#Soylent | Logs for 2015-01-14

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[00:28:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Internet Explorer Successor Rumored - http://sylnt.us - meet-the-new-boss
[00:47:23] <chromas> Internet Explorer: it's not chrome
[00:47:26] <chromas> I'm sold
[01:13:08] <juggs> I seem to have ended up with Arora, Chromium, Dillo, Firefox and Pale Moon browsers - not sure I need so many :D
[01:15:03] <juggs> Dillo really doesn't cope well at all
[01:24:12] <chromas> s/l/d/2
[01:25:37] <chromas> ooh, does Dillo have its own rendering engine?
[01:27:36] <juggs> Apparently so. Breaks a lot of websites' layouts though. Seems actively maintained, but really doesn't render sites well on the whole.
[01:28:04] <chromas> That's too bad, but at least there's something besides webkit and gecko
[01:28:41] * chromas installs
[01:28:58] <juggs> Tis very basic and the interface has a very Win3.1 feel to it lol
[01:29:27] <chromas> Maybe they could get Opera to give up its old source and say it didn't
[01:30:17] <chromas> 1.19MB
[01:30:56] <juggs> It is like going back to the Netscape Navigator days - or Mosaic perhaps :D
[01:31:39] <chromas> soylent renders like a mobile page
[01:31:58] <juggs> Yeah - not pretty.
[01:32:14] <juggs> A mobile page from 10 years ago at that :D
[01:32:58] <chromas> I just need to resize the window to 133x200 or so
[01:33:20] <chromas> whoops, then the margin makes it look like beta
[01:35:22] <juggs> Very odd the way it stacks the sidebar contents above the main page content
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[01:37:37] <juggs> hola BadCoderFinger o/
[01:39:02] <juggs> Can't remember why I installed it now - think I was just having a bored moment and decided to test drive a whole bunch of browsers apart from the usual main stream culprits which seem to be intent on converging to become the same thing.
[01:39:09] <Konomi> http://boingboing.net
[01:39:10] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Gentleman with 94 iPhones strapped to his body caught at Chinese border - Boing Boing
[01:40:19] <juggs> Reminds me - need to do some screen reader testing
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[01:42:48] <SpallsHurgenson> <erp>
[01:43:10] * juggs opens a window
[01:43:59] <BadCoderFinger> Yo juggs, how goes?
[01:44:31] <juggs> It goes. Yourself?
[01:46:34] <SpallsHurgenson> yo juggs, where goes?
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[01:51:19] * juggs throws a sack of angry lemurs at SpallsHurgenson
[01:51:36] <SpallsHurgenson> ooooh, I got just the recipe for those!
[01:51:49] <juggs> They cury well apparently
[01:51:54] <juggs> curry*
[01:52:29] <SpallsHurgenson> that's because curry makes everything better. Curry lemurs, curry chicken, curry pickles, curry ice-cream... it's a currystravaganza!
[01:54:22] <BadCoderFinger> Hrm, curry ice cream could work...
[01:55:43] <juggs> Well lassi certainly takes the burn out of the hottest curries, suppose it could work as a composite
[01:55:58] <SpallsHurgenson> http://www.cookingchanneltv.com
[01:55:59] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Curry and Mint Ice Cream : Recipes : Cooking Channel
[01:56:44] <SpallsHurgenson> I had a curry ice cream years ago. It was sweetened vanilla. Unusual but tasty.
[01:58:07] <juggs> BadCoderFinger, are you resident in Comoros?
[01:59:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hobbyist Scanning Tunneling Microscope - http://sylnt.us - atom-spotting
[02:02:06] <juggs> Oooh - nice brownout... lights went out and a couple of things rebooted :D
[02:02:30] <SpallsHurgenson> sorry, was powering up the DeathLaser (tm)
[02:02:33] <juggs> Must be Cameron trying to ban my encryption or something :D
[02:04:14] <SpallsHurgenson> oh no, he's h4x0r3d the electrics!
[02:04:17] <Konomi> no secrets you serfs
[02:04:57] <SpallsHurgenson> too many secrets
[02:05:34] <juggs> Was quite a bizarre utterance really. What's he going to suggest, export controls? key escrow? It's like a fucking time warp to the 90s.
[02:06:05] <SpallsHurgenson> do not question the government; they know best
[02:06:29] <juggs> Ahh, no wait, just ban all encryption and lock people up for using encrypted comms as they must be guilty of something... that something being "using encrypted comms". Fuckwit.
[02:08:20] <SpallsHurgenson> Cameron is a big fan of the idea that "information wants to be free"
[02:09:48] <juggs> Would sit quite comfortably along with the RIPA power to lock people up for not disclosing passwords to decrypt storage. 1. You're nicked for X offence 2. To prove it we need you to decrypt this thing on your computer 3. Urrm, that's not an encrypted anything, it's just a jpeg 4. We think it's encrypted storage 5. Urrm, OK, nutter. It's just a file and there is no password 6. Go to jail for a few years
[02:09:58] <BadCoderFinger> juggs: No idea where Comoros is, sorry. I live in Denver, Colorado, USA.
[02:10:59] <SpallsHurgenson> hey, you live in Denver? Do you know my friend Peter? he lives in Denver too! :)
[02:11:21] <BadCoderFinger> Heh!
[02:11:39] <BadCoderFinger> There's a lot of people here in the metro area, about 7 million or so.
[02:12:04] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah, but this is PETER we are talking about. He says he knows everybody, so everybody must know him!
[02:12:37] <juggs> BadCoderFinger, just being nosey - you have a .gyz.km rDNS it seems.
[02:12:50] <juggs> .hm being Comoros
[02:12:55] <juggs> km*
[02:12:56] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, no idea where the heck that came from.
[02:13:05] <juggs> I hadn;t heard of it before either
[02:13:30] <BadCoderFinger> But hey, cool! Maybe it's a nice island, and it's now mine!
