#Soylent | Logs for 2015-02-01
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[01:01:12] <Teckla> Is there a way to submit stories here, right in the IRC channel?
[01:01:36] <SpallsHurgenson> use ~submit
[01:02:10] <SpallsHurgenson> or do what I do and just blurt the URL in the channel and wait for somebody else to do the work :)
[01:02:18] <crutchy> hehe.
[01:02:46] * Teckla chuckles :)
[01:03:28] <crutchy> unfortunately ~submit is currently borked. you can use ~filter to spit out content to a paste, but i'm trying to rework submit cos it was posting pretty crappy submissions just from a url
[01:03:48] <crutchy> ~filter http://www.inquisitr.com
[01:04:36] <crutchy> Teckla, if you're curious have a poke around in https://github.com
[01:04:37] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03exec-irc-bot/submit.php at master · crutchy-/exec-irc-bot · GitHub
[01:05:56] <Teckla> That is actually surprisingly readable, after all the PHP bashing I've heard
[01:06:05] <Teckla> (I'm a Java monkey)
[01:06:06] <crutchy> cleaning up news pages for submission has been a bit hit and miss for me. some things work for some pages and not for others. i'm trying to figure out an better way to make it work, so any ideas are welcome :)
[01:06:22] <crutchy> ah
[01:06:25] <crutchy> and thanks :D
[01:06:48] <crutchy> there's bits commented out cos i'm still trying to figure out what kind of filters to apply
[01:07:34] <crutchy> ~filter http://www.inquisitr.com
[01:07:36] <Teckla> crutchy: Oh, you wrote that?
[01:07:37] <exec> http://paste.my.to
[01:08:09] <crutchy> yup. its a script used by the exec bot, which is in the next higher directory (on github)
[01:08:55] <Teckla> Ah, interesting
[01:09:02] <crutchy> that last filter doesn't seem too bad
[01:09:18] <crutchy> sometimes hard to filter out menu or footer guff
[01:09:34] <crutchy> bit of a black art, and i'm no artist :p
[01:09:44] <Teckla> privmsg("exec's submit script is borken. blame crutchy"); LOL -- that part is awesome :)
[01:10:10] <crutchy> bytram kindly asked for a bit of a rework
[01:22:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Cyberpunk Pioneer Co-Authors New Book on Transhumanism - http://sylnt.us - guide-to-the-new-edge
[01:27:51] <Konomi> http://vaporization.deviantart.com
[01:27:52] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Jacked in by vaporization on DeviantArt
[01:28:47] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, jacking _IN_; I expected a picture of something else entirely
[01:29:00] <Konomi> you would pervert
[01:29:01] <Konomi> ;p
[01:37:34] <arti> good thing you watch all that anime and can spot them :D
[01:38:13] <arti> senpai hanaji
[01:41:47] <crutchy> what's the difference between hentai and anime?
[01:41:55] <crutchy> or is that a totally retarded question?
[01:42:30] <arti> bingo.
[01:42:38] <SpallsHurgenson> no, it's a question that requires numerous photographic examples to answer!
[01:42:45] <arti> hentai is a type of anime
[01:42:56] <crutchy> ah
[01:43:05] <arti> sorta like # is a type of #soylent, a perverted one.
[01:43:06] <crutchy> i need to study this anime thing more extensively
[01:43:09] <crutchy> lol
[01:43:11] <ciri> now that is funny
[01:43:44] <crutchy> #soylent is to c3p0 as # is to gir
[01:44:03] <arti> wonder what the artists who draw it in sweat shops think about it.
[01:44:30] <arti> pornstartists?
[01:50:42] <crutchy> http://xkcd.com
[01:50:43] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03xkcd: RuBisCO
[01:51:28] <SpallsHurgenson> I think the image comment is funnier than the comic itself
[01:52:46] <crutchy> http://xkcd.com
[01:52:46] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03xkcd: Porn Folder
[01:52:59] <crutchy> ah yeah the public key thingy
[01:53:16] <crutchy> maybe we need an xkcd image comment getter
[01:53:51] <crutchy> !hedonismbot-todo add xkcd image comment to xkcd titles :D
[01:54:05] -!- Bytram|away [Bytram|away!~pc@Soylent/Staff/Developer/martyb] has joined #Soylent
[01:54:05] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v Bytram|away] by juggler
[01:54:28] <SpallsHurgenson> can we get an xkcd image-to-ascii-art-convertor for the bot? :)
[01:54:31] <crutchy> ahoy there!
[01:55:03] <crutchy> the stick men numbers might be ok
[01:55:12] <arti> could be a neat project
[01:55:22] <arti> make everything look like nfos
[01:55:29] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[01:55:38] <arti> all hail bytram
[01:55:49] <pbnjoe> xkcdnfo
[01:55:58] <Bytram> g'day, all!
[01:56:03] <arti> g'day
[01:56:21] <SpallsHurgenson> is there xkcd-in-braille that we can convert back to text?
[01:56:25] <Bytram> hmmm, xkcd ala ascii... has a nice ring to it!
[01:56:57] <crutchy> http://asciiart.club
[01:56:58] <Bytram> could be tricky with multiple panels going across the page
[01:56:58] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03╠ Online ASCII Art generator - Easy image to text + sharing ╣
[01:57:28] <Bytram> would prolly need to specify max-width in chars for the asciified result
[01:58:07] * Bytram had previously investigated UTF-8 art generation, but couldnot find anything.
[01:58:16] <SpallsHurgenson> I'd like to see the ascii convertor work on http://xkcd.com :)
[01:58:16] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03xkcd: Time
[01:58:25] <Bytram> thought that, with the larger char set, better approximations of an image could be rendered.
[01:59:16] <Bytram> anyone here have a link to a story that describes the issue that the New England Patriots ran into with an apparently underinflated football?
[01:59:26] <Bytram> am reviewing a story for the site and am missing the backstory.
[01:59:34] <SpallsHurgenson> inflategate?
[01:59:42] <SpallsHurgenson> or was it deflategate?
[01:59:53] <SpallsHurgenson> http://en.wikipedia.org
[01:59:53] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Wiki: Deflategate
[01:59:53] <Bytram> deflegation?
[02:00:29] <Bytram> hmmm.. I'm seeing Hedonismbot replying, but without any apparent command?
[02:00:50] <Bytram> has crutchy done gone invisible or sumthin?
[02:01:06] <SpallsHurgenson> <whimper> I've been ignored! :)
[02:01:23] <Bytram> SpallsHurgenson: whazzup?
[02:02:11] <crutchy> o.0
[02:02:23] <arti> Bytram, the bot returns titles from urls, the lookup and parsing is responsible for the delay
[02:02:34] <arti> also, chromas.
[02:02:44] <SpallsHurgenson> stop talking to me, I'm on /ignore :)
[02:03:14] <Bytram> thanks... I was aware of that, but am really tired and I must have missed the posting of URLs for Hedonismbot to process.
[02:04:14] * SpallsHurgenson recommends the ingestion of copious amounts of some sort of chemical stimulant
[02:05:14] <crutchy> coffee++
[02:05:15] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1020
[02:05:17] <SpallsHurgenson> I think they call it "tryptophan" :)
[02:05:33] * Bytram appreciates the suggestion, but needs to sleep well tonight -- late night sunday watching the SUper Bowl with friends and need to be bright and shiny at work the next AM
[02:05:46] <crutchy> ~g'day Bytram
[02:05:48] * exec allegedly tosses a socket of boogers to Bytram
[02:05:49] <Bytram> SpallsHurgenson: lol. methinks that's a turkey
[02:06:05] <crutchy> "allegedly"
[02:06:08] * Bytram offers exec a tissue
[02:06:26] <SpallsHurgenson> ~define Super Bowl #for ignorant Aussies :)
[02:06:35] <Bytram> http://espn.go.com
[02:06:35] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03NFL investigating whether New England Patriots deflated footballs against Indianapolis Colts - ESPN Boston
[02:06:36] <exec> [wiktionary] 3SuperOther%2Breasons%2Bthis%2Bmessage%2Bmay%2Bbe%2Bdisplayed:BowlOther%2Breasons%2Bthis%2Bmessage%2Bmay%2Bbe%2Bdisplayed:#forOther.2Breasons.2Bthis.2Bmessage.2Bmay.2Bbe.2Bdisplayed:ignorantOther.2Breasons.2Bthis.2Bmessage.2Bmay.2Bbe.2Bdisplayed:AussiesOther.2Breasons.2Bthis.2Bmessage.2Bmay.2Bbe.2Bdisplayed::.29: Sorry: the page title you requested is not supported by our software. It is possible that the entry you are looking for is
[02:06:42] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[02:06:43] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03ALLEGEDLY !!! South Park - YouTube
[02:07:02] <Bytram> that story's title is: "NFL investigating Patriots' footballs"
[02:07:05] <SpallsHurgenson> oops, I think I made exec vomit
[02:09:40] <Konomi> ka boom
[02:10:21] <arti> I think Chromas will give you a prize for discovering an exception!
[02:11:15] <SpallsHurgenson> or he would if I hadn't just inadvertantly triggered Skynet mode in his bot
[02:11:18] <Bytram> sry, was my doing, I think.
[02:11:27] <Bytram> lessee if I can make it puke again...
[02:11:30] <Bytram> http://espn.go.com
[02:11:30] <Hedonismbot> ^* 03NFL investigating whether New England Patriots deflated footballs against Indianapolis Colts - ESPN Boston
[02:12:06] <Bytram> nope.
[02:12:07] <SpallsHurgenson> no, 'twas my attempt to get it to define a word with the # delimiter in it
[02:12:20] <SpallsHurgenson> ~define vomit #vomit
[02:12:29] <exec> [wiktionary] 3vomitOther%2Breasons%2Bthis%2Bmessage%2Bmay%2Bbe%2Bdisplayed:#vomit: Sorry: the page title you requested is not supported by our software. It is possible that the entry you are looking for is below; if not, please request it or add it yourself.
[02:12:31] <Bytram> There was some interesting punctuation in SpallsHurgenson's entry... that must have done it
[02:12:35] <Bytram> ~define Super Bowl #for ignorant Aussies :)
[02:12:40] <exec> [wiktionary] 3SuperOther%2Breasons%2Bthis%2Bmessage%2Bmay%2Bbe%2Bdisplayed:BowlOther%2Breasons%2Bthis%2Bmessage%2Bmay%2Bbe%2Bdisplayed:#forOther.2Breasons.2Bthis.2Bmessage.2Bmay.2Bbe.2Bdisplayed:ignorantOther.2Breasons.2Bthis.2Bmessage.2Bmay.2Bbe.2Bdisplayed:AussiesOther.2Breasons.2Bthis.2Bmessage.2Bmay.2Bbe.2Bdisplayed::.29: Sorry: the page title you requested is not supported by our software. It is possible that the entry you are looking for is
[02:12:48] <Bytram> ~define Super Bowl #for ignorant Aussies
[02:12:56] <exec> [wiktionary] 3SuperOther%2Breasons%2Bthis%2Bmessage%2Bmay%2Bbe%2Bdisplayed:BowlOther%2Breasons%2Bthis%2Bmessage%2Bmay%2Bbe%2Bdisplayed:#forOther.2Breasons.2Bthis.2Bmessage.2Bmay.2Bbe.2Bdisplayed:ignorantOther.2Breasons.2Bthis.2Bmessage.2Bmay.2Bbe.2Bdisplayed:Aussies: Sorry: the page title you requested is not supported by our software. It is possible that the entry you are looking for is below; if not, please request it or add it yourself.
[02:13:08] <Bytram> ~define Super Bowl for ignorant Aussies
[02:13:10] * SpallsHurgenson takes away Bytram's shift-3 privileges :)
[02:13:24] <exec> [stoacademy] 3Super Bowl for ignorant Aussies: uniform - An outfit worn by a group of people that is always standard.
[02:13:36] <Bytram> ~define Super #Bowl
[02:13:44] <exec> [wiktionary] 3SuperOther%2Breasons%2Bthis%2Bmessage%2Bmay%2Bbe%2Bdisplayed:#Bowl: Sorry: the page title you requested is not supported by our software. It is possible that the entry you are looking for is below; if not, please request it or add it yourself.
[02:13:59] <SpallsHurgenson> Bytram really needs some coffee :)
[02:14:04] <Bytram> ~define abc#
[02:14:15] <exec> [wikipedia] 3Abc: ABC are the first three letters of the Latin script.
[02:14:20] <SpallsHurgenson> an awesome song by the jackson five!
[02:14:33] <Bytram> ~define Abc#
[02:14:41] <exec> [wikipedia] 3Abc: ABC are the first three letters of the Latin script.
[02:14:46] <Bytram> ~define Abcde#
[02:14:52] <exec> [wikipedia] 3Abcde: Abcde, the first five letters of the Latin alphabet, is a rare feminine given name in the United States (reportedly pronounced /ˈæbsədiː/). The existence of the given name came to public attention...
[02:15:05] <Bytram> ~define abc #
[02:15:08] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm pretty sure the alphabet thing was an homage to the song :)
[02:15:10] <exec> [wikipedia] 3Abc: ABC are the first three letters of the Latin script.
[02:15:27] <Bytram> ~define abc #def
[02:15:34] <exec> [wiktionary] 3abcOther%2Breasons%2Bthis%2Bmessage%2Bmay%2Bbe%2Bdisplayed:#def: Sorry: the page title you requested is not supported by our software. It is possible that the entry you are looking for is below; if not, please request it or add it yourself.
[02:15:44] <Bytram> ~define #a
[02:15:48] <exec> [wikipedia] 3#a: The requested page title is invalid. It may be empty, contain unsupported characters, or include a non-local or incorrectly linked interwiki prefix. You may be able to locate the desired page by searc...
[02:16:22] <Bytram> that should provide enough testing to isolate the problem -- appears to he the presence of a letter following a "#"
[02:16:29] <Bytram> ~define #1
[02:16:32] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3#1: also known as number one means to take a pee. cf. #2 or number two
[02:16:37] <Bytram> LOL!
[02:16:44] <Bytram> brb food
[02:16:45] <ciri> ok Bytram
[02:22:44] <Subsentient> $seen Ethanol-fueled
[02:22:44] <aqu4> I last saw ethanol-fueled at 2014-11-03 01:31:20 UTC in #soylent. Their most recent message is "bye bye guys. see you later!"
[02:23:40] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: did we implement https everywhere on production?
[02:24:48] <Bytram> seems I get logged off when I'm on http://soylentnews.org and click a https://soylentnews.org link (or vice versa)
[02:24:48] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SoylentNews is goatse
[02:24:48] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SoylentNews is goatse
[02:25:30] <SpallsHurgenson> Heh. Heheh. Heheheheheh.
[02:26:00] <Bytram> http://www.washingtonpost.com
[02:26:01] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03New Weather Service supercomputer faces chaos - The Washington Post
[02:31:35] <juggs> paulej72++
[02:31:35] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 98
[02:31:52] <juggs> paulej72++
[02:31:52] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 99
[02:32:16] <Bytram> paulej72++
[02:32:16] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 100
[02:32:22] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[02:32:22] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 141
[02:32:29] <juggs> Thanks for pushing the update out paulej72
[02:32:30] <Bytram> juggs++
[02:32:30] <Bender> karma - juggs: 54
[02:32:37] <juggs> Bytram++
[02:32:37] <Bender> karma - bytram: 28
[02:32:44] <juggs> It's a positive ++ fest
[02:32:56] <Bytram> ++++
[02:32:56] <Hedonismbot> Karma - ++: 2
[02:33:02] <Bytram> LOL!
