#Soylent | Logs for 2015-02-22

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[00:06:39] <paulej72> I guess everyone is out partying. :( noone invited me
[00:08:05] <paulej72> well everyone execpt TMB as he is napping, hopefully with comps muted
[00:08:31] * arti has been doing errands
[00:08:43] <arti> supposed to rain tomorrow so i got in a run today
[00:08:46] <paulej72> I have been coding
[00:08:59] <arti> whatcha coding?
[00:09:05] * arti tries to peer at paulej72's screen
[00:09:11] <arti> huhwhatsit
[00:09:26] <paulej72> updates to subs to allow montly and semiannual ones with variable pricing
[00:14:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Update on TrueCrypt Phase II Audit - http://sylnt.us - the-ball's-just-getting-rolling
[00:14:16] <SirFinkus> I'm eating my sandwich still
[00:14:30] <arti> oh that's pretty cool!
[00:14:31] <SirFinkus> capicola is ok, pastrami is better
[00:14:39] <arti> how big is your sammich?
[00:14:40] <ciri> very carefully and then some
[00:15:06] <SirFinkus> probably a good foot
[00:15:31] <SirFinkus> well, now it's more like 4 inches
[00:25:55] <chromas> you don't have to exaggerate; there are no women here
[00:26:21] <paulej72> works better with pages
[00:26:42] <paulej72> not pages, prosciutto
[00:26:51] <paulej72> cut and past error
[00:31:33] <SirFinkus> I dunno, I like that this has a little spice
[00:33:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> good foods. now for the ritual post-foods smoke n digest.
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[00:37:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[00:37:57] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1097
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[00:38:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> ack, i summoned the beverage troll
[00:40:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> and now for the ritual dishes washing
[00:47:30] * JamesNZ feels summoned and purposeful
[00:47:33] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[00:47:33] <Bender> karma - tea: 409
[00:47:35] <JamesNZ> --coffee
[00:47:35] <Hedonismbot> Karma - coffee: 276
[01:02:37] <crutchy> coffee++
[01:02:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1098
[01:03:11] <crutchy> ~time chicago
[01:03:30] <crutchy> 404 bot not found
[01:04:00] <crutchy> dinner time eh
[01:09:55] <juggs> throw another shrimp on the barby mate
[01:13:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmmmm.... nanner puddin
[01:15:42] <juggs> looks like the Commander was on a roll today :D
[01:21:45] <crutchy> the NCommander?
[01:22:30] <chromas> does he have two panes?
[01:23:11] <juggs> crutchy, yes that one
[01:23:48] <crutchy> ~define NCommander
[01:23:53] <crutchy> derp
[01:27:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://soylentnews.org
[01:27:24] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN journal What's coming in the next /code update ... 04(0 comments)
[01:29:38] <juggs> I suspect we will be needing a legion of bug hunters to iron out the quirks. :D
[01:30:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> pffft, we just dip into petty cash for a couple cases of soda for Bytram and don't let him sleep until they're all found.
[01:30:47] <juggs> petty cash is pretty much all we have right now!
[01:31:38] <juggs> but, yah, Bytram does have a certain gift for finding the nasties
[01:31:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, we can turn him upside down and shake him till his wallet falls out and use his petty cash instead.
[01:32:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> he's the one getting the soda, it's fair.
[01:32:16] <juggs> well he does keep breaking things
[01:32:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, and we haven't once charged him anything for it
[01:33:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> he should be here for this, it's more fun when he is.
[01:33:55] <juggs> a new, "innovative", funding source - we can call it the reverse payroll! Genius, it's bound to be a success.
[01:34:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> hell, isn't that how we got our startup capital anyway?
[01:35:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> you should patent it anyway. then you can troll anyone you find using it later.
[01:35:41] <juggs> not quite given the share issuance in progress. more of a gamble than a reverse payroll really
[01:37:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> that reminds me, i want a share of stock too.
[01:37:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> just one though
[01:38:03] <crutchy> chicken flavour?
[01:38:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> beef AND chicken. they're almost always better mixed.
[01:38:58] <juggs> did you see the price matt_ was mentioning for getting the certificates made up? eek... not sure we want to do that for a single share. Is that a US thing? Over here most companies don't bother with printed certificates, it's just an electronic register.
[01:39:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, missed that bit. mrcoolbp can hand write it if he likes. i'm not picky.
[01:40:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> bonus points if he draws a chicken and a cow on it.
[01:40:17] <juggs> ~$25 per cert I think
[01:40:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> gak
[01:40:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> they better be awful pretty
[01:40:39] <crutchy> doesnt that mean SN gotta become a limited liability company?
[01:40:45] <juggs> better be watermarked too!
[01:41:01] <juggs> crutchy, no. still PBC.
[01:41:28] <crutchy> cos without means shareholders would be liable?
[01:41:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> pbc can issue stock, they're just not obligated to maximize profit like a regular corp would be.
[01:41:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, nah. shareholders got lots of protections in the states.
[01:42:15] <crutchy> i thought that was purpose of LLC
[01:42:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's basically fuck-all you can do to em
[01:42:38] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[01:42:45] <juggs> iirc, shareholders are only liable for the amount they have invested. i.e. their shares become worth nil.
[01:44:20] <crutchy> if SN stops paying hosting bills, does the guy who signed cop the bill?
[01:44:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, they just cut us off.
[01:45:09] <crutchy> in straya just calling yourself a 'sahreholder' isn't enough. you gotta be registered as a limited liability company and be subjected to the associated bureaucratic requirements
[01:45:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> but yeah, in that kinda situation the company but not the shareholders would owe nothing.
[01:46:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> or something like that. my english isn't so smurfy tonight.
[01:47:49] <crutchy> we have a whole government department dedicated pretty such solely to keeping corporations under their thumb
[01:47:57] <crutchy> ASIC
[01:48:06] <juggs> well the hosting is effectively paid in advance. We stop paying, the hosting stops - no-one is out of pocket. Well the subscribers are I suppose.
[01:48:10] * crutchy gets shivers just typing it
[01:49:12] <juggs> ooh, looks like pj has been busy as well with the subs stuff. :D
[01:49:30] <crutchy> yeah saw that in the spy channel
[01:49:32] <juggs> Sorry, I'm slowly wending my way through various scroll backs
[01:49:49] <crutchy> looks like the devuan logind guy has been progressing a bit too
[01:50:19] <juggs> hmm... thjink I still have my piespy bot in that channel... forgot about that
[01:50:56] <juggs> http://juggsdrobly.manichostingservices.co.uk
[01:51:01] <crutchy> loggie is in there
[01:51:29] <juggs> Not sure why I'm bothering running that really
[01:51:38] <crutchy> ah the freenode channel
[01:51:55] <crutchy> yeah you prolly better off putting into the #devuan-dev channel on freenode
[01:52:07] <crutchy> or there's prolly another super secret channel by now
[01:52:28] <juggs> why? It's really of no interest
[01:52:34] <crutchy> for all their "openness" they seem pretty keen to keep their dev discussion out of troll territory
[01:52:42] <juggs> what the hell happened to Konomi?
[01:52:48] <crutchy> she bailed
[01:52:54] <juggs> shame
[01:52:58] <crutchy> she's in #boxedfox on freenode
[01:53:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> we prolly look that way too lately, haven't been talking in open channels much on dev stuff.
[01:53:14] <crutchy> chromas and i yack with her a bit occasionally
[01:53:19] <crutchy> her bot is in there too
[01:53:50] <crutchy> tmb, thas ok i got tabs on all yer github repos :p
[01:54:00] * SirFinkus is playing with ipfs
[01:55:41] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, same on the recent share discussions. But it's not deliberate, just the discussions spontaneously erupt when everyone is available. I intend to do a "State of the Wallet" type post once the share stuff is done and we kinda know where we stand. Probably align it with the new subs code release if that is not too far off.
[01:56:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> spread em out a week or so if ya can so we can have separate arguments
[01:56:25] <juggs> good thought
[01:56:38] <crutchy> http://imgur.com
[01:56:38] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03How It's Made: - Imgur
[01:56:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i like a good argument. shame to muddle em together and waste one.
[01:56:57] <crutchy> gotta love the first comment: "Oh seriously, fuck you. I had shit to do today."
[01:57:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> har
[01:57:35] <crutchy> how_its_made-- # engage super procrastination powers
[01:57:35] <Bender> karma - how_its_made: -1
[01:57:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like i managed about 20-30 comments today
[01:59:23] <juggs> weird - we have that or similar series on some FTA channel here, with a brit narrator. It's some hypnotic, slow paced stuff.
[01:59:50] * crutchy resists urge to submit to hours of 'how its made' videos since he's tethered to a 4g connection :/
[02:01:04] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, I noticed you stirring things up on a couple stories today. I giggled when someone called you a republican :D
[02:01:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, me too
[02:01:14] <crutchy> ew nasty
[02:01:45] <crutchy> i trust tmb replied with "you're a SOCIALIST!"
[02:02:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> like i give a damn what kind of sex people are having or whether they wanna marry a another guy or a pig or whatever
[02:02:09] <crutchy> was that the one about the deflation?
