#Soylent | Logs for 2015-01-04

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[00:18:09] <crutchy> coffee++
[00:18:09] <Bender> karma - coffee: 950
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[01:34:41] <paulej72> crap Colloquy on iOS was just updated and it crashes immediatly upon launch
[01:41:19] <crutchy> i guess BSB it is then :p
[01:41:24] <crutchy> *BDS
[01:41:27] <crutchy> oh fuck
[01:41:45] <crutchy> more coffee for me
[01:43:27] <chromas> soylentbsd
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[02:29:04] <Konomi> gotta install the bsb with the bds
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[02:40:04] * SpallsHurgenson checks the logs... what exciting conversation have I missed?
[02:40:55] <crutchy> dunno. i been annoying the freenode crowd a bit
[02:41:15] * crutchy feels like a splitter
[02:41:49] <crutchy> "if you wanna be in the PFJ you'd 'ave to really 'ate the romans"
[02:41:54] <chromas> We should start our own irc net with out personal ircds
[02:41:57] * SpallsHurgenson whistles "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life"
[02:41:58] <chromas> we could touch sockets
[02:43:05] <SpallsHurgenson> anyway... apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have the Romans done for us?
[02:45:35] <SirFinkus> wine
[02:46:22] <SpallsHurgenson> oh shut up :)
[02:46:40] <SpallsHurgenson> (we would also have accepted "peace" as an answer :)
[02:48:16] <Konomi> https://pbs.twimg.com
[02:49:11] <Konomi> https://twitter.com
[02:49:12] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03ABBERANT VivianJames on Twitter: "#GamerGate @FreeBSDGirl just doxxed hundreds of #GamerGate facebooks, including several of my personal friends: http://t.co"
[02:49:14] <Konomi> idiots everywhere
[02:49:16] * SpallsHurgenson looks at the picture... what the hell am I lookiing at?
[02:49:32] * Konomi wonders why people don't get it
[02:49:33] <Konomi> ;p
[02:56:50] <crutchy> doesn't doxxing depend on people having webcams set up?
[02:57:02] <crutchy> well, isn't that the point of it anyway
[02:57:33] <crutchy> never understood why people have webcams set up while they're playing games
[02:58:11] <SpallsHurgenson> no its just giving out info (documentation) that can personally identify or embarass somebody
[02:58:26] <SpallsHurgenson> like their names, addresses, SSN, emails, twitter accounts, etc
[02:58:27] <crutchy> "you look like rambo in the game... why do you look like my little brother in the webcam!?"
[02:58:54] <crutchy> oh. how do they get hold of that info?
[02:58:58] <SpallsHurgenson> and given how loony some people on the internet can be, having that information made available to the nutcases can be a bad thing :)
[02:59:14] <SpallsHurgenson> hax0ring :)
[02:59:18] <crutchy> oh
[02:59:27] <crutchy> i'm glad i don't play online games
[02:59:31] <SpallsHurgenson> or just following the trail of breadcrumbs
[02:59:41] <Konomi> doxing just means linking an anonymous or pseudo anonymous object to a real name address etc
[02:59:48] <SpallsHurgenson> doesn't have anything to do with games. you could probably be doxed just from your IRCing
[03:00:02] <crutchy> though i guess you guys could just about doxx me based on what i've mentioned in irc
[03:00:16] <Konomi> why do you think I don't talk much about myself besides my country ;p
[03:01:20] <crutchy> i'm not that worried. cops in straya aren't as batshit crazy as in the US
[03:01:54] <SpallsHurgenson> its not only cops you have to worry about. batshit crazy people are all over :)
[03:01:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apple Campus 2 Aerial View - http://sylnt.us - such-great-heights
[03:02:11] <crutchy> oh you don't need to be doxxed for that
[03:02:25] <crutchy> batshit crazy people don't need online gaming as an excuse
[03:02:37] <SpallsHurgenson> no, but it helps the batshitters locate their targets :)
[03:02:56] <crutchy> "there's a house over there... lets fuck it up!"
[03:03:26] <Konomi> crutchy: actually they are just the difference is we don't hear about it most of the time
[03:03:29] <Konomi> ;p
[03:03:41] <SpallsHurgenson> no, more along the lines of "that guy said something I disagree with on the internet! now I will show him what comes of having an opinion different from mine, muahahaha!"
[03:03:45] <crutchy> Konomi, what do you mean?
[03:03:53] <Konomi> exactly what I said
[03:03:59] <crutchy> who's they? sorry not following. need moar coffee
[03:04:00] <Konomi> what part didn't you understand?
[03:04:09] <Konomi> 14:01 < crutchy> i'm not that worried. cops in straya aren't as batshit crazy as in the US
[03:04:17] <crutchy> oh :p
[03:04:30] * crutchy rereads konomi's comment in that context
[03:04:49] <Konomi> the reason you don't hear about it much here is the middle class of au isn't quite as destroyed yet
[03:05:05] <Konomi> and they generally don't get targetted as much
[03:05:07] <crutchy> Konomi, possibly. i can't imagine batshit crazy cops and doxxing would escape the media here though
[03:05:09] <Konomi> so it's not news worthy to them
[03:05:24] <Konomi> doxxing probably ends up as trolling here
[03:05:28] <Konomi> cough daily mail cough
[03:06:04] <crutchy> when i think of doxxing i think of those videos with the FBI busting down doors and dragging players off in handcuffs
[03:06:15] <crutchy> that's what i was thinking when i said 'batshit crazy'
[03:06:33] <Konomi> swatting?
[03:06:48] <crutchy> oh. maybe i got my terminology mixed up then
[03:06:56] <Konomi> www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/shots-fired-at-home-in-sydneys-south/story-fn3dxiwe-1226942375909
[03:06:57] <SpallsHurgenson> that's not doxxing; that's swatting. know your meme :)
[03:07:09] <Konomi> "HACKERS from anywhere in the world could have gained access to a Sydney teenager's computer and sparked an elaborate shooting hoax in the city's south.
[03:07:17] <crutchy> lol get off my lawn young whippersnapper! :p
[03:07:26] <Konomi> pretty sure SpallsHurgenson is older than you
[03:07:29] <Konomi> just fyi ;p
[03:07:42] <SpallsHurgenson> shaddup; I'm still young!
