#Soylent | Logs for 2015-02-14

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[23:47:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> hell, i think i could use some as well
[23:45:56] <crutchy> need moar coffee methinks
[23:45:44] <crutchy> yeah i think i remember that now
[23:45:07] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 143
[23:45:07] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard++
[23:45:03] <crutchy> ah
[23:44:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> ye gads no, i made handy dandy links beside the score of any spam modded comment
[23:44:28] <crutchy> gotta issue manual sql queries to undo, yeah?
[23:43:54] <crutchy> gotta be someone comfortable with the db though i guess
[23:42:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> cept maybe the wiki crew
[23:42:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyone on staff anyway
[23:41:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyone can but i been the one checking the db for new ones
[23:41:14] <crutchy> is there a backup spam-antimodder when you're playing house?
[23:40:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> really have no idea. exhausted and brain no work.
[23:40:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> wasn't the tor thing i don't think
[23:39:47] <Bender> karma - left_joins: 1
[23:39:47] <crutchy> left_joins++
[23:39:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm...
[23:34:20] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Test story title - news.my.to
[23:34:20] <crutchy> up to working out how to layout the comments. http://news.my.to
[23:25:50] <SirFinkus> god, garlic is the best thing in the world
[23:15:03] <nick> anvil of spew? o_O
[23:14:44] <paulej72> I remember a question you asked and I said I would look into this weekend
[23:14:40] * exec allegedly pours an anvil of spew for nick
[23:14:39] <crutchy> ~gday nick
[23:14:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, nothing that i remember, sorry was having a nap.
[23:13:07] <nick> 'a really dull apple/ios has a problem/is awesome' on a general news site will get far more views than 'android on some lg phones is awesome/shitty'
[23:12:02] <nick> to the point that it's not unusual for non-tech general consumers to use iphone when they mean smartphone. although that is better than it was, but it still shaped the discussion when you're trying to get as many page views as possible
[23:10:43] <nick> but there are several reasons why apple gets far more general coverage, partly to do with their 'walled garden' making things much more easy to quantify and the apple/ios/iphone marketing has worked so well
[23:08:06] <nick> "Media has historically been fans of Apple long before they became 'mainstream'. They used Macs for word processing, they use Macs for audio processing, and they used Macs for video editing. They are the original Apple fanboys and were made fun of for it for years. They now get their revenge by giving Apple hundreds of millions of dollars (at a *bare* minimum) of free advertising."
[23:07:50] <nick> i think one of the comments on the story is right
[23:06:28] <crutchy> what mainstream media has distaste for android?
[23:05:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Why the Schadenfreude? Mainstream Media's Breathless Distaste for Android - http://sylnt.us - hipsters
[23:03:37] <Hedonismbot> Karma - coffee: 265
[23:03:37] <crutchy> ++coffee
[23:03:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1069
[23:03:36] <crutchy> coffee++
[22:33:06] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: what was it that you wanted me to look into?
[22:31:58] <exec> 03Princeton, NJ, USA - currently 29°F / -2°C, haze, wind SW at 2 mph, humidity 89% - Saturday snow (10°F-39°F / -12°C-4°C), Sunday chance of snow showers (3°F-23°F / -16°C--5°C), Monday clear (9°F-23°F / -13°C--5°C), Tuesday chance of snow (19°F-32°F / -7°C-0°C)
[22:31:56] <paulej72> ~weather
[22:13:07] <SirFinkus> http://i.imgur.com I still get super excited when I see this
[21:59:08] <exec> 03Phoenix, AZ - currently 82°F / 28°C, mostly cloudy, wind E at 7 mph, humidity 19% - Saturday partly cloudy (57°F-84°F / 14°C-29°C), Sunday partly cloudy (57°F-81°F / 14°C-27°C), Monday partly cloudy (54°F-79°F / 12°C-26°C), Tuesday clear (50°F-77°F / 10°C-25°C)
[21:59:06] <Subsentient> ~weather
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[21:25:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> february, and almost 80f, gotta love some of that global warmin
[21:25:13] <SirFinkus> wow, impressive
[21:24:35] <exec> 03Stratford, OK, USA - currently 76°F, clear, wind W at 12 mph, humidity 26% - Saturday clear (32°F-74°F), Sunday ice pellets (25°F-45°F), Monday chance of ice (27°F-43°F), Tuesday partly cloudy (28°F-52°F)
[21:24:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather
[21:24:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, it's pretty toasty here today too
[21:23:10] <SirFinkus> got up to 17 yesterday
[21:23:00] <SirFinkus> been unseasonably warm here
[21:21:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> also the fishing's not sposed to be that great tomorrow
[21:20:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly not. wicked tired today and tomorrow's sposed to be balls freezin cold
[21:20:18] <SirFinkus> you going out this weekend?
[21:19:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, means i got lotsa stuff and still have a couple hundred left for when i lose a lure or such.
[21:18:37] <SirFinkus> that sounds like a good thing
[21:18:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> ugh, ran out of desire to buy fishing stuff before i ran out of money.
[21:04:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US Government Questionnaire: Is Your Child a Terrorist? - http://sylnt.us - have-we-come-to-this?
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[19:04:30] <chromas> https://gcc.godbolt.org
[19:02:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Joyent Announces the Node.js Foundation - http://sylnt.us
[18:39:40] <paulej72> not bad doing site admin things today
[18:31:24] <janrinok> how's things?
[18:31:01] <paulej72> hellow
[18:30:53] <ciri> hello, nice to see yea! janrinok
[18:30:53] <janrinok> hi paulej72
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[18:27:02] <paulej72> quite this morning
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[17:01:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Black Hole Visuals for the Movie Interstellar - http://sylnt.us - most-accurate-to-date
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[15:30:43] <girlpluggedout> 'Sokay.
[15:30:29] <janrinok> Sry to hear of the your problem though
[15:29:59] <janrinok> Ah, I'm just a crap typist....
[15:29:33] <girlpluggedout> My typing is a bit off because my right hand fingers are -- quite inexplicably and frankly somewhat worrying -- very stiff and stuck in a bent position and hurting like a mother. Yay!
[15:28:02] <janrinok> exactly - I don't like tryping either :o
[15:27:10] <girlpluggedout> If god wanted me to trype umlauts, esszets, and such while on IRC, he should have made it more convient to switch between keyboard layouts I hardly ever use.
[15:24:55] <janrinok> Oui, c'est ca
[15:24:38] <girlpluggedout> Ah, I did not know that. Just to make sure, you're a Brit living in France, ne pas?
[15:24:26] <janrinok> I should have used an umlaut there but couldn't be bothered :)
[15:23:48] <janrinok> Ja naturlicht, I lived in Germany on two previous occasions for about 4 years in total.
[15:22:57] <girlpluggedout> Sprechen Sie ein bisschen Deutsch?
[15:22:37] <janrinok> I'm better but I have to manage my time better now - thanks for asking.
[15:22:10] <girlpluggedout> :)
[15:22:02] <janrinok> True - I like that quotation, and I understood it in both languages so that was a bonus! ;)
[15:21:46] <girlpluggedout> I hope you've recovered and are back in good health, janrinok.
