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[00:53:06] <juggs> This is what happens to ADSL2+ SNRM when some oaf emits RFI in the same frequencies.... http://tinypic.com
[00:53:06] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03 ( /view.php?pic=107jn2f&s=8 )
[01:09:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, damn, that's a good idea. i should get the frequencies and make a jammer.
[01:10:19] <juggs> Shouldn't be hard to do - they are in the MW range IIRC
[01:11:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, building a noisemaker is easy compared to a useful transmitter
[01:11:54] <juggs> Which also makes tracking down the source require only a cheap portable radio and some walking around. :D I shall hunt them down and kill^W advise them!
[01:12:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus phone lines aren't generally shielded for shit. partially why i used cat5e when my house was built.
[01:14:56] <juggs> CW1308 is what we use here for internal phone stuff. This is external to my premises though - so it could be getting picked up anywhere on the line between me and exchange. It's only a mile or so away, so no biggy to walk the route.
[01:15:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, yeah.
[01:16:02] <juggs> cat5e is good for 1Gbps ethernet isn't it (if terminated well)?
[01:16:24] <juggs> And did you use shielded (STP) or unshielded (UTP)?
[01:16:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> over very short runs. it's out of spec for it but it can be done.
[01:16:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> pairs aren't shielded, whole shebang is though.
[01:17:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> mostly though, i just got tired of having crap quality lines causing noise themselves
[01:18:52] <juggs> Hmm... spec indicates cat5e distance is 100m for 1000BASE-T.
[01:19:18] <juggs> Wouldn't want to try that coming out of a busy comms cabinet :D
[01:19:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh, must have some wires crossed in my memory
[01:19:42] <juggs> shoulda shielded your mind too
[01:20:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i'd still be a republican if i did that.
[01:20:11] * TheMightyBuzzard shudders
[01:20:24] <juggs> what are you now?
[01:20:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> fascist libertarian
[01:21:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> fascist cause democratically elected regimes are harder to overthrow with a well placed bullet.
[01:23:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> i wouldn't mind a monarchy or any other single person to shoot system either though.
[01:24:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's just too bloody many congressmen. my trigger finger would get a cramp.
[01:25:16] <juggs> that's what full auto is for :D Grab a Negev and get busy :D
[01:26:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> wonder if we'd be all "remember remember the fifth of november" or throwing a party as a nation.
[01:27:46] <juggs> I don't think a lone gunman no matter how armed would get very far. Really not the way to go about things unless one wants to suicide.
[01:27:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> given congress has an approval rating in the teens, i'm thinking the latter.
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[01:28:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, prolly need to load up on guns, bring your friends
[01:29:38] <juggs> you'd likely get found out before the act in that case. then it's be all Waco up in the place :D
[01:29:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think prolly a dozen armed-to-the-teeth guys could take out a joint session
[01:29:54] * exec suspiciously tosses a toilet bowl of boogers to TheMightyBuzzard
[01:30:06] <juggs> g'day crutchy
[01:30:12] <juggs> ~g'day crutchy
[01:30:13] * exec spontaneously cracks open a spoon of pancakes for crutchy
[01:30:19] * TheMightyBuzzard farts in exec's general direction
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[01:31:29] <juggs> OK, so, theoretically speaking. Say your dozen men took out a joint session..... then what?
[01:31:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> mind you, body armor would be a necessary part of gearing up. kevlar helmets as well.
[01:31:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, then it's miller time
[01:32:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> sit on the steps, surrender
[01:32:48] <juggs> sell the book rights from your life incarceration cell :D
[01:33:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> sadly, can't. someone already did that and we passed a law saying you can't make money from the story of your crime.
[01:33:58] <crutchy> sell it overseas :p
[01:34:16] <crutchy> black_market++
[01:34:16] <Bender> karma - black_market: 1
[01:35:03] <juggs> Mind you, a shit ton of cash is not much use if your kicking your heels in solitary until they carry you out in a box :D
[01:35:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> true
[01:35:22] <crutchy> brilliant day out. might go enjoy it. i'll leave my dumbot in here to spy on yas. ciao
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[01:35:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Cosmonauts Carried Shotguns Into Space - http://sylnt.us - grounded-in-practice
[01:35:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> my luck they'd pass something outlawing smoking in prison.
[01:36:19] <juggs> ha! wtf do you do in prison for decades... that shit must get old fast
[01:36:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> i fully expect they'd execute us though. or give us a medal. who knows.
[01:37:18] <juggs> you'd have to be in a death penalty state though right?
[01:37:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dunno, i can do still and quiet pretty well.
[01:37:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd prolly just start reading and see how far i could get through their library.
[01:38:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> federal lands like DC are all death penalty areas.
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[01:38:20] <juggs> Problem as I see it, you take out the current infestation of rats in a move like that, there's 10 more for each of them waiting in the wings to step right in and take over and carry on.
[01:38:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, s'true but they're gonna be scared shitless rats at least. as it should be.
[01:38:57] <juggs> Yah... then you'd be getting some of those nasty "we're not sure these work" bastard things injected into you.
[01:39:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> i know, right? why they gotta get complicated with it? heroin overdose works peachy keen. proven track record and painless.
[01:40:21] <juggs> drugs are bad mmm'kay!
[01:40:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus it's free on account of we confiscate tons n tons of the stuff every year.
[01:41:21] <juggs> I don't think painless really fits with the US vengeance style of justice though.
[01:42:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think they just wanna complicate shit. we always done quick and over with until the electric chair and lethal injection.
[01:42:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> hanging or firing squad mostly.
[01:43:08] <juggs> Your lethal injection got knobbled by Euro suppliers growing a conscience and refusing to supply iirc
[01:43:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> have a whole constitutional bit about not having cruel or unusual punishment.
[01:43:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg
[01:43:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> weird since we make tons of lethal in the right dose drugs right here at home.
[01:43:56] <juggs> guillotine seems pretty nifty too - better than the whole using an axe thing that went before
[01:44:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i'd be fine with that or hanging or a firing squad. think i'd prefer the firing squad though cause tradition demands you get a last cigarette.
[01:45:29] <juggs> In that situation I reckon I could smoke a pack in the time it would normally take to smoke a single cig :/
[01:46:12] <juggs> In fact - a pack of the longest / fattest cigars - may as well go out in style
[01:46:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno if we can. think we still have the embargo on cubans
[01:46:51] <juggs> sounds like that's starting to change
[01:48:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> hadda roll a smoke, all that talking got me to wanting one.
[01:48:28] <juggs> aye - going to have to step out and light one myself :D
[01:48:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, some of the stuff is properly the president's say-so. some of it's written into law and he can do fuck all about though.
[01:49:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> well legally he can't anyway. not that legal stopped him from declaring amnesty for millions of illegal aliens.
[01:50:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean shit, the man himself said he couldn't legally do anything about it on over a dozen public occasions.
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[01:51:57] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v Bytram|away] by juggler
[01:52:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> evenin, bytram
[01:52:12] <SirFinkus> electric chair was a shitty way to die
[01:52:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. people trying to modernize things and fucking up what works.
[01:53:05] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[01:53:20] <Bytram> evenin!
[01:53:32] <SirFinkus> but what do we use on ciri?
[01:53:38] <Bytram> taser
[01:53:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> claw hammer
[01:53:48] <SirFinkus> I vote brazen bull
[01:54:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, it needs to die before it can speak again. the bull leaves it alive too long.
[01:54:31] <SirFinkus> ahh, that's the best part though
[01:54:34] <Bytram> I generally don't use any google stuff and I'd rather not allow 'em for a one-shot thing...
