#Soylent | Logs for 2015-02-08

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[00:53:37] <SpallsHurgenson> ah, good ol' #soylent; I'd recognize the smell anywhere
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[01:06:40] <SpallsHurgenson> wow, Canada knows how to handle snow! http://videosift.com :)
[01:06:41] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Train plows through huge snow drifts in Canada
[01:07:48] <chromas> "Train Porn"
[01:09:43] <crutchy_> haha I watch ed that video yesterday
[01:09:49] <SpallsHurgenson> are you trying to imply that a long, powerful train pushing its way indominitably forward, waves of oozy whiteness splashing ahead of it, is somehow sexual? Sorry, I just don't see it
[01:10:02] <crutchy_> hmm I think someone linked it in #
[01:12:40] <SpallsHurgenson> what, somebody got to it before me? I was pre-empted? who was this fiend? I shall challenge him to a duel! Rubber bands at twenty paces!
[01:12:48] <crutchy_> chromas: brought a notepad with me to flesh out some ideas
[01:13:04] <chromas> sweet
[01:13:16] <chromas> gonna make those bubble things?
[01:13:19] <chromas> flow charts
[01:13:22] * crutchy_ glove slaps SpallsHurgenson
[01:13:50] <crutchy_> summin like that
[01:14:22] <crutchy_> not much a fan of flowcharts
[01:14:46] <SpallsHurgenson> I have a "real" * metal gauntlet; I've always wanted to use it to do the glove-to-the-face-duel-challenge-slap thing :) :)
[01:14:53] <chromas> But that's like, uh…the it's what yer s'poss'd'a do!
[01:15:38] <crutchy_> cowboy coding is the best methodology
[01:15:59] <chromas> flowcharts and mountains of comments and also, diagram those sentences!
[01:16:39] <crutchy_> throw shit at the wall and see what sticks
[01:17:00] <crutchy_> comments--
[01:17:00] <Bender> karma - comments: -1
[01:17:06] <SpallsHurgenson> whenever I flowchart it ends up looking like this: 0-->0-->0-->0 because I refuse to acknowledge the possibility of branches. My way or the highway, baby! :)
[01:17:41] <crutchy_> what! no gotos!?
[01:18:17] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, lots of gotos, they just both move you ahead to the same spot no matter which way you go :)
[01:18:32] <crutchy_> :D
[01:18:40] <chromas> 10 GOTO 20
[01:18:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, yeah, fuck a bunch of users that try doing things in unexpected ways
[01:19:23] <SpallsHurgenson> the problem, I think we all can agree, is with the users, not our programs. So the best thing to do is write software that doesn't attract any users :)
[01:19:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> zactly
[01:20:19] * TheMightyBuzzard goes to DROP TABLE users
[01:22:13] <SpallsHurgenson> they should understand they are PRIVILEGED to use our software, and follow the course WE have laid down for them. We wrote the damn thing, we know better than they what should be done? Choices? Phah!
[01:23:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> right, if they want to do it their way they can write their own bloody code.
[01:23:40] <SpallsHurgenson> Preach on, Brother Buzzard!
[01:25:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> "Did you see a sign that said 'Burger King' when you came in? And do you know why? Because having it your way ain't my motherfucking business!"
[01:28:16] <SpallsHurgenson> of course, the only thing worse than Users is Other Programmers. Those talentless hacks coming in with "suggestions" and "improvements" and "optimizations"; they just can't see the vision and magnificence of my code!
[01:29:28] <crutchy_> yeah! fuck beta!
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[01:29:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ya, only reason I let paulej72 do a little of that is so he feels like he's in charge of stuff.
[01:30:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> keeps me from having to deal with management issues.
[01:30:18] <crutchy_> ncommander seems to have bailef
[01:30:30] <crutchy_> s/f/d/
[01:30:40] <crutchy_> derp
[01:31:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> he's on leave, yo. havin significant issues.
[01:31:35] <SpallsHurgenson> probably had to recover from the stress of a user talking back to him
[01:32:04] <crutchy_> prolly all the snow he accumulated between his toes
[01:32:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> and us devs, and the editors, and the other board members.
[01:32:17] <SpallsHurgenson> trying to dumb down my high-level discourse to something a User can understand exhausts me for days :) :)
[01:32:19] <crutchy_> that shit gets everywhere
[01:32:55] * crutchy_ is of course speaking from his significant experience with snow :p
[01:33:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> i spect he'll be back but if not we'll manage.
[01:33:13] <crutchy_> its white, right?
[01:33:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> racist!
[01:33:26] <SpallsHurgenson> crutchy: not after the dogs have been at it
[01:33:49] <crutchy_> beware the yellow snow
[01:34:02] <chromas> Here, try this crutchy; it's lemon!
[01:34:04] <SpallsHurgenson> (or a few hours of passing automobiles)
[01:34:14] <crutchy_> tama, dont eat snow that has a yellowish tinge
[01:35:13] <crutchy_> brown snow gets targeted by plows more
[01:35:38] <crutchy_> the plowing system is corrupt and snowist
[01:37:03] <crutchy_> specially when they punch a hole in your piles to check for white powder
[01:37:13] <SpallsHurgenson> oooh, "The Joy of Painting" https://archive.org Happy little clouds! Happy little trees!
[01:37:14] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Internet Archive Search: collection:The_Joy_of_Painting
[01:38:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> HAPPY LITTLE MOTHERFUCKIN TREES!
[01:38:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> i love that guy. he's like a stoned mr. rogers.
[01:40:57] <SpallsHurgenson> https://www.youtube.com
[01:40:58] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Bob Ross Remixed | Happy Little Clouds | PBS Digital Studios - YouTube
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[01:42:52] <crutchy_> yo Bytram|away
[01:43:09] <crutchy_> ~gday Bytram|away
[01:43:10] * exec prematurely hurls a cold can of boogers at Bytram|away
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[01:44:36] <crutchy_> ~weather crutchy
[01:44:37] <exec> 03Melbourne VIC - currently 66°F / 19°C, overcast, wind W at 2 mph, humidity 76% - Sunday clear (57°F-73°F / 14°C-23°C), Monday clear (58°F-85°F / 14°C-29°C), Tuesday clear (64°F-91°F / 18°C-33°C), Wednesday partly cloudy (60°F-92°F / 16°C-33°C) - google
[01:44:48] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[01:45:08] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[01:45:10] <exec> 03Boston, MA, USA - currently 29°F / -2°C, light snow, wind S at 7 mph, humidity 80% - Saturday chance of snow (23°F-30°F / -5°C--1°C), Sunday snow (25°F-30°F / -4°C--1°C), Monday snow (25°F-37°F / -4°C-3°C), Tuesday chance of snow (14°F-39°F / -10°C-4°C) - google
[01:45:17] <Bytram> ~weather PWM
[01:45:18] <exec> 03Portland, OR, USA - currently 56°F / 13°C, mostly cloudy, humidity 84% - Saturday rain (46°F-58°F / 8°C-14°C), Sunday rain (45°F-57°F / 7°C-14°C), Monday rain (43°F-55°F / 6°C-13°C), Tuesday chance of rain (41°F-54°F / 5°C-12°C) - google
[01:45:33] <crutchy_> ~weather-prefs unit metric
[01:45:34] <exec> successfully saved prefs
[01:45:40] <Bytram> lol! PWM == Portland-Westbrook Metro ... as in Portland, Maine!
