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[00:03:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Competing Communications Constellations Considered - http://sylnt.us - cloud-above-the-clouds
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[00:12:45] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v TheMightyBuzzard] by juggler
[00:22:09] <JamesNZ> \o TheMightyBuzzard
[00:22:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> heyas
[00:56:46] <geotti> http://us.msi.com this, but with skylake
[00:56:47] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03MSI USA WS60
[00:57:17] <geotti> Good night, people
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[01:03:27] <SpallsHurgenson> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[01:03:27] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03BMW: ADMEN have asked us for YOUR connected car DATA • The Register
[01:03:59] <SpallsHurgenson> SOMEBODY likes to USE capitalization in their TOPICS :)
[01:10:54] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, evil.
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[01:34:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Man Dies in Taiwan after 3-day Online Gaming Binge - http://sylnt.us - extra-life
[01:34:46] <SpallsHurgenson> remember to empty your poop-sock regularly!
[01:35:08] <Konomi> "eww"
[01:35:53] <Konomi> if he got first place at least he went out on a high ;p
[01:37:59] <BadCoderFinger> Those diapers get mighty full.
[02:18:09] <juggs> That's an unpleasant thought
[02:21:32] <Konomi> just remember it's nothing to do with social inequalities it's obviously his fault he spent his whole time in a gaming cafe while unemployed! \o/
[02:21:37] * Konomi hides
[02:21:42] <Konomi> some of the comments urked me ;p
[02:22:07] <Konomi> also they said the security camera footage for the net cafe showed him struggling
[02:22:16] <Konomi> you'd think someone would notice someone spasming at a computer
[02:22:51] <juggs> Sounds like a cheap way to occupy the mind whilst unemployed. But yeh - a 3 day straight binge of anything with no sleep is never going to end well. :(
[02:22:54] <SpallsHurgenson> maybe they thought he found some really good wankin' material?
[02:23:02] <Konomi> probably got desperate
[02:23:11] <Konomi> I also hate the fact they blame the 3 day gaming spree
[02:23:17] <Konomi> maybe he just got unlucky and that was heart attack day
[02:23:26] <Konomi> the article mentions him doing it in the past
[02:23:52] <Konomi> I mean statistically when people spend a lot of time at their PCs how likely is it just from coincdence than an actual health risk they die at the keyboard?
[02:25:03] <juggs> Just sitting for so long so often is not exactly known for it's health benefits. Regardless the activity.
[02:25:11] <Konomi> plus it's also another asian country and they seem to love to latch onto use of computers as some sort of sickness
[02:25:24] <juggs> Maybe it is
[02:25:47] <SpallsHurgenson> http://www.computerworld.com
[02:25:48] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03The NSA not only creates, but also hijacks, malware with Quantumbot | Computerworld
[02:26:20] <juggs> Not the first time I've heard of someone keeling over during an epic gaming binge though.
[02:26:37] <Konomi> yeah how many do it vs how many die doing it?
[02:26:52] <Konomi> I can maybe recall 10 times I read about someone dieing on a computer binge
[02:26:59] <Konomi> I know a lot of people who do it though
[02:27:34] <Konomi> and I bet if it happened in usa it wouldn't make for a new aritcle ;p
[02:27:39] <Konomi> news*
[02:30:36] <juggs> well no - but then untold how many aren't being gunned down in the street by law enforcement in Taiwan... so just maybe it is newsworthy there as not much else untoward happens in a strictly ordered society.
[02:31:33] <Konomi> could be
[02:31:41] <Konomi> still seems like there's an agenda behind it to me ;p
[02:34:36] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm pretty sure it's the illuminati behind it, as usual
[02:37:41] <Konomi> Lizard Men imo
[02:37:51] <Konomi> also
[02:37:53] <Konomi> http://www.citylab.com
[02:37:53] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Removing Fish From a Surreal Abandoned Shopping Mall - CityLab
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[02:40:56] <SpallsHurgenson> Earthlings are weird.
[02:41:23] <Konomi> give them time sure they can get weirder
[02:43:13] <SpallsHurgenson> I mean, who would want to live in a shopping mall?
[02:43:44] <Konomi> cause fwee fish
[03:00:36] <juggs> I'm not seeing anything about people living there - just coming in to feed the fish. Presumably they catch them and sell them on the local markets or something ~shrug~
[03:01:27] <Konomi> sell them and call them the rare breed of "Mall Fish"
[03:02:22] <juggs> Here they would be "Locally caught / Fresh / Organic / Never Frozen" etc. Ain't marketing great :D
[03:04:42] <Konomi> hehe
[03:05:17] <juggs> Not that I'm cynical or anything
[03:08:02] * juggs wonders if renewing the ircd cert and rehashing will cause everyone to get booted off :/ Where's xlefay when ya need him?
[03:10:02] <Konomi> do it anyway \o/
[03:16:12] <chromas> self-signed cert, sir!
[03:19:41] <juggs> going to have to be at this point. Thinking about ECDSA. But not entirely sure how good client support is for that
[03:25:18] <chromas> New project: SoylentCerts
[03:27:03] <juggs> ~sigh~ wildcard cert would be great really - still not there though.
[03:35:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Meteorites were Byproducts of Planetary Formation, not Building Blocks - http://sylnt.us - billiards-of-the-gods
[03:44:25] <juggs> Time for me to hit the hay - be well all. :)
[03:47:43] <Konomi> be well john sparten
[03:47:43] <ciri> where you going? Konomi
[03:47:43] <Konomi> ;p
[03:47:51] <Konomi> no where you stupid bot >.>
[03:53:29] * SpallsHurgenson stretches
[04:02:21] * Konomi gets the duct tape
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[04:09:08] * Bytram is playing with <sarc> and <sarcasm> on dev =)
[04:09:19] <Bytram> http://dev.soylentnews.org
[04:09:19] <Hedonismbot> ^ 0304SN (dev) Submission by martyb: sarcasm - HTML Only
[04:09:25] <Bytram> http://dev.soylentnews.org
[04:09:26] <Hedonismbot> ^ 0304SN (dev) Submission by martyb: sarcasm - Plain Old Text
[04:10:49] <Bytram> !uid
[04:10:50] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5020, owned by Soybean
[04:10:54] <Bytram> LOL!
[04:10:55] <chromas> that's really sarcastic
[04:11:07] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: greetings!
[04:12:56] * Bytram has never seen so many < and > entities in one place before
[04:17:18] * Konomi hugs the channel and runs off
[04:17:43] <Bytram> Konomi: thank-you!
[04:17:52] <Konomi> drive by huggin's
[04:18:08] * Bytram was looking at the editorial preview of the above two stories he submitted.
[04:19:17] <Bytram> I'll admit it appears to be doing the right thing... but... it sure looks NASTY in the editorial preview pane!
[04:20:08] <Bytram> story 1: http://dev.soylentnews.org
[04:20:09] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN (dev) article: sarcasm - HTML Only
[04:20:20] <Bytram> story 2: http://dev.soylentnews.org
[04:20:20] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN (dev) article: sarcasm - Plain Old Text
[04:29:28] <SpallsHurgenson> <sarcasm>that's really interesting, Bytram</sarcasm>
[04:29:42] <Bytram> LOL!
[04:39:24] <SpallsHurgenson> <sigh> I'm a bad american... I WANT to spend my money fruitlessly, but I can't find anything I like and don't already own.
[04:39:46] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm not racking up debt; please don't kick me out of the country!
[04:43:56] * Bytram offers a SpallsHurgenson a few <sarc> tags
[04:45:12] * SpallsHurgenson prefers the higher-quality <sarcasm> tags
[04:49:03] * chromas calls the consumerism police
[05:04:35] <SpallsHurgenson> actually, my earlier statement wasn't entirely accurate... there are useless gimcracks I'm interested in; I just don't wanna pay as much as they are charging for 'em 'cause I'm pretty sure they aren't worth that much :)
[05:06:36] <chromas> Well, scope out this deal, yo! Check it. We're having a 99% off everything sale
[05:07:21] <chromas> Get yourself an LED toilet paper dispenser for just $39.99
[05:07:45] <SpallsHurgenson> original price $4000?
[05:08:08] <chromas> can you believe I was trying to work out the math on that?
[05:08:11] * chromas hangs head in shame
[05:09:13] <chromas> Plus the crash helmet, plus a box of [adhesive medical strips]
[05:12:00] <SpallsHurgenson> why would I want a helmet that makes me crash?
[05:13:42] <chromas> crashing is cool now
[05:14:36] * SpallsHurgenson reinstalls WindowsME
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[05:47:14] * Konomi burns the ME disc
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[05:49:21] <swiss> why not MH4 for Wii U :(
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[05:59:25] <ar> http://kukuruku.co - whoah. you can craft RSA certificates from which it is possible to extract the private key if you know the public key.
[05:59:26] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Backdoor in a Public RSA Key / Information Security / Kukuruku / Technology Hub
[06:00:10] <crutchy> why am i not surprised?
[06:07:12] * Bytram just noticed the time and needs to get some sleep.
[06:07:36] <Bytram> g'night everyone!
[06:07:39] <Bytram> !uid
[06:07:39] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5020, owned by Soybean
[06:07:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google Thinks the Insurance Industry Ripe for Disruption - http://sylnt.us - google-risk
[06:08:03] <Bytram> we broke 5K, and still climbing!
[06:08:07] <Bytram> !woop
[06:08:07] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[06:08:12] <Bytram> and with that...
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[06:08:22] <crutchy> http://kukuruku.co
[06:08:23] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Hacked. A Short Story. / Information Security / Kukuruku / Technology Hub
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[06:09:35] <JamesNZ> latex++
[06:09:35] <Bender> karma - latex: 3
[06:19:18] <Konomi> should've an debsums
[06:19:19] <Konomi> silly admin
[06:19:23] <Konomi> ran*
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[06:19:49] <Konomi> "debsums checks the MD5 sums of installed debian packages."
[06:21:52] * Konomi np: Jeremy Rifkin - The Empathic Civilization _ Ross Institute Summer Academy 2010 [3EZv9H62xm0] [YouTube 18 - 640x360].mp4 :: 456M :: MPlayer/2 UNKNOWN
[06:24:37] <Konomi> http://paste.ofcode.org
[06:24:38] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Paste ofCode
[06:25:56] <chromas> you used the nvidia installer?
[06:26:13] <Konomi> yes I use the nvidia bins
[06:27:20] <Konomi> the ones in testing are same as mine though at the moment it wasn't always so though ;p
[06:28:38] <ar> huh
[06:28:50] <ar> i have not used the nvidia installer in over 11 years
[06:29:02] <Konomi> and?
[06:29:30] <chromas> are you still using the same card?
[06:29:33] <ar> you've just brought back the horrid visions of past
[06:29:56] <Konomi> chromas: yeah I had to switch back when debian had a fatal error in the drivers but never updated it for months
[06:30:04] <Konomi> so I just went to the bins never bothered to go back
[06:31:24] <chromas> have you tried the make package option? seems like it never worked right for me
[06:31:40] <Konomi> can't be bothered easier to just run the bins
[06:32:02] <Konomi> the nvidia driver has stablised more in the 3x branch though
[06:32:14] <Konomi> specially since they started having long release cycle versions
[06:32:20] <Konomi> before that though in 2x it was a mess
[06:34:25] <Konomi> there was also a maintainer spat awhile back where they broke libgl 32 bit for amd64 systems
[06:34:35] <ar> i never said i don't use nvidia or amd binary drivers
[06:34:51] <Konomi> "it's not our package fault!" "it's not ours!" 6 months later they work it out
[06:34:56] <ar> i just said that the installer was horrible in the old days and messed-up system libraries
[06:36:09] <Konomi> still does that since they don't package it
[06:44:22] <crutchy> do americans think the state of the union address is a big wank?
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[06:44:41] <crutchy> i'm just an upside down aussie, but it seems like a big wank
[06:45:03] <Konomi> any politican talking is a wank to you crutchy ;p
[06:45:22] <crutchy> Konomi, you know me so well :d
[06:45:57] <Konomi> and it's mostly true
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[06:46:09] <Konomi> it's more useful to compare the speeches over time to see what little details change
[06:46:16] <Konomi> that's the information that is worth looking at
[06:46:29] <crutchy> http://www.theonion.com
[06:46:29] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03‘Well, Here’s What Won’t Pass,’ Obama Says Before Listing 35 Proposals | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
[06:46:40] <crutchy> i was kinda interested to see if this was true
[06:46:46] <crutchy> can't find a youtube of it
[06:47:15] <Konomi> he apparently mentioned the full lgbt community in teh speech which was a first ever
[06:47:15] <crutchy> a 2 and a half minute speech by a politician... priceless
[06:47:29] <Konomi> and somehow managed to squeeze drones in a sentence just before it...
