#Soylent | Logs for 2015-02-07
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[00:00:06] <crutchy> prolly yeah
[00:00:34] <crutchy> in my defense it was just before work and there was only 2 items in the queue at the time
[00:00:53] <crutchy> ~queue
[00:00:56] <exec> *** SN submission queue: 11 - http://sylnt.us
[00:01:33] <crutchy> if the queue has more than 5 i usually don't submit anything cos my submissions suck (bot or otherwise)
[00:01:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> only takes like 5m tops to do up a sub, ya slacker
[00:02:16] <crutchy> for some yeah
[00:02:24] <crutchy> i'm not a writer
[00:03:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> blah <a href="link">says</a>:<blockquote>a paragraph or two</blockquote>My witty bit of stuff
[00:03:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> formulaic but it works
[00:03:55] <crutchy> i've done about 20-odd manual submissions. only the last few have been with ~submit
[00:04:56] <crutchy> most of my submissions were rejected to begin with so i must be getting a little better at it, but i still suck
[00:05:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> weird
[00:11:00] <crutchy> its amazing how many people confuse libertarians with conservatives
[00:11:33] <crutchy> i guess the tea party is part of the republicans so its prolly understandable
[00:12:24] <crutchy> don't they teach kids american history any more?
[00:13:12] <crutchy> hmm. gunna risk me a while (True) loop :D
[00:14:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> not really. mostly they indoctrinate them into liberal propaganda
[00:15:35] <crutchy> americans should be flocking to libertarianism (if they had a clue what it really was)
[00:16:54] <crutchy> politicians talk about 'turrists' being jealous of american freedum and then go make up laws to further eliminate it :/
[00:18:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> lot of em would be but they're stuck in the two party mindset
[00:20:35] <crutchy> its a real pity. straya prolly not much better, but we weren't founded on that sort of shit. we've never had any rights
[00:22:18] <crutchy> i think the submit script is gradually getting better. eventually i might have to make some tweaks on a per-site basis cos its wya too fucking hard to get any kind of consistent results with generic parsing
[00:23:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> gonner go order up some pizza for me n the no-longer-sick nephew
[00:29:18] <crutchy> sounds like a plan
[00:29:43] <crutchy> i spent all my takeaway money last night on suvlaki
[00:37:38] <crutchy> http://www.liveleak.com
[00:37:39] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03LiveLeak.com - Ukraine: Watch moment RT crew come under SNIPER fire
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[00:56:42] <crutchy> http://www.liveleak.com
[00:56:43] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03LiveLeak.com - How a commercial airliner crosses the Atlantic ocean
[00:56:52] <crutchy> +1 informative
[00:57:02] <crutchy> with nice doco music :p
[01:12:44] <arti> suvlaki
[01:13:10] <arti> crutchy, that looks good.
[01:17:08] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[01:17:09] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Elon Musk on why Hydrogen fuel cell is dumb (2015) - YouTube
[01:17:33] <crutchy> this guy is an engineer apparently. don't know much about him, but i like his stance on open patents
[01:25:16] <JamesNZ> wires--
[01:25:16] <Bender> karma - wires: -1
[01:25:27] <crutchy> hehe. he explains with technical detail why hydrogen fuel cells are stupid. but i think most of the dumb shit journos had no idea what he was talking about
[01:28:22] <crutchy> "if somebody's dumping chemicals in the atmosphere, they should have to pay for it"
[01:29:31] <crutchy> not sure if a carbon tax is the right way to go (i kinda like the emissions trading scheme that seems to be working in california) but there needs to be some sort of environmental factor on a corporate balance sheet
[01:30:45] <BadCoderFinger> I think the only thing that will get past the US congress is a bill that completely offloads the pollution burden onto the people. Not the corporations people.
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[01:33:05] <crutchy> tbh i'm not really sure what the role of government should be in environmental matters. governments are inherently inefficient at managing anything, so if it can somehow to transferred to a free market would work better
[01:33:33] <crutchy> maybe if it stays at state level would be better, if government wants to be involved
[01:33:47] <crutchy> california is probably leading the way
[01:35:26] <BadCoderFinger> crutchy: You're right, they suck at it. However, the corporations don't have the public's interests at heart. The government is supposed to, but they really don't anymore.
[01:36:29] <crutchy> true, but corporations have a weakness not shared by government; a profit motive. if you make it more expensive (somehow) to sell polluting products/services, then it will be in the corporate interest to reduce pollution
[01:36:44] <crutchy> in order to increase profit
[01:37:02] <crutchy> no public interest necessary
[01:37:22] <BadCoderFinger> The only way to make it more expensive is taxes.
[01:37:40] <crutchy> corporations do actually act in the public interest, because if the public didn't like what they have to sell they wouldn't buy and the company would go broke
[01:37:47] <Teckla> The free market seems pretty broken to me, especially combined with globalization. e.g., witness the fake supplements, medications, multivitamins, etc. flowing out of India and China to the U.S., where they recently discovered they are actually made out of all kinds of random crap, and not what's on the label..
[01:37:57] <Teckla> w/o the gov't having discovered that, I wonder if anyone would have..
[01:38:02] <crutchy> Teckla, i agree. government has corrupted it
[01:38:48] <crutchy> big corporations see the government as a more profitable customer than you or me
[01:39:10] <crutchy> but only because the government throws public money around like confetti
[01:39:44] <crutchy> if politicians didn't pander to special interests, there would be no special interests
[01:40:20] <Teckla> crutchy: Who would spend the considerable money necessary to ensure things like supplements, medications, multivitamins, etc. are what they claim to be, if not the gov't?
[01:40:35] <Teckla> Although I agree that the gov't panders to special interests
[01:40:53] <Teckla> Congress is owned lock, stock, and barrel by big business
[01:41:04] <Teckla> Big business writes our laws and legislation, etc.
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[01:41:53] <crutchy> Teckla, i think people are smart enough to figure it out for themselves
[01:42:42] <crutchy> the nanny state would have you think that people are stupid and can't think for themselves and must be cared for by government
[01:42:46] <Teckla> I wonder how they physically could, absent the millions of dollars necessary for lab equipment, and the educated and expensive people necessary to run the tests..
[01:43:05] <Teckla> crutchy: I *do* agree with you, to a point
[01:43:18] <crutchy> what happens if a restaurant sells food that gives people food poisoning?
[01:43:29] <crutchy> they aren't scared of any government punishment
[01:43:41] <crutchy> its their prospective customers that will hurt them the most
[01:43:46] <crutchy> by going elsewhere
[01:43:58] <Teckla> Just today I was talking with a friend about how ridiculous it is that we don't even seem to own our own bodies. The gov't says we're not allowed to put this or that in our body. It's utterly ridiculous.
[01:44:08] <SpallsHurgenson> although the potential lawsuit is probably a worry too :)
[01:44:24] <Teckla> I think a restaurant selling bad food is different because it's much more readily apparent when bad food is being sold and word of mouth gets around fast.
[01:44:38] <crutchy> getting sued is bad, but going out of business due to poor reputation is far worse
[01:44:44] <BadCoderFinger> Also, a restaurant is 40 people or so.
[01:44:59] <BadCoderFinger> A corporation is usually a giant, multi-state entity.
[01:45:20] <SpallsHurgenson> depends on how many people are affected by the poisoning. Sicken enough people and the government will close you down
[01:45:25] <crutchy> if a drug company releases a new drug, its kinda implied that it may not be as reliable as existing proven drugs
[01:45:33] <crutchy> wwe don't need the FDA to tell us that
[01:45:44] <SpallsHurgenson> hell, have a disgusting enough kitchen and they'll shut you down :)
[01:45:58] <SpallsHurgenson> sadly, the kitchen has to be REALLY gross to get to that point
[01:46:34] <crutchy> customers will likely complain and go elsewhere before that point, unless the food is really cheap, in which case customers make a gamble
[01:46:54] <Teckla> crutchy: But who is going to spend the millions necessary, have the expensive lab equipment necessary, be staffed by the appropriate staff, to notice when India starts selling us medications cut with rice power and/or supplements cut with ground up house plants?
[01:47:08] <SpallsHurgenson> at which point its nice to have a health agency to cut them off :)
[01:47:09] <crutchy> but it should be the customers choice... be a cheapskate and risk getting sick, or go spend a bit more and stay healthy
[01:47:34] <crutchy> Teckla, the FDA doesn't either
[01:47:46] <crutchy> the FDA can't protect you in that situation
[01:47:56] <crutchy> how would they know?
[01:48:01] <Teckla> crutchy: They discovered the recent rice power and ground up house plants being sold as medications and supplements just recently (the FDA that is)
[01:48:21] <Teckla> (Stuff from India)
[01:48:35] <Teckla> (Why anyone would buy anything you ingest that was made in China or India is beyond me)
[01:48:38] <crutchy> how did they find out?
[01:48:38] <ciri> how how brown cow
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[01:48:47] <Teckla> crutchy: Hmmm, let me see if I can find the article
[01:49:00] <crutchy> it was probably from complaints made by their customers
[01:49:45] <Teckla> crutchy: http://wellbeingwire.meyouhealth.com (I just found this quickly, can't guarantee it's any good)
[01:49:46] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Well-Being Wire by MeYou Health | Are Dietary Supplements a Massive Fraud?
[01:50:18] <Teckla> crutchy: This one may be better: http://inhabitat.com
[01:50:18] <crutchy> one aspect that makes it a bit tricky with drugs in particular is that because the government subsidizes some drugs then if there is a problem with those drugs the customers will whinge to the government because the gov has artificially made competitive drugs more expensive
[01:50:18] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03FDA finds majority of herbal supplements at GNC, Walmart, Walgreens, and Target don?t contain what they claim ? instead cheap fillers like wheat and soy powder FDA finds herbal supplements at four major retailers contain asparagus, houseplants, and no herbs – Inhabitat - Sustainable Design Innovation, Eco Architecture, Green Building
[01:50:25] <arti> maybe the logic behind the whole body ownership is that if you owned your own body you could sell it.
[01:50:37] <arti> (slavery)
[01:50:46] <arti> i realize there are other ways to do that, just a thought.
[01:50:50] <crutchy> i guess that's what prostitution is all about
[01:50:57] <crutchy> oldest profession
[01:51:05] <arti> so called
[01:51:14] <arti> i think hunter might be up there
[01:51:17] <crutchy> true
[01:51:20] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[01:51:26] <crutchy> hunter is more of a trade though
[01:51:27] <arti> hey man, how was the action packed day?
[01:52:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh fun fun fun. nephew's fever broke at like 9am so we sat around watching kim possible most the day.
[01:52:14] <crutchy> Teckla, interesting article. not really sure how the FDA found out though
[01:52:31] <arti> that's awesome, fevers suck but i'll take those over my nose being stuffy
[01:52:57] <crutchy> usually concerns about drugs are first raised by people taking them
[01:53:09] <crutchy> otherwise the FDA has no suspicion
[01:54:04] <arti> all the more reason to work with companies who do certify their products with outside agencies.