[02:33:14] <Bytram> --++
[02:33:14] <Hedonismbot> Karma - ++: 1
[02:33:20] <Bytram> !uid
[02:33:21] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4027, owned by htmbv
[02:33:22] <juggs> ----
[02:33:22] <Hedonismbot> Karma - --: 0
[02:33:37] <Bytram> Hedonismbot: needs a kick -- we're over 5000
[02:34:31] <Bytram> UID 5034 is assigned to boxrick
[02:34:46] <Bytram> ---
[02:34:47] <Hedonismbot> Karma - -: -6
[02:34:51] <Bytram> -++
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[02:36:41] <arti> clubbing no longer in fashion?
[02:38:13] -!- sealsniper has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[02:38:18] <Bytram> is that like "bar hopping"?
[02:39:04] <arti> name was sealsniper, thought they clubbed seals
[02:39:54] <Bytram> I was thinking it might be more of a reference to the US Navy Seals
[02:40:14] <arti> that's just what they want you to think
[02:40:17] <arti> also ZeroCool
[02:40:25] * SpallsHurgenson is confused "The US Navy keeps seals just to club them to death?"
[02:40:27] <Bytram> nod nod
[02:40:38] <juggs> the ebil knows now bounds!
[02:41:07] * Bytram has one story in the queue, so there will at least be *something* to read "tonight" -- am working on getting another one knocked into shape.
[02:41:10] <Bytram> brb
[02:41:11] <ciri> me too, smoke time! Bytram
[02:43:38] -!- BadCoderFinger [BadCoderFinger!~BadCoderF@216.160.gyz.km] has joined #Soylent
[02:44:46] <BadCoderFinger> Hey guys
[02:45:19] <arti> hello
[02:45:36] <BadCoderFinger> Hey arti, how are things?
[02:45:50] <juggs> hi BadCoderFinger
[02:45:50] <ciri> hello, whats up juggs
[02:46:16] <BadCoderFinger> Hey juggs!
[02:47:15] <Bytram> back
[02:47:19] <Bytram> BadCoderFinger: g-day!
[02:47:35] <BadCoderFinger> Bytram, hey man!
[02:47:48] <Bytram> what's happening?
[02:47:53] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[02:47:55] <exec> Weather for Boston, MA, USA - currently 17°F / -8°C, clear, wind W at 19 mph, humidity 43% - Saturday chance of snow (12°F-21°F / -11°C--6°C), Sunday mostly cloudy (12°F-25°F / -11°C--4°C), Monday snow (1°F-32°F / -17°C-0°C), Tuesday partly cloudy (7°F-16°F / -14°C--9°C) - source: Google
[02:48:22] <arti> BadCoderFinger, not bad. doing some clean up tasts
[02:48:24] <arti> tasks
[02:48:29] <Bytram> wind has let up a little bit so the wind chill is now back above zero degrees F
[02:48:36] <Bytram> nod nod
[02:48:55] <BadCoderFinger> Bleh, bit chilly there.
[02:48:56] <SpallsHurgenson> Google lies; it's sunny and warm in Boston! it's 102 degrees Fahrenheit and everybody is wearing speedos! Honest!
[02:49:16] <BadCoderFinger> Hey Spalls!
[02:49:34] * Bytram dons some *really* dark sunglasses and turns in horror
[02:49:51] <BadCoderFinger> Heh!
[02:49:59] <SpallsHurgenson> show off your speedos to Bytram, BadCoderFinger!
[02:50:17] * Bytram notes that EMACS' ^w is not the same when editing text in a text entry box in PaleMoon - just lost all the updates I made to a story I was editing. :(
[02:50:50] <BadCoderFinger> Natch!
[02:51:17] <SpallsHurgenson> why are you using PaleMoon when emacs has all the same functionality? :)
[02:51:24] <BadCoderFinger> SpallsHurgenson: They're non-existent, so it would be a weird show.
[02:52:02] <SpallsHurgenson> there's nothing emacs can't do if you press the right arcane combination of keys :)
[02:52:09] <arti> bytram, oh that sucks ass
[02:52:22] <arti> isn't there multilevel undo?
[02:52:34] <Bytram> not when ^w closes the tab. :/
[02:52:50] <Bytram> undo close tab just brought me back to the original window -- pre-edit.
[02:53:02] <SpallsHurgenson> I bet there's an add-on for that :)
[02:53:10] <arti> aaah
[02:53:23] <arti> well there might be, i know firefox has a plugin for that
[02:53:25] <arti> extension
[02:53:25] <BadCoderFinger> Edit in emacs, then copy it into PaleMoon?
[02:53:33] <Bytram> yeah, it's called a brain
[02:53:58] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, don't get one of those or you won't be allowed to vote anymore
[02:54:00] <arti> and with html5 in most places, you can do local storage
[02:54:00] <arti> you as in a developer :/
[02:54:01] <Bytram> yeah, that would work, but I already need to jump between too many things as it is when checking on story sources.
[02:54:24] <arti> the second go should be more awesome. get some icecream or visit the punching bag
[02:54:36] <SpallsHurgenson> (although I'm not sure it's "allowed" as much as "totally unable" because the options are all so painfully horrific :)
[02:57:04] <SpallsHurgenson> if you do find yourself in the unlucky position to have a brain, please immediately turn on the TV and change the channel to The Learning Channel. A few hours in front of that and you should once again be a happy citizen :)
[02:57:36] <Bytram> lol
[02:57:37] <SpallsHurgenson> ~define The Learning Channel
[02:57:38] <BadCoderFinger> SpallsHurgenson: "The Learning Channel" -- I find that name horrible.
[02:57:43] * Bytram hits preview button
[02:57:48] <exec> [wikipedia] 3The Learning Channel: TLC (an abbreviation of its former name, The Learning Channel) is an American basic cable and satellite television network that is owned by Discovery Communications. Initially focused on educational &...
[02:58:19] <SpallsHurgenson> gaddurn, what happened to the bot? Its definitions are so boring these days!
[02:58:36] <SpallsHurgenson> if I /really/ wanted to know what The Learning Channel was, I'd go to wikipedia myself!
[02:59:07] <BadCoderFinger> I highly suggest importing Ambrose Bierce's "Devil's Dictionary"
[02:59:19] <BadCoderFinger> With additions by Mark Twain.
[02:59:30] <arti> mark_twain++
[02:59:30] <Bender> karma - mark_twain: 1
[02:59:41] <SpallsHurgenson> oh yes, Mark Twain had the most interesting comments about cable TV channels :)
[02:59:54] <arti> i liked a letter he wrote about german
[02:59:56] <BadCoderFinger> I aspire to that level of sarcasm and vitriol.
[03:00:12] <arti> http://www.crossmyt.com
[03:00:13] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03"The Awful German Language" by Mark Twain
[03:01:16] <Bytram> "Wit, is intellect, dancing."
[03:01:25] <Bytram> MT had a great wit
[03:01:59] <Bytram> ~define wit
[03:02:05] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3Wit: The ability to think quickly. Often associated with humor.
[03:06:26] <SpallsHurgenson> I like how nobody has a quick comeback to that :)
[03:06:48] <arti> partners don't like it when you're quick.
[03:06:53] <Bytram> wit did you expect?
[03:07:15] <BadCoderFinger> Heh!
[03:07:22] <SpallsHurgenson> unless you are partnered with a pimp
[03:08:10] <Bytram> the scarlet letter pimpernel?
[03:08:57] <BadCoderFinger> Bytram: Now that would be a novel!
[03:09:25] <SpallsHurgenson> the word "pimpmobile" dates back to 1973; "popemobile" to 1979
[03:10:20] * Bytram had to read the Scarlet Letter in high school; understood the words but totally missed the meaning of the letter "A" and all the societal implications until maybe a decade later. /me was rather naieve
[03:10:24] <BadCoderFinger> SpallsHurgenson: There's a beautiful social commentary there, don't you think?
[03:10:50] <BadCoderFinger> I slogged through that novel in high school as well.
[03:11:04] <SpallsHurgenson> I never learned to read or write :(
[03:11:05] * Bytram only knows of the Scarlet Pimpernel from an episode of the cartoon with Daffy Duck
[03:12:34] <Bytram> BadCoderFinger: There was a production of the Scarlet Letter that I saw on a local public broadcasting channel in the early 80's (I think) that had Hester Pryne played by a woman with the most *amazing* grey-blue eyes. It was then that a lot of the story suddenly started making sense.
[03:12:35] <Bytram> =)
[03:13:07] <BadCoderFinger> Heh!
[03:14:04] * Bytram goes to see if he can locate the actress' name
[03:16:20] <crutchy> weird shit on youtube alert: https://www.youtube.com
[03:16:22] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Red Hot Cannonball in Water/Ice - YouTube
[03:16:25] <Bytram> this looks promising: https://en.wikipedia.org
[03:16:26] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Wiki: The Scarlet Letter (TV miniseries)
[03:16:59] <Bytram> Hester Prynne (Meg Foster) is a young, Puritan woman who commits adultery while her husband is in Europe, and, upon the birth of her illegitimate child, is subsequently condemned to wear a scarlet "A" for the rest of her life. Her secret partner, the Reverend Arthur Dimmesdale, (John Heard) writhes in private torment as he deals with hiding his sin. The person of Hester's husband, Roger Chillingworth (Ke
[03:16:59] <Bytram> vin Conway) completes this grim triangle as the mysterious situation leads to a shattering climax. The story follows the main characters as they grapple with sin, forgiveness, and redemption.
[03:17:35] <Bytram> aha! and here is a link on Meg Foster: https://en.wikipedia.org
[03:17:35] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Wiki: Meg Foster
[03:19:35] <Bytram> 'Foster gained notice for her extremely pale-blue eyes, which Mademoiselle magazine dubbed "the eyes of 1979."'
[03:20:00] <SpallsHurgenson> that cannonball-on-ice was insufficiently weird
[03:21:26] <BadCoderFinger> She looks familiar.
[03:22:11] <Bytram> she gave a most convincing performance in the PBS series.
[03:24:36] <Bytram> http://www.imdb.com
[03:24:37] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Meg Foster - IMDb
[03:26:21] <BadCoderFinger> She's been in a lot!
[03:26:25] <arti> OH i know her
[03:26:32] <Bytram> yes, a very busy woman!
[03:26:32] <SpallsHurgenson> personally?
[03:26:38] <Bytram> http://www.imdb.com
[03:26:39] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03The Scarlet Letter (TV Mini-Series 1979) - IMDb
[03:27:07] * Bytram is unable to find much in the way of photos which show her as she was in the series
[03:28:11] * arti has an urge to watch They Live
[03:28:24] <SpallsHurgenson> you'll need some chewing gum
[03:28:35] <arti> i prefer it when i'm out of chewing gum
[03:28:53] <arti> formaldehyde face
[03:28:54] <SpallsHurgenson> :)
[03:29:47] <SpallsHurgenson> I watched that movie a while back; it isn't anywhere nearly as good as you remember it
[03:31:31] <Bytram> this looks promising: http://www.megfoster.aretias.de
[03:31:32] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Gallery
[03:41:10] <Bytram> looks like the story queue will hold for a while now...
[03:41:18] <Bytram> and I needs to get some shuteye.
[03:41:18] <juggs> Thanks Bytram
[03:41:21] <Bytram> np
[03:41:22] <juggs> and sleep well
[03:41:24] <Konomi> https://i.imgur.com
[03:41:33] <Bytram> thanks -- best wishes to you, too!
[03:42:46] <Bytram> Konomi: that is absolutely amazing!!
[03:42:47] <SpallsHurgenson> there's gonna be one disappointed and hungry customer using that vending machine one day "There's no raspberry in this thing! It's not even a pie!"
[03:43:09] <arti> where is this machine
[03:43:09] <ciri> hmmm thats a good question arti
[03:43:19] <arti> ciri: maybe we should put on our thinking caps?
[03:43:28] <arti> ?:D
[03:43:31] * Bytram is reminded of trying to buy punch cards from a (converted) vending machine while in college.
[03:43:37] <Konomi> https://imgur.com
[03:43:37] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Vending machine, School of the Art Institute of Chicago - Imgur
[03:43:37] <SpallsHurgenson> years and years ago I was at an office that used a vending machine for office supplies
[03:44:02] <SpallsHurgenson> you "paid" for things with an office-provided debit card that charged it to your department's budget
[03:44:03] <arti> i'm surprised it doesn't have handguns in it
[03:44:20] <SpallsHurgenson> I wonder if the one in TFP is a similar deal
[03:44:24] <Bytram> arti: those are prolly in the next row down.
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[03:44:43] <Bytram> TFP?
[03:44:53] <arti> The flippin picture
[03:45:03] * SpallsHurgenson gives arti 1/4 of the internet as a prize :)
[03:45:14] <Bytram> oh. got it.
[03:45:16] <arti> as long as it isn't the butt part
[03:45:22] <Bytram> k. really gtg and get some sleep.
[03:45:23] <arti> too chewy
[03:45:27] <Bytram> ciao for now.
[03:45:28] <arti> alright mang, rest well
[03:45:34] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[03:45:45] * arti uses a tranq dart on Bytram|away
[03:46:00] <Bytram|away> skknnnnnnnkkk snooore.
[03:46:07] <Bytram|away> =)
[03:46:11] <arti> =)
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[03:54:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Football Deflation Experiments Show Patriots May Have Science on Their Side - http://sylnt.us - shrunken-balls
[03:57:59] <SpallsHurgenson> damn this science thing!
[03:59:12] <juggs> why?
[04:02:16] <Konomi> crutchy: https://imgur.com
[04:02:17] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Goodbye Campbell Newman - Imgur
[04:05:10] <Konomi> http://moonstalkerwolf.tumblr.com
[04:05:10] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Alpha Moonbase
[04:30:59] <crutchy> hmm. not sure why that would be for me. who's campbell newman? i guess he's an LNP politician from the sign
[04:31:31] <crutchy> am i supposed to like or hate him?
[04:32:06] <crutchy> well he's a politician so i already despise him
[04:32:08] <juggs> shouldn't you make you own mind up on something like that?
[04:32:15] <juggs> your*
[04:32:20] <crutchy> i hate them all
[04:32:41] <juggs> fair enough :)
[04:32:49] <crutchy> but i'm libertarian so
[04:32:59] <crutchy> big_government--
[04:32:59] <Bender> karma - big_government: -1
[04:33:26] <crutchy> still need government, just not anything like what's forced down our throats currently
[04:35:39] <crutchy> re the moonstalker.. thingy; i love doing big flippy things in gta: vice city that kinda look like that
[04:35:40] <juggs> the worrying thing is, there seems no way to vote the current state of affairs out of existence. It's like voting for varying shades of grey. :(
[04:36:01] <crutchy> good fun. gotta make sure use 'seaways' cheat though cos often end up in the water
[04:36:07] <juggs> I guess most people are satisfied with it
[04:36:32] <juggs> Was that a cross-post crutchy?
