#Soylent | Logs for 2015-02-04
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[00:16:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mining the Moon - http://sylnt.us - find-a-new-world-and-spoil-it
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[01:28:46] <BadCoderFinger> Hey guys
[01:31:47] <juggs> hola BadCoderFinger
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[01:33:30] <juggs> g'day crutchy
[01:33:30] <ciri> hi juggs
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[01:33:48] <SoyGuest37903> g'day
[01:33:49] <ciri> hi i'm happy today! :D SoyGuest37903
[01:33:56] <SoyGuest37903> i love you ciri
[01:34:07] <BadCoderFinger> Hey juggs, how's it going?
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[01:34:48] <juggs> BadCoderFinger, not bad thanks. How about you?
[01:34:51] <BadCoderFinger> crutchy: Aw, you ruined your clever disguise!
[01:35:48] <BadCoderFinger> juggs: Better today, work is switching email servers. Incomprehensibly, _TO_ exchange/outlook. The silver lining is they're leaving IMAP on, so I can use mutt.
[01:35:52] <crutchy> noticed ncommander is still undercover
[01:36:07] <juggs> undercover?
[01:36:34] <crutchy> soycowered
[01:36:43] <BadCoderFinger> Covered in soy?
[01:36:53] <juggs> BadCoderFinger, a lot of people seem actually like outlook :/
[01:36:56] <BadCoderFinger> That will stain.
[01:37:29] * crutchy has started using outlook's task list/todo features. seems to work pretty well after you customize the crap out of it
[01:37:47] <BadCoderFinger> juggs: Heh, yeah. My fingers just know vim, so when I'm composing an email and hit escape, I lose the stupid message.
[01:38:23] <BadCoderFinger> But exchange? Even the exchange admins hate it.
[01:38:52] <juggs> Not had to admin exchange since the late 90s thankfully
[01:39:59] <BadCoderFinger> In any case, I'm happy about getting to use mutt.
[01:40:36] <crutchy> luckily no exchange here. all the company email addresses managed by the isp
[01:41:02] <crutchy> only about 50 or so though. not a huge company
[01:41:43] <BadCoderFinger> crutchy: Heh, I dumped out the email DB today before the cutover.
[01:41:55] <BadCoderFinger> 400 people, so manageable.
[01:42:31] * crutchy prefers working for small companies
[01:43:19] <BadCoderFinger> This one is just about as big as I like to go. They can't really do layoffs, and they're big enough to be stable.
[01:43:25] * crutchy is trying to get exec going from work using a clone of the github repo
[01:44:48] <crutchy> gotta set up a vbox share in fstab
[01:45:45] <crutchy> sourcetree++
[01:45:45] <Bender> karma - sourcetree: 6
[01:46:55] <crutchy> derp. why does bootup take so long if an nfs mount is inaccessible?
[01:47:09] <crutchy> is there a setting for that?
[01:47:25] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, I think there is a timeout.
[01:47:34] <BadCoderFinger> TCP or the older UDP?
[01:47:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Uber vs. Google: The Race to Monetize Autonomous Vehicles - http://sylnt.us - not-having-to-listen-to-cabbies
[01:48:40] <crutchy> can't remember. i think the contents of my fstab is in the scrollback for this channel a couple of days ago. i'm on hexchat in windows so not my normal
[01:48:51] <crutchy> it'll boot eventually :p
[01:50:32] <crutchy> haven't got any tcp/udp settings, so i guess whatever the default is
[01:51:23] <BadCoderFinger> Probably UDP then. If it's on the local net, then set the timeout pretty small.
[01:53:45] <crutchy> feck. did a mount -a for the vbox share... now i gotta wait for the nfs to timeout again :p
[01:54:14] <BadCoderFinger> Heh, ouch man!
[01:59:23] <crutchy> bugger. got the mount working but i forgot to copy the data and passwords directory from the nas at home. oh well.
[01:59:40] <paulej72> crutchy: try rebooting with a nfs mount down. it takes forever. I need to find that timeout and change it.
[02:00:45] <crutchy> i think i've seen something to do with timeout in man nfs now that i think about it. never occurred to me i could get around the boot thing though :p
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[02:06:08] <crutchy> anyway. better get back to work
[02:06:12] <crutchy> catch yas later
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[02:50:21] <SpallsHurgenson> heh, http://techcrunch.com
[02:50:22] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Study: Facebook Can Cause Depression | TechCrunch
[02:51:21] <BadCoderFinger> Hey Spalls, how are you?