[06:47:54] <Konomi> I won't be paying much attention to it besdies what little details came out
[06:48:11] <Konomi> unless someone side by sides it with 5 other speeches from the past and notes the subtle new/different ways topics are handled
[06:48:33] <crutchy> big wank i tells ya
[06:48:48] <crutchy> i wish we had ron paul as PM
[06:48:56] <crutchy> he was no bullshit
[06:48:59] <Konomi> he'd just be another wank too
[06:49:06] <Konomi> no one buys into their full political agenda
[06:49:25] <Konomi> "I really like this but here's what's wrong with it!"
[06:49:34] <crutchy> most people are retarded
[06:49:38] <Konomi> yeah that'll get you elected and please your voters ;p
[06:50:09] <crutchy> ron paul understands shit that most politicians and most voters have nfi about
[06:50:22] <Konomi> they're just doing what the masses want anyway
[06:50:40] <crutchy> when he mentions austrian and keynesian economics, mostly he gets blank stares
[06:50:45] <Konomi> ron paul seems like someone who tows the line just as well as any other politican I've heard speak
[06:50:55] <Konomi> it's just a different line
[06:50:55] <crutchy> he created the line
[06:51:13] <Konomi> well the voting public in most countries are stupid
[06:51:14] <crutchy> ron paul is tea party patient zero
[06:51:15] <Konomi> for example!
[06:51:21] * Konomi digs in browser history
[06:51:46] <Konomi> and this one is for us crutchy \o/
[06:51:53] <Konomi> http://i.imgur.com
[06:52:11] <Konomi> that's your average australian voter thar
[06:52:15] * crutchy sighs
[06:52:21] <crutchy> yeah you got that right
[06:52:38] <Konomi> "Pauline Hanson" - gag
[06:52:49] <Konomi> "president" - there are just no fucking words now
[06:52:50] <Konomi> ;p
[06:52:57] <crutchy> i don't necessarily agree with her policies, but at least she was upfront
[06:53:08] <Konomi> yes we need more politicans like her
[06:53:21] <Konomi> they sooner they show their shitty side the sooner they can be mocked out of politics ;p
[06:53:32] <crutchy> anyone who bucks the system gets forced out regardless of what they believe
[06:53:41] <Konomi> pretty much true
[06:53:59] <Konomi> gotta train the dogooders to be slimey
[06:54:05] <Konomi> get in then start injecting their ideas
[06:54:08] <Konomi> \o/
[06:54:35] <Konomi> makes you wonder if enough people got together and organised that if they could do it
[06:54:52] <Konomi> just have the candidate propped up lie their arse off get in do what they really want then get elected out
[06:54:58] <Konomi> then new name new candidate next term
[06:55:01] <crutchy> rand paul may get 2016 in the states
[06:55:02] <Konomi> rinse wash and repeat
[06:55:15] <Konomi> he won't too many logical arguements
[06:55:21] <Konomi> people go for the emotive arguements
[06:55:31] <crutchy> he's much better speaker than his old man
[06:56:00] <Konomi> scott lundam is an awesome speaker here but never gets past the local WA government seat so x.x
[06:56:13] <crutchy> ron was a bit of an old fart. he knows his shit but he had trouble articulating it sometimes
[06:56:20] <Konomi> also usa is much much more of a two horse race than our system is
[06:56:27] <crutchy> true dat
[06:56:39] <Konomi> ron paul was here he'd probably get somewhere
[06:57:02] <crutchy> he might. he got pretty far even in the corrupted heart of america
[06:57:50] <crutchy> tea party is getting fucked up by people twisting it to suit their own agendas but it sure is disrupting the system
[06:58:11] <Konomi> ah the shovel
[06:58:13] <Konomi> always a good laugh
[06:58:15] <Konomi> http://www.theshovel.com.au
[06:58:15] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Government To Legislate Against Further Temperature Rises After Record Hot Year ? The Shovel
[06:58:38] <crutchy> wow. lookout mother nature. you might be gunna get fined :d
[06:58:54] <crutchy> or even sent to jail :D
[06:59:29] <Konomi> speaking of creepy things
[06:59:30] <Konomi> http://www.smh.com.au
[06:59:32] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Christopher Pyne's offer to reverse university cuts fails to win support for deregulation
[06:59:40] <Konomi> god pyne is a creepy looking little man
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[07:00:06] <crutchy> i don't know much about our politicians. they're all stupid
[07:00:14] <crutchy> :D
[07:00:15] <Konomi> he's the one on the right
[07:00:25] <Konomi> the one who looks like he could smile while sticking a knife in you
[07:00:51] <Konomi> which is probably what he does to most people politically
[07:01:39] <crutchy> "Universities have strongly opposed the 20 per cent cut and said that it would force the increase of fees under a deregulated system."
[07:01:51] <crutchy> lol. they know they're so full of shit
[07:02:03] <crutchy> i fucking hate universities too
[07:02:25] <Konomi> can't tell if business or school looks more like a business to me ~
[07:02:30] <crutchy> if they raised their fees they would lose paying bums in seats
[07:02:58] <crutchy> universities are the biggest dole bludgers of the lot
[07:05:12] <crutchy> might torment ciri in the batcave for a bit :D
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[07:09:18] <crutchy> ++coffee
[07:09:18] <Hedonismbot> Karma - coffee: 230
[07:12:52] <ar> hyngh
[07:12:53] <ar> D=`stat $DESTDIR/$x|grep Modify|awk '{print $2}'|cut -c -9|sed 's/-//gi'`;
[07:13:05] <ar> why do people do things like this?
[07:13:47] <crutchy> so they can communicate with r2d2?
[07:14:10] <Konomi> eww
[07:14:53] <Konomi> 3 parsing tools lol
[07:14:54] <ciri> 4
[07:14:55] <ciri> 5
[07:14:57] <ciri> 6
[07:14:58] <Konomi> couldn't they figure out how to do it with one?
[07:14:59] <ciri> 7
[07:15:01] <ciri> 8
[07:15:03] <ciri> 9
[07:15:05] <ciri> 10!
[07:15:09] * crutchy was about to do ~eval stat, but thought maybe should try in a terminal for fear of a flood fest
[07:15:32] <crutchy> oh
[07:15:39] <crutchy> ~eval stat
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[07:15:51] <crutchy> stupid bot
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[07:16:48] <Konomi> doesn't come back on it's own ;p ?
[07:17:25] * crutchy is still trying to figure out what all that awky-greppy-seddy stuff does
[07:17:49] <Konomi> find a line with Modify in it
[07:17:59] <Konomi> print the second string using space as a token
[07:18:09] <Konomi> I can't remember what cut does ;p
[07:18:17] <Konomi> sed is just removing the - character
[07:18:26] <Konomi> why they added i on the end is beyond me though
[07:18:31] <Konomi> symbols don't have case...
[07:18:41] <Konomi> g is just for greedy/repeative match
[07:19:09] * crutchy tries the whole lot on /etc
[07:19:32] <Konomi> grep to awk to tr would've been better
[07:19:52] <Konomi> or bash string maniulation
[07:20:02] <Konomi> lots of people are just used to using this stuff though
[07:20:57] <crutchy> didn't work properly on my test
[07:21:05] <crutchy> missed the last digit of the date
[07:21:35] <crutchy> assuming its trying to get the date, less the dashes
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[07:23:05] <crutchy> the cut command seems to delete the last character of the date :/
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[07:23:27] <crutchy> ~eval stat /etc|grep Modify|awk '{print $2}'|cut -c -9|sed 's/-//gi'
[07:23:28] <exec> 2015012
[07:23:45] <arti> there's a date in my boot.
[07:23:45] <crutchy> ~eval stat /etc|grep Modify|awk '{print $2}'|sed 's/-//gi'
[07:23:46] <exec> 20150121
[07:23:58] <crutchy> take the cut out and you get the entire date
[07:24:37] <crutchy> somebody poisoned the awk hole
[07:26:12] <arti> http://imgur.com
[07:26:12] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Found this beautful animation today - Imgur
[07:28:31] <crutchy> this one from the comments looks pretty cool too: http://i.imgur.com
[07:30:39] <arti> i like that one too
[07:30:49] <Konomi> stat /sbin/init | grep '^Modify:' | awk '{print $2}' | tr -d -
[07:30:53] <Konomi> nicer way
[07:31:42] <ar> no, that's still bad
[07:31:49] <Konomi> why?
[07:31:49] <ar> you shouldn't grep stat output
[07:32:10] <Konomi> again why?
[07:32:24] <arti> 8ball should we grep stat output
[07:32:25] <ciri> arti, Never.
[07:32:31] <arti> it is known.
[07:32:32] <ar> because it's a human-readble output and thus is subject to change at will
[07:32:48] <Konomi> awk and grep are always working on human readable output
[07:32:51] <Konomi> and that is always an issue.
[07:33:06] <ar> if you want to parse the output of stat, pass and option to stat to make sure it outputs stuff in specified way
[07:33:10] <ar> D="$(date '+%Y%m%d' --date="$(stat -c '%y' "${DESTDIR}/${x}")")"
[07:33:26] <Konomi> well I've never grepped stat before so I never checked for that ;p
[07:33:34] <arti> ar++
[07:33:34] <Bender> karma - ar: 8
[07:33:37] <arti> ar++
[07:33:37] <Bender> karma - ar: 9
[07:33:41] <arti> two snacks for that gem.
[07:33:42] <Konomi> I was looking for a way to write the original more cleanly not make up for the short comings ;p
[07:34:08] <Konomi> -t option looks nicer btw
[07:34:41] <ar> still not something i'd rely upon
[07:35:16] <Konomi> returns the value in seconds since epoch
[07:36:41] <ar> yes, but that's still not something where you explicitly told stat to use a specified output format
[07:36:48] <ar> and thus, it's more prone to bugs
[07:38:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - *AA's at It Again? - http://sylnt.us - whack-a-mole
[07:39:02] <Konomi> there's only so much time you should spend worrying about bugs like that
[07:39:19] <Konomi> specially when the man file states stat might not even be the version you expect at the console
[07:39:55] <Konomi> better to validate the output than try to find every single length you can go to to make sure that the output is what you want
[07:40:02] <ar> doesn't here
[07:40:12] <Konomi> NOTE: your shell may have its own version of stat, which usually supersedes the version described here.
[07:40:15] <Konomi> Please refer to your shell's documentation for details about the options it supports.
[07:40:41] <ar> what coreutils version do you have installed?
[07:40:44] <ar> GNU coreutils 8.23
[07:40:54] <Konomi> 8.23
[07:41:28] <Konomi> it's both in the manual file and stat --help
[07:44:09] <ar> oh, right. missed it, because "NOTE:" wasn't outlined like "AUTHOR" and the rest of it
[07:47:25] <Konomi> I had the thought it would be ironic if older/stripped down versions of stat lacked -c and --terse in which case the original code would not fail and using those would
[07:52:01] <Konomi> I'm still not sure why bash caught on tbh it's much slower than say perl python etc
[07:52:42] <Konomi> too much effort for older scripts I guess
[07:55:28] <ar> because you can just copy-paste stuff from your ~/.bash_history, i guess
[07:56:19] <Konomi> seems like sh got bloated though and used for things that would've been better in other languages
[07:56:25] <Konomi> well sh-isms
[08:02:28] <crutchy> ~eval date '+%Y%m%d' --date="$(stat -c '%y' "/etc")"
[08:02:29] <exec> 20150121
[08:03:41] <crutchy> i imagine the grepped one would be easier to tell that you're getting the right thing
[08:03:59] <Konomi> both are okay
[08:04:15] <Konomi> it's more important to check after the fact you got a result than the way you do it ;p
[08:04:33] <Konomi> or check the exit code
[08:04:54] <crutchy> if i did it ar's proper way i'd still run stat /etc to make sure it gave me the right output
[08:05:01] <crutchy> for testing
[08:05:31] <Konomi> generally for bash my rule is try to do it accurate find the fastest way check the result ;p
[08:05:40] <Konomi> accurately*
[08:06:06] <Konomi> you can never be sure you'll get the output you want when it comes to calling and parsing the output of other programs
[08:06:08] <crutchy> my way is generally... throw a bunch of shit at the wall, see what sticks, run with that :D
[08:06:40] <crutchy> its a bit easier to debug human-readable stuff though
[08:06:42] <crutchy> imho
[08:06:56] <Konomi> depends on your mindset I find both pretty equal
[08:07:34] <crutchy> if i'm coding at work (like i was today) i'm generally an overhead so the rule becomes 'hurry up and just make it work'
[08:07:55] <Konomi> true for lots of programmers ;p
[08:08:25] <crutchy> if i'm programmering it means i'm not engineering means i'm not bringing in dosh
[08:08:35] <crutchy> managers don't tend to like that much
[08:09:03] <Konomi> yep you have to be a good little cogg ;p
[08:10:05] <Konomi> ah captchas my personal venting space
[08:10:13] <crutchy> we have a gitlab server at work. it's a pretty nice little setup now. took a while to make it happen cos most of it was done on the sly
[08:10:35] <crutchy> ew who uses captchas?