[03:07:51] <Konomi> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[03:07:51] <crutchy> prolly yeah. SpallsHurgenson you have even less excuse for knowing the difference!
[03:07:52] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Australia's first public swatting victim a nice bloke • The Register
[03:08:15] <crutchy> yeah people who webcam while online gaming are idiots
[03:08:20] * SpallsHurgenson does whatever it is young people do, to prove his youth!
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[03:09:14] * chromas gives SpallsHurgenson an ubuntu cd
[03:09:14] <crutchy> so what's doxxing then?
[03:09:15] <SpallsHurgenson> I game with a webcam, but play totally in the buff. sure, they CAN see me but I'm pretty sure no one is looking :)
[03:09:21] <crutchy> lol
[03:09:22] <ciri> i missed it, what are you laughing at? >.>
[03:09:43] <crutchy> ciri; wrong one... should have been 'lol damn!'
[03:09:52] <chromas> crutchy: doxxing = docs-ing; finding docs
[03:09:54] <SpallsHurgenson> doxing is giving out personally identifiable info
[03:10:11] <SpallsHurgenson> which can be useful later if you want to swat them (or just stalk and harrass them)
[03:10:12] <crutchy> ah. well in that case i'm more worried about banks than gamers
[03:10:36] * crutchy puts a fly swatter nearby (just in case)
[03:10:42] <Konomi> https://en.wikipedia.org
[03:10:43] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Wiki: Doxing
[03:10:49] <SpallsHurgenson> somebody dox crutchy so I can sign him up for fifty credit cards and 100 magazines :) :)
[03:10:52] <Konomi> https://en.wikipedia.org
[03:10:53] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Wiki: Swatting
[03:11:40] <crutchy> thanks Konomi
[03:11:45] <chromas> crutchy crutchington at 12345 hunter ln
[03:11:45] <crutchy> Konomi++
[03:11:45] <Bender> karma - konomi: 40
[03:11:50] <crutchy> lol
[03:12:42] <crutchy> i think cops here would be less likely to go full-rambo on my front door than in the US
[03:13:19] <Konomi> "An unknown online crim drew 16 armed police to raid a Sydney man's home, by way of a fake emergency call to Queensland police."
[03:13:22] <Konomi> sure sure ;p
[03:13:30] <chromas> Yeah but what if we find out where you are? Konomi could release the hounds to your house
[03:13:46] <crutchy> Konomi, i'm sure it could happen
[03:13:52] <Konomi> you think a swatt team is scary just wait
[03:13:55] <crutchy> just not sure it would be as likely
[03:14:01] <Konomi> I am installing freaking lasers on their heads \o/
[03:14:16] <crutchy> lol. you are scary cos you know bash
[03:14:26] <crutchy> bash fu
[03:14:32] <chromas> the hounds will install systemd in your laptop
[03:14:46] <chromas> and your butt
[03:14:48] <crutchy> as long as it gets rid of the windows virus
[03:15:03] <crutchy> that would be an interesting SN poll?
[03:15:11] <crutchy> which is worse: windows or systemd?
[03:15:19] <crutchy> erm
[03:15:24] <crutchy> windows or linux+systemd
[03:15:30] <chromas> into which of your orifices should our dogs install systemd?
[03:15:36] <SpallsHurgenson> osx :)
[03:15:49] <Konomi> I'll install iosx on your pc
[03:15:49] <crutchy> yeah osx is pretty bad
[03:15:53] <Konomi> cough ;p
[03:16:36] * SpallsHurgenson hands konomi some vitamin c
[03:16:39] <crutchy> hehe just reminded me of https://www.youtube.com
[03:16:41] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Steve Jobs vs Bill Gates. Epic Rap Battles of History Season 2. - YouTube
[03:22:32] <JamesNZ> erb++
[03:22:32] <Bender> karma - erb: 1
[03:25:29] <paulej72> Well I got an updated client on my iPad wok in for irc
[03:25:52] <SpallsHurgenson> an ipad wok? that's cooking with style!
[03:26:48] <paulej72> Working. Damn auto correct
[03:27:11] <SpallsHurgenson> colloquy?
[03:29:37] <paulej72> yes
[03:29:59] <SpallsHurgenson> I tried that; wasn't too bad (actually, it seemed to have more functionality than my current irc client :)
[03:30:11] <paulej72> they just pushed out a bug fix today after 1.7 was released and apple approved it rather qickly
[03:31:28] <paulej72> the new version has better playback of ZNC buffers, looks more like the normal flow of the messages
[03:35:00] <Konomi> iPads are so restrictive x.x
[03:35:25] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah, but for a media consumption device that's not really an issue
[03:36:06] <Konomi> wait you don't program on your tablet!?
[03:36:07] <Konomi> ;p
[03:36:23] <chromas> need to invent gesture-based programming
[03:36:29] <SpallsHurgenson> I mostly just download updates to apps on my tablet these days :)
[03:38:48] <Konomi> I just update my nsa firmware ~
[03:38:50] <crutchy> there's heaps of info on the web about konomi. she's obviously a cute anime chick :p
[03:39:03] <Konomi> yeah good luck doxxing this nick ha
[03:40:31] <crutchy> hehe
[03:41:32] <chromas> you've dropped enough hints though
[03:41:50] <chromas> Anyone here in oz have a cat who's left alone with a computer running Debian?
[03:42:33] <paulej72> is cat now systemd
[03:42:35] <crutchy> living across the street from a bunch of bogans? hmm that leaves half the country's population :/
[03:42:35] <Konomi> ;p
[03:43:46] <crutchy> paulej72, its now catctl /etc/passwd
[03:46:03] <paulej72> could a cat sleeping on a keyboard create a better product than systemd just by happenstance
[03:46:24] <crutchy> if it takes a dump on the keys?
[03:46:41] <SpallsHurgenson> cats cannot program. I've tested this repeatedly
[03:46:57] <crutchy> you're not feeding it enough meaty bytes
[03:47:43] <SpallsHurgenson> they write excellent comments however
[03:47:57] <crutchy> and irc chit chat?
