#Soylent | Logs for 2015-01-26

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[00:19:58] <crutchy> chromas, welcome to my world. exec only works half the time :d
[00:21:03] <crutchy> juggs, join us on the lazy and forgetful side. it is your destiny :)
[00:21:54] <crutchy> eventually you'll be old enough to have hot little nurses dressing you and cleaning up after you crap yourself
[00:22:15] <crutchy> oh my where did that come from?
[00:23:01] <juggs> Join you there? Get off my lawn! I've been here.... umm.... well it seems a long while anyway
[00:24:40] <paulej72> do we have any showstoppers left for deploy tonight
[00:27:01] <juggs> I wasn't sure Spam mod was working exactly correctly (or as I'd expect), but I burnt all my dev mod points before I could confirm it.
[00:33:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Team that did not Find the Higgs Boson - http://sylnt.us - picking-up-the-pieces
[00:35:44] <juggs> Oh wait, I have mod points again
[00:40:26] <crutchy> that asshat in tmb's comment thread on the update tfa got a taste of my mod sword :D
[00:42:17] <crutchy> ++coffee
[00:42:17] <Hedonismbot> Karma - coffee: 234
[00:46:58] <crutchy> ~suggest Would it be worth maybe adding an optional user info field for IRC nicks? If someone wants to query a member of staff it might be handy to know how to ping them in IRC. Most staff are fairly easy to recognize, but martyb/bytram things might be confusing.
[00:47:11] <exec> *** suggestion successfully added to wiki - http://sylnt.us
[00:48:38] <crutchy> doin some last minute tidy ups paulej72?
[00:48:46] <juggs> Staff are voice+ in here, plus have staff vhosts. But otherwise not a bad suggestion for the sake of one field.
[00:49:25] <crutchy> not a high priority
[00:49:45] <paulej72> tidy ups were done this moring, I just merged them to do our deploy test on the staff slash
[00:51:52] <crutchy> this suggestion is prolly a good one (similar to what chromas was talking about before): "hand out some moderation powers to trusted people around different timezones so someone is always around to deal with spam ~ Konomi @ 06:21, 26 November 2014 (UTC)"
[00:52:27] <crutchy> and also to combat spam mod abuse
[00:52:46] <juggs> The Spam Mod takes care of the Spam :D Or did you mean to patrol the use of the Spam Mod?
[00:53:01] <crutchy> yeah
[00:53:20] <arti> the solution to spam is to use more of it.
[00:53:28] <arti> works for violence.
[00:53:37] <arti> :D
[00:55:22] <crutchy> eye for a tooth, nose for a chin
[00:55:34] <juggs> I predict a flurry of Spam mods once the update goes live
[00:55:51] <crutchy> juggs, i agree
[00:56:46] <crutchy> might not get many people commenting as themselves, but hopefully it will settle down per http://soylentnews.org
[00:56:47] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN comment by The Mighty Buzzard (18)
[00:58:43] <crutchy> a huge unjustified karma hit on one comment could also leave genuine users a bit down and out (i was trying to think of a better word)
[00:59:10] <crutchy> need to make sure people know where to turn to get a wrongful spam mod fixed
[00:59:45] <crutchy> maybe the irc thing needs to be promoted a bit more
[01:00:07] <crutchy> irc would prolly be more responsive than email etc
[01:00:26] <juggs> Could do a whole Game style Appeals system around it. But oh.... yeh... staffing it might be a problem :)
[01:02:11] <crutchy> could do a ~unspam script for anyone identified with nickserv to come in and undo a spam mod. its not like a spambot is gunna do that
[01:02:15] <juggs> It really does entirely depend on how dickish people are with it. If it gets abused, we can roll it back out. Whole point of The Experiment :D
[01:03:10] <crutchy> well, even if a spambot did do that it would be pretty easy to restrict usage
[01:03:16] <juggs> So I come to irc, reg my nick, spam some shit, get modded down as spam, reverse the mod using ~unspam, rinse, repeat?
[01:03:41] <crutchy> possibly, but how many actual humans do that?
[01:03:54] <crutchy> i would have thought most spam problems were from automata
[01:04:08] <crutchy> you might get the odd one i guess
[01:04:44] <crutchy> if that happened, others in here would prolly see it
[01:05:14] <crutchy> alternatively you could limit to a set of irc users
[01:05:26] <juggs> Would kinda need the API going live and a function built in the API to do the Unspam which is a privileged operation within the site. We're holding back on the read only API as it is. This bot idea may be a little way off in the future :D
[01:06:04] <crutchy> can a registered user be elevated to be able to unspam?
[01:06:15] <crutchy> cos exec has ability to login to SN
[01:06:27] <crutchy> (the normal way)
[01:07:02] <crutchy> but yeah its just another idea. it could be abused too
[01:07:05] <juggs> I am merely Editor priv level, I have no idea how granular the privilege schema is. (Have a feeling it's a 0 - 99 scale or some such)
[01:07:18] <crutchy> and also exec is notoriously unreliable :d
[01:07:55] <crutchy> ~api uid exec
[01:07:57] <juggs> And frequently AWOL! (Get a VPS you cheaposkato). :D
[01:07:59] <exec> error: unable to retrive SN uid for user "exec"
[01:08:13] <crutchy> i think exec might be in the 4000's or summin
[01:09:01] <crutchy> heh. i don't even pay for dns
[01:09:12] <crutchy> my missus spends all my money
[01:09:19] <juggs> tsk
[01:10:18] <juggs> $5 a month for a little digital ocean droplet running Debian Stable and you're good to go for bot stuff. There's even cheaper out there too that would suffice.
[01:10:39] <crutchy> i managed to nab a subdomain that's shorter than sylnt.us for free
[01:10:58] <crutchy> by 1 character :p
[01:12:09] <crutchy> if exec ever does anything that important i'll leave it for someone else to run it on a vps. its just a toy for me :p
[01:14:24] <crutchy> i prolly should write a sort of quickstart guide for that odd occasion where someone might want to have a go. its pretty easy to use though
[01:15:06] <crutchy> clone repo, open terminal to local repo directory, and run 'php irc.php'
[01:15:39] <crutchy> though there are some settings that prolly warrant changing
[01:15:46] <crutchy> like nick
[01:20:59] <juggs> Here ya go... http://5jelly.com
[01:21:00] <Hedonismbot> ^ 035 Jelly Vps , Free Vps No CC , CPU 2.4 Ghz , Free 1024 MB Ram , Free 1 GB Ram , Free Disk space 20 GB , Free Bandwidth 1000 GB
[01:22:14] <juggs> or... http://guhat.com
[01:22:15] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03GuHat - Free OpenVZ VPS Hosting Plus Control Panel , Free Life Time No Hidden Fees , No Credit Card Verifiy , Free VPS 512MB RAM , 15GB Disk Space , 200GB Monthly Traffic - GuHat VPS
[01:22:52] <juggs> No idea what their angle is offering free plans... probably loss leader
[01:26:18] <crutchy> seems like a spambot magnet
[01:26:30] <crutchy> i could give it a shot though i guess
[01:29:00] <juggs> Use a sharklasers email addy to sign up :D
[01:31:36] <crutchy> ~time juggs
[01:31:38] <exec> Monday, 26 January 2015 @ 1:31 am GMT - London, UK
[01:32:08] <chromas> crutchy: did you get very far running exec on android?
[01:32:16] * crutchy wonders why they scheduled a site update in a couple of hours. usually stuff happens when i'm asleep
[01:32:47] <crutchy> nah haven't really touched it tbh. i got php installed, but i haven't really messed with it much
[01:32:57] <paulej72> update has been delayed. Late breaking bug caused a hold.
[01:33:07] <paulej72> Now I can be like SpaceX
[01:33:12] <crutchy> hehe
[01:33:37] <crutchy> need a go/no go like on Apollo 13 movie
[01:33:51] <crutchy> with the climatic score in the background
[01:33:59] <crutchy> climatic?
[01:34:07] <paulej72> Spam mods are not shoing UnSpam options for admins unless there are more than two Spam downmods
[01:34:07] <juggs> pj just called the no go I do believe.
[01:34:24] <crutchy> !drain-fuel
[01:34:40] <paulej72> at lease a 48 hr hold
[01:34:55] <juggs> Better than exploding 30ft off the launch pad :D
[01:34:58] <paulej72> as I will not be availabe tomorow evening to fix.
[01:35:04] <chromas> climactic
[01:35:28] <chromas> http://www.eyebleach.me
[01:35:29] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Eyebleach.me Eye Bleach, soothe your mind. Cats
[01:36:07] <juggs> Some dick sailed a boat down range or something :D
[01:38:41] <crutchy> !grab juggs
[01:38:41] <Bender> Added quote 360
[01:38:59] <juggs> seriously? That's quotebase pollution!
[01:39:14] <crutchy> just wait till its brought up out of context :d
[01:39:20] <Konomi> anything you say can and will be held against you
[01:39:26] <Konomi> unless you follow it up with a new line an emote
[01:39:27] <Konomi> ;p
[01:39:41] * juggs calls down the napalm strike monkeys
[01:39:43] <juggs> MUAHAHAHAHA
[01:39:53] <Konomi> sure sure ;p
[01:40:40] <juggs> damn... they're off playing with their nuts again ~sigh~ They use the napalm to roast them.
[01:40:55] <crutchy> !grab juggs
[01:40:55] <Bender> Added quote 361
[01:41:03] <juggs> :D too easy
[01:41:20] <crutchy> ~isup github.com
[01:41:22] <exec> github.com: HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
[01:41:32] <crutchy> ~isup github.com:443
[01:41:34] <exec> github.com:443: HTTP/1.1 200 OK
[01:41:50] <crutchy> stupid bot throwing the odd github connection error
[01:42:58] <crutchy> hmm
[01:43:06] <crutchy> ~isup ~say
[01:43:08] <exec> ~say: error connecting
[01:43:25] <crutchy> that's a bit of a trap
[01:44:19] <crutchy> ~isup ~rehash
[01:44:20] <exec> ~rehash: error connecting
[01:45:28] <crutchy> ~isup blah
[01:45:28] <exec> blah: error connecting
[01:45:35] <crutchy> that's prolly a bit safer
[01:46:32] <crutchy> ~isup blah
[01:46:32] <exec> 03blah: error connecting
[01:46:50] <chromas> nah 'cause it's got a colon
[01:46:56] <chromas> ~say: ding
[01:47:03] <crutchy> ah
[01:47:22] <crutchy> thank gawd for colons
[01:47:37] <crutchy> shit dude you know how my bot works better than i do
[01:48:02] <crutchy> ~isup api.github.com:443
[01:48:07] <exec> 03api.github.com:443: HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden
[01:48:12] <crutchy> :/
[01:50:48] <crutchy> ~isup api.github.com:443
[01:50:50] <exec> 03api.github.com:443: HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden
[01:51:11] <crutchy> https://api.github.com
[01:51:42] <crutchy> oh lol no title
[01:56:22] <juggs> You might want to give those two VPS sites I linked up a miss crutchy. 1. The name listed in the footer is some Egyptian politician's name 2. They are in fact two domains of the same operator 3. They are so competent their control panel currently states "All times are GMT. The time now is January 26, 2015, 5:53 am." Yah - only 4 hours out there.
[01:56:30] <juggs> Not exactly confidence inspiring
[01:56:45] <crutchy> ah
[01:56:53] <chromas> maybe if you want to run some torrents
[01:57:35] <crutchy> i just added the addresses to a file in my git directory. was a bit iffy about making a ssh tunnel to a 'free' site
[01:58:31] <crutchy> i dunno if its even possible to reverse hack a ssh tunnel, but i wouldn't be surprised
[01:58:35] <juggs> Run TAILS, use sharklaser.com addy to sign up, only access via TOR, use a one time ssh pubkey, only use for anything with absolutely no confidential detail. I guess then it might be worth a punt.
[01:59:33] <juggs> May well just be amateur hour on the other hand :D
[02:00:46] <juggs> sharklasers.com - my typo bad
[02:02:05] <juggs> No article in their Knowledgebase
[02:03:32] <chromas> Egyptian putting up something free? Must be huntin' fer their mortal enemy
[02:04:24] <crutchy> hmm. seems like it might be possible. http://www.thegeekstuff.com
[02:04:25] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03How to Setup Reverse SSH Tunnel on Linux
[02:04:42] <juggs> No Contact details, no corp details.
[02:05:22] <juggs> crutchy, yes reverse shell is indeed possible with ssh. But not just by ssh'ing into a remote machine.
[02:06:13] <crutchy> what about with a compromised ssh server?
[02:06:14] <paulej72> I am doing the bed thing now. I feel like I was run over by a truck
[02:06:28] <crutchy> sorry to hear that paulej72
[02:06:30] <arti> you and the SO have quality time again?
[02:06:40] <crutchy> lmao
[02:06:40] <juggs> OK paulej72. Hope you feel better man
[02:07:02] <arti> operation BOOM BOOM
[02:07:04] <crutchy> inspired by e-f
[02:08:22] <crutchy> hang on a minute. pj is prolly married which means he's in the same boat as me. one way to Celebacy Island
[02:08:45] <arti> oddly enough i've heard this recently from two of my enslaved friends
[02:09:46] <juggs> crutchy, nope. As the link you posted to should make clear, you'd have to be manipulated to using quite specific ssh command line options to present a reverse shell back to your own machine. Not outside the realms of possibility with some well crafted FAQs or what have you.
[02:10:18] <arti> just tell them to run a script from somewhere you link, that'll do the trick
[02:10:21] <crutchy> i saw some unfamilar command line switches in there
[02:10:47] <juggs> man ssh and become familiar :D
[02:10:59] <crutchy> i don't use it much. only on lans
[02:11:10] <crutchy> walking is hard work
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[02:11:51] <crutchy> its handy at work. i use winbash to manage vbox servers there
[02:11:57] <crutchy> winbash++
[02:11:57] <Bender> karma - winbash: 2
[02:12:06] <juggs> I'm not familiar with those options either, never had a use for them. But I now enough to not blindly copy/pasta commands without reading up on what all the options do :D
[02:12:24] <crutchy> nod
[02:12:55] <juggs> not come across winbash before. Wouldn't PuTTY suffice?
[02:14:06] <crutchy> not used putty before. the bash terminal on my windows 7 workstation pretty much acts like a terminal in linux (with git, ssh, etc)
[02:15:31] <juggs> sounds more feature complete. putty is just a telnet / ssh type client
[02:16:21] <crutchy> i think the one i use may have come with git
[02:16:27] <crutchy> can't remember where i got it
[02:16:55] <crutchy> ah. its called git bash, not winbash
[02:17:06] <crutchy> http://openhatch.org
[02:17:06] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03OpenHatch - Missions: Finding the command line on Windows: Install Git Bash
[02:18:33] <juggs> Oh, I just found a GPL win-bash on sourceforge
[02:18:58] <crutchy> i'm actually wondering if git bash is part of the official windows git installer
[02:19:57] <juggs> GPL3
[02:21:14] <juggs> looks like it might be distributed with the windows git
[02:21:24] <juggs> ~shrug~
[02:22:04] <crutchy> i just double-click the git icon and work like i would in linux. i don't much think about the rest :d
[02:22:32] <arti> tried powershell?
[02:22:43] <arti> not scripting but as an improved cmd?
[02:22:44] <juggs> No doubt you have a shed load of other stuff that requires windows
[02:22:45] <crutchy> nah. don't have much need for it
[02:22:50] <arti> it supports ls.
[02:23:24] <crutchy> unfortunately the company i work for is loccked up in the autodesk prison
[02:24:26] <juggs> Aren't the latest MS server releases pretty much CLI driven these days with the GUI tools tacking into the CLI - much as a lot of GTK and QT type tools do in linux-land? That's the impression I got from reading at least,
[02:24:53] <chromas> I tried powershell once; it was pretty slow. Just opening it took at least 10 seconds
[02:25:25] <crutchy> i don't 'manage' anything windowsish. most of the other guys i work with know enough windows that i just keep my head down whenever someone has a problem :d
[02:25:42] <juggs> Best way. I KNOW NOTHING!!
[02:26:22] <crutchy> there's only one other linux guy, but we don't have much trouble with the servers
[02:27:03] <crutchy> touch wood
[02:27:28] <arti> heh
[02:28:09] <chromas> Bender: grab crutchy
[02:28:09] <Bender> Added quote 362
[02:34:36] <juggs> chromas, martyb mentioned you'd got Hedonism following redirects to the eventual source actual underlying source url
[02:34:50] <arti> :| ?
[02:35:16] <arti> recursionception
[02:35:23] <chromas> it follows 30x redirects
[02:37:22] <chromas> were you gonna add that to Bender for rss links?
[02:38:05] <juggs> Yah, that's the context martyb brought it up in
[02:38:48] <juggs> https://soylentnews.org
[02:38:49] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN comment by martyb (76)
[02:39:42] <chromas> Bender: list
[02:39:42] <Bender> available plugins: admin, cfg, chan, chatlog, core, fleet, grabquote, ignore, irc, karma, koffie, lod, markov, more, plug, relay, soylentrss, sylnt, todo, twitter, uidchecker, urlinfo, user
[02:40:09] <chromas> hm, I thought it had something for grabbing pages
[02:40:49] -!- Tachyon [Tachyon!Tachyon@hollhb.kolej.mff.cuni.cz] has joined #Soylent
[02:41:02] <Tachyon> hello guys
[02:41:17] <juggs> hi Tachyon
[02:41:19] <Tachyon> I just submited a story about me starting a new political party
[02:41:39] <juggs> I hope you included a manifesto :D
[02:41:46] <Tachyon> If you are interested in it or want to talk to me, please do
[02:41:56] <chromas> basically you'd just need to hit the link with curl or something (or a python function why not) and grab the "location" value from the header if it's a 30x
[02:42:07] <Tachyon> juggs: i included your motto and basic idea
[02:42:17] <Tachyon> our motto is "We could be wrong"
[02:43:06] <juggs> I have a motto and basic idea now? Why didn't some one tell me?
[02:43:16] <juggs> someone even
[02:46:50] <juggs> I'll have to have a read if I'm somehow implicated in this
[02:49:08] <juggs> chromas, first I need to get to grips with python :D
[02:49:16] <juggs> no grab
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[02:50:27] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v Bytram|away] by juggler
[02:50:45] <juggs> Tachyon, I see no submission from you... got a link?
[02:51:07] <juggs> oop... now I do. Cache
[02:51:57] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[02:53:01] <Bytram> Hi All!
[02:53:13] <Bytram> I see in the side bar that tonight's upgrade has been delayed?
[02:53:16] <juggs> Tachyon, I suggest you study the Bible and other Christian texts in the same way you approached Islam. You'd likely come to the same conclusion.
[02:53:37] <Bytram> SHould I update the update story? http://soylentnews.org
[02:53:38] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN article: SoylentNews Site Update 15.01 04(69 comments)
[02:54:28] <juggs> Bytram, yup pj no-go'd it on the spam mod quirks.
[02:54:46] <Bytram> ok
[02:54:50] <Tachyon> juggs: nope
[02:54:59] <juggs> Old Testament?
[02:55:15] <Bytram> If you want, I can update the story... or would you like to do it and maintain editorial inteegrity and style?
[02:55:17] <Tachyon> juggs: i'm actually very well educated on bible - it was my religion until i was 17.
[02:55:23] <Tachyon> I know bible very very well
[02:55:27] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[02:55:28] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Cows chasing a RC car around a field - YouTube
[02:55:36] <Tachyon> juggs: quran and bible are totally different things
[02:56:00] <Tachyon> juggs: I wrote an article about it: http://humaniste.cz
[02:56:01] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Problematika islámu v ČR
[02:56:12] <Tachyon> I'm probably going to translate it to english when I have time
[02:56:41] <Tachyon> I have to first ban Islam in Czech Republic, then I can try to help to save your country as well :)
[02:56:47] <Tachyon> juggs: where are you from?
[02:56:50] <juggs> And you also have been brought up with an ~interpretation~ of Christianity. You have approached Islam literally. There is as much diversity with the Muslim world as there is within Christianity when it comes to interpretation/.
[02:57:00] <Tachyon> juggs: >:o
[02:57:04] <juggs> :D
[02:57:08] <Tachyon> juggs: i said i studied the shit
[02:57:24] <Bytram> curious: in the original languages?
[02:57:24] <Tachyon> i know about islam, various branches and their ideologies very very much
[02:57:37] <Tachyon> i actually know about them more than about various sects in christianity
[02:58:03] <Konomi> what kind of fecal matter did you study?
[02:58:08] <juggs> And your take away is "ban Islam"?
[02:58:17] <Tachyon> Konomi: i'm not going to react to insults
[02:58:24] <Tachyon> juggs: yes
[02:58:32] <Konomi> humor lost
[02:58:41] <Tachyon> juggs: if somebody will convince me islam is a peaceful religion i won't ban it
[02:58:43] <Tachyon> ...
[02:58:52] <arti> kudos on the iniative man
[02:59:04] <Tachyon> arti: i will suceed
[02:59:09] <Tachyon> i'm certain about it
[02:59:18] <Tachyon> it will be on news all around the world ...
[02:59:25] <Tachyon> succeed
[02:59:28] <crutchy> ooh what's the name of your party Tachyon?
[02:59:32] <Bytram> juggs: In the Site Update story, right after it says "It's a bumper crop", I've added this paragraph: "<p>UPDATE: Due to the last minute discovery of a bug in the new moderation code, it has been decided to hold off on the upgrade for a couple days. We will keep you posted.]"
[02:59:35] <arti> Women's rights?
[02:59:43] <Tachyon> crutchy: Humanists - The Party of Dialogue
[02:59:48] <crutchy> in australia we have a Sex Party
[02:59:51] <juggs> Thanks Bytram
[02:59:52] <Tachyon> arti: ^^
[03:00:07] <Tachyon> crutchy: I will be starting an international platform soon
[03:00:11] <Bytram> juggs: The other change was to strike one sentence, as follows: "<strike>All being well these changes should go live around 03:00 26th January UTC. So no need for alarm if there's some minor site disruption at that point.</strike>"
[03:00:18] <Tachyon> crutchy: the web will be humanists.eu
[03:00:30] <juggs> Bytram, thanks again
[03:00:31] <Tachyon> i don't have the resources yet for such thing
[03:00:53] <Bytram> juggs: Do you want to make any changes before I put it out? Squeak now or forever hold your grease!
[03:01:17] <juggs> "The Party of Dialogue" - Item #1: "Ban Islam" Doesn't sound like a dialogue :D
[03:01:32] * Bytram hits preview
[03:01:40] <juggs> Bytram, squeeze my grease man!
[03:01:47] * Bytram will bold the UPDATE text
[03:01:47] <chromas> Bender: grab juggs
[03:01:47] <Bender> Added quote 363
[03:01:48] <juggs> jfkdl
[03:01:52] <Konomi> I'm going to start a party that the first goal is to ban fedoras
[03:01:56] <juggs> LOL
[03:01:57] <ciri> HEY! don't laugh at me
[03:02:02] <crutchy> Tachyon, problem is regardless of your ideology you'll still have to join either the democraps or republicunts to get anywhere. the tea party is only successful because it infiltrated the republicans
[03:02:07] <arti> fedoras and anime go hand in hand
[03:02:13] <chromas> distrocist
[03:02:42] <Konomi> and get better grammar
[03:02:51] <Konomi> it also be marxist
[03:02:53] <arti> we'll lose yoda speak
[03:02:58] <Konomi> it will also be* x.x
[03:03:10] <arti> that's so awesome
[03:03:11] <Bytram> huh. <strike> </strike> don't work... trying plan B
[03:03:14] <Tachyon> crutchy: you can form fraction within a party?
[03:03:23] <crutchy> yeah i guess so
[03:03:32] <crutchy> its worked for the tea party
[03:03:32] <arti> konomi has been visited from the grammar faery
[03:03:33] <Tachyon> crutchy: then that would be the way to go
[03:03:37] <Bytram> =)
[03:03:37] <chromas> Bytram: it will probably work after the update :D
[03:04:04] * Bytram clicks update ... Ragu! It's in there!
[03:04:06] <Bytram> nograb
[03:04:08] <Tachyon> crutchy: if some ideology is invincible to rational argument i think it will win eventually
[03:04:15] <Bytram> http://soylentnews.org
[03:04:15] <Hedonismbot> * 03SN article: SoylentNews Site Update 15.01 04(69 comments)
[03:04:48] <Tachyon> crutchy: the problem is, that dialogue about banning islam in France probably will start a civil war there
[03:05:02] <Tachyon> but there is no easy solution to the problem
[03:05:21] <chromas> beer and bacon
[03:05:40] <Tachyon> both prohibited in islam :D
[03:05:47] <chromas> there's your solution
[03:05:50] <arti> there are always exceptions
[03:05:54] <Tachyon> throw a beer and bacon on them and they will jihad against you :D
[03:06:05] <Tachyon> because they are pissed that they can't have that :D
[03:06:06] <crutchy> it took ron paul over 30 years to give the tea party a solid footing with the republicans, so its no easy road
[03:06:09] <chromas> wear bacon suspenders
[03:06:25] <arti> draw pictures of the prophet!
[03:06:40] <Tachyon> arti: they will terror attack you and cause riots
[03:06:57] <arti> but that's only the fringe!
[03:07:00] <Tachyon> arti: i'm certain this will happen in france in near future
[03:07:09] <arti> it's a problem of their own making
[03:07:22] <Tachyon> everybody is doing the same mistake
[03:08:00] <crutchy> i should start a Chauvinist Party here in Australia. i'd prolly do pretty well assuming more than half the voting public is male :p
[03:10:03] <Konomi> will you be nominating one nation for your preferences?
[03:10:34] <crutchy> hmm. maybe i need to prefix it with 'Male"
[03:10:45] <crutchy> http://en.wikipedia.org
[03:10:46] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Wiki: Chauvinism
[03:11:22] <Konomi> crutchy the maninist
[03:11:24] <Bytram> http://www.forbes.com
[03:11:24] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Expedia Has Acquired Travelocity For $280 Million In Cash - Forbes
[03:11:30] <Konomi> mascinist maybe
[03:12:22] <crutchy> only party i would vote for is maybe libertarian, but the libertarian party here is prolly just trying to piggyback off ron paul supporters
[03:12:29] <Popeidol> crutchy the machinist
[03:12:39] <crutchy> i haven't seen any clear policy direction yet
[03:12:41] <arti> all hail the machinst
[03:12:49] * arti adds an i
[03:12:53] <Popeidol> masochist?