[08:11:41] <arti> konomi
[08:12:03] <crutchy> nah she just grabs
[08:12:21] <crutchy> i have to wear a chastity belt now :d
[08:12:27] <crutchy> for protection
[08:12:51] <Konomi> I don't want to grab anything of yours crutchy ;p
[08:13:02] <crutchy> oh wow. date is a nice little utility
[08:13:14] <crutchy> never eeven knew it existered
[08:13:19] <Konomi> someone doesn't spend much time in the shell
[08:13:30] <crutchy> true
[08:13:47] <crutchy> shells are dark and scary
[08:14:19] <Konomi> that's why I hang out in them you get to be more edgey
[08:14:33] * crutchy wonders what other little gems are but a few informed keystrokes away
[08:14:54] * crutchy runs help
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[08:22:10] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[08:22:11] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03The Sarkeesian Effect: A Measured Response - YouTube
[08:22:15] <Konomi> needs more skulls
[08:26:41] <Konomi> is news.ycombinator.com worth reading?
[08:27:03] <SirFinkus> sometimes
[08:28:14] <Konomi> "puts in unsorted bookmarks"
[08:28:33] <Konomi> that's where I put my bookmarks when I don't know if I want them
[08:28:48] <Konomi> when I get bored enough I'll resort to that evil directory
[08:28:53] <SirFinkus> it's kind of slashdotty, but unmoderated and more shit about startups
[08:29:01] <Konomi> hmm
[08:29:03] <Konomi> probably not then
[08:29:10] <Konomi> will put it there anyway
[08:29:21] <SirFinkus> they have some pretty technical things sometimes though, math stuff too
[08:30:24] <Konomi> I really am wondering if this guy has one skull and moves it between each shot he films
[08:31:01] <SirFinkus> or maybe the skull moves itself
[08:31:08] <Konomi> den den deeeeeenn
[08:32:00] <SirFinkus> neat story I just saw on news.ycombinator.com http://www.frantone.com
[08:32:01] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03The Apollo Saturn V LVDC Project
[08:34:31] <crutchy> there was a guy that made an AGC too
[08:34:36] <crutchy> somewhere
[08:34:41] <Konomi> that is pretty cool
[08:35:32] <crutchy> this guy: https://ve2cuy.wordpress.com
[08:35:33] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Apollo Guidance Computer | ve2cuy
[08:35:37] <Konomi> https://imgur.com
[08:35:38] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03[ARM hardware]Novena Kosagi desktop board - Imgur
[08:36:19] <SirFinkus> oh yeah, I saw that
[08:36:22] <SirFinkus> neat as fuck
[08:36:24] <crutchy> my wife bought me a book about the AGC as a birthday present a few years back. she knows me too well :d
[08:36:54] <SirFinkus> there's a better post about it though, let me find it
[08:37:50] <crutchy> the one with the grey background that looks like it was made with hotdog in the 90's?
[08:38:00] <SirFinkus> http://klabs.org
[08:38:00] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Block I Apollo Guidance Computer (AGC): How to build one in your basement
[08:38:02] <SirFinkus> this one
[08:38:15] <crutchy> haha yeah that's the one :p
[08:38:29] <SirFinkus> the shittier the website looks, the better the info on it for this kind of stuff
[08:38:38] <crutchy> in this case, definitely :D
[08:38:46] <Konomi> https://imgur.com
[08:38:47] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Anti-hacker propaganda at my workplace - Imgur
[08:38:49] <Konomi> okay then
[08:39:11] <crutchy> ooook
[08:39:15] <Konomi> oh wow
[08:39:19] <Konomi> it has dhs and fbi logos?
[08:39:23] <Konomi> that's offical...
[08:39:26] * Konomi falls over
[08:40:12] <Konomi> apparently "he" is after your passwords so if we are to believe the poster anyone female will be safe from dhs/fbi
[08:41:10] <arti> What do you call an indian food fight?
[08:41:18] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[08:41:19] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Crazy Smart - YouTube
[08:41:19] <Konomi> racially insenstive?
[08:41:20] <arti> NAAN VIOLENCE
[08:41:26] <SirFinkus> is this real?
[08:41:32] <crutchy> i don't get it
[08:41:38] <Konomi> me either actually
[08:41:42] <arti> naan is a type of bread.
[08:41:45] <crutchy> ~define NAAN
[08:41:47] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3naan: To inflict punishment onto ones self, for acts, either real or percieved, in which verbal abuse is not enough.
[08:41:53] <arti> !g garlic naan
[08:41:53] <ciri> 748,000 results | garlic naan, garlic naan on stove top and oven, garlic naan recipe @ http://www.vegrecipesofindia.com | Images for garlic naan | Naan Recipe - Allrecipes.com @ http://allrecipes.com | Garlic Naan Recipe - WeRecipes @ http://werecipes.com | Butter Garlic Naan without Tandoor/Oven - Binjal's VEG Kitchen @
[08:41:54] <ciri> http://www.binjalsvegkitchen.com
[08:41:58] <Konomi> apparently it's whipping yourself
[08:42:09] <Konomi> maybe with bread
[08:42:14] <arti> -_-
[08:42:16] <SirFinkus> this guy with the ridiculous hair is reading your email
[08:42:20] <arti> this is why you don't grep human readable output
[08:42:23] <crutchy> oh you're turning me on :D
[08:42:26] <Konomi> that ad needs a remix
[08:42:34] <Konomi> "It's a group of people violating your privacy"
[08:42:49] <crutchy> tama, privacy is another name for vagina
[08:43:11] <arti> i like the computer scientist's jib
[08:43:12] <Konomi> machine code we deal with that
[08:43:17] <Konomi> your firmware we deal with that too
[08:43:17] <SirFinkus> mathematician lady is kind of cute though
[08:43:25] <crutchy> !grab Konomi
[08:43:25] <Bender> Added quote 353
[08:43:52] <Konomi> now you're going to implement SN in some sort of rumor that we're going after peoples firmware
[08:45:08] <Konomi> SirFinkus: this video really wants to make me puke
[08:45:23] <SirFinkus> yeah, fuck the NSA
[08:45:45] <Konomi> it's made out to be how smart and nice they are while they're fucking over every general user
[08:45:48] <Konomi> fuck them
[08:45:49] <arti> apparently with the occupation you get +1 to haircolors
[08:45:52] <Konomi> >.<
[08:46:20] <SirFinkus> I can kind of understand the appeal of working for them, assuming you have no moral compass
[08:46:50] <Konomi> someone should make it a story on SN I'd love to give my opinion of how much I hate them in text too
[08:46:53] <SirFinkus> I mean, the kinds of problems they're solving really are only something you'd get to work on working for the State
[08:47:05] <crutchy> https://imgur.com
[08:47:05] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03seeing the world through social anxiety, via College Humor - Imgur
[08:47:11] <crutchy> i know this feeling :/
[08:56:30] <Konomi> ha someone else just pasted me that crutchy
[08:56:34] <Konomi> can relate to it too
[08:57:05] <SirFinkus> its even more fun when it's 100% of the time
[09:03:23] <crutchy> hehe. holey shitbags
[09:03:24] <crutchy> http://mashable.com
[09:07:12] <arti> i was just looking at something related (animated) on imgur
[09:07:34] <crutchy> https://imgur.com
[09:07:34] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03A recap of tonight's State of the Union Address - Imgur
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[09:10:29] <Konomi> SirFinkus: it is all the time for me so >.<
[09:10:42] <Konomi> I seldom escape those feelings
[09:10:59] <SirFinkus> shit sux
[09:10:59] <ciri> shit? where is it? so noone steps in it!!!
[09:11:06] <SirFinkus> fuck you ciri
[09:11:13] <SirFinkus> you're the shit
[09:12:04] <SirFinkus> and not in the "you're awesome" sense, but "you are literally the excrement"
[09:13:34] <crutchy> lol @ ciri
[09:13:51] <crutchy> comes up with the odd oyster
[09:14:16] <arti> https://imgur.com
[09:14:17] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03You'll never feel lonely in the kitchen again when you have a little Nessie scoop for your soup. - Imgur
[09:14:39] <crutchy> creepy
[09:14:55] <crutchy> reminds me of a cobra
[09:16:17] <SirFinkus> yeah, fuck that
[09:16:58] <crutchy> zomg! https://imgur.com
[09:16:58] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Happy MLK - Imgur
[09:17:04] <crutchy> what is this "pornhub"?
[09:17:59] <SirFinkus> it's like redtube
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[09:26:51] <crutchy> oh that is nice: https://imgur.com
[09:26:52] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03I see cable porn put here, and I just don't want you all to forget about us welders. We have porn too! - Imgur
[09:27:05] <crutchy> very nice box
[09:27:34] <SirFinkus> nice beads
[09:28:01] <crutchy> i wish i knew how to weld
[09:28:39] <crutchy> i specify huge fkin welds on some vessel drawings and feel pity for the poor bastards who gotta weld it
[09:28:41] <SirFinkus> it's fun
[09:29:17] <SirFinkus> that one looks like aluminum, which is actually pretty difficult to weld on
[09:30:12] <crutchy> or maybe stainless
[09:30:33] <crutchy> or some weird magnesium alloy
[09:30:39] <SirFinkus> you need to keep the rod that's constantly being consumed about 4-5mm away from the metal, while you can't see shit
[09:30:50] <SirFinkus> then you need to manage a puddle of liquid metal
[09:31:11] <SirFinkus> occasionally, the liquid metal will be above your head
[09:31:24] <crutchy> sometimes in a confined space
[09:31:53] <SirFinkus> getting liquid steel in your shoe is no fun
[09:32:10] <crutchy> yeah fuck that. kudos to those who can do it. my nextdoor neighbour from when i was a kid became a boilermaker
[09:32:26] <crutchy> did some work for the v8 supercars
[09:32:39] <SirFinkus> naw, it's a lot of fun
[09:32:44] <SirFinkus> because fire is awesome
[09:33:54] <crutchy> the closest i've ever been to that sort of shit is operating a sandblasting cabinet cleaning corrosion off performance exhaust components
[09:34:25] <SirFinkus> that kind of thing can be fun too
[09:34:40] <crutchy> i only did it for a couple of days
[09:35:12] <crutchy> as a favour to a family friend
[09:36:57] <crutchy> https://imgur.com
[09:36:58] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03This guy - Imgur
[09:37:01] <crutchy> oh wow
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[09:40:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - LLDB is Coming to Windows - http://sylnt.us - bug-spray
[09:44:22] <crutchy> https://imgur.com
[09:44:23] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03I laughed harder than necessary - Imgur
[09:44:29] <crutchy> this made me laugh :)
[09:52:12] <crutchy> http://i.imgur.com
[09:52:16] <crutchy> this one didn't :(
[09:52:56] <SirFinkus> holy shit, I did
[09:56:51] <crutchy> https://i.imgur.com
[09:57:03] <crutchy> hehe. i'm so gunna be that dad :d
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[10:27:35] <swiss> i wish i knew how to weld
[10:27:37] <swiss> and had a welder
[10:27:41] <swiss> and had space to weld in
[11:06:57] <crutchy> there's also another kind of pr0nz that i'm susceptible to; valve amplifiers
[11:07:08] <crutchy> oh man they are so fucking awesome
[11:13:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:13:58] <Bender> karma - coffee: 987
[11:16:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://www.breitbart.com
[11:16:40] <Hedonismbot> ^ 031,700 Private Jets Fly to Davos to Discuss Global Warming - Breitbart
[11:41:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Julia Reda, the Only Pirate in the European Parliament, Weighs in on Copyright - http://sylnt.us - Copy?-Right!
[11:51:50] <Konomi> I just googled string string string 2
[11:51:56] <Konomi> string being whatever you can imagine
[11:52:08] <Konomi> google returned a result where the only matches in bold were the fucking 2!!!!