[01:45:58] <Bytram> ~weather-prefs unit imperial
[01:45:58] <exec> successfully saved prefs
[01:46:07] <Bytram> ~weather portland, maine
[01:46:08] <exec> 03Portland, ME, USA - currently 25°F, overcast, wind N at 0 mph, humidity 75% - Saturday snow (10°F-27°F), Sunday snow (9°F-18°F), Monday snow (14°F-23°F), Tuesday partly cloudy (10°F-27°F) - google
[01:46:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> heya, Bytram
[01:46:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather
[01:46:21] <exec> 03Ada, OK, USA - currently 57°F, clear, wind S at 12 mph, humidity 72% - Saturday fog (43°F-70°F), Sunday partly cloudy (41°F-73°F), Monday partly cloudy (41°F-64°F), Tuesday clear (46°F-66°F) - google
[01:46:23] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: hiya!
[01:46:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> suck it, winter
[01:46:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> global warming for the win
[01:46:48] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: want some snow? I've already got *PLENTY* and... lots more is coming, soon!
[01:47:02] <crutchy_> ~weather sale victoria
[01:47:03] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[01:47:25] <Bytram> the price is right... free!
[01:47:39] <crutchy_> generic_city_names--
[01:47:39] <Bender> karma - generic_city_names: -1
[01:47:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, hells no. i like being able to see the ground.
[01:47:58] <chromas> crutchy_: that's why they have namespaces
[01:48:04] <Bytram> but seriously, we've got more snow on the ground than I remember in a long time and they're forecasting another 8-12 inches
[01:48:10] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: lol
[01:48:30] <crutchy_> ~weather sale, victoria, australia
[01:48:32] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[01:48:39] <crutchy_> dumbot
[01:49:32] <crutchy_> ~weather raaf base east sale victoria australia
[01:49:33] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[01:49:40] <crutchy_> I give up
[01:50:05] <Bytram> crutchy_: whatcha trying to do? get a sale on weather?
[01:50:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, think it's trek n lay around time
[01:50:35] <crutchy_> im in a city called 'sale' atm
[01:51:05] <Bytram> now that is an interesting name for a city! any idea why it is named that?
[01:51:38] <crutchy_> dunno. straya has lots of weird names
[01:51:47] <Bytram> nod nod
[01:52:19] <Bytram> so do the states -- but more along the lines of the locals do not pronounce the place name the way you'd think it would be pronounced
[01:52:28] <Bytram> e.g. 'reading' is pronounced 'redding'
[01:52:36] <crutchy_> oh lol
[01:52:41] <chromas> Butte
[01:52:56] <Bytram> 'saco' is not 'sayko' but 'caw-ko'
[01:52:56] <crutchy_> I always thought it was reading like a book reading
[01:53:07] <Bytram> not in massachusetts, at least.
[01:53:24] <Bytram> 'woburn' is not woe-burn but woo-burn
[01:53:35] <crutchy_> you guys have some native indian city names too I guess
[01:53:50] <crutchy_> aboriginal names are weird
[01:53:55] <Bytram> yuppers -- those are the *really* fun ones.
[01:54:06] <Bytram> there's a lake up north: mooselookmeguntic
[01:54:38] * Bytram notices the story queue is empty, time to process some story submissions and move stories to the front page.
[01:54:41] <Bytram> back in a bit
[01:55:27] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: have fun watching trek!
[01:56:15] <crutchy_> ~queue
[01:56:20] <exec> *** SN submission queue: 11 - http://sylnt.us
[01:56:20] <SpallsHurgenson> http://www.cnet.com
[01:56:20] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Arthur C. Clarke accurately describes the 21st century...in 1976 - CNET
[01:56:43] <crutchy_> ~uid
[01:56:45] <exec> The current maximum UID is 5038, owned by eod
[01:59:54] <crutchy_> bytram. I been mucking about with ~submit a little. I made a ~filter alias to display submission in a pastie
[02:00:04] <crutchy_> still bit dodgy though
[02:00:21] <Bytram> I appreciate the effort!
[02:01:00] <crutchy_> I prolly still only submit if queue dries up
[02:01:25] <Bytram> biggest help would be to include more of the story in the submission -- a link and a single line is pretty tough to start from... including the frist, say, three paragraphs from the story does a *lot* to help give an idea of how (or if) to proceed with it.
[02:01:58] <crutchy_> try ~filter <url>
[02:02:22] <Bytram> give me a bit - I'm right in the middle of editing a story
[02:03:12] <Bytram> ~filter http://www.wired.com
[02:03:16] <exec> http://paste.my.to
[02:03:23] <Bytram> huh?
[02:03:44] <Bytram> oh. THAT's what you meant by 'a pastie'
[02:04:59] <Bytram> I'm not sure how that is better than just going to the site, itself... 'cept for cookies and javascript/tracking and the like, I suppose.
[02:05:56] <SpallsHurgenson> soylent has a website now?
[02:06:00] <crutchy_> thinking of limitibg to couple of paragraphs or summin
[02:06:10] * Bytram goes to look at what got pasted...
[02:10:16] <Bytram> hmmm, maybe a half-dozen paragraphs or 1024 bytes, whichever comes first?
[02:10:31] <Bytram> BTW, nice job scraping the text!
[02:10:43] <chromas> Feed it to ciri and have it write the submissions :D
[02:10:58] <Bytram> might want to do something along the lines of: s/&nbsp;/ /g
[02:11:06] * Bytram goes to quiver in a corner
[02:11:42] <Bytram> ok, there's one done; should be live in about 5 minutes or so.
[02:27:59] <crutchy_> bytram, yeah plenty to improve. though it prolly wouldnt matter for a submission. only shows up in the paste cos its text/plain
[02:28:26] <Bytram> ah. got it! hmmm, so that's an interim step in your processing?
[02:29:05] <crutchy_> I didnt want to clog up the dev queue while I was testing
[02:29:06] <Bytram> oh. nvm.