[03:12:55] <Popeidol> I could see that
[03:12:58] <arti> he does do php
[03:12:59] * crutchy does like machinees
[03:13:04] <crutchy> s/ee/e/
[03:13:04] <SedNotABot> <crutchy> does like machines
[03:13:17] <crutchy> i wish i was a machinist
[03:13:40] <chromas> crutchy the architect >:D
[03:14:01] <Popeidol> stop promoting him so fast
[03:14:13] <Popeidol> he needs time to learn the job first
[03:14:22] <chromas> juggs: Bender has some url info commands. You could probably use utils/url.py
[03:16:58] <crutchy> architects-- # job description: piss off the engineers
[03:16:58] <Bender> karma - architects: -3
[03:17:08] <juggs> sorry - got sidetracked on site stuff, missed that entire debate.
[03:17:24] <crutchy> there was a debate?!
[03:17:31] <juggs> Thanks chromas
[03:17:57] <chromas> it may even give link titles but I can't activate it 'cause I'm not speshul
[03:18:03] <chromas> !list urlinfo
[03:18:03] <Bender> urlinfo plugin has the following commands: urlinfo-enable, urlinfo-disable, urlinfo-list
[03:18:23] <crutchy> !activate chromas-powahs
[03:18:42] <crutchy> !stafferize chromas
[03:19:01] <chromas> no! no! heyulp! get it away!
[03:19:31] <crutchy> search your feelings... you know it to be true
[03:19:49] <juggs> one of us. one of us. one of us. Chromas: Special Envoy IRC
[03:19:56] <juggs> one of us. one of us.
[03:19:58] <juggs> :D
[03:20:36] <crutchy> juggs, change his cloak to chromas@soylent/staff/irc/god
[03:20:46] * chromas hides behind a box
[03:20:53] * chromas gets into the box and sneaks off
[03:21:09] * juggs burns the box with a look of fire
[03:21:39] <crutchy> do staff get free cookies?
[03:22:21] <crutchy> session-flavored cookies :d
[03:22:45] <chromas> plus the ability to .kick Ethanol-fueled
[03:23:05] <crutchy> aw. poor e-f
[03:23:12] <juggs> I think he enjoys it
[03:23:27] <crutchy> .kick crutchy
[03:23:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> .kick crutchy Your wish is my command.
[03:23:28] -!- crutchy was kicked from #Soylent by juggler!SN@services. [(TheMightyBuzzard) Your wish is my command.]
[03:23:35] -!- crutchy [crutchy!~crutchy@709-27-2-01.cust.aussiebb.net] has joined #Soylent
[03:23:41] <Tachyon> .op Tachyon
[03:23:45] <crutchy> oh my i didn't think that would work :p
[03:23:47] <Tachyon> juggs: ?
[03:24:02] <Tachyon> aah
[03:24:04] <Tachyon> TheMightyBuzzard: ?
[03:24:20] <juggs> Tachyon, it is self kick only
[03:24:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> wut? oh, i wrote a script so people could kick themselves.
[03:24:31] <Tachyon> ah
[03:24:32] <Tachyon> :D
[03:24:39] <Tachyon> i thought is was a joke :D
[03:24:52] <crutchy> it is kinda funny
[03:24:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> was, on ethanol-fueled
[03:25:11] <crutchy> has he stumbled on it yet?
[03:25:22] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: if you do it as a pm to chanserv than nobody knows it's your script :)
[03:25:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd hafta op for that
[03:25:45] <chromas> nah
[03:25:51] <Popeidol> chanserv knows you're an op regardless of current channel status
[03:25:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggler ain't chanserv
[03:26:01] <crutchy> /msg juggler
[03:26:53] <Tachyon> hmm great
[03:26:54] <Tachyon> http://soylentnews.org
[03:26:54] <Hedonismbot> ^ 0304SN Submission by romanr: I'm starting a new political party in Czech Republic - Party of Dialogue
[03:26:58] <Tachyon> the article has been rejected
[03:27:07] <Tachyon> probably not interesting enough for SN
[03:27:08] <crutchy> by who?
[03:27:16] <Tachyon> i don't know
[03:27:18] <Tachyon> ...
[03:27:19] <crutchy> blasphemy!
[03:27:49] <crutchy> maybe call it the Apple Google Microsoft Linux Party and resubmit
[03:27:53] <Tachyon> ... probably a guys who are reading soylentnews are starting a political party every other day
[03:27:56] <chromas> "Your post has been rejected. Aim your pitchfork at…"
[03:28:28] <Tachyon> i'm actually quite surprised
[03:28:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't look at me, i just poke the code till it does what i tell it.
[03:28:40] <Tachyon> a geek is starting political party
[03:28:47] <Tachyon> and the geek world doesn't give a shit
[03:28:48] <Tachyon> ...
[03:28:59] <Tachyon> anyways
[03:29:20] <Tachyon> when I'll ban islam, it will probably go to the news somewhere
[03:29:37] <Popeidol> Tachyon: go for something more controversial first
[03:29:39] <Popeidol> ban cheese
[03:29:47] <crutchy> maybe put in the subject "Lennart Poettering starts a Political Party called SystemD Users nonymous Party
[03:29:48] <chromas> or bring up systemd
[03:29:57] <Tachyon> :DDD
[03:30:02] <Tachyon> good point
[03:30:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> good luck with that. religion of peace my ass. religion of bloody little pieces maybe.
[03:30:19] <Tachyon> I'm starting a new political party in Czech Republic - Party of Dialogue. Its founder likes systemd.
[03:30:26] <Tachyon> crutchy: chromas: ^^^ like that?
[03:30:47] <Tachyon> TheMightyBuzzard: thanks but i don't think i will need much luck
[03:30:50] <chromas> No no, you want to be against systemd
[03:31:04] <Tachyon> TheMightyBuzzard: i'm actually convinced i will decisively win the next elections
[03:31:13] <crutchy> "Czech Republic Declares War on Systemd"
[03:31:17] <Tachyon> :D
[03:31:18] <crutchy> that'll get through
[03:31:19] <Tachyon> no way :D
[03:31:31] <Tachyon> i will enforce systemd by law :D
[03:31:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> Tachyon, nice. Grats in advance if ya do.
[03:31:33] <Konomi> religion is stupid
[03:31:40] <Konomi> unfortuantly banning stupidity is hard
[03:31:46] <Tachyon> TheMightyBuzzard: thanks for your support :)
[03:31:50] <Tachyon> Konomi: it can be done
[03:31:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> religion's fine as long as you keep it outa other people's business.
[03:31:58] <Konomi> if you say so
[03:32:00] <crutchy> good thing about being a politician... you can make any promise you like and then just ignore it when you get elected
[03:32:05] <Tachyon> Konomi: in our country, for example neonazism is banned
[03:32:16] <Tachyon> Konomi: in germany there is banned even scientology
[03:32:29] <Tachyon> crutchy: that is not my case
[03:32:30] <Tachyon> ...
[03:32:31] <Popeidol> are neonazis banned here?
[03:32:34] <Popeidol> I've never actually checked
[03:32:43] <Tachyon> Popeidol: in germany yes
[03:32:49] <Tachyon> Popeidol: in USA probably not
[03:33:05] <crutchy> Popeidol, neonazis are prolly only allowed here if they drink XXXX
[03:33:10] <Tachyon> USA will have the hardest time with banning the islam thing
[03:33:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can call yourself and believe anything you like in the USA.
[03:33:34] <Popeidol> crutchy: today is a day everybody drinks fourecks
[03:33:35] <Tachyon> they will have to change their constitution in the article about freedom of speech
[03:33:46] <Tachyon> TheMightyBuzzard: yes and that is a problem
[03:33:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> you just can't cut fuckers heads off religion or not
[03:34:02] <Tachyon> TheMightyBuzzard: hateful violent ideologies have to be banned in a free society
[03:34:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> at that point the law says fuck your religion.
[03:34:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, they have to be protected in a free society.
[03:34:31] <Tachyon> then the society isn't free
[03:34:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> or yours will get called hateful and violent and be banned.
[03:34:48] <crutchy> islam is peaceful. its just a faction that is fucked up. same as catholocism, christianity, etc
[03:34:52] <Tachyon> TheMightyBuzzard: if you can get killed for drawing muhammad, you don't live in a free society
[03:34:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> actions are what you ban. you never ban thought or speech.
[03:34:55] <Popeidol> 'the right to swing your fist stops at another persons face'
[03:34:56] <crutchy> they all have their own fucked up departments
[03:35:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> Tachyon, ya, murder is already illegal
[03:35:25] <Tachyon> TheMightyBuzzard: if somebody is preaching KILL TheMightyBuzzard KILL TheMightyBuzzard, you are ok with that?
[03:35:36] <Tachyon> TheMightyBuzzard: if the man has for example large audience?
[03:35:41] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, s/$/ unless you're with the government/
[03:35:41] <SedNotABot> <crutchy> <TheMightyBuzzard> Tachyon, ya, murder is already illegal unless you're with the government
[03:35:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Anonymous Asks Activists to Fight Pedophiles in 'Operation Deatheaters' - http://sylnt.us - nothing-funny-to-say
[03:35:56] <Tachyon> TheMightyBuzzard: one of his followers will in the future probably try to kill you
[03:35:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> Tachyon, yes. i have guns and can protect myself.
[03:36:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> yay guns.
[03:36:12] <Tachyon> and then he will be arrested
[03:36:25] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: b-but guns are bad and need to be banned because sometimes people use them wrong
[03:36:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, we don't arrest dead people
[03:36:42] <crutchy> we should ban forks. cos they can stab people
[03:36:46] <Tachyon> would you be happy if you got wounded and ended up on wheelchair knowing, that the attacker was sentenced to death?
[03:36:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, don't make me beat you upside the head
[03:36:48] <crutchy> forks--
[03:36:48] <Bender> karma - forks: -1
[03:36:59] <Tachyon> TheMightyBuzzard: :)
[03:37:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> Tachyon, yup, pretty much.
[03:37:02] <Konomi> spoons++
[03:37:02] <Bender> karma - spoons: 2
[03:37:11] <Tachyon> TheMightyBuzzard: i wouldn't
[03:37:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> he'd be dead before the cops got there though.
[03:37:16] <crutchy> we should also ban buildings, cos they can crush people when hit by planes
[03:37:17] <Tachyon> i don't like wheelchairs
[03:37:24] <Tachyon> TheMightyBuzzard: really?
[03:37:35] <Tachyon> TheMightyBuzzard: do you wear bulletproof vest if you go out?
[03:37:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> i got no prollem ending someone trying to harm me or mine.
[03:37:55] <Konomi> then TMB would pick the corpse for meat
[03:37:57] <Tachyon> because if you don't you can get shot and not know where the bullet came from
[03:38:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> om nom nom
[03:38:12] <crutchy> Tachyon, TheMightyBuzzard lives in the wild west
[03:38:17] <Konomi> that also seems like thin edge of the wedge to me
[03:38:27] <Tachyon> crutchy: :D
[03:38:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> man you can get hit by a meteor too and never know it. i'm not gonna sweat going from alive to dead without noticing.
[03:38:42] <chromas> oh shit! there could be an jihadist around any corner, waiting to pop out and get me
[03:38:45] <Tachyon> crutchy: yes, if the population density is low enough then his tactic could work
[03:38:45] <Tachyon> :D
[03:38:55] <Tachyon> anyways :D
[03:38:55] <Konomi> chromas: they're gonna personally fly a plane into your house!
[03:39:00] <Konomi> den den den deeeeennnn
[03:39:04] <Tachyon> islam will be banned in czech republic :D
[03:39:10] <Tachyon> there is no stopping me :)
[03:39:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> mostly i do not FEAR them. happy to kill them if they need it but for actions not thoughts or speech. i like liberty more than i dislike islam.
[03:39:39] <crutchy> USA has already banned islam without banning islam... marginalizing it with propaganda
[03:40:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, dude, a clue, get one. our media celebrates and makes apologies for islam every chance it gets
[03:40:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> only one bloody network showed that silly cartoon
[03:40:44] <crutchy> not really. you guys pay homage to israel and bomb every islamic nation you can
[03:41:07] <Popeidol> TheMightyBuzzard: we're pretty anti-islamic over here on everage, and the USA looks extreme to us.
[03:41:21] <chromas> nah we got missiles now. nobody uses bombs anymore
[03:41:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, nah, we got enough bombs to just flat destroy all of em.
[03:41:45] * Bytram doesn't google any more but saw this in the #rss-bot feed: https://www.google.com
[03:41:46] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Bletchley Park - Google Search
[03:42:00] <Bytram> supposed to be an Easter Egg -- any takers?
[03:42:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> Popeidol, that's the view you're being fed then. reality is most of us don't even bother thinking about them.
[03:42:28] <Tachyon> TheMightyBuzzard: you are embracing the paradox of tolerance
[03:42:32] <Konomi> speaking of evil terrorists
[03:42:33] * chromas goes outside and looks about. Around one corner is a waiting jihadist. Another has a pedophile. Inside a bush is a rapist
[03:42:34] <Konomi> http://i.minus.com
[03:42:39] <Tachyon> TheMightyBuzzard: http://en.wikipedia.org
[03:42:39] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Wiki: Paradox of tolerance
[03:42:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> Tachyon, there's no paradox. it's a calculated risk. liberty > safety.
[03:42:55] <crutchy> haha. i seen that one Konomi
[03:43:06] <Tachyon> it is not liberty, if you can't draw muhammad
[03:43:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> says who?
[03:43:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> the law says i can.
[03:43:22] <crutchy> they also made a scissor arm that feeds you cheesy poofs
[03:43:24] <crutchy> scary shit
[03:43:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> and fuck anyone who says i can't.
[03:43:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> people hating me does not scare me.
[03:44:10] <crutchy> i think they make robots for die hard gamers
[03:44:46] <crutchy> die hard as in 'if they don't have a robot to feed them they die... of starvation'
[03:44:53] <Bytram> I'm going to go out on a limb ... some *excellent* pics in this story: http://www.wired.com
[03:44:53] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03The Most Ancient and Magnificent Trees From Around the World | WIRED
[03:44:59] <Tachyon> TheMightyBuzzard: says Cartoonist Molly Norris. She went actually under witness protection for establishing everybody draw muhammad day
[03:45:10] <Tachyon> TheMightyBuzzard: if you think that is free society, have it your way
[03:45:24] <crutchy> Tachyon, the US government is the most fucked up religion of all time
[03:45:34] <Tachyon> I'm going to establish everybody draw muhammad day and walk peacefully around my country.
[03:45:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> Tachyon, she's a pansy then. give me liberty or give me death.
[03:46:33] <Bytram> http://www.wired.com
[03:46:50] <chromas> trees++
[03:46:50] <Bender> karma - trees: 1
[03:46:52] <crutchy> Bytram, the au google doesn't seem to have any easter egg for that query :/
[03:46:59] <chromas> trees++ # one more for bob ross
[03:46:59] <Bender> karma - trees: 2
[03:47:05] <Tachyon> if all americans are like that, you will be very soon like france - a country on the danger of civil war. I think We will have to remove you from possesing nuclear weapons.
[03:47:16] <Bytram> crutchy: hmmm, may be specific to google.COM
[03:47:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> ain't sayin yall can't do what you like with your own country but for mine, i'll shoot any bastard who dares tell me what i can think or say.
[03:47:34] <Tachyon> actually, after I win the elections, Czech Republic will be the most advanced country in the world
[03:47:37] <crutchy> Bytram, true. i clicked the link and it auto-redirected me
[03:47:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> Tachyon, nah, we all have guns.
[03:47:45] <Popeidol> I like how quickly this escalated to shooting bastards and, civil war, and disarming the USA
[03:47:48] <Tachyon> we will have like 30% GDP growth
[03:47:50] <Bytram> crutchy: yeah, the goog tends to do that.
[03:47:54] <Tachyon> maybe even more
[03:48:04] <crutchy> Tachyon, america is heading for civil war
[03:48:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd watch that. cause bad instability in your currency.
[03:48:23] * Bytram wishes that tree story had a good picture of a Banyan; saw one at the Edison complex in Florida -- breathtaking!
[03:48:25] <Tachyon> crutchy: yes. Thanks to people like TheMightyBuzzard ...
[03:48:36] <crutchy> nah. its just the nature of the beast
[03:48:43] <crutchy> they are so polarized
[03:48:50] <Tachyon> now, it is because you are not banning violent ideologies
[03:48:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> Tachyon, that is the truth.
[03:48:54] <Tachyon> not
[03:49:04] <Konomi> selling truth
[03:49:07] <Konomi> 10 dollars a pop
[03:49:18] <Konomi> nograb
[03:49:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, we're headed for civil war because folks ARE trying to tell us what we're allowed to think and say.
[03:49:24] <Tachyon> TheMightyBuzzard: we will handle it
[03:49:25] <Konomi> I know you all and your context destroying ways
[03:49:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> and eventually we'll have enough of it and just kill them.
[03:49:45] <Tachyon> TheMightyBuzzard: you will eventually find out
[03:49:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you say so, guy
[03:50:09] <Tachyon> TheMightyBuzzard: for example when your daugther or daugther of somebody you know gets killed by a fucking muslim terrorist
[03:50:10] <Tachyon> ...
[03:50:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm unafraid of towel-heads
[03:50:27] <Tachyon> but you probably will complain that the problem is, that she didn't have a GUN
[03:50:40] <Tachyon> not my problem though
[03:50:45] <Tachyon> i'm saving europe first
[03:50:50] <crutchy> Tachyon, its hatred towards washington and the power class that will eventually boil over. just needs a trigger that is so offensive to the common man that he feels he has no choice but to take up arms and fight uncle sam
[03:51:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> i very likely would. women need to carry more often. equalizer is not just something guns are called for no reason.
[03:51:18] <Tachyon> TheMightyBuzzard: yes, even 6 year old children...
[03:51:21] <Tachyon> i get your point
[03:51:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> i could shoot at six, yes.
[03:51:42] * Bytram could, too.
[03:51:52] <Tachyon> maybe, whe should give guns to the children in the whomb
[03:51:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> not well mind you but i knew not to point them at people unless i meant it at least.
[03:52:09] <Bytram> 'zactly
[03:52:10] <Tachyon> what if an evil rapist will show his dick to them?
[03:52:11] <crutchy> Tachyon, they could bust out like the alien :d
[03:52:13] <Konomi> you can't carry here ._.
[03:52:18] <arti> btw tachyon, regarding "if somebody is preaching KILL TheMightyBuzzard KILL TheMightyBuzzard, you are ok with that?" we have laws against inciting violence
[03:52:20] <Konomi> believe me if you could I'd have a personal taser
[03:52:29] <Tachyon> arti: really?
[03:52:34] <Konomi> guns I get
[03:52:36] <Tachyon> TheMightyBuzzard: ^^^^ then you don't have free speech
[03:52:42] <arti> yeah, because it's a threat at that point.
[03:52:48] <Konomi> but people can't carry tasers or pepper spray as personal protection here...
[03:52:54] <Bytram> there's a different between liberty and license
[03:52:57] <arti> just carry snakes
[03:52:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, cause you're teh awesum
[03:53:00] <arti> you guys have lots of those there
[03:53:03] <Tachyon> arti: so... you should know, that islam is by default preaching violence...
[03:53:03] <crutchy> Konomi, as much as i fear people with guns, i think its because they aren't common here. if we were a bit more free it would be ok i think
[03:53:17] <crutchy> damn nanny state mentality
[03:53:20] <Tachyon> arti: mainly against apostates, those who criticize islam and infidels
[03:53:20] <arti> Tachyon: i'm not defending islam
[03:53:29] <Tachyon> arti: good :)
[03:53:40] <crutchy> i fear police with guns as much as anyone else
[03:53:46] <arti> as you should
[03:53:53] <arti> more people are shot by them than the reverse here
[03:53:58] <Konomi> crutchy: criminals in uniform is my favourite term for police ;p
[03:54:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, you'd be fine. 99.4% of privately owned weapons in the us are never used in crime and millions per year are used in self-defense.
[03:54:18] <arti> "take that you invading styrofoam cup!"
[03:54:21] <Tachyon> hmmmm
[03:54:22] <Tachyon> http://townhall.com
[03:54:23] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03At Least 80% U.S. Mosques Promote Violent Jihad - Greg Hengler
[03:54:23] <crutchy> thankfully the cops i've had anything to do with have been decent
[03:54:23] <Bytram> Tachyon: my perspective is that there are *some* who are preaching violence, which runs counter to the teachings of the faith. In much the same way that some Christians do not follow the precept of Love your Neighbor.
[03:54:39] <Tachyon> Bytram: they say it is 80%
[03:54:45] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, yeah i know. i think guns should be legal here too
[03:54:47] <Bytram> "they" ??
[03:54:50] <Tachyon> i'm not sure about it ...
[03:54:57] <Konomi> crutchy: I haven't experinced anything bad with police but I've both witnessed and heard stories from friends about them that make me distrust them
[03:54:57] <Tachyon> it is what first pop on google
[03:55:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, actually it runs straight by the word of the faith but that's another matter.
[03:55:16] <crutchy> Konomi, the power they have over me is what scares me
[03:55:24] <arti> indeed.
[03:55:30] <arti> also the whole their word > yours.
[03:55:31] <Konomi> yup
[03:55:35] <Bytram> could be -- there's a passage in the old testament about dashing baby's heads against the rocks, too.
[03:55:39] <Konomi> our police have so many more powers than the usa ones
[03:55:46] <arti> bytram, uh
[03:55:47] <Konomi> like you can search anyone's car heere for fucking anything
[03:55:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, if you have one then they don't have any special power over you anymore.
[03:55:55] <Konomi> you don't need to have any cause of suspicion
[03:56:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> none you don't share anyway
[03:56:13] <arti> all these people with half off ideas of things, it's great
[03:56:16] <Popeidol> Konomi: is that a state law?
[03:56:24] <arti> reminds me of my rust programming skillz
[03:56:40] <Konomi> Popeidol: far as I know there is no law for reasonable suspicion for searches of vehicles in australia anywhere
[03:56:44] <Tachyon> hmmmm
[03:56:46] <Tachyon> In 1942, the U.S. Supreme Court established the doctrine by a 90 decision in Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire. It held that "insulting or 'fighting words,' those that by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace" are among the "well-defined and narrowly limited classes of speech the prevention and punishment of [which] have never been thought to raise any constitutional problem."
[03:56:47] <crutchy> Konomi, agreed. i did some homework on police powers when i drove interstate. they pretty much have no limits. and we don't have a bill of rights
[03:57:12] <Konomi> crutchy: too many "middle class" people in australia
[03:57:18] <Konomi> they won't care until we have a crash of osme sort
[03:57:20] <Tachyon> so does that mean, that drawing muhammad is illegal in USA?
[03:57:35] <arti> tachyon, depends on who you talk to :P
[03:57:39] <Konomi> then when the cops be searching their cars they might give a crap ;p
[03:57:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> Tachyon, nope, first amendment protects that regardless.
[03:57:50] <crutchy> Konomi, middle class is good though. but yeah we're prolly a bit to laid back. that might be more our culture talking
[03:57:54] <Tachyon> because it is clearly insulting and tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace
[03:58:13] <Konomi> crutchy: idk I dont see how you can have a responsible middle class they're comfortable where they are at they have no reason to make noise
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[03:58:18] <geotti> wassup
[03:58:23] <geotti> mate++
[03:58:23] <Bender> karma - mate: 7
[03:58:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> now taking it around to a mosque and shoving it in people's faces? yeah, that's asking to get your ass beat at the very least.
[03:58:25] <geotti> tea++
[03:58:25] <Bender> karma - tea: 375
[03:58:45] <Bytram> coffee++
[03:58:45] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1001
[03:58:45] <crutchy> Konomi, middle class is the workhorse of an economy
[03:58:47] <geotti> whatcha fightin' 'bout?
[03:59:00] <arti> islam, police
[03:59:02] <arti> uh
[03:59:07] <geotti> police--
[03:59:07] <Bender> karma - police: -1
[03:59:07] <arti> vowels
[03:59:11] <geotti> vowels++
[03:59:11] <Bender> karma - vowels: 1
[03:59:12] <Tachyon> ---
[03:59:12] <Hedonismbot> Karma - -: -4
[03:59:13] <Tachyon> the court overturned a statute prohibiting flag-burning and verbally abusing the flag, holding that mere offensiveness does not qualify as "fighting words".
[03:59:14] * Bytram has been munchin popcorn and pokin' around a bit.
[03:59:20] <crutchy> and spiderman
[03:59:26] <Tachyon> interesting reading
[03:59:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> but not just words that people may be insulted by. you have to show actual effort to be actively and intimately trying to provoke a fight.
[03:59:36] <Konomi> crutchy: I think in austrlia they've become the pampered voting block to bribe with benifits and tax breaks myself
[03:59:40] <crutchy> and we're trying to convince chromas to be the irc god
[03:59:44] <Konomi> they might be the pillar in other countries
[03:59:51] <geotti> now that guy on the highway was just provoking a fight
[03:59:56] <geotti> fucking taxi driver
[04:00:00] <arti> konomi: bribing the people with their own money is awesome
[04:00:04] <geotti> mad_taxidrivers--
[04:00:04] <Bender> karma - mad_taxidrivers: -1
[04:00:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> Tachyon, i am slow. what you said basically made my point.
[04:00:06] <Konomi> yeah I know
[04:00:13] <crutchy> Konomi, middle class don't like paying for government programs. i hate the whole welfare state thing
[04:00:15] <Konomi> our governments are great at it
[04:00:30] <Konomi> crutchy: better make your own roads then ;p
[04:00:38] <Popeidol> welfare_state++
[04:00:38] <Bender> karma - welfare_state: 1
[04:00:47] <crutchy> roads are state thing. not federal
[04:00:51] <arti> crutchy: sounds like you guys need more immigrants
[04:01:01] <Konomi> crutchy: states get federal funding for them
[04:01:07] <geotti> who needs roads, when we've got broadband?
[04:01:07] <crutchy> they shouldn't
[04:01:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, both here. not that it really matters.
[04:01:11] <Konomi> well they do
[04:01:11] <Popeidol> just make sure scott ludlum keeps getting into the senate and it'll all turn out okay
[04:01:16] <arti> geotti: teh amazon delivery guys
[04:01:28] <geotti> arti: don't they have drones yet?
[04:01:30] <arti> that the arizona guy?
[04:01:33] <crutchy> i pay rates, income tax, fuel excise, gst.... fuck the government!
[04:01:48] <Konomi> "I pay tax now get off my lawn mutter mutter!"
[04:01:52] <arti> crutchy, you guys have a VAT?