[04:36:33] <crutchy> doesn't seem too bad here. at least compared to lots of other countries it seems anyway
[04:36:53] <juggs> Do you have proportional representation style elections?
[04:37:18] <Konomi> we do
[04:37:23] <crutchy> i guess so. there's some weird system
[04:37:40] <juggs> Certainly a more sane way of doing things than first past the post
[04:37:56] <crutchy> i just rock up to the polling place, get my name ticked off and then vote with my feet; they can all get fked
[04:38:32] <juggs> oooh - mandatory attendance?
[04:38:57] <crutchy> i live within 5 minute walk from polling place so not too bad :)
[04:39:59] <Konomi> it's "mandatory" to a degree
[04:40:10] <Konomi> lots aren't on the register specially younger voters
[04:40:21] <Konomi> they have to opt in
[04:40:22] <juggs> Mine's only 15 mins on foot. Hardly worth bothering though, the constituency is staunchly true blue (Conservative)
[04:40:37] <Konomi> though I think they're changing it so they'll start adding people automatically
[04:41:12] <crutchy> ive heard of lots of people doing donkey votes
[04:42:50] <crutchy> i don't care much for mob rule *cough* i mean democracy
[04:43:20] <SpallsHurgenson> support me for dictator for life and if I get in I'll fill your fridge with bacon :)
[04:44:11] <crutchy> i kinda like being part of a monarchy actually. i'm a bit old fashioned that way i guess
[04:44:18] <juggs> Hmm.. can we negotiate on that? Not sure I want a fridge full of bacon... wouldn't be able to eat it all before it went bad
[04:44:53] <juggs> crutchy, the monarchy has pretty much nothing to do with governance matters.
[04:45:00] * Konomi makes bacon clothes
[04:45:09] * juggs grills Konomi
[04:45:13] <Konomi> nuuu
[04:45:19] <Konomi> who grills bacon?
[04:45:20] <crutchy> juggs, true, but its a cap on absolute power
[04:45:20] <juggs> sizzle!
[04:45:32] <crutchy> well, by government
[04:45:35] <juggs> crutchy, in theory
[04:45:39] <crutchy> true
[04:45:44] <crutchy> there's no perfect system
[04:45:45] <SpallsHurgenson> also, the queen is anti-bacon.
[04:46:22] <crutchy> i'm glad the queen has a say in what our federal reserve can do
[04:46:36] <crutchy> so they aren't as autonomous as the US fed
[04:46:36] <juggs> On the whole, the house of lords does an adequate job of de-bullshitting the worst of the worst that the house of commons emits.
[04:47:19] <juggs> The queen has a say in your federal reserve? Sounds unlikely. Maybe deputised to the BOE I suppose.
[04:47:32] <SpallsHurgenson> I wouldn't need a house of lords or commons. I would need members of a house of bacon, though.
[04:47:37] <crutchy> the gov general (queen) can force its hand
[04:50:11] <crutchy> http://www.rba.gov.au
[04:50:13] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03RBA: Accountability
[04:51:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> cheers on the good work all.
[04:52:40] <juggs> crutchy, is the queen Gov General?
[04:52:55] <crutchy> appointed by the queen
[04:53:05] <crutchy> queen's rep i guess
[04:53:07] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, thanks for all the work that went into the update :D
[04:53:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep yep. and on that note i'm on vacation from coding until probably march.
[04:54:13] <juggs> fair enough. I hope the move goes smoothly
[04:54:28] <juggs> Did you get yourself new fooshing toys?
[04:54:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, a couple. didn't replace all four i lost yet though.
[04:55:16] <juggs> Did some pikey steal your previous kit?
[04:55:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> got a medium rod n reel and a light one.
[04:55:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> meth head i expect.
[04:56:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> still need to replace the enormous ocean rig i used for catfishing.
[04:56:21] <juggs> Seems a desperate move to steal fishing gear :/
[04:56:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> then one miscellaneous one
[04:56:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, they couldn't pawn them for all that much even if they'll take like $1500 to replace.
[04:57:26] <juggs> Enough for the next hit or to put a meal on the table I guess... all the motivation it takes when someone is down and out I guess
[04:57:39] <juggs> Too many guesses in that sentence! :D
[04:58:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> too many meth heads in oklahoma.
[05:00:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, i almost wanna switch to pwnies just because i can now.
[05:00:36] <crutchy> or vt
[05:00:44] <juggs> ooh, forgot about that. /me scurries off to engage vt mode
[05:02:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> wasn't shopping all day though. went to a cousin's n had a pizza n beer n BtVS marathon.
[05:02:22] <crutchy> would take a bit of getting used to on the eyes
[05:02:32] <crutchy> bright green on black :p
[05:02:55] * crutchy likes chillax
[05:03:19] <juggs> aye, chillax is my usual
[05:03:39] <crutchy> what's 'classic index'?
[05:04:04] <juggs> vt just brings back memories of using serial connected terminals many moons ago
[05:04:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> beats me
[05:04:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[05:04:12] <juggs> try it and see :D
[05:04:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm sticking with black icicle i think
[05:04:36] * Konomi releases the hounds
[05:04:42] * juggs cowers
[05:04:55] <crutchy> need a pastel theme, with lots of soft hues :d
[05:05:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> write one
[05:05:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're easy, no perl.
[05:05:30] <crutchy> i'm too lazy
[05:05:42] <crutchy> i've still got the css templates though
[05:05:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> should only be one template you really need to edit
[05:06:20] <crutchy> my css isn't overly crash hot. problem i usually have is it takes a wwhile to learn what all the class names and id's refer to on the page
[05:06:38] * juggs grabs one of TheMightyBuzzard's guns and attempts to shoot the hounds. Then hands the gun back embarrassed by the inability to disengage the safety. :(
[05:06:52] <crutchy> like learning a whole new programming object hierarchy :/
[05:07:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> pfft, like i did that. i just search n replaced all the old colors with the new ones mostly.
[05:07:43] * TheMightyBuzzard releases the flying monkeys just to add to the chaos
[05:07:55] <crutchy> haha. that seems like a good way to do it
[05:08:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> lazy++
[05:08:02] <Bender> karma - lazy: 8
[05:08:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> or in a zilla browser you can right click n hit inspect element and you get the css that goes into it over on the right.
[05:09:30] <crutchy> ~say nod
[05:09:33] <exec> nod
[05:09:56] <crutchy> lazy_sunday++
[05:09:56] <Bender> karma - lazy_sunday: 1
[05:10:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyhows, it's been a long saturday and ima get me some sleep. you lot get to gather the flying monkeys back up.
[05:10:47] <juggs> sleep well
[05:11:14] <SpallsHurgenson> the worst thing about flying monkeys is floating monkey poop
[05:11:53] <crutchy> good for the skin
[05:12:17] * SpallsHurgenson picks up kitty, stands her on her hind legs, and makes her do a little dance
[05:12:40] * juggs equips the polearm of doom and sets about despatching the flying monkeys to their after life
[05:13:00] * SpallsHurgenson respatches all the monkeys
[05:13:47] * juggs marinades the monkeys. BBQ tomorrow anyone? :D
[05:13:51] * crutchy takes the polearm from juggs and hands him a flak cannon
[05:14:12] <juggs> I have no idea how to use a flak cannon
[05:14:40] <crutchy> 1. squeeze trigger 2. laugh hysterically
[05:14:58] <juggs> step 0. aim at something you intend to kill
[05:15:06] <juggs> shirley?
[05:15:08] <crutchy> nah aiming is optional
[05:15:15] <Konomi> question for anyone up with current cpus
[05:15:29] <Konomi> is there any AMD CPU that is current generation that does not have a freaking GPU on die?
[05:16:01] <crutchy> i've still got an old dual core
[05:16:14] <juggs> Is that a problem if it can be disabled in BIOS?
[05:16:41] <crutchy> still rockin too. nice pyewta. unfortunately not very portable so its collecting a bit of dust lately
[05:16:50] <Konomi> just don't want silcon towards something I never will use
[05:17:05] <crutchy> get a microcontroller then
[05:17:13] <crutchy> or some other soc
[05:17:37] <juggs> likewise crutchy. X2 5400+ or some such. Probably going to re-purpose the box as a VM host for experimenting on shit.
[05:18:10] <juggs> Well.. not literally experimenting on shit, I'm not into scat.
[05:18:29] <crutchy> ah i was going to ask to subscribe to your newsletter
[05:19:02] <crutchy> Konomi, if you want no waste you pretty much gotta go special purpose imho
[05:19:16] <crutchy> what's your purpose?
[05:19:27] <juggs> Konomi, surely they must do a range without GPU baked in. Mebbe hit up their server targeted CPUs if they have such a thing.
[05:20:08] * juggs does not recall any info recently about AMD processors for enterprise server loads... just Intel and ARM stuff
[05:21:11] <crutchy> for high load servers prolly xeon still the best
[05:21:25] <crutchy> really depends on what you doing
[05:22:04] <juggs> Konomi, my goole-fu suggests AMD's FX range as having no onboard GFX acceleration stuff.
[05:25:04] <crutchy> for most consumers, unused onboard graphics prolly a non issue
[05:25:47] <juggs> There does seem to be a trend toward APUs though for most applications outside of gaming specific and GPU-compute niche stuff. I guess the reduced process sizes made it viable to drop the GFX onto the CPU die and not have to worry about heat dispersion for the majority of uses.
[05:26:19] <Konomi> doesn't look like there is any consumer wise for either intel or amd how annoying
[05:26:33] <Konomi> only intel ones are the extreme edition
[05:26:35] <crutchy> prolly not much market for it
[05:27:10] <juggs> Hmm, do the prosumer / enterprise CPU-only chips cost a great deal more per flop?
[05:27:17] <crutchy> anyone serious enough to not want onboard graphics for some reason prolly best not go with consumer shit
[05:27:41] <crutchy> juggs, are we comparing flops now?
[05:27:54] <crutchy> a gentlemens flop match :p
[05:28:02] * crutchy smakes self
[05:28:37] <SpallsHurgenson> I wish my computer had a CPU
[05:28:48] <crutchy> ~define CPU
[05:28:52] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3CPU: In a PC, the central processing unit (CPU) is the primary control device for the entire computer system. The CPU is technically a set of components that manages all the activities and does much of the...
[05:28:59] <crutchy> wha?!
[05:29:04] <crutchy> no sexual references?
[05:29:07] <SpallsHurgenson> urbandictionary is boring too
[05:29:31] <SpallsHurgenson> define cpu as how geeks engage in dick-measuring contests
[05:29:39] <crutchy> heh
[05:29:42] <crutchy> ~define-add
[05:29:42] <exec> alias "~define-add" requires additional trailing argument
[05:29:46] <crutchy> derp
[05:29:47] <juggs> Depends what you want to code crutchy. There's some applications that work really well with the massive parallel processing model that GPUs can offer. Lots and lots and lots of iddy biddy cores working in parallel rather than 2/4/8/16 monster cores working very fast on their serialised work queues. nVidia CUDA is a beast.
[05:29:53] <arti> :D
[05:30:15] <crutchy> if you want parallelism you prolly best with a ps3 cluster or summin
[05:30:37] <juggs> Or a GPU with an SDK :/
[05:30:52] <crutchy> beowulf++
[05:30:52] <Bender> karma - beowulf: 1
[05:31:17] <arti> are you guys making bitcoins?
[05:31:26] <crutchy> dunno. konomi might be :p
[05:31:34] <juggs> Is that worth doing on anything other than an ASIC?
[05:31:38] <crutchy> oh hang on she said no onboard graphics
[05:31:41] <arti> lol "worth doing"
[05:31:44] <crutchy> yeah i dunno
[05:32:40] <crutchy> if bitcoin was tied to gold or some other precious metal maybe
[05:33:01] <juggs> arti, yah I know where you're going with that. It's worth doing if you can trade out the BTC for cash that is valued more than the cost of the energy (and device cost) to do it.
[05:33:22] <crutchy> bitcoins seem as unstable as any fiat
[05:33:47] <juggs> hence the ASIC comment. If you're paying your own power it makes no sense to mine BTC on GPU or even FPGA
[05:34:23] <crutchy> they're useful as a transaction method
[05:34:37] <crutchy> not as stored value though
[05:35:17] <arti> i think it's a giant waste of time
[05:35:29] <crutchy> me too
[05:35:44] <crutchy> except maybe from a technical concept point of view
[05:36:03] <arti> the exchanges are hilarious
[05:36:09] <crutchy> and a study of human gullibility
[05:36:28] <arti> the process for converting into something i can pay my rent with is awesome
[05:36:37] <arti> love going through russian and vietnamese banks
[05:37:17] <crutchy> i've never done anything with bitcoin. i don't know much about them except that they aren't backed by anything, which fails the first litmus test
[05:37:56] <arti> i remember when they were at $5 and i thought they were a rip then too
[05:38:13] <arti> hopefully something good will come out of it
[05:38:18] <crutchy> people pay for avatars on a website
[05:38:28] <crutchy> people are idiots
[05:38:43] <crutchy> but if its their money good on em
[05:38:52] <arti> amateur, you pay for gold! buy it from the chinese farmers :D
[05:38:57] <crutchy> as long as they fon't con the government to get involved
[05:39:14] <crutchy> i wish i could buy gold
[05:39:38] <crutchy> sadly i think when the time comes, anyone with (real) gold with have big targets painted on them
[05:40:21] <arti> why can't you buy gold?
[05:40:37] <crutchy> i'm married :p
[05:41:02] <arti> every married man knows of jewelery
[05:41:16] <crutchy> arti, s/man/woman/
[05:41:16] <sedctl> <crutchy> <arti> every married woman knows of jewelery
[05:41:53] <crutchy> i don't have any faith in the integrity of my superannuation either
[05:41:56] <juggs> I used to mine dustcoins using the middlecoin pool. The middlecoin operator watched the markets/exchanges and would switch up the mined coin to the most profitable several times a day, then convert and payout in BTC. I had it payout to a coinbase wallet that at a certain balance would payout in real world money. The GPUs provided my heating at a time when I was otherwise reliant on electrical resistive heating (space heaters). The fan noise was a b
[05:41:56] <juggs> itch though.
[05:42:50] <crutchy> juggs, bitcoin might have some value as a fform of entertainment. it can't be any worse than wasting money on a michael bay movie
[05:43:10] <juggs> Just about broke even on my heating costs and had some shekels to spend as a side effect.
[05:44:02] <juggs> Wouldn't make any sense in the summer months, the heat would be problematic.
[05:46:01] <juggs> crutchy, pretty much yeh, it was entertaining for a while and I broke even on my elec costs due to the heat at the time. I've long since stopped bothering with such things, no idea if the economics would stack up the same now.
[05:54:47] <juggs> There's something a bit odd about this image (from BBC News) http://news.bbcimg.co.uk
[05:55:23] <juggs> Note the head with a balaclava on the left... it's not attached to anything
[05:56:09] <juggs> Perhaps guns are springing masked heads now... :/
[06:00:10] <crutchy> thas some bad photoshopping there
[06:01:10] <crutchy> the black blotch 'balaclava' might be covering the face of a westerner
[06:01:30] <crutchy> the wrist looks very white
[06:03:13] <juggs> Awful 'shopping. No idea if that is how it was released by the IS propaganda machine or it's something the BBC did. Bizarre either way. It looks like a comic.