[15:17:51] <girlpluggedout> Llife has this tendency to catch up with you no matter how optimistic you may be. As they say in Yiddish, der mentsh tracht un Got lacht. Man plans and God laughs.
[15:16:06] <janrinok> girlpluggedout: There are a few of the same editors around and the rest of the team comprises of many old faces and some new ones. I over-did things a few months back and then had to take a breather for medical reasons, but I'm back now as you can see.
[15:10:38] <janrinok> Much the same at this end. A bit older, no wiser, but still enjoying life so no complaints here.
[15:10:01] <janrinok> it has indeed - I've noticed you were back commenting on stories. I hope that you are well.
[15:09:57] <girlpluggedout> And with you guys?
[15:09:30] <girlpluggedout> It's been a hell of a long time.
[15:09:22] <girlpluggedout> But good :)
[15:09:17] <girlpluggedout> Things are... different.
[15:08:55] <janrinok> How's things with you?
[15:08:42] <ciri> hello, whats up janrinok
[15:08:41] <janrinok> hi girlpluggedout
[15:08:34] <girlpluggedout> 'ello 'ello 'ello.
[14:59:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Five Years of the Solar Dynamics Observatory - http://sylnt.us
[14:56:02] <janrinok> hi guys
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[12:58:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Smoking Even Deadlier than Previously Thought - http://sylnt.us - it's-never-good-news || Snowden Files' New Entries: INTOLERANT and LOVELY HORSE; Western Spies Secretly Rely on Hackers - http://sylnt.us - Learning-from-Others
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[12:34:15] <Bender> karma - tea: 401
[12:34:15] <ar> coffee--
[12:33:34] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1068
[12:33:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:16:47] <crutchy> "fury" is a movie about brad pitt, with some kind of ww2 back story
[12:16:24] <Hedonismbot> Karma - coffee: 264
[12:16:23] <crutchy> ++coffee
[12:16:23] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1067
[12:16:23] <crutchy> coffee++
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[10:31:22] <chromas> From the both-of-these-submitters-are-the-ones-most-bitched-about dept
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[10:26:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US Cell Companies must Unlock Phones upon Owner's Request - http://sylnt.us - freeeeedom!
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[09:54:54] <crutchy> yay got my query to work :D
[09:52:20] <crutchy> back laters
[09:52:13] <chromas> See ya
[09:52:07] <crutchy> the whole valentine's day thing
[09:52:05] <chromas> "But that's what rich people eat, the garbage parts of the food"
[09:51:52] <crutchy> i gotta go watch a movie with the wifey
[09:51:11] <crutchy> with fresh fish poop
[09:50:58] <crutchy> mmmm. i must be a hipster then cos i lurve sea salt :D
[09:50:11] <chromas> Mmm. Sea salt. Hipsterish
[09:49:49] <crutchy> ultra fresh
[09:49:37] <crutchy> what's for lunch... seafood
[09:49:17] <Gravis> "Siri where are you taking me?" "To lunch." "Stop using Apple Maps, you are about to drive off a bridge!"
[09:49:05] <chromas> iCruise 5Gs
[09:49:03] <crutchy> derp
[09:48:54] <sedctl> <crutchy> s/c/c/2/
[09:48:54] <crutchy> s/s/c/2
[09:48:51] <crutchy> s/s/c/2/
[09:48:49] <chromas> iCruise
[09:48:29] <crutchy> the 'ask siri' button
[09:48:16] <chromas> If we have to. One too many
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[09:48:05] <crutchy> in the whole car :p
[09:47:59] <crutchy> and only one button
[09:47:45] <chromas> Touchpad steering
[09:47:37] <crutchy> musk is an engineer so not your everyday dumbshit ceo
[09:47:13] <sedctl> <crutchy> for charging
[09:47:13] <crutchy> s/$/g/
[09:47:07] <Gravis> crutchy: well if they buy the majority of the shares, they could take control via hostile takeover.
[09:47:05] <crutchy> for chargin
[09:46:57] <crutchy> not to mention only allowed to use apple certified electricity
[09:46:37] <crutchy> haha
[09:46:30] <girlpluggedout> Yeah, I wouldn't buy an elecrtric car from Apple. You know, non-user replaceable car batteries, etc.
[09:45:57] <crutchy> i doubt musk would stoop that low
[09:45:36] <girlpluggedout> Oh, I forgot that IPs are masked here.
[09:45:28] <Gravis> if*
[09:45:12] <Gravis> oh it would just be the worst of Apple bought Tesla
[09:45:10] <crutchy> don't ask me how to use it. i just programmed it :p
[09:44:57] <girlpluggedout> I was hoping it knew how to geo-locate my IP.
[09:44:42] <exec> syntax: ~weather-add name location (name cannot contain spaces but location can contain spaces)
[09:44:41] <crutchy> ~weather-add
[09:44:38] <crutchy> or not
[09:44:32] <crutchy> ~location-add
[09:44:16] <crutchy> need ~location-add
[09:44:06] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[09:44:06] <girlpluggedout> ~weather
[09:43:58] <exec> 03Melbourne VIC - currently 21°C, mostly cloudy, wind SE at 3 km/h, humidity 88% - Saturday clear (17°C-30°C), Sunday clear (19°C-36°C), Monday partly cloudy (17°C-24°C), Tuesday partly cloudy (16°C-22°C)
[09:43:57] <crutchy> ~weather
[09:43:16] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Report: Apple has “several hundred” staffers building an electric car | Ars Technica
[09:43:15] <girlpluggedout> from the you're-driving-it-wrong dept. http://arstechnica.com
[09:43:09] <crutchy> meh. not much better but at least the manual has been updated
[09:42:47] <exec> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[09:42:47] <exec> Related commands:
[09:42:47] <exec> ~time location
[09:42:47] <exec> Syntax:
[09:42:42] <crutchy> ~help ~time
[09:40:43] <exec> *** location "butte" not found
[09:40:42] <girlpluggedout> ~location butte
[09:39:24] <Gravis> though perhaps someone should WTFM. ;)
[09:38:51] <Gravis> ;)
[09:38:49] <Gravis> crutchy: sure it is. exec just told you to RTFM. :0
[09:38:28] <crutchy> pfft. thas not very helpful :/
[09:38:07] <exec> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[09:38:07] <exec> ~time location
[09:38:03] <crutchy> ~help ~time
[09:37:40] <crutchy> lol
[09:37:40] <exec> *** location "batcave" not found
[09:37:39] <Gravis> ~location batcave
[09:37:36] <girlpluggedout> :(
[09:37:30] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Saturday, 14 February 2015, 9:37 am
[09:37:29] <girlpluggedout> ~time Batman
[09:37:23] <girlpluggedout> Heh
[09:37:21] <exec> Saturday, 14 February 2015 @ 11:37 am GMT+2 - Batman, Turkey
[09:37:19] <girlpluggedout> ~time Batman, Turkey
[09:37:07] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Saturday, 14 February 2015, 9:37 am
[09:37:06] <Gravis> ~time Olympus
[09:36:33] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Saturday, 14 February 2015, 9:36 am
[09:36:31] <girlpluggedout> ~time intercourse, pa
[09:35:50] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Saturday, 14 February 2015, 9:35 am
[09:35:49] <girlpluggedout> ~time intercourse
[09:35:19] <exec> Saturday, 14 February 2015 @ 2:35 am MST - Butte, Mt, USA
[09:35:17] <girlpluggedout> ~time butte
[09:35:13] <exec> Saturday, 14 February 2015 @ 4:35 am EST - Washington, DC, USA
[09:35:12] <crutchy> ~time hell
[09:35:01] <crutchy> :p
[09:34:58] <crutchy> google's fault
[09:34:49] <Gravis> aww
[09:34:43] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Saturday, 14 February 2015, 9:34 am
[09:34:41] <Gravis> ~time transylvania
[09:34:19] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Saturday, 14 February 2015, 9:34 am
[09:34:18] <girlpluggedout> ~time latveria
[09:34:16] <exec> Saturday, 14 February 2015 @ 6:34 am GMT-3 - Nuuk, Greenland
[09:34:15] <Gravis> ~time greenland
[09:33:57] <exec> Saturday, 14 February 2015 @ 10:33 am GMT+1 - Poland
[09:33:55] <crutchy> ~time poland
[09:33:32] <crutchy> ooh don't say that when ar is around :p
[09:33:12] * crutchy hugs his php friend
[09:33:04] <Gravis> could be worse though... could be ruby.