[02:02:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> that and the wal-mart one
[02:02:24] <crutchy> i resisted the urge to poke fun at idiot keynesians
[02:02:39] <crutchy> the urge was strong
[02:02:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh not me, i jumped in with both feet
[02:04:57] <SirFinkus> anyone else playing with ipfs?
[02:05:05] <crutchy> it'll be good when they finally give up. it'll prolly only take the (real) free market a couple of years to clean up all the redistributionist bullshit
[02:05:43] <crutchy> SirFinkus, never heard of ipfs
[02:06:01] <crutchy> for some reason it makes me think of 'i pee freely'
[02:06:07] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[02:06:07] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03IPFS Alpha Demo - YouTube
[02:07:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> what kind of fucktard does a tech story as video?
[02:07:59] <crutchy> yeah i can't watch it :(
[02:08:10] <crutchy> only got 1g of data
[02:08:25] <chromas> unlimited hours over an extremely limited amount of time
[02:08:42] <SirFinkus> well, there's a website too, but the video explains it better
[02:08:45] <SirFinkus> http://ipfs.io
[02:08:45] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03 ( / )
[02:08:57] <crutchy> ooh SlashSpace
[02:09:11] <crutchy> http://slashspace.com
[02:09:12] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03slashspace.com
[02:09:19] <crutchy> http://slashspacebracket.com
[02:09:19] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03ERROR: The requested URL could not be retrieved
[02:09:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, ima pass. i do NOT want my applications distributed.
[02:10:17] <chromas> isn't that the point of X?
[02:10:40] <crutchy> i was thinking ftp
[02:10:52] <crutchy> s/$/2.0/
[02:10:52] <sedctl> <crutchy> i was thinking ftp2.0
[02:11:03] <chromas> ftp--
[02:11:03] <Bender> karma - ftp: -1
[02:11:17] <juggs> Oooo.. kay.... what wankery is this now?!?!? "IPFS is a new hypermedia distribution protocol, addressed by content and identities." WTF is hypermedia???
[02:11:35] <crutchy> its the latest thing
[02:11:43] <crutchy> cos "cloud" is soooo yesterday
[02:12:08] <crutchy> only apple devices can access it cos nothing else is shiny enough
[02:12:16] <SirFinkus> it's basically a distributed filesystem
[02:12:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> also, i trust not a group that comes up with the term hypermedia
[02:13:09] <crutchy> sounds interesting. i'm assuming it extends ftp with new (hopefully more secure) features
[02:13:11] <juggs> So call it a distributed filesystem. Not a fucking " hypermedia distribution protocol
[02:13:30] <crutchy> or maybe sftp
[02:13:51] <crutchy> take sftp and add some crunchy cornflakes
[02:13:51] <SirFinkus> no, it's more bittorrenty
[02:13:57] <crutchy> ah
[02:15:08] <juggs> oh joy.. a p2p distributed hypermedia distribution protocol. fuck it, run it over tor too and put a couple of blades on the handle! :D
[02:15:17] <crutchy> bittorrent over sftp over tor over ssl
[02:15:29] <SirFinkus> lol
[02:15:35] <crutchy> "it's full of tubes!"
[02:16:22] <crutchy> "It aims to make the web faster"
[02:16:24] <SirFinkus> I've only played with it locally, but you can even mount ipfs shares as filesystems
[02:16:34] <crutchy> ok if it will increase my internet connection speed i'm sold
[02:16:47] <chromas> Download more ram
[02:17:03] <crutchy> does that require formatting my mouse first?
[02:17:11] * chromas updates his megahertz
[02:17:54] * crutchy is still looking for the any key
[02:20:52] <juggs> SirFinkus, I'm confused. What problem is it trying to solve?
[02:20:55] <paulej72> juggs we should try to decide on the new min price points for subs
[02:22:07] <SirFinkus> make the web more decentralized, I see it as FTP vs Bittorrent
[02:23:09] <juggs> SirFinkus, we should federate it all - a shiva plug in every home! What could possibly go wrong.
[02:23:26] <juggs> paulej72, OK
[02:24:38] <juggs> paulej72, what are offering? 1, 3, 6, 12 months?
[02:24:49] <paulej72> 1, 6 , 12
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[02:25:16] <paulej72> i like this one: chromas: $4.99, $14.95, $29.99
[02:25:23] <chromas> It'd be nifty to use all the computers in the house we one giant hdd
[02:25:35] <juggs> Current sub is $20 / year right?
[02:25:36] <chromas> s/we/as/
[02:25:36] <sedctl> <chromas> It'd be nifty to use all the computers in the house as one giant hdd
[02:25:56] <paulej72> chromas: I think there is software to do that.
[02:26:33] <juggs> and let's not twat around with .99 and .95 price points.
[02:26:53] <chromas> ipfs?
[02:26:54] <paulej72> I believe Google was doing something like that. So much spinning rust on compute nodes going to waste that they gave it away free in Gmail
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[02:27:33] <SirFinkus> well, if they get it right, it'd be a lot more efficient than what we're doing now
[02:28:08] <juggs> paulej72, I take it the idea is to set a minimum and allow users to set their own price above that and recurrence interval right?
[02:28:20] <paulej72> yep
[02:28:44] <juggs> ok
[02:28:56] <chromas> The higher ratio of $-to-length, the golder the star
[02:29:03] <paulej72> https://dev.soylentnews.org
[02:29:03] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03302 Moved ( https://dev.soylentnews.org )
[02:29:19] <paulej72> need to be logged in to see
[02:29:32] <SirFinkus> !grab chromas
[02:29:32] <Bender> Added quote 394
[02:30:27] <chromas> for anyone paying the bare minimum, they get a 6-point star >:)
[02:30:33] <paulej72> i got most of the code worked out, but I need to fix the admin stats email better than i did last time.
[02:31:29] <paulej72> the real nice thing about this change it requied no db schema changes so far. which makes it easier to deploy
[02:32:47] <juggs> paulej72, $2, $10, $19 minimums - keeps us more inline with current rates and encourages longer subs. Probably needs discussion around whether the $20/year was the right point to have previously. Are we offering anything additional for an above minimum sub?
[02:34:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, we do needa run a discussion post on it.
[02:35:15] <paulej72> not at thi time, and $2 is too low as it gets eaten by PP
[02:35:22] <juggs> Perhaps an optionally (on/off in prefs) displayed money bag next to the sub star when posting :D It's not another tier of user as they have no perks, just an icon.
[02:35:48] <juggs> paulej72, good point - forgot about fees. Most subs are via PP right?
[02:36:10] <paulej72> that would be a lot more work to set up as it would require db schema changes and lots more templates to change
[02:36:22] <paulej72> 90%+
[02:36:40] <juggs> what's the min PP fee?
[02:38:05] <paulej72> 50 cents +3.9%
[02:40:39] <paulej72> or something like that. I think thoes noumbers were for the singapore site
[02:42:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> honestly i think we should use $20 as the minimum. it's barely squeeking by for us right now.
[02:42:35] <juggs> I think there are some currency conversion charges for non-US too, but that looks about right, so perhaps $5, $10, $19 if we think the ~$20/year is right - the point of this not to rape subs, but to set subs at a sensible price ~and~ give a way to pay more as the sub deems fit I think.
[02:43:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> personally i'd prefer most folks go around $30
[02:43:26] <paulej72> yeah I think 20/year is a bit low
[02:43:31] <chromas> have auctions for pies and stuff
[02:43:49] <chromas> or dollar raffles
[02:44:01] <juggs> I'd prefer folks go around $300 TMB :D Hosting costs wouldn;t be an issue.
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[02:45:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> $20 as a minimum is fine, long as it's made known we can't really do much if only the minimum is paid.
[02:45:14] <juggs> To be fair, we're not requiring people to sub to use the site. Perhaps we should look at price points common in lame RPGs... typically $5/month.
[02:45:26] Bytram|away is now known as bytram
[02:45:32] bytram is now known as Bytram
[02:45:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, why'd you break it this time? NC woulda had apache2/mod_perl2 working today if it wasn't for you.
[02:46:55] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: whadayamean? I do NOT break it... it's already borken and I help you find out where! =)
[02:47:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i'm thinking $5/$12/$20
[02:47:24] <Bytram> speaking of which... on this page: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[02:47:25] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03302 Moved ( https://dev.soylentnews.org )
[02:47:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, you broke it on account of we always blame broken stuff on you.
[02:47:46] <Bytram> I see: "You can buy a subscription for yourself or a gift subscription for another user. Payments are handled by PayPal (for PayPal payments and credit cards) and BitPay (for Bitcoin payments). You can purchase a 365 day subscription for only $20.00 US.
[02:47:47] <Bytram> "
[02:47:58] <chromas> + service fees, e911 fee. we'll send you a second steak knife for free but you pay separate 'processing'
[02:48:01] <Bytram> oh goody! I have a purpose in life!
[02:48:03] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[02:48:15] <paulej72> That was an earler version that was not fully fixed yet
[02:48:55] <Bytram> nod nod
[02:49:02] <Bytram> !weather
[02:49:08] <Bytram> ^weather
[02:49:19] <chromas> ^weather 97420
[02:49:20] <geotti_away> [97420 - Coos Bay, OR] Clear. Temp is 8.4*C but feels like 8*C. Humidity: 80%.