[02:13:58] <juggs> Maybe the IP block got redistributed or sold. IPv4's a little full :D
[02:14:43] <SpallsHurgenson> we should take north korea; apparently they are sitting on 16 million IPs but route everything locally :)
[02:14:47] <juggs> https://en.wikipedia.org
[02:14:48] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Wiki: Comoros
[02:15:13] <juggs> Never heard about it until I saw a .km domain :D
[02:16:38] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, my idiot ISP keeps promising IPv6. Started about four years ago. Still no IPv6.
[02:20:09] <SpallsHurgenson> bah, you'll have to pry my local ipv4 addresses out of my cold dead hands :)
[02:22:46] <juggs> You can have a cloak BadCoderFinger - well you could if you reg'd your nick :D
[02:23:45] <BadCoderFinger> Heh, I could reg my nick, but who wants to be me?
[02:24:00] <juggs> UK ISPs seem hell bent on carrier grade NAT as a solution to running out of IPv4 space.
[02:24:01] SpallsHurgenson is now known as TheRealBadCoderFinge
[02:24:17] <BadCoderFinger> Maybe Ethanol-Fueled, but then he'd still not get chicks.
[02:24:21] <BadCoderFinger> Heh!
[02:24:27] <BadCoderFinger> Spalls wins the internet!
[02:24:28] TheRealBadCoderFinge is now known as SpallsHurgenson
[02:24:39] <SpallsHurgenson> damn, I already got one
[02:24:58] <juggs> Last we heard from EF - he was about to "get a wimmin" and be less around here.
[02:25:18] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, you can have another if the current is not to your taste
[02:25:29] <SpallsHurgenson> poor "wimmin"
[02:25:57] <juggs> I assume they are willing participants to the whole thing
[02:26:12] <BadCoderFinger> Can I borrow the one with IPv6?
[02:26:33] <BadCoderFinger> juggs: Heh, otherwise there are laws being broken!
[02:27:39] <SpallsHurgenson> you can have the internet which has facebook on it. I'll take the other one
[02:28:28] <BadCoderFinger> Bleh, facebook.
[02:28:47] <BadCoderFinger> "Friendface, friendface, FRIENDFACE!"
[02:33:28] <SpallsHurgenson> http://arstechnica.com
[02:33:29] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Why DNS in OS X 10.10 is broken, and what you can do to fix it | Ars Technica
[02:34:28] <juggs> It's interesting talking with younger relatives, Facebook is not a mainstay for them. They mostly use it to post friendly shite for elderly contacts to see.
[02:34:45] <juggs> Lovely - another brownout.
[02:34:58] <Konomi> sounds fun can't wait for my friends with macs to start bitching
[02:35:12] * juggs looks up UPS and power conditioning gear
[02:36:31] * SpallsHurgenson recommends a hyperactive gerbil
[02:37:41] <BadCoderFinger> With a cat, it becomes a UPS.
[02:39:05] * juggs puts SpallsHurgenson in a hamster wheel and hooks up a generator
[02:40:06] <SpallsHurgenson> Wheee!
[02:40:48] * JamesNZ sets Kitty upon SpallsHurgenson
[02:40:55] * juggs puts SpallsHurgenson's cat in the wheel behind SpallsHurgenson to see if they run faster
[02:41:07] <SpallsHurgenson> awww, kitty!
[02:42:26] * SpallsHurgenson lets the wheel roll to a stop so he can pick up and hug kitty. "I will call him George and I will hug him and pet him and squeeze him!"
[02:42:39] * juggs applies lasers somehow..... that's bound to work. If not I'll ban lasers, kittys, wheels and generators. For the good of everyone you understand.
[02:43:26] <juggs> Everyone and the children. We must never stop thinking about the children.
[02:43:41] <juggs> Damn I mean.. protecting the children
[02:43:48] <juggs> from the wheels
[02:43:54] <juggs> or kittys
[02:44:17] <SpallsHurgenson> if we put all the kids in tiny little boxes 24 hours a day, they would never have a chance to get hurt!
[02:44:21] <juggs> Damn where's my speech writer when I need them
[02:45:06] <juggs> little boxes with cotton wool and unicorn glitter?
[02:45:29] <SpallsHurgenson> if that's what it takes to keep them off my lawn :)
[02:46:08] * JamesNZ bolts around on SpallsHurgenson's lawn
[02:46:35] * juggs wields a torque wrench
[02:48:34] <juggs> Stop it, this is silly! Silliness and lambasting is verboten under article 101.z.232.c of the charter of "What is allowed - Bill 9", you have all been fined 10 universal credits.
[02:49:16] <SpallsHurgenson> thank god I'm never silly
[02:49:58] <SpallsHurgenson> http://www.zmescience.com
[02:49:59] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03New York City to Ban Styrofoam in July 2015
[02:50:18] <juggs> That is not for you to decide SpallsHurgenson. The Council For Determination Of Silly Actions is the only body recognised to determine silliness. If they say you have been silly then de facto you have been.
[02:51:20] * BadCoderFinger mumbles something about walks...
[02:51:23] <juggs> It is worth noting they are paid per silly-factor identified.
[02:51:28] <Leebert> NO! NOT THE CFDOSA!
[02:52:03] <chromas> "The decision comes after the Department of Sanitation that Expanded Polystyrene (EPS) announced that styrofoam is non-recyclable."
[02:52:03] <chromas> ^ what?
[02:53:12] <Leebert> I think DC banned it, too.
[02:53:30] <juggs> SoylentNews... it started well then descended in a crescendo of unbelievable WHAT THE FUCKs?
[02:53:45] <Leebert> Fortunately, the republicans got rid of that namby-pamby enviro-weenie compostable crap in the House office building cafeterias.
[02:54:08] <Leebert> And DC law has no bearing on the Capitol complex!
[02:54:30] <Leebert> juggs: In all seriousness, I do a LOT of head-scratching in the comments section.
[02:54:41] <Leebert> It seems to have attracted quite a few people who (literally) have mental problems.
[02:55:00] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, funny that.
[02:56:00] <BadCoderFinger> We should call it "Reddit Syndrome."