[01:54:10] <crutchy> i guess that's similar to the risk with restaurants. if you buy your suppliments from walmart instead of specialist outlets, then you save money but assume risk
[01:54:36] <arti> restaurants, straight from the truck into your gut :D
[01:54:42] <crutchy> hehe
[01:54:51] <crutchy> only if covered in curry
[01:54:54] * arti likes mom and pop places
[01:55:03] <crutchy> pubs here are really nice
[01:55:13] <crutchy> beer and food
[01:55:17] <arti> i'd hope so, gotta keep up the aussie image :P
[01:55:22] <arti> oi oi oi
[01:55:26] <arti> o/
[01:55:32] <crutchy> you guys just missing out :p
[01:55:34] <arti> o> o/
[01:55:51] <Teckla> crutchy: Anyway, I do largely agree with you, though our lines in the sand are in slightly different locations ;)
[01:56:03] <arti> you'd have to have long arms then
[01:56:26] <crutchy> Teckla, prolly yeah. its hard nut to crack, but i think people are generally pretty switched on if they aren't brainwashed into thinking they're stupid
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[01:57:23] <SirFinkus> you can always tell when beer is real
[01:57:34] <SirFinkus> therefore, it is the best vitamin
[01:57:40] <SpallsHurgenson> it has "Zima" written on the bottle? :)
[01:57:54] <arti> AAAAHHHHH Zima
[01:58:04] <arti> ridiculous i still remember that
[01:58:05] <crutchy> never seen zima here
[01:58:06] <SirFinkus> holy shit, do they still make that?
[01:58:08] <SpallsHurgenson> ah, I love that sound :)
[01:58:10] <Teckla> crutchy: Yep, I agree. Right now I am annoyed with the gov't for making various drugs illegal. So *I* get punished because some people might abuse them. Sheesh.
[01:58:31] <SirFinkus> oh, apparently only in Japan now
[01:58:53] <arti> sounds like a good market for it
[01:59:24] <crutchy> if gov stayed out of the way drugs would be cheaper i think. same with education. when go gets involved generally it confuses market signals and shit gets messed up
[01:59:59] <SpallsHurgenson> Zima is an excellent accompaniant for the traditional Japenese dish of steamed whale blubber and slightly soiled ladies panties
[02:00:09] <SirFinkus> cheaper, but I wouldn't trust them
[02:00:32] <SirFinkus> it's so easy to dick people around with drugs, and very little way to verify without lab equipment
[02:00:34] <crutchy> most people don't trust them now
[02:00:46] <SirFinkus> a vocal minority don't
[02:01:16] <crutchy> if you feel the need for government surveillance of them, that kinda implies you don't trust them
[02:01:33] <SirFinkus> trust, but verify
[02:01:45] <SirFinkus> as a counter example, look at the illegal drug market
[02:02:09] <crutchy> the illegal drug market is heavily corrupted by government influence
[02:02:11] <SirFinkus> anything more complex than weed and you get adulterated products, or products that aren't what the dealer is claiming they are
[02:02:41] <SirFinkus> to an extent, yes
[02:02:47] <SpallsHurgenson> wait, are you saying Rufus is adulterating my crack? That bastard, where's my shiv?
[02:02:47] <crutchy> if weed was allowed to be sold in the open, reputable dealers would emerge
[02:03:02] <SirFinkus> weed is easy though
[02:03:04] <SirFinkus> it's a plant
[02:03:18] <crutchy> if something is illegal, its implied that anyone dealing in it is a crook
[02:03:18] <SirFinkus> you can look at a bud and say "that's weed" with no special skills
[02:03:43] <SpallsHurgenson> I can't... I'd probably end up buying dandelions :)
[02:03:54] <SirFinkus> cocaine? heroine? lsd?
[02:04:06] <crutchy> smoking dandelions might be awesome
[02:04:11] <SirFinkus> you need a chemistry set to even determine if they're the desired substance
[02:04:22] <crutchy> no different to any market
[02:04:31] <crutchy> go buy a camera in the middle east
[02:04:35] <SirFinkus> and that's not getting into things like the dosage
[02:04:41] <crutchy> you can't even be sure its a real camera
[02:04:57] <SirFinkus> you get ripped off on a camera, you get some shitty pictures and you're out a few bucks
[02:04:59] <arti> sirfinkus, even weed. had my eyes opened talking to a guy who does testing
[02:05:08] <Teckla> Weed will probably be legal within the next 20 years. Since none of the chicken little sky-is-falling stuff is happening that the anti-weed people claimed would happen. Colorado and such are seeing a drop in hard drug usage etc. as well. People are finally waking up to the fact that it's actually less harmful than alcohol.
[02:05:09] <SirFinkus> you get ripped off with a drug, you die
[02:05:26] <crutchy> if you thought the risk of getting dodgy substance was high enough, you wouldn't buy it from that dealer
[02:05:34] <SirFinkus> so it's a false equivalency
[02:05:37] <arti> mold, things not being flushed (lots of crap in the nutrients)
[02:05:51] <crutchy> people work out who is reputable from... reputation
[02:06:00] <SirFinkus> I'd believe that arti, all solved with regulation
[02:06:32] <arti> people are curious
[02:06:39] <crutchy> regulation rarely solves the intended problem, and even if it appears to it usually results in other problems
[02:06:52] <arti> give you an example, would you eat at a restaurant that had animals in the kitchen?
[02:06:57] <crutchy> unintended consequences
[02:07:05] <SpallsHurgenson> are the animals live lobsters?
[02:07:06] <arti> it's totally cool at home though.
[02:07:14] <arti> imagine a cat on a counter
[02:07:38] <crutchy> a lot of people will only eat at a restaurant where you can see in the kitchen
[02:07:40] <SirFinkus> well, if you legalized everything, but didn't regulate it, you'd still have similar problems with the product being cut or adulterated
[02:08:00] * SpallsHurgenson has a sudden craving for lobster
[02:08:07] <arti> "you call this meatloaf?"
[02:08:08] <crutchy> that's one way mcdonalds helped dispel the myth that it was making dodgy food... open up the kitchen
[02:08:19] <SirFinkus> it'd be very difficult to be an informed buyer
[02:08:26] <arti> they microwave everything, it's made elsewhere.
[02:08:36] <Teckla> crutchy: Well just curious, how far would you go? Completely and utterly abolish the FDA? 100%? No oversight at all? 100% buyer beware? Etc.?
[02:08:43] <crutchy> yeah why not
[02:08:51] <Teckla> crutchy: Just wondering :)
[02:08:52] <arti> this is why we need the matrix
[02:09:01] <arti> we could spin up alternate realities and then see the results
[02:09:10] <crutchy> it would just make me more cautious, which wouldn't bee a bad thing
[02:09:10] <arti> sorta like a google fight, but better.
[02:09:17] <SpallsHurgenson> is that what the discussion is about? abolish the FDA? <snort>
[02:09:22] <arti> crutchy, it would turn the world into minecraft.
[02:09:29] <JamesNZ> !fight FDA vs crutchy
[02:09:30] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: FDA beats crutchy by 254,000,000 to 28,300!
[02:09:33] <SirFinkus> because I can't google every time I want to buy a head of lettuce to see if they grow it in human feces?
[02:09:35] <crutchy> nah. how did the world work before the FDA?
[02:09:37] <JamesNZ> Ooooo.
[02:09:44] <SirFinkus> people got sick
[02:09:51] <SpallsHurgenson> reminds me of the sort of attitude people have about vaccinations - they've lived with it for so long that they've taken its safety net for granted
[02:09:51] <crutchy> holy crap! 28,300!
[02:10:01] <arti> totally
[02:10:05] <crutchy> people still get sick
[02:10:07] <JamesNZ> To be fair, the FDA probably have better funding :)
[02:10:10] <arti> it's shameful that so many people don't vaccinate.
[02:10:19] <arti> OH relevant southpark time
[02:10:19] <crutchy> probably moreso cos they have blind faith in an agency that can't help them
[02:10:25] <SirFinkus> regulations are especially important when our food supplies are so centralized
[02:10:41] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[02:10:42] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Make Your Dick Fly Off? - "Gluten Free Ebola" Preview - YouTube
[02:11:07] <SirFinkus> since disease can spread so quickly
[02:11:15] <crutchy> people just blindly buy anything cos they think the FDA will protect them. they don't bother to wisen up about the consumer choices they make and take some personal responsibility
[02:11:20] <arti> HPV + PARIS HILTON
[02:11:35] <crutchy> so they get sick when the FDA lets them down
[02:11:41] <arti> crutchy, personal responsibility isn't cool.
[02:11:45] <SpallsHurgenson> people will buy blindly if there isn't an FDA. that's why snake oil conmen were so successful back in the day :)
[02:11:45] <arti> quit being such a dick about it.
[02:12:00] <crutchy> SpallsHurgenson, only if they are cheapskates and don't care
[02:12:07] <arti> it's almost like you have expectations
[02:12:14] <SirFinkus> it's better than getting sick because I didn't intimately know the entire supply chain of the hamburger I'm buying
[02:12:25] <SpallsHurgenson> and when people started wising up about it, the conmen just moved to the next town and nobody was the wiser because there was no way to regulate and monitor them :)
[02:12:26] <SirFinkus> it's virtually impossible to do at a consumer level
[02:12:27] <crutchy> you don't know shit about the supply chain
[02:12:34] <SirFinkus> exactly
[02:12:42] <arti> i know that the more its processed the better it is!!!
[02:12:49] <arti> :D
[02:12:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - An Alloy of Iron and Aluminium is as Good as Titanium, at a Tenth of the Cost - http://sylnt.us - after-ironman-comes-alloyman
[02:13:02] <SirFinkus> but I do know that there are regulations that the producers have to follow to ensure the beef is sanitary
[02:13:05] <crutchy> if you're that worried about the food you're eating you may as well kill and cook it yourself
[02:13:10] <SirFinkus> and what it says it is on the package
[02:13:16] <Teckla> crutchy: Well, at least the FDA is super duper cheap
[02:13:23] <arti> if you're in socal i know some good butchers (and farmers)
[02:13:31] <Teckla> crutchy: So even if the money is wasted, at least it's not much
[02:13:36] <arti> gotta fork over the $$$ though.
[02:13:51] <Teckla> crutchy: At about $8 per person per year
[02:14:19] <crutchy> Teckla, i guess. if its a small agency that just does investigative work and rats out on shoddy stuff then its better than some monstrosity like the DEA
[02:14:45] <arti> maybe we can make them more hip by putting an I infront of the name
[02:14:47] <arti> IDEA.
[02:14:52] <Teckla> crutchy: Small consolation, I know... but at least it reminds us to target the big ticket items with a much higher priority
[02:14:53] <crutchy> iDEA
[02:14:58] <crutchy> by Apple :p
[02:15:02] <arti> they're the apple compliance wing.