[06:05:00] <juggs> There also seem to be a majority of wristwatches being worn on right arms. That's not usual, perhaps the image has been flipped or it is a left hand = dirty thing :/
[06:06:25] <juggs> http://www.bbc.co.uk
[06:06:26] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03BBC News - 'Tasers for all front-line officers' - Police Federation
[06:06:35] <juggs> All front-line police in England and Wales should be offered Tasers in light of the increased terrorism threat, the head of the Police Federation says.
[06:07:03] <SpallsHurgenson> eeep! t-t-t-terrorists!
[06:08:05] <juggs> Riiiight... I can see a taser being most effective against an explosive vest wearing ebil-doer or some nut job who runs up and shoots up a couple of coppers out of nowhere.
[06:10:46] <SpallsHurgenson> "I say, hip-hip and cheerio, would you be so kind as not to tase me, mate?" <-british version :)
[06:13:35] <arti> HAHAHA
[06:13:45] <juggs> Have to think what is actually going on when the police feel the need to defend themselves against the policed populous. Maybe something is out of kilter in that scenario perhaps?
[06:13:45] <arti> You're shocked, SHOCKED.
[06:13:48] <SpallsHurgenson> that's how British people speak, right?
[06:13:57] <crutchy> taser worked pretty well in The Island
[06:14:02] <juggs> Absolutely old bean!
[06:14:07] <arti> lol
[06:14:10] <crutchy> but in that case the turrist had breasts
[06:14:25] <arti> that sucks
[06:14:50] <arti> not breasts, just police everywhere seem to be ramping up
[06:14:59] <arti> tasers are terrible
[06:15:01] <SpallsHurgenson> women are terrorists? hmmm, I see your point
[06:15:17] <arti> "didn't do what i asked? that's a taserin'"
[06:15:28] <crutchy> SpallsHurgenson, you gotta say things like 'fish, chips, cup-o-tea, bad weather, worse food, mary fuckin poppins'
[06:15:45] <arti> i need to watch that again
[06:15:51] <crutchy> food <=> weather
[06:16:04] <arti> you visit for the beaches crutchy
[06:16:08] <arti> and stay for the food.
[06:16:17] <crutchy> so who the fuck wants to see them
[06:16:33] <arti> maybe people who've been in turkish prisons?
[06:17:08] <SpallsHurgenson> Brits need to step it up; I mean, tasers for cops? That ain't nuthin'!
[06:17:13] <crutchy> SpallsHurgenson, also you gotta fuckin ate pikeys
[06:17:22] <SpallsHurgenson> I know nothing makes me feel safer than having army grunts trot about carrying automatic rifles. I know my bus depot is SECURE
[06:17:38] <juggs> crutchy, chippies are dying out. I'm no longer sure what British identity is.
[06:18:24] <SpallsHurgenson> and if I don't see two or three blackhawk helicopters zoom by at least twice a day, I get into a total panic.
[06:18:28] <juggs> Mostly seems to involve gawping at flat screen tellies and if away from a telly gawping at a smartphone.
[06:18:31] <crutchy> carrying isnt the problem. its when the cops are waving their guns around like idiots (furgeson) that you get problems. trained police wouldn't have their guns raised at civilians
[06:19:02] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah, but army grunts are even LESS trained at police duties than the police
[06:19:21] <arti> crutchy, you sound poor and black.
[06:19:29] <crutchy> army grunts are even less likely to raise their guns
[06:19:32] <arti> it would sure be a shame if anything happened to your rights :P
[06:19:51] <crutchy> they're used to walking around dirkadirkastan
[06:20:00] <SpallsHurgenson> army grunts are more likely, actually. that's why they are rarely used for policing
[06:20:05] <arti> make lots of explosions occur to trigger the PTSD
[06:20:09] <juggs> urmagurd.... we have rights? The slavemasters will not like this
[06:20:11] <crutchy> arti, we don't have rights in straya
[06:20:30] <arti> well in furgeson you would :D
[06:20:30] <SpallsHurgenson> they are mostly used 'round here for security theater to make us all feel afraid; they aren't actually placed where they are expected to DO anything
[06:20:56] <crutchy> you have the right to have a gun pointed at your head
[06:21:06] <arti> sweet!
[06:21:09] <crutchy> by people who swore to protect you
[06:21:18] <arti> oh no, they're not sworn to protect you
[06:21:19] <SpallsHurgenson> I would also like to point out that Marine Ospreys make a hell of a lot of noise
[06:21:38] <arti> they're sworn to protect society, there is no claim to your personal safety.
[06:21:43] <crutchy> tilt rotor?
[06:21:57] <SpallsHurgenson> this has nothing to do with anything, except that they are BLOODY annoying and shouldn't be flying about when I'm trying to take my midafternoon nap :)
[06:22:07] <SpallsHurgenson> erm,
[06:22:11] <arti> yeah tilt rotor
[06:22:16] <crutchy> i think they're not a very efficient design
[06:22:24] <SpallsHurgenson> I mean, trying to work on a serious business-related problem :)
[06:22:33] <arti> thank god, if we ever get efficiency with government we're doomed.
[06:22:43] <SpallsHurgenson> (mainly, "I'm tired and how do I stop being tired" :)
[06:22:59] <arti> SpallsHurgenson: become 15 again.
[06:23:24] <crutchy> yeah if that happened you might prove all the libertarians wrong :p
[06:23:38] <crutchy> SpallsHurgenson, you had better google that :p
[06:24:06] <SpallsHurgenson> <chuckle> what, like BUSINESS is efficient? Have you ever worked for anything with more than 10 people? :)
[06:24:45] <arti> SpallsHurgenson, yeah it's pretty awesome
[06:24:51] <crutchy> the thing about business is that if its not efficient, it goes out of business :p
[06:25:14] <arti> crutchy, i see you left the cover off of your nonfaxed reply.
[06:25:14] <SpallsHurgenson> no, they just have to be as inefficient as their competitor :)
[06:25:44] <juggs> climbing the pole in a large corp involves more politicing than actually being good at anything.
[06:25:46] <crutchy> if that were the case there would be much competition
[06:26:01] <crutchy> the whole idea of a 'competitor' is that they compete
[06:26:07] <crutchy> ie: try to beat you
[06:26:09] <SpallsHurgenson> hell, Company X sees that Company Y is doing task Z in a stupid way (but it isn't really costing them much money), X'll do task Z in the same way too :)
[06:26:14] <ar> https://pbs.twimg.com - haha
[06:26:24] <SpallsHurgenson> there's competition towards inefficiency too :)
[06:26:40] <arti> crutchy, nobid contracts whut.
[06:26:43] <crutchy> inefficiency isn't good for profit margins
[06:27:00] <arti> you're an engineer, i understand your reasoning :D
[06:27:02] <crutchy> nobid contracts suck, but only governments do them
[06:27:20] <arti> most of the shit that powers our government is done by companies.
[06:27:37] <crutchy> nothing wrong with that
[06:27:47] * arti thinks things should be done in house
[06:27:58] <crutchy> like the soviets :p
[06:28:08] <SpallsHurgenson> profit margins aren't as compelling a motivation to corporations as you might think; laziness, ego and politics trump it by far :) :)
[06:28:17] <arti> seems to be working out for them, NSA can't get into typewriters
[06:28:36] <juggs> crutchy, your competition view is naive. Large corps win big contracts not by being the most efficient, there is much greasing of wheels that goes on before contracts are awarded.
[06:28:45] <SpallsHurgenson> thank god corporations and government are run by people or we'd all be in big trouble :)
[06:28:55] <arti> aint that the truth :P
[06:28:56] <crutchy> profit is *the* motivation. even for employees. its the only reason why most of us get up in the morning to go to work
[06:29:06] <arti> i go for the coffee.
[06:29:11] <crutchy> we all wanna get paid
[06:29:48] <SpallsHurgenson> most people do the minimum work they can in order to get that pay though... from the janitor to the CEO :)
[06:30:07] <crutchy> that works until someone else comes along that can do the same work cheaper
[06:30:35] <arti> crutchy, if that were true there wouldn't be any highly paid CEOs.
[06:31:00] <crutchy> dunno. most people have no idea what its like to be a ceo
[06:31:09] <crutchy> i certainly wouldn't want to be one
[06:31:14] <arti> guess that's why they're worth 100s of millions
[06:31:22] <juggs> http://www.bbc.co.uk Bloke gets criminal record for prank that offends the puritanical sensibility of Daily Mail readers.
[06:31:23] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03BBC News - Ceri Morgan uploaded pornography onto Tesco iPad in Swansea
[06:31:33] <arti> father of the year :D
[06:32:05] <crutchy> if you swindle millions of monies out of the government with bullshit, i guess that's worth something
[06:32:06] <juggs> Bewbs are porn! All bewbs must be covered!
[06:32:13] <arti> crutchy, if you want to be a CEO try running your own company :D
[06:32:30] <crutchy> i don't wanna be a ceo
[06:32:42] <crutchy> but in a way i'm a ceo of my little family company
[06:32:48] <juggs> crutchy for CEO SoylentNews! :D
[06:32:51] <arti> child labor unites :D
[06:32:52] <crutchy> we all are, and its a stressful job
[06:34:21] <SpallsHurgenson> 30 years ago I was "hacking" display computers at Radio Shack with "10 Print BOOBIES 20 Goto 10"... it's amazing I wasn't sent to jail for such a heinous crime :)
[06:35:09] <crutchy> as long as you didn't display pictures of ankles
[06:35:44] <SpallsHurgenson> I dunno if ASCII porn had been invented yet back then :)
[06:36:04] <crutchy> 10 years ago seems like ancient history
[06:36:33] <SpallsHurgenson> seems like yesterday to me
[06:36:34] <crutchy> that's like when hashghanistan was being invaded to kill all the talibums
[06:37:00] <juggs> Did the anzacs come along for that ride too?
[06:38:11] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm always like, "Oh, I did this or that just the other day" and the person I'm talking to is all, "That was THREE years ago, man!"
[06:39:31] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm pretty sure time is moving faster in my general vicinity. I think it might be a relativistic thing. Also, I've been getting fatter and redder :)
[06:42:48] <juggs> Might want to get a blood pressure check
[06:43:27] <juggs> And yah, time appears to pass faster the older one gets... and in the morning, especially in the morning.
[06:44:43] <SpallsHurgenson> I, as is my wont, blame Microsoft
[06:45:17] <crutchy> yeah i think ol' johnny coward was one of the first "leaders" to call the white house to offer condolences and aussie lives
[06:46:03] <crutchy> after new york underwent its renovations
[06:46:25] <juggs> well we all have to maintain our "special relationship" with the US :D
[06:47:06] <crutchy> did any of you guys have family lost in the towers?
[06:47:25] <arti> they should've asked the help desk for directions.
[06:47:32] <SpallsHurgenson> hey, 'merka got nooks and they ain't afraid to use 'em. You wanna be nice to be the screamin' nutter waving around a big gun :)
[06:48:31] <arti> seems like most of the conflicts today are the result of colonial bs.
[06:48:42] <crutchy> i reckon the soviets were a bit more of a worry back in their day
[06:48:58] <juggs> Uch, BBC News may have to move to my salacious headline touting bucket of fail. It's like reading a bunch of local newsrags all at once combined with a spattering of "we should all be offended by this $thing". Shame.
[06:49:00] <SpallsHurgenson> personally, I blame people. but don't worry, I'm working on that problem. Skynet will be up and running any day now :)
[06:49:41] * arti is tempted to have another bowl of soup
[06:49:54] <crutchy> i was thinking about how i could adapt exec to implement self-modifying code
[06:50:21] <crutchy> real simple stuff
[06:50:25] <crutchy> nothing spectacular
[06:50:59] * juggs introduces chillies to arti's soup....
[06:51:11] * arti eats lots of heat already
[06:51:15] <SpallsHurgenson> would that let it hack into the US nuclear arsenal? :)
[06:51:31] <arti> serrano peppers are my current go to for easy heat
[06:51:51] <arti> i've got habanero here too
[06:52:13] * crutchy has some chilli in his noodles
[06:52:17] <juggs> And who would be responsible if a bot self-modified itself to do such things?
[06:52:22] <arti> crutchy!
[06:52:46] <juggs> chilli on the noodle is overrated
[06:52:57] <crutchy> i was just thinking of modifications based on irc chit chat
[06:53:11] <arti> shut. down. everything.
[06:53:24] <SpallsHurgenson> hmmm... that doesn't help me with project skynet then. :)
[06:53:48] <arti> so for example if we talk a lot about oatmeal, it will become tastier?
[06:53:52] <crutchy> same as any other script but instead of storing in a db it changes the script code
[06:54:09] <crutchy> prolly would need to have a bit of tdd to make sure it didn't self-terminate
[06:54:11] <arti> just don't write it as best as you can, since debugging is 2x as hard.
[06:54:38] <crutchy> i like the idea of a program debugging itself
[06:54:55] <crutchy> unless there's a bug in the debugger. then you're buggered
[06:54:59] <SpallsHurgenson> more likely to rebug itself :)
[06:55:05] <juggs> oatmeal could never be described as tasty. Porridge is a fine start to the day if combined with Golden Syrup... but even then it is more fuel than "tasty".
[06:55:16] <crutchy> tastywheat?
[06:55:43] <arti> chicken?
[06:56:05] <crutchy> yeah i reckon the matrix got the taste of oatmeal wrong too
[06:56:22] <arti> crutchy, if it debugged itself, it would just use up all cpu like an amerifat
[06:56:29] * crutchy submits bug report
[06:56:49] <SpallsHurgenson> this can't be the matrix; nothing around here is tinged in green
[06:57:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Claims that Climate Models Overestimate Warming are "Unfounded", Study Shows - http://sylnt.us - removing-hot-air-from-climate-debate
[06:57:46] <crutchy> arti, nah i was more thinking of spawning a test copy, modifying it, running tests and then if the test instance didn't kark it the test instance restarts original instance
[06:58:03] <crutchy> or summin along them lines
[06:58:30] <crutchy> need some kind of way to measure success/failure of modifications
[06:59:11] <arti> tests.
[06:59:19] <arti> writing tests suck.
[06:59:23] <crutchy> modifications would prolly be manual to begin with, sort of like programming from irc (live scripts)
[06:59:40] <arti> it makes sense in the long run, but bleh.
[06:59:41] <crutchy> i was thinking of maybe trying to automate writing tests. not sure how yet
[06:59:54] <arti> "i just have it change random bytes and then test it.
[07:00:03] <crutchy> lol or that
[07:00:04] <ciri> heh
[07:00:27] <arti> what's cool with the tests though is you know pretty much instantly if something has broken.
[07:00:41] <juggs> http://www.bbc.co.uk from the all children develop mentally at the exact same rate, the all children encounter puberty at the exact same age, the all children are the same if you mould them enough department.