[04:01:52] <crutchy> lol
[04:02:03] <crutchy> Konomi, that's the middle class for ya
[04:02:11] <Konomi> personally
[04:02:29] <crutchy> as long as the government stays out of the way, we're happy little vegemites
[04:02:31] <Tachyon> TheMightyBuzzard: i just read all the wiki article and I think your protection of freespeech is too broad
[04:02:33] <Konomi> I'd love to be in a pure capitialist society cause I think anarchy would be the choice of values for the day
[04:02:39] <Konomi> no funded police awesome
[04:02:41] <Tachyon> your supreme court will have to change that
[04:02:52] <Konomi> time to "repossess" some stuff
[04:03:01] <Popeidol> arti: we call it the GST
[04:03:01] <Konomi> make my own little personal army while I am at it \o/
[04:03:02] <crutchy> capitalism isn't about anarchy. in fact it depends on government for two key functions
[04:03:07] <arti> oh okay, thanks.
[04:03:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> Tachyon, you're welcome to think so. too many of us like it the way it is and will kill to keep it that way over here though.
[04:03:16] <crutchy> prevention of fraud and enforcing contracts
[04:03:16] <Konomi> crutchy: pure capitalism lets the markets decide
[04:03:17] <arti> Government Screwing Tax
[04:03:20] <Konomi> no government period
[04:03:31] <crutchy> Konomi, no its not
[04:03:33] <Tachyon> TheMightyBuzzard: then you will be killed by some extremists
[04:03:39] <crutchy> capitalism needs government
[04:03:39] <arti> it would never work
[04:03:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> Tachyon, never gonna happen.
[04:03:50] <Konomi> then it's not really capitalism
[04:03:53] <Tachyon> TheMightyBuzzard: and the NSA surveilance will have to be even broader to keep you safe
[04:03:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> but welcome to keep worrying about it.
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[04:04:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> Tachyon, yeah fuck the NSA. them bastards are on my list.
[04:04:14] <crutchy> Konomi, capitalism is an economic function, not a political or social one
[04:04:16] <arti> the NSA magic is about logging everything, and then when you become interesting sift through it.
[04:04:19] <Tachyon> TheMightyBuzzard: i don't give many shits about USA. I think USA will have to help france to manage its civil war
[04:04:39] <Tachyon> then maybe you'll realize what a grave mistake the islam is
[04:04:41] <crutchy> capitalism isn't a political system
[04:04:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> I don't know that we even would help them.
[04:04:49] <arti> crutchy, islam is though :D
[04:04:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> Probably not.
[04:04:52] <Konomi> yes and if you want pure capitalism it owuld be the markets making all the choices
[04:04:59] <Tachyon> TheMightyBuzzard: you would
[04:05:01] <crutchy> only in how money is spent
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[04:05:08] <crutchy> private money
[04:05:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> You think? Most of us dislike the french quite a bit.
[04:05:16] <Tachyon> TheMightyBuzzard: USA is always going to save frances ass
[04:05:25] <arti> TheMightyBuzzard that's bs
[04:05:34] <Tachyon> TheMightyBuzzard: no matter, you won't let it fall in a long lasting civil war
[04:05:45] <crutchy> no government enforcement of banking monopolies
[04:05:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> arti, okay, only a whole lot of us do then. i can't claim surveyed majority.
[04:06:01] <arti> beyond the childish retreat jokes
[04:06:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh no, i'm quite serious about hating their smarmy, sponging asses.
[04:06:45] <crutchy> Konomi, you should read up on capitalism before it got fucked up by Keynes. you might even like it
[04:06:46] <arti> why? their food tastes too good?
[04:06:48] <Popeidol> the french sponge?
[04:06:59] <Konomi> I already did ;p
[04:07:16] <crutchy> if that were so you wouldn't be saying capitalism is anarchy
[04:07:21] <crutchy> cos its not
[04:07:23] <chromas> At least aus doesn't have sponges; not allowed to carry protection
[04:07:26] <crutchy> not by a long shot
[04:07:41] <arti> too much time in the sun :D
[04:07:43] <geotti> capitalism is governed by the invisible hand (tm)
[04:07:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't really care for their food in general. mostly because they haven't shown up and helped us worth a damn since... oh the late 1700s
[04:08:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> and also they're rude as all fuck.
[04:08:41] <crutchy> capitalism is government by laws preventing fraud and enforcing contracts. without that enforcement, you have anarchy and capitalism would cease to function
[04:08:43] <arti> so are people from NY
[04:09:11] <crutchy> if i can walk into a shop and steal shit without fear, that's not capitlaism
[04:09:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, which is why i dislike them. they're kinda family though so I can't really hate them.
[04:09:30] <arti> if people of walmart says anything about americans, i'll take rude over dumpy.
[04:09:59] <geotti> so, y'all talking about charlie fallout?
[04:10:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> more power to ya. i prefer substance over form.
[04:10:15] <Konomi> https://twitter.com
[04:10:16] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Brad Gallaway on Twitter: "Praise the lord. All Thanks be to Disney. RT @briangaar: Best Star Wars news in 30 years http://t.co"
[04:10:20] <Konomi> all I thought was "good"
[04:10:22] <arti> america has lots of substance, fat.
[04:10:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'true
[04:10:44] <arti> also if igorance was a substance i think that would be found in equal measures
[04:11:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> no moreso than in the rest of the world. you lot only know what you think you know about us because we're like the rock star living next door, power-wise.
[04:11:53] <geotti> exceptionalism-- #'s bad mhkey?
[04:11:53] <Bender> karma - exceptionalism: -1
[04:12:15] <Konomi> NSFW https://twitter.com
[04:12:15] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03ManForMeninism on Twitter: "I Ned mabnfsnim because I'm TIRED of feminazi objectifying MAN like this: http://t.co"
[04:12:17] <Konomi> wat.
[04:13:09] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, you're like the rock star next door that begs you to pay his rent
[04:13:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, dude we shell out soooooooo much in foreign aid every year i don't even remotely want to hear that nonsense.
[04:13:46] <crutchy> lol
[04:13:57] <crutchy> why you 18 trillion in debt then?
[04:14:11] <Konomi> world is in debt
[04:14:14] <Konomi> more debt than cash
[04:14:19] <chromas> 'cause we use microsoft office
[04:14:23] <crutchy> :D
[04:14:23] <geotti> banks--
[04:14:23] <Bender> karma - banks: -2
[04:14:23] <Konomi> second going to ask mars for a loan
[04:14:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, i was gonna say ms money
[04:14:34] <geotti> fed--
[04:14:34] <Bender> karma - fed: -1
[04:14:49] <arti> rothschild
[04:14:56] <geotti> what's it matter who's paying whom in fiat money anyway?
[04:15:04] <geotti> or who owes how much
[04:15:04] <arti> what matters is what we get for it!
[04:15:12] <geotti> we don't get shit
[04:15:13] <crutchy> it matters to the retirees getting fucked over
[04:15:14] <arti> we'll trade you this, for your limited natural resources
[04:15:19] <Konomi> I agree my imaginary money is better
[04:15:24] <geotti> btc++
[04:15:24] <Bender> karma - btc: 1
[04:15:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, because we can't stop the fuckwads up in washington from running up the debt for some reason. same reason you lot are in debt. fiat currencies just gravitate that direction.
[04:15:47] <Konomi> only_retiress_get_fucked_over_ofc++
[04:15:47] <Bender> karma - only_retiress_get_fucked_over_ofc: 1
[04:15:57] <geotti> wheres_the_gold++
[04:15:57] <Bender> karma - wheres_the_gold: 1
[04:16:03] <crutchy> for some reason? foreign aid is part of that reason. you borrow money to shell it out :D
[04:16:07] <Konomi> allowing debt in the first place
[04:16:10] <Konomi> derp
[04:16:16] <arti> indeed.
[04:16:26] <geotti> foreign aid is necessary to control foreign governments, crutchy
[04:16:33] <crutchy> true that geotti
[04:16:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, foreign aid, while quite a lot of money, ain't shit compared to our welfare state.
[04:16:36] <Konomi> if gobernment prints money
[04:16:41] <Konomi> and then loans it out for interest
[04:16:42] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, i agree with that
[04:16:46] <Konomi> money+interest must be returned
[04:16:51] <Konomi> but that's impossible because
[04:16:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> we spend literally 75% of what we make every year on the welfare state in this nation.
[04:16:57] <Konomi> there's no money without interest in the first place
[04:16:59] <arti> need more people on it!
[04:17:11] <Konomi> aka it's impossible for it to be payed back
[04:17:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> and then we spend another ~60% on everything else.
[04:17:20] <crutchy> Konomi, when currency was backed by gold and silver it wasn't a problem
[04:17:29] <geotti> TheMightyBuzzard: I think the main problem is military spending, not welfare
[04:17:37] <geotti> i ain't got numbers here though
[04:17:37] <arti> lol
[04:17:50] <Konomi> fiat currency is definitly made to screw the little people
[04:17:55] <crutchy> governments had to change the laws to print money like they do (or in the case of the US they just ignore their constitution)
[04:18:15] <geotti> let's start our own country
[04:18:22] <geotti> engineer_nation++
[04:18:22] <Bender> karma - engineer_nation: 1
[04:18:24] <arti> gotta take it from somewhere
[04:18:36] <crutchy> a technocracy
[04:18:37] <chromas> SoylentIsland
[04:18:44] <crutchy> Planet Matrix
[04:18:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> geotti, go check the numbers. the ones i gave are accurate. military makes up a bunch of the other 60%ish but is by no stretch of the imagination the bulk of our spending.
[04:18:53] <crutchy> chromas++
[04:18:53] <Bender> karma - chromas: 65
[04:18:54] <geotti> we'll need some artsy people, though, or it'll be a sausage party (mostly
[04:19:03] <crutchy> geotti, definitely
[04:19:20] <Landon> we talking about switzerland?
[04:19:24] <arti> geotti: many are gay dudes, so sausage x2
[04:19:28] <crutchy> hippy nudist chicks
[04:19:37] <arti> crutchy: not what you think they are
[04:19:42] <geotti> fuckforforest gals
[04:19:50] <crutchy> o.0
[04:19:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, only if they shave their pits. anyone looks like they got buckwheat in a headlock gots to go.
[04:20:03] <arti> geotti: http://www.usgovernmentspending.com
[04:20:04] <geotti> arti: yeah, but most gay dudes have lots of girl friends ;)
[04:20:04] <crutchy> dayam
[04:20:10] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03United States Total Spending Pie Chart for 2015 - Charts
[04:20:25] <arti> faghags.
[04:20:52] <crutchy> your education system is gunna go bankrupt soon
[04:20:56] <crutchy> like housing
[04:21:04] <crutchy> huge bubble in student loans
[04:21:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> see? i ain't lie. we is like the most welfare state evar.
[04:21:13] <geotti> arti: wow, 6% for interest?
[04:21:18] <arti> yeah, lots of money seems to go into the administration costs.
[04:21:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, good.
[04:21:26] <geotti> TheMightyBuzzard: that goes to finland, I think
[04:21:26] <arti> which has swollen over the last 20 years.
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[04:21:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> we need less college students and more trade school students.
[04:21:42] <chromas> Bender: grab arti
[04:21:42] <Bender> Added quote 364
[04:21:50] <Konomi> girls hang around gay guys when they don't want to be hit on ;p
[04:21:57] <Konomi> and it works \o/
[04:22:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> geotti, yes. we're technically number two. was a bit of hyperbole.
[04:22:16] <arti> yeah, screw people for showing interest.
[04:22:17] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, its good for the country, but its unfortunate that so many young people gunna end up with bankrupsy on their records
[04:22:30] <Konomi> I've been hit on when wearing a wedding ring even...
[04:22:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[04:22:37] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Bloodhound Gang - I wish I was Queer [Lyrics] - YouTube
[04:22:38] <crutchy> well, not really good for the country
[04:23:00] <geotti> Konomi: I've been hit on more often since I got a wedding ring
[04:23:01] <crutchy> its all shit. but better to get it out of the way sooner rather than later
[04:23:12] <crutchy> haha. me too geotti
[04:23:13] <JamesNZ> Konomi: Just make yourself ugly, problem solved :P
[04:23:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, college degrees and working as a receptionist helps nobody.
[04:23:25] <Konomi> is there an idiots guide book to that?
[04:23:43] <arti> ...
[04:23:59] <chromas> [this is where tama would pipe up]
[04:24:01] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, have you seen the peter schiff video where he goes around asking about college degrees?
[04:24:05] <crutchy> funny stuff
[04:24:14] <geotti> can we just all concentrate on what we have in common instead of our differences...
[04:24:22] <crutchy> greed
[04:24:26] <crutchy> :D
[04:24:27] <JamesNZ> :P
[04:24:28] <geotti> lol
[04:24:28] <ciri> lol that's funny!
[04:24:33] <geotti> shut up ciri
[04:24:43] <chromas> poutine-- # we all hate him
[04:24:43] <Bender> karma - poutine: -376
[04:24:47] <arti> even if religion was taken out, people would kill over political differences and racism.
[04:24:54] <geotti> who's poutine?
[04:24:57] <Popeidol> also just for fun
[04:25:07] <geotti> ~define poutine
[04:25:07] <exec> [soylent] poutine: Resident naysayer of Soylent News; From the beginning, he was there to let the devs know they don't know shit and could do everything they did in five minutes. Show him your work and he'll be sure to let you know how much your code sucks and you're doing it wrong. Don't hold your breath for details; you'll pass out and then he'll inform you that you held it wrong.
[04:25:08] <JamesNZ> geotti: A very hated soylentil :P
[04:25:10] <arti> yeah, nothing like a good hunt itellyouwhat.
[04:25:19] <crutchy> geotti, he's the abstraction of negativity
[04:25:23] <geotti> ah
[04:25:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, nah. i try to avoid web video like the plague. anything that can't be put in text that i can read ten times as fast as watch can take a flying leap.
[04:25:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> unless it's got a cute and or funny cat in it
[04:25:56] <chromas> text porn
[04:26:03] <crutchy> sometimes a picture says a thousand words
[04:26:07] <chromas> "Up, down, up"
[04:26:10] <JamesNZ> chromas: That does exist.
[04:26:21] <Konomi> best define ever...
[04:26:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, asstr.org
[04:26:30] <crutchy> peter schiff also did a funny video at the national democratic convention a while ago
[04:26:32] <chromas> I know about that
[04:26:34] <chromas> :)
[04:26:37] <Popeidol> asciipr0n.com still exists?
[04:26:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> Popeidol, does it? ha!
[04:27:12] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[04:27:12] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Is a college degree worth the cost? You decide. - YouTube
[04:27:28] <geotti> yeah it is, at least in germany
[04:27:41] <geotti> 370 EUR a semester including public transportation
[04:27:42] <arti> it's also cheaper and you need a degree for everything
[04:27:48] <crutchy> in australia i think it still is, generally
[04:27:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> man i'm tired and only vaguely give a shit. is it really worth watching? bear in mind your future credibility hinges on this.
[04:28:08] <crutchy> lol. don't watch it if you don't want to
[04:28:11] <geotti> TheMightyBuzzard: then you should watch the galluscam instead
[04:28:19] <crutchy> or life of bryan
[04:28:21] <crutchy> brian
[04:28:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, there ya go
[04:28:36] <chromas> monty pipedot
[04:28:42] <crutchy> hahaha
[04:28:50] <crutchy> !grab chromas
[04:28:50] <Bender> Added quote 365
[04:29:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't think |. is written in python
[04:29:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> is it?
[04:29:18] <crutchy> php i thawt
[04:29:26] <geotti> source is open, right?
[04:29:28] <chromas> it's written in the language that crutchy could help with
[04:29:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> geotti, ya, i'm just too lazy to look
[04:29:49] <crutchy> or could make a huge mess of :d
[04:29:52] <Popeidol> it's open, I spun it up when it first got released
[04:29:53] <geotti> Pipecode is a free software news and discussion software package written in PHP for use on Pipedot.
[04:29:55] <Konomi> good video ;p
[04:30:02] <Popeidol> pretty easy to get a working site from it
[04:30:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> is my wind down and generally bullshit before bed hour.
[04:30:18] <geotti> http://pipecode.org
[04:30:18] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Pipecode: Download
[04:30:43] <chromas> "easy to get a working site from it" now that's a feature slash could steal
[04:31:19] <Konomi> "advertising and religious studies"
[04:31:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, nah, pj would get bored
[04:31:26] <Konomi> I guess those two majors go together well
[04:31:27] <Konomi> :3
[04:31:45] <chromas> if only poutine would join the staff, everyone else could go home
[04:32:07] <arti> konomi i just watched that part
[04:32:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, no kiddin. according to him he can code rings around me half asleep.
[04:32:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd be happy to let him.
[04:33:57] <geotti> TheMightyBuzzard: where did you find master perl, btw?
[04:34:05] <geotti> (http://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=5813&cid=137733)
[04:34:05] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN comment by The Mighty Buzzard (18)
[04:34:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> had him in my pocket all along. who knew?
[04:34:19] <geotti> heh
[04:34:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> quality typo, that. still not as good as the Alzheimer's Cock though
[04:35:09] <geotti> yeah
[04:35:21] <juggs> geotti, Germany has dual streams for further education right? Academic and Trades
[04:35:34] <geotti> juggs: yeah
[04:35:51] <geotti> trades is just for education, though. not further
[04:35:52] <juggs> high school too if I remember correctly
[04:36:04] <geotti> you can go learn a trade after 8th grae
[04:36:08] * Konomi drive by hugs the channel and runs off to hide
[04:36:20] <geotti> bye Konomi
[04:36:41] <arti> she must've worn two wedding rings
[04:36:52] <crutchy> cya Konomi
[04:37:00] <Konomi> actually I'm just hiding not leaving ;p
[04:37:02] <geotti> some trades you need to have more school, but generally... meh
[04:37:03] <Popeidol> she's abandoned us for the hottest 100
[04:37:08] <Konomi> wat
[04:37:13] <crutchy> here's the other peter schiff one: democrats prolly shouldn't watch
[04:37:14] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[04:37:15] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Democrats: Let's Ban Profits! - YouTube
[04:37:16] <Konomi> main stream music can go dive off a cliff
[04:37:31] * Konomi np: Alex Scheffer - Under Your Mind [BQubKBWGSEs] [YouTube 140 - audio only (DASH audio)].m4a :: 6.9M :: DeaDBeef 0.6.2
[04:37:34] <Konomi> ;p
[04:37:38] <Popeidol> remember when triple J used to be the underground cool kids?
[04:37:40] <Popeidol> those were the days
[04:37:44] <Konomi> no I don't
[04:37:54] <Konomi> I never really listened to music on tv or radio
[04:37:56] * geotti treats Konomi some quality psychedelic trance
[04:37:58] <crutchy> it used to be the garage band channel
[04:38:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[04:38:03] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Dire Straits - Money for Nothing Original Unedited Banned - YouTube
[04:38:11] <Konomi> trace I like but I'm mostly into ambient
[04:38:11] <crutchy> dire_straits++
[04:38:11] <Bender> karma - dire_straits: 1
[04:38:20] <Konomi> I like most electronica though
[04:38:27] <geotti> ambient: iridium.dj
[04:38:47] <geotti> well, it's chill out really
[04:39:05] <juggs> geotti, it's in an interesting contrast with the UK where it's all about get a BA/BSc/MA/MSc - which pushes people into worthless degrees with no future potential.
[04:39:20] <Konomi> degrees seem worthless in general now
[04:39:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, had to listen to the original cause i heard the bastardized censored version on the way home
[04:39:26] <Konomi> if everyone has one they are worth nothing...
[04:39:49] <geotti> juggs: the european school system sucks balls anyways
[04:39:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, same here. generations with extreme debt and no means of paying it off.
[04:39:57] <geotti> s/european/western/
[04:39:57] <SedNotABot> <geotti> juggs: the western school system sucks balls anyways
[04:40:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> japanese isn't too bad on a few points. your ass fails, you don't get to go to highschool.
[04:40:54] <geotti> juggs: but germany with their three school systems, is the worst i've experienced. With some twat mid-school teacher telling parents that "oh your kid's not gonna make it in the gymnasium"
[04:41:26] <Konomi> well colledge degree debt now outpaces housing morgage debt in the usa
[04:41:32] <juggs> Konomi, that was my point. It depends on the structure. I'd rather be a plumber in Germany than a BA in Social Frapiness Wonderment Studies in UK/US/Aus/NZ
[04:41:33] <geotti> japanese is a bit extreme with kids killing themselves
[04:41:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, i find that both awesome and sad
[04:41:43] <Konomi> juggs: probably accurate
[04:42:13] <geotti> juggs: you'd have to be a damn smart plumber to know the difference...
[04:42:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, i'd rather be a plumber here. hell i HAVE been a plumber here and made badass money at it.
[04:42:38] <juggs> ping city!
[04:42:53] <geotti> TheMightyBuzzard: I think juggs referred to actual pipes and physical plumbing...
[04:42:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> you get to charge a LOT if you're willing to put your hands in other people's shit.
[04:42:59] <geotti> ;)
[04:43:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> geotti, ditto, yo.
[04:43:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> if computers ever become not the in thing, i have like 8 trades i can fall back on.
[04:44:09] <geotti> so, germany has three middle schools, with only one system getting you into high-school. anything else you're damned to either learn a trade (if you can get a place) or cashier for the rest of your life
[04:44:21] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[04:44:22] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Noiseworks - Take Me Back - YouTube
[04:44:25] <crutchy> noiseworks++
[04:44:25] <Bender> karma - noiseworks: 1
[04:44:36] <juggs> geotti, what age does the streaming start at?
[04:44:41] <Konomi> oh look
[04:44:45] * Konomi np: PAX East 2014 - Why Internet Jerks Aren't Going to Win, And You Can Help [Fjr4AhBqpJk] [YouTube 18 - 640x360].mp4 :: 139M :: MPlayer/2 UNKNOWN
[04:44:52] * Konomi waits for the explosions
[04:44:55] <geotti> crutchy: "
[04:44:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> good plumber charges like $90/hr in the cheap to live areas of the US
[04:44:57] <geotti> Unfortunately, this video is not available in your country because it could contain music from SME, for which we could not agree on conditions of use with GEMA."
[04:45:15] <crutchy> oh wha?
[04:45:24] <Konomi> youtube-dl through a proxy
[04:45:25] <Konomi> ;p
[04:45:38] <geotti> juggs: in either fourth or sixth grade, depending on state
[04:46:07] <juggs> grades mean nothing to me... is that 4 years old oer 24?
[04:46:18] <geotti> uhm like 10ish to 12ish
[04:46:32] <juggs> Fuck that's young
[04:46:38] <geotti> but in some states the school decides, whereas in others parents decide
[04:46:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> geotti, send us plumbers. be happy to overpay them so much they'll even willingly drink budweiser.
[04:46:44] <geotti> lol
[04:47:32] <geotti> juggs: kids still have a chance to transfer to high-school if they've been "misplaced", but the social environment in these other two systems....
[04:48:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> electrician surprisingly doesn't make quite as much. more like $50-75K/yr unless you're really good at what you do.
[04:48:40] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, you'd need to relax your border controls and allow free movement for work. Look at Europe, it's been a raging success.
[04:48:42] <geotti> TheMightyBuzzard: thing with trades is that there's few options for a career (in the sense of making a few millions and getting out of the treadmill)
[04:48:47] <Konomi> TheMightyBuzzard: fun job though
[04:48:52] * Konomi is an electronics nut ~
[04:49:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, hahaha, good one.
[04:49:05] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[04:49:06] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Noiseworks - Touch 1988 - YouTube
[04:49:18] * geotti got himself a bus pirate recently. it. kicks. ass.
[04:49:23] <geotti> dangerousprototypes.org
[04:49:50] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, oh wait you already did.. at least down south. Throw in an amnesty every decade or so.
[04:49:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> geotti, ya i never got that. most skilled trades here you can work 40 years and retire quite comfortably if you're good with money.
[04:50:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> rather if you don't suck ass with money
[04:50:22] <Konomi> pft SO isn't around no one to cover in hugs
[04:50:23] <Konomi> ._.
[04:50:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> spend it all instead of saving and you'll still be broke but meh
[04:51:08] <chromas> yeah but if you go to college then you can spend it before you earn it!
[04:51:11] * juggs covers Konomi in sanitised, remote, IRC hugs
[04:51:19] <crutchy> get married. then you don't have to worry about saving cos it becomes impossible :d
[04:51:27] <Konomi> mmn lavender hand wash smell
[04:51:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, i'm going to implement a trade of college graduates with art history degrees for carpenters when i'm emperor.
[04:51:48] <juggs> I used carbolic soap... irc mangled the smell again
[04:51:52] <Konomi> crutchy: can't I am a second class citizen in this country ;p
[04:52:06] <crutchy> yeah that sucks
[04:52:17] <crutchy> though marriage used to be a solely religious thing
[04:52:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> show any skill worth having and we'll swap you for a current enrollee of berkeley.
[04:52:29] <crutchy> now its all tied up in government bullshit
[04:52:31] <Konomi> it started out as solely nothing to do with religion
[04:52:36] <Konomi> then pagans coopted
[04:52:40] <Konomi> then christan peeps coopted
[04:52:45] <Konomi> and now we're going back to the start again
[04:52:49] <Konomi> hopefuly
[04:53:12] <crutchy> when i got married it was a formality
[04:53:22] <Konomi> apparently you can invade words equally as much as you can invade land masses ;p
[04:53:22] <crutchy> it didn't change anything
[04:53:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, you can get married and be just as miserable as straight folks when i'm emperor
[04:53:30] <Konomi> yeah
[04:53:49] <Konomi> TheMightyBuzzard: my relationship is pretty awesome and has been for years ;p
[04:54:08] <geotti> when i got married, i went out in the evening and got hit on by several girls...
[04:54:33] <crutchy> in australia at least you have all the liabilities of marriage as long as you're with someone for a certain period
[04:54:39] <Konomi> social anxiety is so much more awesome when you get hit on
[04:54:40] <geotti> probably, because i had "don't give a fuck" written on my forehead
[04:54:45] <Konomi> so much awesome.... fucking not
[04:55:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> geotti, that is the damned truth
[04:55:03] <Konomi> "Hi you look cute"
[04:55:18] <Konomi> *mentally thinking of the quickest way to get out of social interaction*
[04:55:38] <crutchy> Konomi, "you look cute" means "i'm horny and wanna get off with you"
[04:55:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, fart. works every time.
[04:55:44] <Konomi> pretty much
[04:55:51] <Konomi> I have automatic translation for getting hit on
[04:55:59] <crutchy> pick your nose
[04:56:02] <Konomi> pretty much always translates as "hi can I stick my dick in you pllleeaasseee"
[04:56:03] <Konomi> etc
[04:56:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, to be fair, everything out of a guy's mouth in a bar means that.