[02:15:07] <Teckla> crutchy: Yeah, the DEA is ridiculous :(
[02:15:11] <arti> indeed.
[02:15:13] <SirFinkus> well, the DEA is a different matter
[02:15:16] <arti> what about the ATF?
[02:15:23] <SirFinkus> sounds like a party arti
[02:15:24] <Teckla> The DEA keeps criminal organizations powerful and violent
[02:15:36] <arti> btw that feeling you're getting right now, it's carnivore homing in on this convo
[02:15:44] <SirFinkus> I bet
[02:15:48] <Teckla> God forbid junkies could get their drugs at the corner Walgreens
[02:15:53] <arti> they do!
[02:15:59] <SirFinkus> they do lol
[02:16:01] <arti> and then it becomes too expensive, they turn to heroin
[02:16:03] <crutchy> out the back :p
[02:16:23] <arti> then it becomes all about "muh purity"
[02:16:40] <Teckla> haha ok point taken about junkies getting drugs at walgreen :D
[02:16:44] <arti> :)
[02:16:47] <SirFinkus> I can't think of a single problem caused by illegal drugs that isn't exacerbated or outright caused by their illegality
[02:17:11] <Teckla> SirFinkus: I agree
[02:17:16] <crutchy> but regulation is gooooood
[02:17:31] <SirFinkus> I don't see the conflict
[02:17:32] <arti> the way to combat addition is education and care.
[02:17:43] <arti> wonder how long it'll take
[02:17:46] <Teckla> crutchy: won't someone please think of the children^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H junkies!
[02:17:47] <SirFinkus> I'd think that education would help people with addition
[02:17:56] <SirFinkus> not combat it
[02:18:05] <Teckla> arti: Probably another generation (around 20 years)
[02:18:21] <Teckla> arti: Because people don't usually change their minds. So it takes new generations to change things.
[02:18:23] <SpallsHurgenson> says somebody who doesn't own stock in the penal institution corporate complex! throw 'em all in jail, I says! :)
[02:18:24] <arti> poor choice of wording on my part.
[02:18:42] <arti> penal institution.
[02:18:52] <arti> maturity++
[02:18:52] <Bender> karma - maturity: 1
[02:18:52] <SirFinkus> hehe "penal"
[02:19:22] <SirFinkus> when I grow up I want to be a *snickers* pianist
[02:20:22] <crutchy> penile institution
[02:20:32] <Teckla> Snickers candy bars can lead to obesity, diabetes, etc. so clearly it should be outlawed!!
[02:20:46] <Teckla> FOR THE GOOD OF SOCIETY
[02:20:47] <SpallsHurgenson> IRC is a puerile institution :)
[02:20:57] <crutchy> where penises are inserted between the tits of prostitutes
[02:21:28] <JamesNZ> crutchy: I believe you're describing a brothel :)
[02:21:48] <SpallsHurgenson> (the problem with having three monitors is that I keep misplacing my mouse cursor)
[02:21:57] <crutchy> i suspected penal institutions were brothels
[02:22:09] <JamesNZ> SpallsHurgenson: Kitty chasing it away? :P
[02:22:12] <crutchy> ~weather
[02:22:14] <exec> 03Melbourne VIC - currently 89°F / 32°C, clear, wind NE at 3 mph, humidity 32% - Saturday chance of showers (71°F-98°F / 22°C-37°C), Sunday clear (58°F-74°F / 14°C-23°C), Monday partly cloudy (57°F-82°F / 14°C-28°C), Tuesday clear (62°F-92°F / 17°C-33°C) - google
[02:22:16] <JamesNZ> ~define penal
[02:22:19] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3penal: For the purpose of punishing and/or containing criminals. (You thought it meant something else, didn't you!) ;)
[02:22:29] <JamesNZ> :D
[02:25:36] <SpallsHurgenson> god, I hope nobody here actually thought it meant something else
[02:25:45] <Teckla> JamesNZ: NZ = New Zealand?
[02:25:58] <JamesNZ> Teckla: Yep.
[02:26:17] <SpallsHurgenson> but we like him anyway :)
[02:26:34] <JamesNZ> <3
[02:26:39] <Teckla> My wife wants to vacation in NZ and go on that Hobbit tour thing, heh
[02:27:19] <JamesNZ> Well, feel free, good for our economy and all that :D
[02:28:03] <SpallsHurgenson> remember, most parties in NZ are BYOS
[02:28:09] <crutchy> nz is ok. the 8th state :P
[02:28:11] * crutchy hides
[02:28:31] * JamesNZ drags crutchy out and plants him in front of Smaug
[02:28:40] * Teckla chuckles
[02:29:01] <crutchy> we're both TFQ subjects anyway
[02:29:23] <JamesNZ> ~define TFQ
[02:29:26] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3TFQ: Thanks for Quoting. Used as a response when someone QFT's you on a forum.
[02:29:37] <crutchy> The Fucking Queen
[02:29:40] <crutchy> :p
[02:29:41] <SpallsHurgenson> The Felicitous Queen :)
[02:29:47] <crutchy> or that
[02:30:01] <JamesNZ> crutchy: Careful now, the GCSB is probably listening :P
[02:30:22] <crutchy> ~define GCSB
[02:30:25] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3gcsb: Abbreviated form of "Good Catholic School Boy."
[02:30:59] <JamesNZ> Wait, no, I mean the British NSA. The acronym slips my mind.
[02:31:05] <SpallsHurgenson> GCSQ?
[02:31:15] <SirFinkus> Mi6?
[02:31:21] <SpallsHurgenson> or was it GCHQ
[02:31:25] <crutchy> i'd rather be hunted by james bond than g.i. joe
[02:31:27] <JamesNZ> Ah, yes.
[02:31:31] <SirFinkus> do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do DO DO do do do
[02:31:33] <SpallsHurgenson> Limey CIA, anyway
[02:31:34] * JamesNZ hands SpallsHurgenson a cookie
[02:31:48] <JamesNZ> (GCSB == NZ's NSA)
[02:31:53] <SpallsHurgenson> ah, "Government Communications Head Quarters")
[02:32:14] <arti> NZ stands for No Zombies.
[02:32:21] <crutchy> i don't even know what straya has. i think we have security by obscure acronyms
[02:32:36] <arti> gotta watch out for the ethnics.
[02:32:38] <JamesNZ> arti: Yep, we proudly accept only living beings :)
[02:32:55] <arti> discrimination!!!!!!111!!
[02:33:11] * arti froths
[02:33:20] * JamesNZ peers loftily at arti
[02:33:37] <crutchy> hmm. i think we have ASIO
[02:34:45] <JamesNZ> They must be quite busy nowadays, what with all the terrorist scares.
[02:35:14] <SpallsHurgenson> ASIO? isn't that the robot dog toy?
[02:35:19] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, wait, that's AIBO
[02:35:26] <crutchy> its prolly much easier for them than the NSA. no pesky bill of rights to worry about
[02:35:41] <arti> CASIO
[02:35:51] <crutchy> australian citizens aren't real people so its ok to spy on them
[02:35:55] <arti> i knew it
[02:36:01] <SirFinkus> because the bill of rights stopped the NSA
[02:36:08] <JamesNZ> So that's where all the zombies went!
[02:36:13] <crutchy> hehe
[02:36:18] <crutchy> braaaaaiiinsss!
[02:36:25] <JamesNZ> :P
[02:36:36] <arti> braaaaziiiiiliaaansssss
[02:36:41] <crutchy> that's why we're so smrt
[02:36:47] <crutchy> cos we eat brains n stuff
[02:36:58] <JamesNZ> Noice.
[02:37:06] <arti> beats rubbing urinary tracts together
[02:37:58] <crutchy> "ASIO officers are exempt from prosecution for a wide range of illegal activities in the course of conducting "operations""
[02:38:20] <crutchy> where do i sign up?
[02:38:21] <ciri> not sure crutchy
[02:39:33] <arti> [ Footage shows an officer removing the 'Do not remove' tag from bedding ]
[02:40:09] <arti> [ Officer uses bittorrent ]
[02:40:29] <JamesNZ> [ Officer is human ]
[02:40:54] <arti> are the dogs that are employed by these organizations considered officers?
[02:40:58] <crutchy> (((((we should communicate in scheme instead)))))
[02:41:06] <arti> lisp :D
[02:41:24] <crutchy> [ or ini files are fun too ]
[02:41:26] <arti> that(way(we(can(do it)))
[02:41:27] <JamesNZ> (I (doubt (it(.))))
[02:41:30] <crutchy> hi = arti
[02:41:35] <SpallsHurgenson> 10 Print I disagree
[02:41:43] <arti> let hi = arti;
[02:41:52] <arti> most worthless example evar
[02:41:59] <crutchy> pascal := would; begin be much better; end;
[02:42:12] <JamesNZ> std::string hi = "arti"; std::cout << hi << std::endl;
[02:42:29] <arti> my rust was flawed
[02:42:34] <crutchy> anyone know brainfuck? that could make ffor an interesting conversation
[02:42:42] <arti> let hi = "arti".to_string();
[02:42:48] <JamesNZ> printf{"Hi arti"} ?
[02:42:48] <crutchy> ew js
[02:43:01] <arti> oh i started using Grunt.
[02:43:07] <JamesNZ> Grunt?
[02:43:11] <crutchy> rusty grunt
[02:43:13] <arti> yeah, it's pretty cool.
[02:43:27] <arti> so previously i'd write a deployment controller to do stuff
[02:43:27] <crutchy> grunt while brainfucking
[02:43:29] <SpallsHurgenson> #include <IRCidiocy.h>
[02:43:38] <arti> IRCidiocy would be a fun take on idiocracy
[02:44:18] <arti> deployment for webstuff involves concatinating and minifying (uglifying) JS and CSS
[02:44:48] <crutchy> only acceptable if the Soylent #Soylent redundant department of redundancy approves it with an agreement by the committee of the organization
[02:44:48] <arti> so this time i played around with doing it on the development machine, so grunt lets you automate tasks
[02:44:59] <arti> and it has a sweet watcher ... plugin
[02:45:13] <arti> so anytime any of the asset directory files changes it does its magic
[02:45:32] <JamesNZ> Neato.
[02:45:33] <crutchy> i was looking into the watch command in bash last night. pretty cool
[02:45:38] <arti> sorta like a macro framework.
[02:45:54] <arti> it's super handy, i had a zen moment with it.
[02:46:19] <arti> i typically shun workflow stuff because i have to set it up and then keep up with it and there are always edge cases
[02:46:44] <arti> this runs on node
[02:46:59] <arti> anyway, this was awesome. i'm a little late to the party.
[02:51:56] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[02:51:56] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03BAHFest West 2014 - Matt Inman: Jibbers Crabst - YouTube
[03:14:28] <crutchy> http://www.thomaswictor.com
[03:14:56] <crutchy> "He was shot in the head after he mimed being burned alive."