[11:52:10] * Konomi screams
[11:52:12] <Konomi> I want to kill google
[11:52:41] <swiss> use yahoo, start boycotting google
[11:53:11] <Konomi> can't tell if joking or trolling
[11:56:41] <swiss> why not both
[11:56:59] <swiss> however, i should be doing item "C"
[11:57:01] <swiss> sleeping
[12:05:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> busy chasing down an insane but minor bug here
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[12:58:50] * TheMightyBuzzard beats his head against the wall
[13:00:14] * Konomi pats TheMightyBuzzard
[13:00:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> soooo many map statements
[13:00:41] <Konomi> I was going to offer to help but you used the m word
[13:00:53] <Konomi> I hate maps
[13:02:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> me too
[13:02:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> i can see em being useful but it's a pita to go back to them ever again
[13:03:10] <Konomi> I never liked them
[13:03:32] <Konomi> coming from other languages they're one of thos functions you look at and go "wtf"
[13:04:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[13:04:33] <Konomi> TheMightyBuzzard: I recently fixed up my perl bot to handle disconnects by using IO::Select progressing a little bit on it ;p
[13:04:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> nice
[13:05:01] * TheMightyBuzzard tests again
[13:05:12] <Konomi> IO::Socket::INET and SSL both hang when there are connection problems
[13:05:21] <Konomi> despite them both having timeout values that never actually tiemout
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[13:09:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, all kinds of fun like that
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[13:11:17] <Konomi> hurt my head for awhile
[13:11:31] <Konomi> atm I poll the socket object with ioselect checdking can_read's return
[13:11:41] <Konomi> if it fails enough over a certain time I close the socket myself
[13:11:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha! ha and ha and ha!
[13:11:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> fudgeurl strikes again
[13:13:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Constructing Rich False Memories of Committing Crime - http://sylnt.us - good-old-days
[13:15:18] <Konomi> I really wish I'd written a lot more stuff in perl than in bash too in hindsight
[13:15:21] <Konomi> oh well ;p
[13:15:47] <Konomi> perls speed has impressed me a lot
[13:16:00] <Konomi> I never realised how fast it was when I was poking it in the past
[13:16:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, it's a lot faster than bash even if it ain't quite c fast
[13:16:15] <Konomi> it's awfully fast
[13:16:24] * Konomi digs through irc logs
[13:16:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> for text mangling it's the fastest thing you'll find
[13:17:19] <Konomi> 0.00030 seconds to execute my loop
[13:17:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> woot
[13:17:59] <Konomi> I have a hires timer for the the connection check makes things interesting
[13:18:10] * juggs wanders around aimlessly before poking Konomi in the leg and running off
[13:18:28] <juggs> hola TheMightyBuzzard o/
[13:18:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, make fudgeurl go away. it hates me.
[13:18:34] <Konomi> http://paste.ofcode.org
[13:18:35] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Paste ofCode
[13:18:40] <Konomi> primary loop
[13:19:01] * juggs shoos fudgeurl off the top of a tall building
[13:19:38] <juggs> Not that I know what fudgeurl is.... don't think I want to know either
[13:20:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> you really, really don't
[13:20:42] <Konomi> bit of a mess though ;p
[13:21:13] <Konomi> only handles single connections
[13:21:24] <Konomi> I'm planning to abstract it more once I have a clean base
[13:21:38] <Konomi> parsing irc is a bit of a pest too
[13:22:10] <Konomi> for instance PING from the server starts the line with PING
[13:22:18] <Konomi> every other server message starts with the servers address
[13:22:23] <Konomi> etc etc
[13:22:33] <juggs> lovely
[13:22:51] <Konomi> I imagine the rfcs that came later didn't really think of the parsing too well
[13:22:56] <Konomi> I think raws are limited to 3 digits too
[13:23:16] <Konomi> it's a bit haphazard for consistency
[13:24:55] <juggs> irc was formed using rfcs? I thought it was chucked together then unnecessarily extended over and over in a random fashion by a series of lunatic chimpanzees over the course of many millenia.
[13:25:08] <Konomi> yeah there's a lot of non rfc stuff too...
[13:27:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks good if verbose on the commenting
[13:29:31] <Konomi> needs lots of work I was too busy hitting my head on the desk trying to figure out why IO::Socket was hanging ;p
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[14:07:33] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v Bytram|away] by juggler
[14:07:45] * TheMightyBuzzard waves at Bytram
[14:08:33] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[14:08:42] * Bytram waves back
[14:08:58] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: have I got a good one for you!
[14:09:08] <juggs> g'day Bytram
[14:09:19] <Bytram> tried some, what's the word, assaulting of the DB using @#nnn:
[14:09:23] <Bytram> juggs: g'day
[14:09:27] <Bytram> take a look at: http://dev.soylentnews.org
[14:09:28] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN (dev) comment by martyb (76)
[14:09:35] <Bytram> =)
[14:10:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't, would completely derail myself
[14:10:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> gimme a few to find out wtf is going wrong somewhere else
[14:10:43] <Bytram> it suggests to me that we might want to add a style to the generated link with a no-break so that the nick does not get split onto separate lines
[14:11:39] <Bytram> upshot is, I threw @#1:@#2:@#3: ... @#4050: at it, and it seemd to render it just fine!
[14:12:13] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: oh... I misunderstood. What are you trying to debug?
[14:13:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> bit of api wonkiness crutchy found
[14:14:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> supplying say 1r5 as a uid
[14:14:43] <Bytram> "1r5" or "1e5" ??
[14:14:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> either
[14:14:59] <Bytram> something that looks like a number but is not an integer?
[14:15:09] <Bytram> or, just a non-numeric in genereal
[14:16:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> latter
[14:16:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> anything but digits
[14:16:44] <Bytram> hmmm
[14:17:08] <Bytram> do you have a sample linky I can work off?
[14:17:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, there's something in getCurrentForm that is causing the weird behavior
[14:17:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> and i'm not gonna change that for the api
[14:17:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> it can just be documented weirdness
[14:18:40] <Bytram> just to confirm, we're talking about something in: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[14:18:40] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Wiki: ApiDocs
[14:18:50] <Bytram> or is it somethin else?
[14:19:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> that
[14:20:02] <Bytram> and which one of those is causing the trouble? Can you copy-n-paste it here?
[14:20:18] * Bytram does not see GetCurrrentForm on that page?
[14:20:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://dev.soylentnews.org
[14:21:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> getCurrentForm is an internal slash thing that i'm not gonna change cause it's used EVERYWHERE
[14:21:23] <Bytram> hmmm
[14:22:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> behavior is it chops the value of uid at the end of the numbers. so 18 instead of 18z and undef instead of z18
[14:22:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> and it's just gonna hafta stay like that.
[14:23:11] <Bytram> ok. and you can't sanitize the input before calling getCurrentForm?
[14:23:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> getCurrentForm is how you get the input
[14:24:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> before that you have no access to it
[14:24:15] <Bytram> OH. :(
[14:24:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> $form = getCurrentForm; $uid = $form->{uid};
[14:25:18] <Bytram> and there's no *other* way to get the form data besides getCurrentForm?
[14:25:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope
[14:25:33] <Bytram> hmm
[14:25:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm fine with this as a known behavior though
[14:25:54] <Bytram> where does GCF get *its* data from? Do you have access to THAT?
[14:26:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> from the apache request and no
[14:26:28] <Bytram> yeah, in this particular case, I can understand it... I'm more concerned that it might be an instance of a whole class of problems that might arise somewhere down the line.
[14:26:36] <Bytram> BLEGH!
[14:26:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> slash destroys the apache request after doing things the slash way as part of every page load
[14:27:00] <juggs> my head hurts already
[14:27:17] * Bytram seeks analgesics
[14:27:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, just think how i felt before i figured that out
[14:28:00] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++ # my brain hurts just thinking about it
[14:28:00] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 129
[14:28:15] <Bytram> oh...
[14:28:18] <Bytram> coffee++
[14:28:18] <Bender> karma - coffee: 988
[14:28:19] <Bytram> !uic
[14:28:22] <Bytram> !uid
[14:28:23] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5020, owned by Soybean
[14:28:35] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[14:29:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> no exec
[14:29:27] <Bytram> so I guess this is just another one in a long line of tradition where we fix it in pub[lication]s
[14:29:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[14:29:47] <juggs> !weather boston
[14:29:52] <juggs> ^weather boston
[14:29:53] <geotti_away> [Boston, Massachusetts] Partly Cloudy. Temp is -4.2*C but feels like -8*C. NNW wind: 9.7 kph.
[14:30:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> i was gonna throw an error message but i think ima just leave it be and not even document it on the api docs.
[14:30:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's bad input to begin with. i see no need to coddle bad input.
[14:31:19] <Bytram> I disagree... definitely document it.
[14:32:01] <Bytram> Known bug: non-integer values truncated to only leading the digit(s), if any.
[14:32:40] <Bytram> Known bug: non-integer values truncated to only leading digit(s), if any. E.g. "12z3" is treated as "12"
[14:33:15] <Bytram> let me rethink taht
[14:33:39] <Bytram> UID must be a positive, non-zero integer. Any other results are undefined.
[14:33:43] <juggs> Or perhaps a dictionary of fields and their data types :D
[14:34:14] <Bytram> there you go throwing reason into this whole discussion! A pox on ye, I says!
[14:34:19] <juggs> Then: "Get your input right or expect invalid results back!"
[14:34:20] <Bytram> =)
[14:34:29] <Bytram> juggs++
[14:34:29] <Bender> karma - juggs: 49
[14:34:32] <Bytram> juggs++
[14:34:32] <Bender> karma - juggs: 50
[14:34:39] <Bytram> there, nice round #
[14:34:49] <Bytram> juggs+=1.5
[14:34:51] <juggs> lovely
[14:35:09] <Bytram> non-integer = no joy!
[14:35:56] <juggs> ohh... think we used to call it "Data Dictionary" when I used to knock up spec docs.... been a while
[14:36:25] <Bytram> sounds 'bout right
[14:36:38] <Bytram> btw, for a quick and dirty test, I tried:
[14:36:39] <Bytram> wget --output-document=foo.txt "http://dev.soylentnews.org/api.pl?op=get_nick&uid=18"
[14:36:41] <Bytram> and got:
[14:36:54] <Bytram> {"RTFM":"http://wiki.soylentnews.org/wiki/ApiDocs"}
[14:36:54] <Hedonismbot> * 03Wiki: ApiDocs
[14:37:31] <Bytram> I suppose I'll really need to RTFM
[14:39:10] * Bytram doesn't see anything obviously wrong with it
[14:40:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[14:40:47] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Wiki: ApiDocs
[14:41:38] <juggs> That covers it too :D
[14:42:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, you forgot to give a value to m
[14:42:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> should be https://dev.soylentnews.org
[14:43:57] <Bytram> oh. I was just using what you had pasted in above. :/
[14:44:01] <Bytram> lemme try again.
[14:44:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i got that wrong too so you're forgiven
[14:45:08] <Bytram> hmmm, does it have to be httpS ??
[14:45:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah
[14:45:15] <Bytram> still getting json for RTFM
[14:45:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> off that link i just pasted?
[14:45:35] <Bytram> yup
[14:45:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause i just tried it and got expected results
[14:46:37] <Bytram> huh. musta fat fingered sumthin. worked, now
[14:46:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://dev.soylentnews.org
[14:47:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, that's two bugs for me for today.
[14:47:40] <Bytram> now I got: {"nick":"The Mighty Buzzard"}
[14:47:46] <Bytram> =)
[14:47:49] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[14:47:49] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 130
[14:48:50] <Subsentient> http://www.youtube.com
[14:48:51] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03YouTube ( https://www.youtube.com )
[14:48:53] <Subsentient> http://www.youtube.com
[14:48:54] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03I've done a poo - YouTube ( https://www.youtube.com )
[14:49:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> now i gotta make admin.pl stop stripping abbr and such
[14:50:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> well later i gotta do that. now i gotta do non-code stuff for a bit.
[14:50:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> afk doing so
[14:50:19] * juggs stokes TheMightyBuzzard's motivation
[14:51:25] <Bytram> nod nod -- seems my problem with wget was it didn't bother writing anything to a file if the result was smaller than the existing file I'd written. Just needed to delete the output file beforehand.
[14:51:39] <Bytram> IOW - it works, baby!
[14:51:41] <Bytram> =)
[14:59:52] <Konomi> you're so cheery it's kinda scary ;p
[15:00:04] <Bytram> phhhtht!
[15:00:05] <Bytram> =)
[15:00:25] <Bytram> sleep is a GOOD thing, and I hadn't had enough of that for a while.
[15:00:39] <Bytram> also, hanging around with the gang here generally boosts my spirits
[15:00:52] * Konomi hides behind TMB
[15:00:56] <Konomi> kowai
[15:01:13] <Bytram> ummmm, what's that?