[09:32:28] <Gravis> crutchy: friends dont let friends use PHP!
[09:31:18] * crutchy trundles off to ssh land
[09:31:11] <crutchy> dammit. my sql works in workbench but not in my php :/
[09:30:45] <Gravis> is that what we're calling the NSA now?
[09:30:14] <girlpluggedout> I don't see any leaks in Mushroom Kingdom.
[09:30:03] * crutchy throws an exploding mushroom at peach
[09:29:46] <Gravis> mario is the worst plumber
[09:29:27] <girlpluggedout> No, it'a me, Mario!
[09:29:03] <Gravis> girlpluggedout: Brian, we know it'a you.
[09:28:45] <ciri> lol that's funny!
[09:28:45] <Gravis> LOL
[09:28:34] <girlpluggedout> It was undoubtedly the scariest day of my junior high career. The chopper I was flying in went down just as I was calculating the probablity for such an event to occur.
[09:28:21] <crutchy> ooh that's a fancy nick
[09:28:12] <exec> The current maximum UID is 5062, owned by Beryllium Sphere (r)
[09:28:09] <crutchy> ~uid
[09:27:08] <Gravis> girlpluggedout: are you sure you arent Brian Williams? ;)
[09:27:08] <crutchy> i'm laughing at pants
[09:26:58] <ciri> i missed it, what are you laughing at? >.>
[09:26:57] <crutchy> lol yeah prolly. we could use one of those thingys
[09:26:14] <Gravis> <crutchy> could develop an automated solution. pass the title through a capitulator function which capitalizes things appropriately, based on a massive database of things <-- they already invented this, it's called a dictionary. ;)
[09:25:56] <girlpluggedout> Hmmm. I think I'm misremembering how to calculate probability.
[09:21:03] <crutchy> prolly needs some more options in there
[09:14:17] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03exec-irc-bot/gday.php at master · crutchy-/exec-irc-bot · GitHub
[09:14:16] <crutchy> https://github.com
[09:14:15] <crutchy> dunno. here you can calculate the probability yourself :D
[09:06:53] <girlpluggedout> So how many rolls of the dice do I have left before finally being served the anvil of boogers?
[09:04:34] * exec diabolically slides a cold can of glowballs to girlpluggedout
[09:04:33] <crutchy> ~g'day girlpluggedout
[09:03:56] <crutchy> ah. mystery solvered
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[08:49:37] <chromas> Is there a cheek operator?
[08:48:25] <arti> suggests using booty math
[08:47:48] * chromas blames Microsoft
[08:41:49] <crutchy> Soylent's dev department is in a bit of a drought
[08:24:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US Droughts - You Think it's Bad Now? - http://sylnt.us - umbrella-price-crash-ahead
[08:22:42] <crutchy> could develop an automated solution. pass the title through a capitulator function which capitalizes things appropriately, based on a massive database of things
[08:20:46] <Gravis> so it should be used as an editing tool, not a solution.
[08:20:21] <Gravis> this does however mean that you need to have a list of proper nouns which have the possibility of conflicting with normal text or even other proper nouns
[08:17:02] <Gravis> this fixes both the problem with acronyms and names like iPhone
[08:16:44] * exec insatiably offers a buzz saw of spew to Gravis
[08:16:43] <crutchy> ~g'day Gravis
[08:16:13] <Gravis> use Title Case and then go back through and search for proper nouns that are exceptions.
[08:16:12] <Gravis> Re: A Capital Idea
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[07:43:43] <crutchy> proper fucked
[07:43:18] <SirFinkus> we're all fucked
[07:43:10] <SirFinkus> we're fucked anyway
[07:26:45] <crutchy> if jeb bush wins the gop nomination, america is so fucked
[07:14:35] <sedctl> <crutchy> juggs, you guys chasing 342. reckon you're up to it? :p
[07:14:35] <crutchy> s/337/342/
[07:12:33] <crutchy> juggs, you guys chasing 337. reckon you're up to it? :p
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[05:26:12] <crutchy> mcdonalds will have it overturned
[05:22:25] <SpallsHurgenson> <sigh> Moms!
[05:22:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Puerto Rico Considers Fining Parents of Obese Children up to $800 - http://sylnt.us - it-will-make-their-wallet-lighter
[05:22:16] <SpallsHurgenson> no, mom just said I was too young to have self-propelled kill-bots
[05:21:12] <crutchy> sometimes these things don't come standard
[05:20:48] <crutchy> maybe you had to pay extra?
[05:20:40] <crutchy> bugger
[05:20:30] <SpallsHurgenson> except they wouldn't let me mount machine guns on mine :(
[05:20:16] <crutchy> seems a bit silly to make things that would require hammering in space
[05:20:09] <SpallsHurgenson> they have; I used to have a toy RC "car" as a kid that worked under the same principles :)
[05:19:20] <crutchy> i wonder if these ball things have actually been tested on a real beach
[05:19:20] <SpallsHurgenson> have you ever tried to hammer something in space? it's not as easy as it looks. that whole "no gravity" thing is a real pain
[05:18:40] <crutchy> they might not have done that, but they no doubt did the $400 hammer etc
[05:18:22] <crutchy> yeah but its so nasa
[05:18:02] <SpallsHurgenson> you are aware that upside-down-space-pen is just an urban myth, right?
[05:17:58] <crutchy> putting some sandbags along the beach i guess
[05:17:30] <crutchy> so if the robo death balls are like a pen that writes upside down, i wonder what russia's similarity to the pencil would be in this case
[05:15:43] <SirFinkus> jokes on them, I'm not having kids
[05:15:38] <SpallsHurgenson> if you didn't want the US to have kill-bubbles you should have unchecked that option :)
[05:15:17] <crutchy> SirFinkus, your tax dollars are prolly barely enough to pay for the irs. pentagob would be spending borrowed money against your children's taxes
[05:14:12] <SpallsHurgenson> it's a line item on your 1040 and has been for years: contribute $5 to mega-death-robo-globes?