[03:48:16] <crutchy> we wanna hear from kitty
[03:48:52] * SpallsHurgenson drops kitty on the keyboard. before she scrambles off, she wisely suggests: rd
[03:49:40] <crutchy> rd eh. man that's the smartest thing i've heard all day :p
[03:50:24] <crutchy> ~define-add rd, what SpallsHurgenson's kitty thinks of SN
[03:50:25] <exec> definition for term "rd" set to "what SpallsHurgenson's kitty thinks of SN"
[03:59:51] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, you have reply in #help
[04:00:54] <SpallsHurgenson> oops, sorry juggs. I get easily distracted
[04:01:17] <juggs> lol just wanted to make sure you saw
[04:01:38] <SpallsHurgenson> I didn't. there was something shiny on the floor :)
[04:01:41] <crutchy> his kitty has taken over his pyewta
[04:02:01] <crutchy> the real SpallsHurgenson has been tied up
[04:02:14] <SpallsHurgenson> leave my sex life out of this!
[04:02:34] <crutchy> i'm just jealous :p
[04:02:49] <paulej72> kitty tied up master?
[04:03:07] <SpallsHurgenson> I've never had a kitty who has shown the least bit of interest in computers. not even youtube
[04:03:31] <crutchy> isn't there apps with things that cats like to chase?
[04:03:39] <crutchy> for ipads and whatnot
[04:03:45] <SpallsHurgenson> there are apps. kitty doesn't chase
[04:04:04] <crutchy> ah. smart kitty
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[04:04:41] <SpallsHurgenson> more like old kitty
[04:05:06] <crutchy> my parents have one of those
[04:05:10] <crutchy> drool--
[04:05:10] <Bender> karma - drool: -1
[04:05:18] <crutchy> cat_drool--
[04:05:18] <Bender> karma - cat_drool: -1
[04:05:24] <SpallsHurgenson> old and fat kitty. old, fat and spoiled kitty who is happy to be carried to her food bowl :)
[04:05:45] <crutchy> hahaha. definitely a smart kitty :p
[04:05:52] * SpallsHurgenson is well aware of which of us is the dominant creature in the relationship :)
[04:06:00] <paulej72> is an old kitty anything like a an old pussy
[04:06:24] <crutchy> less fur
[04:06:43] <crutchy> on the kitty :p
[04:07:35] <paulej72> I need mind bleach
[04:07:38] * SpallsHurgenson wisely attempts to change the conversation, "So how 'bout that weather?"
[04:07:50] <crutchy> :D
[04:08:51] <SpallsHurgenson> how much snowfall did you guys get today?
[04:08:52] <ciri> you talking to me?
[04:09:11] <paulej72> rain all day here
[04:09:17] * SpallsHurgenson glares at ciri, "second warning, bot!"
[04:09:35] <crutchy> only 29 C here today
[04:09:53] <crutchy> quite pleasant (compared to yesterday)
[04:11:58] <paulej72> let's change the axial tilt of the earth to even out these temp changes
[04:13:02] <SpallsHurgenson> don't mess with the earth
[04:13:05] <SpallsHurgenson> move the sun instead :)
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[04:16:50] * SpallsHurgenson officially declares that juggs is awesome
[04:17:38] <paulej72> I guess I missed something
[04:18:22] <SpallsHurgenson> perhaps I just go around randomly declaring people to be awesome
[04:20:12] <crutchy> ooh maybe i should apply for that
[04:20:17] <juggs> Did you get a ceiling yet SpallsHurgenson ?
[04:21:12] <juggs> thanks for the what-if RSS suggestion crutchy
[04:21:15] <SpallsHurgenson> I have a big blue plastic tarp nailed to the drywall :)
[04:21:25] <paulej72> cool ceiling kitty
[04:21:42] <SpallsHurgenson> everytime I opena door or a window the whole thing fluxes and scares the cat
[04:21:53] <paulej72> lol
[04:23:15] <SpallsHurgenson> on the plus side, I dumped the old cabinet where I stashed my 'puter bits and bought a big shelf with big plastic boxes
[04:23:25] <SpallsHurgenson> now I have so much more room for useless computer junk :)
[04:23:34] <juggs> The horrors! You tidied up!?
[04:23:54] <juggs> How will you find anything if it's not all in one big pile?
[04:23:55] <ciri> not sure
[04:25:16] <SpallsHurgenson> everything in its place!
[04:25:44] <paulej72> but where that place is nobody knows
[04:28:41] <juggs> particularly so in Spalls reality :D
[04:29:55] <SpallsHurgenson> do not doubt my OCD!
[04:31:45] * SpallsHurgenson moves his pen half an inch to the right and ensures it is perpendicular to the edge of the table
[04:32:12] <chromas> Did you measure it?
[04:32:19] <SpallsHurgenson> ohmigosh, no!
[04:32:19] <paulej72> my procrastination is in a perpetual battle with my pcd
[04:32:23] <crutchy> perpendicular!? that's offensive!
[04:32:50] <crutchy> must be precisely 30 degrees for truly isometric arrangement
[04:32:52] * SpallsHurgenson makes sure the pen is 2.5" inches away from either edge
[04:33:04] <paulej72> s/pcd/pcd/
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[04:33:42] <paulej72> ocd damn autocorrect
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[04:35:20] <crutchy> s/ocd/pcp/
[04:35:50] <crutchy> s/ocd/BSD/
[04:37:14] <paulej72> did we kill all of the sedbots
[04:37:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72: s/sed/sex/
[04:37:40] <SedNotABot> <TheMightyBuzzard> <paulej72> did we kill all of the sexbots
[04:37:44] <chromas> s/./x/g
[04:37:44] <SedNotABot> <chromas> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[04:38:04] <paulej72> I guess not
[04:39:38] <chromas> it doesn't reply unless you're staff
[04:39:52] <chromas> sorry you had to find out this way
[04:40:04] <chromas> ( :D )
[04:40:43] <SpallsHurgenson> that's nothing a little bribery can't fix
[04:40:50] <paulej72> don't get me angry, you won't like me when I am angry
[04:41:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'true. he leaks green stuff all over his purple pants.
[04:41:57] <SpallsHurgenson> where does the hulk get all that extra mass from anyway?