[02:56:57] <chromas> or slashdot
[02:57:11] <BadCoderFinger> Heh, or that.
[02:57:16] <SpallsHurgenson> or soylent :)
[02:57:26] <SpallsHurgenson> or wait... that's where we started. now I'm dizzy
[02:58:27] <BadCoderFinger> Luckily there's mod points. Maybe a new category should be introduced: "-1 Author smoking bath salts"
[03:02:22] <juggs> Leebert, SoylentNews is people as the tag line goes. The submissions are from the community as are the comments. Where the community wants to go, so the site goes. We surely do have a number of... umm... beyond the realm of 'normal' contributors in our midst (for any definition of 'normal'), but I think that's a good thing. SN is a place for everyone to have a voice, not some echo chamber.
[03:03:21] <Leebert> juggs: Don't get me wrong; I find it interesting.
[03:03:29] <Leebert> But is is indeed... interesting.
[03:03:45] * chromas whistles nonchalantly
[03:05:25] <juggs> Leebert, indeed it is. And I've held off posting anything as CEO whilst I get to grips with what SN actually is ~right now~ as opposed to the early grandiose mission statements or my own ideas for what could be.
[03:06:48] <Leebert> Very frankly, ~right now~ it is a combination of ranty dysfunctional people interdispersed with insightful polite people, commenting on copy-and-paste stories submitted by 3 people. :)
[03:07:05] <Leebert> But it's doing fairly well, all considered.
[03:07:25] <Leebert> And hanging around here has helped me understand that there are both competent and visionary people working hard behind the scenes.
[03:07:31] <Leebert> So I have confidence it will hit its stride.
[03:08:05] <BadCoderFinger> I do find all the "somebody else posted this story first!!!eleventyone!" comments tiresome. I was pretty sure that was never the point.
[03:08:52] <Leebert> Yeah, half of my submissions are stories that are like a week old. :)
[03:09:41] <BadCoderFinger> Heh, doesn't hurt me at all.
[03:14:08] <BadCoderFinger> Oh, and while I'm here:
[03:14:12] <BadCoderFinger> freebsd++
[03:14:12] <Bender> karma - freebsd: 4
[03:14:58] <juggs> Leebert, we barely have the funding to keep the servers up. I'd like SN to be a news originator, but without a significant jump in funds we're going to be following and re-distributing. I'm keen (when we get Nexus out) on longer form analysis pieces that deep dive topics of interest. But these need to be topics that interest the community as a whole not just me or anyone else on staff.
[03:15:40] <mythterj> WTF is nexus?
[03:15:47] <Leebert> As I recall, there isn't really a method of giving money beyond a subscription, right?
[03:17:50] <juggs> mythterj, Nexus allows us to have split/sub domain such as politics.soylentnews tech.soylentnews - allows us to broaden the site.
[03:17:59] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, the site could use a paypal button, heh!
[03:18:33] <juggs> Leebert, correct. The way SN is formed as a corp donations are a big no
[03:19:56] <mythterj> Or further fragmentation? Did that help the green site? Don't the ranters just post everywhere? ---oops, dinner call. later folks.
[03:23:55] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, the trolls just keep trolling.
[03:25:51] <juggs> mythterj, fragmentation is a worry. But I think it is necessary to fend off the "SN is a tech site, why is this story here" type comments. OK, we forked /. which was nominally a tech / sci site, but SN was setup as a general news and community site with a view to maintain free journalism. At this point SN is fuelled by the contributions from its own community. I'd be surprised if the community en masse were to elect to be spoon fed SN staff only ne
[03:25:51] <juggs> ws articles. I may be wrong on that....
[03:28:01] <BadCoderFinger> I enjoy the wide range of submissions, myself.
[03:32:36] <juggs> Me too. But I do understand where people come from with the "Tech . Sci" complaint. So it makes sense to allow people to customise their SN homepage content to the Topics or Nexus they wish to read.
[03:34:17] <juggs> I don't think Nexus is critical for this as it could be done by Topic now. Nexus just has expansion options beyond Topic
[03:36:02] <BadCoderFinger> I see your point, but I'm not sure it will stop the complaints. Unless you lead them by the hand, point them at the topic selection checkboxes, they'll probably still whine.
[03:36:12] <SpallsHurgenson> <whine>
[03:36:20] <BadCoderFinger> Dangit Spalls! Heh!
[03:36:34] <SpallsHurgenson> <wine?>
[03:36:41] <BadCoderFinger> <cheese!>
[03:36:44] <SpallsHurgenson> <why n>
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[03:37:06] <BadCoderFinger> <ran out of things related to wine and cheese>
[03:37:20] * SpallsHurgenson flees before he attracts the attention of the CFDOSA again
[03:38:23] <BadCoderFinger> Silly Lurks Around Every Corner! Be Vigilant! Report On Your Silly Neighbor!
[03:38:31] <BadCoderFinger> See Silly? Report Silly!
[03:41:44] * juggs dares to do a silly walk towards the washing up. They can prise the silly from my cold dead hands. Until then I shall be silly and mock remorselessly :P
[03:48:29] <BadCoderFinger> juggs: s/mock/be mocked/
[03:48:29] <SedNotABot> <BadCoderFinger> <juggs> dares to do a silly walk towards the washing up. They can prise the silly from my cold dead hands. Until then I shall be silly and be mocked remorselessly :P
[03:48:33] <BadCoderFinger> Heh!
[03:50:39] <Leebert> I suppose nothing keeps one from creating fake people to "subscribe"
[03:55:32] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, but that's going to happen.
[03:55:37] <chromas> or subscribe for 20 years
[03:56:23] <BadCoderFinger> Heh!
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[04:29:33] <juggs> BadCoderFinger, you confuse me for one who would give a shit about being mocked remorselessly.
[04:30:12] <BadCoderFinger> Well, no. Just pointing out the likely turn of events. Heh!
[04:30:45] <juggs> Indeed - nothing will ever be good enough. And rightly so.