[02:30:05] <Bytram> can you preface the submitted story's title with a fixed string while testing? e.g. "FEED-TEST-XYZZY "
[02:30:18] <Bytram> then TMB could do a select and delete based on that string
[02:30:36] <crutchy_> nod
[02:31:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Jailbreak your Tractor or Make it Run OSS? - http://sylnt.us - dawn-of-year-of-linux-on-the-tractor
[02:31:50] <Bytram> Bender's a little slow; that was pegged to go out at: 02:17 UTC
[02:32:10] <crutchy_> ~time fart
[02:32:11] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Sunday, 8 February 2015, 2:32 am
[02:32:20] <Bytram> ~time x
[02:32:21] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Sunday, 8 February 2015, 2:32 am
[02:32:43] <chromas> ~time musheen
[02:32:44] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Sunday, 8 February 2015, 2:32 am
[02:32:45] * Bytram likes that one as it is also a play on "Timex" -- a popular watch brand
[02:33:00] <crutchy_> ~time gmt
[02:33:02] <exec> Sunday, 8 February 2015 @ 2:33 am GMT - Greenwich Mean Time
[02:33:09] <Bytram> ~time UTC
[02:33:11] <exec> Sunday, 8 February 2015 @ 2:33 am GMT - Greenwich Mean Time
[02:33:17] <Bytram> noice!
[02:33:38] <crutchy_> ~time hell
[02:33:40] <exec> Saturday, 7 February 2015 @ 9:33 pm EST - Washington, DC, USA
[02:34:44] <Bytram> food++ brb
[02:34:44] <Bender> karma - food: 11
[02:34:49] <chromas> ~time for justice
[02:34:51] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Sunday, 8 February 2015, 2:34 am
[02:34:52] <Bytram> oh, and lest I forget:
[02:34:55] <Bytram> coffee++
[02:34:55] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1036
[02:34:59] <Bytram> poutine--
[02:34:59] <Bender> karma - poutine: -381
[02:35:01] <Bytram> bacon--
[02:35:01] <Bender> karma - bacon: 288
[02:35:03] <crutchy_> bacon++
[02:35:03] <Bender> karma - bacon: 289
[02:35:06] <Bytram> bacon--
[02:35:06] <Bender> karma - bacon: 288
[02:35:32] <Bytram> afk brb
[02:35:47] <crutchy_> damn phone battery running low
[02:36:45] <crutchy_> I should post a screen cap on imgur. they always show almost empty battery
[02:37:31] <crutchy_> and every tom dick n harry points it out
[02:41:36] <chromas> photoshop out everything but the battery
[02:41:59] <chromas> or modify it so the graph goes beyond the battery, 200% charge
[02:42:19] <crutchy_> make it go up to 11
[02:42:39] <crutchy_> mine doesnt have numbers
[02:43:24] <chromas> Could make the filled part go outside the batter; have it look like the battery cracked open
[02:44:02] <chromas> :/ now I'm in the mood for some photoshopping
[02:44:04] <crutchy_> I could have a single pixel line going frpm the top of the battery as a cord with a plug at the end that fell out of thr wall socket
[02:45:46] <crutchy_> or draw a dick next to it and caption the image "instructions not clear enough. got dick caught in battery"
[02:46:48] <chromas> Bender: grab crutchy_
[02:46:49] <Bender> Added quote 375
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[02:54:21] <crutchy_> ~g'day LancePodstrong
[02:54:22] * exec brazenly cracks open an anvil of skittles for LancePodstrong
[02:54:43] * LancePodstrong can taste the rainbow
[02:54:53] <LancePodstrong> but it might be all that cannabis
[02:56:11] <LancePodstrong> it was nice out today, got some nice trudging in the snow done with the dog
[02:56:23] <crutchy_> ~rainbow doctor I think I might be a homosexual
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[02:56:43] <LancePodstrong> the woodland critters have started using the trail i hacked through the woods last month
[02:56:45] <crutchy_> aw. andchat strips the colors :(
[02:57:12] <LancePodstrong> only some of the letters blink and it makes it really hard to read
[02:57:17] <LancePodstrong> it should be all or none
[02:59:40] <crutchy_> ~rainbow <marquee>irc 2.0</marquee>
[02:59:41] <exec> 00,02<00,06m00,04a00,07r00,08q00,09u00,12e00,02e00,06>00,04i00,07r00,08c00,09 00,12200,02.00,06000,04<00,07/00,08m00,09a00,12r00,02q00,06u00,04e00,07e00,08>
[03:01:46] <SpallsHurgenson> mmm, critters
[03:02:32] <SpallsHurgenson> heh, http://videosift.com
[03:02:33] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03If RPG Video Game Characters Were Honest
[03:56:11] <SpallsHurgenson> http://www.cnet.com
[03:56:12] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Corning fires up new super scratch-resistant glass - CNET
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[05:03:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Explain How Brian Williams' Memory may have Failed Him - http://sylnt.us - DRAM-is-to-SRAM-as-Human-Memory-is-to-???
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[07:35:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Pluto's Evaporating Ice Leaves it with a Blank Face - http://sylnt.us - great-at-poker
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[09:02:05] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[09:02:06] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Don't take a picture of your Raspberry Pi 2 - YouTube
[09:06:25] <arti> apparently works with a laser pointer, too.
[09:27:25] <swiss> lolol
[09:34:03] <arti> we should all invest in raspberry pi case companies.
[09:36:34] <crutchy> ++coffee
[09:36:34] <Hedonismbot> Karma - coffee: 254
[09:39:00] <arti> morning mate
[09:39:17] <crutchy> evenin arti
[09:40:45] <arti> have you fed the dingos today?
[09:41:02] <crutchy> they're in bed now
[09:42:13] <arti> that's a good spot to keep them.
[10:03:31] <crutchy> omfg
[10:03:39] <crutchy> mod_rewrite++
[10:03:39] <Bender> karma - mod_rewrite: 0
[10:07:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google Prepares to Disrupt Wireless Carrier Industry; Verizon Yawns - http://sylnt.us - every-move-you-make;-every-call-you-take;-we'll-be-watching-you
[10:13:52] <crutchy> i saw a street view car today
[10:13:58] <crutchy> it was sooooo exciting :p
[10:14:17] <crutchy> i don't even know why
[11:28:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:28:03] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1037
[11:29:44] <crutchy> ++coffee
[11:29:44] <Hedonismbot> Karma - coffee: 255
[11:33:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> erg, slept right through my alarm today
[11:34:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather
[11:34:58] <exec> 03Ada, OK, USA - currently 46°F, clear, wind SE at 7 mph, humidity 100% - Sunday partly cloudy (39°F-73°F), Monday clear (41°F-70°F), Tuesday clear (39°F-70°F), Wednesday partly cloudy (34°F-59°F) - google
[11:35:02] <Subsentient> $restart
[11:35:02] <aqu4> Be right back.