[01:54:41] <Bytram> can someone take a look at: http://augmentedresearch.hiit.fi
[01:54:42] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Augmented search, research, and knowledge work -- HIIT-Wide Focus Area
[01:54:45] <SirFinkus> it can still speak, but it sounds like the cries of a bull
[01:54:56] <Bytram> and see if there is actually a search capability listed there.
[01:55:22] <juggs> !vote ciri goes to the iron maiden 1. Yes 2. No
[01:55:30] <SirFinkus> The head of the bull was designed with a complex system of tubes and stops so that the prisoner's screams were converted into sounds like the bellowing of an infuriated bull
[01:55:30] * Bytram put up the story: https://soylentnews.org
[01:55:31] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN article: New Search Engine lets Users Look for Relevant Results Faster 04(7 comments)
[01:55:42] <SirFinkus> that's a quote btw
[01:55:46] <Bytram> and the story does not have alink to the new search engine. :/
[01:55:53] <Bytram> editor fail
[01:56:03] <SirFinkus> "[His screams] will come to you through the pipes as the tenderest, most pathetic, most melodious of bellowings."
[01:56:56] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[01:56:56] <Bender> karma - tea: 388
[01:56:56] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[01:56:56] <Bender> karma - tea: 389
[01:57:00] * Bytram wishes that when I temporarily allow a site, I could selective disallow it later.
[01:57:07] <Bytram> coffee++
[01:57:07] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1026
[01:57:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, it's just a paper right now as far as i can tell.
[01:57:16] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: thanks!
[01:57:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> maybe a prototype thas not public
[01:57:25] <juggs> Bytram, I see lots of links to read more - and it wants to pull in something from Youtube (presumably a vid of said search engine) - but I see no search
[01:57:39] <Bytram> juggs: thank you!
[01:57:56] <juggs> Bytram, TheMightyBuzzard ninja'd me
[01:57:57] <Bytram> I found that link from the linked ACM article: http://cacm.acm.org
[01:58:00] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Interactive Intent Modeling: Information Discovery Beyond Search | January 2015 | Communications of the ACM
[01:59:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh. gimme something useful to at least play with or don't tell me about it.
[01:59:38] <juggs> It reads like some fluffy AI piece - seem to remember that being the next big thing when I was at Uni ~cough~ years ago - neural networks were going to change everything :D
[02:00:15] * Bytram is still not fully recovered from food poisoning and prolly should not have been pushing stories out to the main page even though the story queue was running low.
[02:00:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> they likely would. the ones made up of human brains have been cocking things up for thousands of years.
[02:00:30] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[02:00:30] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 142
[02:00:33] <Bytram> !uid
[02:00:34] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4027, owned by htmbv
[02:00:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, we should fix that
[02:00:53] <juggs> they were fun to play around with
[02:00:53] <Bytram> could someone give bender a kick? been stuck there for a while!
[02:01:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> i can bounce him but i dunno how to fix him.
[02:01:18] * Bytram goes to update his "zoo"
[02:01:27] <JamesNZ> If you kick him he'll probably bring it down :P
[02:02:07] <Bytram> huh. 5034 is still the last nick? assigned to "boxrick"
[02:02:15] -!- Bender has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[02:02:24] * Bytram wavs at bender
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[02:02:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> awe, i was gonna give him the boot
[02:02:36] * Bytram waves at bender
[02:02:40] <Bytram> !uid
[02:02:41] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4027, owned by htmbv
[02:02:59] * Bytram notes for the record that that really didn't seem to help much. :/
[02:03:06] <juggs> shurg.. fukcing thing is a mystery to me.
[02:03:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, thas on pj to fix. i'm both on vacation and not a python guru.
[02:03:52] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: btw, once again wanted to tell ya so sorry about your poles getting stolen -- any luck looking at your videos?
[02:04:16] <juggs> I start digging around in Bender's workings and it's like being inside a leviathan crossed with medusa
[02:04:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> crap quality. best i can tell is he's a young white guy about 6' tall and slim built.
[02:04:36] <Bytram> all imaginary, eh?
[02:04:45] <Bytram> nod nod
[02:05:06] <Bytram> bummer
[02:05:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly just as well. i'd end up not giving the video to the cops and hunting the guy down myself.
[02:05:37] <Bytram> that would prolly not end well
[02:05:47] <Bytram> except for the fish
[02:05:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[02:06:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> pretty sure i could get away with putting a round in his head from concealment but only pretty sure.
[02:06:42] <juggs> Bytram, nah... it's just sprawling, it makes my head hurt. It's a swiss arm knife style of bot - too much for my simpleton mind.
[02:07:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> see, if we'd pushed the api live we could just query that.
[02:07:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~uid
[02:07:31] <Bytram> ahhhh it's got *everything* in there and you need a magic incantation to extract just the info you want out of all the stuff it can do?
[02:07:33] <exec> The current maximum UID is 5037, owned by mustardkingdom
[02:07:43] <Bytram> huh?
[02:07:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas on dev
[02:07:51] <Bytram> is that on dev or prod?
[02:07:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> using the api
[02:07:57] <Bytram> oh.
[02:07:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think
[02:08:15] * Bytram had just checked on prod
[02:08:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> could be crutchy's implementation of live though.
[02:08:22] <Bytram> huh. 5034 is still the last nick? assigned to "boxrick"
[02:08:37] <Bytram> brb
[02:08:37] <ciri> me too, smoke time! Bytram
[02:08:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, that's crutchy's live version
[02:09:00] <Bytram> here's the magic link to paste into your browser: http://soylentnews.org
[02:09:00] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SoylentNews Friend/Foe System
[02:09:01] <juggs> Dev is out of synch with live. Never should they be merged lol
[02:10:01] <Bytram> this http[s] logging me off is geting tiring really quick
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[02:11:53] <Bytram> juggs: that's for sure; I've got a bunch test cases I tried out on dev that don't belong on prod.
[02:13:00] <Bytram> btw, is it expected behavior that I need to login again each time I bring up soylent news as https?
[02:13:10] <juggs> Bytram, using firefox?
[02:14:16] <Bytram> what I mean is, I'm lookin at soylentnews.org, and am logged in. I leave my browser open, disconnect from the net, hibernate (windows), restart, reconnect, go to soylentnews.org, and now I'm logged out.
[02:14:32] <Bytram> juggs: PaleMoon, but not much different
[02:15:09] <Bytram> ima guessin that https and cookies are a bad combo?
[02:15:16] * Bytram wishes his head would clear up
[02:15:39] <juggs> Bytram, look at Preferences > Password tab... what do you have set for Valid Location and Expires ?
[02:15:55] <Bytram> checking
[02:16:01] <Bytram> and waiting
[02:16:40] <juggs> I get logged out if my DSL IP changes as I have it set to "My Subnet"...
[02:16:48] <Bytram> huh... I had *had* it as "everytwhere", but is now set to "My subnet"
[02:16:53] <Bytram> that'd prolly do it.
[02:17:05] <juggs> hmm.. that may make it worse.
[02:17:21] <Bytram> now changed it tyo "Everywhere" and "In one year"
[02:17:46] * Bytram will find out soon
[02:18:08] * Bytram just clicked on "File" and "Work Offline"
[02:18:09] <juggs> Do we still have the bug of https login redirecting to http?
[02:18:17] <Bytram> yuppers
[02:18:21] <Bytram> oh wait
[02:19:05] <juggs> I worked around that with EFFs HTTPS Everywhere plugin. Had to add a stanza to the config file.
[02:19:12] <Bytram> I thought you meant that when I am logged in as, say, httpS and I click on an http link, I get logged out. (or vice versa). that one still seems to be happening.
[02:20:00] <juggs> Nah, there was one, where you went to https://SN logged in and got dumped to http logged out
[02:20:01] * Bytram selected file / work online and am still logged in.