[04:41:59] <ciri> out and about!! SpallsHurgenson
[04:42:13] <paulej72> dark matter
[04:42:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> i was gonna say wal-mart
[04:44:01] <chromas> people of hulkmart
[04:44:58] <chromas> speaking of which, http://www.peopleofwalmart.com
[04:44:59] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Hulk Snowgan - People Of Walmart : People Of Walmart
[04:47:41] <crutchy> he prolly eats people from walmart
[04:50:49] <SpallsHurgenson> that sounds incredibly unhealthy
[04:51:42] * juggs sneaks in and moves Spall's pen 1/32" to the right
[04:52:55] * SpallsHurgenson breaks out the ruler and t-square
[04:53:04] * crutchy hasn't heard of 1/32" since working for an aircraft company
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[04:53:54] <SpallsHurgenson> wow... those must have been some tiny planes :)
[04:54:16] <chromas> n scale
[04:54:49] <crutchy> just tiny tolerances :p
[04:56:17] <juggs> I always have to pause for thought when snapping metric sockets onto imperial drives (3/8", 1/2", 1/4" etc) makes me think.. "what madness is this!"
[04:56:52] <juggs> imperial is not uncommon in aerospace is it? afaiu
[04:57:08] <crutchy> its the defacto standard
[04:57:22] <crutchy> in australia anyway
[04:57:34] <crutchy> funny cos everything else is metric
[04:57:45] * juggs points at a sparkly squirrel, lest we get detoured to thread pitches
[04:58:04] <SpallsHurgenson> so what exactly is a thread pitch?
[04:58:14] * juggs points at a sparkly squirrel
[04:58:14] <swiss> distance between the threads
[04:58:15] <crutchy> threads are ok till you get to tapering
[04:58:25] <SpallsHurgenson> tell me more about tapering
[04:59:02] <chromas> lets consult urban dictionary…
[04:59:10] <crutchy> thread tapering is going from a big ribbed hole to a smaller ribbed hole :p
[04:59:29] <SpallsHurgenson> what else do you know about holes?
[04:59:38] <chromas> and ribs
[05:00:07] <crutchy> i get paid to check holes :p
[05:00:58] <SpallsHurgenson> find anything interesting in any of them?
[05:01:24] <crutchy> sometimes there's a bolt
[05:01:30] <SpallsHurgenson> no!
[05:01:30] <juggs> don't dig too far, if you do you unleash dinosaurs like me
[05:01:32] <crutchy> and one or more nuts
[05:01:41] <SpallsHurgenson> a bolt? in a hole?
[05:01:51] <crutchy> hard to believe i know
[05:01:53] * SpallsHurgenson is speechless
[05:02:39] * juggs contemplates adding SN branded threadlock to the swag store.... probably sell better than coffee++ mugs :D
[05:03:01] <crutchy> we need SN poly pipe too
[05:03:39] <SpallsHurgenson> SN crack pipes?
[05:04:06] <crutchy> we can call it an environmental initiative... a roll of poly pipe makes for a half decent solar water heater :)
[05:04:11] <chromas> Don't just lock your threads. Moderate them!
[05:04:53] <crutchy> just slip something about it into the next congressional spending bill
[05:05:13] <juggs> crutchy, good luck with that anywhere other than sun bleached Aus
[05:05:57] <crutchy> even garden hoses can make hot water here
[05:06:39] <juggs> I'm not sure if that is a good or bad thing.
[05:10:24] <crutchy> usually bad
[05:10:53] <swiss> i did not realize coffee++ mugs existed
[05:11:00] <swiss> If I buy one, can it count as a coffee--
[05:11:25] <crutchy> you just white out the bits over and under the --
[05:11:26] <juggs> I think there are coffee-- mugs available too.
[05:11:50] <swiss> i'd have to cover it up
[05:12:01] <crutchy> what about crutchy_is_awesomer++ mugs?
[05:12:12] <juggs> Been a while since I looked - I should know as I was involved with setting it up, but my memory is <goldfish
[05:12:33] <juggs> crutchy, we have a custom text option for swag
[05:13:49] <swiss> i'm buying a coffee++ one
[05:13:51] <swiss> coffee--
[05:13:51] <Bender> karma - tea: 347
[05:13:55] <swiss> Noooooo
[05:13:57] <swiss> --coffee
[05:13:58] <Hedonismbot> Karma - coffee: 205
[05:14:42] <crutchy> i don't think i could buy a coffee++ mug any more since the political process has been corrupted by lobbyists
[05:14:55] <crutchy> its all xlefay's fault :p
[05:14:57] <swiss> huh?
[05:15:15] * SpallsHurgenson blames Micro... oh, forget it
[05:18:26] <juggs> Always open to new swag options :) It kinda died in the wind
[05:19:09] <crutchy> juggs, do you know what has happened to a lot of the staff? are they still alive?
[05:19:57] <crutchy> and xlefay? i still dunno what's up with that guy. i'm guessing something medical
[05:20:04] <SpallsHurgenson> were they ever alive to begin with? I always thought soylentnews was a sort of undead cult
[05:20:20] <crutchy> first rule of soylent...
[05:20:33] <SpallsHurgenson> ...braaaaaiiiiinnnns!
[05:22:46] <juggs> crutchy, I know no more than you when it comes to xlefay or other staff (probs less). This is a volunteer effort right now, people come and go for their own reasons which they may or may not share.
[05:23:01] <crutchy> nod
[05:23:25] <crutchy> i'm not complaining. you guys done so much already
[05:23:55] <crutchy> just seems to be some cooling of the fire
[05:24:15] <crutchy> still smoldering though :)
[05:24:24] <crutchy> can't get rid of me that easy
[05:24:40] <juggs> we'll get you on staff yet :P
[05:25:11] * chromas turns on the TV to find crutchy's most favoritest show on
[05:25:48] <juggs> Of course there is cooling, as with any "new" thing. You get the initial burn, the booster rockets fall off and suddenly it gets very hard and real.
[05:27:07] <juggs> Hence why I have my head in spreadsheets rather than idealism.
[05:32:11] <juggs> crutchy, can't add your what-if suggestion to Regurgitator. It's got a problem with https feeds that I have yet to squish. I think it's a problem in the underlying TCL-SSL libs, which puts it beyond my ken to fix.