[02:51:50] <SpallsHurgenson> well, I've just been checking my facebook account, so...
[02:53:00] <BadCoderFinger> Feeling a bit down?
[02:53:14] <BadCoderFinger> Try Friendface instead!
[02:53:39] <SpallsHurgenson> bah, geocities for life!
[02:55:21] <BadCoderFinger> HA!
[02:56:21] * chromas clicks the rotating thumbsup.gif Like button
[02:56:39] <SpallsHurgenson> oooh, soylentnews needs that!
[02:57:05] <chromas> the mod labels could have icons
[02:57:33] <chromas> Disagree could have a horsehead
[02:57:38] <chromas> "-1, No sir, I didn't like it"
[02:57:46] <BadCoderFinger> Also, could the bad mods say "Ouch" when they get pressed? That would be cool.
[02:58:12] <SpallsHurgenson> too complicated; just make it a single option ("Like"). We don't want to confuse the audience :)
[02:58:49] <BadCoderFinger> Heh!
[02:59:54] <SpallsHurgenson> and those stories are too technical too. Can we get more stuff about kitties and top-40 songs? The kids are into that these days
[03:01:02] <BadCoderFinger> "-1 Don't be Hatin'"
[03:02:46] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, and that WhatsApp thing is chartin' high. I dunno what it is, but can we somehow get WhatsApp functionality integrated into soylent?
[03:03:12] <juggs> D:<
[03:04:03] <SpallsHurgenson> right, right, we need emoji support too!
[03:05:03] <BadCoderFinger> You know, quite honestly, I don't even know what WhatsApp is. I figure with a name like that, I don't need to know.
[03:06:08] <SpallsHurgenson> ~define whatsapp
[03:06:34] <SpallsHurgenson> !define whatsapp
[03:06:46] <juggs> messaging app owned by facebook (if I remember correctly)
[03:07:07] <SpallsHurgenson> oooh, juggs is our new bot :)
[03:08:50] <LancePodstrong> i believe whatsapp is a phone/sms replacement thing over internet so you can free call/msg people around the world
[03:08:59] <LancePodstrong> runs on mobiles on your data plan
[03:09:12] <LancePodstrong> fb bought them after they got popular
[03:09:42] <BadCoderFinger> Hrm, it might have been useful before FB bought them, then.
[03:10:04] <SpallsHurgenson> so what makes it better than the other 50,000 instant messaging services?
[03:11:40] <chromas> momentum
[03:11:46] <chromas> just like fb
[03:12:01] <BadCoderFinger> Heh, probably the same thing that differentiates a religion from a cult: Millions of followers.
[03:13:49] <SpallsHurgenson> I dunno, cults need to have a charismatic leader... there are a lot of things people call Zuckerberg, but I don't think "charismatic" is one of them
[03:15:04] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, that's a fair point.
[03:16:11] <SpallsHurgenson> oops, did I make a point? sorry about that, I try to avoid those :)
[03:16:27] <BadCoderFinger> Stay off those logic pages!
[03:18:12] <SpallsHurgenson> excuse me sir, but I don't #DO# logic!
[03:18:36] <SpallsHurgenson> I mean, really! Never have I been so insulted!
[03:18:52] <BadCoderFinger> Heh!
[03:22:07] <SpallsHurgenson> well, actually, I have been so insulted before... worse, often. Lots of four-letter words and aspersions to my odd sexual habits, in fact. But that's not the point. Logic, me?
[03:27:41] <LancePodstrong> i just tried linphone for the first time yesterday
[03:27:54] <LancePodstrong> i ghave a static ip so didn't need an account or anything just a generic sip client
[03:28:00] <LancePodstrong> but it's a nice client for android
[03:28:11] <LancePodstrong> had my friend call me on it while we played diablo 2 :)
[03:28:31] <SpallsHurgenson> yes... but it's phone software. for <shudder> TALKING to people
[03:28:33] <chromas> diablo2++
[03:28:33] <Bender> karma - diablo2: 2
[03:29:15] <LancePodstrong> i didn't know how cool pf was in openbsd
[03:29:30] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah?