[02:20:20] <Bytram> oh, that sounds more like a varnish issue, maybe?
[02:20:54] <juggs> I don't recall now. The plugin ensures I always hit https
[02:21:15] <Bytram> sounds like something I last ran into a few months ago. I login and SN would show that I was logged in... until I tried going to the main page or something and then I'd be logged out.
[02:21:38] <Bytram> didn't matter which login form I used, kept being both logged in and not logged in.
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[02:21:53] <Bytram> a "restart" or whatever pj did would fix that one
[02:21:56] <juggs> Yah. Far too many ~similar~ symptom bugs me thinks
[02:22:04] <Bytram> nodnod
[02:22:17] <juggs> Oooh question Bytram...
[02:22:22] <Bytram> one sec
[02:22:27] <Bytram> maybe two...
[02:22:36] <juggs> np
[02:23:34] <Bytram> =)tell ya what... let me finish with this one and I'll be all ears, k?
[02:23:39] <Bytram> wrt: https://soylentnews.org
[02:23:39] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03302 Moved ( https://soylentnews.org )
[02:23:43] <Bytram> I'd like to add this:
[02:23:52] <Bytram> <p>[Editor's note: I apologize. I did not notice the story lacks a link to a page where one could actually <em>use</em> the new search engine... this is all mostly, informational at this point and not so worthy of being on the main page.]
[02:24:12] <Bytram> thoughts?
[02:25:13] <Bytram> sorry. wrt to this story: http://soylentnews.org
[02:25:13] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN article: New Search Engine lets Users Look for Relevant Results Faster 04(10 comments)
[02:25:45] <Bytram> I just realized... I'll just add it as a comment on the story.
[02:25:47] <Bytram> brb
[02:25:47] <ciri> me too, smoke time! Bytram
[02:25:54] <juggs> hmm ~not so worthy~ may be a little harsh. A lot of what we story on is research papers. Perhaps the title is misleading rather than TFS being the problem.
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[02:28:42] <juggs> Bytram, perhaps the title should have been editted to "Interactive Intent Modeling: Information Discovery Beyond Search" as per the paper rather than "New Search Engine" ??
[02:29:00] <Bytram> good idea..
[02:29:17] <juggs> hola LancePodstrong - I see your Forest story made it live :D
[02:29:53] <LancePodstrong> indeed :)
[02:29:53] * Bytram resurrected *that* one from the land of unix epock +0 sec
[02:30:18] <juggs> Bytram - yah, that was what my next Q was about.
[02:30:20] <juggs> brb
[02:30:20] <ciri> where you going? juggs
[02:30:42] <juggs> to crank open the iron maiden for you ciri
[02:30:44] <juggs> brb
[02:31:55] <Bytram> comment away...
[02:32:07] <Bytram> title change on the way
[02:32:18] <Bytram> oky. I'm back
[02:32:55] <Bytram> juggs: yeah I'm still recuperating so I've been so-so with getting into full converstaion more for a couple days
[02:33:25] <Bytram> peaked into the chat logs and saw your reply to LancePodstrong and said to myself... Wait! Where DID that story go?
[02:34:49] <Bytram> if a submission is reviewed and a date/time is set for it to go out, and there is an error in its formatting (like setting the time to: 25:00:00) then it just disappears from the story queue and has its date./time stamp set to the beginning of the unix epock
[02:35:38] <Bytram> 1970-01-01 00:00:00
[02:35:47] <LancePodstrong> lol
[02:36:06] <Bytram> thankfully, there was a link in your conversation which pointed to the submission and from that, I could track down the story
[02:36:17] <Bytram> and resurrect it from oblivion
[02:36:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> did you use a delorean?
[02:36:51] <Bytram> it would help a lot if, when it found an invalid date/time stamp, if it cautioned me before throwing it into the land where time forgot.
[02:37:03] <Bytram> =)
[02:37:15] <Bytram> yeah, but it was underpowered
[02:37:22] <Bytram> Iwas stuck with miss fusion
[02:37:29] <LancePodstrong> thanks for doing that
[02:37:34] <Bytram> i.e., the fusion was just missin
[02:37:48] <Bytram> LancePodstrong: no prob! it was an interesting story.
[02:38:38] <Bytram> even before my early teens, my dad would take me on walks through the woods and identify different trees and show my how I could tell them apart.
[02:38:46] <Bytram> s/my/me
[02:38:46] * sedctl offers Botrum a /
[02:38:48] <Bytram> s/my/me/
[02:38:48] <sedctl> <Botrem> even before me early teens, my dad would take me on walks through the woods and identify different trees and show my how I could tell them apart.
[02:39:06] <Bytram> s my how/ me how/
[02:39:09] <Bytram> s/my how/ me how/
[02:39:09] <sedctl> <Bytram> s me how/ me how/
[02:39:15] <Bytram> blegh.
[02:39:48] <Bytram> anyway... I knew 5 different kinds of pine tree, 5 oaks, 5 maples, well you get the idea.
[02:39:59] <LancePodstrong> cool
[02:40:07] <Bytram> don't ask me anything about something that's shorter than 10 feet, though. =)
[02:40:22] <LancePodstrong> i love trees too, and nature in general. during the growing season i am starting on a berry farm
[02:40:42] <LancePodstrong> we hyave a few giant black maples and silver maples i'm going to tap for syrup this spring
[02:40:48] <Bytram> huckle, black, blue, rasp, straw, boysen?
[02:41:06] <Bytram> prolly skip the silver
[02:41:24] <Bytram> black *might* work, but not a lot of flow if memory serves
[02:42:02] <LancePodstrong> mostly raspberries so far but also working on gooseberries grapes strawberries
[02:42:12] <LancePodstrong> i'm a bit too cold for blackberries
[02:42:14] <Bytram> sugar maples have *omparatively* high sugar content compared to the other maples, but even then, it's something like 20(40?) to 1
[02:42:41] <Bytram> how often, and for how long does it get/stay below zero F
[02:42:43] <LancePodstrong> yes requires a lot of boiling. my friend's grandpa makes it every year and has a giant wood powered evaporator thing
[02:42:58] <LancePodstrong> i'm zone 4a in southern minnesota
[02:43:01] <Bytram> oh, cool!
[02:43:01] <LancePodstrong> so pretty often
[02:43:09] <Bytram> then nvm what I said and go ask grandpa!
[02:43:13] <LancePodstrong> count on -25f every year
[02:43:25] <LancePodstrong> maybe not in a warm year but to be safe count on it
[02:43:44] <Bytram> yeah, if that's for just one night, shouldn't be a problem.
[02:44:09] <Bytram> at least we had several stands in a field behind where I grew up and they survived that temp fine.
[02:44:16] <LancePodstrong> where at? what zone?
[02:44:16] <ciri> out and about!! LancePodstrong
[02:44:26] <Bytram> mid new england
[02:44:38] <LancePodstrong> that's considerably warmer than here
[02:44:57] <Bytram> prolly, we don't have any frostbite falls.
[02:45:06] <Bytram> or flying squirrels. =)
[02:45:14] <LancePodstrong> i suspect blackberries would do fine for a few years and then when we get ar eal hard winter die off
[02:45:43] <LancePodstrong> there's a definite trend toward warmer winters on a verage here but it still gets cold every now and again
[02:45:57] <LancePodstrong> people who planted a bunch of zone 5 trees got disapointed last winter and winter before
[02:46:03] <Bytram> well, we had a few times with 10-20 below and they held up okay
[02:46:21] <LancePodstrong> we have weeks where the high stays below zero
[02:46:22] <Bytram> you get much snow? that acts as an insulator.
[02:46:27] <Bytram> oh.
[02:46:29] <Bytram> brrrrrr
[02:46:39] <Bytram> yeah, that's colder.