[04:36:36] <juggs> We can improve, and we can aim for perfect, but we should not be disheartened by missing that goal. Nothing ever is perfect.
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[04:45:47] <SpallsHurgenson> except bacon
[04:48:54] <juggs> but that would lead on to the discussion of the perfect bacon.... seems very subjective. While it would be a very fervent shouty discussion, I fear it wouldn't really solve much other than how to serve a slice of pig.
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[04:49:53] <SirFinkus> there isn't really a wrong type of bacon though, it's all good
[04:49:55] <BadCoderFinger> That'll teach me to go monkeying around with my routing tables!
[04:50:03] <SirFinkus> well, except turkey bacon, but that's not bacon
[04:52:02] <SirFinkus> and whatever this is http://en.wikipedia.org
[04:52:26] <chromas> shoe soles
[04:52:44] <SpallsHurgenson> There is no bacon but the one true bacon. Bakonu-akbar!
[04:52:45] <juggs> SirFinkus, seems as long as it has salt and fat, tis all good.
[04:52:52] <chromas> "Let's pretend this shoe is whatever you people eat. Maybe it /is/ a shoe!"
[04:53:21] <SirFinkus> nope, bacon has to be from a pig
[04:53:44] <SpallsHurgenson> huh, another day, another firefox update
[04:53:51] <juggs> BadCoderFinger, do that on a remote box and you have long night ahead.
[04:53:59] <BadCoderFinger> Heh, no kidding.
[04:54:33] <SpallsHurgenson> another attempt to grab an ignobel award http://stlouis.cbslocal.com
[04:54:33] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03People Separated From iPhones Suffer Psychological Effects, Study Finds « CBS St. Louis
[04:54:46] <Konomi> can't
[04:54:48] <Konomi> play
[04:54:51] <Konomi> candycrush
[04:54:57] <BadCoderFinger> I've locked myself out remotely with iptables before. Learned that lesson the hard way.
[04:54:57] <Konomi> helpppp... heppll
[04:55:04] <JamesNZ> Play WZ2100 instead!
[04:55:16] * juggs gives Konomi candy and a hammer
[04:55:18] <BadCoderFinger> Warzone2100 is cool!
[04:55:23] <BadCoderFinger> warzone2100++
[04:55:23] <Bender> karma - warzone2100: 1
[04:55:42] <JamesNZ> \o/
[04:55:45] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[04:55:45] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03CANDY CRUSH SAGA IS EVIL - YouTube
[04:56:48] <Konomi> A study done by researchers from the University of Missouri found that users who were unable to answer their ringing iPhones while solving simple word search puzzles saw increases in their heart rates and blood pressure, while dealing with anxiety and unpleasantness.
[04:56:52] <Konomi> why does it have to be an iphone
[04:57:01] <Konomi> if I head some phone ringing while I was trying to fing concentrate
[04:57:08] <Konomi> my heart rate and blood pressure would rise too
[04:57:38] <juggs> BadCoderFinger, learning the hard way is the only way. Whatys mean I just firewalled myself out of my ssh session... that shouldn't be possible. YA - there's the car.
[04:57:44] <chromas> yeah but it would be bad for you if it was an iphone; otherwise, it's expected
[04:58:11] <SirFinkus> I always nearly shit myself when a phone rings
[04:58:19] <chromas> phones--
[04:58:19] <Bender> karma - phones: -1
[04:58:22] <Konomi> the rest of it is pretty good though
[04:58:36] <SirFinkus> at my old job I had a beeper though, that was the fucking worst
[04:58:37] <chromas> pocket_computers++
[04:58:38] <Bender> karma - pocket_computers: 1
[04:58:39] * juggs evacuates the area around SirFinkus
[04:58:40] <Konomi> and I am not surprised at all
[04:58:52] <Konomi> the more we get absorbed into tech the more it will be part of us ;p
[04:59:11] <SirFinkus> it's just a signal to panic, then you need to spend 5 minutes checking the message
[04:59:15] * juggs implants chip in Konomi
[04:59:19] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, it's all fun and games until your brain goes BSOD.
[05:00:10] <Konomi> windows on the brain
[05:00:12] <Konomi> no thankies
[05:00:14] <SpallsHurgenson> http://www.networkworld.com (actual tour begins around 2:45)
[05:00:15] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Guided tour of a Google data center | Network World
[05:00:17] <JamesNZ> Nah, it'll all be systemd by then.
[05:00:34] <Konomi> systemd and launchd all the way across the sky
[05:00:40] <BadCoderFinger> My brain will run FreeBSD! Heh!
[05:00:51] <Konomi> with launchd right?
[05:02:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Obama Agrees with Snowden on a Need for Strong Cyber Defense - http://sylnt.us - firewall-of-tubes
[05:02:37] <Konomi> need cyber condoms to perfect the cyber defense so no one cybers
[05:02:38] <Konomi> nograb
[05:02:47] <BadCoderFinger> I really could use zfs replication in my brain.
[05:03:11] <Konomi> got btrfs and fill it up with metadata
[05:03:13] <Konomi> ;p
[05:06:01] <SirFinkus> ECC Ram would be nice too
[05:06:24] <BadCoderFinger> Btrfs has some nice points, per-directory attributes instead of per-dataset in zfs.
[05:06:43] <SirFinkus> yeah, I think it'll be neat in a few years
[05:06:54] * SpallsHurgenson dreams of a pentium class machine with 8(!) mb RAM and a 500MB hard drive
[05:06:57] <SirFinkus> it still needs to bake a bit longer before I'd use it
[05:07:42] <BadCoderFinger> I used it for quite a while, it's good for desktops and laptops.
[05:07:59] <BadCoderFinger> Certain loads, it does well on servers too.
[05:08:05] <juggs> Oh wait - what happened to all the systemd-hated - is that not a thing any more? I'm losing track of the enemy of the day / hour I guess.
[05:08:57] <BadCoderFinger> I don't _hate_ systemd. I just don't see why a desktop should depend on it.