[03:29:48] <LancePodstrong> i have an openbsd box on my network with a static outward facing ip, it's not doing NAT, there's another ip for the router doing NAT for everything that doesn't need a st atic ip
[03:29:56] <LancePodstrong> and it can NAT specific ports
[03:30:17] <BadCoderFinger> Nifty
[03:30:17] <LancePodstrong> so my friend directs his SIP client to the openbsd box and it forwards the traffic to my android phone's 192.xxx address
[03:30:24] <LancePodstrong> same thing with diablo
[03:30:33] <LancePodstrong> it's handy because that box has a domain
[03:30:36] <LancePodstrong> people can SIP my domain name
[03:30:45] <LancePodstrong> have it go to my android
[03:32:00] <LancePodstrong> i have another netbook on the network doing time lapse webcam photogrpahy and i can access it on the outside world the same way, connecting to that domain at a specific port (8081) and it forwards to the netbook port 80
[03:34:35] <SpallsHurgenson> all my computer is used for is to download and display pornography, 'round the clock, 7 days a week, 365 days a year
[03:34:41] <SpallsHurgenson> but perhaps I've said too much
[03:35:02] <SirFinkus> hopefully your os has good multi-monitor support
[03:35:41] <LancePodstrong> hahahaha
[03:36:00] <SpallsHurgenson> oh yeah, I'm sporting a 10-inch amber monochrome!
[03:37:40] <SirFinkus> congrats, but you might want to see a doctor about the color
[03:49:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Game Theory Says Pete Carroll’s Super Bowl Call at Goal Line Is Defensible - http://sylnt.us - [not]-everything-works-in-[game]-theory
[03:53:49] <chromas> multihead++
[03:53:49] <Bender> karma - multihead: 2
[03:55:38] <SirFinkus> any nethack nerds want to make a submission?
[03:55:40] <SirFinkus> https://www.reddit.com
[03:55:40] <Hedonismbot> ^* 03YAAP: full-auto bot ascension (BotHack) : nethack
[03:55:54] <SirFinkus> this is neat as fuck, but I don't know enough about nethack to write a proper summary
[03:57:53] <LancePodstrong> i have a submission that says accepted in my profile, but doesn't show up anywhere in the queue, pending stories, or the front page
[03:58:07] <LancePodstrong> http://soylentnews.org
[03:58:07] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN article: A Forest Dilemma: What Will Grow in a Changing Climate? 04(0 comments)
[03:58:46] <LancePodstrong> what's the scoop there?
[04:22:17] <juggs> Looks like it's had its first editor (martyb) look at it and save it and is now waiting for 2nd editor review and release to be published.
[04:24:51] <juggs> LancePodstrong ^^
[04:28:44] <LancePodstrong> ok cool thanks for the info
[04:28:55] <LancePodstrong> i have no idea how things work here i've only submitted a few and never noticed that before
[04:33:05] <SirFinkus> https://twitter.com
[04:33:06] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03刀 on Twitter: "行車紀錄器的截圖在此，天啊我現在可以看著我同事我覺得好萬幸，幸好她沒事！！！！#復興航空B2286墜毀 http://t.co"
[04:33:13] <SirFinkus> anyone find the video yet?
[04:33:26] <SirFinkus> there's 1 shitty one on youtube
[04:47:33] <SpallsHurgenson> kitty loves that nethack video
[04:48:33] <SpallsHurgenson> cat just attacked @ with her paw :)
[04:50:33] <JamesNZ> How bad are the injuries? :o
[04:55:57] <SpallsHurgenson> I never liked nethack
[05:02:57] <SirFinkus> I tried a few times
[05:03:03] <SirFinkus> I respect the hell of out it though
[05:03:10] <swiss> ^
[05:03:33] <SirFinkus> dwarf fortress on the other hand
[05:03:44] <SirFinkus> when I first played that I didn't bathe or eat for a week
[05:03:50] <SirFinkus> it got a little out of hand
[05:04:05] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, Dwarf Fortress will consume you.
[05:04:39] <swiss> i haven't played df
[05:04:42] <swiss> mostly for that reason
[05:05:08] <BadCoderFinger> If you're a programmer and you can write Intercal, DF might be something to try, heh!
[05:05:57] <SirFinkus> the controls are like vi
[05:11:54] <pbnjoe> tons of fun
[05:12:20] <pbnjoe> was planning on playing soon, actually, heh
[05:12:39] <BadCoderFinger> It's fun to play, but don't get used to the idea of winning. Or even making progress for a long time.