[02:46:47] <Bytram> ~weather mpls
[02:46:48] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[02:46:49] <LancePodstrong> snow cover varies year to year but typically we have gtood cover
[02:46:56] <Bytram> that helps!
[02:47:02] <Bytram> ~weather minneapolis
[02:47:03] <exec> Weather for Minneapolis, MN, USA - currently 6°F / -14°C, clear, wind NE at 3 mph, humidity 45% - Wednesday partly cloudy (1°F-18°F / -17°C--8°C), Thursday partly cloudy (14°F-23°F / -10°C--5°C), Friday mostly cloudy (18°F-32°F / -8°C-0°C), Saturday mostly cloudy (27°F-32°F / -3°C-0°C) - source: Google
[02:47:06] <Landon> boo, don't remind me
[02:47:09] <Landon> I need to start peppers again :(
[02:47:18] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[02:47:20] <Landon> pots take up 25% of floor space in the spring until they can go outside
[02:47:24] <exec> Weather for Boston, MA, USA - currently 39°F / 4°C, overcast, wind SW at 5 mph, humidity 71% - Wednesday mostly cloudy (32°F-36°F / 0°C-2°C), Thursday snow (0°F-36°F / -18°C-2°C), Friday partly cloudy (10°F-18°F / -12°C--8°C), Saturday chance of snow (18°F-30°F / -8°C--1°C) - source: Google
[02:47:28] <Bytram> ~weather PWM
[02:47:29] <exec> Weather for Portland, OR, USA - currently 54°F / 12°C, overcast, humidity 70% - Wednesday chance of rain (45°F-57°F / 7°C-14°C), Thursday rain (50°F-55°F / 10°C-13°C), Friday rain (48°F-55°F / 9°C-13°C), Saturday chance of rain (46°F-57°F / 8°C-14°C) - source: Google
[02:47:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather
[02:47:35] <exec> Weather for Ada, OK, USA - currently 32°F / 0°C, overcast, wind N at 18 mph, humidity 100% - Wednesday mostly cloudy (23°F-57°F / -5°C-14°C), Thursday partly cloudy (28°F-41°F / -2°C-5°C), Friday clear (41°F-66°F / 5°C-19°C), Saturday partly cloudy (43°F-73°F / 6°C-23°C) - source: Google
[02:47:50] <Bytram> ~weather Portland, Maine
[02:47:51] <exec> Weather for Portland, ME, USA - currently 36°F / 2°C, overcast, wind W at 7 mph, humidity 82% - Wednesday snow (28°F-36°F / -2°C-2°C), Thursday snow (1°F-32°F / -17°C-0°C), Friday partly cloudy (12°F-16°F / -11°C--9°C), Saturday chance of snow (3°F-25°F / -16°C--4°C) - source: Google
[02:48:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's fuckin colder here than maine?! i want my money back.
[02:48:18] <Bytram> ~weather Presque Isle
[02:48:19] <exec> Weather for Presque Isle, ME, USA - currently 18°F / -8°C, overcast, wind N at 0 mph, humidity 90% - Wednesday chance of snow (18°F-23°F / -8°C--5°C), Thursday chance of snow (-13°F-23°F / -25°C--5°C), Friday partly cloudy (-8°F-3°F / -22°C--16°C), Saturday partly cloudy (-15°F-10°F / -26°C--12°C) - source: Google
[02:48:47] <Bytram> we just had a storm come through so we're in a warm stretch.
[02:49:24] <Bytram> yes, I just referred to a temperature just over the freezing mark as "warm"
[02:49:29] <Bytram> =)
[02:49:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, good fishin weather friday. up into the 60s.
[02:49:56] * Bytram won't be seeing THAT for a while!
[02:50:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> we fuck not around with crazy weather swings here in OK
[02:50:29] <Bytram> nor, for that matter, with understatement
[02:50:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> 50F difference in three days isn't even odd for us.
[02:51:29] <Bytram> 'tis rare, but I've seen that happen in one 24-hr stretch
[02:51:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[02:51:40] <LancePodstrong> fairly common here too
[02:51:46] <LancePodstrong> from like north texas on up the plains i think
[02:52:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, desert climates do it a lot.
[02:52:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> and we're just half a state from being in the desert.
[02:52:19] <Bytram> I've seen 30F in 12 hours.
[02:52:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> 30f in 12 hours is our normal day/night spread generally
[02:52:53] <Bytram> LOL
[02:52:57] <LancePodstrong> deserts vary a lot from daily high to daily low but actually don't typicaly vary as quickly with weather systems passing through
[02:53:05] <Bytram> nodnod
[02:53:10] <Bytram> afk back in a few
[02:53:18] <LancePodstrong> that's more a feature of midlatitude climates under the j4et stream
[02:53:33] <LancePodstrong> so everywhere from like 35 to 60 degrees north
[02:53:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> think ima watch me some trek and hit the sack. do some packing tomorrow.
[02:55:28] <juggs> Bytram, answered my question before I got back. LancePodstrong posed the question that he saw his story Accepted message but it vanished from all queues. I could see you had edited it by visiting it directly. I wasn't sure if that was just usual editing wheels in motion. Clearly not.
[02:56:05] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, happy packing - don't forget to label all the boxes well :D
[02:58:20] <Bytram> back
[02:58:57] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: what juggs said
[02:59:32] <Bytram> uniform box sizes are your friend
[03:00:00] <Bytram> if you can get lotsa copier paper boxes, they work great, otherwise get a bunch from a U-Haul or the like
[03:00:31] <juggs> Yah, I was just puzzling over why that story vanished from all queues, I thought it should appear red in Stories. I even clicked through to page one of Stories to see if it was lurking at the start of the list with a primoridial date.. but newp. Does the publish date/time default to unix epoch?
[03:01:11] <Bytram> changing subject, took myself to the movies for the first time in ages and saw "The Imitation Game" -- quite enjoyable even if they tooks some liberties with reality
[03:02:17] <Bytram> reality being the actual timing of events and who did what; still did a good job of showing Turing's genius
[03:02:34] <chromas> grocery stores also have apple boxes you can use
[03:02:36] <juggs> films always do take liberties. artistic license and all that.
[03:02:40] <chromas> +oranges
[03:03:08] <Bytram> yeah, I knew some of the story from reading years ago.
[03:03:25] <Bytram> read up on it after seeing the movie... wikipedia had a good treatment on the film.
[03:04:06] <juggs> It's be a pretty dull film if it followed the minutiae of Turing's work. Endless days in a cold drafty shed doing maths :/
[03:04:22] <Bytram> the US had a larger budget and was able to take what Turing created and speed it up considerably, and then made a couple hundred of 'em to speed things up
[03:04:27] <Bytram> juggs: lol
[03:05:06] <Bytram> "normal" people just do not understand, and somewhat fear, brilliant people. they don't understand "smart"
[03:05:27] <Bytram> an athlete, yeah, exercise and some skill, and they can imagine *that*
[03:05:38] <juggs> Bytram, this is probably apposite if you are in Turing mode.. http://www.theregister.co.uk
[03:05:39] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Turing notes found warming Bletchley Park's leaky ceilings • The Register
[03:06:37] <Bytram> maths even at algebra or geometry level are beyond some people's conception -- those who *get* that are, well, inconceivable how they do it.
[03:06:45] <Bytram> they just can't fathom it.
[03:07:03] * Bytram goes to see
[03:07:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Interactive Intent Modeling: Information Discovery Beyond Search - http://sylnt.us - seek-and-ye-shall-find
[03:07:16] <Bytram> scares 'em
[03:07:43] <Bytram> huh? that story has been up for a while, albeit with a different title
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[03:09:00] <juggs> I think everyone has their maths ceiling I think. I was fine with quadratics, differentiation etc., but getting into further maths, I could see others were conceptually "seeing" it while I was just applying without understanding. It annoyed me that I couldn't grasp it.