[05:12:35] <SirFinkus> my fucking tax dollars paying for this bullshit
[05:11:36] <SpallsHurgenson> no, it has always been a pivotal part of US military strategy to have automated spheres of doom in its arsenal. It's only been recently that we've had the necessary technology, however
[05:10:17] <crutchy> i think the guys that make this stuff watch too many old war movies
[05:09:49] <crutchy> lol
[05:09:45] <SpallsHurgenson> do not deny me my orbs of death!
[05:09:24] <crutchy> storming beaches? really?!
[05:08:48] <crutchy> i don't think any of that sort of shit will ever actually be used in a real war
[05:06:58] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03The Marines Are Building Robotic War Balls - Defense One
[05:06:57] <SpallsHurgenson> http://www.defenseone.com
[05:06:55] <SpallsHurgenson> release the war-balls!
[04:50:29] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Researchers Bypass All Windows Protections by Modifying a Single Bit | SecurityWeek.Com
[04:50:28] <SpallsHurgenson> http://www.securityweek.com possibly like Microsoft developers after reading this?
[04:47:49] <crutchy> what must it have been like working in there? how must they have felt when they knew the ship was going down
[04:47:20] <crutchy> i've always been fascinated by the design of the titanic, and the story of the firemen in the stokeholds
[04:12:42] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03RMS Titanic: Fascinating Engineering Facts - YouTube
[04:12:41] <SpallsHurgenson> https://www.youtube.com
[04:12:04] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Your brain on BEER vs. COFFEE - I Love Coffee
[04:12:03] <crutchy> http://en.ilovecoffee.jp
[03:32:47] <SpallsHurgenson> we're all bad, bad men
[03:30:37] <SpallsHurgenson> well, if we weren't all such misogynists there wouldn't need to be such a thing. :)
[03:29:02] <chromas> femducation
[03:22:41] * JamesNZ hides
[03:22:36] <JamesNZ> SpallsHurgenson: Worse, you're going to get sent to a feminist conference for this :P
[03:20:14] <crutchy> :D
[03:18:18] <SpallsHurgenson> !send_to_crutchy's_wife quote 381
[03:17:52] <Bender> Added quote 381
[03:17:52] <SpallsHurgenson> !grab crutchy
[03:17:39] <crutchy> oh i signed up for hell years ago. even got my marriage certificate to prove it :p
[03:17:07] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, we are all so going to hell for this
[03:17:00] <crutchy> a woman is like a beer
[03:16:43] <chromas> women do have some langauges though, like cobol. You can tell because it's verbose and talks a lot to say very little
[03:16:43] <crutchy> *to
[03:16:33] <crutchy> women are full of strange and alien geometries, incomprehensible in the minds of men
[03:16:16] <chromas> it's okay, all the one woman left here
[03:16:05] * SpallsHurgenson removes foot from mouth
[03:15:26] <SpallsHurgenson> A woman? What would women understand about computers? They are not suited to the comprehension about anything technological!
[03:15:20] <crutchy> i need more than that if i want any head
[03:15:05] <chromas> do we still need xorg.conf for multi-head?
[03:14:55] * SpallsHurgenson inserts foot in mouth before proceeding
[03:14:48] <SpallsHurgenson> one second...
[03:14:35] <crutchy> maybe my wife would better understand it
[03:14:16] <SpallsHurgenson> xorg.conf is a place of strange and alien geometries, incomprehensible to the minds of men
[03:13:38] <crutchy> nowadays i'd prolly just set up another box and use synergy
[03:13:07] <crutchy> i've had enough trouble trying to get 4 screens working
[03:12:50] <crutchy> i agree
[03:12:09] <SpallsHurgenson> don't do it; better men than you have tried and gone mad! It's impossible, I tell you, impossible!
[03:08:46] <crutchy> assuming i could wrangle xorg.conf
[03:08:14] <crutchy> i got 7 screens i could plumb up if i got 5 adaptors
[03:07:07] * crutchy needs some of those usb to vga/dvi thingys
[03:07:03] <SpallsHurgenson> then buy more graphic cards :)
[03:06:55] -!- BadCoderFinger has quit [Quit: EBLACKADDER]
[03:06:47] <crutchy> hehe. i have plenty of monitors. just nothing to plug them into
[03:06:24] <SpallsHurgenson> bah, virtual desktops suck. just buy more monitors instead :)
[03:06:18] <chromas> now if they'd let me switch one screen without switching the other…
[03:06:15] <crutchy> declutters the task bar
[03:06:01] <chromas> pretty sweet eh
[03:05:44] <chromas> Looks like it
[03:05:19] <crutchy> or is that the same thing?
[03:05:00] <crutchy> nah just the workspace switcher
[03:04:03] <chromas> are you using virtual desktops in xfce?
[03:02:55] <Bender> karma - workspaces: 1
[03:02:55] <crutchy> workspaces++
[02:55:52] <crutchy> not that i like json that much either
[02:55:31] <crutchy> i'd rather use json than yaml
[02:50:04] <chromas> Too bad they skipped version 4. I, for one, was looking forward to browsing Winamp 4 skins
[02:49:20] <chromas> oh yeah; winamp's done now :\
[02:47:35] <crutchy> gotta minimize my vm to change songs
[02:47:24] <crutchy> i still use an old version of winamp in windows :p
[02:46:44] <chromas> kmix in my case
[02:46:07] <crutchy> aw
[02:45:49] <chromas> Oh, I just meant the software mixer, on the desktop
[02:45:13] <ciri> hahaha
[02:45:13] <crutchy> lol
[02:45:06] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3basshole: A jackass that drives through residential areas at three in the morning with the subwoofers on his car stereo at maximum volume. See also inbreeding.
[02:45:03] <crutchy> ~define basshole
[02:44:44] <crutchy> i have a barmix, but it doesn't even have any wireless connection to my pyewta. mixes up smoothies awesome though
[02:43:59] <chromas> sound mixer
[02:43:54] <crutchy> mixer?
[02:43:20] <chromas> oh shit, that means you'll be back to slap us around in the basshole
[02:42:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> right, think ima have a beer, watch some trek, n crash. gotta be bright eyed n bushy tailed for bass pro tomorrow.
[02:42:46] <chromas> dbus is kickass. It lets me pause my music player from the mixer, something I just recently discovered but still don't need
[02:42:02] <crutchy> all teh cool shit depends on dbus :(
[02:41:49] <chromas> It's in the AUR but some of the services are renamed for systemd for some reason, like /lib/systemd/systemd-udev instead of /bin/udevd
[02:41:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, i need pulseaudio so i'm pretty well stuck.
[02:41:24] <crutchy> like my debian experiment
[02:40:59] <crutchy> you prolly still just need dbus and logind
[02:40:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> better you than me
[02:40:52] <chromas> Subsentient's init system
[02:40:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> ?!