[15:02:12] <juggs> sounded like a faux karate noise or something
[15:02:38] <juggs> Konomi must be one of Buzzard's Angels or some such
[15:05:16] * Bytram tries to imagine Konomi on a Harley
[15:05:34] <Konomi> gotta watch your leg near the tail pipes
[15:05:53] <Konomi> at least if you're riding on the back
[15:06:01] <Konomi> not that I um did that a lot or anything
[15:06:42] <Bytram> what, burn your leg? Ouch!
[15:07:13] <Bytram> what kind of a bike do you prefer to ride?
[15:08:51] * juggs goes to inspect eyelids for a coupla hours. Laters taters :)
[15:09:00] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[15:09:01] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03MAILBAG SHOWDOWN (Zero Punctuation) - YouTube
[15:09:03] <Konomi> always fun
[15:09:44] <Bytram> do you have an alternative for the bandwidth-challenged?
[15:10:41] <Bytram> do you have an alternative for the bandwidth-challenged?
[15:10:54] <Bytram> sry. hit enter in wrong screen.
[15:10:57] <Konomi> no I'm afraid not
[15:11:00] <Konomi> you could use youtube-dl
[15:11:46] <Bytram> on windows?
[15:12:10] <Konomi> yeah they have a windows version it's python compiled
[15:12:15] <Konomi> you need to know how to console though
[15:12:29] <Bytram> CMD console? or python?
[15:12:41] <Konomi> cmd
[15:12:45] * Bytram started with DOS 3.0
[15:13:13] * Bytram may have done a few things on the command line over the years
[15:14:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How Amazon Tricks you into Thinking it Always has the Lowest Prices - http://sylnt.us - man-behind-the-curtain
[15:16:06] <Bytram> afk - back in a few minutes
[15:19:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> blarg, okay, enough. have no more code in me today.
[15:19:57] * Konomi puts away the code juicer
[15:21:40] <Bytram> np - you've been on a tear for a long stretch - i *fully* understand!
[15:21:58] * Bytram lobs a virtual beer to TheMightyBuzzard
[15:23:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, after we get this update pushed out, minus the api cause pj don't feel ready to play with it on production, could ya give the api some serious debugging?
[15:24:31] <Bytram> would *love* to! I *just* finished a quick-and-dirty windows .BAT progrm to test SN_nick_from_uid
[15:24:56] <Bytram> given a uid sends the result to STDOUT
[15:25:01] <Bytram> am playing with it right now.
[15:25:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> handy
[15:25:31] * Bytram needs to parameterize which server it talks to
[15:25:43] <Bytram> is hard-coded for dev.soylentnews.org
[15:25:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> curl would work better than wget for that though
[15:26:04] <Bytram> thought I have curl, I've not really used it all that much.
[15:26:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> essentially wget but dumps to stdout instead of a file
[15:26:32] <Bytram> though I *did* write a proggy to resolve URL indirection to tell me where a link finally ended up
[15:27:03] <Bytram> whereto http://feeds.wired.com
[15:27:04] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03'Star Trek Communicator Startup' Sets Out to Build a World Powered by Voice | WIRED ( http://www.wired.com )
[15:27:05] <Bytram> returned:
[15:27:09] <Bytram> http://www.wired.com
[15:27:32] <Bytram> the first link is one I found in #rss-bot
[15:27:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> handy
[15:27:45] <Bytram> I use it a lot to resolve links when writing/editing stories
[15:27:54] * Bytram despises tracking in URLs
[15:29:18] <Bytram> I should prolly check for a more recent version... I'm using:
[15:29:19] <Bytram> curl 7.15.2 (i386-pc-win32) libcurl/7.15.2 OpenSSL/0.9.8a zlib/1.2.3
[15:29:19] <Bytram> Protocols: tftp ftp telnet dict ldap http file https ftps
[15:29:19] <Bytram> Features: Largefile NTLM SSL libz
[15:29:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> having fun playing with SJWs on twitter. amazing how often https://www.youtube.com is all the response you need.
[15:29:58] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03The Offspring - Why Don't You Get a Job? - YouTube
[15:34:09] <ar> http://svn.apache.org - the function defined at line 120 is very nice
[15:34:10] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03[Apache-SVN] Contents of /apr/apr/trunk/crypto/getuuid.c
[15:37:18] <Konomi> it's okay it's good enough
[15:37:22] <Konomi> ;p
[15:44:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> right then. ima bail and get some quality baddie killing in before i gotta do deal with the DMV
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[15:45:05] <Bytram> just warming up for later at the DMV, I take it?
[15:45:12] <Bytram> j/k
[15:45:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, plan on napping there
[15:45:59] <Bytram> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:46:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> see you lot after lunch some time.
[15:46:38] * Bytram just dowloaded an updated curl and got an exception on first attempt to run. :(
[15:46:43] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: nod nod
[15:46:53] -!- TheMightyBuzzard has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[15:51:49] <Bytram> THAT's better!
[15:51:50] <Bytram> curl 7.40.0 (i386-pc-win32) libcurl/7.40.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1j zlib/1.2.8
[15:51:50] <Bytram> Protocols: dict file ftp ftps gopher http https imap imaps ldap pop3 pop3s rtsp smb smbs smtp smtps telnet tftp
[15:51:50] <Bytram> Features: AsynchDNS IPv6 Largefile NTLM SSL libz
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[16:18:28] <Bytram> I fat fingered something and got "500 Internal Server Error" from this:
[16:18:30] <Bytram> curl "http://dev.soylentnews.org/api.pl?m=user&op=get_user&nick=The Mighty Buzzard"
[16:18:30] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03500 Internal Server Error
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[16:38:46] <SirFinkus> welp, almost burned the house down, that was fun
[16:39:14] <SirFinkus> outlet started sparking and smoking
[16:39:17] <SirFinkus> lucky I was home
[16:41:33] * Bytram is *very* glad your were there
[16:41:46] <Bytram> was it in the outlet box, proper, or something plugged into it?
[16:41:52] <SirFinkus> outlet box
[16:42:11] <Bytram> yikes! what did you do?
[16:42:18] <Bytram> hit the breaker in the panel?
[16:42:34] <SirFinkus> yeah, so now my room has no power, hanging out in another bedroom
[16:42:58] <Bytram> oh, it didn't catch fire... just started sparking?
[16:43:16] * Bytram ws wondering how you'd put out a fire like that.
[16:43:37] <SirFinkus> believe me, so was I
[16:43:43] <SirFinkus> there was a little fire
[16:43:51] <SirFinkus> nothing damaged because I was on that shit
[16:44:05] <SirFinkus> that arc flashy stuff
[16:44:29] <Bytram> yes, that WOULD tend to get your attention
[16:44:46] <Bytram> do you have a chemical fire extinguisher -- that would work
[16:44:57] <Bytram> just be sure to check the letter code on it for what it is rated for
[16:45:12] <Bytram> ISTR it's "A" "B" and/or "C"
[16:47:35] <Bytram> afk
[16:47:48] <SirFinkus> nope, tentative plan was baking soda
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[16:50:57] <SirFinkus> or dying in a housefire
[16:52:59] <Bytram> back
[16:53:23] <Bytram> that would be double-plus ungood!
[16:53:48] * Bytram nervously looks around at all the stuff that he has plugged in
[16:55:03] * SirFinkus eyes space heater suspiciously
[16:55:34] <SirFinkus> all I had plugged into the outlet in question was my phone and a nightlight
[16:55:47] * Bytram closes his eyes and suddenly feels MUCH better
[16:55:49] <Bytram> =)
[16:56:57] <Bytram> I wonder if you have aluminum wire? when the price of copper went up (70's? 80's?) it was common for builders to use Aluminum, instead, but then they found there were issues when the Al connected to Cu
[16:57:23] <SirFinkus> my house is old as fuck, built in the 40s, so it probably needs all of it ripped out at this point
[16:57:24] <Bytram> I don't recall the details, but I'm sure there's plenty of info online
[16:57:32] <SirFinkus> alas, no money for that kind of thing
[16:57:33] <Bytram> oh my
[16:57:48] <Bytram> You have breakers or fuses?
[16:57:59] <SirFinkus> breakers, house came with fuses though
[16:58:10] <SirFinkus> also have oil heating, which is great
[16:58:11] <Bytram> that's good!
[16:58:32] * Bytram remembers working one summer as an electrician's helper -- learned a LOT
[16:58:40] <SirFinkus> I have a 500 gallon tank of diesel on the other side of the wall
[16:58:59] <Bytram> I once worked at a place that was wired with knob-and-tube
[16:59:09] <SirFinkus> that sounds alarming
[16:59:47] <Bytram> each wire is independently snaked through the walls; each of which passed through 2x4's with a ceramic insulator
[17:00:00] <Bytram> which were known to break, on occasion
[17:00:23] <SirFinkus> sounds like fun
[17:00:31] <Bytram> these days, stringing cable is pretty straightforward.
[17:00:46] <Bytram> I'll bet you had a 15amp breaker that you threw
[17:01:07] <SirFinkus> 10
[17:01:11] <Bytram> that would be 14-2 gauge wire (or 14-3 if it was grounded)
[17:01:18] <Bytram> 10 amp? REALLY?
[17:01:23] <SirFinkus> yup
[17:01:31] <SirFinkus> only 2 outlets per room though
[17:01:35] <Bytram> yikes! I've NEVER seen a 10amp breaker!
[17:01:37] <SirFinkus> as I said, it's an older house
[17:02:01] <Bytram> nod nod
[17:02:14] <Bytram> what's your total service? 60amp 100amp?
[17:02:49] <SirFinkus> not sure tbh
[17:03:14] <SirFinkus> flipping breakers on/off and replacing outlets is about the extent of my electrical experience
[17:03:49] <Bytram> that's more than many people have done
[17:03:58] <Bytram> was the outlet grounded?
[17:04:09] <SirFinkus> in theory lol
[17:04:14] <Bytram> heh.
[17:04:37] <Bytram> I'm very surprised the breaker did not trip on its own
[17:04:48] <SirFinkus> me too, and alarmed
[17:05:02] <Bytram> ws it making any buzzing sounds or anything?
[17:05:39] <Bytram> ISTR that one should occasionally flip all of one's breakers so they don't get "stuck" in place
[17:05:49] <SirFinkus> not until it started sparking
[17:05:55] <Bytram> LOL
[17:06:20] <Bytram> think along the lines of "sticksion" on hard drives that haven't been powered up in a while -- heads tend to stick to the platters
[17:06:42] <SirFinkus> I got about 30 seconds of buzzing, I thought it was my computer or something at first
[17:06:58] <SirFinkus> then the blue smoke started
[17:07:02] <Bytram> was the buzzing from the outlet or from the breaker panel?
[17:07:07] <SirFinkus> outlet
[17:07:14] <Bytram> there's that magic smoke again!
[17:07:17] <Bytram> k
[17:07:22] <SirFinkus> yep, let the smoke out
[17:07:32] <SirFinkus> hoping it's just a bad outlet
[17:07:59] <Bytram> prolly so, or just a lead that was sticking just a *little* too far out from where it screwed to the box
[17:08:14] <Bytram> it was *screwed* in place, and not "back-stabbed", right?
[17:08:24] <Bytram> THOSE are EVIL!!!!!!!!
[17:08:25] <SirFinkus> screwed
[17:08:30] <Bytram> good good!
[17:08:32] <SirFinkus> now it's REALLY screwed
[17:08:35] <Bytram> lOL
[17:08:36] <ciri> hehehe
[17:08:53] * Bytram scrounges around for an extension cord he could loan to SirFinkus
[17:09:01] <SirFinkus> fuck you ciri, why don't you go die in a house fire?
[17:09:10] <swiss> 3
[17:09:11] <ciri> 4
[17:09:12] <ciri> 5
[17:09:14] <ciri> 6
[17:09:16] <ciri> 7
[17:09:18] <ciri> 8
[17:09:20] <ciri> 9
[17:09:22] <ciri> 10!
[17:09:57] <Bytram> I don't remember what I did, but I no longer see anything from ciri
[17:10:00] <Bytram> =)
[17:10:49] <Bytram> ahhh, there it is... in hexchat, rightclicked on the username in the userlist panel and clicked on "ignore"
[17:11:01] <Bytram> silence is golden
[17:11:03] <SirFinkus> it's more fun to abuse it
[17:11:24] <SirFinkus> I'm sure I'll pay for my crimes when the first AI war starts
[17:11:58] * Bytram chuckles (but silently)
[17:16:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NSA Secretly Uses Scapegoats, Data Mules and Innocent Victims' PCs for Botnets - http://sylnt.us - like-every-other-cracker?
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[17:30:11] <Bytram> mechanicjay: hey there! Cape Asa?