[05:32:33] <juggs> http redirects to https - thamnks for that
[05:33:10] <crutchy> hmm
[05:33:52] * juggs tasks crutchy with a new Soylent rss aggregator to replace Regurgitator
[05:34:12] <juggs> pseudo-staff
[05:34:43] <crutchy> haven't played with it for a while, but there's this: https://github.com
[05:34:44] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03exec-irc-bot/feeds.php at master · crutchy-/exec-irc-bot · GitHub
[05:34:48] <juggs> must parse rss and atom on both http and https
[05:36:45] <juggs> Beyond my ken / time available.
[05:37:31] <crutchy> i'll see if i can get it to read the what-if thingy
[05:39:05] <Konomi> you have a ken?
[05:39:23] <crutchy> Konomi, i am ken :D
[05:39:40] <Konomi> does that mean your missing a crotch?
[05:40:06] <crutchy> umm...
[05:40:42] <Konomi> http://galleryplus.ebayimg.com
[05:40:43] <Konomi> ^
[05:42:04] <crutchy> you're missing a part
[05:42:06] <crutchy> http://9news.static9.net.au
[05:42:20] <Konomi> that's not a ken product ;p
[05:42:26] <crutchy> :D
[05:43:05] <crutchy> hmm think i might get rid of all the wiki crap from the feeds script
[05:43:09] <crutchy> confusing me
[05:48:47] <SpallsHurgenson> time to flee in terror
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[05:50:40] <Konomi> product advertised as expected
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[05:58:28] <crutchy> my script reads the https fine but i'm just trying to fix a bug in the url parser
[06:02:43] <juggs> Konomi!
[06:02:59] <Konomi> mew?
[06:03:13] <juggs> \o/ YAY
[06:03:26] * Konomi glares
[06:04:04] <juggs> I have "mew" fetish....... who knew :D
[06:04:21] * Konomi glares more
[06:04:46] * juggs invokes Oakleys
[06:08:30] <juggs> you look great in polarised light Konomi
[06:08:45] <Konomi> troll! >.<
[06:12:17] <crutchy> soylent kink
[06:12:46] <crutchy> original ninja turtles >> new ninja turtles
[06:27:47] <juggs> troll? muahahahah I'd have to say misogynist or lamergate to get that label wouldn't I?
[06:28:42] <juggs> I vote for #crutchygate
[06:34:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - India's Ministry of Science &amp; Technology Join Open-Access Push - http://sylnt.us - sharing-is-caring
[06:39:09] <Subsentient> http://soylentnews.org
[06:39:10] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN journal Epoch Init System 1.2.1 released. 04(0 comments)
[06:43:47] <crutchy> poor bender is suffering from &amp;itis
[06:44:36] <crutchy> Subsentient, you should name it "Epoch NT"
[06:44:54] <crutchy> s/NT/NT4/
[06:44:54] <SedNotABot> <crutchy> Subsentient, you should name it "Epoch NT4"
[06:44:56] <juggs> Bender is suffering from complexitis
[06:45:21] <Subsentient> crutchy: dafuq? Where'd that come from?
[06:45:53] <crutchy> still haven't gotten around to fixing my little url parse bug. its dinner time in the crutchy household :p
[06:46:12] <crutchy> Subsentient, if you do that it will take over the world
[06:47:01] <Subsentient> crutchy: lollll
[06:47:57] <juggs> Would that be a good thing? I feel a couch and encouraging words are in my near future
[06:49:24] <crutchy> Subsentient Poettering :D
[06:49:45] * Subsentient chases crutchy down the street whipping him with a netbook charger
[06:50:22] * juggs just observes
[06:50:26] <crutchy> at least buy me a drink first :p
[06:50:36] <ar> hm
[06:50:46] <ar> i wonder how the dell d5000 dock works
[06:50:59] <crutchy> does it use electricity?
[06:51:12] <Subsentient> crutchy: No, diesel
[06:51:14] <juggs> ar - do write us an article on that
[06:51:23] <Subsentient> Use only in well ventilated arieas
[06:51:30] <crutchy> yeah my guess was a bit of a long shot
[06:51:34] <Subsentient> s/arie/are/
[06:51:34] <SedNotABot> <Subsentient> Use only in well ventilated areas
[06:51:44] <ar> as in, does it work as an accesspoint on 802.11ad, or does it only use 802.11ad as a transport for wireless pcie
[06:52:00] <crutchy> hehe you still pondering that?
[06:52:12] <crutchy> we were left stumped as to what the 'ad' meant
[06:52:40] <ar> i bought from our local "ebay-like" site both the dock and the dell dw1601 card
[06:52:57] <ar> now i'm trying to see what driver updates for the dock contain
[06:53:19] <juggs> good luck
[06:53:57] <ar> https://github.com - found this in the meantime. a utility to extract stuff from .msi files, especially those that don't like msiexec. requires wine, but otherwise works fine
[06:53:57] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03activescott/lessmsi · GitHub
[06:56:06] <juggs> does it really matter what the userland drivers contain if you have no idea what the firmware on-board contains?
[06:56:21] <ar> the only certain thing about this dock that i found, is that it uses a 5000-series displaylink chip, which allows it to support a single 4k display or 2 fullhd displays
[06:56:35] * juggs jiggles the tin
[06:56:50] <ar> juggs: i was checking if the driver package contains the firmware update file, which would be nice
[06:58:14] <juggs> The goose was cooked long ago.
[06:58:29] <ar> also, the wigig cards are quite cheap here. ~120pln. bought two of them
[06:58:59] <ar> and grabbed the dock for ~200pln
[06:59:26] <juggs> bargain
[07:03:27] <crutchy> !pln.aud 200
[07:06:31] <crutchy> ~define hedonism
[07:06:32] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3Hedonism: The act of doing everything that is pleasurable to yourself. Also the avoidance of pain.
[07:06:41] <crutchy> o.0
[07:07:41] <crutchy> i guess its better than Masturbationbot
[07:09:11] <Konomi> it mostly means to prioritise pleasure over everything else
[07:09:52] <crutchy> do we have a hedonism party in straya?