[02:40:27] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: I've been working on putting epoch in place of system in an arch install
[02:39:53] <crutchy> they're carrot
[02:39:45] <chromas> those aren't nuts
[02:39:25] <chromas> peanut butter and chunky peanut butter
[02:39:16] * crutchy senses an impending hammer of doom
[02:38:50] <crutchy> :D
[02:38:48] <crutchy> if Subsentient were in charge we'd all be eating peanut butter and rat shit
[02:38:43] <chromas> feels good
[02:38:38] * TheMightyBuzzard hurls a can of beer coors at chromas
[02:38:37] <chromas> I am inside you now
[02:38:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> bah
[02:38:13] <Bender> karma - epoch: 10
[02:38:13] <chromas> epoch++ for president
[02:38:08] * ciri pours some chromas from the tap and slides it to TheMightyBuzzard
[02:38:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> !beer chromas
[02:38:05] <chromas> epoch uses ini-style config
[02:38:01] * crutchy plants some lawn seed
[02:37:41] * chromas raises fish and burrito shield
[02:37:36] <crutchy> ima stick with mah php and conf
[02:37:16] <chromas> it's okay for python 'cause you indent anyhow
[02:37:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> right, now i need liquor
[02:36:58] * crutchy shudders
[02:36:50] <chromas> ooh, it's like xml for python
[02:36:49] <paulej72> whitespace is your friend
[02:36:18] <crutchy> ew yaml is based on indentation. fuck that's even worse than markup
[02:35:09] <chromas> you love it
[02:34:50] * TheMightyBuzzard rages against the dbus
[02:34:21] <crutchy> yup
[02:34:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> var=value
[02:33:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> #comment or
[02:33:48] <crutchy> xml by any other name
[02:33:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> no markup
[02:33:21] <ar> basically, a hierarchy of yaml files
[02:33:03] <ar> it would be nice if windows used something like hiera
[02:32:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> i still remember the nerd rage i had trying to figure out how to connect to a bbs without a good terminal program with the 95 switch
[02:32:42] <crutchy> i like that you can comment config files. i'd rather comment config files than code
[02:31:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, like systemd then
[02:30:56] <paulej72> bunch of crap that is not needed by other os
[02:30:52] <chromas> You just need to redefine "plain"
[02:30:49] <crutchy> problem with db's is that they attract cruft
[02:30:34] <crutchy> oh i agree
[02:30:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> fu, plaintext config files rule
[02:30:00] <crutchy> though i can imagine windows would be pretty slow if all that cruft was stored in .ini files
[02:29:43] <chromas> Databases are just wrong
[02:29:27] <chromas> Start out simple, then take over everything
[02:29:27] <crutchy> yeah
[02:29:22] <chromas> the windows registry was the systemd of its day
[02:29:06] <crutchy> the registry was a fuckup
[02:29:00] <ar> having old dos behind it isn't a good thing
[02:28:49] <chromas> My Documents; My Computer; My SQL
[02:28:47] <crutchy> yeah
[02:28:32] <chromas> as a loader
[02:28:25] <crutchy> it still had old dos behind it
[02:28:16] <crutchy> i liked windows 95
[02:28:01] <chromas> Windows 95 was inspired by perl
[02:27:38] <crutchy> but with new wallpapers@!
[02:27:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> i thought it was same code, faster cpus
[02:25:21] <paulej72> that is how win7 is faster than vista. debug code removed
[02:24:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh
[02:24:48] <crutchy> reworked the program to remove the dev flag in the end
[02:24:36] <crutchy> haha. i did something similar at work with a dev flag in a delphi program. accidentally released to prod with dev flag enabled
[02:23:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh and a don'tfuckingreadthecache boolean for debugging
[02:23:46] <crutchy> if i need more than one query per request i'm doing it wrong
[02:23:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> abstract you reading. have it check a cache first then query the file if no cached entry exists. bonus points for adding aging to the cached values.
[02:22:47] <crutchy> need moar abstraction!
[02:22:24] <crutchy> like slash :p
[02:22:21] <ciri> HAHAHAHA
[02:22:21] <crutchy> lol
[02:22:16] <chromas> crutchy: store the queries in another table :D
[02:22:15] <crutchy> maybe read it all in from one file
[02:22:02] <crutchy> yeah i think i might rework where stuff is read from
[02:22:01] <chromas> Why would they put it where they can't reach it
[02:21:49] <SirFinkus> like, the alarms have perfect comedic timing
[02:21:25] <SirFinkus> FUCKING SMOKE
[02:21:03] <SirFinkus> idk why this is so funny, but it is
[02:21:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> db queries for cachable things are largely cached in slash and automatically use the cache if something is there to use.
[02:20:57] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Nest Protect is a terrible buggy product - YouTube
[02:20:56] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[02:20:08] <crutchy> though reading a file every query not very efficient, but i'm trying to reduce queries too
[02:20:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA Gives us an Amazing Look at the ‘Dark’ Side of the Moon - http://sylnt.us - not-so-dark-side
[02:19:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'why you never hear me going argh cause i accidentally wrote an insecure sub. it can't happen unless i get a raging case of the dumbass.
[02:19:10] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03exec-irc-bot/db.inc at master · crutchy-/exec-irc-bot · GitHub
[02:19:10] <crutchy> https://github.com
[02:19:08] <crutchy> prepared statements are cool cos you can keep sql in a separate file
[02:17:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> it uses custom subs that take care of all the necessary escaping/preparing/etc...
[02:17:42] <paulej72> in a way.
[02:17:40] <crutchy> i haven't got into that side of it much
[02:17:40] <Bender> karma - sql: -3
[02:17:40] <chromas> sql-- # for in-band signalling
[02:17:18] <crutchy> does slash use prepared statements?
[02:17:12] <paulej72> I bet it is a lot and the scary thing is not all of it is cached
[02:16:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, once you get into the swing of things, coding slash is pretty freakin nice. no worries bout did i or didn't i escape variable blah so it doesn't get to inject sql.
[02:16:21] <chromas> 5000000042
[02:16:03] <paulej72> 5000000000
[02:15:51] <crutchy> anyone know how many sql queries get run / how many files get read / etc per request?
[02:15:22] <crutchy> SN is pretty sweet
[02:15:10] <chromas> Sleep now, so you can enjoy all the time after you die
[02:14:30] <paulej72> sleep is for the dead
[02:14:29] <crutchy> catch ya on the flipside
[02:14:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> nite
[02:14:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> and here's the real proof, you can have SN users be happy with your site using perl
[02:14:21] <crutchy> g'night ar
[02:14:12] <ar> sleep time
[02:14:09] <ar> anyway, it's 3:14AM here
[02:12:47] <paulej72> I have written perl code for Windows admin function
[02:12:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can still mostly run perl4 code in 5.20
[02:12:32] <Bender> karma - frameworks: -7
[02:12:31] <crutchy> frameworks--
[02:12:22] <crutchy> php has a bunch of frameworks and fluff available, but i prefer to use built-in features
[02:12:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> say that about any other language. they're always fucking things up and breaking backwards compatibility.