[05:09:15] <BadCoderFinger> s/desktop/desktop environment/
[05:09:16] <SedNotABot> <BadCoderFinger> I don't _hate_ systemd. I just don't see why a desktop environment should depend on it.
[05:09:33] <Konomi> I hate systemd and buses
[05:11:12] <BadCoderFinger> I ran Arch with openrc for a long time, but it got to be too much to keep it that way.
[05:11:16] <chromas> everyone hated gnome 3. now they hate systemd for making gnome 3 depend on it
[05:11:35] <Konomi> we'll find something else to hate in a few months
[05:11:45] <BadCoderFinger> Oh, I hate gnome 3 for a lot of reasons, heh!
[05:12:03] <chromas> let's get epoch into all the distros and then we can virtually lynch Subsentient
[05:12:22] <BadCoderFinger> But then, I'm not the average DE user. I go back and forth between Fluxbox and i3.
[05:12:24] <chromas> epoch++
[05:12:24] <Bender> karma - epoch: 8
[05:12:50] <JamesNZ> gnome3--
[05:12:50] <Bender> karma - gnome3: -9
[05:14:20] <juggs> I'm going to bed, hate me. If I can deflect all hate onto me perhaps I will do the rest of humanity a service :D
[05:14:51] <BadCoderFinger> juggs: Try to attract beer instead of hate. You'll be happier.
[05:15:28] <SirFinkus> ahh, the batman approach
[05:15:32] <chromas> I don't think we've put enough hate into barrabas or bluehost yet; no need to move onto you, juggs
[05:15:35] <SirFinkus> the hero gotham needs
[05:16:12] <chromas> ah, the theater—because school was closed today
[05:16:14] * SpallsHurgenson realizes his wall-o-motherboards does not have any examples of a vesa local bus :(
[05:16:29] <chromas> :(
[05:16:41] <BadCoderFinger> SpallsHurgenson: I haven't seen one in a looooooong time.
[05:16:57] <chromas> I bet you could find one buried in the basement of a school
[05:17:15] <chromas> I remember seeing TRS-80s and stuff
[05:17:24] <SpallsHurgenson> I do have one with ISA, PCI and AGP all on one board
[05:17:43] <chromas> one school had a C64 as the bell timer
[05:19:08] <SpallsHurgenson> that should teach me to throw out or sell old computers.
[05:19:11] <BadCoderFinger> Ah, fond memories of C64...
[05:19:34] <SpallsHurgenson> in the future, I'd be better off to obey my hoarding instincts
[05:19:50] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: you must keep at least one example of every technology for ever and ever
[05:20:48] <SpallsHurgenson> I think I still have an ISA video card, sound card, network card and hdd/atapi interface card :)
[05:21:41] <SpallsHurgenson> one day future-men will descend upon my home and - thanks to my stockpile - be able to play Doom on original hardware :)
[05:23:56] <SpallsHurgenson> future-men, you're welcome :)
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[06:02:32] <JamesNZ> flies--
[06:02:32] <Bender> karma - flies: -1
[06:03:13] <JamesNZ> Energetic little buggers.
[06:32:19] <crutchy_> curry++
[06:32:19] <Bender> karma - curry: 5
[06:32:36] <crutchy_> delphi++
[06:32:36] <Bender> karma - delphi: 28
[06:33:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Virgin Galactic CEO: Company and its Investors Still Committed - http://sylnt.us - phoenix-one
[06:37:37] <SirFinkus> fuck, now I want curry
[06:38:03] <JamesNZ> curry++
[06:38:03] <Bender> karma - curry: 6
[06:38:11] * JamesNZ dangles some in front of SirFinkus
[06:39:17] <SirFinkus> nevermind, now I don't
[06:40:07] <chromas> Curry pizza with Delphi
[06:45:36] <crutchy_> http://www.bbc.com
[06:45:37] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03BBC News - Japan approves record 4.98 trillion yen defence budget
[06:46:12] <crutchy_> i'ma gunna make me some curry noodles
[06:46:16] <crutchy_> yummmmm
[06:52:48] <JamesNZ> Nice :)
[06:52:56] * JamesNZ had noodles for lunch
[07:09:19] <crutchy_> not the shitty little sache curry. i pour it in from one of those orange tins :p
[07:10:31] <crutchy_> do we have a currency conversion bot?
[07:15:43] <chromas> $ddg $50 in yen
[07:15:44] <aqu4> No results found.
[07:15:45] <chromas> aw
[07:16:25] * chromas spanks exec
[07:22:52] <JamesNZ> $ddg 50 dollars in yen
[07:22:52] <aqu4> No results found.
[07:23:07] <crutchy_> http://www.bostonglobe.com
[07:23:09] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03GoPro dives on Apple camera system patent - Business - The Boston Globe
[07:23:17] <crutchy_> yet another USPTO failure :/
[07:23:48] <crutchy_> .g $50 yen
[07:24:11] <crutchy_> ciri: help
[07:24:27] <crutchy_> ciri: list
[07:24:49] <crutchy_> ciri: helpctl activate uranus
[07:27:26] <chromas> ciri doesn't seem to've a currency converter. Sounds like a jerb for exec ;) wink
[07:29:04] <JamesNZ> We need convertd!
[07:29:48] <chromas> crutchy_'s missing out in #
[07:30:27] <crutchy_> http://www.wsj.com
[07:30:28] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03A Breeder Apart: The Bull Who Sired 500,000 Offpsring Is Gone - WSJ
[07:30:31] <crutchy_> dayam!
[07:30:52] <crutchy_> i know it's prolly mostly artificial insemination, but dayam!
[07:31:16] <SirFinkus> !grab crutchy_
[07:31:16] <Bender> Added quote 344
[07:31:20] <SirFinkus> meh
[07:31:52] <crutchy_> !quote Konomi
[07:31:52] <Bender> Quote 23 - <Konomi> swearing is there for when I need an extra run to climb up my pissed off ladder
[07:31:56] <Bender> Also in quotes: 52, 83, 183, 184, 236, 246, 257, 260, 267, 272, 280, 289, 296, 298, 299, 302, 303, 316, 319, 320, 330, 335
[07:32:03] <crutchy_> wholly crab!