[07:10:00] <crutchy> ooh i guess we have a sex party
[07:10:00] <Konomi> every day I imagine
[07:10:13] <crutchy> perhaps i should sign up
[07:10:42] <Subsentient> ~define utilitarianism
[07:10:45] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3Utilitarianism: A philosophy that people should act in order to increase the frequency and longevity of pleasure throughout the world. Although the idea acting to increase long-term and global pleasure sounds desirab...
[07:10:49] <crutchy> q:what does the sex party stand for? a:fiik but they have sex in the name so it must be awesome!
[07:11:04] * Subsentient is a utilitarian
[07:11:14] <Konomi> never really thought it'd be a good name for a political party
[07:11:30] <Konomi> mise well call them selves the fuck party
[07:11:34] <Konomi> was probably the first name that they had
[07:11:44] <Konomi> but then they kept getting too many calls about what date and place ;p
[07:11:51] <crutchy> lol
[07:11:51] <ciri> lol damn!
[07:12:18] <crutchy> your knowledge of such things is disturbing
[07:12:46] <chromas> And the members of the party called sexists?
[07:12:49] <Konomi> I do hate the left because of the crazies sometimes
[07:12:53] <crutchy> you're supposed to be a cute anime chick
[07:12:55] <Konomi> being extreme as possible
[07:12:59] <Konomi> that will get people on side!
[07:13:26] * Subsentient is a fuzzy cyan rat
[07:13:48] * Subsentient contemplates scampering up someone's pants leg
[07:13:51] * Konomi gets Subsentient a hampster wheel
[07:13:52] * crutchy is a ken doll with a dil-doh attachment
[07:14:26] <Konomi> same way I like dislike gay parades ;p
[07:15:10] <Konomi> "we want to be treated like everyone else! I know lets put on a huge parade and go out half naked! That'll do it!"
[07:15:13] <Konomi> >.<
[07:15:15] * Subsentient is socially conservative in some ways and hard left economically
[07:15:19] <Landon> ugh I hate webdedv
[07:15:41] <Landon> finally got my site up to an acceptable state
[07:15:55] <Subsentient> Landon: Link?
[07:15:56] <Landon> the whole web stack... css... js... html... seems half baked
[07:15:58] <Konomi> did you shove all the javascript in the closet so we can't find it?
[07:16:00] <Landon> http://lfowles.org
[07:16:01] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Landon A. Fowles | Landon A. Fowles
[07:16:10] <Landon> was https://web.archive.org
[07:16:10] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Landon A. Fowles | Landon A. Fowles
[07:16:19] <crutchy> Landon, notepad.exe is all you need
[07:16:25] <crutchy> oh and mspaint
[07:16:28] <Konomi> no edit.com pleassseee
[07:16:36] <Landon> hah well
[07:16:40] <Subsentient> Landon: Your site looks fancy compared to mine: http://universe2.us
[07:16:40] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Universe 2
[07:16:42] <Landon> you'll notice I have the editor baked in :>
[07:16:46] <Landon> click Toggle Page Source
[07:16:48] <crutchy> oh yeah with mouse.com edit.com is pretty sweet
[07:16:53] <Konomi> dear god 1995 is that you
[07:16:58] * Konomi runs
[07:17:31] * Subsentient watches konomi unbeknownst to her from the ceiling
[07:17:43] * Subsentient looks for Konomi's servers
[07:17:48] <Landon> is that
[07:17:52] <Landon> a squirrelmail frontend to gmail
[07:17:54] * Landon pukes
[07:17:59] <crutchy> i made a php self-editor for a site once. gotta be real careful you don't fk up or bam! no more self-editor :p
[07:18:00] <Subsentient> Landon: Yes it is :^D
[07:18:10] <Landon> I did the same thing for college email though, but with roundcube
[07:18:20] <Subsentient> Landon: I use that interface actually
[07:18:21] <Landon> much better than dealing with zimbra
[07:18:26] <Subsentient> I prefer it vs gmail's
[07:18:35] <Landon> I'm a manly manly cli man and use mutt
[07:18:42] * Landon sprouts a new growth of chest hair
[07:19:37] <Landon> there's some fresh evil in the microsoft world though
[07:19:51] * Konomi gives Landon's mutt mange
[07:19:54] <Landon> the arcane configuration of outlook server or whatever it is at work will _let us use Evolution to access email_ ... _once_
[07:20:05] <Landon> second time you launch evolution it triggers the server to lock your account
[07:20:17] <crutchy> ooh aeroflex seems pretty cool
[07:20:32] <Landon> it is
[07:20:39] * Subsentient is employed by Lord Gerbilius, god of the undead gerbil swarm
[07:20:44] <Landon> I was pretty salty about being stuck at a hometown company, but there's some fun stuff going on
[07:21:41] <crutchy> i gotta go back to work tomorrow. i don't hate my job, but i'm not looking forward to getting out of bed at a reasonable hour :p
[07:22:08] <Subsentient> crutchy: I get up at 1 PM usually.
[07:22:13] <Konomi> someone has got to designed those over priced houses they won't design themselves!
[07:22:26] <Konomi> design* even ;p
[07:22:44] <crutchy> nah i don't design houses
[07:22:50] <crutchy> that's an architect
[07:23:03] <Konomi> hmm I got my wires crossed then who si the architect
[07:23:35] <crutchy> hmm dunno. i design mostly industrial shit
[07:23:49] * Konomi imagines welded metal shit
[07:23:51] <crutchy> i have done the shed
[07:23:56] <crutchy> *odd shed
[07:24:08] <crutchy> yeah lot of welds and bolts etc
[07:24:08] <Konomi> premium shed window
[07:24:34] <crutchy> the bit that i mostly deal with in a shed is the frame and footings
[07:24:43] <crutchy> columns and rafters
[07:24:51] <Landon> Subsentient: is the curses game recent? :>
[07:25:04] <Konomi> does it work*
[07:25:06] * Konomi hides
[07:25:14] * Landon points to https://github.com
[07:25:15] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03lfowles/drunken-bugfixes · GitHub
[07:25:22] <Konomi> ha
[07:25:23] <Landon> ncurses freecell!