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[11:35:13] <Subsentient> $wz
[11:35:13] <aqu4> 4[1 of 1] Name: Pit Of Doom | Map: 4Triumvirate-T1 (map-mod) | Host: New One | Players: 3/3 | IP: 180.215.34.38 | Version: 3.1.2
[11:35:16] <Subsentient> $commands
[11:35:16] <aqu4> Commands with 1 star = admins only, 2 stars = owners only. Commands available:
[11:35:17] <aqu4> burrito, beer, godzilla4**, wz, guessinggame, sr, time, title, ddg, coin, seen, tell, sticky, replace, whoami, tail8*, msg8*, memsg8*, noticemsg8*, chanctl8*, join8*, part8*, cycle8*, debug8*, nickchange4**, admin4**, blacklist8*, netwrite4**, quit4**, restart4**, help, commands
[11:35:20] <Subsentient> $time MST
[11:35:20] <aqu4> Sun 2015-02-08 04:34:24 AM MST
[11:40:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> yays, today's spam mod was legit
[11:40:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://soylentnews.org
[11:40:45] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN comment by Anonymous Coward
[12:09:56] * Subsentient moderates insightful
[12:38:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Richard Stallman Concerned about lldb Support in Emacs' gud - http://sylnt.us - considering-the-ramifications
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[12:54:30] <Bytram|away> coffee++
[12:54:31] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1038
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[12:54:43] <Bytram> morning, all
[12:54:55] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[12:54:57] <exec> 03Boston, MA, USA - currently 29°F, light snow, wind NE at 5 mph, humidity 94% - Sunday snow (25°F-32°F), Monday snow (21°F-32°F), Tuesday chance of snow (18°F-37°F), Wednesday partly cloudy (18°F-28°F) - google
[12:55:05] <Bytram> ~weather portland, maine
[12:55:07] <exec> 03Portland, ME, USA - currently 10°F, light snow, wind NE at 8 mph, humidity 86% - Sunday snow (9°F-18°F), Monday snow (14°F-21°F), Tuesday chance of snow showers (9°F-27°F), Wednesday mostly cloudy (9°F-23°F) - google
[12:55:19] <Bytram> !uid
[12:55:19] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4027, owned by htmbv
[12:55:23] <Bytram> ~uid
[12:55:25] <exec> The current maximum UID is 5039, owned by Maskawanian
[12:56:09] <Bytram> TheMightyLaptop: ping. you up?
[12:56:41] * Bytram is having the hardest time trying to fix an SN link in: https://soylentnews.org
[12:56:42] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN article:  Pluto and Ceres 04(12 comments)
[12:58:30] <Bytram> it's the first link in the story: "getting data back from Pluto"
[12:59:11] <TheMightyLaptop> Bytram, yeah, sup?
[12:59:35] <Bytram> when I edit the story, the link in the "Intro Copy" pane is: href="//soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/02/02/224222&amp;tid=14"
[12:59:48] <Bytram> after preview (or notr) and save, it comes out on the main page as:
[12:59:57] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[12:59:58] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN article:  var pageload = { pagemark: '798606212724853073', before_content: (new Date).getTime() }; function pageload_done( $, console, maybe ){ pageload.after_readycode = (new Date).getTime(); pageload.content_ready_time = pageload.content_ready - pageload.before_content; pageload.script_ready_time = pageload.after_readycode - pageload.content_ready; pageload.ready_time = pageload.after_readycode - pageload.before_content; // Only report 1% of cases.
[13:00:09] <Bytram> notice the trailing "tid" text.
[13:00:11] <Bytram> :/
[13:00:40] <Bytram> I've tried deleting the inserted &tid text and save (with and without preview) and it gets put back in, and wrong.
[13:01:20] <Bytram> I'm undercaffienated, but saw a user comment about the link being broken and am trying to fix.
[13:01:27] <Bytram> here's the strange part:
[13:01:39] <TheMightyLaptop> hold up, still trying to find the bad link
[13:01:41] <Bytram> the related stories link works
[13:01:57] <Bytram> and is included, there, as: https://soylentnews.org
[13:01:58] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN article:  Talking to Pluto 04(16 comments)
[13:02:08] <Bytram> story is here: https://soylentnews.org
[13:02:08] <Hedonismbot> ^* 03SN article:  Pluto and Ceres 04(12 comments)
[13:02:27] <TheMightyLaptop> yeah, i have no idea what you're talking about now
[13:02:40] <Bytram> k.
[13:02:45] <Bytram> let me start over.
[13:02:51] <TheMightyLaptop> there is no link in the intro copy pane of that story
[13:02:59] <Bytram> you've got the "Pluto and Ceres" story up, right?
[13:02:59] <TheMightyLaptop> cept the one to TFA
[13:03:04] <TheMightyLaptop> nod nod
[13:03:07] <Bytram> k
[13:03:23] <Bytram> go in to edit the story
[13:03:28] <TheMightyLaptop> yeah...
[13:03:51] <Bytram> hover over the link that has link text: "getting data back from Pluto"
[13:04:04] <TheMightyLaptop> isn't one
[13:04:04] <Bytram> see: https://soylentnews.org
[13:04:05] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN article:  Talking to Pluto 04(16 comments)
[13:04:26] <TheMightyLaptop> oh you linked the talking to pluto story first
[13:04:50] <Bytram> oh. my bad
[13:04:52] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:04:52] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1039
[13:04:59] <Bytram> that's better! =)
[13:05:18] <TheMightyLaptop> okay, what's wrong with the link?
[13:05:25] <TheMightyLaptop> cause it reads fine to me
[13:05:28] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:05:43] <Bytram> it looks just fine in the *editor* window.
[13:05:51] <TheMightyLaptop> ahhh, when you hit preview
[13:06:17] <Bytram> ding ding ding
[13:06:36] <TheMightyLaptop> so remove the "tid" from the end of the link and hit update
[13:06:42] <Bytram> try it.
[13:07:27] <Bytram> I tried that, and it reappeared.
[13:08:02] <TheMightyLaptop> i dunno what to tell yas, looks good now
[13:08:16] <Bytram> lemme check
[13:08:32] <TheMightyLaptop> remove everything after the sid value in the link and it's peachy
[13:09:33] <TheMightyLaptop> just buggers up if you hit preview again
[13:09:43] <Bytram> but but but... I *did* that, and it left it as: https://soylentnews.org
[13:09:43] <Hedonismbot> ^* 03SN article:  var pageload = { pagemark: '798606212724853073', before_content: (new Date).getTime() }; function pageload_done( $, console, maybe ){ pageload.after_readycode = (new Date).getTime(); pageload.content_ready_time = pageload.content_ready - pageload.before_content; pageload.script_ready_time = pageload.after_readycode - pageload.content_ready; pageload.ready_time = pageload.after_readycode - pageload.before_content; // Only report 1% of cases.