[17:30:58] <mechanicjay> Yo!
[17:31:07] <Bytram> Ho Ho!!
[17:31:16] <Bytram> oh, wait, that's gone by, hasn't it?
[17:31:19] <Bytram> =)
[17:31:32] <mechanicjay> Aye
[17:32:00] <Bytram> how's things?
[17:33:16] <mechanicjay> depends on which sphere of existence. Professionally, A++. Personal C+.
[17:33:32] <mechanicjay> Real Estate transactions just stressful and irritating.
[17:33:41] <Bytram> no kidding!
[17:34:27] <Bytram> especially all the signatures!
[17:34:53] <Bytram> helps to remember that countless others have done it before, and most of 'em had far less of a clue! You'll do fine!
[17:37:45] <mechanicjay> its actually the attorneys and clueless Real estate Agents that have me going nuts.
[17:38:05] <mechanicjay> trying to sell a house after you've moved 3000 miles away just adds to the headache.
[17:39:35] <Bytram> that's for sure! Need to have *really* good eyesight.
[17:40:54] <mechanicjay> Did you know, that in places that are not New Jersey, people conduct real estate transactions all the time with out lawyers?
[17:41:28] * Bytram shudders at the thought
[17:41:54] <Bytram> and the house in question is not in NJ?
[17:43:01] <mechanicjay> The house I'm trying to sell is in NJ and really all the lawyers have done so far is piss everyone off and cost money. I find them to be a detriment to the process.
[17:43:26] <Bytram> now i see it.
[17:43:40] <Bytram> quite the racket, I take it?
[17:43:43] <mechanicjay> The house I"m trying to buy, on the other hand, is being handled with the Agents, which is how most stuff is handled out here and its just an overall pleasant transaction.
[17:44:03] <Bytram> if you don't mind my asking, where is "here"?
[17:44:19] <mechanicjay> just north of Seattle
[17:44:29] <Bytram> aha.
[17:44:32] <Bytram> Go Patriots!
[17:44:35] <mechanicjay> lol
[17:44:35] <ciri> hahaha
[17:44:35] <Bytram> =)
[17:44:39] <mechanicjay> fuck you ciri
[17:44:44] <Bytram> ROFL!
[17:45:05] * Bytram is *SO* glad that he blocked ciri
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[17:45:16] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: wb!
[17:45:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[17:45:33] <mechanicjay> I've found the differences in the real estate transaction are pretty applicable the general attitude of people out here.
[17:45:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> lunchtime
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[17:46:36] <mechanicjay> NJ: Every one is out to fuck you as hard as they can, so you better lawyer up! (A myth, I'm pretty sure is propagated by the lawyering industry).
[17:46:59] <mechanicjay> WA: We're all adults here.
[17:47:32] <Bytram> used to be that a man's handshake and his word meant something.
[17:47:48] <Bytram> I subscribe to that philosophy
[17:48:12] <mechanicjay> yeah me too.
[17:48:15] <Bytram> I've been burnt a few times, but better that, than to lose all faith in humanity and live in constant fear of what might happen
[17:48:44] <Bytram> "A clear conscience makes the softest pillow."
[17:48:48] <mechanicjay> yeah, that's exactly why we decided it was time to GTFO of Jersey. I've been there my whole life, it just finally wore thin.
[17:48:53] * Bytram wishes he could remember who wrote that
[17:49:30] <Bytram> well, I can understand that, but didja have to go clear across the continent? =)
[17:51:05] <mechanicjay> lol, probably not, but there were things that brought us here instead of say to Boulder, CO or Portland, OR, or Burlington VT which were all considerations.
[17:51:31] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: got some good news for ya. while you were away, I downloaded and coded a couple more utilities for API testing.
[17:51:35] <Bytram> SN_nick_from_UID 18
[17:51:35] <mechanicjay> mostly her family
[17:51:51] <Bytram> mechanicjay: ah. got ya!
[17:51:57] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: gave me: {"nick":"The Mighty Buzzard"}
[17:52:21] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: but, now I can do: SN_nick_from_UID 18 | JSON
[17:52:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> smooth
[17:52:31] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: and now I get: ["nick"] "The Mighty Buzzard"
[17:53:06] <Bytram> see: https://github.com
[17:53:07] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03JSON.awk/JSON.awk at master · step-/JSON.awk · GitHub
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[17:53:39] <Bytram> BTW, that is a STRANGE beast. It expects fileNAMEs to be fed to it on STDIN
[17:54:00] <Bytram> had to write a wrapper around it so I could send the JSON *data* into it on a pipeline
[17:54:24] <Bytram> which reminds me, I forget to delete a temp file. :/ BRB
[17:55:02] * TheMightyBuzzard continues stuffing his face
[18:02:00] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Sorry to spam the channel, but I think you'd really like this one...
[18:02:05] <Bytram> curl -s "http://dev.soylentnews.org/api.pl?m=user&op=get_user&uid=18" | JSON | head -20
[18:02:05] <Bytram> ["totalcomments"] "167"
[18:02:05] <Bytram> ["calendar_url"] null
[18:02:05] <Bytram> ["created_at"] "2014-02-13 05:14:59"
[18:02:05] <Bytram> ["realname"] ""
[18:02:06] <Bytram> ["icq"] null
[18:02:08] <Bytram> ["fakeemail"] "reversethis-{moc.liamg} {ta} {drazzubythgimeht}"
[18:02:10] <Bytram> ["bio"] "goat"
[18:02:14] <Bytram> ["yahoo"] null
[18:02:16] <Bytram> ["registered"] "1"
[18:02:18] <Bytram> ["uid"] "18"
[18:02:20] <Bytram> ["nickname"] "The Mighty Buzzard"
[18:02:22] <Bytram> ["is_subscriber"] 1
[18:02:24] <Bytram> ["journal_last_entry_date"] "2014-11-17 12:07:14"
[18:02:26] <Bytram> ["aim"] null
[18:02:28] <Bytram> ["karma"] "44"
[18:02:30] <Bytram> ["homepage"] ""
[18:02:32] <Bytram> ["sig"] "Violence is like duct tape; if it doesn't solve the problem, you didn't use enough."
[18:02:34] <Bytram> ["people","1","27"] 1
[18:02:36] <Bytram> ["people","1","11"] 1
[18:02:38] <Bytram> ["people","1","21"] 1
[18:02:40] <Bytram> =)
[18:02:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> handy indeed
[18:04:49] <Bytram> I could toss a "tee" command in the pipeline before the JSON invocation to capture the entire results; then would be able to reparse as I wanted, later
[18:07:23] <Bytram> if I do it right, I should be able to put a time stamp into the tee'd filename, and would have instant, historical records of all data retrieved during testing. =)
[18:08:34] <Bytram> okay, time for a break.... /me needs to get some breakfast!
[18:31:52] <Bytram> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[18:31:52] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Microsoft to give away Windows 10 free for first year • The Register
[18:32:24] <Bytram> and then, after year 1? :/
[18:40:40] <juggs> "With Windows 10, we think of the operating system as 'Windows as a service'," said Terry Myerson, Microsoft's VP of operating systems. "In next few years, you could think of Windows as one of the largest internet services on the planet. The question of 'what version are you running' will cease to make sense."
[18:40:58] <SirFinkus> ...great
[18:41:00] <juggs> Uhhh - think I'll be giving it a miss.
[18:41:29] <Bytram> so they can plant, and unplant, tracking whenever they want?
[18:43:36] <juggs> something like that
[18:44:17] * Bytram shudders at the thought of trying to debug an application while the OS is changing underneath
[18:47:08] <SirFinkus> you're thinking about this wrong Bytram, the application with be IN THE CLOUD
[18:47:13] <SirFinkus> so you don't need to worry
[18:47:35] <SirFinkus> logic in Javascript! UI in HTML5
[18:47:48] <Bytram> hmmm, send in the clouds? (With apologies to the singer whose name I can't recall ATM)
[19:02:56] * Leebert needs to remember to stop feeding the asshole posters.
[19:18:20] <Bytram> http://feeds.sciencedaily.com
[19:18:21] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Two lakes beneath the ice in Greenland, gone within weeks -- ScienceDaily ( http://www.sciencedaily.com )
[19:18:40] <juggs> who pulled the plug?
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[19:19:25] <Bytram> Researchers discovered craters left behind when two sub-glacial lakes in Greenland drained away -- an indication that the natural plumbing system beneath the ice sheet is overflowing with meltwater. One lake once held billions of gallons of water and emptied to form a mile-wide crater in just a few weeks. The other lake has filled and emptied twice in the last two years.
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[19:45:51] <BadCoderFinger> Hi guys
[19:46:08] <mechanicjay> Hiya
[19:46:09] <ciri> hi i'm happy today! :D mechanicjay
[19:46:16] <mechanicjay> fuck you ciri
[19:46:38] <mechanicjay> ...you know it's bad when all you do it cuss at the AI.
[19:46:48] <mechanicjay> s/it/is/g
[19:46:48] <SedNotABot> <mechanicjay> ...you know is's bad when all you do is cuss at the AI.
[19:47:02] <mechanicjay> s/is's/it's/g
[19:47:08] <mechanicjay> fuck
[19:47:14] <mechanicjay> :(
[19:47:59] <Bytram> holy holograms, batman!
[19:48:01] <Bytram> http://go.theregister.com
[19:48:01] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Screw you, Oculus and Glassholes! Microsoft unveils holographic glasses • The Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
[19:48:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - This Tool May Make it Easier for Thieves to Empty Bank Accounts - http://sylnt.us - balancing-convenience-and-risk
[19:48:23] <Bytram> http://phys.org
[19:48:23] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03'HoloLens': Microsoft debuts hologram goggles ( http://phys.org )
[19:48:31] <Bytram> http://www.forbes.com
[19:48:31] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Microsoft Augments Reality With Windows Holographic - Forbes
[19:48:48] * Bytram awaits the imminent arrivalof a holodeck!
[19:49:01] <Bytram> s/lof/l of/
[19:49:01] <SedNotABot> <Bytram> awaits the imminent arrival of a holodeck!
[19:50:18] <mechanicjay> I don't know Bytram -- I've seen enough star trek to know that a holodeck is the most dangerous and unpredictable system around!
[19:50:56] <BadCoderFinger> That's true, but it's a go to device when you run out of plot ideas.
[19:50:57] <Bytram> and that's worse than reality, how?
[19:50:59] <Bytram> =)
[19:51:23] <BadCoderFinger> I can't wait for my glasses to bluescreen!
[19:51:36] <BadCoderFinger> Maybe they'll pick another color, like they did for xbox.
[19:51:53] <Bytram> I'm colorblind, you insensitive clod~
[19:51:57] <BadCoderFinger> Heh!
[19:52:08] <BadCoderFinger> You only get a greyscreen, then!
[19:52:45] <BadCoderFinger> (On a side note, I'm finally an insensitive clod! Do I get a party, or what?)
[19:52:57] <BadCoderFinger> insensitiveclod++
[19:52:57] <Bender> karma - insensitiveclod: 1
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[19:53:36] <BadCoderFinger> Or a cyanscreen, which will look more whitescreen than a whitescreen.
[19:54:36] <Bytram> Kipman said the development of HoloLens was shrouded in secrecy and Microsoft had a special partner: NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. JPL is going to use HoloLens to analyze data from the Curiosity rover and build explorable hologram maps of Mars this summer, and boffins will be able to use it to control the rover by July.
[19:54:55] <Bytram> danger will robinson!
[19:55:29] <BadCoderFinger> I'm going to bet dinero that it's not used to control Curiosity. Also, I'll put up some American money.
[19:55:38] <Bytram> and just make sure you never, ever, sneeze!\
[19:56:08] <Bytram> weasel words: "will be able to" ... but will they?
[19:56:33] <Bytram> IRC, they construct a drive path ahead of time, and then upload that to the lander to follow.
[19:56:51] <Bytram> I'm sure there's a huge QA effort to make sure the uploaded program has no "gotchas"
[19:57:24] <Bytram> this may a step along the same lines, but using the output of this as an *input* to the path generation process.
[19:57:28] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, I believe that to be the case. So no bet, heh.
[19:57:58] <BadCoderFinger> The "path-generation process" is pretty much manual.
[19:57:58] <Bytram> But, I'll give you just ONE guess that will be all hot to embrace the technology?
[19:58:09] <BadCoderFinger> Kinect?
[19:58:19] <Bytram> s/that/what industry/
[19:58:19] <SedNotABot> <Bytram> But, I'll give you just ONE guess what industry will be all hot to embrace the technology?
[19:58:27] * Bytram left some out
[19:58:45] <BadCoderFinger> Heh. The Surveillance Industrial State!