[02:12:04] <ar> because, surprise surprise, the world isn't standing still
[02:11:48] <paulej72> true
[02:11:46] <ar> creating the illusion that there are ready-to-use modules for just about everything, when in fact most of them are lacking in some way
[02:11:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> not stagnated, was perfected and left alone.
[02:11:36] <paulej72> perl 6 is the problem
[02:11:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> heretic!
[02:11:19] <paulej72> that is because perl has stagnated
[02:11:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's like rule #34 for perl coding
[02:10:53] <ar> cpan is a bit sad. many of the modules there are long abandoned
[02:10:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> cpan > *
[02:10:22] <paulej72> cpan modules
[02:10:04] <crutchy> delphi does socket programming better than php imho (more thread control) but php is easy
[02:09:51] <ar> it's *the* tool for the job, especially for non-plaintext protocols
[02:09:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> dude, i wrote a mini http daemon in like three lines
[02:09:31] <ar> if you really want to do network programming, you should look at erlang
[02:09:07] <crutchy> i love how easy it is to do network programming in php
[02:08:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, right but two devs can do all the work. it's that awesome.
[02:08:47] <ar> (though i did awesome/horrible things like writing web applications in c++ using qt thread, socket and http parser abstractions…)
[02:08:36] <crutchy> tmb, when i first looked at slashcode i started trying to code some perl (see my early SN journals) but the error messages are pretty cryptic and there doesn't seem to be as much online help
[02:08:10] <paulej72> I will create,a,language that has only two chars that you can use. fu
[02:08:10] <chromas> leaving two devs to do all the work
[02:07:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ar, that's half the fun. weeding out the noobs.
[02:07:24] <ar> TheMightyBuzzard: if it wasn't for the fact that perl makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot, i'd agree
[02:07:14] <crutchy> yeah i never even contemplated using php for non-web till i came here
[02:07:14] <chromas> texthammer
[02:06:54] <chromas> We should create a new language whose syntax is entirely a pile of regex
[02:06:54] <paulej72> using php for non web stuff seems strange
[02:06:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> .nukefromorbit crutchy
[02:06:34] <crutchy> perl is like php but with gray hair :p
[02:06:13] <crutchy> damn straight. php whacks everything :D
[02:06:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> perl is still the best tool ever invented for bending text to your will. the web is mostly text. perl is the best tool for the web. discuss.
[02:05:56] <paulej72> if all I have is a hammer everything looks like a nail
[02:05:51] <crutchy> such a cool hammer :)
[02:05:41] <ar> and we do have better tools than php, which is like a hammer with two claws
[02:05:22] <crutchy> php works. js is in every browser... ?
[02:05:09] <crutchy> but what of it? we use what we have
[02:05:02] <crutchy> true
[02:04:21] <ar> crutchy: just because something's been used at a particular task doesn't mean that it's the best tool for the job, especially when there's been some time between invention/deployment of said tool and "now"
[02:04:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> js also has visualbasicghonnasyphilaids
[02:04:16] <chromas> or ruby
[02:04:11] <chromas> browsers should use python
[02:04:09] <crutchy> saying js is crap cos its in every browser is pretty dumb
[02:03:35] <crutchy> well, js has that
[02:03:21] <ar> crutchy: saying that php is good because wikipedia uses it is like saying that javascript is good because it's in every browser.
[02:02:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> best of both worlds
[02:02:08] <crutchy> i guess its sort of half-compiled or summin
[02:01:53] <crutchy> lol
[02:01:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> used to be but then people came to their senses.
[02:01:41] <crutchy> seems like there should be given how old it is
[02:01:33] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, is there a compiler for perl?
[02:01:05] <chromas> when systemd switches to ruby
[02:00:38] <crutchy> i'll tell ya what ar. when wikipedia changes to ruby, i'll give it a shot :D
[02:00:16] <ar> crutchy: no, it won't. but at least it'll be consistent and predictable
[02:00:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> perl is still the best. a more elegant language for a more civilized age.
[01:59:52] <ar> php is the only non-esoteric programming language that has all of these issues
[01:59:49] <crutchy> i guess i should just learn ruby and everything will be rosy and pink :p
[01:59:33] <ar> ;)
[01:59:22] <ar> except it is
[01:59:14] <crutchy> php isn't robinson caruso on the island of bad design fractals
[01:59:04] <ar> except not
[01:58:50] <crutchy> pfft. there's fractals of bad design everywhere
[01:58:31] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03PHP: a fractal of bad design / fuzzy notepad
[01:58:31] <ar> also, afict most of things mentioned in http://eev.ee still aren't fixed
[01:58:09] <crutchy> but i still gotta type 'for' in that too!
[01:57:51] <crutchy> foreach is handy
[01:57:44] <ar> (but i belive that php has foreach)
[01:57:24] <ar> high-level languages that force you to use for when iterating over lists suck
[01:57:06] <crutchy> i was being facetious before. i didn't think you'd take me seriously :D
[01:56:42] <ar> no
[01:56:31] <crutchy> oh you mean every language that uses 'for' to make a for loop is shit?
[01:56:24] <chromas> use foreach when you can
[01:56:04] <crutchy> :p
[01:56:02] <crutchy> sorry still not getting it
[01:55:51] <ar> 025429 | crutchy | why should i have to spell 'for' to make a for loop dammit!
[01:55:45] <crutchy> what are you talking about man?
[01:55:09] <ar> crutchy: generally, you shouldn't. you should iterate over iterables/enumerables
[01:55:01] <ar> erm, sorry
[01:54:56] <ar> swiss: you shouldn't. you should iterate over iterables/enumerables
[01:54:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> my getCurrent_user
[01:54:42] <paulej72> got some Hungarian notation as well
[01:54:33] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: camel toe beats camel case by 9,980,000 to 3,440,000!
[01:54:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think we should start alternating just to fuck with anyone who comes along afterwards. not switch up for every other variable but for every other word in each single variable.
[01:54:33] <swiss> !fight camel toe vs camel case
[01:54:29] <crutchy> why should i have to spell 'for' to make a for loop dammit!
[01:54:25] <swiss> which is gross
[01:54:23] <swiss> i remember stuff like 5 ducks + 6 crows == 11 birds works in php
[01:54:08] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: camel toe beats underscored toe by 9,980,000 to 1,210,000!
[01:54:07] <chromas> !fight underscored toe vs camel toe
[01:54:06] <crutchy> lol
[01:54:05] <paulej72> sure as shit
[01:53:58] <ar> crutchy: why should you even have to call "json_last_error"? we're in XXI century in a high-level programming language, not C in 1980s
[01:53:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, you know how we have mixed camel-case and underscored variable names all through slash?
[01:53:36] <crutchy> dude that's a function. not part of the language design
[01:53:34] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: xml beats json by 723,000,000 to 93,300,000!
[01:53:33] <JamesNZ> !fight json vs xml
[01:53:29] <chromas> hack looks like it's got some pascal-ness to it
[01:53:18] <ar> crutchy: >json_decode returns null for invalid input, even though null is also a perfectly valid object for JSON to decode to—this function is completely unreliable unless you also call json_last_error every time you use it.