[07:00:42] <arti> where it gets hairy is integration tests
[07:00:42] <ciri> somewhere out on the WEB i guess arti
[07:00:42] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03BBC News - Nicky Morgan announces 'war on illiteracy and innumeracy'
[07:00:47] <crutchy> yeah. any kind of evolving thing would really need tests
[07:01:00] <crutchy> integration testing is tricky
[07:01:04] <chromas> crutchy: make it so you can ~sed the source
[07:01:12] <arti> greetings chromas
[07:01:17] <crutchy> lol yeah that would be cool :D
[07:01:18] <ciri> hehehe
[07:01:30] * arti manifests gift skittles
[07:01:37] <crutchy> was thinking maybe could just piggyback the live scripting thingy
[07:01:39] <chromas> ~bday arti
[07:01:40] <arti> look, full sized packages.
[07:02:00] <chromas> packages++
[07:02:00] <Bender> karma - packages: 1
[07:03:41] <arti> does bday set my bday to now?
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[07:03:56] <arti> sorta like let artibday = time; ?
[07:04:15] <chromas> s/g/g'/
[07:04:15] <sedctl> <chromas> packag'es++
[07:04:22] <chromas> Derp
[07:04:35] * chromas blames Microsoft
[07:04:46] <crutchy> ciri has been an inspiration
[07:05:06] <arti> glad to be of service, don't kill anyone please.
[07:05:18] <crutchy> i'm to lazy to do that
[07:05:23] <juggs> Would I be alone in being concerned that ciri is an inspiration?
[07:05:40] <arti> nope :D
[07:05:43] <chromas> tama is also inspirational
[07:06:08] * crutchy imagines an evolving programming language
[07:06:21] <arti> you should write papers on it
[07:06:24] <arti> just change it every time
[07:06:41] <arti> call it Soon(tm)
[07:06:42] <crutchy> why should there be only one way to write a for loop?
[07:06:54] <crutchy> haha. more like Never(c)
[07:07:07] <arti> HalfBaked
[07:07:24] <juggs> crutchy, use while loops?
[07:07:32] <chromas> If you wrote the loop different, then it would be a different loop
[07:07:51] <crutchy> i meant why should the syntax be fixed?
[07:08:09] <crutchy> if there's no humans directly editing the source code
[07:08:16] <arti> just write a function to do it :D
[07:08:25] <crutchy> summin like that yeah
[07:08:38] <chromas> crutchy: make the bot write opcodes
[07:08:47] <arti> call it a shiterator functor
[07:08:55] <crutchy> still php or whatever underneath, but varying syntax in irc to achieve the same thing
[07:08:58] <crutchy> lol
[07:09:14] <crutchy> !grab arti
[07:09:14] <Bender> Added quote 372
[07:09:26] <arti> "these are all highly technical terms, you wouldn't understand them."
[07:10:00] <juggs> No reason for the syntax to be fixed, it all gets compiled down to logic in the end. What you are wanting to do is code up a natural language interpretation engine. Sound great. But the reality is, it's not done yet, hence we use various fixed syntax to instruct our machines what to do.
[07:10:40] <crutchy> "its not artificial intelligence, but its artificial and we think we're intelligent for making it, so we're now going to call it artificial intelligence"
[07:12:36] <crutchy> juggs, i'm just sort of thinking of a way to code changes from irc without editing source files directly, so it would be some sort of pseudo-code that gets converted to php. to begin with the translations would be simple and atomic, with the idea to build more and more translations on
[07:12:44] <juggs> Unless you change the very nature of the hardware of 'pewters, no matter how many layers of abstraction we lay on top of it, it's just executing logic. So why bother extrapolating the coding language beyond logic unless that extrapolating makes it easier to program.
[07:13:21] <arti> it'll be a learning project if anything
[07:13:24] <crutchy> something like tama's <reply> syntax for example
[07:13:29] <arti> writing a parser is pretty cool
[07:14:00] <arti> ooh i see what you're saying
[07:14:26] <arti> just depends on what you expose via keywords.
[07:14:34] <crutchy> eventually you could write new translations based on previous translations
[07:15:27] <crutchy> so you might start with something like "loop i array" => for ($i=0;$i<count($array);$i++)
[07:15:32] <crutchy> as one translation
[07:15:49] <juggs> crutchy, wouldn't you need some defined structure for pseudo-code submissions to be able to parse them? If so all youwill have created is another layer of abstraction. Not necessarily a bad thing, but I don't think it's going to achieve what you are aiming for.
[07:16:43] <crutchy> juggs, need some level of tdd and multi-process approach to prevent the bot from terminating due to botched modification
[07:17:22] <arti> i have an excellent project name: Cowboy.
[07:17:40] <crutchy> isn't there a drink already named that?
[07:18:56] <arti> well we can make up a word then
[07:18:59] <arti> 4328048302dadlkjajdflljafdajfld
[07:19:08] <arti> rolls off the tongue
[07:19:37] <arti> sounds like an icelandic volcano
[07:20:06] <crutchy> could call it "Copy (34) of New Folder"
[07:23:54] <crutchy> juggs, yeah its pretty much just another abstraction layer. prolly never happen, but i've got some of the pieces so might be something i can tinker with if i'm bored
[07:24:43] <crutchy> not gunna make the bot source modifyable. would just make a separate script
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[07:25:53] <juggs> crutchy, but ultimately, no matter how many layers of abstraction and interpretation you layer on, the end result is going to be executed by the bunch of logic gates that is baked into your processor. There's no intelligence at that level, just following of instruction. Maybe it's possible to mimic intelligent behaviour in the more abstracted levels, but that would be all it would be, mimicry of intelligence.
[07:26:32] <crutchy> oh there's nothing remotely intelligent about what i'm proposing
[07:26:58] <juggs> At that point we have to get all philosophical about what defines intelligent and self-aware :D
[07:27:07] <crutchy> started off as a thought about self-modifying code
[07:28:15] <juggs> hmm.. why would you want unintelligent code to modify itself?
[07:28:33] <crutchy> cos it might be fun :p
[07:28:52] <crutchy> or more to the point; it might lead to some fun behavior :)
[07:29:54] <crutchy> there's some security implications of allowing any man and his dog/cat to perform an operation that results in modification of source code, but that's why abstraction is important
[07:30:39] <juggs> That sounds like a very good reason. Fun is underrated for anyone's definition of $fun.
[07:31:44] <crutchy> ciri and tama are fun to play with. they're not really intelligent either, but you can make them say stuff. their programs deal with data though, so i'm thinking similar but slightly different
[07:32:30] <crutchy> actually i'm not really sure what i'm thinking, but it might be fun to see if it turns into anything someday
[07:33:30] <arti> you get better by doing
[07:33:45] <juggs> mad scientists! Unafraid of fail. We need more of this.
[07:33:59] <crutchy> ew science
[07:34:21] <juggs> ookay... call it experimentation.
[07:34:32] <crutchy> wackery hackery :p
[07:34:56] <juggs> Your not doing science unless you do the whole hypothesis thing
[07:35:03] <crutchy> keep throwing shit at the wall and see what sticks
[07:35:05] <juggs> you're*
[07:35:15] <crutchy> yeah i hate science
[07:35:24] <crutchy> that's why i became a gingerbeer
[07:35:36] <crutchy> we just make stuff
[07:35:51] * juggs drinks crutchy with a dash of scotch
[07:36:04] <juggs> da fuq is a gingerbeer?
[07:37:51] <crutchy> ~define ginger beer
[07:37:55] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3ginger beer: Cockney rhyming slang for a homosexual man. Ginger Beer.... Queer! I have also heard it used in relation to engineers, though I suspect they didn't like it very much!
[07:38:08] <crutchy> the second part :p
[07:38:19] <juggs> Mrs Crutchy will want to know
[07:38:23] <crutchy> lol
[07:38:24] <ciri> lol damn!
[07:39:08] <crutchy> http://www.smh.com.au
[07:39:09] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03RBA rate cut expectations rise
[07:39:12] <crutchy> why?
[07:39:38] <crutchy> dipshits don't get that rates *need* to rise
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[07:41:20] <crutchy> "While some exporters will likely feel the pain from a lower Aussie [dollar]"
[07:41:22] <crutchy> wtf?
[07:41:32] <crutchy> who writes this garbage?
[07:42:05] <arti> mmm gingerbeer
[07:42:18] <juggs> If the central bank raises rates, they get no takers, so they have no means to emit more $. There's several EU central banks offering negative rates on bonds and still getting takers as the best option for storage of currency. I'd say it forewarns of a deflationary cycle ahead.
[07:42:45] <juggs> ** I am not an economist.
[07:43:00] <crutchy> i don't get the fascination with deflation. who ever complained about stuff getting cheaper?
[07:43:28] <arti> We need to go deeper!
[07:43:52] <crutchy> gingerbeer is best sucked through a straw
[07:44:35] <juggs> On a simple level, people stop buying shit when deflation hits because it will be cheaper to buy tomorrow. That becomes self-fulfilling, no money moves, so there is nothing to tax, no tax the country goes bust.
[07:44:53] <crutchy> heh. that's the theory. not much to support it though
[07:45:02] <crutchy> people always buy shit
[07:45:07] <arti> nothing to tax! they tax incomes :D
[07:45:29] <arti> crutchy, farmers buy lots of shit :D
[07:45:57] <crutchy> they have shit generators
[07:46:35] <crutchy> have you ever met someone (especially a woman) that said they would wait to buy something till it got cheaper?
[07:47:00] <juggs> It's the opposite of eternal growth that unfortunately we seem to be wedded to. The only growth in that model is printing more money to pass the bag on to the next generation. It seems the music stopped on that game and their aren't enough chairs. We live in interesting times.
[07:47:20] <arti> don't buy food today, it'll be cheaper tomorrow
[07:47:24] <crutchy> lol
[07:47:24] <ciri> HAHAHAHA
[07:47:25] <juggs> there*
[07:48:40] <crutchy> things like credit cards and laybuy are examples of why the deflation theory doesn't hold water; i can't wait till its cheaper! i must have it *today* even though i can't yet afford it!
[07:48:49] <juggs> arti, people and businesses put off discretionary spending. Sure the food bill will continue, but unprocessed foods don;t carry a VAT levy in most places.
[07:50:51] <arti> if you need something you get it, pass the cost on.
[07:51:10] <arti> if people were so simple they'd never buy anything anyway
[07:51:20] <arti> take computers, you can just wait and there will be better ones
[07:51:25] <arti> why buy?
[07:51:26] <juggs> crutchy, what deflation theory? I'm not aware of any mainstream economic theory that is based in anything but eternal inflation and growth of circulated currency volume - i.e. kicking the can to the next generation by creating fictitious debt
[07:51:34] <arti> same with cars
[07:52:01] <crutchy> i mean the irrational fear of deflation; you mentioned people putting off spending if they think things will get cheaper
[07:52:54] <crutchy> normal behavior is if things get cheaper, more people buy them (unless there's a new model - in case of things like iphones)
[07:53:14] <crutchy> that's why supermarkets have 'specials'
[07:54:14] <crutchy> now that oil is cheaper, you can be sure that people are still buying gas/petrol
[07:54:17] <crutchy> prolly moreso
[07:54:42] * chromas goes out and buys two suvs
[07:54:49] <crutchy> heh
[07:54:56] <crutchy> good time to be a truckie
[07:55:40] <chromas> suvs—trucks for people who don't need trucks
[07:56:00] <crutchy> but you need something to carry all your subwoofers
[07:56:35] <arti> i want something that smells like a steak and seats 35 and is equipped to go across arctic tundra
[07:56:47] <crutchy> cow seal?
[07:57:01] <arti> canyonero
[07:57:16] <chromas> we need more LTDs and Oldsmobiles
[07:57:21] <crutchy> dammit. now i got that song stuck in my head
[07:57:40] <chromas> When I crash, I'd like the car to be big enough I can get out before the cab reaches the accident
[07:57:47] <crutchy> lol
[07:58:18] <arti> haha
[07:58:23] <crutchy> if you go to iraq you might be able to pick up a cheap abrams
[07:58:34] <arti> prices so low, you'll lose your head.
[07:58:55] <arti> anyword what japan is going to do?
[07:59:11] <crutchy> they're always throwing french slave girls in with deals
[07:59:33] <arti> why would you want them? they're no good for lifting
[07:59:33] <chromas> Why does japan have french slave girls?
[07:59:41] <juggs> crutchy, you are conflating mandatory expenditure (food / fuel) with discretionary expenditure. Why would anyone by a $X_discretionary now if $X_discretionary will be $50 less next month?
[07:59:45] <arti> maybe for them to poop on
[08:00:12] <arti> seems contrived.
[08:00:15] <crutchy> juggs, beats me. ask the entire western world, which has a massive overspending problem
[08:00:32] <arti> i like to overspend on calorie rich foods.
[08:00:37] * arti jiggles
[08:01:04] <crutchy> australia has a massive level of personal debt
[08:01:09] <juggs> not so much the last few years crutchy, hence deflation. People are not spending shit on the whole.
[08:01:50] <crutchy> more people are broke
[08:02:07] <crutchy> being incapable of spending != desire to spend
[08:02:17] <crutchy> *lack of desire
[08:02:39] <crutchy> banks are more reluctant to lend money since 2008
[08:02:52] <juggs> Not sure if that is because more people are living hand to mouth or if they are choosing to hold of on spending. I suspect the former given that wages have failed to keep up with inflation for at least a decade.
[08:03:03] <juggs> off*
[08:03:24] <crutchy> wages not keeping up with inflation is a good sign that inflation is too high
[08:03:57] <crutchy> you can't just wave a magic wand to make businesses be able to pay their workers more
[08:04:42] <crutchy> (talking about main street small/mediums - not the wall street government welfare queens)
[08:06:21] <crutchy> but yeah a lot of people are being adversely affected by central bank shenanigans
[08:06:22] <juggs> I recommend Inside Job (2010) to those that like to torrent / usenet such things. It covers the leverage aspect really well.
[08:07:37] <crutchy> milton friedman, peter schifff and ron paul are three interesting economists
[08:08:01] <crutchy> lots of youtubes
[08:08:18] <juggs> must be good of they have tubes!
[08:09:03] <crutchy> problem is a lot of the Keynesian bullshit is being taught in universities. they tell kids that keynes saved the world from the great depression :/
[08:14:04] <juggs> Keynes was what I was fed in secondary school in the mid/late 80s. I guess most peeps now in charge of such matters were similarly educated. I'd hope it's no longer being taught as a science these days.
[08:16:38] <arti> http://imgur.com
[08:16:38] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Saw this on r/adviceanimals, had to share it with Imgur - Imgur
[08:37:04] <crutchy> "This is Rad(ians)!" :D
[08:37:05] <chromas> http://thedailyshow.cc.com
[08:37:05] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03So You're Living in a Police State - The Daily Show - Video Clip | Comedy Central
[08:37:28] <crutchy> i like some of john stewart stuff
[08:39:44] <crutchy> dammit. not available :/
[08:41:20] <arti> everybody wants to be on television!