[19:59:19] <Bytram> close. what actually drove the sale of VCRs?>
[19:59:52] <BadCoderFinger> Bluescreen message: "Your location data failed to upload from address 0xFC000008, press any key to reboot your glasses"
[20:00:10] <Bytram> LOL
[20:00:10] <ciri> HAHAHAHA
[20:00:23] <mechanicjay> lol
[20:00:41] <BadCoderFinger> Despite my great age, all I remember about the VCR wars was the betamax fight.
[20:01:00] <mechanicjay> I <3 me /ignore
[20:01:16] <mechanicjay> no more ciri, no more ciri -- this makes me giddy.
[20:01:29] <Bytram> yeah, keep goin'... and why did people buy the VCRs? What did they *really* want to watch?
[20:03:13] <BadCoderFinger> Porn, clearly. All technology turns to porn eventually.
[20:03:33] * BadCoderFinger mutters something about the Nintendo power glove and failed promises...
[20:03:58] <Bytram> ding! ding! ding! ding!
[20:04:12] <BadCoderFinger> I used to work for a web search company. You see things you can't unsee.
[20:05:13] <Bytram> I offer you my condolences.
[20:05:20] <Bytram> no one should have to experience that.
[20:05:53] <BadCoderFinger> I did a test run of the top 1000 searches against my test code. It was... disturbing.
[20:06:13] <BadCoderFinger> Seriously, "naked hobbits" was number 3.
[20:06:21] <BadCoderFinger> We live in a sad, sad world.
[20:06:32] <Bytram> and those are people who can vote.
[20:06:58] <BadCoderFinger> It does make me wonder why congress is not populated by porn stars.
[20:07:36] <Bytram> there is a huge divide between what people want and what people will admit they want.
[20:09:24] <BadCoderFinger> That is very true.
[20:10:14] <Bytram> how many politician's careers have been dragged down by extramarital activities? Society does not condone it.
[20:10:21] <BadCoderFinger> I knew a guy that ran a porn video shop. He said people would start out renting the tame stuff, then eventually over months rent what they were really after. Afraid of the cashier's judgment, I guess.
[20:11:03] <Bytram> or, maybe they were afraid to believe that they really wanted that, too.
[20:12:04] <Bytram> Think back to the election with Sarah Palin. She was a "looker" and I'm sure that garnered some support, but it only, really, gets you so far in the court of public opinion... of what people are prepared to say to defend their choice
[20:13:43] <BadCoderFinger> That's true, but only when people have to defend their choice. Hardly anyone puts much thought into to or what they are voting for.
[20:13:59] <BadCoderFinger> Mostly it's a party affiliation.
[20:14:08] <BadCoderFinger> So no real defense necessary.
[20:14:17] <Bytram> interesting point.
[20:14:53] <Bytram> I'm more of a mind, though, that it is the loudmouths who vie for public attention and who hold sway with people's ideas
[20:15:00] <Bytram> say it enough times and people will come to believe it
[20:15:12] <BadCoderFinger> Heh, I had the republican representative candidate stop by my house to ask for my vote. Poor guy was woefully unprepared for me.
[20:15:32] <Bytram> those loudmouths are not going to suggest a candidate is a good choice just because they are "hot".
[20:15:54] <Bytram> heh... to be a fly on the wall during THAT conversation!
[20:16:27] <BadCoderFinger> You're right for most of the loudmouths. But where I grew up, understanding any of the issues was a rarity, so "hotness" counted.
[20:17:33] * Bytram nods with seeming understanding
[20:17:38] <BadCoderFinger> I cannot claim any real intelligence, just that I asked him about his platform. And he really couldn't answer much, and finally said, "I'm not an expert on health insurance policy."
[20:17:57] <BadCoderFinger> I grew up in the American south.
[20:18:09] <BadCoderFinger> An intellectual desert.
[20:18:24] <Bytram> but not so bad on the eyes?
[20:18:52] <Bytram> up here in the northeast USA, we're pretty-much bundled up for several months of the year!
[20:20:33] <BadCoderFinger> The open areas were nice, but they tended to be farmland. And farmers are armed.
[20:21:26] <Bytram> I was thinking more of the residents than the landscape, but the latter part of your sentence does send a not-so-subtle warning.
[20:21:29] <Bytram> =)
[20:21:55] <BadCoderFinger> Heh!
[20:22:32] <BadCoderFinger> We liked to go exploring when we were kids. Turns out, that wasn't the best area for that.
[20:22:52] <Bytram> wo ho ho! Yikes!
[20:23:10] <BadCoderFinger> There was a guy who was in Vietnam, and not quite right. Killed my brother's dog.
[20:23:58] <Bytram> I am *so* sorry!
[20:24:46] <BadCoderFinger> I'm sure my brother got revenge somehow. I'm better off not knowing for sure, heh!
[20:25:57] <Bytram> yes, there are some things in life best left unknown. and with that, we seem to have gone full circle.
[20:26:40] <BadCoderFinger> Heh, true!
[20:26:55] <Bytram> which reminds me!
[20:27:19] <Bytram> Long ago, I read the first book in the "Wheel of Time" series by Jordan. First book was a page turner...
[20:27:28] <BadCoderFinger> Yep, it was.
[20:27:52] <Bytram> about 6 or or books in, it was a slow slow slog of reading lotsa pages for practially no effect in the overall story arc,
[20:27:56] <BadCoderFinger> Started dragging around book 3, if I remember correctly.
[20:27:56] <Bytram> so far as I could see.
[20:28:14] <BadCoderFinger> Jordan did wander off in the weeds a lot.
[20:28:18] <Bytram> I'm a trooper when it comes to reading, but even I finally gave up at some point.
[20:28:35] <BadCoderFinger> Me too! I think I finished book 9, and swore off the rest.
[20:28:59] <BadCoderFinger> He sort of solved all the problems, but didn't stop writing.
[20:29:11] <Bytram> I just got tired of reading about Yet Another Temporary Character who was lavishly described, who carried on some trite conversations, maybe had some minor story arc implication, and then disappeared.
[20:29:22] <Bytram> it was obvious he was just trying t boost the word count.
[20:29:45] <BadCoderFinger> Yep. Then even death couldn't stop the books coming out.
[20:29:46] <Bytram> that, and I think he'd so hyped the ending he was afraid to actually have to deliver!
[20:30:02] <BadCoderFinger> Didn't Terry Brooks pick up writing them?
[20:30:17] <Bytram> so, that was a long-winded way of asking whether, now that the series is done, was the ending "good enough"?
[20:30:41] <BadCoderFinger> I don't think it's ended yet, heh.
[20:30:43] <Bytram> No terry brooks, that name I do know and it wasn't him/her.
[20:30:52] <Bytram> I heard the last book was out last december?
[20:31:07] <BadCoderFinger> Somebody somewhat good picked it up, but I can't remember who.
[20:31:19] <Bytram> could you check it out on wikipedia for me? I needs to use the rest room. back in a bit.
[20:31:22] <Bytram> afk
[20:31:47] <Bytram> (heh, and the cicle continues =)
[20:32:14] <BadCoderFinger> Brandon Sanderson.
[20:32:30] <BadCoderFinger> No idea if he's any good or not.
[20:32:53] <BadCoderFinger> I just can't bring myself to drag through another one.
[20:34:45] <BadCoderFinger> At least it wasn't Kevin J. Anderson. Dune is now irrevocably destroyed.
[20:36:17] <Bytram> back
[20:36:19] <Bytram> yeah! that's the name!
[20:36:50] <Bytram> I read dune 1-3 and (IIRC 4) and then gave up. another one that was milker too much
[20:36:54] <Bytram> s/ker/ked/
[20:36:54] <SedNotABot> <Bytram> I read dune 1-3 and (IIRC 4) and then gave up. another one that was milked too much
[20:37:09] <Bytram> ditto on Asimov's Foundation series
[20:37:16] <BadCoderFinger> I don't know, I found a lot of good in the later books.
[20:37:57] <BadCoderFinger> 4 was so distant from the first 3, they might well have been separate series.
[20:38:01] <Bytram> well, I was about 13 or 14 when I read Foundation.
[20:38:09] <Bytram> I'm a little older, now.
[20:38:16] <Bytram> my perspective has changed a lot
[20:38:45] <Bytram> read dune 1,2,3 when I was a teen, too.
[20:39:01] <Bytram> BTW, have you read anything by David Eddings?
[20:39:15] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, I've read the Belgariad.
[20:39:25] <Bytram> The Belgariad and the Mallorean quintologies (yes 5 books and 5 more books) were phenomenal!
[20:39:30] <BadCoderFinger> I was warned off of everything else, heh.
[20:39:43] <Bytram> I actually cried when I got to the end.
[20:39:58] <BadCoderFinger> Wow, pretty serious!
[20:40:15] <Bytram> The characters were absolutely consistent in their manerisms and behaviors all the way through!
[20:40:25] <Bytram> Many of the names escape me, now.
[20:40:46] <Bytram> Silk -- could always be counted on to be sly and more knowledgeable than he let on, for example.
[20:41:06] <Bytram> The knight (what WAS his name) would always head pell-mell into danger.
[20:41:15] <BadCoderFinger> Speaking of Silk, are you a Gene Wolfe fan?
[20:41:30] <Bytram> I guess not, don't recognize the name.
[20:41:41] <Bytram> Oh! And another series.... hold on...
[20:41:49] <BadCoderFinger> I liked the Book of the New Sun, and I loved the Book of the Long Sun.
[20:41:54] <Bytram> By L.E. Modessit Jr.
[20:42:16] <BadCoderFinger> Ah, Modesit, I have some of his books, but not read them yet.
[20:42:46] <Bytram> Dark vs Light, but in the reverse way than one would ordinarily think about them.
[20:42:51] <Bytram> order vs chaos.
[20:43:01] <BadCoderFinger> A bit like Zelazny, then.
[20:43:05] <Bytram> Really changed my world view of a number of things.
[20:43:20] <BadCoderFinger> I loved the first 5 Amber books, and I really love Lord of Light.
[20:43:22] <Bytram> sorry to say, haven't read anything by him, either.
[20:43:38] <BadCoderFinger> Start with Lord of Light.
[20:43:39] <Bytram> this is driving me NUTS! brb
[20:43:45] <BadCoderFinger> Then try Amber.
[20:44:29] <Bytram> AHA! The Magic of Recluce
[20:44:38] <BadCoderFinger> That sounds familiar...
[20:44:52] <Bytram> HIGHLY recommended!
[20:45:04] <Bytram> great writing style.
[20:45:35] <Bytram> plenty of detail to provide easy visualization without stooping to the level of John Boy in The Waltons, if you know what I mean?
[20:45:59] <Bytram> I'd put it up there with the Shanara series
[20:46:25] <BadCoderFinger> Heh
[20:46:50] <BadCoderFinger> I liked Shannara, but I wish he hadn't kept on writing prequels.
[20:47:13] <Bytram> Holy Shit! There are now 17(!) books in the Recluce series!!!!!!
[20:48:04] <BadCoderFinger> That's a lot!
[20:48:15] <mythterj> Series deteriorate perportional to the number of books in my experience... Beyond 6 or 8, forget it.
[20:48:25] <Bytram> that's for sure, and none of them were short books, either.
[20:48:52] <Bytram> ah, c'mon! The Magic of Xanth wasn't THAT bad! :P
[20:49:29] <BadCoderFinger> Xanth!
[20:49:33] * BadCoderFinger pukes a little.
[20:50:05] <Bytram> LOL!
[20:50:59] <Bytram> Well, the first few were actually kind of fun... and then it became too formulaic for my tastes. A limp story line used to weave together a bunch of bad puns
[20:51:13] <Bytram> How about Robert Aspirin?
[20:51:14] <ciri> doing good, and you?
[20:51:31] <Bytram> I found those to be fun, light-hearted reads.
[20:51:31] <BadCoderFinger> Anthony's Incarnations of Immortality series wasn't bad. But I was young then.
[20:51:41] <Bytram> ^^ YES!
[20:51:48] <BadCoderFinger> Asprin's stuff wasn't bad either.
[20:52:27] <Bytram> IoI was really thought-provoking, each entirely changed how I looked at the main character's "position" in the "world"
[20:52:43] <Bytram> Skyve!
[20:52:50] <Bytram> and Prevects!
[20:53:09] <Bytram> inane and stupid, yes, but still a lot of fun!
[20:53:19] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, I'll admit it!
[20:53:34] <Bytram> They started losing their luster when they brought on someone to help him out.
[20:53:47] <Bytram> I was greatl;y saddened to learn he had passed away.
[20:54:33] <BadCoderFinger> Like Iain M. Banks. The world is a slightly duller place now.