[02:49:24] <Bytram> global warming broke the weather? Or did I do *THAT*, too?
[02:49:25] <paulej72> actually it will just default to the old buttons if you click contiune
[02:49:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> him and nc both are being bad, bad devs and using the dev box instead of a vm =P
[02:49:46] <Bytram> tsk tsk
[02:49:59] <Bytram> they gonna each hafta forfeit one internets
[02:50:05] <paulej72> its called dev for a reason
[02:50:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, crutchy collect the internets for us.
[02:50:29] <Bytram> okay then, where's the qa server?
[02:50:36] <Bytram> brb
[02:50:37] <ciri> where you going? Bytram
[02:50:44] <paulej72> but soon we may have two different slash sites running on a single box
[02:50:55] * juggs shudders
[02:50:57] <Bytram> don't cross the streams!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:51:07] <paulej72> staff slash is qa
[02:51:35] <paulej72> that is where I test all of our db updates befroe deploys
[02:51:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> we should get that down to a science so we can have multiples. could keep the deploy testing and dev on the same box.
[02:52:37] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: we may need to give it more memory by making it a 4G account if we do that, but it does seeem like a good idea
[02:52:42] <juggs> paulej72, TheMightyBuzzard $5/$13/$25 ? Perhaps I should bring forward my State of the Wallet post and request input?
[02:53:00] <Bytram> paulej72: hooookay.... up to now, tmb and I were using dev as a qa box. he'd develop on his own vm and roll it out to dev for me to test
[02:53:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, shuffle that one out say march first?
[02:53:38] <paulej72> yes we need some community input. the slackers here are too contaminated by the staff to offer any real options
[02:53:46] <Bytram> also, staff slash has actually useful information on it, such as review of incorporation docs
[02:53:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth
[02:53:49] <juggs> paulej72, there is no point shuffling 2x 2G into 1x 4G from a cost perspective. 4G cost exactly twice a 2G. No cost saving.
[02:53:50] * chromas whistles nonchalantly
[02:54:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, yeah, we'd only lose disk space then
[02:54:24] <paulej72> no but it is a savings to take 3 2Gs and make 1 4G
[02:54:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[02:54:36] <juggs> aye
[02:54:37] <Bytram> gnawed gnawed
[02:54:45] <juggs> hi Bytram
[02:54:46] <ciri> hello, whats up juggs
[02:54:53] * TheMightyBuzzard goes to play cat wrangler
[02:55:10] <Bytram> juggs: hiya! burning the midnight oil again, I see?
[02:55:23] * Bytram offers TheMightyBuzzard some catnip
[02:55:32] <juggs> as always you've been getting a lot of stick for breaking things. I think NCommander wants a word... something about Apache2.x
[02:55:45] <paulej72> crossbow for cat wrangling
[02:55:50] <Bytram> brb
[02:55:51] <ciri> when you coming back. miss ya already! ;) Bytram
[02:56:18] <juggs> Bytram, the night pleases me. It's quiet.
[02:56:44] <Bytram> no arguments there!
[02:56:48] <paulej72> that big yellow thing in the sky makes my skin hurt
[02:56:57] <chromas> …too quiet. Look out, Fox!
[02:57:20] * Bytram hurries to grab a couple hens from the henhouse
[02:57:29] * Bytram can blame it on the fox
[02:58:33] * juggs looks at arstechnica subs page. /me is a little sick as a result. Nooo.. bad model.
[02:59:11] <juggs> subscriber only content.. just no.
[02:59:37] <Bytram> juggs++
[02:59:37] <Bender> karma - juggs: 56
[03:00:09] <juggs> what did I do now?
[03:00:28] <chromas> you were brave enough to say "no"
[03:00:47] <Bytram> let me clarify... subscriber only *content* - no. subscriber only features / capabilities, that could be justified.
[03:01:14] <chromas> a karma bonus of 1.5
[03:01:44] <crutchy> maybe subscribers could get moar troll powahs
[03:01:49] <chromas> s/karma/starting score bonus/
[03:01:49] <sedctl> <chromas> a starting score bonus bonus of 1.5
[03:02:07] <paulej72> i decided the current admin subs stats email is too complicated and I can make it much better for us and have it actually work. It will take me a few hours tomorrow to get it working.
[03:02:11] <crutchy> then if the other trolls they're trolling want moar troll powahs of their own they just have to pay moar
[03:02:13] <Bytram> wow! a BONUS bonus!
[03:02:45] <crutchy> troll2.0 cloud xp edition
[03:02:49] <Bytram> nah, they just need to create more pock sucket accts
[03:02:52] <Bytram> nogrqab
[03:03:08] <chromas> crutchy: yeah, if they're not getting spam mods, they can refill their karma for just a dolla nitey nine
[03:04:46] <Bytram> juggs: Is the goal with subscriptions to cover our hosting costs? what abouts having a $300/mo banner that says "This month's hosting brought to you in part by [nick|anonymous]"
[03:04:50] <paulej72> karma points are 99 cents each
[03:04:59] <juggs> chromas - brave? no. Paywalls make me angry? yes. There's no point in the fucking things, they are worked around in minutes and the hidden content distributed anyway. All they do is piss people off. Not everyone in the world has $5 / month to wank away on a sub. If we do something well and ask people to pay what they think it is worth and what they can afford then I think we can do OK with that. If not, then no-one deserves the effort and we all di
[03:04:59] <juggs> e in a fire of freetardia.
[03:05:04] <Bytram> hmmm, in-game-currency?
[03:05:32] <crutchy> there's a suggestion on the wiki about that
[03:05:51] * Bytram was replying to chromas suggestion
[03:06:06] <paulej72> $5 to throw virtual poo at E-F
[03:06:20] <crutchy> paulej72, he might beg for more
[03:06:41] <paulej72> that would just increase sales
[03:06:42] <crutchy> $5 to not see E-F beg for virtual poo
[03:06:49] <Bytram> $5 to virtually throw real poo at E-F
[03:07:36] <juggs> Bytram, we're working on subs code right now. The sponsored banner idea is a good one, but if we can avoid it by increasing the subs base, so much the better. We're not going for FaceTwit and sell out are we?
[03:07:53] <Bytram> hell no!
[03:08:01] <chromas> Just a simple <h1> at the top
[03:08:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait, would it be for enough that i get my own caribbean island?
[03:08:14] <paulej72> I don’t want to be Wikipedia either
[03:08:18] <chromas> "Brought to you by Lifebuoy brand soap!"
[03:08:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause if so, fuck tha lot of yas.
[03:08:30] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, no - you have no shares :P
[03:08:35] <Bytram> I was just thinking it woul dbe nice if we provided a way for our community to directly cover those costs so we could use the subs towards accountants, etc.
[03:08:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh ya
[03:08:42] <crutchy> there's a shitload of wasted space at the top of the page. just put a text-only ad there
[03:08:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> see, thas why i want one.
[03:08:51] <Bytram> 'xactly
[03:09:05] <paulej72> but he could submit a petty cash chit
[03:09:40] <paulej72> noone does text only ads
[03:09:43] <Bytram> crutchy: yes, just plain text. I knew what I meant, but failed to make it explicit.
[03:10:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> punch the monkey!
[03:10:18] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, share issuance isn't up to me. Hammer on matt_ and NCommander and mrcoolbp for that. I believe it is a board decision.
[03:10:26] <Bytram> also, it would help if there were a statement on the site somewhere that any financial input is appreciated, but in no way will it affect our editorial independence.
[03:10:28] <crutchy> google started out with text only ads. they just got greedy
[03:10:34] <chromas> googles used to do text ads. Start up a new division, Soylent Ad Network
[03:10:57] <Bytram> chromas: exactly.
[03:11:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, i want one share of stock so i can be a gerzillionaire when we sell out to dice for twenty thousand gerzillion dollars.
[03:11:32] <chromas> they still have text ads
[03:12:05] <juggs> mrcoolbp, I want 10000 shares of stock so I can be more richerer than TMB when we sell out to dice for twenty thousand gerzillion dollars. :D
[03:12:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> also so i can annoy NC and matt_ at shareholders meetings.
[03:12:33] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I'm curious... how many folks have karma at 50, or very close to it?
[03:12:37] <crutchy> just become an ircop and put TheMightyBot in there to annoy thhem
[03:12:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno. paulej72 you have a terminal up to the live db?
[03:12:56] <crutchy> we need to increase karma cap... for a price
[03:13:09] <crutchy> 1000 karma for only $99.99
[03:13:16] <Bytram> crutchy: I disagree. the limit serves a necessary purpose.
[03:13:22] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: yes
[03:13:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> how many folks got max karma?
[03:13:34] <chromas> need a karma sink though
[03:13:34] <crutchy> get a bonus 500 karma if you get our SuperTroll package
[03:13:42] <juggs> TMB, please don't disturb them right now. My foot is sore from kicking them to get the share stuff sorted so we kinda vaguely have books.
[03:13:45] * Bytram was on /. before there was a karma cap... troll wars reigned and it was not pretty.
[03:14:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, we should age karma.