[08:43:37] <chromas> viacom--
[08:43:37] <Bender> karma - viacom: -1
[08:43:51] <chromas> still can't find the one I was looking for though :(
[08:44:29] <arti> hate that
[08:44:38] <arti> "it's on the tip of my browser"
[08:45:20] <chromas> it was relevant an hour ago. now it's old hat :)
[08:45:44] <arti> we can have retro hours
[08:45:59] <arti> "you said tomorrow yesterday"
[08:47:37] <crutchy> "you said 2 minutes 5 minutes ago"
[08:59:54] <ar> chromas: nice one
[09:03:06] <crutchy> chromas, there's a lot of jon stewart shorts on youtube
[09:03:39] <crutchy> my youtube search-fu is pretty shit though. i usually just type 'jon stewart' and click the related links
[09:03:44] <chromas> I'm not finding it anywhere. I must have the wrong keywords
[09:05:18] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[09:05:18] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03The Daily Show - Rage Against the Rage Against the Machine - YouTube
[09:05:21] <crutchy> :D
[09:14:21] <crutchy> Konomi, https://www.youtube.com
[09:14:22] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03The Daily Show with Jon Stewart 1/30/2015: The War on Ballsacks - Video Clip | Comedy Central - YouTube
[09:15:06] -!- Ironic_Hipster [Ironic_Hipster!~62b0c941@mj83-211-896-29.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #Soylent
[09:15:11] <Konomi> classy title
[09:15:15] <Ironic_Hipster> gottdamn im drunk
[09:15:19] <Ironic_Hipster> hi konomi
[09:15:19] <ciri> hello Ironic_Hipster
[09:15:32] <Ironic_Hipster> time to reaload beers and appel ciders
[09:15:55] <Konomi> juggs: who broke whois for soylent it only gives one line?
[09:16:13] <Ironic_Hipster> whois is for nosy motherfuckers
[09:16:21] <chromas> I got a bunch of lines
[09:16:23] <Ironic_Hipster> mid yer own gotdamn bidnezz
[09:16:27] <chromas> but we already know who it is
[09:16:28] <Konomi> hmm nevermind I must've typoed the command
[09:17:03] <Ironic_Hipster> my name is DeShaun. I am a Black man.
[09:17:17] <Konomi> nice try
[09:17:22] <Ironic_Hipster> Black hair presents its own share of challenges when growing ironic mustaches.
[09:17:35] * chromas gets practices his illegal chokeholds
[09:17:36] <ar> hello Konomi.
[09:17:36] <ciri> hello ar
[09:17:44] <ar> ciri: i'm not talking to you
[09:17:45] <Konomi> hey ar
[09:18:07] <Ironic_Hipster> for that purpose, I endorse these -> http://www.amazon.com
[09:18:09] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Amazon.com : Bump Fighter Shaving Kit : Beauty
[09:18:12] <Ironic_Hipster> ar, thats up?
[09:18:15] <Ironic_Hipster> whats up?
[09:18:30] <ar> notmuch. i'm going to ikea
[09:19:05] <Ironic_Hipster> ikea
[09:19:17] <swiss> ikea is wonderful
[09:19:27] <Ironic_Hipster> the fish smegma stew can't be beat. They serve it next to the svierkengierken.
[09:19:37] <ar> lego for adults ;)
[09:20:02] <Ironic_Hipster> My ikea bed takes a good fuckin' without banging against walls
[09:20:56] <crutchy> !ping ethanol_fueled
[09:21:03] <Ironic_Hipster> http://www.ikea.com
[09:21:16] <crutchy> ah. it is e-f
[09:21:18] <Ironic_Hipster> pretty much my IKEA bed wtihout the ugly colred shit inttni
[09:21:19] <crutchy> aye focker!
[09:21:47] <arti> looks like a second life model
[09:21:52] <Ironic_Hipster> I'm here under this name because there's a chance my girlfriend may wake up and look at this.
[09:21:54] <arti> "now with less polys"
[09:22:08] <Ironic_Hipster> arti, the bedfram is simple, but that's what makes it strong.
[09:22:11] <arti> "this is a ps2 era bed"
[09:22:35] <Ironic_Hipster> You can position it an inch from walls on all sides, ram the shit on it, and it won't bump.
[09:22:35] <arti> i value the same qualities in people.
[09:23:01] <Ironic_Hipster> the only thing that does make noise are teh two sets of slats they ake you buy to support the mattress, and those slats squeek quietly
[09:23:09] <arti> fekking slats.
[09:23:48] <Ironic_Hipster> The slats are how they get you. If I were still an anti-semite I'd make a slut about how and who are the reasons for making you buy those slats
[09:24:06] <arti> they're flat as a board too
[09:24:28] <swiss> Ironic_Hipster: i think i have that same bed
[09:24:34] <Ironic_Hipster> in retrospect a couple hand-cut sheets of plywood would be sturdier and possibly quieter.
[09:24:38] <swiss> Ironic_Hipster: i got the underberd drawers though
[09:24:43] <Ironic_Hipster> swiss, let me get teh manual for the bed...
[09:24:56] <arti> did you two just become best friends?
[09:25:08] * arti sees sim ++ bubbles appear
[09:25:15] <swiss> and you know you can buy a DIFFERENT set of slats for it?
[09:25:20] <swiss> there's multiple kinds
[09:25:29] <arti> i'd invest in stealth slats
[09:25:34] <swiss> cause they're badass mofos that make things compatible at ikea
[09:26:34] <Ironic_Hipster> Agreed.
[09:27:10] <crutchy> coinslats
[09:27:15] <Ironic_Hipster> Bed is as rock-solid as an old-skool UNIX installation. It squeaks sometimes but never falls apart on you.
[09:27:22] <swiss> yep
[09:27:31] <swiss> i'm on my ikea couch right now typin this
[09:27:40] <Ironic_Hipster> fuck you couch
[09:27:53] <swiss> next to my ikea detolf with a an ikea synas on top of it on one side
[09:28:03] <swiss> and my ikea lack table on the other
[09:28:21] <swiss> staring at my kallax and my lack cofee table that has become my TV stand
[09:28:34] * swiss has an ikea showroom instead of a house
[09:28:48] <Ironic_Hipster> the showroom gets my dick hard
[09:28:52] <crutchy> i'm staring at my icypole that's disappearing
[09:28:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Planck: Gravitational Waves Remain Elusive - http://sylnt.us - weighty-subject
[09:28:59] <crutchy> cos i'm eating it
[09:29:04] <Ironic_Hipster> okay, found what my bed is...it's a Malm
[09:29:09] <Ironic_Hipster> http://www.ikea.com
[09:29:13] <swiss> oh, mine isn't
[09:29:38] <swiss> i'm a brusali
[09:29:48] <Ironic_Hipster> crutchy, can you eat my icypole?
[09:30:07] <swiss> i think the malm didn't let the bed sink low enough for my tastes
[09:30:25] <crutchy> dunno. if you freeze it and make it taste like cola i might
[09:30:25] <swiss> though i may have sank my bed too low, since it squishes a tiny bit below the frame
[09:30:27] <Ironic_Hipster> swiss, the malm wasn't designed to ride high, that's for sure.
[09:30:49] <Ironic_Hipster> It's like a modern economy car, can't even reach your arm under it without pinching something.
[09:31:46] <Ironic_Hipster> snagged a fat double-pillowtop mattress worth $400ish for $200ish because it was a plastic-wrapped display model
[09:31:57] <Ironic_Hipster> has period stains all over it.
[09:32:34] <Ironic_Hipster> definitely not the kind of mattress you want exposed with company, haha
[09:33:04] <crutchy> they might just think you killed someone
[09:33:27] <Ironic_Hipster> crutchy...killed THAT PUSSY *elbow elbow wink wink*
[09:33:30] <Ironic_Hipster> BOOYA!
[09:33:30] <crutchy> "i don't trust anything that bleeds for 5 days and doesn't die"
[09:33:45] <swiss> lol
[09:33:45] <ciri> rofl
[09:34:13] <swiss> Ironic_Hipster: brusali is nice, but building it with the mounts at the VERY bottom position was a mistake
[09:34:18] <swiss> should have gone one up
[09:34:26] <swiss> also, having drawers under the bed is 10/10
[09:34:38] <Ironic_Hipster> swiss: the lower the center of gravity, the better. Also drawers.
[09:34:43] <swiss> i throw spare blankets and pillows in there
[09:35:05] <Ironic_Hipster> if I could fit things under mine, the less dirt and dust would accumulate under my bed.
[09:35:23] <Ironic_Hipster> swiss - most importantly, SPARE SHEETS>
[09:35:25] <swiss> also, i would agree, but the matress goes below the bedframe when i lay on it
[09:35:32] <swiss> spare sheets are in my hall cupboard
[09:35:42] <Ironic_Hipster> swiss, it seems to me that you didn't buy the slats.
[09:35:50] <swiss> i did
[09:35:56] <swiss> they just have 2 different kinds of slads
[09:35:58] <swiss> slats
[09:36:21] <swiss> lonset and luroy
[09:37:29] <crutchy> Ironic_Hipster, s/a/u/2
[09:37:29] <sedctl> <crutchy> <Ironic_Hipster> swiss, it seems to me that you didn't buy the sluts.
[09:38:01] <swiss> http://www.benritasuke77.com is the top mount, low mount mounts it at the bottom of the wood
[09:39:06] <swiss> bedtime for me. Gotta wake up and buy stuff to wash the motorcycle tomorrow
[09:40:27] <Ironic_Hipster> lata
[09:40:37] <Ironic_Hipster> be bedtime for me too soon.
[09:40:37] <ciri> where you going? Ironic_Hipster
[09:40:50] <Ironic_Hipster> fuck off, ciri
[09:41:10] <Ironic_Hipster> goddamn, i hate that bitch. Which one of you fucks spawned ciri?
[09:41:22] * Ironic_Hipster glares angrily towards crutchy
[09:41:46] <crutchy> ciri not mine
[09:41:56] <crutchy> exec is my biatch
[09:42:02] <chromas> ciri++ # pleases everyone
[09:42:02] <Bender> karma - ciri: -37
[09:42:09] <crutchy> ~openthepodbaydoors
[09:42:10] <exec> Hark, Hark, the dogs do bark
[09:42:10] <exec> The Duke is fond of kittens
[09:42:10] <exec> He likes to take their insides out
[09:42:10] <exec> And use them for his mittens
[09:42:10] <exec> -- The Thirteen Clocks
[09:42:10] <Hedonismbot> Karma - : -1
[09:42:31] <chromas> karma needs a filter
[09:48:19] <Konomi> crutchy: odd video ~
[09:48:45] <crutchy> jon stewart is odd
[09:48:53] <crutchy> it was funny though
[09:49:16] <crutchy> just mentioned you cos i think you've posted some links about it before. thought you might like it
[09:49:42] <crutchy> i hate it when anyone (guy or girl) takes up more space than they need to
[09:50:14] <chromas> what makes it weird is the tv graphic around it
[09:50:29] <crutchy> yeah. dunno why they do that
[09:50:35] <Konomi> yeah what do you do with round controls?
[09:50:40] <Konomi> bizare I tell you
[09:51:02] <crutchy> when i was a kid we had a "his masters voice" telly
[09:51:17] <crutchy> with the sliders and the mechanical push button channel changers
[09:52:03] <Konomi> his masters voice?
[09:52:07] <Konomi> that sounds kinda
[09:52:09] <Konomi> gay ;p
[09:54:17] <crutchy> prolly looked a bit like this: http://www.radiomuseum.org
[09:54:23] <crutchy> not exactly the same though
[09:54:44] <crutchy> i vaguely remember something about "colourmaster" though
[09:55:00] <Ironic_Hipster> his master's voice.
[09:55:19] <Ironic_Hipster> That was a phonograph company.
[09:55:29] <crutchy> yeah
[09:55:40] <crutchy> they made phonographs, radios, tvs
[09:55:47] <Ironic_Hipster> http://s1029.photobucket.com
[09:55:49] <Ironic_Hipster> RCA.
[09:56:16] <Ironic_Hipster> If you move one letter, and delete one and spell another, it slepps "CIA"
[09:56:41] <Ironic_Hipster> The masters of the media compel you to be the dog listening to YOUR master's voice.
[09:56:54] <chromas> If you then change two letters into three you get "corn"
[09:57:24] <Ironic_Hipster> if you change kernels into logs you can see corn in your logs.
[09:57:29] <crutchy> it was a great tv. i think the red electron gun fucked up. apparently the red one was pretty typical to go first. wasn't usual to go to some places and see the greenish picture
[09:57:44] <crutchy> *unusual
[09:59:14] <Ironic_Hipster> TVs can suck a dick.
[10:00:01] <Ironic_Hipster> fat, useless. Even with modern bells and whistles they never fail to disappoint.
[10:04:02] <crutchy> it wasn't as bad 20 years ago
[10:04:12] <Ironic_Hipster> either was your mom
[10:04:15] <Ironic_Hipster> OOOOHHHHHH
[10:04:18] <Ironic_Hipster> BURRRRRNNNNN
[10:04:30] <crutchy> or 30 years ago. shit i'm getting older
[10:04:34] <crutchy> lol
[10:04:50] <crutchy> join # and type 'tama, yo mama'
[10:05:07] <Ironic_Hipster> I don't get offensive here anymore, crutchy.
[10:05:32] <crutchy> <crutchy> tama, yo mama
[10:05:32] <crutchy> <tama> yo mama is so fat, when Dracula sucked her blood he got diabetes.
[10:05:33] <Ironic_Hipster> I've been tamed...first, by meeting a girl with Jewish blood who treated me well, and second, by being in a relationship.
[10:05:53] <crutchy> you'll get over that
[10:05:58] * chromas gifts Ironic_Hipster a magenta toilet seat cover
[10:06:11] <chromas> fluffy
[10:06:31] <Ironic_Hipster> crutchy, when I do, there will be mass racial slurs flying. It will be like the good old days, when I got banned by juggs and buzzard
[10:06:37] <crutchy> haha
[10:06:51] <Ironic_Hipster> I will chimp out like Donald Duck
[10:07:16] <crutchy> seriously though, if you wanna let fly without the worry about being banned, # is pretty mad
[10:07:31] <crutchy> /join #
[10:07:43] <crutchy> no moderation
[10:07:45] <chromas> and we won't tell the jews what you're up to
[10:07:55] <crutchy> heh
[10:08:15] <Ironic_Hipster> naw, thers nobody in there.
[10:08:45] <Ironic_Hipster> just that hijo de puta crutchy
[10:08:51] <crutchy> lol
[10:08:51] <ciri> HEHEHEHE
[10:08:54] <chromas> that's 'cause you got out before it was cool
[10:09:12] <crutchy> its just a place that you can vent anyway
[10:09:18] <crutchy> or be drunk :p
[10:13:51] <chromas> he doesn't do that anymore, either
[10:17:22] <Ironic_Hipster> im drunk
[10:18:04] <Ironic_Hipster> my girl is sleeping in the Malm bed
[10:19:17] <Ironic_Hipster> i like people.
[10:19:24] <crutchy> people are cunts
[10:19:29] <Ironic_Hipster> I'm not here to fight, Snake.
[10:19:53] <crutchy> :)
[10:20:04] <chromas> "He wanted it. Besides, some people just need killing"
[10:20:31] <Ironic_Hipster> you try to kill me and you will be dead first.
[10:20:46] <Ironic_Hipster> GOD tried and failed to kill me multiple times.
[10:21:15] <Ironic_Hipster> Shall you survive my attack you will be reduced to a micropenis.