[05:13:38] <LancePodstrong> i hate vi
[05:13:53] <LancePodstrong> export EDITOR=nano goes into .profile first thing
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[05:14:21] <pbnjoe> Yeah, there's no win condition except for what you consider your goal with the fort to be, and when I first started taking interest in DF I watched Captnduck a lot
[05:14:36] <pbnjoe> So that helped
[05:15:44] <SirFinkus> well, winning never has been the point of roguelikes imo
[05:15:52] <BadCoderFinger> That's true.
[05:16:08] <pbnjoe> yeah
[05:16:14] <SirFinkus> I've put hundreds of hours into DCSS, never beat it though
[05:16:20] <SirFinkus> it's more fun to fuck around
[05:16:55] <SirFinkus> but the bot ascension on nethack is neat
[05:19:29] <pbnjoe> dwarffortress++
[05:19:29] <Bender> karma - dwarffortress: 1
[05:19:50] <BadCoderFinger> dwarffortress++
[05:19:50] <Bender> karma - dwarffortress: 2
[05:19:54] <BadCoderFinger> I'll second that!
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[05:20:15] <pbnjoe> :)
[05:20:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How to Survive a Halon Discharge - http://sylnt.us - don't-want-to-be-supressed
[05:22:11] <swiss> irish_rootbeer++
[05:22:11] <Bender> karma - irish_rootbeer: 1
[05:23:05] <SirFinkus> isn't that just beer?
[05:23:33] <BadCoderFinger> Heh!
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[05:44:22] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[05:44:22] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03直擊復興民航機失事撞擊高架橋畫面曝光 - YouTube
[05:44:42] <arti> turboprop plane that crash-landed into a river outside Taiwan's capital Taipei in New Taipei City on February 4, 2015.
[05:44:42] <SirFinkus> well done
[05:44:45] <SirFinkus> arty
[05:44:47] <SirFinkus> arti
[05:44:56] <SirFinkus> sucks to be the guy in the yellow car
[05:44:57] <arti> arty is good too, kicks butts
[05:45:09] <arti> "this is why friends don't let friends Uber"
[05:45:21] <arti> Paid by the Coalition for Taxi Services
[05:45:35] <arti> s/Paid/Paid for/
[05:45:35] <sedctl> <arti> Paid for by the Coalition for Taxi Services
[05:46:06] <arti> wonder if it's covered by insurance
[05:46:18] <SirFinkus> naw, that's God saying "fuck you"
[05:46:38] <SirFinkus> that whole "act of god" clause always worries me
[05:46:43] <arti> > Player rolls for initiative
[05:46:45] <SirFinkus> how do you prove or disprove that?
[05:46:45] <ciri> you talking to me?
[05:46:53] <arti> !roll 1d20
[05:46:54] <ciri> arti rolls 8
[05:46:56] <arti> fek
[05:47:12] <SirFinkus> did ciri do something useful for once?
[05:47:23] <arti> .mi2km 80
[05:47:23] <ciri> Converted 80 mi => 128.824476651 km
[05:47:45] <arti> Commute: Hard Mode
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[06:30:27] <crutchy> curry++
[06:30:27] <Bender> karma - curry: 7
[06:31:40] <juggs> indeed
[06:32:50] <ar> !roll 42
[06:32:50] <ciri> ar rolls incorrectly. Try <n>d<x>[<mod>]: where <n> is number of dice, <x> is number of sides, <mod> is an expression of addition or subtraction
[06:32:57] <ar> !roll 1d42
[06:32:58] <ciri> ar rolls 21
[06:33:15] <ar> !roll 999d999
[06:33:15] <ciri> ar rolls 487829
[06:33:23] <ar> !roll 999d9999999999999999
[06:33:24] <ciri> ar rolls 315911611
[06:33:52] <ar> !roll 999d9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
[06:33:52] <ciri> ar rolls 301350929
[06:33:58] <ar> meh. it's capped?
[06:35:52] <crutchy> http://www.smh.com.au
[06:35:53] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Windows 10: Microsoft chases a slice of Raspberry Pi 2
[06:36:39] <crutchy> !roll 1+3id1e-14
[06:36:41] <ciri> crutchy rolls incorrectly. Try <n>d<x>[<mod>]: where <n> is number of dice, <x> is number of sides, <mod> is an expression of addition or subtraction
[06:41:27] <crutchy> http://www.businessinsider.com.au
[06:41:29] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03The iconic Sydney Monorail is being sold on Gumtree for less than a car | Business Insider
[06:41:40] <crutchy> from the mono-doh! dept.