[03:15:44] <crutchy> must admit after watching the video on fox news website i thought the way he was still standing and walking after being lit on fire looked off
[03:15:45] <SpallsHurgenson> yay?
[03:16:17] <crutchy> and grabbing the side of the head didn't look right
[03:16:38] <crutchy> most people try to protect their face
[03:17:14] <crutchy> wouldn't be surprised if it was a bit of propaganda
[03:17:34] <crutchy> i guess isis has lots of examples to learn from
[03:19:17] <crutchy> "It’s important to debunk this propaganda, because the terrorists use it to recruit and to instill fear."
[03:19:31] <crutchy> just like western propaganda
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[03:38:05] <SoyCow2137> aereah
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[03:38:49] <crutchy> oky doky
[03:45:45] <SpallsHurgenson> I see not-dead people
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[03:53:35] <SpallsHurgenson> look, there's one now!
[03:53:49] <SpallsHurgenson> (spooooky!)
[03:54:25] <crutchy> we should all be soycows
[03:54:38] crutchy is now known as SoyCow1
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[03:54:53] <SoyCow1> yay i got a decent scid :D
[03:54:55] <SpallsHurgenson> speak for yourself; I am neither cow nor legume
[03:55:19] JamesNZ is now known as SoyCow0
[03:55:32] <SoyCow1> that's nothing :p
[03:55:44] <SoyCow0> I'm first! :P
[03:55:49] <SoyCow1> first cow!
[03:55:52] <SoyCow0> Actually, seeing as I'm a kiwi...
[03:55:58] <LancePodstrong> moooo
[03:55:58] SoyCow0 is now known as SoySheep
[03:56:06] <LancePodstrong> i live among the cows
[03:56:15] <LancePodstrong> sometimes my neighbors cows get loose and wander into our yard
[03:56:17] <SoyCow1> yeah i get your smelly morning farts wafting through the timeline
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[03:56:50] <SoyCow1> its cow country here too. around all the big fkin holes in the ground anyway
[03:57:07] <SoyCow1> they relocated a highway just to make one of the holes bigger
[03:57:39] <SoyCow1> and a river
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[04:01:39] <stale-phaart> sup fockers
[04:02:02] <SoyCow1> aye focker!
[04:02:16] <stale-phaart> this shit dont look that bad on mobile.
[04:02:34] <stale-phaart> was wrong crutchy?
[04:02:45] <SoyCow1> not much dude
[04:02:50] <SoyCow1> pretty warm here today
[04:03:07] <SoyCow1> ~weather crutchy
[04:03:07] * SirFinkus is listening to Earth — Land of Some Other Order, from the album HEX; or Printing In the Infernal Method
[04:03:08] <exec> 03Melbourne VIC - currently 93°F / 34°C, clear, wind E at 3 mph, humidity 29% - Saturday partly cloudy (71°F-97°F / 22°C-36°C), Sunday clear (58°F-74°F / 14°C-23°C), Monday partly cloudy (57°F-83°F / 14°C-28°C), Tuesday clear (63°F-92°F / 17°C-33°C) - google
[04:03:09] <SirFinkus> so fucking massive
[04:03:16] <stale-phaart> nice.
[04:03:18] <LancePodstrong> ~weather minneapolis
[04:03:19] <exec> 03Minneapolis, MN, USA - currently 28°F / -2°C, clear, wind N at 0 mph, humidity 53% - Friday partly cloudy (19°F-32°F / -7°C-0°C), Saturday fog (18°F-39°F / -8°C-4°C), Sunday mostly cloudy (14°F-34°F / -10°C-1°C), Monday chance of ice (19°F-28°F / -7°C--2°C) - google
[04:03:35] <SoyCow1> ow brrr. i'll keep my 34 deg thanks
[04:03:46] <LancePodstrong> :(
[04:03:48] SoyCow1 is now known as crutchy
[04:04:08] <stale-phaart> whata up with that username? you get banned? aw shit man, you fooled me!
[04:04:13] <crutchy> need a way to pipe a few degrees maybe
[04:04:23] <LancePodstrong> i'll gladly trade
[04:04:29] <LancePodstrong> send 5 or 10c over here
[04:04:34] <crutchy> i wanted a low SoyCowID :p
[04:04:41] <SpallsHurgenson> isn't Minnesota supposed to be colder than anywhere else? Why is it 23F here? I demand a recount!
[04:04:56] <crutchy> if only there were some tubes connecting all our countries together...
[04:04:57] <LancePodstrong> only on average but not all the time
[04:05:58] <stale-phaart> some troll submitted a pro police brutality
[04:06:12] <crutchy> noice
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[04:06:36] <crutchy> might get the revolution going faster anyway
[04:07:30] <crutchy> lot of people slow to wake up to their loss of liberty
[04:07:55] * juggs peeps in
[04:08:09] <juggs> too much scroll back to catch up on
[04:08:13] <juggs> I trust all is well
[04:08:32] <crutchy> weekend slowdown
[04:08:38] <crutchy> ~g'day juggs
[04:08:39] * exec spontaneously cracks open a toilet bowl of $insert_beverage_here for juggs
[04:08:46] <crutchy> yummy
[04:08:52] <juggs> Seems someone wanted a password recovery :/
[04:09:38] <crutchy> yup. apparently they didn't agree with my idea of keeping passwords in a text file :p
[04:09:56] <juggs> If that comes up again ask them to do a /ns help sendpass
[04:10:09] <crutchy> that's what chromas said
[04:10:33] <juggs> :D chromas for staff!
[04:10:42] <crutchy> ~vote 1 chromas
[04:11:15] <juggs> heh - we don't press gang here, mugs only :D
[04:11:30] <crutchy> are we a fascist dictatorship yet? if we are you can requisition his services :p
[04:11:43] <crutchy> oh bugger
[04:12:46] <crutchy> apparently i'm performing the roll of channel troll well
[04:12:51] <crutchy> arti has evidence\
[04:13:10] <crutchy> http://antiartificial.com
[04:13:10] <Hedonismbot> ^✓ 03#Soylent stats: 31.1.2015!
[04:13:59] <crutchy> even my dumbot is climbing the ranks
[04:14:15] <crutchy> =cache clear
[04:14:19] <crutchy> derp
[04:14:26] <juggs> If TheMightyBuzzard had his way we would be a fascist or anarchist libertarian enclave - probably with him as dictator. :D I find it hard discussing this stuff as definitions of these words do not seem to be consistent trans-atlantic - kinda like talking about colour with a blind person.
[04:14:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Interest Rates Have Gone Negative in Europe - http://sylnt.us - keep-it-under-the-mattress
[04:14:49] <crutchy> libertarian and fascist is sort of an oxymoron
[04:14:52] <SirFinkus> @kobach 374491923 1825 "xle good news is it seems to have worked"
[04:15:09] <juggs> random :/
[04:15:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> the beatings will continue until morale improves
[04:15:52] <juggs> What happened to kobach the pork purveyor?
[04:16:11] <juggs> Ohh sorry YMB - didn't mean to ping you
[04:16:15] <juggs> TMB :D
[04:16:24] <SirFinkus> ye mighty buzzard
[04:16:28] <juggs> Must be friday night
[04:16:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'all good. still have a bit to go before sleep time tonight.
[04:16:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> lot of caffeine this evening
[04:16:55] <crutchy> Chief Bacon Officer
[04:17:02] <crutchy> ~time
[04:17:04] <exec> Saturday, 7 February 2015 @ 3:17 pm GMT+11 - Melbourne VIC
[04:17:30] <crutchy> sadly friday night is a distant memory of tense confusion
[04:17:52] <juggs> sounds dramatic - domestic strife?
[04:18:14] <juggs> I don't imagine crutchy doing domestic strife
[04:18:52] <crutchy> lol nah. we have our issues, but doing well in the circumstances
[04:18:52] <ciri> it's not that funny :)
[04:19:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> everyone does domestic strife. it's part of the deal.
[04:19:35] <juggs> Good sign crutchy, working out is the whole point.
[04:19:44] <crutchy> last night got to sleep on a brand new mattress
[04:19:45] <SirFinkus> 10 goatse.cx 39 ciri 25.4.2014 0:46
[04:19:45] <juggs> working it out*
[04:19:49] <SirFinkus> why am I not shocked?
[04:19:55] <SirFinkus> most popular urls
[04:20:24] <chromas> crutchy: s/a/is/4
[04:20:24] <sedctl> <chromas> <crutchy> last night got to sleep on a brand new misttress
[04:20:45] <crutchy> tmb, i could have sworn "the beatings will continue until morale improves" was on the wiki somewhere. isn't that the soylent dev motto?
[04:21:00] <juggs> Talking off mugs - should I whip up a 1st anniversary tankard special for the SWAG?
[04:21:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar, i set it six months or so ago
[04:21:09] <crutchy> hehe. a new mattress makes it harder to get up to mischief
[04:21:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, prolly should
[04:21:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> "1 year, suck it beta"
[04:21:46] <crutchy> we need an ssh interface for reading soylent news
[04:21:53] <juggs> I'll have to look what svg's I have.
[04:22:08] <crutchy> "ls" will give you an index of front page articles
[04:22:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, build one when the api goes live
[04:22:41] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, followed by "1 year, one month, what ya mean we have to file.... ahh fuck"
[04:22:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> no need for ssh
[04:23:05] <crutchy> but it wouldn't be as nerdy without ssh
[04:23:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, mrcoolbp been around for ya to get that squared away?
[04:23:24] <juggs> nothing back at all from any of the 3
[04:23:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeesh
[04:23:58] <crutchy> omg its dice all over again *crutchy runs around in circles waving his arms in the air*
[04:24:30] <crutchy> figuratively. i don't have that much energy
[04:24:35] <juggs> I'd make an exec decision to engage CPA, but I can't as I have no cheque book to pay said CPA. Nicht gut
[04:24:51] <crutchy> just claim ignorance as an expense :D
[04:24:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, much bad.
[04:25:06] <crutchy> wtf is soylent news? never heard of it
[04:25:26] <juggs> Here... juggs.. just hold this bag.... <sound of people running away>
[04:26:02] <crutchy> as long as your name isn't on the hosting agreement you're peachy
[04:26:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[04:27:07] <crutchy> not sure how the IRS would go prosecuting a british guy
[04:27:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> if we gotta go out though, i like the idea of going out for not paying taxes.
[04:27:24] <crutchy> fuck beta! fuck taxes!
[04:28:14] <crutchy> IRS agents prolly cant even understand a british accent :p
[04:28:51] <SpallsHurgenson> Breaking News Report: US armed forces have surrounded the compound of the terrorist cult of paedophiles in New Hampshire that goes by the name "SoylentNews".
[04:28:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> long as we keep paying the hosting bills i spect we'll be low on the list of people to get audited.