[04:56:25] * chromas blames jesus for making us do that
[04:56:44] <Konomi> I blame jesus too
[04:56:52] <Konomi> for no other reason than I can
[04:57:05] <Konomi> TheMightyBuzzard: yeah I avoid bars prefer nerd meet ups
[04:57:12] <Konomi> lowers the chance ;p
[04:57:12] <crutchy> i dunno why girls go to bars unless its for the satisfaction of being hit on
[04:57:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, jesus was cool. he hung with the hookers. i blame the twats who think they're his prophet.
[04:57:22] <Konomi> idk why anyone goes to a bar
[04:57:36] <Konomi> you can't talk to anyone it's fucking too loud
[04:57:40] <crutchy> praise jebus
[04:57:41] <chromas> yeah but jesus made us in his image and like stuff
[04:57:43] <Konomi> people spill their drinks everywhere
[04:57:46] <crutchy> Konomi, agree
[04:57:49] <Konomi> or are too drunk to make sense
[04:57:50] <crutchy> bars are stupid
[04:58:19] <crutchy> full of people who think they have to be in bars to be cool
[04:58:25] <geotti> clubs++
[04:58:25] <Bender> karma - clubs: 1
[04:58:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> bars are awesome. there's booze and games and music and you can get in a fight with someone you just met if you need to blow off more steam than the others will account for.
[04:58:28] <geotti> bars--
[04:58:28] <Bender> karma - bars: -1
[04:58:36] <crutchy> clubs are nicer
[04:58:43] <Konomi> clubs are okay
[04:58:44] <crutchy> though there aren't that many around here
[04:58:47] <geotti> if you ever come to berlin
[04:58:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> clubs are full of pretentious twats
[04:58:47] <Konomi> they're too formal for me though
[04:58:53] <Konomi> I have formal stuff
[04:58:58] <geotti> http://kitkatclub.org
[04:58:59] <Konomi> I hate suits and dresses
[04:59:00] <geotti> formal
[04:59:00] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03<< KitKatClub - THE HUMAN PROJECT - Information, Communication, Networking - Futter fr Herz und Hirn! >> ( http://www.kitkatclub.org )
[04:59:02] <crutchy> clubs are a bit uppity
[04:59:11] <geotti> hehe nothing formal about kitkat ;)
[04:59:18] <crutchy> but at least the music is usually nicer and not so loud
[04:59:20] <Konomi> hacker meet ups or bust
[04:59:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> dive bars or pubs ftw
[04:59:26] <geotti> nsf, btw
[04:59:36] <geotti> s/nsf/nsfw/
[04:59:36] <SedNotABot> <geotti> nsfw, btw
[04:59:43] <Konomi> you really need to base your social outtings around people who care or are obsessed iwth xyz subject
[04:59:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, only sober. i do bad things if you let me near a keyboard while drunk and around other hacker types.
[04:59:56] <crutchy> pubs are ok. they are usually full of blokes that just don't give a fuck
[04:59:59] <Konomi> it is the only way you'll have a hope of escaping the rampent stupid normies
[05:00:14] <crutchy> drinking away their sorrows away from the nagging missus
[05:00:25] * TheMightyBuzzard eyes the gibson
[05:00:47] <Konomi> insult me I'll probably ignore you hit on me probably brush you off
[05:00:51] <crutchy> pubs usually have decent meals that are cheap too
[05:01:00] <Konomi> touch my laptop and I'll punch you in the face
[05:01:00] <geotti> Konomi: you intro electronic music and don't like clubs?
[05:01:01] <Konomi> >.<
[05:01:05] <chromas> https://community.rapid7.com
[05:01:07] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Information Security: The Internet of Gas Stati... | SecurityStreet
[05:01:08] <geotti> +1
[05:01:13] <geotti> about the laptop
[05:01:34] <Konomi> I shall summon all my pent up nerd rage into my fist \o/
[05:01:44] <geotti> what about festivals?
[05:01:48] <Konomi> they're okay
[05:01:58] <Konomi> but they generally have too many second hand stalls
[05:02:05] <Konomi> and I'll come back with useless stuff
[05:02:43] <geotti> festivals like these: https://www.youtube.com
[05:02:44] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03earthcore 2004 - Raja Ram epic closing set - YouTube
[05:02:59] <Konomi> providing person hyigene is followed
[05:03:01] <Konomi> they're okay
[05:03:03] <crutchy> festivals are full of sweaty hippies
[05:03:13] <Konomi> ^ this is my cocnern
[05:03:19] <Konomi> urk or not
[05:03:21] <Konomi> would no go
[05:03:32] <crutchy> needlestick--
[05:03:32] <Bender> karma - needlestick: -1
[05:03:36] <geotti> raja_ram++
[05:03:36] <Bender> karma - raja_ram: 1
[05:03:50] <Konomi> any event where multiple guys have their tops off is nore than likely a good thing to avoid ;p
[05:04:05] <geotti> Konomi: don't worry, they're all on drugs ;))
[05:04:11] <Konomi> old dj with love heart shirt is very much awesome though
[05:04:30] <geotti> and he's having a good time too ;)
[05:05:02] <geotti> 2:45
[05:06:31] <Konomi> dk how many will get the pun of this image
[05:06:33] <Konomi> https://i.imgur.com
[05:07:09] <chromas> Konomi: s/pun/irony/
[05:07:20] <Konomi> irony can be part of a pun ;p
[05:07:38] <geotti> the reddit mascot?
[05:07:42] <Konomi> I once listened to a radio talk show about defining irony and comparing it with sarcasm
[05:07:45] <Konomi> it got quite complex
[05:08:24] <geotti> irony < sarcasm < cynicism
[05:08:51] <juggs> It's gone all upside down in here. A sure sign it is past my duvet cowering time.
[05:09:02] <juggs> Be well all.
[05:09:02] <ciri> where you going? juggs
[05:09:39] <Konomi> ciri is like our secret police
[05:09:43] <Konomi> always asking where people are going
[05:10:15] <geotti> bye juggs
[05:11:00] <Konomi> geotti: you know this wouldn't happen in 2015
[05:11:10] <Konomi> those water jets would've killed a few smart phones ;p
[05:11:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> nite juggs
[05:11:55] <ciri> nite, have a good one TheMightyBuzzard
[05:12:27] <Konomi> ciri is an expert in context
[05:13:45] <Konomi> heh LoL made the chat hidden by default and reduced abbusive chat by 33%...
[05:14:02] <Konomi> add one button reduce the nastyiness
[05:14:43] <geotti> Konomi: https://www.youtube.com no water jets, but..
[05:14:44] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Aurora dance festival 2011 SAMOTHRAKI!!! - YouTube
[05:14:47] * chromas abuses Konomi's button
[05:15:01] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[05:15:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait huh?
[05:15:03] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Peter Schiff educates misguided people at occupy wall street. - YouTube
[05:15:07] <crutchy> ballsey
[05:15:27] <geotti> the sound is pretty shitty
[05:16:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> occupy people couldn't have been more obvious pinko commie hippies if they'd all wore bell bottoms and tie-dyed dead shirts.
[05:16:58] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: s/d d/d ungrateful d/
[05:16:58] <SedNotABot> <chromas> <TheMightyBuzzard> occupy people couldn't have been more obvious pinko commie hippies if they'd all wore bell bottoms and tie-dyed ungrateful dead shirts.
[05:17:09] <geotti> Konomi: anyway, festivals, i like!
[05:17:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> nothin against the dead, mind you. love their tunes. even have a stealie tat.
[05:17:27] <geotti> Konomi: the proper ones are always... fascinating
[05:17:53] <geotti> dead++
[05:17:53] <Bender> karma - dead: 1
[05:17:55] <geotti> lsd++
[05:17:55] <Bender> karma - lsd: 2
[05:18:01] <geotti> !whoup lsd
[05:18:01] <Bender> uppers of lsd are: geotti: 2
[05:18:03] <geotti> oh..
[05:18:41] * geotti wonders if he'll get to go to one of these parties with his kids
[05:18:58] <geotti> or if i'll have to go to one of these parties to find my kids
[05:19:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> personally, i'd rather listen to a bootleg dead disk than see Dylan live.
[05:20:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> lately poor bob sounds like they got a homeless wino, asked if he knew any bob dylan songs, and when he said no they dragged him on stage
[05:20:52] <Konomi> can you sinngunsssss?
[05:20:57] <Konomi> good on stage!
[05:21:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> i listened to like eight songs before i managed to recognize one and the one he was singing wasn't the one the band was playing
[05:22:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> so i got up and left
[05:22:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> worst concert evar
[05:23:16] <geotti> that sucks buz
[05:23:42] <geotti> i went to a lee scratch perry concert in saloniki once
[05:23:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya man, i was heartbroke
[05:23:56] <geotti> and the guy was talking to the crows, but noone understood a word
[05:24:02] <geotti> he took off after 3 songs
[05:24:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeesh
[05:24:12] <geotti> crowd
[05:24:38] <geotti> i was pretty pissed, but he was totally disappointed
[05:24:52] * geotti paid 70 bucks for it too...
[05:24:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> burn out or fade away, old artists really need to be told when they need to pick one.
[05:25:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. dylan cost like $120 cause my brother sprung for good seats.
[05:25:40] <geotti> only time i actually wanted to get my money back
[05:26:03] <geotti> seats?
[05:26:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, was indoor show. small auditorium. maybe 3-4k max seating.
[05:26:43] <geotti> so it was a spectacle, not a concert?
[05:26:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> essentially
[05:27:02] <geotti> hm
[05:27:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> on the up side, i never have to worry about seeing a worse show now.
[05:27:49] <geotti> yeah, it's good to be an optimist
[05:28:24] <geotti> i hope for you that you're right
[05:28:27] <geotti> sounds pretty terrible
[05:28:28] <arti> gonna be another dead show 7/4
[05:28:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, me too. i don't think i could take going to say ZZ Top and them being worse.
[05:28:56] <geotti> zz_top++
[05:28:56] <Bender> karma - zz_top: 2
[05:29:08] <geotti> !whoup zz_top
[05:29:08] <Bender> uppers of zz_top are: geotti: 2
[05:29:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> going to see them shortly after the move
[05:29:13] <geotti> oh... right...
[05:29:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> zz_top++
[05:29:16] <Bender> karma - zz_top: 3
[05:29:24] <geotti> they rock!
[05:29:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> beard, beard, and a guy named beard.
[05:29:42] <geotti> and they don't take themselves too serious
[05:29:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, they're all about the fun
[05:30:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus they play some sweet bluesey licks.
[05:30:21] <geotti> they're like raja ram ;)
[05:30:28] <geotti> yeah
[05:30:38] <geotti> keepin the funk alive
[05:30:52] <geotti> well ok
[05:31:01] <geotti> kinda : )
[05:32:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, i missed seeing BB King play live at a club by like 15 minutes once. he just came in the club and started playing for shits and giggles not a few minutes after me and the guys split for the night.
[05:32:45] <geotti> surprise_concerts++
[05:32:46] <Bender> karma - surprise_concerts: 1
[05:32:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> gave me a sad cause that man knows what to do with a guitar
[05:32:50] <arti> feeeek
[05:33:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> and i don't give two shits if it's racist or not, old black men play the best blues. clapton and stevie ray vaughn be damned.
[05:34:46] * geotti goes read the news
[05:36:03] <geotti> euro going down the drain
[05:36:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> whose fault this time? greece again?
[05:36:53] <geotti> yeah
[05:37:00] <geotti> so all quiet on the western front..
[05:37:07] <geotti> greece + ecb
[05:37:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> you lot got my pity for having a union-wide currency but not union-wide financial homogeneity
[05:37:55] <arti> oh yes, what's occuring with that
[05:38:02] <arti> they mad at germany or something
[05:38:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> got socialism mixed in with capitalism mixed in with a whole lot of chronyism and nepotism
[05:38:12] <arti> ISMisms
[05:38:28] <geotti> they mad at their government
[05:38:39] <geotti> and the troika (world bank, imf, ecb)
[05:39:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya well, can't get blood from a stone. if you don't work, no wealth is created to pay you.
[05:39:13] <geotti> they work a lot
[05:39:30] <arti> and then they retire!
[05:39:32] <geotti> i've lived there for a while
[05:39:41] <geotti> they work just as much if not more than germans
[05:39:53] <geotti> at least my impression
[05:40:11] <geotti> without the same social net and safety you get in de
[05:40:23] <geotti> they have a really corrupt government, though
[05:40:27] <geotti> had
[05:40:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, that'd do it.
[05:40:30] <geotti> apparently
[05:40:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'what has us is gerzillions of dollars of debt. no reason they should be different.
[05:41:11] <geotti> they can't print their own money
[05:41:32] <arti> didn't they cook their books to join the EU?
[05:41:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> foolish greeks. should have stayed out of the union if they wanted to keep digging their hole then.
[05:41:59] <geotti> noone will be able to kick them out of the euro though
[05:42:19] <geotti> apparently there's no provision for leaving the currency zone
[05:42:29] <geotti> they'll just not pay the debt
[05:42:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> best thing you can do for them is let them fail.
[05:42:51] <geotti> then they'll drag the whole zone with them (which might be good)
[05:42:59] <geotti> but then that will expose the usd as well
[05:43:05] * TheMightyBuzzard nods
[05:43:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's fine. we're big boys and china can't stop buying our debt or their economy tanks too.
[05:44:19] <geotti> i dunno, it sounds like shtf material
[05:44:35] <arti> shtf?
[05:44:36] <geotti> if eurozone collapses
[05:44:40] <geotti> shit hits the fan
[05:44:44] <arti> aaaah
[05:44:55] <arti> "sht fsck" didn't sound right
[05:45:01] <geotti> heh
[05:45:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> nothing's going to change until it absolutely has to though. looters are going to continue looting as long as the people allow them to.
[05:45:27] <geotti> looters got the police on their side
[05:45:30] <geotti> and the law
[05:45:35] <geotti> and the banks
[05:45:57] <geotti> so, probably world currency it is
[05:46:05] <arti> good luck with that
[05:46:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, not saying it's gonna be easy, revolution never is, but it's necessary.
[05:46:20] <geotti> maybe that's why all this maneuvering
[05:46:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> what, we all moving to BTC?
[05:46:47] <geotti> with the economic blocs i mean
[05:47:07] <Konomi> https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net
[05:47:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, i am not waiting for even one block confirmation to buy a bloody coke.
[05:47:10] <Konomi> related
[05:48:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[05:48:05] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03YouTube
[05:48:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> awesome
[05:48:13] <Konomi> mew?
[05:48:17] <Konomi> why is that awesome ;p ?
[05:48:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> bah, they started hiding the vid name
[05:48:33] <Konomi> um
[05:48:41] <Konomi> you never pasted one just a link to the home page?
[05:48:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[05:48:48] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Revolution - The Beatles - YouTube
[05:48:54] <Konomi> thar you go ;p
[05:49:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya if you don't open it in a new tab they don't show the script arguments anymore
[05:49:26] * geotti is going to move to south america if revolution starts
[05:49:29] <Konomi> oh you watched it on the home page?
[05:49:39] <Konomi> I want space travel
[05:49:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> geotti, don't gotta involve guns. political is fine too.
[05:49:44] <Konomi> I see it as the only way to be actually free
[05:49:51] <arti> geotti: as long as they don't do the aztec sacrifice thing for better times :D
[05:50:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, i'm looking forward to when the moon becomes a penal colony. i'm moving soon as it does.
[05:50:27] <geotti> TheMightyBuzzard: i don't think it's going to stay political
[05:50:36] <Konomi> ha ;p
[05:51:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> tanstaafl, earthworms
[05:51:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> geotti, prolly will for a while. there's hope but i wouldn't put all your money on it.
[05:52:39] <geotti> maybe north korea is a safer place, if I think about it
[05:53:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> crap internet though
[05:54:16] <Konomi> any deviation from the supposed normal would get you into a lot of trouble in NK
[05:54:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> try switzerland. safest place in the world. every home has an assault rifle.
[05:54:46] <geotti> i'd prefer Crete over Switzerland ;)
[05:54:51] <geotti> nicer weather
[05:54:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> fair nuff
[05:55:40] <geotti> she was a day tripper ....
[05:55:44] <geotti> lsd++
[05:55:44] <Bender> karma - lsd: 3
[05:56:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm thinking go bum my ass around on a beach somewhere on some island in the caribbean. i got enough skills to keep me liquid even in a tight economy.
[05:56:19] <geotti> kids?
[05:56:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, nor spouse.
[05:56:38] <geotti> that's easy enough then
[05:56:44] <arti> pets?
[05:56:53] <geotti> besides slashcode, buz
[05:58:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> man i can be a plumber, electrician, heating and air guy, carpenter, phone company lineman, furniture/cabinet maker, welder, and auto mechanic just off the top of my head.
[05:59:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> i got mad skillz cause i never stuck with a job for more than a couple years when i was young
[05:59:27] <geotti> jack-of-all-trades
[05:59:39] <geotti> you'll earn your bread
[06:00:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd like to claim strategic life planning but only two or three of them would it be true about.
[06:00:22] <geotti> anyway Watson and Sherlock are lying in the field staring at the stars, Sherlock asks Watson: "So, what do you see, when you see the stars?"
[06:01:14] <geotti> "Well," replies Watson, "it means to me that we are just a small part of a greater .."
[06:01:41] <geotti> "No, Watson," interrupts Sherlock, "it means that someone has stolen our tent!"
[06:01:50] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[06:02:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh ya, i can do tent living and shoot people too. thanks, army.
[06:04:24] * geotti needs to sign-off for a while
[06:04:26] <geotti> brb
[06:04:26] <ciri> when you coming back. miss ya already! ;) geotti
[06:06:54] <Konomi> "we missed you mr geotti "
[06:07:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> honestly, i need to sign off period. five hours until i get up and get at finding out why dev and the test deployment box aren't working quite right with the mod changes.
[06:07:10] * Konomi sucks at the agent smith voice though
[06:07:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, just so we're clear, there was only one Matrix movie.
[06:07:47] <Konomi> my perl bot exploded last night and I still can't find the bug ;p
[06:07:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> The other two were bad dreams.
[06:08:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> funky. nothing helpful on the terminal?
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[06:08:09] <Konomi> I had to add if (not (defined $line) { die "What"; }
[06:08:15] <Ethanol-fueled> 'sup fellas
[06:08:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> sup yo
[06:08:34] <Konomi> it hit some absurb bug where it was returning can_read for the socket but returning no data
[06:08:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> bout to hit the sack but i got one smoke left in me for yacking
[06:08:44] <Ethanol-fueled> Nice.
[06:08:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> funky
[06:08:47] <Ethanol-fueled> Same here.
[06:08:56] <Konomi> gonna give your pc cooler cancer
[06:08:59] <Ethanol-fueled> 'cept wine instead of smoke.
[06:09:10] <Ethanol-fueled> gonna call out sick tomorrow to get ahead with school.
[06:09:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i prolly do need to blow it out soon. it's getting rather dust bunny-ish in there.
[06:09:40] <Konomi> TheMightyBuzzard: I've worked on smokers computers before, they smell like ash trays and the tar stays in them xD
[06:10:01] <Ethanol-fueled> konomi, as have I. In severe cases the nicotone gums up the fans.
[06:10:06] <Ethanol-fueled> and smells like ammonia
[06:10:08] <Konomi> my old work place refused to service one once
[06:10:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't gotta tell me this. been doing both since the family figured out i could fix the things.
[06:10:16] <Konomi> because the person who owned it was a chain smoker never vented the room
[06:10:26] <Konomi> it was basically an OH&S safety concern
[06:10:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> lol, was not. just smelled bad.
[06:10:47] <Ethanol-fueled> Severe chain-smokers who smoke processed cigs and don't ventilate their houses smell as their houses do -- like cat piss.
[06:10:53] <Konomi> boss had qualms about taking it out back and blowing it out due to possible pollution
[06:10:56] <Konomi> >.<
[06:10:58] <Ethanol-fueled> It's not even that pleasant tobacco-ey smell.
[06:11:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i roll unprocessed tobacco. hard to find if you don't live in oklahoma though. going to have someone ship me some every couple months i guess.
[06:12:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's technically sold as pipe tobacco to get around the taxes but it's just ordinary old tobacco with nothing done to it cept shredding it up.
[06:13:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> runs me like $20 a month if you count in the rolling papers. suck it, IRS.
[06:15:21] <Konomi> never took up smoking
[06:15:39] <arti> that's because only the cool kids do it
[06:15:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> zactly
[06:15:56] <Konomi> not cool cool kids
[06:16:34] <Ethanol-fueled> I smoked on and off since age 14, when we used to pay bums to buy us cigs.
[06:16:36] <arti> gg once you pair it iwth alcohol.
[06:16:59] <Ethanol-fueled> Started with Marlboro reds, than American Spirit Yellows. Hard to quit when drinking around friends who smoke.
[06:17:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> i didn't get my geek card till i was done out of school. i was the punk guy who'd kick your face in if it struck him as fun.
[06:18:04] <Ethanol-fueled> Nice.
[06:18:20] <Ethanol-fueled> Finally quit smoking a year or two ago.
[06:18:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> quitters never win
[06:18:46] <Ethanol-fueled> (for certain values of "quit," think had like 2 puffs since then)
[06:19:03] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard, I'll never quit drinking. Booze is my wife, booze is my life.
[06:19:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> sides, it puts a protective coating of tar on your lungs. like teflon on a frying pan.
[06:19:15] <geotti> ritz_crackers++
[06:19:15] <Bender> karma - ritz_crackers: 1
[06:19:25] <Konomi> congradulations you've won cancer \o/
[06:19:33] * Konomi hands over the cancer trophy
[06:19:38] <Konomi> and you beat all your friends to it!
[06:19:39] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard, to protect your lungs from the hazards of fresh air?
[06:19:45] <Konomi> you're number 1 \o/
[06:19:49] <Ethanol-fueled> Konomi, everything gives you cancer.
[06:20:04] <Ethanol-fueled> chances are you are drinking or eating processed crap full of carcinogens.
[06:20:05] <Konomi> a lot of things do and it's the degree that varries ;p
[06:20:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoking don't cause cancer anyway.
[06:20:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> it just makes you a lot more likely to get it.
[06:20:32] <Ethanol-fueled> hahah, can't argue with that logic, Buzzard.
[06:20:45] <Ethanol-fueled> You should have been a lawyer.
[06:20:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> which ain't very in my case. zero instances of it in my family. ever.
[06:21:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> and most of us heavy smokers since it came into fashion
[06:21:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll prolly just get COPD or something instead
[06:22:24] <geotti> www.fuckcombustion.com
[06:22:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, smoke over. gonna hit the sack.
[06:22:46] <arti> alright man, take care
[06:22:48] <geotti> nighty night buz
[06:23:15] <Ethanol-fueled> Later bro
[06:23:43] <geotti> Ethanol-fueled: how's web development going?
[06:24:05] <Ethanol-fueled> geotti, I'm not enjoying the class as much as I thought I would.
[06:24:20] <swiss> is it dealing with .NET crap?
[06:24:30] <Ethanol-fueled> Fortunately it's chugging along and I plan to get ahead of schedule soon. We're doing sessions and SQL now
[06:24:47] <Ethanol-fueled> no swiss. My program uses all open source texts and software.
[06:24:59] <geotti> you should be doing SQLis ;)
[06:25:20] <Ethanol-fueled> Just MySQL, myPHPadmin, etc.
[06:25:25] <swiss> i did one that had loads of .NET
[06:25:27] <geotti> queue someone stating that .net is open source
[06:25:37] <swiss> i refused to run things that didn't work in mono
[06:25:39] <Ethanol-fueled> Do ho ho, geotti.
[06:26:14] <Ethanol-fueled> swiss, I would probably code in C# exclusively if mono worked as well as Native Windows.
[06:26:23] <arti> it's cool being like 4 versions behind yo
[06:26:44] <arti> also, IE7 for intranet sites, let's do it!
[06:26:53] <Ethanol-fueled> IE--
[06:26:53] <Bender> karma - ie: -1
[06:26:58] <geotti> the poor bastard that wanted to "teach" me visual basic had to let me do everything in java
[06:26:58] <Ethanol-fueled> only minus one?!@
[06:26:58] <swiss> i am the worst with coding. I make everything work, and always in the way it's not supposed to
[06:27:36] <Ethanol-fueled> geotti, if you come from stuff like Java or C++, Visual Basic is horriffic.
[06:27:47] <Konomi> I thought that is what coding is all about ;p
[06:28:14] <Ethanol-fueled> index variables starting at 1 instead of 0 ?! All of my why?!
[06:28:24] <geotti> i just asked him if he thought that i was running windows on my mac
[06:28:32] <crutchy> Ethanol-fueled, pascal is like that
[06:28:35] <swiss> i understand what an object/struct/etc is every time it's explained to me, then I just go and forget since I just make things work
[06:28:55] <swiss> i forget all the simple terms, which is why everyone hates working with my code
[06:28:55] <crutchy> i think
[06:29:00] <arti> itlol
[06:29:00] <Ethanol-fueled> swiss, some people just do whatever they want, however they want. And sometimes it works.
[06:29:08] <swiss> that's me
[06:29:19] <geotti> swiss++
[06:29:19] <Bender> karma - swiss: 8
[06:29:21] <arti> cargo cult coding
[06:29:31] <swiss> my last job had me coding. My boss was trying to explain how he wanted it written
[06:29:34] <swiss> i was so fuckin lost
[06:29:45] <swiss> so i just had him write down what he wanted it to do, and I made it work
[06:29:49] <Ethanol-fueled> 'sup crutch-dawg
[06:30:00] <crutchy> ~gday Ethanol-fueled
[06:30:03] * exec dexterously hurls a spoon of spew at Ethanol-fueled
[06:30:10] <swiss> then he asked me to explain it to him. Lots of "Well, so this thingy's sub-thingy is set to this, and when it changes like this, this subthingy triggers that registerthingy"
[06:30:14] <crutchy> hmm nope look likes pascal is zero-based
[06:30:21] <crutchy> wonder where i got that from :/
[06:30:25] <geotti> juggler: your name should be chuckNorris
[06:30:50] <crutchy> !grab swiss
[06:30:50] <Bender> Added quote 366
[06:30:59] <swiss> lol
[06:30:59] <ciri> HEHEHEHE
[06:31:18] <geotti> !grab ciri
[06:31:18] <Bender> Added quote 367
[06:31:22] <swiss> we were reversing some flash based malware the other day at work
[06:31:31] <Ethanol-fueled> !grab geotti
[06:31:32] <Bender> Added quote 368
[06:31:45] <Ethanol-fueled> Jesus swiss.
[06:32:00] <swiss> and my coworker doesn't code, yet he's the best at reversing. So he asked me (knowing that i wouldn't give him shit about not knowing code) to give him some pointers on what was going on in the code
[06:32:23] <swiss> it must have been like watching cavemen explain how a car works
[06:32:23] <geotti> swiss: do you work for norton?