[06:42:41] <chromas> misleading headline detected
[06:46:24] <crutchy> dammit. the RBA cut the interest rate. scare tactics aren't enough to bring down the aussie dollar any more :/
[06:46:44] <crutchy> http://www.smh.com.au
[06:46:45] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Three important messages in the Reserve Bank's rate cut
[07:10:51] <crutchy> http://betanews.com
[07:10:52] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03'Stop using Windows Server 2003!' says Microsoft
[07:11:07] <crutchy> from the extinguish-extinguish-extinguish dept.
[07:18:55] <ar> 'stop using windows' says microsoft
[07:21:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - UK Parliament Gives Three-"Source" IVF the Go-Ahead. - http://sylnt.us - thinking-of-the-children
[07:25:10] <crutchy> Bender, s/urc/m/
[07:25:10] <sedctl> <crutchy> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - UK Parliament Gives Three-"Some" IVF the Go-Ahead. - http://sylnt.us - thinking-of-the-children
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[08:52:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Galactic Dust Sounds Death Knell for BICEP2 Gravitational Wave Claim - http://sylnt.us - scientific-method-at-work
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[10:24:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - PeerJ Computer Science - The New Multidisciplinary Open Access Journal. - http://sylnt.us - good-fast-cheap-pick-three(?)
[11:15:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:15:11] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1025
[11:15:29] <crutchy> ++coffee
[11:15:29] <Hedonismbot> Karma - coffee: 245
[11:16:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, how went the putting exec on a server attempt?
[11:19:00] <crutchy> ke?
[11:19:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> you said something about putting it on a new box from the repo
[11:20:12] <crutchy> oh. i was just trying to make it run from my lappy
[11:20:14] <crutchy> at work
[11:20:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh
[11:20:47] <crutchy> atm (at home) it runs on my lappy, but from an nfs mount
[11:20:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh okay
[11:21:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> all makes sense now
[11:21:20] <crutchy> its craaaaazy
[11:21:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> giving you fits?
[11:21:59] <crutchy> i could just run it in a screen session on my home server, but that's no fun
[11:23:37] <crutchy> i dunno how to (securely) mount a share in a dmz
[11:24:14] <crutchy> how's the house hunting?
[11:24:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> not able to start much cept online yet and you really can't tell shat about the neighborhood like that
[11:24:54] <crutchy> true
[11:25:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> found a few nice places but it's gonna be like 10 days before i can go out there and give a look
[11:26:01] <crutchy> that's a bugger
[11:26:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, not actually doing anything but packing and winding things down until then
[11:28:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> bit worried about storing my travel trailer with my neighbor for extended periods. he's a good guy but i dunno how close an eye he can keep on it.
[11:29:54] <crutchy> my function is being a butthole :/
[11:30:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> ...
[11:30:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> beat it with a stick
[11:30:35] <crutchy> hmm. can you use a locked storage place?
[11:30:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> you hardcode a path or something?
[11:31:07] <crutchy> nah. i'm working on a sort of macro engine thingy
[11:31:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, going to for storing stuff that won't fit in the new place but you can't really find storage for a 24 foot trailer.
[11:31:43] <crutchy> oh crap yeah that might be tricky
[11:32:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> thing's huge for one person and i ripped out all the stuff that'd make it useful for more than one.
[11:32:51] <crutchy> when you say 'travel trailer' is that like a camper van? winnebago thingy?
[11:33:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, needs something to pull it
[11:33:23] <crutchy> like a caravan?
[11:33:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, what the brits would call one anyway.
[11:33:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> thought of taking up life as a pikey for a while.
[11:33:55] <crutchy> http://www.bodc.tas.gov.au
[11:34:00] <crutchy> haha
[11:34:14] <crutchy> caravans are pretty popular in straya
[11:34:19] <crutchy> lots of places to take one
[11:34:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> mine's like 30 years old but in nice shape for it.
[11:34:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, we got buttloads of land as well.
[11:35:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> some of it even pretty and without indigenous hippies.
[11:35:31] <crutchy> lots of caravan parks with powered sites
[11:35:41] <crutchy> lol
[11:35:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, most national parks around have those plus privately owned camp sites.
[11:36:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> pretty much anywhere ya can find a good amount of water you can find hookups.