[01:53:15] <crutchy> go never stops :p
[01:53:08] <swiss> which is perfect for everything
[01:53:05] <swiss> unless you always used go
[01:52:47] <crutchy> and every language has corner cases. i guess if you're coding some funky weird thing that's unlike anything else of course you would need to be picky about the language you use
[01:52:09] <swiss> let's just change this into a convo about how much better Go is than every other language out there
[01:51:55] <crutchy> like where?
[01:51:47] <ar> crutchy: the fact that it has tricky corner cases in places you wouldn't even dare to imagine there could be cornercases
[01:51:34] <SpallsHurgenson> even with strawberries
[01:51:27] <crutchy> ar, they not language design issues
[01:51:24] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: yogurt beats yoghurt by 104,000,000 to 26,700,000!
[01:51:24] <chromas> !fight yogurt vs yoghurt
[01:51:14] <ar> crutchy: the fact that it's inconsistent in its standard library about methood naming schemes
[01:50:58] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: yoda beats darth yoghurt by 32,100,000 to 1,840,000!
[01:50:58] <crutchy> !fight darth yoghurt vs yoda
[01:50:51] <ar> crutchy: the fact that it gives you all the safety and easyness of C combined with the speed of a scripting language
[01:50:50] <SpallsHurgenson> Yogurt! I hate yogurt!
[01:50:45] <crutchy> well, duh!
[01:50:34] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: yoda beats yoghurt by 32,100,000 to 26,700,000!
[01:50:33] <crutchy> !fight yoghurt vs yoda
[01:50:24] <paulej72> yogurt
[01:50:22] <crutchy> language-design-wise php is similar to a lot of other languages
[01:50:17] <chromas> fight fight fight!
[01:50:01] <crutchy> so you got nuthin?
[01:49:53] <chromas> he prefers chicken
[01:49:51] <ar> crutchy: language-design-wise
[01:49:33] <ar> that crap. yes, that's crap
[01:49:29] <crutchy> ar, i code php almost every day. language wise i dunno what your beef is. is there a specific syntax that you think sucks more than others?
[01:49:23] <ar> oh
[01:49:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean a statement to precompile the fucking regex? when the hell are you not going to want to compile a regex that it needs to be spelled out for you?
[01:49:00] <ar> TheMightyBuzzard: how is that? i thought that python has the same regex implementation perl, ruby and java do
[01:48:35] <ciri> now that is funny
[01:48:35] <crutchy> lol
[01:48:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> i like regexs that are actually useful, python has them not.
[01:48:30] <ar> crutchy: i'm trying to convince you to open your eyes and see for yourself that php is crap
[01:48:13] <ar> crutchy: i'm not trying to convince you that php is crap
[01:48:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> ima hafta revolt if it's python
[01:48:00] <crutchy> assembly would make slash into the most awesomesauce cms in history :D
[01:47:41] <paulej72> Python
[01:47:31] <paulej72> assembly
[01:47:21] <crutchy> well it is to some extent. i might end up going to hack if that becomes more popular, but i aint jumping ship to something that isn't widely used
[01:46:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> brainfuck?
[01:46:41] <paulej72> we need to rewrite slash in the worst language possible
[01:46:39] <crutchy> ar is still trying to convince me that php is crap
[01:45:14] <paulej72> white space dependencies in fortran at least the early versions
[01:44:58] <crutchy> perl? no we're commiserating for it :p
[01:44:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> i see yall been badmouthing my language
[01:44:23] <crutchy> yeah. that seems like a whole nuther language in itself
[01:44:01] <chromas> at least it still doesn't need make files
[01:43:48] <chromas> it is. inching toward C in speed :(
[01:43:30] <crutchy> laz seems to be a lot slower at compiling than delphi too. not that its a big deal
[01:42:39] <chromas> ah
[01:42:12] <crutchy> i don't like all the collapsing code and marker lines n shit
[01:41:57] <chromas> I thought it looked a lot like delphi 7, but without plugins
[01:41:51] <crutchy> i converted a fortran program to pascal once. fortran is easy to read at least
[01:41:42] <chromas> ya do?
[01:41:25] <Bender> karma - lazarus: 3
[01:41:25] <crutchy> lazarus++ # like delphi except you gotta disable a bunch of extra modern ui fluff
[01:40:59] <paulej72> the last compiled language I used was fortran
[01:40:39] <Bender> karma - lazarus: 2
[01:40:39] <crutchy> lazarus++
[01:40:17] <chromas> Not that I've used anything since 7
[01:39:58] <chromas> I think they toned that down by 9 or 10
[01:39:35] <crutchy> is why i still use delphi 7
[01:39:26] <crutchy> delphi has already been infected by .net :(
[01:39:19] <chromas> Can't even type one-letter words
[01:39:10] <sedctl> <chromas> .net: when Delphi goes C
[01:39:10] <chromas> s/X/C/
[01:39:07] <chromas> .net: when Delphi goes X
[01:38:46] <paulej72> easier to trust the evil you know
[01:38:16] <crutchy> 'trust us... we're microsoft'
[01:38:02] <paulej72> let's use .net. it's open source now
[01:34:51] <crutchy> and hack runs on hhvm as well
[01:34:40] <crutchy> i like the sound of hack too, cos its php with static typing
[01:34:28] <paulej72> just get a faster machine
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[01:32:59] <crutchy> would be nice to have exec scripts running as native binaries though
[01:31:14] <crutchy> not sure why exec run slow with hhvm, but i thought maybe cos it was a crapload of scripts all running as separate processes might have initially caused some issues
[01:30:44] <swiss> ah
[01:30:12] <ciri> hehehe
[01:30:12] <crutchy> lol i meant the binary that runs the script
[01:29:53] <swiss> wouldn't it be a php script?
[01:29:47] <swiss> >php binary
[01:28:39] <crutchy> dammit. i must have downloaded a php binary renamed as hhvm then :p
[01:27:42] <chromas> crutchy: nope. different implementation; totally different language. just like gcc vs msvc vs watcom
[01:27:12] <crutchy> lol
[01:27:07] <paulej72> no it has a target painted on it
[01:26:52] <crutchy> ar, i can literally run my php bot with 'hhvm irc.php'
[01:26:52] <swiss> paulej72: of course not, that's just counts towards your number of old-ass devs
[01:26:32] <chromas> does your soylent parking spot have a wheelchair painted on it?
[01:26:26] <crutchy> only warning i got when i ran my bot using hhvm was something about needing to set default timezone explicitly
[01:26:19] <ar> calling hhvm php is kind of like calling php perl
[01:26:02] <paulej72> but does hiring perl devs count
[01:25:35] <crutchy> its php but sort of compiled or summin
[01:25:24] <crutchy> hhvm is what facecrap uses
[01:25:12] <paulej72> hhvm?