[04:29:10] <crutchy> maybe we need to try set up an irc network of servers to keep it going just in case
[04:29:25] <crutchy> or i guess there's always the #soylentnews freenode channel
[04:30:04] <chromas> Needs fork
[04:30:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> i say we just run the site off crutchy's laptop like exec
[04:30:12] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, we're not in New Hampshire :D
[04:30:23] <chromas> Librenode
[04:30:57] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, you are right, but I'd rather not incur costs for late filing.
[04:31:07] <crutchy> if xlefay were around still we'd prolly have a couple of servers in the network
[04:31:18] <SpallsHurgenson> they'll blow up all of NH, just to be sure :)
[04:31:36] <crutchy> NH is prolly full of aliens. the cookie told me so
[04:31:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, me either. it will be what it will be though. alls we can realistically do is keep trying to get in touch with someone who can sign a check.
[04:32:25] <juggs> chromas, crutchy - yes we should have more than one irc node. I have a test net up here now running mutli-node charybdis so I can get to grips with it.
[04:33:19] <crutchy> i got charybdis going on my server (chromas tested it out for me a while back). my server connection is pretty reliable. not veery fast though
[04:33:52] <crutchy> doesn't seem to like really bad lightning storms
[04:34:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth be known we realistically could run the site off anyone's home server with broadband and a static ip address.
[04:35:07] <SpallsHurgenson> that's a failing of most computers, crutchy
[04:35:41] <crutchy> if i didn't like tinkering with my bot so much it would run a lot more reliably on the server
[04:36:09] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: sounds like an opportunity
[04:36:12] <SpallsHurgenson> I've been trying to acclimatize my PCs to lightning through repeated electrical strikes but so far it isn't working
[04:36:42] <chromas> You could host it and charge soylent less than cloud place
[04:36:51] <crutchy> SpallsHurgenson, maybe tweak the genetic algorithm
[04:37:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, no static ip address here and i'm about to move.
[04:37:27] <crutchy> konomi has a kick arse connection, but she seems to have gone awol too
[04:37:31] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, I'm inclined to engage a CPA in Delaware and just get the filings done - DE as they should be able to handle both fed and state stuff. It's a big cost to eat though. Then it comes down to the guys with cheques to pay the bill. But of course I can;t do that until matt_ and NC resolve their differences on how to represent their holdings.
[04:37:48] <LancePodstrong> what kind of bandwidth does a site like soylent use anyway
[04:38:13] <crutchy> dunno. i bet we could lean it if we had too
[04:38:17] <crutchy> no images, no js
[04:38:22] <crutchy> less css
[04:38:30] SoySheep is now known as JamesNZ
[04:38:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, sure you can. write the debts both off as a loan and let them square it later if they don't like it.
[04:39:20] <crutchy> just don't sign your name anywhere. sign as 'Homer J Simpson'
[04:39:42] <crutchy> sounds more american so the IRS will buy it
[04:39:57] <crutchy> or sign as 'juggs' :D
[04:40:24] <chromas> Yeah, sign as DD
[04:40:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> bandwidth isn't bad. for that matter a whole omnibus server doesn't take up much space in a vm
[04:40:49] <juggs> Slash stats say ~2TB / day LancePodstrong - I'm not sure how much faith I put in Slash stats though. 2TB sounds a lot for 57367 pages served.
[04:40:59] <crutchy> i honestly don't know why we're using a cluster of servers. most we need is two
[04:41:35] <crutchy> one to back up the other
[04:41:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> server bills aren't killing us at the moment. taxes may though.
[04:42:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> well taxes and a cpa
[04:42:45] <crutchy> actually we only really need one, cos a staff dude could ssh as a backup
[04:42:46] <juggs> Tax will be nothing as a lot gets eaten up as "start-up costs".
[04:42:55] <LancePodstrong> qthat seems high, 23 megabytes/second?
[04:43:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i honestly doubt we pass 2GB/day
[04:43:20] <juggs> As I said.. I don't believe the stats
[04:43:22] <LancePodstrong> lol that's 34 megabytes per page
[04:43:23] <ciri> i don't think it's that funny lol
[04:43:39] <LancePodstrong> something's wrong with stats for sure
[04:44:01] <crutchy> wonder how many surf with js disabled
[04:44:11] <LancePodstrong> time for sleeping time
[04:44:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, could find out but don't care
[04:44:17] <juggs> My latest stats email claims 1803.2MB 57367 pages
[04:44:18] <crutchy> i think the pystats or whatever its called uses hs
[04:44:32] <LancePodstrong> that makes more sense
[04:44:44] <LancePodstrong> take care, safe travels through the ether
[04:44:45] <juggs> Did I slip a digit?
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[04:45:01] <crutchy> ~moo
[04:45:02] <exec> (__)
[04:45:02] <exec> (oo)
[04:45:02] <exec> /------\/
[04:45:02] <exec> / | ||
[04:45:02] <exec> * /\---/\
[04:45:02] <exec> ~~ ~~
[04:45:02] <exec> ...."Have you mooed today?"...
[04:46:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, you slipped three digits.
[04:47:15] <crutchy> that sounds like something tama would say
[04:47:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, you're just jealous
[04:48:04] <crutchy> tama says a lot of stuff i'm jealous of :p
[04:48:17] <crutchy> and a lot of wtf
[04:48:54] <juggs> me faq... I skipped GBytes....take me out behind the kennel an bring the shotgun :D
[04:49:23] <crutchy> that also sounds like something tama would say ...bullets optional :p
[04:49:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, even my capped bandwidth can do 250GB/month
[04:50:36] <juggs> crutchy, you can't even keep exec up 24/7 :P
[04:51:06] <crutchy> if it were running on the server in my dining room i could
[04:51:13] <crutchy> i just prefer tinkering on my lappy
[04:51:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> do you neet a little blue pill to help keep it up, crutchy?
[04:51:31] <crutchy> i have websites up most the time
[04:51:33] <crutchy> lol
[04:51:41] <crutchy> i took the red pill
[04:51:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> that explains it
[04:52:09] <juggs> How very British.. you have a Dining Room! Did Professor Plum get caught in there with the lead pipe? :D
[04:52:09] <ciri> very carefully and then some
[04:52:30] <juggs> hint: Cluedo
[04:52:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> red pill, you get to know kung fu. blue pill, you don't care if you know kung fu.
[04:52:41] <crutchy> i dunno. are dining rooms where people normally store a bunch of junk?
[04:53:56] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[04:53:56] <Bender> karma - tea: 392
[04:53:58] <JamesNZ> --coffee
[04:53:58] <Hedonismbot> Karma - coffee: 252
[04:54:01] <crutchy> my dogbox only has a dining room and lounge room as inside living areas. a lot of new houses have 2 dining rooms, 2 living rooms, family room, study, rumpus room, leg room, mushroom etc
[04:54:53] <juggs> Generally yes. For some people they are a room with a dining table and silverware that gets used once a year to "impress" the gathered people, then sits unused for 364 days. Much like the "guest bedroom". ~le sigh~
[04:55:20] <crutchy> my parents place is pretty big, but i didn't want to borrow too much. my monthly repayments are only about a third of my income which is what used to be the norm
[04:55:34] <juggs> sensible move
[04:56:36] <juggs> don't upsize, get some rentals in your portfolio.. that's a pension that keeps on paying :D
[04:57:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth
[04:57:08] <crutchy> when my missus gets her back fixed up might be able to do something. atm we spending a lot on medications
[04:57:43] <crutchy> i'm prolly a bit lazy at managing the finances though too. my only rule is "as long as the bills get paid"
[04:58:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> my only rule is "fuck it, time for a nap"
[04:58:27] <crutchy> which is prolly not very smart when my missus carries the debit card
[04:59:15] <crutchy> i don't do any budgeting
[05:00:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> think it's time to invoke my rule now. gonna take the nephews fishing tomorrow if the sick one is still feeling better.
[05:00:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> nite
[05:03:04] <crutchy> cya mate
[05:05:13] <crutchy> juggs, maybe we could look at migrating SN to pipecode. much simpler codebase in a language more people know
[05:05:25] <crutchy> prolly been suggested before i guess
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[05:05:48] <crutchy> ~time chicago
[05:05:50] <exec> Friday, 6 February 2015 @ 11:05 pm CST - Chicago, IL, USA
[05:10:44] <chromas> pipecode++
[05:10:44] <Bender> karma - pipecode: 5
[05:11:29] <juggs> crutchy, don't be so lazy on the finances front. The sooner you start taking an interest the bigger the benefit. IIUIC, AUS property pricing is doing the same as here.. 10% /year increase. Bank rates are slashed right now, so sink money in bricks n mortar. You take 10% on the bricks and the rent pays the mortgage, maintenance costs get offset against mortgage payments so tax is wiped out pretty much if you play it right. I'm not a fan of massively
[05:11:29] <juggs> increasing housing costs as it is a manipulated market, but there has to come a point where you look toward your retirement and think this is not a mess I created.
[05:11:29] <arti> does it have lots of cool features?
[05:15:34] <juggs> crutchy, chromas is pipecode suitably licensed and feature complete? It may be an option given we need to move our slash base to more a modern platform.
[05:15:48] <juggs> bryan^^
[05:17:43] <chromas> Looks like it's gpl
[05:21:14] <arti> you mean software aids?
[05:24:00] <juggs> Worth a thought. Probably require us to drop all history as I can't imagine an import from soycode to pipecode would be tenable. The moderation system is the core - I'll look at it.
[05:24:49] <juggs> arti, which GPL license has aids? :D
[05:27:45] <chromas> screw the history. here's what you do. Get some investors, sell out
[05:27:55] <chromas> Roll up your sleeves, we may have to fork soylent
[05:28:50] <crutchy> aussie housing market is in a bubble atm
[05:29:13] <crutchy> juggs, pipecode is gpl3
[05:29:28] <crutchy> not sure about "feature complete"
[05:29:54] <juggs> Well selling out would be a fine motivation IF I had a vested interest, which I don't. If Soylent sold out for a bajillion I'd not see any of it.
[05:31:39] <crutchy> i've got a local copy of pipecode. its pretty readable. i'm sure everyone would have their "well i wouldn't do it *that* way arguments" but it could always be refined
[05:31:50] <juggs> Should have asked for share options on being made CEO :D That would make me the only shareholder and therefore king :D DRAT!
[05:32:27] <crutchy> i prefer the "all care no responsibility" approach
[05:32:41] <crutchy> i hang around like a bad smell but i don't want any official position
[05:33:04] <chromas> juggs: arrange a hostile takeover
[05:33:12] <chromas> Bender: grab crutchy
[05:33:12] <Bender> Added quote 374
[05:33:15] <crutchy> we can support you with bots
[05:34:35] <chromas> dice has slashdot. Maybe monster wants soylent
[05:35:05] <crutchy> if we sell out to jp morgan we could have direct access to freshly printed monies :D
[05:36:36] <crutchy> german bank stock prices are gunna go up with this impending explosion of euros
[05:36:56] <chromas> I hope for an explosion of gyros
[05:39:35] <juggs> chromas - we don't want another Barrabas v NC in public airing of laundry. That would be bad form. whois the domain and you may grok the situation.