[10:21:37] <chromas> so that's what happened to slashdot
[10:21:41] <Ironic_Hipster> stripped naked and humiliated as fodder for all to laugh at.
[10:22:32] <Ironic_Hipster> chromas, Timothy e-mailed me. He told me a bunch of things that were besides the point. But he confided in me that he wanted to suck you off.
[10:22:55] <Ironic_Hipster> He wanted to tongue your frenulum, to taste the fringes of your manhood.
[10:23:46] <chromas> nah, he always wants a tip
[10:23:48] <Ironic_Hipster> He wanted the cloud of your seed on his tongue.
[10:24:05] <chromas> buzzwords
[10:24:18] <chromas> cloud storage
[10:24:37] <Ironic_Hipster> he wanted to suck you until your perenium flicked.
[10:24:48] <Ironic_Hipster> He wanted to hear you bark.
[10:25:11] <chromas> I think he only has relations with subscribers
[10:25:28] <Ironic_Hipster> Ethanol-fueled was a subscriber.
[10:25:58] <Ironic_Hipster> but fuck that miserable piece of shit Ethanol-fueled. Ethanol-fueled is a racist, sexist piece of shit.
[10:26:11] <Ironic_Hipster> I hope Ethanol-fueled DIES IN A FIRE>
[10:26:52] <Ironic_Hipster> God, I HATE RACISTS!
[10:27:01] <chromas> You racisist
[10:27:09] <chromas> racisophobe
[10:28:06] <Ironic_Hipster> When a person is racist, it means they secretly want a black cock to penetrate a blonde woman.
[10:28:31] <Ironic_Hipster> A tight, petite blonde woman....to the point where that fat black cock pulls the pink inside out.
[10:28:53] <Ironic_Hipster> They hate themselves for thinking so...oh, GOD, what's wrong with me?
[10:29:05] <Ironic_Hipster> It's so FILTHY...yet so CAPTIVATING.
[10:29:20] <Ironic_Hipster> GrrrerrrrAAAAAAHHHHRHHRHRHRHRHHRHRHHHRHHHHGHGHGHGHHH!!
[10:30:04] <Ironic_Hipster> https://www.youtube.com
[10:30:05] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Vaginal Jesus - Slave Run Away Beat Rodney Down - YouTube
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[13:45:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin all
[13:45:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:45:04] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1021
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[14:32:17] <janrinok> Hi guys
[14:34:04] <janrinok> We celebrate our 1st birthday later this month - anyone know which day we officially call our 'birthday'?
[14:36:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> heya janrinok, long time.
[14:36:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> um, not a clue.
[14:36:46] <janrinok> TMB - hi to you too. I've been around but not on IRC
[14:36:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, nod nod.
[14:37:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> lemme look on the db and see when our first story was.
[14:37:31] <janrinok> The update seems to be going OK - thx for all of your efforts
[14:40:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://soylentnews.org
[14:40:17] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN article: Welcome to SoylentNews! 04(23 comments)
[14:40:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> you betcha
[14:40:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like the 12th
[14:40:48] <janrinok> I'll get some beers in!
[14:41:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs should write up a happy birthday story.
[14:42:08] <janrinok> yeah, lets pile more tasks on him lol!
[14:42:21] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[14:42:44] <janrinok> how's things with you?
[14:44:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, got three fishing poles replaced out of the four that got stolen. homeowner's claim is going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of $1500 with a $1k deductible.
[14:44:57] <janrinok> ouch - I didn't even know that you had been robbed. Must keep up to date with what's going on....
[14:44:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> and now officially on leave from coding anything for the month so i can get myself moved.
[14:45:07] <janrinok> where to?
[14:45:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> neighborhood of Jackson, TN
[14:45:36] <janrinok> just fancied a change, or is it work related?
[14:46:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> neither. got a bud of mine moving out there to be near his kids again and he wanted company. so i shut my roving sysadmin company down and am going with him.
[14:47:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> i could use a good long vacation really.
[14:47:08] <janrinok> good luck with the move. When do you expect to be back online?
[14:47:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh i don't expect i'll be properly offline much more than a week but i won't have time to spend every weekday morning coding like usual.
[14:48:12] <janrinok> you could do with a break, take it easy and enjoy yourself for a while
[14:48:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> gotta pack and arrange someone to mow the lawn and keep an eye on my house.
[14:48:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> may sell it, may not. for now it's just gonna sit empty.
[14:49:02] <janrinok> what is the property market like at present? Here, it's a bit flat.
[14:56:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, in my town it would get me roughly 125-150% what I paid for it.
[14:56:58] <janrinok> not to be sneezed at then...
[14:57:17] <janrinok> .. but you'd have to look at prices where you are going too
[14:58:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> have, they're surprisingly low but i'm not looking to buy out there. probably just help my bud with his rent for a year or two while he decides if he wants to buy out there or not.
[14:59:28] <janrinok> ah OK. What's the fishing like at the new location? :)
[15:00:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> freaking amazing. you can't hardly go a mile without seeing some pond, river, or lake in TN.
[15:00:09] <janrinok> heaven!
[15:00:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, ima be hard pressed to find a favorite spot for a while.
[15:00:48] <janrinok> I'm sure you'll find something....
[15:01:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> get this, bud is opening a new branch out there that's just him until things pick up. currently he'll be working like 5 out of every 30 days.
[15:01:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> company owner told him to keep a fishing pole on the truck because he's going to need it.
[15:02:13] <janrinok> so the pair of you will be out chillin by some water most of the time...?
[15:02:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks that way. and him gettin paid to do it.
[15:03:22] <janrinok> If I hadn't got responsibilities here, I would be out to join you..#
[15:04:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> me, i got savings enough to bum around for a year. not rich but my desired lifestyle is extremely inexpensive.
[15:04:57] <janrinok> enjoy it - I wish you all the best with it!
[15:06:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup yup. think we'll probably just do some bug fixes after i get all squared away and call it a site update for late march early april.
[15:06:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> won't have time to really sink my teeth into anything epic this go round.
[15:07:48] <janrinok> let the code settle for a while with perhaps a few bugfixes. I think its looking good at present - and no matter what you do there will always be an AC to complain about something anyway.
[15:08:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, it's just one guy bitching this time and he's proper trolling so i'm not worried.
[15:09:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh hey...
[15:09:12] <janrinok> lol
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[15:47:03] <SirFinkus> everybody who attaches "gate" to the end of a word to denote a scandal should be summarily executed
[15:47:57] <SirFinkus> I'm thinking drawing and quartering, but it'd be difficult to get horses on such short notice
[15:48:05] <SirFinkus> because the execution needs to be immediate
[15:49:56] <SirFinkus> the only exception is "watergate"
[15:50:02] <SirFinkus> for obvious reasons
[15:50:26] <SirFinkus> but that's not really a case of attaching "gate" to the end of something
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[16:28:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> bout to bounce the server, we had a var didn't get set right in the deploy
[16:28:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> and done
[16:30:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, having issues with deflategate or something?
[16:31:14] <SirFinkus> uhng
[16:31:18] <SirFinkus> it's just so lazy
[16:31:47] <SirFinkus> I don't have a horse in that race, just the term is so annoying
[16:31:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. watergate was watergate because it was the name of a hotel. all the rest of the gates make no sense.
[16:32:33] <SirFinkus> it's probably perverted to the point that people think watergate is a scandal about water
[16:32:42] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[16:33:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, and what're they gonna call an actual scandal about water now?
[16:33:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> have to call it rivergate or lakegate or something now that they've fucked everything up
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[16:35:33] <geotti_away> watergategate
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[16:36:13] <geotti> watitis?
[16:36:33] <geotti> you got your first touche mod, Buz ;)
[16:36:47] <geotti> but it should havea n accent
[16:36:49] <geotti> Touché
[16:37:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> i refuse to use them fancy unamerican punctuations. have to get paulej72 to put it in the code.
[16:37:53] <geotti> are accents punctuation?
[16:38:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, who knows.
[16:38:09] <geotti> gotta ask my wife
[16:38:15] <geotti> but she ain't here
[16:38:43] <geotti> i always knew her linguistic diploma will come in handy one day ;)
[16:38:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're now low ascii is alls i know
[16:39:23] <geotti> you don't like alt+255?
[16:39:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> the only exceptions i make are testing functionality and the 💩 glyph
[16:39:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> glyph even
[16:40:03] <geotti> you don't lika de french?
[16:40:26] <geotti> ~define hub's gyro
[16:40:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp. cheese-eating surrender-monkeys, as groundskeeper willie would say.
[16:40:37] <exec> [wikipedia] 3Hub%27s_gyro: The requested page title is invalid. It may be empty, contain unsupported characters, or include a non-local or incorrectly linked interwiki prefix. You may be able to locate the desired page by searc...
[16:40:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> fortunately i ain't the only one with db access
[16:41:11] <geotti> u don't lika the cheez?
[16:41:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> i do, just not the stinky crap they eat. can't have nachos without cheese.
[16:41:51] <geotti> damn i just got up an hour ago and it's already dark outside :(
[16:42:10] <geotti> u sure that's cheese you put on your nachos? ;)
[16:42:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> was dark here too but the wind done come in and blew all the clouds away
[16:42:33] * geotti had some great soft sheep cheese from Vosges for breakfast
[16:42:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> more or less. it's orange-ish
[16:43:31] <geotti> oh, actually it was Pyrenean, mixed that up. regularly have soft cheese from vosges too, though
[16:43:34] <geotti> cheese++
[16:43:34] <Bender> karma - cheese: 8
[16:43:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> had pancakes and bacon for breakfast few minutes ago.
[16:43:49] <geotti> bacon...
[16:44:00] <geotti> the artificial kind?
[16:44:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's an artificial kind? mine was pig belly.
[16:44:44] <geotti> yeah, when i went to the states i saw artificial bacon on the shelves and am still laughin about it ;)
[16:44:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> honestly i'm fine with any cheese that doesn't smell like a foot or worse.
[16:45:02] <geotti> don't smell it, eat it
[16:45:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, the salad topping garbage. yeah that can die in a fire.
[16:45:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> like 80% of the taste of a food comes from the smell. it'd be a waste if you don't smell what you're eating.
[16:45:54] <geotti> the taste qualities are usually diametrically opposite from the odor qualities
[16:46:07] <geotti> in cheese
[16:46:45] <geotti> you'd be surprised ;)
[16:47:10] <geotti> but i'm not sure you can get quality soft cheese where you live. probably expensive as hell if you can
[16:47:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> my dad now, he loves him some ancient cheddar. 15+ years old and he's happy as a pig in shit.
[16:47:32] <geotti> cheddar++
[16:47:32] <Bender> karma - cheddar: 1
[16:47:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, LOTS of cows in oklahoma.
[16:47:57] <geotti> yeah, but the frenchies make better cheese ;)
[16:48:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> Than Oklahoma? Probably. Than Wisconsin? I think not.
[16:48:39] <geotti> hard cheeses = italy, soft cheeses = french
[16:49:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> Them damned carpet-bagging, snare-drumming, yankee lawyers up in Wisconsin know their cheese like nobody else.
[16:49:55] <geotti> haven't been to wisconsin, but will try to get my hands on some wisconsinian cheese, if i see some here (doubtful, though)
[16:50:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ya, that'd be like drinking California wine in the EU.
[16:50:51] <geotti> they do sell snyder's pretzel pieces and us cranberries here, though
[16:51:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> Sure it wins the awards but we're all barbarian types over here so it's gotta suck or something.
[16:51:13] <geotti> hehe
[16:51:23] <geotti> !grab TheMightyBuzzard
[16:51:23] <Bender> Added quote 373
[16:51:54] <geotti> calif wine is ok, i guess
[16:52:01] <geotti> still prefer italian
[16:52:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> Personally I like Belgian beer but some of our microbrewers over here give them a run for their money.
[16:52:38] <geotti> after a certain level of quality it doesn't make a lot of a difference to me if i'm honest
[16:52:51] <geotti> bah, belgian beer
[16:53:08] <geotti> reminds me
[16:54:14] * geotti pops open a bottle of a malty german dark beer
[16:54:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's for piss colored beers, mind you. copper colored i prefer US beers and porters to darker I prefer Irishy and English.
[16:54:57] <geotti> stouts are ok, i guess, but i really like german bock and dark beers
[16:55:05] <geotti> oh and dark wheat beers... mmhh
[16:55:14] <SirFinkus> stouts are great
[16:55:14] <sedctl> <SirFinkus> it's probably perverted to the point that people think watergate is a scandal abs are great water
[16:55:41] <SirFinkus> go home sedctl, you're drunk
[16:55:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> turned off of german beers since i started acquiring a palate for beer. not enough flavor or the wrong flavor.
[16:56:01] <SirFinkus> I got this fucking fantastic grapefruit IPA
[16:56:04] <geotti> you mean just beer flavor as opposed to added flavor ;)
[16:56:19] <geotti> real budweiser is good too
[16:56:21] <SirFinkus> it sounds gross, but holy shit it works
[16:56:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i think it's either the water or variety of hopps.
[16:56:36] <geotti> bbl
[16:56:37] <ciri> ok see yea later geotti
[16:56:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[16:56:53] <SirFinkus> http://www.beeradvocate.com
[16:56:54] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Grapefruit Sculpin IPA | Ballast Point Brewing Company | San Diego, CA | BeerAdvocate
[16:56:54] <SirFinkus> this one
[16:57:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, i made a... wtf kind of booze was that... some kinda german wine that i can't spell that had grapefruit as an added flavor once. turned out nice.
[16:58:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> i like bitter in my beers though rather than sour.
[16:58:13] <SirFinkus> brb
[16:58:13] <ciri> ok SirFinkus
[16:58:16] <SirFinkus> not that sour
[16:58:18] <SirFinkus> fuck you ciri
[17:01:09] <SirFinkus> barrel aged IPAs are good too
[17:01:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gewürztraminer (i copy and pasted that umlaut, tyvm)
[17:02:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> never really been a huge fan of IPAs. dunno why but something about them i just don't dig.
[17:02:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is odd cause i dig most proper ales.
[17:02:43] <SirFinkus> strange, especially since you say you like bitter things
[17:03:11] <SirFinkus> I like most styles of beers except for wheat ones
[17:03:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, no accounting for taste apparently
[17:03:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, wheats are a little sweet for my palate.
[17:03:39] <SirFinkus> it's a texture thing for me
[17:03:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh
[17:03:48] <SirFinkus> they feel "wheaty"
[17:04:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> different sugars and proteins i expect.
[17:04:37] <SirFinkus> yeah, something like that
[17:04:59] <SirFinkus> they also give me the shits for some reason
[17:05:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> though i do use wheat gluten in cider sometimes. adds a little something apples alone just don't have.
[17:05:19] <SirFinkus> that might be ok, I wouldn't mind a cider with that texture
[17:05:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> i lurve a good cider. prefer my homemade stuff to store bought by a long shot though.
[17:05:57] <SirFinkus> most ciders are shit
[17:06:01] <SirFinkus> way too sweet
[17:06:06] <SirFinkus> I've had some great ones though
[17:06:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, they make em like beer instead of wine.