[11:36:33] <crutchy> makes for fun driving during holiday seasons.... NOT@#@!
[11:36:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh
[11:37:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> hang on, lemme look up general price ranges for housing where i'm moving so i can make ya annoyed with your govt
[11:38:51] <crutchy> hah. it would have to be pretty damn good to convince me that my government is worse than yours :p
[11:39:12] <crutchy> not that its a very high bar
[11:39:29] <crutchy> most governments shit everywhere
[11:41:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> in general looking at $60-120K for a two or three bedroom home.
[11:41:43] <crutchy> that would be a dog box even in country areas here
[11:42:04] <crutchy> a fixerupper at best
[11:42:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> hehe. get you a pretty nice place here on the 120k end of things.
[11:43:04] <crutchy> though if i converted my aussie dollars to USD and went shopping over there i'd be paying a little more
[11:43:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://www.realtor.com
[11:43:17] <Hedonismbot> ^ 0380 Oxford Dr, Jackson, TN 38305 - Home For Sale and Real Estate Listing - realtor.com
[11:43:27] <crutchy> 120k might be around AU$160-odd?
[11:43:44] <crutchy> s/^/USD/
[11:43:44] <sedctl> <crutchy> USD120k might be around AU$160-odd?
[11:43:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> round about, yeah
[11:44:23] <crutchy> hmm. yeah that would still be pretty cheap here. maybe i should go buy a house over there :p
[11:44:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're getting $0.78 on the AUD right now.
[11:45:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, that's not even looking at houses on significant patches of land.
[11:45:09] <crutchy> our reserve bank is doing everything they can to scare forex traders out of the AUD
[11:45:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> like outside of town
[11:45:53] <crutchy> just making spooky statements isn;t enough any more. they had to lower interest rates to make it look shit
[11:46:08] <crutchy> not sure if people are gunna buy it
[11:46:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is odd cause our interest rates suck that ass
[11:46:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> as in we got em way too low still
[11:46:32] <crutchy> ours is 2.25 pc or something now
[11:47:12] <crutchy> i think our reserve strategy is a bit different. export oriented
[11:47:49] <crutchy> if our dollar gets to high. that's bad
[11:48:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> our prime rate, what normal humans are gonna get at best is 3.25% right now
[11:48:26] <crutchy> not sure what my mortgage rate is
[11:48:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> and we're still looking at nearly french levels of unemployment
[11:48:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> mine's zero, paid it off like 7-8 years ago
[11:49:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> helps a lot if you can pay two payments instead of one most months.
[11:49:35] <crutchy> i could if i were single still :p
[11:50:12] <crutchy> mine is 5.22% atm
[11:50:19] <crutchy> http://www.ingdirect.com.au
[11:50:22] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Compare Home Loans and Mortgages with ING DIRECT
[11:50:27] <crutchy> mortgage simplifier
[11:50:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> ewww
[11:50:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, historically i guess that's pretty good still.
[11:51:06] <crutchy> was over 7% when i first got the loan
[11:51:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> kinda sucks compared to the zero percent you could have signed up for here a couple years back though.
[11:51:55] <crutchy> i could prolly almost make 3 payments on my current salary if i were a frugal single bloke
[11:52:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> i should have bought a rental property or flipped something during that stretch.
[11:52:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, it does have its advantages
[11:52:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'why i bought in my 20s
[11:53:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> figured i'd get one big enough for a family if i decided i needed one. ended up with plenty of space to store crap.
[11:53:22] <crutchy> i had uni debt to pay off too which sucked. thankfully that's gone now
[11:53:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod, dropping out hath its perks as well
[11:53:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think they only got like $20k out of me all total.
[11:54:53] <crutchy> mine was prolly only about $30k or so. you guys have way crazy student debt problem over there it seems. i dunno how anyone can afford uni
[11:55:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno what i'm gonna do once it's time to get employed again. maybe get a loan and start up a heating and air/plumbing/electrician service.
[11:55:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, that was like three semesters
[11:56:00] <crutchy> holy crap! mine was for 4 years!
[11:56:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's cause everyone thinks they need a degree then end up working at wal-mart with their art history degree.
[11:56:15] <crutchy> yeah
[11:56:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah and mine was at a local, chincy college. not remotely a good school.
[11:56:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> and it was the rates 20 years ago
[11:56:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'worse now
[11:56:59] <crutchy> trades are popular here
[11:57:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> not here, nobody wants to work.