[05:39:45] <crutchy> i'm pretty sure this thing had some gyros on it
[05:39:46] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[05:39:47] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Crash rocket "Proton-M" with 3 Glonass spacecraft / Аварийный пуск "Протон-М" 02.07.2013 - YouTube
[05:40:15] <crutchy> turn up the volume :D
[05:40:29] <chromas> crutchy: s/t(u)rn/p\1mp/
[05:40:29] <sedctl> <chromas> <crutchy> pump up the volume :D
[05:42:24] <chromas> Yeah, Barabbas earned > $1k in a few weeks
[05:42:30] <chromas> with this one weird trick
[05:48:46] <juggs> that's between Barrabas and matt_, it pre-dates incorporation. matt_ thought it was worth it at the time, so that deal was done to hand over all assets. So be it, that was done, it's past.
[05:51:05] <juggs> Must we live life with our heads on backwards? I don't think so.
[05:59:45] <crutchy> SoylentNews P2P Edition
[06:00:26] <crutchy> distrubute the articles/comments, and people can make/use whatever reader they want
[06:00:48] * crutchy wonders how that could work
[06:01:03] <crutchy> pretty sure i've thought about this before
[06:01:14] <juggs> SoylentNews Juggs Edition - I predict an uptick subs
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[06:02:03] <juggs> welcome Subsentient
[06:02:04] <Subsentient> $seen Subsentient
[06:02:04] <aqu4> I last saw Subsentient at 2015-02-06 07:25:14 UTC in #soylent. Their most recent message is "++"
[06:02:08] <Subsentient> hiyah
[06:02:12] <crutchy> https://soylentnews.org
[06:02:12] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN journal DISTRIBUTED WEB HOSTING CONCEPT 04(9 comments)
[06:02:25] <Subsentient> crutchy: Working on SubStrings.
[06:02:44] <Subsentient> Got lots of nice goodies in there now.
[06:02:44] <crutchy> saw your gh push in the spy channel
[06:03:08] <Subsentient> For example:
[06:03:08] <Subsentient> char Stringy[] = "nurble nurble^ derp nurble ]nurble nurble {derp derp [derp wibble wibble nurble derp nurble wibble. nurble derp";
[06:03:08] <Subsentient>
[06:03:08] <Subsentient> SubStrings.StripC("[]{}.,<>^", Stringy);
[06:03:55] <crutchy> so it deletes all of those characters?
[06:04:04] <Subsentient> yup
[06:04:18] * crutchy has kinda been a bit spoilt with php's string handling
[06:04:33] <crutchy> i write similar functions in delphi though. string handling is fun
[06:04:37] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[06:04:38] <Bender> karma - tea: 393
[06:04:39] <JamesNZ> --coffee
[06:04:40] <Subsentient> crutchy: I love C strings, but I really, really, really hate the C standard library functions for processing them.
[06:05:04] <JamesNZ> --coffee
[06:05:13] <Subsentient> coffee--
[06:05:13] <Bender> karma - tea: 394
[06:05:17] <crutchy> i think a lot of the delphi ones borland wrote in inline asm
[06:05:39] <Subsentient> yeh SubStrings is 100% platform independent.
[06:05:47] <crutchy> cool
[06:05:52] * juggs wafts out of the way of the upside down people doing pascal things
[06:05:58] <Subsentient> Not only that, it can function in 'non-hosted' environments, and it only needs a conforming C89 compiler.
[06:06:25] <Subsentient> So the GRUB people or the Linux kernel itself could use SubStrings. Now that, I think, is cool/
[06:06:31] <crutchy> are they common? most people would have cc i guess
[06:06:50] <crutchy> or gcc
[06:06:58] <Subsentient> crutchy: C89 is pretty much a subset of C99, which is a subset of C11.
[06:07:07] <Subsentient> There are minor differences but they usually don't matter.
[06:07:11] <crutchy> i haven't increased my expertise since i got that little hello world program working
[06:07:33] <crutchy> i'm kinda thinking more about getting into lazarus
[06:07:38] <Subsentient> crutchy: So C89 code will build with a C99 compiler, but C99 code won't build with a C89 compiler.
[06:07:52] <Subsentient> crutchy: So yeah, SubStrings can compile on pretty much every C compiler ever.
[06:08:00] <crutchy> noice
[06:08:14] <Subsentient> It doesn't use library functions at all.
[06:08:20] <Subsentient> Not malloc, not strlen, nothing.
[06:08:34] <Subsentient> even -nostdlib added to compile.
[06:08:50] <crutchy> just do it like they do on the assembly channel
[06:08:56] <crutchy> ol fashioned loops
[06:09:20] <Subsentient> crutchy: SubStrings is mostly loops and SubStrings functions spend a lot of time calling other SubStrings functions. :^P
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[07:47:01] <arti> substrings for prez
[08:15:54] <crutchy> current prez is loopy enough aint he?
[08:16:54] <Subsentient> Ok now this is cool
[08:16:57] <Subsentient> I'm proud of myself
[08:17:03] <Subsentient> http://pastebin.com
[08:17:03] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03[C] SubString's handling of lines. - Pastebin.com
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[08:20:58] <chromas> Neat
[08:21:54] <chromas> Works a little different than I figured
[08:24:25] <crutchy> is substrings a class or summin?
[08:24:49] <crutchy> "SubStrings.Line.GetLine(" looks all objecty
[08:24:58] <Subsentient> crutchy: No, but it uses function pointers to give that illusion.
[08:25:04] <crutchy> ah
[08:25:14] <crutchy> ijust thought maybe structs
[08:25:22] <Subsentient> Yup
[08:25:25] <Subsentient> crutchy: https://github.com
[08:25:26] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03substrings/substrings.h at master · Subsentient/substrings · GitHub
[08:25:27] <crutchy> could do that with pascal records too
[08:25:30] <Subsentient> That should explain it
[08:25:58] <crutchy> so the function pointers are struct members
[08:26:03] <crutchy> noice
[08:26:56] <crutchy> i've used a similar thing to communicate between dll processes in windows programs
[08:27:01] <Subsentient> Yup. Looks cleaner. I'd have just used underscores, but I wanted it to look extra-polished.
[08:28:36] <crutchy> hmm. nope i just used a reglular ol record
[08:28:56] <Subsentient> crutchy: This is how line processing looks without substrings. https://github.com
[08:28:56] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03nexus/config.c at master · Subsentient/nexus · GitHub
[08:29:14] <crutchy> http://paste.my.to
[08:31:43] <Subsentient> crutchy: Hrrrrng I almost puked
[08:31:52] * Subsentient apparently doesn't like pascal
[08:31:57] <crutchy> haha
[08:32:03] <crutchy> i pity you then :p
[08:32:29] <crutchy> the ^ is a dereferencing operator
[08:32:30] <chromas> I think that "Hrrrrng" means something else
[08:32:45] <crutchy> but some of that code deals in untyped pointers
[08:32:55] <Subsentient> crutchy: In C we have void pointers.
[08:33:18] <crutchy> yeah they would be similar i guess
[08:33:26] <crutchy> void == untyped?
[08:33:27] <chromas> crutchy: yours would look prettier if your pastebin had syntax highlighting :D
[08:33:32] <crutchy> lol
[08:33:32] <ciri> hehehe
[08:34:13] <crutchy> the source code driving my little pastebin site: https://github.com
[08:34:13] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03exec-irc-bot/paste.my.to.inc at master · crutchy-/exec-irc-bot · GitHub
[08:34:24] <crutchy> 121 sloc :p
[08:34:26] <Subsentient> crutchy: void pointers can be assigned to and from any object type without casting, but not function pointers. you aren't allowed to have generic function pointers.
[08:34:44] <crutchy> oh
[08:35:22] <crutchy> pascal requires casting. cos its a strong typed language
[08:35:48] <crutchy> only polymorphic objects don't
[08:36:03] <Subsentient> crutchy: With C, it's on more of a common sense rule.
[08:36:14] <Subsentient> It makes things easier in general.
[08:36:22] <crutchy> objects are treated as 'by reference' in the language
[08:36:27] <Subsentient> I like C for that reason. It's got well defined types, but it's not hard to mix them if you really want to.
[08:36:45] <crutchy> one thing i don't like about php
[08:36:50] <crutchy> lack of static typing'
[08:37:08] <Subsentient> yeh python's dynamic typing irritates the living crap out of me.
[08:37:25] <crutchy> "hmm here's a variable $i ... now you gotta use a bunch of lib functions just to tell wtf type it is"
[08:37:32] <chromas> You just gotta use common sense :D
[08:38:00] <crutchy> php is more of a quick n dirty language
[08:38:10] <crutchy> pascal is much more refined :D
[08:38:29] <crutchy> i do like C too though
[08:47:20] <Subsentient> crutchy: I like C because it's crusty and rusty and lets me do whatever I want without talking back.
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[08:48:12] <chromas> Sounds like php
[08:48:21] <chromas> <:D
[08:48:52] <Subsentient> chromas: Difference is, we have pointers, and our standard library is even worse.
[08:49:02] <Subsentient> Well, for strings it is.
[08:49:14] <chromas> Subsentient: you could create your own string type :)
[08:49:27] <crutchy> delphi fills up the messages window with warnings whenever you use untyped pointers
[08:50:00] <Subsentient> chromas: That's precisely what I didn't want to do with SubStrings. Everyone is creating their own string type for C or C++, and I like C strings, I just abhore the functions that process them.
[08:50:25] <crutchy> c strings are basically a cchar pointer, no?
[08:50:26] <chromas> ansistrings++
[08:50:26] <Bender> karma - ansistrings: 2
[08:50:34] <crutchy> s/cc/c/
[08:50:34] <sedctl> <crutchy> c strings are basically a char pointer, no?
[08:50:48] <crutchy> kinda like a pchar in delphi
[08:51:06] <Subsentient> crutchy: Well, C strings are basically arrays of characters. When you do char *Stringy = "My String";, you're pointing to a statically allocated array of char.
[08:51:19] <Subsentient> char MyArray[10] is an array of char.
[08:51:43] <crutchy> ah
[08:56:24] <crutchy> i've been watching rockets exploding on youtube
[08:56:33] <crutchy> lazy_saturday++
[08:56:33] <Bender> karma - lazy_saturday: 1
[09:24:49] <Subsentient> Wow. I expected to have switched away from SubLinux by now.
[09:25:03] <Subsentient> In the end it still seems to fit me the best.
[09:25:18] <Subsentient> I thought I was gonna get pissed with it and go back to Fedora.
[09:25:37] <crutchy> maybe subsystemd will be next?