[03:09:18] <Bytram> yuppers!
[03:09:53] <SpallsHurgenson> I feel the same way about that whole 2+2=4 thing. Still have a hard time wrapping my head around that
[03:10:19] <juggs> That's because you eschew all logic SpallsHurgenson. You're a basket case :P
[03:10:41] <SpallsHurgenson> that probably has something to do with it :)
[03:10:53] <SpallsHurgenson> http://arstechnica.com poor Verizon
[03:10:54] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Verizon is mad that its huge net neutrality gamble backfired | Ars Technica
[03:11:39] <Bytram> same with you, I kinda got calc I, II, and III; advanced calculus, and calculus over the complex number plane; intro to diff EQ snowed me. and I never really grokked matrix math what with eigenvectors and DEL and GRAD. then it was just teetering through
[03:11:42] <JamesNZ> SpallsHurgenson: Errr, no, 2+2=5.
[03:12:04] <SpallsHurgenson> I. See. Five. Lights!
[03:12:12] <JamesNZ> Eureka!
[03:13:26] <Bytram> just symbol manipulations at that point which apparently got the instructor to generally say I was getting the right answers, more often that not, but it did not make 'sense'
[03:13:52] <Bytram> s/often that/often than/
[03:13:52] <sedctl> <Bytram> just symbol manipulations at that point which apparently got the instructor to generally say I was getting the right answers, more often than not, but it did not make 'sense'
[03:19:10] <Bytram> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[03:19:11] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Tolkien 'almost became WWII code-breaker alongside Alan Turing' • The Register
[03:23:45] <SpallsHurgenson> Urgent brief from the front, sir; apparently the Nazi's have gotten their hands on the One Ring!
[03:24:21] <Bytram> http://go.theregister.com
[03:24:22] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Toshiba packs NUMERIC KEYPAD onto self-bricking USB drive • The Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
[03:26:18] <SpallsHurgenson> god, I hope you can type your personal PIN number in BEFORE you plug that sucker in
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[03:27:08] <Bytram> nah... just need really pointy fingers
[03:27:24] <Bytram> here's a good one: http://www.theregister.co.uk
[03:27:24] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SanDisk vows: We'll have a 16TB SSD WHOPPER by 2016 • The Register
[03:27:32] <SpallsHurgenson> sold seperately, no doubt :)
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[03:28:15] <SpallsHurgenson> a 16TB SSD isn't that impressive. A 16TB SSD that people can actually AFFORD, on the other hand... ;-)
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[03:30:27] <juggs> Bytram, I ended in the same boat. I got straight As to that point - but the teachers advised me not to take it further. That annoyed me at the time, but in hindsight they were correct, as much as I tried I just couldn't grok further stuff other than just applying knowledge - which doesn't fly when moving into that mathematical plane. An academic mathematician's life was not for me c'est la vie :D
[03:31:06] <Bytram> ouch. yeah, similar here.
[03:31:20] <Bytram> I was taking computer science which was part of the math dept
[03:31:34] <Bytram> had to take 6 courses in maths to get my comp sci degree
[03:31:59] <Bytram> or was it 8? I dunno
[03:32:00] <Bytram> too much.
[03:32:30] <Bytram> it was just another set of symbol systems built on other symbol systems; turtles all the way down.
[03:32:52] <Bytram> and if I didn't totally grok and become more than just familiar with but even, say,...
[03:33:07] <Bytram> umm what's the word...;
[03:33:28] <Bytram> I needed to be able to do *those* as easily as multiplication tables... and I could not.
[03:33:45] <Bytram> so, I'm glad I did not pursue that as a career.
[03:36:12] <SpallsHurgenson> http://www.macworld.com
[03:36:13] <Hedonismbot> ^ 037 smartphone rules changed this week | Macworld
[03:37:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Plants Engineered for On-Demand Drought Tolerance - http://sylnt.us - instant-drought-tolerance...just-add-water
[03:38:06] * Bytram kinda likes that "dept"
[03:38:12] <Bytram> http://scienceblog.com(ScienceBlog.com)&utm_content=Netvibes
[03:38:13] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Acoustic-gravity waves in the deep - ScienceBlog.com ( http://scienceblog.com )
[03:38:19] <Bytram> http://scienceblog.com
[03:39:32] <juggs> horses for course, different folks different strokes, play to your strengths, etc. platitude etc. :D Didn't make it easy being told at 16 not to continue with that thing you got straight As in without a sweat. Everything is a big deal at 16 :D Didn't help I was in a highly academically focussed school trying to stream candidates to Oxbridge :/ 20/20 Hindsight is a strange lens to view the past through sometimes :D
[03:40:34] <Bytram> juggs: I hear you loud and clear -- them's tough words to take at the age and in those conditions.
[03:41:02] <Bytram> what? You want me to give up on the one thing I am *really* good at? are you out of your mind?
[03:44:49] <Bytram> it's about time for me to hit the hay.
[03:44:56] <Bytram> hope you all have a good night!
[03:45:45] <juggs> They were right though. I've run into it in working life too, I'll be trying to beat some data into making sense, I have an idea how I want to analyse it and knock up some vague statistical graph stuff that kinda plots what I want to show. Collar one of the BI or statisticians for a chinwag at the coffee dispensary - in 10 minutes they look at what I'm trying to do and ~jedi-something-do-it-this-way-you-dimwit~ magic hapens.
[03:45:58] <Bytram> I pushed through some stories this PM so we're covered until the last hits at around 08:45 UTC.
[03:45:58] <juggs> sleep well Bytram
[03:46:06] <Bytram> juggs: and the same to you...
[03:46:17] <Bytram> juggs: wait... ur in the uK?
[03:46:31] <juggs> yeh... don't ask
[03:46:42] <Bytram> it's 03:45 AM!! Go To Bed!!
[03:47:03] * Bytram did not ask
[03:47:06] <Bytram> =)
[03:47:07] <juggs> worry about yourself, I'm fine
[03:47:22] <SpallsHurgenson> http://www.theregister.co.uk Oh, Strayla.
[03:47:23] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Australia's (current) PM Tony Abbott again calls for metadata trove laws to pass, ASAP • The Register
[03:47:32] <Bytram> just had to put on my 'mom' hat for a moment -- you're worth taking care of, ya' hear?
[03:47:48] <Bytram> toodles
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[03:50:06] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, seems like an orchestrated move. Had some Lords try and ramrod similar into a bill here the last few days. I can only think they knew it would not pass muster but it would soften us up for the alternative proposition in a few months.
[03:50:51] <juggs> This stuff is transparent if you pay attention. But the vast majority do not have the time or inclination to do so.
[03:58:58] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah, but who wants to pay attention to Australians?
[04:00:32] <LancePodstrong> the sleeping time approaches
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[04:00:37] <juggs> We all should as we are seeing these PTB working in concert. It's like watching several nations in lockstep.
[04:03:20] <juggs> Although I had to laugh when Obama looked a little askance when Cameron suggested all encryption needs doing away with or a door for spooks provided. Talk about putting the genie back in the bottle... it'll be be key escrow next :D
[04:20:59] <SpallsHurgenson> http://arstechnica.com
[04:20:59] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03One year in, it’s still Steve Ballmer’s Microsoft—Satya Nadella just runs it | Ars Technica
[04:45:21] <juggs> Canny
[04:50:29] <juggs> I don't see Ballmer would have gone for the "give it away for free" option. If Nadella carries on MS is going to be a services rather than product company. Corp licensing is going to take a while longer to unpick. But that seems to the path Nadella is going. I'm not an MS user or fan but I think it's moving the right way. Away from the dinosaur licensing model into services and addons.