[07:32:10] <crutchy_> few quotes in there
[07:32:17] <crutchy_> !quote 246
[07:32:17] <Bender> Quote 246 - <Konomi> vibrate mode engaged
[07:32:21] <crutchy_> lmao
[07:32:21] <SirFinkus> !quote SirFinkus
[07:32:21] <Bender> Quote 161 - <SirFinkus> huh
[07:32:25] <Bender> Also in quotes: 162, 163, 164, 165, 253, 295, 306
[07:32:26] <SirFinkus> lol
[07:32:27] <ciri> now that is funny
[07:32:40] <SirFinkus> !quote 162
[07:32:40] <Bender> Quote 162 - <crutchy> !grope SirFinkus
[07:32:55] <SirFinkus> scandalous
[07:33:00] <crutchy_> o.0
[07:33:19] <SirFinkus> you horndog
[07:33:35] <SirFinkus> didn't know we had that kind of relationship
[07:33:36] <crutchy_> !quote xlefay
[07:33:36] <Bender> Quote 64 - <arti> this way xlefay can extort you
[07:33:40] <Bender> Also in quotes: 73, 88, 97, 101, 108, 114, 117, 121, 125, 127, 138, 145
[07:33:49] <crutchy_> !quote 1
[07:33:49] <Bender> Quote 1 - <NCommander> DarkMorph, because whenever I have to touch hashref's I want to stab my eyes out
[07:33:57] <crutchy_> !quote 2
[07:33:57] <Bender> Quote 2 - <hax0rz> highlights, gold, they shine
[07:34:06] <SirFinkus> !quote kobach
[07:34:06] <Bender> Quote 16 - <kobach> headaches--
[07:34:10] <Bender> Also in quotes: 85, 101
[07:34:13] <crutchy_> haha remember hax0rz
[07:34:18] <SirFinkus> !quote 85
[07:34:18] <Bender> Quote 85 - <kobach> sticking a metal rod through a slice of bacon over a fire isnt exactly an ideal way to cook it
[07:34:25] <SirFinkus> !quote 101
[07:34:25] <Bender> Quote 101 - <kobach> xlefay: i saw 34 messages and closed it
[07:34:31] <SirFinkus> ;_;
[07:34:37] <crutchy_> !quote 101
[07:34:37] <Bender> Quote 101 - <kobach> xlefay: i saw 34 messages and closed it
[07:34:43] <crutchy_> oops
[07:34:50] <crutchy_> my eyes aren't reading
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[07:59:26] <crutchy_> http://www.latimes.com
[07:59:26] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Obama administration plan will aim to slash methane emissions - LA Times
[07:59:43] <crutchy_> my gosh. farting will be illegal!
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[08:16:42] * Konomi bans crutchy for being a farty cow
[08:17:10] <crutchy> how did you know i was farting!?
[08:17:10] <ciri> don't ask me!
[08:17:38] <Konomi> ciri told me
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[08:27:52] <crutchy> ~openthepodbaydoors
[08:27:53] <exec> Uncle Sam comes off as the perverted relative who'll offer you a
[08:27:53] <exec> bit of candy, but if you won't bend over for him, you get a beating.
[08:33:06] <exec> 05*** SN funding has changed from $3,005.81 to $3,204.50
[08:37:18] <swiss> wooo
[08:42:09] * crutchy is listening to https://www.youtube.com
[08:42:09] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Zero Unit - Tron - Daft Punk - (Demolus Exclusive Remix) - YouTube
[08:42:29] <crutchy> daft punk is tron legacy
[08:43:03] <crutchy> and there was some shit about computers chucked in at the last minute to sell merchandise
[08:44:06] <crutchy> i used to play this with the sub cranked right up. makes good thunder
[08:47:04] * SirFinkus is listening to 八十八ヶ所巡礼 — 仏滅トリシュナー, from the album 八＋八
[08:47:07] <SirFinkus> good shit
[08:50:34] <crutchy> hehe noice
[08:50:39] <crutchy> never heard of that
[08:51:02] <crutchy> bit different from the usual jpop shit you see everywhere
[08:51:21] <SirFinkus> jpop is usually shit
[08:51:30] <crutchy> though i still think jpop > western pop
[08:51:46] <SirFinkus> naw, they're both equally shitty
[08:52:13] <SirFinkus> just different flavors
[08:53:15] * crutchy has some vangelis queued up
[08:53:26] <crutchy> theme_from_antarctica++
[08:53:26] <Bender> karma - theme_from_antarctica: 1
[08:54:55] <crutchy> gotta be the full 7:30 version though. none of the truncated crap
[09:08:30] <SirFinkus> running out of space for music
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[09:34:36] <crutchy> wow tshelllistview sucks :/
[09:35:12] <crutchy> kept getting access violations until i tried disabling autorefresh
[09:35:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - UK PM Looking to Ban Encrypted Online Communications - http://sylnt.us - Airstrip-One
[09:39:50] <chromas> poking into delphi?
[09:40:24] <crutchy> yeah. i'm updating a little backup utility that i made for work a few years ago
[09:41:40] <crutchy> got out the folder of sticky notes and printed the wishlist wiki page. focusing on bugfixes but there's been a change to the server filesystem structure so i'm building in some smarts to cope with that
[09:41:57] <crutchy> wow that sounded confusement
[09:42:02] <crutchy> like a ciri masterpiece
[09:42:48] <chromas> especially the part about printing
[09:43:10] <crutchy> printing?