[13:09:50] <Bytram> hrrrrm
[13:09:55] * Bytram refreshes main page
[13:10:09] <TheMightyLaptop> yes and if you remove the "tid" and hit update it saves it correctly
[13:10:45] <Bytram> I coulda sworn that is exactly what I did do and that's not what happened for me.
[13:10:50] <Bytram> hmmm
[13:10:51] <TheMightyLaptop> preview is what's fubar not update
[13:12:22] <TheMightyLaptop> dunno why that's happening, wrong filter on the admin.pl page maybe
[13:12:27] <Bytram> ok, now it's my turn... don't follow. Let me just try somethin real quick. brb
[13:13:06] * Bytram is repeating his steps.
[13:13:18] <Bytram> I just truncated the link in the story editor to be: href="//soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/02/02/224222"
[13:13:32] <Bytram> i.e. chopped off the &tid and all following text
[13:13:36] <Bytram> is that what you did?
[13:13:41] <TheMightyLaptop> kay
[13:13:46] <TheMightyLaptop> no, i just hit preview
[13:14:34] <Bytram> well, after that, I just hit preview and the link is now: href="//soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/02/02/224222&amp;tid=14"
[13:14:47] <Bytram> okay, so the tid got added back in, but it looks okay.
[13:14:50] <TheMightyLaptop> good good
[13:15:05] <TheMightyLaptop> now remove the &amp;tid=14 and hit update
[13:15:07] <Bytram> I look in the preview window and it looks good there, too.
[13:15:37] <Bytram> I'll do that next time. Right now, with the &tid in there, I'm going to hit update
[13:15:43] <TheMightyLaptop> it is. it's getting buggered up when it's given back to you below not as it's stored in the db
[13:16:05] <TheMightyLaptop> so above is fine and the story is fine but in the intro copy part it will be buggered up
[13:16:32] <Bytram> and now the tid IS in the story, and it looks to be formatted correctly
[13:16:52] <TheMightyLaptop> ya, that's added back in by the slashlinks system
[13:17:29] <Bytram> hmm
[13:17:54] <Bytram> well, the link is now correct and when I clicked on it, it took me to the "Talking to Pluto" story
[13:18:02] <TheMightyLaptop> nod nod
[13:18:29] <TheMightyLaptop> only the edit box of intro copy will be wrong. it won't accurately reflect what is in the db.
[13:18:41] <Bytram> whatI had seen, originally, on the main page was: "https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/02/02/224222tid"
[13:18:41] <Hedonismbot> ^* 03SN article:  var pageload = { pagemark: '798606212724853073', before_content: (new Date).getTime() }; function pageload_done( $, console, maybe ){ pageload.after_readycode = (new Date).getTime(); pageload.content_ready_time = pageload.content_ready - pageload.before_content; pageload.script_ready_time = pageload.after_readycode - pageload.content_ready; pageload.ready_time = pageload.after_readycode - pageload.before_content; // Only report 1% of cases.
[13:18:48] <TheMightyLaptop> preview will and update will save what you tell it to.
[13:19:06] <TheMightyLaptop> ya, i had to fix that on another story a while back
[13:19:50] <TheMightyLaptop> i know what it is and i know how to fix it but i'm on leave and won't be fixing anything for another 3 weeks or so.
[13:20:04] <Bytram> okay, so if I beat on it enough, I guess I can force it to work, but the question is: how/why did it get broked up in the first place when it was given a valid link to start with?
[13:20:21] <TheMightyLaptop> shrug, prolly a typo
[13:20:22] <Bytram> understood.
[13:20:30] <Bytram> could be.
[13:20:44] <TheMightyLaptop> something i did when i redid the filters i expect
[13:20:51] <Bytram> I'll just try and keep my eyes peeled *wide* open
[13:21:01] <Bytram> =)
[13:21:05] <Bytram> 8)
[13:21:23] <Bytram> thanks for the quick feedback and oh-dark-thirty on a Sunday morning!
[13:21:29] <Bytram> s/ and/ at/
[13:21:29] <sedctl> <Bytram> thanks for the quick feedback at oh-dark-thirty on a Sunday morning!
[13:21:31] <TheMightyLaptop> ya, it's just a matter of fixing bad links when necessary. believe what you type in not what is filled in for you in introtext
[13:23:38] <Bytram> I think I get it... so the "Intro Copy" is not really what goes into the DB, but is, instead, an attempt to present to the user what it would look like in such a way that it would generate the main page(rendered) text?
[13:24:45] <TheMightyLaptop> lemme try n splain the flow... if it's already in the db, preview accurately represents what is in the db but introtext gets garbled. you have to fix it whenever you update.
[13:25:12] <TheMightyLaptop> means removing everything after the 224222
[13:25:31] <Bytram> okaaaaay,...
[13:25:59] <Bytram> 'already in the DB' ?? as a saved story? as opposed to first edit on a submission?
[13:26:20] <TheMightyLaptop> no, even the first edit is in the db
[13:26:25] <Bytram> oh.
[13:26:28] <Bytram> hmmmm
[13:26:50] <TheMightyLaptop> just make sure nothing comes after the sid=224222 and you're good
[13:27:26] <Bytram> that makes sense. And I would have sworn that is *exactly* what I did! Musta meant and done different things. oh well!
[13:27:35] <TheMightyLaptop> nod nod
[13:27:53] <TheMightyLaptop> even when you do that if you hit preview it's going to regarble in introtext
[13:28:13] <Bytram> oh. OH?!
[13:28:42] <TheMightyLaptop> so the preview DOES show you accurately what you had put in but introtext does not
[13:29:01] <Bytram> so edit window text is function_editwindow(DB_stuff) and rendered text is function_rendertext(DB_stuff) ...
[13:29:19] <TheMightyLaptop> nod nod
[13:29:23] <Bytram> instead of rendered text is function_redertext(text_in_edit_winwo)
[13:29:32] <Bytram> s/winwo/window/
[13:29:32] <sedctl> <Bytram> instead of rendered text is function_redertext(text_in_edit_window)
[13:29:51] <TheMightyLaptop> has to be different processing cause one is to render html and one is to render into a textarea
[13:30:16] <TheMightyLaptop> what's stuffed into the empty textarea is what's getting garbled.
[13:30:19] <Bytram> or, in other words: it IS NOT: function_rendertext(render_editwindow(db_stuff))
[13:31:15] <TheMightyLaptop> really don't follow but the processing is different for spitting it into the preview vs putting it in the introtext box
[13:31:38] <TheMightyLaptop> the put it in the introtext box filter is what's wrong
[13:31:45] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:32:22] <Bytram> DB_stuff --> preview window; DB_stuff --> introtext
[13:32:30] <TheMightyLaptop> yep
[13:32:40] <Bytram> instead of DB_stuff --> introtext --> preview window
[13:33:10] <TheMightyLaptop> actually more of a Y or T branch cause no sense in having two copies of db_stuff but yes, exactly
[13:33:28] <Bytram> GOT IT!