[01:25:08] <swiss> "No, hiring PHP developers does NOT count towards the number of employees with disabilities"
[01:24:51] <crutchy> you can run almost any php script using hhvm
[01:24:44] <swiss> i read a funny thing the other day
[01:24:29] <ar> their implementation of php doesn't behave 100% like any php version ever released
[01:24:27] <paulej72> funny thing is I don't do php coding, I just help out one of my coworkers
[01:23:42] <crutchy> still uses the php language
[01:23:27] <ar> performance is an issue and facecrap uses its own implementation of it
[01:22:59] <crutchy> nor facecrap
[01:22:54] <crutchy> if performance were an issue then wikipedia wouldn't be using it
[01:22:28] <ar> except, why use php if all you get is a slow wraper around C that doesn't even do basic sanity checks on the C stdlib functions it calls?
[01:22:03] <crutchy> there are things i hate about it, like weak typing
[01:21:39] <crutchy> nothing really that unusual about the php language
[01:21:25] <crutchy> syntax-wise it has a c feel
[01:21:02] <ar> oh come on. even the initial author of php said that it's not a good language
[01:20:26] <crutchy> java is ubiquitous too, but oracle is the devil
[01:20:03] <paulej72> was talking about ruby. php is fine for web development
[01:19:38] <crutchy> main reason why i chose to learn php was ubiquity
[01:19:10] <paulej72> too new for me. I like my languages properly aged
[01:18:59] <ar> php is weird and crappy by definition
[01:18:35] <crutchy> but i guess to a ruby coder php prolly looks weird too. all relative
[01:18:09] <crutchy> ruby just looks weird
[01:17:27] <crutchy> paulej72, everyone else just pities it :p
[01:15:54] <ar> "ruby".downcase.chars.collect { |c| (c.ord > 128? c : (c.ord - 97 + 13) % 26 + 97).chr }.join ""
[01:15:50] <ar> erm
[01:15:47] <ar> "ruby"downcase.chars.collect { |c| (c.ord > 128? c : (c.ord - 97 + 13) % 26 + 97).chr }.join ""
[01:15:20] <paulej72> perl is the language of love. you got to love it to use it
[01:13:06] <crutchy> g'day
[01:12:34] <swiss> hello
[01:09:21] <paulej72> hola folks
[01:02:05] <Bender> karma - bots: 7
[01:02:05] <crutchy> bots++
[01:01:38] <crutchy> i thought maybe it was sir finkus' bot, but he has different host
[00:56:53] <chromas> I don't remember noticing Soybot before
[00:55:31] <Subsentient> <kierabee> that's great
[00:55:31] <Subsentient> <ian_> OK, I'll start so you can get the hang of it. "I slowly remove your top and spread hummus around your armpits, inhaling the intertwining BO and chick-pea aroma"
[00:55:31] <Subsentient> <kierabee> though the idea of 'talking dirty' with you does numb my brain a little
[00:55:31] <Subsentient> lol, reading bash.org
[00:55:29] -!- Soybot has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
[00:42:38] <crutchy> though nc appears to have two nicks
[00:42:14] <crutchy> unfortunately no other match for 5.102.hmu.ik
[00:41:52] <BadCoderFinger> Hrm... posted to bash.org/NSA
[00:41:34] * crutchy copies results from /who into gedit. works well :)
[00:41:28] <JamesNZ> Nuuuuu!
[00:40:56] * Subsentient uses xchat, reports you for sedition
[00:40:23] * JamesNZ nods vigorously
[00:40:05] <crutchy> xchat is definitely the NSA then :p
[00:39:42] <JamesNZ> crutchy: Sounds NSA-ish!
[00:39:23] <crutchy> would be handy to be able to seach by host
[00:39:04] * crutchy really needs to fix his bot's user tracking script :/
[00:38:37] * crutchy wonders who's bot that is
[00:37:10] * Subsentient loves women in scrubs
[00:36:38] <JamesNZ> I don't think I want too.
[00:35:33] -!- Soybot [Soybot!~Soybot@5.102.hmu.ik] has joined #Soylent
[00:35:21] <BadCoderFinger> Good god, look at my spam folder!
[00:34:01] <crutchy> :D
[00:33:40] <BadCoderFinger> TMI, dude.
[00:33:30] <BadCoderFinger> Hey crutchy
[00:33:14] <crutchy> hmm. lucky i don't shave my ass hair
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[00:32:40] <crutchy> !g what is the normal way to blow an assful of boogers?
[00:31:19] <chromas> Abnormally. What's the normal way to blow an assful?
[00:29:03] <crutchy> o.0
[00:28:52] * exec abnormally blows an assfull of boogers at BadCoderFinger
[00:28:51] <crutchy> ~gday BadCoderFinger
[00:25:58] <ciri> hey whats up BadCoderFinger
[00:25:57] <BadCoderFinger> Hi guys
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[00:19:57] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1066
[00:19:56] <crutchy> coffee++ # the only reason why java is so popular
[00:19:51] <chromas> Derp. Nice deleting, me
[00:19:36] <Hedonismbot> Karma - ☕++: 1
[00:19:36] <chromas> ++☕++
[00:19:28] <chromas> ☕++
[00:19:11] <crutchy> oh yeah the coffee mug
[00:18:47] <ar> huh. java has its own unicode character
[00:18:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Smoking Is Even Deadlier Than Previously Thought - http://sylnt.us - it's-never-good-news
[00:18:07] <chromas> Poor ☕
[00:17:38] <Hedonismbot> Karma - coffee: 263
[00:17:38] <JamesNZ> --coffee
[00:17:35] <Bender> karma - tea: 400
[00:17:35] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[00:17:08] <ar> it all depends on the programmer
[00:17:01] <ar> you can write horrible ruby code, you can write ruby code that looks like pseudocode and you can write ruby code that places it among the LISPs
[00:15:22] <chromas> Only if people are willing
[00:15:21] <crutchy> perl is like a locked gate for many i think
[00:15:04] <crutchy> but monstrosities can be tamed
[00:14:52] <crutchy> and cos slash is a monstrosity
[00:14:35] <crutchy> i think perl is one of the main reasons why SN has so few devs
[00:14:06] <Bender> karma - perl: 4
[00:14:05] <crutchy> perl--
[00:14:01] * crutchy shudders
[00:13:28] <ar> or perlish
[00:13:16] <ar> a bit lispish if anything
[00:13:05] <ar> javaish? oh hell no
[00:12:53] <crutchy> looks a bit java'ish or summin
[00:12:31] <crutchy> looks like jibberish to me but i don't know ruby
[00:11:51] <ar> yes, it's ruby
[00:11:42] <crutchy> is that ruby?
[00:10:28] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN article: A Capital Idea 04(32 comments) ( https://soylentnews.org )
[00:10:26] <ar> >234723 | Bender | [SoylentNews] - A Capital Idea - http://sylnt.us - start-coding
[00:09:36] <crutchy> ¿
[00:07:50] <ar> did i miss something?
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[00:04:09] <ar> => "A capital idea about FBI, iPhone and Apple"
[00:04:07] <ar> 2.1.2 :164 > title
[00:04:04] <ar> => ["A", "Capital", "Idea", "About", "FBI,", "iPhone", "And", "Apple"]
[00:04:01] <ar> 2.1.2 :163 > title.split.map do |word| preserve = false; word.chars { |x| preserve = true if x == x.upcase }; word.capitalize! if not preserve; word end