[06:32:28] <swiss> nope
[06:32:34] <swiss> financial sector
[06:32:38] <geotti> omg
[06:32:49] <arti> you're in the right business for coding style
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[06:33:07] <Ethanol-fueled> Can I haz COBOL certificate?
[06:33:10] <arti> from what i've heard it's baling wire and duct tape
[06:33:26] <swiss> i just rember saying "so the subthingy counts, because it is inside of the second subthingy. So they can use it."
[06:33:47] <swiss> he understood what I was saying, but i could feel the hatred from the people who actually graduated in CS in the air
[06:34:26] <geotti> maybe it was awe
[06:34:41] <swiss> no, it certainly wasn't
[06:34:50] <swiss> also, why omg?
[06:35:20] <geotti> well, if it's a bank (or worse) and the guy best at reversing doesn't know how to code...
[06:35:49] <swiss> lol. We don't need to reverse much stuff. And we basically NEVER have to reverse them to get the code
[06:36:00] <swiss> it's mostly finding indicators and stuff, and he's great at that
[06:36:14] * geotti is not convinced
[06:36:24] <swiss> executing in sandboxes, finding what files it touches, how it reacts to different things, what network traffic it causes
[06:36:51] <geotti> hmm... is it affiliated with cash group?
[06:36:58] <swiss> huh?
[06:37:05] <geotti> ok, good : ) nevermind then
[06:37:23] <swiss> oh, i don't touch the money side
[06:37:34] <swiss> too much stuff going on that i really just don't care about
[06:37:35] <Ethanol-fueled> swiss, do you ever get internal breaches with malware? phishing, etc?
[06:37:45] <geotti> oh no, cash group is a consortium of several german banks
[06:38:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A Spy in the Machine - http://sylnt.us - steel-sieve
[06:38:04] <geotti> this channel is logged
[06:38:06] <swiss> we do get malware on the network, but it's never gained access to anything considered sensitive
[06:38:19] <Ethanol-fueled> One of our sales engineers clicked on the goddamn link in a targeted e-mail, and after her computer was comprimised the hackers transferred funds from a CUSTOMER ACCOUNT.
[06:38:31] <Ethanol-fueled> She doesn't expect to be with us for long.
[06:38:40] <swiss> when you have as many employees as we do, there's no way for us to stop EVERY idiot from clicking
[06:38:57] <swiss> however, we detect within an hour usually and have their machine segmented off and re-image it
[06:39:25] <geotti> not a lot one could do in an hour in a bank network...
[06:39:33] <swiss> it's malware, not a person :)
[06:39:52] <Ethanol-fueled> You know what pisses me the fuck off? Sourceforge downloads serving up malware.
[06:40:04] <Ethanol-fueled> Not exactly hacker stuff, but Bonzibuddy-tier shite.
[06:40:26] * geotti never saw adware on sf
[06:40:41] <Ethanol-fueled> I got a Vosteran infection from downloading Filezilla.
[06:40:59] <swiss> is that a kind of STD?
[06:41:11] <geotti> ~define Vosteran
[06:41:24] <Ethanol-fueled> It's not even where you can uncheck it or anything, like when they try to install like Google toolbar or some such nonsense.
[06:41:29] <geotti> ritz_crackers_with_fresh_cheese++
[06:41:29] <Bender> karma - ritz_crackers_with_fresh_cheese: 1
[06:41:35] <exec> Vosteran: unable to find definition
[06:41:48] <Ethanol-fueled> http://malwaretips.com
[06:41:48] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03How to remove Vosteran.com Search (Removal Guide)
[06:42:15] * geotti recommends linux/bsd/osx
[06:42:25] <arti> hey i saw someone else link me to adwcleaner
[06:42:38] * Konomi recommends iOS
[06:42:47] <hal9001> I've tried coaching normalfags how to avoid installing those toolbars and other crapware. It's hard. :(
[06:42:48] <arti> yeah, iOS would be a better choice lol
[06:42:50] <Ethanol-fueled> geotti, I run linux. Sometimes, like for work, I need to run Windoze garbage. Only software engineers are allowed to run Linux.
[06:42:54] <Konomi> \o/
[06:42:57] <arti> appliance mode, activated
[06:43:07] <Ethanol-fueled> arti - Homo mode, activated.
[06:43:21] <Ethanol-fueled> Fabulous! Go wild, kids, go WILD!
[06:43:24] <Ethanol-fueled> Woo woo!
[06:43:36] <geotti> is that a quote from party anymal?
[06:43:39] <arti> you're just mad my phone is made with slavery
[06:43:49] <Ethanol-fueled> arti, yours and errybody else's/
[06:43:51] <geotti> s/y/i/2/
[06:43:56] <geotti> s/y/i/2
[06:43:59] <geotti> meh
[06:44:07] <crutchy> i had a virus that infected my delphi programs once. for some reason it only affected computers with delphi installed on them. i think it was some kinda laboratory virus or summin
[06:44:14] <arti> another cool think about ios devices is you can update them
[06:44:28] <arti> cool thinks guys
[06:44:29] <crutchy> you can also bake them in cakes
[06:44:37] <geotti> crutchy: it probably needed the delphi runtime
[06:44:38] <arti> crutchy, and microwave them for recharging!
[06:45:03] <arti> crutchy, did you get it via a language update/service pack?
[06:45:37] * arti encountered something similar
[06:45:38] * geotti really likes his idevices, as long as he can jailbreak them
[06:45:44] <Ethanol-fueled> arti, I doubt it...he probably downloaded it from SourceForce.
[06:45:48] <crutchy> i dunno. was pretty easy to get rid of though, and it was readily picked up by virus scanners
[06:45:48] <Ethanol-fueled> SourceForge
[06:46:01] <arti> well duh, disable it to run it for great justice.
[06:46:21] <geotti> for_great_justice++
[06:46:21] <Bender> karma - for_great_justice: 2
[06:46:26] <crutchy> hah. i don't use anything from sourceforge. that site is as bad as cnet
[06:46:37] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, it is NOW.
[06:46:40] <Ethanol-fueled> For some odd reason.
[06:46:56] <geotti> lots of projects didn't move to another place
[06:47:07] <geotti> and i still don't get how you get malware from there
[06:47:10] <crutchy> github++ # till they fuck it up too
[06:47:10] <Bender> karma - github: 2
[06:47:37] <arti> "you have chosen poorly" should play when trust is misplaced.
[06:47:50] <arti> bitbucket > github
[06:47:54] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahah arti, I loved that scene
[06:47:58] <Ethanol-fueled> "he chose poorly."
[06:48:15] <geotti> you know how to use irc, how the hell do you end up with <bad>ware
[06:48:16] <crutchy> i haven't used bitbucket, but i like atlassian software
[06:48:18] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[06:48:19] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03He chose... poorly - YouTube
[06:48:32] <geotti> atlassian-- #for being greedy basterds
[06:48:33] <Bender> karma - atlassian: 0
[06:48:44] <arti> crutchy, have an email? it's free, i can get more users :D
[06:48:46] <crutchy> sourcetree++
[06:48:46] <Bender> karma - sourcetree: 3
[06:48:52] <arti> sourcetree++
[06:48:52] <Bender> karma - sourcetree: 4
[06:49:07] <arti> amazing piece of software
[06:49:19] <geotti> ~define sourcetree
[06:49:27] <arti> you wouldn't like it
[06:49:32] <crutchy> git for dummies :d
[06:49:33] <exec> sourcetree: unable to find definition
[06:49:33] <geotti> what's up with exec today
[06:49:45] <crutchy> wifey is watching youtube
[06:50:02] <arti> you should figure out how to slip frames into her streams
[06:50:04] <geotti> youtube--
[06:50:04] <Bender> karma - youtube: -10
[06:50:07] <arti> do some tyler durden stuff
[06:50:08] <Ethanol-fueled> haha arti
[06:50:15] <geotti> heh
[06:50:17] <crutchy> youtube is like the fat kid at school that eats everyone else's lunch
[06:50:29] <arti> i believe that's netflix in the US
[06:50:35] <arti> fuck i wish i bought stock in them
[06:50:47] <Ethanol-fueled> arti, the stock market is rigged manipulated bullshit.
[06:50:55] <arti> and so is bitcoin
[06:51:01] <arti> fire isn't to be trusted yet we use that shit
[06:51:23] <Ethanol-fueled> getting rich quick works only when you're already rich.
[06:51:35] <arti> the first billion is the hardest
[06:51:37] <crutchy> fire is awesome. at least its backed by unlimited supply of fuel :d
[06:51:42] <Ethanol-fueled> It's gambling at best and economic voodoo at worst.
[06:51:42] <geotti> rich is not a function of wealth
[06:52:07] <crutchy> everyone thought they were rich during the housing bubble
[06:52:14] * arti loved that period
[06:52:21] <arti> worked for a company that serviced realtors
[06:52:27] <arti> the christmas parties were epic
[06:52:40] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, a few of my friends got fucked when everything went south.
[06:52:44] <geotti> arti tell us about it
[06:52:45] <arti> there were like 2 pizzas. 2 pizzas man
[06:52:53] <arti> curved swords!
[06:52:54] <Ethanol-fueled> You back out of buying a house and that's an instant -100 points on your credit report.
[06:53:19] <Konomi> http://www.theverge.com
[06:53:20] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03This concept turns old phone parts into a supercomputer | The Verge
[06:53:24] <Ethanol-fueled> Fuck home ownership....it's for the birds.
[06:53:46] <arti> yeah, putting down roots is for suckers!
[06:53:49] <crutchy> arti, when i did vacation work for the australian civil aviation safety authority, the christmas junket was in a fancy hotel and was like a friggin banquet
[06:53:56] <Ethanol-fueled> It made sense in the fifties, but not now, In America....unless you want to live in Detroit.
[06:54:03] <Konomi> modular hardware would be awesome if it ever took off ;_;
[06:54:09] <crutchy> Ethanol-fueled, paying off a home is the best investment
[06:54:12] <hal9001> Pretty shitty. I inherited a home. Making sure it stays in the family forever.
[06:54:16] <arti> modular hardware for what
[06:54:21] <arti> zee germans?
[06:54:33] <Konomi> PCs for what zee germans!
[06:54:54] * geotti ducks
[06:54:55] <crutchy> what's to stop it blowing your bollocks off every time you sit down?
[06:54:58] * arti quacks
[06:55:08] <arti> it was two minutes, 5 minutes ago
[06:55:42] <crutchy> its a fucking anti aircraft gun vincent!
[06:55:43] <geotti> crutchy: owning an island is better : )
[06:56:02] <arti> the trick is to get one large enough you can raise cattle on
[06:56:03] <crutchy> heh. i dunno. islands can be invaded too
[06:56:13] <arti> get a couple mantis systems
[06:56:19] <crutchy> i pity any poor fuckers that decide to invade straya
[06:56:32] <arti> level 1: the beach
[06:56:44] <crutchy> level 2: a million miles of nothing
[06:56:44] <Ethanol-fueled> what are you going to do, crutchy, slap them on the back and buy them a beer?
[06:57:02] <Ethanol-fueled> You aussies aren't bloodthirsty savages like Americans are.
[06:57:04] <arti> the prize: bennies
[06:57:05] <geotti> ~define straya
[06:57:07] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3Straya: Abbreviation of Australia. Pronounced as one syllable. Aussies tend to tilt their head to the side as they say it, unlike Canadians who shrug their shoulders when they say "Canada"
[06:57:20] <crutchy> nah we have the ultimate moat, followed by the biggest maze in the world. that's full of booby traps
[06:57:34] <arti> is that what killed the booby?
[06:57:45] <crutchy> marriage certificate did that :d
[06:57:53] <arti> crutchy++
[06:57:53] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 125
[06:57:54] <Ethanol-fueled> aussies are the friendliest people I've met.
[06:58:07] <arti> you keep misspelling drunk
[06:58:11] <Ethanol-fueled> Makes me wanna move there.
[06:58:14] <crutchy> xxxx
[06:58:32] <crutchy> i don't drink that shit
[06:58:53] <crutchy> Ethanol-fueled, we can be cunts too
[06:58:59] <Ethanol-fueled> bullshit, crutchy.
[06:59:10] <Ethanol-fueled> tell us, o please enlighten us, how you can be.
[06:59:17] <Konomi> still not sure where the friendlist stuff came from
[06:59:28] <crutchy> we shoot at your rickety old boats full of kids :D
[06:59:36] <Konomi> tourists must'nt hit flinders street much at 10pm
[06:59:39] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, those boats deserve to be shot at.
[06:59:51] <crutchy> i actually don't think our navy has ever done that
[06:59:52] <arti> konomi: maybe friendly in Ethanol-fueled lingo
[07:00:03] <Konomi> you have a point there
[07:00:17] <Ethanol-fueled> From an American's perspective, Aussies who visit here are personally very friendly and talkative.
[07:00:25] <arti> same with the NZ chaps
[07:00:40] <crutchy> that's just cos we're scared of what your government might do to us
[07:00:45] <Ethanol-fueled> I've met a few in different situations personal and professional and they've always been cool, salt-of-the-earth people
[07:00:54] <Ethanol-fueled> Now, the Brits on the other hand...
[07:00:57] <arti> you're alright, the freedom stuff only happens if you race riot
[07:01:06] * geotti just met a greek guy that went to australia
[07:01:08] <arti> love the great white lives matters
[07:01:18] <geotti> and crutchy
[07:01:25] <geotti> and I must say... both friendly ;)
[07:01:37] <crutchy> i'm a grumpy old fart
[07:01:38] <arti> did you discuss tzatziki
[07:01:45] <arti> or the secrets of gyros
[07:01:47] <geotti> hey, you spelled it right
[07:01:52] <crutchy> well, a 32yo grumpy old fart :d
[07:02:02] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, I am older than you by a year.
[07:02:18] <arti> so, yours is bigger?
[07:02:26] <Konomi> shall I get the ruler?
[07:02:31] <Ethanol-fueled> arti, I don't know, crutchy hasn't posted a nude pic yet.
[07:02:34] <arti> LET THE RECORD STATE...
[07:02:37] <Ethanol-fueled> Come to think of it, none of you have.
[07:02:40] <arti> sure he has, just not of himself.
[07:02:46] * crutchy concerned about Konomi's intentions
[07:02:49] <Ethanol-fueled> But there are growers, and there are showers.
[07:02:57] <Konomi> mesure twice cut once
[07:02:58] <crutchy> you know what they say about aussie chicks
[07:03:07] <crutchy> actually i have nfi
[07:03:10] <arti> konomi is a rabbi
[07:03:22] <geotti> spooky
[07:03:24] * Konomi looks for carrots?
[07:03:29] <Ethanol-fueled> what is NFI?
[07:03:33] <Konomi> no fucking idea
[07:03:34] <geotti> ~define nfi
[07:03:35] <arti> no farking idea
[07:03:36] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3nfi: No Fucking Idea
[07:03:40] * Ethanol-fueled has a carrot, aka uncircumsized
[07:03:44] <Konomi> UD being useful for once
[07:03:48] <crutchy> and pointy
[07:03:48] <geotti> please
[07:03:55] <arti> ~define felching
[07:03:57] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3felching: The act of sucking semen from any human orafice, eg. anus, vagina, it can be done with a drinking straw when semen is deep inside the rectum.
[07:04:01] * arti laughs
[07:04:03] <crutchy> o.0
[07:04:04] * Ethanol-fueled hurls
[07:04:12] <swiss> ^
[07:04:18] <arti> hardcore!
[07:04:33] <arti> that should be the sanfran greeting
[07:04:35] <Konomi> could've went on living my whole life without knowing that defintion arti.
[07:04:36] * geotti goes to check if there are any good movies to stream
[07:04:45] * arti wipes away tears
[07:04:57] <crutchy> i guess you can always do something without knowing what its called
[07:05:02] <Ethanol-fueled> hahah arti, that's the truth.
[07:05:09] <Ethanol-fueled> Goddamn San Franers
[07:05:13] <arti> dude!
[07:05:18] <arti> have you seel fulsom street fair?
[07:05:26] <Ethanol-fueled> No, and I don't wanna.
[07:05:29] <arti> oh dude
[07:05:38] <arti> it's awesome seeing the police keep their distance
[07:05:41] <Ethanol-fueled> The pride parade here is bad enough. Felt like a Judas Priest tour.
[07:05:43] <swiss> a friend wanted me to come up for folsom
[07:05:45] <arti> dude.
[07:05:49] <swiss> was debatin it
[07:05:55] <swiss> folsom isn't just about gays
[07:06:01] <crutchy> isn't folsam a prison or ssummin?
[07:06:04] <swiss> it's about basically all sexual deviants iirc
[07:06:09] <arti> no, it's just 90%
[07:06:22] <Konomi> swiss: that's why I don't go to "pride parades" >.>
[07:06:36] <arti> yeah, white pride ones are shunned.
[07:06:43] <geotti> st. vincent worth it?
[07:06:46] <crutchy> i don't get gay parades
[07:07:03] <swiss> my uncle was in SFO recently, and wanted to rent a vespa
[07:07:09] <Konomi> crutchy: they're to bring attention to gay issuses basically I still dislike them though
[07:07:22] <swiss> turned out everywhere was out of them, cause there was a gay street parade goin on
[07:07:24] <Konomi> cause they also give the idea that everyone who is gay is some overtly sexual person that wants to dance on a float
[07:07:27] <geotti> crutchy: the one in berlin is pretty fun
[07:07:38] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, konomi, gays have been repressed for a number of reasons. Now that they're allowed to express themselves, they express themselves big.
[07:07:40] <crutchy> if you wanna be treated the same, why bring attention to what makes you different?
[07:07:53] <Konomi> crutchy: pretty much wonder that myself ;p
[07:07:54] <crutchy> same as race
[07:08:05] <Ethanol-fueled> If they had a parade dedicated to Linux, you all would dance on the floats.
[07:08:09] <Konomi> it was mostly because 20-50 years ago parades were the only way
[07:08:11] <Ethanol-fueled> You all would wear the leather.
[07:08:19] <Ethanol-fueled> With masks that have zippers for mouths.
[07:08:30] <geotti> i'd wear horns and a trident to that parade, Ethanol-fueled
[07:08:32] <crutchy> i practice my perversions in private, with you lot :d
[07:08:48] <arti> nsfw (blurred) https://www.flickr.com
[07:08:51] <Konomi> I'm not involved in any of your weirdness thank you
[07:08:55] <Konomi> I have my own weird for that ;p
[07:09:03] <arti> you should be good with that link
[07:09:12] <Ethanol-fueled> I enjoy sharing my perversions with you all...but my girlfriend wouldn't.
[07:09:13] <arti> i found others, up your alley
[07:09:16] <crutchy> this is all one big nerdgasm goin on right here
[07:09:22] <Konomi> mise well call them leather parades
[07:09:33] <arti> because they get too much sun and drink a lot?
[07:09:45] <arti> captcha: flapjacks
[07:09:49] <crutchy> the climax occurs when ciri pipes up
[07:09:50] <crutchy> 3
[07:09:51] <ciri> 4
[07:09:52] <ciri> 5
[07:09:54] <ciri> 6
[07:09:55] <arti> 7
[07:09:56] <ciri> 7
[07:09:57] <arti> 8
[07:09:58] <ciri> 8
[07:09:59] <arti> 9
[07:10:00] <Ethanol-fueled> I'd attend fulsom
[07:10:00] <ciri> 9
[07:10:02] <ciri> 10!
[07:10:11] <crutchy> oh yeah!
[07:10:19] <arti> dude, i'd laugh my ass off there
[07:10:32] <arti> bonus if you'd wear some assless chaps
[07:10:40] <crutchy> you could break out your extended in public Ethanol-fueled
[07:10:41] <Ethanol-fueled> I'd party with them. Problem is that some people mistake friendliness for sexual attraction.
[07:10:50] <arti> that's what punching is for!
[07:10:53] <crutchy> s/ded/der/
[07:10:56] <geotti> hm
[07:10:59] <Konomi> s/some/most/
[07:11:05] <arti> "what, did i fist you wrong?"
[07:11:12] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, now that I have a girlfriend, she made me buy another one just for her (that wasn't used for other women)...so, the only one the local shop had was BLACK colored.
[07:11:17] <Ethanol-fueled> She nicknamed it "cinnamon"
[07:11:25] * arti would've picked skittles
[07:11:35] <crutchy> they always name them
[07:11:39] <crutchy> *them*
[07:11:40] * geotti finds mixed parties best
[07:11:49] <arti> sounds very pc
[07:12:15] <crutchy> ~openthepodbaydoors
[07:12:16] <exec> I brought my BOWLING BALL -- and some DRUGS!!
[07:12:19] <Ethanol-fueled> arti, she comes from a family of lawyers and has degrees in sociology and criminal justice...she considers slurs a liability.
[07:12:33] <Konomi> okay then
[07:12:43] <Ethanol-fueled> I did admit to her that I wrote a lot of extremely trashy satire, and she's cool with it/
[07:13:04] <arti> sounds crazy
[07:13:09] <arti> sociology LOL
[07:13:21] <Ethanol-fueled> arti, she knows math at a calc III level..more than I do :(
[07:13:40] <crutchy> i learnt maths. then i forgot it
[07:13:41] <arti> so how did you trick her into meeting you?
[07:13:49] <Ethanol-fueled> OK Cupid.
[07:14:03] <arti> i really hate when you discover the other 9 segments of their torso
[07:14:17] <geotti> 9?
[07:14:22] <Ethanol-fueled> arti, I don't give a fucc -- iss all pank on the inside.
[07:14:34] <Ethanol-fueled> But being with somebody you can STAND helps.
[07:14:47] <arti> "how come you're always drunk when we meet?"
[07:14:54] <crutchy> best not to marry the chick that you just wanna fuck
[07:15:02] <geotti> crutchy: amen
[07:15:07] <arti> what are those words after marry
[07:15:28] <crutchy> divorce?
[07:15:28] <geotti> aw, arti, you're missing out
[07:15:30] <Ethanol-fueled> She made jokes about dead babies and making out to Schindler's list, so I think I can further corrupt her.
[07:15:31] <arti> http://img.pr0gramm.com
[07:15:39] <arti> awesome knock out
[07:16:09] <arti> slurs are a liability, let's watch a movie with lots of them!
[07:16:26] <geotti> ouch
[07:16:36] <geotti> any recommendations?
[07:16:36] <Konomi> saying them is different to watching them ;p
[07:16:50] <arti> geotti, i have plenty of married friends. last week's theme: the case of the missing nookie
[07:17:25] <geotti> arti: kids?
[07:17:32] <arti> yeah 2 each.
[07:17:36] <geotti> that makes up for it
[07:17:37] <crutchy> arti, nookie with the missus is worth it though
[07:17:43] <geotti> true
[07:17:48] <arti> then i see his brother, DINK
[07:17:56] <geotti> ~define DINK
[07:18:03] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3dink: Dual Income No Kids
[07:18:04] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, agreed. there's no mating dance, just spit on it and stick it.
[07:18:05] <crutchy> dink smallwood?
[07:18:12] <arti> crutchy, well when you're swimming in it, life is good. when you're without it, life sucks.
[07:18:14] <crutchy> Ethanol-fueled, lol
[07:18:40] <crutchy> arti, nah. you get to the point where sex is just the icing on a nice cake
[07:18:46] <arti> oh well, i'm glad you've met someone awesome
[07:18:49] <crutchy> well, some times
[07:18:53] <geotti> tantric_sex++
[07:18:53] <Bender> karma - tantric_sex: 1
[07:18:55] <arti> people are complicated.
[07:18:56] <crutchy> marriage is hard work
[07:19:02] <geotti> marriage++
[07:19:02] <Bender> karma - marriage: 1
[07:19:06] <arti> totally, plus you've got lots of laws that protect you as a man!
[07:19:12] <crutchy> lol
[07:19:20] <Ethanol-fueled> haha arti, good point. 'specially in America
[07:19:27] <arti> you'd be crazy to do it here imo
[07:19:49] <geotti> there's a law in germany that imposes regular intercourse on a married couple
[07:19:56] <geotti> overregulation++
[07:19:56] <Bender> karma - overregulation: 1
[07:19:59] <crutchy> here if you get together with a chick for more than 6 months, she owns half of you regardless of marriage certificate
[07:20:12] <arti> geotti, fair trade for alimony.
[07:20:15] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, I think its two years here....and depending on the state.
[07:20:24] <swiss> DINK sounds awesome
[07:20:33] <swiss> too bad my girlfriend will never make more than 30-40k :(
[07:20:47] <Ethanol-fueled> swiss, I don't give a shit about money.
[07:20:52] <arti> crutchy: businesses deal with this here for maintaining emails, their solution: purge prior to limit
[07:21:06] <arti> swiss, DINK is indeed awesome to say and live.
[07:21:08] <swiss> Ethanol-fueled: money doesn't factor in with me, but it's damn nice to have
[07:21:51] <crutchy> i don't really care much about money
[07:21:58] <crutchy> as long as the bills get paid
[07:21:58] <arti> yes you do
[07:21:59] <Ethanol-fueled> agreed, swiss. But the second you two get in a money-related argument, no matter how stupid, it tends to make things awkward forever.
[07:22:01] <arti> you won't even buy a domain name
[07:22:04] <geotti> right
[07:22:10] <arti> your ass is so tight you could make diamonds
[07:22:24] <swiss> Ethanol-fueled: more income = less arguments
[07:22:24] <geotti> i wish
[07:22:37] <arti> pfffft
[07:22:47] <crutchy> arti, you're right. i'm financially conservative
[07:23:03] <arti> such a nice way of putting it.
[07:23:06] <Ethanol-fueled> arti, Ive been poor for so goddamn long, at times having eaten out of trash cans and living out of my car, that having even a mediocre job that pays enough for steak every Saturday is luxury.
[07:23:08] <swiss> "frugal"
[07:23:20] <swiss> or what is more widely known as "being a cheapass"
[07:23:31] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, swiss - not "frugal," but J*****
[07:23:36] <arti> yes.
[07:23:44] <geotti> dude..
[07:23:49] <arti> ~define j*****
[07:24:02] <arti> i think we have a new submission!
[07:24:04] <exec> j*****: unable to find definition
[07:24:05] <crutchy> i'd rather spend money on my kids
[07:24:08] <Ethanol-fueled> JEWISH
[07:24:19] <crutchy> my wife spends heaps of money
[07:24:20] <arti> too bad the stars aren't 6 sided
[07:24:24] <geotti> stereotypes--
[07:24:24] <Bender> karma - stereotypes: 0
[07:24:27] <swiss> Ethanol-fueled: i have had much worse jobs, and i paid my tuition + living expenses on a $10/hour job before now, but I do appreciate being able to buy a couch that's comfy, and have speakers that don't suck as
[07:24:30] <crutchy> if i was frugal i dunno if i'd allow that
[07:24:31] <swiss> ass
[07:24:40] <Ethanol-fueled> Hell yeah swiss.