[03:14:35] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: comming up need to find the correct table
[03:14:40] <juggs> Reminds me, I'd really like to have 1 to 1 with matt_.
[03:14:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> users_info i think
[03:15:13] <Bytram> select karma, count(karma) from user_info where user_info.karma > 40;
[03:15:15] <chromas> Maybe the karma-gives-mod-bonus could cost a karma each post
[03:15:22] * Bytram thinks that is pretty close
[03:15:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> just count(karma) will do
[03:16:05] <paulej72> 327
[03:16:07] * Bytram is a little rusty on his SQL.
[03:16:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> i was thinking just age it every week by a point or two.
[03:16:34] <Bytram> I was looking for a count for each karma in the range of 45..50
[03:17:18] <paulej72> 4730
[03:17:28] <paulej72> lol
[03:17:30] <ciri> i missed it, what are you laughing at? >.>
[03:17:35] <Bytram> !uid
[03:17:35] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5095, owned by darent
[03:17:49] <paulej72> 365 accouns hav karma blow 45
[03:17:52] <Bytram> we've got a pretty talented community then
[03:18:26] <paulej72> sorry that was backwards,
[03:18:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> at two points a week it'd take like six months to lose all your karma, a year at one per
[03:18:33] <crutchy> nooooo! don't age karma. then i'd actually have to post as myself and risk those pesky trolls accusing me of being the troll that i am
[03:18:39] <paulej72> reverse the numbers
[03:18:54] <chromas> aged karma tastes better
[03:19:00] <paulej72> 365 account above 45
[03:19:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, i've got max karma after thirty or so posts in a socialism/capitalism flamewar today.
[03:19:15] <paulej72> 430 above 35
[03:19:18] <Bytram> paulej72: you mean I get 2 karma points for each week my acct exists?
[03:19:22] <juggs> OK - I'm going to do a State of the Wallet lite post for now, specifically asking for input on what people think would be good price points. There's still stuff unresolved to be able to do a full State of the Wallet and I'd like to get this sooner rather than later. Post or Poll?
[03:19:30] <paulej72> 525 above 25
[03:19:48] <paulej72> 676 above 15
[03:19:51] <Bytram> juggs: polls can be stuffed; I prefer spost
[03:19:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... post
[03:20:05] <Bytram> s/spost/post/
[03:20:05] <sedctl> <Bytram> juggs: polls can be stuffed; I prefer post
[03:20:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> that way you can get the why as well as the what
[03:20:07] <paulej72> 1732 above 0
[03:20:33] <juggs> fuck it, post it is.
[03:20:37] <Bytram> paulej72: neat; how many *at* the cap?
[03:20:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> that can't be right. means we have like 3.xK people with negative karma.
[03:20:50] <paulej72> 29 with negitive karma
[03:20:53] <chromas> or at 0
[03:20:55] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: could be 3k at exactly zero; no?
[03:21:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> shaddup with your vulcan logic
[03:21:16] <paulej72> 3334 at zero
[03:21:22] <juggs> Bytram++
[03:21:22] <Bender> karma - bytram: 30
[03:21:22] <Bytram> ta dah!
[03:21:26] <juggs> Bytram++
[03:21:26] <Bender> karma - bytram: 31
[03:21:26] <juggs> Bytram++
[03:21:26] <Bender> karma - bytram: 32
[03:21:27] <juggs> Bytram++
[03:21:27] <Bender> karma - bytram: 33
[03:21:27] <juggs> Bytram++
[03:21:27] <Bender> karma - bytram: 34
[03:21:28] <juggs> Bytram++
[03:21:28] <Bender> karma - bytram: 35
[03:21:28] <juggs> Bytram++
[03:21:28] <Bender> karma - bytram: 36
[03:21:29] <juggs> Bytram++
[03:21:29] <Bender> karma - bytram: 37
[03:21:30] <juggs> Bytram++
[03:21:30] <Bender> karma - bytram: 38
[03:21:31] <Bytram> whoah!
[03:21:32] <juggs> Bytram++
[03:21:32] <Bender> karma - bytram: 39
[03:21:33] <paulej72> 327 at cap
[03:21:36] <juggs> Bytram++
[03:21:36] <Bender> karma - bytram: 40
[03:21:38] <juggs> Bytram++
[03:21:38] <Bender> karma - bytram: 41
[03:21:40] <juggs> Bytram++
[03:21:40] <Bender> karma - bytram: 42
[03:21:43] <crutchy> don't do poll
[03:21:46] <juggs> ooh lag
[03:21:53] <crutchy> though we need more regliar polls
[03:21:54] * Bytram is flattered...
[03:21:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i cheat on polls
[03:22:03] <chromas> like it's hard
[03:22:05] <crutchy> coffee--
[03:22:05] <Bender> karma - tea: 410
[03:22:08] <crutchy> :D
[03:22:19] <Bytram> and now that I'm at 42, for some reason I still don't feel like I know the meaning of life the universe and everything.
[03:22:24] * Bytram is disappointed.
[03:22:36] <Bytram> !whoup bytram
[03:22:37] <Bender> uppers of bytram are: crutchy: 19, juggs: 14, chromas: 2, TheMightyBuzzard: 2, TK: 2, MrBluze: 1, nick: 1, n1: 1, Cyprus: 1
[03:22:44] <crutchy> how the hell are you only 42?
[03:22:45] <ciri> doing good, and you?
[03:22:45] <Bytram> !whoup juggs
[03:22:46] <Bender> uppers of juggs are: crutchy: 15, Bytram: 9, chromas: 6, TheMightyBuzzard: 4, xlefay: 3, nick: 3, JamesNZ: 2, arti: 2, Landon: 1, martyb: 1, andrew: 1, SlaveOfJuggs: 1, mrcoolbp: 1, ar: 1, pbnjoe: 1, Konomi: 1, hax0rz: 1, TK: 1, stderr: 1, ciri: 1
[03:22:46] <juggs> at least you are not a bowl of tulips or a whale
[03:22:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> !whodown bytram
[03:22:50] <Bender> downers of bytram are: Bytram: -1
[03:22:53] <crutchy> lol
[03:22:54] <ciri> i missed it, what are you laughing at? >.>
[03:22:58] <crutchy> Bytram++
[03:22:58] <Bender> karma - bytram: 43
[03:23:15] <Bytram> my brain is melting....
[03:23:15] <chromas> Bytram++ # taking you further from the answer
[03:23:15] <Bender> karma - bytram: 44
[03:23:20] <juggs> Bytram--
[03:23:20] <Bender> karma - bytram: 43
[03:23:21] <juggs> Bytram--
[03:23:21] <Bender> karma - bytram: 42
[03:23:27] * Bytram needs braaaaiinnnnnzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
[03:23:27] <juggs> sorted
[03:23:41] <juggs> what was the question again?
[03:23:45] <Bytram> juggs: mare see!
[03:23:49] <crutchy> juggs, s/t/'/
[03:23:49] <sedctl> <crutchy> <juggs> wha' was the question again?
[03:23:53] <crutchy> aw
[03:23:53] <Bytram> poll or post?
[03:23:58] <paulej72> I was at 42 for a while then someone moved me off
[03:23:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> what do you get when you multiply six by seven, or sometimes nine
[03:24:09] <crutchy> you spelt sorted wrong, in pommy laanguage anyway
[03:24:10] <Bytram> paulej72++
[03:24:10] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 105
[03:24:15] <paulej72> see
[03:24:21] <Bytram> looks like it may have been a while ago, then
[03:24:26] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[03:24:26] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 146
[03:24:31] <Bytram> NCommander++
[03:24:31] <Bender> karma - ncommander: 57
[03:24:32] <Bytram> NCommander++
[03:24:32] <Bender> karma - ncommander: 58
[03:24:32] <Bytram> NCommander++
[03:24:32] <Bender> karma - ncommander: 59
[03:24:33] <Bytram> NCommander++
[03:24:33] <Bender> karma - ncommander: 60
[03:24:44] <paulej72> yeah I think it was arrond the irc server move
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[03:25:03] <Bytram> afk / back in a few minutes
[03:25:15] <paulej72> no not allowd
[03:25:26] <paulej72> bad kitty
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[03:28:30] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahaha guys I did some stupid shit -
[03:28:31] <paulej72> look who the cat dragged in
[03:28:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> no... not YOU
[03:28:48] <paulej72> you logged in here Ethanol-fueled
[03:29:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh hey, Ethanol-fueled, you're failing in trolling. ar is beating you by a pretty wide margin.
[03:29:38] <Ethanol-fueled> I have a web programming final tomorrow, and I decided to back up my code from the school's FTP server. I prepared a local folder for backup, but instead of hitting "update," I hit "synchronize"
[03:29:45] <juggs> .op
[03:29:45] -!- mode/#Soylent [+o juggs] by juggler
[03:29:49] <juggs> .deop
[03:29:49] -!- mode/#Soylent [-o juggs] by juggler
[03:30:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> woops
[03:30:14] <Ethanol-fueled> which means that instead of copying my remote code into the empty local folder, it made the remote folder empty like my local folder.