[09:43:32] <crutchy> printing a waffle dock
[09:43:47] <chromas> next you'll tell us about riding the dinosaurs
[09:43:49] <chromas> grandpa
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[09:44:07] * crutchy waters his lawn
[09:46:45] <crutchy> oh printing. /me wakes up
[09:47:09] <crutchy> we have wiki pages with wishlists for softwares
[09:47:50] <crutchy> when someone wants something they tack it onto the wish list. actually a lot of the time they just complain to me and i add it to the wishlist :p
[09:48:53] <crutchy> kinda like the SN suggestion pages i guess
[09:49:03] <chromas> you need an exec to ~submit stuff
[09:49:24] <crutchy> hehe. there is. its name is jared
[09:50:48] <crutchy> spent all day today working on a plate stress analysis for a kiln. i don't get many jobs with plate analysis. one of those odd days where it was fun to be at work
[09:54:09] <chromas> nice
[09:54:13] <chromas> odd_days++
[09:54:13] <Bender> karma - odd_days: 1
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[10:06:20] <Popeidol> can you use the kiln to warm up your lunch?
[10:06:59] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[10:07:00] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03The Gallipoli Catastrophe Documentary - YouTube
[10:07:05] <crutchy> 100 years since
[10:07:24] <crutchy> hehe. it was a digital kiln in my case
[10:07:41] <crutchy> though the real thing is only a 5 minute drive away
[10:07:47] <Popeidol> ah, that's where they make digitals
[10:08:06] <Popeidol> one of my podcasts has been covering the overview of WW1 lately
[10:08:30] <Popeidol> I didn't realise that gallipoli was such a large-scale fuckup
[10:08:50] <crutchy> i always thought of the Somme as being the worst conditions, but gallipoli was pretty fucked up conditions too i guess
[10:09:01] <Popeidol> because australian schools only teach the part of the fuckup we were part of
[10:09:17] <crutchy> that part is bad enough
[10:09:32] <Popeidol> but it was actually a decent plan from the start
[10:09:40] <Popeidol> that just kind of got ruined by a lot of generals and admirals along the way
[10:09:47] <crutchy> all wars are great in theory
[10:09:50] <Popeidol> there wasn't actually meant to be a land invasion of any kind
[10:10:20] <crutchy> i've forgotten a lot of it, but yeah i vaguely remember something about that
[10:10:23] <Popeidol> I feel churchill may have got a bad rap
[10:10:48] <Popeidol> because his original plan was 'power through the strait with all our old useless ships, because we dont care if they get destroyed'
[10:11:27] <crutchy> worked in ww2 with the first british commandos in france
[10:11:27] <Popeidol> and then everybody else turned that into 'we have to stop the ships being destroyed and defend them and I guess we have to put soldiers on the ground to take some land targets to do that, and also make really slow progress because of minesweepers'
[10:12:39] <crutchy> 'we don't care if they get destroyed' is fine if you're not one of the poor bastards on them
[10:14:00] <Popeidol> agreed, but probably better than committing to a land attack where you dont actually want one
[10:14:16] <crutchy> the futility of war
[10:14:18] <Popeidol> and technically they were fine with rescuing all the people they could, they just didn't care about the ships
[10:14:45] <Popeidol> but yes: basically the whole thing was never meant to happen, which makes it all even more unpleasant
[10:17:20] <Popeidol> related: https://www.youtube.com
[10:17:21] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Stayin' in Black (The Bee Gees + AC/DC Mashup by Wax Audio) - YouTube
[10:17:45] <crutchy> hopefully the USA doesn't go full hitler. everyone seems worried about russia, but even russia seems much less aggressive than US foreign policy over the last 30 years
[10:18:20] <Popeidol> america is crazy interventionist, but they also seem inclined to set things up and then wander off
[10:18:29] <Popeidol> russia likes a proper occupation
[10:19:08] <crutchy> i think the ukraine thing is a huge western propaganda campaign
[10:19:21] <crutchy> but hard to know for sure
[10:19:52] <crutchy> nato has been poking at russia for years
[10:26:14] <Popeidol> you do not poke the bear that is mother russia
[10:28:40] <Konomi> apparently my personal details are worth a free chips and drink
[10:28:53] <Konomi> selling me short kfc \o/
[10:29:52] <crutchy> Konomi, did you score?
[10:30:08] <Konomi> no my personal data is worth more than that fuck them x.x
[10:30:08] <crutchy> actually maybe i don't wanna know :p
[10:30:09] <Konomi> ;p
[10:30:51] <crutchy> i'm prolly not paranoid enough about my personal data
[10:43:47] <chromas> do they verify it? Invent new data, rx a snack
[10:45:48] <Popeidol> not sure about this case, but fast food ones tend to require being linked to a facebook profile
[10:46:49] <chromas> those are really hard to create :)
[10:47:10] <Popeidol> its more effort than I'm willing to go to for $2 worth of snacks
[10:48:36] <chromas> but they're bad for you! Surely that's worth something
[10:50:15] <crutchy> kfc is shit anyway
[10:50:22] <crutchy> even maccas is better than kfc
[10:50:36] <Popeidol> I actually don't think I've ever had KFC
[10:50:57] <crutchy> one of my uni mates was a manager of several kfc stores
[10:51:33] <crutchy> he told me once how much a potato and gravy is worth. it was enough to put me off
[10:52:04] <crutchy> i can't even remember. it was something like 20 or 30 cents or something
[10:52:35] <chromas> fluffy potatoes are mostly air anyhow
[10:52:45] <chromas> much like a cake
[10:52:55] <chromas> therefore, potatoes are a lie
[10:54:50] <Konomi> there is some tool on the abc news radio
[10:54:51] <Konomi> saying
[10:55:12] <Konomi> "You have to have at information that is at least no older than 2 minutes to protect a coprorate network from hackers"
[10:55:18] <Konomi> I'll have some of what he is smoking
[10:56:18] <Konomi> I imagine whatever he is smoking is bought with the very easily scammed money from a few corps ;p
[10:57:08] <Konomi> I gotta find a way into bullshit security career
[10:57:16] <Konomi> so I can go on the radio
[10:57:54] <Popeidol> Konomi: spend a weekend reading sans.org and bruce schneider
[10:58:08] <Konomi> hey bruce is okay
[10:58:13] <Popeidol> and then terrify any corporation too small to have a dedicated security guy
[10:58:22] <Popeidol> they're both okay, that's why they're good
[10:58:33] <Konomi> digital arms race!