[07:25:05] <crutchy> i just don't spend a lot of money personally
[07:25:10] <swiss> so I can really appreciate having money, and if the girlfriend made more, that'd be even more baller. But that's not the way life worked
[07:25:11] <arti> because your wife does :P
[07:25:14] <swiss> crutchy: i wish i could say that :(
[07:25:33] <arti> anyway there are a million things you could be doing worse
[07:25:35] <swiss> i keep myself away from debt, but I don't do more savings than my 401k and IRA really right now
[07:25:38] <geotti> arti: the more she spends the better the sex
[07:25:41] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, what good is hoarding monies? You retire, and then you die a day after you retire leaving you unable to enjoy the monies?
[07:26:02] <swiss> Ethanol-fueled: then a loved one can enjoy your monies
[07:26:02] <Ethanol-fueled> swiss, that's exactly my situation as well.
[07:26:03] <arti> idk, i'd shit if someone bought a car
[07:26:04] <crutchy> Ethanol-fueled, i don't care much for hoarding monies
[07:26:09] <crutchy> my missus spends it
[07:26:24] <geotti> crutchy++
[07:26:24] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 126
[07:26:27] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, my girlfriend makes way more than I do.
[07:26:36] <Ethanol-fueled> I still take her out for dinner every weekend.
[07:26:46] <arti> yeah man, taco tuesday
[07:26:52] <Ethanol-fueled> haha arti, \
[07:27:07] <geotti> arti's on fire
[07:27:15] <crutchy> mmm tacos
[07:27:35] <crutchy> i tried some chicken tacos
[07:27:39] <crutchy> pretty good too
[07:27:53] <crutchy> usually have beef
[07:27:53] <geotti> nachos++
[07:27:53] <Bender> karma - nachos: 6
[07:28:00] <geotti> meat--
[07:28:00] <Bender> karma - meat: 9
[07:28:15] <geotti> any movie recommendations
[07:28:16] <arti> crutchy, blackened?
[07:28:23] <crutchy> arti, yeah
[07:28:23] <geotti> sci-fi or high-fantasy preferred
[07:28:24] <Ethanol-fueled> geotti, how about Spun?
[07:28:25] <arti> geotti, seen the hobbit edit?
[07:28:30] <crutchy> crispy'ish
[07:28:36] <arti> crutchy, had those for the first time this last year, ridiculous
[07:28:40] <swiss> geotti: i saw starred up the other day
[07:28:41] <Ethanol-fueled> geotti, how about Gay N****** from Outer Space?
[07:28:42] <crutchy> dammit now i'm hungry
[07:28:44] <swiss> it was actually pretty good
[07:28:48] <geotti> arti: which one?
[07:28:59] <arti> techno something edit, like 6gigs?
[07:29:12] <geotti> arti: like comedy edit?
[07:29:12] <Konomi> https://nullset.bandcamp.com
[07:29:13] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03CONSUME | nullse†
[07:29:19] <arti> uno, i'll link ya mate
[07:29:23] <Konomi> liking some of the tracks on this album
[07:29:23] <crutchy> hahaha. band camp
[07:29:30] <Ethanol-fueled> geotti, how about Johnny Mnemonic?
[07:29:31] <arti> http://imgur.com
[07:29:32] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Hobbit fan, TolkienEditor, cuts The Hobbit trilogy into a single, 4-hour movie. (links in description) - Imgur
[07:29:35] <crutchy> american_pie++
[07:29:35] <Bender> karma - american_pie: 1
[07:29:47] <arti> mega link @ the bottom
[07:29:52] <Ethanol-fueled> come on, crutchy, that movie was mediocre American trash.
[07:29:55] <geotti> deep shit, Konomi
[07:30:04] <crutchy> it was, but i laughed
[07:30:12] <arti> did you know sean william scott was a raging introvert?
[07:30:20] <Konomi> never heard of a genre called "witchwave" before...
[07:30:22] <crutchy> stiffler++
[07:30:22] <Bender> karma - stiffler: 1
[07:30:24] <swiss> geotti: Starred Up was good, especially if you liked the "Oz" tv show
[07:30:28] <arti> didn't have a gf until 30
[07:30:40] <arti> super shy guy
[07:30:49] <Ethanol-fueled> Konomi, those sawtooths hurt.
[07:30:57] <crutchy> i waited till i finished uni. 25 or so
[07:31:06] * Konomi thinks
[07:31:06] <arti> smart man
[07:31:10] <Konomi> 21 for me I think
[07:31:11] <crutchy> uni was fucking depressing
[07:31:12] <arti> distractions bruh
[07:31:44] <Ethanol-fueled> doze distractions doe
[07:31:57] <arti> indeed.
[07:31:58] <geotti> swiss: didn't see Oz
[07:32:07] <Ethanol-fueled> I did the opposite. chased tail and neglected my studies. took me 10 years of community college before I got my A.S.
[07:32:13] <crutchy> anyone seen the movie 'debug'?
[07:32:18] <Konomi> nope
[07:32:22] <geotti> arti: just watched battle of the five armies yesterday with my wife, but i'll keep this in mind
[07:32:42] <arti> i haven't seen it, heard not so great things about it and the reviews kinda sunk it for me
[07:32:42] <Konomi> though watching a movie called debug
[07:32:50] <swiss> geotti: think "rough prison life"
[07:32:52] <Konomi> sorta feels like being a taxi driver and watching a movie about taxis
[07:32:54] <arti> geotti, you seen Dark City?
[07:32:55] <crutchy> geotti, if you're looking for a good movie, check out Kokoda
[07:33:20] <arti> geotti: http://www.imdb.com
[07:33:22] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Dark City (1998) - IMDb
[07:33:25] <crutchy> Konomi, you would be swearing at the tv before the movie finished
[07:33:31] <Konomi> dark city is a cult classic ~
[07:33:39] <swiss> Ethanol-fueled: ah, i dropped out of college
[07:33:41] <arti> it's awesome
[07:33:51] <swiss> dropping_out++
[07:33:51] <Bender> karma - dropping_out: 1
[07:33:52] <arti> swiss: it's not what you know, it's who.
[07:33:57] <crutchy> is that the one about the dude chased by alien mobsters?
[07:33:59] <Ethanol-fueled> agreed, arti
[07:34:03] <Ethanol-fueled> arti++
[07:34:03] <Bender> karma - arti: 67
[07:34:05] <arti> you have the right network, fuck resumes
[07:34:10] <swiss> arti: in my case it was "It's what you know, that they can't teach"
[07:34:24] <swiss> I got picked out of a competition
[07:34:29] <crutchy> in my case it was 'rock up and lleet em know you're interested'
[07:34:30] <swiss> my second year
[07:34:34] <geotti> swiss: trailer looks interesting
[07:34:34] <crutchy> lleet?
[07:34:45] <arti> ultimately getting an education is important, once you get some experience it's less so. but getting your foot in the door is more of a challenge.
[07:35:11] <swiss> geotti: if you like the trailer, you'll prob like the movie. I found it interesting, though I found their "Lets talk about faults in the prison system" stupid (but they were a very small part of the movie)
[07:35:16] <crutchy> if you wanna be a gingerbeer a degree is kinda prerequisite
[07:35:16] <Ethanol-fueled> arti, I like to think of it between experience, education, and connections all working together.
[07:35:26] <arti> indeed, and college is a great place to forge those
[07:35:40] <crutchy> true
[07:35:45] <crutchy> plenty of shitty graduates
[07:35:48] <swiss> arti: college was a great learning experience for me. I didn't learn much in my classes, but i learned tons from my peers, and a lot about how other people think and work
[07:35:52] <Ethanol-fueled> I have to thank the Air Force for my practical skills.
[07:35:57] <arti> oh i've met plenty of bozo grads
[07:36:04] <arti> if anything it should encourage you
[07:36:25] <swiss> bozo grads are what made me stop focusing on getting A's and start focusing on learning what interested me
[07:36:38] <arti> there are plenty of folks out there who have done a job and mistake the years they've done it as years of experience
[07:36:38] <geotti> crutchy: hmm WW2, will put that on the list of war movies to watch ;)
[07:36:40] <Ethanol-fueled> Ugh swiss, bozo grads.
[07:36:45] <arti> it's not 5 years of that, more like 4 months repeated.
[07:37:00] <geotti> arti: dark city is something i have to watch with my wife, she likes mindfucks
[07:37:01] <Ethanol-fueled> the Second Lieutanants of professional industry.
[07:37:13] <crutchy> geotti, not for the weak stomached that one
[07:37:20] <arti> geotti, dude watch that. it's excellent and we can make tuning references :D
[07:37:23] <crutchy> (Kokoda)
[07:37:23] <swiss> i was in an electrical engineering position in my second year of school
[07:37:39] <arti> from some of the EEs i've met, psychological issues AHOY
[07:37:50] <crutchy> shock therapy
[07:38:03] <arti> soft skills are so important in life
[07:38:07] <crutchy> they get a buzz from it
[07:38:14] <Ethanol-fueled> When people get into engineering wtihout any practical experience, they're in for a big disappointment.
[07:38:23] <swiss> having a solid groundwork in softskills is very important
[07:38:26] <arti> i still have mountains to climb with my people skills
[07:38:41] <crutchy> engineering is about stopping people from getting sued
[07:38:45] <arti> as soon as you reach the peak, the next summit is visible.
[07:38:49] <swiss> however, focusing most of your efforts at improving your soft skills moves you into a pretty useless place in your life
[07:38:49] <Ethanol-fueled> I like to say it's like being Picasso and only being allowed to paint with 2 colors, on a tiny canvas, and being allowed 2 days to finish each painting.
[07:39:20] <arti> swiss, it's part of it. there is lots of meta stuff, just like coding
[07:39:37] <arti> working with people is the most difficult thing
[07:39:39] <crutchy> swiss, that's why i ignore frameworks. they seem to have a short shelf life
[07:39:50] <Ethanol-fueled> arti, that's because people suck.
[07:39:52] <arti> the sheer laziness and intellectual dishonesty is astounding.
[07:40:01] <crutchy> arti, people are cunts
[07:40:06] <Ethanol-fueled> arti, dealing with people is just a tolerance of bullshit.
[07:40:09] <swiss> I am fairly good at working with people
[07:40:15] <swiss> the only thing i suck ass at is long term projects
[07:40:20] <arti> cool, i'd totally wouldn't mind being a traffic gestapo
[07:40:23] <swiss> and for me, long term is anything that takes more than a week
[07:40:30] <Ethanol-fueled> the more bullshit and dishonesty you can tolerate, the better you can work with people.
[07:40:39] <crutchy> my brother told me that when he was reeeally drunk once. most insightful thing i ever heard from him
[07:40:41] <arti> yeah i've found GABA to be really helpful
[07:40:46] <geotti> arti: is that like the donnie darko sequel?
[07:40:55] <arti> dark city?
[07:40:57] <geotti> yeah
[07:41:06] <arti> look closely at the year it came out
[07:41:09] <swiss> my boss works on it with me, cause if I could do long term projects, it'd be super helpful for our team
[07:41:20] <swiss> but right now i'm mostly there for the "This needs to be done yesterday" projects
[07:41:22] <geotti> oh
[07:41:26] <arti> :D
[07:41:37] <crutchy> we have this channel that plays a lot of foreign movies. some of them are really interesting
[07:41:50] <arti> swiss, plenty of work to be done that way. it's when it's regular firedrills that you should worry about management
[07:42:01] <arti> also, if you dig foreign movies scope out Arn
[07:42:08] <arti> they speak like 4 languages in that
[07:42:09] <Konomi> SBS
[07:42:16] <arti> Super Big Sausages
[07:42:17] <Konomi> also known as the channel that played the boob ninjas
[07:42:21] <Konomi> that movie was so damn weird
[07:42:29] <crutchy> foreign movies are usually much more open about things like sex
[07:42:30] <arti> doesn't sound very good
[07:42:41] <arti> crutchy, it's because we live in backwards societies
[07:42:42] <crutchy> they don't make it into some rediculous climax
[07:42:50] <crutchy> yeah
[07:42:56] <Ethanol-fueled> agreed, crutchy
[07:42:56] <arti> NO NIPPLES! SHOW THE HEAD BEING SEVERED!
[07:42:58] <Konomi> nsfw so ignore my next line if you're so inclined
[07:42:58] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy++
[07:42:58] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 127
[07:43:39] <arti> i know how we can ruin karma!
[07:43:39] <Konomi> crutchy: this movie had a girl "ninja" getting I guess raped by a "guy" ninja who's dick grew to attacki her but then she made it blow up like a balloon and pop.
[07:43:44] <arti> turn it into a currency
[07:43:47] <Konomi> I am not even joking...
[07:43:48] <crutchy> lol
[07:44:02] <crutchy> isn't that pretty much all hentai?
[07:44:04] <arti> knomi, is this the one where the dude spins around and stuff?
[07:44:07] <arti> total comedy movie?
[07:44:13] <swiss> i think i'm gonna start the wire tonight
[07:44:19] <arti> wirefu + "adult scenes"
[07:44:21] <swiss> the tv show named "The Wire" that is
[07:44:30] <Konomi> arti: no but she kills another guy by drowning him with her breast milk...
[07:44:34] <crutchy> arti, check out 'fat pizza'
[07:44:41] <Konomi> so like wtf am I watching
[07:44:44] <Konomi> and as far as comedy
[07:44:50] <crutchy> actually Ethanol-fueled you'd prolly like fat pizza
[07:44:56] <Konomi> "can't tell if being funny or stupid"
[07:45:02] <geotti> i think i saw dark city a while ago, actually... will watch it with my wife. thx arti
[07:45:13] <geotti> trailer seems suspiciously familiar
[07:45:30] <arti> indeed, it gets better each time you watch it
[07:46:00] <arti> lol Going Down Under
[07:46:02] <ciri> now that is funny
[07:46:05] <arti> Australian Pie
[07:46:12] <arti> reeks of cheeze
[07:46:41] <Ethanol-fueled> Konomi, are these scenes you're describing animated?
[07:46:47] <crutchy> Konomi, a movie from SBS that i remember was one about a boy and his sister running away from home and seeking shelter with this old couple. the old guy locked them up and forced the boy to have sex with his fat wife. they escaped not long after. most of the movie was about them running. prolly boring by michael bay standard, but really interesting. i think it was russian
[07:46:47] <Ethanol-fueled> as in, Anime?
[07:47:44] <Konomi> no they were live action
[07:47:49] <crutchy> french films are usually pretty good too
[07:48:45] <crutchy> Ethanol-fueled, https://www.youtube.com
[07:48:45] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Fat Pizza - McDoggle Fight - YouTube
[07:49:02] <Konomi> can't watch fat pizza
[07:49:18] <arti> well, my search history has lots of kung fu and porn references
[07:49:24] <arti> i can't find the clip from what i'm thinking of
[07:49:30] <Konomi> my mind just screams "Interllectual capacity breached!"
[07:49:36] <arti> its something i come across every few years on an image site
[07:50:33] <crutchy> so stupid i love it
[07:50:43] <Konomi> that scene is pretty good I admit
[07:50:57] <crutchy> its fkin mcretarded
[07:52:24] <Ethanol-fueled> HAHHAHAAHAHAH
[07:52:30] <Ethanol-fueled> Man, that's fucking awesome.
[07:52:37] <Ethanol-fueled> Where do you guys find this shit?
[07:52:38] <ciri> out and about!! Ethanol-fueled
[07:54:27] <geotti> ella re malaka!
[07:54:44] <arti> that movie is so bad
[07:55:33] <arti> ella re malaka wtf does that translate to "the fuck did you do to my car?"
[07:55:34] <geotti> na, re malaka!
[07:55:47] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[07:55:48] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Fat Pizza S04E06 - Waitress Pizza - YouTube
[07:55:54] <geotti> ella = come one, re is just re and malaka is wanker
[07:56:08] <arti> good to know, thanks
[07:56:24] <geotti> re is actually 're from more = kid
[07:56:26] <arti> i still think it's awesome you guys have Hungry Jacks
[07:56:35] <arti> i absolutely love that name
[07:56:45] <geotti> hungry jackss?
[07:57:18] <geotti> https://www.youtube.com
[07:57:18] <arti> yeah, also http://www.imdb.com
[07:57:19] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Hub's Gyros - Saturday Night Live - YouTube
[07:57:20] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Arn: Tempelriddaren (2007) - IMDb
[07:57:43] <geotti> for the ones that didn't know hub's gyros
[07:57:49] <geotti> you lika de juice?
[07:59:05] <geotti> crutchy: a really good french-ish movie is http://www.imdb.com
[07:59:07] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Crime Spree (2003) - IMDb
[07:59:39] <geotti> I've seen arn, I think, but in a stupid german dubbed version
[08:00:01] <geotti> ('cause you sheeple are too dumb to read subtitles)
[08:00:19] <arti> eek
[08:00:43] <geotti> they also change the titles here...
[08:00:48] <geotti> s/change/translate/
[08:00:48] <SedNotABot> <geotti> they also translate the titles here...
[08:00:49] <chromas> reading movies
[08:01:09] <arti> also known as ANIMU
[08:01:11] <geotti> better read than get lost in translation
[08:01:18] <arti> lipp my stocking
[08:03:45] <geotti> arti: ok, so dark city's officially on my our watch list, will be able to make tuning references soon
[08:04:15] <geotti> disregard the cognitive dissonance
[08:04:41] <arti> it's nearly all at night
[08:04:49] <arti> i believe they used some of the sets in the matrix
[08:05:19] <arti> i really like ms. connelly
[08:07:06] <crutchy> arti, this is prolly what our cops are really like: https://www.youtube.com
[08:07:07] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Fat pizza Vs Bikies - YouTube
[08:07:12] <geotti> the singer?
[08:07:37] * arti has seen several youtube videos of police interactions with aussie perps
[08:08:13] <arti> doesn't make me an expert though
[08:08:20] <arti> seems like your police are better trained
[08:09:10] <crutchy> they can prolly be nasty if you fuck around with them
[08:09:19] <arti> no doubt
[08:11:02] <geotti> here, something from the Balkans
[08:11:04] <geotti> https://www.youtube.com
[08:11:04] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Serbian Drunk Driver Alcohol Test Fail - YouTube
[08:11:14] <arti> is this where the guy drinks it?
[08:11:19] <arti> the tester
[08:11:23] <geotti> oh arti...
[08:11:30] <arti> yes!
[08:11:48] <geotti> you spoiled it for the otheres
[08:12:03] <arti> bonus, i've seen it without audio
[08:12:10] <arti> so the serbian part was a guess
[08:12:26] <arti> :|
[08:12:54] <geotti> you get this then: https://www.youtube.com
[08:12:54] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Charlie The Unicorn 1,2,3 And 4 | All In One ! - YouTube
[08:12:59] <geotti> as your prize
[08:14:09] * arti has seen
[08:14:17] <arti> i like the tongues in the 2nd one especially
[08:14:19] <chromas> why do the unicorns sound like michael jackson?
[08:14:26] <geotti> what didn't you see
[08:14:26] <arti> not sure, charlie, yeah charlie
[08:14:34] <geotti> blblblblblbl
[08:14:43] <arti> would be a good text notification sound
[08:14:49] <geotti> true
[08:14:59] <arti> i made some sounds for this client
[08:16:28] <geotti> off to watch starred up
[08:16:39] <arti> my internet lore is quite high
[08:16:41] <geotti> (only thing i can watch without my wife)
[08:16:45] <geotti> lore++
[08:16:45] <Bender> karma - lore: 1
[08:16:56] <arti> alright sir, enjoy
[08:26:04] <Ethanol-fueled> Nice.
[08:26:21] <Ethanol-fueled> I feel a kinship with Serbs. They're rapists, drunks, barbarians.
[08:26:28] <Ethanol-fueled> Makes me wanna move there.
[08:42:47] <arti> sounds like a great d&d setting
[08:48:40] <swiss> Ethanol-fueled: i highly recommend insteon for drunk stumbling through the house
[08:48:57] <swiss> just had to go down a hallway that i normally can do in the dark. Didn't know which way was my room
[08:49:05] <swiss> bring up phone, turn on bedroom light
[08:49:18] <swiss> guiding light for intoxicated stumbling
[08:54:01] <Ethanol-fueled> FCUCK YEAH
[09:13:27] -!- Ethanol-fueled has quit [Quit: Web client closed]
[09:24:25] <crutchy> ++coffee
[09:24:25] <Hedonismbot> Karma - coffee: 235
[09:32:02] -!- JamesNZ has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[09:40:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Pilot Program: 7 South African Schools Go Textbook-Free - http://sylnt.us - paperless-millennials
[09:48:46] <swiss> coffee_--
[09:48:46] <Bender> karma - coffee_: -1
[09:50:39] <Konomi> https://imgur.com
[09:50:39] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03San Francisco, 2015. A foggy night outside of a seedy bar. - Imgur
[09:50:50] <chromas> Coffee--
[09:50:50] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1000
[09:51:06] <chromas> Take that, scripty
[09:53:22] <swiss> qq
[09:55:22] <crutchy> ooh. hax0rd
[09:56:45] <crutchy> "destroy capitalism. smash the state" what's left after that?
[09:57:32] <crutchy> Konomi, people who believe in that message are anarchists
[09:57:35] <crutchy> :D
[09:57:48] <Konomi> anarchists don't believe in anything silly
[09:57:51] <Konomi> ;p
[09:58:00] <crutchy> well, they believe in anarchy
[09:58:23] <Konomi> believing water is wet generally passes that not really believing test ;p
[09:59:14] <crutchy> water is wet. anarchy is a bit silly cos in reality it wouldn't really happen. if you destroy the state, another would develop to fill the void (example: isis in the mid-east)
[09:59:30] <crutchy> human nature and all that crap
[10:00:14] <Konomi> whatever you wanna believe crutchy
[10:01:30] <crutchy> meh. i just observe
[10:13:40] <geotti> swiss: starred up is like "wtf?!"
[10:15:02] <geotti> can we make up a new government type called harmonism?
[10:15:20] <geotti> or humanism?
[10:20:46] <crutchy> i think that's the word Tachyon used in his party name
[10:21:40] <swiss> geotti: did you enjoy it?
[10:21:41] <crutchy> i dunno whether i'd use it in marketing though. there's nothing humane about humanity
[10:30:02] <Konomi> have to agree with that my opinion of humans isn't very high
[10:31:38] <crutchy> i think individually almost all are prolly not that bad, but put us together and human nature comes out
[10:31:53] <Konomi> I don't like using the word human nature
[10:31:59] <Konomi> most things people consider human nature are taught
[10:32:02] <Konomi> not inherit
[10:32:14] <crutchy> i think of human nature as the 7 sins
[10:32:50] <Konomi> I always trust something based in religion to lead my moral compass
[10:32:55] <Konomi> anyone got a fire I need a witch to burn
[10:33:01] <Konomi> ;p
[10:33:30] <crutchy> also, there's a pyramid that is often used to describe human nature that seems pretty spot on.
[10:34:01] <crutchy> http://en.wikipedia.org and http://en.wikipedia.org
[10:34:02] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Wiki: Seven deadly sins
[10:34:02] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Wiki: Maslow's hierarchy of needs
[10:34:12] <crutchy> human nature for ya :d
[10:43:26] <crutchy> i don't really think of the 7 sins as some sort of moral guide. i think of it as being hardwired into our instinct (nature). as in we are naturally lustful, gluttonous, greedy, lazy, angry, envious and proud, but are driven by the need to survive, be safe, feel loved, feel respected and if all else is met be occupied. there's no doubt more to it. there's things like vengeance etc.
[10:43:29] <Konomi> https://en.wikipedia.org
[10:43:29] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Wiki: Nature versus nurture
[10:43:50] <Konomi> https://en.wikipedia.org
[10:43:50] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Wiki: Tabula rasa
[10:44:28] <crutchy> knowledge != instinct
[10:44:46] <Konomi> no one ever said it did
[10:45:10] <crutchy> oh. i thought that's why you might have linked the 2nd link
[10:46:01] <crutchy> i agree that we're prolly born without knowledge though
[10:47:11] <crutchy> and that we're products of our upbringing and environment, but i think the sins are always lurking underneath
[10:47:40] <crutchy> prolly what differs is the will and/or ability to control them
[10:48:05] <crutchy> or some shit
[10:48:16] <Konomi> only time I've heard "human nature" used by anyone is to either A. Excuse themselves or someone else of doing something shitty or B. An excuse to do something shitty to somene else
[10:48:46] <crutchy> seems about right :p
[10:48:50] <crutchy> but it does exist
[10:50:26] <crutchy> and they're also prolly the reason why we're so successful as a species. we are driven to excess as a means of continuing the species
[10:50:35] <crutchy> survival of the fittest
[10:51:13] <crutchy> humanity really is like a virus. agent smith put it best
[10:56:46] * crutchy is indulging his gluttonous instinct
[10:57:12] <crutchy> crutchy=1,tub of sorbet=0
[10:57:54] <geotti> swiss: yeah, I did, actually... 2 hours in the life of a convict ;)
[10:58:10] <geotti> swiss: glad i have my life
[10:58:22] <geotti> ok, so harmonism?
[10:58:28] <geotti> agapism?
[10:58:33] <geotti> agapi = love
[10:58:46] <geotti> to stay true to our ellenicisms
[10:59:08] <crutchy> sounds good
[10:59:25] <geotti> so, like a neo-hippism
[10:59:41] <crutchy> we just need universal genetic tampering :p
[10:59:48] <geotti> i mean, if there's neo-everything now...
[11:00:02] <crutchy> i prefer trinity myself
[11:00:03] <geotti> who the f... are you? I'm a neo-hippy, foo!
[11:00:29] <geotti> ok, garble the letters and make it eon-hippy
[11:01:13] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[11:01:14] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03No Good Dirty Goddamn Hippies - YouTube
[11:02:09] <Konomi> http://boingboing.net
[11:02:10] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Great Firewall of Cameron blocks sex-abuse charities - Boing Boing
[11:02:14] <Konomi> A+ GB
[11:03:56] <crutchy> governments don't grasp the concept of unintended consequences
[11:04:09] <Konomi> pretty sure they do and just don't care
[11:04:24] <crutchy> heh
[11:05:34] <crutchy> better be careful. you might turn into a libertarian
[11:06:08] <Konomi> I'd have to be better at stepping over homeless people and not caring to do that
[11:06:39] <crutchy> if you believe that
[11:07:39] <Konomi> but I just observe!