[03:30:16] <juggs> sorry - muscle memory kicked in
[03:30:21] <crutchy> Ethanol-fueled, that's ok just pilfer something from github
[03:30:31] <paulej72> Ethanol-fueled: do they have snapshots on the server
[03:30:46] <Ethanol-fueled> paulay, I just e-mailed them asking them to restore my folder, so I hope so.
[03:31:04] <Ethanol-fueled> If not its not a big deal, because I have all my other study materials and the code for my latest assignment.
[03:31:07] <juggs> EF - rsync the wrong way - that shit can burn
[03:31:10] <Ethanol-fueled> All the other shit's already been graded.
[03:31:30] <paulej72> our servers have a ~snapshot directory at the top level that keeps online backups
[03:31:30] <Ethanol-fueled> yeah Juggs, and it doesn't help that in the FTP application I was using both buttons are next to each other
[03:31:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, fuck it then. it prolly sucks anyway since you're just starting out.
[03:31:46] <paulej72> top level to each user that is
[03:31:51] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard, I'll get to trolling after I knock out the final tomorrow.
[03:31:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> i know my shit did
[03:32:27] <Ethanol-fueled> you were doing a pretty good job of it in teh Wal Mart discussion.
[03:32:42] <Ethanol-fueled> Pissin' mofos off left and right.
[03:32:46] * juggs minimises IRC to do "how much you wanna pay" post sans distraction
[03:32:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, em's legit views. sjws just hate that people can disagree with them.
[03:33:17] <Ethanol-fueled> hahaha
[03:33:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> legit arguments are more fun than trollin
[03:34:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause you get to be right
[03:34:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> still fun making them foam at the mouth though
[03:35:39] <juggs> Need new "Topic" titled "Soylent"
[03:36:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, we have it i thought, you just have to set it as an editor rather than when you do the sub.
[03:36:07] <paulej72> there is one
[03:36:24] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, but regardless of the article's merit I am sceptical about such things as raising minimum wage - it's more about pushing the middle-class down rather than the working class up.
[03:36:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, it doesn't show up when you go to sub something though, just for editors.
[03:36:40] <Bytram> back
[03:36:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, yep. greed n envy, yo.
[03:37:01] <Ethanol-fueled> Not to mention that, if all of America's so-called "job growth" is all shit-jobs, then we don't need any more low-skilled laborers in the US.
[03:37:01] <Bytram> yeah, and the editor's control for topics... what's up with *that*?
[03:37:10] <paulej72> well there was one I thought
[03:37:23] <juggs> ok - not in the drop down when doing the initial sub, I'll get to it on edit if I can get my words out to not sound like we have the begging cap out :D
[03:37:38] <Bytram> is there a reason that the editor's topic selector is not just a drop-down list box?
[03:37:41] <Ethanol-fueled> was going to make a reference to that, but then it would go into Brown Menace territory.
[03:37:43] <paulej72> yeah that is it
[03:38:15] <paulej72> so nobody can sneek in a site article by an unattended editor
[03:38:18] * Bytram only played with the current control a couple times and was crossing his fingers the whole time.
[03:38:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> brown folks from down south i dig. hell i'm in favor of anyone wanting to come here n work hard for a good life. we got very few like that here lately.
[03:38:47] <paulej72> turn the current up, it makes my skin tingle
[03:39:37] <Bytram> is there anything ready for me to poke at? I've got to be at work in a little over 12 hours :/
[03:39:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> maybe if we traded mexico 1:1 welfare recipient for someone who wants a job...
[03:40:08] <paulej72> I like the latin aamerican people who work construction. They ususally can get into all of thoes small and tight areas to do insulation work or what not
[03:40:52] <paulej72> Bytram: just poking fun at Ethanol-fueled’s expense
[03:40:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> and they like speedy gonzolez, which puts em up in my book
[03:41:06] <Bytram> paulej72: so, no code for me to break?
[03:41:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> nothin ready yet i don't think
[03:41:22] <Bytram> k
[03:41:33] <Ethanol-fueled> no joke, pauley, we had a little mestizo at the shipyards we called "speedy Gonzalez" and he could dart cable in and out of all the nooks and crannies.
[03:41:38] <Ethanol-fueled> Hard worker too, very fast.
[03:41:49] <paulej72> not yet, I don’t have it ready yet, and TheMightyBuzzard been slacking :)
[03:42:02] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard, I like your idea about welfare recipients
[03:42:22] <Bytram> Ethanol-fueled: but what would mexico do with them once they got 'em?
[03:42:47] <Ethanol-fueled> Bytram, they're a bunch of meth-addicts anyway. No difference there, they'd be right at home.
[03:42:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> let em starve i expect. mexico ain't as bleedin heart as we are.
[03:43:22] <Ethanol-fueled> Mexico's fucking ruthless. And that's only the tourist traps...
[03:43:41] <Bytram> lemme rephrase, *why* would mexico be willing to swap willing workers for welfare-ers
[03:44:06] <Ethanol-fueled> Bytram, because Mexico has a booming drug business and welfare-ers do a lot more drugs than willing workers.
[03:44:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause it wouldn't cost them anything if we agreed to chip in for burials
[03:44:29] <Ethanol-fueled> Where would the welfare-ers get their drug money? By dealing drugs and crime, of course.
[03:44:33] <chromas> what about repatriados?
[03:44:33] <Ethanol-fueled> Hhahah
[03:44:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> who knows, some of em might even get a fucking job
[03:45:02] <juggs> This down for anyone else? https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[03:45:03] <Ethanol-fueled> Allright, gonna bail. Catch y'all fellas later.
[03:45:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> nite
[03:45:11] <ciri> nite, sleep well TheMightyBuzzard
[03:45:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
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[03:45:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, bytram broke the wiki
[03:45:27] <juggs> fucks sake
[03:45:32] <paulej72> welfarers sell ther food stamps for pennies on a dollar to get durg and booze money
[03:45:42] <juggs> paulej72, fix wiki
[03:45:46] <juggs> :D
[03:45:50] * Bytram waves a belated goodbye at Ethanol-fueled
[03:46:38] * Bytram reviews stories in the story queue
[03:46:45] <paulej72> whats wrong with wiki
[03:46:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Moore's Law Illustrated Through 19 Years of Lara Croft - http://sylnt.us - she-should-be-getting-older-too
[03:46:55] <paulej72> i jjust looged in
[03:47:10] <JamesNZ> !grab paulej72
[03:47:10] <Bender> Added quote 395
[03:47:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> sigh, juggs, no https on wiki
[03:47:32] <paulej72> was there ever?
[03:47:36] <chromas> ooh, sending passwords in plaintext
[03:47:55] <Bytram> hmmm... http://www.halloweencostumes.com
[03:47:56] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03The Many Faces of Lara Croft: Tomb Raider [Infographic] - Halloween Costumes Blog
[03:47:57] <juggs> ah, site news box needs updating then it links to wiki https
[03:48:01] <Bytram> http://www.halloweencostumes.com
[03:48:02] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03The Many Faces of Lara Croft: Tomb Raider [Infographic] - Halloween Costumes Blog
[03:48:24] * Bytram thinks that https was once supported.... goes to check his old tabs
[03:48:28] <juggs> oh wait... it's https everywhere plugin doing that
[03:48:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i think bytram did that
[03:48:45] <Bytram> nope, my old tabs were both http
[03:49:16] <juggs> newp - it's in the site box as https
[03:49:39] <paulej72> porbably proto agnostic link
[03:50:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> or mrcoolbp put it in wrong. fix it.
[03:50:10] <paulej72> that was mrcoolbp
[03:50:18] <paulej72> i am on it
[03:50:26] <juggs> http://wiki.soylentnews.org works. Fuck me we need that wildcard.
[03:50:26] <Hedonismbot> ^✓ 03Wiki: Finances
[03:50:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> smooth, now we got something we can blame him for next time he shows up
[03:50:51] <chromas> can you make a wildcard cert and sign it with the one you have?
[03:50:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> even bytram gets to blame someone
[03:51:13] * juggs minimises
[03:52:39] <paulej72> done
[03:53:52] <crutchy> why do we need wildcard cert?
[03:53:55] <paulej72> I never thought of getting the wildcard cert for all of our other servers. I think we should see how many names we need to cover so we can see if individual certs or a wildcard cert is better
[03:54:01] <crutchy> subdomains are overrated
[03:54:12] <crutchy> damn hipsters
[03:54:13] <chromas> says the guy who's got many
[03:54:18] <crutchy> lol
[03:54:18] <ciri> hehehe
[03:54:24] <crutchy> freebies :p
[03:54:36] <crutchy> and i only gots 5
[03:55:15] <crutchy> ~shorten http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[03:55:21] <crutchy> feck. damn bot
[03:55:39] <chromas> You can ssh from your phone
[03:56:10] <paulej72> wiki, irc, and chat are the only user facing subdomains we have that would need a cert
[03:56:19] <crutchy> if i wasn't lazy i'd just clone the github repo
[03:56:33] <paulej72> $16 each is better than 160 for a wildcard
[03:57:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> thought the last quote on a wildcard was like $50
[03:57:51] <paulej72> that was form some company that NC picked and we had to do a lot of paperwork for. Gandi wildcards are 160
[03:57:52] <arti> !g komodo wildcard cert
[03:57:53] <ciri> 3,520,000 results | Komodo...We Mean Comodo Dragon Protects You Online @ https://www.comodo.com | Debian / Ubuntu | ActiveState Community Site @ https://community.activestate.com | MBAM 2.0 SSL Help Desk Page 'An Error Has Occurred' - Microsoft @
[03:57:54] <ciri> https://social.technet.microsoft.com | Vibram Five Fingers Men's Cross Training / Fitness Shoe - Komodo ... @ http://www.sunsetshoesonline.net | Komodo SSL: Related Documents @
[03:57:55] <ciri> http://www.technologyevaluation.com
[03:57:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> ouch
[03:58:20] * arti did his grocery shopping
[03:58:24] <arti> rich with food
[03:58:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> food is good
[03:58:37] <paulej72> but nolonger rich with money
[03:58:52] * arti juggles some clementines
[03:59:13] <arti> it is better to have food and no money, than money and no food.
