <crutchy> hipsters
[22:25:12] <Menso_Juan_Fiero> flame_war++
[22:25:12] <Bender> karma - flame_war: 2
[22:25:33] <crutchy> aye focker!
[22:25:45] <Menso_Juan_Fiero> be back in a bit...
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[22:26:14] * crutchy is trying to layout some html for planning app
[22:26:28] <crutchy> not an easy thing to layout
[22:28:50] <mechanicjay> !fight sisko vs picard
[22:28:51] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: picard beats sisko by 38,600,000 to 957,000!
[22:28:57] <mechanicjay> :(
[22:29:43] <crutchy> hipsters
[22:29:55] <crutchy> picard is pretty cool
[22:30:22] <crutchy> i don't even know who sisko is. guess i mustn't be a true trekky
[22:31:25] <mechanicjay> really? Deep Space 9?
[22:31:52] <crutchy> i think i've seen little bits of it, but never watched much
[22:32:01] * crutchy is ashamed
[22:32:28] <mechanicjay> You should, it was Star Trek playing around with some darker themes and multi-season long story arcs.
[22:34:06] <crutchy> if only we could get into leo cheaper/safer/faster/etc. then we could really get our star trek on
[22:35:18] <crutchy> i think scaled composites is closest so far tecch wise
[22:36:07] <crutchy> vertical takeoff rockets will never be cheap/safe/etc
[22:36:21] <mechanicjay> Space Elevator FTW
[22:37:12] <crutchy> maybe, but i think that would require significant orbital infrastructure, which means be gotta get it there first
[22:38:16] <crutchy> makes me wonder what the russians are cooking up in this new cold war
[22:46:33] <chromas> One of the treks had the cowboy from Innerspace
[22:46:47] <chromas> "I make love with my boots on"
[22:48:03] <crutchy> http://www.planetary.org
[22:48:04] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Russia Moves to Support ISS through 2024, Create New Space Station | The Planetary Society
[22:48:33] <crutchy> that was the doctor from voyager
[22:49:37] <crutchy> Russia and China are prolly planning to build the first Death Star
[23:01:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Paypal to No-longer Process Payments for MEGA due to 'Unique Encryption Model' - http://sylnt.us - follow-the-money
[23:16:20] <mechanicjay> http://www.amazon.com
[23:16:22] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Peopleware: Productive Projects and Teams (Second Edition): Tom DeMarco, Timothy Lister: 9780932633439: Amazon.com: Books
[23:16:23] <arti> ins gas mit dir
[23:16:28] <mechanicjay> damn it, wrong window
[23:16:48] <arti> at least it wasn't a kiddie kingdom link
[23:25:20] <arti> http://www.washingtontimes.com
[23:25:21] <Hedonismbot> ^* 03IRS watchdog reveals Lois Lerner missing emails now subject of criminal investigation - Washington Times
[23:25:27] <arti> dohoho
[23:26:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, that was some yesterday good news