[11:07:40] <Konomi> ;p
[11:07:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:07:49] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1001
[11:07:50] <crutchy> you need glasses
[11:08:03] <Konomi> already got my perscription glasses \o/
[11:08:27] <crutchy> they don't help you see what libertarianism is about
[11:08:52] <crutchy> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[11:08:53] * exec suspiciously blows a cold can of g'day juice at TheMightyBuzzard
[11:10:12] <crutchy> damn. this tub of sorbet might beat me yet
[11:11:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> never give up, never surrender
[11:13:04] <crutchy> bloody hell. even libertarianism has been infected by socialists :/
[11:13:15] <crutchy> http://en.wikipedia.org
[11:13:15] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Wiki: Libertarianism
[11:13:33] <Konomi> 2015-01-26 20:43.txt:UsedDedicatedGPUMemory: 525
[11:13:33] <Konomi> 2015-01-26 20:53.txt:UsedDedicatedGPUMemory: 537
[11:13:41] <Konomi> something tells me that memory leak is there nvidia
[11:13:47] <Konomi> https://en.wikipedia.org
[11:13:48] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Wiki: Criticism of libertarianism
[11:13:48] <Konomi> enjoy
[11:14:42] <crutchy> its pretty short on substance
[11:15:06] <Konomi> is that a round about way of saying it's not valid ;p ?
[11:15:54] <crutchy> no. i can understand people criticize libertarianism for property rights. cos socialists just wanna take everything
[11:16:24] <Konomi> don't see what criticism page of libertarianism has to do with socialism
[11:16:44] <crutchy> socialism: lets take konomi's laptop for the good of society. libertarianism: fuck society. this is my laptop
[11:18:01] <crutchy> most of that page seems to be about what socialists don't like about libertarianism
[11:18:06] <Konomi> in crutchy's society my laptop is so important it must contain the cure for cancer or something ;p
[11:18:25] <crutchy> no. in crutchy's society, if you paid for the laptop its yours
[11:19:07] <crutchy> that's property rights
[11:19:23] <Konomi> "Production for use is a phrase referring to the principle of economic organization and production taken as a defining criterion for a socialist economy. It is held in contrast to production for profit. This criterion is used to distinguish socialism from capitalism, and was one of the fundamental defining characteristics of socialism initially shared by Marxian socialists, evolutionary socialists, anarchi
[11:19:29] <Konomi> sts and Christian socialists."
[11:19:35] <Konomi> I'm guessing since I am using the laptop it wouldn't be taken
[11:19:55] <crutchy> if australia were a communist state i wouldn't assume anything like that
[11:20:13] <Konomi> I think you might have socialist economics confused with https://en.wikipedia.org
[11:20:13] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Wiki: Repossession
[11:20:27] <crutchy> socialists believe in collectivism
[11:20:41] <Konomi> society is a collectivism
[11:20:43] <Konomi> you know that right?
[11:20:46] <crutchy> reposession is if something is taken from you that you haven't paid for
[11:20:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://www.political-humor.org
[11:20:54] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Let?s Have a Libertarian Debate!
[11:20:56] <Konomi> TheMightyBuzzard: yeah I shouldn't have bothered really ;p
[11:21:10] <Konomi> crutchy gonna be a grumpy old libby for the rest of his life
[11:21:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> me too, i just thought it was a funny strip
[11:22:19] <Konomi> that strip really is priceless though
[11:22:35] <crutchy> it sums up the debate pretty well :D
[11:22:47] <Konomi> one you actively seem to dive into ;p
[11:22:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> society is a made up word to categorize a bunch of people living in peace. it doesn't necessitate the surrender of any natural rights.
[11:22:56] <crutchy> meh. i like debating
[11:23:04] <Konomi> TheMightyBuzzard: in the future I'll just accuse the other side of being a socialist and be done
[11:23:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> there ya go
[11:23:41] <crutchy> socialism is such a great word
[11:23:53] <crutchy> sums up a whole bunch of criticisms :D
[11:24:23] <Konomi> actually that comic is making fun of people who throw around labels ignornantly misunderstanding them
[11:24:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, stop distracting me with things i like to argue about. forgot to take my wake the fuck up pill.
[11:24:46] <Konomi> is that like a highly compressed caffeine pill?
[11:24:51] <crutchy> i need a coffee too
[11:25:01] <Konomi> if we crushed it up would it fill a bucket?
[11:25:13] <crutchy> even though its only an hour and a half till midnight and i have work tomorrow :/
[11:25:43] <crutchy> do you keep nodoze by your bedside?
[11:25:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> adderall. amphetamine and dextroamphetamine.
[11:25:50] <Konomi> ohh all the fun ones
[11:25:52] <Konomi> do share
[11:26:02] <crutchy> oh man. fuck yeah
[11:26:05] <crutchy> gimme
[11:26:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> surprisingly cheap for brain drugs. only like $90 for 60 pills.
[11:26:30] <Konomi> you're like the first person in the channel to mention a drug that doesn't involve A. Getting cancer or B. Blowing up brain cells
[11:27:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> man i love the stuff. first doc to ever prescribe me anything that made me feel better.
[11:27:48] <Konomi> if that combo didn't make you feel better I don't know what would
[11:28:45] <crutchy> my missus is on some pretty funky drug combo. dunno if its anything like that though
[11:28:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> my thoughts too. i was like doc, ima take those and enjoy em regardless cause i dig on stimulants. even though getting me to take other pills is like pulling teeth.
[11:29:06] <crutchy> hers are painkillers
[11:29:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> ick
[11:29:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> hate opiates
[11:29:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> they make me sick when i drink caffeine
[11:29:46] <Konomi> anonymous sure have got funky with their web page design
[11:29:48] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[11:29:49] <crutchy> she can't drink any coffee
[11:29:49] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03The Most Relaxing and Chillout Sounds - Café Bar Restaurant Background Music Mix - YouTube
[11:29:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> there ya go
[11:30:10] <crutchy> ooh chillout
[11:30:22] <Konomi> there's an embedded msuc player with 3 of these type of youtube links
[11:30:27] <Konomi> http://youranoncentral.tumblr.com
[11:30:27] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03YourAnonCentral
[11:30:39] <Konomi> it's in one of our news stories ;p
[11:31:17] <Konomi> do beware those damn videos are long idling on that page is gonna eat some bandwidth
[11:31:54] <crutchy> heh. i deliberately didn't update my flash player, so now all flash shit just show up as blocked containers :D
[11:32:02] <Konomi> dear nvidia
[11:32:02] <Konomi> $ grep '^UsedDedicatedGPUMemory' *
[11:32:03] <Konomi> 2015-01-26 22:08.txt:UsedDedicatedGPUMemory: 644
[11:32:03] <Konomi> 2015-01-26 22:18.txt:UsedDedicatedGPUMemory: 644
[11:32:06] <Konomi> I found a problem
[11:32:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'all good, i got like a 250GB cap per month.
[11:32:17] <crutchy> same here
[11:32:21] <Konomi> I have like 120gb and I barely make that
[11:32:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> i pirate pretty much all the tv i watch though, so i fill 120 easy.
[11:33:07] <crutchy> damn aussie broadband go from 50gb to 250gb :/
[11:33:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> more reliable than a dvr and no commercials
[11:33:45] <Konomi> weird
[11:33:51] <Konomi> one of my screen tabs isn't taking any input
[11:34:00] <crutchy> hax0rd?
[11:34:03] <crutchy> :d
[11:34:09] <Konomi> nah I probably thumbed some shortcut
[11:34:31] <Konomi> got it back
[11:34:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, fun. yall hear about the veterans administration scandal over here where they had insane, secret waiting lists? just found out they also spent $22M going green instead of on treating vets.
[11:35:02] <Konomi> "going green" ?
[11:35:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, whatever that means.
[11:35:37] <Konomi> be nice if they'd say...
[11:35:51] <Konomi> be nice if they'd stop blowing places up so there weren't so many vets in the first place
[11:35:51] <ciri> me too, smoke time! Konomi
[11:36:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> apparently it involved throwing up solar panels and wind generators
[11:36:04] <Konomi> ciri-- # there are no words
[11:36:04] <Bender> karma - ciri: -39
[11:36:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, don't gotta see combat to be a vet so there'd be just as many really.
[11:36:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> but i'm in favor of stopping blowing things up in general.
[11:37:02] <crutchy> i think the more i look at that comic the more funny it is :D
[11:37:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> and if yer gonna blow something up, do it all the way and make sure nothing in the borders is living afterwards.
[11:37:51] * TheMightyBuzzard nods at crutchy
[11:37:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> it do grow on ya
[11:38:12] <crutchy> i love the faces in the last slide
[11:38:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[11:38:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha, i have defeated the bots!
[11:39:00] <crutchy> you meanie
[11:39:12] <crutchy> poor chromas' downloads gunna be nuked
[11:39:14] <Konomi> that wouldn't be too hard
[11:39:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;klingon success
[11:39:32] <botctl> TheMightyBuzzard: Qapla' ()
[11:39:45] <Konomi> what did you do to them anyway
[11:40:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> nothin, i just figured they choked on my link
[11:40:10] <crutchy> pummeled poor Hedonismbot with 1hr+ youtube vids
[11:40:14] <Konomi> mine was the last link i think
[11:40:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, yeah thas prolly the one that broke it
[11:40:34] <Konomi> why do they break in the first place...
[11:40:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas not use head instead of get?
[11:40:46] <Konomi> oh god
[11:40:52] <Konomi> hope they aren't getting that whole page
[11:40:56] <crutchy> can't use head for a title bot
[11:41:02] <Konomi> yeah you can
[11:41:08] <crutchy> prolly shouldn't use curl either
[11:41:12] <Konomi> I use a perl modual asnd limit the download to 1mb
[11:41:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, crutchy did that once. i made him download stuff.
[11:41:20] <Konomi> haha
[11:41:24] <crutchy> can you get <title></title> from head?
[11:41:27] <Konomi> you newbs.
[11:41:30] <Konomi> np
[11:41:34] <Konomi> but if you are going to do that shit
[11:41:37] <crutchy> mine stops after </title>
[11:41:38] <Konomi> parse the first 500 bytes
[11:41:41] <Konomi> and don't parse anymore
[11:41:43] <Konomi> seriously
[11:41:49] <crutchy> nah it doesn't always work
[11:41:58] <crutchy> i think mine goes up to 2048 or summin
[11:41:59] <Konomi> i have coded this shit
[11:42:01] <Konomi> it will always work
[11:42:03] <Konomi> if you do it right
[11:42:19] <crutchy> some pages are sull of shit before you get to the html tag
[11:42:27] <crutchy> s/sull/full/
[11:42:27] <SedNotABot> <crutchy> some pages are full of shit before you get to the html tag
[11:42:47] <crutchy> i think /. is one of them
[11:43:18] <crutchy> hmm nope no /.
[11:43:29] <crutchy> can't remember. came across one in testing though
[11:43:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> SN is full of css before you get to the title
[11:43:36] <crutchy> had some weird ascii art thing
[11:43:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://soylentnews.org
[11:43:57] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SoylentNews: SoylentNews is people
[11:44:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, it just didn't like REM apparently
[11:44:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[11:44:27] <Hedonismbot> * 03The Most Relaxing and Chillout Sounds - Café Bar Restaurant Background Music Mix - YouTube
[11:44:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> no no no
[11:44:41] <Konomi> http://youranoncentral.tumblr.com
[11:44:41] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03YourAnonCentral
[11:44:41] <crutchy> hehe caught up :D
[11:44:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[11:44:46] <Konomi> hmm
[11:44:46] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03R.E.M. - It's The End Of The World - YouTube
[11:44:57] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[11:44:57] <Hedonismbot> * 03The Most Relaxing and Chillout Sounds - Café Bar Restaurant Background Music Mix - YouTube
[11:45:05] <Konomi> anyway you just parse
[11:45:14] <Konomi> if it goes over a certain amount of data don't get the rest
[11:45:33] <Konomi> parse what is left byte by btye look for the byte sequence <title>
[11:45:37] <Konomi> it is not hard
[11:45:39] <crutchy> i parse till i get to </title> or $some_limit, whichever comes first
[11:45:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, you gotta be lower level than LWP generally for that though and people cry when they gotta do that
[11:46:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[11:46:13] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Barry McGuire - Eve of Destruction - YouTube
[11:46:18] <Konomi> I haven't had to use anything but LWP::Agent TheMightyBuzzard
[11:46:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh no? you're likely doing the entire GET then as well.
[11:46:45] <crutchy> $some_limit is 10000 for exec
[11:46:47] <crutchy> ((strpos(strtolower(\$response),\"</title>\")!==False) or (strlen(\$response)>=10000))
[11:46:48] <Konomi> only if the head fails ^^
[11:46:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[11:46:55] <Konomi> and you can limit the get
[11:46:56] <geotti> http://truehouse.ch go to mixshows and select your poison
[11:46:57] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03:: truehouse.net :: more than House-Music :: the home of c&m productions ::
[11:47:11] <Konomi> $ua->max_size(1048576)
[11:47:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> on LWP? funky, hadn't ever tried.
[11:47:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, geotti
[11:47:59] <geotti> sup buz, mornin' to you too!
[11:48:14] <geotti> how was your nap?
[11:48:16] <crutchy> 9.18 in the The Most Relaxing and Chillout Sounds - Café Bar Restaurant Background Music Mix" is pretty nice
[11:48:45] <geotti> that should be buddha bar, or cafe del mar
[11:48:52] <Konomi> http://search.cpan.org
[11:48:54] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03LWP::UserAgent - search.cpan.org
[11:49:48] <crutchy> real men use fsockopen :p
[11:49:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, i believed ya, just never found a need to use that particular method
[11:50:09] <geotti> real men drink red bull
[11:50:13] <geotti> redbull++
[11:50:13] <Bender> karma - redbull: 1
[11:50:15] <crutchy> and use eval
[11:50:18] <crutchy> :D
[11:50:31] <Konomi> must be set crutchy on fire time again
[11:50:33] * geotti goes to check on the backups
[11:50:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> pffft, real men strip the cat5 and can read data by touching the wires to their tongue
[11:51:08] <Konomi> glad to be excempt from such things
[11:51:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a slight burden but i consider the rewards worth it
[11:51:47] <crutchy> https://github.com
[11:51:48] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03exec-irc-bot/lib_http.php at master · crutchy-/exec-irc-bot · GitHub
[11:52:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> like being able to write your name in the snow. it's surprisingly rewarding.
[11:52:28] <Konomi> I don't see a size limit
[11:52:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn right you don't
[11:52:49] <crutchy> its passed in $breakcode
[11:52:56] <Konomi> time to find some insect porn for crutchy
[11:52:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh wait, were we back to talking about LWP::UserAgent?
[11:53:00] <Konomi> ho ho ho
[11:53:07] <Konomi> no crutchy's php
[11:53:36] <crutchy> https://github.com
[11:53:36] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03exec-irc-bot/title.php at master · crutchy-/exec-irc-bot · GitHub
[11:53:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, there's no size limit on php. it grows to fill all available disk space eventually.
[11:53:45] <crutchy> hehe :)
[11:54:05] <crutchy> and consumes the intertubes
[11:54:10] <Konomi> since when is ssl:// a protocol ;p
[11:54:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> !?
[11:54:40] <crutchy> since its easy to use
[11:55:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> man this 4h of sleep crap's got to go. not sure even stims are gonna get me debugging-ready today.
[11:55:31] <crutchy> i try for 6hrs at minimum
[11:55:34] <Konomi> it's not expressed as ssl:// though x.x
[11:55:49] <crutchy> you'll have to take that up with the php peeps
[11:55:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> me too but i stayed up too late yacking with you lot last night.
[11:55:56] <Konomi> oh php
[11:55:57] <crutchy> hah
[11:55:58] <Konomi> right nevermind
[11:56:00] <crutchy> :p
[11:56:11] <Konomi> what if the server was using tls?
[11:56:41] <crutchy> meh
[11:56:45] <Konomi> hmm guess they're the same
[11:56:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> i completely read tls as tits just then
[11:57:04] <Konomi> you would
[11:57:09] <crutchy> i so want what you're on dude :)
[11:57:21] <Konomi> !grab TheMightyBuzzard
[11:57:21] <Bender> Added quote 369
[11:57:25] <Konomi> seems worth it
[11:57:28] <crutchy> except for the no sleep thing. you can keep that
[11:57:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'true. unapologetically male.
[11:57:40] <Konomi> now you're a man mannny man man
[11:58:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm even manspreading as we speak
[11:58:12] <crutchy> join my new male chauvinism political party
[11:58:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://en.wikipedia.org
[11:58:43] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Wiki: Manspreading
[11:58:51] <crutchy> libertarianism is stupid
[11:59:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, you're a socialist!
[11:59:05] <crutchy> nograb
[11:59:16] <crutchy> no YOU'RE a socialist!
[11:59:25] <crutchy> oh shit i must still be libertarian
[11:59:34] <Konomi> that reminds me
[11:59:36] <Konomi> http://mentakingup2muchspaceonthetrain.tumblr.com
[11:59:37] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Men Taking Up Too Much Space on the Train
[11:59:48] <crutchy> i think we seen that one
[11:59:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> quick check: do you want the government to give you other people's stuff?
[11:59:58] <crutchy> oh hell yeah
[12:00:00] <crutchy> :D
[12:00:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, socialist.
[12:00:06] <crutchy> take take take
[12:00:14] <crutchy> gimme gimme
[12:00:21] <Konomi> tbh I didn't even know this was a thing
[12:00:27] <Konomi> I'v enever seen any guys sit like this
[12:00:37] <Konomi> they look like tools tbh
[12:00:47] <crutchy> maybe not that much, but we do
[12:00:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, ya, 3rd-wave feminists are all pissy about it lately over here
[12:01:07] <Konomi> can't tell if sitting or trying to do the splits
[12:01:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuck em right in their cock-sockets though. the boys need their space.
[12:01:19] <crutchy> o.0
[12:01:26] <Konomi> !grab TheMightyBuzzard
[12:01:26] <Bender> Added quote 370
[12:01:37] * TheMightyBuzzard nods sagely
[12:01:43] <crutchy> if only there were a fcocksockopen
[12:01:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> it is right that you save my wisdom, child
[12:01:56] <Konomi> I still don't see how that would be comfortable though
[12:02:01] <Konomi> http://40.media.tumblr.com
[12:02:08] <Konomi> I mean is this comfortable?
[12:02:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> you gotta have balls to appreciate that they don't like being squarshed.
[12:02:18] <Konomi> those jeans gonna rip dude
[12:02:27] <crutchy> yeah that guy is a tool
[12:02:29] <Konomi> how is that working here though?
[12:02:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> that guy's hamming it up
[12:02:37] <Konomi> he's gonna crush them more doing that?
[12:03:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> bout a 30-45 degree angle is optimal
[12:03:50] <Konomi> all these guys look like they're going for 180 degree ;p
[12:03:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> legs together is definitely not the most comfortable position if you got junk riding between them though.
[12:04:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, pretty much the entire male population laughed their asses off when that became a thing feminazis were going to be pissed about.
[12:04:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> some of us is wiseasses
[12:04:50] <Konomi> still doesn't this look a bit weird?
[12:04:58] <Konomi> I've never seen guys sit like that
[12:05:08] <crutchy> i prefer standing on public transport usually
[12:05:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> that first list of dudes had it about right. http://mentakingup2muchspaceonthetrain.tumblr.com
[12:05:22] <crutchy> but that's cos i've seen what sits on the seats
[12:05:57] <Konomi> wat at the one with the scarf
[12:06:03] <Konomi> looks like he has chocolate all over his face
[12:06:12] <crutchy> prolly been eating arse
[12:06:15] <geotti> the one that looks like h.b. from scooter is funny
[12:06:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> one with the scarf looks funky but it has nothing to do with how he sits.
[12:06:28] <geotti> the blonde fucker
[12:06:43] <geotti> like an mit professor eremitus?
[12:07:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> first dude's just chillin
[12:07:06] <geotti> (why do backups always take up so much time?)
[12:07:17] <Konomi> btw some are just of people taking up space with packages
[12:07:20] * geotti wants fiber
[12:07:28] <geotti> yeah, ladies do that too
[12:07:28] <Konomi> cause they're copying your bits
[12:07:34] * TheMightyBuzzard snickers
[12:07:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> you said packages
[12:07:43] <geotti> hehe
[12:08:03] <Konomi> I'm surprised bits didn't get more of a giggle
[12:08:04] <geotti> sardu++
[12:08:04] <Bender> karma - sardu: 1
[12:08:04] <Konomi> but okay ;p
[12:08:09] <geotti> http://sardu.pro
[12:08:11] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SARDU
[12:08:27] <Konomi> is it bad I thought
[12:08:30] <crutchy> lol
[12:08:31] <Konomi> hey mr spread your legs more
[12:08:36] <Konomi> I'm gonna attache some solar panels
[12:08:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> i really shouldn't have said chillin. now i got this stuck in my head. https://www.youtube.com
[12:08:38] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Fresh Prince of Bel Air - FULL THEME SONG - YouTube
[12:08:38] <crutchy> libertydoge asked: Do you want to know why guys cant close their legs as much as women? Because we have dicks. I wanted to know why, and now I know why. Thank you for joining “Men Defending Their Balls: A Superpoem.”
[12:08:40] <Konomi> and see how much energy I can get
[12:09:08] <crutchy> derp. too much drugs tmb
[12:09:21] -!- SirFinkus [SirFinkus!~SirFinkus@71.197.zmm.nkk] has joined #Soylent
[12:09:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> good ole will smith
[12:09:45] <geotti> https://www.youtube.com
[12:09:46] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Souls Of Mischief - From 93 Till Infinity (Best Quality) - YouTube
[12:09:50] <crutchy> actually there is a good one by will smith
[12:09:58] <crutchy> i think its just called 'cruisin'
[12:09:58] <geotti> @crutchy
[12:10:16] <Konomi> "As for men who may worry that crossing their legs could hurt their virility, doctors say there is nothing to fear. A half-hour train ride with legs crossed might raise testicular temperatures, but not long enough to do any harm, said Dr. Marc Goldstein, director of the center for male reproductive medicine and microsurgery at NewYork-Presbyterian Hospital Weill Cornell Medical Center."
[12:10:22] <Konomi> it's okay
[12:10:24] <crutchy> "
[12:10:24] <crutchy> This video contains content from SME, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds. "
[12:10:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> geotti, meh, i don't feel like hopping on a german vpn to watch it.
[12:10:28] <crutchy> dammit :/
[12:10:48] <geotti> not available in germany either
[12:10:55] <geotti> fuck sme
[12:11:07] <geotti> they didn't let me listen to your aussie band before either
[12:11:09] <geotti> sme--
[12:11:09] <Bender> karma - sme: -1
[12:11:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[12:11:13] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Girls Ain't Nothing But Trouble - YouTube
[12:11:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> oldschool will smith
[12:11:28] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[12:11:29] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Will Smith - Just Cruisin' - YouTube
[12:11:30] <Konomi> otoh
[12:11:32] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[12:11:32] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Ow My Balls! - YouTube
[12:11:35] <Konomi> pretty sure this would
[12:11:52] <geotti> http://www.dailymotion.com
[12:11:54] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Souls Of Mischief - 93 'Til Infinity - Vidéo Dailymotion
[12:11:59] <geotti> youtube--
[12:11:59] <Bender> karma - youtube: -11
[12:12:01] <geotti> google--
[12:12:01] <Bender> karma - google: -9
[12:12:10] <geotti> dailymotion++
[12:12:10] <Bender> karma - dailymotion: 1
[12:12:16] <geotti> diversity++
[12:12:16] <Bender> karma - diversity: 1
[12:12:18] <geotti> choice++
[12:12:19] <Bender> karma - choice: 0
[12:12:24] <geotti> !whodown choice
[12:12:24] <Bender> downers of choice are: chromas: -1
[12:12:27] <geotti> tsts
[12:12:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> diversity-- #for the diversity of opinion
[12:12:33] <Bender> karma - diversity: 0
[12:13:13] <geotti> housemusic++
[12:13:13] <Bender> karma - housemusic: 1
[12:13:22] <geotti> housemusic++ #not everyone understands house music...
[12:13:22] <Bender> karma - housemusic: 2
[12:14:31] <crutchy> geotti, funky
[12:14:39] <crutchy> dailymotion++
[12:14:39] <Bender> karma - dailymotion: 2
[12:14:48] <Konomi> youtube-dl++
[12:14:50] <Konomi> nuuuu
[12:15:06] <geotti> yeah, 93 'till is a classic
[12:16:00] * geotti wants a cerberus to make the bits jump faster over the line
[12:16:24] <crutchy> i use the dvdvideosoft tools to download youtube. mostly the mp3 converter
[12:16:29] <geotti> ph33r 7h3 c3rb3ru5, bits!
[12:16:51] * geotti uses clicktoflash on safari, right-click and download
[12:17:01] <geotti> just_works++
[12:17:01] <Bender> karma - just_works: 1
[12:17:21] <geotti> and protube on ios
[12:17:28] <geotti> jailbreak++
[12:17:28] <Bender> karma - jailbreak: 1
[12:17:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> vlc does pretty well as a youtube player as well
[12:17:39] <geotti> vlc++ #for replacing winamp
[12:17:39] <Bender> karma - vlc: 4
[12:17:51] <crutchy> http://www.political-humor.org
[12:17:55] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Make No More Laws than Those Useful for Preventing a Man or Body of Men from Infringing on the Rights of Other Men
[12:18:04] <crutchy> not really humorous, but concise :)
[12:18:14] * geotti goes back to check on them bits
[12:18:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, now "bits" is starting to get kinda funny.
[12:18:56] <crutchy> i like checking on my wife's bits
[12:19:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'your duty. gotta make sure a wombat didn't run off with em overnight.
[12:19:36] <crutchy> http://www.political-humor.org
[12:19:38] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Language for Dummies: Capitalism vs Socialism
[12:19:49] <Konomi> norton disk doctor can check your bits for you
[12:20:20] <crutchy> or fsck them
[12:20:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> da truf
[12:21:10] <geotti> norton disk destroyer, Konomi ?
[12:21:35] <Konomi> that would make for a scarier definition
[12:21:38] <crutchy> fsck sounds dirty
[12:21:46] <Konomi> norton disk destroyer is going to destroy your bits
[12:22:29] <crutchy> playing doctor with norton
[12:22:46] <Konomi> don't wanna know about your weird fetishes crutchy ;_;
[12:22:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> when norton can read ext4 with extents used, it can claim to have disk utilities. until then it = the plague.
[12:23:28] <crutchy> Konomi, i'm boring
[12:23:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's australia day?
[12:23:52] <Konomi> not in 37 minutes it won't be
[12:23:58] <crutchy> nah its night
[12:24:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> i didn't know that was a thing. what kinda thing is it?