[17:06:30] <SirFinkus> the trick is that you want the apple flavor, without all the sweetness
[17:06:51] <SirFinkus> otherwise it's just apple juice
[17:06:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> run the fermentation until they're utterly dry then add back a little extra sugar after you've killed off the yeast.
[17:07:26] <SirFinkus> for me, ideally a cider should be no sweeter than a lager or something
[17:07:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> wee bit of brown sugar as well for the flavor.
[17:07:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[17:07:46] <SirFinkus> well, a little sweeter, but just a little
[17:08:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> most importantly it should have a fuckton more alcohol than beer.
[17:08:37] <SirFinkus> well, my context there is IPAs and Stouts
[17:08:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> 15% minimum.
[17:08:45] <SirFinkus> oh wow
[17:08:49] <SirFinkus> never had something with that
[17:09:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, dunno why everyone makes ciders in the 4-8% range mostly
[17:09:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're way better at 15-20%
[17:09:31] <SirFinkus> I think they're going for the dateline audience
[17:10:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> i guess. it's not like you couldn't drink hard cider from a wine bottle and still not be snooty though.
[17:10:58] <SirFinkus> I was going for more "to catch a predator" there
[17:11:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh
[17:11:32] <SirFinkus> I'll look for one next time I'm out, but the cider selection is pretty poor
[17:11:38] <SirFinkus> which is a scandal
[17:11:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> I may whip up a batch and see if I can legally mail it after i get done moving.
[17:11:52] <SirFinkus> I live in fucking washington, I thought we were supposed to be famous for apples
[17:12:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep
[17:12:05] <SirFinkus> that'd be awesome
[17:12:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you're of a notion though it's amazingly easy to make.
[17:12:39] <SirFinkus> I might be, I'd love to do something with really sour green apples
[17:13:00] <SirFinkus> any links?
[17:13:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> takes a month or two but most of the time all you're doing is going by and sniffing it because it smells good.
[17:13:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, not anymore. lost my links in the drive crash.
[17:13:47] <SirFinkus> do you ever toss in a little cinnamon or that kind of thing?
[17:14:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup, usually cinnamon, brown sugar, a few cloves, maybe some orange and/or lemon.
[17:14:37] <SirFinkus> I may need to do some research, I lust for cider now
[17:14:47] <SirFinkus> I have an apple tree in my backyard too
[17:14:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> not as strong flavors, just a bit to add a hint most would never notice.
[17:15:17] <SirFinkus> yeah, that's what I was thinking, people overdo cinnamon a lot with apple stuff
[17:15:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> when you get where you're ready to make some let me know and i'll give you an instructions n cautions list.
[17:15:43] <SirFinkus> I'm thinking you just want a hint of it after you swallow
[17:15:48] <SirFinkus> startup cost?
[17:15:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... lemme see
[17:16:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> one gallon batches or five?
[17:16:37] <SirFinkus> probably one gallon, that's a lot of cider
[17:16:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> you'd think so until you start cracking bottles open cause it's good
[17:16:59] <SirFinkus> I'd be on the streets in no time with 5 galloons
[17:17:11] <SirFinkus> gallons even
[17:17:48] <SirFinkus> I'd probably start with 1 though
[17:18:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> m'kay... i'd say this wouldn't do you too wrong: http://www.northernbrewer.com
[17:18:27] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Master Vintner® Small Batch Wine Kit : Northern Brewer
[17:18:45] * SirFinkus bookmarks
[17:18:46] <SirFinkus> thanks
[17:19:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> under a hundred bucks and comes with your choice of a type of wine making concentrate included
[17:19:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> so bonus booze
[17:20:12] <SirFinkus> I'd imagine that 99% of the time the cider is sitting in sterile containers getting boozy, so I could probably have a few gallons going at once
[17:20:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> personally, i've used fresh and from-the-freezer-aisle-of-the-grocery-store-concentrate for cider. both turn out well.
[17:21:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, a week in the primary fermenting bucket then 4-8 weeks in the secondary fermenter carbouy.
[17:21:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> you basically never gotta touch it after you put it in the 2ndary
[17:22:08] <SirFinkus> it'll be neat, I'll use apples from the tree in my backyard, and water from the artisan well downtown
[17:22:14] <SirFinkus> best water I've ever tasted
[17:22:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, if you find a yeast you like, save a culture of that shat in the fridge.
[17:22:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> nice
[17:22:39] <SirFinkus> I have enough cultures in my fridge tyvm
[17:22:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> lol
[17:22:56] * SirFinkus just got a crazy idea about miso paste
[17:23:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> champagne yeast does well for ciders i've found but i've also made it with bloody bread yeast and had a good product.
[17:24:23] <SirFinkus> well, convicts use fruit cups and prison bread to make their hooch, it can't be super hard to go wrong
[17:25:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> basic recipe minus the yeast and nutrient and such is one gallon of juice, one pound of sugar. tweak as desired but err on the lighter side of flavoring.
[17:27:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> you don't technically gotta siphon it off into wine bottles either. an empty gallon water jug from the grocery store works fine.
[17:27:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you're drinking it before aging it.
[17:27:55] <SirFinkus> I'd think the most important thing would be sterility with that kind of thing
[17:28:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep. bleach the fuck out of everything then rinse the hell out of it so you don't end up with bleach killing your yeast or ruining your flavor.
[17:28:33] <SirFinkus> you want yeast cultures, not botulism ones
[17:29:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> more likely to end up with vinegar bacteria than botulism but yeah.
[17:29:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> nobody wants a tall glass of either.
[17:31:16] <SirFinkus> god, 11 years ago columbia crashed
[17:31:18] * SirFinkus feels old
[17:31:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> only 11?
[17:31:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, columbia not challenger.
[17:32:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> i remember both. i'm feeling particularly ancient.
[17:32:26] <SirFinkus> the more I read about the shuttle program, the more fucked up I realize it was
[17:32:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> worked pretty good for a while though.
[17:33:03] <SirFinkus> mostly luck
[17:33:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> lot of launches n landings for luck
[17:33:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think we just used to be better at space stuff
[17:33:56] <SirFinkus> I read a great article about the mismanagement and engineering mistakes
[17:34:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> seems like the further we go from apollo the worse we get.
[17:35:02] <SirFinkus> I'll try and find it, but the tl;dr is that they wanted it to do a million things and it ended up being a case of throwing good money after bad
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[17:35:06] <SirFinkus> and it eventually limped out
[17:35:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[17:36:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, ima grab a short nap. got stuff to do this afternoon.
[17:36:25] <SirFinkus> so 2 crashed out of 134 flights, that's pretty damn bad as far as a safety record goes
[17:36:32] <SirFinkus> ok, thanks for the cider advice
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[17:37:11] <SoyWark> Yo
[17:37:30] <SirFinkus> yo
[17:37:47] <SoyWark> Here's a funny issue I'm thinking of submitting to the slashcode issues page
[17:38:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> okey, will stick around a minute more. whatcha got?
[17:38:31] <SoyWark> Issues reported via IRC do not show an issue title or text on the Issues page, just that X submitted Issues # N via IRC lol
[17:38:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, that's crutchy's coding.
[17:39:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think
[17:39:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> strictly user-created
[17:39:23] <SoyWark> Word.
[17:40:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> i tried something like that but i didn't really do any better. would require complex syntax.
[17:40:45] <SoyWark> So it's an IRC bot coded in __ ?
[17:40:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> php
[17:41:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> mine was in perl
[17:41:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, wake up, someone wants to tell you you suck =P
[17:41:43] <SoyWark> lol
[17:41:44] <ciri> rofl
[17:42:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> he's an aussie, prolly won't be awake for another 4h or so.
[17:42:08] <SirFinkus> I have an issue to report too
[17:42:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> ah cool
[17:42:18] <SirFinkus> ciri is an insufferable cunt
[17:42:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, they won't let me ban it though
[17:42:40] <SoyWark> Hey also, what do you think about putting the proper accent grave on the E at the end of the new mod "Touche" ?
[17:42:57] * SirFinkus notes the can of worms has been opened again
[17:43:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> SoyWark, i think it's prolly not a bad idea but i refuse because i'm a low ascii purist
[17:43:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72 might fix it later though. it's mostly just one change in the db.
[17:44:17] <SirFinkus> ｗｅ ｎｅｅｄ ｆｕｌｌｗｉｄｔｈ
[17:44:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> you already have it
[17:44:45] <SoyWark> even Plan9 has full UTF support
[17:45:12] <SirFinkus> plan9 is the most advanced operating system in the world, of course it has full UTF support
[17:45:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, we would except i haven't had time to tweak the last little bit of change necessary to the db
[17:46:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> so yall have to suffer with only mostly full unicode and a hack to auto-use entities for 4byte unicode.
[17:46:05] <SoyWark> Ah does mysql need its DBs configured for that?
[17:46:13] <SirFinkus> bbl
[17:46:13] <ciri> ok see yea later SirFinkus
[17:46:21] * SirFinkus stays out of spite
[17:46:33] <SirFinkus> it's getting chattier
[17:46:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep. we're set to three byte unicode and it's working fine but four byte throws errors on converting some of the fields and i haven't had time to chase them down and fix them.
[17:48:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> that said, put any unicode you want in and it'll work. it's just that 4byte stuff will be stored as &#xNNNN;
[17:48:44] <SoyWark> Okay. Looks like an SQL one-liner in sql/mysql/upgrades ?
[17:49:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, think it took a long scripted thing.
[17:49:29] <SoyWark> hm. I'
[17:49:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> could be wrong though and that's where it'd go
[17:49:44] <SoyWark> ll wati for someone to take care of this if any french-sensitive people notice the work "Touche"
[17:49:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh
[17:50:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> i noticed it when i wrote it and i could go fix it right now, i'm just being stubborn.
[17:51:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, gonna have that nap now. bout died yesterday of not having one.
[17:51:54] <SoyWark> happy napping ::)
[17:52:20] <SoyWark> don't forget to beat off first
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[18:40:53] <janrinok> hi helpme
[18:40:54] <ciri> hello, whats up janrinok
[18:41:02] <janrinok> sod off ciri
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[19:57:53] <arti> can't they just drive through with a license plate scanner
[20:02:01] <crutchy> who's pokin at my purrfect c0d3z?
[20:04:38] <crutchy> hmm. TheMightyBuzzard i think SoyWark might've been taking a jab at TheMightyBot
[20:05:17] <crutchy> the "
[20:05:17] <crutchy> <TheMightyBuzzard> strictly user-created"
[20:05:19] <crutchy> thing
[20:05:29] <crutchy> oops
[20:06:06] <crutchy> the "X submitted Issues # N via IRC" thing
[20:06:09] <crutchy> fucking xchat
[20:07:12] <crutchy> https://github.com
[20:07:13] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Issue from TheMightyBuzzard via IRC · Issue #385 · SoylentNews/slashcode · GitHub
[20:08:10] <crutchy> exec posts issues like this: https://github.com
[20:08:11] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Changing threshold/breakthrough in poll collapses poll results · Issue #391 · SoylentNews/slashcode · GitHub
[20:08:47] <crutchy> anyways, off to get ready for workipoos
[20:08:50] <crutchy> ++coffee
[20:08:50] <Hedonismbot> Karma - coffee: 244
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[20:22:50] <BadCoderFinger> Hey guys
[20:31:56] <SirFinkus> 'lo
[20:32:24] <SirFinkus> first two characters sent over arpanet were "lo"
[20:33:28] <SirFinkus> "Kline transmitted from the university's SDS Sigma 7 Host computer to the Stanford Research Institute's SDS 940 Host computer. The message text was the word login; the l and the o letters were transmitted, but the system then crashed. "
[20:33:31] <SirFinkus> it's fitting
[20:35:46] <BadCoderFinger> Crash after two bytes? Are we sure it wasn't windows?
[20:36:59] <SirFinkus> I get it, because windows is unreliable
[20:37:20] <SirFinkus> honestly though, I can't remember the last time I had a proper windows crash that wasn't hardware related
[20:37:34] <SirFinkus> they've found new and innovative ways to fuck things up
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[20:42:46] <BadCoderFinger> It's gotten better, but I've still gotten a bluescreen on win7.
[20:43:50] <BadCoderFinger> Most likely due to the corporate bloatware provided by the lowest bidder to the IT guys.
[20:43:59] <SirFinkus> crashes are pretty far down on my list of windows gripes
[20:44:46] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, my list is rather large as well!
[20:45:07] <Teckla> I've found Win7 and Win8 to be pretty stable
[20:45:14] <SirFinkus> probably the biggest problems I've had are with the updates
[20:45:20] <Teckla> Same with OS X, same with Linux, same with BSD
[20:46:13] <SirFinkus> OSX is somewhat unstable for me, but not enough for it to be a problem, Linux doesn't usually crash, but I've had issues with it that required a reboot to fix
[20:46:30] <SirFinkus> of course I'm assuming we're talking about desktop use
[20:49:14] <SirFinkus> actually, I think the biggest problem with windows is it's opacity
[20:49:50] <SirFinkus> the os is loath to give detailed error messages
[20:50:11] <SirFinkus> or obfuscates them
[20:53:45] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, a lot of software just barfs an exception with a hex code.
[20:54:29] <SirFinkus> then you google the hex code, find a MSDN article with a link to a tool that promises to fix it
[20:54:49] <SirFinkus> of course the link is broken, so you google the tool name and find another MSDN page
[20:56:02] <SirFinkus> then you download the Criticial Update Notification Tool (or whatever it's called) is downloaded (it's only a few 348KB!) and proceeds to pull down 503MB of dependencies
[20:56:36] <SirFinkus> it takes 45 minutes to run, and either says it couldn't fix the problem, or that it fixed the problem (but it didn't)
[20:56:50] <SirFinkus> and then you give up and reinstall windows
[21:11:21] <BadCoderFinger> Heh, solution #1: Reinstall windows.
[21:16:24] <crutchy> does anyone else call a format+reinstall windows a 'first birthday' or is it just some weird aussie thing?
[21:16:55] <BadCoderFinger> No, but from now on I will.
[21:18:15] <crutchy> bugger. i gotta go to workipoos. haven't had a coffee yet ~grumble grumbble~
[21:19:15] <BadCoderFinger> crutchy: Best of luck, and much caffeine!
[21:24:14] <SirFinkus> I'm always tricked into trying their "tool" first BadCoderFinger
[21:24:21] <SirFinkus> because reinstalling windows is such a massive pita
[21:24:42] <SirFinkus> because it takes 4 hours and 10 reboots to install all the updates and service packs
[21:26:15] <BadCoderFinger> SirFinkus: Heh, I understand the attempt to keep from reinstalling if you can possibly get away with it.
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[23:23:02] <LancePodstrong> i made a webcam time lapse video maker web server thingy today
[23:23:06] <LancePodstrong> from this old netbook
[23:23:17] <LancePodstrong> i need a better webcam cuz the integrated one is garbage, but otherwise it's a cool concept
[23:23:24] <LancePodstrong> i've got it looking outside right now
[23:23:45] <LancePodstrong> takes an image every minute
[23:23:55] <LancePodstrong> and once every hour it compiles a video with all the latest images with ffmpeg
[23:39:06] <Subsentient> Just patched some problems with NEXUS and recompiled. Seems to work better. Working on a scrollback mechanism.
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