[03:59:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> money's evil, ask the guys i been arguing with all day. which totally don't explain why they want everyone else's.
[03:59:24] <arti> is his name mr coinblatt?
[03:59:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dunno, i think i attracted every socialist we have today.
[04:00:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> it was fun
[04:00:42] <juggs> paulej72, does your 1 month sub code set up a recurring PP sub? (I believe PP allows for setting up a sub)
[04:00:51] <arti> heh, pp.
[04:00:57] <paulej72> no as bp does not support that
[04:01:27] <paulej72> and it would require a different button, and I am not sure if we get an ipn for each
[04:01:55] <paulej72> i could look into that if we think it is necessary
[04:02:19] <paulej72> but i like the fact that we don’t force the user into a “permnetnt” sub
[04:02:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, we can offer both ways. i'll have a look when i start on stripe as well.
[04:03:10] <juggs> We'll see. Can't see many going for the monthly sub option given the cost override. But who knows. Hence the RFC
[04:03:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> right but there were at least a couple requests specifically for a $5 monthly sub
[04:05:03] <Bytram> for those who want it, it woul dbe nice to provide the *option*, but do not make it mandatory. Maybe have a checkbox that says "[ ] If checked, please automatically renew my subscription."
[04:05:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dunno either, we'll just hafta read comments
[04:05:09] <Bytram> s/dbe/be/
[04:05:09] <sedctl> <Bytram> for those who want it, it woul be nice to provide the *option*, but do not make it mandatory. Maybe have a checkbox that says "[ ] If checked, please automatically renew my subscription."
[04:05:54] <juggs> true, but there is no need to construct that as PP sub. i.e. PP take the money automagically every month rather than user elects to resubscribe every month on SN and payment is taken.
[04:06:28] <Bytram> good point.
[04:06:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, actually there is. they gotta affirmatively poke a button on paypal to say pay us every time as it stands. we couldn't set up a recurring auto-bill ourselves.
[04:08:18] * Bytram has two more stories to review
[04:08:47] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, they only have to do that once then the payment is made every month until stopped via PP. Not saying it's a bad thing, just saying it requires no monthly affirmation.
[04:10:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> you sure about that? fairly certain that's exactly why they built the sub option in.
[04:11:58] * Bytram finished reviewing stories in the story queue; last story goes live at 11:45 AM UTC.
[04:12:23] * Bytram tips hat to janrinok who put up all those stories.
[04:12:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, janrinok set up a goodly queue so he could sleep late
[04:12:29] <Bytram> janrinok++
[04:12:29] <Bender> karma - janrinok: 18
[04:13:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, past my bedtime. gonna hit the sack.
[04:13:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[04:13:20] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1099
[04:13:28] <Bytram> I've been trying to jump in and take the helm every few nights to take the load off janrinok and lamx
[04:13:33] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: have a good night!
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[04:13:43] <Bytram> won't be much longer for me, either.
[04:13:49] <Bytram> ^weather boston
[04:13:51] <geotti_away> [Boston, Massachusetts] Light Snow. Temp is 0.4*C but feels like 0*C. Humidity: 99%.
[04:13:57] <paulej72> I can add a sub option and single payment option, it would not be too hard.
[04:14:02] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[04:14:30] <Bytram> paulej72: how 'bout it default to single-payment, with a checkbox to make it recurring?
[04:14:43] <paulej72> would need to modify the ipn params to look for the subscribe flags
[04:14:44] <Bytram> !weather boston, ma
[04:15:01] <Bytram> ipn?
[04:15:09] <Bytram> !Uid
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[04:15:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> i peein
[04:15:15] <paulej72> the buttons are programmed so differtly that it would be easier to have two buttons
[04:15:30] <paulej72> instant payment notifications
[04:15:36] <arti> where does it stop if we add buttons?
[04:15:39] <arti> soon you'll want even more
[04:15:50] <arti> next we'll have a button minority and they'll have protections
[04:16:03] <paulej72> giant matrix full of buttons
[04:16:06] <arti> don't tell us not to be clicky, tell people not to click us!
[04:16:22] <arti> "just because i'm styled this way doesn't mean you can click me!"
[04:16:26] <Bytram> I understand that thinking, but being mindful of the story we ran not too long ago about the problem a web site had with the polish letter 'S', it seems to me that we need to keep the controls and their functions consistent across the site.
[04:16:55] <arti> just consider it a procedural layout
[04:16:56] <arti> :D
[04:17:01] <Bytram> arti is just jealous 'cause he's not part of the clique
[04:17:11] <Bytram> =)
[04:17:28] <Bytram> ok folks. time to saw some logs.
[04:17:36] <Bytram> have a good night everyone!!
[04:17:41] <paulej72> night
[04:18:03] <Bytram|away> paulej72: oh! how'd the dog-n-pony tour go?
[04:18:26] <paulej72> good
[04:18:33] <paulej72> no major issues
[04:18:38] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, yes I'm sure on that, I've had hosting of various sorts for years that is on a recurring basis monthly via PP. As PJ says - different button. Sets up a PP recurring payment as a subscription rather than a pay on invoice type thing.
[04:18:43] <arti> take care Bytram
[04:19:18] * Bytram|away remembers one time IBM held an open house with tours of the computer room; an absolutely huge raised floor area with lots of mainframes. while the tour guide was talking, a little kid sat down at the operators concole and pressed the 'nice red button' that immediately re-IMLd the system.
[04:19:22] <Bytram|away> AndyTheAbsurd: ciao!
[04:19:30] <Bytram|away> arti: see ya
[04:19:42] <Bytram|away> IML = Initial Microcode Load
[04:19:47] <paulej72> that is where the molly guard was born
[04:20:04] <Bytram|away> which, when done, permitted the machine to go though IPL == Initial Program Load
[04:20:06] <arti> did it make a sweet powering down sound like the death star?
[04:20:15] <Bytram|away> and, then, finally, the system would start to reboot.
[04:20:37] <Bytram|away> took the better part of 45 minutes to an hour for it to come up and get restailized after the sudden and abrupt stop.
[04:20:51] <Bytram|away> lots of devs were working overtime that weekend trying to push out a release.
[04:21:04] <Bytram|away> there was a lot of unsaved work that got lost.
[04:21:21] <Bytram|away> we lost several days' work just trying to get things back to a known state.
[04:21:28] <paulej72> that will teach them not to save
[04:21:59] <arti> brilliant idea
[04:22:06] <Bytram|away> save-early-and-often, yes... but it was still a major pain in the butt!
[04:22:13] * arti learned to save early, save often from sierra online
[04:22:25] <paulej72> the one thing MS Word taught people
[04:23:35] <arti> clippy hate?
[04:24:04] <Bytram|away> also, there were some manual tests that required considerable setup and each step fed into the next stage -- daisy chained -- to minimize setup time and maximize test coverage.things went sideways a few hours into that process
[04:24:20] <Bytram|away> and there were more than one of these tests in progress at the same time.
[04:24:27] <Bytram|away> Major Bummer, to say the least.
[04:25:22] <arti> snarky manager to developer: "will this be on the test?"
[04:25:27] <Bytram|away> my early experiences with computers have burned the concept of 'save-at-each-logical-completion-point' into my subconscious!
[04:25:58] <Bytram|away> snarky developer to tester -- will this be on the test?
[04:26:23] <paulej72> I <save> d<save>o<save> t<save>h<save>a<save>t t<save>o<save>o<save>
[04:26:27] <Bytram|away> snarky tester to develper -- depends; did you write any bugs?
[04:26:49] <arti> lol
[04:26:52] <Bytram|away> paulej72: touche!
[04:27:00] <Bytram|away> and with that, adios amigos!
[04:27:05] <arti> paulej72, hey it's how i play Bethesda games
[04:32:31] <arti> http://www.apnewsarchive.com
[04:32:31] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03As many as 2,800 inmates to be moved from Texas prison
[04:32:44] <arti> "RAYMONDVILLE, Texas (AP) — As many as 2,800 federal prisoners will be moved to other institutions after inmates seized control of part of a prison in South Texas, causing damage that made the facility "uninhabitable," an official said Saturday."
[04:33:47] <chromas> Even more uninhabitable?
[04:35:49] <arti> dominion?
[04:39:47] <chromas> K
[04:39:56] <arti> council room
[04:44:56] <chromas> Computer's jacking off
[04:45:54] <arti> lol, it needs some alone time.