[10:58:36] <Popeidol> you'll pass any obvious bullshit meters
[10:58:44] <Konomi> we should play drinking bingo with these segments
[10:58:52] <Konomi> gotta take a shot everytime they use a buzz word
[10:58:57] <Konomi> two when they say cyber
[10:59:55] <chromas> cybercloud
[10:59:58] <Popeidol> a friend of mine does pen testing and security auditing for the state government, and honestly it'd be easy to bluff half of what he says
[11:00:04] <Konomi> cybersniper
[11:01:15] <Konomi> also those terrorists in france there was some ramblings on the radio about people who publically called out support for them on their facebook pages are getting around 10 months jail time
[11:01:21] <Konomi> free speech is ho
[11:01:22] <Konomi> go*
[11:01:31] <Popeidol> that's weird, france is kind of big on free speech
[11:01:49] <Popeidol> which is why that magazine gets to exist in the first place
[11:02:08] <Konomi> I don't believe in completely unrestricted free speech myself
[11:02:19] <Konomi> but that seems pretty hypocritical to me
[11:02:59] <chromas> /mode +q Konomi
[11:03:04] <chromas> no speech for you!
[11:07:36] <Konomi> http://map.ipviking.com
[11:07:36] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Norse - IPViking Live
[11:07:39] <Konomi> map from the radio hahaha
[11:07:44] <Konomi> pew pew goes china
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[11:08:55] <crutchy> china pwning the blagotubes
[11:09:17] <Konomi> lol I changed tabs came back
[11:09:24] <Konomi> now it looks like space is cyber attacking the usa
[11:09:25] <crutchy> fuck the graphics are just loading up. looks like a damn firestorm
[11:10:05] <crutchy> the USA is 2nd but wtf is it attacking? itself?
[11:10:37] <Konomi> makes sense!
[11:10:40] <Konomi> also
[11:10:43] <Konomi> !grab crutchy
[11:10:43] <Bender> Added quote 345
[11:10:46] <crutchy> telnet's the fave
[11:11:19] <crutchy> my wife might have something to say about you grabbing me :p
[11:11:45] <crutchy> pretend women on the internets
[11:11:47] <chromas> she would join in
[11:11:59] <crutchy> yeah she might :D
[11:12:13] <Konomi> it's okay I'd never grab anything that I don't know where it has been
[11:12:26] <crutchy> o.0
[11:12:41] * crutchy is worried that Konomi apparently knows where i've been
[11:12:44] <Popeidol> ...what just happened in switzerland
[11:12:54] <Popeidol> guys I think switzerland exploded
[11:13:06] <crutchy> is that ipviking thingy really slow for you?
[11:13:28] <crutchy> i think china was just changing clips
[11:13:29] <Popeidol> yes.
[11:14:14] <chromas> Bender: grab Konomi
[11:14:14] <Bender> Added quote 346
[11:14:42] <crutchy> look at poor straya. we just got a dot. must be the kangaroos at ayers rock
[11:14:55] <crutchy> or slightly south thereof
[11:15:10] <Popeidol> just throwing one in to remind everyone we're here.
[11:15:19] <crutchy> switzerland just exploded again
[11:15:42] <crutchy> all the ammo from everywhere seems to be flying towards the US
[11:16:09] <crutchy> i guess that's where the internet is
[11:17:08] <chromas> the nsa redirects the traffic to watch it
[11:17:11] <crutchy> the swiss are targeting miami
[11:17:22] <crutchy> kerblammo!
[11:22:03] <crutchy> china's probably using their supercomputers for DoS
[11:22:59] <crutchy> and all the personal computers are probably acting as one big botnet
[11:36:20] <crutchy> gunna play me some UT2004 before sheep
[11:36:28] <crutchy> ciao
[11:36:34] <crutchy> ~q
[11:36:36] <exec> successfully saved buckets file (41.1 kb)
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[12:35:34] <Konomi> http://www.precociouscomic.com
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[12:37:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - China's Engineering Mega-Projects Dwarf the Great Wall - http://sylnt.us - look-upon-my-works-ye-mighty
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[13:53:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:53:18] <Bender> karma - coffee: 973
[15:09:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Robots that Learn from Watching YouTube - http://sylnt.us - days-of-our-lives
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[15:39:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ammonia Leak Alarm in Harmony ISS, Crew Evacuated From Parts of the Station - http://sylnt.us - in-space-noone-can-hear-you
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[17:11:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Arguing with True Believers, and the Woes of Alfred Russel Wallace - http://sylnt.us - truthiness-is-out-there
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[18:42:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How Well Can Information Be Stored From the Beginning to the End of Time ? - http://sylnt.us - clay-tablets
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[20:13:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Possible Link Between Inhaled Oxygen And Cancer - http://sylnt.us - everything-in-moderation
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[22:42:48] <paulej72> wow this place is a ghost town
[22:43:49] <paulej72> I am feeling bad that I have not done much soylent stuff lately
[22:45:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Cell Phone Signals Offer Massive Trove of Travel Data - http://sylnt.us - honest-its-anonymized
[22:46:55] <paulej72> where's poutine and ethanol-fueled when you need them
[22:52:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> or even crutchy
[22:55:03] <Blackmoore> *tumbleweeds*
[22:55:54] <mechanicjay> Under 50 lurkers in here...
[22:55:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> i just ain't had much to say lately myself. going through one of them quiet periods.
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[23:01:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, so i kinda want a 3d printer lately. have to be one that could do large pieces though.
[23:04:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> lot easier to make things like halloween costume bits that way than any other way i know of
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[23:20:31] <fliptop> editors: my most recent story submission to SN has a typo in it, "announc(e)ment" - sorry 'bout that!
[23:22:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, ima go play some winders video games. but yall lot after while.
[23:22:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/but/bug/
[23:22:27] <SedNotABot> <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, ima go play some winders video games. bug yall lot after while.
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