[13:33:30] <Bytram> !woop
[13:33:30] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[13:33:34] <Bytram> TheMightyLaptop++
[13:33:34] <Bender> karma - themightylaptop: 2
[13:33:37] <Bytram> lol
[13:33:38] <ciri> i don't think it's that funny lol
[13:33:43] <TheMightyLaptop> but when you hit update have everything in introtext right cause it will overwrite what's in the db
[13:34:20] <Bytram> hmm
[13:34:33] <TheMightyLaptop> means nothing after the sid=foo/bar/224222
[13:34:38] <Bytram> DB_suff <-- update_processing(intro_text)
[13:34:41] <TheMightyLaptop> or whatever
[13:34:49] <TheMightyLaptop> no, no processing
[13:35:08] <TheMightyLaptop> direct shoving of whatever is in introtext exactly like that into the db
[13:35:15] <Bytram> oh.
[13:35:33] <TheMightyLaptop> well not entirely true but close enough
[13:35:47] <Bytram> DB_stuff <-- intro_text EXACTLY as I see it?
[13:35:52] <TheMightyLaptop> jes
[13:36:07] <Bytram> well, maybe not exactly, but pretty much
[13:36:33] <TheMightyLaptop> the tid will be added back later by parseSlashLinks but it doesn't need to be in the db
[13:37:46] <Bytram> got it; when does parseSlashLinks get run? Upon save? Or, upon loading of the story?
[13:37:49] <Bytram> or,m other?
[13:37:52] <TheMightyLaptop> loading
[13:38:14] <TheMightyLaptop> or preview
[13:38:37] <TheMightyLaptop> tried to move all filtering to the output stage only
[13:39:10] <Bytram> k, IOW, try to keep the DB stuff unchanged for as much and for as long as possible?
[13:39:12] <TheMightyLaptop> well most all.
[13:39:37] <TheMightyLaptop> nah, keep it unchanged period. only filter when you're rendering a page
[13:39:53] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:40:07] <TheMightyLaptop> so you don't ever filter what's in the db, just filter what you pulled from the db.
[13:40:42] <TheMightyLaptop> and one of the filters is the wrong one for the introtext field
[13:40:50] <TheMightyLaptop> or something
[13:41:16] <TheMightyLaptop> s'not hard to fix, i expect pj could if he had time.
[13:42:31] <TheMightyLaptop> only real filtering we want done, ideally, is escaping anything that might bugger up an sql statement.
[13:42:52] <TheMightyLaptop> on input to the db i mean
[13:43:26] <TheMightyLaptop> that way if we fix a bug it retroactively fixes every story ever instead of having to go back and fix them manually
[13:44:11] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:44:15] <Bytram> separate the presentation from the content
[13:44:20] <TheMightyLaptop> yar
[13:44:41] <Bytram> so, what I see in the preview pane... if it looks good, then I'm good to go?
[13:44:49] <TheMightyLaptop> yep
[13:44:55] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:45:26] <TheMightyLaptop> with a caveat
[13:46:00] <TheMightyLaptop> when you hit preview, it will bugger up what is in introtext again
[13:46:17] <TheMightyLaptop> so you will have to refix it if it came out okay in preview
[13:46:37] <Bytram> and what is in the IntroText area is what gets written to the DB?
[13:46:49] <TheMightyLaptop> when you hit update, yeah. not until then.
[13:46:55] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:47:55] <TheMightyLaptop> it's an annoying bug but not terribly confusing once you got it sorted in your head
[13:48:51] <TheMightyLaptop> and it's only really gonna happen to links to our own stories
[13:49:22] <Bytram> okay. I think I got it. lemme put it back to ya
[13:50:04] <Bytram> I go to edit a story. PreviewPane <-- renderPP(db) editText <-- renderET(db)
[13:50:09] <Bytram> I click preview
[13:51:01] <TheMightyLaptop> mmm...
[13:51:19] <Bytram> correction:
[13:51:29] <Bytram> there is the stuff that is actually sitting on disk in the DB
[13:51:38] <TheMightyLaptop> should go like this: you go to edit a story. you fix the link down in introtext, you hit preview, you refix the link down in introtext, you hit update
[13:51:43] <Bytram> and then there is the in-memory representation of what we want in the DB, right?
[13:52:06] <Bytram> got it.
[13:52:20] <Bytram> yeah tis easier to understand than to explain.
[13:52:35] <TheMightyLaptop> introtext will always try to steer you wrong right now
[13:52:42] <Bytram> or "If you really want to understand something, try explaining it to someone else."
[13:52:44] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:53:11] <TheMightyLaptop> i really dunno about on disk vs in memory.
[13:53:39] <Bytram> yeah, doesn't matter, nvm
[13:53:48] <TheMightyLaptop> i doubt we cache those particular db calls to memory
[13:53:57] <TheMightyLaptop> but right, don't matter
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[13:55:49] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: good morning!
[13:55:51] <Bytram> =)
[13:55:56] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:55:56] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1040
[13:55:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> wiseass
[13:56:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:56:01] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1041
[13:56:12] <Bytram> ugh. 1040 reminds me of taxes
[13:56:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> i really don't care for those. i need to write the IRS and tell them to take me off their mailing list due to lack of interest.
[13:57:53] <Bytram> LOL!
[13:58:09] <Bytram> might work out to some free meals and housing!
[13:58:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> even better
[13:58:58] <Bytram> not much choice on roommates, tho.
[13:59:13] <Bytram> and, meals might be overstating things just a bit.
[13:59:22] <Bytram> other than that, not so bad, eh?
[13:59:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can't make a slave of a man who believes himself free.
[13:59:44] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:00:13] <Bytram> I've met people who were on the streets in the winter and willlingly broken a store window so they'd get arrested so they could get in out of the cold and get something to eat.
[14:00:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> yurp
[14:00:37] <Bytram> by comparison, I've got nothing to complain about.
[14:00:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh i've got plenty. users are always a good one.
[14:01:08] <Bytram> well, I just noticed the time and I needs to get me going about my day.
[14:01:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> hippies, democrats, republicans, etc...
[14:01:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, laters
[14:01:29] <Bytram> thanks a bunch for your time and explanation, it makes much more sense as to what is going on.
[14:01:33] <Bytram> LOL!
[14:01:35] <Bytram> ROFL
[14:01:35] <ciri> HEHEHEHE
[14:01:38] <Bytram> afk
[14:31:28] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[14:33:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like Greece is about to become a third-world country, economy-wise. when will people learn that there has NEVER been a socialist nation in history to show long-term economic prosperity?
[14:34:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> capitalism may not be a guarantee of prosperity but socialism absolutely is a guarantee of poverty.