[04:47:03] <juggs> https://soylentnews.org
[04:47:04] <Hedonismbot> ^ 0304SN Submission by juggs: Subscriptions - RFC
[04:47:51] <juggs> needs editing
[04:49:07] <paulej72> juggs we can have a poll that goes along with the story that has a few suggestions to pick from
[04:53:31] <juggs> paulej72, I have no idea how to do a poll. If you want to knock one up with various options for 1/6/12m price points have at it. Would be interesting to cross ref with what gets left in comments.
[04:54:30] <paulej72> needs to be done when the story goes live as polls go live right away i believe
[04:59:10] <juggs> still, would be interesting to see how the anonymous coward vote goes compared to the signed in. I'm really quite appalled at my quality of posting - it rambles. That's not good.
[05:00:25] <juggs> I'll laugh if an Ed deems my missive unworthy :D
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[05:04:31] <mrcoolbp> juggs: I like the submission
[05:06:26] <mrcoolbp> we should probably run it Monday noon-ish EST
[05:12:24] <juggs> mrcoolbp, I shall leave in the hands of yourself and our esteemed Eds when it goes out. One thing, please change the Topic from Slash to Soylent if that is possible.
[05:12:43] <mrcoolbp> sure is
[05:13:03] <mrcoolbp> I will put it out monday
[05:17:33] <juggs> If NCommander pulls off the fork to Apache2, I think we can drop the Slash everywhere. We'll have earned the right to SoylentCode. Cut the apron strings and the nod upstream don't ya think?
[05:19:44] <juggs> mrcoolbp, unlike you to be up so late :/
[05:19:46] <mrcoolbp> yeah I'm super excited
[05:20:01] <mrcoolbp> juggs: I had a long day and another tomorrow, just wanted to check in
[05:20:05] <crutchy> i have a request for the RFC submission
[05:20:12] <crutchy> it should be retitled
[05:20:18] <crutchy> to RFC8008135
[05:20:34] <crutchy> and more people will comment if we have punch and pie
[05:20:38] * mrcoolbp sighs
[05:20:48] * juggs jiggles for crutchy
[05:20:52] <chromas> Request for request for comment
[05:25:17] <chromas> qupzilla-- # bleeds all my memories away
[05:25:17] <Bender> karma - qupzilla: -1
[05:26:24] <juggs> Give me a break - it's 5am here. I state some facts and ask for comment / suggestion.
[05:27:34] <crutchy> eventually gunna need to have text ad space
[05:28:36] <crutchy> text ads in an unused space at the top of the page isn't intrusive and if you do it right adblockers won't block it (by default anyway)
[05:29:08] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: feel free to suggest a service, we haven't really looked into it yet
[05:29:25] <mrcoolbp> juggs: https://soylentnews.org
[05:29:26] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Error
[05:29:36] <mrcoolbp> yeah, you guys won't be able to see that....yet
[05:29:38] <crutchy> i wouldn't use google adsense or anything. adblockers will block that shit
[05:29:42] <mrcoolbp> yup
[05:29:57] <mrcoolbp> I gotta run off to bed
[05:29:58] <crutchy> just offer plain ol' advertising service maybe
[05:30:07] <crutchy> nite :)
[05:30:07] <ciri> everyone sheesshhh! the baby is going to sleep --> crutchy
[05:30:12] <crutchy> lol
[05:30:27] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: if you find service, shoot me an email
[05:30:36] <mrcoolbp> juggs: talk to ya later = )
[05:30:47] <juggs> aye
[05:43:25] <chromas> Oh, juggs I was just making a dumb joke
[05:43:27] <juggs> crutchy, not so much. If we double our subs base we can survive without ads I think. By that I mean cover our costs, not actually pay anyone anything. I'd rather go the subs route than the ads if possible.
[05:46:38] <crutchy> i hate ads as much as the next guy, but if we had a simple mysql table with locally hosted text only ads (so just contains a bit of vetted html that goes in a fixed size div) with no js or images, i don't reckon there would be a backlash. dunno if you could make a huge amount off it either, but its an option
[05:47:06] <crutchy> i look at the area at the top of the page as wasted space anyway
[05:47:21] <juggs> can't remember the last time I saw an ad that was not 3rd party hosted.
[05:48:02] <crutchy> yeah i wouldn't do that. js ads are shit and prolly would be a source of ccomplaints
[05:48:04] <juggs> chromas, I know. Ignore me, I get bitey when tired.
[05:48:08] <chromas> slash search sucks. maybe you could get a deal with google for google seaching
[05:48:45] <chromas> (google already has site search, though)
[05:48:59] <crutchy> even offering a text ad to soylentils might be interesting
[05:49:00] <chromas> or bing, because google's evil now
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[05:52:11] <juggs> crutchy, offering an ad space to a soylentil is a possibility I suppose. I'd much rather the subs just say "keep doing what you are doing". We'll see.
[05:52:34] <juggs> And with that, I must away to horizontal.
[05:54:55] <crutchy> yeah ads are a last resort really
[05:55:15] <crutchy> nite matey
[05:55:46] <arti> http://antiartificial.com
[05:55:46] <Hedonismbot> ^✓ 03#Soylent stats: 16.2.2015!
[05:55:51] <arti> erm
[05:56:06] <arti> http://antiartificial.com
[05:56:06] <Hedonismbot> ^✓ 03#Soylent stats: 16.2.2015!
[05:56:09] <arti> cached?
[05:57:40] <crutchy> =clear-cache http://antiartificial.com
[05:57:55] <crutchy> =rm -rf / http://antiartificial.com
[06:01:09] <paulej72> OK looks like subs in PP should work as I expect
[06:03:46] <crutchy> yay sydney seige is going to be used as an excuse to give australians more security in exchange for personal liberty
[06:04:06] <crutchy> when do we get our own gitmo?
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[06:13:55] <stale-phaart> sup fuckers
[06:15:41] <stale-phaart> ching chong chingon.
[06:16:29] <stale-phaart> jigs.
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[06:16:59] <crutchy> tama lama ding dong ting tong bong thong johnny long slong
[06:49:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - An Evidence-Based Approach to Online Dating - http://sylnt.us - I-was-using-the-wrong-colour-all-along
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[08:36:58] <crutchy> dammit. i'm watching mamu on telly. he made fondu (with cheese and wine). i really want some fondu now
[08:37:23] <crutchy> cooking shows are evil
[08:39:26] <chromas> ~define mamu
[08:39:32] <chromas> sounds like mammy
[08:39:52] <crutchy> some french dude
[08:40:04] <chromas> memaw
[08:40:28] <crutchy> oops. i mean manu
[08:40:39] <crutchy> http://en.wikipedia.org
[08:40:40] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Wiki: Manu Feildel
[08:40:49] <chromas> ah, the masculine menu
[08:41:43] <chromas> ~define gq
[08:43:24] <crutchy> oh dammit. why did i type fondue in a google image search? :(
[08:44:18] <chromas> there's also chocolate fondue. you know, for dessert
[08:44:35] <JamesNZ> "Bread and cheese my friend, bread and cheese."
[08:45:40] <crutchy> i love cheese. fondue is just a cool way to enjoy it. maybe with some boiled baby spuds
[08:45:49] <crutchy> ooh or tomatoes
[08:45:52] <crutchy> fuck
[08:46:15] * crutchy has already had a roast lamb dinner but is getting hungry again
[08:48:49] <crutchy> time to head home. catch yas in a while
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[09:51:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Gas Guzzlers on the Decline - http://sylnt.us - suck-it-up
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[11:04:04] <ar> https://firstlook.org
[11:04:04] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03The Great SIM Heist: How Spies Stole the Keys to the Encryption Castle
[11:18:28] <crutchy> anyone got any hints on html templating? i don't want to invent a new language (like smarty). just simple placeholders ideally. i've got a bunch of little template files that get pieced together, but i'm not sure if i'm doing it right
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[11:24:37] <crutchy> hmm. think i might have had a bit of an idea that might help me
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[11:53:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Counterfeiting with 3-D Printers Could Cost $100 Billion - http://sylnt.us - copy-that
[11:55:42] <NCommander> slash_apache2@lithium:~/src/slashcode$ git commit --amend -s
[11:55:43] <NCommander> [master 877c8ba] Initial mod_perl 2 port, supports main index, and comment posting, logging in is still foobared
[11:55:43] <NCommander> 27 files changed, 283 insertions(+), 299 deletions(-)
[11:55:43] <NCommander> rewrite Slash/Apache/Makefile.PL (91%)
[11:55:44] <NCommander> rewrite Slash/Apache/User/Makefile.PL (84%)
[11:55:46] <NCommander> Suprisingly small diff ...
[12:01:38] <crutchy> i'm still baffled how it could be apache version-dependent, but i'm not a perl guy :p
[12:02:52] <crutchy> oh, and g'day NCommander :)
[12:14:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:14:14] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1100
[12:14:26] <NCommander> crutchy, API break, plus Slash hooks into the bowls of Apache
[12:14:52] <crutchy> coffee++
[12:14:52] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1101
[12:15:11] <crutchy> ooh binary coffee
[12:15:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, all. you get any sleep, NC?