[09:25:58] * Subsentient lynches crutchy with an ethernet cable tied to a cieling fan
[09:26:26] <Subsentient> $wz
[09:26:26] <aqu4> 3[1 of 2] Name: go | Map: 4NTW3v3_NoArty2F-T1 (map-mod) | Host: Butcher_RUS_ | Players: 4/6 | IP: 176.193.92.172 | Version: 3.1.2
[09:26:27] <aqu4> 3[2 of 2] Name: Chunky Salsa | Map: 4Triumvirate-T1 (map-mod) | Host: SubSen MOEPP | Players: 1/4 | IP: 216.161.165.96 | Version: 3.1.2
[09:31:12] <chromas> Perhaps you could toss rpm + fedora's equivalent to libzypp and call it a fork
[09:31:18] <chromas> Roll up your sleeves
[09:34:05] * Subsentient will use this channel as his WZ games report room
[09:34:06] <Subsentient> $wz
[09:34:07] <aqu4> 4[1 of 1] Name: Kilau | Map: R_tomato_NTW-T1 | Host: kilau_2 | Players: 8/8 | IP: 111.95.108.203 | Version: 3.1.2
[09:34:34] <Subsentient> $wz
[09:34:35] <aqu4> 4[1 of 2] Name: Kilau | Map: R_tomato_NTW-T1 | Host: kilau_2 | Players: 8/8 | IP: 111.95.108.203 | Version: 3.1.2
[09:34:36] <aqu4> 3[2 of 2] Name: Chunky Salsa | Map: Irritant-T1 | Host: SubSen MOEPP | Players: 2/4 | IP: 216.161.165.96 | Version: 3.1.2
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[09:47:03] <Subsentient> chromas: http://imgur.com
[09:47:03] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Do you wanna build a WTF? - Album on Imgur
[09:47:50] <chromas> :( I wish we had snow
[10:09:51] <crutchy> that wouldn't be as funny if i hadn't seen frozen
[10:42:28] <ar> https://twitter.com - hehe
[10:42:29] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03IBM Design on Twitter: "We can haz achievementz? Just a bunch of designer cats here… @gameofkittens #update9 #ExplodingKittens http://t.co"
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[11:11:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:11:01] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1034
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[12:44:06] <crutchy> ++coffee
[12:44:06] <Hedonismbot> Karma - coffee: 253
[12:48:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~uid
[12:48:18] <exec> The current maximum UID is 5037, owned by mustardkingdom
[12:48:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm
[12:52:29] <crutchy> ~queue
[12:52:33] <exec> *** SN submission queue: 12 - http://sylnt.us
[12:55:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> nother spam mod, not remotely legit and by a guy who downmods more than he upmods
[12:55:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://soylentnews.org
[12:55:44] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN comment by Anonymous Coward
[12:56:45] <crutchy> hope the spam mod doesn't affect the AC ip
[12:56:52] <crutchy> cos i wrote that comment :p
[12:57:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> fucker also modbombed someone that day
[12:57:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> well for the past two days really
[12:58:04] <crutchy> that's why i comment AC :p
[12:58:48] <crutchy> i don't care about karma except that if it gets to low i can't get involved in commenting
[12:59:00] <crutchy> and i'm only in it for the comments
[12:59:31] <crutchy> reading but also contributing
[12:59:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> goober, everyone hates my opinions and i stay at max karma
[13:00:29] <crutchy> luckily i didn't post that funny as myself
[13:00:46] <crutchy> wasn't really that funny, but meh
[13:01:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> didn't get modded that high either
[13:01:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> so all is right with the world
[13:01:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> cept now i gotta figure out how to undo a modbomb
[13:01:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh
[13:02:03] <crutchy> i gots 5 mod points
[13:02:15] <crutchy> if i can help at all
[13:02:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> someone with modpoints want to go undo some damage done to hairyfeet over the past several days?
[13:02:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://soylentnews.org
[13:02:44] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03- SoylentNews User
[13:03:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> our spam abuser has like 15 downmods on the guy in the past week
[13:03:19] <crutchy> derp
[13:03:21] <crutchy> why didn
[13:03:22] <crutchy> 'tt
[13:03:25] <crutchy> that work?
[13:03:38] <crutchy> took me to my user page
[13:03:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, hrm, how bout https://soylentnews.org
[13:03:56] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Hairyfeet - SoylentNews User
[13:04:09] <crutchy> ah yeah that worked
[13:04:15] <crutchy> ta
[13:05:13] <crutchy> hmm. i did underrated and it still says troll
[13:05:23] <crutchy> are there mods that oppose other mods?
[13:05:36] <crutchy> i guess underrated goes with overrated
[13:05:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, doesn't show as a reason
[13:06:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is fine. karma's the thing on a mod bombing
[13:07:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> sides, it's fun getting a +5 Disagree or +5 Troll
[13:07:59] <crutchy> lol
[13:08:23] <crutchy> they all +1 now at least
[13:08:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> cheers
[13:09:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> saw a +3 Disagree the other day. gave me a laugh.
[13:09:41] <crutchy> there are some misinformed but still well written comments :p
[13:10:51] <crutchy> disagree also seems more civil than some of the other negative mods
[13:11:06] <crutchy> when i mod (rarely) i only ever give positive mods
[13:11:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, and then there are mine which everyone hates having to hear but are generally logically or philosophically solid
[13:11:37] <crutchy> you can prolly tell my modding history from god mode i guess
[13:11:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, on account of it's a +0 mod
[13:11:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[13:12:24] <crutchy> its prolly still pretty low. i'm a lazy mod
[13:12:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> can see both how ya mod and how ya been modded on any given user
[13:12:41] <crutchy> mkay
[13:12:57] <crutchy> are there any patterns?
[13:13:03] <crutchy> lol i prolly shouldn't ask
[13:13:05] <ciri> hehehe
[13:13:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> in yours? haven't looked
[13:13:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> i only just got uber powers on the live server like a week ago and haven't gotten around to abusing them yet
[13:15:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> need moar coffee and prolly need to have the nephews start waking up and getting ready to go fishing cause they apparently take longer than the 5m it takes me
[13:16:30] <crutchy> haha. kids are fun
[13:17:38] <crutchy> noticed something odd in my comments listing
[13:17:40] <crutchy> http://picpaste.com
[13:17:54] <crutchy> most recent comments appear out of order
[13:18:08] <crutchy> not a biggie, and might be a reason. just looked a bit weird
[13:18:49] <crutchy> *most recent 2 comments
[13:20:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> they get grouped by story
[13:20:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> afk, gotta go drop the Obamas off at the pool
[13:21:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Pluto and Ceres - http://sylnt.us - distant-orbits
[13:21:40] <crutchy> haf fun
[13:27:03] <crutchy> ~weather
[13:27:04] <exec> , wind NE at 2 mph
[13:27:36] <crutchy> ~weather
[13:27:38] <exec> NE at 2 mph
[13:28:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather
[13:29:00] <exec> S at 12 mph
[13:29:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, that's been better
[13:29:15] * crutchy is tinkering :p
[13:29:34] <crutchy> building in a unit preference
[13:29:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh
[13:32:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://www.phoronix.com
[13:32:36] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Feral Interactive Is Looking To Do More Linux Games - Phoronix
[13:33:57] <crutchy> ~weather-prefs unit metric
[13:35:59] <crutchy> ~weather-prefs unit metric
[13:36:49] <crutchy> derp
[13:36:51] <crutchy> ~weather-prefs unit metric
[13:38:32] <crutchy> ~weather-prefs unit metric
[13:38:33] <exec> successfully saved prefs
[13:38:47] <crutchy> ~weather
[13:38:48] <exec> 03Melbourne VIC - currently 26°C / -3°C, clear, wind E at 6 km/h, humidity 53% - Saturday partly cloudy (22°C-34°C / -6°C-1°C), Sunday clear (14°C-23°C / -10°C--5°C), Monday clear (14°C-29°C / -10°C--2°C), Tuesday clear (17°C-33°C / -8°C-1°C) - google
[13:39:05] <crutchy> derp. some conversion issues there
[13:41:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm
[13:42:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather
[13:42:04] <exec> 03Ada, OK, USA - currently 37°F / 3°C, scattered clouds, wind S at 13 mph, humidity 100% - Saturday partly cloudy (43°F-70°F / 6°C-21°C), Sunday partly cloudy (41°F-70°F / 5°C-21°C), Monday clear (41°F-64°F / 5°C-18°C), Tuesday clear (45°F-66°F / 7°C-19°C) - google
[13:42:09] <ar> ~weather
[13:42:11] <exec> 03Warsaw, Poland - currently 33°F / 1°C, mostly cloudy, humidity 85% - Saturday cloudy (30°F-34°F / -1°C-1°C), Sunday partly cloudy (24°F-34°F / -4°C-1°C), Monday snow showers (30°F-32°F / -1°C-0°C), Tuesday cloudy (32°F-37°F / 0°C-3°C) - google
[13:44:44] <crutchy> ~weather
[13:44:45] <exec> 03Melbourne VIC - currently 26°C, clear, wind E at 6 km/h, humidity 53% - Saturday partly cloudy (22°C-34°C), Sunday clear (14°C-23°C), Monday clear (14°C-29°C), Tuesday clear (17°C-33°C) - google
[13:45:00] <crutchy> :D
[13:45:06] <crutchy> ~weather new york
[13:45:07] <exec> 03New York, NY, USA - currently -1°C, overcast, humidity 62% - Saturday chance of snow (0°C-3°C), Sunday chance of snow (-3°C-5°C), Monday ice pellets (-4°C-2°C), Tuesday clear (-6°C-4°C) - google
[13:45:29] <crutchy> ~weather-prefs unit imperial
[13:45:29] <exec> successfully saved prefs
[13:45:33] <crutchy> ~weather
[13:45:34] <exec> 03Melbourne VIC - currently 78°F, clear, wind E at 4 mph, humidity 53% - Saturday partly cloudy (72°F-94°F), Sunday clear (58°F-74°F), Monday clear (58°F-84°F), Tuesday clear (63°F-91°F) - google
[13:45:53] <crutchy> ~weather-prefs unit metric
[13:45:53] <exec> successfully saved prefs
[13:45:56] <crutchy> ~weather
[13:45:58] <exec> 03Melbourne VIC - currently 26°C, clear, wind E at 6 km/h, humidity 53% - Saturday partly cloudy (22°C-34°C), Sunday clear (14°C-23°C), Monday clear (14°C-29°C), Tuesday clear (17°C-33°C) - google
[13:46:19] <crutchy> ~weather-prefs unit butt
[13:46:19] <exec> successfully saved prefs
[13:46:22] <crutchy> ~weather
[13:46:23] <exec> 03Melbourne VIC - currently 78°F / 26°C, clear, wind E at 4 mph, humidity 53% - Saturday partly cloudy (72°F-94°F / 22°C-34°C), Sunday clear (58°F-74°F / 14°C-23°C), Monday clear (58°F-84°F / 14°C-29°C), Tuesday clear (63°F-91°F / 17°C-33°C) - google
[13:46:29] <crutchy> :D
[13:46:39] <ar> ~weather-prefs unit metric
[13:46:40] <exec> successfully saved prefs
[13:46:43] <ar> ~weather
[13:46:44] <exec> 03Warsaw, Poland - currently 1°C, mostly cloudy, humidity 85% - Saturday cloudy (-1°C-1°C), Sunday partly cloudy (-4°C-1°C), Monday snow showers (-1°C-0°C), Tuesday cloudy (0°C-3°C) - google
[13:47:15] <crutchy> ~weather-prefs unit metric
[13:47:15] <exec> successfully saved prefs
[13:47:47] <crutchy> seems to be saving to file no probs
[13:47:57] <crutchy> ~time
[13:47:58] <exec> Sunday, 8 February 2015 @ 12:47 am GMT+11 - Melbourne VIC
[13:48:06] <crutchy> time for bed
[13:48:12] <crutchy> ciao
[13:48:25] <chromas> Is that metric time or imperial?