[07:25:30] <Subsentient> Landon: Yes, very recent
[07:25:31] <Landon> (in a more than half broken state)
[07:25:45] <crutchy> he's still gotta add orcs
[07:25:48] <Subsentient> Landon: I loved breakout/arkanoid since I was a little kid.
[07:25:57] <Subsentient> So I wanted an ncurses version for my slower hardware
[07:26:27] <Konomi> super mario kart in ncurses pls
[07:26:32] <Subsentient> lolll
[07:26:44] <Landon> Konomi: that would be a fun project really
[07:26:49] * Subsentient wonders how bad a racing game in ncurses would be
[07:27:09] <Konomi> cosidering the ball on your game seems to somehow dodge my paddle sometimes I would go with interesting ;p
[07:27:13] <Landon> the biggest issue is that character cells are rectangles
[07:27:20] <Landon> mess with your perceptiojn
[07:27:30] <Landon> unless you really pulled some fancy tricks
[07:27:33] <crutchy> whacky_wheels++
[07:27:33] <Bender> karma - whacky_wheels: 3
[07:27:47] <Landon> it seems like most game engines focus on the graphical bits
[07:28:01] <Landon> I couldn't find any suitable ones that would let me do that myself, but give me all the nice event queue bits and game state bits
[07:28:03] <Landon> :(
[07:29:14] <Landon> related: I don't understand this obsession with semi-ascii roguelikes
[07:29:15] <Landon> http://www.gridsagegames.com
[07:30:20] * Subsentient was reminded of bricktick and is playing it
[07:33:38] <crutchy> have you thought about doing a gdi game Subsentient?
[07:33:54] <Subsentient> crutchy: nahh. Honestly, I really like ncurses.
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[08:29:16] <crutchy> juggs, got the atom feed working for what-if
[08:32:42] <crutchy> i put exec in rss-bot, but it'll only output the what-if feed
[08:32:55] <crutchy> s/rss-bot/#rss-bot/
[08:32:56] <SedNotABot> <crutchy> i put exec in #rss-bot, but it'll only output the what-if feed
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[09:59:18] <Konomi> http://c3media.vsos.ethz.ch
[10:04:25] <crutchy> big pipecode update on github... https://github.com
[10:04:28] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03spam filter · cc837a8 · pipedot/pipecode · GitHub
[10:07:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA Explores Inflatable Heat Shield Technology - http://sylnt.us - hot-air-baloon
[10:10:01] <crutchy> nasa getting into inflatables eh?
[10:16:01] <Konomi> rubber ducky heat shield
[10:18:10] <crutchy> yyesss
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[11:03:17] <crutchy> http://soylentnews.org
[11:03:17] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN journal Spam Moderation Label 04(0 comments)
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[11:19:56] * bryan pounces on crutchy
[11:21:45] <crutchy> got your github repo being monitored in the spy channel :D
[11:22:26] <bryan> spies always have the cool gadgets
[11:23:52] <crutchy> http://logs.sylnt.us
[11:23:53] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03#github | Logs for 2015-01-04
[11:58:07] <KonomiNetbook> yay more ways to run a possible injection attack on crutchy's bot
[11:59:22] <crutchy> github?
[12:01:15] <crutchy> KonomiNetbook, you prolly the most likely to find some way to break it :p
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[12:07:23] <crutchy> there's so many little half-baked scripts that are prolly full of holes
[12:08:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - If Your Robot Buys Illegal Drugs, Have You Committed a Crime? - http://sylnt.us - will-you-avoid-prosecution-if-your-robot-buys-illegal-drugs?
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[12:28:06] <crutchy> is it just me or should xkcd have a comments section?
[12:39:24] <ar> no, it shouldn't
[12:39:44] <ar> in almost every popular place comments are shitty
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[13:47:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:47:42] <Bender> karma - coffee: 951
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[14:10:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Web Site Celebrates Fifteenth Anniversary of Y2K - http://sylnt.us - we-all-love-a-crisis
[14:12:10] <Konomi> http://www.activewirehead.com
[14:12:13] <Konomi> \o/
[14:12:13] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Internet: It's The New Heroin! - Active Wirehead
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[15:04:19] <Konomi> starting to think charity is another word for vampire
[15:08:06] <ar> depends on the charity'
[15:08:43] <ar> there's a local animal-helping charity here that i often contribute to, and they don't seem to be wasting funds
[15:09:05] <Konomi> more referring to the ones that push themselves upon people as they're walking down the mall
[15:09:15] <Konomi> or jump you like a doors salesman
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[15:14:15] <ar> oho
[15:14:27] <ar> i don't like those
[15:15:34] <nick> is a problem, there are some very worthwhile charities out there doing good work
[15:15:53] <nick> but then there are other ones that use the 'charity' label in the same way some nations use the 'democratic republic' label
[15:16:03] <Konomi> when one signs you up for montly dontatiomns instead of the one off donation you asked for you might get a little jaded ;p
[15:16:12] <Konomi> specially when the guy was so fucking insistent in the first place
[15:16:16] <Konomi> defenses prepped for next time
[15:16:28] <nick> indeed
[15:16:59] <nick> but those are the bad charities, the ones that pay based on results
[15:17:14] <Konomi> pisses me off cause I care about the chairty but when they hire people to push it I get really really annoyed
[15:17:19] <nick> i am aware that some charities outsource their collecting to agencies
[15:17:28] <Konomi> specially when i already have a social anxiety that I have to over come even in the best of times
[15:17:30] <nick> so you're getting non-charity minded people just trying to earn a living
[15:17:33] <nick> they're just working a sales job
[15:17:38] <Konomi> yep
[15:17:44] <Konomi> that's what the online opinion is
[15:17:54] <Konomi> "Don't even sign up with teh pushes seek the charity out yourself"
[15:18:01] <Konomi> pushers*
[15:18:14] <nick> always do the research
[15:18:35] <nick> and avoid the 'creating awareness' type charities
[15:18:43] * Konomi nods
[15:18:51] <Konomi> pisses me off though ;p
[15:19:12] <nick> and rightly so, it is not new and sometimes we need to be reminded of it
[15:19:53] <nick> because it's easy to donate and feel you do your part, and i suspect the worst charities are the ones that are easy to donate to
[15:19:59] <nick> running the text message campaigns, mail drops etc
[15:20:03] <Konomi> wouldn't surprise me
[15:21:39] <nick> the endless cycle of spending 50% of your funds raised, on fund raising
[15:22:11] <nick> 30% on staff and maybe 20% to the actual cause directly
[15:23:22] <nick> i'm more annoyed at the moment by large chain stores suggesting you should donate some of the food you just bought to charity within the store itself
[15:24:05] <Konomi> that is low...