[14:42:39] <chromas> http://www.tarnyko.net
[14:45:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuuuuuck, who gives a shit if it's ported to freebsd? what a waste of coding time.
[14:45:23] <chromas> I think it was someone else doing that part
[14:45:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> sfw? still entirely wasted lines of code.
[14:46:26] <chromas> don't compile that part
[14:47:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> point is someone wasted time that could have been spent making it actually a viable replacement instead of a half-assed system that still leaves you with a lot of issues.
[14:49:04] * chromas pokes bot
[14:49:36] <chromas> it ignores that link because of this regex ([^\s]+(\.(?i)(aac|ac3|avi|flv|fli|mng|mp2|mp3|mp4|mpe|mpe?g)))
[14:49:45] <chromas> I don't see the match though
[14:52:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> me either and i read regxs pretty well
[14:53:04] <chromas> I tested in regex101.com and it don't match. must be this regex unit. fpos
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[15:07:05] <chromas> building uselessd from aur to see how easy it is to switch
[15:07:19] <chromas> of course, it'd be better to switch to epoch :D
[15:08:34] <LancePodstrong> what distro? aur is arch?
[15:09:06] <chromas> yeah
[15:09:43] <chromas> uselessd's been idle for a bit while a different guy got familiar with the code. he's just announced taking over it
[15:10:10] <chromas> I think it mostly works. It doesn't have timer units and a bunch of other stuff is removed
[15:11:27] <Teckla> Whoever changed Soylent News to send emails with https links instead of http links, thank you!
[15:14:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> welcome
[15:15:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> one of these days we i may get around to fixing email notification of replies to your comments as well.
[15:16:14] <LancePodstrong> linux is in a strange state of flux these days
[15:17:00] <chromas> it's different from before?
[15:17:22] <chromas> hipsters-- # taking over
[15:17:22] <Bender> karma - hipsters: -12
[15:17:22] <LancePodstrong> same thing only different
[15:17:43] <LancePodstrong> it's always been changing but now the d irection is moving
[15:17:52] <chromas> oh hey, kickass
[15:17:58] <chromas> epoch is also in the aur now
[15:18:01] <Teckla> TheMightyBuzzard: That would be awesome :)
[15:19:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> likely be a while. we have an issues list a mile long.
[15:19:59] <chromas> what's the issue with emails? They don't get sent?
[15:20:37] <chromas> I only get the daily email but it always comes regularly
[15:20:41] <chromas> ciri: just like your mom
[15:21:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, it's a daily thing? huh. I thought it was per individual comment.
[15:22:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> can tell how much time i've spent with message delivery code
[15:22:29] <chromas> I think it's separate. There's one that's a summary of the stories or something
[15:22:45] <chromas> yeah, "Daily Newsletter"
[15:22:53] <Teckla> The summary emails work great. That's mostly how I read/follow Soylent News stories.
[15:23:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> wacky.
[15:23:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> whatever blows your skirt up though i guess.
[15:24:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> unicode coming through okay in the daily emails?
[15:25:27] <chromas> I, for one, don't see any so far
[15:26:10] <chromas> I think I saw some unicode quotes that looked alright
[15:26:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> emdashes would be about it i think
[15:26:43] <Teckla> Currently, the only non-ASCII character I see is a Euro symbol, which looks fine.
[15:26:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> good nuff for me
[15:34:16] * TheMightyBuzzard shakes his head at Subsentient and his wacky mods
[15:36:57] <Teckla> Oops, I do see a little buggie-boo in the latest summary email: "Global Warming Causes Volcanoes &mdash; or Vice Versa"
[15:37:41] <chromas> oh yeah. I see it too; looks like the email is plaintext though
[15:37:42] <Teckla> Pretty harmless though
[15:37:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, that's likely an editor mistake. we're sposed to be using the actual characters instead of named entities.
[15:37:59] <Teckla> Does plain text imply ASCII only?
[15:38:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp, not for us.
[15:38:22] <chromas> It implies html entities like &mdash; won't be resolved
[15:38:32] * Teckla nods
[15:38:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think we resolve numeric ones but not named. wouldn't swear to it though.
[15:38:54] <chromas> slash could do a conversion for plaintext emails, but that's extra work
[15:39:32] <chromas> ah, then the correct fix would be to first convert the named ones to numeric…
[15:40:16] <Teckla> Pretty harmless so probably low priority
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[15:47:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, honestly that's an easy fix. the subs are already written, just need to be put inline.
[15:48:08] <chromas> Yeah but the dev is on vacation
[15:48:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'true
[15:48:25] <chromas> plus it's less silly
[15:48:42] <chromas> than having it convert one entity to another before converting it to its symbol
[15:48:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus we're just at the beginning of the dev cycle. wouldn't get released for another month n three quarters anyway.
[15:52:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> should leave me a month or so to work on things. no telling how much i can get done in that time but i spect i can sqoosh a bug or three.
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[15:58:20] <chromas> enough time to port to php!
[16:11:03] <chromas> there's some dependency issues so I gave up and tried epoch, which built from source and installed in about 5 seconds
[16:11:38] <chromas> Subsentient++
[16:11:38] <Bender> karma - subsentient: 25
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[16:32:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> man it is a slooooow news day
[16:41:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> there, got a sub in. think i'll have a nap now.
[16:41:17] <LancePodstrong> it's that time of year
[16:41:33] <LancePodstrong> february is the slowest month of the year
[16:41:43] <LancePodstrong> for most everything, round these parts
[16:41:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> and sunday ain't known for its rapid news pace either.
[17:41:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> nap? why, yes, i do believe i'll have one.
[17:41:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> naps++
[17:41:31] <Bender> karma - naps: 13
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[18:13:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Light Entertainment: HTC Disses Samsung and Apple - http://sylnt.us - tip-top-hip-hop-flip-flop?
[18:15:14] <chromas> from the samsung disses apple users as unhip in most tv ads
[18:15:17] <chromas> dept
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[18:34:41] <nick> ahoy
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[20:20:40] <SirFinkus> http://i.imgur.com
[20:20:43] <SirFinkus> last night :D
[20:34:20] <crutchy> anyone wanna critique the page layout i been mucking about with for a little project i started yesterday?
[20:34:27] <crutchy> http://news.my.to
[20:34:27] <Hedonismbot> ^✓ 03hi chromas!
[20:34:52] <chromas> =del .titles.cache/http://news.my.to/
[20:34:53] <Hedonismbot> k
[20:34:58] <chromas> http://news.my.to
[20:34:59] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03news.my.to
[20:35:20] <chromas> hey cool
[20:35:31] <chromas> except for the monospace :)
[20:35:48] <crutchy> i like monospace :D
[20:35:55] <crutchy> mwahahahaha
[20:36:32] <crutchy> i guess i could compromise and make tfs sans
[20:36:58] <Subsentient> I also like monospace.