[13:48:31] <crutchy> lol
[13:49:14] <crutchy> need to make a conversion to star date
[13:49:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather
[13:49:52] <exec> 03Ada, OK, USA - currently 36°F / 2°C, overcast, wind S at 13 mph, humidity 100% - Saturday partly cloudy (43°F-70°F / 6°C-21°C), Sunday partly cloudy (41°F-70°F / 5°C-21°C), Monday clear (41°F-64°F / 5°C-18°C), Tuesday clear (45°F-66°F / 7°C-19°C) - google
[13:49:56] <ar> ~time
[13:49:57] <exec> Saturday, 7 February 2015 @ 2:49 pm GMT+1 - Warsaw, Poland
[13:50:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather-prefs unit imperial
[13:50:15] <exec> successfully saved prefs
[13:50:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather
[13:50:19] <exec> 03Ada, OK, USA - currently 36°F, overcast, wind S at 13 mph, humidity 100% - Saturday partly cloudy (43°F-70°F), Sunday partly cloudy (41°F-70°F), Monday clear (41°F-64°F), Tuesday clear (45°F-66°F) - google
[13:50:25] <chromas> Ew, twelve hour time
[13:50:29] <ar> why would you imperial?
[13:50:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> ar, because we use imperial in this nation
[13:50:58] <ar> but it's ass-backwards.
[13:51:16] <ar> it's kind of like sticking to steam engines and horses for transportation
[13:51:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, any system is arbitrary. one is only better if you think it is.
[13:51:23] <chromas> You mean lower temperatures are warmer?
[13:52:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean come on, the boiling and freezing points of water? how about the "it's fucking cold outside" and "damn, i'm sweating here" points of the human body instead?
[13:53:56] <ar> at least the measurements make sense
[13:54:03] <ar> and they're science-backed
[13:54:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> so? they're still arbitrary. could just as well have used the boiling and freezing points of hydrogen
[13:56:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll grant you metric is easier for volume measurements but for temperature there is no argument to be made either way.
[13:56:30] <crutchy> if you want scientific then kelvin makes more sense
[13:56:49] <crutchy> anyway cyas tomoz
[13:56:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. nite
[13:57:55] <chromas> coffee++ by the decigallon
[13:57:55] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1035
[14:01:14] * TheMightyBuzzard gets himself ready for teh fooshes
[14:01:45] * Leebert uses Celsius for any thermostat/thermometer he can set to C
[14:02:02] <Leebert> BUT I still talk to people in F because... well... that's the country I live in.
[14:03:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> i only bother with C on CPU/GPU temps cause that's what they're rated in by the manufacturers.
[14:03:59] <ar> everone in the whole world uses C
[14:04:29] <chromas> And Java
[14:04:29] <ar> even the brits switched
[14:05:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, that's their problem.
[14:06:55] <Leebert> To be clear, not saying TheMightyBuzzard should switch to C.
[14:07:26] <Leebert> The opposite: It's not realistic to switch in a country that uses F. Even for a grumpy bastard like me.
[14:07:47] <ar> Leebert: brits did switch
[14:07:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm stubborn, wouldn't help. i'd probably have quit smoking years ago if there hadn't been so many people telling me to.
[14:08:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> yet another small way of asserting my right to tell the world a big FU, I'll do what I want
[14:09:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, off fishing. see you lot later.
[14:11:34] <ar> there were many accidents caused by imperial units
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[14:35:51] <Leebert> ar: Right, the brits switched. But not because random individuals like me switched.
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[15:24:35] <LancePodstrong> openbsd and linux are a lot like linux and windows were 10 years ago. i just put openbsd on my desktop. everything works fine but i have to reboot into windows for games with wine and if i want flash/java to work right. otherwise it's perfect
[15:24:49] <LancePodstrong> er, reboot into linux now, windows before
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[16:10:40] <Subsentient> so, both copies of NEXUS crashed 5 mins before I woke up.
[16:45:31] <Leebert> Hmm. Why not +1 Discourse. I don't think it's insightful, informative, or interesting. But even stupid questions can feed discourse.
[16:54:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Question: Personal Crowdfunding Site Recommendations - http://sylnt.us - lookin'-for-help
[18:26:54] <chromas> SoylentFunds: We'll run your crowdsourcing campaign and keep most of the moneys
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[18:59:42] <chromas> Yo mama so fat, she distortin' our perception of spacetime
[19:00:17] <JamesNZ> chromas++ # Because wit.
[19:00:17] <Bender> karma - chromas: 68
[19:10:53] <LancePodstrong> yo mama so fat, the earth really does revolve around her
[19:16:57] <chromas> LancePodstrong: you're the one who reboots to play d2 right?
[19:18:09] <chromas> Leaving precious irc
[19:18:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com
[19:21:24] <chromas> Are those your new perl minions?
[19:21:47] <SirFinkus> looks good TheMightyBuzzard
[19:21:56] <SirFinkus> how you gonna cook em?
[19:22:07] <SirFinkus> I fucking love catfish fish and chips
[19:22:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> nephew caught the biggest n smallest of the day, i caught the other three, we threw back the bitsy one to get bigger
[19:23:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> cornmeal, salt, pepper, deep fry em.
[19:23:24] <SirFinkus> sounds about right, now I'm hungry
[19:24:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> adding a couple of flathead cats i had in the freezer to it and feeding nephews+parents.
[19:25:08] <SirFinkus> that'd probably be great with a grapefruit sculpin
[19:25:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> flathead were significantly fatter. forgot how scrawny farm pond channel cats could be
[19:27:22] <SirFinkus> we had a pretty good place that would make fried catfish here, but they went out of business
[19:28:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> bummer. most any general restaurant around here has fried catfish.
[19:28:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, headin out. back later.
[19:28:44] <SirFinkus> it's pretty rare here
[19:28:47] <SirFinkus> cya
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[19:35:51] <LancePodstrong> yes chromas
[19:36:34] <LancePodstrong> just finished act 2 yesterday
[19:38:10] <LancePodstrong> rfc 1149 compliant
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[19:47:02] <chromas> d2 runs well in wine. It always took awhile to boot in Vista. It would show a tile on the top left of the screen that slowly cycled through all the don't characters
[19:50:21] <SirFinkus> has any newer game really surpassed d2?
[19:50:29] <SirFinkus> or even matched it?
[19:53:37] <chromas> Dunno Id3's much better now than it used to be. Decent drops and stuff
[19:54:20] <chromas> Also, there's spider solitaire
[19:54:53] <SirFinkus> whats ld3?
[19:55:36] <chromas> d3 with a typing error :)
[19:55:48] <SirFinkus> oh, I've heard it was shitty
[19:55:58] <SirFinkus> I haven't played it though
[19:56:22] <chromas> It was. It's better now, but still different from 2
[19:57:17] <SirFinkus> hmm
[19:57:28] <SirFinkus> I still won't buy it because of the DRM though
[19:57:36] <chromas> First time I played through I didn't have all armor slots filled because the drops were shitty
[19:58:18] <chromas> drm--
[19:58:18] <Bender> karma - drm: -1
[19:58:37] <chromas> drm--100000
[19:58:38] <SirFinkus> that error 37 thing pisses me off
[19:58:58] <SirFinkus> although, to be fair, blizzard is pretty good at supporting their old games
[19:59:14] <SirFinkus> so I doubt the activation servers would go down in the near future
[19:59:37] <chromas> Yeah. You can put your keys into battle.net and then download the games whenever you want
[19:59:51] <chromas> Starcraft and stuff
[20:00:31] <SirFinkus> I don't buy stuff that's not on steam anymore, it's too convenient
[20:00:43] <SirFinkus> double standard, but god damn it's easy
[20:01:47] <chromas> There's always torchlight 2 then :D
[20:02:08] <chromas> It's on steam. It has guns and pets
[20:03:41] <SirFinkus> yeah, that one is pretty fun
[20:03:57] <SirFinkus> it just doesn't have that x factor that d2 had
[20:04:16] <chromas> It doesn't have the magical rainbow land that's in d3
[20:06:03] <SirFinkus> I don't think anyone will be playing tl2 in 15 years
[20:06:24] <chromas> d2 and starcraft sure are awesome
[20:19:33] <SirFinkus> I've heard path of exile is fun too
[20:26:55] <chromas> I played that a bit. It's free. Not sure if it has buyables. I got distracted before I played it too long
[20:50:47] <LancePodstrong> it runs better in wine than in windows imo
[20:50:51] <LancePodstrong> d2 that is
[20:50:57] <LancePodstrong> because you can alt-tab out of it seamlessly
[20:51:32] <chromas> I like to run it in a window
[20:51:37] <LancePodstrong> starcraft2 is great chromas, do you play it?
[20:51:44] <LancePodstrong> i haven't for long time because it's like crack
[20:51:49] <chromas> at one time, it would always minimize when it lost focus. they fixed it though
[20:51:51] <LancePodstrong> i might again if the winter is long and cruel
[20:51:57] <LancePodstrong> we'll see what march brings
[20:52:03] <chromas> I also haven't played in awhile
[20:52:11] <chromas> But I do have it
[20:52:21] <chromas> I'm a bad, bad little monkey
[20:52:29] <chromas> buying those DRMs
[20:52:51] <chromas> oh wait, someone gave it to me
[20:52:52] <LancePodstrong> my d2 is pirated
[20:52:56] <LancePodstrong> but i did pay for sc2
[20:53:19] <chromas> I buttpirated sc2, beat it, then someone gave it to me for birthday or something
[20:54:05] <chromas> Something I never got to play was the Hellfire expansion to Diablo
[20:55:09] <LancePodstrong> i never played the story in sc2 just 1v1 on bnet
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[20:57:12] <chromas> Jim Raynor gained a couple tons of muscle and Kerrigan got bleached
[21:38:05] <arti> good ol bnet.
[21:43:11] * arti ./bacon.sh
[21:43:37] <LancePodstrong> cannabis++
[21:43:37] <Bender> karma - cannabis: 6
[21:44:03] <arti> cannotbis++
[21:44:03] <Bender> karma - cannotbis: 1
[21:45:47] <LancePodstrong> diablo time :)
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