[12:16:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> normally i'm up by an hour ago but slept right through the alarm today
[12:16:45] <crutchy> tmb, read your trollololol :p
[12:16:51] <crutchy> funny stuff :)
[12:18:13] <crutchy> arguing with a democrat is like arguing with a rock that spits
[12:18:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'truth
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[12:18:45] <crutchy> though to be fair arguing with a republican prolly aint much better
[12:18:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, mornin. weren't you gonna sleep in today?
[12:19:15] <janrinok> hi all - I have! Its afternoon here!
[12:19:16] <ciri> hey whats up janrinok
[12:19:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> devtest is lookin good, NC
[12:19:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, well that's fine then
[12:19:56] <janrinok> Has NCommander pulled it off then?
[12:19:58] <crutchy> ~time janrinok
[12:20:05] <crutchy> derp
[12:20:08] <janrinok> hi crutchy
[12:20:13] <crutchy> g'day
[12:20:14] <ciri> hello, nice to see yea! crutchy
[12:20:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://devtest.soylentnews.org
[12:20:19] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03404 File Not Found
[12:20:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> er...
[12:20:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://devtest.soylentnews.org
[12:20:29] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Slash Site: Slash Site
[12:20:32] <crutchy> hi ciri. you fluffy green blob
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[12:20:42] <janrinok> that'll be a 'not quite' then
[12:21:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, still work to go but it's lookin good
[12:21:16] <crutchy> i think it killed him
[12:21:49] <janrinok> it no longer accepts my password!
[12:22:17] <crutchy> either that or he's fighting for his life right now and needed all the powahs he could muster so had to cut off irc to ensure he could call up all his wizardry spells
[12:22:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, thas on purpose. we were gonna tell ya a nicer way but...
[12:23:20] <janrinok> lol
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[12:26:53] <crutchy> cascading_templates++
[12:26:53] <Bender> karma - cascading_templates: 1
[12:27:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're a crazy man
[12:32:55] <crutchy> works awesome :D
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[13:04:10] <NCommander> yay, mostly workign slash on apache 2 \o/
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[13:23:32] * TheMightyBuzzard yays too
[13:29:29] * NCommander has an article in the hopper
[13:29:31] <NCommander> ho ho ho
[13:37:33] <Bytram> NCommander: merry (belated) christmas!
[13:37:44] <Bytram> already reviewed! =)
[13:38:18] <Bytram> !uid
[13:38:18] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5095, owned by darent
[13:38:41] <Bytram> hmmm, nice and steady progress
[13:38:49] <Bytram> !weather boston, ma
[13:38:55] <Bytram> ~weather boston, ma
[13:39:03] <Bytram> ^weather boston, ma
[13:39:04] <geotti_away> [Boston, Massachusetts] Light Snow. Temp is 0.7*C but feels like 1*C. WNW wind: 3.5 kph. Humidity: 94%.
[13:39:07] <Bytram> ;weather boston, ma
[13:39:21] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:39:21] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1102
[13:39:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> you broke the binary coffee!
[13:39:58] <Bytram> no problemo!
[13:40:01] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:40:01] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1103
[13:40:01] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:40:01] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1104
[13:40:02] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:40:02] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1105
[13:40:02] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:40:02] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1106
[13:40:03] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:40:03] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1107
[13:40:05] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:40:05] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1108
[13:40:07] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:40:07] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1109
[13:40:09] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:40:10] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1110
[13:40:12] <Bytram> =)
[13:40:15] <crutchy> yay!
[13:40:23] <crutchy> https://github.com
[13:40:24] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03exec-irc-bot/utils.inc at master · crutchy-/exec-irc-bot · GitHub
[13:40:39] <crutchy> ^ my fucked up attempt at html templating engine :p
[13:40:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'better
[13:42:32] <Bytram> janrinok: instead of 'fill your boots' how about 'knock yourself out'
[13:43:25] <janrinok> A good yep, that would do too
[13:43:29] <Bytram> also what in the world does 'treats for bungs' mean?
[13:43:46] <Bytram> context:
[13:43:47] <Bytram> To be clear, SN will never paywall people from content &mdash; you're basically getting a little happy star by your name (optional) if you subscribe; we're not offering treats for bungs or any other influence over what we publish.
[13:44:22] <janrinok> ah, I think it refers to bribes - e.g. offering some 'goodies' in exchange for favours.
[13:44:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> i say leave the colloquialisms in. they add character.
[13:45:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus if people look them up to find out wtf they mean, they'll learn something
[13:45:12] <Bytram> they add confusion! I'm a bit of a wordsmith and love playing around with words and all -- and BOTH of those had me absolutely *baffled* as to what they meant!
[13:45:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> confusion is good. makes people stop n think before they reply.
[13:46:10] <janrinok> Bytram: thanks for adding a few stories, I've been enjoying myself on devtest for the last few hours!
[13:46:12] <crutchy> readers can just make up what they mean, and the trolls will sort em out :p
[13:52:53] <Bytram> new poll is up on the main site
[13:54:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - What do [Old] Techies do After They Retire? - http://sylnt.us - stayin-alive-stayin-alive-♩♪♫♩♪♫
[13:55:15] <Bytram> aha! the notes *DID* make it through! =)
[13:58:28] <crutchy> ~link turt
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[13:58:57] <crutchy> ~link turt
[13:58:58] <exec> └─ asdf/turtle => https://www.youtube.com
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[14:00:53] <Bytram|afk> back in a while
[14:22:57] <Bytram|afk> janrinok: hth!
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[15:56:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Meyer on Feature-Based Agile Development: - http://sylnt.us - a-language-is-not-just-a-bunch-of-words
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[16:22:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://hotair.com
[16:22:14] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03?Caveman? blogger wins right to blog advice about food and fitness without a state license « Hot Air
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[18:58:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 20 years After His Death, Man Gets Florida Turnpike Ticket - http://sylnt.us - that's-no-excuse
[20:21:06] <chromas> from the why-was-his-car-still-registered-under-his-name? dept
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[20:51:43] <paulej72> probably
[21:02:24] <crutchy> from the son-thought-he-might-avoid-problems-by-leaving-the-car-in-his-dads-name-but-is-now-drawing-more-attention-to-himself dept.
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[21:03:39] <crutchy> or the governments-left-hand-doesn't-know-what-the-right-hand-is-doing-but-whats-new dept.
[21:04:28] <crutchy> or the department-of-super-long-department-names dept.
[21:05:37] <crutchy> you been getting ya code on paulej72?
[21:05:59] <crutchy> fixing up subs
[21:06:27] <paulej72> yeeh, I wrote a buch then deployed a bunch of time to trakc down the bugs and extinauish them
[21:07:08] <crutchy> nice
[21:07:32] <paulej72> could not get the swich statement to work in perl
[21:07:37] <crutchy> at least your commit messages are descriptive, unlike mine :p
[21:07:42] <crutchy> ah
[21:08:25] <paulej72> I try to be, it gets annoying when looking bak throgh and you can’t find out where you changed something
[21:08:56] <crutchy> github's blame tool can be handy, but maybe not in every case
[21:09:19] <paulej72> have not learned that one yet
[21:10:19] <crutchy> https://github.com
[21:10:20] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03slashcode/plugins/Subscribe/subscribe.pl at Monthy_Subs · paulej72/slashcode · GitHub
[21:11:57] <crutchy> i prolly don't use as much as i should. i normally fall into the trap of rewriting bits from memory :p
[21:13:25] <paulej72> how do you get to that view
[21:14:32] <paulej72> ok I see
[21:16:24] <crutchy> best be off to workipoos. see ya
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[21:49:20] <arti> vintage: http://hardware.slashdot.org
[21:49:21] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Nvidia Geforce 4 (NV25) Information - Slashdot ( http://slashdot.org )
[22:00:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Epigenome Map Unveiled - http://sylnt.us - no-compass-required
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[23:06:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's quiet... too quiet...
[23:07:27] <chromas> [suddenly, Ethanol-fueled and APK burst through the channel doors]
[23:08:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> i was thinking crutchy but that works too
[23:16:06] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: i am here
[23:16:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but you don't blabber on like EF or crutchy. we need moar to keep up a lively conversation.
[23:16:54] <paulej72> just fully woke up from a nap
[23:17:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> noble pursuit that.
[23:17:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> specially on a sunday
[23:17:55] <paulej72> I tested PP on dev and it worked for PDT, but I am not sure about IPN
[23:17:59] * SirFinkus is here too
[23:18:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno if we have ipn up on dev even
[23:18:37] <paulej72> IPN is slow on sandbox so I may hav not gotten the data bfore pdt went through
[23:18:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> likely didn't
[23:19:01] <paulej72> yes ipn is working on dev.
[23:19:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> smooth
[23:19:27] <paulej72> I am going to look at doing a subscribe type button for pp
[23:19:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> sounds good.
[23:20:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm gonna play video games till dinner
[23:20:35] <paulej72> the json encode for logs and other stuff works fine. I even cleaned it up a bunch for bp too
[23:21:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> excellent
[23:22:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> there any really identifiable data in the json bit of the pp log that needs either scrubbed or disclosed in a privacy statement?
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