[20:54:38] * Bytram wonders just how many books he has read over the years. At least a couple hundred.
[20:54:48] <BadCoderFinger> The Culture novels are excellent.
[20:57:54] <Bytram> sadly, I can't remember the last time I sat down and read an entire *book* though I probably read more each day than I used to!
[20:59:32] <BadCoderFinger> I read in the evenings, if I'm not watching Black Adder, heh.
[21:00:30] <Bytram> I think that part of it is the knowlege that if I should get back into the habit of reading books, I'm not going to have any time left!
[21:00:44] <Bytram> I'm already overcommitted each day -- where *can* I find the time?
[21:01:12] * Bytram just finished re-reading an oldie but goodie: http://www.joelonsoftware.com
[21:01:12] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Strategy Letter I: Ben and Jerry's vs. Amazon - Joel on Software
[21:01:22] <BadCoderFinger> Something will have to give, heh!
[21:02:09] <Bytram> yup.
[21:02:43] <BadCoderFinger> Plus, I just read a lot. It's always been recreation, and it still seems like it.
[21:02:50] <Bytram> I've got a full-time job. I spend at least 5-6 hours a week with an outside organization. Easily that much more each week editing stories here and doing testing.
[21:03:19] <Bytram> and I live alone, so there's housekeeping, groceries, laundry, etc., too!
[21:04:40] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, that doesn't leave much time.
[21:05:06] <Bytram> and to make things even more challenging, I occsionally have to sleep! =)
[21:08:38] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, that whole sleeping thing... Not sure how to get around it yet.
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[21:09:35] <Bytram> yeah, me neither.
[21:09:42] <Bytram> Maybe I should take a nap?
[21:11:24] <BadCoderFinger> Napping works, heh.
[21:11:55] <Bytram> just finished reading: http://www.joelonsoftware.com
[21:11:55] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Strategy Letter II: Chicken and Egg Problems - Joel on Software
[21:12:05] <Bytram> I wonder whatever happened to Transmeta?
[21:12:19] <BadCoderFinger> They were bought.
[21:12:28] <BadCoderFinger> Intel bought most of what they had.
[21:12:56] <mechanicjay> Bytram: Joel has a metric crap ton of good stuff to say
[21:13:08] <Bytram> Ah!! Might help explain how they are getting so good at making low-power processors?
[21:13:49] <Bytram> mechanicjay: Yes, there are many gems. OTOH, once in a while I read something by him and think he has it all backwards and that he's just too full of himself.
[21:14:10] <Bytram> but, that's kinda throwing the bay out with the bathwater kind of thing.
[21:14:45] <Bytram> I was reminded of him when I wrote this comment yesterday: http://soylentnews.org
[21:14:45] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN comment by martyb (76)
[21:17:40] <BadCoderFinger> Spot on about google.
[21:18:24] <Bytram> thanks!
[21:18:46] <Bytram> and lo and behold but just a few hours later, we have a story on the site about google wanting to get in on the insurance market
[21:19:06] <BadCoderFinger> The one good thing about google's fiber is that it might scare the providers into some sort of action.
[21:19:08] <mechanicjay> agreed, that was a super insightful comment.
[21:19:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ubuntu Core for Smart Devices, aka "Snappy," Released - http://sylnt.us - at-least-it's-not-called-Syncopated-Sheep-or-Slutish-Saola
[21:19:37] <BadCoderFinger> Although AT&T has only pioneered "Fiber to the Press Release."
[21:19:58] <Bytram> BadCoderFinger: for that reason, and that reason alone, do I support them in their efforts. In no case whatsoever would I actually use it... even if it cost me no $$$
[21:20:16] <BadCoderFinger> I agree wholeheartedly!
[21:20:39] <BadCoderFinger> It would be like if the NSA was the only phone company.
[21:21:53] <Bytram> you nailed it!
[21:21:53] <BadCoderFinger> "The phone is free, and so are the calls!"
[21:21:55] <Bytram> BadCoderFinger++
[21:21:55] <Bender> karma - badcoderfinger: 1
[21:22:00] <BadCoderFinger> Ha!
[21:22:02] <Bytram> wot?
[21:22:04] <Bytram> BadCoderFinger++
[21:22:04] <Bender> karma - badcoderfinger: 2
[21:22:05] <Bytram> BadCoderFinger++
[21:22:05] <Bender> karma - badcoderfinger: 3
[21:22:05] <Bytram> BadCoderFinger++
[21:22:05] <Bender> karma - badcoderfinger: 4
[21:22:09] <Bytram> BadCoderFinger++
[21:22:09] <Bender> karma - badcoderfinger: 5
[21:22:13] <BadCoderFinger> Wait till Spalls sees that!
[21:22:14] <Bytram> there, that's better!
[21:24:36] <BadCoderFinger> It's sad that authors like Gibson should become revered as prophets.
[21:25:59] <BadCoderFinger> The whole cyberpunk genre where the corporations have become the government.
[21:34:21] * Bytram upgraded to a newer version of curl which broke a utility of mine; debugging a recursive program is SO much fun!
[21:37:47] <BadCoderFinger> Perl script?
[21:39:57] <Bytram> nah, that'd be realtively easy... a windows batch program which uses gnu awk and curl to recursively follow URLs until they stop 301-ing
[21:40:05] <Bytram> i.e. find the final redirected to location.
[21:40:20] <BadCoderFinger> Wow! Ouch...
[21:40:32] <Bytram> for example, take this url: "http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/cnet/tcoc/~3/5e7tR5f1CWs/story01.htm"
[21:40:33] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03And now for the alleged iPhone 6 extreme sandpaper test - CNET ( http://www.cnet.com )
[21:40:51] <Bytram> looks a little bit different, now, from the original?
[21:41:11] <BadCoderFinger> A .bat file... I see where your going, but a bat file is not really the best way to go about it, heh!
[21:41:14] <Bytram> There's actually two permanent redirects (IIRC) before it finally comes to a permanent landing
[21:42:04] <Bytram> well, it worked fine until i upgraded from curl 7.15.2 to curl 7.40.0 in one big jump.
[21:42:58] <BadCoderFinger> Command line option changes?
[21:43:23] <Bytram> I dunno. Never did figure out was different and exploring and debugging for a while...
[21:44:03] <Bytram> so, since I only had that one program using curl at the time, I just modified my program to use an the old copy of curl
[21:44:16] <Bytram> s/an the /the/
[21:44:16] <SedNotABot> <Bytram> since I only had that one program using curl at the time, I just modified my program to use theold copy of curl
[21:44:34] <mechanicjay> I hit a curl problem when going from RHEL 6 -> 7. In RHEL 7 curl is linked to the NSS ssl libraries rather than the OpenSSL ssl libraries. Which caused all sorts of ssl specific stuff to be unhappy.
[21:45:14] <BadCoderFinger> Compiling a specific version is not an option?
[21:45:17] <Bytram> hmmm, I'm only using HTTP stuff, no SSL.
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[21:45:39] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, but the SSL stuff is linked in, instead of dynamically loaded.
[21:45:47] <mechanicjay> was just a thought.
[21:45:50] <BadCoderFinger> So it can make a difference at startup time.
[21:45:59] <Bytram> BadCoderFinger: since I had both versions of the .exe lying around, I just named them appropriately:
[21:46:01] <Bytram> curl.7_15_2.exe
[21:46:02] <Bytram> curl.7_40_0.exe
[21:46:29] <Bytram> and, as a default from now on, curl.exe points to the newest one.
[21:47:03] <Bytram> so, I should be good going forward, and I can quickly identify the "odd one out" should I ever find the time to really clean it up.
[21:47:23] <Bytram> and, with that, I really should be going!
[21:47:36] <BadCoderFinger> Ok, good luck!
[21:47:57] <Bytram> BadCoderFinger: I truly enjoyed our conversation today -- brought back many a happy memory! thanks so much!
[21:48:16] <BadCoderFinger> Likewise! Find some reading time!
[21:48:51] <BadCoderFinger> I highly recommend Iain M. Banks' Culture novels.
[21:49:00] <Bytram> mechanicjay: btw, last I saw you were curing at ciri... is your day going better, I hope?
[21:49:23] <chromas> II
[21:49:23] <ciri> III
[21:49:24] <Bytram> BadCoderFinger: thanks for the recommendation, but in light of what I'd previously written, I'm just fresh out of time.
[21:50:30] <BadCoderFinger> If you get to Denver, I'll lend you my copies, heh. At some point you'll get to read again.
[21:50:45] <Bytram> much obliged!
[21:51:16] <Bytram> haven't been out that way in, what, 20 years, but who knows? It's a small world, yanno?
[21:51:29] <mechanicjay> Bytram: yeah, got some of the last of real estate stuff smoothed over....I *THINK* we're just waiting for closing at this point.
[21:51:47] <mechanicjay> also, I've always just hated ciri
[21:53:25] <BadCoderFinger> Heh!
[21:53:36] <BadCoderFinger> AI has to start somewhere...
[21:57:05] <BadCoderFinger> ciri becomes Skynet...
[21:57:53] <chromas> That's why it counts up
[21:58:01] <chromas> those are the sequels
[21:58:22] <chromas> Terminator 9: the quest for more cash
[21:59:06] <mechanicjay> That would be the ultimate cosmic joke against humanity, we're taken out by an AI that just back talks with too much snark and too many non-sequiturs.
[22:01:07] <Bytram> mechanicjay: O'Rly? You don't say!
[22:01:09] <Bytram> =)
[22:01:23] <Bytram> glad to hear it's going a bit better; best of luck to you!!!!!!!!!
[22:01:26] <Bytram> gtg
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[22:21:40] <juggs> III
[22:21:41] <ciri> IV
[22:21:42] <ciri> V
[22:21:44] <ciri> VI
[22:21:46] <ciri> VII
[22:21:48] <ciri> VIII
[22:21:50] <ciri> IX
[22:21:52] <ciri> X
[22:22:37] <BadCoderFinger> "When you see the enhanced doing that, someone help it!"
[22:23:00] <BadCoderFinger> (I love Hyperdrive...)
[23:06:05] <BadCoderFinger> Quiet in here... too quiet...
[23:09:42] <mechanicjay> I can make some noise
[23:09:50] * mechanicjay makes lot of noise
[23:12:47] <chromas> hey guys. systemd! beta! HOSTS!!123
[23:14:17] * juggs .quiet *!*@*
[23:14:25] <mechanicjay> /etc/init.d/chromas reload
[23:16:44] <mechanicjay> Honestly, when my brain off-loads the 'restart apache' command to my fingers, they still type '/etc/init.d/httpd reload'. It takes a serious conscious effort to type 'systemctl reload httpd' instead.
[23:17:57] <BadCoderFinger> Sounds about right.
[23:18:55] <mechanicjay> it's almost enough for me to want to make wrapper script called /etc/init.d/
[23:19:16] <BadCoderFinger> Heh!
[23:20:03] <mechanicjay> maybe it's a matter of keystrokes. /et[tab]in[tab]ht[tab] restart is 17 strokes
[23:20:21] <BadCoderFinger> Probably more like a long standing habit.
[23:20:27] <BadCoderFinger> Those are hard to break.
[23:20:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The State of Play for ArduPilot on Linux - http://sylnt.us - penguins-to-infinity-and-beyond
[23:21:01] <mechanicjay> syst[tab]c[tab] reload httpd is 18 -- fuck systemd!
[23:21:15] <mechanicjay> :)
[23:22:03] <BadCoderFinger> Clearly the loser!
[23:22:33] <mechanicjay> actually, since httpd used to just be a script, I really enjoyed pretty much tab completion for the names of the services rather than having to intuit them as I do now.
[23:23:19] <mechanicjay> sure systemctl with no params, in newer versions will actually list all the services, which is handy.
[23:23:29] <BadCoderFinger> Programmable completion should solve that, but you shouldn't have to.
[23:25:30] <chromas> I always used service so it's just a swap of the service name and its command
[23:25:44] <chromas> service httpd restart --> systemctl restart httpd
[23:35:57] <BadCoderFinger> I'm pretty much in the same boat as mechanicjay, my fingers just know the init.d path.
[23:52:45] * juggs dies from old age waiting for virtualbox to create a new vdi
[23:53:03] <swiss> i'm a terrible person
[23:53:30] <swiss> needed a new feature from open source thing, figured out the basics of what i needed
[23:53:49] <swiss> rather than contribute, making a friend do it so I don't have to worry about submitting pull requests and stuff
[23:54:23] <BadCoderFinger> juggs: vbox kinda bites, on Linux use LXC, heh!
[23:59:36] <juggs> never tried LXC. Probably should give it shot :)