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[05:09:55] <chromas> microtransactions
[05:10:46] <chromas> "Backing up files. ETA 5 hours. Speed this up with 500 Ballmer Points"
[05:39:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Android Adware 'Infects Millions' of Phones and Tablets - http://sylnt.us - costly-freeware
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[06:52:26] <crutchy> ~time adelaide
[06:52:28] <exec> Thursday, 5 February 2015 @ 5:22 pm GMT+10:30 - Adelaide SA
[07:02:05] <crutchy> http://www.infoworld.com
[07:02:05] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03PHP 7 moves full speed ahead | InfoWorld
[07:04:21] <ar> did they actually fix it?
[07:04:24] <ar> i guess not
[07:05:09] <crutchy> i heard from a guy at work that it may be faster than hhvm
[07:06:10] <crutchy> php++
[07:06:10] <Bender> karma - php: 9
[07:06:46] <ar> php--
[07:06:46] <Bender> karma - php: 8
[07:07:05] <crutchy> pascal++
[07:07:05] <Bender> karma - pascal: 52
[07:07:06] <ar> php-- # for being inconsistent
[07:07:06] <Bender> karma - php: 7
[07:07:16] <ar> php-- # for being bug-ridden
[07:07:16] <Bender> karma - php: 6
[07:07:33] <ar> php-- # for having "amusing" corner cases everywhere
[07:07:33] <Bender> karma - php: 5
[07:07:34] <crutchy> you're describing every language (except pascal of course)
[07:08:08] <ar> crutchy: pascal is just a fractal of bad habits
[07:08:15] <crutchy> nonsense
[07:08:21] <ar> crutchy: and no, php is especially guilty here
[07:08:37] <crutchy> more nonsense
[07:08:45] <ar> besides, pascal sucks. you should move to the enlightend land of LISP
[07:09:08] <crutchy> any language without strong typing sucks
[07:10:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mississippi Leads the Nation in Vaccination Rates - http://sylnt.us - sticking-it-to-diseases
[07:10:21] <ar> calling anything with direct memory access through pointers a strong typed language is hypocrisy
[07:10:56] <crutchy> you're apparently unfamiliar with pascal
[07:11:09] <ar> i've had it at high school
[07:11:25] <ar> and i moved on
[07:11:33] <crutchy> right. unfamiliar :p
[07:11:51] <ar> being familiar with it made me want to forget it
[07:11:57] <ar> (which i did)
[07:12:11] <crutchy> haha. not too many people do that
[07:13:13] <crutchy> anyway, it is strong typed. it can use pointers, but it wouldn't be as awesome as c if it didn't support pointers
[07:13:20] <crutchy> it also supports typed pointers
[07:13:33] <ar> it isn't as awesome as C
[07:13:44] <crutchy> tis
[07:13:56] <ar> tis not
[07:13:58] <crutchy> even supports inline asm
[07:14:27] <ar> which is the only way to be able to do things in a sane way in it
[07:14:43] <crutchy> ooooook
[07:17:03] <ar> Pascal is to programming languages like a bowling pin is to shaving
[07:17:54] <crutchy> heh. coming from the ruby guy that doesn't hold a lot of water :p
[07:20:49] <ar> i used to write C, C++ and asm. and then i stopped giving a fuck, and decided that "to hell with cpu time. my time is more valuable"
[07:24:17] <ar> (only a bit of asm)
[07:29:32] <chromas> pascal++
[07:29:32] <chromas> delphi++
[07:29:32] <Bender> karma - pascal: 53
[07:29:33] <Bender> karma - delphi: 31
[07:32:04] <crutchy> chromas has pascal powahs
[07:32:46] <JamesNZ> chromas++
[07:32:46] <Bender> karma - chromas: 67
[07:34:10] <chromas> speaking of Python…
[07:35:58] <arti> ppffssssssshshhhssss
[07:36:16] * JamesNZ hisses
[07:38:56] <crutchy> python is for guys that like playing with their snake
[07:40:25] <crutchy> but its "the other php" so i guess it deserves a little respect
[08:07:50] <crutchy> http://www.brookings.edu
[08:07:51] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03America's Advanced Industries: What They Are, Where They Are, and Why They Matter | Brookings Institution
[08:09:11] <ar> php-- # for trying to continue on errors, which often leads to security problems
[08:09:11] <Bender> karma - php: 4
[08:10:03] <ar> php-- # for not having a reliable way to catch errors in application
[08:10:03] <Bender> karma - php: 3
[08:11:26] <crutchy> it does. you're just unaware of it
[08:12:22] <crutchy> ~php set_error_handler
[08:12:23] <exec> mixed set_error_handler( callable $error_handler [, int $error_types = E_ALL | E_STRICT] )
[08:12:24] <exec> http://php.net
[08:12:33] <crutchy> ~php set_exception_handler
[08:12:34] <exec> callable set_exception_handler( callable $exception_handler )
[08:12:34] <exec> http://php.net
[08:13:23] <crutchy> there's also try...catch
[08:13:37] <crutchy> but the handlers are way cooler :)
[08:16:27] <ar> crutchy: the set_error_handler doesn't get called in all cases
[08:21:33] <crutchy> depends on a few things. like php.ini setting and use of suppressor
[08:22:09] <crutchy> flexibility++
[08:22:09] <Bender> karma - flexibility: 1
[08:22:52] <crutchy> some functions return errors in results
[08:23:01] <crutchy> lots of different ways of handling errors
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[08:47:10] <Subsentient> ahh crap
[08:47:34] <crutchy> Subsentient, s/c/f/
[08:47:35] <sedctl> <crutchy> <Subsentient> ahh frap
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[08:47:51] <Subsentient> $beer crutchy
[08:47:51] * aqu4 gives crutchy a cold can of beer
[08:48:07] <crutchy> ~gday Subsentient :)
[08:48:09] * exec cohesively flings a coffee++ mug of coffee at Subsentient :)
[08:49:06] <crutchy> anyone knows if there's gunna be anything interesting for #altslashdot anniversary?
[08:49:14] <crutchy> like a mass orgy
[08:49:41] <chromas> manbewbs galore
[08:50:12] * crutchy heads back to the pile
[08:50:37] <crutchy> they took err jerbs!!
[08:50:54] <chromas> Wow, we had 2,602 users on February 21
[08:51:12] <crutchy> in #soylent
[08:51:19] <chromas> on the site
[08:51:34] <crutchy> wow. that's one hellava honeymoon
[08:51:53] <crutchy> well, unless you're someone like twatstock
[08:52:00] <crutchy> hmm
[08:52:08] <crutchy> http://www.twatstock.com
[08:52:08] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03ERROR: The requested URL could not be retrieved
[08:52:11] <crutchy> lol
[08:52:11] <ciri> hehehe
[08:53:19] <chromas> ooh, bot should detect errors and turn the text bright red with bold and ALL CAPS
[08:53:36] <chromas> no code for blinky though
[08:54:01] <crutchy> with 'you have performed an illegal operation and will be raided by the federal bureau of incest'
[08:55:17] <chromas> aw, there's only a Federal Bureau of Invest
[08:55:41] <chromas> in Ohio
[08:56:09] <chromas> ciri: Ohio
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[09:02:04] <crutchy> ciri: ohio gozimus
[09:06:01] <K_benzoate> power level: over 9000
[09:06:39] <crutchy> waffle power?
[09:06:50] * crutchy wishes he had 9000 waffle power
[09:11:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Acoustic-Gravity Waves in the Deep - http://sylnt.us - sounds-weighty
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[09:50:37] <crutchy> coffee++
[09:50:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1027
[09:50:38] <crutchy> ++coffee
[09:50:38] <Hedonismbot> Karma - coffee: 252
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[11:13:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - RIP Windows RT: MSFT Pulls Plug on ARM Surface, Nokia Tablets - http://sylnt.us - consolidation-or-change-of-direction?