[11:57:39] <crutchy> some kids start their trade in high school through vocational subjects
[11:58:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, we have a few that do that here being rural but in cities they don't even have trade schools cept private ones.
[11:58:53] <crutchy> its interesting times geopolitically. i keep an eye out on the news just to see what kind of batshit crazy event might happen
[11:58:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can be a welder here and make like $100k/year if you're good.
[11:59:12] <crutchy> same here. trades are worth heaps
[11:59:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. largely how i been able to stay well above water without so much as a highschool diploma.
[12:00:05] <crutchy> sucked being a bum at uni racking up debt while my mates were making dosh and buying utes and stuff L.
[12:00:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> apparently sysadmining is a trade.
[12:00:31] <crutchy> yeah i think so
[12:00:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> really should be too. there's no need for most of what you gotta learn in college to do it.
[12:01:33] <crutchy> you would prolly do a 3 year certificate here
[12:01:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> all you really gotta do is keep your skills up to date and be a)paranoid and b)conservative
[12:02:18] <crutchy> the oxford drive house looks nice
[12:02:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> can do that entirely without formal training if you really wanna. i did side from an intro level programming course.
[12:03:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, housing prices are still in the shitter here. back in early Bush times that house woulda run you 200k at least
[12:03:21] <crutchy> something like this here (i think): http://wsi.tafensw.edu.au
[12:03:23] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Diploma of Information Technology Systems Administration (ICA50311) | TAFE WSI
[12:03:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[12:04:04] <crutchy> wow. government even subsidises it
[12:05:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> how i did it, built myself linux and freebsd boxes while building computers for an isp/computer service place. taught myself by reading books and online info then took over as junior admin for a few months then senior admin when our current one left.
[12:05:20] <ciri> you talking to me?
[12:06:04] <crutchy> i just developed a creepy and unnatural obsession
[12:06:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> got to the point where they were charging $300/hr for my services so i split and started charging half that on my own while knowing all their customers.
[12:06:53] <crutchy> then i met my wife. now she's my creepy and unnatural obsession :D
[12:06:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> there ya go
[12:07:17] <crutchy> noice
[12:07:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> boobs'll do that to ya.
[12:07:28] <crutchy> yeah they do
[12:07:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's on account of they gots magical powers.
[12:07:52] <crutchy> and oh so tasty
[12:08:29] <crutchy> ah shit. i better get some shuteye
[12:08:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> shame they come with such basketloads of crazy. i'd so go gay if guys were at all attractive to me.
[12:08:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, nite
[12:08:51] <crutchy> lol
[12:08:52] <ciri> lol damn!
[12:09:06] <crutchy> crazy_tits++
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[12:09:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> crazy_tits++
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[12:09:23] <crutchy> cya tomorrow dude
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[12:34:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> back in a bit
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[17:26:02] <SirFinkus> I suspect I found a bug
[17:27:01] <SirFinkus> I haven't received any messages regarding moderation on the comment I made in this story http://soylentnews.org
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[17:27:34] <SirFinkus> granted, it was a shit comment, but it might be a corner case to be investigated
[17:33:00] <drgibbon> SirFinkus: yeah I think some moderation messages are being dropped somewhere
[17:33:29] <SirFinkus> not a huge deal for me, but it's a bug I think
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[19:27:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, yeah that's a pretty well known bug. i'm disinclined to cut short my leave to fix it though.
[19:27:31] <SirFinkus> oh, ok
[19:27:44] <SirFinkus> as I said, not a huge deal, just trying to give data points
[19:29:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't think it's up on the issue tracker though if you feel like slapping it up. i found it weeks ago when i turned all the messages i could n set em to email but never documented it.
[19:29:59] <SirFinkus> yeah, I'll do that
[19:30:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> cheers. i could just as well but if i start deving it'll suck me back in and i'll end up having to pack and get ready to move in like 3 days.
[19:31:19] <SirFinkus> hah, good luck
[19:32:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> turns out there's a good fishing lake like 5-10 miles from the town i'm moving to. i could fish every day!
[19:32:56] <SirFinkus> neat
[19:35:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> now if i could just figure out how to code and watch a pole or three at the same time i'd be set. laptops tend to not be waterproof and wifi generally ain't available on fishing docks.
[19:44:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> naps++
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[20:37:57] <mythterj> Its already on fcc.gov
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