[15:24:39] <nick> it's not unlike the walmart thing about encouraging their employees and customers to help out their other employees over christmas
[15:24:56] <Konomi> super low ~
[15:25:05] <Konomi> I live in au so we don't have that yet
[15:25:05] <nick> because they pay their staff shit and dont offer enough hours, the employees and customers should show some good will
[15:25:08] <Konomi> sure it's coming though
[15:25:17] <nick> mhm
[15:25:21] <Konomi> not like the person to job ratio is improving for any country
[15:25:53] <nick> i made a point earlier in the week about the problem with the current employment situation
[15:26:26] <Konomi> needs soylent green ;p
[15:26:49] <nick> trying to find it...
[15:27:02] <Konomi> http://www.incrediblethings.com
[15:27:06] <Konomi> ;p
[15:27:31] <nick> "The labour market would become extremely 'top heavy' if everyone did advance as we hope they would. More managers and consultants for the majority of industries."
[15:28:05] <Konomi> the automation is going to end the whole idea of employment in at least the next two decades or so
[15:28:09] <nick> my liberal european opinion is someone in an entry level job, earning a low wage should actually be able to support themselves from their wages
[15:28:56] <Konomi> I had a conversation with someone about it today and they were like "They wouldn't do that people need those jobs" my reply was "Yeah sure I guess you never read about what happened to manafacturing jobs"
[15:29:00] <Konomi> >.<
[15:29:23] <Konomi> all that needs to get automated more is the service industry and the transport industry
[15:29:27] <Konomi> then it is all over
[15:29:29] <nick> they've been doing it forever
[15:29:34] <Konomi> they employ a huge amount of people
[15:29:52] <nick> i have installed systems in factories over here
[15:29:52] <Konomi> automating them will push employement problems into the public sphere in a big way
[15:30:03] <nick> there are huge facilities, making various products
[15:30:06] <Konomi> yup
[15:30:08] <nick> but there is maybe 10 people actually working in them
[15:30:23] <nick> all the upstairs offices are empty, there's one manager and a handful of line workers
[15:30:43] <nick> a few decades ago there would have been a person working at every station
[15:30:46] <Konomi> yup
[15:30:50] <nick> maybe 10x the employees
[15:30:59] <Konomi> I love automation to be honest
[15:31:06] <nick> now there's 10 instead of 100, and 5 of those need state assistance to make ends meet
[15:31:10] <Konomi> it's the system we're working with that is going to need to change
[15:31:16] <nick> agreed
[15:32:19] <ar> Konomi: we need to automate more to be able to scale our civilisation
[15:32:33] <Konomi> I agree
[15:32:44] <Konomi> I worry people lack the concept of the big picture too often though
[15:32:49] <ar> Konomi: the solution to unemployment is either startrek-like employment or state provided basic income
[15:33:11] <nick> people dont look at the big picture at all generally, the have their perspective, their experiences
[15:33:14] <nick> and thats all that is valid
[15:33:50] <nick> which is fine really, but we are not all the same, we have different strengths and weaknesses
[15:34:29] <nick> too much of employment, and even automation now is actually just a waste
[15:35:05] <nick> it's much more interesting to see all the new gadgets in the new model cars coming out, or making the iphone another few grams lighter and a slimmer
[15:35:17] <nick> but thats all for us, the high end consumers
[15:36:57] <Konomi> yeah...
[15:37:37] <nick> we have enough food and resource to support the national and even global population, but there's no money or power to be gained from supplying a demands like that
[15:38:26] <nick> but if we get self-driving cars tomorrow, that will eventually trickle down and mean the people in poverty will get food security in 10 years
[15:39:15] <Konomi> personally as a lazy person (and lazy is what we've been doing for years now) I love automation ;p
[15:39:25] <nick> going to run to the store and feed the machine, shall be back shortly
[15:39:37] <Konomi> gotta throw yourself upon it's gears!
[15:39:41] <nick> automation just means we expect more to be done
[15:39:50] <nick> because something is automated, now we have time to do something else which isnt
[15:40:03] <nick> but the day the automation fails, we fail because not everything has been done that should have been
[15:40:04] <Konomi> I like machines they're more pleasent than humans ;p
[15:40:26] <nick> getting power tools didnt make life easier for construction workers in many ways
[15:40:38] <nick> it just meant you had to accomplish 4x as much in one day
[15:40:42] <nick> brb
[15:40:42] <ciri> ok nick
[15:40:47] <Konomi> yeah
[15:40:52] <Konomi> the productivity still went up
[15:41:04] <Konomi> but they were expected to do more by their employers
[15:41:10] <Konomi> but that's nothing to do with the tech ;p
[15:58:51] <nick> of course, the tech in itself makes no difference
[15:59:01] <nick> but the society we are in, which encourages the tech to be created
[15:59:08] <Konomi> trying this sleep thing again damn australian summers -.-
[15:59:21] <nick> is not about making lives easier, it's about increasing what we can do in a day
[15:59:37] <nick> and if we can do it, we should do it
[15:59:55] <nick> sleep is important, but does not help the economy, which is more important!
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[17:39:15] <Leebert> You know, that Oatmeal article about restaurant websites (http://theoatmeal.com/comics/restaurant_website) goes entirely well for church websites, too.
[17:39:15] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03What I want from a restaurant website - The Oatmeal
[17:39:32] <Leebert> Specifically, it is unreal how difficult it is sometimes just to get a schedule of services from a church website.
[17:40:01] <Leebert> But man the amount of flash slideshows which make me recognize that they're "relevant". Sigh.
[17:49:39] <Landon> just a friendly reminder to go watch games done quick :)
[17:49:43] <Landon> http://www.twitch.tv
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