[11:17:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:17:14] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1028
[11:18:23] <Leebert> I can't remember; do "Spam" mods get automatically reviewed or does someone need to complain about misuse? Because, although this comment is stupid, it's not spam: http://soylentnews.org
[11:18:24] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN comment by Anonymous Coward
[11:19:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> Leebert, automatically no. i've been manually reviewing the only one we've had up until that one
[11:19:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> cheers for the point out though
[11:20:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, that was a clear abuse
[11:21:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> and since dude makes a habit of -1 Disagree, poof to banville
[11:29:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> only other one we've had is https://soylentnews.org
[11:29:08] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN comment by Anonymous Coward
[11:37:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh, where'd my mod points go overnight?
[11:39:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> weird, maybe i used em but i don't remember doing so.
[11:40:55] * TheMightyBuzzard scratches his head
[11:41:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> log shows i only used two of em but db shows zero points left for me.
[11:42:12] * TheMightyBuzzard sighs
[11:42:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> i hate bugs that hit while i'm on vacation
[12:17:28] <Leebert> TheMightyBuzzard: Thanks.
[12:25:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather
[12:25:18] <exec> Weather for Ada, OK, USA - currently 23°F / -5°C, clear, wind N at 8 mph, humidity 86% - Thursday partly cloudy (30°F-41°F / -1°C-5°C), Friday clear (39°F-61°F / 4°C-16°C), Saturday partly cloudy (41°F-73°F / 5°C-23°C), Sunday partly cloudy (39°F-73°F / 4°C-23°C) - source: Google
[12:25:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> fookin cold
[12:44:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - California Might Eliminate Exemptions to Vaccination Requirements - http://sylnt.us - think-of-the-children
[12:54:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://twitter.com
[12:54:16] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Politics and Humor on Twitter: "The Media's Guide to Protesters http://t.co"
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[14:47:39] <LancePodstrong> found this link in the story linked to in Not a very pc ting to say... so what
[14:47:42] <LancePodstrong> http://www.michiganreview.com
[14:47:44] <LancePodstrong> it's amazing
[14:47:45] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Do the Left Thing | Michigan Review
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[15:16:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Time Magazine Reprints Philip K. Dick Letter - http://sylnt.us - mr-blade-runner
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[15:20:16] <Chief_Piggum> Hi everybody!
[15:21:14] <LancePodstrong> morning
[15:21:44] <LancePodstrong> i just realized we need new P.C. greetings
[15:21:47] <LancePodstrong> it's not morning everywhere
[15:21:50] <Chief_Piggum> Those Fascist Nazis want to make vaccinations mandatory in California.
[15:21:53] <LancePodstrong> that was very murica centric of me
[15:22:12] <Chief_Piggum> Barabara Boxer and Dianne Feinsteain are treasonous fifth-columnists.
[15:22:40] <Chief_Piggum> Pushing big pharma's poisons on people and then fleecing them for the bill.
[15:22:50] <LancePodstrong> was it on soylent or reddit i read this morning about mississippi? one of the few things the7y lead the nation in is vaccinations, because they dont' have philosophical or religious exemptions, only medical. 99.7% vax rate
[15:23:13] <Chief_Piggum> California is a cancer with a bigger cancer -- the United States of America.
[15:23:48] <Chief_Piggum> Lance, that's because if vaccines caused brain-damage, you couldn't tell the difference anyway.
[15:24:00] <Chief_Piggum> People in Mississippi being who they are.
[15:25:06] <LancePodstrong> makes sense
[15:25:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn, we need an editor. nothing queued.
[15:25:50] <LancePodstrong> what does editing entail
[15:26:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> reading a submission, correcting for grammar/punctuation/spelling, checking links. mostly anyway.
[15:27:17] <LancePodstrong> hrs/day
[15:27:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> whatever you can manage
[15:28:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> check if the queue needs more stories a few times a day mostly. most submissions don't need a lot of editing.
[15:28:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> cept crutchy's.
[15:28:24] <LancePodstrong> what happens to a story once it lands in the queue?
[15:28:40] <LancePodstrong> and does it need 2 editors approval to get in the queue do i recall?
[15:29:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> once two editors sign off on it, it goes out whenever they scheduled it to.
[15:29:49] <LancePodstrong> what are some situations where one might choose to delay a story, and for how long. why wouldn't it go out right away?
[15:29:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> mostly they try to fill holes in our submission rate so we have a constant flow of stuff without it all being jumbled together.
[15:30:28] <LancePodstrong> what rate do you shoot for
[15:30:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> so if it's not time critical, they delay it to when we're slow
[15:30:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> me, i like about one or two an hour. it's really up to what gets submitted though. we have busy and slow days.
[15:31:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> but then i'm not an editor, just a dev.
[15:31:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> spose i'm an admin too really since paulej72 keeps giving me more and more uber powers.
[15:32:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> lot of the editors will dip into the rss bot channel when we're really slow and make up a quick sub or three out of what's there too.
[15:35:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you're interested, get in touch with LaminatorX here or email him
[15:35:21] <LancePodstrong> if you want i'll give it a shot for a week, and stick around if it works well for all parties involved. although i let my standards slide on irc i'm good with written english and have been thinking about getting into the editing or writing field. this would be good practice, give me good feedback from others on technique, and possibly look good on a resume. it's all volunteer right
[15:36:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, all volunteer.
[15:36:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> hang on lemme look up his @soylentnews contact address
[15:39:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like editors@SoylentNews.org will get you there. if you don't get a reply within a day try mrcoolbp@soylentnews.org
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[15:41:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> if neither reply let me know and i'll start prodding buttocks with my boot
[15:41:45] <LancePodstrong> okee dokee thanks
[15:43:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, one more thing editors do. they reject submissions like this one: https://soylentnews.org!
[15:43:56] <Hedonismbot> ^ 0304SN Submission by The Thick Blue Club: Don't Like Beatings? Don't be a Criminal!
[15:45:32] <LancePodstrong> hahahahaha that's pretty bad
[15:47:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> insane rants do not make for good submissions, yeah.
[16:21:02] <arti> yes they do!
[16:21:08] <arti> just make it about diversity
[16:21:11] <arti> or vaccinations
[16:21:30] <Cyprus> oh no, insane rants are great reads, especially the comments
[16:24:58] <arti> "women are people"
[16:25:16] <arti> "if we do that, where do we draw the line?"
[16:25:38] <arti> "i think we can solve world hunger with bricks"
[16:28:04] <arti> morning / evening
[16:29:45] <LancePodstrong> if women are people pretty soon we have to start counting midgets too
[16:29:53] <LancePodstrong> i don't think anyone wants that
[16:30:34] <arti> sure we do, they're immensely popular
[16:36:05] <Cyprus> It always degrades into someone repeating "A Modest Proposal" except they're serious
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[17:29:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://www.spiked-online.com
[17:29:27] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Free Speech University Rankings! - a spiked campaign
[17:30:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> naps++
[17:30:26] <Bender> karma - naps: 11
[17:47:21] <LancePodstrong> https://www.youtube.com
[17:47:21] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Tinkerbell Jihad - YouTube
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[18:05:53] <SirFinkus> lol TMB submitting trollbait articles again?
[18:05:54] <ciri> hahaha
[18:10:31] <SirFinkus> {{db|insufferable cunt}}
[18:11:05] <SirFinkus> oh wait
[18:11:06] <SirFinkus> {{db-g1}}
[18:11:11] <SirFinkus> that's what we want
[18:18:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Wikipedia's Gender Problem has Finally been Quantified - http://sylnt.us - malamanteau
[18:28:27] <LancePodstrong> ffs
[19:00:12] <SirFinkus> my attitude in general
[19:23:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, could be but not necessarily. that one's one you can take either direction as you like.