[12:24:15] <chromas> Linux utilities could definitely use more animation loops like that doctor
[12:24:25] <crutchy> its a period of 24 hours
[12:24:43] * TheMightyBuzzard gives crutchy the spock eyebrow
[12:24:43] <Konomi> where australians run around celebrating how laid back and get pissed
[12:24:44] <ciri> hmmm thats a good question Konomi
[12:24:47] <Konomi> well more so than every other night
[12:25:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, well that's fine then. sounds like a perfectly good holiday.
[12:25:18] <crutchy> i was thinking about going to work. would have been quiet
[12:25:32] <Konomi> they also wear the flag and tell all the non white peeps to go back to where they came from
[12:25:35] <Konomi> ;p
[12:26:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> cept the aborigines i assume?
[12:26:08] <Konomi> no they tell them that too
[12:26:12] <crutchy> definitely them
[12:26:13] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[12:26:24] <chromas> "Go back to where you went to!"
[12:26:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> silly convicts
[12:26:32] <crutchy> 40,000 years is long enough! it's our turn!
[12:27:04] <Konomi> someone just needs to blow a huge crator in WA so all the flags will be wrong
[12:27:25] <crutchy> ke?
[12:27:37] <crutchy> BHP has already done that :p
[12:28:08] <Konomi> gotta make dem profits
[12:28:22] <Konomi> they also laid off a bunch of people recently too
[12:28:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> profits is good.
[12:28:39] <Konomi> yup I'd lay off my workers for extra profits too
[12:28:46] <crutchy> profit is motivation
[12:29:00] <crutchy> only reason i get out of bed on a work day
[12:29:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd lay off your workers for extra profits too. they're slacker convicts.
[12:29:10] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[12:29:11] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03RSA Animate - Drive: The surprising truth about what motivates us - YouTube
[12:29:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> tl;dw
[12:30:00] <SirFinkus> oh, it's another one of those videos where a guy draws the entire thing on a whiteboard
[12:30:05] * SirFinkus closes tab
[12:30:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> whiteboard markers are awesome. you can go over permanent marker with them and it will wipe right off.
[12:30:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> even if it's been there like ages
[12:31:31] <crutchy> omg economists at MIT
[12:31:35] <crutchy> explains everything
[12:31:41] <crutchy> fucking keynesians
[12:32:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> what motivates me to work is self interest. job type work for the money. you can tell by how since i have enough money to take an extended stretch of unemployment, i am doing just that here in a few weeks.
[12:32:41] <crutchy> Keynesianism defies the laws of behavioral logic
[12:33:01] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, true
[12:33:01] <Konomi> it's a conspircy!
[12:33:06] <Konomi> the fedural reserve bank!
[12:33:09] <Konomi> socialist!
[12:33:10] <Konomi> ;p
[12:33:13] <crutchy> wo don't work for money. we work for the stuff that money buys
[12:33:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> keynesianism is putting a broom and dustpan in a break glass in case of recession cabinet.
[12:34:03] <crutchy> supply be damned! we need moar demand! demand is all that matters!
[12:34:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, fu, i work for money. i like to dive around in it like scrooge mcduck
[12:34:11] <crutchy> lol
[12:34:25] <crutchy> wow i want some money that i can drive in
[12:34:33] <crutchy> oops
[12:34:34] <crutchy> derp
[12:34:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> start with paper. takes practice and a few trips to the hospital to get it down with coins.
[12:34:51] <crutchy> i must need to dive into bed
[12:35:36] <crutchy> i dunno if the federal reserve bank is inherently socialist. but the keynesians love it cos it enables all their bullshit
[12:35:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> i work for SN out of self interest too for that matter. i wanted a good news site that had the features i wanted. turns out i had to help make it if i wanted it.
[12:36:30] <crutchy> i dunno why i work on exec. must be part of that actualisation thing in maslow's hierarchy of needs
[12:36:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas just the desire to learn.
[12:36:53] <Konomi> it's satisfying your socalist urges
[12:36:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> part of being human.
[12:36:59] <Konomi> you even give the code away for free on github
[12:37:05] <Konomi> you fucking commie :(
[12:37:07] <Konomi> ;p
[12:37:30] <crutchy> wow i wish other socialists were like me
[12:37:43] <crutchy> they just take instead of give. fuckers
[12:37:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> took the words right outa my mouth
[12:37:57] <Konomi> linus been having that problem forever you damn leech
[12:38:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh no, linus gets more given than he wants it seems like.
[12:38:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> and he'll tell you alllll about it.
[12:38:36] <crutchy> linus has his own little empire goin on
[12:38:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> with fun words
[12:38:51] <Konomi> penguine empire
[12:38:54] <Konomi> they're out to get us!
[12:39:05] <crutchy> darth torvalds
[12:39:20] <crutchy> that's no moon! that's a penguin!
[12:39:37] <Konomi> I see how you mistook it for a moon
[12:39:43] <Konomi> it helps not to look just at it's butt
[12:39:47] <Konomi> its*
[12:40:27] <crutchy> must be time for me to pike
[12:40:32] <crutchy> thanks for the chit chat
[12:40:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> he can't help it, he's an ass man.
[12:40:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> nite
[12:40:37] <ciri> see yea later TheMightyBuzzard
[12:40:41] <crutchy> ciao
[12:41:25] <Konomi> http://www.phoronix.com
[12:41:27] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Broadwell Linux Ultrabook Running MUCH Cooler Than Haswell - Phoronix
[12:41:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[12:41:33] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03So hot, want to touch the hiney. - YouTube
[12:42:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> smooth, i been avoiding intel the last few upgrades on price/performance grounds but i may have to go back to them soon
[12:42:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mass Surveillance Will Not Stop Terrorism - http://sylnt.us - ministry-of-truth
[12:43:03] <Konomi> better tag would be no-shit-sherlock
[12:43:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> not that i care about heat that much on a desktop.
[12:44:05] <Konomi> huge diff on those laptops
[12:44:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, good ole NSA: A bunch of mindless jerks who'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.
[12:44:38] <chromas> amd in the winter; intel in the summer accessorize your hardware man
[12:44:48] <Konomi> it's always freaking summer here
[12:44:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> intel runs hotter
[12:45:04] <Konomi> from all the current tests amd runs hotter
[12:45:07] <Konomi> in every test I've seen
[12:45:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> least it did last time i upgraded
[12:45:15] <Konomi> when did you upgrade last?
[12:45:23] <Konomi> was jesus still around?
[12:45:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> couple or three years ago
[12:46:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> haven't seen much need to since then. six cores of 3.2GHz takes care of pretty much everything i need to do in a timely manner.
[12:49:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> moore's law is basically dead. cpus haven't advanced significantly in a long time.
[12:49:30] <Konomi> intel has been edging out performance for awhile
[12:49:35] <Konomi> it isn't about clock anymore though
[12:49:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> is for a lot of stuff still
[12:50:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> granted having multimedia extensions built into the chip is handy but you're always behind the latest algorithms on silicon
[12:51:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> like i'm still waiting on a chip that'll encode h265 in a timely manner
[12:51:25] <Konomi> as long as the transistor count doubles the law is intact ;p
[12:51:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> "soon" they say.
[12:51:40] <chromas> We were promised a big multi-core race
[12:51:44] <Konomi> yeah I'd go with never
[12:51:46] <Konomi> 265 is nuts
[12:51:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i just wish transistor count mattered to performance.
[12:51:53] <chromas> It's true. I read it on slashdot
[12:52:00] <Konomi> it's notlike there's real time for 264 atm even
[12:52:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, traitor
[12:52:07] <Konomi> unless you like compression to be low
[12:52:16] <chromas> Years ago, when it was still a thing
[12:52:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, could build a kernel really fast on one
[12:52:36] <Konomi> multi core hasn't come about cause programmers still be catching up tot he idea
[12:52:50] <Konomi> threading code is a mind fuck ._.
[12:53:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'also because some shit needs to be serial
[12:53:13] <chromas> Just write everything in shell script
[12:53:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, can still fork even in shell
[12:53:32] <Konomi> you would not like to use a computer written in shell
[12:53:37] <Konomi> trust the shell programmer on this
[12:53:51] <chromas> Shells and pipes --> multiprocessing
[12:54:08] <Konomi> another candidate for the burning
[12:54:49] <chromas> Create an init that does everything in parallel with shells and pipes
[12:54:54] <chromas> Oh
[12:55:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, don't go there. i will smack you.
[12:55:17] <Konomi> init trolling is long past
[12:55:22] <Konomi> you're gonna have to do better
[12:55:59] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders
[12:56:09] <chromas> #lamergate
[12:56:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> wonder what a shell written in shellscript would be like
[12:56:17] <Konomi> #ghazigate!
[12:56:27] <Konomi> pretty awful
[12:56:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> #frontgate
[12:56:36] <Konomi> some of my shell scripts are very small
[12:56:43] <Konomi> consune 1% of the cpu every loop
[12:56:48] <chromas> #frontbutt
[12:56:53] <Konomi> #dickbutt
[12:57:01] <Konomi> ;p
[12:58:14] <Konomi> http://www.phoronix.com
[12:58:14] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03LZHAM 1.0 Lossless Data Compression Codec Released - Phoronix
[12:58:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> most of mine are of the for chicken in "*.avi"; do blah to turn it into an h264/aac mp4
[12:58:15] <Konomi> yay ham
[12:58:43] <chromas> pigzip
[12:58:48] <Konomi> 2015-01-26 23:48.txt:UsedDedicatedGPUMemory: 655
[12:58:52] <Konomi> dear nvidia we need to talk
[12:59:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> i've no idea what my vid memory usage looks like but the gpu is sitting at 0%
[12:59:51] <Konomi> nvidia-settings -q UsedDedicatedGPUMemory
[13:00:26] <Konomi> providing you're using nvidia that is
[13:00:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> what the shit?!
[13:00:44] <Konomi> ?
[13:00:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subroutine delete redefined at /srv/dev.soylentnews.org/slashcode/site/soylent-mainpage/htdocs/comments.pl line 384.
[13:01:00] <Konomi> hmm?
[13:01:10] <Konomi> I can't read that you got a link ;p
[13:01:19] <chromas> Redefined an existing function?
[13:01:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> several of those
[13:01:21] <SedNotABot> <TheMightyBuzzard> Subroutine delete redefined at /srral of thos/dev.soylentnews.org/slashcode/site/soylent-mainpage/htdocs/comments.pl line 384.
[13:01:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes
[13:01:30] <Konomi> yeah
[13:01:45] <Konomi> not something you want in your output
[13:02:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> ima hafta dig in there cause that is NOT output i got on my vm
[13:02:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> sigh
[13:02:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> so much to do, so utterly lacking in help
[13:02:42] * chromas pokes SedNotABot
[13:02:44] <Konomi> isn't debugging fun?
[13:03:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> debugging is awesome when it's just random crap that's my fault like punctuation
[13:03:44] <Konomi> I still have a die command waiting in my bot so it doesn't spam a bunch of crap to the terminal so I can wait for whatever weird condition happened last time
[13:03:47] <Konomi> been waiting 3 days
[13:04:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> nice
[13:04:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, afk after more coffee and poking around looking to see if i need breakfast
[13:05:53] <Konomi> gotta sit on the porch
[13:05:56] <Konomi> look into the distance
[13:06:01] <Konomi> deep in code solving thought
[13:08:37] <paulej72> Looks like I have the flu so no real output for me
[13:09:00] <Konomi> there's plenty of output it just requires lots of tissues
[13:09:15] <chromas> !grab Konomi
[13:09:15] <Bender> Added quote 371
[13:09:26] <Konomi> you sir are evil ._.
[13:13:19] <chromas> evilosity++
[13:13:19] <Bender> karma - evilosity: 1
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[13:17:19] <geotti> coffee-- #making me hyper
[13:17:19] <Bender> karma - tea: 376
[13:19:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, no worries man. i'll find the nonsense eventually.
[13:19:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's two plagues in like a month n a half for you. should take better care of yourself.
[13:19:36] <Konomi> yay pain how I missed you
[13:19:41] * Konomi pops the pain killers
[13:23:06] <chromas> Max Payne
[13:32:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> ooooh, okay... for some reason the first moderation isn't making it into the moderatorlog table.
[13:32:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> so it's moderation that's broken not something to do with the spam subs
[13:34:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha! found it
[13:42:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, booyah. found out why it was not working on dev/staging but was working on the vm and would have worked on production. m2 was set to 1 instead of 0 on dev and likely on staging. set it to zero and all is well.
[13:43:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's nice when a bug isn't a bug in my code. makes me happy.
[13:46:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, looks like the bug is fixed. we're good to deploy as far as i can tell.
[14:31:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, going to have a nap to make up for the sleep i missed.
[14:38:14] <ar> hm
[14:38:27] <ar> Konomi: happy aussie day :>
[14:38:38] <Konomi> happy invasion day ^^
[14:39:13] <ar> invasion day?
[14:40:51] <Konomi> https://en.wikipedia.org
[14:40:52] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Wiki: Australia Day
[14:43:06] <ar> huh
[14:44:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - biicode: A New Open Source Dependency Manager For C/C++ Libraries - http://sylnt.us - declaration-of-dependance
[15:05:52] <Konomi> http://paste.my.to
[15:05:57] * Konomi troll faces
[15:40:46] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: that setting Chang needs to be in the updates file
[15:41:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, it's already default on production
[15:41:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> we could have deployed no prollem
[15:41:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll put it there for future reference on dev and such though.
[15:41:56] <paulej72> then it should have been the default on dev unless someone monkeyed with it
[15:42:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> we prolly did at some point. it's the switch that turns meta moderation on and off
[15:44:11] <paulej72> so I got some drugs today for my flu, but the druggist was out of tamaflu. need to go back out at 3 to pick it up
[15:44:42] <paulej72> cough syrup with codeine, yum
[15:44:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> gah
[15:45:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> man you needa take care of yourself better
[15:46:12] <paulej72> I had a flu shot, just this years strain was not covered
[15:46:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, they aren't about half the time
[15:46:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't bother, just let my immune system get trained up so it doesn't need the help
[15:47:01] <paulej72> I think this year was farther off than most
[15:47:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> my luck i'll get it the week we're loading boxes onto the moving truck.
[15:47:40] <paulej72> I have mild asthma so the flu hits me a bit harder.
[15:47:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> eww
[15:49:00] * paulej72 needed a refill on me albuterol inhaler. one of the reasons I went to urgent care. was second in line.
[15:49:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> how bad off are ya this morning? think we can do the deploy after i get the upgrades file updated if i stick around for a second pair of eyes?
[15:50:49] <paulej72> do we just want to do it or should we schedule it?
[15:51:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm thinking we might as well just do it. only a minute or two's downtime.
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[15:52:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> and there's mechanicjay in case we bugger something up
[15:52:20] <paulej72> ok sounds good to me
[15:54:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> man wtf. my git master branch is off from sn master
[15:55:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh. i need a smoke and a little more coffee to clear that up.
[15:55:40] <paulej72> I did a merge yesterday of my stuff since you were off at your dinner
[15:56:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but i just did a pull, it should be current. it's like a pull of mine didn't get merged.
[15:56:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, one didn't
[16:00:17] <mechanicjay> Hiya, here to help with debuggering TMB!
[16:07:22] * TheMightyBuzzard thumps his head against the wall
[16:07:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> git hates me today
[16:08:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> fook it, i'll do it manually on the main repo and wipe my repo n start over with a fresh pull
[16:09:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> also gonna create a backup branch so we have a reference point of what's changed
[16:09:29] <paulej72> Yeah your pull request looks like that file was no where neer close to being up-to-date.
[16:10:09] <paulej72> I did a backup branch on the main repo for 14_10 stuff.
[16:12:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> cool, gonna make one for this one and say we're ready then.
[16:14:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, my prollems on my vm/repo still exist but they're my prollems not the main repo's
[16:15:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> we're good to go whenever you're feeling as good as you reckon you will.
[16:15:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Most Common Nutrition Myths Ever Told - http://sylnt.us - too-hard-to-swallow?
[16:16:37] <paulej72> lunching now, will do upgrade after I am finished
[16:18:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> cool, watchin ds9 until then
[16:20:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i'll use the time to start on a throwaway perl script to pull record of all spam moderations and create links to the comments
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[16:33:15] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: if I unspam some comment should it remove the spam mod and set the score +1?
[16:33:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> for new ones, yeah
[16:33:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> for the ones already broken, no
[16:34:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> they got their score adjusted without getting a corresponding entry in moderatorlog
[16:36:10] <paulej72> does not seem to be sorking that way on Dev. I spam modded martyb and unspamed the comment and the score is still 0
[16:38:20] <paulej72> s/sor/wor/
[16:38:21] <SedNotABot> <paulej72> does not seem to be working that way on Dev. I spam modded martyb and unspamed the comment and the score is still 0
[16:39:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> lemme check meself
[16:40:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> worked on juggs just now but it started at zero and went back to zero
[16:41:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, that comment was prolly already at zero from an earlier broken attempt
[16:41:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> for some reason, prolly speed, we don't recalculate scores when we modify them, just modify them.
[16:42:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> so the broken mods without an entry in moderatorlog are there to stay.
[16:43:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> pick a comment and watch the score go down and back up as you spam and unspam, just make sure and pay attention to what it starts at
[16:43:42] <paulej72> I was woken on some clean mods
[16:44:16] * paulej72 started at one and went to zero and stayed there
[16:47:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm...
[16:48:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> can not reproduce. it's working peachy for me.
[16:50:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, now i got it.
[16:50:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> doesn't affect AC but does affect named users
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[16:51:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> second time it's done it works fine though
[16:51:51] <LancePodstrong> hi
[16:51:51] <ciri> hey whats up LancePodstrong
[16:52:27] <LancePodstrong> day off work yay
[16:53:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, aight man, take a break and go feel like butt. i'll find and squash that bug.
[16:54:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> heya, LancePodstrong
[16:54:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> score. i'm having to hunt bugs today that never got caught on dev.
[16:55:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh hell, i bet i know what the prollem is
[16:56:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> ima need to fix my own repo first though to get started on it
[16:56:20] <LancePodstrong> forgive me if this is common knowledge... did you fork slashcode or start over from scratch, or something else?
[16:56:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> forked the abandoned opensource bit of slashcode
[16:57:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> since been significantly modified though not heavily enough to chase out all of the bugs.
[16:57:46] <LancePodstrong> no theo-style audit sessions yet? :P
[16:58:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh plenty of bug finding but no formal auditing
[16:59:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> we'd have to learn the code a lot better to really write proper audits
[17:01:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> i've been at it... six months? nine? and no way could i audit this thing visually and don't know it near well enough to automate it.
[17:02:47] <LancePodstrong> interesting
[17:03:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's huge and all kinds of squirrely
[17:03:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> pretty solid though, minor to really annoying bugs aside.
[17:03:55] <LancePodstrong> i wrote a lot of QBASIC and and VB6 back in middle/high school but otherwise haven't done much since. i'm pretty clueless about web programming
[17:04:03] <LancePodstrong> what language is soylent in?
[17:04:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> perl
[17:05:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> mod_perl running on apache in particular
[17:05:56] <LancePodstrong> what is the server hardware?
[17:06:12] <LancePodstrong> i just set up an intel atom board to do my mail and light web hosting
[17:07:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno, have to ask paulej72. few kinds of hosted VMs from linode.
[17:07:52] <LancePodstrong> sorry to be asking lots of questions. i've been learning more about web services and programming and it's just interesting to learn what various real world setups are
[17:07:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> like 8-10 servers in all
[17:08:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> bit overkill but it works for us.
[17:09:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> doesn't bug me, i'm not sure i have this bug fix in me before i get a nap anyway.
[17:11:08] <LancePodstrong> thanks
[17:11:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> ugh, need a smoke n another coffee. hate blocking bugs on release day.
[17:12:15] <LancePodstrong> i quit smoking like three weeks ago but my caffeine intake has increased to compensate
[17:12:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, mine goes way up if i run out
[17:13:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> not looking to quit though. i probably would but people keep telling me to so i won't.
[17:13:34] <LancePodstrong> hahahaha. can you smoke at your desk?
[17:14:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> unemployed currently. shut down my business at the end of the year and getting ready to move.
[17:14:17] <LancePodstrong> the two best places to smoke indoors are at the desk while working and on the toilet while pooping
[17:14:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> so, yeah, i can smoke on my couch.
[17:14:40] <LancePodstrong> excellent
[17:14:45] <LancePodstrong> maximum productivity acheived
[17:15:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, plus it's just a matter of turning horizontal if i want to take a nap
[17:16:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think, but wouldn't swear to it, that pipedot runs off one or maybe two linode servers too.
[17:17:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> bryan there runs pipedot but there's no telling if he's around.
[17:18:06] <LancePodstrong> we just got some static IPs at home
[17:18:41] <LancePodstrong> my stepdad does work with internet connected fire/burglary alarm panels and home automation type stuff
[17:19:02] <LancePodstrong> needs to set up a system at home to demonstrate to potential customers
[17:19:10] <LancePodstrong> so i piggybacked and got an IP myself
[17:19:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> smooth
[17:20:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> static ips are pretty handy at home. never had one except at work or the servers for SN
[17:20:51] <LancePodstrong> i'm pretty stoked. i don't even know what i'm going to do with it. i set up my own mail service and i run web hosting for my step dads business
[17:20:57] <LancePodstrong> but i feel like i could be capitalizing on it a bit more
[17:21:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> snag up a domain name for starters
[17:21:22] <LancePodstrong> yeah i have one of those, and an ssl cert for it too
[17:21:26] <LancePodstrong> el cheapo cert
[17:21:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> nice. not wildcard then?
[17:21:37] <LancePodstrong> no :(
[17:21:41] <LancePodstrong> www and plain
[17:21:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> us either yet. still some paperwork to figure out.
[17:22:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> mostly that the domain name is still currently held by one of the directors of our board instead of being transferred to the site's corporation.
[17:23:12] <LancePodstrong> that sucks
[17:23:33] <LancePodstrong> is soylent able to provide for your income?
[17:23:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, we been getting around to figuring out how we want to handle the transfer of ownership, just haven't gotten it done.
[17:23:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> for itself or to pay me?
[17:23:59] <LancePodstrong> either
[17:24:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> pays for itself we think. hard to tell until we either go a year and run out of money or don't.
[17:25:05] <LancePodstrong> awesome
[17:25:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> not nearly enough for paying staff though.
[17:25:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's a funding meter up on the front page that we should have reset at the first of the year. shows what we've taken in to date.
[17:25:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> like $3k or so.
[17:26:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's a couple months out of date though.
[17:27:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's kinda tough to keep a site afloat solely on subscriptions. specially when they're $20/year
[17:27:43] <LancePodstrong> i can imagine
[17:27:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> but we keep gaining users, so here's hoping.
[17:27:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> !uid
[17:27:53] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5028, owned by skoink
[17:28:26] <LancePodstrong> i was looking at maybe selling email addresses on my server for $10 a year, hoping to attract customers because it's local and no adbots crawling through emails. but it seems like that might not work out well
[17:28:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> that many registered users. several times that in anonymous traffic. a lot less are subscribers though.
[17:29:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, most people would just use gmail or some such. geek friends or such might be interested though.
[17:30:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> either way, it's handy for your personal mail as long as the server doesn't go down.
[17:32:24] <LancePodstrong> sure is, i love it already. k9mail on android for a nice imap client and it works just like the gmail app or any other
[17:32:35] <LancePodstrong> plus i can ssh tunnel around blocked ports from other locations
[17:32:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep yep
[17:33:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> me, i'd probably use a personal server as a fileserver for my lan. have several boxes that i been meaning to do that with, just haven't yet.
[17:36:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> sorry man, i gotta bail. need to get a nap in to refresh the brain so i can find and destroy the bug that's blocking us from updating the site.
[17:36:30] <LancePodstrong> sleep well, thanks for letting me pick your brain
[17:36:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep. see ya around.
[17:54:14] <swiss> http://codepad.org
[17:54:15] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03PHP code- 8 lines - codepad
[18:13:22] <chromas> Maybe it maths the numbers and ignores the rest
[18:13:52] <swiss> yeah, it does
[18:13:53] <chromas> That makes it a smartass
[18:13:54] <swiss> but still
[18:15:47] <chromas> There's a secret class dictionary that tells it chickens and geese are bird subsets. Php is watching over you
[18:16:26] <chromas> exec: dawn your mustache, big bro
[18:16:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hackers in Havana Build Computer Network Despite Government Ban - http://sylnt.us - hacking-as-hacking-was-intended-to-be
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[19:00:37] <ar> "snake-pit driven development. you take someone from ops, someone from dev, you give them 20 hours to write and deploy a simple service, if they can't do it, throw them into the snake pit"
[19:44:34] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[19:44:35] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03The Effect of Browser In PaperLike: E Ink Monitor by Dasung Tech - YouTube
[19:44:36] <SirFinkus> I want one
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[20:18:16] <swiss> i want one too
[20:18:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - IBM "Expected to Cut 26% of Workforce with over 111,000 Layoffs" - http://sylnt.us - big-iron-versus-fluffy-cloud
[21:05:30] <crutchy> work--
[21:05:30] <Bender> karma - work: -11
[21:06:00] <crutchy> Bender, s/iron/government/
[21:06:13] <crutchy> derp
[21:37:06] <LancePodstrong> https://www.youtube.com
[21:37:07] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03The Computer Chronicles: UNIX (1985) - YouTube
[21:48:01] * juggs peeks in
[21:48:18] <LancePodstrong> ahoi
[21:48:27] <juggs> hola LancePodstrong
[21:49:25] <LancePodstrong> i'm watching this 1985 UNIX show
[21:49:33] <LancePodstrong> it's pretty great
[21:50:35] <juggs> Sounds interesting
[21:51:22] <LancePodstrong> cutting edge 1985 technology
[21:52:12] <LancePodstrong> they keep talking about how UNIX is known for user unfriendliness and what work is going on to improve it lol
[21:53:12] <juggs> I never found it unfriendly, just had to rtfm
[21:54:14] <LancePodstrong> apparently X didn't exist in 1985? or was being developed?
[21:59:34] <LancePodstrong> "UNIX is a user hostile operating system dramatically short on software. That's my opinion. I'm Paul Schindler."
[22:00:30] <LancePodstrong> but i agree, between google and the manual i've never run into anything i couldn't solve
[22:08:37] <chromas> Did Paul Schindler make a list?
[22:09:14] <LancePodstrong> hahahaha
[22:09:29] <chromas> Also, systemd
[22:09:38] <chromas> :D
[22:19:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Homebuilt 6502-Based Computer - http://sylnt.us - when-I-was-a-boy.....
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