[20:37:05] <chromas> how about an ultra nerd site, where there's only an api
[20:37:16] <chromas> weirdos
[20:37:21] <crutchy> api is definitely a high priority
[20:37:39] <chromas> squeezin' those fat Ws into a size 1
[20:37:55] <chromas> it does look nice though, crutchy
[20:38:32] <chromas> Subsentient: I noticed epoch in the arch user repo so I installed it on a laptop
[20:38:43] <chromas> Took about 5 seconds to build and install
[20:39:32] <chromas> It doesn't start udev or something though, so I need to figure that out. Maybe install udev. I didn't remove systemd so its udev should still be there
[20:40:40] <crutchy> going to use nick, email and ip to identify, except that if people allow cookies the nick will be autofilled
[20:41:13] <chromas> "Paste your pubic key"
[20:41:28] <crutchy> if someone changes ip if they wanna reuse nick then they gunna have to confirm by email. hopefully won't happen very often but means i don't have to worry about password bs
[20:41:58] <crutchy> got a little templating thing going too
[20:42:02] <LancePodstrong> i like monospace
[20:42:06] <LancePodstrong> easy to read cuz i'm used to it
[20:42:35] <crutchy> me too. i just need to throw in some curly braces and it would feel homely :p
[20:43:02] <LancePodstrong> but i'd be worried about ips, cuz those change all the time
[20:43:14] <LancePodstrong> esp if user wants to access from coffee shop while travelling etcv
[20:43:24] <LancePodstrong> although guess they could ssh into their static ip machine and tunnel
[20:43:28] <chromas> or the modem reboots
[20:43:30] <LancePodstrong> if its really for nerds
[20:43:35] <LancePodstrong> :P
[20:43:40] <crutchy> i figured they can just use "mynick_coffee_shop" or summin
[20:43:44] <crutchy> kinda like irc
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[20:45:08] <crutchy> or by default if you reuse a nick, until you confirm by email the app will just append a random 4 digit number to the end, so if you don't wanna confirm you don't have to
[20:45:42] <crutchy> or you can just go AC like in slash
[20:46:19] <chromas> but now you have to track email addresses
[20:47:18] <crutchy> that's not so bad. at least if my user db geets cracked open i don't have to worry about people having used their banking password
[20:47:25] <chromas> Maybe it could take a nick and generate a key; they paste in the key like a password and that starts the session. if they lose it, fuck 'em
[20:47:56] <crutchy> that's kinda the idea, except the hash is passed to the app by clicking a link in the confirmation email
[20:47:59] <chromas> true; for americans, use the ssn
[20:48:34] <crutchy> and the hash is a once use only
[20:49:29] <crutchy> my ip address at home doesn't change so i'd only have to confirrm by email maybe once every 10 years
[20:49:41] <crutchy> not sure about my mobile though
[20:50:15] <chromas> it would change every time you connect to wifi at least
[20:51:20] <crutchy> hmm. yeah that would suck
[20:51:31] <chromas> but then you should already have the cookie
[20:51:48] <crutchy> as long as cookies are enabled yeah that won't be a problem
[20:52:16] <crutchy> so if you change your ip like you change undies you would need to enable cookies
[20:52:28] <chromas> use trollauth
[20:52:48] <chromas> To login, create a troll post on slashdot or somehwere with your matching nick
[20:53:22] <crutchy> or i could make it so that you go into irc, identify with nickserv and then the app hooks in via exec to work out if you're identified :D
[20:53:35] <crutchy> nfi how but it sounds cool
[20:54:53] <crutchy> cookies or email confirm it will have to be. at least until i get bruce shneier on my security team to implement passwords
[20:58:33] <LancePodstrong> the 4 digit number thing is a good idea crutchy, maybe be able to authenticate the post later from home ip
[20:59:46] <LancePodstrong> i just got static ip at home, pretty much greatest thing ever
[21:00:14] <crutchy> mine is just the usual adsl2+, but the isp doesn't change the ip address for whatever reason
[21:00:24] <crutchy> kept the same one for years
[21:00:52] <LancePodstrong> that's nice. i had a cable connection once that was almost like that. changed once in the year we had the connection
[21:01:07] <chromas> I remember when cable modems used to have sleep buttons
[21:01:13] <crutchy> i kinda assumed it was normal
[21:01:29] <crutchy> cos they could be used as alarm clocks?
[21:01:48] <chromas> no, but it wasn't really useful
[21:01:51] <LancePodstrong> i never had a modem with a sleep button O_o what for?
[21:01:57] <LancePodstrong> disconnect without unplugging?
[21:01:59] <crutchy> or was that to shut them up when they started making all the racket
[21:02:11] <chromas> I think the idea was to turn it off when you're away because hax0rz
[21:02:19] <crutchy> lol
[21:02:20] <ciri> HEY! don't laugh at me
[21:02:25] <crutchy> ~last hax0rz
[21:02:40] <chromas> motorola
[21:02:55] <chromas> Not sure about now but in one place we had an Ambit modem that ran Linux
[21:03:30] <exec> last privmsg for hax0rz in #soylent not found
[21:03:35] <LancePodstrong> don't they all run some embedded linux these days
[21:03:41] * chromas isn't sure his last sentence really made sense
[21:03:42] <LancePodstrong> or like sincea long time
[21:04:38] <chromas> Need to install systemd
[21:05:28] * chromas keeps refreshing crutchy's page to see if it's changed yet :D
[21:05:53] <crutchy> hehe. tonight i'll get back into it. gotta go to workipoos now :(
[21:05:56] <crutchy> cyas later
[21:06:00] <LancePodstrong> later
[21:06:14] <chromas> bye
[21:08:07] <crutchy> https://github.com
[21:08:20] <crutchy> there's the code for the site so far if you're curious
[21:12:24] <chromas> the proper way to do page templates in php is to make one html page with multiple <?php?> blocks all over the place :)
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[21:13:10] <LancePodstrong> what's the site url itself again? i missed it earlier
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[21:13:33] <LancePodstrong> nevermind i'm retaerded, got it
[21:14:16] <LancePodstrong> i like the look of it. because i'm used to staring at a console all day it's easy to read
[21:15:55] <LancePodstrong> i have to go to a nephew's 4th or 5th birthday party
[21:16:32] <LancePodstrong> i love the nieces and nephews but i have other shit to do, i hope i don't wind up stying forever
[21:16:35] <LancePodstrong> good luck with your project
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[21:18:11] <SirFinkus> my space heater has a binary accumulator http://i.imgur.com
[21:18:48] <chromas> ha!
[21:37:10] <SirFinkus> it works exactly how you'd expect it to, max value of 7 hours
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[23:42:34] <swiss> got an hp stream 7
[23:42:38] <swiss> this shit is actually good
[23:42:50] <swiss> also, surprised at the speed and such on win 8.1
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