[19:23:20] <SirFinkus> of course
[19:23:22] * SirFinkus winks
[19:24:33] <SirFinkus> I found a bug in my microwave
[19:25:04] <SirFinkus> setting the timer while it's still running causes it to insist you open the door first
[19:25:08] <SirFinkus> err
[19:25:11] <SirFinkus> that the door is open
[19:27:33] <Azrael> SirFinkus: run the micro for a few minutes, that should kill the bug - unless it escapes while the door is open
[19:28:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyone else here always start reading Oxford as a hexadecimal value before their English learning kicks in and tells them it's not?
[19:37:47] <SirFinkus> not that nerdy yet
[19:37:58] <SirFinkus> but I get the joke
[19:38:13] <SirFinkus> I use websters anyway
[19:39:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> it gets me every time
[19:40:37] <SirFinkus> today's unhealthy meal: bacon egg and cheese sandwich
[19:43:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, that's awful. it's entirely missing the beer food group.
[19:44:27] <SirFinkus> well, that was implied
[19:44:52] <SirFinkus> it's like mentioning that I cooked the eggs before eating them
[19:44:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> fair nuff.
[19:45:25] <SirFinkus> just one IPA, it's lunchtime
[19:45:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> put some grilled onions on it and you're covered on vegetables.
[19:46:27] <SirFinkus> are hops considered a vegetable? because if so, I'm covered
[19:46:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think they're considered more an herb or spice
[19:46:54] <SirFinkus> hmm
[19:48:06] <SirFinkus> so I'm seeing flower on wikipedia, and noting that broccoli is a vegetable
[19:48:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> me, i lurve me some jalapeno avocado bacon cheeseburgers. they're just expensive most places.
[19:48:16] <SirFinkus> hops are flowers
[19:48:31] <SirFinkus> therefore they are a vegetable
[19:48:53] <SirFinkus> not a fan of jalapenos on a burger
[19:49:03] <SirFinkus> most other places
[19:49:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'good. gotta have em or the avocado over-cools the burger.
[19:50:16] <SirFinkus> but the jalapenos overpower the beef flavor
[19:51:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, make sure they're on the top half of the burger and it takes a few chews before you even taste them.
[19:51:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> i is sorely disappointed in my napping skills today. only got an hour n a half in.
[19:52:43] <LancePodstrong> i looove jalapenos on burgers, and sandwiches in general
[19:53:57] <SirFinkus> they're ok, but only if the meat is mediocre
[20:05:08] * TheMightyBuzzard argues on twitter
[20:13:23] <arti> serrano!
[20:50:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Capital One Analysts Charged for Database Mining for Personal Profit - http://sylnt.us - information-wants-to-be-expensive
[21:01:00] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[21:01:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> Think I made a SJW cry.
[21:03:01] <LancePodstrong> ;0
[21:04:01] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[21:04:01] <Bender> karma - tea: 390
[21:04:02] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[21:04:03] <Bender> karma - tea: 391
[21:04:17] <crutchy> coffee++
[21:04:17] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1029
[21:04:17] <crutchy> ++coffee
[21:04:17] <Hedonismbot> Karma - coffee: 254
[21:04:26] <JamesNZ> --coffee
[21:04:26] <Hedonismbot> Karma - coffee: 253
[21:05:55] <LancePodstrong> naps++
[21:05:55] <Bender> karma - naps: 12
[21:07:32] <crutchy> went to bed early last night. got my full 8 hrs
[21:07:42] <crutchy> must be summin wrong :p
[21:08:17] <LancePodstrong> i didthat and was still sleepy
[21:08:24] <LancePodstrong> the dog is rubbing off on me
[21:09:00] <crutchy> give him a big shhloppy kiss
[21:09:49] <crutchy> i'm sure tama would have some advice about dogs, but its caged up in #
[21:10:22] <crutchy> <tama> dogs are fond of bread and potatoes
[21:10:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> i got eight hours last night but naps are still awesome
[21:11:32] <crutchy> naps are awesome, but often i wake up from them with a headache
[21:11:44] <LancePodstrong> naps a nd dogs are both awesome
[21:11:51] <LancePodstrong> especially naps with dogs
[21:11:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> why the shit do SJWs not get that they're just garden-variety trolls and us fuckers who've survived /. or the chans are going to eat their asses for breakfast every time?
[21:12:06] <crutchy> dogfart++
[21:12:06] <Bender> karma - dogfart: 1
[21:12:35] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, call them socialists
[21:12:44] <crutchy> :D
[21:12:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, they'd just agree mostly
[21:13:05] <crutchy> oh that's bad
[21:13:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mostly just make em explain their argument in detail and prove their statements.
[21:13:26] <LancePodstrong> socialists and SJWs are overlapping subsets for sure
[21:13:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> fucks them right up
[21:14:15] <crutchy> feck i gotta go to workipoos
[21:14:18] <crutchy> tgif
[21:14:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha!
[21:14:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> enjoy
[21:14:37] * TheMightyBuzzard gets his unemployed bumness on
[21:14:48] <LancePodstrong> i'm also really rockin this winter slow period
[21:14:54] <LancePodstrong> i've worked 3 days in the last 2 weeks
[21:15:24] <LancePodstrong> more money would be nice but.... i've played a lot of diablo2 and taken a lot of glorious naps lately
[21:15:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, low blood sugar. i must have forgotten to eat lunch.
[21:15:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmmmm.... D2....
[21:16:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> torchlight1&2 would have been epic replacements cept i dislike steampunk.
[21:17:09] <LancePodstrong> the friend i'm playing d2 with tried to get me to play torchlight instead
[21:17:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> made by a lot of the same guys. same music composer even.
[21:17:28] <LancePodstrong> i don't know anything about it except that it costs $20 and when i'm working as much as i am right now that's a lot to spend on recreation
[21:18:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> believe i'll head off in search of a sammich n a coke.
[21:19:59] <LancePodstrong> how do we see the latest uid again?
[21:21:01] <geotti> compiling_shit_on_raspberry--
[21:21:02] <Bender> karma - compiling_shit_on_raspberry: -1
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[21:23:53] <LancePodstrong> might as well compile the kernel on a gameboy color
[21:27:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~uid
[21:27:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> when exec is here anyway
[21:34:23] * geotti is too lazy to set up a qemu environment
[21:34:43] <geotti> besides, dd-ing an image to the sd card probably takes just as long
[21:35:01] <geotti> (forever)
[21:35:43] <LancePodstrong> yeah maybe once you factor in the time setting up qemu. although you can buy some pretty fast sd cards these days
[22:52:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Exhibition of Bletchley Park Artifacts Includes Turing Documents Used to Fix Drafty Ceiling - http://sylnt.us - smart-chain
[23:09:46] <LancePodstrong> cannabis++
[23:09:46] <Bender> karma - cannabis: 3
[23:26:08] <geotti> cannabis++
[23:26:08] <Bender> karma - cannabis: 4
[23:26:17] <geotti> lsd++
[23:26:17] <Bender> karma - lsd: 4
[23:27:24] <geotti> setting up qemu is as easy as brew install qemu
[23:27:44] <geotti> setting up that raspi vm though...
[23:31:31] <LancePodstrong> that sucks
[23:31:42] <LancePodstrong> i tried qemu for the first time the other day and i thought it was cool
[23:31:53] <LancePodstrong> i set it up to run some windows code that i thought didn't work in wine
[23:32:01] <LancePodstrong> turns out it didn't work in windows either, it's just broken
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